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This is for discussion about the Gosselins that doesn't seem to have another place. We'll continue free discussion for at least this next week and see how it goes.

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SenSible said...

I feel that watching this family is just wasting my time that I could spend doing something else.
I'm not interested anymore.

Don't Cancel the Gosselin 8 said...

I have a question, well perhaps it is more of a comment.....

Wont life be much worse for the children if the show were cancelled? I know that they are being exploited and Kate treats them horribly, but if there was no more show I think Kate may treat them even worse. I say this because Kate is VERY attached to the money and all the things that go with. I could honestly see her resenting the children if the show was lost. We all know that in Kates mind nothing is her fault so IMO she would blame the children, especially Mady and Cara.

I don't think canceling the show is going to magically fix the Gosselin household. Canceling the show is not going to bring the family that Kate isolated back, its not going to make Kate any nicer, and its not going to make Jon any less lazy. And if by some chance Kate did go crawling back to family and friends I would be hard pressed to let her back in because really how long will she stick around? Until I don't know how to help her anymore.

So basically I hope the show isn't cancelled because although I know life is horrible right now I think it could get a whole lot worse. Kate is not the same women she was and neither is Jon. Life would not go back to how it was before the show.

Glenda said...

I was just watching the 'Say yes to the dress' marathon on TLC. They showed a commercial for the Monday episode where they tell the kids they are moving. Kate says 'We're moving!' The little ones scream "YEAH!' and either Cara or Mady is sitting next to John and her face is like 'You're kidding me right?' She just looked so sad. I can already hear Kate on the first episode of their new house 'We really like this house it's bigger than the last one. But we are already outgrowing it' She says that everytime they move. I just feel sorry for the twins having to leave their friends at school.

Dunwoody Mom said...

I will not watch the "moving" show. I have not seen an episode in several months.

I wonder how Jon and Kate will explain to the viewing audience how 2 parents with no jobs can afford a new million dollar home?

Sheeple? Got any answers?

RuthinVA said...

I don't think the lives of the children will be worse if the show is cancelled. Kate is all for show, she will let the kids get dirty if knowone is watching. She cares more about impressions than her children being dirt free. The children will have privacy, their lives will be less stressful and maybe Jon will continue to play with his children without cameras.
They won't be dragged all over the place, there should be some normality to their lives. Kate should learn to appreciate outings and material things more since she will have to pay for them. It might even help to humble her attitude. The kids will a much better chance at a typical childhood.

Diane said...

So basically I hope the show isn't cancelled because although I know life is horrible right now I think it could get a whole lot worse. Kate is not the same women she was and neither is Jon. Life would not go back to how it was before the show.

Well the show will go off the air sooner or later, so it is kind of inevitable. I think it is critical that the tups get off camera as soon as possible before they become an age where they realize exactly what is going on (as Mady and Cara seem to be doing already).

As far as Jon and Kate going back to what they used to be like before the show...I think it has been documented in old articles that they have always been the way they are. It seems to me that in the early specials/episodes there was some sort of a "nice" facade, and now as they have gotten more comfortable with the show/cameras, their true colors came out. I don't think the show has really changed them at all. I think they have always been the same immature, self-entitled, greedy people we see today.

noteasybeingstupid said...

I just saw the commercial and you are correct. Mady does not look happy. Neither does Cara. It is so sad. I really believe that Mady and Cara must feel like the outcasts in the family. I feel for them. The 4 year olds have lived nearly their entire lives in this fishbowl and aren't of an age yet to know it isnt' normal. Mady and Cara do know it is not normal and Jon and Kate could care less as long as the $$$$$$ are rolling in.

Kathy said...

Glenda said...
I was just watching the 'Say yes to the dress' marathon on TLC. They showed a commercial for the Monday episode where they tell the kids they are moving. Kate says 'We're moving!' The little ones scream "YEAH!' and either Cara or Mady is sitting next to John and her face is like 'You're kidding me right?' She just looked so sad. I can already hear Kate on the first episode of their new house 'We really like this house it's bigger than the last one. But we are already outgrowing it' She says that everytime they move. I just feel sorry for the twins having to leave their friends at school.
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The twins attend(ed) a country day school. From Wernersville, it is 36 miles (one way) to the school. They must be in a new school because I cannot imagine Jon making that round trip everyday and also, that kind of long commute would be horrible for the twins. If the twins had bonded with some of their teachers and classmates at the country day school, that's over now as you can bet Kate will not allow them to continue any relationships. She doesn't even let kids come over to their house (and she has actually stated this on the show). Mady and Cara will be starting from scratch in the new school and who knows what kind of reception they will get from the other kids given their notoriety now.

marypoppins said...

I hope when the show stops, the parents would have put things in place to help the children and themselves deal with CHANGE

I wonder if either parent will go back to work.

Im sure the show will have to stop when the young kids go to all day school.

SuperMomdel said...

Actually, if the girls are in a private school, they will probably stay where they are.

GingerRose said...

"Don't Cancel" no, I do not think it would be worse. To cancel the show would force them to slow down and stop dragging the children hither tither and yon. The show and her pseudo-celeb mentality are only fueling her behavior. She and Jon are surrounded by people whose jobs depend on the show, and who are only enabling their behavior.
It's not that most of us just want the show to end, it's that we also wish them well. We hope that Kate can get the help she needs, that Jon will step up and stop allowing Kate to "stample" the kids' feelings, that the children will be able to live quasi-normal and private lives.

Onyx said...

Don't Cancel the Gosselin 8,
I agree with what you said. I think they will be even more miserable when the show ends.

And honestly I think they plan to end it after this season. Once they get into the new house and the tups turn 5 I think they will call it quits before they get canceled.

I really wish the best for them.

Dee said...

The PA Dept. of Children/Families, TLC, ALL the sponsors and J&K should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this crap and I mean CRAP to continue. Where are these kids' aunts and uncles and grandparents and WHY can't they step in somehow?

Addison said...

So, the "Potty Training the Boys" one...most awful episode ever? I didn't mean to watch it, but it was on when I was at the gym the other day. It was just non-stop thirty minutes of boy-bashing (the boys are half-way to college and they still aren't toilet trained!) plus tons and tons of shots of all the kids on the toilet. Yuck. As bad as Cupcakegate and Gumgate are, I'm going to say this was my least favorite episode by far.

ContactingtheSponsors said...

MsPeabody said...
ContactingtheSponsors said...
I just received an email from Gap


I didn't post the response but just had to say, I have received the same mass produced responses from these people too, as I'm sure many have. Truly frustrating for sure, but I continue to write anyway.

1/02/2009 5:25 AM

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Thank you MsPeabody for informing me that you've also received a mass-generated type email from the sponsors. It makes me feel somewhat satifisfed that we *are* reaching the sponsors.

I'm just wondering, was it really true that the last airing of Juicy Juice got blurred out? Or was that another juice brand?

Thanks

Get a clue said...

They're maybe 10 miles farther from the school the twins have been attending since the move, but the school has bus service to the area of the new house also.

ContactingtheSponsors said...

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Harriet said...

While I've never seen anything of the emtanner overly cutesy stuff that I'd want to buy, that piece of a nasty snarky response would definitely run me off.

cheryl said...

Thank you for the free discussion.
Let's keep it.
Who is tmtanner???
This is a reality show - reality is
nothings lasts forever, the g's can no doubt live royalty from the interest of their millions.
The only thing consistent in this world is change!!!

ContactingtheSponsors said...

cheryl said...
Thank you for the free discussion.
Let's keep it.
Who is tmtanner???

1/02/2009 11:22 AM

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EM Tanner is the business whose plates and Tshirts are advertised on the G show. You know, those large plates they use that have the kids' names on them? I tried to contact her for making the G kids into walking billboards. The kid don't even know they're working in advertisement! Sad.

goawayJandK said...

While an admirable trait- if a person thinks their values ought not only to run their lives, but everyone else's lives- this can cause a breech in integrity of those values.

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I cannot believe this was the response to your concerns. VERY RUDE , UNPROFESSIONAL and not very customer service oriented.

Do you mind me asking when you received this response?

Arieslikekate said...

You mean to tell me this show is about the kids?

You're kidding me, right?

I thought it was about Kate and her needs and wishes!

Beverly said...

Caught this off msnbc.com this afternoon:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28469753/

Preemies at risk for mental disorders as teens

Study: Chance of developing anxiety, depression up to 68 percent higher

NEW YORK - Results of a Swedish population-wide study hint that children born prematurely have some risk of developing anxiety, depression or other psychiatric disorders in adolescence and young adulthood.

Children born preterm should therefore be watched more closely for these disorders, the investigators suggest.

Among 545,628 Swedish residents born in the 1970s and followed up until 23 to 29 years of age, Dr. Karolina Lindstrom from Sachs Children's Hospital, Stockholm, and colleagues observed a stepwise increase in psychiatric hospital admissions with an increasing degree of preterm birth.

A normal pregnancy lasts 40 weeks. Lindstrom's team found that 3.5 percent of subjects born moderately preterm at 29 to 32 weeks of pregnancy and 5.2 percent born very preterm at 24 to 28 weeks of pregnancy had been hospitalized because of a psychiatric disorder.

They report their finding in the January 2009 issue of Pediatrics.

Compared with those born at 40 weeks, the risk for psychiatric disorders was 68 percent higher in the very preterm group (birth at 24 to 32 weeks), 21 percent higher in the moderately preterm group

Alcohol- and drug-related hospital admissions were not more common in adolescent and young adult ex-preterm infants. "These results," Lindstrom and colleagues note, "are in line with previous studies reporting that addictive behavior is not an important problem in this group."

The investigators conclude, based on their findings, that adolescent and young adults who were born prematurely are a group "in need of more attention in research and secondary prevention" of psychiatric morbidity.

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Of course all I can think is - great!!! Poor babes have been videotaped their entire lives AND now may have a predeposition for mental illness. So not a healthy situation for any of the eight children.

ContactingtheSponsors said...

goawayJandK said...
While an admirable trait- if a person thinks their values ought not only to run their lives, but everyone else's lives- this can cause a breech in integrity of those values.

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I cannot believe this was the response to your concerns. VERY RUDE , UNPROFESSIONAL and not very customer service oriented.

Do you mind me asking when you received this response?

1/02/2009 11:48 AM

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I received that reply at 9:37am today (Jan. 2) in my email inbox.

cheryl said...

emtannerplates @ $24 each??????
Yegads!!
Perhaps Kate was a premie??
maybe that'll answer some things.
The kids all need the socialization
that their school's can bring.
Taking a lunch also confines them -
the g's probably don't remember their school years.

Aretheyjobless? said...

Many of you keep saying that Jon and Kate have no jobs. Don't you realize that they are working for TLC? That is their jobs. I don't understand why people are thinking they are not working. Their job is just not the normal job. Many people make working on a TV show their jobs. Aside that their children are what got them the show, they are working. Kate also works for Proctor and Gamble, Brown Bag Lunches, K-Mart,and Jon for Microsoft. What is the big deal that they make money off being spokespeople? They don't involve the kids in this work? Explain to me what the big deal with them is about working on the TV show and not a normal job?

wramblinwreck said...

"Wont life be much worse for the children if the show were cancelled? I know that they are being exploited and Kate treats them horribly, but if there was no more show I think Kate may treat them even worse."

I disagree. Most of what we see on the show now is staged activity; ie, all the outings and trips, things that have nothing to do with ordinary life, but what TLC/Figure 8 want to create for entertainment value. Much of the stress the kids experience have to do with the production requirements of the show, the expectations of the producers, and the long hours of filming. The tups have never known anything but being followed around by a film crew their entire lives. The sooner the show ends, the tups can begin to learn what it's like to experience life without cameras, and that can only be a good thing for their long-term well-being.

avasmommy said...

Arethejobless? --

You really think they don't "involve" the kids in this work? Sure, Kate may have become a spokesperson for P&G and K-mart, albeit a shitty one, but the show is the biggest advertisement ever! Each half hour show has multitudes of product placements. The kids are working every time the camera is in their face, which is more often than not. They may have gotten free toys and games out of the "fame", but each time those kids are taped playing with a v-tech toy, they have become a spokesperson for that company. Everywhere they go they are a spokesperson for Gap and Gymboree because all of their FREE clothes come from there. The big deal with them working a tv show and not a "normal job" is that they include the children in it. The children have no choice, no laws protecting them, and absolutely no privacy. There is everything wrong with that. Jon and Kate may be working on the show, but so are the children and that is the real problem. KON are too lazy to get real jobs and support their family so they rely on their children to support them, and it is so blatantly obvious that it has taken a toll on them.

Any more questions or does that answer it for ya? If not, I could go on and I am certain that more than half of the people on this blog are going to tell you the exact same thing.

Travis Noodle said...

Don't cancel the show!
What would happen to this website? I love coming here and reading the posts.

As another poster mentioned, what would happen to the kids?

Kate - would probably get another job on another cable network.

Jon - I'm not sure what he would do.

Don't Cancel the Gosselin 8 said...

Karen said:
Here's something else. What if it's in God's plan to allow the Gosselins to be shown on television like this for a greater good?

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Exactly! Nothing happens unless it is suppose to. So even if J&K went out promoting their family looking for a show they wouldn't have found one unless it was suppose to happen. I do believe that Kate behaves much better in front of the camera, so I hope the show doesn't get cancelled, I hope it ends on Kate's terms because IMHO that would be best for the children.

lisak said...

Carla?emtanner, I wonder if that is the same Carla as in, the only friend Kate has left? Just a thought.

Get a clue said...

First, I do think Kate behaves better in front of the cameras than she does off of them. That's been my biggest reason for not more actively pursuing wanting the show to end. But about that thinking that nothing happens that isn't supposed to, I can't believe that. People do make bad and wrong decisions and there is evil in the world. I happen to think Jon and Kate putting their children on TV falls into the bad/wrong decision category and not that it was "meant to be." That's another line of BS from Kate.

Star said...

Travis Noodle:

Nope I don't think Kate would get a job, first she would spend what ever is left of the kids money, and then force Jon to work.

Jon wouldn't want to get a job because as we have heard him say he has no real ambition. So I guess its good for Kate that he is ball-less and has no brain of his own of else they would wind up poor.

Get a clue said...

lisak said...
Carla?emtanner, I wonder if that is the same Carla as in, the only friend Kate has left? Just a thought.


Emtanner is in Tennessee or somewhere in the south I think. Carla has always been a paid employee. She's been paid to be a babysitter, housekeeper, and now doing yard work and helping with the "yard sale" event. Maybe she's paid to be a friend, too? :)

pinkdiamond611 said...

Re, the commercial where Mady does not look happy. When was the last time anyone saw Mady or Cara look happy? They couldn't even pretend to be happy during the wedding.

fxfanatic said...

They don't involve the kids in this work? Explain to me what the big deal with them is about working on the TV show and not a normal job?

They drag the kids with them and when they don't, the kids do not have both parents at home, which is why they said they quit their jobs.
There is nothing wrong with working on TV or being a spokeswoman for products. There is something wrong with outright LYING to promote products or a different image from the one we see on TV.
Having the kids' childhoods played out for the world to see is NOT having the kids best interest in mind. Their only interest is more money, more money, more money. They don't care how it effects the kids because "who are they to say no?"

Parents say "no" when things are not in the best interest of their kids. Kate never says no.

FXfanatic said...

Exactly! Nothing happens unless it is suppose to. So even if J&K went out promoting their family looking for a show they wouldn't have found one unless it was suppose to happen.

You have got to be kidding me??
So, Paris Hilton's "My new BFF" is "meant to happen"?
Rock of Love? Millionaire Matchmaker.

Please, TV is not controlled by GOD anymore than Kate's greed is controlled at all!

Lady Lou said...

Honestly, if and when TLC does dump them it would be interesting to see the two of them actually have to find a job. If Kate expects to live to the standard she's become accustomed to it's back to nursing for her.

formerfan said...

I couldn't comment on one of the older posts, so decided to add my post here. I received the 'Multiple Blessings' book for Christmas and read through it, and felt troubled by the fact that the book seemed to defend a lot of the Gosselin's decisions...it made me research further. I was particularly troubled by the fact that Kate wasn't happy with the home makeover she received--she seemed to be ungrateful. I managed to find a link that showed some pictures of the makeover they received, people can judge for themselves if they too would be disturbed by receiving a makeover that looked like this: http://www.interiorimagesofpa.com/nbc.php

Dunwoody Mom said...

Kate and Jon will burn through that money they made from the show faster than you can say "Helooooooooooooooooooooo".

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

Dunwoody Mom,

I agree with you. The money will go fast. It will be "spent," just like Jon and Kate.

Good-byyyyyeeeeeeeee Jon and Kate Plus 8. :)

FXfanatic said...

I think it was a TERRIBLE remodel but, if I was her, I would have shown a bit more gratitude and kept my opinions to myself. It could've been fixed later and she didn't need to be so rude to people who were just trying to help them.

RuthinVA said...

Since this fiasco started Kate does less and less. It is so obvious to me Kate now think she is above doing general tasks. I am sure she has the help to now actually sit back and do nothing. She also has the help to go all over the country for "religious reasons" and product endorsement. I beleive Kate actually thinks she is a wonderful and truthful spokesperson for all of the companies. She thinks she is worthy of the hoopla. She has gone from baby begger to social services begger to job begger for her husband to documentary begger for her family. She literaly has no scruples. She has begged her way through house after house. She has begged her way through trip after trip. While doing this she has sacrficed the well being of her children. She does not care for anyone's opinion but her own. Look at the people she has thrown away along the way. Having one child in a TV reality show like this gambles with danger. But to have 8 is just not good odds, that to me is the most rediculous thing, to think 8 children will come out of this unscathed is just plain stupid. My god, look at history and talk to mathematician. For a mother to not care that Mady is seen by her peers acting like she does is unbelievable. For laziness and money to be so much more important is unbeleivable. To those of you that actually think this is going to have no effect on these children is unbelievable. To those that think God has a hand in Kate's decisions, maybe that is why he decided she shouldn't have children in the first place. It is just as logical!

SaveTheTwins said...

My parents cut my mom's family out of our lives when I was about the twins' age, but we still all lived in the same small city. I didn't understand why I couldn't talk to them, but I always hoped I could some day. I remember looking for my grandparents at the grocery store, hoping that they would visit our church, wondering if they would surprise me at a PTA program...

When I saw Mady's sad face in the We're Moving! promo this afternoon, it took me back to that time. They still live very near Kevin & Jodi & Kate's parents, and the twins are certainly old enough to miss them. When they are in the same neighborhood, at least the kids could hope to happen upon their family. There is real comfort in knowing Kevin & Jodi & the grandparents are nearby - and you can bet the twins understood INSTANTLY that is about to change. Even if you believe J&K have completely legitimate reasons for excluding their family from their children's lives, you cannot deny the impact of that separation on the kids. The move will bring a lot of those feelings back, especially for Cara & Mady.

Harriet said...

I don't think God decided Kate should put her family on TV. I think that is Kate's delusional self-justification at work.

FXfanatic said...

To those that think God has a hand in Kate's decisions, maybe that is why he decided she shouldn't have children in the first place. It is just as logical!

She only listens to God when he says what she wants to hear!!!

AtoB said...

marypoppins said...Im sure the show will have to stop when the young kids go to all day school.

One would certainly think so! Does anyone else have the sneaking suspicion that Kate would consider homeschooling? The thought haunts me, but seems plausible. As a teacher, I see that school can be a safe haven for kids who don't feel comfortable or secure at home. I'm sure school has become a safe haven for Mady and Cara. I would not put it past Kate to homeschool the kids.

Harriet said...

For the kids' sake I'm thankful that I believe that homeschooling would be both too much work and too much time spent with the children. Kate appears to live for the time when they are away from her either with someone outside the house, napping, or with Jon.

RuthinVA said...

UM...Sorry i did not proofread that last post! Guess you got the general idea..........I was a little hot under the collar when I was told it was all God's doing!!??
I can see Kate saying that but others saying it just makes me wonder and shake my head in disbelief.

JackfromNY said...

I don't see why the show would have to stop when the kids go to school. They only tape the show a couple times a week anyway. So they can just tape on weekends or in the afternoons/evenings during school days.

shawna said...

You all know that if the kids are homeschooled Kate will not be the one teaching them. They will have a private teacher come to their home because "driving 40 some odd miles just didn't make sense to us". So and so "offered" to teach the kids at home, blah, blah, blah.

Kerry said...

Onyx said...
Don't Cancel the Gosselin 8,
I agree with what you said. I think they will be even more miserable when the show ends.

And honestly I think they plan to end it after this season. Once they get into the new house and the tups turn 5 I think they will call it quits before they get canceled.

I really wish the best for them.
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Im betting this will be their last season too. Theres really nothing left to show. I give it to summer MAYBE and they will have a farewell episode.

Irish-Gal said...

The twins' lives have already been pretty f-ed up, they will never be able to return to normalcy. There's still a chance that the tups may be able to live a somewhat normal life, but even that is doubtful, unfortunately. Regardless of when this show goes off the air, these poor kids will never get their life back.

Get a clue said...

Kate and Jon themselves have said the cameras are there three to four days each week. It takes on average four days of filming to get 30 minutes of TV. That's four FULL days of filming (up to 16 hours each day). School is definitely going to cut into that in a major way.

Betty Lou said...

It occurs to me that the people who try to justify the filming the most are probably people who have never been near a film or TV set. They have no idea how frustrating and time extensive it can be or how tough it is working under studio lighting and waiting while the lights and set up are done and having to redo things five, six, or more times to get a take.

I bet they think the kids just walk around doing what they would do any way and the crew is benignly out of the way filming like Uncle Robert in the corner getting a video of Christmas! Not the way it works at all unless it's like the Duggars or the Roloffs where sometimes it shows Duggar cam or twin cam on the screen and the picture quality has taken a nosedive.

ThreeFarmers said...

I was always under the belief that God's greatest gift to use was free will. We are given many choices in life and our path is the product of our decisions. It's handy to blame a bunch of poor decision making on God, ridiculous, but handy.

I'm stunned by those of you who think that the children would be worse off if the show ended. A theory that somehow makes the exploitation and loss of privacy acceptable. It isn't acceptable.

There are over 400 registered sex offenders living in Lancaster County, PA. There are over 300 who live in Berks County.

How is ending the near constant stream of images of these children flowing from the television and internet bad for them?

This isn't about Kate's wacky temper. It isn't about money. It is about common sense safety!

Those of you who think the show should continue need to tell us how much money would it take for you to make public images of your children in their underwear, bathing, or going to the potty?

Irish-Gal said...

Kate and Jon themselves have said the cameras are there three to four days each week. It takes on average four days of filming to get 30 minutes of TV. That's four FULL days of filming (up to 16 hours each day). School is definitely going to cut into that in a major way.

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They can just start coming SEVEN days a week (for a few hours) then!

No matter how you look at it, there's really no escape.

Betty Lou said...

They can just start coming SEVEN days a week (for a few hours) then!

You forget the production crew (or most of them) don't live in PA. They have to fly in from North Carolina and be put in hotels or motels. Your schedule would put them on part-time work and probably would not be cost effective for TLC.

RuthinVA said...

Three farmers said: Those of you who think the show should continue need to tell us how much money would it take for you to make public images of your children in their underwear, bathing, or going to the potty?

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Or those of you that think the show should continue actually take a look at history, see the mental damage done to child stars, put a price on your child's mental health and figure out the monetary gain that would be worth the sacrifice.

Don't Cancel the Gosselin 8 said...

RuthinVA:

If having pictures of them in bathing suits, underwear or going potty meant the difference between living on the streets and begging for food I would do it. Without the show J&K would not be able to financially make it. The economy is failing and nurses do not make enough money to support a 10 person family.

And actually thats beside the point because the reason I want the show to continue is: Kate is MUCH nicer on camera than off. Its in the childrens best intrust for the show to continue. Or at least end on Kate's terms.

cheryl said...

If the crew was gone, believe we would see real colors - a different show entirely from hidden cameras where
someone would p u the film weekly to review and edit.

RuthinVA said...

Don't Cancel the Gosselin 8 said...
RuthinVA:

If having pictures of them in bathing suits, underwear or going potty meant the difference between living on the streets and begging for food I would do it. Without the show J&K would not be able to financially make it. The economy is failing and nurses do not make enough money to support a 10 person family.

And actually thats beside the point because the reason I want the show to continue is: Kate is MUCH nicer on camera than off. Its in the childrens best intrust for the show to continue. Or at least end on Kate's terms.

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They should have enough money saved to make it through the rough economy! I don't know if Kate is nicer when being filmed. I think the stress of filming brings out the worst in Kate.

amalficoast1 said...

I feel this show has gone on a few too many years as it is. The show exists to exploit the sextuplets as if they were animals in a zoo. Jon and Kate do not have jobs, they live off the public's interest in their children. The kids are the ones who have jobs at the expense of a normal childhood.

I doubt KON will cancel the show anytime but hopefully TLC will pull the plug someday.

I noticed the blog is almost at 2 million hits, congratulations to the owner and moderators and thanks for this site.

Sharla said...

Thanks for the good thoughts.

goawayJandK said...

contactingthesponsors:

re emtanner, thanks. i was just curious - i think i may need to send her an email about her unbelievable response to you.

also, get used to the generic, mass produced response letters from the big sponsors. i have received them as well.

the lack of integrity by these companies is just baffling.

Tigerfan said...

"If having pictures of them in bathing suits, underwear or going potty meant the difference between living on the streets and begging for food I would do it. Without the show J&K would not be able to financially make it. The economy is failing and nurses do not make enough money to support a 10 person family."

There are many families of 10+ that exist in our society and manage to 'financially make it' without a reality tv show or exploiting their children. Even in this failing economy! These families may not be living in a million dollar home, take numerous resort vacations, wear brand name clothing, spending their days at amusement parks, or every toy available on the market, but I would venture to guess that they can say with pride and dignity that they have not and would not ever stoop to child exploitation as a means to an end! Furthermore, IMO It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that exploiting one's own child(ren) is an acceptable alternative to making ends meet than that of an HONEST day's hard work.

Exhausted said...

Some food for thought: People keep pointing to the show as a source of income and a reason for them to continue doing it. They will still continue to do it to keep themselves right in people's faces (and because their children's individual liberties mean nothing to them), but this money is small potatoes. J&K will probably make a hefty sum off of this book just from the royalties alone (even with a percentage going to Beth). If a book is on the bestseller list for 9-10 weeks straight, it is selling millions of copies, and they are getting royalites already exceeding whatever advance they originally got. So we are talking lots of money here. Then, this book will go to auction for paperback rights, and it would not surprise me if they got a couple million just for that. (By the way, I'm guessing if a mainstream publisher like Random House outbid a Christian publisher for the paperback rights, Kate would leave her "Christianity" on the doorstep because God would no doubt want that bigger publisher to carry out her mission.

Then we have her other book already in the queue for all the sheeple to buy in spring, so that should put another chunk of money in her nouveau riche wallet. It is nauseating to see how much these hacks will make from just these books. So, will they still do the show? Absolutely. But will it be for the money? I think they'll already be set. And seeing how they spend none of their own money at the moment (do they pay for ANYTHING? Electricity, clothing, psychiatrists?), they may very well be set for life.

All on the backs of their blessings.

yeaisaidthat said...

"And actually thats beside the point because the reason I want the show to continue is: Kate is MUCH nicer on camera than off. Its in the childrens best intrust for the show to continue. Or at least end on Kate's terms."


1/02/2009 5:27 PM

Are you kidding? It is not the responsiblity of a reality tv show to promise a child or children parental competance. If you seriously believe that the Gosselin children are better off being exploited because their mother is on her 'best' parental behavior while in front of the camera, all the more reason why this reality show should and must end and an IMMEDIATE intervention take place protecting the best interests of the children.

Exhausted said...

Something else I found distressing while reading this horrible book I didn't pay for (forgive me, I can't put it down--I guess I just love to irk myself because this woman can certainly irk the best of us): The book talks about the two night nurses J+K had in the beginning when they were at the condo. The first two nurses, apparently, were horrible, so they got two new ones. Kate then said that Jon still felt the need to sleep with one eye open and what a good Daddy he was for that. So, I took this to mean that she was not up at all with these new babies overnight.

Now why do the rest of us who have even one child have to be up with a newborn night after night, but this woman chooses to have six, and she doesn't have to get up at all? Somehow I just don't get where this exhaustion she complains of comes from. She's exhausted when she's getting a full night's rest that no new parent gets, and she's exhausted when Jodi has the kids all morning and sends them home in time for their naps.

There's just something wrong with this picture when this couple gets more sleep, has more free time, and gets more rewards than a person who doesn't have twins and sextuplets. I'm surprised Mady and Cara even knew who she was when she finally brought them home after they were with Kate's parents and then with Jon's mother. To quote Rhett Butler, "A cat's a better mother than you."

wramblinwreck said...

"Explain to me what the big deal with them is about working on the TV show and not a normal job?"

You answered your question when you said: "Aside that their children are what got them the show... The reason Kon is working on the TV show is not because they were hired for their own talent or abilities. It's because of the kids. Period. If it weren't for the kids, and the tups in particular, they'd still be employed in the jobs they had when they were just plain folks.

"Nothing happens unless it is suppose to. So even if J&K went out promoting their family looking for a show they wouldn't have found one unless it was suppose to happen."

Nothing happens unless it's supposed to is another way of saying it's destiny, or fate. IOW a predetermined future. I have a hard time with that concept, but rather than getting into a philosophical discussion I'll just say two words: free will.

"If having pictures of them in bathing suits, underwear or going potty meant the difference between living on the streets and begging for food I would do it. Without the show J&K would not be able to financially make it."

But the Gosselins were never in such dire circumstances that their choice was live on the streets or sell out your kids. They lived in a nice house, they had jobs, and were supporting their family.

"Kate is MUCH nicer on camera than off. Its in the childrens best intrust for the show to continue. Or at least end on Kate's terms."

The children's best interests are to restore their right to privacy, their right to grow up without cameras peering into their bathroom and bedroom, and without their childhood being shown in constant reruns on a channel that specializes in freak shows.

Are You Kidding ME??? said...

"If having pictures of them in bathing suits, underwear or going potty meant the difference between living on the streets and begging for food I would do it. Without the show J&K would not be able to financially make it. The economy is failing and nurses do not make enough money to support a 10 person family."


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I live in Berks County, PA. The cost of living here as compared to many other areas of the country is relatively low. You can rent an apartment here for $350.00 a month, and a 1200 Sq. Ft House (3 beds, 2 baths, with a yard, in a decent neighborhood) for $450.00.
RN's, without an Associates of Bachelors degree, have an average starting pay rate of $26.00 an hour, and that is direct from school. Depending on what hospital Kate worked at she could easily make $34.00+ hourly in maternity.

As for Jon, depending on what area of IT he worked in and how much educational experience he has under his belt, his salary can range anywhere from $15.00 an hour (customer service call centers) to $40.00 an hour (private firms).

Many people who live here do raise large families on just one income, avergaing $20.00 an hour pay rate. And they live pretty well too. Maybe not Disney twice a year or 5 days in California as a pre-vacation to the Hawaii vacation they are going on, but we live well just the same. Many of us can afford to clothe our kids in Gap and Gymboree, on one income. In fact, this area, Berks County and surrounding, is one of the least hardest hit ecomnically in the country when in comes to recessions. Nothing is recession proof, but we are insulated.

So to sit there and say they can't make it without the show is a farce if not an all out defensive lie. And frankly, you going as far as to say there's nothing wrong with parading you naked preschoolers around on television as long as it pays the grocery bill is disturbing and disgusting.

Yes, parents will do anything to make sure their children are provided for. But personally, I draw the line at vouyeristic pedophilia.

AUNTYKK said...

Say, did any of you see the 'upcoming episode, on Jan.19, says, "all you ever wanted to know"!

This should be very interesting!

BUT, I think this will be where people wrote in, and asked questions, and had to sign that HORRENDOUS, long, legal clause, to ask the question...and in that 'clause' the PR people could alter/change/switch/use anywhere & anyway, etc....and you don't get paid if your question is used.

So, I think that even though it states, "all you ever wanted to know", it's also very SElective as to what K/J will answer with their PR, or they may just state, "next question"!

What do you think?

Get a clue said...

If a book is on the bestseller list for 9-10 weeks straight, it is selling millions of copies, and they are getting royalites already exceeding whatever advance they originally got.
I fear that vastly overstates what they're making from the book. They haven't printed a million copies yet, have they? It was less than 500,000 last I saw. The royalties are tiny per book over the advance especially on a first book. They'll make some money but no where near enough to be set for life.

AUNTYK.K. said...

I have 2 comments right now.

1. I cannot believe how many people think that if Kate went back to work , as an RN, she wouldn't make enough money...ARe you kidding me? RN's, make excellent money, and given that the children are in school now, (3-5 days for the younger, till next year), Jon could go back at least PT...as long as they lived like the "average family" ,(sorry, couldn't resist that), they could live well...but if they expect to live like they do now...well, of course, they couldn't survive!

2....I've been thinking about all the trips and 'resorts/exhibits/parks' the "8" have gone to with their parents...you know...they've NEVER got to REALLY enjoy the parks...many times they've appeared to be 'rushed' through, to get the filming, and only spend a few hours at these places.
I don't know about all of you, but when we've saved, (for weeks/months), to go to these parks, resorts, we spend the whole day! We take our drinks/snacks/lunches/etc. and go from morning to night.
THe last few places the 'gosselin' children have been taken to, have been open "off hours" and a guide has taken them for a limited time...rushed through?
So, MAYBE , by stopping the filming, the children will be ALLOWED to ENJOY these 'days out' without rushing through, and worring about being 'tapped'...They can be 'average' children having fun with family...I say that hesitatly, as family is usually extended.

The greatest gift from GOD, for this family, could be that K/J realize the 'wrong' that's occurred within the family, prayed for forgiveness, and family healing occurs, and the FAMILY gets together for 'events'. with much laughter and joy! That would be a GOD moment!

Harriet said...

AuntieKK I think it shows just how boring the Gosselins are on their own that they have to keep coming up with these repetitive question episodes to cover the fact that they just aren't interesting on their own unless production makes something up. Now it shows even production is scraping the bottom of the idea barrel two or three times over.

Matt Roloff is probably production's dream guy. He may drive his family crazy, but he has more ideas in five minutes than the Gosselins themselves have had in three years.

Me said...

RuthinVA:

If having pictures of them in bathing suits, underwear or going potty meant the difference between living on the streets and begging for food I would do it. Without the show J&K would not be able to financially make it. The economy is failing and nurses do not make enough money to support a 10 person family.

I respectfully disagree with this and sincerely hope you are kidding when you say you would do this too.

My daughter is in school to become an RN. When she gets out and starts working she will make over $60,000 a year as a brand new floor nurse. Once she gets her BA that will go up and if she gets her masters, she can earn well into the 6 figure range. Nurses most certainly do make enough to support a family of 10.

Also consider the fact that when J&K first had these kids they had a substantial amount of money in the bank but Kate didn't think they should have to spend their money to raise the kids. If what I have read is correct, they also got a hefty 6 figure inheritance when Jon's dad passed away in 05. The babies were only 8 months old when he died. So the Gosselins were never really destitute and in my opinion, have been taking donations under false pretenses ever since they had these kids. Jon just quit going to his job because Kate wanted him at the hospital. He wasn't fired because he applied for health benefits.

J&K could most certainly support their family if she worked as a nurse and he worked in IT full time. My mother in law is the oldest of 9 kids and her dad worked in the steel mill all his life. They managed and so would J&K.

Kon is Wrong said...

My bet is that without the show Kon would further pursue the Mady and Cara going into acting angle. Remember when they took them to the agent because Kate thought that it would "make them feel special"? My ass that that was the true reason.

AUNTYK.K. said...

Harriet,

I have to agree with Matt Roloff!
He does drive his family 'crazy' at times, esp. Amy, but he does have enough ideas in about 5 minutes, to last a lifetime!

Even before their show began, they had the farm, he'd made all the 'pirate forts', was into peach farming, (prior to the pumpkins'), and much, much, much, more!
Then he had his business, and Amy worked as a pre-school teacher.

I didn't like how 'messy' they allowed their children to be, and that they lived in a 'pig-sty' area for so long, and allow the boys esp. to talk back,...but, given the majority of families on TLC, I think I like this one the best...the most 'real'...
AND, you can see the family/friends that they have, and their religion, they just don't speak their faith, but you can see how it is REAL!
ALso, How they're constantly giving back, and have shown a few HUGE parties, to staff and friends, over the years, to say thankyou!
Something we'd never see K/J do, or say to family/friends, with such MEANING!

ThreeFarmers said...

Regarding Mady and Cara modeling, Kate flat out said during the episode where they took the twins to have some portraits taken (the one where Leah pooped and Alexis was left home with the boys) that if she wasn't so far from NYC, she would have the twins involved in modeling.

Can you imagine having Kate as a stage mother?

Chrissy said...

Aunty K.K. said:
So, I think that even though it states, "all you ever wanted to know", it's also very SElective as to what K/J will answer with their PR, or they may just state, "next question"!

What do you think?
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I think they should change the title of the episode to "All our PR firm thinks you should ever know".

RuthinVA said...

Jon could go to school during the day while kate works at night. Get a degree and go to work. He could then earn what HE thinks he is worth. There are a lot of things they could both do to support their family but you know what, YOU HAVE TO WANT TO! Since neither have any morals or gumption I guess it is easier to beg and lie to the ones supporting them now.

RuthinVA said...

Can you imagine having Kate as a stage mother?
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Was it Gypsy Rose Lee's mother that stood right off stage yelling sing out, sing out using her hands like a megaphone.....Well we all know Kate has that down pat. She'll just have to change Helllloo to siiiinnng ooout.

ruthy said...

I agree with Exhausted Said..

If you watch the first special Kate leaves the tups in bed until 8:00 AM. What mother could possibly lay in her bed and hear any of her children awake in their crib and not get up and take care of them. Then she states that they nap from 12:30 to 4:00? Hello!!!! A four hour nap? Then they are in bed at 8:00. They still sleep in late, take "naps" and are in bed early. Whew, I am soooo tired! How much time does she actually and has ever spent with those kids!

Karen said...

I remember watching the "Gosselin play games" episode where the entire family is playing 'duck, duck, goose'. At one point, Kate is tickling Collin when he runs into her.. and her tickling seems SO faked. Then, after her proof-to-the-world-that-she-does-indeed-"love"-the-boys-is-done, she PUSHES her son away with so much force that I remember cringing and thinking, omg, snuggling your son for more than one second won't kill you! Okay, tell me if you all all this or it was just my imagination.

MayDay said...

I totally agree with what Kon said.....
Kate took those girls to the modeling agency to try and get them jobs. When the lady at the agency was not totally overjoyed with the twins and did not offer them a job right away, Kate changed her mind about continuing. It is so obvious in the show that airs the visit to the agency. During the interview time Kate was stumbling over her words to reason out why she took them there and why they are not modeling. If I remember correctly she said she just did it for fun and they would not have time for the girls to pursue a career because J+K are so busy. Why would you put your daughters through that for fun? She did not get the reaction about girls that she wanted and she made excuses why they were not going to follow through. It was plain and simple...the girls are cute but they were not cute or trained enough for acting. Since the immediate gratification did not come for Kate, then it was done and over with.

BostonBean said...

That is perverse thinking. Not wanting the show to end; because the parents will act worse if we're not watching their moves....is akin to supplying drug addicts on the street with "clean" needles, so they won't be so apt to spread disease.
Neither of those ideas is a solution to the underlying problems.

beachluvin said...

Don't Cancel the Gosselin 8 said...
I have a question, well perhaps it is more of a comment.....

Wont life be much worse for the children if the show were cancelled? I know that they are being exploited and Kate treats them horribly, but if there was no more show I think Kate may treat them even worse. I say this because Kate is VERY attached to the money and all the things that go with. I could honestly see her resenting the children if the show was lost. We all know that in Kates mind nothing is her fault so IMO she would blame the children, especially Mady and Cara.

I don't think canceling the show is going to magically fix the Gosselin household. Canceling the show is not going to bring the family that Kate isolated back, its not going to make Kate any nicer, and its not going to make Jon any less lazy. And if by some chance Kate did go crawling back to family and friends I would be hard pressed to let her back in because really how long will she stick around? Until I don't know how to help her anymore.

So basically I hope the show isn't cancelled because although I know life is horrible right now I think it could get a whole lot worse. Kate is not the same women she was and neither is Jon. Life would not go back to how it was before the show.

1/02/2009 6:34 AM
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What kind of world do we live in when we are wishing that children being exploited on television is the lesser of two evils?
When are these people going to open their eyes?

Jodie said...

I finally caught the "We're moving!" commercial and let me just say this - GAG ME!!!! Kate has to make everything about her and be the center of attention all the time. I think she wishes she had a stage mother and now she's trying to live in her kids' spotlight, while pushing them out of it at the same time.

2exhausted2name said...

Three Farmers said...
There are over 400 registered sex offenders living in Lancaster County, PA. There are over 300 who live in Berks County.

Sex offender does NOT equal pedophile or predator. It's just as easily daddy getting ticked at his 17yr old daughter having an 18yr old boyfriend and using the law to separate them (there are documented cases of this). Or a million other sex offenses that have nothing to do with an adult lusting after a child. This is why I hate the sex offender registries, they don't separate the one-timers from the dangerous but lump them all into one scary bundle. It's like having an alarm go off every five minutes, eventually you tune it out and end up in trouble when there's a real problem.

But to get back to Jon & Kate - my biggest problem with them is not the tv show or how they treat each other or those around them. It's their lies, half-truths and inconsistencies. The thing that first drew me to the show, way way back when the 2nd special aired, was Kate's "refreshing honesty". She presented herself as someone who said it like it was. Leah poops everywhere - Kate's reaction was uncensored. Six babies can ruin a belly - Kate'll show ya.

Even season 1 was entertaining because it gave a true insight into what it must be like to make it from breakfast to bedtime without running from the house screaming. Then it changed. And the questions started and so did their "explanations". Jon "quit" to work for Bob, then nothing was said for months about why he never had to leave for work and now it's "our show is our life".

If only they'd go back to their beginnings and lay it all out as it truly is I'm sure many of us who've come to look upon them like we would dog-doo on shoe would, at the very least, admire their ability to live up to the reality part of reality tv.

I don't care that the show is their life - JUST ADMIT IT openly & honestly on TV. I don't care that Kate spends more time on the road promoting various things instead of being the SAHM she claims - JUST ADMIT IT. I don't care if they have a Nanny to help out, or that they moved to a $1.3 million mansion, or that they have a hefty bank account. I just want them to be honest about it and stop spinning their stories.

But if that doesn't happen perhaps they should take a leaf from Matt Roloff's book. He brings in extra earnings by being a co-producer of LPBW. The Gosselins could cut back on the number of episodes if they followed suit - they'd make more as producers than as stars. Then perhaps the 8 real stars of the show could truly benefit from their new higher station in life (like getting those stay at home parents to actually stay home).

Melissa said...

beachluvin-that's right they are different people. It happens to people who are smart enough to grow.

janina73 said...

Kon is Wrong said...


My bet is that without the show Kon would further pursue the Mady and Cara going into acting angle. Remember when they took them to the agent because Kate thought that it would "make them feel special"? My ass that that was the true reason.



Good point. Mady has said she wants a Disney show on one of the talk shows they were on. I wonder if she was coached to say that.


I love the agent in this! (They show it on the unaired footage episode. They took the girls to the agent after the photo shoot but it wasn't aired on the original episode). The agent was a no-nonsense kind of person and at one stage told Kate/the crew "if we're going to do this, I'll handle it" or words to that effect when Kate was butting in prompting Mady to answer the agent. Check it out on You Tube - she really puts Kate in her place! The agent didn't seem very impressed with the twins. If Kate hadn't left poor Alexis at home, I bet Alexis would have caught the agent's eye. Along with her beauty she has such a lively and captivating personality.


Karen said…


Then, after her proof-to-the-world-that-she-does-indeed-"love"-the-boys-is-done, she PUSHES her son away with so much force that I remember cringing and thinking, omg, snuggling your son for more than one second won't kill you! Okay, tell me if you all all this or it was just my imagination.



I didn't get this vibe at all.

heidiiiii said...

My husband works in our local hospitals NICU. He is not a nurse but is friends with many of them. Kate could make an insane amount of money if she wanted to. Especially if she worked 12 hrs on 12 hrs off shifts. She likes to travel and be away from the kids so much? She could become a traveling nurse and make even more money, especially in the field of maternity or neonatal.
They could make it just fine without the show. They could live with them both working, interest could come in if they invested money well, royalties from the show and books.
They may have to shop more frugally but they would not have to scrimp. Not with her being a nurse and him being in the IT field.
I live in CT and our standards of living are one of the highest. If the nurses we know can make it..vacations, flat screen tvs, etc..then the Gosselins could do it without TLC.

Diane said...

They are not being asked to say a certain line over and over and over again. I think it would drive alot of us to drink if we had to do that when we were kids.

Oh really? So I guess it has been my imagination when on each episode several of the kids look directly at the camera and recite "On this episode of Jon and Kate plus 8".

Sophia said...

In response to Kassie. I don't think it's the type of work that causes so many child stars to have problems as they get older. I think it's more the lifestyle and the recognition at such a young age that causes the problems.

Jodie said...

They are not being asked to say a certain line over and over and over again.

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What about "Coming up next on Jon and Kate Plus 8" or "On this episode of Jon and Kate Plus 8"??? I'm sure there are others that just aren't as obvious.

MsPeabody said...

MayDay said...
I totally agree with what Kon said.....
Kate took those girls to the modeling agency to try and get them jobs. When the lady at the agency was not totally overjoyed with the twins and did not offer them a job right away, Kate changed her mind about continuing. It is so obvious in the show that airs the visit to the agency. During the interview time Kate was stumbling over her words to reason out why she took them there and why they are not modeling. If I remember correctly she said she just did it for fun and they would not have time for the girls to pursue a career because J+K are so busy. Why would you put your daughters through that for fun? She did not get the reaction about girls that she wanted and she made excuses why they were not going to follow through. It was plain and simple...the girls are cute but they were not cute or trained enough for acting. Since the immediate gratification did not come for Kate, then it was done and over with.


I totally agree with you all about the reason Kate took the twins to the modeling agency. I loved when the director of the modeling agency told Kate to be quiet, that she would handle it all. The look on Kate's face, you could tell how po'd she was. I could only imagine the hell Mady and Cara would go through if Kate was their stage mom. They have been through enough!

RuthinVA said...

I don't think any child star's problems are attributed to saying lines over and over again. They attribute it to missing out on a childhood, the way in which they are treated by others especailly their peers and the feeling of worthlessness when they are no longer a child star. Egos are fragile more so a childs.

beachluvin said...

This has never been mentioned as far as I can remember but what made me realize what a "pain" Kate must be to deal with was when Cara was getting her haircut. Cara was in the chair and the stylist had the scissors in her hand, Kate grabbed the woman's hand with the scissors in them and placed her hand where to cut. Most people would use their own hand to point to the desired length on the hair.

RuthinVA said...

I totally agree with you all about the reason Kate took the twins to the modeling agency. I loved when the director of the modeling agency told Kate to be quiet, that she would handle it all. The look on Kate's face, you could tell how po'd she was. I could only imagine the hell Mady and Cara would go through if Kate was their stage mom. They have been through enough!

1/03/2009 6:26 AM

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What is so astounding to me about this segment is when the director says to Kate "if we do this I'll handle it" and the look on Kate's face. It is the same look you see on the bullies face when the one being bullied fights back. That look of shock and dismay.

noteasybeingstupid said...

I absolutely love the scene where the acting coach puts Kate in her place. I'm actually rather surprised it was shown in the episode. Showing Kate as being put in her place. I'm sure that acting coach has plenty of experience with bulldozers like Kate, though.

Morgan said...

Everywhere they go they are a spokesperson for Gap and Gymboree because all of their FREE clothes come from there.
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True, they are spokespeople for Gap and Gymboree, but so is any child who goes out in public wearing a Gap or Gymboree outfit. I'm a spokesperson for my university by wearing one of their sweaters out in public. I'm a spokesperson for Old Navy by wearing their jeans out in public. You're a spokesperson for whatever-brand-you-wear by wearing whatever-brand-you-wear out in public.

And it doesn't stop at clothes. If I use my cell phone while on the bus, I am a spokesperson for Verizon. If I carry my backpack to the gym, I am a spokesperson for L.L. Bean (and a spokesperson for my gym at the same time). If I eat a sandwich on a park bench, I am a spokesperson for Subway. Unless one lives in a pit somewhere, every day they move about in the world and people see them wearing something, using something, or eating something and think, "Hey, that looks good," or "Gee, I wonder where he/she got that." This all happens without one realizing it, which means one's not being inconvenienced or even affected by it any way.

True, the Gosselin kids are more blatant spokespeople than the average joe or jane on the street, but this is all occurring without causing any negative effects to them, as far as I can tell. They are actually being "paid" for being spokespeople because they receive those outfits and toys for free. That's more than can be said of me as an accidental spokesperson of every brand I use, eat, or wear. I had to pay out of my own pocket for that privilege.

formerfan said...

one big question I have....because this is the thing that is REALLY bothering me:
Can anyone confirm that Jon and Kate are still taking up love offerings at churches when they do their speaking engagements?

Also, I agree with the person who posted about getting some help for Mady. It does seem obvious when watching the show that Mady is troubled by all of this, and the way she is portrayed by the show editors is enough to give her issues (I know that they can take little pieces and edit to make things look worse thn they are but still....this is her childhood and she is being portrayed to the public as a little brat and even if she does behave poorly she probably has many many positive qualities that are edited out).

Another question for those in this forum: do you also feel this way about the kids on Little People Big World? Is little Jake being exploited? I don't watch Little People Big world as much, but they don't seem to film the same level of intimate moments (like potty training...of course the kids are older)....

KassaMarie said...

I managed to find a link that showed some pictures of the makeover they received, people can judge for themselves if they too would be disturbed by receiving a makeover that looked like this: http://www.interiorimagesofpa.com/nbc.php
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I thought Kate was a terrible person for criticizing the home makeover she was so generously given, but... I'm sorry, that is "horrendously horrendous". That bathroom... the twin's bedroom looks like something out of a brothel... the nursery is what nightmares are made of.

I still think Kate shouldn't have been so rude about it, but... I'd burn my house down if someone did that to it. I've never seen a home makeover show do such a terrible job on an entire house. Normally you'd see a room or two that maybe wasn't to your liking, but they butchered that place all over.

Harriet said...

What is strange about the decorating after the remodel is that in the book Kate says that they had discussions with the people beforehand so surely they could have mentioned their taste to them then? It was odd that some of the rooms were so exactly opposite of Kate's total non-decorating style. I did like the living room and master bedroom with maybe just one thing or so removed from the living room.

Kate could have been gracious until all the people were gone. They DID go to a lot of trouble for them.

wramblinwreck said...

"I don't care that the show is their life - JUST ADMIT IT openly & honestly on TV. I don't care that Kate spends more time on the road promoting various things instead of being the SAHM she claims - JUST ADMIT IT. I don't care if they have a Nanny to help out, or that they moved to a $1.3 million mansion, or that they have a hefty bank account. I just want them to be honest about it and stop spinning their stories."

The problem is, they can't admit any of those things because they've created a carefully crafted image for themselves: the wholesome, Christian couple struggling against the odds to raise a large family by clipping coupons and packing brown-bag lunches, "just getting by" on their limited means. Admitting to a lifestyle that contradicts this image defeats their game plan to profit from the kids' cuteness as long as they can. In the play/movie "Gypsy," Mama Rose forces the star of their stage show, Dainty June, to perform and dress like a little girl long after she's outgrown the role to keep the show going. If Kon could figure out a way to do the same thing with their kids, they would!

RuthinVA said...

Morgan said...True, the Gosselin kids are more blatant spokespeople than the average joe or jane on the street, but this is all occurring without causing any negative effects to them, as far as I can tell. They are actually being "paid" for being spokespeople because they receive those outfits and toys for free.

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The problem comes from the journey they took to become popular enough for the kids to be profitable spokeschildren for those companies.

Midnight Madness said...

About the twins changing schools...

There is a Reading school bus that delivers the students to and from school. They wouldn't be alone. Several of the students ride the Reading bus. This is because there is no private school in their new area that is comparable to the one that the children are now attending. Their moving would not necessitate a change of school for the children.

Sophia said...

Do Cara and Mady go to their private school for free or on scholarships? I was just wondering if Jon and Kate paid for it. Also, are the public schools not good in their area?

Petunia said...

Don't Cancel the Gosselin 8 said...

RuthinVA:

If having pictures of them in bathing suits, underwear or going potty meant the difference between living on the streets and begging for food I would do it. Without the show J&K would not be able to financially make it. The economy is failing and nurses do not make enough money to support a 10 person family


Give me a break. I have an ASN just like Katie does. I work M-F 8-5 in the outpatient procedures area of my local hospital in the south (non union) and made $68,000 last year. If Katie worked on the floor she'd make even more with the shift and w/e differentials. I give up some money to work M-F but it works for those of us with kids in school.
My husband also has a two year degree and makes about the same as I do working M-F 7-4:30.
So, perhaps Jon might also have to work if Katie wants those kids to wear gymboree crap every damn day and her to tote a $350 purse around but generally we do fine with Walmart for play clothes and Macy's for school/church clothing. We vacation every year to the beach and another to visit family members that live out of state. I don't eat totally organic because a lot of that is fraud when read the facts of what can get labeled organic. I do go to the farmer's market though and try to eat locally grown foods.
Anyways, my point is Katie and Jon-boy could totally live just fine off of their slave wages (remember Jodi watched those children for free so they don't even have the daycare costs that my family has). Stop using the money as an excuse because that is so off base it's pathetic.

ContactingtheSponsors said...

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andrew said...

anyone else notice that in the memorial day picnic episode Hannah or axises push a little girl out of there way when they are leaving the one room. then john and kate did not seem that happy being in church they did sing they did not dance they stood there like deer in headlights

Petunia said...

Sophia said...

Do Cara and Mady go to their private school for free or on scholarships?
Some donor paid their twins tuition that was covered a while back. Not sure if the donor also paid for the tups or who coughs up that money. I'm sure Jon and Kate found some way to insure they aren't footing the bill.

RuthinVA said...

RuthinVA:

If having pictures of them in bathing suits, underwear or going potty meant the difference between living on the streets and begging for food I would do it. Without the show J&K would not be able to financially make it. The economy is failing and nurses do not make enough money to support a 10 person family
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Please don't copy the RuthinVA with that statement. I did not say that and don't want to be attributed to it.

doreen said...

Sophia said...
..... Not sure if the donor also paid for the tups or who coughs up that money. I'm sure Jon and Kate found some way to insure they aren't footing the bill.
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The tuition per month for each tup for the three afternoons per week is $110. So, the G's are paying $660 per month to send all six to pre-school. This seems really cheap - I guess that's because the pre-school is affiliated with the church they go to.

wramblinwreck said...

"You're a spokesperson for whatever-brand-you-wear by wearing whatever-brand-you-wear out in public."

I think technically you're only a spokesperson if you're actually paid to say that you endorse the product. If I'm walking around in public wearing a shirt that says Abercrombie & Fitch, talking on an iPhone, the message is I'm willing to spend a lot of money on stuff and provide free advertising to A&F and Apple. :) I haven't seen any print or TV ads by the Gosselins for their kids' clothing, but I think they receive the clothing because 1) the kids are cute and on TV, and what company doesn't want cute kids on TV wearing their product since 2) it's free advertising.

"True, the Gosselin kids are more blatant spokespeople than the average joe or jane on the street, but this is all occurring without causing any negative effects to them, as far as I can tell."

IMO there is a negative effect on the kids, as we've seen Kate's insistence that the kids can't get dirty, as other kids typically do: no marker stains, no grass stains, or any stains, the now famous "she's ruined!" shriek when one of the tups dribbled some ice cream on her dress at DW. Of course, the insistence on maintaining pristine clothing is to receive top dollar at the consignment shop.

Lale said...

"All You Wanted To Know" will just be more damage control, and not "truths". :/

AllisonSarah said...

Hey guys.

Can someone please send a link or just give some details about the supposed hit-and-run?

Thanks!

Midnight Madness said...

The twins' tuition would total approximately $25,000 per year. I'm not sure who is paying for it, but the last I heard it wasn't the Gosselins. I believe that in order to quality for a scholarship, you have to show financial need.
I'm sure that the public schools in their area are fine. It's just that their current school is rated, academically, among the top in the state. It would not surprise me if the twins would be enrolled at The Hill School in Pottstown (currently $40,000 per boarding student, or $27,000 per day student)when they enter high school. It's about a 40-minute drive from the new home.

Nancy said...

And actually thats beside the point because the reason I want the show to continue is: Kate is MUCH nicer on camera than off. Its in the childrens best intrust for the show to continue. Or at least end on Kate's terms.

If you're going to make a statement like this, you should be able to support it with fact, and let us know who you are and how to get in touch with you.

Irish-Gal said...

My bet is that without the show Kon would further pursue the Mady and Cara going into acting angle.

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Perhaps in a few years from now when they will likely be off the air, but at the moment I think anybody who saw them modeling for Old Navy would immeadiately come to the assumption that it is now a Gosselin endorsed product. Therefore, they might actually loose business from the people who don't want to buy anything that's given to KON for free.

Kate is kind of like a stage mom already, and look at her now! Her on a set, or even at a simple photoshoot, would not be a pretty site. While you need to know to speak in show-business, that goes also for the loudmouths.

Jo said...

Three Farmers--Nana Janet wanted Alexis with her that day.

Irish-Gal said...

The tuition per month for each tup for the three afternoons per week is $110. So, the G's are paying $660 per month to send all six to pre-school. This seems really cheap - I guess that's because the pre-school is affiliated with the church they go to.

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That actually sounds wicked expensive to me, I guess the price has really gone up in ten years. Back in '99 I went to a good preschool three mornings a week and I think tuition was only a grand.

Sophia said...

The tups preschool costs seem pretty reasonable. I've had friends who've paid that for one child per month. That was all day though, M-F.

About Cara and Mady's private school, someone donated their tuition for the whole time they've been there and will be there? It's interesting that their school hasn't ever been shown/advertised on the show. Or maybe it has and I just haven't seen it.

yeaisaidthat said...

I find Kate Gosselin's comment of, 'nothing is staged' to be rather contradictory, considering the fact that many of their 'typical' every day family outings have taken place in businesses that were closed to the general public and or only open to accomodate the Gosselin family during the time in which the episode was being filmed.

Stacy said...

What about "Coming up next on Jon and Kate Plus 8" or "On this episode of Jon and Kate Plus 8"??? I'm sure there are others that just aren't as obvious.

1/03/2009 6:24 AM

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That is the show open. It is not different than any other show open, say for instance, the Brady Bunch square and song, or the image of Rob Petrie a while back tripping over an ottoman on the old Dick Vandyke Show of the 60's.

To make an issue of this is ridiculous.

my9cats said...

andrew said...
anyone else notice that in the memorial day picnic episode Hannah or axises push a little girl out of there way when they are leaving the one room. then john and kate did not seem that happy being in church they did sing they did not dance they stood there like deer in headlights

1/03/2009 9:37 AM


YES! It was either Alexis or Leah. One of them definately pushed the little girl. Poor thing looked totally befuddled like "huh? what did I do". Glad to read I wasn't the only person who picked up on that. These kids need to learn social skills. If they want to beat the crap put of each other in private, so what, but in public they need to learn to keep their hands to themselves.

Helen said...

ContactingtheSponsors said...
EM Tanner is the business whose plates and Tshirts are advertised on the G show. You know, those large plates they use that have the kids' names on them? I tried to contact her for making the G kids into walking billboards. The kid don't even know they're working in advertisement! Sad.
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IMO, emtanner prducts are just tacky crap - perfect for people without class or taste - just like Kate!

Slainte said...

Just curiuos to learn if a new family has moved into the old house. Anyone know?

Lfwh said...

Will the Childrens lives improve when/if the show is cancelled? That seems to be the question of the day.

IMO, to be honest, I'm not sure. Kate will no doubt not be pleased once her notariety and celebrity ebbs and she is able to walk down a street and no one will notice or care. Will she blame the children? Maybe. Maybe she will blame her family and Aunt Jodi for speaking out? All in all, Kate seems like a vindictive person whose sole purpose in life is getting her way for free.

As for Jon, well if push came to shove he probably would grudingly get a job. He'll probably complain and whine but he would probably do it.

As for the McMansion they just moved into, I can see them moving out as soon as the show ends. I don't think they will have enough income to keep up with the upkeep.

One thing is for sure though, they will most likely be all alone when the show is over. No one will be around, like family and former friends because they were expendable when they started their rise to the "top" of fame. But KON never realized and still don't that some things are more important than money, like family.

bradleymom said...

ThreeFarmers said...
I was always under the belief that God's greatest gift to use was free will. We are given many choices in life and our path is the product of our decisions. It's handy to blame a bunch of poor decision making on God, ridiculous, but handy.

I'm stunned by those of you who think that the children would be worse off if the show ended. A theory that somehow makes the exploitation and loss of privacy acceptable. It isn't acceptable.

There are over 400 registered sex offenders living in Lancaster County, PA. There are over 300 who live in Berks County.

How is ending the near constant stream of images of these children flowing from the television and internet bad for them?

This isn't about Kate's wacky temper. It isn't about money. It is about common sense safety!

Those of you who think the show should continue need to tell us how much money would it take for you to make public images of your children in their underwear, bathing, or going to the potty?

I am glad you brought up the sex offender angle. I mentioned it a while ago and it was posted, and then deleted. I know it isn't an easy topic, but not addressing it doesn't make it go away. This show is such fodder for these people.

Also, in another , not quite as scary breech of good decision making, albeit still very wrong, can you imagine what it is like for Mady in school. If one of my kids had a classmate on TV I know I would watch it out of curiousity. What must parents and fellow students be saying about what they view of Mady's behavior. I don't blame her - but I am sure it doesn't help her make friends. She might be vastly different in school but the other students will judge her on how she behaves on TV.

Also, there is no amount of money to make me ever subject my kids to the embarassment and horror of what they show these children doing. I don't know why people need to view things in such a black and white manner, either they continue with the show, or be out on the streets. If things ever got that bad there are resources and state and federal programs to deal with that level of poverty. Althouh, I think a much simpler solution would be to buy, say a $300,000 house (you can get a darn nice house for that) and invest the other million. Good investment counselors may be able to reach returns on investments of around 10%. A $100,000 a year income is nothing to sneeze at. And that doesn't take into consideration all their other income they must have from endorsements and books. We certainly don't need to take the ridiculous leap that cancelling the show would leave them on the streets. Come on now.

cheryl said...

If the show ended today - no doubt they have a good million in savings - at 5% interest - gives one an income of about
$4,000 a month, $40,000 a month if $10 million in savings. Believe we once figured they averaged about $6m per season, two seasons a yr - this is not counting love offerings, special
appearances or product endorsements. They obviously are not hurting. Hear they have two new houses, one in PA and a NC vacation home. Tough.

Denise said...

Lady Lou said...
Honestly, if and when TLC does dump them it would be interesting to see the two of them actually have to find a job. If Kate expects to live to the standard she's become accustomed to it's back to nursing for her.
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IMO, she will never go back to nursing. She was not in it that long when she got pregnant with the twins. She graduated from the Reading Hospital diploma program in 1997, got married in summer 1999and had the twins in 2000. She quit working when she got pregnant with the tups (in fall 2003). She worked in labor and delivery and from what I understand and have read, her co-workers could not wait for her to leave. She must have been the employee from hell. She did work every other Saturday at the dialysis center before the show became a series. Would you want her taking care of you??? I wouldn't. What employer in their right mind would hire her as a nurse after all we've seen? Even if she wanted to, she'd never get a high-paying RN job. Maybe a nursing home would take her part-time nights.

Mechtilde said...

Lfwh said...
Will the Childrens lives improve when/if the show is cancelled? That seems to be the question of the day.
IMO, to be honest, I'm not sure. Kate will no doubt not be pleased once her notariety and celebrity ebbs and she is able to walk down a street and no one will notice or care. Will she blame the children? Maybe. Maybe she will blame her family and Aunt Jodi for speaking out? All in all, Kate seems like a vindictive person whose sole purpose in life is getting her way for free.
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Kate will respond to the show's end in one of two ways. She will either crack up completely (emotionally unstable now and something like the show ending could really push her over the edge). Or, she will take it out on the kids, in what ways I can't say. Quite frankly, I do not even want to imagine that scenario.

Get a clue said...

Cheryl, IMO, your figures are on the high side. They didn't get paid until season 3 and then it was $5K an episode. I've never really believed they received $65K per episode in season 4. No reputable source could confirm that and it appears to be an internet rumor that a lot of people take as truth now.

MaryD said...

I tried to access the Canada Parent website to read the article and was unable to do so. It says it is shut down for maintenance. I have to state my opinion on the comments of others but it seems like Kate is now going through a stage of setting herself up as a martyr. One of the definitions of a martyr is:

"One who makes a great show of suffering in order to arouse sympathy"

I have a feeling as the kids grow they will constantly hear from Kate about all the sacrifices she made for them. She will never let them forget it. She will conveniently forget all the perks that she and Jon received not to mention the fact that they didn't have to have jobs and were free to go on trips etc. I just hope that at some point she will also remember the sacrifices the children made so she could have the good life.

RuthinVA said...

Maryd said...
I have a feeling as the kids grow they will constantly hear from Kate about all the sacrifices she made for them. She will never let them forget it. She will conveniently forget all the perks that she and Jon received not to mention the fact that they didn't have to have jobs and were free to go on trips etc. I just hope that at some point she will also remember the sacrifices the children made so she could have the good life.

1/03/2009 2:45 PM

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You are exactly right! Anyone that fishes and out right begs for complements all the time like Kate does is just that type. Did someone else do wonderful,honey?(and you know I want to say wonderfully, just like she does to Jon all the time)... Just say it, just say it, say I did a good job. I am almost embarrased for her. She is always looking for validation.

Therese said...

JackfromNY said...
I don't see why the show would have to stop when the kids go to school. They only tape the show a couple times a week anyway. So they can just tape on weekends or in the afternoons/evenings during school days.
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Oh, now that's a brilliant plan! Taping on weekends and in the evenings?! When do the kids get do do their homework, have fun, and just BE? So, according to your plan, the kids will be "on" 24/7 seven days a week with working and going to school. This sounds like a child sweat shop situation to me. Will they be allowed to at least sleep for eight hours??

Denise said...

Slainte said...
Just curiuos to learn if a new family has moved into the old house. Anyone know?
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I checked the public records database that I have access to and the Elizabethtown home is still in their name. I also went to Zillow.com and the home is not listed for sale. Don't know what they are planning to do with it.

Poor Mady said...

Did anyone else every also consider that Mady's issues at school are the result of the way she is treated by her family? Kate constantly belittles her and it's all on film, for the masses to view each week.

In our house, my husband and I have one personal rule that we follow no matter what, when it comes to our kids. No matter what they do, even if it's in public, they do not ever get punished or disciplined in front of an audience. Even if it means that company comes to the house and they (the kids) act up, we pull them aside quietly in the moment but deal with the rest later, privately. It's embarrasing and we wouldn't like it done to us.

Can you just imagine being in Mady's shoes for a single day? Imagine your parents shaming you in front of the entire world. I think that's exactly why that child acts the way she does.

C said...

Does Julie still read here? I would be curious to know what she thinks about that person claiming to be Jodi posting that little 'story' about her and Jon and Kate (in the comments section of that Parenting Examiner article.) I hope she responds to let us know if that is indeed Jodi or not.

Momma of 3 said...

I think Kate will homeschool next...but only for the cameras and have a private tutor the rest of the time. It would be a great new idea for her and then maybe she would be the new Mrs. Dugger!!

Jen said...

I have a quick question. When J&K go off the air who will we move on to so this doesnt happen to anyone else. This is a serious question i dont want anyone to think im trying to be funny or anything.

Jen said...

C said...
Does Julie still read here? I would be curious to know what she thinks about that person claiming to be Jodi posting that little 'story' about her and Jon and Kate (in the comments section of that Parenting Examiner article.) I hope she responds to let us know if that is indeed Jodi or not.
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Im sorry but I don't know if I can trust what Julie says anymore. She was wrong about the house in NC that was already purchased. Jodi made her stop talking about this situation on her blog. Even if it is Jodi how do you know she would still say its not. That would make her look bad IMO.

Lala said...

Looks like "the MOVE" is going to be on this mondays episode. I saw a promo today on tlc where the whole family is at the table and Kate says, we're going to move! Then it cuts to , new epsiode on monday at 9.

Denise said...

C said...
Does Julie still read here? I would be curious to know what she thinks about that person claiming to be Jodi posting that little 'story' about her and Jon and Kate (in the comments section of that Parenting Examiner article.) I hope she responds to let us know if that is indeed Jodi or not.
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Julie just posted a comment the other day - I think it was in the free discussion section just prior to this one. Look for "TruthWillSetYouFree" - that's Julie's name.

LisaH said...

You know, I was wondering what everyone's opinion would be on this going to school thing for the Tups. Here is my question. Seeing how they are on TV (i.e. no discipline, screamin, hitting, etc..) how would any of you feel if you found out that the Tups would be in your child's class at school?

The point I'm trying to make is that KON did this to their children. Seems like Kate wanted to be a parent, but not to parent. What have these two dullards taught these children? How to clean is about it.

Don't get me wrong, the TUPs are adorable and do have a sweetness to them, but they also exhibit signs that their parents have not taken the time to teach them anything about behaving. When they get older I suspect that KON won't bother teaching them the important things that parents teach their children that they can look back on when they start having children of their own.

lisa said...

Could somebody please tell me what episode it was when Kate overreacted about Cara's hair? TIA

Cathleen said...

Jen said...
Im sorry but I don't know if I can trust what Julie says anymore. She was wrong about the house in NC that was already purchased. Jodi made her stop talking about this situation on her blog. Even if it is Jodi how do you know she would still say its not. That would make her look bad IMO.
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Jen, as I recall, Julie talked about KON buying the house in NC many months ago (in the summer?) Julie could have been correct at the time based on what she knew. In any case, I have heard that in addtion to the new Mcmansion in Wernersville, KON has built/bought a vacation home in NC. So, I do not think Julie was lying or wrong. I think our raising these questions now about Julie and Jodi as a result of the Examiner post is playing right into the hands of KON's PR people. They read all these blogs and plant info or have info removed. They are not to be trusted. Another point: I am not really sure why Julie removed a lot of her posts from her blog as well as Jodi's own video telling us what Julie was posting was all true. Julie says "Jodi wants to move forward." This seems very vague/ambiguous to me, but then I figure there may be things going on behind the scenes that we do not know about. In any case, nothing about the Jodi/Julie situation changes the fact that the Gosselin kids are being exploited. IMO, we just all need to remain focused on that. Look at the progress we have made up to now.

Harriet said...

In the show Kate and Jon themselves were dropping hints of moving to somewhere warmer. How many of us have talked about moving or buying a house only to have to change our plans when conditions changed? This could easily have happened to the Gosselins with the changing economy. Sponsors drop out all of the time and new ones are sought. So the same thing probably happened to the house.

RuthinVA said...

LisaH said...
You know, I was wondering what everyone's opinion would be on this going to school thing for the Tups. Here is my question. Seeing how they are on TV (i.e. no discipline, screamin, hitting, etc..) how would any of you feel if you found out that the Tups would be in your child's class at school?

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I was in shock when the Sunday school teacher at their church said thay were well behaved. That was on the same episode someone posted earlier about one of the tup girls pushing a child. One of the tups did push a child as they were leaving the room. They hit a lot, I grew up with 2 sisters each a year apart, I don't remember hitting like they do. I don't even remember my mother and father telling us not to hit, we just didn't hit each other. Of course, my mother wasn't slapping my father every chance she got. Maybe that makes a difference, hitting is just acceptable in that household.

Slainte said...

Thanks for the house info Denise!

yeaisaidthat said...

"Its in the childrens best intrust for the show to continue. Or at least end on Kate's terms."

And what will happen if the show DOESNT end on Kate's terms? Is she going to stomp her feet and pout like a spoiled brat in her room until TLC and its producers finally given in to her demands? Get real, LIFE, even reality tv for that matter isnt ALWAYS about what Kate Gosselin wants.

Curtains for KON said...

yeaisaidthat said...
"Its in the childrens best intrust for the show to continue. Or at least end on Kate's terms."

And what will happen if the show DOESNT end on Kate's terms? Is she going to stomp her feet and pout like a spoiled brat in her room until TLC and its producers finally given in to her demands? Get real, LIFE, even reality tv for that matter isnt ALWAYS about what Kate Gosselin wants.

In the larger reality, TLC doesn't really give a damn what Kate Gosselin wants or needs. They do not care about her, her lame-ass business partner, nor her eight kids. They are only interested in giving in to her demands as it makes $$$$$$ for THEM. Oh - Kate wants weekly spa treatments? Fine. Kate wants an organic chef? Great. Kate wants a boob job? No problem. Anything to keep the TLC gravy train going. Once TLC has determined they are done with KON, it's all over. Kate can kick and scream and demand, but it will get her nowhere. When TLC calls it quits, it's curtains for KON.

little boys rule said...

Interesting that if you shuffle the letters around in Kate's name you get "take"...how ironic...Kon and Take Gosselin.

I really used to enjoy this show and look forward to watching it, but now I would not dare to watch. It is just too hard to watch the way that Kate treats those who try to help her. It is also very sad that no extended family members are allowed to have relationships with the kids. Even if Kate and Jon are at odds with (well virtually all of their family/friends) they should put that aside so the kids will know what it is like to have family (other than themselves).

Part of being a responsible parent means putting your children and their needs before you own. That clearly doesn't happen and it is Mady that seems to be getting the brunt end of that the most. That poor girl needs someone to be an advocate for her.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

Jen
Im sorry but I don't know if I can trust what Julie says anymore. She was wrong about the house in NC that was already purchased. Jodi made her stop talking about this situation on her blog. Even if it is Jodi how do you know she would still say its not. That would make her look bad IMO.


Before you try to discredit me, it would be nice if you got your facts straight. I never said a house was purchased. I said "according to Jon", land had been purchased and sponsors had committed to donating for a house. At the time that I posted that, I stated that moving to NC had been discussed about 6 months prior to the filming of the episode about looking for property. So...that was at least a year ago now. Alot can change in that amount of time. Another thing, Jon isn't the most reliable source for the truth, so maybe he was lying.

The reports about vandalism to their van/other house are true, so that may have been the reason for the (quick) move. There are many different scenarios that may have happened.

Jodi did not leave any comments on the parenting article. The "story" is nothing but lies. She did not "make me" do anything in regards to my blog. I stated my reasons for taking the posts down and there's nothing else going on. She just wanted to put it behind her and the timing of it was due to the fact that J&K moved.

The fans and/or PR team are out in full force trying to deflect attention from the real issues. There is no Julie/Jodi situation. So let's stay focused on the real issue and that is giving the children their privacy back.

Missthang said...

Thanks for the link for the House Make Over. WOW... Can u say HOT MESS? It still does not make it right for Kate to be rude, and of course not to her own mother in-law.

How can Jon allow Kate's issues with his mother to continue? How can Kate continue to not allow her children to know their grandparents?

Maybe Kate should put this on one of her index cards, and hang copies all over the house ... "Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you." Or Maybe Jon can wear it on a T-Shirt!

P.S. I still watch the show, my family & I enjoy the kids. :-)

AUNTYKK said...

You know there's a lot of 'rumours' going around about these houses,...the one they just left, the one they're in , and the possibility of one being made.

1. I wonder why the 'old' house isn't sold, or even on the market?

2. I wonder, did they buy land in NC to build their, 'dream' home, as they had stated, "NO HOME MEETS WHAT WE WANT",,back when they were looking at properties while on vacation...

3. Is the home 'right now' just temporary, as they wanted to get out of the 'old neighbourhood', but the NC home wasn't built yet...still increasing their wages, (TV show, merchandise, DVD's, 2 books, and maybe a 3rd, re-run $$, etc),...once they've made 'enough' , (whatever that is), then they'll move again?

I truly believe that "Julie", Aunt Jodi's sister, has some truth to what she stated, but we'll just have to wait to find out....then, IMO, I think a lot of people will bite their tongue, as the 'truth' slowly comes out.

BUT,, if the show is cancelled, i think kate will do anything, and I say, anything, to be in the spotlight, and to get $$$, so she can continue to have HER dreams come true, and continue to increase the 'family' income.

I wonder....

I've also enjoyed these people's posts: "Wait-and-see"...and ..."The-truth-will-set-you-free"...Thankyou!

ThreeFarmers said...

I'm backing Julie on this one. She never said they bought a house, only that someone mentioned that land was being purchased and that some blue prints were being discussed.

nomorekon said...

Please don't copy the RuthinVA with that statement. I did not say that and don't want to be attributed to it.

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RuthinVA, I saw that and almost made the same clarification! I comment enough on this blog to know you would never make such comments.

iknowinva said...

Jen said:
Im sorry but I don't know if I can trust what Julie says anymore. She was wrong about the house in NC that was already purchased. Jodi made her stop talking about this situation on her blog. Even if it is Jodi how do you know she would still say its not. That would make her look bad IMO.

Sorry Jen, I think you've been duped by Kon.

It IS a fact that TLC contacted a
home-improvement company based here in Virginia asking for SUBSTANSTIAL donations, both material and monetary, for a new home for the Gosselins.

It was unclear whether a home was going to be rehabbed or built, but it was clear that the house was in either North Caroline or Southern Virginia. This was not long ago (maybe over the summer?). Unfortunately, as we all know, times are hard and, the company denied the request.

Watch your Pennies said...

In case anyone is interested, the taxes on the Wernersville Konpound are $13,161.45 per year. I just pulled this off the public records database. So, let's think about this, shall we? Let us assume that the 26 acre Konpound (all $1.3million of it )is paid for in full. In addition to the taxes, we have the utility bills (electricity, gas, water); pool maintenance and upkeep; yard work and landscaping; plus miscellaneous repairs and replacements that tend to crop up. Keep in mind this is a huge house and an enormous amount of property. With the yearly taxes and the other items on the above list, we could be looking at close to $40,000 per year of out-of-pocket expenses. If TLC decides to drop the show, that's still $40,000 KON has to come up with just to remain in the Konpound. While some people think they have millions socked away, I do not really believe that. They are not Brangelina, after all. If they had to shell out $40,000 a year without the kids to support them through the show, KON would have to work - their money in the bank will not sustain them, their lavish lifestyle to which they have grown accustomed, and the kids. Plus, factor in private school tuition for Mady and Cara (and maybe the tups when they start first grade) and that will eat up even more money as the years go by. Does this sound reasonable to you guys out there? KON better have a plan - a realistic and feasible plan to support their family post J&K Plus 8. Education and meaningful job training for Jon and Kate - mmm, Kate...what hospital would hire her?

upsidedown said...

"I just feel sorry for the twins having to leave their friends at school."

They are not switching schools. They attend a private school!

upsidedown said...

many kids from Berks county catch a bus to the private school they attend.

I would wager the twins still attend their private school. I suspect the sextuplets will as well.

Shell76 said...

I completely agree that buying that expensive home was a BAD idea. What a lack of foresight on their part. Is is possible the new home was a gift of some kind, or at least a loaner? I still can't believe KON would be that stupid to put so much money into a high-maintenance home. Even if they maintain the yard on their own, the utilities will be very costly, as Watch Your Pennies stated. They are still relatively young, they have another good 30-35 working years ahead. If they did indeed pay for the new spread, they will BOTH have to go back to real work within the next five years, I'd imagine. It would be an absolute shame if all the kids' hard-earned money went towards the upkeep of that property.

They may be making big bucks now, but I can't see the show still on the air next January. I predict that when the show ends, their book-"writing" and spokesperson deals will end with it. Without the show, they lose their main platform. The kids are and always were the main draw...J&K themselves have as much charm and personality as mannequins.

MsPeabody said...

Denise said...
Slainte said...
Just curiuos to learn if a new family has moved into the old house. Anyone know?
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I checked the public records database that I have access to and the Elizabethtown home is still in their name. I also went to Zillow.com and the home is not listed for sale. Don't know what they are planning to do with it.


Perhaps they are keeping their old house in case the show ends and they have to move back into it. That of course would probably be too humilating for Kate.

MsPeabody said...

Poor Mady said...
Did anyone else every also consider that Mady's issues at school are the result of the way she is treated by her family? Kate constantly belittles her and it's all on film, for the masses to view each week.

In our house, my husband and I have one personal rule that we follow no matter what, when it comes to our kids. No matter what they do, even if it's in public, they do not ever get punished or disciplined in front of an audience. Even if it means that company comes to the house and they (the kids) act up, we pull them aside quietly in the moment but deal with the rest later, privately. It's embarrasing and we wouldn't like it done to us.

Can you just imagine being in Mady's shoes for a single day? Imagine your parents shaming you in front of the entire world. I think that's exactly why that child acts the way she does.


MsPeabody said: I think a lot of us have realized this about Mady. I'm sure that it is even worse for Mady when camera's aren't around and not only for Mady but for all of these kids. I say that based on my own experiences in dealing with someone like Kate. Only those who have personally interacted with this family could really confirm this so it is only my opinion.

MsPeabody said...

iknowinva said...
Jen said:
Im sorry but I don't know if I can trust what Julie says anymore. She was wrong about the house in NC that was already purchased. Jodi made her stop talking about this situation on her blog. Even if it is Jodi how do you know she would still say its not. That would make her look bad IMO.

Sorry Jen, I think you've been duped by Kon.

It IS a fact that TLC contacted a
home-improvement company based here in Virginia asking for SUBSTANSTIAL donations, both material and monetary, for a new home for the Gosselins.

It was unclear whether a home was going to be rehabbed or built, but it was clear that the house was in either North Caroline or Southern Virginia. This was not long ago (maybe over the summer?). Unfortunately, as we all know, times are hard and, the company denied the request.


I for one am so glad their request was denied. All the money these two have made off of their children's backs and still they need more donations to build their dream house..BLAHHHH!!!

timetogokon said...

I still can't believe KON would be that stupid to put so much money into a high-maintenance home.

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Of course KON is that stupid. Everything they do is for the here-and-now, with no foresight into the big picture.

And, I'd be willing to bet $ that they didn't buy that house - TLC probably did.

noteasybeingstupid said...

I believe that the kids will soon be home schooled to allow for flexibility in their filming and appearance schedule. Kate is not going to let a pesky little thing like school get in the way of her $$$$$$$$$

AtoB said...

LisaH said...
how would any of you feel if you found out that the Tups would be in your child's class at school?


As a teacher, if I found out any of the 8 G's would be enrolled in my class I would be thrilled. I would never allow cameras on school property, giving the children the privacy they need and deserve. I strive to provide all students with an environment of respect and consistent discipline, but uphold each child's individuality. It is important that every child feel loved and valued, but understand that there are rules and boundaries that need to be followed.

Janina said...

lisa said...
Could somebody please tell me what episode it was when Kate overreacted about Cara's hair? TIA


It was the "Here We Come Oprah!" episode which was basically almost 30 mins of how they pack for a trip. The twins and Kate went to get their hair done. The hairdresser asked Kate to come over to confirm how short to cut Cara's hair b/c apparently last time Cara cried after it was cut. I wouldn't say Kate overreacted though when showing the length with the scissors. She told the hairdresser a length; the hairdresser misunderstood; so to clarify she showed the hairdresser by moving the hairdresser's hand which was holding the scissors. Yes, personally I would point and not move the hairdresser's hand, but the couple of times I have seen that hairdresser, her and Kate seem to have a close, informal relationship.

iamcah said...

I doubt these kids will all go to a private school. With the kids in school all day, there wouldn't be as much to film at home. With Kate seeming to like the attention on her, I don't think the cameras would be in school much.

I can feel the "homeschooling" announcement coming up in a future show.

In a women's magazine interview, Kate said the one challenge they haven't had yet is a having a single child and they were looking into adopting a girl from Korea.

So, while all 8 kids could be in school, possibily affecting the interest of the show, we might see Kate the homeschooler (with help of a private teacher, of course) and a new baby.

That would ensure the makings of a continued interesting show and allow Kate to have the "oh, poor me; the world owes me" attitude.

RuthinVA said...

In a decent economy they can get 45,000. in interest on a million. I think she has saved, I think she has worked out deals in the last two years that have kept her from paying for anything. She is stingy, think of the Jodi deal, What little furniture they have was given to them through the show where Beth helps Kate pick out furniture. Remember movie night where she complains she does not have enough places for everyone to sit and watch the movie, they have to use pillows to sit on. BUT.....when "Watch your pennies" starts talking about maintenance we all know how murphy's law works. We also know Jon is not handy, I'm sure any little thing will result in someone else having to fix it. I seriously doubt Jon knows how to maintain a yard well, by the looks of the new place they need a bush hog not a riding mower. Remember, they also want a horse, and that equates to horses in their case. I know from experience horses are very expensive and require a lot of work. If Kate thinks she is doing a lot of feeding now just wait. Of course, I am sure Miss I don't know what a muzzle is thinks all horses eat only grass and water flows as freely in the winter as it does in the summer. It will take a lot of man hours to just take care of the grounds. I don't think Jon has enough ambition to do it. When the show ends and all the free help stops I think they are in for a rude awakening. I don't think they have enough money saved to continue to do nothing, but I think they live and have always lived in a unrealistic world and think anything is possible you just have to beg and you shall receive. Do you think they have any idea how much it cost to run a household? I don't know where they lived when it was just the two of them and the twins but it sounds like they got money from Jon's father even then.

Christine said...

I really don't think Kate would homeschool. Pennsylvania is one of the toughest states to homeschool in. The restrictions and local involvement that would come into the home would be way too much for Kate. Pennsylvania is a state with high regulation: The state requires parents to send notification or achievement test scores and/or professional evaluation, plus other requirements (e.g. curriculum approval by the state, teacher qualification of parents, or home visits by state officials).

SmartyQ said...

I too hope the show will be cancelled soon. This won't, of course, make Kon better parents because they were lousy parents before we were introduced to them via TLC. What it might do is remove one of the two biggest monkeys from the children's backs, ie, the constant exposure and exploitation. The 800-lb gorilla parents—well, they're stuck with them.

IMO, Kon's PR team is squeezing every last endorsement possible for Kon against the day when the show is cancelled. Queen Freebie Irene will tout certain products as will Prince Ka-Ching.

That, however, too will end. I doubt that, in five years, QFI will be singing the joys of brown bagging or Jon of Microsoft. In the end spokesperson fatigue will set in, and sponsors will look for new faces with new gimmicks.

I suspect QFI will end up, as her last gig, talking to the Tid-e-Bowl man, and the only place to go after that is to become Ruhla Lenska for Alberto VO5 Shampoo.

I predict that, by that day, QFI will have had so much plastic surgery that she will resemble Norma Desmond and will come down the stairs intoning, 'I'm ready for my close-up, Mr DeMille.'

Amy said...

iamcah said...
I doubt these kids will all go to a private school. With the kids in school all day, there wouldn't be as much to film at home. With Kate seeming to like the attention on her, I don't think the cameras would be in school much.

I can feel the "homeschooling" announcement coming up in a future show.

In a women's magazine interview, Kate said the one challenge they haven't had yet is a having a single child and they were looking into adopting a girl from Korea.
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Does anyone have any more information about adopting a girl from Korea? I haven't read anything about this for a while yet.

Get a clue said...

The whole girl from Korea thing was just more Kate running on. She later said they'd found that they didn't qualify for adoption from Korea - they have too many children.

Amy said...

Thank you for the update.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Seriously, those endorsement deals aren't bringing in that much cash. I wouldn't even know about them unless I read it on this blog. They might get free stuff, but I don't think there is that much cash involved.

About the school, if they are pandering to the 700 Club fans, I see homeschooling or at least a Christian school in the future.

AUNTY said...

Are they really looking at the 'Christian" avenues now?

Besides the '700 club', what other areas are they 'pursueing'?

How do we, those concerned with the children, let these 'agencies' and 'Christian outlets', AWARE of who the 'gosselins' really are, so they don't donate more to this family?

This money, from Christian families, needs to go to 'deserving' families, not more to the K/J fund.

How do we do this friends?

Where do we begin?

I've written letters to some of the 'upcoming' churches, and got responses, but where are these 'school' avenues?

Piper said...

For those who said pa is too strict when it comes to homeschooling,I actally live in Pa and also homeschool my kids and it's not as strict as many think. If you know anyone with a Masters degree for anything even if it doesn't deal with teaching or someone who is a certified teacher,
all they do is sign the porfolio once a year and adminster PSSA's once a year, the public school preety much leaves you alone..just a heads up.

ThreeFarmers said...

Seriously, those endorsement deals aren't bringing in that much cash. I wouldn't even know about them unless I read it on this blog. They might get free stuff, but I don't think there is that much cash involved.

Endorsement deals bring in loads of cash. Every celeb from athletes to tv personalities strive to get these sorts of deals because that's where the big cash lies. That's why so many big stars, who wouldn't consider doing commercials in the US, do them overseas. They can't afford to turn them down because they bring in so much money for a relatively small amount of work.

Endorsement deals are where it's at if you're a celeb.

Get a clue said...

It's a shame that advertisers think we're all so gullible that just because a celebrity endorses something that we'll use or do it. But then they must have some foundation for that belief and enough people must fall for it.

Marie-France said...

timetogokon said...
I still can't believe KON would be that stupid to put so much money into a high-maintenance home.
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Of course KON is that stupid. Everything they do is for the here-and-now, with no foresight into the big picture.
And, I'd be willing to bet $ that they didn't buy that house - TLC probably did.
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The Konpound is in a revocable trust in the name of an attorney who practices in the Reading/Wyomissing area. Could this be an indication that perhaps TLC paid for it and when the show's over, the Konpound reverts back to TLC and they can then sell it or KON can then buy it outright from them? I don't know. I am not at all familiar with the legalities of real estate transactions. I am just asking. Does anyone have any idea?

Marie-France said...

ThreeFarmers said...
Endorsement deals bring in loads of cash. Every celeb from athletes to tv personalities strive to get these sorts of deals because that's where the big cash lies. That's why so many big stars, who wouldn't consider doing commercials in the US, do them overseas. They can't afford to turn them down because they bring in so much money for a relatively small amount of work. Endorsement deals are where it's at if you're a celeb.
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3F, I think you are right about this if we were talking about an A-list celebrity in the profesional sports or entertainment arenas. But KON is a Z-list celebrity (for lack of a better way of putting it)and a flash in the pan. Kate is not out promoting Nikes. There may be some money trickling in from the endorsement deals, but I suspect the payback comes in the way of free products.

heidiiiii said...

I do not know if this was already posted but I found this article in Brandweek.com.

http://www.brandweek.com/bw/content_display/news-and-features/packaged-goods/e3i686368ba4cd6a88ccf66cfc8bf2dd217

The article is titled. Opinion: Kate Gosselin, Most Polarizing Spokesperson Ever?

wramblinwreck said...

"KON is a Z-list celebrity (for lack of a better way of putting it)and a flash in the pan. Kate is not out promoting Nikes. There may be some money trickling in from the endorsement deals, but I suspect the payback comes in the way of free products."

I agree that whatever Kon is getting for their endorsements, it's most likely in free products rather than huge checks. Michael Jordan may get a lifetime supply of Fruit of the Looms for endorsing Hanes products, but he's also getting multimillions for those TV and print ads. The big bucks go to high-profile sports and entertainment people, not Z-list wannabes with a (relatively) small-time reality series on a freak show channel.

Privacy Please said...

" Imagine your parents shaming you in front of the entire world" posted by Poor Mady.

Exactly !

Remember the episode about violin lessons ?

Kate, (on the confessional couch) said, "Mady's teacher said that we need to challenge Mady extracurricularly".

(Is "extracurricularly" really a word?)

More importantly, what Mady's teacher says is nobody else's business !!!!

Jodie said...

The Konpound is in a revocable trust in the name of an attorney who practices in the Reading/Wyomissing area. Could this be an indication that perhaps TLC paid for it and when the show's over, the Konpound reverts back to TLC and they can then sell it or KON can then buy it outright from them? I don't know. I am not at all familiar with the legalities of real estate transactions. I am just asking. Does anyone have any idea?

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If J&K are the beneficiaries of the trust, they are the rightful owners of the house, regardless of the fact that their lawyer is the trustee. They probably did it this way for privacy and to be able to pass the house directly to the kids in case both of them died, instead of going through probate/guardianship hearings. This is fairly common and even non-celebrities use trusts to hold their real estate.

SAHM said...

Marie-France said...
The Konpound is in a revocable trust in the name of an attorney who practices in the Reading/Wyomissing area. Could this be an indication that perhaps TLC paid for it and when the show's over, the Konpound reverts back to TLC and they can then sell it or KON can then buy it outright from them? I don't know. I am not at all familiar with the legalities of real estate transactions. I am just asking. Does anyone have any idea?
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This was my initial thought when i found out that the house is in a Trust in the Atty's name(which if i remember correctly is the same atty that came to their house in an earlier episode to draft a will for them). The trust agmt would state the specifics but more than likely, when the show ends, the house will go back to the atty/TLC & J&K will have to move out..... OR..... J&K will have the option to purchase from the Trust. My bets are the first of the 2 though.

My Messy Boys said...

Is it just me or do the upcoming episodes look extremely boring? Making soup and visiting the dentist? They have already had similar episodes to both of these! The only reason I still tune in is to check out their new mansion. After that there has got to be something more interesting on.

Marsha said...

Marie-France said...

ThreeFarmers said...
Endorsement deals bring in loads of cash. Every celeb from athletes to tv personalities strive to get these sorts of deals because that's where the big cash lies. That's why so many big stars, who wouldn't consider doing commercials in the US, do them overseas. They can't afford to turn them down because they bring in so much money for a relatively small amount of work. Endorsement deals are where it's at if you're a celeb.
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3F, I think you are right about this if we were talking about an A-list celebrity in the profesional sports or entertainment arenas. But KON is a Z-list celebrity (for lack of a better way of putting it)and a flash in the pan. Kate is not out promoting Nikes. There may be some money trickling in from the endorsement deals, but I suspect the payback comes in the way of free products.


They may not be getting the million dollar contracts that A-list celebrities receive, but they have a manager, and she's not going to settle for free products. Her job is to know how much their "celebrity status" is worth and to negotiate as much as possible. She wants her cut and I'm sure they're striking as many deals as they can while the show is still popular. Remember, she's not making money unless they are making money. It's a win-win for both parties.

I would bet that they are making more money on the book deals and endorsements than the actual show itself. The show is just a means to where the big money lies.

Allissa said...

For the sheeple who doubt the KON move to bigger and probably paid for home, I can say I found it on line. I am not a neighbor, friend, enemy or sheeple. Not too hard to do if you pay attention to the posts. They settled on 10/23/08 at a price of $1,120,000, on 23.88 acres. 2-story home,on "farmstead" in Wernersville. In name of a trust which I won't reveal.Riding off the backs of those poor kids. Let's hope this train wreck ends soon.

wramblinwreck said...

"The show is just a means to where the big money lies."

I think the difference in opinion lies in the definition of "big money." Whatever their manager may or may not be able to negotiate for the Gosselins, it's nowhere in the neighborhood of what real celebrity endorsements are worth. Maybe I've missed them, but I haven't seen any major ad campaigns where the Gosselins endorse a product, like the Hanes "Look Who" ads that have featured various celebrities the last few years in numerous prime time TV ads and print ads in major newspapers and magazines and billboards. They may be compensated for the level of promotion they're doing, but it's small time compared to where the real money is made.

my9cats said...

Allissa said...
For the sheeple who doubt the KON move to bigger and probably paid for home, I can say I found it on line. I am not a neighbor, friend, enemy or sheeple. Not too hard to do if you pay attention to the posts. They settled on 10/23/08 at a price of $1,120,000, on 23.88 acres. 2-story home,on "farmstead" in Wernersville. In name of a trust which I won't reveal.Riding off the backs of those poor kids. Let's hope this train wreck ends soon.

1/04/2009 1:57 PM

In Zillow the old house is now "valued" at 229,500, down from 280k in 3/2006, and the new house went from 1,200, 000 in 10/2008 to 794.500 this week.

Cathleen said...

I just got another(!) email from WikiAnswers to inform me that the question: "What are opinions on Jon and Kate's move?" has been closed to new answers and changes. Further, they state: "This is done in rare cases when questions are being vandalized or answers have become debates. Email WikiAnswers @ Answers.com if you would like it to be reopened."
All the questions/answers related to KON are being vandalized - answers deleted, blatant propaganda posted, etc. KON's army of PR people are out there and fighting hard.

Debra said...

Jodie said...
If J&K are the beneficiaries of the trust, they are the rightful owners of the house, regardless of the fact that their lawyer is the trustee. They probably did it this way for privacy and to be able to pass the house directly to the kids in case both of them died, instead of going through probate/guardianship hearings. This is fairly common and even non-celebrities use trusts to hold their real estate.
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I wonder who would be the designated "legal guardian" of the eight kids (if something happened to J & K)since Aunt Jodie and Uncle Kevin as well as Beth and Bob have been kicked to the curb by Kate. In the will episode, KON said that the "designated guardian" would be willing to take all eight. Don't know who they could possibly legally designate now.

iluveeyore said...

I would imagine that the childrens' guardian has not changed. Jon and Kate would take advantage of their family's/friends' good nature. They know that if something happened to them, their relatives and friends would still love the kids!

Bicoastal said...

Wramblinwreck wrote: "The big bucks go to high-profile sports and entertainment people, not Z-list wannabes with a (relatively) small-time reality series on a freak show channel."

Absolutely dead-on about TLC! Who owns that network? I imagine it's some lonely outcast[s] fascinated by bowel movements, body fat and birth defects.

Figure 8 falls into the same mold except they try to elevate their window-peeping to humanitarian purposes.

Sad people filmed by crass film makers hired by network pervs drooling at the world's oddities.

Freak show channel indeed!

beachluvin said...

my9cats said...
In Zillow the old house is now "valued" at 229,500, down from 280k in 3/2006, and the new house went from 1,200, 000 in 10/2008 to 794.500 this week.

1/04/2009 2:17 PM
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Wow! Sucks for them! They already lost $400,000.00 on that deal...
Another brilliant move by the genius of Jon and Kate Gosselin!
Too bad it wasn't their money to lose. Poor kids!

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