Did Kate Inspire Octuplets?

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Are there not TV “reality” shows depicting the intimate details of the lives of men, women and children for the entire world to ogle; including the enormously popular “Jon & Kate Plus 8” reality show on TLC? This thrice weekly program follows the daily routine of a family with eight small children. If Jon and Kate and their children are being made rich as a result of the shameless exploitation of their personal lives, why should an even more shameless unwed mother of 14 not be permitted to cash in? Is she not “entitled” to be rewarded for her efforts? Wouldn’t this be only “fair” in light of what she’s gone through?

Full Atlanta article is here.

Thank you, Laura.

120 comments:

it takes a village to raise a child said...

Yes, I believe it is disgraceful for anyone (men included!!) to have children that they cannot take care of (financially, emotionally and spiritually); knowingly or otherwise. However, as a society, shouldn't our first priority be the physical health and well-being of these new beautiful bundles of joy? IMHO, the babies are what are (most) important, not the mother's personal life. According to the reports, I understand they are doing well; which in and of itself is a miracle. And frankly, even if the babies did have medical issues would that make their life any less precious and miraculous? (I hope not.) For now at least, shouldn't that be reason enough to celebrate because all life is beautiful and precious. Please know that I am not speaking from a pro-life or pro-choice stance whatsoever, nor am I speaking from any religious-motivated opinion either. The mother may be shameless (and she may not be, I do not know) but I cannot judge her because I am far from perfect. I can only show her compassion and treat her the way that I would wish to be treated. I hope no one is offended by this post and just for the record I have been called a great many things by a great many people, except a fan of Jon and Kate.

jodifur said...

The link isn't working.

I called this a while ago. When the octuplet story first broke, I said, this woman wants to be just like Jon & Kate, and now she has hired a publicist and is shopping a reality show.

Those poor children.

Serena said...

The link isn't working.

It's been fixed now, thanks for letting us know.

However, as a society, shouldn't our first priority be the physical health and well-being of these new beautiful bundles of joy?

If nothing else, I don't doubt they are receiving and will continue to receive excellent custodial care. I'm sure the mother won't want to jeopardize the health of her meal tickets. (I hear organic is the way to ensure that they thrive and will be able to endure working long hours under industrial lighting.)

For now at least, shouldn't that be reason enough to celebrate because all life is beautiful and precious.

You're preaching to the choir here. Now if only the mother could cherish them for the same reason rather than for what they can do for her.

Too Funny said...

I think there are clear differences between the two families. They are definitely not alike. For one, this women lives with her parents, doesn't have a job, doesn't have a husband, already had 6 kids, purposely had 8 embryos implanted at once, and is demanding money before she will even speak to anyone.

As for Jon & Kate...... they both had jobs, had their own place, and were married, had a different proceedure done than the other women in order to get pregnant (didn't intend to have so many at once), and never expected or demanded money. People of their area just naturally felt the need to help and did so. But it isn't like they said "We aren't talking unless someone gives us a TV show, book deal, money, etc." like this other woman is doing. They also didn't seek out the show. The show came to/was offered to them.

Clear differences.

To blame Jon & Kate for what this woman did is wrong. That's no better or different than when someone blames a song, a video game, or a movie as the reason why they murdered another person(s). It's wrong! People need to be held accountable for their OWN actions. Not blame others.

zoey said...

Kate has set a trend by having her t.v show and that trend unfortunately is irresponsible breeding.
If there is such an extensive research for people wishing to adopt, then i think they should set some standards for folks who seek fertility treatments.
specifically, in the case of people seeking fertility treatments when they are Not INFERTILE... isnt this supposed to be the reason for fertility treatments anyway. They should stop doing it on people who do not have issues conceiving

dz said...

Just the other day TLC re-ran a ask the Gosselin's show where one of the emails was from someone who wanted to know how to have sextuplets...I immediately wondered if it was the California woman! Not that it was, but it was a crazy question that Kate did acknowledge as such.

Kate Feels Like Oprah said...

Wow, here are a couple of video clips of Kate living it up at a recent speaking engagement. She said she feels like Oprah when she waves the applauding crowd to have a seat. I can't believe the fanfare...ugh! She explains in the second video why she and Jon travel separately now, and because she has the "gift of gab", she gets voted to speak the most.

Talk about glamorizing being a mother of multiples!

http://desireevanessen.blogspot.com/2009/01/i-saw-kate-gosselin.html

Laughing at Kate said...

I think the Octuplet woman already wanted a lot of kids but Kate Gosselin inspired her to be greedy and make money out of her children. Did she not hire a publicist too and is demanding two million to appear in Oprah?

I wonder if Kate is upset she did not ask for two million dollars when she first appeared in Oprah?!

I don't understand why the TLC shows are getting more and more ridiculous and disturbing. They have the show with the pregnant man (can we be clear on this, she was originally a WOMAN, she just had a sex change so this is no big deal), and then more child exploitation with the toddlers and tiaras. I guess TLC reads this blog too. More talk, more ads, more money for them!!!

When I first saw Jon and Kate plus 8, they had these silly fights which I thought were cute and that I could relate to. I told my hubby I wanted to have twins, too, probably not sextuplets but I wouldn't mind more than one baby at a time... then Jon and Kate's silly arguments become more one sided, then Kate started not caring anymore even if she hit Jon in front of the camera, free stuffs and trips galore.

I am not saying that the Octuplet woman is stupid, I am sure she has her own reasons why she chose to have fourteen kids, but there are many uninformed people out there who think they could do better than her and even Jon and Kate and the Duggars, and they know that all they have to do is be able to hold as much kids on their bellies for nine months, and voila, free stuffs, free trips, a talk with Oprah, instant fame?!

Not care anymore about Jon and Kate, I am not going to watch TLC anymore. I am SICK OF FREAKS!!!

KONcerned in Chi said...

Here is an article from the 2/5 Chicago Sun-Times on this....
Parents of multiples turn baby pics into big ratings :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Lifestyles

crazysillycool said...

I Think the draw is that these women are banking on other woman following in love with their children. Kate has said numerous times that people love her children. She uses their cuteness and other peoples love for her children as away to make money.
Same with this octuplet lady. People may not agree with her lifestyle, but once women see those tiny cute little babies, people will start to send her freebies.
You can not like the mom's in each situation, but like or not people are going to continue to support these families financially, because who in their right mind wouldn't love a child?

MomOf3AndLovingIt said...

As for Jon & Kate...... they both had jobs, had their own place, and were married, had a different proceedure done than the other women in order to get pregnant (didn't intend to have so many at once), and never expected or demanded money. People of their area just naturally felt the need to help and did so. But it isn't like they said "We aren't talking unless someone gives us a TV show, book deal, money, etc." like this other woman is doing. They also didn't seek out the show. The show came to/was offered to them.
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I respectfully disagree with you on some of these points...
I am not at all familiar with the procedure they had done, but it sounds extremely suspicious by numerous things I have read. I think Kate Gosselin very much wanted another set of multiples and made sure that she got them.
The job situation, did Jon or did he not just stop going to work? Who can and would do that? My first child was in the NICU for over a month after she was born and my husband still went to work every day...he had no choice. No one was going to pay our bills for us.
Kate did DEMAND that the state continue paying for a nurse. For perfectly healthy children. Furthermore she is quoted as saying that society had a responsibility to pay for her children! I'm sorry, but that sounds pretty darned demanding to me. There are also the items that were on their wish list or whatever on their website, I mean come on...that is asking! I don't think they just tossed that out there for fun.
And has it ever been disproved that Kate did not go looking for a sweet tv deal? I would bet my coupon caddy that she did, she's not booksmart, has atrocious grammar, but she knows how to get what she wants...I'll give the woman that.

2badsosad said...

I think there are clear differences between the two families. They are definitely not alike. For one, this women lives with her parents, doesn't have a job, doesn't have a husband, already had 6 kids, purposely had 8 embryos implanted at once, and is demanding money before she will even speak to anyone.

As for Jon & Kate...... they both had jobs, had their own place, and were married, had a different proceedure done than the other women in order to get pregnant (didn't intend to have so many at once), and never expected or demanded money. People of their area just naturally felt the need to help and did so. But it isn't like they said "We aren't talking unless someone gives us a TV show, book deal, money, etc." like this other woman is doing. They also didn't seek out the show. The show came to/was offered to them.

Clear differences.

If I am to understand the above 'differences' correctly, the mother of octuplets does NOT meet the 'acceptable' criteria as set forth by J & K Gosselin to sell her 'amazing story' and EXPLOIT her children.
The 'acceptable' criteria is as follows:

Man and woman must be married.
Both must have jobs.
Must have their own 'place'.
The resulting multiple births cannot be 'intentional', despite the use of medical/science technology to conceive. Nor can the mother 'purposely' have an 'unreasonable' number of prior children.
You must FIRST provide society with a media introduction, complete with film footage and photographs of your 'story' & children and the community must be 'naturally' willing to help BEFORE you expect and demand monetary compensation in exhange for tv interviews, book deal, reality tv show etc.

Carolina said...

I really believe that we'll be seeing more and more of this crap now that people are terrified of the economy. People are starting to look as kids as dollar signs, and maybe while that wasn't the intent of the Gosselins, Duggars, Roloffs, etc, they ARE in the public eye and WILL inspire a lot of crazies. Maybe if they showed more of the struggles and less of the perks, it wouldn't be so bad.

Virginia said...

When Bob Barr was in the government sphere, I could not stand the sight of him or anything he said.

Now I find myself in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with him that the Kons have become rich by exploiting their children and others will follow suit for the money. It is and always was a sad state of affairs.

Someone made the point that the differences in the two situations were that Kon was married and had jobs and this woman was not and did not. Kon had jobs, such as they were, for a very short period of time. If you check the record I think you will find that very little of what they have was earned by the sweat of their brows. Most was given by Jon's dad, donated by other people, companies and bought and sold to the highest bidder (TLC) in the form of pictures of every aspect of their kids' lives including, but not limited to, pictures of them without clothes, sick, having tantrums, etc..

So, Bob, I owe you an apology and here it is.

Completely Unethica said...

I think the families are alike. Both are trying and seem to be succeeding, living off their kids. Its wrong. The octuplet mom wants to sell her story how is that any different than Kate's?
I also think it was wrong of the doctor to implant 8 embryos. Especially in a woman who has no job, filled for bankruptcy and already has 6 children.
Not only is it not fair for the 8 babies but what about the 6 she already had? There is no possible way that 1 mom can provide for 14 children. She doesn't have the finances, she doesn't have a home, and it bothers me that she doesn't have a husband. I understand that its her decision but it doesn't seem like she made the best choices for her children.
Its not right that society now has to raise these kids. And they are, money has been donated, clothing donated, food donated, and who knows what else.
Its unethical and wrong and if I lived in CA I would not help support her children. I have my own I don't need to help raise hers.

Too Funny said...

Momof3andlovingit.........Just because you are "suspicious" of what you read about Kate's procedure does not make what you read fact.

As for Jon's Job, the point is they BOTH had jobs (unlike this other woman) when they decided to get pregnant again. The fact that Jon LOST his job near the end of her pregnancy does NOT mean it was his fault or that he quit. He did NOT quit.

As for Kate asking for the nurse, and? Who cares? That is far different than demanding a book, movie, TV shows, deal like this other woman is doing.

As for the wish list, at that point in time they had already been getting items from those in their community. They were asked what things they needed still and thus made the list. Why is that wrong? They were asked and so they told everyone.

And for them getting the show, THEY were APPROACHED by Figure 8. Both the Gosselins and the producer have said so on numerous occasions.

julia said...

I've been buried nose deep in this blog for about two days now and, being from Australia, I'm glad I'm not the only person noticing from afar what a disgusting setup has been created in the Gosselin house since their TLC deal.

As far as Nadya Suleman taking her super-reproductive cues from Kate goes, it really is anyone's guess; although you couldn't possibly have a better role model for nicely dressed, God-wrapped, I'm-just-an-every-day-mum exploitation procedures. However, I can't help but think that Ms Suleman, despite the obvious questionable choices she's made just having these babies, is far less malignant than Kate. At least this woman is up front about her publicity stunt mentality and who knows - maybe if she gets paid off now, those babies (and the other brood she has waiting at home) will at least be afforded the privacy to grow up sans cameras.

As far as "Jon & Kate + 8" goes, I really don't know where to start. I think what can sometimes be lost in the, albeit deservingly, hostile opinion of Kate's bullying, semi-narcissistic personality is the real crime of what has eventuated from this show.

Back when this show was just a special, a glimpse in the lives of an odd family that - let's face it - everyone was curious about, it was exactly that. A glimpse. I highly imagine the one hour special that started this media machine really impacted the lives of the Gosselins in any real way.

It's the fact that this show has taken over that causes the real concern for these kids. Unlike shows like Little People, Big World et al, J&K+8 is no longer observational, it is directional. Their lives (and J & K's 'professions') have been completely inverted because of their TLC affiliation. Speaking tours, book tours and guest spots are now this "stay at home mum"'s career... and Jon has given up IT to spend two hours a day in the gym while TLC supplied nannies and crew supervise these seemingly neglected children.

Not to mention things like showing potty training - half naked children - to millions upon millions of people world wide?

I do believe that Jon and Kate never started with the intention of profiteering from these children; that the beginning of this was genuinely about a little glimpse into a 'day in the life', but it is obviously very clear that their agendas have changed.

As for what should be done - I can't say that the hostility to Jon and Kate (while I understand it, and share it too) will achieve much. Surely something needs to be done for the safety and emotional well-being of these kids? Surely someone should call - and keep calling - some kind of protective authority? Surely there should be some kind of investigation?

It's pretty clear that without people like Aunt Jodi around these kids, they have no one meeting or even advocating their right to emotional and mental health.

MomOf3AndLovingIt said...

Thanks for the link to the Chicago Sun KONcerned in Chi...I read this and thought "Thank God for small favors"!

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After some medical mumbo-jumbo about the differences in which the two mothers conceived multiple births, Kate goes on to vow, "I can honestly say that I will never have another child"

Too Funny said...

2badsosad....everything you said is just silly. My point on the two situations is that, everyone is acting like the Gosselins had their kids on purpose in order to demand things from the public. People also act like it is their fault that this other woman decided to have 14 kids. None of that makes sense.

My point of pointing out that the G's worked, had their own place, were married, etc. was simply to show how THEY were obviously prepared to take care of their own kids. Kate wasn't like this woman who just decided to irresponsibly sit back and have tons of kids that, no doubt, the state will eventually have to take care of. Unless, of course, she continues to use them as a bargaining chip for a show or book deal. If you cannot see the differences that's on you. People who dislike them will see what they want to see anyway. No one can reason with them.

Natalie said...

Kate says they have not glamourized their life of having multiples by being on tv.

Then how do you explain going from hard times, to..........

* free tummy tuck, new outfit hair and makeup

* free hairplugs

* free trip to Disney World / Animal Kingdom / Destin Fl. Beach trip

* Free 2 week trip to N.Carolina in a fabulous beach house

* Free ski trip to Utah is an uber-fabulous mansion w/ spa treatment and luxury dining

* Free ultra fabulous trip to San Diego and Hawaii w/ accompanying free vow renewal ceremony festivities

* Free trip to California national forest

* Free baby care items,juice,etc.

* Free toys

* Free clothes

* Monthly spa treatments

* Free Limousine bus service and airfare to all TLC sponsored destinations and speaking enagagements.

* Enourmous speaking enagagment fees w/ additional love offering donations.

* Free day trips to: American Girl, Crayola Factory, Chocolate World, Strasburg Railroad, Legoland, rollerblade rink, Bounce-U, reptile place, Hands-On-House, organic farm, Creationism play, golf, etc.

* Raking in enough dough from the show to: hire a PR firm, purchase a larger than necessary mansion, hire a stylist, etc.

* Glamourous photo spreads for: Goodhousekeeping magazine, TLC, People Magazine, etc.

* Hired as spokespeople for Microsoft ( Jon ), P&G, Kmart Layaway and Brown Bag Lunch Campaign ( Kate ).

* On just about every talk show: Oprah, Ellen, Morning Show w/ Mike & Juliette, Dr. Phil, Today Show, Good Morning America, Martha Stewart, Fox & Friends, Larry King Live, CSB Early Show


Yeah, your right Kate. You have not glamourized having multiples and all the wealth and fame they can bring. What was I thinking. Shame on me for jumping to conclusions and being judgemental.

ThreeFarmers said...

Kate has such a selfish streak. To be able to parent so many children the parents have to leave themselves completely open to all their needs. I believe that this is why Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar have been successful (so far) at rearing their brood. You have to be open enough to your children's needs to be there for them whether it be in the middle of the night or during some important function. You have to unconditionally understand that from the moment you signed on to raise those children, your needs (or in Kate's case, wants) are subordinate.

Kate has so many of her own needs that she puts first under the guise of "making her a better Mommy." Spas, haircuts, bedroom with no children allowed, that she has made it quite clear that her role as Mommy has limits.

Poor kids.

Don't See the Draw said...

I just watched the video of Kate speaking. People are so stupid! They HAVE to have people to worship, ogle and look up to. Kate happens to be on tv. It seems like anyone who appears on tv these days gets elevated to adoration no matter why they're on tv. I bet if a picture of someone were just routinely shown on tv, not even saying or doing anything people would be clammering to see this person, to talk to this person. The tv person would have a huge following. Some people are no smarter than insects going after a light.

MomOf3AndLovingIt said...

Well Too Funny, I will have my opinion about them, you will have yours.
To stop showing up to work is a sure fire way to lose your job, at least in the real world.
To turn down donations because they are not matching or the brand you want is selfish and rude. I guess the phrase "Beggars can't be choosers" never applied to the Gosselins.
Demanding that the state and taxpayers pay for a nurse when it is not NECESSARY is beyond the pale. Do you enjoy paying taxes for unnecessary expenses?
So much of what they have done is beyond my comprehension. I was raised to take responsibility for my actions.

ThreeFarmers said...

I fully agree that Kate is addicted to the fanfare she gets at these speaking in engagements.

Seriously, at what other stages of her life could a woman like Kate have people lining up to listen to her. Must be fulfilling a huge fantasy for her.

Its A Good Thing said...

Too Funny said...
Momof3andlovingit.........Just because you are "suspicious" of what you read about Kate's procedure does not make what you read fact.

As for Jon's Job, the point is they BOTH had jobs (unlike this other woman) when they decided to get pregnant again. The fact that Jon LOST his job near the end of her pregnancy does NOT mean it was his fault or that he quit. He did NOT quit.

As for Kate asking for the nurse, and? Who cares? That is far different than demanding a book, movie, TV shows, deal like this other woman is doing.

As for the wish list, at that point in time they had already been getting items from those in their community. They were asked what things they needed still and thus made the list. Why is that wrong? They were asked and so they told everyone.

And for them getting the show, THEY were APPROACHED by Figure 8. Both the Gosselins and the producer have said so on numerous occasions.

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Yes they both had jobs and I completely understand that Kate quite. Jon on the other had just can't seem to hold a job, he isn't employed right now either. Unless you count "making his children marketable".

Its not that Kate asked for the nurse, Kate demanded that society help may for her children because society condones fertility treatments. That was wrong, especially since she turned away all the volunteers.

I don't think it was right for them to make a wish list. And the wish list wasn't just for their community. They had a van on the list. They expected people to donate LONG before Kate even had the babies. Also I think Kate accepted more than she should have, especially once she started demanding new and matched items at her fathers church.

They may have been approached by Figure 8 but only because Jon and Kate put their story out there. They wrote letters to the media and I have no doubt that they did it for the money.

Bottom line is they have sold their children's lives to the highest bidder and its the kids who are paying the price. They have had no privacy, they are seeking out attention from their parents by acting out. Jon and Kate are exploiting their children for financial gain and 15 minutes of fame.

Virginia said...

Not true. Jon said the state fired him because of the increase in liability for his medical insurance. That is just not true. In fact, that would be illegal.

And then Jon supposedly worked for Bob. We know that if that was true at all, it was very short-lived.

Nancy said...

I feel compelled to comment that while Nadya is not married now, she WAS married and is now divorced.

While I don't think Kate inspired Nadya to have the octuplets, I think Kate might have been a factor in Nadya looking to sell her story and the babies' pictures.

Tess H. said...

Laughing at Kate said...
I think the Octuplet woman already wanted a lot of kids but Kate Gosselin inspired her to be greedy and make money out of her children.

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I agree with the first part of your sentence; not sure about the second part. This woman already had 6 children with only 1 set of multiples (twins) over the past 7 or so years. Did she set out in the beginning to try for HOM (something she obviously wasn't successful at until at least the 7th time - not sure if she ever had any miscarriages) or did she truly just want lots of children (one at a time)? Did she as of late (last couple of years) start to think maybe she could make a life for herself just like the Gosselins have if she could just 'hit the jackpot' and birth HOMs or did it just happen and now she plans to capitalize on it? I kind of think that in the beginning she may have just wanted lots of children. I don't really know what to think regarding the birth of the 8. It is very possible that she saw what the Gosselins have done for themselves by marketing their children. If that is not the case here, I would be willing to bet there are a few people somewhere thinking of it.

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Too Funny said...
To blame Jon & Kate for what this woman did is wrong. That's no better or different than when someone blames a song, a video game, or a movie as the reason why they murdered another person(s). It's wrong! People need to be held accountable for their OWN actions. Not blame others.

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I don't think the California mom has put any blame anywhere. Maybe she is accepting full responsibility and accountability for the result (whether it was planned or not). As people hear of this story, some blame the Gosselins, TLC, etc.; some don't. There certainly is discussion and possibly even changes that a situation such as this brings about. It's not unlike so many other things in life where we evolve hopefully for the better.

Maybe there will be an awakening regarding fertility/infertility; maybe doctors will be required to practice differently; maybe fertility drugs won't be easy to obtain; maybe corporations and parents will cease to use children as a source of income; and on and on.

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Too Funny said...
I think there are clear differences between the two families. They are definitely not alike. For one, this women lives with her parents, doesn't have a job, doesn't have a husband, already had 6 kids, purposely had 8 embryos implanted at once, and is demanding money before she will even speak to anyone.

As for Jon & Kate...... they both had jobs, had their own place, and were married, had a different proceedure done than the other women in order to get pregnant (didn't intend to have so many at once), and never expected or demanded money. People of their area just naturally felt the need to help and did so. But it isn't like they said "We aren't talking unless someone gives us a TV show, book deal, money, etc." like this other woman is doing. They also didn't seek out the show. The show came to/was offered to them.

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I think there is some evolutionary things here as well. I'm not sure of the exact details but I think the McCaughey family were publicized upon the birth or impending birth of their multiples. I think the Gosselins were as well but also they started a website possibly before the babies were born. The Gosselins were subjects of a special within 2 years of the babies birth and the rest is history. The California mom received publicity just like the others upon the birth of her babies. So, now the newest evolutionary aspect is that the California mom is receiving and/or asking (not sure which) for media dollars very soon after the birth. If the evolution continues without reform, what can possibly happen the next time? Will some sicko media company seek to market not just the aftermath of pregnancy and the raising of children in the limelight but the actual pregnancy or even fertility aspects? I read just yesterday that Angie Everhart (actress/model) is pregnant and 'shopping around' her reality show that will chronicle the pregnancy and probably beyond.

And as for the Gosselins not seeking anything. Have you seen the first special? I think it was in it that Kate is shown taping a home video and then just as she is turning it off, she says something like 'I hope you enjoyed our show.'. Like others have said and I say now - 'Who says that in their home videos?'. I think Kate Gosselin is not dumb. I think she is a whole lot more crafty than some people see or wish to see.

whistlingdixiee said...

If you think that octuplet mom was not influenced greatly by KON's circus sideshow---then you are being very naive. It's clear that she has sick obsession with children that predates KON's show...but to seek out and then be implanted with eight eggs tells me she had a plan.

Wanda said...

"Carolina said...

...People are starting to look as kids as dollar signs, and maybe while that wasn't the intent of the Gosselins, Duggars, Roloffs, etc, they ARE in the public eye and WILL inspire a lot of crazies."

Just wondering what the Roloffs are doing to inspire crazies? It's not like someone can run out and get pregnant with a dwarf so that they can get a "reality" show with TLC.

MomOf3AndLovingIt said...

I'm a little saddened that the one link to the Chicago Sun article says that the family with the two sets of twins and sextuplets is getting their own show...called "12 Around The Table". I was hoping they would stick with specials...

Parsley said...

People who dislike them will see what they want to see anyway. No one can reason with them.

Just as people who think the Gosselins are great will never want to see the wrong that they do? No one can reason with them either. :)

Jen K said...

This is a quote from an interview Kate did with CBN.com:

I made a link here:
http://tinyurl.com/bygt9z

"“Did you ever read that stress chart? Pretty much, honestly, every one on there: a move or two, birth of six babies - not just one, Jon’s dad passed away; he was our most involved grandparent. That was a big blow. Jon was unemployed this entire time; couldn’t pay our bills, tougher - I mean, he stood in line at the Salvation Army for heating assistance; a lot of guilt because we couldn’t afford two kids, let alone eight. Were we the right choice for this?” "

I think there are more similarities than differences between the two situations.

berkscounty said...

I think it's irresponsible to believe that the Gosselin circus was not somewhat to blame for Nadya Suleman's decision. But the two greed mongers from Southeast PA are not the only guilty party. We should also blame TLC and their propensity for child exploitation. We should blame the media for their obsessive compulsion towards exploitation of any kind. We should blame the braindead sheeples. Who have not minds of their own and feel affection for Kate because it justifies their own bad behaviors. We should blame coporations, who think that they will sell greater amounts of their products if they give freebies to reproductively irresponsible. And maybe a little of the blame lies with us too. We watch or watched this show. We all care enough to continue to read and post about it. Please realize I'm not criticizing us, I'm just making a point. My point, is that they way things are in the world right now, Nadya Suleman was inevitable. A lot of us said we are going to stop watching The Kon Show. To those of you I give kudos. I wish I was more disciplined. I do still watch on occasion. I reside in the same county as Kon, and that makes escaping the Gosselin Circus pretty tough. I feel as each new episode comes to pass instead of watching 8 cute kids sort out their days. I'm watching the begining chapters of a tragedy. I guess the best thing I can do to help keep more Nadya Suleman's from emerging is turn the channel.

Harriet said...

All of the TV shows using their children to make money are pretty disgraceful. On most of them though they aren't pumping out episodes at the clip that Jon and Kate are so the kids get a break. They allow the different children not to be on camera, but until recently that was pretty much unheard of with Jon and Kate. They seem to be the worst example of the genre.

Do I think the woman in California saw that and thought she could cash in? I think there had to have been at least the glimmer of the idea. That TV shows are now being offered to more and more parents of six is probably not a good a thing. Just in the last year we saw the ones in Alabama, the ones in NJ, and the ones in Arizona I think it was on TV. That is glorifying treatment gone horribly wrong. The Gosselins are front and center because they have taken the most advantage of the situation so far.

Waterkate said...

The difference is that this woman had to decide whether to destroy these embryos or not....and, I imagine that might be a very difficult decision. It is not that I am agreeing with what she did, but I can see how someone might not want to destroy or adopt out their fertilized embryos, especially after giving birth from the same process... From everything I read, it seems like Kate knew exactly what she was doing when she got pregnant with the tups - she knew she was in an "over active" state and I am sure she was warned....and, what's worse, living with your parents - or not maintaining a single connection with any of your parents or friends????? I think Kate is just plain SCARY!!!!! And, who knows what type of people she is influencing??? I mean, come on, one of her speaking engagements was about packing lunches - and anyone who has watched the show knows Jon does EVERYTHING, and always packs the twins lunches before Kate even hauls her fanny out of bed!!!!

Luey said...

I agree with the article for the most part, but I have to strenuously object to the part which compares this "freak show" to the traveling exhibits of dissected human bodies. As someone who studies human remains in archaeological sites, I know what a learning tool these types of exhibits are. The human body is a beautiful, fascinating experience. Our inner workings shouldn't be hidden away in shame - "gross" is a relative term.

It was incredibly insulting to me that a scientific exhibit was compared to the calculated exploitation of KON.

emptynester said...

Too Funny said
"As for Kate asking for the nurse, and? Who cares? That is far different than demanding a book, movie, TV shows, deal like this other woman is doing."

Who cares? Are you serious? How about the taxpayers of the State of PA, that's who.

Glamour not Responsible said...

The G's glamorized HOM. But, I do not think they are responsible for Suleman's poor choice.

Parsley said...

I see it as exploitation is exploitation. Whether it's trying to get another year of free nursing, free diapers, or a book deal. It's all making money off their kids and to me that is wrong. We all need to be reminded of the Dionne quintuplets and how being exploited damaged their lives. Won't these other kids be exposed to the same kinds of problems?

http://www.canada.com/news/national/danger+commodifying+children/1248706/story.html

Marissa said...

Isn't it ironic that Kate has been giving interviews to everyone under the sun about the birth of the octuplets and has been offering her advice to the mom, while judging the mom's situation...isn't that exactly what she and Jon claim was upsetting to them, i.e. that people were judging them and offering them unsolicited advice on how to be parents. I remember Kate making a comment that it wasn't right that people judge them unless they walk exactly in their shoes. So wouldn't that mean that Kate couldn't presume to know what it's like to have 6 kids and then birth octuplets. She is doing to the octoplet mom exactly what she said she didn't want done to her.

Jacqueline K. said...

I read somewhere that TLC is checking into the possibility of doing a special on this woman, but 'are waiting to see the public reaction, AND the marketability' of the other kids... SICK.

Something tells me that none of them have the all important Q factor.

I can't think of anything further to ad that hasn't been said before.

blamingoftheshrew said...

Here is another good article in the Chicago Sun-Times by Kara Spak which addresses the "New cash crop:kids". It discusses several families with multiples including the Gosselins:

"Thanks to intrauterine insemination, Jon and Kate Gosselin are the parents of 8-year-old twins and 4-year-old sextuplets. America watches bossy Kate and pushover Jon wrangle their eight little ones weekly on "Jon & Kate Plus 8." A recent episode featuring the children as they toured their spacious new home was a record breaker for TLC ratings.

Since the show started, the sextuplets potty trained for the camera, the twins started school and their parents received a free tummy tuck (Kate), free hair plugs (Jon) and free teeth whitening (both). The entire family has been treated to vacations at a Utah ski resort and a Hawaiian luxury hotel.

The Internet is home to some serious Gosselin backlash, with bloggers claiming Jon and Kate are cashing in big time on their children's childhood. But that hasn't stopped the Gosselins' book Multiple Blessings from just celebrating 14 weeks on the New York Times best seller list."

The link follows:

http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/1414096,CST-FTR-births05.article

livinlavida said...

I think these women are in for a big surprise.

It's not just having a bunch of children that get you a tv show. You have to have something else to make it interesting.

With Jon and Kate is was "new" seeing this family with sextuplets. Jon and Kate are a good looking(in many peoples opinion) and they kids are cute. Jon and Kate's relationship also attracks viewers and makes them interesting.

What happened to the other sextuplet family from NJ? They did what two shows? The parents we not cute, the kids we not cute. They didn't have any personality...

Bottom line is....these women trying to cash in on their children are in for it. I doubt ANY will attain J&K's level.

Jen K said...

As for Kate asking for the nurse, and? Who cares? That is far different than demanding a book, movie, TV shows, deal like this other woman is doing.


Tell that to the family with an ill or disabled child who would have been screwed out of a nurse because she was over at Kate's house making her life easier.

I can't even believe that anyone would suggest that their perfectly healthy children are more important than some sick or disabled child! She wanted the nurse because she would make her life easier. Guess what Kate? A nanny would make your life easier, but oh wait....then you would have to do what everyone else has to do and either go back to work or watch your kids yourself. How awful!

Her sense of entitlement above others has no bounds. She's shameful. That was the moment, when I read the article about the nurse, that I knew there was something wrong with this situation. That's when my attitude as someone who liked the show completely changed.

Tess H. said...

I want to commend everyone for such intelligent discussion on this topic.

When people complain that this board is just about griping and hatred, just take a look at this discussion. Sure there are some posts (mostly on the topic of episodes of the show or publicity appearances) that are just as much venting as it is enlightening. When people feel passionately about something they will both vent but more importantly they will add wonderful insight and thoughts to the topic.

Now why on earth can't someone in a position to really highlight the problem and bring about change, do so. The guests on Larry King the other night just sat there and said basically we just don't know or we can't judge. Maybe they don't know all of the facts yet but don't they know enough to see the crux of the problem? Maybe they can't judge and hand down a verdict yet but can't they give their expert opinion or insight that might just might bring about change for the better?

Dunwoody Mom said...

You gotta laugh at the sheeple - defending Kate to the end, but bashing the octuplet mom.

Priceless.........

eightbitgirl said...

I mentioned the Roloffs because of the prospect of a reality show, not because I expect a mad dash to pick up little people at bars. Sorry for the confusion! ;)

Carolina said...

Crap, the Roloff comment was supposed to come from anonyme.

Jacqueline Killebrew said...

I just had a thought- A scary one, at that. Okay, so this woman hires a Rep to field offers, etc. Part of this Rep's job is spin it, and try to get into the media, and masses, good graces.

What if, the 'story', is spin doctored into something like this?

The woman, was 'planning' on using the last crop of eggs, and adopting them out to infertile couples, out of the goodness of her heart, but, after the 'trama' and 'bonding', she can't bring herself to do it?

Think about it- that would probably be the only thing that would steer this goat ropin' around in her favor.

I hope I'm way off about this. (If I'm right- then I'm quitting my day job, and going directly to LA to become a screenplay writer. or, a Media Rep myself.)

I hope I didn't just give her Rep's the idea of how to spin this. If this does become 'the story', Moderators PLEASE bring this to the attention of the media!(with today's date, of course!) lol...

Anyone else out there think this could happen?

NoWannabe said...

Don't See the Draw said...
I just watched the video of Kate speaking. People are so stupid! They HAVE to have people to worship, ogle and look up to. Kate happens to be on tv. It seems like anyone who appears on tv these days gets elevated to adoration no matter why they're on tv. I bet if a picture of someone were just routinely shown on tv, not even saying or doing anything people would be clammering to see this person, to talk to this person. The tv person would have a huge following. Some people are no smarter than insects going after a light.

You are so right! We seem to have become a nation of voyeurs, seeking to fill some void in our lives by watching the lives of others, and then giving them "star" status because they're on TV. Then because of TV exposure, they become "media celebrities", so we watch even more.

Something's not right here (IMHO).

Melissa P. Gentry said...

People need to be held accountable for their OWN actions. Not blame others.



You got that right and it is about time Jon and Kate took responsibility for theirs, quit riding off the coattails of their little ones and get their children off of national television so they can live a normal life.

IMHO, they are NO different than the CA woman. Their claim to fame of just having one more is pure BS!

Tess H. said...

I just had a thought related to my last post in regards to why the problem unfolding before our eyes isn't getting more attention.

While I don't know a lot about the issue of steroid use, why did Congress take it upon themselves to hold so many hearings about this? Was steroid use illegal or just not a good thing? Is it because baseball is so sacred and such a part of this country's fabric?

Well, shouldn't children be the most sacred? I know it has also become so American to sell out anything and everything but shouldn't it begin to change when children are being sold in this new way?

timetogokon said...

And has it ever been disproved that Kate did not go looking for a sweet tv deal? I would bet my coupon caddy that she did, she's not booksmart, has atrocious grammar, but she knows how to get what she wants...I'll give the woman that.

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If you watch the very first special, it ends with Kate saying something like " here's are life, it's not glamorous, thanks for watching !!" Seems to me like it was definitely a "promo" video .

2badsosad said...

My point of pointing out that the G's worked, had their own place, were married, etc. was simply to show how THEY were obviously prepared to take care of their own kids. Kate wasn't like this woman who just decided to irresponsibly sit back and have tons of kids that, no doubt, the state will eventually have to take care of. Unless, of course, she continues to a bargaining chip for a show or book deal If you cannot see the differences that's on you. People who dislike them will see what they want to see anyway. No one can reason with them.

2/05/2009 7:08 AM

J & K WERE NOT prepared to take care of their own 'children', they were prepared to accomodate Kate's desire to HAVE JUST ONE MORE! J & K DID rely on the State of PA taxpayers, and went so far as to appeal the State of PA's refusal to provide the tups with a full time nurse. J & K have also publicly stated that post the tups birth they were 'lucky to have a roof over their head and food on the table' and Jon had to stand in line at the Salvation Army for heating assitance. Kate went back to work part time, for a short period of time and Jon went through 2-3 jobs in a period of less than 2 years before realizing that it was far more lucrative to EXPLOIT their children as
'a bargaining chip for a show or book deal'. Just because J & K were married, had jobs, and a home does not in and of itself qualify them as MORE 'prepared to take care of their own kids' than any one else, including that of the mother of octuplets. As evident by their (J & K) long and detailed 'prayer list', gathering of 'love offerings' and J & K's appeal to the church and community to assume their societal responsibility because it was medical science technology that contributed to her HOM pregnancy.

BB said...

I don't care if this woman in CA was given the option to reduce. I don't care if that is a difficult descision to make. Now she has 8 preemies in additio to 6 other kids. She is NOT married, thus has no help, other than her parents, and golly I don't envy them. But boo-hoo-hoo, cry me a river. I hope she gets not a single thing handed to her. She messed with nature, and see what happened. Whatever happened to adopting? Who in their right mind would have 8 embryos implanted in their womb, after you already had 6 chidlren???? What a nutcase! That's what gets me. She already had 6 children!!!! There was no need for this. I feel sorry for these babies, I'm sure they are not going to have a whole lot of opportunities in life....And who is paying the medical bills for this selfish woman. This just makes me sick...I hope she ends up on welfare and her kids end up with adoptive parents that more than likely can take better care of them than this deranged single mother of 14!!!

livinlavidaloca said...

She better hope that her children are cute and she is too....

AND that people can relate to her...(which might be hard...don't know too many single mothers with 14 children all by invitro)...but hey who knows, maybe she's a trend setter.

I wish her luck...and hope she really has a plan when TLC doesn't pick up her life as the next "most watched family on tv"....

Auntie Anne said...

Kate Feels Like Oprah said...
Wow, here are a couple of video clips of Kate living it up at a recent speaking engagement. She said she feels like Oprah when she waves the applauding crowd to have a seat. I can't believe the fanfare...ugh! She explains in the second video why she and Jon travel separately now, and because she has the "gift of gab", she gets voted to speak the most.

Talk about glamorizing being a mother of multiples!

http://desireevanessen.blogspot.com/2009/01/i-saw-kate-gosselin.html

The video of Kate angered me a lot, but I surely did love the "cute moments" of those precious little kids.

It was very fun to see those videos all together, without J&K's blabbering from their little sofa. Those sweet moments are what grabbed me into this show. So sweet.

RNH said...

Bob Barr is the MAN. I love Libertarians. This whole thing is sick and I have no problem blaming the shenanigans of these weirdos on KON.

RNH said...

They also didn't seek out the show. The show came to/was offered to them.

I think it was uncovered long ago that she did indeed shop around a tape to many networks.

Anonymomma said...

I think that as much as Keight is to blame, so is TLC and Figure 8 if not more so. They have openly admitted to have already begun a look-see into Nadya Suleman and her family with the possibility of a TV show. If there was no outlet for this, like the corporations that feed into it, I highly doubt either woman would have done it.

Also, the California Board of Medical Review (not sure if that's the exact title) is now investigating Suleman and exactly how she became pregnant.

These are the Times that Try Mens Souls..... said...

It's clear the world has gone completely mad. There is no common sense anymore. I remember reading commone sense's obituary a few years ago. Too bad it passed on but it's in a much better place I'm sure. It died I think when KON became psuedo-celebrities. It had a chance of being revived but then this woman in CA decided she wanted more embryos implanted than any human being should be allowed despite the fact that she already had six children. Now common sense is gone for good. RIP Common Sense.

Snark said...

RNH said...
They also didn't seek out the show. The show came to/was offered to them.

I think it was uncovered long ago that she did indeed shop around a tape to many networks.

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Exactly. On one of their shows (I think it was a Q&A one) it was said that KATE sent a video out to different places, so yeah, she shopped her kids.

SAHM said...

ALRIGHT...THAT'S IT!!!! I am searching the internet so i can find some fertility drugs so that i can top them all and have 10 babies!!!!! Hopefully i will get me some freebies and a million dollar konpound to go w/ it!!









Ummm.... Just kidding! :)

iHaveAcouponForThisComment said...

According to wikipedia, Suleman didn't have 8 embryos implanted. It's not made clear exactly how many she DID have but I've read "less than 8, and they multiplied". Maybe it was 6 embryos and there are 2 sets of identicals within the Suleman brood. Either way, it's still crazy a doctor would implant ANY embryos into a woman whom was unwed, unemployed, and already had 6 young children...including a 3 yr old with Austism and 2 yr old twins. Her life MUST have been hectic already!!

Anyway, I wouldn't blame the Gosselin's. It was Suleman herself who decided to breed for the sake of becoming a Television Freak Show. I'm pretty sure the Gosselin's didn't plan on having a show when they first had the tups. If you want to blame anyone, blame TV networks.... blame TLC for "encouraging" this kind of behavior. From what I've read TLC is already offering a show to the Suleman's....(pending the children's winning personalities, of course). Wouldn't it be ironic if Suleman really was somehow "inspired" by Kate to use children to get "rich and famous" and then Suleman's show becomes the one to REPLACE J&K+8?!

Bicoastal said...

Is it wrong that I want to have HOMs with the Reading Eagles's Al Walentis?

Way to snark, Al!

tami said...

However, as a society, shouldn't our first priority be the physical health and well-being of these new beautiful bundles of joy?
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No! That is not MY first priority! My own family, my own 4 kids are MY priority. She needs to be responsible for what SHE had chosen to do!

tami said...

It's wrong! People need to be held accountable for their OWN actions. Not blame others."

That's right, KON, you are responsible for your OWN actions. Society is not, despite what Kate claimed.

AnneMarie said...

"a lot of guilt because we couldn’t afford two kids, let alone eight."


Just makes me want to SCREAM !!!!

4thekids said...

About the octuplets mother:

In the Today interview, Nadya Suleman said that she tried getting pregnant for 7 years before in-vitro. Here's a little bit of math. She is 33. Her oldest child is 7. Taking into account 9 months of pregnancy, that would have made her 25 when she conceived her oldest child. Now subtract the 7 years she's claimed to have been trying, and you get the whopping age of EIGHTEEN. And that is assuming that, after 7 years of trying, she conceived her first child in that same year.

This woman is an absolute joke. Whatever brands/companies that choose to sponsor this woman will absolutely lose my support, as well as many other people, I'm sure.

June C said...

Jacqueline Killebrew said...

I just had a thought- A scary one, at that. Okay, so this woman hires a Rep to field offers, etc. Part of this Rep's job is spin it, and try to get into the media, and masses, good graces.

What if, the 'story', is spin doctored into something like this?

The woman, was 'planning' on using the last crop of eggs, and adopting them out to infertile couples, out of the goodness of her heart, but, after the 'trama' and 'bonding', she can't bring herself to do it?
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I was wondering what kind of "spin" they're cooking up for that woman too. Your spin ideas on it were pretty clever.
I think they'll drag God into this. The religious aspect seemed to help Jon and Kate. Maybe the woman will say God told her to have a bunch of kids, like she had a vision or something when she was a child. Her mother said she always wanted a lot of kids. Hey, maybe you and I can go into the spin business together! Like you, I hope we're not giving them ideas.

Hope said...

I just read on the Today Show website that Nadya Suleman's publicist (yes, she has a publicist) said that she has "book and TV deals" in the works. Seriously? Am I the only one who thinks that sounds like the most boring thing on the planet? I mean I'll watch the interview because I'm curious about this woman (frankly I think she must be nuts) but as far as raising the babies, I think we've seen it all. I'm honestly not the least bit curious.

What will the book say? We've already seen the whole thing. Old news.

I think there is very little marketability here. The KON already has the market cornered. Scary? Yes. Sad? Yes.

I just had a funny thought. I wonder what guys who have donated sperm in California in the last few years are thinking?!?

Merilee said...

I would so like to be a fly on the wall at the Gosselins house today.

Also, hopefully Oprah won't fall into this woman's trap and put her on the Oprah show. Oprah got a rude surprise after she booked that stupid woman (who calls herself a man.) the one with whiskers on her face!

BadPenny said...

I just had a funny thought. I wonder what guys who have donated sperm in California in the last few years are thinking?!? She's already informed the public that the sperm donor is a co-worker at the fertility clinic. I believe the name on the first 4 children's birth certificates is David Salomon (or close to that).
My point of pointing out that the G's worked, had their own place, were married, etc. was simply to show how THEY were obviously prepared to take care of their own kids. Gee, too bad Poppy died and they no longer had the resources to support their family because Jon job hopped from one crappy job to another, finally got a MS certification to get a better paying job but still couldn't hold onto a job. Either Katie couldn't stand for him to to be there to wipe her ass and he had to leave work to take care of her or he was just too lazy to get the frack out of bed and show up but he did lose his job when she was pregnant due to just failing to show up -- I do believe that is why he had to stand in line for assistance because you can't get unemployment benefits when it's your failure to go into work that's made you unemployed.
Those two lie so much and yet their fans never blink and eye and even when the information is available to them they pretend the story is some other fairy tale that Jon and Katie are selling then the real facts that are not locked away from anyone that can google.
So this lady got outed before she could start spinning her story and she's getting a black lash but Kon had sold their pack of lies to so many churches before anyone did any public expose and now the church goers can't let the world know they've been conned and so they run around backing up the Kon lies. Really just makes them look stupid to me but whatever.

Anonymomma said...

Interesting new developments in the Octuplet case. The mom did in fact have 8 embryos implanted.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488627,00.html

Anonymomma said...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29038814/

That's the link to Nadya SUleman's interview. If you ask me, she is prettier than Kate. At least she doesn't have wonky hair lol.

nosheeple said...

It was very fun to see those videos all together, without J&K's blabbering from their little sofa. Those sweet moments are what grabbed me into this show. So sweet.
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Oh yawn. I think the kids hitting each other and screaming is the most boring part of the show.

Anonymomma said...

Sorry for the spam, but I just read the excerpts to the interview given by OctoMom, and I'm not buying what she's trying to sell. I think her degree in psychology will mainly be used to try and persuade the public into thinking she isn't crazy. Ten seconds into it and she's already blaming a dysfuntional childhood/parents/family. We all have our issues, and I know people who probably have had it worse then her. Yet they didn't resolve to get rich off of having babies. Plus it's been discovered that she was collecting disability payments while she was working. She definately jumped on the Gosselin Gravy Train if you ask me.

pghlynn said...

Just read about the "octo" mom's upcoming interview. On so many levels this woman annoys me already.

One: claiming she wanted kids because she was an only child and lonely (this is from our local paper) UUUUGGGHHH!! As an only child I am insulted. I never was lonely I had friends!!

Two: Already I can see contradictions with this woman that clearly show she is not playing with a full deck

“Describe what you felt you lacked within,” Curry said.

“Feeling of self and identity,” Suleman, 33, replied. “I didn't feel as though, when I was a child, I had much control of my environment. I felt powerless. And that gave me a sense of predictability. Reflecting back on my childhood, I know it wasn't functional. It was pretty dysfunctional, and whose isn't?”

Ummmm...I know I only have a lowly Associates Degree in Child Development, but feeling powerless and not in control of your environment as a child does NOT give you as sense of predictability. If I remember my psych 101 right and oh yeah my over 20 years of experience working with kids including those from a dysfunctional background it gives you a sense of UNPREDICTABILITY!!!!!! And if your childhood was so dysfunctional then go get help you clearly need it.

There are so many other things that bug me about this story and this woman, but I will just leave it at that right now. I need to calm down before I blow a gasket. I just would like to say that 14 kids and all the money in the world is NOT going to make this woman feel any better about herself. She has deep pyschological problems and CPS really does need to intervene on behalf of those children.

jojow said...

Oh my goodness. To me, this octuplets story just gets worse and worse. She's been trying since she was 18 to have children because she "longed for certain connections and attachments with another person that I really lacked, I believe, growing up". She had kids so they would love her. There are few things more selfish than that. What does it mean when the first 6 kids didn't fill that void?

On another note, there's been a lot of discussion about how irresponsible it is to have 6 or 8 kids if you can't afford them. I'd like to submit it is irresponsible to intentionally EVER have 6 or 8 kids at one time - whether you can afford them or not. I do not believe in abortion or reduction - if I somehow became pregnant with 4,5, or 6 kids, I'd have them all. BUT, to intentionally plan to have more than two babies by implanting so many eggs or inseminating overstimulated ovaries is incredibly selfish.

The difficulties of premature infants are infinite. Kate - and this crazy mom - have no idea how lucky they are their children are healthy. And, actually, in the case of the octups, it could be years before the impact of prematurity are seen. And, although the tups were born at a miraculous 31 weeks, because there were so many, some of their birth weights were gestationally weeks and weeks younger. There's no way of knowing what the effects will be.

I personally hope the octups' mom gets a good psych eval and they children are able to be adopted.

2badsosad said...

In response to (in part)

"claiming she (the mother of octuplets) wanted kids because she was an only child and lonely (this is from our local paper)"

Kate Gosselin, ' I wanted to know what it was like to have just ONE child'. Despite the fact that she was ALREADY a mother of twins.

"I just would like to say that 14 kids and all the money in the world is NOT going to make this woman feel any better about herself."

Eight children and all the money in the world will NEVER make Kate Gosselin feel any better about HERSELF!

Where'dTheyGo? said...

“Feeling of self and identity,” Suleman, 33, replied. “I didn't feel as though, when I was a child, I had much control of my environment. I felt powerless. And that gave me a sense of predictability. Reflecting back on my childhood, I know it wasn't functional. It was pretty dysfunctional, and whose isn't?”
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Gee whiz. Saying this about her parents who she's expecting to help her out?

PDD-mom said...

OK I hope you dont mind me doing this but this story makes me so mad on so many levels. As a mom of two sets of high risk mutiples (with three living children, NO fertilty treatments!) I want to tell you some of the complications that my HEALTHY 29 week premmies are dealing with today!


One is nearly blind in one eye.
One may have Autism.
One has oversensitive hearing so everything is twice as loud to him.
Two have reflux (at age three).
All three have some level of PDD-NOS.

We have spent thousands of dollars on testing and special help for our kids (me and my HUSBAND). Dont get me wrong I have nothing against single mothers, I was raised by one but it is a hard life for everyone involved. To bring children into this world who may know NOTHING but pain is so selfish. Like it has been said before she may not know the problems that these kids will have until years from now. I only wish good things for these babies who are true miracles and truely hope that they are healthy and loved but there are many odds against them.

Anonymomma said...

I have a set of identical twin boys who were born at 32 weeks and flighted by air ambulance to a hospital better equipped and about an hour and a half away. I was released three days after they were born and the first thing I did was stop at my house to hug my fourteen month old son (who I had not seen in five weeks due to hospitalized bedrest) and then go right to the NICU to be with my babies.

I can not believe this woman, for lack of a better word at this moment, sat down for an interview to talk about her plight. Was she not seperated for two months from her other six kids? And now she's in 'a private undisclosed location, away from cameras and the press'. Screw the cameras! Doesn't she think about anyone else? I'll bet those kids miss their mom. Ladies and gentlemen, Kate Gosselin's competition.

Anonymomma said...

PDD-mom said...
OK I hope you dont mind me doing this but this story makes me so mad on so many levels. As a mom of two sets of high risk mutiples (with three living children, NO fertilty treatments!) I want to tell you some of the complications that my HEALTHY 29 week premmies are dealing with today!


One is nearly blind in one eye.
One may have Autism.
One has oversensitive hearing so everything is twice as loud to him.
Two have reflux (at age three).
All three have some level of PDD-NOS.

We have spent thousands of dollars on testing and special help for our kids (me and my HUSBAND). Dont get me wrong I have nothing against single mothers, I was raised by one but it is a hard life for everyone involved. To bring children into this world who may know NOTHING but pain is so selfish. Like it has been said before she may not know the problems that these kids will have until years from now. I only wish good things for these babies who are true miracles and truely hope that they are healthy and loved but there are many odds against them.


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PDD Mom, my twins are 11 now. At 3 years old they were diagnosed as PDD-NOS, Disruptive Behavior Disorder, Sensory Integration Disorder, and ADHD (primarily hyperactivity but they can't diagnose just hyperactivity so they classify them adHd.

When they were in the thrid grade, we discovered that they are legally blind and were told it was most likely a result of oxygen during their 5 weeks in the NICU. The younger twin is deaf in his right ear due to under developed ear canals that eventually led to a severe enough ear infection that made the pediatrician think the swelling behind it was actually a tumor. The younger twin has also recently been disgnosed as bipolar, which took four years to properly distinguish.

You hit the nail on the head in saying that it can take many many years for the full effects of prematurity to develop. Even now at 11, my twins are reffered to as NICU grads whenever we go to any doctor, so that they know to look for specific issues preemies are prone to having.

The kids (Gosselins and Sulemans) may present to be physically healthy, but there are in for quite a long journey. They really have no idea.

MomOf3AndLovingIt said...

Oh lordy, have you read the info on her disability claims???
This woman and Kate may be long lost sisters!
The last part of the PEOPLE.com article details it.

PDD-mom said...

Anonymomma, I am sorry for asking this on here but were your boys mono-mono twins as well? They are trying to tell me that this was the root of my boys problems?

Koncerned in Chi said...

Someone talked about the choices with frozen embryos. I know firsthand what a wrenching decision that can be. An option is to implant them at a time in your cycle when implantation is highly unlikely. With the other options being destroying them or donating them, this is an option that some women can find peace with. On that note, when I did my one and only IVF cycle after three years of trying, I will never forget the morning of the implantation. We spoke with the lab techs, the nurses, the social worker and my doctor for a long time. Our dilemma was to implant 2 or 3 viable embryos. 2 or 3. Not 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10....Doing three scared the hell out of me, because "what if..." We did two and were blessed with our beautiful daughter. I cannot even fathom a dr, social worker, et al telling a women to implant 8 or more embryos. It boggles the mind how anyone could do that many. So, my long winded point is, there are many choices to make in the IVF world. You don't always have to take the biggest chances with the highest risks. And something else, the probability of frozen embryos implanting and dividing successfully are a lot less than "fresh" embryos. To have 8 take is remarkably unlikely. I am doubting they were frozen and actually was a deliberate brand new cycle of IVF.

Monica A said...

Hate's words.......

"I might be able to meet their physical needs, but not the emotional needs. It is very difficult. I'm talking about time to talk about feelings, read books and the absolute bare necessities to get done. I cannot do it five days a week."

Then why have so many children? But the quesetion begs to be asked...does she even do that now? Now that they are older and are much more self sufficient than they were at 1 year old?

More of Hate:

"I mean, he stood in line at the Salvation Army for heating assistance; a lot of guilt because we couldn’t afford two kids, let alone eight."

Ummmmm. Then if you couldn't afford two, why were you even trying for 'just one more?' Talk about irresponsible and selfish.

Jen K said...

"I mean, he stood in line at the Salvation Army for heating assistance; a lot of guilt because we couldn’t afford two kids, let alone eight."


That quote just ticks me off.

Yet, they might have been able to had Jon not stopped going to work with eight months of the pregnancy left to go.

But I guess that had to be done, because there is no way that the droves of donations, freebies, cash and volunteers are going to show up on your doorstep unless you have a SUPER hard-luck story to tell. His being unemployed (i.e. just deciding not to go to work) was probably part of the plan all along. Six babies may not bring in the gifts, but an unemployed dad will surely put them over the top then.

What responsible man (chuckle) decides to stop working when he finds out he's having six babies? I mean, wouldn't you hold on to that job like your life depended on it? And eight little lives did...

There are certain aspects of this situation that are open to interpretation so I understand the controversy and desire by some to explain things away. Fine. But something like quitting your job when you have six babies coming...there's really no interpretation needed. That's irresponsible and selfish.

Now, apply that same irresponsible/selfish theory to the myriad other stories about these two and it starts to add up.

Scoots said...

Exactly. On one of their shows (I think it was a Q&A one) it was said that KATE sent a video out to different places, so yeah, she shopped her kids.

We've seen part of the exact tape she sent out - its the one where she is sitting on the sofa at the old house, the babies are scattered all over the floor and she questions Cara and Mady on their birthdays.

Don't ask how I know this. ;)

Paisley said...

I can't wait for the story about her fertility clinic to come out. She's been so secretive about it, you know something shady will come out. If she really worked at a fertility clinic like her friends say she did, I wonder if someone there performed the procedures off the books.

Vicki said...

PDD Mom: I'm sorry for all you have to go through. But you know what, even with all the physical issues your children are facing, they will be alright. They have a Mom who loves them and no matter what is there for them.

alison said...

ThreeFarmers said...

"Kate has such a selfish streak. To be able to parent so many children the parents have to leave themselves completely open to all their needs. I believe that this is why Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar have been successful (so far) at rearing their brood..."

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I was reading over the posts and I had to stop at this one. I have agreed with Three Farmers on many of her postings and even enjoy hearing about her being an aunt. (I love my nieces too!) But, I have to disagree with her posting on this subject.

I have respect for Michelle Duggar in that I believe she handles her children in a quiet, kind manner. I think we can all agree that has a very positive effect on children.

That said, I also think, from watching the show, that the older children are really "raising" the younger ones. She isn't having more kids, she is farming them out to her older daughters.

In fact, she is being completely selfish by having all those children. There is no way she can give each of them the attention, time, etc. that they need. It is all about her wanting more kids, not about the kids they already have. The children don't even get new shoes, ever. They always buy used shoes. That is not good for the development of their feet, let alone the health risks. How is that putting her kids first?

And the education in that family. Oh. My. Gosh. This is 2009. There is no way Michelle Duggar, who was so young when she married that her mom had to sign the marriage license for her, is capable of teaching all those childern through high school. Seriously, that is just awful. In my opinion, it is educational abuse. I know people who home school and take it very seriously. Their children go on to college and have many choices in life because of their good education. This is not the Duggar children.

Michelle Duggar acts like she lives in some kind of fairy land, where she can have all the kids in the world, raised by her older daughters, never educate them, and everything will magically be OK.

In what way, exactly, has Michelle Duggar been successful in raising her children?

We get upset on this site if the G kids miss a day of school. I highly doubt the Duggar children could do any common high school courses in science or math.

Let's use the same measuring stick when we assess all reality show families.

debi said...

She's single, 33, unemployed, already had 6 kids, and still can afford MORE in-vetro treatments? What the hell is wrong with these people?

Anonymomma said...

PDD Mom, no, mine weren't mono-mono. They are, however, mirror idenitcals. I can understand why your doctors conclude that but considering your babies were born at 29 weeks I think it's more likely a result of prematurity. We were told the sensory integration disorder and the hyperactivity were most definately thought to be linked. For a very long time we couldn't take them shopping with us because the lights and sounds in the stores would overstimulate them and they would completely melt down in the middle of the store.

Follow your instincts. When my boys were being diagnosed their doctors were leaning more toward family history of ADD than anything else but I knew there was more to it than that and their explainations didn't make sense. It even took a long time for our pediatrician to reffer us to specialists because he contributed their symptoms to terrible two's.

Someone on here said something about one of the Gosselin boys saying he falls down everyday in the last episode? The first thing I thought of was inner ear problems, which are apparently quite common in preemies. As a nurse, Kate should know to be on her toes about these sorts of things even now at nearly five. They don't outgrow prematurity.

Its A Good Thing said...

alison said...
Actually the Duggar children seem very well educated. Have you seen any of their new series? Those young kids behave and speak WAY better then any of KON children, actually better than KON themselves. I have yet to hear a constant string of ummm.. from them. Michelle's children to not act out and while I don't agree with their life style or their filming their children I don't think they are completely bad parents. I have yet to see Michelle make fun of her children like Kate has numerous times. I have yet to see Michelle and Jim Bob disrespect each other. And regarding their education I think Michelle is doing a fine job, because those kids are passing tests regulated by their state. You can't just willy-nilly home school, there are strict rules and regulations to follow. Imagine how different the Gosselin children would be if they had two parents who showed their love like Michelle and JB? Michelle and JB are not living off of their children. Have you not heard? They own commercial property, land with a Verizon (sp) cell tower and they also hold church in their house that Im sure reduces their taxes.

The Gosselin children have a very hard life in front of them. They are part of a popular TV show and their lives are being taped for the world to see over and over again. Once the show is gone to you really think Kate is going to change? She doesn't love her kids, she loves money and fame and she will do anything to get it.

My4sons said...

I just watched the Today show. OMG, she's trying to be Angelina Jolie!! How about those botoxed lips and nose job?? What the hell is going on in this world?
Science and society run amok.
I had 4 csections, all boys, all naturally conceived, and I feel grateful and lucky, as I always wanted to be a mom. Did I want more? yes I wanted 6 kids, and yes I would've liked to have had a girl, but the physical, emtional, and financial toll on me, my husband, and older children was too much to warrant any more pregnancies. My children are in their teens and 20's now, and I am a young baby boomer (46).
My point is Gen x'ers and Gen y'ers have never been told "NO" or accepted they can't have this or that. We,as a society, have coddled them, told them they could do or be anything they wished. All of that "free to be you and me" crap in the 70's is all coming back to bite us in the ass. I too have my moments as a "helicopter" or "hoverer" parent. Sometimes life just sucks and you can't fix it.
Be thankful for what you've got.

DryShips said...

I think it might be a bit much to think that this woman was influenced by Jon and Kate. I mean, it's possible. But not everyone in this country cares about them one way or the other. Her mother or grandmother or someone said she's "obsessed" with children. That doesn't mean she's "obsessed" with Jon and Kate.

Serena said...

I cannot believe anyone is having a positive response to Nadia based upon what we have seen of her interview so far. It was absolutely sickening to me.

First, I don't see her as "poised" and "articulate". I think she's delusional and believes her delusions so thoroughly that of course she can smoothly spout them off. A lack of saying "umm..." every other word doesn't make the content of her little speeches any more rational... it just makes them more soothing to listen to. Which has already fooled a lot of people.

Second, she had kids to fill a void? Children are not supposed to be created for our own needs... they are extremely needy themselves and their needs are supposed to take precedence over ours. You have childhood baggage? Sort it all out BEFORE you have jurisdiction over someone else's childhood.

Third, oh poor Nadia, the victim whom everyone is just ganging up on because she is a single mom! Boo hoo! No honey, married or single, your philosophies, your motivations, your decisions, they would be C-R-A-Z-Y.

Fourth, it is the height of immaturity and selfishness to believe that it's a good idea to first have 14 children within 8 years, and THEN start working on a plan to support them.

Sadly, I'm not surprised that she found a PR firm willing to assure us all that we'll feel differently about her after we've seen her. There is no shortage of delusion in this society. Children are merely commodities to fill our void, to be dumped into institutionalized daycare so we can go pursue an education AFTER we have them, and don't you dare criticize a single mom because if you do you will be accused of "judging" her only because she is single.

What an utter crock, I am disgusted with this woman and with people whose eyes glaze over at her better-than-Kate-Gosselin outer appearance and figure hey, if she LOOKS better she must BE better!

jaimethe5th said...

tami said...
However, as a society, shouldn't our first priority be the physical health and well-being of these new beautiful bundles of joy?
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No! That is not MY first priority! My own family, my own 4 kids are MY priority. She needs to be responsible for what SHE had chosen to do!

2/05/2009 1:53 PM

AMEN, TAMI! PREACH IT TO THE BACK ROW!! I could NOT agree MORE.!!!

Addison said...

Her parents must feel like crap after hearing/reading what she said about them (and how she felt sooooo alone and had such a bad childhood.) Aren't these the same parents have to SELL their own house so they could help her pay for hers (or something to that affect?) And it sounds like all things considered, they've (especially her mother) have been pretty understanding about her freakishness and obsessions with babies.

Somehow, I think she's not being quite truthful about everything...

Carla said...

Ahh, in today's CNN article she says, "Of the octuplets' birth, Suleman said she had been hoping to have one more child and had six embryos implanted, two of which led to twins."

Huh. So when implanted with HOM, the new in thing is to say you were hoping for just one. Yeah, I'd say this woman watched a JK+8 marathon or two.

entitled?ithinkNOT said...

I'm still trying to figure out why anyone in this world thinks they are "entitled" to anything other than the basic human rights. Give me a break, what is next???

Heidi said...

You know Nadya will be in a fishbowl if all of those children survive. First she will get their names put into the Guiness book of World records. Then she will probably make the rounds of all the talk shows.

Oh! You want to know what I want to see??

Kate and Nadya together on a talk show that will be all nice at first and then BLAMO! Watch Kate twitch! That will be some good ole popcorn watching there.

Erin said...

It's A Good Thing..

"Actually the Duggar childern seem very well educated..."

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RE: Duggar children's schooling

States do not have high standards for home schooling. And just passing a state test does not mean someone has a good education. Here in my state, kids only need to pass state tests by 50%, not exactly high standards. (My sixth grader recently took a practice test for the 12th grade standardized state test and passed with a 89%. Need I say more?)

If someone with Michelle Duggars qualifications (i.e., no qualifications) was teaching the Gosselin children, we would be outraged. Just because they are quiet and talk in full sentences does not mean they are getting a good education.

I have heard Kate talk many times about the importance, to her, that all the kids go to college. Kate might not be the sharpest tool in the box, but at least she understands the importance of an education. At least she wants more for her children.

If any of the Duggar children ever go to college, I'll pay for it myself.

By the way, I have extensive expereince with home schooling, in my state and others. My daughter is home schooled, in high school, due to a medical condition. She also takes some college courses. All of her teachers are certified high school teachers.

Sheri said...

Does anyone else think the octuplets' mom looks, or is trying to look, like Angelina Jolie?

I was stunned when I saw her. If those lips are fake, I think she is doing it on purpose. What a hoot!

Well, it is not really a hoot. I think she might be mentally ill. No one acts like that. Her poor parents...

Taylor Taylor said...

Here's the TMZ article on Nadya Suleman trying to "adopt" Angelina Jolie's lips.

http://i42.tinypic.com/o6xqa1.jpg

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=o6xqa1&s=5

amy said...

It's A Good Thing said...

"Have you not heard? They own commercial property, land with a Verizon (sp) cell tower and they also hold church in their house that Im sure reduces their taxes."

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I have watched Duggars, including the first special. TLC helped pay for the house to be finished off and paid for all the furniture and decorating. They even hired a designer. Before this house, the Duggars were renting a small ranch house. The would not have the house they have without TLC. You are misunderstanding the extent of their finances before this show.

In the $ department, they are just like Kon.

Anonymomma said...

I like the Duggars, but I have to say, they wouldn't have the finances they have now if it weren't for TLC. The publicity from their show and specials has to bring in more business for them.

However, if I were a child who had the chance to pick between living with the Duggars or living with the Gosselins, I'd pick the Duggars hands down.

Caroline said...

This woman who gave birth to a litter is very lucky. Major news sources, for the most part, aren't doing any real journalism about how terrible this situation is because all of the babies are considered healthy premies. If even one of those babies didn't survive, she and her doctors would have a riot on their hands. Rather than soliciting media offers she would be RUNNING from them. It really pisses me off that no one is holding her responsible for being so irresponsible because all eight are alive. Her selfish obsession put eight babies at very high risk for life-threatening and lifelong debilitating problems. Mother of the Year, anyone?

The media needs to stop writing about how amazing eight healthy babies are and start writing about how dangerous HOM can be, especially with mentally unstable mothers who abuse fertility treatments.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I see that you have taken this topic to a new thread so I will ask you all here have you changed your mind about this woman since she has come out and given her sideof the story? If you have not heard it check out this web site as it has a video of her first interview. Do you now support her and think she is a saint?

http://watching-tv.ew.com/2009/02/octuplets-nadya.html

bradleymom said...

I think this crackpot mother of eight is going to find that Kon has actually ruined things for her, rather than her being able to jump on the baby-freebie bandwagon. Look at all the people that post here with such (very warranted) negativity about Kon. The dialogue has been opened and I suspect people, sponsors, and churches will look at the situation with a more critical eye than if we had never heard of J&K.

Also, is there a name of something that is like Munchausen's by proxy, but more related to the attention pregnant women and new mother's receive. I think this chick thrives on the whole new Mommy thing - I guess she liked it so much she is trying to up the attention eight-fold. This world is screwed up.

Love watching Miss Dip-sh#@ Kate spout her opinion on the new Mom. Call her on your own nickel and share with her how to bilk people, and throw them aside. Your time is up Kate - Don't let the door hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'.

ccm said...

Anonymomma said...

I like the Duggars, but I have to say, they wouldn't have the finances they have now if it weren't for TLC. The publicity from their show and specials has to bring in more business for them.



If I recall, the Duggars had several businesses in place and were comfortably supporting their family long before TLC came along.

LuAnne said...

Obviously, to anyone who can think rationally (so, excluding sheeple here) the shows about huge lots of children demonstrated to Nadya that the potential for fame (at least) and fortune (probably) is there for someone with a freakishly large brood, especially with multiples. Clearly, her situation (single, living with parents) is more sensational than any of the others, which no doubt she feels (rightly) would make her more marketable to tabloids (and tabloid TV, of which TLC is the king these days). Furthermore, she's more photogenic (lacking the clown haircut and botox) than Kate, and very definitely more articulate. You could fit Kate's entire vocabulary (including her made-up words) into a corner of Nadya's. So all in all, she stands a good chance of pulling it off.

If anyone read Bill O'Reilly's syndicated column today, it was all about the octuplets, and how if it was the UK, she and the doctor would be under arrest. It was surprising to see O'Reilly tackle this kind of story, as he's usually preoccupied with national politics. Maybe, just maybe, with enough letters he'd see that it would be good for his ratings to devote a show to exposing this whole circus, including for once, a no-holds-barred truthful expose of J&K.

Carolina said...

It is not "obvious" nor is there absolutely any proof that Jon and Kate's show or any other show about multiple births "demonstrated to Nadya" that it can lead to fame and fortune. I don't think it's rational to say that anyone who has a litter of children is influenced in some way by Jon and Kate or tv, for that matter.

Clearly, the octuplet mom has some issues stemming from childhood. I don't care for Kate Gosselin, but why is she getting blamed for the supposed mental issues of a woman who had 8 babies? People are responsible for their own actions. Kate didn't conduct the fertility treatments on this lady; some doctor did, and it's a good thing he/she is getting investigated by the state.

Anonymomma said...

ccm said...
Anonymomma said...

I like the Duggars, but I have to say, they wouldn't have the finances they have now if it weren't for TLC. The publicity from their show and specials has to bring in more business for them.



If I recall, the Duggars had several businesses in place and were comfortably supporting their family long before TLC came along.


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ccm,

I meant no disrespect. I like the Duggars. I'm just saying that in light of their show, it brought more business for them. They do have a lot of rental properties, including a plot of land being rented by Verizon for a cell tower. Don't they also have a car dealership of some sort?

I know a lot of people have their gripes with the Duggar family but in general, I like them. I think they are honest and generally do have their kids best inerests at heart. Even if TLC went away tomorrow they would still be who they are, and that can't be said for Keight.

machinegunsmom said...

Octomom is going to be on Dateline, Tuesday night at 10/9 central I believe.

machinegunsmom said...

Toofunny said...

As for Jon & Kate...... they both had jobs, had their own place, and were married, had a different proceedure done than the other women in order to get pregnant (didn't intend to have so many at once), and never expected or demanded money. People of their area just naturally felt the need to help and did so. But it isn't like they said "We aren't talking unless someone gives us a TV show, book deal, money, etc." like this other woman is doing. They also didn't seek out the show. The show came to/was offered to them.

Clear differences.

To blame Jon & Kate for what this woman did is wrong. That's no better or different than when someone blames a song, a video game, or a movie as the reason why they murdered another person(s). It's wrong! People need to be held accountable for their OWN actions. Not blame others.
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Um, Jon was unemployed for most of the year the sextuplets were born, they had Medicaid, and they had an extensive "wish list" on their personal web site, which included the 15 passenger van. They were asking for handouts looonnnggg before we started calling them out on it. Go back to the articles where they were begging taxpayers to keep providing them with a free nurse. Maybe Kon isn't to blame for this woman's bad decision-making, but don't paint them to be saints.

Deirdre said...

Carolina said...

It is not "obvious" nor is there absolutely any proof that Jon and Kate's show or any other show about multiple births "demonstrated to Nadya" that it can lead to fame and fortune. I don't think it's rational to say that anyone who has a litter of children is influenced in some way by Jon and Kate or tv, for that matter.


I think it's totally naive to think Nadya didn't get the idea from the TLC shows that having a litter could get her all kinds of perks, freebies, money, and celebrity. Nadya's not just a nutcase being exploited by the media against her will. She's a greedy opportunist who hired a publicist, and is asking for millions to tell her story. She definitely had it all arranged in her mind even before she had herself implanted. It seems at least like the idea to get rich off her kids came to Kate after they were conceived.