Yard Sale Recap

Submitted by Three Farmers

Dragging myself to the television to watch this episode was like walking with two lead weights tied to my feet. That was until my ears perked up with a reason to watch the latest episode of Jon & Kate + 8! A sneak preview to the recent Witherspoon/Vaughn project, “Four Christmases”. Thank goodness, something to which to look forward. Continue

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fostersmom said...

Dragging myself to the television to watch this episode was like walking with two lead weights tied to my feet. That was until my ears perked up with a reason to watch the latest episode of Jon & Kate + 8! A sneak preview to the recent Witherspoon/Vaughn project, “Four Christmases”. Thank goodness, something to which to look forward.

It’s time to yard sale, as Jon and Kate tell us they do every year. The exception this year being that they will be donating the prodceeds of their yard sale to Pediatric Cancer Research, specifically, the Sunshine Fund, which supports clinical trials. A fine cause, I’m sure. It’s so nice to see Jon and Kate using one hand to give to a worthy cause while the other gathers “love offerings”. Makes you wonder just whose money will be funding all that worthy research.

I’ve had a nice four-week respite from recapping the Gosselin annals for posterity, and during that time I must admit that I haven’t missed them one bit. I haven’t missed the cute kids. I haven’t missed noting my own emotional superiority in comparison to Kate and her low-blood-sugarish antics. (No, “sugarish” isn’t a word, but I have a hard time finding words to describe Kate.) And, I haven’t missed the overwhelming cloak of dread that envelops me whenever I realize that the twins and tups are little more than organically fed show ponies in the J&K Circus of the Stars of Reality Television, but I digress.

As usual, Jon is moving things from one place to another as we’ve seen him do so many times before. Furniture, children, luggage, potties, luggage, coffee, luggage -- you get the idea. This time he’s filling a U-Haul truck with enough Gosselin leftovers to stock a Kmart layaway room. He refers to their items as “memorabilia” which I find amusing because the term implies that the items have value due to some association to someone or something of particular interest. Apparently, Jon thinks the items are valuable because they are “Gosselin” items.

Jon is momentarily likable while talking about his golf clubs and his father. I was immediately struck with the notion that he does not want to sell those clubs and is only doing so because it’s for a good cause (translation: Kate said so). The twins are helping him and I’m reminded of how much I like Cara and Mady when they are just allowed to be themselves and aren’t put in a position where melting down seems like a better option to them than whatever ill-conceived memory their parents insist they make.

The Gosselins will be getting up really early to head to church to get things ready for the riotous crowd they expect to clamor for their used celebrity potty chairs. Jon admits that the ride will likely be silent because Kate isn’t a morning person and Carla, apparently, isn’t allowed to speak. Kate likes Carla because she is a type-A personality just like Kate likes to refer to herself. Kate, you are not a type-A personality. Type-A’s are hard workers who get things done. You stand around while others do everything. You are most definitely a type-B personality (you know what I mean).

Come morning, Kate is either in a really! bad mood, or she’s in a really good mood and it’s just normal for her to morph into Hydra at sunrise. Regardless, when they arrive (childless) at the yard-less yard sale location, the rented tables have yet to arrive which irritates Kate. I so wish Kate would reach into her Coach bag of useless neurotic tendencies and find some coping skills. While Jon has worked his tail off, all Kate has thus far contributed is some stuff she got free anyway. For someone who has had so many yard sales, she should know that things sell better if they are priced. People who like to haggle will do so even if there is a price tag, but people who don’t like to haggle will just walk away.

The tables arrive and Kate says “thank you” and in the same breath starts complaining that the rented tables aren’t clean enough. It’s shocking to see Kate change from benevolent to malevolent faster than a Maui-bound jet. Personally, I would have assumed that the tables would need wiping or covering, but not Kate. She then notices that the fliers have a misspelling and that all of their “prodceeds” will be going to charity. The fact that Kate thinks a single misspelling on some fliers that a few people will see is much worse than her very loose interpretation of the English language shown to millions of people over the course of a season is serious side-splitting jocularity.

While Kate is griping, Jon goes back to the house to get the kids, but he forgets to bring the lunches that Kate carefully packed the night before using her super secret recipe for serving cheese, crackers, and grapes on paper plates. Kate is upset that Jon forgot the lunches and belittles him to the camera. Apparently, she forgot that this was a filming day and that there is a Craft services table set up a few feet away from her. We see Jon with the kids in the garage long enough for him to give mention to the Crocs brand of footwear not once, but twice. Bills paid. Now, he can get back to the sale.

It seems that the sheeple forgot to show up to the Gosselin yard-less yard sale. No one is buying their “memorabilia”. It seems that their community has decided to dispose of their rapidly depleting disposable income elsewhere rather than in the hands of the Gosselins. Kate calls local radio stations to alert people to their sale and chides the announcer when he asks if she’s trying to promote their show. Kate lets the world know that their show doesn’t need promoting. Kate, the biggest stars in the world promote their projects. You are taking your sheeple for granted, and believe me, when they finally wake up from their Monkey Munch-induced stupor, they will clean out their lockers and move on to the next reality barn dance that TLC puts on the air.

Seriously, folks. If you want to donate money to cancer research, do so on your own. If you give the money to the Gosselins, they can use it as yet another tax write off for themselves as all the funds will go to the charity in their name. At that point, they will have donated nothing. Zero!

We see the kids for a few brief moments when Kate tries to sell a glitter-shedding Christmas ornament given to Mady by her Poppy. Admittedly, I’m not the most sentimental cat in the litter box, but Christmas ornaments are things that I do hang on to. Whenever I decorate my tree, I’m taken back to my childhood and all the relatives who used to gather around these same ornaments many years ago. I remember my Uncle Jerry's smile and the smell of my Grandfather's homemade peppermint schnapps that permeated the house. Most of my relatives are gone, but I see their reflections and feel their warmth whenever I take that private hour or two to decorate my tree. It’s the best spa, ever.

Kate was audacious enough to insist that people taking photos using their OWN cameras make a donation. I fell off my chair when I saw her charging people who used their own cameras and, in turn, their own film and/or developing supplies. How arrogant. What would she do if the guy didn’t pay? Send her flying monkeys to eviscerate him?

Dang it, they showed the “Four Christmases” sneak peak while I was picking up the stupid chair.

They claim that business was steady all through the day which is why they had to call the radio station and have them make an announcement and why there was so much stuff left to donate to Goodwill and the Salvation Army.

The sale is over and in spite of her distaste for handling money (odd for someone who always has her hand out), Kate tallies the prodceeds and says they made about $1,100 bucks for Pediatric Cancer Research. The twins donated the prodceeds from their beverage stand, which was nice. I’m sure the Gosselins will make up for their donated prodceeds because they used the yard sale episode to promote seasons 1 and 2 on DVD.

I don’t know what the deal is. The kids really weren’t on the show until it was 20 minutes in and if Jon and Kate think they are interesting enough on their own to do it without the children, they are sorely mistaken. Watching this show has the same effect as drinking a bottle of Nyquil without the benefit of sinus relief.

After being away from the show for several weeks I have to say that the kids have grown enormously. Kate’s hair looks like wombats are nesting in it, and either those hair plugs of Jon’s are finally taking root or Ron Popeil bonused him some Hair-In-A-Can.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe Kate in all her vast intelligence had the gall to sell her kids' used toilet seats. So nasty and thoughtless.

Anonymous said...

IMO there is an attractive (human) part of Jon but there is an equal part that is very ugly and unattractive. Because just because he's not saying anything, he's a willing participant to the Bleach-Blond-Hitler, going along with whatever she has a whim for next.

ThreeFarmers said...

Not a problem. I appreciate that it got posted so quickly and intact. I see that a couple errant !'s got through. That must be something with my email server. It's annoying as heck.

jon and kate are cons said...

GREAT RECAP,
Gee, I'm surprised that Kate doesn't wear gloves to count money. Money is just crawling with germs. Think about all the different people that handle money. Only God knows where there hands have been!


The Christmas ornament from Poppy. Did you see how sad Mady was when she saw that Kate was selling it? Mady knew to tell Jon. After all, it was from Jon's deceased dad. Didn't Kate think that maybe Jon's mother might want it for her Christmas tree. Even though the glitter might come off, so what. It's not the end of the world.

I sure hope that Kate did donate the money, but I have a feeling that some went in her pocket.

UniStudent said...

"Type-A’s are hard workers who get things done. You stand around while others do everything. You are most definitely a type-B personality (you know what I mean)."

ThreeFarmers I really like your recaps. I just want to clarify, I know you said "you know what I mean", but let's not insult anyone who is a type b personality by saying Kate is one. Type B personalities are laid back and have an optimistic view on life, though can be less ambitious. To be either an extreme A or B personality is never a good thing, a balanced person falls somewhere in the middle.
Anyways sorry I just lean towards the B side and was a bit insulted! Type B does not mean lazy!

Anyways this episode was ridiculous. You are right. If J and K think that they can make this show work without the kids they are wrong. I am glad the kids got a filming break, and hopefully KON is being more concious of having them on camera. The best part about that is that no one wants to watch a show just call Jon and Kate so this trainwreck can hopefully be cancelled soon and this family can get some serious help, and I don't mean financially.

Anonymous said...

Anon said,"IMO there is an attractive (human) part of Jon but there is an equal part that is very ugly and unattractive. Because just because he's not saying anything, he's a willing participant to the Bleach-Blond-Hitler, going along with whatever she has a whim for next."
I think Jon picks his battles. One thing, he really seems to love his kids. Remember how he used to want to play with them but Kate would demand he stop and do something she 'needed' done?

rosey in washington said...

ThreeFarmers you are SO hilarius!! I loved all this little slide-ins about all their free stuff...Maui jet, etc...

LOVED IT! Not that I don't love the other writers of the recaps but you are my personal favorite!

vipersue said...

I sure would have liked to have seen Jon stand up to Kate when Mady wanted to keep the ornament from Jons father. Instead of telling Mady she could keep the ornament and then telling Kate he sent Mady back to talk to Kate again. What a wimp.

highondegrassi said...

Awesome recap 3Farmers! You certainly covered all the nitty gritty of the shrew at her finest! I also think Kate took a little 'somethin somethin' for herself before making the donation. Nice write off too.

Anonymous said...

I saw the part where Jon was getting the golf clubs out, and he looked so sad talking about it, saying he wanted to pass it down to his sons. I would think something like that he should have kept for the kids, although something tells me that Kate looks as that kind of stuff as junk.

mommyof 3 said...

When Kate was calling the radio station was she using an I phone??

Paula S said...

There really is no need for anyone to watch the actual episodes. Reading the recaps are much more entertaining and much less painless.

Lee said...

How arrogant. What would she do if the guy didn’t pay? Send her flying monkeys to eviscerate him?

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omg, thank you for that! I did a spit take when I read that, and my coffee came through my nose. You just made my morning. I can actually hear her in my head "I'll get you, my pretty...And your little dog too!"

Moons in Leo said...

As always, well done, TF!

machinegunsmom said...

Uuggghhhh...is about all I can muster for this episode. The kids weren't in it, which I know is what we've been asking for but the show really isn't that interesting without them...Kate was especially bitchy. And I was really surprised to see Carla, I was just wondering if she was still on Kate's payroll.

The tables: THEY'RE FOR A YARD SALE. You're not serving Thanksgiving dinner on them...I wouldn't have even covered them with paper, honestly. It's stuff that she was selling that was never coming back into her home, nor were the filthy, repulsive RENTED tables...

The ornament: I'm assuming Poppy is Jon's dad, I was kind of wondering if maybe that was Kate's since she was so cold and uncaring about the ornament that obviously meant so much to her dear child. That's really crappy to tell a kid that their memories don't matter because they get "dustlies" everywhere. Kate's constant bastardization of the English language is almost as irritating as her voice, her hair, or her exploitation of her children.

THE CHAIRS! Did anyone notice she was selling off the white plastic thrones? Or were they just brought along in the U-Haul so her fat butt would have a place to sit and give orders--like when she found out there was another yard sale just down the street and she demanded that "someone" go down there and put up a sign.

What a nightmare...as my husband repeated throughout the show, "I would kill her."

Anonymous said...

Seriously, folks. If you want to donate money to cancer research, do so on your own.

Why? Should we ignore all the church sales, candy drives, 'Fill The Boot' events too? All the local events that benefit good causes?

wendimail said...

I'm quite sure the white plastic chairs aren't good enough for the new estate. Maybe they'll use teak, if so I hope Kate gets a splinter in her butt.

If the show is canceled I'd miss these recaps. Kate is fun to watch just for the, "I wonder what she'll say this time?" A bit like the Gong Show. Thx 3 farmers it was hilarious!

lifeoriley said...

Hilarious recap, 3F-- I didn't watch the show--your recaps are better than the episodes, anyway. If Kate was "irritated" it probably was because she was thinking of all the money she personally could've got from the items sold. If the money was going to charity, then she most certainly should've priced the items--even a little higher because the $ is going to a good cause. How many of us have paid for overpriced candy, wrapping paper, etc. because we knew the profits were going to charity (school, church, scouts, etc.)? At least the money went for good instead of lining the G's pockets.

I'm glad Mady caught the ornament situation before they were gone. That little girl does have a big heart, IMO, she's very sensitive.
How come Jon couldn't keep the golf bag? What was the reason? Couldn't one of his sons used it later or couldn't Jon have offered it to one of his brothers? I always offer things to relatives (especially those of sentimental value) before getting "rid" of them.

Anonymous said...

I think what makes J&K so boring by themselves is that both of them speak in monotones. I'm so tired of them. They never ever sound excited or happy about ANYTHING! I wish they'd change this show around, take away J&K slouched in their chairs speaking in monotones and just focus on the kids. ONLY the kids.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice how Kate kept referring to the "babysitter" taking care of the little kids while they set up the tables? I guess she doesn't want to give her a name in case she doesn't stick around like the rest of them. I wonder what happened to Jenny? And I thought Carla disappeared along with Nanna Janet, Beth and Jody. I noticed Carla wasn't allowed to speak or maybe she just figured better to stay silent around Kate.

Anonymous said...

Bleach blond hitler!

TOO funny! lol

Anonymous said...

ThreeFarmers I really like your recaps. I just want to clarify, I know you said "you know what I mean", but let's not insult anyone who is a type b personality by saying Kate is one. Type B personalities are laid back and have an optimistic view on life, though can be less ambitious. To be either an extreme A or B personality is never a good thing, a balanced person falls somewhere in the middle.
Anyways sorry I just lean towards the B side and was a bit insulted! Type B does not mean lazy!
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3F correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you were saying Kate was a Type-B meaning Type-Biatch, not insulting Type B people in general.

I am very Type A and thank goodness my hubby is Type B otherwise we would kill eachother =)

(oh, and my hubby is far from lazy)

Anonymous said...

Seriously, folks. If you want to donate money to cancer research, do so on your own.

Why? Should we ignore all the church sales, candy drives, 'Fill The Boot' events too? All the local events that benefit good causes?

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Geez, get a grip. Do what you want, just don't go through the Gosselins !

Anonymous said...

"Yard Sale" had to be on of the most boring shows yet. Who wants to watch Kate complaining about everything? It was very evident that she did NOT want to be there. And we only got to see the tups for a brief time playing on the swings out back of the church.

I felt sorry for Mady when she saw Poppy's ornament out there for sale. What kind of mother destroys family memories, all because of a little glitter? Arugh!

I watched a rerun yesterday of Kate getting ready for her tummy tuck. She was making sixteen meals and freezing them. She somehow seemed like a nicer person in those early shows. I laughed when the doctor's wife said she had so much fun having Kate recuperating at her house. What doctor's family does that? "We're going to do it every year," Mrs. Glassman said. She seemed like such a nice lady who had no idea that Kate had used her and now could discard her.Did they ever get together again? Unless Kate needs more surgery, I doubt it.

Anonymous said...

A friend and I had a yard sale about a month ago and we would have loved to have had those tables. We only had a few card tables and make shift tables from boards and a couple of clothes racks and the extra stuff just sat on the ground. We both live in a rural area and we hauled our stuff in our trucks to town to an empty parking lot we were allowed to use. No husbands helping us and we made it fine. Kate needs to put her big girl panties on and grow up.

I wonder how much they actually made from the yard sale after expenses were taken out. The rented truck and tables are not cheap.

I felt so sorry for Maddy about the Christmas ornament. I am very sentimental and keep everything my grandmothers gave me etc. Since they will have so much room in the new house Kate should get the girls all cedar chests to put their keepsakes in. That could be their treasure place and no one else be allowed to bother it.

Anonymous said...

I hate to rain on your parade, but a detailed review of "Four Christmases" this week in a local Wash., DC newspaper said it was very disappointing. I'm saving my money.

Normally if they advertize an upcoming movie up the wazoo as they have done in my area, it's a tipoff that the movie is not very good.

trinityella said...

"Kate’s hair looks like wombats are nesting in it"

Holy crap this was great! These recaps are the best! No need to watch the show anymore! =)

Penny said...

"I haven’t missed noting my own emotional superiority in comparison to Kate and her low-blood-sugarish antics."
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My son has type 1 diabetes and his sugar has been as low as 32 before, but he has NEVER, EVER acted like Kate. (Thank goodness.)

I haven't watched the show in well over a month now. I just can't bring myself to watch anymore. But, I love reading the snarky recaps.

Anonymous said...

I watched a rerun yesterday of Kate getting ready for her tummy tuck. She was making sixteen meals and freezing them. She somehow seemed like a nicer person in those early shows. I laughed when the doctor's wife said she had so much fun having Kate recuperating at her house. What doctor's family does that? "We're going to do it every year," Mrs. Glassman said. She seemed like such a nice lady who had no idea that Kate had used her and now could discard her.Did they ever get together again? Unless Kate needs more surgery, I doubt it.

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I caught part of the rerun of "one year later" as well. I hadn't watched it before, but I picked up a few things that I don't think I would have if I watched it when it first came out.

- Kate's face when she's told that she doesn't need plastic surgery for her breasts. She looked really surprised, seemingly bordering on angry. I'm sure she was trying to milk all she could from the freebie.

- Having Mady wake up Cara and having the cameras follow. I'm sorry, but what parent would allow cameras into a child's room while they were sleeping?

- Kate has issues with her hair. There was a discussion of how Kate was blonde when Jon met her, then it was long, and then it was brown. I wonder if she has some identity crisis. Her hair looked pretty bad back then too. And now it's just a highlighted (?) mess.

Anonymous said...

By the time folk get done picking the stuff, pricing it, moving it out for display, time spent selling and getting rid of whats left, they are lucky to make minnimum wage. Better to donate it all to the Salvation Army or Goodwill and share with those who have less.

Anonymous said...

LMAO! Once again, ThreeFarmers comes through with a recap worth reading (every word). Type B indeed..B for Biotch, Bloody Biotch, Boring Biotch. Kate gives arrogance a whole new meaning. Memorabilia, my ass! That chick thinks God wants her autograph and she'd make him donate for it. I do like the show better without the screaming litter though. They get on my nerves. And I like watching Kate the Great make an ass of herself. Just when I think she can't get any more unlikable..they do more damage control.

DirtyDisher

SkippyMom said...

Note to self: Always have asthma inhaler on hand when reading 3F recaps of KON show!!

Lordy BEEEEE! That was funny. I haven't watched in years, ahem...seasons...because the recaps are so much better then the show.

But I did watch it and boy-o you hit all the greatest points and made them funny.

I guess it is easier to read the recaps and get a laugh then it is to watch the show - as it is painful to see how sad Kate really is.

Thanks 3F. It was great!

Anonymous said...

I'm another one who says "why bother watching J&K when there's the recaps" Besides,the recaps are a whole lot funnier--with no hissy fits or meltdowns.I just don't like the program anymore,and haven't watched it for some time now.
How come it's so easy to picture Kate in that famous scene from "The Wizard Of Oz",when the wicked witch screams "Heeeelp me,I'm melting!!",as she's fading into the floor....
I don't know who to feel sorrier for on that show,the tups for being turned into one of the sideshows at the circus,Mady and Cara for having such a miserable childhood,or Jon,for marrying TLC's version of Leona Helmsley.TLC has created this Frankenstein of a program,let's hope they put it out it's misery sooner rather than later.THEN you'd see "some kind of big meltdown" compliments of Kate..."Whaddya mean,I have to go back to work??!WAAA!"
I simply cannot fathom any mother in their right mind selling their kid's pottys.Least she could have done was let the tots make flower pots out of them....you know,eco friendly and organic type of thing?
May the show die a slow and painful death.I haven't watched the show for a few months--too much drama and too many agendas at work here.I can think of much better programming to view on other channels,that doesn't result in me getting one of those splitting headaches between the eyes.

Anonymous said...

I have to say that the recaps are better than the show! I think that Kate forgot to take her medicine. She must have severe PMS or needs a major attitude adjustment. How can Jon even stand to be around her?

I felt Mady's pain when she saw that Kate was selling the ornament from Jon's dad. Will Jon ever grow a back bone and stand up to Kate? I like seeing Mady, as young as she is, stand up to Kate. You know that Kate must just hate it when Mady does that. I saw Kate hug the face of Mady or Cara, was that for damage control? I don't care how much positive is said about Jon and Kate, the negative by far out- weighs it.

I won't for one second believe that Kate gave all the donations to charity. I'm sure that she put some in her pocket for "expenses."

Anonymous said...

Four Christmases got horrible reviews. Be forewarned.

Anonymous said...

Open letter to Kate: Dear Kate, Remember how you always said that Jon should ask you what he can do to help? Well, since the kids were at home with a babysitter during the early morning set-up of the garage sale, why is it that you didn't offer to help your husband unload that truck instead of standing around complaining??????

Anonymous said...

To Anon. who asked why Kate didn't help Jon...Because standing around complaining is what Kate does. Complaining is her life and her life is complaining. LOL

Anonymous said...

It'll be mighty interesting to see in about 15 years,if one the twins or tots haul TLC and it's parent company into court,and sue them for emotional distress,or something.As the article in the Boston Herald mentioned,now that their lives are on public display for all to see,could you imagine all your high school friends downloading your "potty moments" to their ipods? Nothing like having your mother gleeful announce to the entire world--"you made a poop in your potty"?!And a camera pointing right at you....can you say "I want to crawl under the table",or "gee,thanks mom,I always knew you cared?".Thanks,but no thanks.Let's hope KON and TLC remember,that Karma has a way of biting you in the ass

qtrfan said...

It is just me, or does some time Kate seems to be medicated sometimes when she is sitting on the couch? After her high-energy biotch mode at the yard sale, it is so strange to see her so calm and looking like it is an effort for her to even speak. Either that or one of her "other personalities" has taken over!

Weird.....

Anonymous said...

Did anyone see Mady's sweatshirt? On the back there was a little cartoon drawing, it was a perfect little caricature of "angry Mady". I was laughing for 5 minutes straight when I saw that thing!

It was so perfect, I wonder if a fan of the show made it and sent it to her.

organizedblogroll said...

I agree on how disappointed she looked when the good doctor told her to buy a better bra. Maybe that was a clue for La Perla to send her over a new bra wardrobe (or hey, maybe K-Mart??).

Anyway, the only reason they would donate the money instead of pocket it, is maybe they need a heft tax deduction this year?

Anonymous said...

You know, I didn't think this episode was bad at all. If you dislike Kate, I think it might be better to save the snarky comments for the many times when she deserves them.

But in this show, she and Jon took a day of their time to sell their possessions and give the money to charity, and got Mady and Cara involved with it too.

Yeah, she freaked out a little about the table and the signs, but overall this was a nice thing to be doing, and a total change from all the free vacations.

On an unrelated note... her hair is beginning to resemble a tumor on the side of her head. I keep wanting to reach into my TV and move it or cut it off or something. Well, at least she's not spending all the money on hair and makeup, no professional would allow that to happen.

Anonymous said...

It is just me, or does some time Kate seems to be medicated sometimes when she is sitting on the couch?
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YES!! I've noticed that too and wondered what she's been taking(or smoking?) lol

Skraps said...

Thanks 3F - great recap as usual. I too did a "spit" take! LOL!

Marsha said...

You know, I didn't think this episode was bad at all. If you dislike Kate, I think it might be better to save the snarky comments for the many times when she deserves them.

But in this show, she and Jon took a day of their time to sell their possessions and give the money to charity, and got Mady and Cara involved with it too.


I didn't watch the show, but the fact that it was an episode negates the principle of giving to charity. They did not take a day of "their time"--they were being paid to film the episode. They did not "give" of their time or money. They were selling things that were given to them and then were paid to do it.

I'm glad the charity received the money, but I believe J&K were just fulfilling their contract obligations with TLC/Figure 8. If this were done from their hearts, I believe it wouldn't have been filmed.

And yes, we would have heard about it, just like we heard how they were selling/consigning everything else that was given to them. Word gets around and just because it wasn't on TV (hypothetically), doesn't mean we wouldn't have heard about it.

Anonymous said...

I love the Hydra reference!

As for Kate's head, it's really turning into a full on Flock of Seagulls 'do. It's more extreme every week.

I can almost forgive Kate for making people use their own cameras to take pictures, it would have been a total pain in the butt to try to get pictures of random strangers back to them. But the charging for pictures was just tacky. I would have loved to have taken the picture and then handed her a quarter, that's about all it's worth.

pinkdiamond611 said...

You left out my favorite part. The part where Kate finds out there is another yard sale down the road tne then yells that "someone" better go down there with some signs. LOL. Who is "someone".? Then you see the signs at an annonymous persons feet. Kate, I thought it was "your" sale?

ThreeFarmers said...


You left out my favorite part. The part where Kate finds out there is another yard sale down the road tne then yells that "someone" better go down there with some signs. LOL. Who is "someone".? Then you see the signs at an annonymous persons feet. Kate, I thought it was "your" sale?


Sorry, I must have dozed off.

McAngie said...

I am an avid lover of Jon & Kate plus 8 and I must say I was thoroughly disappointed with the yard sale episode. I guess I finally saw Kate in her true light? She seemed unappreciative of all that had been done for them and complained through the whole episode. Like it was pulling her teeth to give back.

I'm not sure I can continue watching the show that I once loved and look at her the same way.

ThreeFarmers said...

I am an avid lover of Jon & Kate plus 8 and I must say I was thoroughly disappointed with the yard sale episode. I guess I finally saw Kate in her true light? She seemed unappreciative of all that had been done for them and complained through the whole episode. Like it was pulling her teeth to give back.

I'm not sure I can continue watching the show that I once loved and look at her the same way.


Welcome to the light.

This is why we are here. To try to get people who are fans of the show to watch from a more critical perspective then draw their own conclusions.

Anonymous said...

My dad died almost 3 years ago and it pains me to read that Kate made Jon get rid of some of his father's things.
I remember I had a hard time giving up his cell phone to a family member who could've used it, let alone a Christmas ornament or something of that sort.
I think it's heartless of Kate to do that, she has no idea what it's like to lose a father but assumes that Jon and the kids should ''just get over it''
I understand that we shouldn't hold things for memories, but some things such as golf clubs that maybe he used every weekend, or an ornament that they used every Xmas since 1960 shouldn't been out of the family.
That's just rude. We kept things of my dad that he used everyday and that we knew he enjoyed the most and meant a lot in his life...Kate was just being cold hearted.
One day she'll know what it's like to lose a parent and I hope she regrets not talking to her parents and making Jon and the kids get rid of their dear Poppy's things.

Anonymous said...

Why? Should we ignore all the church sales, candy drives, 'Fill The Boot' events too? All the local events that benefit good causes?
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Please do not confuse the Gosselins creating an episode for their reality show while getting paid 10 times what they made for charity and a reputable charity drive!

Anonymous said...

To the person who said Kate should get Mady and Cara a hope chest for their memories, you mean Kate should just look at the camera and beg for one? That's what she does best! Lane could send one right over and she could plug it 400 times on her show.

Anonymous said...

And yes, we would have heard about it, just like we heard how they were selling/consigning everything else that was given to them. Word gets around and just because it wasn't on TV (hypothetically), doesn't mean we wouldn't have heard about it.

The 'yard sale' and the amount of proceeds received were posted on the official J & K website just days after the sale took place.

Anonymous said...

Click on the blog from GWOP entitled "From a Recent Church Talk",scroll down about a quarter of the way thru the comments,and click on the link for "photobucket.com"
I was amazed at the photos of the inside of KON's new digs.We've all been "KONNED" folks,every one of us.Kon is no poorer than daddy warbucks-they deserve NOTHING more from anyone.I simply cannot fathom the greed of these people after looking at this "house".. TLC,get this show and these hypocrites OFF the air.Wait'll you see the swimming pool and driveway folks,you'll be ready to blow a gasket.Next time I see so much as a commercial for this show,I'm switching TLC off.Why is it,I somehow think of Jim,Tammy Fay Baker and the Gosselin's all in the same category?!Disgust and greed,all rolled into one name--KON.

Anonymous said...

Hi,
I just have to ask. Did anyone hear Jon make the comment when they were setting up that the kids were with a babysitter? So is Jenny a babysitter a nanny or what? I'm thinking it was someone other than Jenny. Because normally she is on camera but I didn't see a babysitter when he picked the kids up. Soooo it must have been someone Kate wouldn't let the show pay! Not approved, not on camera LOL! Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Click on the blog from GWOP entitled "From a Recent Church Talk",scroll down about a quarter of the way thru the comments,and click on the link for "photobucket.com"
I was amazed at the photos of the inside of KON's new digs.We've all been "KONNED" folks,every one of us.Kon is no poorer than daddy warbucks-they deserve NOTHING more from anyone.I simply cannot fathom the greed of these people after looking at this "house".. TLC,get this show and these hypocrites OFF the air.Wait'll you see the swimming pool and driveway folks,you'll be ready to blow a gasket.Next time I see so much as a commercial for this show,I'm switching TLC off.Why is it,I somehow think of Jim,Tammy Fay Baker and the Gosselin's all in the same category?!Disgust and greed,all rolled into one name--KON.

11/26/2008 5:41 PM

And to think, Kate is quoted as saying (paraphrase) ' there were times when we werent sure if we would have a roof over our heads and food on the table'. I am assuming that Kate is referring to a time just prior to and after the tups were born, less than five years ago. Within less than five years time, J & K have gone from not being sure they would have a roof over their head and food on the table, to living in a million dollar multi acre , several thousand square foot home. How did they manage to acquire so much in such little time, Two words..CHILD EXPLOITATION!!!! How DARE anyone suggest otherwise! The TRUTH speaks for itself.

Anonymous said...

Almost 6 years ago, my mother passed away after a terrible battle with cancer. My kids were little, ages 2, 5, and 6. My two year old can barely remember her, yet every day for the longest time, my mother's pillow would go missing from my bed. A bone shaped neckroll pillow was one of the few possesions I was given of her, and it was that pillow on which her head rested when she took her last breath.

Every day for weeks after she died, this pillow would 'mysteriously' end up on my two year old daughter's bed. At first I was aggravated with her. It is one of the handful of items I have to remember her by. It's my security blanket, so to speak. After a few weeks of having to retrieve it, it finally dawned on me. My daughter didn't want to take the pillow away from me. She was trying to keep her grandmother close to her. As of this day, that pillow is in her room, on her bed. I just borrow it when I need it.

How Kate could take something so irreplaceable from her daughter is not even conceivable to me. She can keep repeating her little bible verses all she wants, but souless is souless. It was an ornament she was selling, it was Mady's memory of her grandfather.

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate get the turkey award. I can't believe Kate was trying to sell a Christmas ornament from Jon's dad who has passed away. Kate's comment "get over it" was so cold. When someone passes away, you never get over it, you get through it. It's a good thing that Mady saw the ornament. When Christmas came she would have been looking for it. The really sad thing is that Mady is going to remember that for the rest of her life. Kate is going to burn bridges with all of her kids, just like she has done with her family and friends.

Ravello said...

3 Farmers, I love the recap and your style of writing is the best.
Great commentary, laughing out loud.

Anonymous said...

I am not a Kate fan at all, and I have not even seen this episode, but some of you are acting like it's a sin to throw away ANYTHING that was the possession of someone who has passed away. Are you kidding me? I know someone who keeps every single memento that was once owned by her late son, and not only is it a waste of space, it is downright unhealthy! If Mady really did hold a lot of sentimental to this item, then that's fine, but I don't think we should demonize Kate because she was throwing away an old ornament. Once she realized it was important to Mady, she let her keep it. This is a non-issue to me and takes away from the REAL issues at hand.

Anonymous said...

I used to be such a big fan of this show. I read their book and was completely fooled. After reading this site and all the other stories about how Kate treats her family and friends, I feel like an idiot. After watching this episode, Kate's true colors truly came shining through. They're not just "getting by" anymore; they are using their "celebrity" status to earn freebies and trips. It is so disappointing and I feel terrible for those eight beautiful children.

Anonymous said...

I am not a Kate fan at all, and I have not even seen this episode, but some of you are acting like it's a sin to throw away ANYTHING that was the possession of someone who has passed away. Are you kidding me? I know someone who keeps every single memento that was once owned by her late son, and not only is it a waste of space, it is downright unhealthy! If Mady really did hold a lot of sentimental to this item, then that's fine, but I don't think we should demonize Kate because she was throwing away an old ornament. Once she realized it was important to Mady, she let her keep it. This is a non-issue to me and takes away from the REAL issues at hand.

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It's not the issue of not throwing away " ANYTHING that was the possession of someone who has passed away." It's about Kate's blatant disregard and disrespect for Mady's feelings and her deceased FIL.

Kate deserves to be "demonized" because all we see is her behaving like one. She has no heart, no soul, no feelings.

What do you feel are the real issues at hand that aren't being addressed?

Anonymous said...

I used to be such a big fan of this show. I read their book and was completely fooled. After reading this site and all the other stories about how Kate treats her family and friends, I feel like an idiot. After watching this episode, Kate's true colors truly came shining through. They're not just "getting by" anymore; they are using their "celebrity" status to earn freebies and trips. It is so disappointing and I feel terrible for those eight beautiful children.

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A lot of people (including me)were fooled but have come to their senses. The people that continue to justify and defend KON's behavior are the ones that concern me.

Welcome to reality =)

Jodi said...

I am not a Kate fan at all, and I have not even seen this episode, but some of you are acting like it's a sin to throw away ANYTHING that was the possession of someone who has passed away. Are you kidding me? I know someone who keeps every single memento that was once owned by her late son, and not only is it a waste of space, it is downright unhealthy! If Mady really did hold a lot of sentimental to this item, then that's fine, but I don't think we should demonize Kate because she was throwing away an old ornament. Once she realized it was important to Mady, she let her keep it. This is a non-issue to me and takes away from the REAL issues at hand.
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As someone pointed out though, ornaments are packed away until Christmas. How anal and obnoxious do you have to be to go digging through a box of ornaments just to find one your daughter owns that you want to get rid of because it has glitter? I'm sure there are plenty of other things around to sell. Why go digging specifically for this and then not even ask your daughter when it is hers? I guess it's not a non-issue to everyone (though I'm sure since everyone has different perceptions, what is a big issue to you could also be a non-issue to someone else) because it was one thing about this episode that really jumped out and shows just what kind of person she is.

Anonymous said...

I'm working on a theory here, and if anyone out there can help me answer the following questions about IUI, or PCOS I would appreciate it.

1) In order to undergo IUI, do you have to be diagnosed as having specific fertility issues?

2) If you go to a private clinic such as the one Kate used, Reproductive Science Institute, who is not your everyday ObGyn, would they require some sort of evidence?

3) (and this one I mean literally) Can a person who has no fertility issues walk into a clinic such as RSI and just request the services of IUI, and recieve them?

4) What are the reasons a woman would undergo IUI as opposed to IVF?

5) IUI is different that IVF, but concerning the amount of possible babies, which carries more risk of having high multiples? IUI, correct? I'm asking because with IVF don't you know the actual amount implanted first?

I very, very, very strongly suspect that Kate Gosselin doesn't have true issues with fetility, not in the sense where she completely needed to undergo IUI. I understand that she claims to have PCOS, so I am looking into information in regards to this as well. A lot of statements she made are so off the mark, such as "I was impatient and wanted to try IUI immediately". If a couple tries to have a baby but can't, isn't there a certain amount of time alloted (in general) by doctors to at least try before they are declared as having fertility trouble?

And, I know not all doctors are the same but the doctors at my ObGYn's office specialize in everything from contraceptives, to STD treatment and testing, to fertilty treatments. Wouldn't Kate's gyno just treat her for this?

Also, the cost. A newlywed couple, just starting out. She herself new in her own career. Isn't this expensive? To have IUI?

One more thing, Kate states publicly that right before she got pregnant with the tups, she was hospitalized for hyperstimulated ovaries. In searching for IUI info on the web, I very quickly and easily came across procedure protocols clearly stating that hormones given at the time of treatment cause the ovaries to produce eggs, and in essence 'medically controlled hyperstimulation' is part of the game plan. If Kate had spontaneous hyperstimulation, than either 1) her doc wasn't doing his job or 2) someone isn't being completely honest as to who actually was in charge of said treatment. The doc or them.

Things simply do not add up. I'm just trying to make sense of it.

Thaise said...

"Didn't Kate think that maybe Jon's mother might want it for her Christmas tree"

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Jon's mother divorced his dad and got married again long before his death, so I don't think she would be emotionally attached to this type of thing...

I'm not the biggest J&K fan, although I still enjoy watching the show, but I think people are spending too much time criticizing something that's not worthy of so much attention. So what, she decided to sell one ornament out of many others they got from her father-in-law.

I've been reading the posts and most people that are upset with this fact mentioned losing relatives and being attached to things that used to belong to them. Let's keep in mind Poppy was JON'S dad, not Kate's. The one who should've been protective of the ornament didn't seem to mind giving it up, and also sold other things he got from his dad. Some people are just to attached to material things as memories and rather hold on to pictures and stuff. IMO, having accumulated objects and junk times 8, i think any mother would have to make decisions like that... either that or start renting storage rooms to put all the stuff...

spoiledmom said...

qtrfan said:
It is just me, or does some time Kate seems to be medicated sometimes when she is sitting on the couch? After her high-energy biotch mode at the yard sale, it is so strange to see her so calm and looking like it is an effort for her to even speak. Either that or one of her "other personalities" has taken over!

Weird.....

11/26/2008 12:16 PM

YES!! I, too, have noticed the same. In some of the sofa Q&A's Kate's eyes seem to be very heavy. One almost resembles a "lazy eye". In other episodes it is not there. When I have noticed this about her, I have also noticed that there are not many close ups of her.(on sofa Q & A) If there are, they are not for very long. She also uses the word "umm" a lot more during these times.
I have often wondered the same thing. I was going to say maybe due to a lack of sleep, but we all know how Kate loves to sleep in. Glad I am not the only one that noticed! LOL

Anonymous said...

Didn't TLC miss the PR op to air a "Thanksgiving" episode? I would respect J&K so much more if they sat on that couch and showed us pics of the new McMansion that was bought with my jugs of Juicy Juice!

Anonymous said...

Love the re-cap!

Especially when you said that she might send her flying monkeys.I about fell off my chair.

Anonymous said...

In response to anon 9:26

yes generally a diagnosis ofPCOS requires testing. It is possible for a person to know they have problems because of irregular cycles. I only had 2 periods per year. At that point they can move on to IUI or stimulation with timed intercourse. The twins are a totally understandable multiple from IUI. the tups are a little suspicious. From another site that has since been shut down the story is that the original docs refused further treatment stating that she needed to try more on her own so they went to another clinic. The cycles are monitored and is a person is ovestimulated they will cancel the cycle. the possible senario is tht she was hyperstimulated and the cycle was canceled but they still had intercourse.

Jennifer said...

I am not a Kate fan at all, and I have not even seen this episode, but some of you are acting like it's a sin to throw away ANYTHING that was the possession of someone who has passed away.

I don't think it's a sin to get rid of something that once belonged to or was given by a departed loved one, but I *do* think the fact that Kate decided to sell ornaments that apparently belonged to Mady/Cara without *asking their permission* was insensitive and rude, and is just another example of her bad parenting.

Anonymous said...

It's not the issue of not throwing away " ANYTHING that was the possession of someone who has passed away." It's about Kate's blatant disregard and disrespect for Mady's feelings and her deceased FIL.

Mady made her point and Kate agreed quite willingly. I dont recall Kate making or trying to get Mady to give it up. After a short discussion Kate gave the ornament back to Mady with no anger or hestitation. I dont understand the debate over this situation.

Anonymous said...

Let's keep in mind Poppy was JON'S dad, not Kate's. The one who should've been protective of the ornament didn't seem to mind giving it up, and also sold other things he got from his dad

So? What does that have to do with the price of beans. It was an ornament that belonged to Mady, not Kate. Kate should have been respectful (yeah, right) and asked Mady if she would like to donate it to the garage sale.

More Kon sheeple nonsense.

Anonymous said...

1) In order to undergo IUI, do you have to be diagnosed as having specific fertility issues?

***in my situation, the doctors were unable to conclude why I wasn't getting pregnant

2) If you go to a private clinic such as the one Kate used, Reproductive Science Institute, who is not your everyday ObGyn, would they require some sort of evidence?

***I had to submit all records from my OB

3) (and this one I mean literally) Can a person who has no fertility issues walk into a clinic such as RSI and just request the services of IUI, and recieve them?

***not sure about all centers. I went to a well-known fertility center and had to have all the documentation

4) What are the reasons a woman would undergo IUI as opposed to IVF?

***it really depends on each individual. since my tests were inconclusive, I underwent 6 cycles of IUI first (miscarried once) and then went on to IVF (yay! it worked!)

5) IUI is different that IVF, but concerning the amount of possible babies, which carries more risk of having high multiples? IUI, correct? I'm asking because with IVF don't you know the actual amount implanted first?

*** with IVF you know exactly how many eggs were fertilized, and how many of those fertilized eggs are being implanted.

ThreeFarmers said...

I am not a Kate fan at all, and I have not even seen this episode, but some of you are acting like it's a sin to throw away ANYTHING that was the possession of someone who has passed away. Are you kidding me? I know someone who keeps every single memento that was once owned by her late son, and not only is it a waste of space, it is downright unhealthy! If Mady really did hold a lot of sentimental to this item, then that's fine, but I don't think we should demonize Kate because she was throwing away an old ornament. Once she realized it was important to Mady, she let her keep it. This is a non-issue to me and takes away from the REAL issues at hand.

I agree with much of what you say. I've lost several close relatives over the last few year and if I wasn't a tosser, I would be over whelmed with stuff. My sister is a keeper and will not throw out anything because it once belonged to a dead person and it drives me nutty.

However, what we saw on the show with the golf clubs and the Xmas ornament are two cases of people who wanted keep items because they reminded them of something that they shared with the deceased.

I think Jon clearly implied that golf was an activity that he and his father shared. We all know Jon enjoys playing golf. He will probably later regret getting rid of those clubs. They were probably worth keeping.

That ornament was a GIFT from Mady's Poppy. He gave it to her. It wasn't like she was upset that Kate way trying to sell a random sock that Poppy used to wear.

There is a big difference between selling random items that were once owned by the deceased and meaningful things that can never be replaced.

For the record, I have my Grandmother's rocking chair and a few parts from the still my Grandfather used to make that schnapps (among other libations). Both will be with me always.

ashley said...

Yippy Jon and Kate are on all day today.........Do I sound excited, because Im definitely not.

Anonymous said...

" I understand that she claims to have PCOS, so I am looking into information in regards to this as well."

I am not speaking for all because from what I understand from my doctor PCOS can cause infertility in patients. That being said I call Kate out on her "I have PCOS and therefore couldn't conceive without help" speech.

I have PCOS. I also have a daughter that I conceived naturally. PCOS can be treated with medication it also, in very rare cases, can be controlled by diet. Basically patients with PCOS don't experience menstration so they give you the Progestrone part of the birth control pill to make you have a regular cycle.

Knowing from Kate's own mouth that she only waited 5 months after they were married to go have the IUI to have the twins I really doubt, though I admit I am not a medical proffesional and only speaking from personal experience, that she even sought treatment for PCOS before having the IUI. It took about a year for my cycle to regulate using a combination of diet and Progesterone.

This is only my opinion though and like I said I am not a medical doctor, only speaking from my own personal experience.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Kate Gosselin is either Type A or Type B. I think she is a Type C - for Crazy.

Sara said...

I know it doesn't really have much to do with why we're here, but I have to agree with the comments about Kate's hair. How in the world did she come up with the idea for that thing? Wombats, tumors- they all hit the nail on the head. When she got in the truck, there was a shot of her profile from the right side, and it was downright creepy, like a Halloween wig.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I am not a Kate fan at all, and I have not even seen this episode, but some of you are acting like it's a sin to throw away ANYTHING that was the possession of someone who has passed away. Are you kidding me? I know someone who keeps every single memento that was once owned by her late son, and not only is it a waste of space, it is downright unhealthy!

11/26/2008 8:37 PM
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No, are YOU kidding me? I've kept a ton of my sons things and when his daughter, who is now only four, goes through them someday she will hopefully get to know her father through his music and his possesions. Hardly a "waste of space." I really resented what you said and I think you're as arrogant as Kate. Waste of space describes Kate Gosselin. Now I know where to file you too.

DirtyDisher

Anonymous said...

I think keeping some mementos from someone who has passed on is fine and healthy. I do not think you need to keep every single thing

grandee3 said...

They sold the white chair?
I have a white chair too but mine has a nice, soft cushion on it with pretty flowers.
Eat your heart out, Kate!

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Mother Superior Kate made Jon(boy) keep those beloved pine cones that she had him shag while they were in California. Lets save those pine cones because it was MY idea and toss a Christmas ornament that beloved poppy gave Miss Madeline.....Her wedding vows that said that she would be nicer or whatever the hey she said was soon tossed out with the other goodies that went to Goodwill....Sounded good for the camera's though Katie Irenie...

Anonymous said...

While KON is guilty of greed and gluttony,I think most of the blame for "this" type of show,on TLC, rests at the doorstep of Discovery Communications INC. They own TLC,and the buck stops with them in regards to KON. --- IMO---
TLC knows a sucker when it sees one---US.Imagine how wealthy some of it's directors and shareholders(Discovery Comm.INC) have gotten over the past few years with serving us slop shows like KON.Why,they must be laughing all the way to their vacation homes that they've driven to in their BMW's.Ever notice that the bigger percentage of their programming seems to centered around those "oddballs of humanity" from around the world,yes,those down and outers,that are in need of money? When was the last time TLC(Disc.) developed a program around the trials and tribulations of Mental Health issues? Closest they ever came to that,was showing some poor smuck that had a metal spike stuck in their head!Good On Ya,TLC,keep up the good work...
Just for the heck of it,I went to TLC's mainpage,then at the very bottom of the page clicked-on "Coporate". You'll be happy to know that the next offering to be thrown-up by TLC,is a program called "Young Scientist Challenge",to air on Jan.8/09.After reading words like "whirlwind adventure",and "high anxiety",I guess we're in for another winner(or rather whiner,depending on your tastes).Read it for yourself,if you like.Sounds like this won't be limited to in-fighting to only family members,no...they're going to take total strangers,and let them battle it out for....."AMERICA'S TOP YOUNG SCIENTIST!!" Sounds good? I have a funny feeling that this is simply going to be TLC's version of "Big Brother 2009".
Better yet-maybe I'll just delete the channel that has TLC on it from my tv.Problem solved. I really hope the good folks at GWOP don't delete this post---I love the site,the recaps are to die for,and this has been bugging me for a while now.

Anonymous said...

If you have some valuables left overs from your sale you can sell them in your own online garage sale and it's free.

Good Luck

Anonymous said...

I've been a lurker on this forum for months. It makes me laugh. Some of the comments are snark at its best- and I love it.
I've never seen Jon and Kate as devils though. Given similiar I might just jump on the boat too. I married young and had my babies right away. It has taken us quite a few years to get on sound financial footing because of our earlier choices- NO REGRETS THOUGH!!
I am getting to my point. A funny thing happened the other day at work. I was called into a special meeting with my district manager. There were about 10 employees present. Before the meeting began, the D.M. brought up the show. EVERYONE in the room watched it. This is a room filled with 20 somethings to 50 somethings, men and woman. EVERYONE watched. I sat silently and listened to the commentary among my deeply respected co-workers. They all love it. The D.M. is intelligent, well respected and he said what great parents they are. He citied Kates' discipline of the children during the vow renewal ceremony. He thought that it took guts to do that and used this as an example of positive in the moment redirection. The rules are the rules all the time. He said the kids were beautiful and well behaved. He is not a sheeple.
I will no longer lurk this forum. Not because I pass judgement on anything said here, but that being said, I think some of the statements made are on the verge of cyberbullying.
Kate's looks, parent skills, mental health, marriage, extended family relationships, friend relationships, work status, religious standing- every part of the womans life is being but under a microscope 24/7.
No one deserves this. It got very bad AFTER Julie came out of the closet to form a lynch mob AFTER Kate declined to allow Jodi to be paid for the show. Kate being right or wrong does not matter for the sake of THIS arguement. To the owners of this blog- are you at all concerned that this forum is being used as a revenge for a woman scorned?
To the commentors on the speculation that Kate looks medicated- Would you not be after reading some of the things written on this and other blogs?
I know the majority of the active members on this site want to help the kids. Would it not be more productive to organize a picket at the TLC studios or Harrisburg- the Capitol rather than personally insult Kate and to a lesser degree, Jon?
So for the new year- I am giving up this gulity pleasure. I'll sleep better at night.

Anonymous said...

As someone mentioned previously,if KON is cancelled,what are we,ye faithful readers of "THE RECAPS",going to do??Seeing as there's amply programming on TLC to keep RECAP going,would the keepers of GWOP consider taking up the cause for another of TLC'S award-winning programs? I'm thinking RWOP,25WOP....something along those lines.

Tammy said...

This was all damage control...period. That's what alot of the past few shows have been. Enough is enough...cancel the show and give us an update once a year...they were so more likeable then.

Anonymous said...

FINALLY! Comments that are about the actual episode and not just the recap!

Thank you!

Maggie said...

To anon at 2:41: I am speaking for myself, but I am a mod for this blog, and we started this as a place for people to talk when the Television Without Pity site was taken down.

If you read that forum, you would know that discussion was allowed between parties on either side. It got a little heated and a lot of rules came into being.

We pretty much let you say anything here if you use decent grammar, punctuation and are respectful to other posters.

We do not deny any pro-Gosselin posts (I am so tired of that rumor) unless they are telling us to get a life, etc.

We do not argue with other blogs or even discuss them. The mods are accessible by e-mail.

Our readers are leading the discussions. I, personally never signed on to be a child advocate. I like a good snark/debate/conversation.

I do support Paul Peterson and his view of the show. I do think the children are being exploited. I do enjoy the recaps and the conversation here.

Ok, carry on.

Anonymous said...

He is not a sheeple.

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I think he is, as are your other colleagues.

KON's behavior/parenting/treatment of their children/lying is horrible on every level.

I am not trying to be snarky.
I used to be a fan of the show until some of Kate's antics let me to do some Googling, the rest is history. I also used to give Jon a lot of slack because he is the main caregiver in his family, but even he has changed so much for the worse in recent episodes.

Your company meeting is not exactly the appropriate place to launch a heated debate, but why can't you just respectfully agree to disagree with your colleagues?

Oh, BTW: you mentioned your DM applauded Kate's disciplining the kids during the ceremony because "rules are rules all the time", but it's obvious he isn't aware of or has selectively decided to forget ALL the glaring contradictions in Kate's "rules". They vary from child to child, episode to episode, depending on her mood, the damage control she is trying to portray, or to suit her needs at that particular moment. There are very few things I would praise KON on ( if any) and parenting is pretty much at the bottom.

Anonymous said...

To the owners of this blog- are you at all concerned that this forum is being used as a revenge for a woman scorned?
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Who is the woman scorned - Jodi or Julie ? Surely not Kate!

Julie spoke out in support of her sister - don't see ANYTHING wrong with that. And , Jodi only confirmed that she is indeed Julie's sister and everything she said was true.

Sheeple constantly criticize this site for being hateful, supporting "jealous" family members, etc, but REFUSE to see the actions of Jon and Kate as anything but Nobel Prize-worthy.

As for feeling sorry for Kate because she is under a microscope 24/7 - does the saying " you make your bed, now you have to lie in it" ring true (although Kate herself said she doesn't make beds, but you get the gist).

Out of curiosity, what did you think of the recap ? Was there anything that wasn't accurate ?

Anonymous said...

I've noticed that there seem to be a lot of "newcomers" to this site (I've only been here a few months myself). I would like to post a comment from a pro-Gosselin site :

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I think that Kate and Jon are wonderful parents. First of all their kids are obviously happy. Second, countless times on the show I have seen the kids say please and thank you. Of course they are loved! If my husband and I got the chance to quit our jobs to stay home with our kids, I would do it in a heartbeat and I'm sure my husband would too. They may get freebies, but who wouldn't turn down a trip to Hawaii? IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SHOW DON'T WATCH IT!!!

I just don't understand why people have to say terrible things about a women who has a harder job than most of you people with one or two kids!! She has to keep 8 kids who are in 2 totally different age groups entertained and happy. I know I have trouble getting my 2 kids to stay happy for over 30 minutes.

They are giving back to the community in some way, thats probably more than some of you have been able to do. Think of how many people are grateful for the money they donated! And you bloggers have to make the Gosselins seem like terrible people. Reality check..They're not! All you people are is jealous. Once again, IF YOU HATE THE SHOW DON'T WATCH IT (and don't blog things that you have made up about them either).
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This could be the textbook entry for sheeple, and the kind of thinking that I find absolutely unbelievable.

tripletsmom said...

Maggie,

Very well said. If people don't like what's said here, then they don't have to come here.

As far as comments made about Kate's hair, her clothes, the way she acts, etc. etc. She is on national television and comments are going to be made about her just like they are made about anyone on T.V. Sure she deserves to be under a microscope, why not? That's just the way life is and Kate better get used to it.

I'm really tired of people who come here and say "I will no longer lurk this forum." Actions speak louder than words. Then just don't come here. We don't need people like that here. This is an excellent forum for people who like it here. It is fair and balanced. You mods do a super job. :>)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I've been a lurker on this forum for months. It makes me laugh. Some of the comments are snark at its best- and I love it.
I've never seen Jon and Kate as devils though. Given similiar I might just jump on the boat too. I married young and had my babies right away. It has taken us quite a few years to get on sound financial footing because of our earlier choices- NO REGRETS THOUGH!!
I am getting to my point. A funny thing happened the other day at work. I was called into a special meeting with my district manager. There were about 10 employees present. Before the meeting began, the D.M. brought up the show. EVERYONE in the room watched it. This is a room filled with 20 somethings to 50 somethings, men and woman. EVERYONE watched. I sat silently and listened to the commentary among my deeply respected co-workers. They all love it. The D.M. is intelligent, well respected and he said what great parents they are. He citied Kates' discipline of the children during the vow renewal ceremony. He thought that it took guts to do that and used this as an example of positive in the moment redirection. The rules are the rules all the time. He said the kids were beautiful and well behaved. He is not a sheeple.
I will no longer lurk this forum. Not because I pass judgement on anything said here, but that being said, I think some of the statements made are on the verge of cyberbullying.
Kate's looks, parent skills, mental health, marriage, extended family relationships, friend relationships, work status, religious standing- every part of the womans life is being but under a microscope 24/7.
No one deserves this. It got very bad AFTER Julie came out of the closet to form a lynch mob AFTER Kate declined to allow Jodi to be paid for the show. Kate being right or wrong does not matter for the sake of THIS arguement. To the owners of this blog- are you at all concerned that this forum is being used as a revenge for a woman scorned?
To the commentors on the speculation that Kate looks medicated- Would you not be after reading some of the things written on this and other blogs?
I know the majority of the active members on this site want to help the kids. Would it not be more productive to organize a picket at the TLC studios or Harrisburg- the Capitol rather than personally insult Kate and to a lesser degree, Jon?
So for the new year- I am giving up this gulity pleasure. I'll sleep better at night.

11/27/2008 2:41 PM

"Kate's looks, parent skills, mental health, marriage, extended family relationships, friend relationships, work status, religious standing- every part of the womans life is being but under a microscope 24/7."

What about the Gosselin children! You dont think the Gosselin children are being put under a 'microscope' ie, the TLC camera lens? You are right, no one deserves this, especially CHILDREN. I could care less that your deeply respected co workers are fans of the show and have nothing positive to say about J & K. Im sure there are plenty of well respected individuals, in various occupations that are in awe of J & K and inpsired by the 'beautiful and well behaved ' Gosselin children. As if being deeply respected within a work place somehow suggests that their respect within their place of employment speaks as the authority in justifying the actions (child exploitation) and behaviors of J & K, ie 10 of my deeply respected co workers thinks J & K are great so they must be great. How would you feel if these deeply respected co workers were speaking critically of J & K? Would you feel any differently about J & K? This blog site? Your own opinion of J & K and the show? If your deeply respected co workers were all in agreement that J & K are exploiting their children and deserve every negative criticism that comes their way, would that influence how you read what is written on this blog site? What makes this blog site any different from when you sat back silently listening to the J & K commentary of your co workers? Is it because your co workers had nothing but POSITIVE to say about J & K?

momforthekids said...

To anon 2:41

I totally disagree with you that Kate shouldn't be under the microscope 24/7. Maybe if Kate lived up to what she claims, people wouldn't put her under the microscope. It's Kate's own fault that people do that. People catch Kate in lies all the time. She says one thing and does another.

I think that you are confused. In one sentence you say you love this forum, and then in another sentence you say that you will no longer lurk this forum. No one forces you to come here. If you'll sleep better at night by not coming here, then go for it. But I'm sure that you will come back.

Thaise said...

Anon 2:41:

I've been wanting to read something like that for a long time. I've considered posting it but thought that it wouldn't be allowed on the board. IMO As bad as exposing your family on television can be, having people pick on every little aspect of your life, such as looks, relationships and even unimportant/minor everyday decisions sure makes it worse.

I do enjoy a good and healthy debate, but sometimes I read some posts where it seems like the author couldn't find anything valid to criticize, so they talk about something that's really irrelevant - and in many cases people go on and on about it.

I believe the point of the show is really to show people that are not perfect: they yell at their children when they're not supposed to, they are not always patient with each other, they are obsessive and compulsive about things that only they understand. They don't always have the best haircut, make grammar mistakes and have someone correct them. They claim the family only eats certain things and more than often they break their own rules.

That's why the show is a success, because it shows imperfect people leaving their lives. Every single person posting on this message board has major flaws and doesn't always have the best judgment with their children, are mean to their spouses at some point and lose their minds because of something someone did wrong for the 100th time.
As I said before, I love to read different points of view, but sometimes I wish people were more understanding of things and showed a bit more of maturity when trying to make a valid point. I don't know if this is going to make it, but at least now I know I tried. Thanks for taking the initiative and giving me hope that there could still be respectful discussions between people...

LeeAnn said...

What does KON stand for? Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I can't believe they only brought in $1200 with all that stuff. Did they charge next to nothing for everything charity be damned, nobody buy much, or low ball the final count? I make $500-$800 at out multiples club yard sale with a fraction of the stuff. Those "only 2 in the world" custom strollers alone could have brought in almost a grand if they had sold them right. Sell those on a triplets+ website not at a yard sale. They could have easily gotten $400-500 for those strollers on Triplet Connection and donated that.

Anonymous said...

could care less that your deeply respected co workers are fans of the show and have nothing positive to say about J & K. Im sure there are plenty of well respected individuals, in various occupations that are in awe of J & K and inpsired by the 'beautiful and well behaved ' Gosselin children."

Those are my thoughts as well. I was going to respond by saying I couldn't work at a place where everyone in a meeting praised KON as being great parents. I'd feel as I were in a nightmare. That is just not the norm. In any given group I'm sure you could find plenty who see them for what they are. It would be creepy to work with those "well respected people". Also, I'm sure the person who wrote the original comment will see these, as people who make announcements that they are never coming back to a forum are hardly ever telling the truth.

Anonymous said...

Let me get this straight--someone claims to come here regulary and enjoy the snarky comments and think they are funny. But one day a bunch of people at the office, including one guy "who is not a sheeple" fawn all over KON and say what great parents they are. So this person decides the comments that she thought were funny are bordering on bullying and decides to never come here again. Wow. I'd hate to see what would happen if they offered her a chance to try out some funny smelling weed they had with them. Is this person always so easily led? Scary!

Anonymous said...

"It's not the issue of not throwing away " ANYTHING that was the possession of someone who has passed away." It's about Kate's blatant disregard and disrespect for Mady's feelings and her deceased FIL."

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Did you miss the part where Kate realized that Maddy wanted to keep it and Kate told her she could? I think Kate having "blatant disregard and disrespect for Madys feelings" would have been if she told her no. But she gave it back to her.

Ilovemykids said...

That's why the show is a success, because it shows imperfect people leaving their lives

Yawn, more Kon "sheeple" nonsense. The show is a success because people like to watch freak shows. Go look at some of the other shows on TLC - "BIg as Life: Obesity on America", "I eat 33,00 calories a day", "The 750 pound man", "2 Ton Mom", etc., etc., The reason J&K is a success is because of the "freak show" Kate puts on every weak. The kids have become an afterthought. Soon, the viewing public will get sick of Kate's nastiness and meltdowns on a weekly basis.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe they only brought in $1200 with all that stuff. Did they charge next to nothing for everything charity be damned, nobody buy much, or low ball the final count? I make $500-$800 at out multiples club yard sale with a fraction of the stuff. Those "only 2 in the world" custom strollers alone could have brought in almost a grand if they had sold them right. Sell those on a triplets+ website not at a yard sale. They could have easily gotten $400-500 for those strollers on Triplet Connection and donated that.

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If the proceeds were going into Katie Irene's pockets, you can bet that the entire yard sale would have been completely different : the tables would have been set up before they arrived, the PRODCEEDS sign would have been perfect, they would have made triple the amount they did. The sale didn't directly benefit her, so she didn't put much effort into it (although, she seems to forget the $$$$ she is making from filming the actual episode).

Oh, and the fact that there weren't a million buyers is a huge factor - KON's reputation was too well known.

Anonymous said...

I see the KON sheeple spent their Thanksgiving, not with their families, but with attempting to turn this argument from KON onto the posters on this blog.

Your actions and motives never change. I'm still astounded that you sheeple can watch this woman/man week after week and still think they have some redeeming value. I certainly have sympathy for any spouse or children you may have, because your priorities are in the wrong place.

Anonymous said...

That's why the show is a success, because it shows imperfect people leaving their lives.

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I RESPECTFULLY disagree. I am in imperfect parent, no doubt about that. Kate and Jon are TERRIBLE parents. Big difference.

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As I said before, I love to read different points of view, but sometimes I wish people were more understanding of things and showed a bit more of maturity when trying to make a valid point.

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I don't UNDERSTAND why we should be more understanding of people who are selfish, greedy liars. I honestly try to give people the benefit of the doubt - I'm a Libra, it's in my blood. But when I see people that truly don't care about anything but themselves, freebies, fame and $, and who treat others like crap, they lose my respect very quickly. And when said people continue to behave so horribly instead of trying to do the right thing , they do not deserve anything but the negative comments coming to them.

Pam said...

notice that the bigger percentage of their programming seems to centered around those "oddballs of humanity" from around the world,yes,those down and outers,that are in need of money?

This is the nature and purpose of TLC. If you want to see cartoons watch the Cartoon Network If you want to see food watch the Food Network. If you want to see golf, watch the Golf Network, etc etc. If you want to see unusual personal stories watch TLC. If you dont, then simply turn the channel. There is room on the cable dial for all sorts of TV. You dont have to watch it all.

Anonymous said...

We pretty much let you say anything here if you use decent grammar, punctuation and are respectful to other posters.

Shouldnt we be respectful to the G's also? Doesn't everyone deserve a little basic human respect?

Anonymous said...

Sheeple constantly criticize this site for being hateful, supporting "jealous" family members, etc, but REFUSE to see the actions of Jon and Kate as anything but Nobel Prize-worthy.

I beg to differ. I do think this site is hateful and jealousy is an issue with some posters. However I an not a Kate lover or supporter. There are many people with views like mine. Why is it so black and white? People either have to be totally against J&K or they are a 'sheeple' (totally annoying and offensive term BTW) Is there no middle ground allowed?

Anonymous said...

For those who think that K&J are the end all of parenting please consider this. Kate admits that Jon gets the kids up and dressed. She has said in early episodes that she doesnt get up early. If the kids are in bed by 8:30 that means 12 hours or so of child care for 6 of the 8. The older two can do for themselves and help out also. One person,and 6 four year olds. The ratio in our daycare is one person to 12 four year olds and many of the children are there for up to 10 hours (7am to 5pm) And when it comes to quiet time events, like reading a book or attending a wedding, those kids would be sitting quietly in their chair and definitely listening to the caregiver. Poor Jenny looks like she is swatting at flies sometimes.
Taking care of 6 two year olds is one thing but taking care of 6 four year olds is a different matter, people do that all the time and are paid poorly for it.

Breanna said...

LeeAnn: Kon is a mix of Jon and Kate's names, used to refer to both of them. Also a funny play on words when you think about it

Anonymous said...

"Shouldnt we be respectful to the G's also? Doesn't everyone deserve a little basic human respect?"

When they show basic human respect to those around them, then I'll show them some respect. Until then they put themselves on TV acting like jackasses so they are fair game, IMO

Anonymous said...

OK, to the poster who said they were pulled into themeeting at work:

Where do you work?

Because I can not even imagine amake believe scenario whereI go into work, and I get called into a meeting that revolves around the lifestyle of KON.

Unless of course, I worked for Figure 8....

Anonymous said...

Did you miss the part where Kate realized that Maddy wanted to keep it and Kate told her she could? I think Kate having "blatant disregard and disrespect for Madys feelings" would have been if she told her no. But she gave it back to her.
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I saw it, thanks.

The ornament was not Kate's to sell , and should not have been on that table without Mady's consent.

And I believe I also heard Kate say something like "get over it".

And finally, when Mady is telling Kate she wanted to keep the ornament, I believe Kate was too busy with her iPhone to even look at Mady.

Anonymous said...

Sending her flying monkeys...Someone should throw a bucket of water on her...

Too funny, you all, and right on the money with those comments.

Also as to her medication, I wish Kate were medicated and I hope she has seen someone for her many, many personality problems. Maybe medication is exactly what she needs. I know I needed it (whatever they had) when I used to watch the show.

peppypen said...

Sell those on a triplets+ website not at a yard sale. They could have easily gotten $400-500 for those strollers on Triplet Connection and donated that
The only reason to do that would be if giving to the charity was the major goal of the sale. In this case, creating an episode for a TV program was first and foremost the goal in holding the sale. There's no way to build an episode around Jon sitting in the closet posting on a message board, so they had to go the yard sale route.

In the past, when it was for their own benefit, J&K did, in fact, sell items online on their own website; including things that had been donated to them which they had promised to donate to others.

More proof that this 'yard sale' was all about the show and not about raising as much as possible for the charity is in the execution. Kate herself said that she has always held an annual yard sale. Then why didn't she know enough to advertise it? Or to bring cleaning supplies for the tables? Or to price the items first? Because, IMO, she really didn't give a cr** about getting as big a donation as possible, it was all about filling another half hour of TV and collecting her 5 figure paycheck.

If J&K had really cared about this charity, they'd have also donated a portion of the hefty paycheck they received for filming the yard sale for their show. The actual amount raised at the sale was less than 2% of what they probably make for the show, based on what other reality show families are paid.

Anonymous said...

"The ornament was not Kate's to sell , and should not have been on that table without Mady's consent."

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This is almost laughable. Can you imagine if Kate consulted Cara, Mady, Alexis, Leah, Colin, Aaden, Hannah and Joel for all of those items?!?! They wouldnt have been able to sell anything, the kids would have wanted to keep everything. Kate gave it back, lets move on.

Anonymous said...

Here's my .02 for the poster who had questions about PCOS/IUI/ etc.

1) In order to undergo IUI, do you have to be diagnosed as having specific fertility issues?

In our case, we were diagnosed with "unexplained infertility" - no known cause. This was enough for us to be candidates for treatments. (The diagnosis came after pretty invasive testing - including surgery for me)
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2) If you go to a private clinic such as the one Kate used, Reproductive Science Institute, who is not your everyday ObGyn, would they require some sort of evidence?

In our case, we used our clinic for testing and treatment. I did not see an Ob/Gyn, rather, my physician was a reproductive endocrinologist, who worked out of a Women's Health Center (ironically, at Hershey Medical Center, where the tups were born).
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3) (and this one I mean literally) Can a person who has no fertility issues walk into a clinic such as RSI and just request the services of IUI, and recieve them?

I don't know.
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4) What are the reasons a woman would undergo IUI as opposed to IVF?

My husband and I chose IUI as we felt it was the least invasive of the two methods. We had some qualms about the costs and methods for IVF (this was a personal issue for us, we don't have an issue with others taking this route). IVF is a more invasive procedure due to the eggs being removed and then reinplanted.
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5) IUI is different that IVF, but concerning the amount of possible babies, which carries more risk of having high multiples? IUI, correct? I'm asking because with IVF don't you know the actual amount implanted first?

We were warned about the risk of multiples with IUI. We were also told that if the ovaries were over/hyperstimulated that we'd scrap the cycle. My doctor was very clear that they would not risk impregnating me with more babies than I could safely carry. Theirs was a very conservative approach. (This may have been in part due to my age, as I was 34 at the time).
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In terms of the cost, I want to point out that our insurance covered our costs - we just made office visit co-pays. We did pay a higher monthly amount for our plan (they covered other things at a better rate than the lower cost plans offered by my employer). Not all folks pursuing fertility treatments are paying out of pocket.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
OK, to the poster who said they were pulled into themeeting at work:

Where do you work?

Because I can not even imagine amake believe scenario whereI go into work, and I get called into a meeting that revolves around the lifestyle of KON.

Unless of course, I worked for Figure 8....

11/28/2008 9:45 AM

IMO, when deeply respected co workers are eager and willing to discuss the positive portrayal of the lifestyle of J & K at a round table meeting on company time, it was per the instruction of a TLC/Figure 8 production inter office memo.

Anonymous said...

I went to the link for www.photobucket.com,and saw what all we suckers bought for the queen Kate's mansion.Unbelievable,and unbelievably crass.No,there won't be any "little friends" invited over there anytime soon,or anyone else for that matter.

machinegunsmom said...

I had another thought about the ornament debaucle...sell off priceless gifts from Poppy that can't be replaced...keep pictures of the kids' first dumps...priorities, huh?

A lot of people commented about how ornaments have to packed away for 11 months out of the year and September (when the yard sale took place, I think) is one of those months...she would have had to be on a mission to be a hag to have taken that ornament out of their Christmas boxes to put on the yard sale.

Or maybe this was one big ploy for attention because the show spends half its time marketing Kate as a nasty bitch and the other half doing damage control for it...I'm sure the next episode will be filled with pro-Poppy propaganda.

By the way, "I so wish Kate would reach into her Coach bag of useless neurotic tendencies and find some coping skills" was the best possible way you could have put that.

Would anyone else much rather watch a nice Christmas at home like they had in a previous season than watch the Gosselins parade around pretending to be charitable? I wonder if they're just trying to avoid unveiling the new manse yet...

Anonymous said...

Why is it so black and white? People either have to be totally against J&K or they are a 'sheeple' (totally annoying and offensive term BTW) Is there no middle ground ...
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I personally don't see it as black and white but rather right or wrong. KON have the uncanny talent of always choosing the wrong path.

As far as the term sheeple, again, personally I find it the perfect terminology to describe those who think Jon and Kate are great. JMO.

Anonymous said...

IMO, when deeply respected co workers are eager and willing to discuss the positive portrayal of the lifestyle of J & K at a round table meeting on company time, it was per the instruction of a TLC/Figure 8 production inter office memo...

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seriously, doesn't your DM have more pressing topics to discuss ?

Anonymous said...

Just curious guys,
Jon's family was really wealthy, right? Do you suppose KON got any of the inheritance when Jon's father passed? Do you think Queen Bittercup was selling the ornament out of spite?
That's really similar to my FORMER friend selling her step-mothers rocking chair that her son adored when she didn't get a 'big enough' inheritance. (Yeah, *rolls eyes*, disgusting, I know)

Anonymous said...

TEEHEE! Here's the perfect Christmas gift for Katie Irene....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27957034/

Anonymous said...

Here's another thought. Why do I think of William Shatner yelling
!KHANNNNN!....when I hear the word KON? Can Katie Irene yell as loud,or louder than, Capt.Kirk?! Me thinks she can(and usually at the kids or DH).And given the new digs they're moving into,she'll have plenty of oportunity to screech at the top of her lungs if she so chooses to do so,except it'll be more like !JONNNNNN!.Of course I'm taking libertys with this post,so all you KON lovers,like "Don't have a meltdown,okay?" If you take your task of loving everything "gosselin",that seriously,that you can't handle a bit of good nature ribbing,then take your sorry selves back over to TLC,the "wonder of all wonders" channel.Or as we call it over here-"The Loser Channel".And for you KON lovers,that say we're being unfairly harsh when talking about Queen KON(maybe we should just call her Queen Kong?),I agree with so many others-if you're willing to have yourself,and your innocent family plastered all over the airwaves,then "look out",you've agreed to open your life to compliments,complaints,and run of the mill nasty people.You wanted the money and fame,Kate Gosselin(and to a lesser degree Jon),so get over it,dearie.Like others have said--"you've made your bed,now lay in it".Don't you dare blame other citizens for your problems connected with KON-you agreed to it,it's made you financially comfortable,and no one cares what your opinion is anymore,Katie Irene.You're not that good Kate,so stop patting yourself on the back.Try being a parent for a change,instead of a diva.We owe you nothing.

Anonymous said...

Jon's family was really wealthy, right? Do you suppose KON got any of the inheritance when Jon's father passed? Do you think Queen Bittercup was selling the ornament out of spite?
That's really similar to my FORMER friend selling her step-mothers rocking chair that her son adored when she didn't get a 'big enough' inheritance. (Yeah, *rolls eyes*, disgusting, I know)

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I think it's been established here that they did receive an inheritance when Jon's father passed away. This money supposedly helped pay for their house (don't know if it was the first or second one) and they had some of it still in the bank when they began crying "poor."

If Jon's dad was as hands-on with the twins as it sounds like he was, he probably gave them tons of gifts over the years. Maybe Kate forgot the ornaments came from him or didn't realize how much Mady cared about them. Not that I'm defending Kate, but with all those freebies coming in and out of her house, she might have trouble keeping track of who gave who what.

Anonymous said...

Pardon the pun, but I'd rather kiss a toilet seat than buy Kate's filthy potties

Anonymous said...

Follow the yellow (GOLD) brick road $kate$

Anonymous said...

Kon gives new meaning to the saying "pimp my bling".No,really--"pimp my bling"

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:41 (from yesterday) sounds a lot like the "relative" who popped up all of a sudden (on another thread) to defend KON after another well-received relative posted her non-positive recollection about the events of KONS shameless HI ceremony.

Anonymous said...

These two people need stage managers badly. Kate is saying 'um' far more than she used to (as in "donating to the Um Pediatric Cancer Um Research") and I noticed poor Jon has developed a tic. When you watch the yard sale rerun for the fiftieth time this week you'll catch his eyes disappearing upwards and to the right, and not in his usual Oh geez here we go again Kate rolling of eyes, either. Now I'm not making light of it because a tic is a serious sign of built up anxiety and stress. Perhaps we can have an episode of him visiting a therapist in the near future? I'm dying to see him punch a few pillows and scream Kates name over and over.

Seriously, TLC needs to have a "Meltdown" epi to up the ratings. The latest show was boringly boring.

peppypen said...

I'm an OB/GYN (generalist, not infertility)

1) In order to undergo IUI, do you have to be diagnosed as having specific fertility issues?

You have to be evaluated, though many couples with infertility don't ever get a specific diagnosis.

In Kate's case, she obviously had not tried for a year, which is usually the way to 'prove' a couple in their 20's is infertile. However, if she had very irregular cycles; most docs wouldn't make her wait an entire year if there was an obvious problem. They'd just do basic testing for ovulation with a temperature chart or urine or blood testing and start treatment.

2) If you go to a private clinic such as the one Kate used, Reproductive Science Institute, who is not your everyday ObGyn, would they require some sort of evidence?

They'd get the records for all the basic testing from the patient's regular OB/GYN in most cases. Any tests that weren't already done, they'd do themselves. In general,all of the basic fertility tests can be completed in a month or two at most; there's only a few things to do: a sperm count, ovulation check (blood, urine or temperature chart) and an Xray with dye to make sure the tubes are open. That's it. If any of those areas is abnormal, specific treatment can be started immediately.

I don't have a big problem believing that Kate had very irregular cycles and got the testing and started treatment very quickly.

However, most infertility specialists would start treating with Clomid, a pill to induce ovulation, rather than HMG, the shot that Kate received because Clomid is much cheaper, safer and needs much less monitoring. It can take several months to find the right dose of Clomid and see if it works. It seems like Kate skipped this step. Also, most docs would not go immediately to IUI with someone who was anovulatory because it is also invasive and more expensive than doing it the old fashioned way, especially in a very young couple like J&K. In addition, most insurance plans would require proof that the more basic, less expensive, methods had been tried and not worked before they'd pay for the more expensive and invasive treatments.
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3) (and this one I mean literally) Can a person who has no fertility issues walk into a clinic such as RSI and just request the services of IUI, and recieve them?

Not in any reputable fertility clinic in the US. In addition, anyone who expects their insurance to cover unnecessary fertility treatments needs to take another look. Kate received fertility treatments costing in excess of $10,000 to conceive her kids, that's more than most people would pay out of pocket.
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4) What are the reasons a woman would undergo IUI as opposed to IVF?

5) IUI is different that IVF, but concerning the amount of possible babies, which carries more risk of having high multiples? IUI, correct? I'm asking because with IVF don't you know the actual amount implanted first?

IUI is much less invasive, less risky to the mom in general and much less expensive. Many insurance companies won't pay for IVF until ovulation induction and IUI have been tried and failed.

All reputable clinics carefully monitor their patients for the number of follicles present and recommend avoiding coitus or insemination if there are more than a few present.

They are also very careful to counsel their patients as to the possibility of HOM's and to discuss their feelings about selective reduction. Kate has said that she and Jon were very adamant and forthright, telling their doctor from the very start that they would never, ever, under any circumstances, consider reduction. Most docs would take that very seriously and be even more careful to avoid any cycle where HOM's were more likely, especially in the case of a young woman like Kate who had literally years of fertility ahead of her.

This is the reason that some of us question Kate's story of her conception of the 'tups and wonder if she didn't ignore the doctors and proceed with either intercourse or self-insemination when told she had at least 4 developing follicles and was hospitalized for hyperstimulation.

BTW, women with PCOS are very prone to hyperstimulation, which is another reason why I wonder why Kate apparently never tried Clomid or at least, didn't try it long enough to find out if it would work.

Anonymous said...

Shouldnt we be respectful to the G's also? Doesn't everyone deserve a little basic human respect?

Nope. Respect is not a birthright; it has to be EARNED. Child exploitation is anything but "respectable".

Anonymous said...

I noticed his eyes too, weird looking..

Anonymous said...

It amazes me that some of you think Kate's behavior is acceptable and heathy to be around.
No one should be belittled by another person.
History has proven that children that grow up in front of a public camera have many difficulties adjusting to a normal life. History has proven that some childhood experiences effect the mental well being of children, having them filmed and living them over and over again is not healthy.
There are plenty jobs children use to perform that are no longer allowed because of child labor laws. We would not think of letting our children perform some of those jobs because we as a society have evolved. There is no real study to relate to reality TV for such young children because of it's infancy but to have all of your idiosyncrasies taped to follow you through life can not be healthy.
There are many values and life lessons that these children are not learning because of their early celebrity.
I also find it amazing that filming a child using the toilet is okay. To those that find their parenting skills excellent, Do you invite those visiting you home into the bathroom to watch your children use the toilet? Do you think it is okay to belittle your husband in front of your children?
Do you think it is okay for Mady to see her behavior broadcasted to the entire viewing public?
There are a lot of comments that can be considered out of line but, I think people are so dumbfounded by the behavior on this show they look at physical aspects to help explain or confirm their opinion of this family.
Every single action has a positive or negative reaction. When there is so much negativity being shown the reaction to these children will be negative to their mental health. That ladies and gentlemen is a given. Relate it to your own life, we all have life experiencies that we do not like and wished would have never happened. Can you imagine them being on film? Can you imagine the viewing public to be priviy? If you can relate what is being filmed to your own life you can not honestly say that it would be a positive experience for you and most of us are adults. Can you imagine if we were children.
Children need friends, secrets and be able to use their imaginations in private. Moreover, children need to be able to mess up and learn but not in front of millions of people.

Just wow said...

Anonymous said...
We pretty much let you say anything here if you use decent grammar, punctuation and are respectful to other posters.

Shouldnt we be respectful to the G's also? Doesn't everyone deserve a little basic human respect?

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Um, hello? Do you know what this blog is called? Do you know that this is someone's blog even? There is zero requirement here to be respectful of KON! Let me assure you of that.

Anonymous said...

As this was playing my husband who rarely watches it was in the living room. He has commented about "the hair" before, asking what that rooster thing was in the back, but this time he says, "TLC seriously needs to invest some money in fixing her hair". : )
Shortly after that when she was ranting and making excuses why she could not load the truck because she had to stand around and wait for tablecloths he commented that if I was anything like that we would have divorced long ago. How does Jon get up every morning and look at himself in the mirror? Sucks to be him..

Beth said...

I thought on the couch Jon looked like his eyes were crossed.

Anonymous said...

With all the new sheeple comments it appears the person who said they were never coming back has indeed come back! As to whether KON deserves respect--not only do I not respect KON, but I don't respect sheeple who blindly follow them and think they are great parents and people.

Anonymous said...

Kind of off topic...but has anyone else noticed this about Kate: When she and Jon are on the couch, everytime she answers a question or makes a comment, she HAS to turn to Jon. Maybe for validation? Or maybe to give him the stink-eye as a warning not to contradict her? I don't know. But it drives me nuts!

Anonymous said...


Shouldnt we be respectful to the G's also? Doesn't everyone deserve a little basic human respect?

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Um, hello? Do you know what this blog is called? Do you know that this is someone's blog even? There is zero requirement here to be respectful of KON! Let me assure you of that.


Um, hello? Then the reason this blog exists is to be rude and disrespectful to the Gosselins? Well, my bad, I thought it was to advocate for the kids! GeeWiz.. silly me.

pam said...

As to whether KON deserves respect--not only do I not respect KON, but I don't respect sheeple who blindly follow them and think they are great parents and people.

There is something called 'middle ground'. where I know I stand, and many others do too. I dont agree with everything (not much actually) J&K do but I certainly don't believe in calling people 'sheeple' or using the term KON, or calling people crazy etc etc, just because I dont agree with them on certain ideas. I guess I think people deserve basic respect even if we dont agree with their opinions, parenting methods, coping skills, hair styles or whatever. Making fun of people 'because you can' is wrong, IMO.

SueM said...

I posted this on another thread and it bears repeating here:

To anon 2:41 and other confused souls out there: "The Twins Cook" aka "Joelgate" is currently running on cables "On Demand". Watch it and you'll see everything we dislike about Kate in one episode. She belittles Jon ("EXCUSE ME Do you have to BREATHE so loud!!" and "You should wear your glasses all the time then you would at least LOOK intelligent"). She expects Jon to drive the twins to cooking class even though he can't see because of a cornea scratch. (They actually show him driving off as the voiceover says "I can't wear my contacts but I can't see without them") She comments about Mady in a couch interview. She favors the girls over the boys. The girls behavior is in need of correction but nothing is said to them while a very sick Joel is given a timeout for wetting his pants. She just can't bring herself to cut him some slack that day. And of course putting a very sick Joel on the laundry room floor and ignoring him completely (after yelling at him for vomiting on his comforter).

It's a one-episode montage of Kate at her worst! I wouldn't call this "great parenting".

Christine said...

Anonymous said...
I've been a lurker on this forum for months. It makes me laugh. Some of the comments are snark at its best- and I love it.
I've never seen Jon and Kate as devils though. Given similiar I might just jump on the boat too. I married young and had my babies right away. It has taken us quite a few years to get on sound financial footing because of our earlier choices- NO REGRETS THOUGH!!
I am getting to my point. A funny thing happened the other day at work. I was called into a special meeting with my district manager. There were about 10 employees present. Before the meeting began, the D.M. brought up the show. EVERYONE in the room watched it. This is a room filled with 20 somethings to 50 somethings, men and woman. EVERYONE watched. I sat silently and listened to the commentary among my deeply respected co-workers. They all love it. The D.M. is intelligent, well respected and he said what great parents they are. He citied Kates' discipline of the children during the vow renewal ceremony. He thought that it took guts to do that and used this as an example of positive in the moment redirection. The rules are the rules all the time. He said the kids were beautiful and well behaved. He is not a sheeple.
I will no longer lurk this forum. Not because I pass judgement on anything said here, but that being said, I think some of the statements made are on the verge of cyberbullying.
Kate's looks, parent skills, mental health, marriage, extended family relationships, friend relationships, work status, religious standing- every part of the womans life is being but under a microscope 24/7.
No one deserves this. It got very bad AFTER Julie came out of the closet to form a lynch mob AFTER Kate declined to allow Jodi to be paid for the show. Kate being right or wrong does not matter for the sake of THIS arguement. To the owners of this blog- are you at all concerned that this forum is being used as a revenge for a woman scorned?
To the commentors on the speculation that Kate looks medicated- Would you not be after reading some of the things written on this and other blogs?
I know the majority of the active members on this site want to help the kids. Would it not be more productive to organize a picket at the TLC studios or Harrisburg- the Capitol rather than personally insult Kate and to a lesser degree, Jon?
So for the new year- I am giving up this gulity pleasure. I'll sleep better at night.

11/27/2008 2:41 PM
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I'm glad you'll sleep better at night. Really. That's great. I sure hope the twins and tups will be sleeping better at night in a few years when the reality of this show and what their parents have done to their childhoods will be in full focus, having then established "lifelong memories" and all. And then the pier ridicule and harrassment will no likely set in. Gee I hope sleeping better at night will come for Collin, Joel, Alexis, Aaden, Hannah and Leah, not to mention Cara and Mady. I really hope so.

As far as Kate and Jon goes, why should they be treated any differently than any other celebrity in the public eye? Parents that are celebrities get hammered all the time for their on camera and off camera remarks, actions and escapades. Jon and Kate are no different. Why should they be treated any differently? If they don't like the criticism, they can ALWAYS turn off the cameras and close the doors. But they won't. Because they love the money coming in too much. Because they don't want to work and make an HONEST living. Selling out your kids childhoods is MUCH easier for them. It really is.

And you and your 'co-workers' (if that story is even true - hard to believe actually) are really in a state of denial if you don't think that what they're doing is nothing short of child exploitation for personal financial gain. And crying poverty at church engagements will just bite them in the ass one day. I truly believe karma will hit Jon and Kate Gosselin one day for what they have done and are currently doing.

Anonymous said...

There is something called 'middle ground'. where I know I stand, and many others do too. I dont agree with everything (not much actually) J&K do but I certainly don't believe in calling people 'sheeple' or using the term KON, or calling people crazy etc etc, just because I dont agree with them on certain ideas. I guess I think people deserve basic respect even if we dont agree with their opinions, parenting methods, coping skills, hair styles or whatever. Making fun of people 'because you can' is wrong, IMO.
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I want to try to explain my POV:

* using KON - I use it not only because it is easier than writing Kate & Jon, but also because I feel it truly represents who they are - con artists. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck....

* using sheeple - there may be many people who , like you, are more in the middle,but there are also MANY others who
will not/cannot/refuse to see Jon & Kate for who they really are. If these people are blind enough, ignorant enough or stupid enough to not see past a lifestyle they themselves covet, then yes, they deserve to be called sheeple.

* making fun - personally, I don't make too many comments that make fun of Kate or Jon. However, when they do nothing but make jacka$$e$ out of themselves on national television week after week, then they are fair game. KON do nothing BUT give us non-sheeple ammunition on which to comment. The fact that the comments are negative are nobody's fault but KON. The recent episodes show only 2 sides of KON (especially Kate): terrible parenting or obvious damage control. There is no middle ground with them, and no middle ground with me, but that's JMO.

Anonymous said...

As far as Kate and Jon goes, why should they be treated any differently than any other celebrity in the public eye? Parents that are celebrities get hammered all the time for their on camera and off camera remarks, actions and escapades. Jon and Kate are no different. Why should they be treated any differently? If they don't like the criticism, they can ALWAYS turn off the cameras and close the doors. But they won't. Because they love the money coming in too much. Because they don't want to work and make an HONEST living. Selling out your kids childhoods is MUCH easier for them. It really is.
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Christine, I agree with everything you said except : please don't call KON celebrities . That's an insult to true celebrities with talent !

I liken KON to Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt - another couple that is well-known for not really doing anything except being stupid. At least Heidi and Spencer don't rely on children to pave the way for them.

Anonymous said...

I guess I think people deserve basic respect even if we dont agree with their opinions, parenting methods, coping skills, hair styles or whatever. Making fun of people 'because you can' is wrong, IMO.
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Um, is someone holding guns to peoples' heads and forcing them to read Gosselins Without Pity? Sure seems like it lately.

Anonymous said...

Well, my bad, I thought it was to advocate for the kids! GeeWiz.. silly me.
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:::sigh::: here we go again. How many times have the mods had to explain this now? Nowhere does it state that there is one sole purpose of this blog!

Anonymous said...

I guess I think people deserve basic respect even if we dont agree with their opinions, parenting methods, coping skills, hair styles or whatever. Making fun of people 'because you can' is wrong, IMO.
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Um, is someone holding guns to peoples' heads and forcing them to read Gosselins Without Pity? Sure seems like it lately.


Not at all, but no one is forcing anyone to watch the show either. And judging from some of the comments, it sure is a painful process. Yet, they keep on watching.

Maggie said...

This thread is really off topic of the Recap. A recap is from the point of view of the author. We have had several authors of recaps here, and they provide us with a snarky, humorous look at the show. It is not intended as a serious re-enactment.

Recaps are a tradition on many blogs about television, and we have some of the best recappers there are.

Sometimes you need to have a laugh, and I understand that it is not everyone's sense of humor, but they are what they are. We are very greatful to have our talented writers.

Anonymous said...

I guess I think people deserve basic respect even if we dont agree with their opinions, parenting methods, coping skills, hair styles or whatever. Making fun of people 'because you can' is wrong, IMO.
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If you really feel making fun of people 'because you can is wrong'
Do you not feel it is wrong when Kate continuously tells the camera "we all know about Jon's vocab", incorrectly corrects his grammar, makes fun of his weight and makes fun of his hair? I guess it's entertainmant so it is acceptable behavior. Boy, that's the pot and kettle, isn't it.

Anonymous said...

What is the Reading Eagle site
mentioned in one of the blogs???
I'm cross-eyed by trying to find it. Please and Thanks.

Maggie said...

Another reason we are grateful for our writers is because they can spell "grateful" unlike my previous comment.

Tigerfan said...

Anonymous said...

Shouldnt we be respectful to the G's also? Doesn't everyone deserve a little basic human respect?

Why should J & K Gosselin be exempt from the viewer opinion and criticism that surround any other television personality? I am under no obligation to respect J & K Gosselin above and beyond that of the entertainment value TLC represents them as.

ThreeFarmers said...

Personally, I tend to respect people who behave in a respectful way.

Tell me. What is respectful about making a living off the backs of your children and allowing those children to be filmed during some of their most private moments?

What is respectful about expecting the public to support your family and to continue to ask for "love offerings" even though you are more well off than your contributors?

If I see Kate waking down the street, I probably won't trip her. At this point, that's about as far as I'll go in offering the Gosselins basic human respect.

Anonymous said...

peppypen,
I think that Kate wanted to have alot of babies so that she could do what she's doing. She's a nurse, and she knew what could and would happen. I think she was hoping to have as many babies as she could so she could get "famous." There is something about Kate that I just don't trust.

Anonymous said...

Um, is someone holding guns to peoples' heads and forcing them to read Gosselins Without Pity? Sure seems like it lately.

Not at all, but no one is forcing anyone to watch the show either. And judging from some of the comments, it sure is a painful process. Yet, they keep on watching.
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But people who do not want to read comments from others complaining about the show they didn't have to watch can just choose not to read this blog. Problem solved. Why does it have to come down to hand slapping and telling people how they should and should not feel about KON? : )

Anonymous said...

I have a question that doesn't refer to this specific episode but a recent one, I'm not sure which. Which episode did Cara chop all her hair off to mady's length and Mady did not want to get her hair cut but kate forced her? Does anyone know

Anonymous said...

I haven't watched the show for the past few months--the recaps are sooo much better,and so much funnier.Keep up the good work,all you recap people,your contributions make visiting this site worth the effort.I get a smile on my face after stopping in here for a while--seems to me,I never got many smiles,or chuckles from watching J&KP8.The show's become boring,the kids aren't cute anymore,and Kate's just mean-spirited to everyone around her.A real "yawner" of a program.

Anonymous said...

I've come across a few posters that are having trouble finding the "readingeagle" blog/article on KON.It's a good blog-I've read it,and the attached comments.
www.readingeagle.com
Click on where it says "Bergs Blogs". Then click on "Als' Blog". In the right hand bar-it says "Joe the Plumber could take a few pointers from the Gosselins",or something to that effect. Click that.There's your article. Enjoy!

Anonymous said...

peppypen,
I think that Kate wanted to have alot of babies so that she could do what she's doing. She's a nurse, and she knew what could and would happen. I think she was hoping to have as many babies as she could so she could get "famous." There is something about Kate that I just don't trust.

I think that you are on to something that many people do not admit or discuss. When Kate took meds to increase her egg production, she was hospitalized with over active ovaries. And "poof" 5 weeks later she was pregnant with I believe 7 sacs. I am sure that her doctor explained to her that intercourse was a bad idea because of the chances of having a higher order multiple birth. Or maybe not, but I would think that a qualified doctor would.I believe that Kate had the twins and got that satisfaction of being the mom with twins. And then when she was hospitalized, a lightbulb in her head went off and her and Jon had sex the natural way which produced sextuplets. I am saying this becasue in the 1st episode Kate & Jon kept saying when they found out they were carrying so many babies they said," Oh God what did WE DO." This is a statement that I believe means more than what people think it does. I think that they purposely has sex knowing what would happen for the limelight. Or that Kate tricked Jon into having sex. I do not know the linguistics of it, however, I somehow think that knowing that her ovaries produced so many eggs she wanted to see what would happen. Think about it, isnt weird that she is in the hospital for her over stimulated ovaries and then she is pregnant 5 weeks later with 7 sacs?
Just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Seriously, folks. If you want to donate money to cancer research, do so on your own.

Why? Should we ignore all the church sales, candy drives, 'Fill The Boot' events too? All the local events that benefit good causes?

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Geez, get a grip. Do what you want, just don't go through the Gosselins !
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I'm sure they had a lot of good stuff that people got at good prices. All this was was a yard sale. It's not like people bought stuff and said "that money is going to a good cause, so that's all the donating I have to do for the rest of the year."

Anonymous said...

Not sure it this has been covered...but Carla wasn't "back". This episode was filmed back in May or June before she had "left". KON made reference to their sale during a speaking engagement that I attended. I guess with all the travel, this episode's airing date got pushed back a bit.

Anonymous said...

One word - BOR-ING!!!! Like watching paint dry. Worse than paint drying, because at least drying paint doesn't open it's LARGE mouth to bitch and complain.

LindaC said...

More proof that this 'yard sale' was all about the show and not about raising as much as possible for the charity is in the execution. Kate herself said that she has always held an annual yard sale. Then why didn't she know enough to advertise it? Or to bring cleaning supplies for the tables? Or to price the items first? Because, IMO, she really didn't give a cr** about getting as big a donation as possible, it was all about filling another half hour of TV and collecting her 5 figure paycheck.
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I thought about this post for a bit. Why would an experienced annual garage seller not be more prepared (i.e. pricing items, checking signs for spelling, bringing cleaning equipment, etc.)? IMO the answer is time. When would Kate have had time to prepare for a garage sale? She's gone a lot promoting this and that and then there are the speeches, interviews, shooting schedule of 3-4 days per week and "taking" care of the kids. The answer is she didn't. And apparently none of the minons or Jon prepped much for the garage sale. Kate walked in the day of the sale knowing that she had not controlled any of the preparation and it didn't go well. And as we all saw there was the on-going "I'm irritated" sayings all day from Kate. This all comes down to...Kate needs to re-commit herself to the show. The net result of this show was low sales, viewers saw more of the real Kate and Jon once again did the work (load this, unload that, get the kids, drive, and on and on). In order to keep the gravy train chugging along she DOES need to re-commit to the show. As for re-commiting to the kids...hmmmm, don't see this happening anytime soon. This show was yet another train wreck.

LindaC said...

I'm adding on to my previous blog.

There has been speculation on GWoP that Kate seems medicated while doing couch interviews. I'm speculating that she's tired from her travels and other commitments, and she's bored with doing the show.

Anonymous said...

"Not sure it this has been covered...but Carla wasn't "back". This episode was filmed back in May or June before she had "left". KON made reference to their sale during a speaking engagement that I attended. I guess with all the travel, this episode's airing date got pushed back a bit."

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Actually, Im pretty sure the sale was in September?!?! Does anyone know for sure. It used to say it on their site but I cant find it anymore?!

Tigerfan said...

I'm sure they had a lot of good stuff that people got at good prices. All this was was a yard sale. It's not like people bought stuff and said "that money is going to a good cause, so that's all the donating I have to do for the rest of the year."

11/30/2008 12:53 PM

No, Kate thought that people would be lining up left and right for their 'charity' yard sale and dig deep in to THEIR pockets and pay big bucks for all the Gosselin's 'good' FREE stuff and then SHE could say, 'that's all the donating( giving back) I have to do for the rest of the year! How much of the verbage discussed in this episode focused on that of J & K actually promoting viewer awareness of their chosen charity and opposed to the effort J & K spent reminding viewers ad nauseum that they were 'giving back'.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Not sure it this has been covered...but Carla wasn't "back". This episode was filmed back in May or June before she had "left". KON made reference to their sale during a speaking engagement that I attended. I guess with all the travel, this episode's airing date got pushed back a bit.
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The yard sale was definitely in September. I remember because it was being discussed on the radio during that time. Neighbors were calling in. Also, I don't think Carla ever really got kicked out - just diminished to yard worker, general maintenance helper. That's probably why she was helping at the yard sale - just a paid helper.

Anonymous said...

"Not sure it this has been covered...but Carla wasn't "back". This episode was filmed back in May or June before she had "left". KON made reference to their sale during a speaking engagement that I attended. I guess with all the travel, this episode's airing date got pushed back a bit."

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Actually, Im pretty sure the sale was in September?!?! Does anyone know for sure. It used to say it on their site but I cant find it anymore?!

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The sale was September 20 and Carla has never been "gone". She's on the payroll, but is working off camera. They have lots of help that is never shown on the show.

Anonymous said...

Listen, can the person that gets in kong's face to let her (or Jon-Kong) know how "john q. public" feels about KON,and their exploitation of those unfortunite children,please let the rest of us know?!
I've got 50$ for the person that can do this.Open to all age groups,types,and nationalitys.
"KONNNNNNNNN, I mean, JONNNNN!!"

Anonymous said...

I'm from Berks County, PA and Dr. Gosselin (Jon's father) was my dentist when I was a kid. He was a very kind and decent man. To think that Kate made her family get rid of things that belonged to him is sad beyond words. I would call her a disgusting shrew except shrews are cute.

Anonymous said...

I'm from Berks County, PA and Dr. Gosselin (Jon's father) was my dentist when I was a kid. He was a very kind and decent man. To think that Kate made her family get rid of things that belonged to him is sad beyond words. I would call her a disgusting shrew except shrews are cute.

My God, if I kept everything that belonged to my dad or my grandparents that was given to me at some point in my life, I would need a warehouse to store it all. It isnt possible to keep everything! There was a show on HGTV a while back (cant recall seeing it lately) about decluttering the house. Sometimes it just makes more sense to let go of all that stuff. Sentimentality is nice but sometimes reality needs to take over.

linda said...

Tigerfan said...

No, Kate thought that people would be lining up left and right for their 'charity' yard sale and dig deep in to THEIR pockets and pay big bucks for all the Gosselin's 'good' FREE stuff...

It's not 'stuff', it's memorbilia!

Anonymous said...

"Sentimentality is nice but sometimes reality needs to take over."


Yeah, that Christmas ornament would have taken up a lot of room.

Anonymous said...

"Sentimentality is nice but sometimes reality needs to take over."


Yeah, that Christmas ornament would have taken up a lot of room.


''whoooooshhhhh''

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Sentimentality is nice but sometimes reality needs to take over."


Reality needs to take over what? The reality that an ornament is just an inanimate object that drops glitter all over the place and takes up space that could be used for some other inanimate object that will equally take up space? Keeping with the episode, what 'reality' should take over 8 year old Mady that would serve a more fitting purpose in her life than that of her sentimental attachment to the ornament? The child is 8 years old, its an ornament given to her by her now deceased grand father and she obviously has developed a sentimental attachment to. The reality is, she knows her grandfather is no longer with her, but the ornament he gave her is. IMO, Her sentimental attachment to that ornament trumps over Kate's dislike for the ornament because it drops glitter all over the place.

Anonymous said...

You're right - the recaps are better than the shows.
Alexis slept in the basement of the
old house - we don't know what the arrangements are in the new place.
Expect either the crew or Jon sleep in the doghouse - above the garage. Kate and her sale - if she waits long enough - someone will step up and do it - ie - placing the signs.
The sup's progress - remembering their infant pictures - they all looked like embryo's. As jon is of small stature no doubt the kids will be also. Keep up the comments.

WhitneySmith said...

Concerning the ornament and deceased relatives.

I think that keeping things that were given to you from a deceased relative is helpful to some people. Some people are able to get rid of everything except one or two things and other people hold onto everything. The way I see it, if you don't mind the clutter the more power to you. (I mean no offense by calling it 'clutter', I just had no other words)

On Kate and the ornament. I agree that she should have asked Mady, however when Mady confronted her about it she did give it back. Despite her snarky attitude and 'get over it' comment she did give it back and Mady seemed content with that.

I'd say if we were to really ask her to change and become a better person, which I hope happens and I hope people ultimately want, she'd have to take baby steps. And that, as I see it, is a baby step.

I would appreciate not being called a sheeple. I used to like J&KP8 but started to get curious around the time Jodi dissapeared and starting doing my own research. I found out A LOT and quite frankly felt a little dumbfounded about it all. My point being: even though they have done all this wrong and choose to live their lives this way I do believe that there is some good in everyone. Some may think that this is too optimistic of a view to have...it hasn't killed me thus far.

Anonymous said...

I would appreciate not being called a sheeple. I used to like J&KP8 but started to get curious around the time Jodi dissapeared and starting doing my own research. I found out A LOT and quite frankly felt a little dumbfounded about it all. My point being: even though they have done all this wrong and choose to live their lives this way I do believe that there is some good in everyone. Some may think that this is too optimistic of a view to have...it hasn't killed me thus far.
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Ok, Whitney, I will not call you a sheeple, but I do totally disagree that there is good in everyone.

I really don't find one redeeming quality in Kate- she's a horrible mother, horrible friend, horrible wife, horrible aunt/DIL/SIL and all around horrible person.

I do, however, still hold out hope for Jon, but lately he's been just as bad as Kate.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if "AUNT" Katie Irene ever offered to take care of Jodi's and Kevin kids so that they could get a break?

Anonymous said...

"Think about it, isnt weird that she is in the hospital for her over stimulated ovaries and then she is pregnant 5 weeks later with 7 sacs?
Just my opinion" .......... I just wanted to take a second and give my first hand knowledge of infertility treatments. My husband and I have been going through IUI's & IVF procedures for ten years (we're finally pregnant!) The first thing that most Drs do is put you on clomid which is an oral medication that stimulates your ovaries to produce multiple eggs - more eggs means more chances of fertilization & becoming pregnant (regular ob/gyns can prescribe clomid etc). The next step up is IUI or Intra uterine insemination aka artificial insemination. You or someone you know injects medicine in your stomach which produces multiple eggs. You see your fertility specialist (reg ob/gyn's typically do not do this) every few days for them to check your follicles to see how many are growing, how large they are and to make certain you're not overstimulating. When the follicles are mature, typically between 10 - 12 days after you start the injections you cease the stimulating hormones. At this point you have to give yourself an HCG injection which stimulates the follicles to release the eggs. aka ovulation. This takes place around 36 hours after the HCG injection and the fertility Dr. will use this knowledge to schedule your IUI. One of two things happens now. You have timed intercourse (we called this baby dancing LOL) or your spouse/partner produces a specimen which is washed and prepped and then via a long catheter through your cervix is placed into your uterus to await the egg (s). IUI or artificial insemination is what Kon had done. I personally have gone through this 13 times. Some resulted in miscarriages others nothing. NEVER EVER EVER would a Dr. agree to wash and inseminate a woman who had overstimulated ovaries. NEVER. It is very dangerous. I personally have had it happen twice. The next step up the infertility go round is IVF (invitro fertilization). Same injectible meds but sometimes you take birth control pills for appx 4 - 6 weeks to stop your cycle and another injectible drug called Lupron which will help the stimulating meds have complete control over your hormones. I always went this route. With IVF though the eggs are retrieved from you, the sperm is added and several days later the embryos are transferred into your uterus. Depending on how well they've developed and how good they look it is typically two - four embryos. Sometimes ICSI is performed where a single sperm is "injected" into the egg in cases where fertilization doesn't happen by itself. I hope this sheds some light on the fertility procedures. Having gone through 13 IUI's and 10 IVF cycles (no you do not want to know how much we've spent trust me) I find it VERY hard if not impossible to believe that Kate was hyperstimulated and the Dr. still did the IUI. They would know ahead of time how many follicles there were (just because you have a follicle doesn't mean there's always an egg in it). I have never heard of a woman experiencing no signs or symptoms of hyperstimulation, go on to have the IUI then become ill. Never. I tend to believe they had a "baby dancing" session with or without the approval of their Dr. Also, something else to consider.....clomid & IUIs are more likely to be paid by insurance carriers than IVF is. Ours paid for a total of $8000 (lifetime limit - and we have a very popular insurance) for fertility treatments. IUI meds alone usually cost $3,000 - $5,000 a cycle. I wonder if Kate & Jon saw this as a last ditch effort and that's why they chanced it - they couldn't afford another round of meds or even IVF. A typical IVF cycle is $12,000 and if you need ICSI it is $15,000 PER cycle. I hope this helps - I know all of the infertility procedures are confusing. I'm not a nurse just someone who has been on the infertility go round for many many years. Lisa

Anonymous said...

Reality needs to take over what? The reality that an ornament is just an inanimate object that drops glitter all over the place and takes up space that could be used for some other inanimate object that will equally take up space? Keeping with the episode, what 'reality' should take over 8 year old Mady that would serve a more fitting purpose in her life than that of her sentimental attachment to the ornament? The child is 8 years old, its an ornament given to her by her now deceased grand father and she obviously has developed a sentimental attachment to. The reality is, she knows her grandfather is no longer with her, but the ornament he gave her is. IMO, Her sentimental attachment to that ornament trumps over Kate's dislike for the ornament because it drops glitter all over the place.

And Kate, after a calm discussion, allowed Mady to keep her ornament. Problem solved. My point is that it is impossible to keep EVERY item that one accumulates in live.

SmartyQ said...

11/29/2008 5:16 PM Anonymous said... peppypen,
I think that Kate wanted to have alot of babies so that she could do what she's doing. She's a nurse, and she knew what could and would happen. I think she was hoping to have as many babies as she could so she could get "famous." There is something about Kate that I just don't trust.


I don't think anyone with two brain neurons would trust Queen Freebie Irene. I have believed that the HOM pregnancy was deliberate for quite a while. The only part I'm unsure about is whether Prince Ka-Ching was warned about the consequences before
they had sex. QFI did, on one show, ask him if he had forgiven her, and the implication was for the conception of the tups. (In fairness, it was never really said—just implied.)

Because QFI is such a liar, we have no idea if she was really shocked and frightened when she was told about the seven sacs. She claims she kept telling the doc 'no reduction,' but for all we'll ever know, she started dancing around and singing with joy. Neither Kon would ever tell the truth, and the doc is bound by professional ethics to silence.

We do know, via their home videos, that they were shopping the show during the pregnancy and after the birth. We know that Jon called newspapers to announce that his wife was pregnant with tups, which really only serves one purpose: publicity. I also found it interesting that, in the pictures of Mrs Hayes with her huge stomach of tups, she is clothed; QFI's naked belly is repeatedly out. It's either a case of class tells (sorry QFI, you lose) or Kon's expecting to reap rewards for what I consider some pictures in very poor taste.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 2:16am
I just wanted to say congrats on your pregnancy! It sounds like you've gone through so much! Infertility stinks! (We have secondary). I'll be praying for you and your little one to have a safe and happy pregnancy! Congrats!!!!!

Dunwoody Mom said...

And Kate, after a calm discussion, allowed Mady to keep her ornament. Problem solved. My point is that it is impossible to keep EVERY item that one accumulates in live.

AGAIN, Mady is old enough to decide what items she wishes to keep. Kate should have respect Mady enough to ask her beforehand if this was an item she wanted to keep - especially since it had such sentimental value.

Anonymous said...

And Kate, after a calm discussion, allowed Mady to keep her ornament. Problem solved. My point is that it is impossible to keep EVERY item that one accumulates in live.
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Kate did let Mady keep the ornament, yes.

The point trying to be made is not to keep EVERY THING from ANY deceased relative. It's only about keeping the sentimental items that cannot be replaced.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 2:16am
I just wanted to say congrats on your pregnancy! It sounds like you've gone through so much! Infertility stinks! (We have secondary). I'll be praying for you and your little one to have a safe and happy pregnancy! Congrats!!!!!

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Ditto to both anons =)
I had secondary infertility and underwent treatment, so I can empathasize with you both.

Happiest of holidays!

machinegunsmom said...

This has little to do with the yard sale but it's been a very long weekend with no new posts...I totally think Mady and Cara should pull a "Mary-Kate and Ashley" and buy out the production company...they would make adorable little moguls, wouldn't they? Especially Mady...hey, they've already seen a lot of how the production works and played "Producers for a Day".

Although they probably wouldn't be able to get their hands on it until after college. According to the episode where they draw up their wills, the kids get 50% of their "parents'" millions if they graduate and the rest when they turn 30.

Anonymous said...

AGAIN, Mady is old enough to decide what items she wishes to keep. Kate should have respect Mady enough to ask her beforehand if this was an item she wanted to keep - especially since it had such sentimental value.

Maybe so, But Kate probably wasnt aware of Mady's attachment to it. You know how kids are- they havent seen or though about a certain item for a long time, but then they do see it and all of a sudden it is their most prized possession. I dont think it would have been possible to ask every kid about every item. The point is, Mady said she wanted to keep it and Kate allowed her to.

Anonymous said...

Maybe so, But Kate probably wasnt aware of Mady's attachment to it. You know how kids are- they havent seen or though about a certain item for a long time, but then they do see it and all of a sudden it is their most prized possession. I dont think it would have been possible to ask every kid about every item. The point is, Mady said she wanted to keep it and Kate allowed her to.
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Generally speaking, yes, kids can be unpredictable. However, if any one of the kids would be upset over something like this, of course it would be Mady. She seems to be extremely sensitive and Kate should have known better- she is her mom, right?

Pollywog said...

Kate should have known better- she is her mom, right? She gave birth to the child but mom is stretching things. More like the warden at actors 2B to keep maternal donor rolling in the green. Kate is the most hands off, ego damaging person any poor child could be stuck with as a mother figure and I really feel bad every time I read about more of her nasty little stunts. She's not so great in the wife department either but at least Jon had the choice to pick the ding bat not so for those innocent children.
I really don't get why these evangelical Christians always seem to have such awful people representing them, Tammy Faye and her hubby, Farwell, et al. All that the show exposes about these two clowns yet churches still line them up and stuff their pockets full of money for what reason. To give birth to children that they turn around and exploit. Lovely.

Anonymous said...

She gave birth to the child but mom is stretching things.

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Exactly my point. I think Mady is great.(even with her sometimes terrible behavior, because I blame that on Kate). She has always been the sensitive, expressive one and MOST mothers would know that about her own child.

And the twins would be the only ones that would remember Poppy - I doubt they want to get rid of anything he gave them.

Anonymous said...

My husband and I fell in love with the Gosselin children this past summer. Slowly, we've become more and more disillusioned about the myth of the happy Gosselin family. The increased product placement, the never ending vacations, the IPHONE!!! But this episode was the episode that caused us to delete "Jon and Kate Plus 8" off our DVR schedule. Jon loaded and unloaded all the stuff. Someone else obviously ordered those "disgusting" tables (Kate just assumed they would get tableclothes); someone else ordered/made those signs (because honestly, how hard is it to use a printer?). Just...ugh!!!! It was horrible. We couldn't even finish watching it. Reading now that they charged people for the pictures makes it even worse. Yuck Yuck yuck.

My heart hurts for their children. :-(

IMHO said...

Wow. Read this recap and one other, but didn't see the show as I no longer watch it.

Can't get thru 197 comments, but a quickie scroll shows that it's settling in to a discussion called "ornamentgate".

Those craftly little TLC producers - they must have skipped with glee over this little scene with all of it's emotional ammunition.

Well, in reading 2 different recaps tonight, my thoughts are that #1 - donating all the crap would have had a much greater effect on society, the recipients, and Kon's reputation, so Kon are still clueless about proper humanitarian gestures, and, #2 - that I treasure any momento given to my kids by people who love them, and this includes ornaments. At heart isn't whose decision it was to sell or to keep - it's that they were even placed in the UHaul at all.

pumibel said...

I wanted to break something when Kate made such an issue about the misspelled sign. Get over it! I would not watch this show if given my own choice. I work in the living room and have to watch or listen to stuff I don't like. That said, I hate this show. My daughter likes it, so I have seen far more than I want. TLC plays the same shows over and again weekly- and far too many marathons. I thought I must be the only one who hated this show since it is played constantly.

pumibel said...

OMG- I am slow! I was looking online for a pic of the new mansion and came across the story about Kate having a fit about the gifts that her parents' church donated when she was preggo with the tups. She freaked out about the 6 FREE cribs not matching and the clothes not matching and demanded money and/or matching stuff. When her father didn't back down to her demands she disowned her parents and doesn't let them see her kids. See, I remember an episode where they explained that her parents were not involved for their own reasons and she was fine with that. I felt that she was being very diplomatic about it and that she didn't air her problems, but now I see she didn't want to incriminate herself. I have a special (very nasty) name (that i can't type here) for her- I believe a "C" type personality would fit her to a "T" if you get my drift. I am very sure this story is true because it sounds exactly like her. Well, I hate the show anyway, and I will no longer let my daughter watch it. Officially boycotting as of now. Y'all can call me slow, it's OK.

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