How Much Is Enough?

When Jon & Kate Plus 8 first aired as Surviving Twins and Sextuplets and the follow up a year later, we saw a family with eight small children and years and years of bills ahead of them. It wasn’t hard for any of us to wonder how they would pay for the basics that they needed. Food, shelter, clothing, and the basic everyday needs of life add up for all of us. Few of us could imagine life in a family with two working parents and all those little kids. The daily schedule, the stress, the bills, well it was hard to begrudge Jon and Kate for allowing two one hour specials to be made. Heck, most of us could probably say that, at that time, we probably would have made the same decision. continue

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fostersmom said...

When Jon & Kate Plus 8 first aired as Surviving Twins and Sextuplets and the follow up a year later, we saw a family with eight small children and years and years of bills ahead of them. It wasn’t hard for any of us to wonder how they would pay for the basics that they needed. Food, shelter, clothing, and the basic everyday needs of life add up for all of us. Few of us could imagine life in a family with two working parents and all those little kids. The daily schedule, the stress, the bills, well it was hard to begrudge Jon and Kate for allowing two one hour specials to be made. Heck, most of us could probably say that, at that time, we probably would have made the same decision.

Next the weekly show started. At first this was the same family we had seen in those specials. The kids were cute, Jon was working, and Kate had become a stay at home mom. They were in a new bigger house, the kids had room to grow. We saw the kids playing in the driveway, Kate was clipping coupons and telling us how to stretch a dollar, and Jon was greeted by 8 hugs when he got home from work. Awww..... what a cute family!

But then things started to change. More and more episodes were about some special place that the family was visiting, but not like any family we knew of. Guided tours, behind the scenes access, and visits on closed days all made it hard to relate to. It became more and more obvious that each episode was a set up scenario full of product placement or free publicity. It was like watching a shop at home channel and a travel program at the same time. On top of that, we were seeing things that just didn’t seem “right” to a lot of viewers. Every week we saw Kate yelling, Jon being degraded or smacked, neither parent worked anymore, kids forced to go places no matter how tired or uninterested they were, couch interviews in which certain children are regularly bad mouthed, and shots of the kids that were inappropriate at best.

So, I have to ask, how much is enough?

How much loss of privacy is enough? Shots of kids on the potty, shots of kids partially clothed, and shots of kids in the shower that never needed to be part of the show are forever out there for anyone to see. Shows have highlighted kids melting down, being yelled at and punished, or mocked or disparaged by Jon and Kate. Cara and Mady are already in school and the little kids are getting closer by the day. I can’t imagine what their school mates say or will say in the future. Doctor and dentist appointments have been turned into episodes. Not even their medical privacy is respected. We’ve seen episode after episode in which kids are shown in humiliating situations that most adults wouldn’t choose for themselves. But these kids have no say in editing and their parents provide the fodder.

How many free trips will be enough? I’ve lost track of how many places this family went to in 2008. No trip was without a huge amount of stress and yelling. Gee, how enjoyable. But those "memories" must be made! Sick kids were left behind while their parents went to collect a free cosmetic surgery. Any of those sick kids could have taken a sudden turn for the worse and needed to be rushed to the hospital. No one cares if it’s 100 degrees outside, the show must go on so it’s off to the amusement park to bake in the roasting sun. When the kids weren’t being dragged back and forth across the country, they were at what seems to be every family friendly place in all of Pennsylvania. Ironically, the happiest we saw the kids was when they were right in their own neighborhood playing at the park or at home just all together in the backyard or basement playroom.

How much fame is enough? Jon and Kate seem to think of themselves a celebrities these days, Kate in particular. Magazine covers and interviews, talk show appearances, spokesperson gigs, book signings, and church or tradeshow speaking appearances have become the norm. Almost every single day we learn of some new interview or appearance. This is on top of the almost continual presence of the film crew in the home. All these comings and goings for the most part happen on the days of the week that the camera crew isn’t in the house. I’m not seeing a lot of time for a nice quiet family movie night or trip to the local playground just by themselves, no camera crew in tow. Branding and marketing looks to be the new parental priority instead of homework and playtime.

How much money is enough? This is not a struggling family anymore. If you can afford million dollar homes in Pennsylvania, you can certainly afford to feed and clothe your kids. Contrary to what Kate and Jon think, it’s not up to the general public to provide for weddings twenty years from now or retirement for themselves. This was still being touted in 2008. How does one justify asking for a speaking fee, passing the “love offering” basket, and then selling $20 pictures of your kids all in the course of an hour or two and knowing that at the same time they are shopping the market for $1,000,000+ homes? Now we learn that a Utah vacation condo is being shopped for too. No one wants the kids to be deprived of anything they need. But it’s getting really hard to believe that all of these things are for the kids and not for the parents. I doubt the kids were clamoring for a 25 acre spread or barns or guest cottages. A dog and a pool, maybe, but not a kitchen equipped with granite countertops and stainless steel appliances. All purchased with money earned for the price of eight childhoods.

So, how much is enough?

I’m afraid to know the answer.

AllisonSarah7 said...

I'm just waiting for the day that either both of them or one of them (probably Jon) realizes what they are doing. Will the apologize to their fans, or even to their children? Will they acknowledge what they've done? In their final farewell episode, what reasons will be given for ending the show? "We realized that we were selling our 8 beautiful childrens' childhoods for monetary gain. We've had an epiphany and we pray to God every night that our children will forgive us and that the public will pretend this never happened." I'm just waiting for the day...

jon and kate are cons said...

The other night I watched Surviving Twins and Sextuplets. This show was much different than the episodes we see now. I really enjoyed the show in the beginning. But, it has changed, and not for the better. Back then we didn't see Kate belittle Jon and hit him, like she does now. I also don't like the way Kate puts the children down. Kate has really changed, and that leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.

jill said...

It's never enough...they will ALWAYS be searching...makes for a very unhappy life.

I used to like these people...sad.

Tangerine Tanya said...

Fostermon,

You can't see me but I am standing up and clapping my hands and giving you a high five across the internet miles. You sure have hit the nail on the head with this one. But wait!Why am I clapping? This really is a truthful yet sad post about the lives of the Gosselins. What they are doing if really disturbing. But your post rings true...Thanks for posting the truth. VERY POWERFUL POST.

Four said...

I think it is foolish for anyone to expect these two parents (and I use that term loosely) to ever stop what they are doing. It has worked for them from the beginning. They never struggled financially, they just acted that way. Oh, those kids, so many of them to clothe and feed! Omitting the generous corporate and private donations. Those kids! So hard to care for them, they are a handful! Omitting the volunteers that were there from the beginning!

The only thing I see? Infomercials on how to market your family for maximum benefit with the least amount of effort.

Lisa said...

How Much is Enough?

I think they've long past that point and they have now reached "train wreck" territory. People watched in the beginning - Surviving Twins and Sextuplets and the early shows of the series - because the shows were genuine. They showed the real life of a family with HOM and how they cope. Then this "reality" series turned less real - product placements, freebies, donated trips - and they have now passed the point where people can sympathize or relate to this family. I think TLC is taking more heat each day for this type of program and it is even spawning WORSE programming now with the little beaty pagent girls show upcoming. Yuck! I think the combo of J&K+8, the cult like Duggars and the exploited beauty pagent girls will drive people away from TLC in droves. They should have stuck with "What Not to Wear" and "Flip This House" and not gone into the business of exploiting children.

marypoppins said...

"Special Days"
J and K made a point in saying that they saved for each special day and it was something they wish they could do more often etc.

We KNOW that TLC was paying for the Roller Skates, Bounce House to be closed etc and that J and K would have been paid for the episode.

Anonymous said...

I don't know why they need to have a full camera crew inside the house at all times. Can't they just install a few cameras in certain rooms and let them just forget they are being filmed? This way we don't have to endure Kate playing up to the camera & producers.

seashell said...

Good post, fostersmom.

To answer the question: It will never be enough for Kate. As long as someone, somewhere has something better than Kate, nothing will ever be enough.

Dont Hold Your Breath said...

It will never be enough and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for either Kon-artist to suddenly wake up and realize what they've done. They know exactly what they're doing. As we know, Kate is a planner and she has planned out everything. I don't know that she expected to grow so weary of her husband so quickly, but she should've known that people don't change overnight and once a ski bum always a ski bum.

LeeLee said...

There will never be "enough" for Kate who's appetite for wealth and fame is insatiable.

Enough for us?....they jumped that shark a long time ago.

Chris said...

I think Abraham Lincoln said it best...some people are as happy as they mean to be. I think Take (I mean Kate) will never have enough to be happy. She's always wanted more...more children, a bigger house, more vacations etc. It's unfortunate that the family seems to come in a distant second to the more.

Vicki said...

Seashell, I think you have said the exact thing I would have said.
I'll only add I believe the only thing that will stop J&K is if something terrible happens. (Hope I am wrong) One with an ounce of common sense would think as Parents J&K would have noticed the way the Children have been filmed has been exploitive but their greed has blinded them.

ThreeFarmers said...

For me, it became too much when Jon was able to quit his job.

zoey said...

They should have realized they were playing with fire and stopped the show when one of the boys declared he wants to be a boom mic when he grows up.

Serena said...

One with an ounce of common sense would think as Parents J&K would have noticed the way the Children have been filmed has been exploitive but their greed has blinded them.

I agree, you can't count on parents who are raking in the money by exploiting their children to recognize the true nature of the beast, much less be willing to cut their losses and put an end to it.

I think TLC is taking more heat each day for this type of program and it is even spawning WORSE programming now with the little beaty pagent girls show upcoming.

Speaking of parents who won't stop the exploitation even when it is right in front of their eyes, child beauty pageant mothers are just as bad as KON - see Child Beauty Queen at 'Serious Risk'.

Serena said...

Shots of kids on the potty, shots of kids partially clothed, and shots of kids in the shower that never needed to be part of the show are forever out there for anyone to see.

Even worse, footage of true full nudity -- not partial, not blurred -- is out there and with questionable security measures in place to keep it from public view. In fact, that lack of adequate security has already resulted in a breach.

Can you imagine agreeing to let ANYONE just come in and film your children in full nudity and then saying it's OK because it won't be aired? Or it's OK because it will be blurred before being aired? The fact that unrelated adults are filming that kind of stuff in the first place is all kinds of wrong; never underestimate the perversion of a pedophile.

These children truly are being viewed only as marketable commodities, with absolutely NO boundaries that any parent with an ounce of common sense would put into place.

Krissy said...

Enough was enough a long time ago. This family is purely taking advantage of their situation. In the beginning, yes, it was cute and they seemed to be able to connect with the average family. Now, we see a new commercial each week. U recall in the beginning when they were sharing with us how they made do with what they had. Yes, they had been given clothing, toys, etc. Who wouldn't want to help a family with eight small kids? But when corporate sponsors begin getting involved to the point where J&K have to take a few moments to explain how they use a particular product, that is where the line should have been drawn. And after last weeks tragic display of degradation of Mady's teeth, enough was certainly enough then.

June said...

Great Post.It is so sad but I dont think anything will ever be "enough" especially for Kate.



What was the breach of security? I missed that.

00784 said...

How can I find out when "Surviving Sextuplets and Twins" is showing again? I've checked TLC's schedule and I don't see it listed. Please help if you know...thanks!

Sunny said...

The only thing Katie Irene relates to anymore is a witch on her broom!
Great post Fostersmom!

Mary said...

I thought this was an excellent post. I agree with others that there will never be enough for them. They will stop at nothing to make money off of their children.

I think it's even getting worse because now that the children are getting older they feel it's OK to leave them more. Jon and Kate are now having fun being able to travel everywhere without having to take 8 children with them. They may have to take a little time out of their trips for say a speaking engagement to make it look like work but you know they are having a ball.

It will be very interesting to see how these children are as teenagers. I cannot imagine Kate being able to deal with them at an age when they will probably start rebelling. Jon, who I feel is very immature, will be fine. When they are teenagers he will be the same age as they are mentally. I'm sure he will relate to them with no problem. When they start to complain to Kate I can just hear her reminding them of the sacrifices she and Jon made so they could have everything.

So many people are making money and getting free publicity off of the children. When some of these people are doctors who do tummy tucks and hair plugs - I mean really, how low can you get?

MISSY MAE said...

The show has changed as well as Jon and Kate plus TLC itself. Everything changed whenever deep pocket Oprah came into the picture and took over.
Oprah bought TLC, Discovery channel and whatever other stations out there and they have all changed.
Over all these years of watching Oprah---going back to the beginning---before she has been in full control. Her show has changed and so has everything around her (Dr. Phil, Rachel Ray, and now Jon and Kate)
Money talks---money helps you take vacations, buys new $$ houses, new things and hire people do things for you.
I have something I want everyone keep a look out for at the little ones fifth birthday.
Whenever the sextuples were born there were a lot of companies, stores and people in and around Berks County, PA that promised they would help them out for the first five years of the babies’ lives.
Just until Jon and Kate could get on their feet and have all eight kids in school for six to eight hours a day so they could work (meaning Jon and Kate, not the eight kids). Well the two biggest items that were promised are the vans on loan for 5 years. Next were free hair cuts and shoes.
But I also have a question too; I know they are paid so much for each show or episode. What I am wondering now is what they might be getting for all those reruns.
For god sake I hope each child is set up with their own personal trust funds. They are the ones that are going to really need it.
Thank you for your time.

Mom Who ? said...

I had "enough" in the episode where the family was at the furniture store and Kate was more interested in the bunkbed catalog than in her own son, Collin, crying from constipation.

How could a mom be so cold and heartless ?

nomorekonartists said...

How much is enough?

I am not so sure that there will ever be enough. When this show first started it was nice. My husband and I were both amazed and awestruck that this couple were able to take care of sextuplets as well as twins. Both Jon and Kate seemed like everyday people that were just trying to get by in life. Although, I will have to say that Kate was probably the mean self serving person then that she is now she just did not show it as much on this special.
Now this show has turned into one big walking commercial. Jon and Kate, the sponsors, and T.L.C. are now all using each other for monetary gain. At the same time, the kids are the ones that are suffering. They are the ones that have no voice. Only their parents can say that they enjoy being on television, like they have in the past-and this is what people hear. However, is this really the truth?
For both Jon and Kate it seems like sadly their lives revolve around making money off their children. Whether this means that Kate has to go stream lies at a speaking engagement in order to milk people of their money, or selling pictures of their children to God knows who in order to make an extra $20 dollars to put toward a condo in Utah. Nothing matters to them anymore, even their own children. So, how much is enough? It is never enough once you are used to living a certain life style, no matter who you have to use to get there.

kate is a cocky bitch said...

great post and might I add, even of the kids are asking for these items it doesn't mean they're entitled to it. I think that's what I dislike the most about Kate. Her total sense of entitlement.

FXfanatic said...

I feel stupid for asking this but what is HOM???

etownie said...

I believe they're financial struggles in the first two specials were blown out of proportion. In the spring of 2007 I ran into Kate at the local grocery store (I live in Etown) i was so excited but she was quite rude..anyway...i then started doing some research on local sources about them and learned what a lot of us now know. They seemed to have gotten a lot of help even with the twins...Jon came from a well to do family who later inherited a substancial amt. of cash when his father passed away..the freebies and gift cards they got when the tups were born would have had them set for a really long time..these two have been total scam artists from the beginning.

alana said...

fxfanatic,

HOM means high order multiples.

It took me a long time to figure this out because I never asked - I was the real dummy!

Adrienne said...

fostersmom said...
But it’s getting really hard to believe that all of these things are for the kids and not for the parents. I doubt the kids were clamoring for a 25 acre spread or barns or guest cottages. A dog and a pool, maybe, but not a kitchen equipped with granite countertops and stainless steel appliances. All purchased with money earned for the price of eight childhoods.
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I could not agree with you more! J/K would probably say that the kids didn't earn all the money...after all the parents are on the show too. Yes, J/K are on the show, but they wouldn't even HAVE a show without their kids.

J/K would also say that they buy things the kids want. Yes, ALL kids want toys and would love a dog and a pool. But this whole family would be better off if J/K bought only the things they needed and put the rest in savings for the kids. Perhaps they already are, but what we've all seen doesn't lead me to think so.

This show really is done. J/K still have a lot of kids, but I personally am not interested in watching a show about a wealthy, privileged family with 8 kids. Not that I begrudge the family their money. Just take the money, do something smart with it, and pull the plug on this sham of a show.

Marie-France said...

It is not enough now, nor any time soon as far as I see it. The fact that Jon-boy said during the interview in Utah that his kids are "marketable" told me everything I needed to know. They will continue as long as the kids are "marketable." As the tups and twins get older, I am sure Kate has planned ways for them to remain "marketable" over the long haul. I think many of us assumed that when the tups got older and lost the "cuteness factor," it would be over. I don't think so. KON is stupid, but they are not about to give up the gravy train. Those kids will be working in the family business for a long time yet. On another note, I do think that every time KON opens their mouth, it is another nail in their coffin. Let them keep talking and that's what will stop the gravy train.

KathyMJ said...

Adrienne said...
This show really is done. J/K still have a lot of kids, but I personally am not interested in watching a show about a wealthy, privileged family with 8 kids.
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You've got it! Every TV show runs its course, and I think this one is at that point. The novelty has worn off. At the beginning, it was "Wow! Look at all the kids they have! How do they take care of all those babies? How do they afford to live?"

Now, the kids are more older and more self-sufficient and the family has much, much more money. Jon and Kate would have to outright lie to try to convince people they're still struggling. Oh, wait...

Kate {not the bad one} said...

I thought once the kids got older the show would stop...they wouldn't be as "marketable" [to quote Mr. Jon Gosselin]. I think I was wrong. Folks on here talk often about what the kids will be like as teenagers, so perhaps JK are hoping to continue to that point. I doubt the kids would stand for it at that point though...they'd be old enough to stage a revolt :)Those two absolutely sicken me.

Carolone said...

39 more epi's and counting. . .

wrokingmommy said...

John and Kate claim they go on cross country and day trips to provide their children with family memories and experiences for their children to build their character upon. But I have to question how authentic these experiences are considering the places appeared to be cleared of all other people. Is this for Kate's convince? Yes, we will come for free, let you feed us and provide us free souvenirs, but you must close the place to everyone else. Even though the annoying factor of other people has been removed for her she continues to be rude to the people who work at these places. God forbid her children spill something or walk too slow she express her disappointment and annoyance with them that is going to replace any type of good family memories. Having private access to amusement parks and children’s indoor parks is an accommodation that is appropriate for the president and his children, but come-on for a self-absorbed, bossy, know -it –all?

Karen said...

Bravo for that well-written piece, fostersmom. I think a lot of the fans and sheeple need to read this and REALLY think to themselves why it is okay to keep supporting these people.

I honestly am extremely curious as to how the children will turn out at this point, say 10 years later.

Christa said...

HGTV sometimes uses our house for commercials. They've been here a total of THREE times in the last year. On the last shoot, my daughter (who not only looks like Maddy but has a lot of her same personality) put a note on her door (very similar to the one Maddy put on her door) that said: "No Adults Allowed".

At the time, we had a production crew of about 18 people here. My daughter was trying to protect the only sanctuary she had.

Again, this was after only having a crew over here THREE times in the last year (my daughter wasn't even here for the first shoot). And keep in mind, they only film our HOUSE and NOT our family.

Based on that experience, I can only imagine how Mady feels having the cameras in her house 3-4 times a week - EVERY week - in her face. I would NEVER allow that. Once every few months is plenty here... and as a matter of fact, next time they come I'm going to make sure we get the kids totally out of the house.

The producers were so nice last time... gave us a little money to have a 'family night out'. We went to dinner and saw the movie Bedtime Stories together. We had a wonderful time as a family together. No cameras... just us.

momof1plus1plus2 said...

It won't be enough until TLC finally gets them off the air. Kate and Jon will never say enough because they are enjoying the money and freebies too much.

Money unfortunately changes some people and it has totally taken over any perspective that Kate and Jon had in the beginning.

They aren't parents anymore really. Their kids are raised by others while they travel. They never go anywhere without a bunch of people helping them out. At this age, Jon and Kate should be able to take the kids out at least once in awhile without a group of people helping them out. I have an autistic 7 year old, a six year old, and twin 20 month olds and I manage to take them all over the place by myself all the time. If I can do it with four, they could do it together with 8.

Travis Noodle said...

Great post fostersmom.

You know I've been thinking about this and I don't think J&K will ever have enough to sate their "taker" mentality.

Some are "givers" and some are "takers"...It's just how people are.

J&K are "takers" who use and manipulate people for their own gain. They won't change.

Cancelling the show might wake them up and bring them down to reality.

Erin said...

wow... just saw this link (http://tripletconnection.org/triplet_forum/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=135&topic_id=87953&mesg_id=87953&listing_type=search), and look what jon said

"The only way it really works is if the labor and material are donated to you by a nonprofit company. (ie. church, firecompany, anyone with a tax id #) Then anyone who donates can write off the donation. I am not an accountant but trust me this is something I have learned in the last year. Normal people are not accustomed to instant fame and fortune. Yes it is nice to be in the spotlight for alittle while, but let me tell you something if you want privacy ever again FORGET IT!!!! Everyone knows where you live and that scares me.


Daddyof8
TWIN GIRLS 10/08/2000
SEXTUPLETS BBB GGG 05/10/2004
www.sixgosselins.com"

hmmm, i guess he changed his mind!

Erin said...

more: "Don't get me wrong. I loved the house. But as a father of 8 kids
4 year old twins GG and 10 month old sextuplets BBB GGG it is a big change in the monthly bills from 2000 sq. ft to 5200 sq.ft. I wonder what the utilities are a month. Here they went from mortgage free (community donated $ to pay off mortgage) to a reaccessment of $2 million house. Maybe 5200 sq. ft is too much. If it were me I would be worried about paying my new bills. Also we were on a tv show that supposedly donated all the building materials then why did I get a 1099-misc income form for $59000 from NBC. Interesting? I pray and hope ABC doesn't do the samething to the Harrises. Otherwise I am happy for them. I know how much work it is and I know what it is like to lose your income. After we found our we were having six kids my employer told me that he couldn't afford our insurance and he fired me. I tried to fight in court but in PA "fire at will" is legal. So I was unemployed for 8 months. You might ask "I thought insurance isn't based upon qunatity of kids?" It depends on the policy. But employers might think of down the road problems. These kids could all be high risk. So all in all CONGRADULATIONS HARRIS FAMILY!!!!!!! Just be careful. Take it day by day or moment by moment. GOD will take care of you!!!"

hmmmm.

MsPeabody said...

I don't think it will ever be enough for Kate although I think the public has had enough, more than enough.

MsPeabody said...

Serena said: Speaking of parents who won't stop the exploitation even when it is right in front of their eyes, child beauty pageant mothers are just as bad as KON - see Child Beauty Queen at 'Serious Risk'.


I totally agree! I Never will understand parents who dress, put make-up, false teeth, false eyelashes, etc. on little ones. I would think a beauty pageant would be about real beauty w/out all the false stuff. And the things these parents have their little ones do, with all the shaking the hips and what not. Puts them out there for all the sicko's to watch. These parents need a wake-up, child exploitation at its worst!

MsPeabody said...

Mary said...
I thought this was an excellent post. I agree with others that there will never be enough for them. They will stop at nothing to make money off of their children.

I think it's even getting worse because now that the children are getting older they feel it's OK to leave them more. Jon and Kate are now having fun being able to travel everywhere without having to take 8 children with them. They may have to take a little time out of their trips for say a speaking engagement to make it look like work but you know they are having a ball.

It will be very interesting to see how these children are as teenagers. I cannot imagine Kate being able to deal with them at an age when they will probably start rebelling. Jon, who I feel is very immature, will be fine. When they are teenagers he will be the same age as they are mentally. I'm sure he will relate to them with no problem. When they start to complain to Kate I can just hear her reminding them of the sacrifices she and Jon made so they could have everything.

So many people are making money and getting free publicity off of the children. When some of these people are doctors who do tummy tucks and hair plugs - I mean really, how low can you get?


I agree but I do think the doctor who did the tummy tuck did so mostly because his wife asked him to and when Kate asked him if he could do a boob job at the same time, he suggested she buy the proper fitting bra. HA, I thought that was hilarious!

se said...

It amazes me the Gall these people have! (jmo) My kids USED to watch. I don't even DVR anymore. It's a waste of time.

wildflowers said...

I would think that TLC would be a bit more careful what they show (nudity,etc). If anything should ever happen due to what was shown, I would think TLC would have some responsibility in this. After all, J&K are either to dumb to know better or just don't care. Are their corporate lawyers okaying this?
I'm not a dr. but I can't believe that any of these kids will be 'normal' and unaffected by all of this. Former child 'stars' talk about how hard it was for them. But throw in that J&K belittle their kids, make fun of them, etc. That in itself could create extreme personality disorders, but these idiots do it on TV!

nc resident said...

Can you imagine agreeing to let ANYONE just come in and film your children in full nudity and then saying it's OK because it won't be aired?

Serena how did that happen? Thats a question I would like to know. How did unaired or edited footage reach the internet unedited? Fostersmom, I think you have summed up alot of the reason people have become disenchanted with the show. It went from a moving documentary to an infomercial. But the cautious viewer that has done a little research knows that even the initial episodes were not accurate. Even by the J&K website praise list they had alot more help than the show ever revealed. What I feel is most deceptive were the one-on-one days from last episode. We were given the impression they could not afford those days out very often. That seem less than a genuine statement.

Charlie Rose said...

"Branding and marketing looks to be the new parental priority instead of homework and playtime."

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The show is our life and our life is our show! Don't forget that the Gosselins don't know what their priorities are anymore. Truly sad when eight young children's lives are in their hands.

Marie France said...

MsPeabody said...
Serena said: Speaking of parents who won't stop the exploitation even when it is right in front of their eyes, child beauty pageant mothers are just as bad as KON - see Child Beauty Queen at 'Serious Risk'.


I totally agree! I Never will understand parents who dress, put make-up, false teeth, false eyelashes, etc. on little ones. I would think a beauty pageant would be about real beauty w/out all the false stuff. And the things these parents have their little ones do, with all the shaking the hips and what not. Puts them out there for all the sicko's to watch. These parents need a wake-up, child exploitation at its worst!

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Absolutely! Have these people learned NOTHING from the Jon Benet Ramsey case??

Serena said...

Can you imagine agreeing to let ANYONE just come in and film your children in full nudity and then saying it's OK because it won't be aired?

Serena how did that happen? Thats a question I would like to know. How did unaired or edited footage reach the internet unedited?



Yes. When people defend the inappropriate filming of the Gosselin children, it's usually based on the excuse that "I've never seen nudity on air.", as if that is all that matters.

It isn't.

What matters is that non-related adults are given carte blanche to film the children in any stage of nudity for any reason. It's the FILMING that is inappropriate by itself. Of course the AIRING of it is also wrong, but the corporate lawyers manage to squelch most (not all) of that.

As I said, who would allow even the filming of their children with their dignity compromised? It's OK for a film crew to see what is not OK for the viewing public to see? Of course not, unless you are Jon and Kate and you just want more money.

Oh, and the security breach occurred a while back when the unblurred footage of Hannah standing on the changing table, fully nude, leaked to You Tube resulting in tens of thousands of views before it was yanked.

Lulu said...

This is a sad but true and very powerful post. I really like to copy & paste it to all the "fan" sites. (but somehow avoid the nasty consequences from the blinded sheeple).

I started wondering the other day about the shows end... will Jon & Kate be humble and apologetic? Will TLC turn it around and play innocent? Or will Jon & Kate pretend it was all TLC's fault/idea and they didn't get enough say in it. Who ruined who?

Mary said...

Ms Peabody said:

I agree but I do think the doctor who did the tummy tuck did so mostly because his wife asked him
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I believe that too. The thing is it could have been done privately instead of making it into an episode. I also remember that when I looked at some of the old postings from the Gosselin website, they had his picture on it and how to contact him. That's why I felt he was getting publicity off of the children. You're right, it was funny when she tried to get some "extras" and he refused.

JackfromNY said...

Someone needs to ask Jon and Kate how they would feel about being filmed at the doctors office, dentists office, half naked, sitting on the toilet or any of the other way they've gone too far in filming.

Not how they would feel if they were little kids, but how they would feel now.

I think a lot of times, people forget that little kids are people and have feelings too. Just because they might not care now, because they're too young to know about modesty, they will care when they get older.

I really feel sorry for what these kids are going to go through when they get older and their friends are downloading video of them sitting on the toilet or half naked.

Someone needs to hit J and K over the head and ask them how they would feel about being put on display like that. I'm sure their parents have pictures/video of them from that age, perhaps a first bath or something. How would they feel about those pictures being made public for anybody to see?


Does anybody know where to send Email to J&K? I really want to send them an email asking how they would feel about their naked baby pictures being plastered all over the internet.

Riika said...

fostersmom said...

When Jon & Kate Plus 8 first aired as Surviving Twins and Sextuplets and the follow up a year later, we saw a family with eight small children and years and years of bills ahead of them. It wasn’t hard for any of us to wonder how they would pay for the basics that they needed. Food, shelter, clothing, and the basic everyday needs of life add up for all of us. Few of us could imagine life in a family with two working parents and all those little kids. The daily schedule, the stress, the bills, well it was hard to begrudge Jon and Kate for allowing two one hour specials to be made. Heck, most of us could probably say that, at that time, we probably would have made the same decision.


I have to disagree. They were/are two young, healthy people. She with a nursing degree and him spoiled and lazy but not mentally-impaired, presentable enough to sell cars or something on comission and make a fairly decent living. To say that people like that couldn't raise a family of 8 kids without selling their privacy, disparages all the people just like them who are doing it the old-fashioned way...maybe with some help and hand-me downs from family and friends (which requires not being a snob and not flipping your relatives off).

Tammy H. said...

I recorded both of the 1 hour specials the other day cause it's been a while since I had seen them & I wanted to see how much change KON had made from then til now.

They were actually humble people, who laughed @ each other, joked around alot and Jon sat with his arm around Kate and her snuggled in close to him at times. She didn't correct him or badmouth him or the kids-a real change from the shows now!

That's the family I would want to see now. Kate was more loving towards the kids & SURPRISE! they even folded their own clothes.
Granted the 2nd 1hour episode was mostly about Kate and her tummy tuck, they still seemed to be a wonderful couple who loved their kids more than life itself.

If you all remember, in the 1st episode (Surviving sextuplets & Twins), they went out to eat @ a buffet with the Brown's (a set of quintuplets + 1). Jon said that Jeff Brown (the father) was his mentor (due to Jon not knowing anyone else with a large set of multiples)...well, towards the end of the meal, the camera crew was interviewing Jeff Brown (the father of the quints) and he said "I hope Jon & Kate have in their hearts what's right for the kids and I hope they try really hard to do what's best for the kids." That right there said it all! At first, the kids did come first, but that soon changed! Shame on KON, TLC and Figure 8 and any company who sponsors exploiters!

Once upon a time, I do believe they had the right things in their hearts..but lordy, how that has changed. Kate got a taste of the "good" life and threw everything else to the wind. Money, money, money is all she sees! And how to get more $ is always on her mind.

I blame Jon just as much-he could of stood up for his kids and said enough is enough but we all know Jon is spineless when it comes to Kate and her wants!

I really don't think KON thinks they are doing anything wrong-even though they are exploiting their kids for their own self gain. AND NOW TO HEAR THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A CABIN IN UTAH???That's something Jon wants...those kids didn't like the trip, well Cara did, but that's just another thing Jon wants for himself...Kate hates cold weather, as she has told us many times! I could understand if they were looking for a beach house, cause the kids loved that, but Utah-just shows me Jon doesn't care anymore either, he is going to get what he wants and Kate has taught him well.

I feel so sorry for these kids. Their childhood was(is)never a childhood, they couldn't be themselves and never had privacy...let's just say those days are lost to them and KON doesn't care cause they have what they want and will keep on until someone steps in and makes them stop!

nc resident said...

Serena said:
Oh, and the security breach occurred a while back when the unblurred footage of Hannah standing on the changing table, fully nude

Then how did it get on youtube thats the scary part.

Hoot said...

I think last week TLC was showing the first specials for J&K and Little People Big World, the lead-ins to both series. If you saw them last week as I did, with the knowledge of the shows now, you can really see how one family has changed and the other has not.

I believe J&K needed help initially. But they took total advantage and have taken the help to a whole other level (as most would agree).

But if you look at the Roloffs, they were hard working then as well as now. Both Amy and Matt could very easily turn to their parents and family for help. Instead, Matt dreams big and works hard to achieve those dreams. Amy is supportive and works two and three jobs (at one point) just to make sure ends are meeting. And any day of the week if I had Matt asking me for a donation or Jon, Matt would win hands down. Not because he's physically handicapped--and I'm not sure if that is politically correct, I'm not trying to offend anyone. But because he is working to get what he wants and needs.

And it's not about how much someone has. Because the Roloffs are doing well! But I would support any dream of Matt and Amy, just because they are not sitting around waiting for manna, I mean money, to fall from the sky.

Bunny Girl said...

I completely agree with you Hoot. I think the Roloff's are wonderful people and have love of family and friends.

I also agree with everyone mentioning the beauty pagent babies. I do not understand why there is not a law against such bull.... Those poor little children are so exploited it is sickening. What happened to the days when people let their children be children? I would NEVER have exploited my children like that. They are just put right out there for pedophiles and weirdos to see. YIK!!!!!! Shame on those parents for being so self involved.

Petunia said...

I know how much work it is and I know what it is like to lose your income. After we found our we were having six kids my employer told me that he couldn't afford our insurance and he fired me. I tried to fight in court but in PA "fire at will" is legal. So I was unemployed for 8 months. You might ask "I thought insurance isn't based upon qunatity of kids?" It depends on the policy. But employers might think of down the road problems. These kids could all be high risk. Wow, Jon, still continued that lie about being fired on the triplet board even though his employer at the utility company told the Reading Eagle the truth and Jon had to retract his being fired sob story? I guess he figured they weren't monitoring the other places he was spreading that lie so he got away with it there. And does Kate tell the lie about Jon being fired in the book Beth wrote? Or did she use the term "lost" his job without mentioning the reason for losing it was failure to show up?

nc resident said...

Petunia said:

Wow, Jon, still continued that lie about being fired on the triplet board even though his employer at the utility company told the Reading Eagle the truth and Jon had to retract his being fired sob story?

Would you mind providing that link Petunia, Ive been looking for it. Thanks

concernedviewer said...

One concern I have is that the kids will grow up to hate their parents. After all of this, the last thing they need is to float away from their parents and resent them. Even though some people might think that is what Jon and Kate deserve, I think that would be terrible. Some might also think that might be the key to a wake-up call for Jon and Kate, but it would still be sad. Especially if they expressed that resentment in a way that could be harmful to themselves. I also hope that when Jon and Kate figure out that this is wrong, they will apologize to their kids.

nc resident said...

Or did she use the term "lost" his job without mentioning the reason for losing it was failure to show up?

Kate states that Jon was terminated for "stealing time" but then makes some references to the insurance being hinted at in a hearing. What hearing she does not say I think maybe an unemployment hearing.

Amigo22 said...

The purpose of this show is supposedly to "make memories" of the children's childhoods - the childhoods that Jon & Kate aren't even letting them have, a) because of the show and b) because of Kate being so unrealistic about what she will and won't let them do.

For example, she won't even let them use markers or crayons or paint. If she actually let them do art projects, that's one proper way of creating childhood memories.

And with the number of resorts, attractions, theme parks etc the kids have been to, a great way of making holiday memories is scrapbooking (since they're too young to journal). This can be a family project, each day each of the sextuplets draws a picture of what they did that day, or their favorite activity at the place they went to, Jon/Kate writes underneath what the picture is of eg "Alexis was really excited to see the aldergator at the zoo" (or whatever) and then the twins write a few sentences.

That's one way of creating proper - and GOOD memories of the children's childhoods.

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I also feel sorry for Mady - she must cop a lot of sh*t at school as a result of the show, so it doesn't surprise me at all that every time you see her on TV she's crying or in a bad mood! She knows that whatever the cameras film, all the kids at school will see it, whether she likes it or not. I'd feel the exact same way she does if all the embarrassing moments of my own childhood (and teen years) were shown on TV!

Tammy H. said...

Never is enough for KON...why can't TLC & Figure 8 & all the sponsors find another family who really needs the help and let KON fade away.
One family that TLC should put more effort into is the Harris Family. Diamond and Chris Harris have the only surviving set of African American sextuplets (one who is autistic). They also have an older son. They are down to earth, hard working people who really would be more interesting than KON.
The dad is a teacher and the mom is a LPN who is back in college (full time)..they are really neat family who sometimes have to rely on friends and family for help, but from the couple of shows they have, it doesn't seem like they beg for anything.
I do know that one thing they did receive was a well needed new home from Extreme Makeover: Home Edition But the were grateful and didn't keep asking for more and more and more. They do it without sponsors and freebies so why can't KON?
Cause once Kate got 1 thing for free, she knew she was sitting on a gold mine (the tups')and used her kids for everything she (& Jon) wanted...and continues to do so.
Enough will never be enough for Kate...she can't be happy with anything, from Jon's hair, to Mady's blowups, to too many people being in her kitchen...why can't she see what she has and thank GOD for it-send the cameras on their way and let those little ones start to have a "normal" life? No one believes her "we're so thankful" crap anymore! or "they loved having us there" or "they love doing it for us"
I say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"!

LF said...

IMHO I predict that the show will wane (as it is starting to now) and it will eventually go off the air. When that happens, I wouldn't be surprised to hear or read that J&K filing for bankruptcy. They are so greedy and clearly nothing will ever be enough for them at this point. I see them spending, spending, spending on themselves. Once their main source of revenue is gone (the show) because the kids are growing up and maybe will not be as cute as they were at 3 years old, they will find themselves financially strapped.

That is just the feeling I get. I'm not psychic, I just have common sense and am pretty good at judging situations (like the housing market going bust. Saw that happening 2 years before it happened LOL). J&K are like the housing market, getting into things they cannot afford and when the gravy train ends, they will crash.

Petunia said...

nc resident said...

Petunia said:

snip

Would you mind providing that link Petunia, Ive been looking for it. Thanks

Appears that the Reading Eagle has changed their ability to read the archives, so my link doesn't work any longer. It was back when they had the big first birthday bash and the comments from the write up. Looks like they now charge to access the archives. Sorry.

Amigo22 said...

Petunia said...
Looks like they now charge to access the archives. Sorry.
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Why would they charge to access them? Is the money going into Jon & Kate's pockets?

Dew said...

The short answer is as long as these people are rewarded with money it will never be enough. They are money hungry. Truly unhappy people are always looking to fill the void. It is crystal clear to me how unhappy these parents are. If they were happy, they would have been satisfied with all that they have ages ago and shut the cameras off. It will never stop as long as the love of money continues (lest we forget, the root of all evil).

notakatefan said...

jack form ny asked..
Does anybody know where to send Email to J&K? I really want to send them an email asking how they would feel about their naked baby pictures being plastered all over the internet.



go to tlc web site or you can go to there site the gosselin10 or something like that.. google it. not that you will have any luck she or they probubly wont even read it unless its not from a sheeple I would contact tlc directly and tell them..while your at it tell them to stop airing these monsters will ya???

Clevemom said...

I haven;t been watching this show. We've been raising our kids and my sister has commented about Kate doing organic which we do as well, important to reduce exposure to hormones etc etc, I've caught a show here and there, but sat down with my kindergartner on a recent snow day, (maybe MLK day?) and watched a marathon. I had seen Kate on Yes to the Dress and felt vaguely queasy about the wedding reenactment that really sounded more like a hawaiian-tinged gravy train, she wasn't real kind to the sales associates at Kleinfeld's who have developed some nice personalities. . .

Le me just say this, that marathon woke me up. It's clear that every trip is orchestrated as an infomercial for some product or service, and it's not really about the kids anymore, it's more about the place they're going. . . .just how they made that experience into 4 different episodes. We barely saw any of the children represented as individuals, just the twins and really, Mady isn't shown very well in any of that, or the way her parents treat her. . .

I came here after the new house episode, b/c it was so strange that they weren't showing the exteriors or overhead view. It was weird, and I googled to find out more, had they been stalked or soemthing? And I found this blog, and the oddly named, pro-show blog. . .

Here's my observation. A whore is a woman who does intimate things for money alone. She might pretend to like it, but to see her face when she thinks no one's looking, you;d know she feels NOTHING. I don't know about Botox, but the couch interviews and their expressions while things are happening, the parents are not happy, Kate is just going through the motions. They aren't even enjoying recounting their days in the couch interviews. It's uncomfortable tension, it's gone beyond the rubbernecking at a messy carwreck, I feel like we're just spying on something dirty.

Sarah said...

My husband is very offended by this show - which I used to like a lot - and often says that they have 'jumped the shark' and are only a few episodes away from being cancelled...and then what will they do?

I say that while the show may be cancelled - I too think they have jumped the shark and pretty soon Kate won't be the in-demand spokesperson she is now - but they've been VERY canny in term of aligning themselves with the religious right, and that will provide them with income for YEARS.

I say 'canny' because while they don't push the religious angle too much in the show itself (in comparison with, say, the Duggars, who BTW are far more offensive to me in a whole lot of ways), their Bible-verse t-shirts and other references to religion mean that their high-paid speaking engagements at churches and Christian book-buying public will keep them popular (if under-the-radar for us non-churchy types) - and their income will continue unabated even if the show is cancelled.

And that will be even WORSE for the kids, in my opinion.

SusieQ said...

I just pray that whatever is best for the children and the preservation of this family unit will be the outcome... I guess no one is perfect, but it does leave a bad taste in my mouth that someone doing lip service as "Christian" would be as offensive as both of these parents are with one another, the public in genneral (ie sales clerks) and even the children... Not very Biblical behavior, in my way of thinking...

Perhaps the very best way of "protesting" would be for everyone feeling the same way, to express these viewpoints to TLC directly, as well as the advertisers of the show. Our voices may be small and somewhat bitchy or vindictive sounding, HOWEVER, if the J&K fan base dissappears, and people express their concerns and actually stop watching this show, and others like the gastly children beauty pagents, the shows will stop making money for the networks & sponsors, and be taken off the air.

I've watched J&K from the beginning and early on really admired J&K and their teamwork, and felt they were a charming God-centered family with tons of potential. The whole wedding shows turned the corner for me, and now its like a runaway horse: time to yank the reins and bring it to a halt!
So, copy your posts to TLC and the Sponsors and keep the kids in your prayers, they are really going to need it! Because with he show off the air, J&K will have to take responsibilities for their actions, and come back to real life -- the ultimate reality show!