The Wedding Episode Struck a Journalistic Nerve

This episode has apparently struck a nerve. Here are two articles that ran today.

This national syndicate appeared in the Reading Eagle, a local paper in the Gosselin neck of the woods.

The Boston Herald ran this piece.

It would seem that the freebie train has some cars derailing.

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Anonymous said...

The tide is turning...

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate, your ship is sinking!

Dew said...

It's nice that a local paper isn't afraid to tell the truth about them. No wonder Jon and Kate have wanted to move out of there so badly. They've already burned so many bridges, including all the journalists I bet they thought would be ga-ga for them.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure there are positive articles as well. I'm a big fan of Jon and Kate and the family. This was a great episode.

katie said...

Actually I dont think there are many positive articles coming from the Reading Eagle. I am from there and I find it funny how some people who arent from here read the articles that were posted in 2004-05 and say that everyone from Reading must be jealous or we dont have reasons for our feelings to be negative. If people from their own hometown dont even like them, how do people think its all lies?

Anonymous said...

Thank goodness more and more people are noticing what a crock this show really is. I really feel very sorry for the Gosselin kids. :(

Quinn said...

I love to see this negative press. The ride is almost over for these two. Let's hope the kids can have a normal life one of these years.

Anonymous said...

I just finished watching the "vow renewal" episode. I had been fan of the show for the past few years, but over the last year, I cannot get past how insensitive Kate can be at times. Did you hear there thanking all the guests, it just seemed so impersonible. LOL......she call them little and cute... what the H*LL????? Jon, it was nice to meet your little and cute relatives.

I think I only saw Jon hug a couple of relatives. You would think, not seeing some of them in over 20 years, he would be a little more excited.

Its time to move on. The family, especially the kids need to see what a normal life is.

Anonymous said...

I like the show. Their wedding guests were slim pickins though. I wonder if the reason why not many relative showed up is because of Kate. I think that Kate is finally getting a clue on her bad treatment of Jon. Unfortunately most wives don't appreciate their husbands as much as they should (me included). Jon just kept repeating '90 years'. Kate keeps slapping Jon and touching his face - there's is something wrong with that - it's not endearing. I feel bad for them - it's going to take a lot of work to get their relationship on the right track, if they even can. Those poor kids might not ever learn how a good relationship should work. I still love all the kids.

No Longer a Viewer said...

Comment:

I think I only saw Jon hug a couple of relatives. You would think, not seeing some of them in over 20 years, he would be a little more excited.

Reply:

Jon is Asian-American, and, while he himself may be physically demonstrative, it could be that his relatives--especially the older ones--are not. That's just part of Asian or Asian-influenced culture.

vipersue said...

I thought it was really sad that not 1 friend or family member cared enough for them to come to Hawaii for their vow renewal. They really have alienated every one in their lives. How sad for the kids. I know they were close to their cousins and to Beths kids. The only people they could get to come to the vows were some distant relatives and paid staff. Kate said something like I dont think your family every believed they would get to meet us like it was a real treat for them. She has such an ego!

Anonymous said...

TLC needs to take this show off the air............

HORRIBLE show and actually not good example of role models for parents.

This couple is lazy and they have milked the system for everything they can. I feel sorry for the people that believe this bunch of con-artist and are sending them money and gifts....pleaseeeeeeeee

Anonymous said...

I'm just glad this episode is done, so I don't have to watch the commercials for it twenty times a day. Gag.

Anonymous said...

Vipersue-

Maybe their family couldn't afford to pay for the trip. No fault of KON.

Ravello said...

I did not watch last night. I'm impressed a reporter from another city was able to aptly size up the KON's after watching the wedding show.
This show is so over, KONS your 15 minutes are up. Get off stage.

TLC needs to end this charade.
Kate's only hope is to try to get a series recreating the old PBS reality show about the Loud's. Show the family breakup on reality TV, discuss separation and divorce on camera. It is obvious there is no love or emotion left in this relationship.

I don't recognize this family anymore. It is very sad to see what they became, they whored themselves out for greed, money and fame.

Jim S said...

The Boston Herald piece was a million kinds of awesome. For some reason, I still watch the show, perhaps because it's like a traffic accident that you slow down to look at as you drive by. You hate yourself for doing it, yet you're stll compelled to.

My eyes rolled in disbelief last night as we saw more shots of the boys running around in their underwear. Can these kids please have some freaking privacy?

And last night proved to me once and for all that it has come to be all about the freebies and me,me,me. Trips within the state, even Florida are one thing, but a freebie on this grand a scale is very hard to stomach. Hopefully the younger kids are too young to comprehend the special treatment and Mady and Cara too cynical to care, because I really wouldn't want to be around when the gravy train ends and they end up with a massive sense of entitlement.

MidnightSun said...

From the Boston Herald article:

“Jon & Kate” has become increasingly about the freebies the Pennsylvania family can gather. The visits to increasingly far-flung destinations are nothing more than travel infomercials, with the kids as adorable props.

Sadly, that about sums it up. It's time for J&K to call it quits with this show.

Anonymous said...

Stick a fork in them they're done. This show can't last much long. I predict by this time next year we'll see Kate going on the b-grade talk shows touting how she's "changed and different."

SkippyMom said...

I found it interesting that the editor in the Boston Herald piece having the final decision on captioning the picture of the wedding party he chose:

“Jon & Kate” has become increasingly about the freebies the Pennsylvania family can gather"

He could've picked anything from the article - but he chose what is sure to be the death knell for the show - and guaranteed to slow down = if not stop their freebie train.

Lordy bee - what will become of them?

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

I thought it was really sad that not 1 friend or family member cared enough for them to come to Hawaii for their vow renewal.

Do you really think they even invited anyone? This wasn't about J&K renewing their vows. It was a win-win for everyone involved. Kate gets her dream vacation and TLC gets a months worth of episodes. Period!

Anonymous said...

No Longer a Viewer said...

Jon is Asian-American, and, while he himself may be physically demonstrative, it could be that his relatives--especially the older ones--are not. That's just part of Asian or Asian-influenced culture.

11/17/2008 10:12 PM

I am Asian. Actually Asians are more touchy-feely than Americans. We are used to the large population and we have no issues with personal space. Of course, this is just my personal opinion. I think it was more of Jon not wanting to hug the others because he has no idea who they are, but he hugged the older women because of respect. And he probably misses his mom, too.
He kept talking about how he learned stuffs about his mom from his relatives, then he stopped himself, thinking probably that if he still has a great relationship with his mom that there's no need for the relatives to tell him about it, his mom can just tell him herself!
I watched the show and I noticed how controlling Kate is. I feel bad for Jon, I think the only reason he is putting up with this is he really loves Kate, and the kids, so Kate is using that to control him, and undermine him, and utterly shamelessly ridicule him every chance she gets. Oh, and I noticed a love slap. Kate just can't control herself. Old habits die hard.

Anonymous said...

I also loved this line from the Boston Herald:

If we’re rewarding people on the basis of fertility, shouldn’t the prizes go to the least blessed?


Right on.

Anonymous said...

Wow! Well said. Pretty much what has been said here. I just had a disagreement (close to an argument) with a coworker about the show and the Gosselins. She sees nothing wrong with them making money the way they are. She had all her facts wrong but she's the type you can't say anything because she's always right and needs the last word..ARRR!!

C said...

All I can say is - IT'S ABOUT TIME!

Darlene said...

I have been a fan of the Gosselins from the start but last nights episode did nothing for me and then watching the TT&S family after just showed how much they changed. At first I could relate to Jon and Kate with the folding of laundry and grocery shopping but now it's just sad. I always found Jon very shallow. When they talked about Kate's tummy he was ignorant and she just laughed it off. To me Kate was alot more easy going in the beginning and changed as the show went on but to me Jon was very into the free stuff and appearance of everything. I honestly don't know what to think now. The kids have some behaviour problems and I wonder now about the long tern affects. For the families sake I hope things slow down soon but it will be very interesting to see where these kids are in 10-15 years and how much of an impact this whole tv thing will have on them.

Anonymous said...

If it's the freebies that finally get this show kicked off the air then great. If the freebies get them bad press even better. But I hope all the resentment over the freebies does not over shadow the most important thing, this kids ARE being exploited. Once this show is done there will be another and another and another. Hopefully more comes out of this show then, we better not give the new family so much free stuff. There needs to be laws in place to protect children from the exploiting eye of the camera

Anonymous said...

Is there ANY other word in their vocabulary besides AWESOME and/or gimme more-gimme me-gimme gimme gimme more????

Anonymous said...

I too am so glad the episode is over so we don't have to watch those commercials.

I started watching the show because of the kids and I wanted to see how a family of that size coped. Then I started noticing Kate's behavior. I no longer saw the family or it's struggles. The show became all about what nasty thing Kate would say or do next. I couldn't stop myself from watching this trainwreck.

Well, the wedding episode changed all of that. I deleted it from my DVR. I deleted the timer as well. I will no longer be watching this show. I no longer be a part of the money-making machine for Jon and Kate.

Marie said...

This show jumped the shark over a year ago. Yet they are still on the air. Guarantee they will be on the air for at least another year. I believe they wrapped up season 4 and are starting season 5 in their new house. I feel its a wasted effort in trying to get this show off the air. no matter how much bad publicity they have thrown at them. They just counter it with good publicity. Like the latest NE article.... a few weeks later the NE was promoting people to watch the show. I just dont get it....

Anonymous said...

Last night's episode was truly one of the worst yet.

1. These two have the personalities of dead fish. When tasting to choose the cake they wanted they showed absolutely no enthusiasm and barely even thanked the cake decorator when they left.

2. They were in Hawaii for 2 weeks and it seemed pretty obvious that they only saw Jon's family for the wedding only. They couldn't leave the resort to go visit one day without cameras and enjoy getting to know these people? It all seemed so impersonal. AND KATE. What does she have to say? They are little and cute and they brought us gifts. Well I'm sure they've seen enough episodes to know they wouldn't be well received without them.

3. Mady was a hoot. She wanted no part of being Kate's Maid of Honour. That had to be the highlight of the show.

4. Do Jon & Kate consider themselves to be public speakers? Because the speeches they gave at the wedding were so inarticulate and lame I couldn't believe it. Kate could barely formulate a thought. I'm sure she was nervous but come on. I would think she'd be a little more prepared. She has had a little practice at public speaking in the last few years.

5. Okay, Jon's favourite part about Kate's renewal vows - the scripture???? And she didn't quote one piece of scripture. I swear, they are sinking themselves. They are becoming a joke. And I truly believe that TLC knows it and is focusing on it because they know it will bring in viewers.

6. They kept going on about how they wanted the kids to witness this renewal of vows to reassure them that they would be together forever. What 8 & 4 year old kids would ever even entertain that thought??? They give us the lamest reasons for justifying doing the things they do. They wanted a free trip to Hawaii and needed a reason for it - plain and simple.

ashley said...

Im glad the truth is finally coming out, its about time. Jon and Kate are nothing but greedy people and if they didnt have 8 kids and a TV show I honestly believe they would be living in the slums or mooching off relatives. Neither one of them are ambitious when it comes to work.

ashley said...

I find it odd that at least Beth didnt fly out for the big event.......Its obvious Beth has money and Kate has said that Beth is her best friend, wouldnt somebody that close want to be at a big event like that. It makes me believe that Beth is no longer part of the picture, which is really sad for the kids and Beth.

Chrissy said...

Great to see some of the media starting to print the truth about J&K instead of just PR releases. I really feel that TLC pushed too far with the over the top wedding trip and that d**n commercial playing endlessly all day long. Even my daughter, who loves this show, was sick of it and doesn't want to watch anymore (and she does not read any of these blogs).

Fake, fake, and more fake said...

Check out the photo on the Boston Herald page.....Mady and Cara look pissed off. The boys have a glazed-over look in their eyes.

Kate made such a big deal beforehand out of the ceremony being for the purpose of the kids understanding her and daddy were together forever.
And yet, the tups were busy playing on chairs and with leis during the ceremony. Later, on the confessional couch, she said it didn't matter that the kids weren't paying attention.
Kate, which is it ? Get your story straight.

Maybe the reason Jon didn't seem very warm towards his "relatives" is that it was just a rent-a-family!

C2 said...

"I'm sure there are positive articles as well. I'm a big fan of Jon and Kate and the family. This was a great episode."

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Nice try Kate! :)

Anonymous said...

Mady, sweet adorable Mady. I just love the way she always calls her mother on things.:] The comment in the chapel was very telling. Kate tried to make it seem as if Mady was thrilled to be her flower girl or maid of honor or whatever.

I don't think Kate knows what to do with her. LOL

Wish I could see how Kate handles the girls as teenagers.

Unfortunately, some of the girls have picked up Kate's attitude and temperment already, how sad.

It was so apparent during the vow renewal that her side of the family was oddly M.I.A. Same feeling of being alone during her stint on "Say Yes to the Dress."

Other brides had a lot of family members present when they tried on their gowns but Kate was sitting all alone in the waiting area.

You reap what you sow Katie.

Moons in Leo said...

Bravo to the Boston Herald and Reading Eagle! Enough already with this family.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was really sad that not 1 friend or family member cared enough for them to come to Hawaii for their vow renewal. They really have alienated every one in their lives. How sad for the kids. I know they were close to their cousins and to Beths kids. The only people they could get to come to the vows were some distant relatives and paid staff. Kate said something like I dont think your family every believed they would get to meet us like it was a real treat for them. She has such an ego!

Trust me, a woman like Kate, her first order of business after the wedding (the first one!) was to do her best to get rid of all Jon's friends. Which given Kate's personality I'm sure didn't take long. Also given her personality it's a safe bet she never had any close girl friends of her own. As to their family members, we all know how that went. In the clips of their original wedding video, everyone including parents' faces were blurred out. Kate is petty, spiteful and vindictive. And she has the gall to call herself a Christian!

Not to mention, if they did have friends and family, they would probably be middle class like the rest of us and drowning in the economic situation. And you don't think Kate would pick up the tab for them to come, now do you really?

Frankly, I'm not even sure I believe those people at the wedding were Jon's relatives and not hired "extras". Or that if they were relatives, the only reason they were there is because they were comped rooms, meals, golf and other amenities by TLC. If so I'm sure Kate was fuming.

Anonymous said...

The sense of entitlement is sickening. Do they really think because they had children they are REALLY that special? Wow, I, too, must be SUPERMOM of the Year! Sign me up! :)

Anonymous said...

So glad to see that even the media finds these two "takers" as tedious as I did when I watched the show. I loved it when one said they had some gall to think we care. He was right on. They are the epitome of the worst of human nature and an embarassment to their generation.

PKD-in-Illinois said...

"I thought it was really sad that not 1 friend or family member cared enough for them to come to Hawaii for their vow renewal.

Sadly, I think you're missing the point. I'm willing to bet that quite a few, if not dozens, of family members "cared enough" to come to the vow renewal. The problem is that you must be invited to come to a vow renewal.

If Jon & Kate don't care enough about their friends and family to invite them to walk a half block down the street to their house for dinner ... what's the chances that they would invite them to go half way round the world with them?

Anonymous said...

"Do you really think they even invited anyone? This wasn't about J&K renewing their vows. It was a win-win for everyone involved. Kate gets her dream vacation and TLC gets a months worth of episodes. Period!"

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Precisely! It doesn't take a rocket science to figure this couple or TLC out. Enough already.

Anonymous said...

As to those who think the Gosselins are set for life. They may be but not the life they are currently living. For one the figures thrown around for their per episode charge have never been verified and for season 3 were inflated by a factor of about 10. They are in a very high tax bracket so you need to take that off the top plus they have agents and PR people who usually take a percentage of earnings as their salary.

They may not have to work again but maintaining a million dollar house and GW vacations in a $17000 a night suite aren't in their future after the show ends.

Anonymous said...

"Those poor kids might not ever learn how a good relationship should work."

Plenty of kids don't learn how a good relationship should work. My parents are divorced and many others can say the same. I think Jon and Kate are setting a good example by saying they're in it for the long haul. Plenty of couples go through rocky periods in their marriage but not all can get through it. Besides, I'm pretty sure Jon and Kate would have similar problems regardless of the cameras being there or not. We can't hold them to unrealistic expectations just because they're on camera. They're only human.

Anonymous said...

“Leis & Luaus”—somebody really should have told J&K+8 producers you don’t add an “s” to the plurals of either Hawaiian word.

Anonymous said...

"They're only human"

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Really? Because they act far too superior than a human being. Kate doesn't make mistakes or didn't you notice?

Jennifer said...

Did anyone else happen to notice from "the wedding episode" during the part where Kate is commenting on how beautiful the girls' hair looks, that it doesn't even look as though Mady has had ANYTHING done? My husband and I were wondering....

PKD-in-Illinois said...

You know, I was thinking ... maybe it's time for an intervention. It doesn't have to be filmed ... in fact, it shouldn't be.

If Kate's parents, her brothers, her sister, Beth & Bob, the Nanas ... maybe if they all as a group told Jon & Kate that they MISS being part of their lives .. that they MISS being part of the kids' lives ... that they don't like seeing those precious children's personal, private moments on national television ... maybe SOMETHING would get through to them.

I've gone through the seven stages with these people ... I was in denial and thought Jon & Kate were great ... I was angry about what a bunch of users and freeloaders they are ... now I'm just sad.

I'm sad that their son likes to pretend a palm frond is a boom mic. I'm sad that their daughter is nearing crisis mode and NEEDS their attention. I'm sad that this WILL end and those kids are going to wonder where Scott the cameraman went ... since he's the closest thing to an uncle they have right now.

[sigh] I guess the next step is acceptance?

WhitneySmith said...

She sees nothing wrong with them making money the way they are. She had all her facts wrong but she's the type you can't say anything because she's always right and needs the last word..ARRR!!

I think that the people who see nothing wrong with it are just sucked into the lavish vacations and all the freebies. They want all that but don't think about the consequences of it. It's like watching their dreams and desires on television. An escape for them.

Anonymous said...

That was an awfully quick kiss they gave each other at the end of the ceremony. Well, at least Kate kept her mouth shut most of the time critizing the kids. I actually did like this episode, better than the ones leading up to it. I also liked the fact they had the kids talking a little more in the beginning of the show.

Anonymous said...

I never really had a problem with this family (other than Kate's CONSTANT nagging of Jon) until I found out that they lie about pretty much everything on their show. I was really disappointed to learn about the private organic chef and round the clock help they apparently have. Also, learning how they have alienated their entire family and network of friends - its really a shame (Or should I say Sham?). I know much of reality TV has set-ups and re-dos but pretending how much they struggle and how much time Kate spends cooking/cleaning, when none of it is true, really makes me mad. I can't stand to watch the show anymore. These are NOT the same people who, in one of the original eppy's, moved themselves via U-Haul to a new home. Not the same people at all.

Anonymous said...

Phony, phony, phony. The "remarriage" episode was awkward and embarrassing. Jon and Kate's traveling show totally fell flat. Their "thank yous" to the wedding planner, chefs, etc. sounded like cold afterthoughts. Two more blase people do not exist.

The children looked adorable, but had not a clue as to any significance of this mock wedding ceremony. I expected that they might be a little awed by the flower circle etc. but for them it was just another "smile for the camera" event.

Jon and Kate danced as if they were polite strangers. The whole show was empty and sad. How deplorable! I am finished with this show. I wish the best for these children, but I cannot watch this anymore.

Anonymous said...

Jennifer said...
Did anyone else happen to notice from "the wedding episode" during the part where Kate is commenting on how beautiful the girls' hair looks, that it doesn't even look as though Mady has had ANYTHING done? My husband and I were wondering....

11/18/2008 7:52 AM


You are correct in that assumption. In the episode when the girls were getting their hair done, Kate asked Mady if she had picked out what she wanted done yet. Mady replied with do I HAVE to get my hair done? Kate replied with NO ,you do not. Mady was able to wear her hair like she normally does.

Anonymous said...

For those that wrote of the behavior of the children in the last post, where are they now. That wedding was like a free for all for those children. They talked, hit and ran around during the entire ceremony and it wasn't just one of them it was almost all. I thought it would be a little more formal and a lot less like a joke. Jon and Kates poor attempt at humor during the ceremony was odd. Oh, I am sorry I forgot all this makes for good TV.

dotsicle said...

"....during the part where Kate is commenting on how beautiful the girls' hair looks, that it doesn't even look as though Mady has had ANYTHING done?"

Yes. Mady said she didn't want curls so Kate didn't force her to have them. (Mady rarely wants to go with the flow. Just another Mady Moment.)

Anonymous said...

"They may not have to work again but maintaining a million dollar house and GW vacations in a $17000 a night suite aren't in their future after the show ends."

11/18/2008 7:36 AM

I agree. However, there are many a J & K sheeple that are of the opinion that if the show were to end tomorrow, 'what would happen to this family, specifically the children'. As if all the trips to the amusement parks, luxery resort vacations, brand name clothing, preferential treatment and living in a 24 acre McMansion equals a life time of happiness and security for the Gosselin children.
That the Gosselin family are DESERVING of an accomodated lifestyle simply because of 'the children'; and the two able bodied adults that brought them in to this world are exempt from a standard of responsibility that is expected of and placed upon every other couple/individual with children in our society. I find it very disturbing that so many of the J & K supporters are seemingly of the belief that fame, fortune, and living an accomodated lifestyle are such an essential requirement to the responsibilities and obligations that go along with parenting and raising a child. What I have seen of J & K, there is much focus on their preservation of immediate fame and fortune and very little effort on their part in actually preserving the LONG TERM physical, emotional, and mental well being of their children!

Anonymous said...

"Did anyone else happen to notice from "the wedding episode" during the part where Kate is commenting on how beautiful the girls' hair looks, that it doesn't even look as though Mady has had ANYTHING done? My husband and I were wondering...."
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Mady didn't want to get her hair done. She asked Kate if she had to get it done and Kate said no, she didn't have to.

Truth Hurts said...

It's time to pack it in, TLC!

A few things about the wedding episode:
"Love is patient, love is kind...." (Kate shoots her children the look of death at the ceremony as the little ones run around).
Too Funny.

I have to agree on the whole Hawaii family thing: I firmly believe that TLC forced Jon to invite his Hawaii relatives because of the comment his uncle made saying, "You know we live in Maui, right?"...Jon-"Yeah. I know."
Then why didn't you go visit them, Jon? On TLC's dime?? Or maybe invite them to the resort for a day....on TLC's dime??! SELFISH!
KON makes so many crazy demands, I don't think asking for family to stay overnight or something is TOO much to ask! Did they even TRY? I would!!
So clearly you don't care, Jon. Or Kate doesn't let you care!

And finally,
"Mady was excited to be my maid of honor--"
"NO I WASN'T MOMMY!!!!"

Open letter to Mady:
Dear Madelyn,
Please, PLEASE continue voicing your opinions and telling the TRUTH about things to the cameras and your parents..how is it that you're only eight years old and understand the concept of "REALITY TV" a heck of a lot better than TLC producers, the crew, and your parents combined? This is the only way your parents are going to take notice of their mistakes. You can fix all this by having a voice. Keep telling 'em, Mady!!
:)

Anonymous said...

Watched last night's episode and couldn't stop from laughing when during the wedding rehearsal that Maddy refused to be Kate's bride's maid. Also, Kate is such a BIG hypocrite. She referred to their lives as "seasons" during the rehearsal. I seem to remember Kate making such a big deal, berating Jon about calling their lives as "seasons". Can't stand Kate & Jon anymore.

Anonymous said...

Marie said...
This show jumped the shark over a year ago. Yet they are still on the air. Guarantee they will be on the air for at least another year. I believe they wrapped up season 4 and are starting season 5 in their new house. I feel its a wasted effort in trying to get this show off the air. no matter how much bad publicity they have thrown at them. They just counter it with good publicity. Like the latest NE article.... a few weeks later the NE was promoting people to watch the show. I just dont get it....
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Lets hope they are not on for another year. Are there any insides left to tell us if they are still filming????

no fan anymore said...

I just did a long search on Youtub for these eps because for some reason they have been deleted from TLC's regular rotation (I wonder why??)

The rarely-seen Cupcake-Gate ep:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_9niQ9SNmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4GoWuOSulc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feNpIgtZqHQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-W81hKSvQ0

And here's a click from the rarely-seen Gum-gate ep (aka Season-gate or Ludicrous-gate)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G0Xj_xzePU
(if anyone has a clip of Kate when she "scolded" Aunt Jodi from this ep, please post it because for the life of me I can't find it)

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have a link to Knob-gate?

Anonymous said...

I don't understand the point of having the wedding in Hawaii. They were standing on a lawn... not a beach or that charming little chapel. They stood on a lawn for their first wedding.

What an absolute farce.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was funny that Kate made such an issue that the girls' hair HAD to be out of their faces. Yes her own hair was hanging in her face as usual.

I also picked up on the fact that one of the relatives reminded Jon that they lived in Maui - in other words, as if they had not been invited to just come for a visit on a day other than the filmed ceremony.

Could Jon and Kate get a dictionary so the word 'awesome' is not used 10 times an hour?

Right after this show I watched a one-hour program about the Hayes family in Maryland. They have TWO sets of twins plus septuplets (one of them severely disabled with cerebral palsy). What a delightful family. They don't seem to feel 'entitled' to special privileges like the Gosselins.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand the point of having the wedding in Hawaii. They were standing on a lawn... not a beach or that charming little chapel. They stood on a lawn for their first wedding.

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It wasn't about the renewing of their vows, it was so Kate and Jon could get another free trip out of TLC.

Mari said...

Plenty of kids don't learn how a good relationship should work. My parents are divorced and many others can say the same. I think Jon and Kate are setting a good example by saying they're in it for the long haul. Plenty of couples go through rocky periods in their marriage but not all can get through it. Besides, I'm pretty sure Jon and Kate would have similar problems regardless of the cameras being there or not. We can't hold them to unrealistic expectations just because they're on camera. They're only human.

It's clear the tups had no clue how important the trip and the day was.
Do me a favor: Go read the biography of the Dionne Quintuplets and THEN think about it! Heck, if you're too lazy to do that, go rent the movie Million Dollar Babies. it's available on Netflix Watch It Now feature
You got a couple of minutes?
Here--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_quintuplets
Oliva and Elzire Dionne were "only human" until they got control of the quints and the money and moved into a fancy new house.
Educate youself!

I'm sorry, but it's just maddening to think that making your children "Publicity Props That Eat" is going to end well!

Jon and Kate, it's time to really be human. Let the kids live their lives. Don't make them pay for the things you didn't have!

Anonymous said...

these 2 media whores on Dr. Phil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_yAohOt1eI&feature=related

Lonnyswife said...

I noticed a couple of comments hitting on the uncomfortableness (I want you to know, I looked that word up before using it because it just sounded like a Kate invention!) all around during the meet & greet between Jon and his relatives.
The thing I found MOST interesting?
The family member inside the church who states he lives in Maui.
These people were so important to invite to this overblown ceremony, but yet Jon couldn't spend one afternoon off property visiting his long lost relatives prior to the big day?
And Kate going on and on about how great it was to be able to see Jon's side of the family?
I guess what she meant was how great it was to have chair fillers, because again, as much as she talked family up on the couch segment, spending 3-4 hours of one afternoon/evening with these people doesn't equate to being all that excited about seeing them.
I half expected Kon to turn towards the 'guests' after the traditionl end-of-ceremony-pat-on-the-back and jump the inflatible shark from the San Diego part of the trip!!!!
Now, that would have made the episode worth watching in my opinion!

Anonymous said...

LOL jon only knew a few of his relatives that were there and those he hadnt seen since he was a little boy. Kate had only met 2 of them before, and only once did she meet those 2. To me it is very telling that they were trying to get family there and could only come up with ones that didnt even really know them...It looked fake and forced.

Anonymous said...

How psychologically damaging is it for young children to hear their mom, repeatedly telling them that mommy and daddy are going to be together forever? Not once have I ever said that to my son. Love and committment is conveyed through action by being sincerely loving and respectful one another. Jon and Kate only show affection when their hands are out for a freebie. Very sad.

Anonymous said...

I'm willing to bet that if any of the friends or family wanted to be there, TLC would have paid airfare, etc for them. Just like they did on the previous trips with Jodi and Beth. Probably no takers.

Amy R said...

I admit, I watch J&K. I was a big fan of them until I saw what having money can do to people. I related to Kate (being tired, etc. with so many children). Now, Kate should be ASHAMED of herself. After watching Twins, Twins and Sextuplets, Kate really should examine herself and her life. The mom from the new show was amazing. She takes care of TWO sets of twins and sextuplets. AND one of the sextuplets has a disablity. All I can say is that she is a true roll model. Kate is laughable now than relatable. I hope they keep the new show on. As a mother with two children who have disablities, it would be a pleasure to watch a show with a mom who does everything with the help of her spouse, NOT other people. I hope this show makes Kate feel as dumb as she acts.

Anonymous said...

Cheer up Jon. Ninety years isn't that long.

Truth Hurts said...

And those poor Hawaii relatives were probably thrilled to see Jon again. :(
When I was in New York for the first time back since I was an infant for 6 hours (quick job interview), I made a point of visiting family that hadn't seen me since I was a baby.
I mean, traveling in NYC for the first time on a very tight schedule was no picnic and I literally spent 12 and a half minutes with them before I had to start making my way back to the airport. (I just didn't have the money to change my flight)
Jon and kate were in Hawaii for 5 days...what's their excuse?

No Longer a Viewer said...

Anonymous said...

I am Asian. Actually Asians are more touchy-feely than Americans. We are used to the large population and we have no issues with personal space.


Granted, my knowledge of haptics (touching) comes from experience very early in my teaching career. I taught high school in a large district outside of D.C. with many students from other cultures. In multicultural-sensitivity courses, we were taught that, while it might be okay to place a hand on a Caucasian student's shoulder while we were leaning over helping him or her (though even that might be verboten these days), we should not do the same with our Asian students. (These were kids who'd recently fled Vietnam or Cambodia--that's how long ago this was.) Part of the reason for maintaining space was that the Asian students had been taught to show respect to teachers by keeping some distance, and we needed to mirror that behavior.

Of course, there's a difference between an educational setting and a renewal of vows, and perhaps the rules for touching are not the same. I stand corrected, if so, and thanks for reminding me that I shouldn't generalize, and especially from old information.

Perhaps Jon's relatives were afraid to hug him for fear that they might then have to touch Kate, as well! I wouldn't that contact to be immortalized on camera, that's for sure!

Anonymous said...

Honestly, I have never felt more sad for them and the damage they have done to themselves. It was such a lonely, pathetic ceremony. There were more empty chairs than those occupied. The peole that attended only went because they had their tickets and rooms paid for by TLC. Heck, I would have gone! I usually watch this show with anger and shock but honestly, I really, really felt sad for what they have become.

My biggest worry if this show does go off the air is for the kids. If the parents are this miserable and disconnected with their kids with all the luxuries that have been offered to them, how do you think they'll be with no steady, enormous income coming in, no meals being prepared, no laundry-folders. I fear for the kids even more then. Those vows, no matter how many times they're said, will be right out the window when the stress of a real life with no vacations and a real job takes over. It's a lose-lose for the kids at this point.

Anonymous said...

This episode was disgusting. Those two idiots couldn't care less about one another. The kiss -the dance- OMG--- I was embarrased for them. And the so called "family" that showed up! When Kate ever said "They couldn't wait to meet us all in person!!" I almost threw up. Like they are these big movie stars!! How nice of you Kate-- to allow them to meet you. Did you give them an autograph? I can't take much more of these people. I really can't. Ya gotta love Maddy!! No flies on her!! Then Jon with all the leis! Kate had to beg the kids to give her one. It's called Karma sister!!!!

nj2az07 said...

I got about 10 min into the show-spa treatments for toddlers? Shameless. They will just take anything they can get their hands on. I'm disgusted that these people went through the whole fanfare of a second wedding..why? For no reason, other than it was FREE and they take anything and everythig that's free.
Kate & Jon are disgusting examples of greed.
This show is officially off my DVR. I cannot watch another 2nd of this crap.I'm done!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Kate thought Jon was going to shove the wedding cake in her face, her comment to the kids were: "if Daddy does that he's dead meat". Such a nice thing for a Christian woman, who just renewed her vows, to say to her husband.

Melibee said...

'Stick a fork in them they're done. This show can't last much long. I predict by this time next year we'll see Kate going on the b-grade talk shows touting how she's "changed and different." '

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I think once their gravy train jumps the track Kate will definitely be hitting whatever circuits will have her - to moan and cry and point fingers at TLC for exploiting her family and boohoo that she and Jon didn't know how to protect themselves or their kids from TLC's pressure and demands! She'll skirt all responsibility and blame the hand that fed her... fed her while she sat there with her mouth hanging open greedily whining for more!

I'm willing to place bets on this! :)

Anonymous said...

Jon seemed rather concerned that him and Kate were going to be together for the next 90 years. He was sad about it. This episode was bad. I would rather watch paint dry then watch Jon and Kate. Why does Kate have to constantly tell the kids that her and Daddy are going to be together forever and ever? Kate is insucure and just trying to convince herself. Once those kids are grown, Jon will take off with a woman who knows how to treat a man right.

dolphinfoxx said...

KON are so pitiful. This episode shows just how stupid and unrealistic they really are. the vows were a joke. I think Jon really wants out. He even said "I could run away" then he tried to cover that up by saying something on the lines of eloping. I really think he wants out and is trying to hint without Kate noticing. He just doesn't know how to do it.
I absolutlely LOVED the Hayes. They are so real and relatable(evwn though they have so many kids). Lets just hope they don't turn into J&K. I doubt they will though. They seem more sincere than KON ever has.

Anonymous said...

Mady is not a "hoot"..nor is she adorable or dear. If you guys really think that, then you are bigger and better people than I am, because that kid makes me want to spit fire out my eyeballs. I was shocked at her behavior during the fake wedding. She's eight, not two.

DirtyDisher

Anonymous said...

The show didn't change them, KON were always greedy/lazy people to begin with. I looked up on youtube and saw an episode on how they met. Jon stated himself that when they met he was "jobless", living with his mom, did not have any career goals, and just came back from traveling around Europe (spoiled to begin with). Kate announced that she just "graduated" from nursing school. So both KON were going nowhere in life.....not until the tubs came along....and came along to support both of them lazy adults with a show of their own. The show didn't change them, they were lazy, immature, greedy people to begin with. I feel really bad for the babies and the twins, never to have a mom and dad who had REAL careers and a real job to show them what responsibility and hardwork is all about.

MidnightSun said...

Mady is not a "hoot"..nor is she adorable or dear. If you guys really think that, then you are bigger and better people than I am, because that kid makes me want to spit fire out my eyeballs. I was shocked at her behavior during the fake wedding. She's eight, not two.

Anyone with some sense can see that Mady's behavior is a product of the lifestyle J&K has forced on their children.

I know an 8 year old shouldn't behave that way, but Mady is not your typical 8 year old. She is so obviously fed up with being in front of a camera all the time, and not getting the proper parental attention she (and the others) so desperately need.

These kids do not live a normal life, and their lack of self discipline is just one of the symptoms.

Anonymous said...

So it looks like Kate got herself a new diamond along with the all expense paid San Diego/Maui trip... I mean, vow renewal! She kept playing with it during the couch sessions, and there was definitely only one ring when she walked down the "aisle" and two when she walked out. I noticed a big sparkler when they were dancing, on her right hand, but I found it convenient that they left that part out of the ceremony. Anyone know anything more about this?

Anonymous said...

Kate's told Jon he was "dead meat" if he got cake on her face, and they had just renewed their vows! That statement from Kate says alot about her.

Anonymous said...

I like when they're in the chapel, and Kate gathers all the kids, telling them how special the day is. Then you see one of the older girls picking her nose! ha

Anonymous said...

How very telling it is that J & K's vow renewal , re marry, get married again, whatever...and NOT ONE individual that J & K has claimed seasons over 'love them' and are a part of 'their daily lives' was not present at their vow renewal ceremony!! NO Aunt Jodi & family , no Beth & family, no Nana Janet, no Carla, NOT one person representing Kate's extended family. To J & K the most important presence at their vow renewal ceremony was that of a few of Jon's relatives who are residents of the island that they have not seen in many years, and several stand ins on behalf of the resort and production crew. It was obvious that the vow renewal was ALL about J & K taking advantage of a free trip to Hawaii and TLC's attempt at boosting their ratings.
Such a sad sad life when you live according to the terms and conditions of a reality tv show. So much so, the presence of those who love us and are a part of our every day lives, friends and family have all been replaced by contracts and confidentiality agreements!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Kate's told Jon he was "dead meat" if he got cake on her face, and they had just renewed their vows! That statement from Kate says alot about her."

I've never seen people feed the cake to each other with a fork. Aren't you supposed to use your hands? They are so fake.

Weed said...

I posted earlier – but I’ve just got to say it again, this episode was cringe-worthy. My Gosh – do you actually think they (J&K) thought this episode was worth airing?? Come on, they do watch them before the actual air date. Are they that full of themselves that they thought this should be shown?? Jon’s relative stating in the church, “We live in Maui” – J&K couldn’t take 15 minutes to pack the kids up and visit the family before this joke of a vow-renewal. Lordy – and do the kids really understand what’s up? A Big Fat NO – what they need to see is a Mommy and Daddy showing affection, respect – not a fake vow renewal to prove they’ll be together forever. It’s just the more I’m reminded of this show the more sick to my stomach I get. Granted, I did state earlier that I liked Jon’s vows but I honestly wonder now who wrote them. I’m sorry to say that it’s a train wreck that I can’t look away from and for that I’m ashamed of myself.

lifeoriley said...

In spite of myself, curiousity got the best of me and I flipped over to J&K just to see what the episode was like. I wound up switching away--but I saw enough to see Mady's comment about not wanting to be maid of honor.
Granted, Mady's remark was not done it the most respectful manner--but as the comment above stated, she is NOT your typical 8 year old.
She was just stating HER truth--rather than Kate's truth. Kate has an irritating habit of speaking for other people: "Jon wanted..., The kids liked it...We were excited..." --instead of stating her feelings and perceptions. She passes of her wishes and feelings onto others.
It seems as if they consistently pooh-pooh or brush off Mady's feelings. I think Mady was saying with that comment--"Don't TELL me how I feel" or rather, "don't tell millions of viewers YOUR spin about what I want and how I feel."
Mady appears to be a very precocious and perceptive little girl.
IMO, I think Kate could have avoided the situation by saying "I wanted Mady to be my maid of honor" -- attributing the desire to herself. If Mady still declined, she could've said that it was still OK--that Mady could participate in the ceremony however she felt comfortable.

Anonymous said...

I noticed a couple of comments hitting on the uncomfortableness (I want you to know, I looked that word up before using it because it just sounded like a Kate invention!)
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Really? That is a word? I would figure discomfort, but uncomfomfortableness?

trinityella said...

Comment:

I think I only saw Jon hug a couple of relatives. You would think, not seeing some of them in over 20 years, he would be a little more excited.

Comment:

Jon is Asian-American, and, while he himself may be physically demonstrative, it could be that his relatives--especially the older ones--are not. That's just part of Asian or Asian-influenced culture.

Reply:

My husband is half Korean who was adopted by a Japanese woman. He was so excited the other day when he was talking to his mom on the phone because she told him that she loved him. I was totally shocked! I didnt understand why he was so happy that she said that she loved him. He said his mom has never ever said she loved him. He said it was her Japanese culture.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice that Cara was virtually MIA last night? I barely saw her at all. Are they in the process of phasing out the twins because they know too much? Fortunately, Mady won't allow herself to be phased out!

What an ugly day it was.

Anonymous said...

In response to the new diamond ring, if you watch the ceremony again you will see them exchanging the words that you do when you take the ring (I can't remember what it is called), but the cameras are looking at the children on the ground and you can barely hear KON.
Also, MADY, poor Mady!! I have a daughter who is much like Mady, but I got her some help. Yes, she does take medication, but has anxiety issues and did not do well with transitions and had no coping skills. The problem with KON is they are so wrapped up in themselves and the tups, that they are not getting Mady the help she obviously needs. very sad. I this early episode when she saide the "she is going to be a great teenager", she has NO idea...Kate you better put your seatbelt on know because it is going to be a very bumpy ride if you don't help Mady out.

Weed said...

I looked up the word uncomfortableness and it's not in my dictionary, granted it's the Webster's Ninth New Collegiate(1986) but...What dictionary are you using?

Kelly said...

The Boston Herald article could not have been more on target!! Bravo, Mr. Perigard. The show last night sickened me.

BTW - Did anyone catch the interview portion in their basement where Jon (alone on camera) was talking about his relatives and how nice it was to hear stories about his mother..and in the background you can hear Kate snickering??? Ridiculous, this woman knows no bounds!

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the churches that book Jon and Kate to speak have actually watched an episode of this farce? For a couple who professes to be "Christian" they certainly don't practice what they preach.
I did not watch the vow renewal, but have read enough to suspect that it made a mockery of marriage vows.
Hanging on my wall I have a plaque that was given to me on my wedding day...

"Beatitudes of a Christian Marriage"
BLESSED are the husband and wife who continue to be considerate and affectionate long after the wedding bells have ceased ringing.
BLESSED are those mates who never criticize or speak loudly to one another and who instead quietly discuss their disagreements and work towards solutions.
BLESSED are they who thank God for their food...

There is more, but you get my point. Is there's a "Christian" marriage?
As I don't watch the show anymore...have they ever been shown saying a prayer prior to a meal? I watched LPBW for the first time this weekend and noticed the father saying grace as they sat randomly throughout the kitchen/dining area. I found that very touching.
I just find it very distasteful and hypocritical for a man and woman to profess their Christianity and then act in the manner they do.

Anonymous said...

Jon is Asian-American, and, while he himself may be physically demonstrative, it could be that his relatives--especially the older ones--are not. That's just part of Asian or Asian-influenced culture.

Jon is third generation American. I was surprised to hear his Mother and Grandparents were born in Hawaii and he was raised in Pennsylvania. Seriously, what "Asian" influenced culture do you think he was exposed to? He doesn't even the know the correct term for "bulgogi".

Anonymous said...

No Longer a Viewer said...
Anonymous said...

I am Asian. Actually Asians are more touchy-feely than Americans. We are used to the large population and we have no issues with personal space.


Granted, my knowledge of haptics (touching) comes from experience very early in my teaching career. I taught high school in a large district outside of D.C. with many students from other cultures. In multicultural-sensitivity courses, we were taught that, while it might be okay to place a hand on a Caucasian student's shoulder while we were leaning over helping him or her (though even that might be verboten these days), we should not do the same with our Asian students. (These were kids who'd recently fled Vietnam or Cambodia--that's how long ago this was.) Part of the reason for maintaining space was that the Asian students had been taught to show respect to teachers by keeping some distance, and we needed to mirror that behavior.

Of course, there's a difference between an educational setting and a renewal of vows, and perhaps the rules for touching are not the same. I stand corrected, if so, and thanks for reminding me that I shouldn't generalize, and especially from old information.

Perhaps Jon's relatives were afraid to hug him for fear that they might then have to touch Kate, as well! I wouldn't that contact to be immortalized on camera, that's for sure!

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My boyfriend is first generation Asian-American and they are very touchy-feel. Whenever we go to any family event we have to hug every single family member there. There is also something he does to the older women of of respect whenever he sees them,im not sure what it is callled. His mom says I love you to him all the time, even to me. I dont think that it is a cultural thing to not hug, I think that it is a personal thing to how one was raised because I have friends of other races whos parent never even tell them that they love them.

Maybe Jon's relatives were afraid to hug him because they knew how crazy Kate was about germs and contact with non-"celebs"

Anonymous said...

I had to add another tidbit to this conversation.

I posted that I was a fan of the show. I could relate. Granted I did not have 8 children, but financally no matter how many children you have, they provide a financial challenge.

In the past 2 years alone, we have seen J&K and family go on many vacation and family (day trips). They are by no means cheap. The one besides San Diego and Hawaii, the trip to the Outer Banks in NC, was the one that struck me. I have happened to vacation in the Outer Banks a couple of times. My family and extended family split the cost of the house. We normally rent in the 4-wheel drive access only beach. Those house can fun from $1000.00 to $4000.00 depending on the time of the season. The house we had was $3000.00, but was splite between 11 people, so my family paid about $1120 (not bad for being only 100 yds from the beach. I decided this year when I got home to look up how much a house would be in the area that J&K stayed ( I imagine we drive by the house they stayed in, on our way to our house.). The houses that are right on the beach were anywheres from $7000.00 to $10,000.00+ a week. I know J&K were not on the beach, but they were pretty close. I would imagin that it cost at least $7000.00.

Myself I save yearly for our trip to the beach, but could not imagine spending that kind of money for one week and I imagine taht if they had to pay for it, they would not be spending it either, or at least not taking 3 $7000K+) trips in the past year.

I can no longer relate to them and I think that is what the initial show was about.

I do not hate the show, but I do not like how they portray that they are struggling, right now they are not and I am sure they have are smart with their money and never will have to worry about struggling again, but I do worry about the children and how this will impact their behavior in the future.

It is time to turn the cameras off and let those kids be kids and the parents be parents.

highondegrassi said...

When Jon was on the couch discussing his golf game with relatives the morning after the wedding, why did Kate have to be such a bitch, again? He said he got a par and a birdie, of course she had to ask what that meant, then she just said "you're just showing off." He was just discussing how he played, so why does she have to degrade him time and time again?

That woman is an immature spoiled brat.

Anonymous said...

Okay, uncomfortableness is a word I googled it and it is in the dictionary. But indeed discomfort sounds better.
I don't think Mady has issues that require medications, just love, attention, respect and nurture...Oh, and privacy.
But of course I'm no expert.

Okay, let's not generalize asians. Some may be more demonstrative than others, some may not. The fact is Jon was not familiar with those relatives, and I guess those relatives know all about KON as well, they were just gracious enough to attend the wedding because Jon is still their relative. They don't want Jon to be embarrassed if no one showed up!
Jon and Kate, you can learn a thing or two from your family. Family is still family, even if they can't provide matching cribs.

Christi said...

Maybe their family couldn't afford to pay for the trip. No fault of KON.

It may not be J&K's fault that their family couldn't afford a trip to Hawaii (if that's the reason they weren't there). However, it does indicate a certain amount of self-centered behavior on their part, if they chose that location while knowing that much of their family & friends wouldn't be there. Anyone who plans a "destination wedding" (or vow renewal) has to know and accept that some guests won't be able to make it. It just depends on what they want more - the location, or the family involvement.

Anonymous said...

When it comes to the matter of whether or not they exploit their offspring for financial gain, Kate said it all-

"...our kids have a great life and we have a great life because of them."

Anonymous said...

They didn't hug because they don't know each other that well. Distant, and I mean totally "distant" relatives. Nothing to do with race or culture, Asian or not, Jon just didn't know these people at all. I wouldn't hug someone that I didn't even know who is a second cousin. Enough said.

Anonymous said...

Last night's night of television wasn't totally awful ... at least "Chuck" was entertaining as usual.

Anonymous said...

My how Kate has changed. Telling Mady she did not have to have her hair done for the wedding but when they were in North Carolina (is that the correct trip,there have been so many they all blend in) and she INSISTED they some of the girls have their hair done in braids and some of them were crying because it hurt them.
It baffles me why then it didn't matter like it did not matter at the wedding. I also have to say I loved the new show...Twins, Twins and Sextuplets.

Odoacer said...

Can anyone pinpoint the exact moment that this show became more "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous", and less about the kids?

TLC, pull the plug!

AKinSTL said...

First time poster, long-time lurker here. I just have two observations to make.

First, someone at TLC has a real affinity for children and their bathroom behaviors. First with the Gosselins and all their potty training glory, but then a single episode of "Twins, Twins & Sextuplets", we have to see the kids in a PUBLIC bathroom, then HEAR about an explosive diarrhea incident and it's aftermath, then watch a 4 year old pee in a park and another beg to do the same, and then watch another 4 year old as he is pulling down his pants after racing home to have a "BM". I think someone at TLC has a sickness or perversion about little kids and bathrooms - there is no real need to hear about bathroom practices, much less actually see them, especially when it involves kids. Although I have to say that the Hayes children seem like they would be better able to handle the teasing they'll get at school than the Gosselins - they just seem like friendlier, less uptight kids.

Second - I've been trying to figure out why it is so important for J&K's kids to hear that they are going to be a family forever. My son is almost the exact same age as the sextuplets, and he has never even heard the word divorce, much less asked what it means or why some families don't stay together forever. I know that there are many families that do split up and those young children are familiar with divorce and what it entails, but in a family like the Gosselins where divorce hasn't happened, why would it even come up? Those kids are so sheltered I can't imagine they run into any other kinds of "non-traditional families" where they would notice something different. So, as my mind is wandering trying to figure out how the fear of divorce is such an issue for the Gosselin kids, I began to wonder if it is some way for J&K to explain the lack of their own family in the kids' lives? Like maybe the kids have been asking about all their beloved relatives that have disappeared, and were told that "some families don't always stay together", which backfired on J&K because the kids got genuinely worried and upset that their own family unit wouldn't stay together that J&K would also disappear, and this is the way J&K tries to reassure them that they (J&K) aren't leaving. That's the only thing that makes sense to me as to why a bunch of young kids would (allegedly) be so worried about their family falling apart. Because those kids really didn't seem to give a flying frog's fart about the "wedding ceremony" and what it meant to them and their future.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else happen to notice from "the wedding episode" during the part where Kate is commenting on how beautiful the girls' hair looks, that it doesn't even look as though Mady has had ANYTHING done? My husband and I were wondering....

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Mady said she didn't want to have her hair done, and thank goodness Kate let it go........

Anonymous said...

I think the reason Kate brings up "they will stay together forever" is because perhaps when she gets angry, she threatens Jon with divorce. I have seen this happen before in other marriages and would explain why she constantly has to reassure the children.

Anonymous said...

Kate thought Jon was going to shove the wedding cake in her face, her comment to the kids were: "if Daddy does that he's dead meat". Such a nice thing for a Christian woman, who just renewed her vows, to say to her husband.

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In the clip of their wedding (the real one) and they are cutting the cake, Kate gives Jon an icy look and mouths "don't you dare". What a biatch.

Anonymous said...

About the "staying together forever" stuff, I believe it is 100% for Kate. She knows she has borderline abused Jon and the kids and she needs reassurances... lots and lots of reassurances that no matter how controlling she is, how hard she is to deal with, what a pain she is in daily life, and no matter how harranguing and bossy and ethically immoral she is, her family won't leave her. She needs them to keep this gravy train rolling.

She wanted a big public display about how strong and in love she and Jon are as a couple. She wanted him to publically affirm his loyalty to her ...now if he wants to leave her she will say "but you PROMISED to stand by me for better or worse TWICE" It's on FILM.

I don't think the kids can even fathom divorce or parents not staying together and if they know anything about it it is because Kate is using the concept as yet another form of emotional blackmail. She is so good at that. Just like Mady needed to accept that there would be no fireworks in NC or else "the animals would burn in the forests" (!!) the kids are probably indoctrinated that in order for them to have a house and two parents staying together forever, they have to travel, film their every move and do exactly as Kate decrees day after day. And they can't have friends and relatives other than Kate and Jon. And helpers.. lots and lots of helpers. But don't get too attached to the helpers, they are only temporary.

I have noticed that Kate seems delusional. She superimposes her vision of what each family member thinks and feels, even if they are standing right in front of her contradicting her. In her mind... mady was excited about being her maid of honour and mady standing in front of her saying otherwise is not enough to make her think differently.

When it suits her needs, she will say "the kids miss you and ask about you all the time" I am SO sure (not!) the kids ask about random hotel workers, crew members, and the like and never ask about Jodi and Beth and those that have truly loved and cared for them unconditionally. But if it means another free trip to the Grand Weileia, suddenly its "the kids miss them and ask about them every day"

I am sure when the need arises for more free plastic surgery arises for herself and Jon, she will say " the kids always look at your pictures mr and mrs glassman, and wonder when they can meet you in person!"

It's meaningless spin control on her part using little people who thus far cannot express their true feelings in a way that will make the world listen yet.

Anonymous said...

Maybe their family couldn't afford to pay for the trip. No fault of KON.

It may not be J&K's fault that their family couldn't afford a trip to Hawaii (if that's the reason they weren't there). However, it does indicate a certain amount of self-centered behavior on their part, if they chose that location while knowing that much of their family & friends wouldn't be there. Anyone who plans a "destination wedding" (or vow renewal) has to know and accept that some guests won't be able to make it. It just depends on what they want more - the location, or the family involvement.

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Even if KON did invite family, I don't think anyone would go. They have burned too many bridges.

Anonymous said...

Figure 8: We have a proposition for you two.

Kate: What's that?

Figure 8: We want to pay you guys to travel all over the country...

Kate: We'll take it!!!

Jon: Wait, what's the catch?

Kate: What IS the catch, Jon..

Jon: Oh, right. Sorry. What IS the catch?

Figure 8: You have to take your kids with you, and...

Kate: DARN! Darn! Darn! Darn!

Jon: Do I get to golf for free?

Figure 8: Yes.

Kate: Do I get to say words like 'horribly horendous'?

Figure 8: Ok...

Jon and Kate: Can we both belittle Mady until she cries?

Figure 8: If the ratings pan out.

Jon and Kate: We'll take it!!!


(the unofficial transcript of their fist meeting)

Anonymous said...

"Thruth Hurts said...
I have to agree on the whole Hawaii family thing: I firmly believe that TLC forced Jon to invite his Hawaii relatives because of the comment his uncle made saying, "You know we live in Maui, right?"...Jon-"Yeah. I know."
Then why didn't you go visit them, Jon? On TLC's dime?? Or maybe invite them to the resort for a day....on TLC's dime??! SELFISH!"

Wouldn't it have been nice to see the KON artists with their new found family having a reunion at the uncle's house or a family picnic at a area park? Then they could get to know these long lost relatives that have never met them. Oh, wait that would be too mundane, no freebies doing that.

Anonymous said...

Sure, the Hayes family seems normal now, but what about four seasons from now? Everyone loved Jon & Kate at first too.

Also, unless you're a Nielsen family, turning the show off isn't going to make a difference.

Just sayin'.

Manda said...

They kept going on about how they wanted the kids to witness this renewal of vows to reassure them that they would be together forever. What 8 & 4 year old kids would ever even entertain that thought??? They give us the lamest reasons for justifying doing the things they do. They wanted a free trip to Hawaii and needed a reason for it - plain and simple.

I think Kate's trying to convince herself more than ANYONE that they will be together forever.

Ms. Boomer said...

I have watched the show since the beginning. From early on I have thought Maddy has had problems. It probably started when the TUPS were born or even earlier. KON are not the most ideal parents. Now Cara also seems miserable. I think both girls need some sort of counseling. The best thing KON could do for their kids is pull the plug on this TV thing. BTW, I think the Hawaii re-marriage thing was a farce. I do not find KON a happy couple. I'm not convinced they will remain together forever or in the next 5 to 10 years. It's a sad situation.

Anonymous said...

One would think that after 9 years of marriage that J+K would GET OVER the fact that the first wedding wasn't in Hawaii.
I didn't record last night's episode, but did anyone else hear the little asides and jabs about the first ceremony which was SUPPOSED to be celebrated in The Aloha State. There were too many comments in the vein of "This is our REAL Wedding" "The Wedding That Should Have Been". " My Vows NOW Mean Something".
I also got the impression that J+K blamed the inability of their friends & families to foot the travel bill for a destination wedding as the reason they settled on the wedding in PA, which from the footage shown on this show looked perfectly lovely.

Maybe I heard wrong but J+K came across as disappointed in the first wedding. Perhaps someone with TIVO or Tifaux can verify those little nitpicky comments I heard.

PS-Of course J+K were happy to have guest at the wedding. They were just imagining all the wedding gifts. Because who are they to say no?.....

Anonymous said...

If they had just gotten together at least once SOMEWHERE/ANYWHERE (Off Camera)..the ice would have been broken and the "guests" arriving @ the "reception" would not have been so strained and awkward!
That was just uncomfortable to watch.

Anonymous said...

Every couple wants to think that they will be together forever, but life happens and some end up divorced. But to try and tell little kids that is a waste of time, and kids can't grasp the understanding of that. So if Kate and Jon do end up divorced, what is Kate going to say then to them? Um, Um, Um....

Anonymous said...

Seriously!

I can think of so many occasions where they could have invited the extended family had they really wanted to bond with and get to know them. Lei making anyone? Instead of meaningless chitchat with the hotel's paid employees, they could have been chatting with relatives while enjoying a relaxing task.

Instead, they invite them for the ceremony and meet them a few minutes before... then Kate makes that AWKWARD toast to the "family members many of whom we are meeting for the first time tonight" Why would she basically admit they were seat fillers?? It was almost as if Kate was laying groundwork to say, in the event the relatives tried in the future to pursue a real familial relationship, "we just met you! we barely know you!"

I find it astonishing that they did not spend more time with the family and treated them to the barest minumum of paid activities. They wanted them for the wedding...thats it. Then golf the next day was convenient for Jon because he would have a few people to play with (which doesnt cost extra) and footage of him interfacing with "his family" which is ostensibly why they were so interested in getting married in Hawaii in the first place.

How about treating 91 year old aunt Edith to a spa treatment as a thanks for travelling to see them? Why not let the relatives spend real, meaningful time with the kids, actually getting to know them? How convenient that right after the golf game "it was time for the family to go" Yeah right! those people looked like they were casual, relaxed and full of the aloha spirit and would have gladly wanted to spend more time. Of course it would never happen, ala Kate.

Laughable!

No Longer a Viewer said...

They didn't hug because they don't know each other that well. Distant, and I mean totally "distant" relatives. Nothing to do with race or culture, Asian or not, Jon just didn't know these people at all. I wouldn't hug someone that I didn't even know who is a second cousin. Enough said.

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"Enough said"? I've never understood that phrase, at least in online discourse. Does that mean the poster in question has the last word, and that the discussion is at an effective end? I'm not being disingenuous; I'd really like to know.

I want to clarify that I didn't intend to lump Asians all in one non-hugging group. We're all individuals, regardless of our race, and our separate personalities--as well as the parents who raised us--have a lot to do with our actions and reactions in social settings.

I will say that Jon is Asian-American, at least ethnically speaking, if not culturally. I think he may be culturally Asian, too, or at least in part. I've lived in Hawaii, and Asian ways have considerable sway there.

That said, I really do prefer that we all call ourselves Americans and not use hyphenated terms like "Asian American." What really matters is what and who we are at this very moment. Pride in provenance is one thing, but pride in citizenship is another.

Anonymous said...

"I think I only saw Jon hug a couple of relatives. You would think, not seeing some of them in over 20 years, he would be a little more excited."
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I confess - I broke down and watched after two months of non-watching. Here's my immediate take on the "relatives" of Jon: They are EXTRAS hired by TLC. These people were there just to occupy space, sit at the tables and play the roles of "relatives." There was no interaction with them on the part of KON. They did not eat, dance or anything. There was one man, "Clayton" who was shown briefly, but he was most likely an extra too, IMO. And as to family in PA being invited - KON threw them in the garbage can eons ago. Family is dead for all intents and purposes. Kate is a stupid, moronic bitch and I am delighted by the articles from the Reading Eagle and the Boston Herald. Mainstream media is taking note and that's just what we have been waiting for. People will get it soon - even the sheeple. I can see a legitimate mainstream media investigative reporter doing a story on KON - wouldn't that be great? If they have committed fraud that is truly against the law (in addition to being simply immoral)then it may be discovered and KON can sit their butts in the slammer. And Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin would take the kids and give them the life they deserve.

Lonnyswife said...

Anonymous said...
I noticed a couple of comments hitting on the uncomfortableness (I want you to know, I looked that word up before using it because it just sounded like a Kate invention!)
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Really? That is a word? I would figure discomfort, but uncomfomfortableness?

11/18/2008 10:57 AM

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Before I actually used it I typed it into Google (Google is your friend) and got over 10 definition entries,FYI

Anonymous said...

How did you like that dancing Kate did with her husband?
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Sarah said...

I HATED this episode! I hated how ungrateful they acted about their first wedding, about people being "Unwilling" to go to Hawaii for their wedding and basically how they were forced to have their wedding back home. What a horrible since on entitlement these people have. Ugh!

Do you ever feel like you're watching "The Truman Show" when you watch Jon and Kate? These poor kids have situations created for them that they wouldn't normally have. It makes me sad to think about! Who knows what that is going to mean when they're older.

The freebees wouldn't bother me as much if they even seemed to have an ounce of gratefulness.

Did anyone else have a LOL moment when Mady declared that she didn't want to be Kate's Maid Of Honor? Can you say 2nd time Bridezilla?

Oh and her dress was not flattering. I try to stay away from physical jabs, but she looked 6 months pregnant.

They need to stop airing the kids half dressed... that is wrong!

Leah4Prez said...

Long-time lurker, first-time poster. I promised myself I wouldn't watch this episode but I stopped by for a second, saw those adorable kids and that was it. I watched the whole thing. It made me sick. The vows were horrendously horrendous, not to mention awesomely vomitous. How does this couple sleep at night? That's rhetorical...

Anonymous said...

Kate's comment about Jon's family was "they were fun". What does Kate consider fun? I think Reno 911 put this episode together. It was bad, really bad.

Anonymous said...

My question is, why are four year old girls getting manicures and pedicures? At a top class spa, no less? I didn't get my first manicure until I was 13, and it was at a little corner shop, not a huge spa with bubble feet baths like they got. Like they'll ever remember it anyways.
Oh, and I loved how when Jon's relatives arrived they were all "Oh, thank you for the leis!" and Kate and Jon just took them with no response...

SkippyMom said...

Melibee said...
'Stick a fork in them they're done. This show can't last much long. I predict by this time next year we'll see Kate going on the b-grade talk shows touting how she's "changed and different." '

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I think once their gravy train jumps the track Kate will definitely be hitting whatever circuits will have her - to moan and cry and point fingers at TLC for exploiting her family and boohoo that she and Jon didn't know how to protect themselves or their kids from TLC's pressure and demands! She'll skirt all responsibility and blame the hand that fed her... fed her while she sat there with her mouth hanging open greedily whining for more!

This never crossed my mind, but now that you said it [beautifully] I wouldn't take that bet for all the money in the world.

THIS is EXACTLY what Katie Irene is going to do.

Give it a few years and wait until she sues for counseling...or even something akin to "palimony" - as in TLC afforded her this lifestyle and how dare they take it away, they promissssssssssed.

Thanks for the heads up - I can't wait to see this happen. Because it will.

Anonymous said...

So I DO try to stay away from physical, the point of my madness coming from the exploitation of the children, the sence of entitlement of KON, basically commiting fraud under peoples noses, and taking advanatage of the less fortunate, as well as not giving back. I even try to stay away from the "horrendesly horrible" hair of kates. HOWEVER.. today I ran across a re-run of kate and jon when the baby's were in diapers, but kat had already gotten her hair highlighted. And it seems to me like kate has had some face work done?? Anyone else notice how she looks, well, different in the face??

Anonymous said...

Okay after last nights new show, Twins, Twins and Sextuplets I wrote an email to TLC requesting that they stop showing children using the restroom. Email below:

'Last night I watched and thoroughly enjoyed your new show Twins, Twins & Sextuplets. However, one thing GREATLY concerns me. I feel that you should make it your policy not to show children (of any age) using the restroom. It's degrading to the child and uncomfortable for the viewer. Nothing would have been lost in that episode if the bathroom scene and discussion around the incident would have been omitted entirely. This is not the only show on TLC where children have been shown using the restroom. Hopefully, last night was the final time I have to see it.'

Hopefully, the email will help in some way. I'll post their response if I get one.

Except for the bathroom scene, I really enjoyed TT&S. The Hayes family was a breath of fresh air after the past year of watching KON and all of their ungrateful, foolish behavior.

Anonymous said...

With all of Kate's germophobia, I am surprised she gets pedicures much less allows the girls to have them. You know, other people put their feet in those basins. No matter how expensive the pedicure, there is always chance for infection. I also wonder what else these kids are going to have to look forward to in life, they seem to have done it all at the tender ages of 4 and 8.

shelbysmom said...

Do these parents never talk to each other about their day? How could Kate not know who Jon went golfing with? I pesonnally loved the show Twins, Twins and Septuplets. I will now be watching them instead.

Anonymous said...

I think this whole 'remarrying' thing is so sad, in that the kids didn't understand what was going on. I mean how many times did they have to explain to the kids and TV what it was they were trying to accomplish? Then the kids, no fault of their own, cut up during the ceremony. That's a lot to ask of little kids to participate in something halfway across the world...it just went on and on and on.

I can't blame the hotel for using the opportunity for free advertising. But all that money, so much time off, is just beyond me. I didn't watch the whole thing. I thought it was rather silly, and actually boring.

Boston Herald post got it right one.

Those kids should be back at home and going to slumber parties with friends, not getting pedi's and mani's for show.

whipsnchains said...

Those who have been speculating on Katie Irene's future money schemes forgot to add that she'll be born again and talk about how god helped her through this bad period-- she'll cover all the bases, 'cause society owes her!

Anonymous said...

I really liked Kate's original wedding dress, not that one would expect her to wear it again or be able to wear it.

I thought the dress was too young for her, too old for the barefoot and pregnant look.

Anonymous said...

With all of Kate's germophobia, I am surprised she gets pedicures much less allows the girls to have them. You know, other people put their feet in those basins. No matter how expensive the pedicure, there is always chance for infection. I also wonder what else these kids are going to have to look forward to in life, they seem to have done it all at the tender ages of 4 and 8.

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A germophobe does not keep porta potties full of urine scattered around the house and in her car. A germophobe does NOT stand barefoot at a gas station.

Kate is not a germophobe, she is a controlling witch.

Anonymous said...

It really is a sad episode when you look at it. As someone pointed out, the only guests they could get were paid help and Jon's cousins, uncles and great aunt (I believe). They really have alienated themselves from everybody they come in contact with. Their own kids didn't even want to be a part of it.

Anonymous said...

anonymous-

Maybe their family couldn't afford to pay for the trip. No fault of KON.

-If TLC could afford to spend that kind of money on an episode (between the actual vacation and promo's) they could certainly afford to fly out a few of Kate's family members. Besides the fact, did you ever check out Beth and Bob's house? I'm positive they could afford it as well = )

MargaritaHour said...

I did think Kate's dress was gorgeous and flattered her and the girls were adorable and for all the searching Jon had to do for shirts for the boys *insert eyeroll emoticon* they were perfect. I just thought it was sad that none of her family was there and that Jon seemed so uncomfortable around his family.

poeticsongbird said...

"Mady is not a "hoot"..nor is she adorable or dear. If you guys really think that, then you are bigger and better people than I am, because that kid makes me want to spit fire out my eyeballs. I was shocked at her behavior during the fake wedding. She's eight, not two."

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You DO realize that Mady acts the way Mady acts because of the example that Kate sets for her on a daily basis. I used to hate Mady too until I began to realize the real reasons why she acts out so much. She is starving for attention and clearly the least favorite child. Check out their website www.sixgosselins.com Umm... WHAT HAPPENED TO MADY AND CARA.. And when you go on there and read the profiles of the kids, Mady and Cara have one line that says "hello " while the tups have an entire paragraph.

Mady is STARVING for one on one attention and affection that she is not getting. what you are seeing are not outbursts of a bratty problem-child, but rather the truth finally being spoken about the family.

For instance, Mady not wanting to be Kate's "maid of honor." Would YOU want to stand up for that shrew?

She is clearly sick and tired of constantly being filmed and resents her parents for favoring the sextuplets, which Jon and kate obviously do. After all, they are the real reason why they have struck it rich and become "famous"

Mady misbehaved during the ceremony because they were way too young to understand what the hell was going on - although Kate seems to the think the experience was essential at this point in time to affirm to the children her parents will be together forever.

If you ask me, Mady is the only in that family with any sense in her head. Shes refusing to be one of Kate's mindless drones like all the hired help. All the friends and family are clearly on mady's bandwagon.

Anonymous said...

In regards to the hugging and the affection to the extended family, I can understand the whole not hugging thing too. I am not a touchy feeling person, even with my close family that I see every day.

BUT, if I invite people to a lavish affair like this, people who traveled a long distance I would be sure to give them a big huge AND tell them how much I love them and appreciate them and I would sincerely mean it. I didn't seen one ounce of appreciate from Kate, let alone love.

What also bothered me about this show is that Kon had a better second wedding that most will ever have for a first and were they happy? I do not think so.

Anonymous said...

J&K are shameless

rosey in washington said...

NOw that I think about it...it's REALLY weird how Jon and Kate took their children to Maui for FREE SOLELY to renew their wedding vows (because they had DREAMED about having their first wedding in Hawaii...blah,blah,blah). So pretty much they painted this pretty little picture and the center of it was HAWAII, because thats where they REALLY wanted to get married right?? Well then WHY was Jon talking about him and Kate just eloping and getting out of all of this?? Wasn't HAWAII the point??

I just don't get them. I mean, you beg to get a FREE trip to Hawaii to renew your vows, and then you say how much you just want to elope?? First of all, I don't think you can ELOPE when you are already married!!

They are SO greedy, and they really don't appreciate ANYTHING...someone could give them their own ISLAND and they would get to the island and complain about it somehow...that's just how they are now!

Ilovemykids said...

You know if someone posted pictures or videos on the web, say on Youtube, of small children running around in their underwear, they would be investigated and possibly charged with child pornography. Why does TLC get away with showing the Gosselin children in their underwear and also using the potty? Makes no sense.

Anonymous said...

Truth Hurts said...
......I firmly believe that TLC forced Jon to invite his Hawaii relatives because of the comment his uncle made saying, "You know we live in Maui, right?"...Jon-"Yeah. I know."
Then why didn't you go visit them, Jon? On TLC's dime?? .......... KON makes so many crazy demands, I don't think asking for family to stay overnight or something is TOO much to ask! Did they even TRY? I would!!So clearly you don't care, Jon. Or Kate doesn't let you care!
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I've been wondering about HOW Jon's family was invited. I've been pondering the theory that it was TLC that did the actual inviting of Jon's family. Why else would the uncle question Jon about if he knew where he lived other than if it was assumed by everyone Jon 'didn't' know? If the invites were mailed by someone other than J&K that would explain the uncle's statement. ?????

As for the family staying overnight, comped rooms, etc. I'm sure most of them did stay. Most would have had to fly home to their islands and the pitiful reception didn't end until after dark making most flights impossible.

The pitiful reception.....I wonder if the extended family had any idea how staged and boring it would be and if they knew they'd relegated to the outdoor patio area while all of the activities took place inside (cake cutting, speeches, dance, etc). I counted seated guests - numerous times. The largest # I could come up with was 14. So....Kate's est. of 32 obviously included production crew. Pitiful.

Sad, but true, their 'meaningful' wedding vow exchange had to take place in front of strangers and their children who had no idea of the significance of the day. J&K pushing family and friends out of their lives has resulted in exactly what they wanted, I guess.

Then I look at the Hayes family whose lives are so full and rich with the love of family and friends and accomplished without the need for matching outfits, a perfect house, extravagant vacations and an absense of greed and gluttony. The sharp contrast between the families spoke volumes Mon nite. IMO, I'll watch the Hayes family anyday. They have something to offer; not so for the Gosselins. Thank goodness a few journalists are paying attention and speaking about it. I hope for many more.

Mady Has Issues said...

Mady acts like Mady because she can.

That's the reason all children act inappropriately.

Someone needs to get that child into counseling and explain to her that it's okay to be angry, jealous (insert whatever emotion here), and then show her how to express that emotion appropriately using words.

Hitting and kicking your siblings, and throwing things is not appropriate. Ever. Stop blaming her actions on low blood sugar, ugliness, a bad day, etc. etc. etc.

wendimail said...

in response to Vipersue. I don't think they didn't come because they didn't care. Kate has made it clear they are not welcome.

NCtwinmommy said...

I too used to not be a big Mady fan, but I totally agree that a lot of her behavior is a result of deep-rooted unhappiness stemming from a life in front of the cameras. How could KON not see it?? STOP the madness and START loving your child!! If you won't, then she'll find it somewhere else as she gets older...

I say we make some TEAM MADY t-shirts! Someone needs to show her some love and support.

Melibee said...

In the clip of their wedding (the real one) and they are cutting the cake, Kate gives Jon an icy look and mouths "don't you dare". What a biatch.

11/18/2008 2:42 PM

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Yep. And then Jon feeds Kate his piece of cake very politely and carefully while she smeered frosting all over his nose.

Nice.

Anonymous said...

It struck a nerve here too.

Kate stated that she wanted their first wedding in Hawaii but their families "WEREN'T WILLING" to go to Hawaii - really? are you kidding me?!!

No chance that Jenny... nanny ... Mady babsitter... was getting a free manicure

The kids were behaved horribly. Perhaps KON should get their faces out of the camera lens and discipline their kids.

moi said...

NCtwinmommy said...
I say we make some TEAM MADY t-shirts! Someone needs to show her some love and support.


Seriously! I am surprised at the number of mature "adults" who brush off Mady's behavior as "bratty." She's a kid, her mother is controlling every aspect of her life, it's broadcast to the world, but she's supposed to just obey, lie down, and take it? Yeah, that's the way to teach our girls.

Mady and Cara are both dears, in my book, and I hope one day they can break free of the $$$$-machine that is their mother. You're beautiful and smart, girls, you can make it.

WhitneySmith said...

Concerning the wedding event commercial, I love how TLC had the gall to call Jon and Kate America's favorite family. Just whizzed past all the other reality families, the first family, and every other famous family that have been endearing to our American hearts.

Anonymous said...

A germophobe does not keep porta potties full of urine scattered around the house and in her car. A germophobe does NOT stand barefoot at a gas station.

Kate is not a germophobe, she is a controlling witch.

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It is all an act. She just tries to draw attention to herself, as usual.

cdnmom said...

Re: Only Nielson families tuning out will stop the show.

Actually TLC (and all networks) rely on advertising. If you really want the show to go away, write to the advertiser expressing your concerns. If they get enough complaints they will withdraw their advertising dollars and TLC will withdraw the show.

Anonymous said...

What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that Jon and Kate are fed up with Mady. I honestly think that they don't really like her anymore. She is an embarrassment to them and they can't handle her so they do things like exclude her from activities and leave her with Jenny.
I recall in one episode where Mady had woken late from a nap and was raging at Kate because she wanted Kate to wake her up sooner. "Nobody wakes up that child," said Kate.I think it was this episode where Kate turned toward the refrigerator and said something under her breath about Mady going to reform school. Other times Kate has said something like,"Wait until she becomes a teenager." When they stayed in that condo near the hospital Mady was acting out again, and Kate said something about having to go through this "everyday" with her. I almost felt sorry for Kate( I know that is hard to believe.)
The point is that they are very tired of Mady's behavior. I wouldn't be surprised if they sent her away to a private school(for her own good, ha ha) Poor, poor Mady. She didn't ask for this you know.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering why J&K+8 didn't need to make a stop on the way home for the kids to adjust?

Maybe that will be a future epi?

Paula S said...

" Maybe their family couldn't afford to pay for the trip. No fault of KON. "

Since the trip was free for Jon and Kate and their family, and since I would guess they are making a substantial amount of money from the show, speaking engagements, the book, etc., etc., you would think they could have afforded to pay for at least some of their Pennsylvania relatives trip to Hawaii. You know, perhaps Kate's parents and Jon's mother and stepfather.

So much for their generosity and their relationships with their family.

Oh, also, I feel certain from the looks of Beth's house, Beth could have afforded a trip to Hawaii to see her best friend, Kate renew her wedding vows. And what about Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin? I realize they have children, but you would think that at least Aunt Jodi would have gladly paid her own way to Hawaii to see her wonderful sister-in-law renew her wedding vows.

TLC also may have even chipped in a few dollars to help some key Pennsylvania relatives go to Hawaii. Not saying TLC would have paid for the entire trip, but maybe they would have contributed something.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, posted this on the wrong thread. This is where I wanted it posted.


Multiple Feelings,

Ok, stay out two more hours on the boat,
Or have Maine lobster in Hawaii.
TLC and the sponsors need to reel this show back to "reality".

But what really struck me was the Wedding Redux.
Not only were there few people there, but what I saw was a bitter-sweet attempt to return and reclaim the normal life they once had. It seemed as though they were trying to reconnect to the good times gone by, long before all the show and notoriety hoopla.
“Staying together forever and ever”, interesting repeated comments.

I don’t think the “reality” show consequences on the entire family were completely thought out before this out-of-control monster got into their lives.
What makes everyone here think that they don’t see the changes.
What they do about it all is something completely different.

Once Frankenstein breaks out of his chains, what do you do?
Are we the angry townspeople with the torches and pitchforks?
I don’t know.

I have yet to go to Hawaii but I don't harbor any resentment.

Anonymous said...

If Kate wanted a beautiful and intimate renewal ceremony, why not have it in her own back yard? Wait, she doesn't have any friends or family that would come. I guess they had to fly thousands of miles to a family that they haven't kicked out of their lives yet.

The gravey train should be ending. With all the economic problems our country if facing and all the stores closing or going out of business, they should cut the ties of freebies to these people. I think that everyone should write to the companies, including Gymboree to stop giving them freebies. Why can't the same stores give away six or eight pairs of free outfits to people truely in need?

I am annoyed with the show, but I can't wait to see the coming episode with their new house. I am sure all these companies that give the freebies away will be like...wait...what? I think thats when the gravey train will come to an end. Hehehe.

Anonymous said...

Concerning the wedding event commercial, I love how TLC had the gall to call Jon and Kate America's favorite family.

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Actually TLC just took that from The Good Housekeeping article.

Anonymous said...

One would think that after 9 years of marriage that J+K would GET OVER the fact that the first wedding wasn't in Hawaii.
I didn't record last night's episode, but did anyone else hear the little asides and jabs about the first ceremony which was SUPPOSED to be celebrated in The Aloha State. There were too many comments in the vein of "This is our REAL Wedding" "The Wedding That Should Have Been". " My Vows NOW Mean Something".

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When I heard Kate make these comments I almost fell out of my chair. What a total slap in the face to anyone and everyone involved in their first wedding. Their first wedding looked absolutely GORGEOUS. And in earlier episodes KON talked about how wonderful their first wedding was. What? Since they have this new found "celebrity status" (gag me) all of a sudden all of the people and events that took place before are suddenly not good enough anymore? These 2 are a real piece of work.

Ilovemykids said...

What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that Jon and Kate are fed up with Mady. I honestly think that they don't really like her anymore. She is an embarrassment to them and they can't handle her so they do things like exclude her from activities and leave her with Jenny

All Mady needs is a little love, attention and understanding from her parents. Of course, just look at her parents. As the old saying goes "the acorn does not fall from the tree".

Mady needs some emotional stability in her life - something that Beth gave her and definately something grandparents could give her.

It's too bad Mady's parents have the maturity level of the tups.

Anonymous said...

I think the reason why Kate was trying to relax her control reflex a little bit this episode is because she really didn't take the vow renewal that seriously. Her and Jon would have been fine to go to Hawaii, vow renewal or not. If the renewal was actually something that Kate cared about and not just an idea for another episode (or rather, a month long of tedious episodes)she would have been her usual controlling self.

Anonymous said...

My husband and I were guests at Kate and Jon's wedding that took place last summer. I know it was on the television recently and I just wanted to clear up a few things. Prior to this event we never met Kate or Jon or any of their children but being that they are family we felt a special kinship towards them. A couple of months before the event we received a mailed invitation which also included a separate print out of appropriate gifts to give. I personally did not feel that was a very loving thing to do but I understand that this is something brides sometimes to do ensure that they not receive duplicates. Please keep in mind that we like many native islanders are living on a fixed income and do not have the kind of funds necessary for such extravagances. There were many scenes from the wedding that were not televised on the special. Many of the women went up to Kate and we did try to embrace her and congratulate her. Instead of smiling and accepting our words she shunned us. We also tried to show Jon a native dance however we were told by a member of the staff that put their special together that it was not a good idea. We had hoped to keep in touch with Jon as well as his wife and children however we have not heard anything from them since they left the island. We do appreciate that they thought of us and invited us to the ceremony and we also thank the hotel staff who was kind to everyone. One of the banquet ladies actually came to my table and spoke to us many times just to make small talk which was sweet.

GrandmaG said...

You might be right about Kate not caring about the ceremony. I've been puzzled that she seemed so bored, aggravated, etc. during the meeting/caking sampling.

Peas and carrotts said...

Bravo - Finally someone is listening and showing the other side of the reality and the far reaching implications it will have.

Anonymous said...

Since the trip was free for Jon and Kate and their family, and since I would guess they are making a substantial amount of money from the show, speaking engagements, the book, etc., etc., you would think they could have afforded to pay for at least some of their Pennsylvania relatives trip to Hawaii. You know, perhaps Kate's parents and Jon's mother and stepfather.

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At the VERY least, you would think they would have invited Jon's mother. I know when I go to a family reunion and I'm confronted with second cousins, great aunts and uncles and all kinds of relatives I don't know very well, it helps to have my mother or father (depending on whose side of the family it is) there as a buffer for introductions. There would have been a lot less awkward moments with Jon's family, for sure. It's just so sad that they've cut out their family so badly that NO ONE would go to Hawaii to watch them renew their vows or allow their faces to be seen in their old wedding video.

Anonymous said...

Actually TLC just took that from The Good Housekeeping article.

"You have to realize you're setting the rules for life," says Kate. "With six, we have no room for error."

With 6? What about the twins? Also her comment about adopting a "tag along" was pretty disturbing. Lordy Be! that they are over the "kid limit" to adopt from Korea.

Anonymous said...

I dont understand J & K's reasoning of wanting to renew their wedding vows after 9 years as a promise to the children that they love each other and will be together forever; and also feel that the presence of family they have not seen in many many years (Kate never met) be of significance in what SHOULD have been an intimate ceremony, sans the camera and production crew, stand in pseudo 'friends', and oh the way, family members. IMO, the J & K wedding event was so much more about an obvious hour long commerical promoting the ammenities of the Grand Wailea resort in Hawaii that any and all relevance to the actual purpose of the renewal ceremony was null and void. Perhaps the Gosselin children would have been more attentive and embracing to the 'meaning' behind their parents vow renewal ceremony if they actually felt secure in knowing that the focus of ceremony was actually ABOUT them and not one big hour long commerical for the Grand Wailea Hotel!

Anonymous said...

To ANON 11/19/2008 9:49 AM

Thank you for coming forward. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that Jon or Kate would treat family like this. They are far too superior (in their own minds) to stoop so low as to welcome their own family to a vow renewal. The whole renewal ceremony was a scam, farce and to ACTUALLY send a list of gifts that were acceptable to Kate is beyond me. They have everything they could ever ask for, why ask for MORE gifts from Jon's family who he hasn't seen in years. PLEASE. Go away Jon and Kate and please take your children with you so that they can be somewhat normal, at least for the rest of their childhood.

Good grief.

Anonymous said...

Concerning the post by some members of Jon's family who attended that travesty of a wedding. They said they were sent a list of "appropriate" gifts to give. Then they were "shunned" by Kate at the wedding. They should have given Kate an etiquette book.

Jon and Kate are just disgraceful, ungrateful boors.

To those dear Hawaiian relatives, I extend to you all my deepest apologies for these dolts.

Wendy Bird said...

anonymous said:
"My husband and I were guests at Kate and Jon's wedding that took place last summer..."

Thank you so much for posting. I cannot believe that they sent a list of "appropriate gifts".

I am still trying to wrap my head around that. How ridiculously, ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

To all those dear posters who say that Mady just needs love, attention, and emotional support...well, of course she needs these things!
But it is not going to happen. NOT. J&K don't like her and we have seen what they do to people they don't like.
My heart weeps for Mady too but her future does not look promising. And there is little anyone can do about it.

dotsicle said...

"Anonymous said...

Mady is not a "hoot"..nor is she adorable or dear. If you guys really think that, then you are bigger and better people than I am, because that kid makes me want to spit fire out my eyeballs. I was shocked at her behavior during the fake wedding. She's eight, not two.

DirtyDisher

11/18/2008 10:11 AM"

Thank you, thank you. The twins are old enough to know how to behave. Mady gets away with her behavior/mouth because she is allowed to by her parents.
I certainly don't want to own anything that says "Team Mady". I'm not on anyone's "team" nor watching any future episodes. I am done.

Anonymous said...

Thank you to anon relative of Jon's who posted about her experience at that farce of a wedding. I am sorry that they even decided to force this occasion on you and I'm sure you are as mystified as the rest of us at the nerve and greediness of the Gosselins. That Kate is a cold person is obvious to us from her show, but I am sorry that she couldn't pull herself together enough to welcome Jon's relatives with some warmth. She reserves that for people who are giving her something she wants (i.e. a free tummy tuck). You relative, Jon, has ensnared himself with a very bad and heartless woman, IMO, and unfortunately for him I think he has to either perish or become like her. She is the type of person who is like a black widow. I believe she would eat him alive if necessary.

Melibee said...

Anonymous said...
My husband and I were guests at Kate and Jon's wedding that took place last summer. I know it was on the television recently and I just wanted to clear up a few things. Prior to this event we never met Kate or Jon or any of their children but being that they are family we felt a special kinship towards them. A couple of months before the event we received a mailed invitation which also included a separate print out of appropriate gifts to give. I personally did not feel that was a very loving thing to do but I understand that this is something brides sometimes to do ensure that they not receive duplicates. Please keep in mind that we like many native islanders are living on a fixed income and do not have the kind of funds necessary for such extravagances. There were many scenes from the wedding that were not televised on the special. Many of the women went up to Kate and we did try to embrace her and congratulate her. Instead of smiling and accepting our words she shunned us. We also tried to show Jon a native dance however we were told by a member of the staff that put their special together that it was not a good idea. We had hoped to keep in touch with Jon as well as his wife and children however we have not heard anything from them since they left the island. We do appreciate that they thought of us and invited us to the ceremony and we also thank the hotel staff who was kind to everyone. One of the banquet ladies actually came to my table and spoke to us many times just to make small talk which was sweet.

11/19/2008 9:49 AM
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Thank you for sharing this.

My goodness these two bozos have NO SHAME.
I can't wait for the day this all catches up to them. Boy do they have it coming!

mollybloom said...

This show has been doing damage control for a while. I think if TLC had found any mainland relatives that were willing to attend this farce, these guests would have received the trip for free. Showing a familiar face at this point would have quieted a lot of talk. That there were no PA friends and family at the event speaks volumes about how Jon and Kate treat the people who have helped them. And the Hawaii attendees were expected to bring gifts? Puhleeze. These gentle relatives responded more kindly than I would have found possible. They should have shown up empty-handed and eaten as much as possible, knowing that they will be cut from future events regardless.

Anonymous said...

It's too bad Mady's parents have the maturity level of the tups.

Don't insult the tups!

goldensglitter said...

Personally, I think TLC is deliberately letting KON bury themselves by the looks of their editing. They just set up the new family with 10 kids, we now have the Duggar's on a regular basis, we have the Roloff's. I think KON is not long for TLC and the 10 kid family was used as a barometer for ratings.

I know this has been stated over and over again, but the wedding epi was total trash. Even if they were to end the show tomorrow, this family is ruined, imo. They will never be able to get back what they once had.....normalcy. They obviously do not have the intelligence to cope with, nor the likeable personalities to handle the current status of their lives.....that is totally apparent when you watch epi's from this season. Be gone KON, before you get kicked out by TLC.

To Anon 9:49AM- If you are who you say you are, well this does not surprise me in the least. Most wealthy people who have special affairs will state "No Gifts Please" on the invite, not supply a list of what to buy. That is totally gross and ignorant. Obviously, you must have felt something very wrong about this farce of a wedding since you found this website and posted.

Anonymous said...

A list of gifts??? How crude!!
What type of items were they scouting for?? No doubt they have
two of everything on earth.
Maybe a new 15 passenger van or a
sports car for jon, couple horses for Aeden. Unreal.
Let's get an update from the relatives, please and thanks.

Anonymous said...

IMHO, it appears that they have not purpuse in everyday life. Too
much togetherness.
You know yourself if there is a certain deadline to meet - you can get all kinds of things accomplished. Eons ago, I was self-employed with a husband underfoot - I loved taking several hours by myself to go shop and have a quiet lunch.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 9:49AM- If you are who you say you are, well this does not surprise me in the least. Most wealthy people who have special affairs will state "No Gifts Please" on the invite, not supply a list of what to buy. That is totally gross and ignorant. Obviously, you must have felt something very wrong about this farce of a wedding since you found this website and posted.
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I don't think the "no gifts please" should be releagated to people with money. It's just another example of thousands of how KON have no shame and no class.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, people like Jon & Kate never see the wrong that they are doing. I have a sister who is just like Kate and to this day, she hasn't spoken to our family in 10 years and all because she thinks she is "all that and more." She wasn't raised that way, she BECAME that way and has the same attitude of entitlement that Jon & Kate have. It boggles my mind that people can walk through life without family, friends or any lasting relationships. Even my sister's own kids don't have anything to do with her because of the way she is. Jon & Kate are looking at the same bleak future. No amount of money will save their family or make their family stronger. They are just too ignorant to see past their own greed and figure out what is really important.

MargaritaHour said...

The gravey train should be ending. With all the economic problems our country if facing and all the stores closing or going out of business, they should cut the ties of freebies to these people. I think that everyone should write to the companies, including Gymboree to stop giving them freebies. Why can't the same stores give away six or eight pairs of free outfits to people truely in need?

I am annoyed with the show, but I can't wait to see the coming episode with their new house. I am sure all these companies that give the freebies away will be like...wait...what? I think thats when the gravey train will come to an end.


Companies aren't giving JK8 things as charity, it's about GREED, not NEED. And I'm not talking about Gosselin Greed, I'm talking about corporate greed. These companies are doing this to plug their products through a VERY popular tv show, despite the hate there seems to be for Jon and Kate. Gymboree doesn't give them clothes because they think this family can't afford to clothe their kids, it's so these adorable kids can be shown wearing their clothes in hopes that millions of people will rush out to buy clothes "just like the Gosselin kids."

I'm not saying your idea of writing these companies and letting them know you're disappointed that they would support this charade is a bad one, but believe me, it's all about advertising, not charity.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
My husband and I were guests at Kate and Jon's wedding that took place last summer. I know it was on the television recently and I just wanted to clear up a few things. Prior to this event we never met Kate or Jon or any of their children but being that they are family we felt a special kinship towards them. A couple of months before the event we received a mailed invitation which also included a separate print out of appropriate gifts to give. I personally did not feel that was a very loving thing to do but I understand that this is something brides sometimes to do ensure that they not receive duplicates. Please keep in mind that we like many native islanders are living on a fixed income and do not have the kind of funds necessary for such extravagances. There were many scenes from the wedding that were not televised on the special. Many of the women went up to Kate and we did try to embrace her and congratulate her. Instead of smiling and accepting our words she shunned us. We also tried to show Jon a native dance however we were told by a member of the staff that put their special together that it was not a good idea. We had hoped to keep in touch with Jon as well as his wife and children however we have not heard anything from them since they left the island. We do appreciate that they thought of us and invited us to the ceremony and we also thank the hotel staff who was kind to everyone. One of the banquet ladies actually came to my table and spoke to us many times just to make small talk which was sweet.

11/19/2008 9:49 AM


All I can say in response to this is WOW just WOW. As if the request the presence of a relative neither J nor K had ever met wasnt enough, they included a list of 'appropriate' gifts. IMO, your presence at their vow renewal WAS their gift from YOU!! Their entire vow renewal was one huge GIFT after another! The free stay at the Grand Wailea, all the preferential treatment, all the accomodating of the Gosselin family 'needs'. I can respect your sense of loyalty to family by attending this 'event', however I find it absolutely APPAULING that J & K and the TLC production staff treated you like a stand in 'extra'. Even more so that the Grand Wailea staff acknowledged and respected your presence more so than J & K. It has been almost 3 months since the vow renewal ceremony took place and for J & K to not even so much as to personally contact you expressing their thanks for making their day a special one is beyond rude and disrespectful!! Another family member used and tossed aside after they have fulfilled a purpose in J & K's greed fueled agenda!

Anonymous said...

In response to the comments from a family member who attended the vow renewal farce.

Where is Jon's respect and loyalty towards his family!!!!!! J & K choose the location of the vow renewal because Jon 'has roots there' and then turns around and treats the individuals from which those roots were founded with such disrepect. Instead of embracing was this family member had to offer and bring to the family in enlightening them to the Hawaiian culture (native dance), the family member told to refrain. Why didnt JON man up and over ride production's decision and ALLOW his children the opportunity to learn about an element of their heritage!!!! IMO, the family members attended the vow renewal ceremony out of respect for what it WAS, and not to fulfill the terms and conditions of J & K's the show is our life and our life is the show! To request the presence of family members at their vow renewal and then turn around and demand expectations of them per a film and production crew is is above and beyond disrespectful. The family members were invited to attend a vow renewal ceremony, NOT be a 'character' in the filming of a J & K reality tv episode!!

Ms. Boomer said...

What the invited relative wrote broke my heart. KON have no sense of etiquette. One does not ask people they don't know for presents. Her behavior at the wedding to the so-called relatives was unforgivable.

TLC, put this horrid show out of its misery. Their 15 minutes is long over.

goldensglitter said...

I don't think the "no gifts please" should be releagated to people with money. It's just another example of thousands of how KON have no shame and no class.

11/19/2008 12:29 PM

I see your point, I was just comparing classy wealthy people to KON who is wealthy and classless, and teaching their kids to be the same.

Anonymous said...

When they celebrated 50 years of marriage, my grandparents renewed their vows in our church where we all worshipped (and still do) together.
They sent out printed invitations and wrote, “Your presence is our cherished gift and we kindly request no others.”

Anonymous said...

Whether the family member is real or not it certainly sounds like something Kate would do. Perhaps they might like to provide more info but that is really up to them.

Anonymous said...

BTW - Did anyone catch the interview portion in their basement where Jon (alone on camera) was talking about his relatives and how nice it was to hear stories about his mother..and in the background you can hear Kate snickering??? Ridiculous, this woman knows no bounds!
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YES!!! I did hear that, at first i thought it was in my head,but it is there!!

Anonymous said...

This is in response to the comment left by Jon's relative that attended the vow renewal ceremony.
I hope you don't feel bad, Kate has proven to be a cold hearted woman and I hope you realize you were only invited to be a seat filler. May I ask if there was any mention of the reason why his mother was not in attendance? It was so obviously awkward at the reception, it looked like you were just staring at the two of them try to dance and probably enjoying watching the children more than anything.
By the way, my family is from Hawaii although we now reside in northern California, we understand the spirit of Aloha and the meaning of Ohana. You proved to be a typical big hearted islander by accepting their invitation and bringing a gift.
I am dying to find out what was on the list of appropriate gifts to bring!!! Can you believe the nerve?
I hope you post here more often, you are more than welcome here at this site unlike you are at the Gosselin KON-pound.
Someone needs to give this relative the number to a reputable reporter that would love the inside scoop unless you were forced to sign a confidentiality agreement.

Anonymous said...

What the invited relative wrote broke my heart. KON have no sense of etiquette. One does not ask people they don't know for presents. Her behavior at the wedding to the so-called relatives was unforgivable.
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One does not ask for presents from ANYONE, regardless of whether one knows him/her or not.

Even if they had mentioned a registry that would be just as tacky.

This was a vow renewal, not a "wedding".

Anonymous said...

I see your point, I was just comparing classy wealthy people to KON who is wealthy and classless, and teaching their kids to be the same.
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KON are a perfect example of "new money" - tacky and showy.

My husband's first cousin (whom I adore) is the sole heir to his grandfather's huge fortune (approx $50 million). You would NEVER know it in a million (no pun intended) years : he is kind, humble, frugal, generous with his friends and family - everything that KON are not. Oh, and did I mention he WORKS full time instead of resting on the laurels of his family's wealth ? I always have to give kudos to his parents for raising their children right (the daughter is just as nice).

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