Free Discussion 1/16 -1/22

For discussion about the Gosselins that doesn't have a more appropriate thread.

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I'm Freezing said...

I try not to nitpick this family too much, but I have a question, and maybe this has been discussed already. Why is the Gosselin Web site called www.sixgosselins.com? Aren't there 8 kids? Wow, I'm being nitpicky, but I've always wondered that.

karen0101 said...

Beth is considered a saint in comparison to Kate, who is considered a devil in these parts. It would be more productive to judge someone on who they are instead of who they aren't IMO.

Jen K said...

Ok, this is so random so it probably fits right into "free discussion". :)

Someone asked if their current house had been sold. I checked and it looks as though it is still owned by them at least according to the tax rolls which are usually not updated right away after a sale anyway. But I also didn't see an MLS listing for the house either.

Either they are waiting until the moving show airs (maybe to drum up publicity and make some additional money on the house, not that I would pay extra for a house because it was on TV but someone might) or it's what's called a "pocket listing" which is a house for sale but informally in which an agent talks to other agents and tries to sell it privately rather than making the sale public.

In other research, I found out that their current house has some bad luck associated with it. In 2003 the elderly man who lived there died in the house. Two years later, his elderly widow was tragically killed in a car accident and then the G's bought it in March of 2006. Very sad about the former couple who owned it. Wonder if they knew any of this when they bought the house.

Anyway, I predict that the house will go up on the market after the airing of the "New House" episode. If I were them, not that I care if they make any more money off their kids' notoriety, I would sell as soon as possible. Strike while the iron is hot.

But we know Kate has a plan hatched for making as much money as possible..no worries there.

shann said...

Was it true that the Gosselins did infact buy a vactation home in North Carolina?

cheryl said...

The g's are nothing without the kids. Continuing to use the kids
for their paycheck is ludricrous!!

a sheeple no more said...

My kids (8 & 4 yrs, boy and girl respectively) have been telling me how I'm mean or no fun lately. They watch (I make them!) Kon's shows, (ie, crayolagate & cupcakegate) and then I tell them, 'Now that's mean and no fun! Should I start being like that mommy?' It's always a resounding NOOO!
I wouldn't ( I love my kids & I would never subject them to that, BUT it gets the point across.) My daughter loves the tups. My son said Kate was mean the very first show he watched! After those two shows, I don't hear I'm mean OR no fun. Who needs a laxative when there is J&K. Those two give me the sh**s!

karen0101 said...

This is a quick question for Sharla or Maggie. What happened to the 'most recent comments' section? I miss that.

Sharla said...

There was a change in how they were showing up and it kept "sticking" so I removed it.

nomorekonartists said...

I just wanted to say that I know most on this site do not like the Kon show, me being one of them. I do not like the way the exploit their children for financial gain, or the way they attempt to deceive the public about their "middle class" status. However, I would like nothing more than for this show to go off the air so these kids can have a normal life. One way to do that is to STOP WATCHING! If more people stop watching then the ratings go down the show gets taken off. Obviously writing letters to T.L.C. and the sponsors for Kon are a definite plus as well, but not watching helps too.

PCOS info said...

Someone commented about PCOS on the other free discussion page and I would like to continue with this. I have PCOS and I have but a few of the symptoms. I do have some extra weight and it is quite difficult to lose weight. I do have some hair growth but nothing crazy. I will not get a regular menstrual cycle without birth control (irony right).

Although Kate claims to have PCOS she exhibits none of the physical symptoms. She has yet to delve into the PCOS issue. She said she always thought she would have trouble conceiving and sure enough she was right.

If you have PCOS you know that based on some very obvious symptoms like the lack of a menstrual cycle. Most women will call their gyno if they don't get a period and know that thye are not preggo.
Does anyone else find her claim to be somewhat suspicious. Or does anyone know any women with PCOS who do not exhibit any symptoms yet cannot conceive? BTW, Victoria Beckham also said that she has PCOS and she is pin thin so who knows maybe Kate is telling the truth too.

MaryD said...

Diane said:
i have noticed that everyone here seems to treat beth like a saint. every comment about her seems to mention what a class act she is, but essentially, isn't she reaping the benefits of selling the kids out as well?
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I understand what you are saying and it's true. I guess it is just that she isn't constantly out there trying to keep cashing in on them. Also, I wouldn't even be upset with the Gosselins if they had just done maybe 1 or 2 specials a year. I can understand people wanting to see how they had grown and they would not have had to show things that would embarrass the kids. It would have given them a little extra money to set aside for college or whatever. What the Gosselins have done has gone way beyond the idea of earning some money to save for the kids. They are now making money off of them to live their every day life so they don't have to work.

JackfromNY said...

nomorekonartists said...

I just wanted to say that I know most on this site do not like the Kon show, me being one of them. I do not like the way the exploit their children for financial gain, or the way they attempt to deceive the public about their "middle class" status. However, I would like nothing more than for this show to go off the air so these kids can have a normal life. One way to do that is to STOP WATCHING! If more people stop watching then the ratings go down the show gets taken off. Obviously writing letters to T.L.C. and the sponsors for Kon are a definite plus as well, but not watching helps too.

1/16/2009 8:57 AM

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I'm pretty sure Ratings are only measured from people that take part in the official Nielsen Ratings.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think the average Joe deciding to stop watching a certain show is going to have any affect on the ratings.

fxfanatic said...

Diane, I understand what you are saying about Beth also reaping the benefits but she did WRITE the book and she didn't do it to earn money as much as to help Kate get her story on paper.
Since Beth is no longer around, it seems to me that she didn't want to watch the circus continue. Her silence on this whole issue is why I think she has class. She could be talking but she isn't. She obviously cares more about the kids than about trashing Kate.
I think that is commendable because I can't be sure I would be so generous.

fxfanatic said...

I'm Freezing -- Only 6 of them are money makers.

ContactingtheSponsors said...

Jon and Kate plus 8 used to be seen daily on weekdays in the mornings from 11:00 to 12:00. Then not too long ago it was pushed back to 11:00 to 11:30. Now it's not even on anymore in the mornings. Has anyone noticed this? And what does this mean?

jon and kate are cons said...

Is it true that K-Mart is considering bringing Kate back as a spokesperson? Please, someone tell me that K-Mart can't be that dumb.

caffinated said...

Sigh! Oh how I loathe these parents and I have a bit of self-loathing for how "caught-up" and angry I seem to get when I read anything related to KON. :o)

This got me thinking to what would it take for me to respect KON (and perhaps not read these blogs daily and actually get on with my life lol!). I am by no means telling them how they should live and certainly what I continue to type below has been mentioned time and time again, but I'm going to stop lurking and contribute in writing my own two cents...

Here's what it would take for me:
1. Stop the weekly shows. The tups are 4.5 and as a mom of a daughter who is 10 days younger than the tups, it's not a cute age anymore! Nor do I care to be privy to those awkward and difficult tween years the twins are facing. I'd be up for a one-hour special once, maybe twice a year, but no more.
2. I'd have much more respect for Jon if he'd get a real 9-to-5 job that got him up and out of the house everyday. What a great way to show your boys (and your girls for that matter) what true responsibility is all about and what it means to be a provider for your family.
3. When the Gosselins go on vacation, I'd have more respect for them if they went by themselves and not with a camera crew. Pay your own way to wherever you go and create those family memories without the world watching (and judging you for the astronomical frivolity and lavishness spent on these trips, even if it doesn't come out of your pocket).
4. I'd like the guest speaking gigs at the churches to stop. All these people did was reproduce in mass quantity--why does that make them so special? How can a woman who berates her husband multiple times an episode and displays questionable parenting skills on nationwide TV be a role model for Christian women/families anywhere? And I'm not thrilled with the love offerings or the $20 family photos (creepy), either!
5. Instead of buying a $1.3 million dollar mansion (and a new ski-condo), I would have had much more respect for this family if they chose to build an add-on or two to their existing house, or bought something a little less "mcmansionish". How can I not think you are spending every penny to live how you want to live with no regard for your children?
6. I would have more respect for them if they were consistent. If they are going to play the "poor" card or the "we struggle" card, by all means, don't flaunt your new-found wealth that was made on the backs of your minor-aged children to our faces. You cannot be a spokesperson for Kmart or P&G and tell me about layaway or coupon clipping when you wear high-end brand name clothing, have a personal chef, a nanny/paid helper, and most likely have not looked at a weekly grocery flier in two years.
7. Finally, I would have great respect for Kate as a mother, if she would be an advocate for her children and make sure there were boundaries when filming (no cameras in the bedrooms and bathrooms, no filming a sick child, and parental rights to view/edit the programs before they are aired to make sure nothing could cause harm to those kids down the road [like Mady writhing away on the floor, etc.--an innocent thing for any child to do, but totally inappropriate to be viewed on national TV]).

Ok, ladies...what else have I missed?

Thanks for letting me vent!

Annie said...

Is there ever a day that the Gosselins are not in the New's?

http://www.brandfreak.com/2009/01/kmart-considers-bringing-back-kate-gosselin-as-spokeswoman.html?cid=145243038#comments

laurajean said...

Check out this link regarding K-Mart. http://www.brandfreak.com/2009/01/kmart-considers-bringing-back-kate-gosselin-as-spokeswoman.html?cid=145243038#comments

Laurajean said...

K-Mart contact, please write in and let them know your displeasure should they consider continuing with Kate.

TOM AIELLO
Sears Holdings
(847) 286-7387
TAIELL1@searshc.com

FXfanatic said...

caffinated: (and I'm on my 3rd dietCoke)
I totally agree with all your points!!

Feel better?????

zoey said...

Cutting Room floor episode.
I thought it was Hilarious when cara and mady were at the casting agency and the lady yelled at Kate " I WILL HANDLE THIS"
the lady seemed Pretty annoyed by the whole fiasco of jon and kate coaching the kids in a rude manner.

caffinated said...

fx...

jittery and very happy now!

thanks!

C said...

2/2/2009
9:00 pm
Jon & Kate Plus 8
The Big Move
TV-G

After lots of planning and preparation, the Gosselin clan finally packs up and moves to a more spacious home. Jon and Kate say goodbye to the house where their children spent most of their young lives, and the family embarks on a new chapter of life.

karen0101 said...

"Jon and Kate plus 8 used to be seen daily on weekdays in the mornings from 11:00 to 12:00. Then not too long ago it was pushed back to 11:00 to 11:30. Now it's not even on anymore in the mornings. Has anyone noticed this? And what does this mean?"

I just checked the schedule for next week. The show is on a marathon for MLK day and then airs between 5 and 6 p.m. the rest of the week. They changed it from early morning to late afternoon. I think this actually means it's a ratings grabber and TLC wants it on after school when more families are home to watch together. If they get those kinds of demos (parents watching with kids) we might see more ads aimed at kids like the ones that are on during cartoons. This change in the schedule might be more of an indicator of the show's success than failure. That's just a guess from me. Maybe someone with more t.v. knowledge can fill us in.

Kramer said...

Regarding Beth and the book, it's not clear what percentage (if any) she is getting from the sales, if she got an advance before publication, etc. Chances are Kate got most of the monies from the book.

Peg said...

I find it quite ironic that if you go to K-Marts website, they have a childrens privacy policy. I believe they need to look at the privacy issues surrounding their spokeswoman's children.

Shot Down said...

Zoey that was indeed a funny episode. It was written all over Kate's face that she was not happy that the lady at the casting agency was not interested in the twins. In fact during the couch interview, she kept saying WHATEVER this, WHATEVER that in an annoying way. You know Kate thought that the twins had a future in modeling. But the lady shot her down.

Wish everyone would do the same to Kate.

avasmommy said...

It seems as though there have been discussions as to whether or not KON are celebrities. This is from Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity

A celebrity is a widely-recognized or notable person who commands a high degree of public and media attention. Generally speaking, a celebrity is someone who seeks media attention and most frequently have extroverted personalities.Celebrities that shy away from the public eye or keep a very separate private life are called a reluctant celebrity. A notable example is Kurt Cobain. On the oher end of the spectrum, those that seek out publicity for themselves are often called a media tart whereas those that use their private life as a vehicle for enhanced celebrity status, sometimes desperately, are referred to as a media whore.

So there you have it folks. KON are nothing more than media whores.

Just because they are "celebrities" doesn't mean they are comparible to the other celebrities that use their talents to make a living rather than their children.

wramblinwreck said...

"The show is on a marathon for MLK day and then airs between 5 and 6 p.m. the rest of the week. They changed it from early morning to late afternoon."

At that hour, most families with working parents are in the midst of other activities, such as the parents returning from work, picking up kids from their after-school activities, homework, meal prep, etc., and they're lucky to have everyone home by 6 pm.

"I think this actually means it's a ratings grabber and TLC wants it on after school when more families are home to watch together."

The time slot from 5:00-6:00 pm is not prime family viewing time, more like a dead zone.

concerned wife and mommy said...

I was thinking about Jon and Kate the other day, and comparing them to my own marriage and family. While we have no where near the material wealth that their family has,I would never trade places with them in a million years.

One thing about the way that Kate speaks to and about Jon - always derogatory... I think she makes it think that she looks "better" than him. But - if she is right about how uncapable he is about everything - well, he cannot help it then. But she is the dummy who chose him anyway. That is one thing I never have understood about people who belittle their spouses. It just makes them look stupid for picking that person! I know that my husband is not perfect, and I know that he could tell you that I am far from it as well. But I want the people who know us to know what a wonderful man I have. So, when I speak about him, I make sure to talk about how great he is. If I have a problem with him, then I will talk to him about it, and he does the same for me. If we cannot resolve the issue, then we will seek out counsel from someone that we both trust and that we know will tell us the truth, not just what we want to hear, and someone who won't break our confidences. I just wonder how much better their marriage would be if Kate did not have to tell all of their viewers how terrible Jon is about everything he does.
Another thing I was thinking about is our little boy. He thinks his daddy can do no wrong. His daddy is a superhero. Now, we also have teenagers, so we know that this stage will not last! :) But, right now, his daddy is his hero and that is an awesome thing. Kate is robbing her children of the chance to see their father that way, and it just makes me sad. When they were outside playing with playdoh, and she came out and said something about how they were so glad they had a daddy to clean up, in a voice just dripping with sarcasm... it just broke my heart for those children. How hard would it be to come out and be excited that they have a daddy who wants to spend time with them and be silly? And even if he was just putting in the time, at least he was interacting with them. Why does she have to put him down ALL the time?

Now, I am no huge Jon fan, and I can think of a lot of things he should be doing a lot differently. But... if she is going to constantly put him down and belittle him and demasculate him, I don't think it is going to take long before he goes to look for someone who makes him feel like he is a man... Now, I hope that I am wrong about that. But when I was reading the article about him buying the condo in Utah or Colorado or wherever, and Kate would not be there a lot... just got me to thinking about how temptations could very likely come across his way. I hope for the sake of their children and their marriage that they can overcome these issues and actually be a strong family. But unless there are some drastic changes, I just don't see that happening...

lisak said...

Speaking of the episode 'the cutting room floor' I had never noticed this before, but in one scene it showed one of the boys totally naked.It was when Beth was at the Hotel keeping the kids while J&K and the twins went to the circus. They didn't even have it blurred out. I bring this up because the sheeple argue that the kids are never filmed naked at all.

Kris said...

I saw the last few minutes of an epsiode last night (not sure what it was titled) but it was the one with footage that even Jon and Kate supposedly haven't even seen...

For those saying that filming the kids is not a concern, there is a scene in which Beth is bathing the tups while Jon, TAKE (AKA Kate [scrambled]), and the twins are watching Cirque De Soleil (because you know, they have "always" wanted to see it and finally got the chance), and Beth is changing them and it shows one of the girls' privates blurred.


Have you people heard of child molestors or perverts out there?

Oh but I forgot, we are just jealous.

Pfft.

AtoB said...

Anonymous ContactingtheSponsors said...

Jon and Kate plus 8 used to be seen daily on weekdays in the mornings from 11:00 to 12:00. Then not too long ago it was pushed back to 11:00 to 11:30. Now it's not even on anymore in the mornings. Has anyone noticed this? And what does this mean?

_________________________________

I noticed! No more Wednesday night "marathons" either. We'll see...

Miriam said...

Let the family do whatever they want. It is their choices and they are the only ones they have to answer to at the end of the day. When the kids end up all screwed up and not talking to each other, there mom and dad will have to deal with it. I think I'm going to stop reading this blog now. It is so negative and harsh and even though I think they are a wacked family doesn't mean I have the right to say anything, which I have posted on here before.

To Jon and Kate Gosselin: Good luck with the family, hope you haven't screwed them up to the point where they are going to need therapists. Enjoy your new home, hope it is everything you wanted. Just remember that sometimes good things come to an end.

PEACE!

buffy said...

did anyone notice that they stopped the marathons on Sundays as well, maybe they are begining to see that the KON Show must GO

JustSaying said...

Putting your head in the sand won't make the problem go away. Just sayin.

allisonw said...

can someone give me an example of how jon/kate have cried poor or tried to convince the public that they're struggling financially? The only thing i can think of that everybody is referring to is when she talks about buying on sale/in bulk/using coupons. That doesn't mean a family is struggling, that means a family is making their money stretch as far as possible, personally I think that's smart, not deceptive. Or are you guys referring to that fact that she's a spokesperson for kmarts layaway plan? if i had 8 kids and not a whole lot of storage i may have aken advantage of that, there's no interset charged on that right? using layaway to your advantage doesn't mean you're poor either. what am i missing?

i don't agree w/ most of the decisions that kate make. Yes i believe she's exploiting those kids and it needs to stop, but it seems like the number 2 complaint is they're still crying poor when they're obviously not.

yes i know about the college funds, but can someone give me an example of something recent, like in the last six months?

octobertwentythirdtwothousandsix said...

[b]diane said...

i have been thinking about this for a while, and i am by no means defending kate (quite the contrary), but i have noticed that everyone here seems to treat beth like a saint. every comment about her seems to mention what a class act she is, but essentially, isn't she reaping the benefits of selling the kids out as well? i don't care if she was well-off already; she's making money off those kids, too. just wanted to point that out since it seems a little hypocritical.[/b]

I agree! Everybody always gushes over Beth and talk about how she's all that. She could be the most rudest, arrogant person you'd ever meet. I know she may look nice on TV, but sill, you never know...

LeeLee said...

JK8 used to air at 11-12 and 5-6. Now it's just 5-6 with no Wednesday marathons. I never even knew about the Sunday marathons. I wonder if advertisers are backing out, but I'd heard they have a waiting list for ad time...hmmmm.

Just saw Kate on a rerun and she used to have a distinct crossbite but doesn't now. Her face is definitely different.

Kate is nothing like a typical PCOS patient...but then I've never believed her infertility story as she claims it happened. When I see how many lies they are caught in now, it's easy to see how they could have lied their way right through the whole fiasco.

When they come walking down that hill in the promos (Kate in the yellow jacket) it's obvious they are on their way to the bank.

Losers.

reenie0912 said...

I liked Aunt Jodi, and I miss seeing her on the show. However, it makes me wonder, that she and KON had a falling out after she wanted to be paid for being on the show. Doesn't that make her just as bad as Jon & Kate? Seems like EVERYONE wants to cash in on these children. If Aunt Jodi loves the kids as much as she says, and is so interested in their well being, why didn't she have a problem with the show when it started? Why did she wait until she knew she wasn't going to be paid to then suddenly have a problem?

Harriet said...

Perhaps because to Jodi it was about the children and not the money. Kate made it about the money as an excuse to get rid of Jodi. Jodi said she'd keep helping with the children and even appearing on the show for no compensation. TLC offered and Kate said no. Jodi never asked for money.

Just A Thought said...

Many many moons ago, I went to a speaking engagement (not Jon and Kate) where the guest speaker was a tad bit controversial according to some. Anyhow, on my way inside, we noticed a few peaceful picketers across the street -- simply holding signs and I believe some were handing out flyers. They were respectful, but I noticed a lot of people looking over at them wondering why they were there. In other words, they got people to notice; and my guess is some went home and researched why the guest speaker was controversial.

Point being, there is a lot of talk of what people can do. Has anyone ever considered going to a J&K speaking engagement and peacefully protesting? I am no lawyer, but I believe peaceful protests, as long as they aren't on private property, are legal (right?). If people are as passionate about child advocacy as they say they are, I wonder if anyone has considered it.

Serena said...

Let the family do whatever they want.

Great idea! Child exploitation is none of our business. All those people who fought for so many years to get laws in place to prevent child exploitation were just jealous busybodies who should have stuck their heads in the sand instead of advocating for helpless defenseless children.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing; I'm sure Jon and Kate Gosselin, Figure 8, TLC, and all the show's sponsors just love people with attitudes like yours.

wramblinwreck said...

"can someone give me an example of how jon/kate have cried poor or tried to convince the public that they're struggling financially?"

If you're trying to make a point, you might be more persuasive if you did your own research so that you can make your case. Coming to a blog and expecting others to do the work for you generally doesn't work.

"Everybody always gushes over Beth and talk about how she's all that."

Not true. I've read plenty of criticism of Beth because she hasn't talked about her behind the scenes knowledge of the Gosselin kids. If everything is just fine, why hasn't she said something to put all the speculation to rest? What better source to support the Gosselins' contention that there are no issues regarding the kids? The audience has seen her on the show many times, and would believe her if she made a public statement in support of what the Gosselins are doing with their kids. The fact there has been only silence, despite the NE stories, the CNN story, Paul Peterson's statements, may be considered as "classy" by some, but others don't agree.

ICExploitation said...

I liked Aunt Jodi, and I miss seeing her on the show. However, it makes me wonder, that she and KON had a falling out after she wanted to be paid for being on the show. Doesn't that make her just as bad as Jon & Kate? Seems like ,EVERYONE wants to cash in on these children. If Aunt Jodi loves the kids as much as she says, and is so interested in their well being, why didn't she have a problem with the show when it started? Why did she wait until she knew she wasn't going to be paid to then suddenly have a problem?

A lot of Julie's (Jodi's sister) posts regarding the situation have been removed. Basically, TLC offered Jodi compensation. She did not ask to be paid. When Kate found out Jodi would benefit, Kate threatened to walk. Jodi was willing to still appear, her main concern was to maintain the relationship between her, Kevin and the children.

Per Julie, this occurred months before Julie "whistle-blew". When it was obvious that relationship could not be sustained, she came forward (with Jodi's consent).

I think Kate just gets want she wants from people and when they no longer serve a purpose (hers) she drops them.

You know when Kate says "they didn't know how to help us." she really means "I don't need their help."

This is fine and dandy, nothing wrong with being self-sufficient, but unfortunately the Gosselins are not.

They may not go to speaking engagements and out right say "we are poor, we are destitute" - but when they mention things like "college" it plants the seed in the viewers head that the Gosselins DO have to pay for college tuition times 8 and it plucks at heartstrings to give.

I am not a hater, I am not jealous, common sense justs makes me ask - why is there not money for college? The show isn't enough? You can't pay for college but you can afford a 1.3 million dollar house? But bottom line, Jon and Kate really could not make it work without exposing their children? When Jon preaches about doing the best for his children - for me, it's not the "best" - it's the "easiest" way.

No one knows what's in store for these children, I just know, that any parent who truly cares for his/her children would NEVER do anything that might jeopardize their health or well being (that includes mental too).

For any of you out there that are parents - would YOU take the chance?

Snarkygirl said...

Hi All,
Somewhere on one of the blog threads we were discussing why young people loved J&K+8. I told y'all that when I returned to the classroom this Spring (I am a university prof.) I would ask my students if they watched and why. So yesterday in class I had an opportunity to ask...here is what I found out. The majority of students who spoke up where young women between the ages of 19-23. The most common reason they watched is because they thought the kids were cute. Two said they aspired to be like Kate. When I asked what they meant, one young woman said, "I want to have six kids and I live vicariously through Kate." Frankly, I thought this disturbing, but did not say so. When I asked if they liked Kate most said no, and that they thought Jon was abused, but they also thought Jon was not exactly the brightest light on the Christmas tree. When I asked if they thought the kids were exploited they looked confused. I have to be careful what I say in class so I didn't elaborate. Most who watched J&K also watched the Duggers -- a local family. Much to my delight I found out that Cousin Amy's best friend is in the class as well as someone who is friends with one of the kids (guess you can figure where I teach now)...I might get an intro... The class I teach allows me to discuss popular TV and especially popular TV that has an underlying religious theme. I am still baffled and I really want to understand what the attraction is for young woman. I'll keep asking.

Annie said...

WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS OF POLYCYSTIC OVARY SYNDROME (PCOS)?

http://www.4woman.gov/faq/polycystic-ovary-syndrome.cfm#k

Not all women with PCOS share the same symptoms. These are some of the symptoms of PCOS:

Infrequent menstrual periods, no menstrual periods, and/or irregular bleeding.
Infertility (not able to get pregnant) because of not ovulating.
Increased hair growth on the face, chest, stomach, back, thumbs, or toes—a condition called hirsutism (HER-suh-tiz-um).
Ovarian cysts.
Acne, oily skin, or dandruff
weight gain or obesity, usually carrying extra weight around the waist.
Insulin resistance or type 2 diabetes.
High cholesterol
High blood pressure
Male-pattern baldness or thinning hair
Patches of thickened and dark brown or black skin on the neck, arms, breasts, or thighs.
Skin tags, or tiny excess flaps of skin in the armpits or neck area.
Pelvic pain
Anxiety or depression due to appearance and/or infertility.
Sleep apnea—excessive snoring and times when breathing stops while asleep.

I sent an e mail to Mr. Aiello at K-Mart suggesting that he research the Gosselins. Mr. Aiello responded in less then two hours. Below is his response.

Thank you for your thoughts.

As with Kate as well as all celebrity partnerships, we do a strong review process prior to working with them. I appreciate your thoughts and we will consider them moving forward.

Thank you,
Tom

TAIELL1@searshc.com

beachluvin said...

allisonw said...
can someone give me an example of how jon/kate have cried poor or tried to convince the public that they're struggling financially? The only thing i can think of that everybody is referring to is when she talks about buying on sale/in bulk/using coupons. That doesn't mean a family is struggling, that means a family is making their money stretch as far as possible, personally I think that's smart, not deceptive. Or are you guys referring to that fact that she's a spokesperson for kmarts layaway plan? if i had 8 kids and not a whole lot of storage i may have aken advantage of that, there's no interset charged on that right? using layaway to your advantage doesn't mean you're poor either. what am i missing?

yes i know about the college funds, but can someone give me an example of something recent, like in the last six months?

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I can't give you the timelines but one example of them crying poverty is when they take one tup out at a time. Kate says "we can only afford to take them out alone once a year", or when Kate goes on and on about how small their house is and they can't afford anything bigger. Or during gumgate she says she can't afford to buy new clothes for the tups so she spends hours upon hours on stain removal when doing laundry.

I do have to say though in the more recent episodes, they have been flaunting their new found wealth while Kate is out promoting coupon clipping which is such a contradiction to the way they spend (recently) on the show. Like the huge shopping spree for their backyard camp out or Jon spending like crazy at the Phillys game.

The bigger issue for me is that it's obvious they have money now and flaunt it on the show but how the sponsors want us to believe that the Gosselins have this new found wealth through coupon clipping and lay away plans. How stupid do they think we are?

They made the money purely on the marketability of the sextuplets as confirmed by Jon himself!!!!

Snarkygirl said...

Just A Thought said...

Point being, there is a lot of talk of what people can do. Has anyone ever considered going to a J&K speaking engagement and peacefully protesting? I am no lawyer, but I believe peaceful protests, as long as they aren't on private property, are legal (right?).

Yes, you have the constitutional right (First Amendment) to peaceful assembly...great idea.

alana said...

I'm just full of questions today! First, a comment.
I finally watched the video of Yawn in Park City; after reading a little of the transcript I didn't have the stomach to see him live, especially wearing that stupid ski hat that probably cost as much as our second car. He was so fidgety and kept moving the $300.00 hat around his head. Then he said "I'm melting";IOW,the dumb hat made him too warm. Yeah, I'll bet wild horses couldn't have dragged it off his bald head; he was so "down with" wearing that hat as proof he could "ride." What a tool/fool. Speak English, you dope! You're a grown man(?) for Pete's sake.

The interviewer asked about being "Mr. Mom". Yawn did that smirking thing with his mouth when he said "I lift weights two hours a day" and ran that sentence right into ""...and it's good 'developmental process' to have a parent home". WTF? He added - the babysitter is with the children "about six hours a day." Well, if they sleep at night for eight hours and nap for four, that's 12 hours plus six w/babysitter equals 18 hours. That leaves six hours.They go to school 3X week. How much are these two "hands on" SAH parents interacting with their children IF the children are NOT at school or being driven to/from school, for a grand total of five hours per day? ONE HOUR! ONE LOUSEY HOUR per day to be a parent to eight children! I don't understand WHY KON isn't the one playing with, reading to, teaching and loving the kids while the "babysitter-turned- gopher" runs the errands and minds the household stuff? I'd bet $1.3 million dollars the 'reason' they aren't with their children is because THEY DON'T WANT TO BE WITH THEM; they've just become sick and tired of being parents. Their new money gives Yawn and Hate the opportunity to CHOOSE NOT to be with the children, at least not during their waking hours, that is.
How does this happen to people? IMO, this is SO SAD; I wouldn't trade places with KON for anything and for many reasons, among which is that I'd be too ASHAMED.

Yawn told the interviewer while at school, the six little kids "have personality conflicts" with their classmates. PERSONALITY CONFLICTS? Again, WTF? They're four years old! Most developmental psychologists would agree that personality is formed during the first five years of life; these are crucial years. Yet the conflict and trauma of favoritism, absent parents and almost invisible older siblings will have devastating effects. They are subjected to angry parents and anxious older sisters; relatives and friends are non-existant. Pre-K is their first experience with peer relationships, yet they've had NO ONE to model this new role after. NO WONDER they "have personality conflicts" at school. Listen KON, these problems WON'T just
MAGICALLY disappear without some EFFORT on your part,see?!

About houses, old and new: Yawn told the interviewer how poor they are/used to be. He said they have/had "Low Income Housing" help and the furnace "was set at 68 degrees...". You guessed it - WTF? HOW do you qualify for Low Income Housing aid when you OWN your house and have a $25,000.00* inheritance in the bank? I won't even try to unravel this mystery but if Hate Gosselin was behind it, I believe anything was possible.
*( The purported amount that Jon's father left the 'happy' couple when he died; maybe more, maybe less.)

The reason they moved according to Yawn Gosselin: "When you have TEN people in a 3,000 sq. ft. house it's like living in a SHOE BOX..."! WHAT? A SHOE BOX?
3,000 SQUARE FEET? You have got to be joking, say so PLEEEEEEZ! That's 300 sq. ft. per person and eight of those people are children! My studio apartment (which was built 30 years ago) here in Hawaii is 650 sq. ft., including the lanai. That is considered twice as big as a studio built today. Two of us live here just fine; 300 sq. ft. per person is HUGE! Jon Gosselin has a really WARPED distorted sense of deprivation!

Mr. Cool-as-a-cucumber in the $300.00 ski hat pondered his final thought as he giggled like a fifth grade girl. He had this to offer:
"EVERYONE lives vicariously through US..."

OOOOHHHH, NOOOO THEY DON'T!!!!

God! He is just SO CREEPY. And that hat...

wramblinwreck said...

"They may not go to speaking engagements and out right say "we are poor, we are destitute" - but when they mention things like "college" it plants the seed in the viewers head that the Gosselins DO have to pay for college tuition times 8 and it plucks at heartstrings to give."

I read a post on another site from someone who had attended a Gosselin church appearance on two occasions, about a year apart. She said they said exactly the same things the second time she saw them as the first, no change at all. While they're not specifically saying, "We're poor, we need money," the fact that they are still telling the same story of their struggles when the tups were born four years ago, but not providing details about the much more prosperous life they have now (other than to say things have improved since then), leaves the impression they still have financial challenges. That's what many find to be so disingenuous. It's one thing to talk (and talk, and talk) about the circumstances around the tups' birth, but leaving out the details of their current circumstances at least gives the appearance that it's an intentional avoidance of full disclosure so the audience will be more inclined to leave a little extra for them when the collection plate comes around.

Jen K said...

Just wanted to add about the PCOS thing. I have this myself, and it exists in varying degrees. I was told I would likely have trouble having children and got pregnant on my second try, so it doesn't necessarily mean you can't get pregnant without help.

I have the oily skin, hair loss and slight weight gain. An ultrasound revealed enlarged and cystic ovaries. There are treatments that can make the symptoms go away and shrink the cysts if you have milder cases. I wonder if she bothered with treatment? In my case, I take BCP's and a drug called Spironolactone. I just had to drop the Spiro about two months before trying to conceive and of course drop the BCP's too. But the effects, or treatment lasted long enough for me to get pregnant.

Not defending Kate (can't stand her) but you can have it and have a mild case. But usually a mild case also means mild case of infertility too that should have been somewhat treatable to get pregnant naturally.

JMO.....

Nester the Long-Eared Donkey said...

"They may not go to speaking engagements and out right say "we are poor, we are destitute" - but when they mention things like "college" it plants the seed in the viewers head that the Gosselins DO have to pay for college tuition times 8 and it plucks at heartstrings to give."

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Exactly. They are very manipulative in ways that makes the sheeple believe they are in need of donations and support when nothing could be further from the truth. Kate talks about clipping coupons and buying on layaway as if she herself must do things like that herself because things are just oh so tight with such a huge family. It's BS and just a continued ploy on their part to milk their adoring sheeple for as much money as possible.

timetogokon said...

They may not go to speaking engagements and out right say "we are poor, we are destitute" - but when they mention things like "college" it plants the seed in the viewers head that the Gosselins DO have to pay for college tuition times 8 and it plucks at heartstrings to give."

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Exactly. They are very manipulative in ways that makes the sheeple believe they are in need of donations and support when nothing could be further from the truth. Kate talks about clipping coupons and buying on layaway as if she herself must do things like that herself because things are just oh so tight with such a huge family. It's BS and just a continued ploy on their part to milk their adoring sheeple for as much money as possible.

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It certainly doesn't help when every one of the people who interviewed Kate and Jon mentioned something about "being on a tight budget with 8 kids to feed" or something along those lines. Those types of comments just perpetuate the image of the poor, struggling parents that Jon and Kate have perfected.

Additionally, if you look at some of the descriptions of the episodes themselves, you will also see TLC doing its fair share in perpetuating the image of Jon and Kate struggling to make ends meet :

Soup and a Surprise:
With such a large family, Jon and Kate always plan for ways to save money and time. On this day, Kate plans to make lots of soup to freeze for the upcoming winter season, but the day doesn't quite go as she expected.

More PCOS said...

I was diagnosed with PCOS in 2002 after I stopped getting my period. That was the only symptom I had. I don't have the usual overly oily skin, facial hair, etc. I have always exercised and eaten healthy, so I am fortunate to not have weight issues. My doctor told me that there is a small group of people who have PCOS who show little to no symptoms. The doctor gave me a pill to start my period, and then I started taking birth control pills. I have had no major issues since. Lately, however, my skin has been getting a lot oilier, but it's completely manageable.

So I don't doubt that Kate may have a mild case. But I don't understand why she doesn't speak more about the issue. It's almost as if by saying, "I have PCOS," that it explains everything. When, in fact, it's very ambiguous.

Mary Ellen said...

Jen K said: Not defending Kate (can't stand her) but you can have it and have a mild case. But usually a mild case also means mild case of infertility too that should have been somewhat treatable to get pregnant naturally.
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Thanks for the info, Jen. I had been hoping someone out there with firsthand knowledge would answer this question. I, along with a lot of others here, have been wondering about this for ages. This explains a lot.

Morgan said...

If you have PCOS you know that based on some very obvious symptoms like the lack of a menstrual cycle. Most women will call their gyno if they don't get a period and know that thye are not preggo.
Does anyone else find her claim to be somewhat suspicious. Or does anyone know any women with PCOS who do not exhibit any symptoms yet cannot conceive?
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I was diagnosed with PCOS several years ago. I think the original post you're talking about was the woman who worked at a hair removal place who mentioned some symptoms she's seen?

I am overweight, but aside from that symptom, I don't have any of the others she mentioned like facial hair, thinning hair on my head, or the like. I have extremely irregular periods, though, sometimes only 7 to 9 a year.

The doctor told me I'd likely have trouble conceiving or not be able to conceive if I tried to have children, but I haven't tried (I was diagnosed when I went to a clinic for birth control and the doctor was concerned when I reported my irregular periods; she sent me to get my blood tested and lo and behold...).

From all the information the doctor gave me in pamphlets, etc., from what I understand the symptoms do not necessarily manifest in every single individual. I'm certainly no expert, so I wouldn't go as far as to doubt Kate's story that she has it. As with most medical problems, I think there is a huge variety of symptoms and a huge variety in terms of which ones manifest in which people.

I think that whether she has it or not it's not something any of us will ever or should ever know. I'm inclined to believe she does have it because that would explain why she knew so early that she would not be able to conceive (hence getting infertility treatments 3 months or so after marrying Jon and conceiving the twins). Like me, Kate could have been diagnosed with PCOS years before she was in a position to try to get pregnant.

lisak said...

Alana, I always enjoy reading your comments. They are straight to the point and so very correct. Jon sounded like a 12 year old in that interview. I would have loved to have seen Kate's face when she saw it. I bet she let him have it.

Anonymomma said...

allisonw said...
can someone give me an example of how jon/kate have cried poor or tried to convince the public that they're struggling financially? The only thing i can think of that everybody is referring to is when she talks about buying on sale/in bulk/using coupons. That doesn't mean a family is struggling, that means a family is making their money stretch as far as possible, personally I think that's smart, not deceptive. Or are you guys referring to that fact that she's a spokesperson for kmarts layaway plan? if i had 8 kids and not a whole lot of storage i may have aken advantage of that, there's no interset charged on that right? using layaway to your advantage doesn't mean you're poor either. what am i missing?

i don't agree w/ most of the decisions that kate make. Yes i believe she's exploiting those kids and it needs to stop, but it seems like the number 2 complaint is they're still crying poor when they're obviously not.

yes i know about the college funds, but can someone give me an example of something recent, like in the last six months?


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How about the whole Kmart layaway thing right before Christmas? According to KON they have to use layaway because they have so many kids, it's the only way they can afford the holiday.



As far as the PCOS thing with Kate, I will go out on a limb here and openly declare it to be bullshit. Even if she did have an infertility issue, I dare her to name one doctor who would inseminate a woman who had just been released from the hospital with hyperstimulated ovaries, especially when that woman's stance on selective reduction was known from the get go. My theory? Having a nursing license, Kate knows first hand how to go about getting treatment for fertility problems. She asks around at work and gets the name of a doctor. She goes to him and states that she is a nurse and suspects PCOS, claiming her periods are very irregular. They start her on clomid. She ends up with hyperstimulated ovaries and her doctor admits her into the hospital for it, telling her that the plans to finish the cycle are cancelled because of it, and that he will not move forward with insemination. She decides to go against the doctors advise and has sex immediately after being discharged (or possibly even while there, stranger things have happened). And voila! A multiple pregnancy.

There is an interview out there on the net by Kate's mother, Charlene Kreider, immediately after the birth of the tups. A local paper asked about the babies and about KON and her mother said "Kate always wanted twins. She got her twins and went beyond that". Very, VERY telling. IMO, it's why she doesn't speak to her parents. Google her mom and you will find the transcripts to this.

I think that the journalist investigating KON for that article needs to take a long and serious look into KON and all of this. Contact the Reproductive Science Institute www.rsiinfertility.com. It's where Kate went the second time for treatments. For reasons that are yet unclear or unfounded, she either left the first doctor (the one who helped her concieve the twins) or that one refused to treat her again. My guess is they refused. After all, if I had difficlty geting pregnant and found a doctor that I trusted, who also helped me thru my first pregnancy, I would stay with them. Wouldn't you?


And the sixgosselins.com thing? Jon created that site before the babies were born. Not a big deal typically, but it is considering that sextuplets is so high risk the odds of all of them being born in the end is against them. Maybe they aren't superstitious people. Or maybe they already had plans. They claim TLC contacted them thru their website about doing the initial one hour special. But I can't help but wonder, why them? They aren't the only family with multiple multiples. I think THEY contacted TLC.

Exhausted said...

Heard this quote once, but now it always makes me think of Kon: "Givers have to set limits because takers rarely do."

GaTech fan said...

I just watched the Jon interview. I have been fairly indifferent up till now, but now I am literally sick to my stomach. This...boy is the father of 8? he uses the word "marketable" to describe his kids, yet churches still book them?, TLC still airs them? I'm done with it all, the show, the websites. All I can say is Karma is a bitch!

LeeLee said...

anonymomma....I'll go out on that limb with you. I agree with pretty much everything you've speculated...especially with going against her doctor's advice and getting pregnant on her own (the purpose of the hospitalization is to watch for all the complications that can occur with hyperstimulated ovaries AND to make sure that pregnancy does not occur.)

I remember hearing that when Kate worked in Labor and Delivery she would care for women who were pregnant with multiples and apparently thought that the whole bedrest thing was not so bad of a deal...even though she complains now about how terrible it was. She's shown us that she's lazy and obviously loves to be pampered and waited on. JMO.

I also agree with you that the Gosselins contacted Discovery Health (and others) with their story...not the other way around. Let's remember...they're media whores.

I'm still reeling from watching that Jon interview...unbelieveable! Tool is far to kind a word to describe him. I often think maybe I like him a little better until I see him...I'm then reminded that my disdain for both he and his wife is equal.

GaTech fan said...

p.s., anyone in the northern suburbs of Atlanta, I'd encourage you to contact Roswell united methodist church and voice your displeasure in booking and promoting these crooks.

GaTech fan said...

wramblinwreck,

we are neighbors I think, contact info?

Exhausted said...

I think the theories about the pregnancy are quite interesting to read. I do know that not many right-thinking people who were using any sort of fertility drugs would proceed during ovulation if they saw multiple follicles or had over-stimulated ovaries... especially if they just wanted to try "for just one more"!

The other puzzling thing in Kate's past is the whole almost-adoption episode before the tups were born. In her book, Kate says that the mother of this woman in labor just happened to ask Kate if perhaps she would be interested in adopting the baby. I find that to be ludicrous that someone would just, out of the blue, ask if you wanted to adopt their grandchild if you did not give any sort of prompting. Was this woman walking up to all the nurses and strangers in the halls and asking them this same question? I think Kate selfishly suggested this and led this woman on because she thought it would be cool at the moment, but then dashed down her hopes a few days later when she had cooled down. Only a truly selfish person would lead someone on that way. But it's not about others, it's all about what Kate wants at the time, and when she feels a spontaneous urge or thought (like love-tapping Jon or laying Jodi out in lavender or screaming in a store), why should she suppress it?

Exhausted said...

Alana said "I'd bet $1.3 million dollars the 'reason' they aren't with their children is because THEY DON'T WANT TO BE WITH THEM; they've just become sick and tired of being parents. Their new money gives Yawn and Hate the opportunity to CHOOSE NOT to be with the children, at least not during their waking hours, that is."

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I think you are quite right. Plugs and Tummy Tuck think they are celebrities now, and that is how a good portion of celebrities raise their children. Angelina and Brad, who claim to be super-parents, no doubt have days or weeks (I hope not months) where they don't even see their children because of shooting or because of a premier, etc. There are inevitably times where they (B&A) are in a different state or continent than their kids are in. I'm not just picking on them, but it's the famous-person way. The day-to-day boring, normal stuff is left to someone else, and the kids are left to suffer.

Kon probably even think they are doing better raising their children other famous people, and probably pat themselves on the back for being so dedicated. It's sad. I don't agree that J or K necessarily needs a 9-5 job (why should you if you can find other options?), but I do think they need jobs where they can be home more and get some perspective about what real life means.

As Sherri Lewis (of Lamb Chop fame) said, children don't want any toys. They just want your time. Mady and Cara and the tups need much more of that, and you can't expect some hired teenager who watches the clock to accomplish the same things that a real parent who so wanted eight children should.

Thinking hard... said...

How do you teach children that there are people less fortunate than they are, or that all people are valued, when they are given special opportunities? For example, how do the Gosselin kids appreciate a ball game if you meet the president, see it in a box, get sway, run the bases, etc? How do they realize that is special and unique?

When my son was 7 he had a chance to ride a float with the winning college football team, and got an autographed ball. He was too young to realize how amazing this was and how many people would trade places with him. Can you imagine being the Gosselin children and having this be your everyday experience?

LeeLee said...

True...the Gosselin kids not only have a distorted view of the world because they have Jon and Kate for parents, they will never have the chance to experience what it's really like to just be a kid. Sad.

MsPeabody said...

jon and kate are cons said...
Is it true that K-Mart is considering bringing Kate back as a spokesperson? Please, someone tell me that K-Mart can't be that dumb


I didn't even know K-Mart dropped Kate to begin with. You mean she was recently dropped as their spokesperson but they may now bring her back?

BostonBean said...

I think Concerned Wife is spot on.
I thought the exact same thing about Jon spending time at his condo. It won't be long before he make his own friends out there and it's already obvious that being around Kate is burdonsome for him.

BostonBean said...

Exhausted brought up a good point.
Although we are rarely privy to how celebrity kids are raised in their own homes, I remember Elijah Blue (Cher's son) talking about his childhood and his relationship to his half sister, Chastity Bono.
I remember feeling sad that he mentioned that at age 8 he was sent away to boarding school and that's where he lived while his famous mother was off doing shows. He liked his sister, but she also was sent away and they were not together much. Imagine growing up without your mother because she has to be on stage. Now she is old and supposedly retired and I wonder if her absence from her kids was worth it to her?

BostonBean said...

What I see happening is that the sextuplets were an unusual and noteworthy happening. People were interested, then also wanted to pitch in when they say this young family trying to cope. Now, Kate seems to think that she can successfully transfer the celebrity status over to herself. She seems to think that if she is a spokesperson and out there in the limelight, she will hold people's interest just because she is Kate. Actually, she is lacking in talent, wisdom, or any other reason that people would be willing to watch her and listen and learn from her. She is an empty vessel. She is not interesting and has nothing to share with us.
She also reminds me of how Casey Anthony wants to be known as "the victim". The way some minds work is just bizarre.

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About the dogs... said...

I just watched the interview of Jon in Utah and something caught my attention. He made reference to the Amish communities in Pennsylvania who facilitate his ability to buy food organically. This comment hit a nerve because we adopted a small dog who was rescued from an atrocious puppy mill run by the Amish in our province. It wasn't until we further researched puppy mills did we realize the extent of the cruelty. I know the focus of this website is the children, and I take tremendous issue with the exploitive nature of the show, but I also wanted to bring attention to the plight of puppy mill victims. I also hope Jon and Kate did their research and didn't acquire their new dogs directly from one of these puppy mills.

momof9 said...

LeeLee and Anonymomma...

I am in no way a supporter of this show, but I might have to dispel the rumor that Kate contacted TLC. About 6 months before the first hour-long special aired, TLC was actively looking for several families of multiples. At that time, I had 7 children- including 2 sets of twins. Since then, we have grown to a family of 11, with 3 sets of twins all naturally conceived. I had been casually writing a "Day in the Life" blog (too busy now!), which is how TLC found me. After several phone conversations, our family decided we did not want to participate. I did hear (through blogs and message boards) that a few other moms had been approached. I'm sure Kate was one of them, and graciously accepted the offer.

I don't know what her intentions were, but for my family we considered the offer because we were so desperate for money. After much prayer and family discussion, we decided to keep our happy, private lives. God has provided for my family. I think Kate Gosselin is sorely confused. When she speaks of God's provisions, she is not speaking of her healthy family but of material possessions and travels. I honestly think she is in over her head and would like to stop the show, but is truly afraid. Could you imagine if you had never had to parent on your own? If there were always abundant helpers? I would imagine it's like the feeling of being on your own for the first time with a newborn- so scary! Imagine that multiplied by 8 children that have no respect for you as a parent. She's scared.

Claire said...

I just had a thought come across my mind. I honestly think one of the reasons why this show is still on the air is because of sites like this one. (Don't get me wrong I LOVE this blog)If it wasn't talked about so passionately I think people would have gotten bored with it by now and stopped watching. The product placement seems to keep rising as the seasons go by. Most people I know never seen (or heard) the show until season 3 when the controversy exploded. Now i personally know and talk about the show with my "book club" ( mostly just chat and drink wine LOL we have 15 people on a weekly bases only 3 don't watch)

Anyway what im trying to say is this show would not be on right now if it was not talked about so much. The media eats this stuff up because they know that they will get a huge response if they post anything J&K related.(comments, hits on their site, letters, phone calls ect...) In the mean while great shows like Journeyman, Reunion, and a million other show I really got into gets canceled because no one knows about it.

Anyone else see it this way?

Get a clue said...

No, I don't see it that way. I think the show picked up viewers because there wasn't much on TV because of the writers' strike last spring. It's still on because enough Nielsen families and counted DVR families watch to keep it in the top two or three of the IMO exploitative trash that TLC now thinks of as "learning." My stomach turned when I saw the new shows for TLC. Toddler beauty pageants and some other show about children. At least the morbidly obese that they feature are almost all adults and should be capable of deciding if they want to be exposed to the world.

Blogs, websites, and non-counted viewers do not contribute to the ratings and that is what the advertisers check to see how much time they will buy on a network and when. If a show falls below the paying for itself in advertising threshold, it is gone even if a thousand blogs talk about it.

Anonymomma said...

Momof9,

Thank you. I just wouldn't believe KON about being approached because no one else ever came forward and said they were too, and it isn't like they are the only multiple multiples family out there. And before I say anything else I want to add that IMO, your family already seems ten times more intersting to me than the Gosselins!

I think you hit the nail on the head about Kate being too afraid to end it. Someone, albeit physically or financially, always carried them. Sooner or later, that production crew will be gone, and they will have to do it on their own for the first time.

cheryl said...

You figure:
A million dollar Utah condo, a million dollar PA kompound, probably a million dollar NC beach house - let's rethink the income.
From a Roloff post about a yr ago,
got the $65,000 per epi figure.
On their sixth season, two per calendar yr, plus weekend engagements and the $20 pictures.
They are rolling in some big bucks. Doubt if the kids have two dimes to rub together.
Yrs ago, I had to set up special accounts when my kids inherited from Grandpa - this was in Florida.
According to the Gospel of Kate -
they're right and the world is wrong.

RuthinVA said...

Talking about TLC and the new children's beauty pageant show. Have you seen that pose the little girl holds as she is looking at herself the mirror and says "I look gooood."
Talk about exploitation and the start of many self esteem issues.

wramblinwreck said...

"this show would not be on right now if it was not talked about so much. The media eats this stuff up because they know that they will get a huge response if they post anything J&K related."

I disagree. While this show may be near the top of TLC's line-up, in the grand scheme of things, TLC is just a small-time cable network specializing in freak shows. The major media certainly isn't following TLC's programming so they can do lead stories about them to get a "huge response".

I don't know anyone in my everyday life who watches this show. Frankly, I don't admit that I ever watched anything on TLC, except WNTW, to anyone I know, I'd never hear the end of it! So I really appreciate this site, and TWoP, where I can discuss some of the horrendously horrendous shows on this network with like-minded viewers.

hope for the Eagles said...

"He made reference to the Amish communities in Pennsylvania who facilitate his ability to buy food organically."


This quote really struck a nerve with me. I live in the midst of several Amish farms and whatever they use when they are spreading the fields sure doesn't smell like anything organic. Believe me! organic - believe me

momtomany said...

" Claire said...
I just had a thought come across my mind. I honestly think one of the reasons why this show is still on the air is because of sites like this one. (Don't get me wrong I LOVE this blog)If it wasn't talked about so passionately I think people would have gotten bored with it by now and stopped watching. The product placement seems to keep rising as the seasons go by. Most people I know never seen (or heard) the show until season 3 when the controversy exploded"

I know my adult children agree with you, Clare. They insist that my taking part in this blog helps to keep the Gosselins on the air. I don't watch the show but do read this blog several times a week so maybe you are onto something.

AllisonSarah7 said...

GATechfan said:
p.s., anyone in the northern suburbs of Atlanta, I'd encourage you to contact Roswell united methodist church and voice your displeasure in booking and promoting these crooks.

i live in the northern suburbs of Atlanta!! i think i might just do that...

soclwrkrsays said...

Anonymama said...
Even if she did have an infertility issue, I dare her to name one doctor who would inseminate a woman who had just been released from the hospital with hyperstimulated ovaries, especially when that woman's stance on selective reduction was known from the get go.
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This is something I have always wondered about. I have been thru infertility tx, and IUI and my docs always said no way they'd finish a cycle with more than two follicles...not that I wanted them to. Also, hyperstimulation that results in hospitalization is very serious and that alone would cancel your cycle for most doctors..
Something just doesn't add up with her story.

Annie said...

Figure 8 Films: Stories with compassion

But by far the most popular story they tell has been that of the Gosselins, a Pennsylvania family with twins and sextuplets. The fascination surrounding the family spawned a top-rated cable series called "Jon & Kate + 8," which follows the daily life of the family as it goes through the struggles and joys of having eight children.

"You've got to remember at least one of your characters," Hayes said. "You can't believe some of the things Kate says, but she pops - and that's the key ingredient in making a successful television show."
With 40 more episodes of "Jon & Kate" under contract, some critics fear the show might exploit the young children who are prominently featured in the series.

If you are interested in knowing more, read the article.

http://www.dailytarheel.com/2.3570/1.154970

BAC said...

BostonBean said:
She also reminds me of how Casey Anthony wants to be known as "the victim". The way some minds work is just bizarre.

Yes, and people are sending money to Casey Anthony just like they do to KON! There is a world full of nutty people!

DawnedOnMe said...

I was watching the 1st episode of “Twins, and Sextuplets” this week, and noticed a few interesting things. In one segment, Jon is making coffee for Kate, and he explains how she likes more sugar and cream than coffee in the mug. The camera catches a glimpse of an instruction sheet that explains how Kate likes her coffee. Then, in another segment, there’s camera shot of another list that starts out w/ “Lunch Giver:” and it has instructions regarding the children’s lunch. In yet another segment, there’s a shot of a diagram of the cribs in the tups room, with name labels of which child goes in which crib. There’s also additional information such as which children get a “paci” (a big “Paci” label with an arrow pointing to the crib of that child).

When I first watched this show years ago, it surprised me that a wife would leave her husband instructions for how to make her coffee (if you make it every day for her, wouldn’t you know how much sugar and cream she likes?). However, I wrote it off as Kate being compulsively controlling because as the camera was all these written instructions, the voice over was discussing Kate’s compulsive organization.

The first time I watched the show, I didn’t notice the “Lunch Giver:” note, but I did see the diagram of the cribs and which child goes in which crib. Again, when I watched the first show, I thought that was strange. You’d think that two parents of six small children would remember which child goes in which crib and which child likes a pacifier versus a blanket versus a stuff toy, etc. Yes, six babies are a lot, but still…. Especially when you think that at the buffet w/ the (was it the Brown family?) other family of multiples, Kate was rattling off to Jon which child likes which salad items in their salad. So, if she can remember whether Alexis likes radishes or hates cucumbers, you’d think she’d remember where to put each child in their crib. Either that, or Jon is clueless and can’t remember.

This week, when I watched the show, it hit me. All those messages were not necessarily for Jon, but for the helpers who helped with the children. Why else would someone need instructions on which child goes in which crib? Why else would there be a note titled “Lunch Giver”? Seriously, even if you had to leave a note like that for your spouse, would you title it, “Lunch Giver”? When you need to remind your spouse or significant other to pick up more milk at the store, do you leave a note titled “Supermarket Shopper:” or “Sweet Cheeks”?? This would also mean that whatever helpers they had probably were making coffee for Kate in the morning before she woke up. (Isn’t that nice?).

This means that that whole first show, with the daily timeline of what Kate does all day and how she handles the 8 kids while Jon was at work for 10 to 12 hours, might have not been all true. If you remember, she “can’t get up before 8”. She comes downstairs, starts breakfast and sends the twins to entertain the (then) 16 month old tups. She diapers them and brings them downstairs for breakfast and it’s now around 8:30. She can start breakfast, and diaper (those messy overnight diapers) 6 kids in less than 30 minutes? Okay, whatever. Then after breakfast, she dresses them and plays w/ them, makes lunch, feeds them and they go down for their nap from 12:30 to 4:30. And, so on. Nothing was said about who helped the twins get up and get ready given that they were only 5 at the time.

Glenda said...

Does Mady and Cara PLUS the 6 all take naps or just the 6? I always wonder if these kids will still be taking naps till they are 18. Plus what in the world is Monday's show about? What we always wanted to know? Haven't they covered that already or will this finally be the episode where they tell us how they can afford their million dollar home? I think it's another PR show for them. I have an idea for a show Jon and Kate plus 8: Mady and Cara tell all. For a whole hour let them talk freely about what happens in their life without Kate and Jon around. Now THAT would be great television!

bcd5 said...

I read in an earlier comment that referred to Jon saying the family was "marketable" in his Utah interview. That really struck a nerve with me; what parent says that their children are marketable?! Cute, loving, sweet, high-strung, all of these things I've heard used to describe one's children, but never marketable. This is just another on the long list of examples that prove Jon and Kate Gosselin are in it just for themselves, not for the good of their children. Farmers and ranchers refer to their livestock as marketable, toymakers refer to their toys as marketable, but it's just not a word that anyone with a heart would use to describe any children, much less their own! It's just crazy. As a "by the way," I was at our local mall last night and went in a large/national chain type bookstore. "Multiple Blessings" was shelved with other books in the FANTASY/SCIENCE FICTION section!!! How true...

marypoppins said...

I read in an earlier comment that referred to Jon saying the family was "marketable" in his Utah interview.





A father should never say this.
Was Jon just repeating a phrase he heard from TLC producers, PR or sponsers.

Mochi said...

The Kate

8 oz 'organic' cha-ching sour cherry juicy juice (sponsored by juicy juice)
2 shots of bitters

Shake vigorously while yelling.
Drink with one hand out.

The Jon

2 oz Bailey's Irish creme
2 oz soju
1 splash molasses

Don't think about it too much.
Just drink it.

Tami said...

That's right, Kmart, put yet another nail in your coffin...

Kelly8 said...

Quick question...it seems that several people lately have mentioned watching "Surviving Sextuplets and Twins", J & K's first special. I've actually never seen it. Knowing what I do know about these folks, I'd like to see it. Does it come on TLC? How can I find out when? Is there somewhere I can find it online? Thanks!

Marie-France said...

Mochi said...
The Kate
8 oz 'organic' cha-ching sour cherry juicy juice (sponsored by juicy juice)
2 shots of bitters
Shake vigorously while yelling.
Drink with one hand out.

The Jon
2 oz Bailey's Irish creme
2 oz soju
1 splash molasses
Don't think about it too much.
Just drink it.
____________
Don't you have a recipe for The KON? LOL!!

Crew as Family? said...

Just a thought...
As much as I love watching the kids and reading the blogs, I do think the show should be canceled. The kids' lives are certainly more important than my entertainment.

However, with all the talk about friends, "helpers", and family members "disappearing" from the show (and most likely from the kids' lives)...it makes me wonder what will happen when the crew "disappears" too.

I'm not sure what kind of relationship the Gosselin kids have with the crew, but, we know that a lot of the crew members have been there from the beginning.

I just wonder how close the kids are to the crew members, how much "parenting" the crew has done, etc... With the crew around, the kids definitely have more adult "role models" than just Jon and Kate. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is debatable...

Four said...

Dawnedonme said:

(a bunch of pertinent stuff)

This means that that whole first show, with the daily timeline of what Kate does all day and how she handles the 8 kids while Jon was at work for 10 to 12 hours, might have not been all true.

______________________________________

BINGO! That was my biggest "huh?" at the time. The show portrayed and left the impression that Kate did it ALL and ALL by herself. yet I can remember thinking "you leave the babies in their cribs till after 8?" and "you play with them and then leave them ALONE in the basement while you go make lunch?"

Bless your eagle eyes! "Lunch Giver?" Crib diagrams? Who gets what lovey? What the heck was Kate doing?

Some can say it's a minor point. I say it's just plain shady. Yeah, the whole basis of their little empire is the reliance on the gullibility of John Q Public.

DawnedOnMe said...

This means the next time they air the 1st show, all these ‘clues’ will be blurred out.

Tangerine Tanya said...

Kate's Famous (organic)
Money Munch

1.One Asian dude
2.A set of twins
3.A strong dose of fertility drugs
4.Let rise a few months
5.Add a few crocodile tears
6.Add a plea to T.L.C
7.Pour the liquid gold over
the Gosselin family
8.If any un-wanted lumps appear
like Aunt Jodi,Grandma/Grandpa
Beth or any used up helpers
simply get a ladle and scoop
them out.
9.Add 17 buckets of greed
10. One big sack of lies
11.Omit TRUTH LOVE AND COMPASSION

Dont share this money munch
with anyone

Gobble it up as fast as you can
After all there is a experation
date.

Exhausted said...

I think DawnedonMe makes excellent points, even with the instructions for someone to make Kate coffee! I don't think any of us can even fathom how nervy or entitled Kate is. When normal people are asked if they need anything out of mere courtesy, most just say, "No thanks. We're good." I think Kate has always been the type able to think of a whole laundry list when someone asks that. And then she thinks that person is locked into those chores for the rest of their existence! Beverly had to move south, it seems, just to get out of folding all those clothes every week. It's like if a neighbor one time snow blows your sidewalk to be nice and you'd then have the nerve to think that this person was lined up to do it for every subsequent snowstorm (and you never bothered to say thank you).

She really believed that she had the toughest job birthing that litter and that her work was done after that. I still can't believe that she says in her book about helpers coming in her room overnight while she slept to tend to the kids. Really? I understand it might be hard to give six night bottles at a time and that parents might need help, but for a parent of newborns to think she can sleep through this every night is absurd. How many of us who have had newborns can say they got to sleep through the night? It's supposed to be more difficult with multiples, not easier. No wonder she wasn't afraid of seeing so many follicles (I think there were 3 or 4?). She knew she wasn't going to be doing much.

I also think we'll never know how hard Mady and Cara had it during that pregnancy and every minute after that. She even admits that by the time she was just 7 weeks or so, she was on the couch all the time. They were lucky enough to get to play waitress and bring her things. Yippee!

blh said...

I found this article while searching the web for articles about Jon and Kate its about a family named John and Nancy Gosselin who opened an ice cream shop in Michigan and really wanted to share it with everyone...oh and this family has 10 children and sometimes are compare them to Jon and Kate. What I really liked was the comment by John Gosselin "They're allowed to work only if they want to or if they've done well, and that makes them want to help, which is the best part of it." referring to the older children helping out at the store.

The very next line in the article stated...John and Nancy Gosselin, who grew up in Roseville in Macomb County, do require good grades before letting one of their children work at the store.

"A job, to me, is something that's very important, but school is more important," John Gosselin said.

Now there's a family of Gosselin's that gets it.

This is the link to the article:

http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2009/01/big_family_small_business_fami.html


Lynn

Dog Lover said...

About the dogs...
Mark my words if TLC films the dogs in any compromising situation, getting hurt because one of the sextuplets is pulling its tail or sitting on it, the ASPCA will be all over them like flies. Funny we have seen the kids in compromising situations so many, many times and no one jumps to their attention. But you watch with the dogs.... it is a sad society that we live in.

lisak said...

These people have been asking for handouts even before the babies were born. They have had years to perfect their craft of asking for money.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://sixgosselins.com

Exhausted said...

Tangerine Tanya, that's too funny!

alana said...

Dear lisak,

Thanks so much - that means a lot!

alana

jon and kate are cons said...

Dog Lover,

Right you are. The Humane Society will not put up with ANY kind of abuse of those dogs. I think that Jon and Kate should have waited till the kids were older to have dogs. You know that if either of the dogs bite any of the kids, Kate will have a fit. I'm sure that Jon will be the one taking care of the dogs. I'm also sure that the dogs will be outside dogs.
After all, dogs can't take their shoes off when they go inside.

Dad of 3 said...

Wow!!!! check out the link above from lisak..... I am new to this show and have been indifferent and wondered if the Gosselins were just being misread or misunderstood, but that link says it all, pages and pages of begging (they even sell items that were given to them!!!!) they specifically ask for cash donations and target gift cards!!!! among tons of other stuff!!!! I am stunned, how can the churches still support them? These churches should get this link and keep in mind of the new million dollar purchases they have made and the claims of poverty they are making now of their begininngs. Wow, I am stunned!!!!!

LawSuitCity said...

If I donated anything to those two KON artists, ever, I'd be in the market for a good attorney right about now. I smell a class action coming...

Does anyone remember this? said...

A question for all:

Does anyone remember an old episode where they took the twins to a modeling or acting agency? I believe it was an episode where they showed "cutting room footage"..

If I remember correctly, the agent asked the girls if they wanted to be actors and be on TV and they both said NO! yet here they are...

Does anyone remember that or am I dreaming? I just wanted to point out... I wonder if the twins have protested more than just the sly Mady remarks...

Just a thought.

livin said...

"I live in the midst of several Amish farms and whatever they use when they are spreading the fields sure doesn't smell like anything organic. Believe me! "

You smell manure. Organic means they don't use chemicals. They all use manure!

Car Seat Kate said...

In PA, for years and years now (since at least 1996 that I know of) hospitals give a brand new, free, Graco infant car seat to new mothers upon discharge with a new baby. It's part of a child safety initiative to make sure every child is buckled up properly. These are really nice car seats, some have canopies, but all have the carrying handle. They are unisex colors and patterns too. So the fact that KON put in a prayer request for 6 brand new infant car seats on their website is absolute proof of their greed. Kate was well aware of the free car seat program if she was a nurse in any PA maternity ward.

Dad of 3 said...

Thats it, I'm setting up a website tonight, with pics of my family of 5, slap a few prayers on it. then ask for stuff. I'm even going to ask for cash. Hey, it worked for these Kon artists!

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://sixgosselins.com

oh wait, my wife and I have good jobs and work hard, oh and we have integrity and pride and I dont want to deal with the IRS in a few years and I want to be able to look at myself in the mirror and, oh yea, I want my kids to learn about working hard and saving.

Anonymomma said...

According to the logs from sixgosselins.com, their 'prayer list' consists of basically 6 of everything. If Mady and Cara were barely 3 years old at the time, and they knew they would be having more kids, why 6 of everything? Why not 4? Beggers can't be choosers, yet they specifically list 'new'?

Also, and this is a pet peeve of mine in general. They knew those babies were coming, but by the looks of that 'prayer list' they did nothing in terms of preparations. No baby shower? No shopping for baby items of any sort? If they were that bad off financially even before the sextuplets were born, that speaks volumes about the whole theory of them planning for multiples for the 'marketability' now doesn't it? If they couldn't make ends meet with two kids, then what was the reasoning behind even having 'just one more"? Where did they even come up with the money for fertility treatments?

Laughter and Gosselins said...

Dad of 3's comment made me laugh and piqued my curiosity enough to check out the Gosselin's website. It's been a while since I looked at it and what really struck me as hilarious is that their section called "laughter" is still "under construction." How ironic. Okay ... I guess it's a little sad that the Gosselins are still trying to figure out how to fill in their "laughter" section but based on what is shown on Jon and Kate Plus 8 (even the name of the show is starting to sound inane), they might have an easier time filling in a "saracasm" section, or "belittling section" or "demeaning and destroying our children's self esteem section."

Of course, it is unlikely that Jon or Kate is responsible for the content on their website. So why is it so hard for the hired help to figure out what goes under "laughter." Maybe those poor folks are watching the same show we see.

I hope that "under construction" means that the Gosselin house of cards is getting ready to collapse and soon the kids will be living a life away from cameras.

Perhaps Jon and Kate can get some of their die hard religious fans to volunteer as website advisors and write up what makes them laugh about the mistreatment of the Gosselin children.

Anonymomma said...

...and why request a 15 passenger van if there are 10 of them?

jon and kate are cons said...

I do find it very odd that NO ONE gave Kate a baby shower when she was expecting the tups. If someone had given her a shower, she would have had six of everything new. I guess because no one likes Kate, there was no shower. Perhaps people knew what Kate was up to long before we did.

jon and kate are cons said...

Dad of 3,

I see that you have posted on another site.
Let me warn you about going to the "other site" to post. They will chew you up one side and down the other. I have tried posting there several times, and my comments are never posted. I have made comments that are not mean, just truthful. Those people over there will argue with you, even if you are right. Don't waste your time and energy.

kate is a cocky bitch said...

I just looked at the web archives from KON's site. It made me gag. From the very beginning these 2 had their hands out!!

mochi said...

You are cordially invited to attend.

The Kon

Bring:
Eight Bottles of Top Shelf Alcohol.
Two paper cups of tap water.

Watch your guests walk off with the alcohol.
Raise a glass of tap water.

Shell76 said...

"Mr. Cool-as-a-cucumber in the $300.00 ski hat pondered his final thought as he giggled like a fifth grade girl. He had this to offer:
"EVERYONE lives vicariously through US..."


Ooh, snap at the sheeple! Wow, Mr. Psychology! I've known this for a long time, looks like Jon's just caught on. Saying it out loud doesn't show a whole lot of tact on his part. This show about cute babies attracts young women the same way boy bands attract hormonal tweenagers. And not EVERYONE lives vicariously through your family. My husband and I are the same age as KON with no kids yet...not sure what we'll do as we're living on one income right now. There are a dozen things I'd rather do than watch them glamorize dangerous HOM births and all the perks that come with birthing children you cannot afford. I have no admiration for that, sorry, Jon.

"I read in an earlier comment that referred to Jon saying the family was "marketable" in his Utah interview. That really struck a nerve with me; what parent says that their children are marketable?!

That is a sick statement to hear from a father. You should be PARENTING your kids, not marketing them. I watched "The Devil's Advocate" last night for the first time....I'm not so sure God is the entity that is guiding these two creeps.

Lurker said...

What's up with this comment on their old website (from 2005):

"The girls of course talk more than the boys."

Were the boys "stupid" and "icky" even back then?

Sheesh.

speechless said...

Oh my goodness... I cannot believe the greed of this family, from the very beginning!

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://sixgosselins.com

Thank you lisak for posting this!!!

I was under the impression that the publicity from the tv show had somehow morphed them into the greedy, corrupt people that they now are; but it was apparent from the start! Just take a look in the "How can I help" section. It is disgusting! How anyone can defend their greedy selfish ways, after seeing these archives, has to be running on less than a brain cell.

Kerri said...

So, if she can remember whether Alexis likes radishes or hates cucumbers, you’d think she’d remember where to put each child in their crib. Either that, or Jon is clueless and can’t remember.

Not defending KON, but they used that system for the helpers, so they knew. I only write this because I saw the show a few times and that was specified.

Dad of 3, what were your responses from the other site?

2 cutiez mom in S.E. PA said...

Anon. 8:53 p.m. said: ....and why request a 15 passenger van if there are 10 of them? 5 reasons: 1. They're GREEDY! 2. They're GREEDY! 3. She wants more kids. (IMO) 4. They're GREEDY! 5. They're GREEDY! Did I mention they're GREEDY?

Lisa said...

"In PA, for years and years now (since at least 1996 that I know of) hospitals give a brand new, free, Graco infant car seat to new mothers upon discharge with a new baby. It's part of a child safety initiative to make sure every child is buckled up properly"


I live near PA, my in laws live in PA and so do many of my husband's childhood friends. I have a niece that was born in a hospital in central PA, my brother in law and sister in law were NOT given a new carseat. My husband's best frend from high school and his wife live in the Reading area (near J&K's old house); they gave birth to 2 daughters in PA and did not receive carseats. All of these kids were born after 1996 BTW.

I'm not a Kate fan and don't want to be accused of being one but I think when you're pregnant with 6 babies you know that things can go wrong. She was on hospital bedrest for the last several months of her pregnancy too. My point is that maybe when you're having 6 babies, you don't go out and buy the "stuff" for 6 babies until you know that you're actually bringing 6 babies home. A lot of things can happen, know what I mean? Plus they knew that they'd be faced with weeks, if not months, of NICU time so they had time to collect the baby accessories that they needed. I don't condone the whole "everything has to be new and matching" thing, beggars can't be choosers for most people.

sheepbacon said...

FREE THE GOSSELIN 8!!

What should be displayed on signs outside their next "inspirational talk"

pinkdiamond611 said...

You would think that since Yawn is an IT person afterall, their website would be a little more high-tech. It seems that they used one of those free templates that comes with the computer to make that website. It is very amateurish-looking. Maybe they should ask one of those teeny-boppers who post the Youtube videos to volunteer to be webmaster. lol

nc resident said...

No shopping for baby items of any sort? If they were that bad off financially even before the sextuplets were born, that speaks volumes about the whole theory of them planning for multiples for the 'marketability' now doesn't it?

Kate details that Jon was fired from his job when she was expecting the 6 little ones, in her book. They did not have any income and J&Ks home church was helping them 100% according to quotes in the paper by Jon. That leaves two basic reasons they did not buy ahead.
1.) They could not afford it.
2.) The chirch had promised to help them.

Now saying that opens a whole can of questions about donated items, consigned items, TV special.

nc resident said...

Mirian said:

To Jon and Kate Gosselin: Good luck with the family, hope you haven't screwed them up to the point where they are going to need therapists.

If the past is any prelude to future history we might then expect to see Kate saying something along the following lines: Fertility treatments helped me have sextuplets. Then TLC and Figure 8 marketed our family because society wanted to see our daily lives. Therefore, yeah you guessed it, society owes us treatment for our kids.

I honestly hope they all come out safe and sound but we will see.

Kenzie said...

I just finished reading Muliple Blessings (I didn't waste my hard earned money on it, I borrowed it from the library). Anyway, I feel so SAD for those kids. It is apparent in the book that up until the tups were born, it appeared that Kate's family was extremely close the them. The book talks about how Cara and Mady stayed with kate's parent's lots while she was in the hospital once jon finally got a job...and that even jon spent many nights at kate's parents house. It also says that kate's mom visited her for at least an hour on most days, and that her 2 sisters were also there a lot and helped out a lot with the twins and the tups once they were home. The thing that really gets me, is that in that interview that jon gave in Utah, he made it seem as though Kate's family has never, ever been involved with any of their kids. Jonny boy- you might want to read your own book before opening your mouth as to why your extended family is no where in sight. I can't even imagine what kate (and jon)'s family must be going through, not being able to be a part of these beautiful children

no breathing allowed said...

"In PA, for years and years now (since at least 1996 that I know of) hospitals give a brand new, free, Graco infant car seat to new mothers upon discharge with a new baby. It's part of a child safety initiative to make sure every child is buckled up properly"

I live in PA and had a baby in 1996, I didn't get a new carseat either. I don't know anyone who did. When I had my first in '93 I remember the nurses asking if we had one, if not the hospital would lend you one for a month.

As far as the KONs konning PA from before the tups were born, it's true. They gave interviews with the newspaper in their hometown and the Harrisburg paper, crying poverty and dropping major hints about what they wanted at the moment. They came off so bad people wrote letters to the editor in droves. Then KON would whine that they were misquoted and have their statements retracted.

These grifters knew EXACTLY what they were doing from the get-go..... the splendor they are living in now was always the goal.

nc resident said...

I can't even imagine what Kate (and Jon)'s family must be going through, not being able to be a part of these beautiful children

Kates' father is a minister as last I saw at the same church that helped them out. We have not heard one word from these people about this situation, and very little from her brothers and sisters. With any story there are clearly two sides, we have only heard one side of the issue on the estrangement. However based on Jons' quote I could not help feeling this was a slap in the face for all they did for them, and if this is his attitude then maybe much more of the blame lies on J&K in this matter.

dad of 3 said...

kerri,

No brutal backlash from the other site. Even a nice comment. Hopefully I provoked at least one person to at least consider the facts. The heavy burden of truth has a way of taking the fight out of even the gamest defender.

mochi said...

Another thing that bothers me about Jon & Kate is that the kids are taught that vacations and treats are the things worth remembering from childhood. The bonds with people don't matter.

An example is the vow renewal ceremony, where the majority of Kate's comments about Jon's family were to point out how grateful and cute they were. They were treated as props or groupies, instead of family.

AUNTY K.K. said...

Point being, there is a lot of talk of what people can do. Has anyone ever considered going to a J&K speaking engagement and peacefully protesting? I am no lawyer, but I believe peaceful protests, as long as they aren't on private property, are legal (right?).



You know,,,,IF I lived anywhere near these 'speaking engagements'..believe me,...I'd be there,,,,quiet and timid to begin with .....then, once it was quiet...I'd be LOUD and say my 'peace' until I was escorted out...It would be 'brief and to the point".

THen, I hear they are only answering questions that are 'written down'..so I'd be in the 'congregation' and when there was a 'brief moment' of quietness, stand up..and yell--"Tell the truth about your finances and your family"..along with other comments, until,again, someone escorted me out....that certainly would 'stir up things'......

So, why aren't more people, who want to protect the children, who live near these 'engagements', speaking up in their 'talks'...are they afraid of what 'others' might think?

I give one note to that: it's better to 'speak' up and let the truth be known, then to let these children's lives be affected anymore...especially emotionally..

Then I also have 2 questions:
1. Did they buy a condo in N.C. as well?
2. I didn't hear the part, in Jon's interview, where he said the 'tups' were having 'difficulty with others' in the school...Is this true? (If it is..I could see why...They've been used to the following: always being FIRST, always getting the BEST, always getting 'Catered; MEALS, always being allowed to HIT others, etc..etc..)

pleasepost said...

Here is a blind from the website blindgossip. This particular blind sounds a lot like Jon and Kate plus eight. I think that they are pretending to be a couple, but we all know that they cannot stand each other. They are are in this for the money. I think the Think Bigger clue is that they have a large family. Here is the blind:


Reality Couple Not Really a Couple
CDAN - Well, well, well what do we have here? This reality show couple who basically makes a living being a couple is not really the couple they pretend to be. It seems that not only do the couple not sleep together, most of the time they do not even sleep in under the same roof. Can’t stand each other, but suffer through pretending for the sake of the money. Not who you are thinking. Think bigger.

Car Seat Kate said...

I had my first baby in 1996, about twenty minutes north of Reading. I received a free car seat. In 1997, I had twins, who were discharged from one of the states larger medical facilities. We were given the option to rent two car seats from them but we had seats already. And a year ago, when my last child was born, again twenty minutes north of reading, I was offered a free car seat from the hospital, brand new. I told the nurse I had one already but she told me to sign the paperwork for it and take is as an extra for our other vehicle.

I can't explain why some people haven't received them, but in PA, they do give them out. Maybe some hospitals only do it on an as needed basis? Like, if the staff sees the parents don't already have one, or maybe first time parents? I'm not quite sure. All I know is, I live very close to KON, and was always offered a free, brand new seat.

One more thing. When my twins were being discharged from the NICU, they underwent a preemie car seat test (i forget the medical term for it). Basically, about a day or two before going home they place the baby in a car seat for two hours. The baby is monitored for heart rate and breathing because a lot of preemies can't handle sitting in the upright position that typical car seats position them in. So the test is to make sure they would be able to use a car seat as opposed to a car bed. In the event that the baby needs a car bed, the hospital (the one we were at in Danville), rents out car beds. At a fee of a 25.00 deposit each, which you pick back up upon returning it when you are done with it.

Tigerfan said...

"Mr. Cool-as-a-cucumber in the $300.00 ski hat pondered his final thought as he giggled like a fifth grade girl. He had this to offer:
"EVERYONE lives vicariously through US..."


Quite a BOLD statement coming from a man who less than five years ago was an unemployed NO BODY dependant upon the donations and hand outs of the PA tax paying and church community. What a pompous arrogant delusional tool!

jon and kate are cons said...

Dad of 3,

It's good to hear that you survived on the "other site."

The truth will prevail.

Aunty K.K. said...

I have a few very IMPORTANT questions...can anyone answer these:

If I was one of the people who gave to the "love offering", (saying it was for 'college/dental' fees), and later found out all their 'dental' fee's are "FREE", or I had bought a $20.00 picture, (to help support the 'kids')...is there any way to get the money back?

I'm asking this, as obviously K/J are using the money from all these 'love offerings' and $$ from photos', to buy these new condo's and go to 'spa's' and 'ski',etc.....

so, if numberous people GAVE of their "hard earned" money...

IS THERE any way to get it back????

This is a very serious question....

Another way of looking at this is:
IS there any way to SEE if there are "FINANCIAL" plans set aside for each child...seeing thats what the KONS said the money was going towards?

It appears that all this 'money' collected is now being used for K/J's 'fun', instead of being put aside for the 'children's future'....(that's how they present it at the 'talks').

Has anyone else thought about this?
IF so, can anything be done, or can it be 'investigated'????

Considering that the 'thousands' of people who 'donated' to the Gosselin 'funds', (for the, quote, children)...GAVE from income they couldn't spare...some who didn't have much, supported them, and now find out how 'rich' they really are....

I'd be furious if I gave my 'hard earned money' to this family....and if I didn't have much to begin with....just to see them in their: new home/new condo/spa's all the time/skiing & snowboarding all the time/flying to 'resorts to have fun'/ etc....!!!!!

I'm serious!! Can anyone answer these questions?

This is a 'huge' FRAUD and needs to stop!

Sorry, this is not worded right, as I'm very tired from driving in a snow-storm for 3 hours late last night...thanks all!!

The other Judy said...

From the archived website under "praise list"

"6 Cribs that turn into beds and layette clothing - Thank you Delta Manufacturing"

So they had cribs that turned into beds, why did they go out and have to get more beds?

beachluvin said...

Has anyone seen the commercial advertising the J&K episode airing tomorrow night?

"You think you know everything about this family?" "Think again"

Very interesting.....

4girlsoneboy said...

The other Judy said:

"So they had cribs that turned into beds, why did they go out and have to get more beds?"

Judy, you have heard that old saying "Who are we to say no?"

bcd5 said...

I just looked up the link provided by lisak, and I only looked at the first three or four dates - May-June 2004. I find it very odd that not until the third or fourth post did they add "Continued Good Health of Our Family" to their online Prayer List. Wouldn't that have been the number one thing on anyone else's prayer list??? The first thing on their Prayer List was a 15 passenger van - how nice. It's weird beyond belief to me that Kate, being a preacher's daughter, would put prayers for material items before the health of her own children. I'm just saying...

Virginia Lawyer said...

As a lawyer, I can tell you that unfortunately, no, you can not get back money you've donated because Kon misrepresented how that money would be used or how much it was needed. Wish I could give a more positive response. Con people have been around since the beginning of time. These two had the advantage of cute babies and TV. The babies aren't babies anymore and the con seems to be moving from them to the adults. Hard to believe there are still people jumping into that Kool-Aid vat.

Vicki said...

Somewhere on a Post (don't recall the location) someone briefly mentioned the FCC. Question to anyone who may know: Why has the FCC not stopped the filming/showing
of the "Show"? So much we have all seen has invaded the privacy of the Children. What are the
Standards the FCC are suppose to
uphold?

DirtyDisher said...

Random viewing..I was watching the re-run of the episode where they did nannies for hire and Jon did the strangest things. I'd never noticed before, but, he pinched Cara. It was bizarre behavior. She was fussing and he hit her with a pinch...like, he hit her, but, then it turned into a pinch. He kind of twisted the pinch. Then he noticed the camera and backed off. Cara held her bare arm and cried. He also pulled Collin away from a door by his ear and it was kind of rough. I wonder what goes on there on those rare days when there's no camera?

Miss Brown Betti said...

beachluvin,

Yeah I wonder what that "think again" means. My guess is that it will be a show based with alot of sarcasm on the part of J/K to the public who doesn't believe their garbage.

lisak said...

I was also shocked when I saw J&K's archived website. I had seen it on 'Musings From The Moon' and was shocked by it. These people know what they are doing and have become master manipulaters in every sense of the word. I just wish that more people had access to GWOP and other sites where they to could see what the whole truth is.

marypoppins said...

DirtyDisher said...
..I was watching the re-run of the episode where they did nannies for hire and Jon did the strangest things. I'd never noticed before, but, he pinched Cara. It was bizarre behavior. She was fussing and he hit her with a pinch...like, he hit her, but, then it turned into a pinch. He kind of twisted the pinch.



I noticed this too. As they were trying to sit down for a meal Cara was acting up, throwing her arms in the air and saying something about the others getting juice.
It did look like he pinched her and she was sent to time out.

LeeLee said...

DD...I also wonder what goes on "behind the scenes" with regard to corporal punishment and those children. I can't stand what we do see...the old shows opening has Alexis (I think) being dragged out of the van by one arm with her entire body weight dangling from it. It is VERY easy to dislocate a child's elbow or shoulder with such a maneuver...not to mention painful. She was only a little toddler at the time.

When my kids were young I had a bumper sticker that read "People are not for hitting...Children are People too." I wish I had an extra to send to the Gosselins. Neither parent has much patience and that is when spanking/hitting usually occurs...during periods of frustration. It's no wonder the kids hit each other...they learn what they live.

marypoppins said...

When this series first started I read on other sites about viewers who watched the show and said they sent school supplies, toys, money and one person even wanted tho send the kids bikes.

I couldnt believe that people didnt understand that the family was being PAID for EACH episode and that the kids were not deprived of anything.

I think there will be more protests when we see the new house. I predict a show with furniture , toys etc being sponsered just like the Duggers.

marypoppins said...

I dont understand why Kate put tape over kids names on the backpacks to protect them from strangers ,when they were already on National TV.

And now a books with their photos?

Huh??

Marietta said...

This is a question for PCOS info:

When did you realize you had PCOS and did you go to your doctor after noticing symptoms or before?

My symptoms are like yours. Do you do anything for the extra hair and if so what?

thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, I know it's off topic, but I haven't been able to find anybody willing to talk about this.

May Day said...

I can not remember what show it was but I know I saw it. Two of the boys were playing downstairs and one pushed the other on purpose or bit or hit the other.Kate had the boy by the arm to make him apologize to other other boy. She had a ruler/stick type thing in her hand. My first thought I hope she wasn't using it for punishment. Does anyone recall the scene I am talking about?

qtrfan said...

Anonymomma said...
...and why request a 15 passenger van if there are 10 of them?

They must have room for all the helpers they claim they no longer use.

bcd5 said...

I checked out the link posted by lisak about the web archives of sixgosselins.com, and then went back to look at it a second time. The second time around, I looked at their Praise List (a list of thank you's to differnt people and companies) on different dates. In June/July 2004, Kate's dad's church was on that list for renovating their home and also an interior designer was on the list for interior decorating. But by Nov. 2004, these two had been removed. All the other Praise List recipients were still listed, and I am just wondering if anyone knows why they would "unthank" Kate's dad's church and the interior decorator? The deeper I dig, and the more that comes out into the public eye, the less I like Jon and Kate Gosselin. I think being "celebrities" has gone to their heads. Those poor kids are going to have to deal with their parents' ego for the rest of their lives.

Gina said...

May Day,
Yes I recall seeing the stick thing. Something else that I caught was when it was "Boy's Day Out" and the boy tups were on the golf cart and Collin did something that got Jon angry...It looked as if Jon started to slap or tap Collin's mouth and instead just firmly placed his hand over his mouth.Check it out.

emmasmommy said...

I was wondering if the kids will get any royalties from the show once they have become of age. I know they are not "acting" they are reality show celebs but what will they benefit from it in the end.

At the moment these kids do not even know or care about material things. What is gonna occur when they are teens and will need cars, insurance, clothes, etc...who wants to film coming of age teens with their awkward stages anymore. So I hope these parents are being smart about the money the kids are earning now..key word KIDS

shann said...

Hello,
While reading this blog,I was listening to a song on my Zune and noticed the lyrics relate to the Gosselins in a sad way
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Katie, don't cry, I know
You're trying your hardest
And the hardest part is letting go

Cause nothing feels like home, you're a thousand miles away

Because I know I'm good for something
I just haven't found it yet


These lyrics make me sad about the Gosselin situation.
Especially the first part. I cant imagine Kate not talking to her parents. It must make her at least somewhat sad. It makes me wonder if today, if something were to happen to her parents, would any member of the family try to notify her? Would Kate even be sad?

The second lyric, hits the nail right on the head. While trips here, there and the other place are great,but are the kids even going to remember it 10 years down the road? I doubt they even know what home is. They probably think home is an airplane, that neat-o bus they had when in NYC or some hotel.

The third lyric, makes me laugh in a sick way. Jon and Kate could make it work without the show. Kate had a good paying job. Nurses dont just make minimum wage. And Jon, if he at least put in some effort, he could provide for his family. They have the skills to provide for their family. Sure it wont be lavish and high class, but at least the kids would have a normal, solid life.

Well, I'm done ranting.

nc resident said...

But by Nov. 2004, these two had been removed. All the other Praise List recipients were still listed, and I am just wondering if anyone knows why they would "unthank" Kate's dad's church and the interior decorator?

The picture have been posted of this remodel and it (just for my taste) was out there. Kate was less than thankful calling the work "horrendously horrific" I think that was her term. She said that and was crying as well and the news media still there picked up on it. Not to mention Jon was complaining on another forum (Triplet Connection)that he got a 1099 for $65,000.

Jacque said...

The picture have been posted of this remodel and it (just for my taste) was out there. Kate was less than thankful calling the work "horrendously horrific" I think that was her term. She said that and was crying as well and the news media still there picked up on it. Not to mention Jon was complaining on another forum (Triplet Connection)that he got a 1099 for $65,000.

Can you provide that link where Jon complained. I would love to see that!!

berksmom said...

In PA, for years and years now (since at least 1996 that I know of) hospitals give a brand new, free, Graco infant car seat to new mothers upon discharge with a new baby. It's part of a child safety initiative to make sure every child is buckled up properly. These are really nice car seats, some have canopies, but all have the carrying handle. They are unisex colors and patterns too. So the fact that KON put in a prayer request for 6 brand new infant car seats on their website is absolute proof of their greed. Kate was well aware of the free car seat program if she was a nurse in any PA maternity ward.

I've lived in PA all my life. I have dozens of friends and family that have given birth at many different PA hospitals in the last 10-15 years and no one was offered a free car seat. I have no idea what kind of program you were able to take advantage of but I don't think it was/is as widespread as you think it is. I can only assume that since Graco is a Berks County company, they may have provided free car seats to some local hospitals to distribute. I would think it was meant to be used for low-income families who don't have a car seat upon leaving the hospital with the newborn.

Car Seat Kate said...

I've lived in PA all my life. I have dozens of friends and family that have given birth at many different PA hospitals in the last 10-15 years and no one was offered a free car seat. I have no idea what kind of program you were able to take advantage of but I don't think it was/is as widespread as you think it is. I can only assume that since Graco is a Berks County company, they may have provided free car seats to some local hospitals to distribute. I would think it was meant to be used for low-income families who don't have a car seat upon leaving the hospital with the newborn.

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But that's the point entirely, is why ask for people to provide car seats on a prayer list if they could have got them themselves. This is not just Berks county, but surrounding counties as well (Columbia, Schuylkill, Lehigh, that I know of). To clear up any further confusion to this regard, I have taken the liberty to email Patrice Hall from Penn State Milton Hershey. She is the director of Maternity Services. As soon as she responds I will post it here.

Marie France said...

AUNTY K K said: If I was one of the people who gave to the "love offering", (saying it was for 'college/dental' fees), and later found out all their 'dental' fee's are "FREE", or I had bought a $20.00 picture, (to help support the 'kids')...is there any way to get the money back?

Honestly I doubt it. KON ONLY ACCEPTS CASH for the pictures and its CASH in the "love offering" basket. No canceled check to worry about!! A neat trick for KON!

Former Berks County Mom said...

Perhaps the free car seats were from a company that donated because there were 6 babies born to one family? As I recall, there was a ton of gifts for the family and lots of media attention on everyone who wanted to donate and help out.

Marie France said...

May Day said...
I can not remember what show it was but I know I saw it. Two of the boys were playing downstairs and one pushed the other on purpose or bit or hit the other.Kate had the boy by the arm to make him apologize to other other boy. She had a ruler/stick type thing in her hand. My first thought I hope she wasn't using it for punishment. Does anyone recall the scene I am talking about?

Yes, Kate can be seen carrying a cardboard roll (from paper towels) under her arm often on the show. It has been said that they say they spank the kids and it is believed that Kate uses this to swat them with.

Elena said...

Marietta said...
This is a question for PCOS info:

When did you realize you had PCOS and did you go to your doctor after noticing symptoms or before?

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I'm not the person who posted about PCOS before, but I can answer your question. I had problems from the very beginning. I was almost 15 before I had my first period. I never go them regularly and always had painful cramps. At 18, I was put on BC pills to regulate my periods. This also helped with the cramps. Being an irresponsible young adult, I didn't go to the doctor regularly and my prescription would run out. It could then be a year before I had another period. When it came, it literally knocked me out with its intensity and pain. I was finally diagnosed at 26. At that time, my only symptoms were irregular, painful periods and weight. I'm now 47, have all the symptoms but one (no male pattern baldness, thank goodness). One of the issues with PCOS is elevated testosterone. The bc pills helped elevate my estrogen. I can no longer take any type of estrogen because when I was 42, I had a pulmonary embolism. A rare side effect of bc pills.

PCOS varies in intensity. You can have mild to severe cases. I ended up adopting to start a family. Two of my sisters went the fertility route, but had single births. PCOS does run in families.

They are finding that many women who have PCOS can become pregant by taking glucophage (metformin). This is a drug prescribed to diabetics as it is for insulin resistance. Since insulin resistance is a major effect of PCOS, they've learned that taking this medication can lessen the symptoms. It's helped me with hirsutism and weight gain.

I'm sure this is far more than anyone wants to know about PCOS. There are many forums and websites out there with more information. Just Google it.

nc resident said...

Most of his posts were deleted but a few remained those that he responded to.

http://tripletconnection.org/triplet_forum/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=135&topic_id=87953&mesg_id=87953&listing_type=search

KON alert! said...

Unbeleivable! the guy was working the message boards; talking about the struggle, attaching pics and links to his website where awestruck mombies could "help the cause". this guy had no shame!

Exhausted said...

With regard to the van, Kate makes it seem in the book as though they bought the van themselves. Or she carefully omits any mention of someone buying it for them. Does anyone know if they were given this van, or if after a year or so of begging, they finally just gave up and bought it the way a normal family has to do?

Exhausted said...

Not counting love offerings or TLC show money or appearance fees, if you had to estimate an amount that totals how much these two have been given in free stuff, what do you think that number would look like? When you start to think of item after item, it really adds up.

Kristen H said...

just read the archives for j and k's website...did anyone happen to notice what the archive site was called up at the top?

The wayback...

isnt that what silly Kate calls the trunk of their van or something??

Just thought that was funny.

lurkylurks said...

Jon the IT Guy didn't even pay for his own website, on one of the later dates, it says "© 2004, Site Design, HTML Coding, Programming, and Hosting donated by P-Wave Inc.". Good God.

However, my favorite part of the site? After having it on their prayer list for over a year, "We finally purchased a van ourselves."

Kristen H said...

Oh wow...their website used to have a chat forum. Gee, I wonder why they got rid of that???

Also from the archives in the beginning of 07, under the FAQ, Kate says they are going to write a book, as well as a book of recipes. I guess we are going to see what all goes into "old Grandma soup" after all!

Chris said...

Yawn told the interviewer while at school, the six little kids "have personality conflicts" with their classmates. PERSONALITY CONFLICTS? Again, WTF?
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As i understood it, listening to the interview, the tups have personality conflicts among themselves, so they have different friends. I can remember a time when Collin pushed Alexis off a bench simply because she was there. I imagine that there are more personality conflicts that haven't been shown.

Aunty K.K. said...

For some reason i think the Gosselins show tomorrow, the one about "all you wanted to know", will have either photo's or 'real images' of either Kate's of Jon's family.
I think they may do this to say ,"we have family...see"! But, it won't show how 'emotionally' close they are or aren't.

And, maybe something about 'buying the house", (but we won't see that for the next 2 weeks, ...of course, next week will show the house prior to moving..and the week after..the house after moving in)...but...

As for questions about Beth, Jodi,and the others? Well, I'd be surprised!

But, we;ll see tomorrow evening...I'm tired of the commercials tonight! Over and over they keep showing them...stating "all you wanted to know"!

momof3boys said...

I think that Kate is missing out on some real love when it comes to her little son's.I have 3 son's who are now 20,24 and 26. To this day I still wrap my arms around them and kiss them. We have seen Jon holding Mady on his lap kissing her at his 30th birthday party and most recently Hannah was on his lap and Jon was hugging and petting Hannah but do we see Kate holding her son's in her arms and loving them up? Oh Kate...What you are missing out on and will be missing out on when your son's are older. I think that little boys are GREAT!

jon and kate are cons said...

momof3boys,

I agree with you so much. Boys are not icky at all. They are fun. You can learn so much from boys.

Kate doesn't know what she's missing.

konspiracytheory said...

momof3boys:

I'm with ya! I have two sons - when I was pregnant with my third child (a girl) I got the same comment over and over: "bet you're hoping for a girl!" Many people just flat out wouldn't believe me when I told them that I would be thrilled either way - the way I saw it, having a girl would add a wonderful new dimension to our family, but if it was a boy, that was great too b/c I already knew how terrific having boys was!

Both Kate & Jon really don't know what they're missing by making the boys second-class citizens in that family.

Tami said...

momof3boys,

I agree with you so much. Boys are not icky at all. They are fun. You can learn so much from boys.

Kate doesn't know what she's missing.
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She does not deserve them. I have a brand new precious baby boy who is 2 weeks old. I don't know how you end up not liking your own son. I also have a 10 yr old son. Kate is insane.

Jacque said...

KON alert, NC resident--

I see Jon posting on that triplet board as nothing more than a poster. Probably just a proud dad and wanted to relate his experiences. I don't understand what the big fuss is about?

Anonymomma said...

I think that Kate is missing out on some real love when it comes to her little son's.I have 3 son's who are now 20,24 and 26. To this day I still wrap my arms around them and kiss them. We have seen Jon holding Mady on his lap kissing her at his 30th birthday party and most recently Hannah was on his lap and Jon was hugging and petting Hannah but do we see Kate holding her son's in her arms and loving them up? Oh Kate...What you are missing out on and will be missing out on when your son's are older. I think that little boys are GREAT!


YES! THEY ARE! I have 3 boys myself, tweens now lol. What I wouldn't give to go back in time and have them all in diapers again. They cringe each time I pull out the photo album (which is often, and usually when company comes over hehe) but I can't help it. If I could stop time now with them I would. Befre my first son was born I wished for a girl. But the instant I saw him for the first time it was meant to be. We've been peas and carrots ever since.

One day, when Kate is an old woman, alone in that great big estate of hers, she is going to regret not cherishing this time now with them.

JanineS said...

I have to point out Momof3 that I think you and others are taking Kate's comments about boys being "icky" wrong. I am in way a Kate lover, but I do take things at face value and I think she was just saying that in a joking manner. As a mom of 3 boys also, I know they are wonderful and I think seeing the way Kate kisses her boys and does show them love that you're mistaken.

Jmo

Dr. Pepper said...

Jessie said...

LeeLee said...
True...the Gosselin kids not only have a distorted view of the world because they have Jon and Kate for parents, they will never have the chance to experience what it's really like to just be a kid. Sad.

1/16/2009 9:50 PM
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And even more so when they Google their name and read all the nasty stuff written about their parents.

1/18/2009 10:10 PM

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Any "nasty stuff" written about KON isn't a distortion of reality, it IS the reality that the kids already know.

Googling and reading it will only validate in their minds what they already know about their two greedy, narcissistic, lying, exploitive parents.

elderberry said...

I have to point out Momof3 that I think you and others are taking Kate's comments about boys being "icky" wrong. I am in way a Kate lover, but I do take things at face value and I think she was just saying that in a joking manner. As a mom of 3 boys also, I know they are wonderful and I think seeing the way Kate kisses her boys and does show them love that you're mistaken.

Typical sheeple speak, just see things the way Kon wants you to see them.

So when Kate was able to join all five of her girls on each of their "special day" outings but refused to join ANY of her boys on THEIRS, she was just showing how she loves the boys as much as the girls?

And when she put a vomiting, feverish Joel on the laundry room floor so he wouldn't "mess up" any more bedding, she was just showing him how much she loves him?

Same goes for Collin when she pushed him away so she could continue browsing a furniture store brochure as he stood there crying in pain?

Okay...

iheartmyhubby said...

I wrote to kmart to let them know how repulsive kate gosselin is as a spokesperson and received this generic response:

Thank you for your thoughts.

As with Kate as well as all celebrity partnerships, we do a strong
review process prior to working with them. I appreciate your thoughts
and we will consider them moving forward.

Thank you,
Tom

Mandy said...

JanineS said...
I have to point out Momof3 that I think you and others are taking Kate's comments about boys being "icky" wrong. I am in way a Kate lover, but I do take things at face value and I think she was just saying that in a joking manner. As a mom of 3 boys also, I know they are wonderful and I think seeing the way Kate kisses her boys and does show them love that you're mistaken.

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Here here! I agree completely. I say the same things about little boys sometimes because they are just different. If you're used to little girls and you are a girl, little boys ARE just completely different and kinda 'icky' in some ways! I don't like reading constantly that Kate's comments on that make her a bad mother.

BostonBean said...

That's funny on that multiples' discussion bord.
Jon laments "why did I get a 1099?" after his house was renovated with donated materials.
LOL --- Just wait until they realize what the upkeep is on all of those acres!
He'll be wishing they stayed in the old house!

thecloserfan said...

Regarding receiving/not receiving the Graco Infant Car Seat.

I am a Registered Nurse on a medical floor and I can tell you that every once in a while we'll receive some free glucose monitors from one of the companies. We can give these monitors out to patients until our supply runs out.

That could explain why some new moms are getting car seats while others aren't. Just a thought...

$$$ said...

Elderberry, I completely agree with you. Saying boys are "icky" does not mean Kate hates them, as some seem to imply. When I was little and was sick, I used to ask to lay on a cold floor -- it made me feel better. I don't think Joel on the floor is a good example of Kate not liking her boys. And for the outtings, my guess is Jon wanted to go alone with the boys for some "bonding" time. I am not a sheaple, nor do I like J&K or agree with the premise of the show, but I don't think it's fair to constantly be trying to find things to indicate how much Kate hates the boys. In everyday life, we all goof around with our kids. Some things we say aren't necessarily meant to be taken literally. I feel as though people take EVERYTHING on this show literally and then try to prove a larger point with things they search to find. I think the show needs to be cancelled. I'm sick of seeing Jon and Kate and hearing how they are living such a grand life with money others gave to them; but I wholeheartedly disagree that any physical abuse occurs in the house.

nc resident said...

Jacque said...
KON alert, NC resident--

I see Jon posting on that triplet board as nothing more than a poster. Probably just a proud dad and wanted to relate his experiences. I don't understand what the big fuss is about?


This was your original question to me correct:

Can you provide that link where Jon complained. I would love to see that!!


Jacque you asked for link about the 1099 right? I posted the link. I also ask you do not use the word KON by my name as I did not use that term. I am not going to cut and paste his post, go and read it for your self. It is a little unfair to ask for a link then complain because I provide one is it not.

Nice Work If You Can Get It said...

I am anxiously awaiting tonights "All You Wanted To Know" episode.

Can't wait to hear how they reveal "all" their secrets on how to successfully con people out of money for years on end !

KonGOaway said...

I wonder what Martha Stewart would think of so many people boycotting Kmart because of Kate Gosselin. Martha has a lot of products in that store and I am certain she would not be happy to know of the controversy surrounding Kate being asked to advertise the layaway feature. If Martha speaks up . . .

Jen K said...

Just wanted to add...I'm the mom of a boy and I wouldn't have it any other way! I was so thrilled when my husband said, "It's a boy!" in the delivery room. While I also want a girl at some point, having a boy is IMO so fun and special!

I wish Kate could learn to appreciate her boys more. It's really one of the saddest parts of the show if you ask me, and I hope that at some point she learns how much she is missing out on by not having a separate and special relationship with her boys.

You know, this family has some weird hangups about gender! Dad hangs out with the boys, Mom hangs out with the girls. The boys do outside fun, girls do cooking. Why not switch it up? I mean, my husband is a fantastic cook and I can't wait to do fun cooking stuff with my little boy when he's old enough. It's so strange...I know it's all Kate because Jon seems to have no trouble relating to his daughters. She's so WEIRD!

kelli said...

I live in PA and I gave birth in 2006. No free car seat here. I never heard of that. I did get a free diaper bag and some formula from Similac.

momof3boys said...

Thank you elderberry

momof3 boys said...

My comment about Kate and her sons wernt based on her "Icky " comment but based on her "ACTIONS" toward her boys.Actions are louder then words.My boys were icky from time to time and I loved it and still do.

Tigerfan said...

I find it rather disturbing, and telling on Jon's part, for a PARENT to refer to their own children as 'marketable'. As if children are commoditites to be sold to the highest bidder for profit. TomaTOES, TomAtos. Marketable = EXPLOITATION!

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