The Gosselins and God

I know mentioning religion can be a very touchy subject but I have to say that people like Kate are the type who turn me off to religion.

I was watching a program once where someone made a statement I thought was so true.
They said: "people who constantly say things that happen in their life are ‘God's will’ are people who don't want to take responsibility for their actions"

This is, in my opinion, exactly what Kate is doing. Everything they have done is God's will. Since God is apparently responsible for the show that is exploiting the children then if the children are made fun of by their classmates or end up with emotional problems they have no one to blame but God.

I also feel that from here on in Jon and Kate are going to use religion to extend their income. I believe that with all the controversy going on they see that the end could be near. In order to keep things going longer they are now going to focus more on religion. They know that if they go to churches for their speaking engagements and use God in every other sentence they will have a loyal following.

I am assuming, like so many other viewers, that they are not close to family or friends any longer. In my opinion, when the show ends and the money stops coming in, they will decide that they want them back in their lives. I think they will again use religion as a means to get back the good graces of others. They will ask for forgiveness from all those they pushed aside, for example, the volunteers from the church congregation and of course, they will be forgiven, because that is what the congregation is told to do.

My comments are not meant as a discussion on religion itself but the way some people use it to their advantage.

If the show ends, don’t worry about the Gosselins. All will be forgiven!


Submitted by Annie

39 comments:

Irish-Gal said...

I agree with what you're saying. It's beginning to feel like an act. There have been what, 60 or 70 episodes? One can only blame editing to a point; I think we would have seen more about their faith by now if it was as strong as they say.

I also feel like Kate, deep down inside, knows there are issues with her family. It's like in her mind, if she keeps telling herself that's she's Christian, all will be forgiven. We all make mistakes, but I only feel one can keep passing them off so many times.

Lucky said...

Annie,

Yes! Could not agree more.

RuthinVA said...

Kate has always had to have someone or something to blame her actions on. Now the pressure is on so, she is stepping out of the box and using God as her new way to excuse and justify. A lot of people will fall for it. But, I think it shows she is starting to crumble. Where to go after God, who higher can you blame it on.

JenInWisc said...

In my experience, anyone who needs to point out that they're a Good Christian usually is not.

AUNTY K.K. said...

I really hear what your saying, but we, who are Christians, have to say, "God, and only God, is the one who knows the TRUE heart!".

God will be the one to 'judge' on the day they die, and even though we on 'earth' find what they are doing extremely horrible, God knows the 'REAL HEART" and they will be accountable.

Now, stating that, we also have a job. That job is making others, esp. the Christian outlets, (books/stores/churches/etc.), more AWARE of what Kate/Jon are doing.

We need to SPEAK up and BE HEARD, and then, when and if, Kate and Jon do go to these 'outlets' after their show has stopped. And if they apologize, and then 'beg' for more, these people will have to 'pray hard' to determine, and listen to the "real God" as to, "should they give to them or not".

Yes, many 'faiths' teach 'forgiveness', but churches also teach, "to be aware of 'false prophets'", and that doesn't just mean people who profess to be 'leaders speaking about God', it also includes people 'speaking falsly'.


Yes, people like K/J can, and DO, turn non-Christians away from the true GOD, due to their words/actions. This is extremely SAD! This is why, again, we need to spread the word!

Then, if K/J are crying poor, with a huge home, food in their mouths, clothes on their backs, etc..hopefully, the church-followers will 'see through this'.

A strong Church doesn't always 'just give', they usually spend time in 'deep prayer' to determine the right way to 'help others'. BUT, saying this, and IF, Jon/Kate DO receive money/items from Christians in the future, REMEMBER GOD will honour that person(s). K/J will be accountable for being 'greedy' but those who 'give' will be 'rewarded' by GOD for not being 'judgemental'...as those who give unconditionally are truly blessed...yes, sometimes that means being 'used' by others, but GOD sees the 'whole' picture, and if 'we' can HOLD onto that 'scene' it greatly benefits our 'innerself'! ( For lack of a better word right now).


I know I've helped others, esp. children, numberous times in the past, and been verbally abused by some adults in the process---but, I know God will be 'glad' that I helped a child..and 'ignored'what othes said...it was difficult...but the only thing I held onto was: "knowing I made a difference in the life of a child", and maybe, by 'helping/giving', that 'child' they may turn into a better adult....AND, I didn't do it for "points" in God's eyes, but I think I will see a big 'smile' from 'God" for doing these things...that's all I want...mind you, sometimes, at a point, I"ve had to walk away from certain situations as they 'eventually' pulled me 'down'..but I did what I could...right or wrong in the eyes of 'humans'...

Once your a Christian you see things, that is 'life', in a different perspective!

---I hope I've given you a different way to look at a Christian....Anf, this is just one way to answer your question! And, it is just IMO.
THANKYOU for listening!!

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

Kate reminds me of all the people that end up in jail. For some "reason" they all find God.

I can't remember Kate using God's name in the past, like she does now. Do you think her PR people are telling her to do that?

It Is Up To Him said...

Some people do use religion as an excuse and a catch all for everything that happens in their lives. However I do believe that what ever happens to us is Gods will. He gives us choices and its up to us what we choose, but ultimately He is the one giving us the choices so He is directing our lives.

Lucky said...

The difference between Kate and other Christians?

Kate counts her ble$$ings one dollar bill at a time......

selizabethhall said...

Take one look at her actions, do not listen to her words. If she is a Christian, she has a real funny way of showing it. I am not going to fall for this sham, it is just one more in a long line of them.

Katemakesmesick said...

It's interesting that this topic came up today.

We were at church this morning, and someone said to me, "Your little girl looks just like one of the J and K plus 8 kids. She's so cute!"

I said, "Yeah, it's Alexis. Thank you."

This led to me saying, "You know Kate is coming here in a few weeks to speak, right?"

Well, they didn't know, and they were very excited.

I didn't want to say much and seem all judgmental, but I said, "Yeah, I am not terribly happy about it. I have very mixed feelings about her."

(Really, my feelings aren't mixed at all, but I was trying to be somewhat diplomatic.)

The woman said, "Well, Kate is the first person to admit that she's not perfect. She is very blunt and honest. You'd have to be honest with all of those cameras in your house."

I was shocked that the word she used was "honest." HUH?! That is the LAST thing Kate is.

I just said, "Well, I am not sure Kate is all that honest. If you go searching for things, you'll find out."

She was like, "Huh?"

I just said, "I don't want to say much, but if you look online, you'll find things."

I felt bad talking about this at church, especially because the woman seemed like a big fan, but I couldn't just say nothing.

I guess I am still REALLY blown away by people who still think her behavior is appropriate or that think she has any business speaking at churches and claiming they're inspirational. I mean, before I read ANYthing online, I was like, "This is NOT a kind person."

Anyway, I am still embarrassed that she is coming to our church. I will have to report back afterwards.

I am sure she'll give the same scripted answers she gave in the Christianity today article. I would love it if our pastor asks her some hard questions, but it's doubtful.

Dew said...

God is a convenient, giant cop out for Kate. She has misconstrued everything the Christian religion is supposed to be about. I think if she sat down with any pastor at random across the U.S., 99 percent would tell her to quit the show if there's even a QUESTION it could be bad for the children, and remind her of the passage it is easier for a camel to make it through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. Most if not all of them would say it is her choice what she is doing here. Yes God gave her eight healthy children, but the buck stopped there. Most Christians do not believe we are puppets on strings. We make our own choices, a gift called FREE WILL. I agree with you, Kate will forever blame God for this mess. She can't even take responsibility for the smallest of mistakes, I wouldn't expect her to take responsibility for the more major ones either. Quite frankly, she is no better than the televangelist religious scam artists and hypocrites through the years as she continues to hit the road with her sob story, meanwhile moving into a $$$$1.3 million estate. Her downfall just may be when people finally wake up to this scam, rather than the majority of viewers finally accepting that all this filming is horrible for the children.

Vanilla Latte said...

I totally agree with your post.
Turn off the sound and watch Kate's actions.

Plus her story always changes. It's the blame game and 1 excuse after another. Who knows what to believe. She'll say anything and use anyone in order to garner more attention and money.

Kate's brand of Christianity is foreign to me. Who prays for material items?

ThreeFarmers said...

Such a well-stated post.

When the you-know-what hits the fan, Jon and Kate will never take responsibility for their actions.

This is a great misuse -- dare I say abuse -- of faith.

WENDY said...

It's her own cosmic cash machine.

Cindi said...

Jon and Kate posted a list of CHRISTIAN FAMILY RULES in the garage in one episode and had the twins read them off. One of the rules were that they should honor,respect and love family always.I wonder if there was a footnote that said. "But this doesnt pertain to Aunt Jodi,Uncle Kevin,our cousins and our maternal grandparents and our paternal grandmother. This really bugs me when teaching kids how to pick and choose who we are to love.

Nadia said...

My Grandfather (who raised me most of my life well my parents were with my brother in the hospital with Kidney failer for years at a time) had a saying that he would tell me everyday before I went out the door.

"You may be the only Bible that some people ever read, if they can not see Gods love in your every word and action then you have failed them and you may never get that chance back."

Thank you for this post! God is love, wants peace and love for all. If you are a true Christan then you can not help but show Gods love in all the things that you do.

"What you have done for the least of these, so have you done unto me" Sorry I dont know where that is from in the Bible but it is one thing I would love for Kon to read over and over.

MikeMom said...

JeninWisc.....Amen to that!

Gina said...

Kate acts like God is a Magical Jeannie that all you have to do it rub it and your wish will be granted. She has some nerve to actually think that God blessed her and her fmaily with so many material things. If she really is a "Thinker" then she would really know how it works. The material things that she and her family has NOTHING to do with God's belssings.

Dunwoody Mom said...

Kate and Jon are this generations Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker. Invoking the name of God to line their own pockets.

PKD-in-Illinois said...

My aunt has always been uber religious. No matter what is going on, it's because of Jesus. SHE is one of the reasons I've turned away from organized religion. But I digress ...

My aunt was heartbroken several years ago when they found out their daughter (my cousin) was a crack-head.

My cousin stole their checkbook and wrote nearly $2,000 worth of bad checks in order to buy drugs. They found out about it and were able to stop the checks before the account overdrafted.

And my Aunt said, "Jesus was so wonderful to let us know what was going on before we overdrafted." And my Uncle (who has the driest sense of humor) said, "You'd think Jesus could've let us known she stole the checkbook in the first place."

Kate is like my Aunt. She uses religion when it's convenient. If something good happens, it's because of God. If something bad happens, it's because of God. People like that don't ever accept responsibility for their actions because GOD is doing it all.

ScarySkierNewJersey said...

"Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we told you, so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so that you will not be dependent on anybody."

I Thessalonians 4:11&12 (NIV)

In the very beginning of the show, starting with the specials, I did believe J&K were Christians trying to do what was right. They did thank God for 6 healthy although early babies, they did seem grateful, if even for a little while with the help they were getting with the tups. They talked about going to church, they had bible verses placed where they could they could read, study and live them, but sadly it all began to fall apart the more J&K were on tv. I agree with JeninWisc that people that have to keep reminding us they are good christians usually aren't. That is the case with J&K. They fail to even follow "honor they father and mother". I would have to say unless you parents have killed someone, molested someone or flat out stolen from you, there should be no earthly reason they are out of your lives, My mom god rest her soul and I butted heads many times over the years, but I NEVER cut her out of my family's life. She was an important part of who they are. The fact that neither side of the grandparents are involved is a giant red flag!

Going to church, wearing biblical t shirts for all the world to see and using the phrase "God has provided/blessed us" does not make you a good christian. I guess the fact that God hasn't provided me with free trips, a new million dollar house etc etc means that I am not blessed by God? On the contary, although we have to get up and work everyday, my hubby and I have been blessed with good careers, kids that stumble every now and again but are hard working members of society and a full contingent of extended family and friends. That is more than I can say for J&K!

Aunty K.K. said...

Dear Katemakesmesick...


I would have said to the person, "PLEASE, look and research this family". and if they asked me why I'd say, "because they are frauds and using the Lord God's name in the wrong way"...

I certainly wouldn't be 'ashamed' of stating this, especially in church.

HEre's another way of looking at it:
If you knew someone was a thief, was a fraud, was hurting someone, esp. children, would you stay QUIET?

So, then, I believe GOD wants us to "speak the truth" and therefore, be NOT ashamed of what is "truth"...

that being said, the "truth" is,
The Gosselin parents are committing 'fraud' by taking money from numberous 'church' going people, and 'stating' the 'poor-me' syndrome, and this is wrong in God's eyes.

They are also, promoting 'Christianity' in the wrong way...and people who don't know God are being 'influenced' by these people...and that is so wrong!!...Kate/Jon are actually 'turning' people away from Christianity...

That is worse than anything...even look at some of the posts over the last few days, and how people who don't believe in God are now 'wondering' what kind of God there is, that serves Kate in the capacity she says.


So, be not ashamed of passing on the truth my friend!

Somewhereinoh said...

God: The most popular scapegoat for our sins.

Mark Twain

RUINED said...

So, then, I believe GOD wants us to "speak the truth" and therefore, be NOT ashamed of what is "truth"...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My thoughts exactly. Why aren't more people INCLUDING TLC pulling the plug on this travesty of a show? This isn't about entertainment. This is about people's lives being ruined.

Lulu said...

Kate pretends to be Christian because the viewers like it. But nothing about her actions OR her words is very Christian AT ALL.
The time Collin fell down on the airplane and Kate blamed God was ridiculous.... God doesn't punish little 4 yr old children with physical abuse. Give me a break, Kate!

Vicki said...

I agree with Dunwoody Mom, J&K are todays Jim and Tammy Faye. My
first Mother-in-Law use to send
them $$$$$$ all the time. It took
alot to convience her of their
sham. There is no doubt in my mind if she were still living, she would be sending J&K $$$$ as well. She was just a nice, old
woman with a large heart who had a hard time understanding how some people take advantage of folks like her. THOSE are the type of people J&K are going after. Just knowing that eventually Jim and Tammy Faye's sham came to light gives me hope that the same with happen to J&K. I do just
care about the Children. I could care less about J&K. Kate especially,IMO, is not fit to raise a child (Think dark, cold laundry room floor with ill child).

Dew said...

Actually now that I think about it, the atrocity is not so much what Kate and Jon are doing to their children in the name of God, but that more Christians aren't speaking out and putting a stop to it. In fact many churches appear to have embraced this family, hopefully simply because they have been conned by the Kons. The Bible CERTAINLY instructs Christians to speak out when bad things happen, to protect children as they are "the least of these," to not turn your back on those who need it.

laura linger said...

She's a liar. The whole "putting my faith in GAWD" thing is just part of their schtick.

Polly said...

So that's why she has such a superiority complex. God just loves her so much more then the rest of us pagans and heathens. Hell, if we were as Godly as she was we'd all have sextuplets and 1.3 million dollar homes with trips to ski, renew vows on islands and spa days every week. We all need to pray to be more like the holy saint katie irene. More like she's the dim one being tempted by Satan and leading others to follow her example and they are too blind to see the devil for all the goodies. All the fire and brimstone explains her hair.

Ravello said...

"Kate and Jon are this generations Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker. Invoking the name of God to line their own pockets."

WORD!
How true this is, Kate and Jon are definitely a couple of KON artists. Kate and Jon are not only hiding behind Christianity but also hiding behind their cute little kids.

IN THE MIDDLE said...

God gave us all the gift of free will. He did not want to force us to love Him or follow Him or live for Him. Otherwise, He would have just created robots and forced us to believe in Him and His Son, Jesus Christ and that would be a form of abuse.

With this free will, many people choose to make wrong choices that can and do go against God's will. And then those same Christians/people will rationalize what they are doing by saying that this is God's will for me &/or my family. When in reality they are living & going against the will of God.

I believe that some of the things that Jon and Kate are doing falls into this catagory.

Kate and Jon are in troubled waters with Greed, Pride, and selfishness. These tups and twins are being exploited because they are supporting the family and living in a fish bowl. They are not being given a "normal" childhood and when these children become older, it is going to bite Jon and Kate in their rear end. Then what are they going to do?

Remember, Jon and Kate would NOT have this T.V. show (which is bringing in their income, all the free perks--free trips, clothes, toys, etc., love offerings and money from the book and the pictures of the tups & twins that they sell) if it were NOT for the tups! Jon and Kate are living off of their children! When it is the responsibility of the parents to work, bring in the income and support the family.

I don't know how Jon and Kate are NOT feeling some amount of guilt and shame, if they are truly Christians, which I feel they are. But even Christians can make mistakes/sins and bad choices that do go against "God's Will".

I do believe that Jon and Kate have been very blessed in having eight beautiful, healthy children. Each of their kids are wonderfully made in God's image and for a purpose. They have been very blessed with all of the donations and help and support that they received when the tups were babies.
Now...Kate and Jon are taken advantage of people's generosity. This is NOT pleasing to God and it would NOT be in his will.

Kate has revealed that only she & Jon and God understand what they are doing. And that their own family and friends do NOT understand their "family job" and the choices they make.

I really think that this may be a way for kate & jon to avoid the real issues and taking a honest look at what they are doing and at their choices. What better way to justify all of this then to say to themselves that this is God's will, so it has to be okay.

MnMs are Good said...

After(if/when) show gets cancelled and things fall apart, she'll write an 'expose' on TLC/Figure 8, how they 'ruined' her life.

IN THE MIDDLE said...

Correction-- Jon and Kate are taking advantage of people's generosity.

I'm somewhat of a perfectionist ( :

IN THE MIDDLE said...

Don't get me wrong, I am probably the minority in this blog because I do like Kate and Jon, with all of their flaws. No one is perfect.

I just think they are very misguided in their choices. And I really think that Greed has gotten a hold of Kate (because she has the drive) and Jon just follows.

I really do wish them well and I hope that they will take some inventory on themselves and their choices. It's pretty easy to get led astray (even Christians) and then start grasping at justifications.

PR said...

AUNTY K.K. said...
I really hear what your saying, but we, who are Christians, have to say, "God, and only God, is the one who knows the TRUE heart!".

God will be the one to 'judge' on the day they die, and even though we on 'earth' find what they are doing extremely horrible, God knows the 'REAL HEART" and they will be accountable.

Now, stating that, we also have a job. That job is making others, esp. the Christian outlets, (books/stores/churches/etc.), more AWARE of what Kate/Jon are doing.

We need to SPEAK up and BE HEARD, and then, when and if, Kate and Jon do go to these 'outlets' after their show has stopped. And if they apologize, and then 'beg' for more, these people will have to 'pray hard' to determine, and listen to the "real God" as to, "should they give to them or not".

Yes, many 'faiths' teach 'forgiveness', but churches also teach, "to be aware of 'false prophets'", and that doesn't just mean people who profess to be 'leaders speaking about God', it also includes people 'speaking falsly'.


Yes, people like K/J can, and DO, turn non-Christians away from the true GOD, due to their words/actions. This is extremely SAD! This is why, again, we need to spread the word!

Then, if K/J are crying poor, with a huge home, food in their mouths, clothes on their backs, etc..hopefully, the church-followers will 'see through this'.

A strong Church doesn't always 'just give', they usually spend time in 'deep prayer' to determine the right way to 'help others'. BUT, saying this, and IF, Jon/Kate DO receive money/items from Christians in the future, REMEMBER GOD will honour that person(s). K/J will be accountable for being 'greedy' but those who 'give' will be 'rewarded' by GOD for not being 'judgemental'...as those who give unconditionally are truly blessed...yes, sometimes that means being 'used' by others, but GOD sees the 'whole' picture, and if 'we' can HOLD onto that 'scene' it greatly benefits our 'innerself'! ( For lack of a better word right now).


I know I've helped others, esp. children, numberous times in the past, and been verbally abused by some adults in the process---but, I know God will be 'glad' that I helped a child..and 'ignored'what othes said...it was difficult...but the only thing I held onto was: "knowing I made a difference in the life of a child", and maybe, by 'helping/giving', that 'child' they may turn into a better adult....AND, I didn't do it for "points" in God's eyes, but I think I will see a big 'smile' from 'God" for doing these things...that's all I want...mind you, sometimes, at a point, I"ve had to walk away from certain situations as they 'eventually' pulled me 'down'..but I did what I could...right or wrong in the eyes of 'humans'...

Once your a Christian you see things, that is 'life', in a different perspective!

---I hope I've given you a different way to look at a Christian....Anf, this is just one way to answer your question! And, it is just IMO.
THANKYOU for listening!!

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Another great post Aunty K.K.!

Vicki said...

Well, I guess I'm going to Hell because I have judged J&K. That
being said, I still feel the same
and think the same about them.

Kooza said...

How do people who invoke "God's Will" rectify using science (ie fertility treatments) to interfere with "God's Will"? Seems to me if Kate couldn't get pregnant without scientific interference, then it was God's Will that she and Jon be childless.

pic said...

Another poster said:
A strong Church doesn't always 'just give', they usually spend time in 'deep prayer' to determine the right way to 'help others'

Oh, how I wish all churches were like the strong ones you describe. Churches are made up of people, who are subject to manipulation by people declaring themselves, "needy."

When one is judging J&K or not, it is just hard to watch all these resources being given to one family, while there are parents:

- without higher education,
- unemployed (because they want to work, but cannot find it,)
- who lost their homes,
- with no car,
- with no insurance,
- who are relieved to have food on the table for their kids, organic or not
- who have seriously ill children

The list goes on and on.

Who are the truly needy?

Life is Good ! said...

I'm a Catholic (and so is my husband and my extended family). When I read Kate proclaiming to be Christian and talking about how "her" God provides them with paper towels, etc, I have to laugh.

We live in a 950sq. ft. house in a modest neighborhood, with 1 school-age child.

This past year my husband was laid off from his job of 8 years, and even with a college degree and years of experience, it was 2 months of unemployment before he could find another one. We had a small savings account to get us thru, and I worked a part-time job to make ends meet.

'08 also brought my 71-year-old father's diagnoses of incurable blood cancer (polycythemia). He won't live to see another Christmas.

But you know what, folks? GOD has been very good to us ! My husband found a job, we are working on replenishing our savings account, our child is healthy, happy, and we've had a lifetime of memories with my dad !

We don't need a million dollar home, private school, organic groceries, or name-brand clothes to know that God loves us. We also do not believe that God loves us any "less" than He loves the Gosselin family just because we've had some unfortunate circumstances.

Somehow I don't think that the God I believe in is quite the same as the God that Kate Gosselin proclaims to believe in.