The Wedding Episode Struck a Journalistic Nerve

This episode has apparently struck a nerve. Here are two articles that ran today.

This national syndicate appeared in the Reading Eagle, a local paper in the Gosselin neck of the woods.

The Boston Herald ran this piece.

It would seem that the freebie train has some cars derailing.

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Anonymous said...

I'm happy to hear about the negative publicity. I wonder if it's helping? Everytime I turn on the TV to watch a show on TLC I am bombarded by endless commercials showcasing J & K. Even when a viewer wants to move on from the show - it's constantly thrown in their faces. TLC should be ashamed of themselves for literally "pimping out" those kids. Yes, KON is most guilty... but man, TLC is on a roll with this show!

Anonymous said...

I agree with that the list of appropriate gifts included in the family member's invite was extremely inappropriate. Regardless of the fact that this family member did not attend J & K 's original wedding ceremony, there should be no obligation or suggestion for this guest to come bearing gifts. It is just plain TACKY !!!!! IMO, their presence at the ceremony to witness and share in their event, is the GIFT!
Furthermore it is beyond rude to invite a 'special' group of family and then treat them with such disregard! It shocks me to believe that anyone would treat a family member that they have never met with such disrespect, including after the fact. But then, we are discussing J & K, notorious for disgarding family members when they are no longer of use to them!

Anonymous said...

I am a frequent visitor of this site and I have always tried to give Jon and Kate the benefit of the doubt. However, after reading the letter from Jon's family members, my opinion of J&K has changed. Generally I would put in my two cents, but I think all the posts here have pretty much covered everything I would say anyway.

One other thing: I think Hannah will be as big a nightmare as Mady when she gets older. She sometimes seems to monopolize Kate's time and never misses an opportunity to tattle on her brothers and sisters. In the episode where all the tups went to the doctor's office, Hannah turned out to be the heaviest. It seemed like Kate was almost embarrassed that her favorite tup was the biggest. She even made them weigh her again!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
BTW - Did anyone catch the interview portion in their basement where Jon (alone on camera) was talking about his relatives and how nice it was to hear stories about his mother..and in the background you can hear Kate snickering??? Ridiculous, this woman knows no bounds!
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YES!!! I did hear that, at first i thought it was in my head,but it is there!!

11/19/2008 2:07 PM
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I must have missed it, can you elaborate please?
Thank you.

Anonymous said...

anonymous said: Perhaps the Gosselin children would have been more attentive and embracing to the 'meaning' behind their parents vow renewal ceremony if they actually felt secure in knowing that the focus of ceremony was actually ABOUT them and not one big hour long commerical for the Grand Wailea Hotel!
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I think the Gosselin kids weren't able to tell the difference between the hoopla in their everyday lives of shooting the show with all the cameras, lights, stand here, smile, do this, do that, from the 'wedding ceremony' and that's why their behavior was out of line. Perhaps if the setting had been more formal or solelmn, fewer distractions, calm and orderly the kids may have had more of a chance of behaving.

They don't know anything other than cameras, lights, mics, and chaos in their lives. It's no wonder they behave the same way in every situation - no matter where they are or what they are doing. The kids are always behaving or misbehaving the same everytime we see them and the wedding was no different.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous asked at 3:05pm: I must have missed it, can you elaborate please?
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Jon was in the basement summarizing meeting his relatives and hearing stories from them about his mother when she was younger (probably growing up). While he was talking you could hear Kate in the background laughing.
That's all there was to it. Laughing while Jon was talking about enjoying hearing them talk about his mother.

Whoever was caught doing the laughing -- it was tacky. IMO. I'm surprised sound dept didn't edit it out.

Anonymous said...

Considering all the planning that must have gone into the trip, couldn't they have coordinated the ceremony a bit better ?

When they were filming the close-ups of the J&K during the vows the people milling around in the background looked terrible. There had to be a better angle to shoot from (or a better way to arrange where they stood).

Stopping everything to get the kids to go sit down looked even worse, it easily could have been arranged ahead of time that the 'tups would walk up the aisle and then go and sit by Jenny.

And for two people who spend most weekends doing speaking engagements their vows sounded terrible.

Anonymous said...

"This show has been doing damage control for a while. I think if TLC had found any mainland relatives that were willing to attend this farce, these guests would have received the trip for free. Showing a familiar face at this point would have quieted a lot of talk. That there were no PA friends and family at the event speaks volumes about how Jon and Kate treat the people who have helped them. And the Hawaii attendees were expected to bring gifts? Puhleeze. These gentle relatives responded more kindly than I would have found possible. They should have shown up empty-handed and eaten as much as possible, knowing that they will be cut from future events regardless."

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You hit the nail on the head. This is not reality TV, this is carefully staged image. Jon's family at the wedding was an attempt to lessen the perception that J&K have alienated all of their relatives and no longer have any friends. It is also the reason that Kate has been going out of her way to point out that she is willing to let things. My guess is that Kate had several meltdowns off camera in this episode alone. The Mady apple does not fall far from the Kate tree.

In addition to being their largest source of income, the show is their image. Their public image is how they get other endorsement and income earning opportunities. They are just becoming much more savvy (with help from agents and publicists) in controlling how they are portrayed.

Anonymous said...

Just when I think I cannot be shocked by the KONS, something else happens. The information from the Hawaii relatives and how they were treated at the fake wedding is beyond the pale. I hope this relative posts again with more detail.

I am also sick and tired of hearing Kate put down her first wedding, which seemed beautiful. What a slap in the face to her parents, family and friends.
Kate disgusts me.

I did not watch Monday night but channel flipping I just caught a replay of the last 5 minutes. Jon is playing golf at the Wailea golf, it is a championship PGA course and he claims he made birdies on the course. He must be playing one heck of a lot of golf, but then he does not work.

And they checked out of the megabucks suite at 7pm. When we stay in a hotel we check out at noon to avoid paying for an extra day.
And I saw lots of dirty dishes and glasses on the table, I'll bet the royal family had room service just before they left.
Aaahhh, the suite life.

Anonymous said...

I would say that someone in Jon's extended family was very disgruntled by this event. Why else would they have been searching the web and checking out this website?!

babeeberry said...

I hope someone can clear this up for me. I "think" I remember Kate gushing over their first wedding when that episode aired for the first time. I swear both she and Jon said it was beautiful, beautiful flowers, beautiful music..yada..yada..yada. I've never been a fan of theirs but I remember thinking "yep, that's one beautiful wedding." Did I imagine this episode, or is this just another example of Kate's patholigical lying? Thanks if anyone can set me straight...

Oh, and as far as Kate complaining about the family that wouldn't or couldn't go to Hawaii the first time around, what a slap in the face to those people. My sister had a destination wedding and it was VERY hard for us to afford. We made it to the destination but were so strapped for cash we didn't join in any of the activities the rest of the family were doing. My sister is a spitting image of Kate too. Destination weddings can be great, but a bit selfish if you expect everyone can afford the trip. Just my opinion of course.

Anonymous said...

I was at the GW when this filmed. I had a mid morning appointment at the spa for a pedi and when I arrived, they told me they would have to reschedule mine because they were "full". I caught a glimpse of their version of full-- you guessed it. Cameras and little girl toes. Kate was looking down and talking loudly to someone. I heard her say "DON'T get it all over her!"

I told the GW spa workers that I thought it was horrible that they neglect their other guests. They apologized and said "We thought they would be done before now." One of the women said she'd comp me some spa products and as she was preparing a gift card, her co-worker said, "I wish they were done." and smiled half heartedly.

Anonymous said...

Usually the marriage is more important than the wedding. I guess both are a bit out of whack.

Anonymous said...

This is off topic but there wasn't anywhere else to post it. There is an interesting post on the "Kate is a Shrew" blog from someone who recently attended one of their church engagements.

Anonymous said...

I have to laugh at Jon waiting to get authentic hawaiian shirts for the boys...excuse me but those were quiksilver shirts were they not. quiksilver is all over the place. here in san diego, nyc, hawaii, vegas, disneyland etc. huh?

The Writer said...

I removed this farce of a show from my DVR several months ago. It makes me sick to see the way Kate belittles her husband, plays favorites with her children (i.e. everyone except Hannah, and Collin, but only if he's being her "helper boy"), and is outright mean to Mady.

That poor kid's behavioral issues are a direct result of this circus she and her siblings are forced to live in, and it's clear that she thrives from one-on-one time and praise. All Kate does is mock her, snap at her and degrade her.

Considering how crappily Jon and Kate treat their family, maybe they should have eloped to Hawaii to begin with the first time. But wait, no, TLC wouldn't have been fitting the bill for that.

I find it ironic that the more publicity the Goesslins get, the less liked they are -- which I am sure they were not expecting at all, given the sweet-as-pie face Kate puts on when they're talking to, say, Oprah. Karma, anyone?

Anonymous said...

Okay so I am really glad the mods didn't post my first comment I wrote when I first read the comment from their Hawaiian relative who was at their renewal because I was REALLY mad and said some things that were very mean about Kate...thanks mods for doing such a great job!

Anyway, I just find Kate so horrible lately. It seems she is all about her image and pays absolutely NO attention to how she is actually treating other human beings. She seems to be acting like quite the snob lately, I mean really, does she really think she is that famous that people should bow down when they meet her? Because she is not. She has no special talents, she doesn't act, sing, or do anything that famous people do when they are doing their JOBS on television.

Kate doesn't even have a job...and neither does her husband. I found it very nice for their distant relatives (who J&K haven't bothered to stay in touch with for 20 years) to take time out of their own lives, travel, and attend the vow renuwal ceremony. And then to find out that Kate requested specific gifts and was rude and cold to everyone the entire time??? First of all, are gifts even usually given at a renuwal ceremony? And, Jon and Kate probably have more money in their bank account right now than all of their "non-famous" family attendees put together (I'm not meaning that as a put down to their guests, its just that Jon and Kate are SO wealthy now). Why would you even want someone to bring you a gift when you haven't even seen them in 20 years or, for some, haven't even ever met them.

Kate is so selfish and such a snob. I do not know how she lives with herself-seriously.

Anonymous said...

I really don't know how Jon and Kate rationalize their behavior. Do they really feel that it is okay to put the children's lives on T.V. for all to see. Are they just dumb to the fact that the tups will be growing up and going to school and will end up realizing that having cameras on themselves is NOT "normal" and it will only increase their chance of being teased. We know children, even in grade school, can be cruel!
I believe Cara and Mady are already experiencing this.

How are Jon and Kate rationalizing to themselves that it is okay that the tups and twins are essentially supporting the family.
How in the world does Jon feel like it is okay that he is not supporting his own family. How does he feel good about himself? Do Jon and Kate really believe they are both working because they are doing this show and going to all these speaking engagements? Do they not realize that there would be none of this if it were not for the tups. They justify this by calling it their "family business/job". The tups do not have the mind capacity to know that they are "working" in the "family business" or much less be able to make such a decision for themselves in whether they want to do this. The twins are already "protesting" in their own way. Kate and Jon are making all the decisions, for the kids, to work in this "family business". Or Jon and Kate are manipulating the tups by saying such things as, "Would you rather have both mom and dad be home all the time or be at a job working where your mom &/or dad would be away during the day?" What kind of parent puts such a question to their kids?! This is how Jon and Kate tells the world and themselves that this is what the tups want to do. Well of course kids at that age would want their parents around all of the time.

Do they really believe that their tups and twins are not having or will not have "adverse" emotional/psychological problems. I feel that Cara and Mady are already "suffering". Are Jon and Kate just blind to all of this regarding their children?
Or are both Jon and Kate choosing to NOT notice because of all the money and free material "stuff" and trips.

I bet Jon and Kate are "rationalizing" that all the material stuff and trips are making their children's lives better. As Kate would say "life experiences" and "who am I to say NO"

I think Jon and Kate are doing BIG time rationalizing. Surely they have to be!! How else are they not feeling Guilty!

On the last episode of the "vow renewal", one of the tup boys is on camera in just his underwear. Do Jon and Kate really believe that this is okay? They are not babies in diapers anymore! They are almost five years old! How are Jon and Kate justifing(sp) that? And why in the world are the camera crew filming that?! To Jon and Kate and the camera crew, this is NOT cute!

I really try very hard to give Jon and Kate the benefit of the doubt, but I really do wonder what is going on in their minds and hearts that makes them think it is okay to take all the "free" stuff offered to them and may even be asking for. Or how they really think that this is what is best for the tups and twins.

Will Jon and Kate be in for a rude of awakening someday? Perhaps when the kids grow older.
Or will they find a way to even rationalize that too. I can just hear them saying, "We did the best that we could and there was no manual on how to raise multiples and how can you possibly have any problems with your childhood when you had the very best clothes to wear, and toys and vacations!"

They both really need to take a very hard look at themselves and their children without wearing any blinders. And if they do this, in a very serious way, and still feel like what they are doing is just fine and this is indeed how they want their lives to be for themselves and their kids and they feel no guilt about this, then nothing that we bloggers say, or what all the articles say, or even what their own families and friends may have said/or say to them (who actually care for them both and their children) will make any difference to Jon and Kate. And maybe we should just leave them alone? I mean only Jon and Kate are accountable for their decisions and how they choose to live and raise their kids. The reality is, both Jon and Kate are going to do what they want to do no matter what anyone says or blogs.

I do think I see it in Kate's body language that she does feel some sort of guilt when she is lying and knows it. For example, shopping at K-mart when she is really only promoting the new lay-away plan, for money I'm sure, and that is why she is bringing this up in her interviews.

I'm a Christian and I do believe that Jon and Kate are also Christians, so they have to be having some sort of nagging &/or conflicting feelings going on inside each of them, like perhaps some Guilt.

Kate looked beautiful in her wedding dress and all of the girls were adorable. The boys looked very handsome. Just think how much more rewarding the whole trip and occasion could have felt for Jon and Kate if they had both "worked" hard themselves to earn and pay for such a lavish trip. And they would not have to keep saying, "there are not words to say thank you to..." And when the kids are older they could just look at the pictures and/or their own "home" movies.

Jon could then have that sense of accomplishment in knowing he, alone, can provide for his own family and may then even be able to save up for such a great vacation. Granted it may take longer (some years) to do this perhaps, but the advantage in that would be that the tups would then be older and actually be able to have more of an understanding in what their parents were doing with this "renewing vows" ceremony. And the tups would then be able to "remember/recall" the actual trip! How many out there remember vacations when they were four years old?? Probably very few.

I also think TLC needs to "cool it" with all of these "families with lots of kids" reality shows. Has anyone else noticed how many new shows are coming out this fall? They are doing it for the big bucks and they know (b/c of the Jon and Kate plus 8 being the #1 show) that there seems to be a huge market that will watch all of these shows. I am now just turning the channel and watching something else.

Anonymous said...

My brain will explode if I don't post a few thoughts after reading 217 posts:

Jon's mother isn't dead.
Or, is she simply "dead" to Kate and that's why Jon speaks of his mother as if she's dead?

Anonymous at 5:42pm said:

"How does this couple sleep at night?"

SEPARATELY!

It seems Alexis isn't the only one who has been exiled to the basement to sleep. A few episodes ago there was a camera shot panning the basement...there's Alexis' couch made up, er rather, unmade up, as her bed...and there's the other couch also unmade up...who else has been sleeping down here? I'll bet it's JON; teehee!

Kate refers to the master bedroom as "MY room";
this kind of huge misnomer can't be an on-camera whoops - Jon just will not stop his 'LOUD breathing' and we all know what happens to people who disobey Kate - bye bye!

Anonymous at 6:24pm said:

And it seems to me like Kate has had some face work done??

Of course she has; you can't be a 'celebrity' without joining the ranks of the Botox Bums. Her forehead hasn't moved ALL this season, her double chin disappeared right after the "Good Housekeeping" magazine cover story shoot, and she had some kind of invisible braces installed prior to "The Bonnie Hunt Show". If you're a Doubting Thomas watch the YouTube clip of TBHS and you'll hear the work she's having done. I'm sure Kate is a work in progress as there're 'miles to go before she sleeps...alone...'

Call me cynical but I'll bet that the uglier Kate gets on the inside, the more work she'll have done on the outside.

And it won't do a bit of good - that shrew is UGLY and TLC is FINISHED with her.

MsPeabody said...

Mady is not a "hoot"..nor is she adorable or dear. If you guys really think that, then you are bigger and better people than I am, because that kid makes me want to spit fire out my eyeballs. I was shocked at her behavior during the fake wedding. She's eight, not two.

I think Mady has been thru a lot of crap and she is fed up with the lies and all the attention put on her six little brother's and sister's. I'm sure she remembers the time when it was just her mom and dad, her and cara when they were a family w/out cameras in their faces all the time. She is just acting as any eight year old would that isn't being heard. She desperately needs attention but instead she is getting more and more rejection and shunning which seems to be causing even more resentment in her towards her family. I am not a child psychologist but am a parent and I can see what this farce has done to that child, I really feel sad for her, for the whole family.

MsPeabody said...

Jenny didn't look like a nanny that even knew what to do with these kids, she seems more like a teen babysitter who isn't attached to the children and more like someone who watches them once in awhile. At the wedding when Kate stopped the ceremony to tell the kids to go and sit down, they show Jenny over there a few minutes later trying to get some control over the kids but was obvious they don't listen to her and the look on her face said it all. Unlike the good help that Aunt Jodi provided. I'm sure these kids really miss their Aunt and cousins. So sadddddd!!!

MsPeabody said...

The sense of entitlement is sickening. Do they really think because they had children they are REALLY that special? Wow, I, too, must be SUPERMOM of the Year! Sign me up! :)

I hear ya! Although I'll pass on the signing me up..LOL..I can't stand Jon and Kates sense of entitlement just for being able to have a litter. It's not like she won the Nobel prize or did anything deserving of what she has massed up. Get over yourself Kate, you had six babies at one time, we are all so amazed by this feat, NOT!!!!

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate exhibit enormous greed on a routine basis. They have sacrificed their children's private lives in order to maintain an extravagent lifestyle that they could have never achieved on their own.

That being said -- I actually have great doubt about the relative who has come forward to announce that she was asked for a gift for this wedding renewal. Please let's not get sucked into another dispute over the validity of a poster just because it reinforces our concepts about the Gosselin Greed.

Whether or not J&K dug up long-lost relatives; whether or not they demanded certain gifts; neither situations are needed to prove that these adults do not have their children's best interests at heart. The focus is, and always should be, on what is happening to these kids while living in a fishbowl -- and the long-term implications of this life, especially when the gravy train ends.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I have to laugh at Jon waiting to get authentic hawaiian shirts for the boys...excuse me but those were quiksilver shirts were they not. quiksilver is all over the place. here in san diego, nyc, hawaii, vegas, disneyland etc. huh?

11/19/2008 9:37 PM

Trip to the local mall on any give day and you can find the brand QuickSilver. Sorry Jon, a collared 3/4 sleeve shirt with a palm leaf and floral pattern does not = 'authentic Hawaiian'.

Anonymous said...

With the price of luggage when flying these days, I find it hard to believe that Jon and Kate would ask for gifts and actually pay the freight to take them back to the mainland. The price and hassle of transporting gifts back to PA is more than the gift would be worth, unless its cash.
I am not interested in any kid show but this one cause I adore the tups.

Anonymous said...

Hello all,

I was kind of entertained by everyone's comments and assumptions about this event until I read the post from the 'relative.'

At that point, I couldn't help but be bothered by the fact that everyone started taking that poster's words as if they were true, when, in fact, they are not.

I can say this only because I really was one of the invited guests.

For you folks to eat up this supposed relative's words and build your case off of it is not fair to J&K (regardless of what preconceptions you already have about them), nor is it fair to the real relatives who could be erroneously attached to such false words.

Please, people, do not believe everything you hear. It does not always lead to prudent judgment.

I feel that I need to address a few points here:

1) There were no hired stand-ins. So let's just finally take that off the table. Everyone you saw sitting in the chairs was an invited relative. The crew did not stand in as extras, either.

2) There was no invitation with a gift list. Period. It just did not exist. The gifts we did bring were just small gifts that were representative of Hawaii, etc. Hawaii people just don't come to anything empty-handed.

3) The story about the crew cutting off the hula is again, not true. A family member did indeed perform the hula, and I recall nothing but cheering from everyone.

4) Kate did not shun the guests. As much as you probably don't want to hear it, she was very welcoming and talkative and genuinely seemed happy to meet us.

5) To the poster who wondered why we were outdoors while they were indoors - It wasn't like that. The restaurant where the reception was held was in a part of the hotel where the inside opens up to an uncovered lanai area. We all sat at tables outside for dinner (Gosselins included), but the area was adjacent to a covered open area where there was more room to move around.

I wasn't going to post anything, but it was kind of bothering me what was being said here. I'm no detective, but based on some of the things that the 'relative' said that make it sound like they were there would lead me to guess that they may have been there observing but not as a guest. In other words, I would suspect a disgruntled Wailea employee. My second guess: a disgruntled crew member. Ha.

Now I do realize that I did just advise you not to believe everything you hear. I don't, therefore, expect everyone to believe that I am telling the truth and that the other 'relative' looks to be an impostor.

All I can say is that I was there and that I have told you what I know to be true.

Anonymous said...

We are getting a lot of anonymous posters claiming various accounts of the events in Hawaii. Read and make your own decisions. Some may be real or they all may be false. It's a case of reader beware. We have no way of validating anonymous comments.

Anonymous said...

This is to Anon 8:20 AM, yes I'm very sure you were at the HI wedding, KATE.

Anonymous said...

If they were in Hawaii visting Jon's mother's side of the family, why wasn't she there?!?!? I'm sure she wouldn't have minded seeing family she hadn't seen in years. I guess KON never thought of that aspect considering that they don't want to associate with their family members who live within a few miles. Just a thought...

Anonymous said...

This is to Anon 8:20 AM, yes I'm very sure you were at the HI wedding, KATE.



.....HaHaHa!! I thought the same thing.

Anonymous said...

"I feel that I need to address a few points here..."

OK who doesn't think this was totally written by Katie Irene??

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said..."Hello all,
I was kind of entertained by everyone's comments and assumptions about this event until I read the post from the 'relative.'

At that point, I couldn't help but be bothered by the fact that everyone started taking that poster's words as if they were true, when, in fact, they are not.

I can say this only because I really was one of the invited guests."


LOL! Good to know that Jon and Kate's PR person is doing their job! Nice try. :)

Anonymous said...

OK who doesn't think this was totally written by Katie Irene??

Kate doesn't even speak that well, much less write that well. I'll wager the Anon 8:20 post was written by her PR person. (Isn't "take off the table" PR speak?)

Anonymous said...

Hello anonymous poster who claimed to have been at the wedding. We'd love to see a scan of the invite, thanks! Please scan and link us to it. :)

Anonymous said...

Jenny is a college graduate and at least 22 years old. She is no teen. What are you folks going to do when this show goes off the air and everything is done in the privacy of the Gooslein home?

Anonymous said...

Hawaii people just don't come to anything empty-handed.

"Hawaii people"?? Hawai'ians, maybe?

You just gave yourself away!

Anonymous said...

Definately sounds like PR-speak.

Anonymous said...

Okay, so I knew this was going to happen. Here I was, trying to be all civil and everything...I told myself not to get upset when everyone attacked my post, but I can't help it. You guys are killing me with your snarkiness. Now it is just getting plain disrespectful of me and my family (i.e., the real 'relatives'), and from what I read, it does not sound as if that is your intention. I do appreciate the respect you have shown my family thus far, and I would sincerely appreciate it if you would try your best to continue to do so by giving my recollection of the events just as much credo as the first so-called relative. I know this is a challenge for you because it does not further your agenda. But please believe me when I say that I am simply trying to set the record straight.

It is not even particularly a matter of defending J&K. I am just trying to refute the sheer lies that were posted and present the facts, which I can assure you can be confirmed by all the other relatives who were in attendance. As you so duly noted repeatedly, this was the first time most of us had met any of the Gosselins. To say that we really know them now would simply be false. However, I believe in giving everyone a fair chance, whomever they are. Sure, I read some of these posts prior to the Maui trip, but I didn't let them get in the way of my personal experience with them. That particular experience happened to be positive.

So please, be the better person and continue to show respect for us by acknowledging the possibility that my version of the events may just be the true version. As I sit here at my computer typing this, I can honestly say that I am not Kate, and I am not a PR person.

As the mods have said, they cannot verify anonymous posts, but I have decided not to use my id because I don't want to violate any confidentiality agreements (even though I don't really think I am).

Once again, please try to have a more open mind. I am trying with all my might to be even-keeled, civil, and calm here, but by dismissing my post as fake, you have disrespected both me and my family. That is something that is hard for me to sit and watch. After all, I am Korean. (Take that for what it's worth. I'm just trying to make a joke here that they are notorious for having bad tempers.)

Alright, that's enough. I am going to force myself to smile here and get on with my work day which, by the way, has just started because it is just past 8am here in Hawaii.

:)

Anonymous said...

I agree with the person who said Jon didn't seem very excited to meet his distant relatives but then watching J&K on the couch I realized that they are really very boring people. I mean how many times did they have to keep repeating, "we're renewing our vows". It seemed like after every commercial break, they restated that they were renewing their vows.

I would bet my bottom dollar that those distant relatives only showed up because TLC paid their expenses to be there. What a real shame that J&K's immediate family couldn't be there along with Nana Janet and Aunt Jody and Beth and her family. What a shame. I actually felt sorry for J&K when they were dancing and were surrounded by total strangers.

One thing I have to say is that as dull as Kate is, she makes a meal and cleans up after it and the kids all know to put their stuff away. I watched "Little People" and if I heard Amy complain about "chaos" one more time I was going to scream. This family doesn't do a damn thing to clean up! Their home will never be big enough and it's already huge but they just throw clothes and food all over the place! It hurts to watch them!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I have to laugh at Jon waiting to get authentic hawaiian shirts for the boys...excuse me but those were quiksilver shirts were they not. quiksilver is all over the place. here in san diego, nyc, hawaii, vegas, disneyland etc. huh?

11/19/2008 9:37 PM

Trip to the local mall on any give day and you can find the brand QuickSilver. Sorry Jon, a collared 3/4 sleeve shirt with a palm leaf and floral pattern does not = 'authentic Hawaiian'.

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Ha ha! I thought that was the Quicksilver logo also, but then thought : it must be a local company whose logo is similiar to Q because Jon would NOT be stupid enough to buy an "authentic" Hawaiian shirt that could be bought at the Nordstrom Rack for $5.99.

I was wrong - Jon proves once again how stupid he really is.

Anonymous said...

With the price of luggage when flying these days, I find it hard to believe that Jon and Kate would ask for gifts and actually pay the freight to take them back to the mainland. The price and hassle of transporting gifts back to PA is more than the gift would be worth, unless its cash.
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Jon and Kate don't pay for a thing and they don't DO anything, so why would it even phase them?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Jenny is a college graduate and at least 22 years old. She is no teen. What are you folks going to do when this show goes off the air and everything is done in the privacy of the Gooslein home?

11/20/2008 9:39 AM

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If you know she's a college graduate shouldn't you at least know her age? Don't pretend to know someone when it's obvious you don't.

And what are we going to do when the show goes off the air? Be happy that the kids are no longer exploited on national television is a good start. But personally I'd still worry about their well-being with parents like that.

Anonymous said...

1) There were no hired stand-ins. So let's just finally take that off the table. Everyone you saw sitting in the chairs was an invited relative. The crew did not stand in as extras, either.
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Even if they were invited relatives, which I do think they were, Jon hadn't spoken to some of them in 20+ years, and others he has never even met. Meanwhile, immediate family, Bob/Beth, Uncle K/Aunt J are home. The whole situation just stinks of staged- for-tv crap.



2) There was no invitation with a gift list. Period. It just did not exist. The gifts we did bring were just small gifts that were representative of Hawaii, etc. Hawaii people just don't come to anything empty-handed.
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"Hawaii" people ? What does that mean , Kate, er, I mean anon?
Also, can you provide a link to a picture of the invite ?


3) The story about the crew cutting off the hula is again, not true. A family member did indeed perform the hula, and I recall nothing but cheering from everyone.
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Why wasn't this shown on tv? I would much rather have seen that then Kate hula'ing from her chair.



4) Kate did not shun the guests. As much as you probably don't want to hear it, she was very welcoming and talkative and genuinely seemed happy to meet us.
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Again, why wasn't this supposed wonderful Kate shown on tv ? All we saw was the normal cold, ungrateful biatch that we see every week.


Nice try, Kate, Jon or PR people. Actually, even though this is also poorly written, it's muc better than the intellectually-challenged KON could even produce.

Anonymous said...

I believe the reason Jon looked so unhappy during this ceremoney was because his Mother was not there. It must have been very awkward meeting relatives who know why your mom isn't invited. The relatives seemed to know them only by the TV show. How sad

Ilovemykids said...

OK who doesn't think this was totally written by Katie Irene??


It was not written by Kate. We all know she is not proficient in speaking or writing and this post was well written. Most likely it was a PR person.

Photo Mommy said...

First off, I don't believe a word either "ALLEGED ATTENDEES" say. Most of the allegations made were stuff WE SAW on the episode (minus the traditional dance allegation which, I find hard to believe that ALL the relatives tried to perform). Give us some new info that wasn't on the broadcasted episode, if you guys were so supposedly there! Furthermore, if you want to stick up for your supposed "family", then why are you doing it anonymously? Look at Jodi's sister on Truth Breeds Hatred! She doesn't hide who she is. And she's angry as all get-out! (YAY Jodi's sister!) Just reasons why I think these people aren't who they say they are.

I already can't stand J&K anymore. And you know who did the most damage to their images? THEY DID. Not some comments (although I've seen REALLY GOOD ONES here!(: ). They tarnished their OWN images of a struggling Christian family by continuing the madness that is the show. I don't need some anonymous poster adding fuel to the fire.

But I do have to comment on another poster saying

"Hawaii people"?? Hawai'ians, maybe?

You just gave yourself away!


...SO TRUE!!!!!!! I have to agree with most of you guys, I do think it's PR or Kate.
Remind me never to send my kid to whatever University they went to. They obviously don't teach them anything there.

Anonymous said...

I do appreciate the respect you have shown my family thus far, and I would sincerely appreciate it if you would try your best to continue to do so by giving my recollection of the events just as much credo as the first so-called relative.

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Just so you know, I am also suspicious of the first "relative"
that posted.

Anonymous said...

Once again, please try to have a more open mind. I am trying with all my might to be even-keeled, civil, and calm here, but by dismissing my post as fake, you have disrespected both me and my family. That is something that is hard for me to sit and watch. After all, I am Korean. (Take that for what it's worth. I'm just trying to make a joke here that they are notorious for having bad tempers.)

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If you read all the posts, most if not all are totally in favor of the family being there. I don't think anybody is trying to disrespect Jon's family. If anything, we feel badly for them that they were being used to film an episode about a bogus vow-renewal.

And, for the record, not all Koreans have bad tempers. I am 100%Korean as well - and watching this episode irked me to no end (for a million other reasons too )because Jon does not exhibit ANY of the characteristics I know most Koreans to embrace : family, respect, education, hard work. Jon is an embarrasment to Koreans.

So, again, I ask : if Kate and Jon were SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wonderful, why wasn't ANY of that footage shown ?

Anonymous said...

Hey mods-

(you don't have to post this if you don't want)

Can you tell when a comment was posted ? The supposed relative from Hawaii says it is 8 am Hawaii time. Can you validate that? All I see is the time it was posted here, 10:21 am east coast time, which is 4:21 am Hawaii time.

Anonymous said...

BTW everyone:

I saw a post (can't remember, there are so many about this epi!) from a person who said she was in the spa with Kate + the girls. She said she overheard Kate yelling about something and that the staff definitely did not seem thrilled that she was there ( nothing was said of the twins or tups).

I do believe this post to be valid. It told us of something that we didn't see on tv and didn't blab on forever - just a quick tidbit.

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to say that is this anon person is really part of jon's family, then why doesn't this person tell us something that wasn't part of the show. everything that this person attests to was part of the show. I don't believe him/her because his just repeating the show.
prove yourself anon person. otherwise i think it is a TLC PR person doing dammage control for the show and the gosselings.

Anonymous said...

I appears that a Grand Wailea staff member has continued on with their 'advertising' of the deserving Gosselin family by taking the time to defend the circumstances surrounding J & K's vow renewal ceremony that took place at their hotel. I know the Gosselin family received a free trip out of the deal, but question is, how much of the $$ that the Grand Wailea saved from exploiting the Gosselin children for purposes of free advertising are you seeing on your paycheck?? Tisk Tisk

Anonymous said...

Jon is an embarrasment to Koreans.
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oops, sorry, I meant embarrassment.

Anonymous said...

I don't record this show on my DVR anymore but I did cate the wedding episode when it was on last night. I'm kind of surprised that they would do an episode like this. It only perpetuates the rumors going around. I mean come on now, Kate even said she had never met most of the guests at the wedding. lol She could have at least pretended that she knew the relatives. I liked it when they showed the footage of a whopping two tables of guests who were total strangers for a wedding that must have cost a ton of money. And no mention whatsoever of anyone we've seen on the show? I also liked how Jon couldn't remember one thing about Kate's vows except for the ninety years thing and even tried to guess that she quoted scripture. He probably paid for that after the cameras stopped rolling.

Also, Mady is really getting worse it seems. It was like she could barely mask her contempt for the whole thing when she was arguing that she did not want to be the maid of honor. Did anyone else notice the incredulous eye blinking and attitude when Kate said that Mady was excited about it? Wow. When those kids rebel, and they WILL rebel eventually IMO, it isn't going to be pretty.

Anonymous said...

Uh, "Hawaiian" is an actual ethnicity therefore people FROM Hawaii don't call themselves Hawaiian unless they have Hawaiian blood in them.

Barack Obama is from Hawaii but isn't Hawaiian.

Someone with Korean ancestry who was born in Hawaii is not Hawaiian, he/she is from Hawaii. Which is why a Korean guy born in France isn't French.

So yes, those who aren't Hawaiian who are from Hawaii do refer to ourselves as "Hawaii people." Just because you know you have to put an okina between the last two i's in "Hawai‘i" doesn't make you a local. Anonymous clearly is.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe either 'family member' that has posted that they were at the wedding. What is the big deal about using your name? Exact circumstances? More details?

It's not like you have to worry about being shunned or ostracized by Jon and Kate - chances are you already are, unless they 'need' you again for some chair fill-ins and/or camera space and time.

Please give the details! Otherwise don't waste your time trying to prove yourselves, because obviously you're not doing a good enough job!

Anonymous said...

The 2nd person who said they were "at the wedding", stated they didn't want to go against the 'confidentility clause"....WHat exactly does that "clause" state? does it say you cannot give your name?
Did everyone at the wedding have to sign this,"clause"? If so, why..why could you have not gone to K/J's wedding and enjoyed it without signing a "clause"?..
If you want us to BELIEVE you you've got to do something that would allow us to "believe you"...FOr ex..show part of the invitation, (erase your name if you wish), or put some extra wedding photo's up for all to see...then , people may believe you.
Again, we're not for/or against J/K , but given there attitudes on the TV and how some people have seen them interact, (esp. in person)...help "us" to see another side of them...the one you said you saw...then, you'll see "us" post WOW statements!!

Anonymous said...

"it is not fair to J&K (regardless of what preconceptions you already have about them)"

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Really? Preconceptions? So what I see on TV is not real? Kate really isn't a beatch? Because that is how she comes across on each and every episode of Jon & Kate Plus 8. Way to go TLC..... and all along who would have thought she was this loving warm person who actually cuddles and loves her children.

"It might be a crazy life, but it is OUR life." Don't think we don't get the emphasis of OUR, Katie Irene.

Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Wow, I'm surprised there was a dry eye in the house. Between all of the gushy exchanges between KON and the confidentiality agreements, it must have been one sentimental affair! What a joke.

Anonymous said...

So yes, those who aren't Hawaiian who are from Hawaii do refer to ourselves as "Hawaii people." Just because you know you have to put an okina between the last two i's in "Hawai‘i" doesn't make you a local. Anonymous clearly is.

Ooh, cool, it has a name! "Okina." *makes note* I'd had no idea. However, I never claimed to be a local. I merely knew about the...okina!...from, you know, just paying attention to the way Hawai'i is spelled from reputable sources.

Thanks for the info, though! :D

beachluvin said...

Anonymous said...
Hawaii people just don't come to anything empty-handed.

"Hawaii people"?? Hawai'ians, maybe?

You just gave yourself away!

11/20/2008 9:43
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That is exactly how they refer to themselves, "Hawaii people". They are not Hawaiians, because they do not have Hawaiian blood. Many folks in Hawaii speak a broken type of English called Pidgeon English.
I am not from Hawaii but my family is and I spend many many years visiting 3-4 times a year and it is AUTHENTIC to say "Hawaii people".

Anonymous said...

I believe they were there. I've seen the nondisclosure document.

They would have to sign one, to be on the episode. Figure Eight films wouldn't want someone "spilling the beans" about the episode before it actually aired.

All reality TV "stars" and guests sign them. It's standard practice.

manya said...

Why do they feel it necessary to convince their children that they're going to be together forever? Is it because they see their parents fight and talk down to eachother all the time and maybe they've asked them more than once if they're getting divorced?

Sasha222 said...

You all know I despise the way Kon have gotten rich of the backs of their sweet children, and that I think Kate is just an awful lieing woman. But, I'm kind of confused as to why all of you guys are believing either of these supposed "relatives". I'd bet a million dollars that it's either:

A.) the same person writing both posts and are trying to get a rise out of you. They are probably sitting there laughing right now. It's called a troll.

B.) Some Kon supporter (with the second relative) that is trying their hardest to come up with something to defend their heros.

I'd take it with a grain of salt. If a relative really wanted to come outta the woodwork (even anonymously) they could find a bigger outlet. I love this site but not everyone knows about it.
And who knows if a relative would even care enough to come forward with all this stuff.

Be patient guys. One day a real tell-all will come out to expose Kon. Whether it be by a relative, crew member, or Mady...it's definitely coming.

Anonymous said...

Again, we're not for/or against J/K , but given there attitudes on the TV and how some people have seen them interact, (esp. in person)...help "us" to see another side of them...the one you said you saw...then, you'll see "us" post WOW statements!!
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I will be the first to admit that I am ANTI KON, especially Kate.

Anonymous said...

This is the "anon relative" who is so hell-bent on proving that Kon are good people:

Rather than making these anonymous postings about how good these 2 are, why doesn't your little PR firm tell Kate and Jon that they'll probably improve their image if they behave like honest human beings instead of the money-hungry low-lives that they present themselves to be!

Anonymous said...

NONSENSE!!!
Look people, I worked for Warner for a year and a half as a Production Assistant and there is NO SUCH THING AS A "CONFIDENTIALITY CLAUSE" ON A SHOW LIKE J&K!!
The *only* reason there would be one to sign is if it's a reality GAME SHOW where producers don't want the public to know the outcome such as Survivor, The Amazing Race, etc.
Even the majority a TV dramas don't have "clauses" like that unless you're on a show like Lost. One day, I got thrown in as a photo double on ER on the episode where Mekhi Phifer was killed off. THAT WAS HUGE. None of us photo doubles, stand ins, or extras had to sign anything and it's ER's last season!
To even insinuate that J&K's show is worthy of such a contract is laughable
Now--IN THE SO-CALLED RELATIVE'S DEFENSE:
They *may* have been exaggerating. What i mean by that is that when you appear on reality shows, you DO have to sign a RELEASE waiver stating that TLC, Figure 8 (whomever) has the right to use your likeness and any and all footage that contains your likeness in any way they please.
Perhaps they were thinking of that.

But there is no such thing as a confidentiality clause for a non-competition reality show.
Especially since they've been advertising for a solid month about the Wedding Event. I mean, there's no secret as to what's about to transpire! Hel-lo??!

Anonymous said...

Concerning the post by some members of Jon's family who attended that travesty of a wedding. They said they were sent a list of "appropriate" gifts to give. Then they were "shunned" by Kate at the wedding. They should have given Kate an etiquette book.
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I would have gotten them the book 'How to Win Friends and Influence People'. If they'd ever watched one of their shows they would know this is what they need.

beachluvin said...

Anonymous said...
This is the "anon relative" who is so hell-bent on proving that Kon are good people:

Rather than making these anonymous postings about how good these 2 are, why doesn't your little PR firm tell Kate and Jon that they'll probably improve their image if they behave like honest human beings instead of the money-hungry low-lives that they present themselves to be!

11/20/2008 2:43 PM
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You must be reading something completely different than I am. The first post from the anonymous relative was a negative post towards Kate. The second one was very neutral. I tend to believe the second poster, there really is no reason to be so hostile to her. She is just trying to help by clearing up the fact that the first report was false. It's our choice to believe what we want but really there is no reason to be hostile towards her, who knows she might want to share more information. As I mentioned before, my family is from Hawaii and I feel her post was very authentic. JMO!!!!
As far as the confidentiality agreement goes, it could have simply been a request to not share photographs or leak information before the "air" date.
And let's be honest, their really is not much love for the Gosselins on the internet and production probably didn't want to add any more fuel to the fire. As I said, JMHO!!!!

Anonymous said...

You must be reading something completely different than I am. The first post from the anonymous relative was a negative post towards Kate. The second one was very neutral. I tend to believe the second poster, there really is no reason to be so hostile to her. She is just trying to help by clearing up the fact that the first report was false.

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The first "guest" was not posting comments in favor of KON, but we have no evidence this person is who he/she claims to be.

The second poster was NOT neutral. This "relative" was going on and on about how great KON were to them, how warm and happy they were, how wonderful the wedding was. My question to him/her was : if Kate was so welcoming, why wasn't that shown ? If there were relatives that performed a traditional Hawaiian dance, why wasn't that shown ?

I really don't believe either of these posters being legit, but that's just me.

Anonymous said...

Well, one thing we do know for sure is that not one mainland friend or family member appeared on camera at the Hawaii re-wedding. This is a fact. And it's an odd one. It would have been a huge PR coup to be able to show a familiar face--take that unbelievers! It didn't happen, and there was plenty of money to make it happen. Not one person. This show was a major miscalculation. Spin it, Jon and Kate.

Anonymous said...

"NONSENSE!!!
Look people, I worked for Warner for a year and a half as a Production Assistant and there is NO SUCH THING AS A "CONFIDENTIALITY CLAUSE" ON A SHOW LIKE J&K!!"

Sorry you couldn't be more wrong. There is a nondisclosure. I saw it, I signed one.

In addition to not talking about what happens during XXXXXX I also am not allowed to talk to reporters. I am not allowed to confirm or deny things, talk about what is filmed, what isn't filmed. What the children do, what J&K do etc.

Anonymous said...

oh, also, I am not confusing the two...not only were we given a nondisclosure, but also a wavier for filming. There were two things we were required to sign.

Anonymous said...

There have been several reports previously of others signing confidentialty agreements. They seem to have begun this season. Working on one show does not seem to give a full experience of what could happen on another show.

Anonymous said...

I just want to say thank you to beachluvin and the others who have managed to understand the point of my presence here. Beachluvin got it exactly right in saying that I am trying to be more neutral than anything and that I am just trying to clear up the facts.

Think of it this way. Try to put yourself in my shoes. If you went to an event and, prior to that event, you heard a lot of negative things about the people you were about to meet. When you actually meet these people for the first time, your experience with them is rather positive. Would you come back from that event and tell everyone that those people were mean to you, even though they were not? Would you?

As for the confidentiality agreement, I'm sorry to disappoint everyone who seems to think they know everything, but there was indeed one. If you absolutely feel you need to confirm this, go ahead and try contacting Figure 8 and ask them if it exists. I'd show it to you, except that I'm bound by it.

Alright, I have come to the sad realization that most of you will continue to believe only what you want to believe. I find it quite hypocritical that you took the first so-called relative's post as the complete truth and did not question it at all, yet when my post came along, you attacked me as if I committed a crime and demanded proof of authenticity.

I am not particularly fond of this breeding of unfounded hate. I suppose I am the only one to blame for even trying to set the record straight. Now I am upset that I even bothered. I wasted a lot of time and energy for nothing.

Thanks again to those who did believe me. Thanks also to the recent posters who chimed in regarding the confidentiality agreement.

Now I am going to step outside for a breath of fresh air.

Anonymous said...

"Unbelievers"? No, no. I'm Kateifying the English language. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

To the "Second Relative"

I believe that you were an invited guest at the event and that you had a good experience. I hope that (if it is your will) that you continue to have a good relationship with J&K. I hope that if you were able to get to know and bond with the children that it all turns out well. We (viewers) have watched other good people, friends and relatives like yourself, bond with this family only to be shut out for little or no reason. This is very hurtful to them but most damaging to the children involved. This is why we get so defensive. We have seen too many people like you get hurt. We wonder where these good people have gone and why. I can only imagine the questions the children ask. It would've been nice to see, as a viewer, you and your family meeting some of these seemingly wonderful people at this event. That would have been enough to quiet some of this outrage and skepticism.


Do you watch the show? Have you watched it all along or just recently? If you have then, you have seen Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin and their kids, Beth,Bob and their kids etc. You may also have seen the behaviors, and caught some of the lies and inconsistencies that have caused us to seek out blogs like this. I'm guessing you have because otherwise why would you be on this blog too.

I can only speak for myself but: I may come across as cynical or negative but I really am only frustrated by the way these people behave sometimes. And, I worry about their kids' future. Especially Mady.

Anonymous said...

Think of it this way. Try to put yourself in my shoes. If you went to an event and, prior to that event, you heard a lot of negative things about the people you were about to meet. When you actually meet these people for the first time, your experience with them is rather positive. Would you come back from that event and tell everyone that those people were mean to you, even though they were not? Would you?
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No, I wouldn't. But I also wouldn't try to convince many people that what we saw on THE WEDDING EPISODE just didn't "capture Kate as she really was/is". Again, I will ask : if Kate and Jon were soooooo wonderful, where is the footage showing this ? Why are we shown Kate doing a pathetic hula from her chair instead of a beloved relative performing a traditional dance ? It's great to have extended family, but where are all the members of KON's immediate family ? NOT ONE immediate family member or friend showed up, only a handful of distant relatives KON either haven't seen in 20+ years or have never even met ?




I am not particularly fond of this breeding of unfounded hate. I suppose I am the only one to blame for even trying to set the record straight. Now I am upset that I even bothered. I wasted a lot of time and energy for nothing.

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Unfounded? On the episodes I have watched, there is an overflow of footage showing KON at their worst. How is my negative opinion unfounded ? If you truly are a relative, I feel sorry for you that your cousin/uncle/step-brother/whatever Jon is the type of person he is and is married to the ultimate witch, Kate.

Anonymous said...

Alright, I have come to the sad realization that most of you will continue to believe only what you want to believe. I find it quite hypocritical that you took the first so-called relative's post as the complete truth and did not question it at all, yet when my post came along, you attacked me as if I committed a crime and demanded proof of authenticity.
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FYI: I don't believe the first "guest" is legit either.

Anonymous said...

To the so-called relative, the reason why no one believes you is because you sound so incredibly fake. If you are who you say you are no one would take the time for these long winded replies and comments. I counted at least 3 very long comments from you just today. And all of a sudden there's these long anonymous comments from 1 or 2 people that all of a sudden believe you. I smell a rat. And her name is Kate Gosselin.

Anonymous said...

In addition to not talking about what happens during XXXXXX I also am not allowed to talk to reporters. I am not allowed to confirm or deny things, talk about what is filmed, what isn't filmed. What the children do, what J&K do etc.
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If what you say is true, then this statement would lead one to wonder what in the world goes on behind the scenes with the Gosselins that would require such a document? One's mind could run wild with scenarios of what goes on that can't be talked about! If they are indeed as wonderful as they claim, why would they not allow people to talk to reporters? If there is nothing negative to report, then no harm would be done if one did speak to a member of the press. If what you say is true, then that would lead one to believe that some pretty unsavory things must be going on behind the scenes that they don't want leaked out.

By agreeing to not confirm or deny what events or situations you witnessed could also be the translated as the equivalent of agreeing to commit the sin of omission.

My Church teaches that sin is any thought, word, deed, or omission contrary to the law of God. Therefore, it is not only what we do, but what we fail to do that counts.

As a Christian myself, I am afraid I would refuse to sign any document that would possibly require me to place myself deliberately in a proximate occasion of sin. J&K claim to be Christians and as such, they should not have asked this of their family.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 7:26: Thanks for treating me with the civility and politeness I think I deserve. Yes, I have seen quite a few episodes of the show, and I am aware of what people are saying about their relationships, but again, I don't know the details, so I am not going to be judgmental. I can only say what my experience has been.

To Anon 7:35: It is pointless going back and forth with people like you.

No, I wouldn't. But I also wouldn't try to convince many people that what we saw on THE WEDDING EPISODE just didn't "capture Kate as she really was/is". Again, I will ask : if Kate and Jon were soooooo wonderful, where is the footage showing this ? Why are we shown Kate doing a pathetic hula from her chair instead of a beloved relative performing a traditional dance ?

Please go back and read my posts. Never do I say anything of the likes of what you said. I don't know where in the world you are getting this from. All I said was that they were nice to us. Period. I never, EVER made any sort of assertion about character in general. I reserve that sort of judgment for people with whom I have actually spent a considerable amount of time.

As to why the episode did not show our family member doing the hula, I have no idea why you and others are asking me. I am not part of the production team. I don't edit these episodes. In fact, I'm not even sure that the camera guys were there when this took place. Believe it or not, they did leave us to have some private time with the kids without the cameras.

I am not particularly fond of this breeding of unfounded hate. I suppose I am the only one to blame for even trying to set the record straight. Now I am upset that I even bothered. I wasted a lot of time and energy for nothing.

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Unfounded? On the episodes I have watched, there is an overflow of footage showing KON at their worst. How is my negative opinion unfounded ?


You can have a negative opinion, but the way in which many people here seem to be expressing themselves is just disrespectful and practically malicious.

I was actually referring to your apparent unfounded hate and distrust of ME. You have no basis for that. You don't even know me. It is so easy for all of you to hide behind a computer and say these hurtful things even to me, an innocent 3rd party who was just trying to set the record straight, especially since you guys seem SO interested in knowing the 'facts.' Clearly, however, some of you are only interested in hearing what you want to hear.

Okay, now I seriously have a headache. I need to just give up. and go do something positive. It's pointless.

Anonymous said...

To the anon poster who keeps running back for more.

OK, assuming that we believe you, why does it matter if we all think that Kon are a couple of mean-spirited people? Apparently you do not know that they have a proven and well documented history of corruption.

You yourself has said that you don't even know if they are really nice or not. So what's the big deal?

The more you keep running back here to refute something that you claim isn't important to you the more you lose credibility.

MsPeabody said...

I worry about what will become of these eight kids once the show and all it's people have gone. I know that is what has to happen but I do hope that Jon and Kate will humble themselves and go and apologize to their family members for what they have done in the hopes that they can be re-united and brought back into the children's lives. Jon and Kates extended family and friends will be the only hope for healing to begin in these kids.

Anonymous said...

To Anon. 8:14pm...take some aspirin, and use your time wisely writing TLC and Sponsors of this KON GAME. That is what we ALL should be doing until the children
are protected from parental explotation on ALL "Reality TV" programs.

Anonymous said...

To the Moderators of this blog:
Thank you for allowing comments from "all sides" through. You let 2 relatives speak giving completely different versions of the wedding. You want us to read and make up our own minds. Thank you.

Can you contribute some other helpful information? Where are the 2 relatives posting from? At another blog, they were able to tell us (Gosselin-watchers) why they felt a screen name was a sock puppet or just fake. More than once they offered the fact that no one from xxxxx was posting or the IP matched xxxxx part of the country. Do you know how to get that information for us, too? It would help us decide which version is correct. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

She's a maniac:

I am Anon 7:26. I am not Kate, Jon or PR or in any way associated with them. In fact, I am by far not a fan of theirs. I was just trying to be respectful to someone who is on attack. I think he/she might be right about the fact that she is being attacked for stating her observations and point of view. Her point of view is not mine but that doesn't make her wrong.

Let's try and be respectful.

Anonymous said...

Confidentialty clauses within television shows are usually only apply to people who are paid for appearing on a show/shows. So, relative of Jon, how much were you paid to participate in this farce?

I believe I remember reading where when TLC agreed to pay Jodi for her appearances on J&K, but requested that she sign a confidentiality agreement? Jodi refused, if I recall correctly.

Anonymous said...

I have a question for my fellow posters. Some of you say that Kate reads what we post. If so, wouldn't she have a clue by now? Also, it has been suggested that Kate also posts back on this site. How do you know this? I must be getting old because I don't know what to look for to recognize this.

Anonymous said...

You pretty much never see Kate smile.

Anonymous said...

"I am Anon 7:26. I am not Kate, Jon or PR or in any way associated with them. In fact, I am by far not a fan of theirs. I was just trying to be respectful to someone who is on attack. I think he/she might be right about the fact that she is being attacked for stating her observations and point of view. Her point of view is not mine but that doesn't make her wrong.

Let's try and be respectful."

Although I am not a fan of Kate, I am not going to argue about whether or not someone is "who they say they are". Two people posted that they were guests at the vow renewal, with two different points of view. Why can't we just read them and believe or not?? I can't see how anyone can "prove" who they are anyway, nor should anyone have to.

Anonymous said...

I am the original person who posted about my experience at Jon and Kate Gosselin's island affair. None of us signed any type of agreement to keep quit although we were asked to sign away a release form for the television special staff to videotape. From what I understand not everyone though in attendance signed this. As a family member I also wish to protect Kate and Jon and their children. I have thought about this for a while and the best way they can achieve this is to withdraw from a life of cameras and show business and special TV programs because it is doing more harm than good. If they truly found love with each other as they professed at their ceremony then nothing else should matter, not money or accolades or material possessions. They need to set an example for their children. When I spoke to my sister-in-law yesterday she filled me in on a circumstance that I was not aware of. In one of the powder rooms she bumped into Kate and one of the smaller children. As she smiled at the child and put her hand out to embrace her Kate said to her daughter to leave that lady alone. According to my sister-in-law it was said with such a powerful intensity that completely startled her. I was not there to witness this but I have no doubt in my mind that it happened as my sister-in-law has no need to deceive anyone. I do not know if Kate and Jon's intentions were pure when they invited us. Of course I hope they were but as I stated in the original message I am thankful that we were invited to the lavish engagement. I know that I can speak for my family when I say that even though there were a few hurtful moments I do not harbor anything but kindness and love. If I said anything to offend anyone please accept my apology as that was not my intent.

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