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MsPeabody said...

I've seen comments concerning the kids fighting with each other but I never noticed how much they fight with each other until I watched an old re-run on yesterday. Those kids were smacking, pulling hair, biting, etc.. Kate was going through old shoes and later she was sitting on her white throne not correcting any of the chaos going on as she complained about her exhaustion because Jon was busy painting. I heard her mention that she doesn't have any help anymore, which didn't make any sense to me since at the time, Carla's daughter Ashley was playing with the kids in the water, unless she was referring to Jon not helping her that day. How exhausting it must be to sit in a chair while the kids play. LOL
They also showed part of the epi where collin was so constipated but they didn't show how Jon had to take him outside and help the little guy out. I guess TLC are trying to erase some of the shock value of how neglectful Kate was to allow Collin to go through that all so Kate can have her memory. I'm sure Collin will not forget that experience, how his mother couldn't help him because picking out beds were more important at the time than his problem. I don't know how anyone can make excuses for Kate's doing nothing for Collin, it was inexcusable on her part as his mother and as a nurse!I did notice that during their interview that Jon mentions how worried he was about Collin's problem and it sounded like he was not wanting to go shopping for beds with Collin so bound up. I so wish Jon had stuck to his guns on this one and refused to let Kate drag Collin out while being in so much pain. The whole episode was disturbing even with the editing.

Onomatopoeia said...

I have a one of those little buttons that I bought in a novelty store back in the 80's and it's still stuck on the bulletin board in my office. It says (and I cleaned it up a bit):

If you follow the flock, you will step in sh*t!

There are quite a few folks out there who need to do some bodacious boot cleaning. While they're doing that, they may want to also do a little soul-searching. By following the flock that is Kon, they continue to perpetuate the fallacy that the Gosselins are doing what's best for their children. It's time to give it up.

Mary in Ohio said...

Something funny I wanted to share...

A few of my friends (some I see all the time and others that I do not) love J&K. I have forwarded them this site to let them read for themselves and almost all of them (about 5 people) refuse to watch it now! Word is spreading! :-)

Marissa said...

Some things to ponder...

I wonder what it's like in the Gosselin house these days. I wonder if all the controversy is taking a toll on the family or if they are grateful that it has kept their show going.

I wonder how Kate feels about being "exposed" and so many people thinking negatively of her and her half-truths. I wonder how Jon feels about everything that's said about Kate. Especially the stuff that he knows is true and that he agrees with. It's funny to me that Kate is always so busy acting like the superior parent and telling Jon how to parent, that she doesn't seem to have the time to actually parent! I have to say, Jon does seem like he is more in touch with reality and what the kids actually need.

I wonder if Kate treated Jon the way she does now before they got married. Who would want to be in a relationship where they were put down all of the time? If it was Jon putting Kate down the way she does him, I'm sure there would be such an outcry (more so than there is now).

It really does seem that Kate has not benefited from seeing herself on tv. She really hasn't changed for the better and I don't think "fame" agrees with her. All I can think when I watch the episodes now is that if we can't stand her after a few years just watching her on tv, imagine how her family feels dealing with her all of the time!

Also, she must realize that TLC does her no favors by re-airing the episodes all of the time. But the show must go on...

Tess said...

There's an article in the Reading Eagle that touches on the subject of reality TV shows featuring families. It mentions the Duggers and Jon and Kate plus 8.

http://www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=120444

ontoyouKate said...

I personally think that Kate does not want to have anything to do with her kids outside of taping the show. If one of them starts crying or acting out she always summons Jon. She does not play with them she always sends them downstairs, or outside. She makes all this busy work so she does not have to spend time with them. She does not need to cook she has someone do that for the family, we all this. So why she pretends that she cooks the family meals, I dont know. She could of asked one of her many secrete helpers to change out the kids clothes. She has opportunity to spend 24/7 with her children, but she does not take it. I do not believe for one moment that she lifts a finger in that house. It is done by her secrete helpers but yet she has no times for her kids. Now with this mansion they moved to. She will be able to hide from her precious little darlings, baracade herself into a room, and play on the internet. Oh and the speaking engagements and trips to the New York are a waste of time. Once the show goes off the air most people wont even rememeber this crazy woman. They will liken her to mommy dearest.

I LOVE MY SON! said...

Ms. Peabody regarding your blog I think it's pretty obvious that Kate doesn't have the compassion for those sweet boys or Alexis. If it would have been Hannah you can bet your bottom dollar Kate would have stopped everything and tended to her.

I have come to the conclusion after reading her book that Kate truly believes God wanted her to have eight children. The more Kate receives from others is justification and proof to her that this is what God has intended for her.

This is a person who should have never had children.

Onyx said...

Onomatopoeia said...
While they're doing that, they may want to also do a little soul-searching.
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Don't forget "searching one's soul" is spent! It's "searching one's wallet" that is saved.

Im sorry I couldnt resist.LOL.

Andy Fan said...

You know they could change the whole show and base it on Kate's phobias and Jon's henpecked husband status.

They could quit filming those kids today and still keep the show. All they'd need to do is change the title of the show.

I still don't understand why they have to include those poor kids - Those kids did not ask for this!

SueM said...

I just got a call from a survey company asking about movies my family and I have seen or will see soon. They wanted to know if we were planning to see "Tales of Despereaux" among others and if not why. I said definitely no to that one. When asked why...I said because the Gosselins were promoting it and I don't agree with the way they exploit their kids. The surveyor said that wasn't the first time he had heard that answer.

Tess said...

Taken from Free Discussion 1/2-1/8:

Dunwoody Mom said...
From a recent USA Today article dated 7/8/2008. Tips from Supermarket Trend tracker Phil Lembert:

"Put your kids in charge of clipping coupons and then give them a percentage of the savings as their allowance. "You'll teach them about value and get rid of a tedious job."

Tips from Kate Gosselin:

"Put your kids in charge of clipping coupons and then give them a percentage of the savings.
You'll teach them about value while they're lending you a helping hand".

Hmmmmmmmmm..........

1/09/2009 5:43 AM

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Wow! I wonder if Phil Lembert is aware of this. Way to teach your kids another value - cheating/copying.

I'm sure there are very few, if any, original tips (recipes, and on and on) that Kate can call her own. Why oh why do companies and some people not see through this?

Kim said...

Serious question here...

When this show finally does go off the air, What will we move on to?

There are thousands of children out there being forced to be in front of the camera.

The Roloffs? The Duggars? They are both on TLC getting a paycheck from them for showing their kids cute little faces.

Tess said...

Andy Fan,

They could eliminate the kids but then I think the ratings would go down. They would lose the following groups that watch: young kids (those whose parents let them watch), teenage girls and young women who are baby crazy (let's hope it doesn't make them want multiples), mothers who are too blinded by thinking Kate is someone to look up to, grandmas that watch to see the kids. They would be left with people who love to see the trashy side of a relationship.

They could do this but they know the kids are the only thing that keeps the big money rolling in.

RuthinVA said...

Andy Fan said...
You know they could change the whole show and base it on Kate's phobias and Jon's henpecked husband status.


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I think Kate's phobias are a bunch of BULL. I think she uses them when it suits her and to explain away why she acts the way she does and why she gets so mad. She only wants us to think she is super organized and has OCD to explain why she is always "doing" things instead of playing with her children. Anyone can explain away their undesirable actions by blaming them on phobias.

0-Hothead-0 said...

Favorite most uncomfortable moment from the couch confessional.

RE: Wedding epi

It was funny when they asked Jon what he liked about Kate's vows and he said "the scripture" and she was like "there was no scripture".

What wedding was he at? RoFl

Sheer Madness said...

Kate is a famewhore

God, I want to see an episode where all 8 kids rise up and go all Lord of the Flies on her and the TLC film crew.

Andy Fan said...

Tess:

Your right.

And thats why the Gosslin
explotation express chugs on.

Sharla said...

We've been getting some comments about the term McMansion. It may not truly apply to the new house. Here's the definition and it's talking about the large subdivision houses more than the custom built home where it appears the Gosselins are moving.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mcmansion

Just some info for the gentle readers consideration.

Dad of 3 said...

I dont buy into the germophobe/occ angle to explain away Kate's behavior. She would love for us all to beleive she is a clean freak because that is much more of an understandable and even almost honorable mallady to have.
So why fake that?
We are all not prewired or predestined to be great parents, some of us just are not capable. This is Kate, she is not a genuine, instinctual parent. She is aware of this and overcompensates as the cleaning parent, the organizing parent, the disciplinarian, etc.
In fact, when we see her "cleaning" we all know now that a crew or a helper has already cleaned before her, so were simply not buying it.
Cut your losses, Kate. Count your money at the table and get help for you and your kids.

Dad of 3 said...

Did anyone else catch this in the wedding episode; It was a half second long and you had to be paying attention. One of the babies walks towards a sitting, brooding kate and she snaps to the child "I dont want you". before Kate finishes the sentence the child has bolted back in the opposite direction, as if they had heard that before. Coming from a caring, nurturing mother the child would have been shocked and/or would have continued to move forward, not beleiving what they had just heard from their mother. Anyway, that was the last episode I watched and will never waste my time watching another one. Just curious if anyone else caught that snippet.

Roryz said...

I think it is time that TLC pulled the plug on Jon and Kate. What started out as a cute show about an average family coping with young multiples has turned into a cringe-worthy half hour of product placement and child exploitation.
We must realize that someday these children are going to have to cope in the real world and will have to carry the burden of how they've been depicted on television.
Therefore, Mady is labeled as "mean and ugly" by her own mother, no less. And, exactly what is interesting or amusing about a child's constipation--see poor Collin in the bed-buying episode.
One child vomits on cue, and we have heard that one of the little girls keeps saying "I'm nervous." Kate explained this as "just a new word that the child picked up." Huh?
I am reminded of Christopher Robin Milne, the son of the famous Winnie the Pooh author, A.A. Milne. The boy deeply resented his father's use of his childhood.
It's just a terrible excuse for so-called entertainment. I don't care how deeply religious these parents are; they are also deeply misguided.
Rory

Andrea said...

Ms Peabody said:
"They also showed part of the epi where collin was so constipated but they didn't show how Jon had to take him outside and help the little guy out"

I did not see this. I don't watch anymore and I remember this particular episode was very upsetting for me to watch when it first aired. That might have been the one that made me stop watching. I believe over time there have been others who noticed changes or voice overs in episodes when shown again.

Here's what I find interesting. If J&K and TLC think that what they are doing is OK, why do they feel it necessary to edit any of it out? Why is it that they (including the PR firm) have to read these blogs to find out how to raise the children and not humiliate them?

liask said...

I agree with Dad of 3. I have never bought into the whole OCD claim. That is just typical Kate justifying everything and anything to make herself look better.

Sharla said...

Here's what I find interesting. If J&K and TLC think that what they are doing is OK, why do they feel it necessary to edit any of it out? Why is it that they (including the PR firm) have to read these blogs to find out how to raise the children and not humiliate them?

Andrea, I think that's an exceptionally fine question. If they (Gosselins, Figure 8, and TLC) think what they are doing is right, then why would they bother editing anything based on what the public says on the internet? Why do they either not have the courage of their convictions to let their work stand or why don't they have the good sense and common decency not to film it and show it from the beginning?

nomorekonartists said...

For myself there are only a few things that I have ever learned from this show, well actually this was before I stopped watching.

1. How not to parent like Kate, and to spend more time with my children. I have seen so many times how she does not spend time with her children because she has devoted her whole life to milking them for all they are worth just for a quick buck. However, these kids are growing up quickly and sadly they may grow up to resent both parents for not giving them the child hood that every child deserves.

2. I have learned that treating ones' husband like garbage, especially in public, is wrong. We all know from the infamous Toys R Us episode that Kate is not exactly the a supportive or loving wife. If she speaks to her husband like that in public on film I wonder how she treats other people in general.

3. Always be thankful for help or things that are given to you. Kate has never been thankful for anything that was given to her, and in fact she thinks that since she went through "hell" giving birth that she is entitled to everything. She nor her husband in no way have shown that they appreciate what has been given to them. At the same time, the bad thing about this is that her children have been raised to think that they don't have to save up for something. They think everything is just given to you.

4. Even though one does not have everything (toys, beautiful house, money) that Kon has that doesn't mean that you are less of a person. It just means that you are willing to work for everything that you have, and you teach your children to appreciate everything that you do have. With Kon one day the gravy train is going to stop flowing and then what are they left with? Of course they will have eight beautiful children, but is this enough for them? Will being just a normal family that has parents that work regular jobs, going on vacation only when you can save up for it, and living a quasi "normal" life be too boring for Kon? Will they be able to handle 8 children without helpers being around all the time?

Overall these are some of the things that I have learned from this show, and taking these negatives that have been displayed and then turning them into positives is not an easy task. You just hope that one day these children are able to have a "normal" life.

Sophia said...

I agree with many of the posters here about Kate doing busy work rather than spending time with her kids. I can recall an episode in which Kate was looking for a helper. She made some statement about how the kids were at the age that they wanted someone to be present playing with them and weren't content to be off playing with toys by themselves. I thought she was going to then say how the helper could do things around the house so that she was able to spend time with the kids. Instead she said the helper would be playing with the kids while she cooked dinner. I wondered why instead of getting help with the kids so she could do other things, why she didn't get help with the other things so that she could spend more time with her kids. If I could afford it, I would love to have a cook and a housekeeper to help out so I could be with my kids more.

robin said...

As for the remodel of the old home they lived in and Kate's comments about it....I have to agree with Kate. The stripes in the twins room are horrendously horrendous. The nursery is way overdone. The bathroom is a joke. Artists do not make good interior designers. They had no right to go so over the top like that with someone else's property. Keep it simple folks. I am not a Kate supporter...I am just honest. That remodel was horrendous.

RuthinVA said...

Ms Peabody, they edited out the part with Collin laying in the back of the van? Huh. Guess the PR firm either reads here or can see the problems with Kate. The PR firm can try to help Jon and Kate but they won't help the children. Once they start correcting Kate they will have hell to pay. They will just edit Kate's behavior. I think we have already started to see that with her comatose couch interviews.

FXfanatic said...

Mary in Ohio,
You made my day!
It's great that people can be swayed to see the light!

Thanks!

happy now that there is yet another reason to have hope for our country

kaybear said...

Rory, I'm so glad you mentioned that! Mady is the most mistreated of the lot, as she is continually labeled as difficult and uncooperative, but to me she's the only sane one who objects to the intrusion into their lives!

Radio Head said...

During the last show it would have been great if they could have shown Kate's meltdown WHEN the stovetop blew up...'cause you KNOW there was one. RoFl

Snerk said...

Can you imagine the phone calls with Figure 8 and TLC when they found out what happened to the stove and they weren't there to catch it? What do you mean it happened before you got there? You HAVE to catch the new stove coming in at least.

Snark said...

I also saw the episode yesterday, where poor Collin was in agony and his "mother" did nothing to help him. However, they showed the whole thing. They didn't edit out any of the part where Jon has him in the van with Joel watching. I'm in Canada, so I'm not sure if TLC Canada has different edits. Interesting.

MomOfThree said...

I am SO glad that someone else commented on how the old home was redecorated after the remodel. I also did not care for bathroom, the nursery or the twins room at all. The master bedroom and living room were absolutely beautiful, but the kids' rooms were really not. I doubt, out of all the people who
saw those rooms, that Kate was the only one who disliked them. She was probably the only one who actually said so.

While it was beyond generous what people did to prepare the house and Kate should not have made such harsh statements about the end results, I have to admit that I would also have been a bit surprised when I saw it for the first time. And if I saw it for the first time in front of lots of people, after coming home from being on bed rest in a hospital for months, with hormones running amok from having recently delivered sextuplets, I think I would have had a hard time pretending I loved it. I would have waited til my husband and I were in private before I said anything, though, and probably within the next few weeks would have had everything re-painted to suit my tastes.

PR said...

I haven't watched the show in a few months but yesterday they had the bed buying show on. I had forgotten how bad Kate belittles Jon. "Jon..put them down in the basement" (she was busy cooking waffles and didn't want anyone in the kitchen)...2 minutes later after Jon drags poor Leah or Alexis down in the basement screaming..Kate: "you can put them in their chairs now" Jon (mumbling to himself): "Then why'd you just make me send them to the basement." Arrrr!!!

berksmom said...

I'm glad the comment was made about using the term McMansion to describe J&K's new home. I live in a McMansion. The term applies to large homes in the so-called cookie-cutter type developments. For instance, in my development there are only about 7-8 different styles of homes. Each home has different siding, brick/stone, or shutter colors. Our homes range from 2500-4000 square feet.

J&K's new home is not a McMansion. It is a custom built very large home on a 20+ acre lot and is not in a development.

Tigerfan said...

"They also showed part of the epi where collin was so constipated but they didn't show how Jon had to take him outside and help the little guy out"

So only AFTER the original airing of the bed buying episode and the NUMEROUS upon NUMEROUS re run airings of the 'back of the van' footage seen in this episode, TLC/Figure 8 Productions have finally come to their senses and editted out the footage!? Why is it that the footage was deemed acceptable and entertainment worthy for the original and subsequent re run airings and only recently cut from the episode? The episode has been shown, originally and in numerous re run airings. The damage has been done. By removing the footage does not minimize or dissolve the exploitation that took place and it certainly does not make TLC/Figure 8 productions look like the 'heros' for their decision to cut it. IMO, if it were not for this blog and others like it expressing concern and digust over the blatant exploitation exhibited in the footage, to this day the footage would continue to air as obviously J & K, TLC, and Figure 8 Productions had no problem including the footage in the original airing of the episode and the subsequent airings of the reruns that followed. Who are you protecting now TLC?? J & K's marketable reputation? Your own ass? Certainly NOT that of the Gosselin children, the damage is already done !!

Nellie's Mom said...

Sheer Madness said...
Kate is a famewhore

God, I want to see an episode where all 8 kids rise up and go all Lord of the Flies on her and the TLC film crew.


Seriously, that would be the BEST EPISODE EVER! And a fitting finale to this mockery of a family.

Nellie's Mom said...

I need to correct my last post-- It should have read "Sheer Madness said...
And a fitting finale to this mockery of a reality show about a mockery of a family.

I mean no ill will towards the Gosselin family, just wish they would realize that their show is not the best situation for their children. I do fear for the future of the twins and the tups.

FXfanatic said...

but to me she's the only sane one who objects to the intrusion into their lives!

This is how I feel too!
She's the most normal of the bunch, IMO.

timetogokon said...

I haven't watched the show in a few months but yesterday they had the bed buying show on. I had forgotten how bad Kate belittles Jon. "Jon..put them down in the basement" (she was busy cooking waffles and didn't want anyone in the kitchen)...2 minutes later after Jon drags poor Leah or Alexis down in the basement screaming..Kate: "you can put them in their chairs now" Jon (mumbling to himself): "Then why'd you just make me send them to the basement."

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I believe this is also the episode that I noticed the door knob cover on the INSIDE doorknob of the door leading to the basement, basically showing that KON lock the kids down there.

Also, I have to give my 2 cents regarding Kate being a neat freak:

a neat freak does not keep a porta potty in the car where urine can splash at any abrupt movement, a neat freak does not stand barefoot on a gas station platform, a neat freak does not keep potties full of urine throughout the day, a neat freak does not brush hair in the kitchen, a neat freak does not clip fingernails at the kitchen table, etc.

I am a neat freak , and I would NEVER do any of those, yet I do let my kids mess up the house and get themselves dirty when playing. Go figure.

Tired of the Whining said...

"in fact she thinks that since she went through "hell" giving birth that she is entitled to everything."

+++++++++++++++++++

I am tired of people glorifying Kate because she "CARRIED" six kids at one time. She was in the hospital for months nagging everyone who even came close to her and then when it was time to have them, she had a C-Section. Big difference when you actually GIVE birth and have them naturally!

So boo hoo Kate, you CARRIED six kids at one time. It was YOUR choice. Deal with it but quit making it sound like you have it so damn bad!

Harriet said...

You want to read whining, read a few pages of her book. It's almost all whining and self-justification to the point of blaming other people for things she did. She did herself no favors with the book.

Who cares said...

the book is horrible. Glorifying God and then on the other hand practically blaming everyone else because of YOUR faults.

Grow up Kate. No one likes you anymore.

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

Kate's excuse for their family not being around is "because they didn't know how to help us." Well then, why didn't Kate TELL them how to help? We all know that Kate is good at telling people what to do.

Kate sure has changed from the early days, when the tups were babies. She is getting worse wih every new episode.

Maybe soon, we'll see her on the show "Snapped."

Sarah Darah said...

I made a quick scan through this thread to see what people thought of Kate the 'wife' and whether they had an instinctive dislike of her as I do.

I have only seen a bit of this show, but I knew I would hate to know her when she scoffed;
"Of course Jon takes my car at night to fill it with gas. You don't think I would do that, do you? That's just common courtesy"

Well LA-DI-DA your highness.

SKB516 said...

I watched the bed buying episode yesterday too & they did indeed show the part with Collin in the back of the van. Jon described using the plastic bag to "help" him out & everything. They showed every part that I recall seeing when it originally aired.

lisak said...

I watched the collin episode in the furniture store also, and they did show it all, I didn't see any editing on that particular show, but I have in some others. Mostly they are editing Kate's big mouth.

wramblinwreck said...

"Why is it that the footage was deemed acceptable and entertainment worthy for the original and subsequent re run airings and only recently cut from the episode?"

One explanation may be the typical programming on TLC. In the shows on the half-ton people, for example, their massive bodies are shown without clothes, with no concern for their dignity. Yes, they signed up to do the show, but there's no reason to show them without clothing other than for the shock value. Even though we were spared any close-ups of what Jon was doing to Colin, we heard Jon's explanation, which was bad enough. I suppose it could be argued that such graphic images for the half-ton people are supposed to be the "learning" in The Learning Channel, but there's no "educational" value in allowing Colin's difficulties to be used that way.

Sarah Darah said...

The furniture epi with Collin in the back of the van should never ever have been aired. Jon should have looked at the camera man and said "OFF".

WTH are Jon and Kate thinking?

Argh!
Makes me want to pull my hair out,
[change that] Makes me want to pull out whats left of Jons plugs!!!

my9cats said...

Dad of 3 said...
I dont buy into the germophobe/occ angle to explain away Kate's behavior. She would love for us all to beleive she is a clean freak because that is much more of an understandable and even almost honorable mallady to have.
So why fake that?
We are all not prewired or predestined to be great parents, some of us just are not capable. This is Kate, she is not a genuine, instinctual parent. She is aware of this and overcompensates as the cleaning parent, the organizing parent, the disciplinarian, etc.
In fact, when we see her "cleaning" we all know now that a crew or a helper has already cleaned before her, so were simply not buying it.
Cut your losses, Kate. Count your money at the table and get help for you and your kids.

1/09/2009 9:06 AM

Anyone who allowes potties to be scattered around the house and not emptied until the end of the day (per Mady in Hairpluggate when Kevin asked when the potties were last emptied)is NOT in any way a germaphobe. A pig yes. Germaphobe NO!

FXfanatic said...

Kate's excuse for their family not being around is "because they didn't know how to help us." Well

I've got to ask, does everybody only have family around because they "help"??

Nobody in my family "helps" me with my daughter but I still love them and they are still a part of my life.

I guess if there is "nothing in it for them" they really don't need those people coming around. They'd rather find strangers who "really love us" to act as "surrogate grandparents" so they can be kicked to the curb when their usefulness wears out.

I am so sick of this woman's excuses.

Jen said...

Kim said...
Serious question here...

When this show finally does go off the air, What will we move on to?

There are thousands of children out there being forced to be in front of the camera.

The Roloffs? The Duggars? They are both on TLC getting a paycheck from them for showing their kids cute little faces.




Good question....
Anyone? Sharla?

Sharla said...

The blog admins will have to have a discussion when that day arrives. Frankly we never anticipated the popularity this blog has had and may want some time off. We do have Duggars Without Pity operating, but it is pretty quiet.

yeaisaidthat said...

One explanation may be the typical programming on TLC. In the shows on the half-ton people, for example, their massive bodies are shown without clothes, with no concern for their dignity. Yes, they signed up to do the show, but there's no reason to show them without clothing other than for the shock value. Even though we were spared any close-ups of what Jon was doing to Colin, we heard Jon's explanation, which was bad enough. I suppose it could be argued that such graphic images for the half-ton people are supposed to be the "learning" in The Learning Channel, but there's no "educational" value in allowing Colin's difficulties to be used that way.

1/09/2009 1:47 PM

I agree and would also like to add.

The 'Half Ton Man' documentary featured images of an adult, an adult who contractually agreed to allow the filming of his body naked and various stages of undress. Whereas the MINOR Gosselin child had absolutely no say in the filming and no laws or protections in place to restrict such exploitive filming. It was J & K and the representatives of TLC/Figure 8 Productions that condoned and allowed such footage to be aired for viewing 'entertainment'.There were five other children along with Kate that remained inside the store, there is absolutely NO excuse for the camera person to focus his/her attention on a child having stool manually removed from his rectum and the ultimate airing of said film footage.

pitapocketmom said...

since this is open discussion i had a question..in the pictures of the new house slide show the twins room and master bedroom both look like they are from the old house and the masterbedroom when you look out the window it looks like there are neighboring houses..how can thsi be if its the new house..there is lots of land on the new house..i am so confused by the pictures cause obviously some of them look like new house

Dizzy said...

Kim said...
Serious question here...

When this show finally does go off the air, What will we move on to?


I'm hoping we won't have to move on to any other shows. I'm hoping by the time we are all done no other parent/television network decides to put their babies most private moments on tv and call it entertainment.

As far as the Roloff/Duggar kids they are old enough to tell the parents "No". The Gosselin kids don't know any different.

Sharla said...

Pitapocket, please note that the link to the new house pictures also says that pictures from the remodel of their first house are also in the same file.

wramblinwreck said...

"I'm hoping we won't have to move on to any other shows. I'm hoping by the time we are all done no other parent/television network decides to put their babies most private moments on tv and call it entertainment."

As much as I've enjoyed this blog, I agree that the ideal would be the show ends and there are no other shows where parents use their little children to bring in the family's income.


"As far as the Roloff/Duggar kids they are old enough to tell the parents "No". The Gosselin kids don't know any different."

Exactly. The tups were only 14 months old when filming for the initial 2 specials occurred, so they've never known anything but having cameras in their home on a regular basis. Neither they nor the twins have been old enough to refuse, unlike the Rolloff/Duggar kids who were certainly old enough to express themselves when filming began.

Lisa said...

"and then when it was time to have them, she had a C-Section. Big difference when you actually GIVE birth and have them naturally! "

Look, I'm not a Kate fan at all and I agree with most posts on this blog. I have read this blog for a while but this is the first time I've ever posted anything here. I'm afraid to get labeled as a "kate fan" because that's not why I'm saying this but -

You don't need to attack people who've had c-sections and say that they didn't have their kids "naturally", I think that crosses a line. Plus, you know NOTHING about multiple births at all! I am a twin mom (yes, only two!) and had to have a c-section. There are many reasons for people to have c-sections and anyone who knows anything about higher order multiple births knows that once you've got triplets or more in there, you basically HAVE to have a c-section. So attack Kate for her parenting or her treatment of Jon if you wan to but lay off the way that she had her children. She actually did a mighty fine job of keeping them inside for so long, that is the one thing that she did right for her kids.

As far as the rest of the stuff, I totally agree. She shouldn't be showing her kids potty-ing on TV, she shouldn't be smacking her husband and she needs a big attitude adjustment.

Tangerine Tanya said...

A additional comment about Kate's claiming to be a neat freak. Not so neat when she uses a community wash cloth to wash all 8 children. Being a nures she should know to use a individual cloth to first wipe the face and then the hands so as not to spread germs to the eyes,nose and mouth. Another thing that I question is that she brushes the tups teeth and doesnt even have them rinse? What? No wiping and washing of hands after the potty either. Yeah right neat freak.

Jeannette said...

Harriet said...
You want to read whining, read a few pages of her book. It's almost all whining and self-justification to the point of blaming other people for things she did. She did herself no favors with the book.
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OK, now I have to post the question that I have been asking myself for a long time. Beth wrote the book. During the course of writing it and just getting to know Kate better, did Beth not get it? Somehow, I think Beth was very naive about a lot of things. JMO

Denise said...

Dad of 3 said...
Did anyone else catch this in the wedding episode; It was a half second long and you had to be paying attention. One of the babies walks towards a sitting, brooding kate and she snaps to the child "I dont want you". before Kate finishes the sentence the child has bolted back in the opposite direction, as if they had heard that before. Coming from a caring, nurturing mother the child would have been shocked and/or would have continued to move forward, not beleiving what they had just heard from their mother. Anyway, that was the last episode I watched and will never waste my time watching another one. Just curious if anyone else caught that snippet.
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And this is not considered "abuse?" I think so!!! It's beyond abuse - it's pure evil. Kate is a sociopath.

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

I think that they should change the name of the show to:

"PARENTS BEHAVING BADLY."

GrammyPie said...

Poor Collin should never have been brought along on the bunk bed buying day. Apparently Jon had some concerns about this. If only he had shown some backbone, and put his foot down, this show would never have happened. If they absolutely wanted to film the bed buying as an episode, then deal with Collin's problem first. He would have been so much more comfortable. Jon was so proud of himself that he had helped Collin in the back of the van,and Kate gave him kudos for it too. How much more humane it would have been to have dealt with this privately at home. Of course, then Jon wouldn't have been portrayed as the big hero, with Kate stroking his face with pride, and saying what a good daddy he was.
If there is truly karma, Kate will find herself extremely constipated and having to ride in a car, and walk around in extreme discomfort someday. Of course unless she is forced to seek relief in the back of a van, while being filmed, she won't have a clue what she put her son through.

mollybloom said...

Some random thoughts:

The Gosselins are soldiers (albeit draftees) in the culture wars. God gave them six children and they sacrificed everything to give them life. Pro-lifers can rally around this image and ignore the negatives of life in this zoo. And the Gosselins are professed Christians. As the country returns to the social and political center, families like the Gosselins' will become even more important images to some parts of American society.

The Gosselins are Just-Like-Us. They snark and yell at each other and their kids. Teenagers identify with this kind of behavior. And the kids are cute. Gosh, I bet Jon knows how to text message.

The Gosselins are living the "West Coast" version of the American Dream, the dream of finding gold or becoming a Hollywoood star. It's not about getting rich on hard work, but about being in the right place at the right time. This is an increasingly prevalent message in American society as people realize that hard work alone doesn't necessarily result in big payoffs.

The medium is the message. Without TV, these people would be just another bunch of folks in a little house somewhere.

This is what's knocking around in my head. There has to be a reason this show exists, and I'm a bit obsessed to figure it out.

zoey said...

in this article i was wondering what kate meant by "
And I'm trying to trust God to have the right response to Jon. "

God doesn't respond to Jon? ha ha ha

http://www.christianitytoday.com/tcw/2009/janfeb/1.22.html?start=4

notafanofanything said...

As far as the Roloff/Duggar kids they are old enough to tell the parents "No". The Gosselin kids don't know any different.

Jacob Roloff was quite young when the show started- probably about the same as Mady and Cara are now. And the Duggars?? Some of those Duggar kids can't even speak yet so I doubt they have much say in anything! The Duggars and Rolofs are just as guilty of child exploitation as the Gosselins are but not too many people seem to care about that.

RuthinVA said...

http://www.christianitytoday.com/tcw/2009/janfeb/1.22.html?start=4

That interview is the biggest bunch of bull I have ever read. Does God tell her to act the way she does...What does he do whisper in her ear at night....Did the PR people tell her to blame everything on God or use God to justify her actions. Come on Kate you can do better than that.
Anyone do real christians believe this? She sounds like Jim Baker.

wramblinwreck said...

"Jacob Roloff was quite young when the show started- probably about the same as Mady and Cara are now."

I don't remember Jacob's age at the beginning of the show, but his siblings were all old enough to have challenged their parents if they didn't want to do the show. If they had, what were Matt and Amy going to do? Say, "Okay, but Jacob's too little to have a vote so he has to do the show?" I'm going to say no.


"And the Duggars?? Some of those Duggar kids can't even speak yet so I doubt they have much say in anything!"

Again, the majority of the Duggar kids were certainly old enough, the oldest 20-something. If the older kids had refused, I don't believe the parents would have said, "okay, but the little kids have to do it."


"The Duggars and Rolofs are just as guilty of child exploitation as the Gosselins are but not too many people seem to care about that."

The sheeple love to point at the Roloffs/Duggars as doing "just the same" as the Gosselins. Apples and oranges. Matt Roloff didn't need to pimp his kids to support his family and buy their farm. He actually had a job, a successful one as a software salesman, and made a very good living that enabled him to buy their property. Like thousands of others in the IT industry, he lost his job but he founded his own company with his friend, Mike, used the farm to generate income, and Amy worked part time. The Duggars also didn't need to pimp their kids for their income, as they own real estate and have their own business. No comparison.

Tammy H. said...

Did anyone else hear that the reason KON didn't move to NC, was because TLC tried to get lumbar companies to DONATE the materials to build the house and they couldn't find anyone who would do it! I am so glad someone told them no!!

BTW, I posted the other day about the episodes on Tuesday (the one where the tups' turned 4) and they went to the bakery...anyway, Kate was mad @ Jon for sitting at her table with Hannah, Leah and Aaden and Jon wouldn't switch places with her, so she got stuck with "Collin, Joel and Alexis"...she even had the gall to say "Jon had my kids and I had his". She does have her favorites..it's very obvious. She has damaged these kids so much already...It still sickens me the way she treated poor Joel (July 4th @ NC beach) when the girls were making a cake and eating strawberries/blueberries..and he asked for 1 and she was so hateful and mean to him and told him NO (he hung his head and made the saddest face)...and told him to leave the kitchen. My heart breaks for those kids. They don't deserve to be treated they way Queen Kate treats them. That's probably 1 of the reasons she didn't want Jodi on the show anymore...Jodi loved those kids and was so good to them...I believe Aaden even called her his second "mommy", yep, Kate said that on 1 of the episodes. Karma is gonna get her 1 day, and it's not going to be pretty.

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

RuthinVA,

Your right. More bull from Kate. That what Kate does. She gives "BS." She is also delusional.
But, Kate's days ae numbered. People like Kate don't last long. She tries to fool everyone, but it doesn't work.

Kate constantly lies right through her pearly white teeth. She fools no one. We can all see her true colors, and they are not very pretty.

Tammy H. said...

I live in TN..and they didn't edit out Collin in the back of the van with Jon "helping" him out...the camera wasn't zoomed in on him, but Joel was looking at what was going on, and the microphones were still on...that is going to be so embarassing for him when he gets older.

Also, has anyone noticed that usually every Wednesday on TLC, they always had a marathon of J&K plus 8, but now it seems like there are less and less of the show on. It used to be M-F @ 11a.m.&11:30a.m. and then again @ 4-5p.m. then on Monday nights there were 4-6 shows...Wednesday...huge marathon..and then on the weekends there were a couple of shows during the day. But here in the past few weeks, I have noticed on Mondays, there are a few episodes @ night but they haven't been on during the day at all..and only this past Tuesday, they had the marathon...maybe they are cutting the show back some..or it could just be a figment of my imagination..:) If Kate loves seeing herself so much, she needs to get the DVD set, and she can watch it whenever she wants, but give the kids a rest!

Peter said...

Yeah it seems there has been less showing of this show. You guys also forgot the most embarrsing thing Kate did, remember she took pictures of the kids with their first poo. Who in their right mind dose that. Then she even gose on to say she showed it to others. If J&K love their kids they need to set limits with TLC. Anyone else notcie thta Beth and Jodi are gone now what's Kate's issue. We should all send them letter to stop the explotation. Oh and the Roloffs are not/hardly on anymore. Seems they are done with it hopefully J&K are too.

The Bottom Line said...

Not a sheeple, but this is wrong..
The sheeple love to point at the Roloffs/Duggars as doing "just the same" as the Gosselins. Apples and oranges. Matt Roloff didn't need to pimp his kids to support his family and buy their farm. He actually had a job, a successful one as a software salesman, and made a very good living that enabled him to buy their property.

They are on tv and making money off their kids, whether they have another job or not.

Skywatcher said...

A few thoughts:

1) What if Jon & Kate did a 'Wife Swap' with the Duggers. I think THAT would be a definate TIVO show!

2) I have to second the mom who defended women who had to have c-sections. I am a two-time breast cancer survivor (age 21 and 28). I was told to not have children. At 34 I decided it was worth the risk. After miscarrage and having ever pregnacy ever listed in a 'so you are going to have a baby book' I sat in the hospital at 37 weeks. I was so looking forward to the whole experience (ok, let's be honest, not the pain from h*ll part), but on inspection, my son's cord was coming out and my heart rate started soaring while my son's started dropping rapidly. So, while laying on a gurney, with a nurses hand up my (you know) and the 'team' of people running down the corridor to save one and hopefully both of our lives, does this mean I only 'carried' my son since I didn't have him vaginally? I bet your delivery was a heck of a lot easier than mine was...

a blogger said.Anyone do real christians believe this?

3) I read the article and this is my opinion. As a Christian and if she was truly walking the walk, would have the same answer no matter who was paying or filming her. The fact that she hardly ever mentions her Christianity on TV or the other secular media, should show you that her motives may not be that pure. She will have to face God one day regarding this and the other issues. As a believer, I wouldn't want to be her!

Thanks for letting me vent...time to retire for the evening.

Nathalie said...

Tammy, do you really want to keep seeing the same shows over and over again on the Marathons? They cut the marathons down because they want more excitement for the new episodes.

They are using the J&K+8 marathon times to put other shows on where the sheeple would have been watching J&K. It's for total exposure of their other shows. TLC is "working" the other shows right now.

Cindi said...

Tammy H,
Yes I remember the cake decorating episode when Kate lied once again.
She said "Oh who ever wonders in the kitchen will help decorate the cake" Then Joel "wonders" in and she jumped all over the lil guy. Speaking of Jole can anyone tell me the answer to this? When Kate had Joel on the laundry room floor while she did the clean up did she leave him there after she was done and went to another room?

Denise said...

3rd Rock from the Sun said:
RuthinVA,
Your right. More bull from Kate. That what Kate does. She gives "BS." She is also delusional.
But, Kate's days ae numbered. People like Kate don't last long. She tries to fool everyone, but it doesn't work.
==
3rd Rock, I agree with you. Kate's lies, delusions, and BS are so blatant and constant that I think it should have been curtains for her long ago. I know the hardcore sheeple will continue to eat up her crap because they are just as mentally unstable and intellectually deficient as Kate is. Yes, people like Kate don't last long. But, she's lasted too long already!! What I want to know is - WHEN will she hang herself with all the rope she has been given? I guess we just have to wait until our good friend Karma steps in. And he will show up - hopefully sooner rather than later!

Ann Marie said...

Tammy H said: Also, has anyone noticed that usually every Wednesday on TLC, they always had a marathon of J&K plus 8, but now it seems like there are less and less of the show on. It used to be M-F @ 11a.m.&11:30a.m. and then again @ 4-5p.m. then on Monday nights there were 4-6 shows...Wednesday...huge marathon..and then on the weekends there were a couple of shows during the day. But here in the past few weeks, I have noticed on Mondays, there are a few episodes @ night but they haven't been on during the day at all..and only this past Tuesday, they had the marathon...maybe they are cutting the show back some..or it could just be a figment of my imagination..:) If Kate loves seeing herself so much, she needs to get the DVD set, and she can watch it whenever she wants, but give the kids a rest!

I have noticed this too. You are not cracking up. KON was always on again on Wednesday nights (repeat of the Monday episode plus one or two others followed). This has not occurred for at least the last two weeks (as far as I have seen). I wonder what this means. Why would TLC be cutting back?

RuthinVA said...

I think with the Roloff's they play soccer, work on the farm and go out with friends so much that it all seems so much more like a ordinary life. I remember Amy said quite a few seasons ago, that Molly wanted privacy from the camera and Amy was going to make sure she got it, so none were allowed in her bedroom. Amy said that if Molly did not want to be on camera she would make sure that was granted and she totally understood. Matt and Amy have their little spats but nothing like Jon and Kate. From the begining I thought Jacob was so photogentic and so cute. But, then all of a sudden you saw him very little. What went through my mind was he must want some privacy too. I think Amy does a very good job with her children, she always tries to give them explanations. It is true they do not help her around the house and it always clutered. We all know busy teenagers aren't the best help. Everytime I mention the mess to my sister she always says "do realize how much harder it is for her to make a bed than a normal size person." "Ruth, every chore she does takes twice the effort it does for us." Then she starts in on Matt gets everything he wants for the farm Amy should have help with the house. I see my sister's opinion and now agree with it.
I salute the Roloffs, they could be living on disability but they both choose to work. From the get go the Roloff's started using their TLC money for improvements to the house and farm even before the big remodel. They have set up college funds for their children. Amy always joins in on the fun with a good attitude. I do not think Jon and Kate compare to the Roloffs. Sorry if I kept going on and on with no structure, I just kept thinkng of things I wanted to say and it is 1:36AM and like Kate I am exhausted.

Denise said...

Cindi said...
Tammy H,
Yes I remember the cake decorating episode when Kate lied once again.
She said "Oh who ever wonders in the kitchen will help decorate the cake" Then Joel "wonders" in and she jumped all over the lil guy. Speaking of Jole can anyone tell me the answer to this? When Kate had Joel on the laundry room floor while she did the clean up did she leave him there after she was done and went to another room?

Yes, as I remember it, she left him there. That laundry room floor was his new "bedroom" while he was sick. Can't have the poor child puke on a comforter or the rug! Put him on a thin, ratty old blanket on the cold floor and just leave him there! Now that's compassion!

CK said...

Not that I'm going to buy the DVDs to find this out, but I wonder if the DVDs have the original version, or the edited versions that people have noticed with various episodes?

Dooney said...

During the last J&K+8 marathon (which I saw only small bits of as I channel-surfed by because I simply cannot tolerate the reruns anymore), I heard Kate say something to the effect that they go on all the fancy vacations because otherwise they would just sit around, stare at each other, and be bored. All I could think was Huhhhh?!!! In the same vein, when Jon was left all day “alone” with the kids (well, without Kate) in a recent episode, he worried about not being able to think of enough things for them to do. Double Huhhhh?!!!

(Note: I'll bet in future reruns that these statements get edited out.)

It boggles my mind that two grown adults who are parents of these active wonderful children can’t fathom what to do with them at home on a daily, hour-to-hour basis (as opposed to going to the zoo, theme parks, vacations, etc., which are “special” occasions). I’m glad to see I’m not the only one confounded by this. The fact that they don’t have to work an outside job, that money is not (or should not be) a worry, and that they can hire all the help they need, means that they have no excuse for not being able to keep their children appropriately occupied and stimulated. As someone else wrote on this blog, Dr. Phil even pointed out that preschool teachers have as many kids. (Or more.) Children in this age group are naturally full of energy and love being with their parents. Since J&K don’t have an 8-5 job and have hired the help they need, exactly what is the reason for not being appropriately engaged with their children 24/7?

Beyond meeting their children’s basic physical needs and taking them on special-occasion outings and vacations, J&K seem to be adrift. For the children’s sake, parenting classes (if not counseling sessions) would appear to be in order, asap.

I know that Kate is very tired ... "exhausted" as she says. I hope she is under a doctor’s care. She does not seem well. She’s lost a lot of weight, which can be one symptom of depression. In a cycle that feeds on itself, the weight loss (whether intentional or not) could also be contributing to her “exhaustion” if she’s not consuming enough calories. After all, chasing after eight children requires plenty of fuel! (My suspicion, however, is that Kate is deliberately dieting and probably having plastic surgeries and/or body sculptings. Plenty of money and narcissism are never a good match.)

With the nannies and housekeepers hired, one would think that J&K should be able to get a full night of refreshing rest before enjoying yet another jam-packed day of raising their adorable children. However, Kate’s statement above is pretty illuminating about how boring she finds day-to-day life with her family. She must feel incredibly trapped. But wait, the chance to do product promotions, book signings, etc., give her the opportunity to escape. With a much larger house, she should be able to hide out at will. With any luck, the house has an intercom system through which Kate can bark orders from her undisclosed locations.

Interesting... said...

I just watched a repeat of the xmas episode from last year (I think) where they go caroling and kate bitches about making the ginger bread houses. I saw this episode before. This time, Beth is completely edited out when they go to her house.

I am almost 100% positive that the first time I saw it Beth was in it (which makes sense, they are in her house and all of the other visitees are shown, plus Beth & Bob are thanked at the end), and I think they also edited out Hannah waiting around for the pants she peed in to dry.

I'm surprised nobody else has picked up on this Beth omission as you all are keen observers! It's rather glaring if you are looking for it.

Has anybody else noticed whether Beth is now edited out of repeats? Curious whether there is an injunction or something pending. I'm just saying!

LisaH said...

I think the difference between the Roloff and the Gosselin shows are that LPBW focuses on the family itself, not the children. They show an ep with Amy going somewhere or at her job, or Matt involved in some project around the farm but the children are secondary to the plot, so to speak. Where as J&K+8 is supposed be about the children and focuses on the Gosselins dragging their kids around to Utah, Disney, CA, Hawaii etc...

It's funny, the Roloffs don't seem to put on airs and act all hoity toity like the Gosselins. Probably because Matt and Amy worked for what they have, they weren't handed everything because Amy had a magical uterus.

Diane said...

They are on tv and making money off their kids, whether they have another job or not.

Exactly! The Duggars and Roloffs are in the same category as the Gosselins. Regardless of whether you like them more than J&K, they are still exploiting their children via their unique situations. Would the Duggars be on TV if they didn't have 17 or 18 kids? Nope. Would the Roloffs be on TV if they weren't little people? Nope. True, they both have older children who understand what is going on and can agree with it, but the younger ones have no say, just like the sextuplets.

yeaisaidthat said...

I live in TN..and they didn't edit out Collin in the back of the van with Jon "helping" him out...the camera wasn't zoomed in on him, but Joel was looking at what was going on, and the microphones were still on...that is going to be so embarassing for him when he gets older.

TLC also provided play by play sub titles of Jon instructing his son what to 'do' as if the footage alone wasnt exploitive enough. Then TLC also provided an additional couch confessional narrative by Jon, complete with hand gestures, for the viewers who tuned in late.

Jordan's Mom said...

Skywatcher--We wondered the same thing regarding why their Christianity isn't showed as much. Just the other day, my friend read an article in a Christian mag that Kate complained that they don't film more of their religious beliefs, such as praying at the dinner table, etc. So, it's a TLC decision.

Janine said...

Why can't I find Mady's Day on YouTube?

wramblinwreck said...

"They are on tv and making money off their kids, whether they have another job or not."

Neither the Roloffs nor the Duggars have displayed their children on TV since they were babies, showing them going to the bathroom, being bathed, undressed. Neither the Roloffs nor the Duggars quit their jobs to allow the show to become their life, and their life the show (per Kate).
The Roloffs' are little people themselves, with only one of their 4 children being a little person, so the focus of the show is more about their challenges and the kids are peripheral to that as part of their family life. The Duggars are and have been self-supporting, they don't use the show as their sole source of income, as do the Gosselins.

The Gosselins pimped their kids on TV in order to buy their estate. Neither the Roloffs nor the Duggars have done that.


"Would the Roloffs be on TV if they weren't little people?"

Only one of the Roloff children is a little person. If Matt and Amy weren't little people, there wouldn't be a show.

Bunny Girl said...

I ABSOLUTELY agree with Ruth/VA. The Roloff's are NOTHING like John and Kate. They work hard and do not exploit their children nor are they mean and nasty to their children. I love their show. I've learned not to be so negative about everyday situations when I see how much harder things are for them and yet they manage just fine and do lots of family oriented stuff. Amy Roloff is a great person. Matt is a father who does his best and what he thinks is good for the family. It is obvious their family comes first. I love the episode where both Matt and Amy's families came for the holidays. Good sincere people the Roloff's.

I'll step down now, LoL.

notafanofanything said...

The sheeple love to point at the Roloffs/Duggars as doing "just the same" as the Gosselins. Apples and oranges. Matt Roloff didn't need to pimp his kids to support his family and buy their farm. He actually had a job, a successful one as a software salesman, and made a very good living that enabled him to buy their property. Like thousands of others in the IT industry, he lost his job but he founded his own company with his friend, Mike, used the farm to generate income, and Amy worked part time. The Duggars also didn't need to pimp their kids for their income, as they own real estate and have their own business. No comparison.

Yes, I think there is a comparison. Income/jobs whatever have nothing to do with it. The point is- the kids are on TV, their lives are shown in all its glory and misery. Gosselin/Duggar/Roloff- makes no difference the reason for the show, the results are the same. And sorry to dissappoint you, but I am nobody's sheeple.

wramblinwreck said...

"Yes, I think there is a comparison. Income/jobs whatever have nothing to do with it. The point is- the kids are on TV, their lives are shown in all its glory and misery. Gosselin/Duggar/Roloff- makes no difference the reason for the show, the results are the same."

We'll have to agree to disagree because I don't believe the reasons for the shows are the same at all.


"And sorry to dissappoint you, but I am nobody's sheeple."

We'll have to agree to disagree about that too.

MayDay said...

TLC is just as much as fault as Jon and Kate. Obviously they do not have any morals about what they feel "family viewing" is.... Things like the bed episode with Collin, the way Kate treats her kids, the way Kate treats Jon. The younger viewers will get the impression that it is alright to treat others like how they see Kate treat people. No wonder this world is so screwed up...a give me give me give me , it's all about me world.
I am so disappointed in TLC because it once was a station that showed informative classy shows now they have so much junk on that it is so disgusting. I wonder what focus group they use to figure out what shows will do well or not. I am not interested in seeing the life of extremely overweight families. I for one thing it is embarrassing for them as well as the viewer. Boy money does talk.

Somewhereinoh said...

IMO, the difference between the J & K Gosselin reality show vs that of Duggar/Roloff is self explanatory using Kate's own words; 'the show is our life and our life is the show'. To describe and define one's life established by and contingent on terms and conditions set forth by a reality tv show; A REALITY TV SHOW!!!

Jamie said...

wramblinwreck said...

The sheeple love to point at the Roloffs/Duggars as doing "just the same" as the Gosselins. Apples and oranges. Matt Roloff didn't need to pimp his kids to support his family and buy their farm. He actually had a job, a successful one as a software salesman, and made a very good living that enabled him to buy their property. Like thousands of others in the IT industry, he lost his job but he founded his own company with his friend, Mike, used the farm to generate income, and Amy worked part time. The Duggars also didn't need to pimp their kids for their income, as they own real estate and have their own business. No comparison.
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I am almost insulted that I was put into the category as the sheeple. lol. BUT I also think The Duggars and the Roloffs are in the same boat as the Gosselins. They are getting a paycheck from TLC for letting cameras in their home for who knows how many hours a day. The Duggars are constantly xeroxing themselves and having news reporters in their house doing interviews. 9 of the 18 kids are 8 and under. The Roloffs have been on longer then J&K and Jacob's only 11 right now. I don't think he had any say so when cameras started rolling. All in all its JMO everyone in entitled to one.

Just Me said...

I saw Jon turnes 30 and the one where they take Mady and Cara to CA(pinecone one) and Beth had all the tups for the 30th and she had Alexis and the boys for the pinecone one and someone else had Hannah and Leah. So they havent completely edited her out.

So funny how Beth and Jodi can handle all 6 with ease and their own mother cant. Hell Jodi can handle 12(6 being sick) better than Kate can handle Mady alone!

Marie said...

wramblinwreck said...
The Gosselins pimped their kids on TV in order to buy their estate. Neither the Roloffs nor the Duggars have done that.
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So The Duggars just so happend to be able to save enough money to build that HUGE house they live in right after their specials were taped?

Kim said...

Amy & Matt fight more then J&K do. I watched a few episode of that show when they were trying to cleaning the house ( which by the way is freaking disgusting) and they were bickering back and forth. Yeah..thats what I want to watch....

Both these shows suck and should be pulled.

SmartyQ said...

Jordan's Mom said...
Skywatcher--We wondered the same thing regarding why their Christianity isn't showed as much. Just the other day, my friend read an article in a Christian mag that Kate complained that they don't film more of their religious beliefs, such as praying at the dinner table, etc. So, it's a TLC decision.

I remind you that Queen Freebie Irene has been repeatedly exposed as a liar, so just because QFI complained that TLC was shorting them on showing their religious beliefs doesn't make it true. Moreover, what religious beliefs? The power of exploitation? The gospel of prosperity? The treatment of QFI's children and husband? Those religious beliefs?

Gimme a break!

wramblinwreck said...

"So The Duggars just so happend to be able to save enough money to build that HUGE house they live in right after their specials were taped?"

Do you know that they didn't? They've had income they've earned themselves long before they had a show, unlike the Gosselins.

"9 of the 18 kids are 8 and under."

Which is irrelevant. If the older kids had objected, I don't believe the parents would have forced only the younger ones to do it.

"The Roloffs have been on longer then J&K and Jacob's only 11 right now."

The Roloff's show began in March 2006, and the Gosselins April 2007. Unlike the Gosselin tups, who were babies and the twins who were 4, Jacob was no baby when the Roloffs began their show, he was 9 years old, plenty old enough to speak up for himself.

cheryl said...

Yes, it does seem that the reruns are becoming less.Why buy theDVD's
when you can record the marathons.
Rerun of the constipated Collin
shows Joel watching jon with collin, no closeups though.
The Roloffs and Duggans seem to have a purpose whereas the g's the
purpose is now k and making money.
Believe they've had too much togetherness.
Perhaps Jenny returned to school or
didn't make the really big g move.

skywatcher said...

SmartyQ

You are right. I am not perfect and never will be. I don't know the KON's but this is my take. If you are a practicing Christian, esp. if you are being filmed for all the world to see and part of your income arrives from church appearances, I would be working VERY hard on walking the walk. As it has been said before, they don't appear to do doing that. All they are doing is talking the talk. Nothing on tv last forever. And, one day she is going to have to deal with all of this. She will regret not taking this constructive criticism to heart. It is like watching a train wreck.

And the kids will have it worse. I just saw an article about a former child star who played 'Tommy' on Eight is Enough. Willie Aames just tried to commit suicide after lossing his fame, family and money. This seems to be a pattern with child stars. Not all of them mind you, but a good deal of them. When I read this my mind immediately went to the children on the TLC shows. God, I hope this stops before it is too late....

timetogokon said...

Skywatcher--We wondered the same thing regarding why their Christianity isn't showed as much. Just the other day, my friend read an article in a Christian mag that Kate complained that they don't film more of their religious beliefs, such as praying at the dinner table, etc. So, it's a TLC decision.

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Rewind your Tivo and watch the 4th of July epi in NC. The kids started eating their seafoodfest and Kate had to stop them and REMIND them to pray first. So obvious that praying before a meal is not standard practice in that household. Just more BS from Kate.

Harriet said...

Why the Gosselins irritate me while the Duggars and Roloffs do so less?

The Duggars and Roloffs while both seem actually more religious than the Gosselins, don't go around acting like everything they do is ordained from God. They accept responsibility for their decisions and actions. They aren't mean to their children. They do derive income that isn't related to the TV show or their children. There are episodes where one or more of the Roloffs and who knows how many Duggars aren't even seen or are barely seen. It's only recently that we haven't had all eight Goseelins all dressed matchy matchy lockstep with the program of the day. The Roloffs have episodes that are more dedicated to Matt and Amy and the children aren't seen much or they have episodes more centered on the twins who are plenty old enough and have been old enough to make the decision. The Duggars seem to allow the children to decide who will talk more and who will be allowed to stay more out of filming range. The Duggars and Roloffs don't say the show is their life and their life is the show. The Duggars and Roloffs give every indication that if the show ended tomorrow, they'd easily find a way to keep on going. They obviously have lives outside the show and that to me is why they're more interesing. They aren't so obviously contrived to make an episode. And at least for the moment lastly, they have FUN and they actually know, see, and love people not in their nuclear family. Their kids have friends, their families are shown and their love for them shows. They are so much more normal and lovable for all of that.

AUNTY K.K. said...

Interesting... said...
I just watched a repeat of the xmas episode from last year (I think) where they go caroling and kate bitches about making the ginger bread houses. I saw this episode before. This time, Beth is completely edited out when they go to her house.

I am almost 100% positive that the first time I saw it Beth was in it (which makes sense, they are in her house and all of the other visitees are shown, plus Beth & Bob are thanked at the end), and I think they also edited out Hannah waiting around for the pants she peed in to dry.




In answer to your question....When they taped the Christmas special Beth & Bob were not at home, ...so TLC was going to have Kate/family go there another day to complete the 'episode', but Kate said NO...as a result BETH/BOB were NOT in the episode....not with the first viewing either...sorry, but I think you remembered wrong....I don't remember if they said something about them in the 'couch' part.

Then with Hannah, yes, she'd had an 'accident" and at one home they had to wash her pants, but I didn't see the 'repeat' so I don't know what, if any parts, were edited.

I hope this answered your question about the Christmas episode!

Then, I truely believe there was NO Christmas special this year...as there were no families to go to...or, if there are any people they're involved with, they refuse to be 'acknowledged' with this family, due to the 'public outcry'...this is so sad,..and what makes part of the Gosselin/BPLW/Duggars so different...they SHOW all the family/friends, so they can have Christmas episodes!

I truely think this is one of the BIG differences in the shows. Yes, they all are making money by having children..but there are big differences. BPLW, Amy, stated, whenever the children DON"T want to be taped, then they're not, (and the girls room is NEVER taped, even with the new house--her room was never shown)..Duggars-never show 'bathroom' or 'private' episodes, actually TLC attempted to show one of the boys pants being partly 'down' and one of the family stated, STOP FILMING...so, there's one big difference...
Then the other HUGE difference is BPLW and DUGGARS are always talking and showing family/friends, which Kate/Jon have 'excuses' for not showing theirs, "THEY DON"T GET OUR LIFE"..which I can try to disciper as meaning, "some of the family are complaining and trying to protect the children", and as a result, K/J get mad, so family is eliminated.

Harriet said...

Aunty, it was Jodi and Kevin who weren't home and TLC wanted to go another time and Kate refused.

Get a clue said...

Rule number 1: Kate lies
Rule number 2: kate lies
Rule number 3: In case of any confusion refer to rule number 1.

I read her book and it seemed like every other page there was a statement that was contradicted by either something on an episode, a speaking engagement, or some other appearance. There were things in the book that contradicted statements made elsewhere in the book. She and the editors couldn't even keep her tales straight for that short little book! I wonder if Kate remembers the total exact truth at this point.

RuthinVA said...

The Roloff family do not have the grueling filming schedule of the Gosselin family. I don't know how long the Roloff's film but they take considerable breaks from filming.

RuthinVA said...

Get a clue said...
I wonder if Kate remembers the total exact truth at this point.

1/10/2009 10:10 AM
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Her lies definitely coincide with what she is trying to justify at that moment. She sure doesn't lie well, it not one of her strong points. I too wonder if she remembers the truth, I think Mady does and in there lies the problem.

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

There is no doubt in my mind that ALL of the Gosselin childen are going to be teased when they go to school. Kate and Jon just might have to end up home-schooling all eight children. Other children are going to tease them about the potty chair episodes. Why in the world did Kate allow that to be taped? I don't think that Kate thinks about what could happen in the future. Kate thinks only about now. Just like with all the noise from the kids that Kate can't stand. When she was pregnant with the tups, she should have thought then, about all the noise in the future.

Could someone please tell me why the "fans" don't see Kate for what she truely is. Are all the "fans" in denial, just like Kate?

AUNTY K.K. said...

a blogger said.Anyone do real christians believe this?


I've wanted to comment on this question for a long time, and I take this question, 'very seriously! This is MY answer to the above question. So, this is "IMO" only..other Christians may see K/J in a different manner, or have a 'different' way of explaining the above.

I truly believe that anyone who takes Christianity seriously, (meaning they "live" what they speak about, and don't just use 'God' to answer questions), don't agree with what K/J are doing.

When your a Christian you don't ALTER your lifestyle to 'adjust' to some TV show.

You don't change the way you do things, like: 'grace' before meals; 'Bible readings at the table/bedtime'; having a 'quiet spot' to do your own 'devotions', etc.,... for a TV show.

You certainly don't constantly "put down others/or intimidate the ones you love"; hit, scream, or do the things Kate does WITHOUT apologizing, and asking for forgiveness. (I don't think I've ever seen Kate apologize.) You don't give explanations for your "wrongdoings", make "excuses" for bad behaviour, or always, (as is the case with Kate), blame someone else for your behaviour,(she's always blaming Jon for the way she behaved,or making excuses).

You attempt to "aim for" the 'fruits of the Holy Spirit'" in your lives. (Those being,"love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goddness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control")

AND, to aim for the two greatest commandments being: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart/mind/soul", and "To love your neighbour as yourself".

We, as Christians are not here to judge K/J, but are certainly here to help "protect" those who are 'professing to love/protect/etc' children and don't.

If K/J were REALLY living as Christians, you would see MORE of the above...you wouldn't be making excuses that TLC, "doesn't allow you to live as Christians". Their mannerisms would be "improving", their 'speaking to each other' would show more love and compassion.

Kate's non-verbal would be improving and you wouldn't be seeing constant arms crossed/negative comments towards her children, (esp. when it comes to playing--even recently she came outside to 'see' the playdoo--her body language was enough to 'kill any child's emotions', never mind her comments-such negative)..

And, most importantly, you wouldn't be stating, "God told you to pursue material things"...if anything God tells us: "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, wehre moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is , there your heart will be also. (Matthew 6:19)

This means, we shouldn't be aiming for material things, as when we die, that doesn't matter,,,what will matter is what we have done for others.

Storing 'treasures' up in 'heaven' means: doing unto others, what we would like 'others' to do unto us. For ex.: helping family/friends, asking for forgiveness and working through difficult situations, being kind to others in public situations, giving of 'material' items--(with K/J --giving away all the 'material things' they have received for FREE instead of 'yearly' garage sales and earning more money), opening your door to neighbours--(they certainly cannot do this with a huge gate/fense around their home, and much more).

I do hope this answers some of your question. There's so much more, but it would take forever to write. I've attempted to highlight the "main points" God wants 'us' to aim towards.

Oh, if K/J were really, 'living the Christian life', we'd also see the children's behaviour imitating the 'fruits of the spirit", as what parents LIVE, is what children IMITATE. (we still see the children hit each other, we see rude behaviour, we see the way the children speak to each other, this would be 'improving' and we'd see the children asking for 'forgiveness' and saying 'sorry' if K/J were living this, "Christian" lifestyle).

Yes, we see a lot of wonderful smiles with the children, and they are "adorable", as I love all children. But, being in front of the camera, for all the world to see, and filming some of their 'personal' aspects, is not what God intended for children.

This is just IMO. Thankyou for letting me 'attempt' to answer this 'serious' question.
I do 'love' the children, but don't think this is the 'best' live they could be living.

This IMO!

RuthinVA said...

3rd Rock From the Sun said...Could someone please tell me why the "fans" don't see Kate for what she truely is. Are all the "fans" in denial, just like Kate?

1/10/2009 10:47 AM

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The only explaination I can think of is that they are women that are controlled by some man in their life and enjoy Kate telling Jon off. Maybe, they agree with the no reduction plan.
Maybe they fight with their husband the same way Kate does and this validates their behavior.
The only reason I can come up with is there is something Jon and Kate do that validates undesirable behavior in which they also participate and Jon and Kate makes their behavior acceptable in their own minds.

Marissa said...

How is the Gosselin family paying for their medical bills? Do you think that they are paying for a private medical plan? Or is TLC/Figure 8 paying for it? I wouldn't think that they are just paying out of pocket for all of their medical appointments. Just wondering.

Tammy H. said...

Nathalie said...
Tammy, do you really want to keep seeing the same shows over and over again on the Marathons? They cut the marathons down because they want more excitement for the new episodes.

I don't think you understood what I was talking about. Yes, I understand they are promoting their other shows. I am tired of TLC (THE LEARNING CHANNEL)being all about KON! and their marathons & having an a couple of episodes on every day. I was talking about....it seems like TLC is weening J&K+8 off the air-IMO. I have basically quit watching old and new episodes. I would watch it more if it was about the kids and how they are, but I could give a flip less about KON and their thoughts or lies and deception.
And to yeaisaidthat (who posted my earlier blog about me being from TN and about the show where Collin had some tummy trouble and TLC aired it (granted not up close and personal) while leaving the microphones on Jon and Collin. I had forgot TLC also provided play by play sub titles of Jon instructing his son what to 'do' & then TLC also provided an additional couch confessional narrative by Jon, complete with hand gestures, for the viewers who tuned in late. That was very distasteful and out of line for any network to do that (show on air) to a poor little boy who was begging for his mother to help him but she needed to decide if she wanted white or pine bunk beds.

Ya know...Kate says she's a nurse but when it comes to things nurses should be able to handle or take care, it's like she freaks out or plays dumb..EXAMPLE: Jon's staples, Collin's tummy trouble, Leah busting her lip, Alexis cutting her eye and numerous other little accidents. I have 1 semester to graduate with a bachelor's in nursing, so that's why I stated my opinion on Kate (& her nursing abilities). Yeah, it is a little different when it's your kid who's bleeding but IMO she acts dumb! Oh well, just another 1 of my many thoughts of Kate.

Sydney said...

Marie said...
wramblinwreck said...
The Gosselins pimped their kids on TV in order to buy their estate. Neither the Roloffs nor the Duggars have done that.
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So The Duggars just so happend to be able to save enough money to build that HUGE house they live in right after their specials were taped?
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There were specials about the Duggar family long before they moved into their big home. In fact, the Duggars were building that home by THEMSELVES, even the girls had their own tools. They worked hard on that home for three years, they were paying for the supplies as they went along, and owed no one anything. Then TLC stepped in and helped finish it. There were some problems the real builders had to work around, because the Duggar family did do some things unprofessionally. They had to speed things up because the home they were living in while they were building was going to be torn down to build something else or something. They were renting that smaller house. But TLC did finish it and did furnish it, and I think that was great.

Tammy H. said...

Did anyone here ever watch the reality show on MTV about Ozzy & Sharon Osbourne and their kids? For the longest time, I thought they only had 2 kids (Kelly & Jack) but in an interview with Sharon that I watched, she said their oldest daughter, Aimee, didn't want the camera's around her and she didn't want to be on the show...and not 1 time did MTV show her. MTV went out of their way to give the Osbourne's oldest her privacy, but you don't see TLC giving a flip about which Gosselin child needs a little privacy; they even get in their faces when they are crying. Mady has tried many times (covering herself w/ a blanket, pushing the camera away, holding her hand up)to avoid the camera but to no avail. That just shows you that the children have no rights to privacy-they might if the parents would fight for them, but all KON fights for is more air time, money and freebies.

BTW, Ozzy has a total of 5 kids but only 3 with Sharon.

Nathalie said...

No Tammi, I did understand your point. You were talking about less marathons and less exposure of the show. I think my answer on weening people off for a while only wets the appetite for more/the new episodes.

Tammy H. said...

Sorry everyone, but my brain must be stuck on KON today...Here is another pet peeve of mine towards Kate. She throws huge hissy fits when it comes to the kids clothes. Just like @ the bakery, she wouldn't let them eat their cupcakes because they had on "Sunday clothes" (and a HUGE APRON)-Jon told her that 1 day she would regret not letting them be kids, but Kate got her way, and the boys still didn't get to eat their cupcakes. At Disney, I believe it was Leah, who got ice cream on her dress, and Kate had another melt down at Jon and took all their ice creams away...BUT when they were in Utah, Kate was washing clothes and she stated she felt @ home in the laundry room and loved washing the clothes..so why does she not allow them to be normal kids...she expects them to be perfect in appearance. I know Jon doesn't feel the same way about this as Kate does, cause anytime he mentions letting them act like kids, she then reminds him how much trouble it is to watch all their clothes and to get stains out. All she does is put them in the washer/dryer...someone else folds and puts them up, so what's the big deal?)
But here is the example where Kate talks out of both sides of her mouth...Leah used to get upset & throw up when KON would be leaving and the kids had to stay @ home (and they mentioned Hannah did it, too) but Kate only said this about Leah. She made the comment that she has made Leah wear a throw up stained outfit (a few times) all day long if she (Leah) got upset and MADE herself throw up when Kon was going out and by doing that she had broke her from throwing up. Now how many of us believe she actually made Leah wear the throw up stained shirt all day? (If it was the boys, probably!) Not me for a minute, especially the way Kate is about perfect appearances. She is more concerned with the outward appearance than their inward appearance.

Ravello said...

"Speaking of Jole can anyone tell me the answer to this? When Kate had Joel on the laundry room floor while she did the clean up did she leave him there after she was done and went to another room?"

Someone upthread had a question about Joel Gate. From my recollection- The girls were ill first and there were scenes of Kate carrying and cuddling her beloved Hannie, as any parent of a sick child normally does. There were also scenes of her caring for one of the other girl tups. Then the cameraman alerted Kate to the fact Joel was vomiting in his bed. She sees him and shrieks loudly " Oh Joel your comforter". She does not carry, cuddle console or love him in any way. It appears he is taken to the bathtub to be cleaned. Then we see him laid to rest on the laundry room floor, lying over a thin blanket. Kate maakes a comment that some sick kids are put on the floor. Then we see her making awful faces and complaining bitterly about how his comforter stinks , she has more laundry to do and she puts a mask on to clean the comforter. Then we see Jon open the closed laundry room floor and he says " Kate, Joel is burning up did you give him something? Jon appears to take him out of the laundry room to their bedroom. I am not sure how much time elapsed but Joel was on the laundry room floor from the time Kate laid him there until Jon got home and rescued him. The door was closed, he was a feverish vomiting 3 year old, God only knows what could have happened to him alone in that room. My son had a febrile seizure at about this age, luckily I was in the kitchen and he was on the adjacaent family room couch. Never in a million years would I put an ill child in a closed room on the floor. This woman is beyond sick.

At no time did we see Kate show any concern or love to the boy. I have never been so upset by a TV show as Joelgate, this was my tipping point against Kate Gosselin. I did not sleep a wink that night worrying about the plight of these children.

As someone said earlier, many of these episodes are heavily edited after the first run, probably based on GWOP comments. So if someone saw the episode today, the events likely will be edited.

wramblinwreck said...

I just read a NYT article about the estimated value of an endorsement for BlackBerry from the president-elect, since it's been reported he's reluctant to give it up, and it reminded me of the recent discussion about what Kon might be earning from endorsements. Here are excerpts from the article (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/business/media/09blackberry.html?no_interstitial):

"This week, Michael Phelps signed a deal worth more than $1 million to advertise Mazda in China. Jerry Seinfeld earned a reported $10 million to appear in Microsoft’s recent television campaign."

"What could the “BlackBerry president” charge for his plugs of the device if he were not a public servant? More than $25 million, marketing experts say, and maybe as much as $50 million."

This is where the megabucks are earned, by actual, high-profile folks. Kon? Chump change (if any).

pinkdiamond611 said...

Re: the Duggars and Roloffs.

If their shows ended would it be catastrophic financially to the families? NO. The show is not their only source of income nor is the show their "life". Yes, they are getting extra income and perks now, but if the show ended tomorrow they could shrug their shoulders and say "Oh well, it was fun while it lasted". The Kons, otoh, have no jobs, no family, no friends, nothing but living off the kids.

Diane said...

The Roloff's show began in March 2006, and the Gosselins April 2007. Unlike the Gosselin tups, who were babies and the twins who were 4, Jacob was no baby when the Roloffs began their show, he was 9 years old, plenty old enough to speak up for himself.

Yes, a 9 year old can speak for themselves but they are hardly capable of understanding what a reality show really is (ie. how many people would see it, internet comments resulting from it, etc.) and the possible negative impact it might have on them in the future. IMO, that's a parent's job--to make decisions that a child is incapable of. Any parent that chooses to put their minor children on TV for their life to be viewed by millions is not thinking straight.

Tammy H. said...

PLEASE READ THIS ARTICLE i JUST RAN ACROSS...I ABOUT SENT MYSELF TO THE LAUNDRY ROOM FLOOR TO THROW UP!!!
http://
growingyourbaby.com/2008/12/08/fame-hasnt-changed-the-gosselins/


Nathalie...OK..gotcha. My brain is racing a mile a minute and I missed your point.

Robert said...

3rd Rock...I don't believe that "fans" are in denial. I also don't believe anyone who tunes into the show is a "fan." I'd say the average person who watches the show doesn't have the time or desire to care one way or the other about the Gosselins. They just think the kids are cute and watch maybe because nothing better is on. I watch the show and turn it off. And I can promise I don't think about Kate Gosselin until I see the show again. Well, that's not true, I found this board and think about her sometimes now. I feel she's a totally awful person, but that doesn't mean I was ever in denial of that. I just didn't care about her. To say that "fans" are in denial is unfair, in my opinion.

wramblinwreck said...

"Yes, a 9 year old can speak for themselves but they are hardly capable of understanding what a reality show really is (ie. how many people would see it, internet comments resulting from it, etc.) and the possible negative impact it might have on them in the future."

A 9 year old is certainly capable of understanding the basic concept of being followed by cameras filming what they're doing and then having it shown on TV for their millions of people, and expressing their feelings about that. All of the Roloff kids were of an age where they could understand that and express themselves about it at the onset of their show. The Gosselin kids were not. Based on what we've seen of Mady and Cara's attitude toward the cameras, especially in the recent season, if they had been 7 year olds at the onset of filming, it appears they would have made their feelings about the intrusion of cameras into their lives very clear to their parents.

konspiracytheory said...

then when it was time to have them, she had a C-Section. Big difference when you actually GIVE birth and have them naturally!
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Thanks to the posters who stood up for women who have had C sections. My first c section was an emergency after 40 hours of labor - I was not fully anesthetized when they cut into me. No walk in the park, I assure you. My second c-section was an emergency after only four hours of labor - the doctor told me after he pulled my son out that my uterus was on the verge of rupturing - also no walk in the park. My third and final c-section was scheduled - even when there's no drama associated with the section, recovery for many women is slow and painful - no need for guilt to be added to the process.

Phyllis said...

3rd Rock From The Sun: Kate's excuse for their family not being around is "because they didn't know how to help us." Well then, why didn't Kate TELL them how to help? We all know that Kate is good at telling people what to do.

Oh, she told them how to help. She told them to help her by getting her six matching brand-new everything instead of used and non-matching hand-me-downs. Then she told them to help her by giving her cash instead so she could go buy six matching brand-new everything instead of used and non-matching hand-me-downs. When they didn't bow down to her, she kicked them out of her life.

Dooney: I heard Kate say something to the effect that they go on all the fancy vacations because otherwise they would just sit around, stare at each other, and be bored. All I could think was Huhhhh?!!! In the same vein, when Jon was left all day “alone” with the kids (well, without Kate) in a recent episode, he worried about not being able to think of enough things for them to do. Double Huhhhh?!!!

Seriously? Do they not own freaking BOOKS (other than the Bible and "Multiple Blessings")? BOARD GAMES? Most kids love to be read to. The twins could even read Little Golden Books to them or "big kid books" to themselves. Board games? The tups are at the perfect age for Candy Land, Chutes and Ladders, and Memory. The twins are old enough for games like Sorry, Parchesi, or checkers.

Gosselins vs. Duggars vs. Roloffs: I don't watch Little People, Big World so I can't comment on the Roloffs. However, I don't like Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar any more than I like Jon and Kate, just in a different way. Talk about choosing between the frying pan and the fire! I think most of the kids from both families are going to be messed up by the time they grow up.

Jen said...

Sorry that I always bring up the Make-A-Wish Foundation, but my experiences working there always come to mind when thinking about the Gosselins.

In addition to working at Make-A-Wish, I'm also a wish-granting volunteer. In other words, I visit the children at their homes to help them describe their wishes, help the parents with paperwork, etc.

A standard question on the paperwork is whether or not a child is approved by the parents for publicity -- i.e., using the child's photo on the website, in the newsletter, etc. (Note: We never pressure the parents about this, and we also go to them on a case-by-case basis so that they can approve the photo that is being used and where it's featured. If a parent signs the form, they would never end up driving down the highway and see their child's face on a billboard without knowing about it first!)

I recently worked on a wish, and thought of the Gosselins when I asked the mother if she would approve her son for publicity. She thoughtfully considered it and politely declined. I didn't ask for a reason, but she offered one: "My son is five years old. I personally would have no problem with publicity...after all, I've worked in the media. But he is not old enough to make that decision for himself, and I need to respect that."

If only Jon and Kate had that mind set.

Davida said...

The Gosselins, Roloffs, and Duggars are similar in that they have tv shows on TLC. They are different for tons of reasons though. The Roloffs actually have a story to tell. They have overcome so much and show us all that little people are no different than we are. The Duggars sort of have a story to tell. But they seem to be 100% accountable to their situation. They didn't have all those kids for publicity. It's all about their religion and their strict adherence to the Quiverful movement. They made their own money to build that house in commercial real estate. The Gosselins had children and act as if it's the end of the world. People must help and help all they can. The Gosselins feel entitled. Others are responsible for a decision that they made. That's the biggest difference.

But in the end, they all make money from their families in some way -- but some more than others (Gosselins, I'm lookin' at you).

yeaisaidthat said...

Any parent that chooses to put their minor children on TV for their life to be viewed by millions is not thinking straight.

Additionally, ANY parent who USES their children as the terms and conditions to orchestrate, fulfill, and maintain their (the parents) own self serving agenda(s), are in FACT child exploiters!

CatWoman said...

To the lady who is a nursing student (and Congrats, BTW!)-- I am a nurse and a mom, and I have had SEVERAL instances of "freaking out " when it has been MY child: bleeding, Losing consciousness and turning blue(yes it's happened ) etc. Only thing I can figure is: when it's YOUR kid, well , it's different. For some of us. I have had coworkers agree totally with this, btw. And I CAN handle things, at work and with people with whom I am not emotionally involved. SO: when Kate appears to not handle the staples, blood whatever: It COULD be what I have described...then again we are discussing Kate G. so maybe she IS just a cold-hearted Witch too..hard to say! BTW: Putting a FEBRILE child, esp of that age, alone on a hard and cold floor for ??? amt. of time? Unheard of! Even his clueless Slacker-Dad knew better. Yeah, he was vomiting..so give him a anti-fever SUPPOSITORY. Oh wait, that's nasty and Jon deals with THAT dept, that's right! SO--let him burn up til your servant gets home maybe he can do it and then TLC can film it AND they all can couch-analyze it later, complete with hand descriptors. These people are pieces of Work.

karen0101 said...

There were specials about the Duggar family long before they moved into their big home. In fact, the Duggars were building that home by THEMSELVES, even the girls had their own tools. They worked hard on that home for three years, they were paying for the supplies as they went along, and owed no one anything. Then TLC stepped in and helped finish it. There were some problems the real builders had to work around, because the Duggar family did do some things unprofessionally.

I didn't know that. Thank God someone stepped in. If the Duggars continued to build their home unprofessionally, as you say, it could have cost more than money. It could have cost someone their life. This tells me that the Duggars have a bunch of kids they could not afford to house safely without the help of TLC but they were willing to keep on having babies anyway. I see nothing admirable about them.

Janina said...

On 12/12/08 The Soup again featured a snippet from the J&K couch. This time it was from the Twins Play Mommy for a Day ep.

charlottsmom said...

I was watching the episode of "Going to see Thomas the Tank Engine".
Kate was going on about how boys are so disobedient...etc.etc.
In the same show Cara pushed Joel out the door by his head, then Mady said something nasty about Joela and of course Mother Dear Kate agrees and encourages the comment. Unbelieveable. I don't know why Joel is the black sheep. He seems so out of it and passive why are they after him. He will have such issues when he is older. He will be very angry and rebellious. I can see him getting even. Jon just goes right along with Kate during the couch interview and doesnt stick up for the boys. Nice Jon.

charlottsmom said...

Oh I forgot to add to my previous comment I was switching between the "Thomas the Tank Engine" episode and Nancy Grace having the tapes of Casey Anthony on and I found myself wanting to watch that animal Casey Anthony more than Kate. What's that say?

Anonymomma said...

A few years ago, I was approached by my brother in law and his fiance about my four year old daughter being the flower girl in their wedding. In the four years since she was born, they had spent very litle time with her. A few hours at holiday dinners or birthday parties, three or four times a year. That was it. So I declined. They were pissed, and I heard it from my mother in law for a very, very long time. About how pretty she would have looked, and what did it matter anyway because my brother in law would have bought the dress and flowers and it would have costed me nothing.

The point was and still is, she is not a doll. She is not to be put on display. That wedding was massive, with a lot of guests attending. About 1/3 of whom she had never seen before.

I really wish KON would grasp this concept.

Janina said...

zoey said...
in this article i was wondering what kate meant by "And I'm trying to trust God to have the right response to Jon."

God doesn't respond to Jon? ha ha ha

http://www.christianitytoday.com/tcw/2009/janfeb/1.22.html?start=4


I took this to mean that she is trusting God for herself to be able to respond to Jon in the correct way, as she further admits she is hard on him. (That's an understatement!)

shawna said...

In regards to Jon and Kate being compared to The Roloffs....

No comparison!

The Roloffs actually work! Matt at his company and Amy at the pre-school. They both do speaking engagements along with THEIR REGULAR jobs. They didn't quit their jobs when they gained popularity. They have a huge working farm. The children have always helped them sell peaches and pumpkins I think that is the direction that Kon is trying to go... maybe horse breeding, apple orchard and for sure a huge play house, pirate ship and ghost town.

The Roloff twin boys are 18 (legal now) and I have never seen their daughter and youngest son sitting on the potty or taking a bath or the inside of their bedrooms. I am guessing that Matt and Amy ask their children what they would like filmed or if the camara can film them here. I mean the older boys went camping and took their own camara and filmed it for TLC. They have their privacy when and if needed

Jon and Kate should take note of the Rollofs. Respect your children's privacy!!

heatherfeather022 said...

I just found this site after nosing around, I have been a Jon and Kate fan since Season One. But this new season is irking me. Does Jon work anymore? All they do is travel and get free stuff. Everytime the kids are playing it is with Jon because Kate is busy. I recently read soemthing about Jodi and Beth no longer in their lives? Someone fill me in? Also it doesn't surprise me because they cut out their own families and when asked about it, they beat around the bush.

Anonymomma said...

First person to count all of the "I"'s in Kate's book that is supposedly about the kids gets free Juicy Juice!!!

Seriously though, because I don't own a copy and I don't plan on it. I read that little excerpt from the christian women website and in a few pages, the word "I" was in nearly every single sentence.

So here's a challenge for anyone out there, maybe something to do the next time this show airs and you'd rather stab your eyes with forks lol. How many "I"'s are in the book Multiple Blessings?

Just wondering....

momSharon said...

Kate's labor intensive soup making (soup is one of the easiest things to make!) was just another attempt to try to make her seem like just another mom. Other moms do not get free everything and find it neceassry to belittle their children (and husband)every chance they get. When Jon and Kate told the kids they were moving, the way she talked to those children was disgraceful. It brought me past the point of thinking how terrible these people are, to really realising that TV or not, these are REAL children with REAL feelings. How can parents (especially this horrible mother) look at their children and talk to them and treat them the way these 2 do? Those little faces-especially Alexis-when Kate is telling her she is a disturber and then making fun of her with soup on her face, how can you do that to your child? Kate is a LOW LIFE and this new found fame and fortune doesn't disguise this fact. You can dress a pig up but in the end, a pig is still a pig!

I LOVE MY SON! said...

Tammy H. said...

But here is the example where Kate talks out of both sides of her mouth...Leah used to get upset & throw up when KON would be leaving and the kids had to stay @ home (and they mentioned Hannah did it, too) but Kate only said this about Leah. She made the comment that she has made Leah wear a throw up stained outfit (a few times) all day long if she (Leah) got upset and MADE herself throw up when Kon was going out and by doing that she had broke her from throwing up. Now how many of us believe she actually made Leah wear the throw up stained shirt all day? (If it was the boys, probably!) Not me for a minute, especially the way Kate is about perfect appearances. She is more concerned with the outward appearance than their inward appearance.

1/10/2009 12:34 PM

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Another prime example of Kate being cold hearted! In her book Kate wrote Leah was born with an acid reflux disorder which caused her to vomit frequently as an infant. I'm sure when Leah gets nervous the condition only gets worse. But hey Leah should have known better then to inconvenience her royal majesty.

Tangerine Tanya said...

Tammy H,

Yes I watched the Osbourne show and I know that one of their daughter's named Aimee chosed not to be filmed.

As far as the Joel episode when he was feverish and threw up I would not be thinking about a damn comforter. I dont think that a bath was necessary either. A warm wash cloth, clean jammies,some fluids and some cuddeling would have done wonders. I just dont understand Kate's thinking.

IRATEb/cofKate said...

Reading all these comments about Joel sick and on the cold floor really makes me wonder where Kate would even think of something so cruel. My mom does not like puke and it was always my fathers job to clean it up when I was little, but that is because she would have been puking too. She did however, sit with me (I was in my BED), rub my back...anything to make me feel better. Anyone with common sense knows that being on a COLD floor with a fever is not smart. And she's a nurse, give me a break.

I haven't gone back to look, but has anyone else noticed that the only time Kate read to her children was when it promoted Despereaux? Pretty sick, huh?

I do not have children yet, but when I do, I will be reading to them before bed. Oh, I'll probably let them see their family too. And if I have boys, I will not be grossed out. And I promise my future husband that I will not belittle his every move. And never, ever would I exploit my children. The list could go on...

Marie-France said...

IRATEb/cofKate said...
I haven't gone back to look, but has anyone else noticed that the only time Kate read to her children was when it promoted Despereaux? Pretty sick, huh?

Yes, that was totally fake. She wasn't reading to them - it was just the usual staged crap. Did you notice that Kate could barely pronounce some of the words as she read? She's pathetic.

justsomeinfo said...

Tammy - good point about the Osbournes. However, my recollection is that at the time, Aimee Osbourne was not a minor, and so could make her own decision about being on the show or not. Of course, any NORMAL parent (and I do consider Sharon & Ozzy normal in regard to being good, albeit unconventional, parents) wouldn't force their kid to be on a show even if they are a minor, but then that's why we're all here, right!...

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Tammy H. said...
Did anyone here ever watch the reality show on MTV about Ozzy & Sharon Osbourne and their kids? For the longest time, I thought they only had 2 kids (Kelly & Jack) but in an interview with Sharon that I watched, she said their oldest daughter, Aimee, didn't want the camera's around her and she didn't want to be on the show...and not 1 time did MTV show her. MTV went out of their way to give the Osbourne's oldest her privacy, but you don't see TLC giving a flip about which Gosselin child needs a little privacy; they even get in their faces when they are crying. Mady has tried many times (covering herself w/ a blanket, pushing the camera away, holding her hand up)to avoid the camera but to no avail. That just shows you that the children have no rights to privacy-they might if the parents would fight for them, but all KON fights for is more air time, money and freebies.

BTW, Ozzy has a total of 5 kids but only 3 with Sharon.

damagedgoods said...

A note about the whole Gosselin/Roloff/Duggar comparisons: I have a cousin who is a little person and I can tell you that from HER mouth, she is very grateful for the show. She said the way she is treated in public now is measurably different. People mention the show to her and ask if she knows the Roloffs. There are fewer mean looks and more kind glances.
I believe this was the original point of the show and so there is no denying the good it has done.

MsPeabody said...

RuthinVA said...
Andy Fan said...
You know they could change the whole show and base it on Kate's phobias and Jon's henpecked husband status.


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I think Kate's phobias are a bunch of BULL. I think she uses them when it suits her and to explain away why she acts the way she does and why she gets so mad. She only wants us to think she is super organized and has OCD to explain why she is always "doing" things instead of playing with her children. Anyone can explain away their undesirable actions by blaming them on phobias.


Ruth, I so agree that her phobias are used as excuses.

MsPeabody said...

Dad of 3 said...
Did anyone else catch this in the wedding episode; It was a half second long and you had to be paying attention. One of the babies walks towards a sitting, brooding kate and she snaps to the child "I dont want you". before Kate finishes the sentence the child has bolted back in the opposite direction, as if they had heard that before. Coming from a caring, nurturing mother the child would have been shocked and/or would have continued to move forward, not beleiving what they had just heard from their mother. Anyway, that was the last episode I watched and will never waste my time watching another one. Just curious if anyone else caught that snippet.

Oh Wow! I didn't see that but it sounds awful. What a horrible thing to say to any child let alone one's own.

MsPeabody said...

SKB516 said...
I watched the bed buying episode yesterday too & they did indeed show the part with Collin in the back of the van. Jon described using the plastic bag to "help" him out & everything. They showed every part that I recall seeing when it originally aired.


I do not know why I didn't see the original part of Jon helping Collin out in the back of the van unless it was for some other reason than editing but regardless, I saw enough of what happened to make me sick and repulsed. Who takes a child out, who is sick and in pain, just to pick out beds and then broadcast it all over t.v.?

RuthinVA said...

damagedgoods said...
A note about the whole Gosselin/Roloff/Duggar comparisons: I have a cousin who is a little person and I can tell you that from HER mouth, she is very grateful for the show. She said the way she is treated in public now is measurably different. People mention the show to her and ask if she knows the Roloffs. There are fewer mean looks and more kind glances.
I believe this was the original point of the show and so there is no denying the good it has done.

1/11/2009 5:00 AM
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That is really nice to know. I am glad it has helped her. Families with a lot of children are a dime a dozen but I do not know any little people.

I LOVE MY SON! said...

I wish Kate and her flock of sheeple would realize the damage she is doing to her children. I think the boys are or will be the most affected.

When each of the boys had their special day Kate did not attend stating "Aunt Jodi needed a break" and "the boys needed to bond with Jon".

The boys are treated like second class citizens by their mother. These aren't things that have been misconstrued by the public due to malicious editing or Kate being misquoted like she has claimed before.

I can honestly say when the show first started I truly enjoyed it. As I'm sure most of you did as well. We didn't start off wanting to dislike Kate. However, as the show progressed Kate's true colors started to show and it was apparent that the children were being exploited only for profit.

I would just like to ask the pro-Kater's if Jon and Kate didn't have the children would they have a show? No. Yes, it's a reality show that lets us view a famiy struggling with multiples. We get that already.

What I don't get is the struggling part. When have the struggled? When have they worried about not having enough food to feed their kids or pay the hospital bills from the birth?!

I read her book and when ever they started to struggle someone would step in and help out. Why? Because Kate whines to anyone and everyone how hard it has been for her. The sacrifices she and Jon have endured at the sake of their kids.

The only struggle these two have had is getting to the airport in time. I will say that after reading the book I like Jon even more then before. Kate, not so much.

wramblinwreck said...

"TLC stepped in and helped finish it. There were some problems the real builders had to work around, because the Duggar family did do some things unprofessionally."

Do you have a reference for this information? I think I've seen this claim on TWoP but no supporting reference (like a news article, etc.). The news articles I've found about the construction of their house (The Anniston Star 2005, The Arkansas Traveler 2006) don't mention that TLC was involved in the construction of the house.

"Thank God someone stepped in. If the Duggars continued to build their home unprofessionally, as you say, it could have cost more than money. It could have cost someone their life."

Fortunately, "unprofessional" doesn't necessarily equate to life-threatening. There are a wide range of things that can be done unprofessionally that are more about appearances. My dad was a building inspector for the city for many years and a contractor before that, and he's said while residential construction must be built to code and pass inspections for the fundamental safety issues, people will cut corners in other areas to save money, which you can see in the finishing details. He knew the builders he'd hire, and those he just rolled his eyes if mentioned.

IRATEb/cofKate said...

Marie-France:

When Kate was reading, I was completely bored. She had no emotion and her kids looked like they were not used to the whole reading a book thing. I totally agree with your observation...she really couldn't pronounce many of those words! Maybe because she likes to make up her own? It was really pathetic to watch and painfully fake!

beachluvin said...

This is a quote from the interview Kate gave here:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/tcw/2009/janfeb/1.22.html

Interviewer: Will the show continue after the sextuplets go to school this fall?

Kate: I don’t know. You’d have to ask God. We don’t ever know where we’re going to be and what we’re going to be doing. "I don’t have a grand plan anymore." I’m okay to be wherever God wants us.

Kate doesn't have a grand plan "anymore".....now that she has sold her kids childhood to the highest bidder.

Gina said...

Back to the buying bunk beds episode. What was Kate thinking when she wanted 8 kids to go with her to choose bunk beds? They were 3 years old for goodness sake. They were running around the store and making everybody nervous (excpet Kate) She sat there chomping her gum and ignored Collin. She just likes being on display.

Harriet said...

There is a perfect example of Kate's greed, lack of self-awareness, and lack of consideration or caring for anyone but Kate. How many normal people would not have canceled the show after seeing themselves in that episode and wanted to go hide from the world from embarrassment?

She knew she was getting the beds free and it seemed to me at the time that she was all for getting the most she could and that's why she was studying the brochures like her life depended on it. She had to figure how to get the highest dollar value she could wrangle. That's why the trundles were such a huge deal for her. Get that last little add-on Kate whether you need it or not.

Mary said...

I have to agree with "damagedgoods" about the comparison with the Roloffs. To me, this show was not created just because of the children. It was to show how little people cope with everyday life. I felt I learned something watching it. You get to learn about their feelings and the adjustments they have to make to function in this world.

Watching the Gosselins is a whole other story.

anon1967 said...

Ms Peabody said:
"They also showed part of the epi where collin was so constipated but they didn't show how Jon had to take him outside and help the little guy out"
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I caught the beginning of that show before I changed the channel, and noticed it seemed different, I don't remember the last one starting out about that not being their forever home, I think that change was to prepare for the big move. I can't stand when I catch the show when I'm flipping channels.
The one one now on Discovery is "The pregnant Man". There is no reason to exploit the children of this family either. I hope that down the road, these children sue the crap out of Discovery and TLC.

Sophia said...

About the interview with the Christian mag that someone posted and the excerpt from Beth's book. I think one of two things.

Either Kate has always been this "religious" and really lives and speaks this way. In which case, it's no wonder why Fig8 edits it out. They never would have gained the viewership that they have if Kate was shown on the show like she speaks in her Christian interviews or the book.

Or she realized she could use her religion to sell, I mean share, her message with others. Either way, she sounds a little nutty.

Kate seems to use God at her convenience. I understand believing that God has a hand in one's life but she seems to act like God is literally controlling her life, as if God was a person telling her what to do. She acts like she has no free will and that she doesn't make choices for herself. Also, for someone who has proclaimed to have given control over to God, she sure does still like to control anything she can.

I just have to roll my eyes. I guess Kate treats religion like she does parenting. She uses religion without actually living it just like she parents without actually parenting.

ChinaMomof4 said...

I don't buy for one minute Kate's comments that TLC doesn't show their religious beliefs. I don't think they have any religious beliefs to show! TLC is the same network that broadcasts the Duggars, whose religious beliefs are a big part of the show and who are more conservative than many other families. TLC also doesn't shy away from Christian references in LPBW. So why would they not show the Gosselins praying or doing other everyday Christian activities? Because they aren't any to show!

It's easy to SAY you are Christian and a lot harder to SHOW it.

my9cats said...

Gina said...
Back to the buying bunk beds episode. What was Kate thinking when she wanted 8 kids to go with her to choose bunk beds? They were 3 years old for goodness sake. They were running around the store and making everybody nervous (excpet Kate) She sat there chomping her gum and ignored Collin. She just likes being on display.

1/11/2009 8:52 AM


I can't imagine ANY parent in their right mind taking 8 small children to a store to buy beds. They are not needed. IMO the only reason the kids were there was that it was 'the cost of doing business'. Fig8 + store + kids on display = free beds and a show for which KON was compensated for. Win-win for all except the kids. It was poor Colins bad luck to be ill. Oh well, the show must go on!

beachluvin said...

I watched a rerun of the Roloffs when they went to Maui. The hotel provided Amy with a custom made robe just her size. She comments on how she is not used to being treated so well and not used to having people doing things for her and seemed a little choked up. She is genuinely grateful for everything she is given where Kate "expects" it and never seems grateful at all!!!
That is the difference between the two of them!!!

Irish-Gal said...

I have a quick question for all of you. Is the Gosselin house currently on the market? I can imagine it taking a looong time to sell; nobody but a complete sheeple would likely buy it. Imagine inviting all of your friends over for a hosewarming party and when you go to show them around, they know the place just as well as you do. Bizarre. You're a complete stranger, yet you know Mady had a tantrum here, Alexis got a time-out there, etc. It sort of reminds me of how I believe the Ramsey's house in Colorado has changed hands at least half a dozen times within the past ten years. I'm not comparing the Gosselin's situation with death, but just that it would be so odd to know what happened happened in certain spot. I keep thinking of doing laundry and looking down at the cold, hard floor, picturing little Joel vomiting.

DirtyDisher said...

Since we're mentioning "joel-gate" I'd like to point out that not only did Kate leave the poor sick kid laying on the hard floor, but, her industrial washers and dryers were going at the time. Man, that'd be painful. That was about the time I realized her heartlessness was no joke.

RuthinVA said...

Irish-Gal said...
I have a quick question for all of you. Is the Gosselin house currently on the market? I can imagine it taking a looong time to sell; nobody but a complete sheeple would likely buy it. Imagine inviting all of your friends over for a hosewarming party and when you go to show them around, they know the place just as well as you do. Bizarre.

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I know you ment housewarming party but I think hosing it down is a pretty good idea. It would get rid of all the Jon and Kate crap. Do you think that was subliminal?

Donna said...

I have seen a total of 2 of these shows. I admitted I watched out of curiosity. I also have multiple multiples (2 sets of triplets) and I was curious to see how this family lived. I was appalled at how she treated both her husband and the children. Halfway through the second show I called her fake and turned it off.

Teryn said...

Regarding the posts about their religion....

I was watching the episode the other day about Jon's 30th birthday. He was clearly drunk at that Japanese restaurant.

Wonder what their church thought of that?

daveydonuts said...

I've never posted before so I'm not sure where to put this...yesterday I attended one of Jon & Kate's speaking engagements in Utica, NY & I wanted to pass along some info about it.

Actually it was supposed to be Jon & Kate, but before they brought Kate onstage, they announced that Jon was not there. They said they found out on Thursday that he would not be coming. When Kate came out, she explained that he had been on a shoot (didn't say where) last week and he wanted to stay home because he hadn't seen the kids all week. She said that Cara was on the shoot with him, and she praised Mady for being a big help at home.

She spoke for almost an hour, basically telling her story the same way it's laid out in the book. There were cards for audience members to answer questions, and she spent about 15 minutes answering them at the end.

There was a book signing, and my mother got her autograph. She was very friendly and gracious. I'm not a fan of Kate's (I was hoping to see Jon), but I thought it was a nice event.

If anyone wants more details feel free to ask!!

Josephine said...

An article about the talk:
http://www.uticaod.com/news/x743979564/Star-of-TV-s-Jon-and-Kate-pays-visit-to-Mohawk-Valley

yeaisaidthat said...

Back to the buying bunk beds episode. What was Kate thinking when she wanted 8 kids to go with her to choose bunk beds? They were 3 years old for goodness sake.

IIRC, Kate's justification for taking ALL the children with her to the furniture store was because the twins got to pick out their beds at age 3 and she wanted to 'keep with tradition' by taking the tups along to pick out their beds. However , the episode took on a disturbing twist when it became ALL about KATE sitting on her a** arguing with a furniture catalog (having nothing to do with the children that SHE made the choice to bring along) and the exploitation of Collin and his impacted bowel.

goawaynow said...

An article about the talk:
http://www.uticaod.com/news/x743979564/Star-of-TV-s-Jon-and-Kate-pays-visit-to-Mohawk-Valley

Same old story J & K have been 'banking' on for over 4 years now. If you really want to see how Kate Gosselin 'operates', watch the movie Mommy Dearest.

Virginia said...

Daveydonuts, did you really waste your time and spirit going to bolster Kate G. and her greed machine speech? I hope you didn't give her any money. She would not have read the question I wrote on my card, guaranteed. She thinks she has a stare that would go through anyone? Oh, my dear, ask me what I do for a living. Katie Irene is a powder puff at intimidation unless those she tries to intimidate are children or a child-husband-eunich.

Mary Ellen said...

ChinaMomof4 said...
I don't buy for one minute Kate's comments that TLC doesn't show their religious beliefs. I don't think they have any religious beliefs to show! TLC is the same network that broadcasts the Duggars, whose religious beliefs are a big part of the show and who are more conservative than many other families. TLC also doesn't shy away from Christian references in LPBW. So why would they not show the Gosselins praying or doing other everyday Christian activities? Because they aren't any to show!
It's easy to SAY you are Christian and a lot harder to SHOW it.


You are absolutely right! The Roloffs pray out loud as a family all the time. Before meals, before Zack went into the OR when he had that surgery, and other times. You can tell that this is a normal part of their lives. So, for Kate to say that TLC edits their "religion" out of their show is preposterous. Again, we are dealing with a laying, pathological sack of sh*t here in Kate.

beachluvin said...

Josephine said...
An article about the talk:
http://www.uticaod.com/news/x743979564/Star-of-TV-s-Jon-and-Kate-pays-visit-to-Mohawk-Valley
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No mention of the love offering basket. Hmmmm, who paid for those stripes on her head? I can't get over that hair.....LOL!!!

daveydonuts said...

Forgot to mention...I was waiting for them to pass around a collection plate for the "love offering", but they didn't do that or ask for donations. It did cost $10 to attend.

Moms said...

You know the kid throwing up and being laid to rest on the floor show is another example of why the grandparents should be a part of these kids lives.

I think if grandma had walked in on her grandson laying on the floor w/ the flu she would have put her foot up Kate's behind.

beachluvin said...

Davey Donuts:
Jon was on a "shoot?" What kind of a shoot? A movie shoot? A hunting shoot? It's nice that Jon wanted to see his kids, I bet if it was the other way around, Kate would not do the same. Let's see 10x600 = 6000.
Not bad for a couple hours work but how long can she go around telling the world how she got pregnant? I can't believe people want to hear the bull crap that comes out of Kate Gosselin's mouth much less pay to hear it!
Unbelievable!

Janine said...

"Actually it was supposed to be Jon & Kate, but before they brought Kate onstage, they announced that Jon was not there. They said they found out on Thursday that he would not be coming."

Actually, doesn't the $25K speaking fee include BOTH of them? So, I wonder if the church was pissed after they paid the
$25k and only got one of the child pimpers.

AUNTYK.K. said...

"Actually it was supposed to be Jon & Kate, but before they brought Kate onstage, they announced that Jon was not there. They said they found out on Thursday that he would not be coming."

Actually, doesn't the $25K speaking fee include BOTH of them? So, I wonder if the church was pissed after they paid the
$25k and only got one of the child pimpers.

1/11/2009 4:11 PM




I was wondering the same thing....$25,000 for both Kate and Jon...so did the church get to pay her less? Isn't that a 'breech of contract?" to back out within a few days, without being ill?

If any of us did that , with a contract, we better have a good excuse, like being very ill, or having a loved one die...but making these engagements, and cancelling just to 'see your children'? That is not good enough...the church should have cancelled Kate and ASKED for all the money to be returned...and then refunded all the money to the 'group'....
What kind of contract do Kate/jon have that would allow this kind of behaviour?

If the churches 'cancelled them' within 48-72 hours, I'm sure they'd still get there $25,000!

How FRUSTRATING can these people be?


Lets look at this another way...maybe Jon couldn't lie any more so he backed out? What do you all think? Do you think he could possibly think this way? is he maturing at all??

I wonder!!!

BUT< if i were a member of that church I would certainly be putting up a 'fight' about paying her the "full amount"!!!!
A broken contract, is a 'broken contract"...and how could a 'real Christian'' live with themselves doing what she does?

GoSteelers! said...

I don't know, everyone. 600 people went to hear her talk in Utica, and that's not a huge city. That says something about her fan base. She's clearly got a large one. That doesn't give me much hope that this show is going off the air anytime soon.

I do think Kate is very attractive. But, that hair! Is it blond? Is it brown? Are those highlights? Or are those lowlights? It's such a weird creation.

Gina said...

Teryn,

I wonder if Jon and Kate had sexual relations before they were married. In a earlier episode it showed footage of them before they were married and Kate said "When we woke up Christmas morning etc"

daveydonuts said...

She didn't give any details about the type of "shoot." I figured it had to do with skiing since Cara was with him - isn't that the only thing she & Jon do together without the other kids? Kate wouldn't talk about the show at all, except to answer one question about how often they're filmed (3 days a week) and a question about whether Mady & Cara like the cameras. (Her answer was that they have attitudes like any 8-year-olds, and sometimes they decide they don't want to be filmed, so they say "Okay, be gone with you." Then she seemed to realize how that sounded and she said "we tell the cameras that, not the girls."

The church had two stools set up next to each other onstage. If they really knew ahead of time that he wasn't coming, wouldn't they have only had one? I wonder how much notice they really got.

RuthinVA said...

How do the churches pay a $25,000. fee, when they only charge $10. per person. I am sure the church doesn't make up the difference. Seems to me either the 25k was inflated or J&K are losing fans.
Some one posted that their church had reduced the balcony to a $5 charge......I think the word is getting out and I don't mean the exclusive conversations between God and Kate.

Irish-Gal said...

I know you ment housewarming party but I think hosing it down is a pretty good idea. It would get rid of all the Jon and Kate crap. Do you think that was subliminal?

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Alright, that cracked me up!


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IIRC, Kate's justification for taking ALL the children with her to the furniture store was because the twins got to pick out their beds at age 3 and she wanted to 'keep with tradition' by taking the tups along to pick out their beds. However , the episode took on a disturbing twist when it became ALL about KATE sitting on her a** arguing with a furniture catalog (having nothing to do with the children that SHE made the choice to bring along) and the exploitation of Collin and his impacted bowel.

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You know, that may have been a legit excuse if the KIDS actually got to pick out their beds.

Addison said...

Kim said...
Serious question here...

When this show finally does go off the air, What will we move on to?

There are thousands of children out there being forced to be in front of the camera.

The Roloffs? The Duggars? They are both on TLC getting a paycheck from them for showing their kids cute little faces.

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Once Kon is cancelled, maybe we can move on to getting rid of everything else on that disgusting freak channel (Big Medicine, Inside Brookhaven and Half Ton _____ should be the first to go). It can be called TLC without Pity. Lol.

Mary Ellen said...

AUNTY K.K said: Lets look at this another way...maybe Jon couldn't lie any more so he backed out? What do you all think? Do you think he could possibly think this way? is he maturing at all??
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Actually, I think you are on to something here. I think the general consensus is that the marriage is on the rocks at best. I think it's more like a mutual hatred and loathing at this point. So, maybe Jon just said, "No more!" - not because he wants to be with the kids, but because he just can't stand to be around that bitch anymore. The "wanted to spend time with the kids" is a very flimsy excuse when we are talking about a $25k contract here. If it were a death in the family, like you said, that would be a legit situation. But, there are no family!!! They have all been kicked to the curb by Kate. It will be very interesting to see how the speaking engagements continue to play out. Seems like further confirmation that KON is each going their separate ways and leading separate lives. Jon probably loves it when she goes on trips by herself and he doesn't have to put up with her endless hysteria and evil. The kids are probably a lot calmer, too. I would bet that a number of them have symptoms of PTSD at some point from all the trauma inflicted on them at their young ages.

Over The Rainbow Dreams Come True said...

I think that they (reality shows with children under a certain age) need to have laws and people to protect them, no matter what. That's my goal in writing to people and doing what I'm doing. KON in itself needs to be taken off the air, because they don't have the common sense to follow the littlest bit of morals or ethics that most normal people would ordinarilly take to protect the life and souls of what they have so luckily recieved. (Which KON would probably fill in the blank as the freebies, and I say it's the children)
Maybe Kate really thinks God does talk to her and bring her paper towels, maybe she's mentally sicker than anyone thinks, but it always comes down to, why doesn't someone do something about it. I just don't understand that, althgh I do think we are getting some headway, and won't give up.
I hope that family members are doing things behind the scenes too, because they would have the most info on what goes on behind closed doors.
I hope that the grandparents are fighting for their rights, and if anyone else is allowed to do that, follow suit and do the same.
I would think that with all the blogs that care (not fan blogs) about the children, deep down care, not just think they are cute, might just be a sign from God to tell them that it's time to stop, past time.

Marie-France said...

Over the Rainbow Dreams Come True said: Maybe Kate really thinks God does talk to her and bring her paper towels, maybe she's mentally sicker than anyone thinks, but it always comes down to, why doesn't someone do something about it. I just don't understand that, althgh I do think we are getting some headway, and won't give up.
I hope that family members are doing things behind the scenes too, because they would have the most info on what goes on behind closed doors. I hope that the grandparents are fighting for their rights, and if anyone else is allowed to do that, follow suit and do the same.
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I agree with you but would be willing to bet that the grandparents have no rights under the law. I certainly am no lawyer, but I think the only way the grandparents might be able to petition the courts to see/be involved with the grandkids would be for example, if Jon died and his mother (Pamela) wanted to see the kids. The judge could rule that Kate has to give her visitation rights. The same would be true if something happened to Kate and her parents wanted visitation. Are there any lawyers or family court judges reading here who can clarify as to what paths the grandparents or Uncle Kevin and Aunt Jodie could take to intervene or at least have visitation? Is this even an option? BTW, speaking of family court judges, has anyone contacted Judge Judy? She used to be a family court judge for many, many years before she got her show and her heart is still in it. She'd certainly have some strong feelings on KON.

Rachel said...

Regarding Mary Ellen's comment...is it fair to say that the "general consensus" is that the marriage is on the rocks at best? I feel like that is complete speculation and that there is no proof of that. Yeah, they bicker and fight on tv, but that definitely doesn't mean the marriage isn't working out. He didn't show up for an appearance, but to say that means there are major issues in their marriage seems to be really, really stretching it. Unless you have proof. In which case, please share! Thanks.

Irish-Gal said...

Hey, can't kids get a divorce from their parents? Or is that only in Cali?

Cuz the twins might be old enough...

HAHA

Irish-Gal said...

BTW, speaking of family court judges, has anyone contacted Judge Judy? She used to be a family court judge for many, many years before she got her show and her heart is still in it. She'd certainly have some strong feelings on KON.

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They'd make an epi out of it:

"Twins Go On Judge Judy"

The Gosselins pack up so Jon, Kate and the twins can be featured on "Judge Judy". Cara and Mady have some questions to ask and stay tuned to see a surprise departure!

timetogokon said...

You know the kid throwing up and being laid to rest on the floor show is another example of why the grandparents should be a part of these kids lives.

I think if grandma had walked in on her grandson laying on the floor w/ the flu she would have put her foot up Kate's behind.

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Great point. Don't mess with grandma (or grandpa for that matter) when the grandkids are involved =)


My mom once scolded me for giving her precious grandson (my son) a generic brand of pain reliever instead of the name brand Tylenol/Advil. LOL

Mary Ellen said...

Rachel, don't you think the couch confessional sessions alone give us some insight into the kind of "marriage" they have? This does not even take into account what we see/have seen throughout the course of the actual shows over a long period of time. It seems to me that they are business partners (who hate each other), but need to remain partners for the sake of the "business." You are right, I am speculating, but we cannot ignore what we see week after week and I think it is pretty telling. JMO. Thanks.

Gamer said...

Again its the reason relatives are being pushed out of the family picture. They might question Kate on why she does what she does.

And no one questions God, um I mean Kate.

Rachel said...

Mary Ellen...you may certainly be correct. I personally feel that they bicker just to be cute (I HATE when people do that) for the cameras. It's their attempt at acting perhaps.

At any rate, I just feel like there are so many rumors and half-truths out there already (I assume most based on speculation); and I think we're all just searching for the truth about this family. I know I am. I also think at this point that most people tune into the show because of all the negative information that is out there about the family. People are curious and want to watch the trainwreck. Almost as if all the negative information that has come to light is having the opposite effect of what the intention is. I, unfortunately, now watch the show just because it's controversial. That is bad. I need to turn the channel.

AUNTY K.K. said...

We have "Grandparents rights" where I live.--So, they can 'fight' for the right to have access to their 'grandchildren'.

Does anyone here know what kind of laws are in place where K/J live?

If there's no laws in their 'state', what could, or can, the 'other relatives' do to help these children?

I'm really serious here, as I don't know your laws, as I live in Canada and our are VERY different!

wramblinwreck said...

"I personally feel that they bicker just to be cute (I HATE when people do that) for the cameras. It's their attempt at acting perhaps."

If that's true, then it's yet another lie from Kate when she's said that the show is a true depiction of their life.


"I also think at this point that most people tune into the show because of all the negative information that is out there about the family."

It may seem that way, but in fact I think the majority of viewers have no clue about the negative information because I believe the critics are in the minority. While sites like this one help to give a voice to those who aren't fans, I think the admirers showing up at Kon's appearances indicate there are far more people watching the show simply because they like it.

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