Keeping the Sextuplets "Toddlers" is Savvy Marketing

I’ve read so many comments and observations here from people that question why the sextuplets still wear bibs and sit in high chairs as well as the baby talk that is encouraged instead of corrected.


It’s really quite simple: Smart marketing.


History in the entertainment industry has shown us that once child stars get older that the cuteness is gone and no longer profitable.


Keeping the sextuplets from growing up is making the Gosselins and everyone connected with the show in the business of making money.


What will happen to the show if the sextuplets were allowed and encouraged to develop and mature normally? It would be cancelled and the Gosselins and producers surely must know that.


Seeing almost-5 year old children still talking like toddlers, wearing bibs and sitting in high chairs keeps the illusion of the cute little tykes afloat. As long as the illusion is there, the money making will continue.


It isn’t bad parenting that is keeping them behind in their growth or maturity levels, it’s smart marketing.


Submitted by Kris

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Anonymous said...

I would say it is smart marketing and also bad parenting. Doing everything for your kids and not letting them grow and mature is bad parenting, IMO

Leeza said...

Are you confusing past episodes with that of the latter ones?

The tups are 4 and 1/2 and are progressing as they should. I don't see any suppressing of their childhood.

You're really grabbing at straws here.

Nancy said...

This may be the reason we see little of the twins now. Not because anyone is sensitive to their possible wish to be off-camera, but because they are EIGHT YEARS OLD and can no longer be passed off as "little".

MidnightSun said...

It isn’t bad parenting that is keeping them behind in their growth or maturity levels, it’s smart marketing

Ultimately it comes down to bad parenting when the parents willingly go along with developmentally damaging behavior.

ashley said...

Leeza:

I dont think they are grabbing at straws. The tups are not encouraged to stop their baby talk, they do still wear bibs and use sippy cups.

Any four and half year old I know wont use a sippy cup, lol they are big kids..... just ask them :)

ThreeFarmers said...

I go back and forth on this one. While I believe that the bibs are used to keep the kids from getting their clothing messy, I'm not sure that J&K consciously use them to make the kids seem younger than they appear, although it has that affect. I agree that they are old enough to be able to eat without a bib.

Mady and Cara were about the same age as the tups are now when the babies were born. Were the twins still wearing bibs in the first two specials? I don't think so, but I'm not sure.

While I think the high chairs need to go, I'm more ambivalent when it comes to the sippy cups. I agree that at 4-year-old kids should know how to drink out of a proper cup, but I know I get tired of dealing with kids spills. My 5-year-old nephew is with me everyday and that kid doesn't pay attention when he puts his cup down and often it ends up on his fork or spoon and tips over. I'm often tempted to give him a sippy cup or, at least, stand him over a trough.

Anonymous said...

As I see it when the show first started the twins were the age of the tups now. They did not wear bibs, sit in high chairs at that age so why are the tups still doing it. Because they want us to believe that they are still "babies".. I for one am not falling for it. I quit watching the show its a total farse and I think this is borderline child abuse not
physical but emotional abuse . The way she treats Alexis and the boys is going to haunt those kids the rest of their lives because its going to be for the world to see for the rest of their lives on DVD 1 - how many seasons they do. Kate and Jon are in for a rude awakening when these kids are teenagers unlike the Dilleys tups they are well rounded good kids. I dont think this will be the case for the Gosselins and Mady poor Mady I feel so bad for that child. She is in need of counsel and her mother always says its low blood sugar.I think not!!

diane said...


The tups are 4 and 1/2 and are progressing as they should. I don't see any suppressing of their childhood.


Oh really? Have you ever been around a group of 4 and 1/2 year olds? They most certainly ARE being suppressed and babied. Did Mady and Cara wear bibs when the show first began and they were that age? I don't think so. I think this is a combination of bad parenting, smart marketing, and pure laziness on the part of Kon--not wanting to let the kids drink out of appropriate cups or get their clothes dirty because that makes more work for them--guess what, parenting IS work. Let your kids grow up normally and deal with the challenges it presents.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Leeza. Most of the episodes we are seeing you could really say they just turned 4. Your reaching by saying almost 5.
Also I think that working with 6 children ( on their developmental needs) the same age would present a a challenge in itself that not many people here could address.

They are in pre-school now. Let's give them a chance.

machinegunsmom said...

I would have said the bibs were part of Kate's crazy but I see the point. I am glad to see that they finally banished the stupid plastic potties that had to be dragged everywhere they went--Gosselin bottoms are too delicate for normal public toilet seats.

What I have a bigger problem with is that they never seem to participate in anything that's assumed to be a childhood priority: Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, trick-or-treating (I understand that most candy handed out isn't organic and that Kate probably doesn't want her little celebrities begging for food on commoners' doorsteps)...the family that's all about "traditions" and "making memories" has yet to film another episode since the first season aired of them selecting a Christmas tree or carving pumpkins like they supposedly do every year...I'm shocked Kate even allowed a real tree in her house since they probably get "dustlies" ("needlies?") everywhere.

I don't know, maybe it's one of the many things were just not shown (though we are shown kids going to the bathroom), but I have never once heard a child or anyone else speak of Santa, never seen pictures of them piled on Santa's lap or the Easter bunny's...I think it would be fun to see them all in costumes trick-or-treating, even if they just trick-or-treated close friends and family members---wait, there aren't any left.

ashley said...

You know what comes to my mind when I read this....... There is an episode of The Simpsons (VERY lame show lol, but others in my family watch it so sadly I have seen some episodes) that show the characters talking about behind the scenes stuff and Lisa ( I think thats her name) is talking about how they gave her stuff to stunt her growth so she wouldnt age or something. Anyways the Gosselins remind me of that.

One day they wont be able to pass the kids off as toddlers anymore.........

Anonymous said...

If developmentally damaged people are cute, then Jon Gosselin is a widdee biddee doll boy. How cute are money grubbing bitches? What's next..will they put a bib on Kate and film her on her potty? Make number two Kate and I'll give you a jelly bean!

DirtyDisher

jon and kate are cons said...

Kate and Jon might think it's smart marketing, but who suffers, the tups. Bad parenting, it is for sure. What parent that loves and cares about their children, put money first? Parents are suppose to protect their children, and it's very obvious that Kate and Jon don't do that.

As far as the twins, they realize what is going on. They are bigger and they can voice their opinions. We won't be seeing very much of them on new show's.

Anonymous said...

Bad parenting no matter how you slice it. There are some things you don't do for a buck. I know this is not a Kon mantra, but it is one of mine as a parent.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the are still in high chairs because no furniture store has offered them 8 free dining chairs?

Anonymous said...

I see this as both bad parenting and smart marketing. I think the genesis of keeping the kids in bibs, high chairs and sippy cups was for Kate's convenience to minimize messes. However, it has had the ripple effects of thwarting the tups developmentally and extending their appeal to the viewing audience. A backlash is created because discerning viewers know it is damaging and detrimental to these kids to be baby-fied. So, in my book, we have both lazy parenting and shrewd marketing which contribute to the infantilization of the tups.

And no, Mady and Cara did not use sippy cups, bibs and high chairs when the show started. They also spoke very well and it was obvious that someone had spent time working with them on their language and cognitive development. Pre-show and with only two kids Kate could draw attention to herself by showing off how developmentally advanced the twins were becuase of her efforts. That was her crowning achievment and, even then, it was all about her and how the children reflected on her.

It continues to be all about Kate and what is easiest for her, because we know how exhausting it is to do hours and hours of stain removal. And who is Kate to say no to the sextuplets being hindered in the development of age appropriate self-help skills when to do so would crate more work for her and possibly hasten the derailment of the gravy train.

pinkdiamond611 said...

How are they going to learn how to drink without sippy cups if they aren't able to practice? The same with using markers, cutting and pasting, and other developmental milestones a child must reach before being ready for kindergarten. Yes this stuff is messy. Six children, two stay at home parents, is a ratio of 3:1. There is no excuse why the tups are not drinking from a cup. Not to start any debates here, but sippy cups do not train a child how to drink from a cup, you use different muscles of your mouth. Also, you are not as careful with the cup, because you know it will not spill.

Anonymous said...

I think the bibs are to keep the kids clothes in good condition so they will bring higher prices when they are sold.

SueM said...

I'm willing to cut them some slack on the bibs and sippy cups. The bibs, I'm sure are for Kate's anal need to keep them clean. As for the sippy cups...I kept my kids in sippy cups through kindergarten because I was constantly cleaning up spills when I tried real cups. Cleaning up 6 spills would get ridiculous. And, it's easier on all their long trips to hand a kid a sippy cup when they are in need. I don't know if they make organic juice bags. As for the highchairs: those should've been gone a few years ago.

The thing that I can't agree with is the scheduled naps at 4 1/2. I know, kids fall asleep and need rest at this age. Mine did too. I let them rest when they needed it. But, really, does anyone schedule a nap every day for their almost 5 year old and actually revolve their day around a 2-3 hour nap??
Maybe I'm in the minority on this one but, I would not be a slave to a nap schedule at this age. When my kids were in pre-school and almost 5, they were having playdates with their little friends and going to the playground and library storytime at this age. They would come home and rest for a while afterward. A 2-3 hour nap would keep them up later at night.

... said...

We should remember that these children were born 10 weeks early. It does take premies until they are 5 or so to catch up with their peers. They are also 4 and a half, not "almost 5".

In addition to that, it is well documented that multiples often develop a language all their own. It's called idioglossia. This may be mistaken for "baby talk".

I've always given my little children cups with lids when they had lunch. It wasn't because I wanted to keep them little, I simply didn't want to clean up any spills that inevitably happened without lids. I actually put a sweatshirt over my children's shirts when they eat lunch to avoid having stains all over their clothes.

I really think this poster is stretching it.

Linda said...

Anon 11/28/08 10:40AM
And no, Mady and Cara did not use sippy cups, bibs and high chairs when the show started. They also spoke very well and it was obvious that someone had spent time working with them on their language and cognitive development. Pre-show and with only two kids Kate could draw attention to herself by showing off how developmentally advanced the twins were becuase of her efforts. That was her crowning achievment and, even then, it was all about her and how the children reflected on her.
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It dawned in me when I read this post---when the twins were 3 1/2-4 years old, Kate was in the hospital and the twins were at Kate's parents. IMO it was the grandparents that were teaching/training the children, not J/K. The twins were taught and allowed to do things that were age appropriate.

Leeza said...

Diane-

Yes, I am around 4 and 1/2 year olds every single day...my twins!

We didn't see Mady and Cara wearing bibs because when the show started, it's main focus was on the tups.

Sorry, but I think they are progressing as any children would be. And, if I were Kate, I too would make sure they are wearing bibs, especially since they are most likely going out or doing something else after they eat. I only notice the bibs when they have their clothes on. When they are eating breakfast, I don't see the bibs. And, that's even with the older episodes, too.

I really think you all are just thinking of silly things to focus on.

As discussed a lot on this site, the show is edited. We don't see every aspect of their lives.

In fact, when they come back with new episodes, I'm sure we'll see just how beautifully the tups have advanced. Not to mention how much they've grown.

And, perhaps we won't see any bibs at all...then, the defense here will be the dribble "they were doing damage control".

Karen said...

I have a kid nearly four years old, and while we do still let him use a sippy cup for some occasions--travel, to have water by his bedside--we encourage drinking out of a real cup at the table. The way I figure, tables were meant to get stuff on them. Give the kid a straw and it's even easier for them.

Bibs haven't been used here for at least two years--I don't even use them on my two year old, because he hates them. They get dirty, so what? Clothes were made to be washed. Then again, I'm not trying to hawk my secondhand clothes as "memorabilia" to make some more money.

I think part of what is going on is, they have more kids than they had when the twins were that age. Add to that the "stress" of letting cameras into your home three days a week, and the "stress" of traveling for free vacations (and being filmed there, too), and you get precious little parenting. What they're doing is herding the kids around and providing them food and clothing, that's pretty much it. There's no time to encourage grammar, language, developmental skills, because they're too busy making money off the kids' cuteness.

I guess they figure the 'tups will catch up when they enter preschool.

momoftwoboys said...

You are confusing "sippy" cups with the cups they use, which are the next step up ... the closed cups with a built in straw. Not unusual for a newly 4 year old to use. Bib? No ... we haven't seen them in bibs in a while, so what's the beef there?

Stretching on this one ...

Anonymous said...

As a parent of a toddler only 2 months older than the tups, I agree that they seem to be behind other children their age. My daughter can eat a meal at the table sitting in a chair, with a regular cup and no bib and has so for some time. Plus my daughter talks as well as my older children in full sentences and articulates her words properly. Alot of times children mimic what others in their household say. So if they are not being taught the proper pronounciation of words they wouldn't know any better. Hopefully, pre-school will help them out but only if they can be somewhat separated from each other. My daughter has 14 other 4-5 year olds in her class and none of them act close to the immaturity of some of the tups.

Anonymous said...

I am one that truly sees this more as bad parenting. Yes, the network and viewers do want to see children stay at a young age forever, however, when will it stop? Are we going to see the tups wearing bibs, getting dressed by their caregivers and sitting in high chairs at 5, 7 and 8 years of age.

"The tups are 4 and 1/2 and are progressing as they should. I don't see any suppressing of their childhood".

I disagree with that one. They should be dressing themselves, talking in more clear sentences and not sitting in high chairs.
J&K are home all day with nannies, there is no excuse for the tups to still be acting like this. Their behavior and age appropriate skills are unacceptable at this point. Also, why are they still dressing alike? This bugs the hell out of me. They are not little dolls that are play toys. This does have a reaction to children.
Another annoyance I have is the fact that Kate treats the boys terrible. She speaks to them as though they are 2nd class citizens. Does she have any idea the impact she is creating. My mother worked at Attica Prison as a therapist and the one thing that every violent criminal stated was their mothers' were narcissistic women who treated them like they were below them and were told that they were not good enough. I hope that the boys do not treat women badly when they grow up but who knows with Kate as a mother. Just a thought.

Also, can someone tell me the episode where Kate makes one of the boys lay on the laundry room floor when he is sick.

Anonymous said...

I'll bet kate doesn't let them into the santa thing so that she and jon get the credit for the gifts.
They're so selfish anyway that it wouldn't surprise me if they did that, not because of religion but greed.

Anonymous said...

The tups are 4 and 1/2 and are progressing as they should. I don't see any suppressing of their childhood.

Unless however, you do not consider socializing with same age peers (outside of your sibling unit) a necessary element to the emotional, mental, and physical progression of a child. IMO, the Gosselin children may be progressing as they should developmentally speaking, however, with respect to the progression in the area of social skills, they are seriously deficient; which appears to be an intentional decision made on their behalf by the parent(s).

Anonymous said...

It dawned in me when I read this post---when the twins were 3 1/2-4 years old, Kate was in the hospital and the twins were at Kate's parents. IMO it was the grandparents that were teaching/training the children, not J/K. The twins were taught and allowed to do things that were age appropriate.

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It's great that someone else has noticed this, too. I wondered if it was really Kate's parents that taught the twins how to read and speak so well for their age. If Kate was hospitalized shortly after the twins turned three, I can't see her as being a real force in their development.

Anonymous said...

You can't compare six four year olds that came from one birth with a single birth four year old. Or even twins. You just can't. Multiples have to compete with their siblings in the womb for Oxygen which can affect the pace that they develop later on. The more multiples there are, the less Oxygen there is to go around. That's why one of the Hayes kids ended up with cerebral palsy. She got a lot less oxygen in the womb and wasn't able to devlop like her siblings. The tups being behind of a typical four year in some areas has nothing to do with bad parenting and everything to do with them being on a different rate of development path than a typical four year old.

Anonymous said...

first of all, they are not almost five. didn't they just turn four at the end of the summer? secondly, i have a child the same age and she takes a two hour nap still. she needs it. she also is hard to understand, alot more so than the three kids before her were. i think some of that is common with younger kids with many siblings. they have less adult conversation and more with kids. htey tend to develop later verbally. as far as the holiday things go, that is most likely a religious choice. we are of a similar denomination as J&K. we don't do santa claus or the easter bunny. we also dont celebrate halloween. we don't believe in it. i have ALOT of issues with J&K but i think this is "grasping at straws"

machinegunsmom said...

I actually see this with a LOT of parents, I don't know if it's some desire to hold on to babyhood and not let your kids grow up...maybe these are the same kids who, in high school/college, get absolutely everything paid for and handed to them with Daddy's credit card and don't have to work...except the Gosselin kids already do do more work than either of their parents.

A lot of moms whose kids aren't being marketed like the G's still use sippy cups, still push their kids in strollers (WHY go through that if your kid is perfectly able to walk and follow direction!!?? I'm already grooming my 18-month-old to walk with me when we're out and using a stroller as little as possible!)...I mean these are people who referred to the six as "babies" until they were 3 years old. I'm sorry, but my son isn't a baby anymore and he's only a year and a half old. He's a toddler.

And I was going to point out at some point that the baby talk is getting ridiculous. Yes, "aldergator" is adorable, but they should still nicely point out the correct way to say it. They are lightyears behind my 4 1/2 year old sister and I know that multiples have developmental delays but the Gosselins have never really seemed to...it doesn't seem like this is the root of their problem and actually, I've never even heard them speaking their own language like a lot of high-order multiples do--even when they were 16 months old when the show started. BTW, back then I thought it was weird that they were still getting formula/bottles that far past their first birthdays.

So...I don't necessarily think it's marketing, I think it's stupidity, and I see it a lot. Parents should stop baby talking to their kids at around 6 months so their kids can learn REAL words, bottles should stop at a year, sippy cups should probably stop not long after...my son already uses a cup with a straw like the Gosselins and only uses the sippy with water in certain situations.

The way they're going, regardless of the reason, half their kids are going to turn into total sociopaths. Probably the boys, Mady, and maybe Alexis if her mother continues to alienate her.

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised that the school counselers haven't stepped in yet (although they may have, hopefully, and we just don't know about it). With the twins being teased at school per Kate in articles, I would think they would step in immediately. They want to be celebrities, but are no where near savvy enough to give the protection that goes along with that to their children, as a matter of fact, while watching some of the shows, the twins act more mature than the parents do.
I know the 'tups were premies, but I remember the first or 2nd episode, they were reading on their own, no bibs, and no highchairs.

Anonymous said...

Linda said.... It dawned in me when I read this post---when the twins were 3 1/2-4 years old, Kate was in the hospital and the twins were at Kate's parents. IMO it was the grandparents that were teaching/training the children, not J/K. The twins were taught and allowed to do things that were age appropriate.

Funny you mention Kate being in the hospital! Yesterday, one of my relatives who worked at Hershey Med Center when Kate had the tups finally spilled the beans on what Kate was like. She said when she was asked before about Kate she always kept the truth to herself because she didn't want to judge someone who had six babies at once. The subject of the wedding episode came up and everyone was talking about how ridiculous it is that this family is famous for nothing.

Anyhoo, what my relative said is really nothing we haven't heard before, but it reiterates what other medical staff have said about Kate's stay. Kate mentioned numerous times a day that she was a nurse and she constantly challenged the staff over her care. She felt she was the most important person on the floor and did not like to wait for anything. My relative said that nurses usually make the best patients because of the empathy they feel for their colleagues. Not Kate. No empathy. The really funny part was the press conferences after the tups were born and when each pair went home. Kate would bark orders to reporters and want the babies in their carseats arranged and filmed in a certain way, as well as herself. As soon as the camera was on she would become this demure, grateful young mother who mentioned and praised God over & over again. When the camera was off, she went back to giving orders to Jon and telling bystanders to move on. My relative said one cameraman muttered "Mr. Jekyll meet Mr. Hyde."

Anonymous said...

You're really grabbing at straws here.
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Did you not see the high chairs and sippy cups at the luau?

Anonymous said...

I agree with Leeza. Most of the episodes we are seeing you could really say they just turned 4. Your reaching by saying almost 5.
Also I think that working with 6 children ( on their developmental needs) the same age would present a a challenge in itself that not many people here could address.

They are in pre-school now. Let's give them a chance.

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In my almost 4 yo's preschool, there is not one bib, sippy or high chair in sight. In fact, even when he was in his previous class (2 & 3 yo's) it was the same.

Anonymous said...

Also, can someone tell me the episode where Kate makes one of the boys lay on the laundry room floor when he is sick.
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I believe it's Cooking with the Twins and is in the KON Hall of Shame.

Anonymous said...

They are also 4 and a half, not "almost 5".

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And KON have been married for only 9 years, not "almost 10".

Anonymous said...

You can't compare six four year olds that came from one birth with a single birth four year old. Or even twins. You just can't. Multiples have to compete with their siblings in the womb for Oxygen which can affect the pace that they develop later on. The more multiples there are, the less Oxygen there is to go around. That's why one of the Hayes kids ended up with cerebral palsy. She got a lot less oxygen in the womb and wasn't able to devlop like her siblings. The tups being behind of a typical four year in some areas has nothing to do with bad parenting and everything to do with them being on a different rate of development path than a typical four year old

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Maybe, but hasn't there been much evidence stating that preemies/tups usually catch up with their peers by this age ? Just saying....

Anonymous said...

In fact, when they come back with new episodes, I'm sure we'll see just how beautifully the tups have advanced. Not to mention how much they've grown.
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I don't understand this comment, have they ever stopped showing new episodes? I know they do the marathons and show the old shows constantly until it's sickening, but I don't really remember any Monday night reruns in the timeslot that the new shows air, just afterwards. The kids don't get breaks.

ThreeFarmers said...

The tups being behind of a typical four year in some areas has nothing to do with bad parenting and everything to do with them being on a different rate of development path than a typical four year old.


That's right. It's the tups putting the bibs around their own necks. It's the tups who force themselves to sit in high chairs and it's the tups who pour their own drinks in sippy cups.

Give me a break. When it comes to bibs, high chairs, and sippy cups, it's Jon and Kate who continually make the kids use these icons of toddler behavior, it has nothing to do with their development in the womb. If the kids had no bibs, they would still eat. If they didn't have high chairs, they would still sit. And, if they didn't have sippy cups, they could still drink.

I'll give lack of oxygen credit for Aaden's eyesight, some of the speech problems and perhaps one of the reasons why they seem small, but that's it.

tha squirrel watcha said...

The highchairs should have been gone long ago, but as a former nanny of quads, I understand why they keep them there.I am just amazed that they still stay in them! I use sippy cups for my 3.5 year old everywhere except the table, so again, it could just be convenience. They will drink out of open cups in preschool. Even with myself and an au pair or one parent taking care of the quads, before age 6, you would be amazed at their destructive power. You really have to experience it to understand--it's not like 1 or 2 of the same age.

As far as their developement goes, in past episodes, there were little comments made about some of them being behind, which were suppressed by Kate. I always hold out hope because of those comments, that there is therapy going on behind the scenes. Much of their behavior/comments is also common in brats, which I don't believe can be changed, because they are acting like their parents, who are very sensitive and bratty themselves. (I'm sure there's a better way to describe this than "bratty", but I'm feeling lazy!:)

Anonymous said...

I didn't make it, but I saw it and laughed. I think it will be interesting to see what people say about Jon and Kate. I thought you might get a kick out of the secret, too.

http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/221707.html#cutid1

It's a Jon and Kate secret at 103. It's not a polite community (to say the least), so I linked to the picture directly.

http://i34.tinypic.com/fvy0bq.jpg

Anonymous said...

It's great that someone else has noticed this, too. I wondered if it was really Kate's parents that taught the twins how to read and speak so well for their age. If Kate was hospitalized shortly after the twins turned three, I can't see her as being a real force in their development.

Considering how Kate makes up her own words as often as her own vocabulary fails her, it's hard to imagine she had anything to do with the twins' language skills. It was the twins' luck Kate hadn't excommunicated their grandparents yet. Too bad for Jon he didn't stay with the grandparents, otherwise maybe his grammar and vocabulary would be as advanced as the twins'.

The Martin's said...

Leeza said...
Are you confusing past episodes with that of the latter ones?

The tups are 4 and 1/2 and are progressing as they should. I don't see any suppressing of their childhood.

You're really grabbing at straws here.

11/28/2008 9:12 AM
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I agree !!!

I don't see anything wrong with the developmentally. My daugher is 4 and still sitis in a booster seat or high chair when we go out to dinner. She has a booster seat here at home. While I don't use bibs, if I know something is going to be extremely messy then I will just take her shirt off. She still drinks from a sippy cup b/c I don't want to clean up the mess ! And the tups are drinking out of a cup w/a straw so I don't really think you can call it a "sippy cup" anymore. I am sure that they know how to drink from a regular cup just like my daughter does. Can you imagaine the mess with six kids at dinner drinking from regular cups !! And the high chairs have the front bar removed so it is essentially like sitting on a bar stool now isn't it ??

So yes I think you are really grabbing at straws.

Anonymous said...

we don't do santa or halloween either, it is a religious choice. not because we want all the credit

Anonymous said...

I have never seen someone as "full of themselves" as Kate. Its painful to watch, but I adore the kids and I worry about them.
TLC should be ashamed for filming these kids bathroom habits and various states of undress. Thats private stuff! What is it TLC doesnt GET about that?
Is the money really that important????
I would never allow my kids to be filmed like the kids are on this show! Not for a million bucks!
Shame on you TLC and Jon and Kate!

Anonymous said...

Newcomer says...
There are several posters who defend the sextuplets with the excuse that they were premature.
Their prematurity is an excuse when they don't act and speak properly for their ages however their prematurity doesn't seem to get in the way of them traveling all over the country, spending entire days at the amusement parks and accepting freebies. That doesn't happen with children who are truely affected by prematurity...they could not deal with traveling, time changes and different routines very well.
So the excuse of the sextuplets being born prematurely is really getting old....

michelle said...

I do not know anything about multiples or even premature births.
However, I do wonder if maybe the tups' speech could be a delayed development because of this.

Maybe they have or will have "normal" development issues.

Anonymous said...

For people who are such supporters of child exploitation, people here don't know that much about child development.

Lee said...

Anon:

first of all, they are not almost five. didn't they just turn four at the end of the summer?

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They were born in May, 2004. They're not "just turned" 4.

I have a friend who had a 10 week early preemie the month after the tups were born. Yes, there are some developmental delays in the first years and he was checked regularly at the hospital for the first 2 years. She is thankful that she now has a very healthy, happy 4 1/2 yr old with no medical issues.

What she DOESN'T do, is have him in bibs or high chairs. He sits at the regular table with a regular cup in a regular chair (although, he does have a booster seat to see over the table!). If you treat them like babies, they will act like babies. I'll give a pass on the sippy cups when they're running around playing, but not while they're at the table.

Anonymous said...

!Oh boy,oh boy,oh boy!---just can't wait for the newest installment--"twins play mommy". I can see it now,and what a hoot it'll be to post about this latest debacle.After seeing this,I'm sure of one thing--the saying "think I just vomitted in my mouth a little",will be front and center.Can't wait to see how RECAP'll write about this one--may the force be with you,"Dew","Sharla",and all the other bloggers to this site.Only you can save us from the forces of !KHANNNNN!

Anonymous said...

Several of the tups should be getting speech therapy if they aren't already.

When my son was screened for speech delays, we were told to get rid of the sippy cup ASAP because he needed to develop the muscles in his mouth associated with drinking from a cup. He as just barely 2 at that point.


Also, as to the comments about trick or treating, Santa, and the Easter Bunny, they may not do them because of their beliefs. I am a conservative Christian and do not do Santa or the Easter Bunny because I want my kids to appreciate the religious aspect of the holiday and not the secular one. They get gifts, but not from Santa. It might be the case for J&K as well.

Anonymous said...

Marketing kids is bad parenting. Kids should be free to be kids and enjoy all the things that kids do, not be branded and marketed to the highest bidder.

Moons in Leo said...

I have raised two singletons successfully, and I don't know if preemies or babies of multiple births are normally behind children born full-term who haven't shared a uterus with a sibling.

I can tell you that I think the tups are not challenged in any way to do things that are normal for their age group let alone do a little bit more.

They should only be wearing bibs when they have lobster, which would be often enough.

Cups with straws aren't too babyish.

I still think their mother and TLC want to keep them as young as possible for a variety of reasons.

I think it's a shame, because I truly believe it will prevent them from living up to their potential in the long run.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"In fact, when they come back with new episodes, I'm sure we'll see just how beautifully the tups have advanced. Not to mention how much they've grown."

I would consider episodes that were filmed as recently as September '08 as 'new'. I would hope for the sake of the children, that in the VERY near future the cameras will stop rolling and the time line of the progression of 'how beautifully they (the children) have advanced' is not a subject of viewer entertainment.

Jen said...

I agree that the sextuplets' speech delays likely originate from the fact that they are multiples, not from KON's intent to "baby" them. Nor do I think that the bibs and sippy cups are a conscious marketing ploy.

However, I DO blame KON for allowing the speech delays to progress as they have. It's not their fault that the delays exist, but it is their fault for perpetuating them. As the parents of multiples, they have an additional responsibility to monitor their children's progress more closely than the average child. If they spent more time educating and nurturing their children, and less time promoting their goddamn TV show, perhaps the 'tups would have caught up developmentally.

scoliosis99 said...

Leeza and Anon 11/28 @ 9:46,
I have a 2 year old daughter who can sit in a "big kid chair" and can use a regular cup. Did we have accidents in the beginning? Sure. But I was never MORE concerned about cleaning up the mess then teaching her do step up. I think Kate thinks that they would just be spilling right and left. That might happen for a few days to a week, but after that, once you EXPECT it from them, they usually will learn. Now to mention want to please mommy/daddy and show them what they can do. I def. dont think its grabbing at straws.

To ... 11/28 @ 11:59,
Once the tups reach 4 that 1o week age gap getts smaller and smaller. I would say by 3 they were within the normal limits of developmental guidelines.

Anonymous said...

In my almost 4 yo's preschool, there is not one bib, sippy or high chair in sight. In fact, even when he was in his previous class (2 & 3 yo's) it was the same.

Your are missing my point when you responded to me. These parents raised 6 children the same age all at the same time in addition to having older children. That is a daunting task trying to teach verbal and motor skills. That is not the same as 6 kids in a preschool class. These kids will catch up. Give them a chance.

Anonymous said...

For all those blaming the tups current status on prematurity, I have to say no way. I've worked as a Nicu RN for 29 years and these kids would have been totally caught up to their like-aged peers by age 3. Micro preemies, those born at less than 25 weeks gestation might still have delays at 4.5 years, but not kids born at 30 weeks gestation.
Preterm multiples usually mature quicker in utero because of the additional stress hormones produced by the mother. These hormones mature the vital organs. So 30 week gestation tups would likely do better than a 30 week singleton.
Low oxygen levels could cause damage to the neurological system, clearly not evidenced in any of the little ones. High oxygen levels can cause eye damage.
None of the issues with the tups has to do with them being born prematurely.Language delays could be d/t being Hom, but all the rest is related to lousy, lazy parenting, imo.
In terms of the twins, at 8 years of age and with minds and mouths of their own, they could now be considered liabilities. Who knows what might come flying out of their little mouths, hence the limited camera time, imo.

Anonymous said...

Kate corrects Jon on his speech more then she does the tups. She also is much more stern with her husband then their children. She does favor the girls. How often have you seen her tell Joel "Not another word...I mean it" Yet Madeline is allowed to act rude and disrespectful and Alexis is allowed to wail at the top of her lungs.

Moons in Leo said...

You can't compare six four year olds that came from one birth with a single birth four year old. Or even twins. You just can't. Multiples have to compete with their siblings in the womb for Oxygen which can affect the pace that they develop later on. The more multiples there are, the less Oxygen there is to go around. That's why one of the Hayes kids ended up with cerebral palsy. She got a lot less oxygen in the womb and wasn't able to devlop like her siblings. The tups being behind of a typical four year in some areas has nothing to do with bad parenting and everything to do with them being on a different rate of development path than a typical four year old

I'm no doctor, but since when are fetuses breathing in the womb?

Anonymous said...

I am not fan of the bottle blonde Hitler but I don't think they're trying to surpress the growth of their children. You can't fight mother Nature and those kids will grow up. They seem bright, or at least brighter than their parents.

Anonymous said...

The ONLY thing that KON and TLC can take credit for,is realizing just how many suckers there are out there in tv land.Go to the blog on this site,the one entitled "From a Recent Church Meeting".Scroll down about a quarter-of-the-way thru the comments,find the link for "photobucket.com",and have a gander at the pics for Queen Katie Irene's (and company) new digs.Trust me,you'll be disgusted at this greed and crass(the pics of the inside of the house are truly nauseating).What a couple of Hypocrites---I don't know who's to blame more for this media debacle-TLC,or KON. ALL of them should be ashamed of themselves--what a mess,especially in this season of "the economy is in a mess,are you sure you need that mega-thousand square foot abode?" Kate,and to a lesser degree Jon,both make me sick--there's no way in heck I could EVER watch this show,and actually relate to either one of these "people".Just a pitiful case of greed,"me first", and the sense of entitlement.They're not worth the effort it takes to tune into the channel that broadcasts this mess.I truly feel sorry for the kids--hey TLC,ya goin' to pay for all the therapy that the twins and tups will need down the road?And NO-for all you KON lovers out there,I haven't watched the show for a few months--I'd rather read the recaps.They're much funnier,and a whole lot more concise than what you'd actually get from KON,or TLC. KON should NEVER have been made into a series---a "once a year" special would have sufficed.TLC doesn't know the meaning of the phrase "quit while you're ahead".Tsk,Tsk,TLC-I'm sure some of your shareholders must read blogs "of all kinds" including ones that target the downright disgust of the company's(TLC and Discovery Communications,INC.) lack of morals,tact,and scruples of programming such as KON,on sites like GWOP.Don't forget TLC and Discovery-your shareholders have a right to ask about damn near anything,and they have the right to withhold,withdraw,or question ANY of Discovery's "finer print".And Discovery knows full well,that without wiewers for certain programs,the ratings fall,and without the almighty ratings,what's the point in producing a show that "no one watches".We're fed-up with KON, they need to go into retirement,and put the rest of us out of our misery.

Anonymous said...

When was the last time we saw highchairs?

I mean aren't they at the table? Or are those highchairs pushed up to the table? In which case I't not sure what the problem is? I mean if they aren't using the tray doesn't that just make them tall chairs with arms?

About the naps..In my family my brothers and sister didn't have nap time but we did have quiet time. They weren't required to sleep but they had to sit quietly and most days they did in fact nap without being aware they were almost tricked into it.

My mother works at a preschool so I always guessed thats what they did at the school she worked at.


I mean its been awhile since I've personally been around 4 year olds but some of these points just didn't seem to bad to me.

I do think they shouldn't just "ahh how cute" when the kids mispronounce something though. They should help them know the right way.

Anonymous said...

Yes, babies in utero require oxygen which is delivered through the placenta via the umbilical cord. One of the functions of the amniotic fluid is so that the baby does not step on it's cord and cut off the oxygen supply.

All animals require oxygen - even fish!!!
Regarding the Hayes child, I thought that it was mentioned they weren't sure at what point she lacked oxygen. It could have been through the delivery where most cases of cerebal palsy occurs.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I am not fan of the bottle blonde Hitler but I don't think they're trying to surpress the growth of their children. You can't fight mother Nature and those kids will grow up. They seem bright, or at least brighter than their parents.

11/28/2008 5:50 PM
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Mady is definitely brighter than her parents combined!

Anonymous said...

The high chairs being used are convertable. They are not using the trays, just the chairs. The whole purpose of convertable high chairs is being able to use them longer and not have to buy booster seats.

Anonymous said...

It appears that Kate has some issues with not having a baby in the house. When the twins were outgrowing babyhood, there she went and had the sextuplets. What is she going to do now. From what I see, Kate portrays herself as needing a baby all the time.

Anonymous said...

Mady and Cara were about the same age as the tups are now when the babies were born. Were the twins still wearing bibs in the first two specials? I don't think so, but I'm not sure.

They weren't. And in fact, in one of the first two hour long specials, a four year old Mady sat at the table next to the babies and got them going in a little clapping routine. She also read from a note Kate left her that morning before work. At four years old.

However, I don't think they are being held back on purpose. They were ten weeks premature. To KON, they 'look' healthy. But emotionally, and mentally, those kids are most certainly going to have some sort of delays. I have a set of twins born 8 weeks preemie, here in PA. And in PA the state offers free Early Intervention as young as 6 weeks. I enrolled my twins at 3 years old in order to prepare for preschool. As far as we know, the cameras filming were priority over the few hours a week it would have taken to allow the IE teachers in the house (and yes they can come to the house).

Kate is WELL aware of this, as Hershey's NICU not only informs parents of this service, but will also set up the appointments as a follow up. And being as she had a 'free' LPN come in during the first year, it's borderline neglectful that she didn't make IE some sort of priority during that most critical year.

One thing you never see Kate do is address the developmental issues that they face as a result of being preemie. Whether this is her doing or Figure 8's, it glorifies not just multiple births but premature births.

Oh and, even now that my twins are nearly 12 years old, they still MUST be reffered to as NICU grads. On any medical paperwork (even the dentist) as well as the school nurse forms. They did not require as much intensive treatment as the tups, and they weighed about a pound more each then the tups averaged. But NICU babies stand a very high chance of developing issues later on in life.

Personally, I really hope that somewhereoff camera, those 6 children are seeing a specialist on a regular basis. A little IE can go a loooong way. Especially now while they are so young.

ThreeFarmers said...

For people who are such supporters of child exploitation, people here don't know that much about child development.

Non sequitur, much?

The two topics are mutually exclusive. One doesn't have to have a learned background in child development to recognize when children are being exploited.

Anonymous said...

In a physcology class I took a few years ago (for fun I don't pretend to truly know one way or the other.) I learned about birth order. The teacher told us that often the first borns will do things "first"

"___ was walking at 3 months old"

"___ learned to talk in the womb"

As a parents first they are pushing them more to learn to walk and talk and do all of their "firsts". It's new and exciting for the parent and they also take it as a way to judge how good they are as a parent.

Second borns on the other hand will maybe walk a few months later then their older sibling did because the parent isn't pushing as hard. Not that its not exciting for the child to have these firsts but because they aren't trying to prove themselves quite as much and because they do have more children to be watching out for.

The book also said that different rules would apply for multiples but we never really delved into that.

I would imagine (only my opinion) That it would apply here as well though. The twins came first and were pushed harder. That it may be normal that children born later aren't given quite the same push. Also that the great number can add to it as well.

Although now I expect responses saying "My second born did everything earlier in life" or something else proving me wrong I do want to say this is just based off something I remember from years ago that stuck with me and my own opinion. I don't claim to truly know one way or another.

Maybe there really is a producer yanking away the big girl/boy cups and trying to stuff them back in the cradle.

Anonymous said...

Multiples have to compete with their siblings in the womb for Oxygen which can affect the pace that they develop later on. The more multiples there are, the less Oxygen there is to go around. That's why one of the Hayes kids ended up with cerebral palsy. She got a lot less oxygen in the womb and wasn't able to devlop like her siblings.


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Umm, no. Cerebal Palsy isn't caused by lack of oxygen in the womb. A lot of the time it is caused by lack of oxgen immediately after birth, i.e., a preemie being intubated and the amount of time it can take to stimulate their breathing, etc.

Ten weeks prematurity is nothing to sneeze at. And yes, without proper intervention, those children can very well have delays and conditions until they are 24, not just 4. Ten weeks preemie can equal months behind developmentally. Even now at four years old, they can have issues that are as seemingly little as not being able to hold a pencil of utencil without grippers, or (as seen in one of the episodes already) not being able to work a pair of scissors. And as a matter of fact, to those who say it's stretching the matter, the next time they show one of the boys eating (and especially the boys because preemie boys do generally do worse than preemie girls and need more help), take notice to how they hold their utencils, at four and a half years old.

It's not bad parenting, it's lack-of-parenting. Darn those camera men for not teaching her kids fine motor skills for her.

Anonymous said...

Not sure where to post this but here goes.

I wonder what Kate really thinks about all the negative comments about her. I've heard her say on the show that she ignores it. But come on, to be continually slammed has got to weigh on a person. Or am I missing something in that a person with a narcistic (sp?) personality simply doesn't care and shrugs off the comments.

Anonymous said...

You know what comes to my mind when I read this....... There is an episode of The Simpsons (VERY lame show lol, but others in my family watch it so sadly I have seen some episodes) that show the characters talking about behind the scenes stuff and Lisa ( I think thats her name) is talking about how they gave her stuff to stunt her growth so she wouldnt age or something. Anyways the Gosselins remind me of that.
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The Gosselins remind me of the episode where Apu has the octuplets and sells them out at the zoo. :(

potsysmom said...

If you're worried about spills from open cups then give the kids water. It's a whole lot better for them than the Juicy Juice they drink by the gallon. That's how my kids learned, and at 3.5 that's the only drink they are allowed to have away from the kitchen table.

It's not OK to give older children sippys. It's bad for them. The reason that sippys were developed is because parents don't want to clean up the spills (me included, thus the water rule).

And as for bibs....my kids started rebelling against them right after their 2nd birthdays and this was not a battle I thought was worth fighting. I've been known to have them take off their shirts or put on an old undershirt when eating something messy. Guess what Kate - Shout and some Oxy Clean get stains out of clothes if you treat them right away.

As for the speech - I'll give them a break on criticism. My children have speech delays but we are working on it. We were told that one of the best ways to help a child develop speech is to have them in a classroom situation with other children. The Gosselins are doing that now. Children who are multiples are known to have speech issues. Not all children, but it isn't uncommon.

I think you hit it right on the head - keep 'em young. No one wants to see older kids. Who cares about six children who can dress themselves, feed themselves, use "big boy" and "big girl" cups, sit in dining room chairs properly, and can use an adult toilet without drama.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Not sure where to post this but here goes.
I wonder what Kate really thinks about all the negative comments about her. I've heard her say on the show that she ignores it. But come on, to be continually slammed has got to weigh on a person. Or am I missing something in that a person with a narcistic (sp?) personality simply doesn't care and shrugs off the comments.
11/28/2008 7:26 PM
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If these negative comments were written about me, I'd have to go into hiding in shame and take my kids with me. I believe Kate does read them on a regular basis, but she simply does NOT care because people with narcissistic personality disorder NEVER believe they have or are a problem. It is ALWAYS someone else who is the problem. That's just Psychology 101, folks.

Ravello said...

I've said for a long time KON was desperate to prolong the babyhood of the tups to keep them viable as the family wage earners. I still think the kids are cute at 4 and a half but really the cuteness factor peaked for me at 3. People will be less and less interested in them as they get older.

A few people commented on how Kate treats the boys, this is a much more serious issue than the sippy cups. It is documented in scientific literature that a boy's relationship with his mother has a profound impact on his life. God help Joel Colin and Aeden.

Joelgate was the tipping point for me on Kate, I still cannot believe how she treated a feverish, vomiting 3 year old.
Gumgate, Cupcakegate are also examples of Kate treating the boys poorly.

AmandaT said...

We can debate details, but the 'tups are being infantilized. The twins are shown less now, most likely because they are speaking up (think of when Mady called Katie on the maid of honor thing). The whole thing is going to be over when the littler ones catch on and start pointing out that Mommy and Daddy lie.

MomOfThree said...

My goodness, all this debate going on about sippy cups, bibs, high chairs, naps, holiday observances and speech. All parents do things differently (as we have seen in these posts) and it's really easy to say "I would never put a bib...or give a covered cup or use a high chair...on my 4 1/2 year old". But some people do and if I had 6 all the same age, you bet I would, too! Interesting how parents of singletons are quick to pass judgement yet the former nanny of quads (WHO HAS ACTUALLY "BEEN THERE, DONE THAT") can see (AND APPRECIATE) the idea behind, for example, the use of high chairs, which in my opinion, these are "high chairs" in name only, as they are really tall stools with wooden dowels around the perimeter at hip level for safety reasons. They are not the typical "high chairs" with high, padded back and tray in front. What is the difference, really, if these are used or a regular chair with a booster seat strapped onto it? Or having a kid sit on a phone book or two, for that matter? All these methods have been used in the past and I've yet to hear of someone scarred for life because of this or that their parents tucked a "bib" or napkin under their chin as a child. Don't good manners dictate that children and adults alike place a napkin on their lap or tuck it into the neckline of their shirt? Why would this be? Oh, to keep from getting food on their clothing. Having raised three close-in-age singletons to school age, I can't imagine the amount of spills/food stains each day 6 all-the-same-age would have and, call me lazy if it makes you happy, but I wouldn't want to clean that up day after day. Would you?

As for the speech issue, I, too, have heard that multiples have their own "language" and that by being around other kids i.e. pre-school, playdates, etc, this will eventually be out-grown. In the case of the Gosselin kids, hopefully this will happen and if not, I'm sure their teachers at school will recommend speech therapy. One of my children has been in speech therapy and it works. In fact, as I recall, on the most recent update show of the "Dilley Sextuplets" at age 12 or 13, the kids were still having trouble pronouncing the letter "r".

What I am trying to say is that few of us here have experience with high order multiples, so regardless of how strongly we feel about something, unless we are in those shoes we can't really know how we would handle these issues. The simple fact of having to care for several small children at once would certainly mean that "unusual" methods would be used. The development of the twins versus the tups is a no-brainer. Of course, teaching (and cleaning up after) two is easier than six. I remember one of the early shows they did before the series. The 'tups were babies and Kate was working a 12 hour shift on a Saturday and left notes for Mady and Cara to "help Daddy" and one of the twins read that note out loud and I was so impressed with how well she read. I'm not surprised that the same can't be said for the 'tups. But to say that these kids are being suppressed or that their development is being stunted because they are required to wear a bib or take a nap is just silly.

Natalie said...

My son was born the same day as the tups - May 10, 2004. And YES, he was also premature.

He has many of the same issues the Gosselins seem to have. He was diagnosed with a severe speech delay (possibly apraxia) at 2, started wearing glasses at 2.5, has a little difficulty with peer interaction, etc.

Do I think this is because of my parenting? Nope. My 2 year old daughter has none of these issues.

So I give J&K a partial pass on the above. That said, if these issues exist it is their responsibilty to help in the appropriate manner. For instance, my son has been receiving speech therapy on a regular basis and we've also been to many classes regarding how to help him at home. We enrolled him in preschool at 3. Both of these things have helped a great deal. I very much hope that the Gosselins are getting such help off-camera (well, we know they are in preschool).

Bibs, sippy cups, and highchairs? Not in our house!

Anonymous said...

Yes, Juicy Juice is very sticky to clean up. Kids need to drink more water because it helps to flush out their kidneys. Sippy cups are ok for really little kids, but the tups should be drinking out of regular cups. Just lazy parenting, I think. Also, with sippy cups kids swallow alot of air and it might give them gas.

jon and kate are cons said...

Ravello,
You had to remind me of poor Joel on the floor in the laundry room sick. Knowing that Kate is a nurse, makes it even worse to think about. My heart ached for Joel. I hope that when Kate is sick and vomiting, that Jon makes her go and sleep on the floor in the laundry room.

I would never, ever want Kate to take care of me if I was sick in a hospital. I don't trust her.

SueM said...

Joelgate is now showing on cables "On Demand". I rewatched it the other night and it never gets old! It shows so many flaws: Jon with his scratched cornea still driving the twins to cooking class. Mady being cute at cooking class but getting backhanded compliments from Kate during a couch chat. Kate stops mid-sentence in a couch confessional to scream at Jon "EXCUSE ME, Do you have to breathe so loud"!! The girl tups showing their true colors in their behavior. It's not their shining moment! Leah, mostly recovered from her sickness gets more comfort and sympathy from Mom than poor sick Joel. And of course, the "JOEL, What did you DO?!" like he had any control. She looks sheepishly at the camera when she realizes that she's been caught yelling at poor sick "Vomitous Boy". It's amazing!! If anyone wants to see what we dislike about Kate, it's all there in one episode.

So, it's not being forced to wear bibs and drink from sippy cups that will haunt these boys as adults! If they make it to adulthood with no Mommie Issues I'll be shocked!

And...it's all on DVD for the world to see forever! How nice!

Anonymous said...

"we don't do santa or halloween either, it is a religious choice. not because we want all the credit"

I didn't mean everyone wants the credit but you can be sure Kate would want it.

Anonymous said...

They are way to old to be wearing bibs. If the clothes get dirty, they get dirty. That's what washing machines are for.

The baby talk isn't fair to the kids. The parents talk worse than the kids.

These are very bright and beautiful kids. No reason to not let them progress. They are so lucky to have such cute and bright children. But to continue this behavior can't be good, it only hinders them.

So I tend to agree with the OP. I never thought about it like that.

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate should be wearing bibs....to catch all that organic fertilizer that keeps falling out of their mouths.

Janine said...

Leeza said...

"You're really grabbing at straws here."


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No disrespect but have YOU seen the recent episodes?? I used to teach a co-op preschool when I was in high school (there was a teacher supervising obviously) and the class was made up of 3,4, and 5 year olds. NONE of them sat in high chairs, NONE of them used sippy cups,NONE of them wore bibs, NONE of them had their parents say "Okay we are going bye-bye now." NONE of them were antisocial, they all played together and socialized as children should.

Not only are the Gosselin children very secluded due to the lifestyle their parents have forced on them, but they are obviously not being allowed to develop and mature the way they should normally, and yes I believe this is strictly for marketing puroses.

Think about it Leeza, the draw of this show was about the cuteness and littleness of those 6 sextuplets (and kind of Cara and Mady too), so why would they take all that babyness and cuteness away if they don't have to? I believe that in the Gosselin parents minds, TLC, and Figure 8 it is a HUGE risk to let the "babies" develop and grow into actual children who argue, fight, throw tantrums, and do all those "not-cute" things.

This reminds me of an episode that was aired this summer (the 'tups were over 4 year old") where I believe they were at the NC beachhouse and Kate was talking about a certain situation and she said that Jon was outside with the twins while she "was inside with the babies."

Now if that doesn't say something, I don't know what does.

Anonymous said...

You know I'd love to see a hidden camera on KON when they're not being taped. How do they act, what do they say and do? I bet Kate is even more of a hateful shrew.

Janine said...

While I believe that the bibs are used to keep the kids from getting their clothing messy

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Why does Kate even worry about their clothes getting messy? I mean she gets TONS of FREE clothes from Gymboreee, Gap, etc AND she has two seperate people who fold all of her launfry and put it away for her. Kate has said herself that all she has to do is put the clothes in the washer and the dryer and her "helpers" do the rest.


"trick-or-treating (I understand that most candy handed out isn't organic and that Kate probably doesn't want her little celebrities begging for food on commoners' doorsteps"

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WHY NOT?? Jon and Kate are constantly begging for money, tops, ANYTHING NEW that they can get for FREE...so why would they would worried about their children getting candy for free?? I have also wondered though why, though all the boring episodes that they do decide to air, why havent they ever done a Halloween episode?? I mean, I know alot of families who are Christians and they just dress their kids up and go to their churchs for carnivals and fall festivals and stuff. Just because people are religious does not mean that they dont dress their kids up and atleast do something fun with them on Halloween.


AND............
About the sippy cups...I have already started to allow my 19 month son to start practicing using a "bug boy cup". Of course I am always right there, and I always help him balance it and put it down properly so it doesn't spill, but I think that it helps teach children independance when their parents allow them to start doing things that the parents do. My son Tanner knows that he can not ALWAYS drink out of a "big boy cup" but I allow him to when he asks and says please...which is also something the Jon and Kate have never tought their children-the words please and thank you. Also, just last week we went out and bought our son a booster seat (with a seat belt of course) that hooks to a regular dining room chair and that is now where he eats his meals, and he does perfectly fine. And to be honest, he loves it more because I think he feels so much more included and so much more like a big boy because he is sitting at the big table with Daddy and Mommy instead of getting his highchair pulled up to the table.

I don't know, maybe I'm a little early on the booster chair and starting to let him learn with a "big boy cup" but my son seems to be doing just fine.

SamanthaGrace said...

Someone mentioned Mady reading a note from Kate in one of the original specials. I wonder if Mady was told what the note said before they filmed it? Because she was barely 5 there, and in the hide-and-seek episode--where I think she was 7--she had a little bit of trouble reading Kate's instructions. Though that could have been due to Kate's handwriting...It was just a thought.

Anonymous said...

While I have an opinion on whether or not children who are 4+ need to sit in high chairs, use sippy cups, or wear bibs (no, to all of the above) - I absolutely also agree that it's these are parenting decisions that the Gosselins can make and it's really none of my business.

But where it is my business, because I believe that society does have an interest in protecting young children, is the choice by Jon and Kate Gosselin to sacrifice their kids' childhoods in order to earn money. The only reason we can comment on bibs and sippy cups is because these parents have chosen this idiotic life-on-camera for their kids.

I want the focus to remain on the central issue: is it healthy for the Gosselin children to grow in a Truman-style existence? I remain convinced that it's not. Even if Jon and Kate Gosselin were model parents, I'd still insist that the original decision to film their family virtually 24/7, is unhealthy and has a high risk of having serious long-term implications.

Hollie23 said...

Would you really want six kids all drinking out of regular cups and NOT using bibs, I understand where it becomes silly if you only have one or two kids to clean up after. When you have six kids don't you think that it is much more practical to prevent messes and spills? As for the high chairs, that makes sense as well, it puts the kids at the right height and it keeps them a little more contained when eating so they feel relaxed and secure when eating. My 2 year old will sit in a regular chair sometimes and he drives me crazy, he won't stay in it the whole time and he doesn't focus on the meal as much. I think the kids have a good vocabulary, the kids seem normal to me.

Anonymous said...

Your are missing my point when you responded to me. These parents raised 6 children the same age all at the same time in addition to having older children. That is a daunting task trying to teach verbal and motor skills. That is not the same as 6 kids in a preschool class. These kids will catch up. Give them a chance.
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I understood your last point and I understand your current point.

The issue I have is that KON have never shown an interest in correcting the children's speech (in a constructive way), helping them learn to read, etc. Their priorities are not on getting the kids up to age/grade level abilities.

Anonymous said...

"I agree with Leeza. Most of the episodes we are seeing you could really say they just turned 4. Your reaching by saying almost 5."





My 4 year old nephew would not be caught dead in a high chair, or a bib for that matter. He hasn't used a sippy cup for ages... how about teaching a kid to drink properly from a normal cup??! They do need to stop babying those tups.

Anonymous said...

"In addition to that, it is well documented that multiples often develop a language all their own. It's called idioglossia. This may be mistaken for "baby talk"."



Riiiiigggghhhhhttttt..... "him's my buddy" and "me no like him" is just bad grammar. Admit it, some of the tups have really bad speech problems.

Also in response to the poster who said they were preemies and may take up until age 5 to catch up to their peers:

I was a preemie, and I was not babied like they are. I was treated like my siblings, did not talk like a baby with awful grammar at 4 years old, and certainly did not wear a bib and use a sippy. Being a preemie is no excuse for KON's bad parenting, it's just lame.

Jen said...

Just wanted to add that my son is much younger and uses a sippy cup (he's 14 months old) but the doctor suggested we allow him to drink, with assistance, out of a regular cup occasionally to get him used to the idea. Yes, at 14 months old!

By 3 years old, most kids are able to use a regular cup if not filled all the way and if using a cup of normal proportions (not too wide or tall). When I was a kid, I never used a sippy cup at all and my mom thinks they only delay the inevitable anyway...yes, kids make messes. That's how they learn.

As someone mentioned, there is a 3:1 ratio of kids to parents in that house nearly all the time. If a daycare worker can legally handle 8-10 in my state, why can't two parents actually SIT DOWN and teach these kids these things. It's sad because in the earlier specials, the older girls are the same age and have many more skills. I understand it's harder with 6 than with 2 kids, but less travel and more effort in parenting would do wonders.

Chris said...

I'd like to thank Anonymous 11/28 6:40 for giving some input as to EI in Pennsylvania. I've said for sometime that one of the big things that these kids need is speech therapy. It's nice to know that it has been available to them. I'm from the school that says "You don't owe your kids much, but you do owe them the chance to be the best they can be". Bad parenting is NOT taking advantage of the various therapies that are available to accomplish that goal.

Anonymous said...

Children born prematurely often develop later with regards to speech, even potty training. This is why their speech pattern is affected. They'll catch up in time to their full term counterparts in the world.

mistmi01 said...

"..." said (would you know yourself if I called you ellipses?)

"addition to that, it is well documented that multiples often develop a language all their own. It's called idioglossia. This may be mistaken for "baby talk"."

The tups say "her going", "him taked", etc. as any toddlers do.

Idioglossia is known to be rare, and usually occurs in cases of extreme isolation, despite what you would like to believe (undoubtedly about your own twins.)

The way the tups speak is far more indicative of children whose baby talk is not gently corrected ("where is she going, honey" or "he took what, Colin?").

Kate infantilizes those children--who are . While I don't know her, or her motives, one can suspect. And I do suspect she does it to maintain the illusion that they are still toddlers.

Anonymous said...

Well, Kris ---In my opinion, it may be "smart marketing" but it IS bad parenting!

Anonymous said...

The sippy cups are SOLELY for the parents' convenience and to avoid spills.
But, as many on here have said, learning to handle drinks is a very necessary part of maturing. I don't like messes either, but this is a learning process.
My little ones are now 5 and 7, and have routinely used plastic cups (no lids) at the table. Recently I started giving them glasses like adults use, and gave them each a straw and told them that they now are old enough to drink just like the adults.
There has to be a time that you trust them and allow them to learn. I understaand that in Kate's mind, she anticipates 2 or 3 times the messes that the rest of us anticipate....but they still have to learn the skills and confidence.

Anonymous said...

About Kate reading or hearing the negative comments: I honestly believe that she feels hurt and angered by them. But, being that she does not allow herself to think "should I think about changing this?" She just reacts with anger and insists that everyone else is wrong.
Did you notice even on the program when the producer has replayed examples of how she treated Jon or made some mistake....she vehemently denies that she made a mistake or should have apologized.
As for the bibs and potties.
Well, someday, Kate will be old and will again be using a long bib and someone will be putting her on the potty.

Anonymous said...

Word on those suggesting speech therapy. Their speech issues would be easy to correct if they would have a few sessions with a speech pathologist. They might be able to get it through their local school district at no cost to them.

I'm curious if the kids had early intervention at the house. My twins were 7 weeks early and I had EI services until they were three.

Anonymous said...

I can understand not wanting the mess to clean up therefore the bibs and sippy cups but they're at an age where you would think they would WANT to toss the baby act.
The problem is that they have only recently begun to interact with other children their age and so they didn't know any different.
I was thinking about Mady and Cara the other day and I am going to bet that they are going to discontinue their limited appearances on the camera. Both girls are fed up and the only way Kate and Jon can keep their mouths shut is to take them away from the camera.
Many girls begin menstruating at age 11 which is only 3 short years from now, I feel sorry for Kate....ummmm...no I don't!!!!

Anonymous said...

Janine said...
......, NONE of them had their parents say "Okay we are going bye-bye now." ....
You brought up something I forgot. Cara is known for sleeping later than th other kids. I think it was during the pumpkin picking episode that Jonn went up to get her and said something like "We're going bye-byes now." Correct me if I'm wrong but when the actual series started, Cara & Mady were almost 6 years old. The American Girl episode where they turned 6 aired only a few weks later.

My point is, K & J used baby talk with Cara & Mady too. Kinda weird.

Anonymous said...

To all the people that are defending the Tups speech by saying that "most multiples have made up language resembling baby talk" there is a distinct difference between a made of language and misuse of the English language.

For example Alexis saying "aldergator" and never being corrected. Or when any of the Tups say "hims" for example "hims looking at me" or "hims is going to throw up on your hands". These are the types of things that Jon and Kate should be correcting. Perhaps they are, but I've never seen it.

Anne said...

My children never used "sippy cups". They went from bottles to real cups, with practice along the way. In fact, all of them as babies, grabbed for my cup. At about 6 months, I let them have water from a cup and they were perfectly able to drink. Of course they stuck with a bottle for the most part at that age.

That being said - leave the Gs alone about the silly cups! For pete's sake!

Also, the poster (ANON. 11-28-08 10:30 PM) that commented on spanking kids for wetting their pants after potty training. Who does that? And if someone does, they need to stop - NOW! Every child, at some point, potties in their pants because they don't want to take the time to stop playing and use the restroom. Sitting them on a chair after the first time is all that is required. To spank a child over potty training is gross.

Also, people that comment that the tups are developmentally slow are totally wrong. There is such a huge range for development with small kids. The tups are fine. Really, you guys are way out of control to complain about this.

As for the high chairs everyone complains about, please stop. My children had a wooden high chair that converted to a youth chair by taking off the tray in front. Little kids need something to lift them up to the table. Booster seats don't work well at home because they are very clumsy and not comfortable. Many times, booster seats don't put kids high enough to actually be sitting at the right height for the table. What fun is that? The tups chairs are like a hybrid of a high chair and youth chair. Good heavens, everyone, back off.

In fact, some of the tups will be in gifted programs, I'm sure (example, Hannah and Leah).

During the one trip recently, Leah learned to fully swim, at four. That is very good.

The boys will catch up. Many times, girls mature faster than boys.

I think way too many people nitpick about the cups, the high chairs, etc. - those are really minor things. And to say the tups are slow in their development is crazy. No child is made like another. They are as different as we are. Look at all the postings here - how people write, the words they use, their grammar (or lack thereof). Kids are different. Period. That doesn't make them slow. None of the tups are anywhere near "slow".

Anne said...

One more comment. (Yes, I know, I have already said a lot.) I agree about the speech problems. But, I don't thik they need therapy. Jon and Kate need to be more active themselves on this. My best friends and I always mirrored back to our children if they pronounced something wrong or used bad English.

If they said, "Hims mean." We would say, "He is mean?" We never made it a big deal, but we always mirrored back the proper way to talk.

I have only heard Jon and Kate help the kids with their speech once.

Therapy isn't needed, just tell them the correct way every single time they say something wrong. Kids repeat what they hear. Without Jon and Kate fixing it, the kids repeat the bad speech of their siblings.

Many parents think talking like this is cute. Jon and Kate always laugh when the tups mispronounce words. It is only funny if you are working to correct it and it is just a stage they are in. What is cute at 2 is sad at 5.

My daughter wasn't even 2 when she started asking for a drink by saying, "Dink," and pointing to the water in the frig door. Even at that young an age, I replied back to her, "Would you like a drink?"

You don't need speech therapy for this, common sense works fine or a friend with good advice who has raised great kids!

Moons in Leo said...

I've been giving this a great deal of thought, and I agree putting bibs on the kids and giving them sippy cups is a parental choice.

As for the language issues, kids learn by listening to adults, usually their parents.

Kate is constantly belittling Jon's speech on camera when she seems to have little or no grasp of the English language's intricacies, and is just as happy making up her own grammar and words.

My son said 'glub' instead of 'glove' and we thought it was cute. My bad. I think aldergator falls into the same category.

However, most of the tups sound like they haven't been in this country very long. Using 'hims' instead of 'he,' for instance. I don't think that requires speech therapy, just parents who prefer to say 'pajamas' instead of 'nigh-nighs', or "We're leaving," instead of "We go bye-byes."

Anonymous said...

I hope they dont become like Gary Coleman

ALinguistsPerspective said...

I cannot say for sure that the Tups have a speech delay, but I feel comfortable in saying that the grammar errors pointed out on this site would not be substantive enough proof of one. I've taught kindergarten and have a Masters in Linguists/ESL, and I am not super-concerned that 4-5 year olds, even some 6 year olds say "hims taked" or things such as that- it's a very, very common phenomenon in that age group. I am happy to see, at least, that they're trying to use pronouns and simple tenses beyond the present.
It's fine for Kon to mirror back the correct grammar, but even that will take time to make any noticable change. For the most part, when you mirror back to kids that age, they don't understand that you're doing it to correct them; they're not going to connect what you said to what they said. I do mirror to my students instinctively, though...I just don't expect miraculous changes from it.
On the other hand, if the Tups are being offered some type of language assistance and Kon are not taking advantage of it SHAME ON THEM! I have had students in my classes with speech delays and the toll it takes on their self-esteem even in the early grades is tremendous; I could not imagine that a parent given the chance to minimize this even the slightest bit would refuse such an offer. But my skill-set ends there so let me just say...
I appreciate the HILARIOUS recaps and lively debate on this site... I hope that Kon and their PR team take heed to some of the advice offered here. Some of you are old hats at parenting and they're quite lucky to get your "been there-done that" reports.

Anonymous said...

"For people who are such supporters of child exploitation, people here don't know that much about child development"

FYI, I am NOT a 'supporter' of child exploitation as I do NOT support the act of exploiting children. I am however, in support of the opinion that the Gosselin children are being exploited. Additionally, It is not necessary for one to hold a degree in the field of child development to formulate an individual opinion regarding the issue of child exploitation as it applies to the Gosselin children. For one to take a stance on the issue of child exploitation is not contingent on their knowledge and understanding of child development.

Anonymous said...

When you have six kids don't you think that it is much more practical to prevent messes and spills? As for the high chairs, that makes sense as well, it puts the kids at the right height and it keeps them a little more contained when eating so they feel relaxed and secure when eating.

Sure. I think my concern is this. When does "they're getting older" start to trump "there's six! OMIGOSH the mess!"

I'm being a little flip, so please bear with me. There is always going to be six kids at age 3,4,5,6 etc in that house. That there's six of them does not mean that they don't need to learn how to drink out of a real cup. At some point it has to be done, regardless of spills.

I don't think its intentional in that I suspect Kate is a woman who really likes babies but its really not helping the tups to put the neat factor above the learning factor.

And after a while I tire of "there's six so doing x is more convienent over all than doing y because y takes more time, is messy etc" as an excuse. Guess what? If you don't have the ability to raise six same age toddlers, then don't make that committment. It's not the tups fault they are tups and not that one child that is easier. They as individual children don't deserve to be held pack in a dressed alike pack for their entire lives merely because a) its profitable and b)their parents are overwhelmed by six.

MidwestMomto3 said...

This has been bothering me since I watched a repeat of the episode where Kate finds a nanny. At the end, Kate--followed by the new (short lived) nanny--was spoon feeding one of the girl tups her supper. WTH?? I have a child a few months older than the tups. I certainly don't spoon feed him, and he hasn't worn a bib in over 2years. I searched and couldn't find comments on the blog about this.

Anonymous said...

Recently I started giving them glasses like adults use, and gave them each a straw and told them that they now are old enough to drink just like the adults.
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Kind of defeats the purpose of them using glasses if they still need a straw. Adults don't normally use a straw with a glass while at home. If you feel they don't need kid cups, why bother with the straws? To me it's no different from using a cup with a lid; i.e. a sippy cup

Anonymous said...

http://asq.uoregon.edu/

That's a link to the U of Oregon's Age's and Stages Questionnaire.

SmartyQ said...

Anne said... Also, people that comment that the tups are developmentally slow are totally wrong. There is such a huge range for development with small kids. The tups are fine. Really, you guys are way out of control to complain about this.

In fact, some of the tups will be in gifted programs, I'm sure (example, Hannah and Leah).


I can only reiterate that water doesn't rise higher than its source. Kon are of low normal intelligence, so the chances they will produce a gifted child are very slim. Mady is very bright, but I doubt she's in the 98th percentile.

One of my brothers was considered to be gifted in music. He would sit for long stretches and repeatedly take a chord apart, and he practiced faithfully without coercion—unlike his five siblings. :) Is he a famous pianist now? No. He's a retired engineer.

Neither Cara nor Mady, after being given instruments, were encouraged, nay, made to practice. I think Mady still plays her violin, but Cara's claws indicate she gave up on the piano. This is sad because, despite being forced to practice (ten years' worth), all of us learned discipline and to appreciate good music. Moreover, we all own pianos or organs and enjoy playing, albeit not too well. Kon's refusal to instill the need to 'swallow the bitter medicine' for future rewards will ill serve Cara in life.

The piano is but a status symbol in Kon's house. They're repeatedly discussing the need to fund eight children's college educations is also hot status air. With luck, three will get undergraduate degrees, but I'll bet it takes two of the children at least five years to get a BA/BS.

I believe the tups are about as developed for their age as they can be—considering their HOM status, genetics and parents' motivation. They unfortunately have parents who won't be able to help them with homework much past the fourth grade. Neither Kon values education (based on the lack of same by both of them), so I doubt they're going to be willing to shell out the $$s the children earned for tutors. The children will have to sink or swim on their own.

pinkdiamond611 said...

The reason why all the tups have the same "babyish" speech is because they are not socialized with other kids. They are always together, alone. We see them regulated to the basement, alone. There is no Kate there, teaching them proper grammar. Now that they are in preK, hopefully they will be exposed to "school talk" and not baby talk. When Mady and Cara talk to the 'tups they talk babytalk to them. Hopefully, they will all be ready for Kindergarten. As a Kinder teacher, I am more concerned about them hitting each other instead of using words to settle disagreements rather than their actual speech patterns.

Anonymous said...

I stopped watching the show a few months ago, but I did catch a rerun on marathon Thanksgiving day as I was sick in bed.

I saw them in San Diego in the aquarium. What struck me ( evenbefore this blogpost) was Kate kept saying things in a little babytalk. Things like, "Goodbye duckies, Say Goodbye, fishies". I thought, they are getting a little old for the parent to be instigating that.

babeeberry said...

I don't know where else to post this to share with you all. Here's a video of Jon...trying to sound smart schlepping electronics. Check it out for a good laugh!


http://sharerevmedia.com/component/option,com_seyret/Itemid,52/task,videodirectlink/id,337772/

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate have repeatedly been shown on the confessional sofa repeating the tups' baby talk and commenting "adorable." I suppose some parents think baby talk in older children is cute, but the Gosselins have a financial investment in it. Jon and Kate know that young children are more marketable on television than older ones (Cara and Mady live that reality), so there's a strong incentive to keep the tups as babyish as possible for as long as possible.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:44

Kate even says good-bye to poop when she flushes it down the toilet in front of the kids. I don't think she is helping the kids to grow up at all. I think Kate has a need to have "babies" for some strange reason.

Anonymous said...

Thank goodness other people have noticed the same thing my friend and I have been discussing for months - the sups are so far behind for their age! My oldest son was born 4 days before the sups, and to see him in comparion to the sups is absolutely amazing to me. High chairs - my youngest son will be 2 next month and doesn't sit in a high chair. Why can't the sups hold a pencil to write their names like a normal 4&1/2 yr old? Sippies at 4&1/2??? There is no reason for that. I also was blown away when I saw the episode of the sups birthday when they sang "Twinkle Twinkle" and Kate was clapping for them like they were 18 months old. "Twinkle Twinkle" at their age? That is so sad! And when do Jon or Kate read a book to their children? I haven't seen a book being read to them.

These children need an education, stop the baby talk (and they do talk like babies), sit in a chair, drink from a normal cup. Kate has enough help around the house to spend time educating her children - with all the nannies, chef and people she has con'd into folding her laundry, she has the time for her children..... instead of going to NYC to shop for wedding dresses.

Kimmer said...

Why such complaints about the chairs the kids sit in? They don't have trays and they don't keep the kids from getting in/out. They are simply non-traditional chairs that they use instead of a booster. If they had 10 regular width chairs, I'm not even sure they'd fit around the table. Then they'd have to put the smaller kids in boosters to be able to sit comfortably at the table. (now we get to hear "I have a 4 year old who never used a booster").

Their speech will be fine - some of you said that kids learn from each other - and multiples even make up speech patterns on their own. I've heard 4 year olds who speak worse and 4 year olds who speak better. The tups fall within the large range of appropriate speech for a preschooler. Some sounds aren't even developmentally appropriate until age 5=7. My 4 year old (singleton) daughter has several appropriate mispronounciations as well as some "cute" words like "gorilla" for "umbrella".

People can freak out about the bibs, I personally don't care either way. I don't think it's Kate trying to keep them babies - I think it's her over-the-top anxiety about the clothes getting dirty.

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:45

Kate's children will never come before Kate. It's always about Kate. She is a very selfish person and always will be that way. It will be her eight children who will suffer in the end.

Anonymous said...

Why does Kate always says that "Hannie" has the best speech out of all the kids? She seems rather withdrawn and besides the occasional tattle doesn't say much to Lady Gosselin.

Anonymous said...

babeeberry said...
I don't know where else to post this to share with you all. Here's a video of Jon...trying to sound smart schlepping electronics. Check it out for a good laugh!


http://sharerevmedia.com/component/option,com_seyret/Itemid,52/task,videodirectlink/id,337772/

11/29/2008 2:46 PM

Who is the target audience of this ridiculous lame promo? Come on. Jon promoting on line shopping resembles the same 'dumbing down' flavor as Kate promoting her menu ideas that consist of meatloaf and a ham sandwich.

Anonymous said...

I can't beleive the comment that none of them could be exceptionally bright because Jon and Kate aren't.

Einsteins parents were not geniuses or even especially smart. He would even have been considered "dumb" for quite awhile when he was younger.

I'm not saying that these kids are brilliant but I think its a bit early to count them out.

Andrea said...

I agree and disargee. In one episode they wre going outside to play in the snow and Aaden said "glubs." Kate corrected him and told him to say "GLOVES," not "glubs."

diane said...

I agree and disargee. In one episode they wre going outside to play in the snow and Aaden said "glubs." Kate corrected him and told him to say "GLOVES," not "glubs."

Of course she would correct one of the boys. She notices everything they do that isn't good enough.

Ravello said...

I doubt the tups had much intellectual stimulation prior to starting preschool.
I often wondered if KON read to them, which would help speech and vocabulary.
They are not even allowed to touch a crayola marker, doubt they had much chance to develop artistic or writing skills.
Does Kate converse with the tups?
Of course she nurtures Hannie but what about the others? She didnt even both to go on the boys special day out. She doesnt seem to bother with the boys.
We have no idea where they will rank on the IQ scale, I agree their social skills and pre kindergarten skills seem a little behind. They can catch up. I am glad they are finally in preschool.

Anonymous said...

While I would agree that Jon and Kate are keeping the kids "little", I would argue that it is probably somewhat intentional and also a bit unintentional. Knowing that my 5 yo is the last of my kids, I've done the same thing. Many a time I am hit with mixed emotions as I realize that he's getting bigger.

I'd also add that I have a 12-year-old and there are plenty of days I wish I had given her the sippy cup and bib.

babeeberry said...

Anon 4:56 said:

Who is the target audience of this ridiculous lame promo?

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I almost thought this was a joke...I found it through a google alert. He's so uncomfortable through the entire clip and it really makes no sense. At least he got to plug their show, their vow renewal, their van and how they are trying to pinch pennies b/c of the trying economy. Poor Jon and Kate.

Anonymous said...

Come on Jon! Do you think we all fell of the turnip truck? No need to pretend like you are trying to save money this holiday. The kids want everything and they will get everything you are hawking in you little online commercial for free. That's right Jon its all free for peddling it for the company! Nice try though.

Anonymous said...

I saw them in San Diego in the aquarium. What struck me ( evenbefore this blogpost) was Kate kept saying things in a little babytalk. Things like, "Goodbye duckies, Say Goodbye, fishies". I thought, they are getting a little old for the parent to be instigating that.
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I think if the kids weren't there, she would have talked the same exact way, the twins are more mature than they are.

Anonymous said...

babeeberry said...
I don't know where else to post this to share with you all. Here's a video of Jon...trying to sound smart schlepping electronics. Check it out for a good laugh!


http://sharerevmedia.com/component/option,com_seyret/Itemid,52/task,videodirectlink/id,337772/



Nice that since Kate's not here he can pick the gift that he wants to pick (sound of whip snapping in background) We have decided, I'm sorry I should say "I" have decided....

Wow, Jon is saying something on his own. Can he do it? Let's see.

....and in our house a thousand dollars x 10, that's a hundred bucks a kid, that's perfect for us.

Oopsy Jon, I guess you can't. I'm sure you meant to say a hundred dollars a kid x 10 is a thousand so we'll let that one slide. But those Freudian slips do add up, so try to be more careful. That's why you need Kate there, to slap your face and correct you. When will you learn?

So, "I'm like, Kate! this gives you cash back rewards! And she's like 'whatever'."

Oh my god. Please Jon and Kate, you must stop giving us so much fodder with all your dumbass little clips. It's getting way too easy.

Anonymous said...

The piano is but a status symbol in Kon's house.

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I remember the episode where the piano was being delivered as a generous gift (freebie). I'll bet the donor is not too happy that he donated a piano that isn't being used.

Anonymous said...

babeeberry-

Thanks for the link.

Wow, whose idea was it to use Jon as a spokesperson? He sounded as ridiculous as Kate promoting KMart and layaway for the holidays.

Gee, if not for Jon, I NEVER would have known about cash back rewards or the benefits of shopping online. GREAT ADVICE.

Also, couldn't help but notice that the drawing/Christmas list he held up was Hannah's.

ThreeFarmers said...

I'd also add that I have a 12-year-old and there are plenty of days I wish I had given her the sippy cup and bib.

I hear ya. I have a 30-year-old nephew who I swear didn't speak in complete sentences until he was 15.

Anonymous said...

My son was premature and he never had speech issues. In fact, he was and still is incediably articulate. Never used baby talk when I spoke to him and did my best to model correct grammer...even when his mistakes were cute I knew they would not be cute once he was older. Children develope speech by listening to the adults in their world...enough said...these kids are going to have huge problems when they get to school...images, Kon for parents, and baby talk...I feel for these kids.

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Anonymous said...

Love how Hannah's face was the one that kept being shown over and over in the background.

And I wonder if Hannah is the one who wrote the words on that Christmas card (her name) or if one of the twins did it...

Anonymous said...

I recall reading quite a while back that 2 of the tups received PT through Easter Seals when they were small (sorry, don't recall where I read that). This always stuck with me b/c 2 of my 3 kids have received services (PT, OT & speech) through Early Intervention, and I've made it my 'mission' to try to raise awareness of how incredibly helpful EI therapy is for kids with developmental delays. I'm not Kate (thank goodness), but if I were I would certainly use the show to that end and not try to hide the fact that some of her kids needed a little extra help - there's no shame in that.

Anonymous said...

I think the joke is on J&K. On Thanksgiving, one of my nieces was channel surfing, and of course that ridiculous song "It's A Beautiful World" was on AGAIN for the thousandth time, and about 35 family members said unanimously
"I AM SO SICK OF THAT SHOW!!" Then the conversation turned to how they can't stand Kate Gosselin and why ( too many reasons to list ),but that they watch because the kids are cute and/or because they want to see Kate have another meltdown. Not one person had anything nice to say about J&K. Yet J&K think they are rock stars now and they think people watch because they are America's favorite family.

No J&K, we are not laughing with you....we are laughing at you.

Tigerfan said...

Hate to be the one to inform Jon & Kate Gosselin, but the idea of pinching pennies and budgeting smart is a concept that is a reality that has been forced upon many many American families and not some make believe scenerio that sounds good because it comes from the mouth of J & K Gosselin. Individuals who have lost their job , retirement, life savings, and many their homes do not need or require the likes of Jon and Kate Gosselin to instruct them on the benefits of budgeting smart and pinching pennies. For these individuals it's called REALITY ; a crucial element to their EVERY DAY LIVES. It is very easy for J & K to talk the talk, but they do not walk the walk to the 'reality' in which they speak.

Anonymous said...

Hmm I keep thinking of a teacher I had who always used to say to us "Be more constructive with your feed back"

It weirds me out when I read people say "Wow Kate we never would have known to make a list without your help" or "Jon we wouldn't have known to shop online without you." or "Kate was so original thinking up a meal of meatloaf" or any other sentences like these dripping in sarcasm.

I know these are basic things that lots of people know but when they sugguest something normal I don't understand why people are so critical. I don't think you'd mock your mother/grandmother
/sister/father for saying "I make a list before I go to the store" Or "I did my christmas shopping online" or "For an easy quick healthy meal I make meatloaf"

They do weird things ALL the time. Things that deserve a raise of the eyebrow. So I just find it weird how people will jump on them for the normal things they do as parents, lists, meatloaf or shopping online as much of America does.

The fact is they DO exploit their children. The fact is Kate is an insane mean mean lady. When I see them mercilessly mocked for normal things like lists and meatloaf I get the feeling that its just mocking for the sake of mocking without any real thought.

I'm not saying that they are decent normal people who are logical and being abused by the public. Thats oubviously not the case. They are damaging those children in the same way countless other child stars have been damaged. (I think of Makuly -sp- Culkin who did like 4 movies in a year with no breaks and didn't have his own bedroom -alexis anyone?-while his greedy father horded his money) but when you do mock maybe double check if the thing you are picking at is an actual weird thing. Trust me there are PLENTY of things to choose from besides "she mentioned making meatloaf and ham sandwhichs."

Maggie said...

Sadly, Kon are laughing their way to the bank.

However, who has the last laugh wins.

For the sake of a really mixed metaphor scenario: the fat lady hasn't sung, yet.

I guess we will see?

Maggie said...

I mock them for putting their children and their potty habits on the airwaves.

I mock them because they seemingly have no self awareness of how they appear.

I mock them because they put money before their family.

I mock them because not only do they put money before their family, they have alienated their families and have to have strangers show up to the "vow-renewal".

I mock them because they have no friends anymore.

I mock them because their children are "premmies" and they would leave them sick and fly off for a free hair transplant.

I mock them because they think they are "stars" and need teeth whitening, veneers, boob jobs, hair transplants and botox, and that children need spa treatments.

I will give Kate a pass on the tummy tuck. But why did she have to ask for more.

I could go on all night, that isn't the point. Don't air your dirty laundry if you don't want to be mocked.

Anonymous said...

I think many posters are completely missing the point. This big long discussion about sippy cups and bibs is becoming a way for some of the posters to brag about their kids being ahead of the learning curve and others being behind. The original poster's point was SMART MARKETING. KON and TLC are making money off all of the items featured in the show - the sippy cups, the high chairs, basically anything and everything about the tups. Viewers are drawn to the tups and the more KON and the network "keep them young" by any means possible that equals marketing dollars for the show.

Anonymous said...

Although I am not a fan of Katie Irene I have to say that I did see her correct little Aaden's grammer on a episode tonight.The episode was "Photo Shoot" Aaden said "There's so much people here" Kate corrected him and say "There's so many people here"....Is that correct grammer? Shouldn't it be "There are alot of people here"

Anonymous said...

I mock them for putting their children and their potty habits on the airwaves.

I mock them because they seemingly have no self awareness of how they appear.

I mock them because they put money before their family.

I mock them because not only do they put money before their family, they have alienated their families and have to have strangers show up to the "vow-renewal".

I mock them because they have no friends anymore.

I mock them because their children are "premmies" and they would leave them sick and fly off for a free hair transplant.

I mock them because they think they are "stars" and need teeth whitening, veneers, boob jobs, hair transplants and botox, and that children need spa treatments.

I will give Kate a pass on the tummy tuck. But why did she have to ask for more.

I could go on all night, that isn't the point. Don't air your dirty laundry if you don't want to be mocked.

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My point is those are ACTUAL reasons. While making meatloaf really isn't. Your list of things is legit though and well thought out which was mostly my point. You talked about actual issues.

alana said...

anonymous said

"one thing you never see Kate do is address the developmental issues that they face as a result of being preemie."

I've noticed how Kate gets defensive at the slightest hint that any of her children, including Jon, aren't 100% perfect. (Yet Joel needing glasses and Easter Seals becoming involved was the only excuse she could come up with for the city council to approve the private nurse for another year.) Two other sextuplets were supposed to see the eye dr. for possible intervention at certain intervals, yet Kate "forgot" about making an appointment until months later. I think they were Collin and Leah - ? And remember the not so loving way Jon pushed Joel's glasses up on his face as they left the suite for the vow renewal? Jon, too, has his own snobbish putting on airs attitude about his family and lifestyle; however, IMO he was raised to be like this, while Kate's is all affectation and phony.

Kate has a "thing" about babies. Of course she does; babies are easier to control than toddlers or older children, and their needs and demands are few. A baby is an immediate sign of fertility - something Kate desperately hangs onto for validation. Big kids are old news and their demands and needs are numerous and exhauuuuuusting.

I think it's criminal that KON hasn't replaced the books that the children tore up - no matter who did it, nor the "reason." Those children, ALL children, need to read and be read to. And it could help with their embarrassing speech and vocabulary problems; since no one bothers to really talk to anyone besides Hannah, reading to them would be next best. Oh what a pathetic set of "parents" KON is.

Maggie said...

I believe that Aaden wears the glasses, and is "the professor".

Anonymous said...

OMG! Get over the sippy cups and bips! Everybody has different ways of raising kids and when you've got SIX 4-year-olds, you've got to try and manage the damage somehow! As for the high chairs, they're NOT high chairs, they're convertables that are made to be used with older kids. Those chairs are perfectly fine for their ages right now.
As for their speech, I agree that it's probably due to them being multiples BUT they NEED to be starting some kind of therapy.

As for sippy cups, bibs and chairs, those are the LEAST of these kids' worries and it is coming off as a little nitpicky!

vipersue said...

It amazes me they dont let the kids dress themselves yet or pick out their own clothes. Hell, Kate doesn't even let Jon pick out their clothes. As of a recent episode the kids didnt know what foot to put their shoes on and had blisters from wearing shoes on the wrong feet. I never see them correct the kids grammer and on their website Alexis has something written about I yike my amimals. Jon asks the kids if they want to go Bye-byes. These kids are 4 1/2 not 2 years old. They need to grow up. Hoping being around other kids in school will help.

Anonymous said...

Regarding my giving my little ones a glass with a straw:
I use a straw myself when drinking things like soda.
You know...like when you order something in a restaurant and use a straw with it?
I give them a straw just because I think they like it....but of course, they can drink out of a glass without one!
This doesn't defeat any purpose at all. Using a covered plastic cup delays the skills of using a glass. (straw or no straw) Balance and caution handling liquids is learned.

Anonymous said...

We were 9 under 13 and I remember my mom making the younger kids put on their "dinner clothes". Basically, we had large, old t-shirts that we would wear when we ate, the same idea as bibs without actually being bibs. We didn't use sippy cups. Some people might think that's stupid but it worked for us. We didn't want our clothes to get wet or dirty. If bibs and sippy cups work for jon and Kate, then so be it. Yeah, it seems childish but to each their own...

Janine said...

"Booster seats don't work well at home because they are very clumsy and not comfortable. Many times, booster seats don't put kids high enough to actually be sitting at the right height for the table. What fun is that?"

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Im not ure what kind of booster seat you have but my 19 month old son just converted from a high chair to a booster seat last week and it is perfectly great! The booster seat is NOT clumsy or uncomfortable whatsoever, and he is at a very good height at the dining room table.

He has alot MORE fun while sitting with Mommy and Daddy at the dinner table rather than sitting in his high chair.

M&L's Mom said...

My one year old isn't even in a highchair anymore - unless we're having something incredibly messy, and bibs are refused. I can't imagine puting my three year old into a highchair, let alone a 4 1/2 year old.

Let the kids grow up! Kids are messy, just the way it is. Being a parent is hard work. Let them drink out of regular cups, sit in regular chairs, and quit treating them like they're still toddlers. And at 4 1/2, I think we can get rid of the potty chairs (though they might have in the last yard sale episode...). They're old enough to use the regular toilet.

This shows pure lazyness on Jon & Kate's part - like making your child sleep on the hard laundry room floor while they have the flu instead of their comfy, warm bed where they could get the rest they need & deserve. But no - Kate doesn't feel like cleaning it up.

Please TLC - stop this madness and let the children have a normal life, in all aspects of the word.

Reese said...

He has alot MORE fun while sitting with Mommy and Daddy at the dinner table rather than sitting in his high chair.

11/30/2008 1:35 AM

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Ahhh... Have you seen the tups' chairs? They are sitting at the table, their plates are on the table, there are no trays (like a high chair) on their chairs. Their chairs are for older kids. They have no trays, etc. The tups sit at the dinner table, just like your little boy.

What Jon and Kate have are not high chairs. Get a grip people.

Comments about sippy cups, bibs, high chairs, etc., make the posters look silly.

By the way, one poster mentioned that Leah can swim by herself, head fully underwater. It was in a recent show. For all of you that think the kids are not developmentally with their peer group, that sure is advanced for a 4 year old (one that doesn't swim twice a day, everyday, because they have a pool in their backyard).

P.S. Here is a tip for everyone:
STOP PUTTING PICTURES OF YOUR KIDS BY YOUR NAME ON THIS OR ANY WEBSITE!

I can't believe how many of you people do that. It is so dangerous. I'm sure you think it is safe without other info listed, but people can find out anything these days if they want to. It is just not safe. We get it, you think your child is adorable. Great. Now, take down the picture.

linda said...

Anonymous said...
...So I just find it weird how people will jump on them for the normal things they do as parents, lists, meatloaf or shopping online as much of America does...


It's not because they are doing 'normal things', it's that KON are so narcissistic that they present themselves as an expert on the idea, as if no other person had ever made a list to stay organized. And KON actually believes that they are experts. My feelings is if you want privacy and not having the world remark on your behaviors, don't invite a camera in your home.

Anonymous said...

Hmm I keep thinking of a teacher I had who always used to say to us "Be more constructive with your feed back"
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Kate continues to portray herself as being supermom - she's uber organized, she cooks nothing but the best organic meals for her family, she is great at saving money, etc, etc. However, her "advice" is nothing but generic tips that have either been around for centuries or are basic common sense.

Clip coupons!! Buy in bulk or on sale! Place jelly on bread then spread! Use KMart's layaway! Look for great online deals with cash back rewards !

THESE are the creative,insider tips from a supermom ?

I am in the belief that if you are going to toot your own horn, you better be able to back up your claims.

Finally, I can't believe that the companies hiring KON as spokespeople are happy with their choices and also that the sheeple think that "cutting bread on the diagonal" is groundbreaking advice.

JMO.

Anonymous said...

Oh, forgot to add one more thing to my previous post about mocking KON:

As if the lame "tips" aren't bad enough, we all know that KON could care less about saving money or budgeting because they get everything for free. They are so transparently disingenuous it's pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Booster seats don't work well at home because they are very clumsy and not comfortable. Many times, booster seats don't put kids high enough to actually be sitting at the right height for the table. What fun is that?"
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Hi, if anyone wants a great booster, it's called Cooshie Booster and is made of this spongy, non-slip material. I've used it with both my kids and it is great. I think it retails for around $30 or whatever you can haggle at the Gosselin yard sale =)

lifeoriley said...

I agree that in part, the sippy cups and bibs are probably due in part to Kate's aversion to stains and messes. However, it's also smart marketing, IMO. I've seen several interviews with former child stars who complained about having to "look younger" so their character stayed "cute."
Unless the kids are in their good clothes and eating something very messy, the bibs and sippy cups should be phased out, IMO. As for the speech problems, I'm sure school will offer therapy once they are in kindergarten, if a problem is diagnosed. My son could not say the "L" sound for a long time, but by the time he was in Kindergarten, it worked itself out. He is now in college, speaks normally, and always has scored very high on the verbal and grammar part of standardized tests.
If the kids do recive some kind of speech therapy, I hope it is private and NOT discussed for the sake of the show or the viewers. These kids deserve some priviacy, without every little aspect of their development being scrutinized.

Anonymous said...

... said...

We should remember that these children were born 10 weeks early. It does take premies until they are 5 or so to catch up with their peers. They are also 4 and a half, not "almost 5".

In addition to that, it is well documented that multiples often develop a language all their own. It's called idioglossia. This may be mistaken for "baby talk".

I've always given my little children cups with lids when they had lunch. It wasn't because I wanted to keep them little, I simply didn't want to clean up any spills that inevitably happened without lids. I actually put a sweatshirt over my children's shirts when they eat lunch to avoid having stains all over their clothes.

I really think this poster is stretching it.
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Sorry, I have to strongly disagree with this statement. I have four children, the last two preemies, born at 30 and 31 weeks. They are now 16 and 14 yrs. They may have had preemie health issues , but were right on schedule with everything else. From the first smile, babbling, sitting up, crawling, walking, talking etc. Both of my preemies from the first day of kindergarten have excelled and are honor students to this day.

What you're giving here is a simple and lazy excuse for poor parenting.

Jon and Kate, it's called parenting, you should try it!

Tigerfan said...

Anonymous said...
...So I just find it weird how people will jump on them for the normal things they do as parents, lists, meatloaf or shopping online as much of America does...

It's so far beyond that. It's the fact that they (J & K ) and any one who utilizes them as spokes persons are so convinced that the simple fact of them having 8 children is a sufficient enough quality to convince consumers to 'buy' whatever it is their selling. As if having 8 children is evidence enough worthy of promoting a concept for which OTHERS (consumers)should follow.
Cutting coupons, turning your thermostat down at night, using ground beef as a menu stretcher, shopping on line. Get real. Is that the best J & K can pull from their bag of tricks.

Anonymous said...

Marketing...Hum. Just finished looking over the Sunday P&G Coupon
Insert...looks like a whole lot of
products I will no longer be purchasing if P&G has "Tapped"
Queen Kate as a spokesperson for them...A company as large as P&G should not have to rely on child exploiters to sell stuff.

Anonymous said...

It's not because they are doing 'normal things', it's that KON are so narcissistic that they present themselves as an expert on the idea, as if no other person had ever made a list to stay organized. And KON actually believes that they are experts. My feelings is if you want privacy and not having the world remark on your behaviors, don't invite a camera in your home.
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Thank you Linda - you nailed it.

To anon: fyi, my mother-in-law is an endless font of 'helpful' tips such as "use a measuring cup to measure your ingredients", and yes, my husband and I do make fun of her for it (not when she's around, of course, but it does help relief the aggravation that sort of 'advice' brings on).

Anonymous said...

lifeoriley said...
As for the speech problems, I'm sure school will offer therapy once they are in kindergarten, if a problem is diagnosed.
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Sadly, that is very often not the case. School districts have bottom lines like any other business, and unless the child has severe problems, most school districts only provide services when the parents advocate for the child (read: pester the school district until they provide services, something KON is not likely to do).

Janine said...

I just watched Jons promo video for Christmas shopping and all I could think about is, "Wow, he can actually speak in complete sentances, and seems to know SOME information about these products (even though he was just promoting them)".

Although once again one of the Gosselins was plugging something for money, atleast it was Jon who can actually talk without saying "Um" 197482 times in 2 minutes. Just imagine if it was Kate who had done that plug!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Although I am not a fan of Katie Irene I have to say that I did see her correct little Aaden's grammer on a episode tonight.The episode was "Photo Shoot" Aaden said "There's so much people here" Kate corrected him and say "There's so many people here"....Is that correct grammer? Shouldn't it be "There are alot of people here"

11/29/2008 9:13 PM
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Absolutely! There are so many people here. As far as "alot", it should be spelled as two words, not one.

The kids really need to learn how to drink out of regular cups. They are actually still "sucking" when using the sippy cups that they use, another indication that Kate wants them to remain babies. Let them learn how to drink already!!!!

erin said...

To be fair to the Gosselins--the tups look small for their age, so maybe the high chairs (which they aren't really, they don't have trays or anything) are for a practical purpose. Otherwise they would not be high enough.

Anonymous said...

Enough with the bibs, sippy cips and high chairs! Please,moderators, can we change the subject? With all due reapect,you said that you will not publish things that are repeated ten times or more. Sorry, I know you ladies must be tired, but can't we find other topics? Thank you.

Leeza said...

Diane 11/29/2008 5:38 PM-

It is insulting for anybody to accuse another mother of favoring her girls over her boys.

This is another assumption on this board that makes something out of nothing. Forget Joelgate. That was concocted by this board. Kate and Jon love all of their kids equally. (or as any parent does...equally and appreciate each of their uniqueness).

Each family has their own rhyhthm and internal bond. We are privvy to Jon and Kate's each week. Does it jive with your family's or mine? Maybe not. But, does that give you the right to judge them on their parenting? I think not.

To the person who's relative just now came out regarding Kate's behavior in Hershey hospital--I have a hard time believing that your "relative" suddenly now has something (bad) to say and you are posting it here on this blog. Cut us all a break and don't undermine our intelligence with your sudden "relative's" experience. Highly doubt it happened.

Also, when I see posts of people saying that the tups or twins don't have friends, keep this in mind...perhaps the fried's parents don't want them filmed. You can't assume that just because you don't see them playing with other kids, that they don't have friends. That is silly and once again makes me think that a lot of you like to make things up just to see your ludicrous post. Which, to me, is hurtful to the Gosselin children.

Anonymous said...

I think a lot of their issues have to do with (besides being followed by a camera all the time) laziness and rushing. They are always being rushed to go somewhere, so there is no time for them to dress themselves, and other times KON is too lazy to let them learn to do these things.
While I agree we don't see everything, between them having new episodes shown weekly, and the old episodes shown so much, and they do make changes in the some of the older episodes, I think that is enough to give us a pretty good idea at how things work in their household.
Jon has said himself, that Kate doesn't play with her kids, during the Queen Bee garage episode.
Another thing I've noticed is that in the beginning Jon didn't show his emotions, now that he does, he looks and sounds like more of an idiot. I've always said, you can't hide ugly forever, and KON is a perfect example of that. I've seen enough reality show reunions where people try to say it's the editing, and maybe it is a little bit, but I belive it's just more of their true colors and greed coming out as they are getting more comfortable that this gravy train is going to go on forever, and I really do think they believe there are more people out there that love them and support what they are doing than not, and always will. But if you notice, most of the "pro" KON sites only have a few comments on them, while the people that see what this is doing to the kids, far out weigh the "pro" sites. And it's not all snarky comments either, there are a lot of intelligent and reasonable concerns being brought up, while they might not all have to do with the exploitation, I'm sure the exploitation doesn't help to make it any better for the kids.
The main thing I've noticed is how materialistic KON are, things, money and looks are the most important things in their lives, and that's sad, the only thing they are teaching their kids are that people are disposable.

Anonymous said...

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/videos/Videopage.mspx?ID=BBD25F97-FCF2-4668-B529-2BF6B970BAEC&GridView=True&Category=&SubCategory=&Year=0

Long link, but if you click on the bottom picture, there are some soundbites of Jon talking about why the computer would be the best gift for the family, blogging (Huh?), keeping them closer..etc.

Anonymous said...

I just watched Jon's promo on Sharevmedia, before I saw the that they make money every time someone clicks on it....whoops!
Anyway, I thought he did a good job and was interesting to watch. He's a lot more personable than Kate. You don't get to see that very often with her butting in all the time. When she does her promos by herself, she is monotone and boring.

Anonymous said...

Sadly, that is very often not the case. School districts have bottom lines like any other business, and unless the child has severe problems, most school districts only provide services when the parents advocate for the child...

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Not true at all! There's an eligibility criteria that a child needs to meet to receive any spec ed services. A teacher or a parent typically refers a child for assessment and that starts a timeline that a district is mandated to meet.

Personally, I doubt any of the tups would meet the criteria at this point.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I have to strongly disagree with this statement. I have four children, the last two preemies, born at 30 and 31 weeks. They are now 16 and 14 yrs. They may have had preemie health issues , but were right on schedule with everything else...

What you're giving here is a simple and lazy excuse for poor parenting.


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Wow, judgmental much? Just because your children were not delayed does not give you the right to attach the "bad parent" label to parents whose premature children do experience delays. Your self-proclaimed great parenting aside, you are very ignorant. A quick perusal of the medical literature will teach you that developmental delays among premature infants are very common.

I have two friends who had extremely premature twins. In one case, the children caught up almost immediately and are developing at a normal pace. In the other, the kids are seriously delayed. I would never assign blame to the parents for the differences in development. For you to brag about your children and assume that others who weren't so fortunate are lazy, bad parents is obnoxious, to put it mildly.

Anonymous said...

Sadly, that is very often not the case. School districts have bottom lines like any other business, and unless the child has severe problems, most school districts only provide services when the parents advocate for the child...

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Not true at all! There's an eligibility criteria that a child needs to meet to receive any spec ed services. A teacher or a parent typically refers a child for assessment and that starts a timeline that a district is mandated to meet.

Personally, I doubt any of the tups would meet the criteria at this point.

11/30/2008 11:15 AM
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You make it sound as though it is easy to determine whether a child meets eligibilty criteria. As a teacher and as a parent of two children who have received services, I know that is not always the case. Very often, parents and districts disagree over whether a child meets the requirements. In those cases, the only way that child is getting services is if the parents continue to advocate for the child.

Also, keep in mind there are no timelines/set-in-stone critera for kids who receive building level services, which once again puts the burden on the parent to push for services.

Addison said...

While the tups do seem young for their age, I think the twins have the oposite problem: They seem to be growing up too fast. I know when I was eight years old, I was a lot more carefree and happy than they are. They have to put up with a lot of responsability being the 'tups older sisters and seem to be expected to be mother's helpers (are they seriously "playing Mommy/babysitting" in a couple episodes?). Both Mady and Cara seem intellegent and capable, but just the same, growing up to fast is almost never a good thing, IMO.

Anonymous said...

On the 4th of July episode, Kate asked the kids if they wanted more crabby and shrimpy. Maybe an ok way to ask 2 year olds but not 4 1/2 year olds.

Anonymous said...

I can't wait for the 15th anniversary show. The Tups will still be in their high chairs, wearing bibs & drinking from sippy cups AND still dressed in their cute little matchey matchey outfits. Cara and Mady will be at the door (leaving for college) singing the Sound of Music Farewell song "So Long, Farewell, Auf Weidersehen, Goodbye". (WooHoo, we're outa here!!). KON and the Tups will be waving bye-byes to the twins.

Anonymous said...

You are confusing "sippy" cups with the cups they use, which are the next step up ... the closed cups with a built in straw. Not unusual for a newly 4 year old to use.

The tups are 4 and 1/2 and are progressing as they should. I don't see any suppressing of their childhood

I'm an Early Childhood Educator, so, you know, I've got some training in this.

The "next step up" cups? We use those in the INFANT room. I watch children as young as 13 or 14 months old use those "step up" cups. I've even seen "infants" as young as 16 months use an ORDINARY CUP. No straw, no lid - A DRINKING CUP. Sure, the cups are small to fit their hands and yes, we only put a tiny amount of liquid in the cup at a time...but that's how they learn.

With the 4 year-old to 5 year-old crowd...there isn't a bib, highchair or sippy cup in SIGHT. And before you start defending KON with, "but there are SIX children and ONLY two adults!" let me stop you dead in your tracks. Guess what? We have a room of 20 kids and three adults to supervise them all. That works out to more than 6 children per adult. One adult sits at a table with 6 kids give or take. During the meal time the children 1) help to set the table 2) serve their own food 3) pour their own drinks 4) wipe up any spills they make ON THEIR OWN 5) clear away their own dishes 6) grab a small broom or dustpan to help sweep up any fallout.

How do they do it? We believe in them. We think and teach them that they are capable of taking care of themselves. If they make a mess, can't do something then we encourage them until they CAN do it and we help them to learn that when you make a mess it's your job to help clean it up. It's all steps on the road to INDEPENDENCE!

Can all of the children dress themselves without some help? Not all. But they are all given the chance to TRY from the time they're in the infant room. They try, and we teach them as we help them. "Starting" zippers, placing shoes in front of the proper feet etc...there is no baby time in a well run preschool. Children need to be TAUGHT, GUIDED and NURTURED and I just don't see that happening in the Gosselin household.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Gosselins are absolutely HORRIBLE parents for not doing their research on child development and how to best meet the needs of the individual child in a group. Sorry, "higher order" multiples are no different than other groups of children of the same age. Some are ahead in some areas, some are behind in others - happens among all children, even those who are developmentally delayed. Having a whole big ball o' kids does not absolve you of the responsibility to teach and guide and encourage children to tackle the world head-on. It doesn't mean you should allow them to be babies beyond the age where it's appropriate. They would be CAPABLE if they were allowed some trial and error.

As to the argument that they were premature and therefore not as "advanced" as other kids their age? Bunk. Totally bunk. In a well run school or pre-school, children who are developmentally delayed actually get more "work" done with them to help catch them up. This is when they should be encouraged to handle an inch or two of water in a cup at the dinner table. Honestly, it takes F-all work to clean up TWO INCHES OF LIQUID. Even if you multiply it by six.

About the naps - sure, a lot of kids that age need a nap or even just quiet time. For kids that age in daycare they are still given "quiet time" for about an hour. Do all the kids sleep? No. Must they all stay on their cots and stay quiet? Yes. Are they allowed a "quiet" (i.e. book) or soft toy to help keep them occupied if they can't sleep? Yes. Are they FORCED to stay quiet for hours at a time? GOD NO. That's just nonsense. All that time they're spending locked in their rooms is time that could be used for TEACHING AND LEARNING, not giving Kon a "break" from whatever it is they do for those kids.

With time and practice there is NO EARTHLY REASON why even ONE of those parents can't supervise organized activities. Even if they only last 10 minutes. In a childcare setting it's common for ONE teacher to "lead" a circle of 15-20 kids in reading, singing, dancing etc. activities. If Kon can't manage it with six kids they're either just lazy, or plain stupid. Seriously.

I'm going to shut up now because I could ramble about those two fools all day...

diane said...

It is insulting for anybody to accuse another mother of favoring her girls over her boys.

This is another assumption on this board that makes something out of nothing. Forget Joelgate. That was concocted by this board. Kate and Jon love all of their kids equally. (or as any parent does...equally and appreciate each of their uniqueness).


Since this has been addressed to me, I will respond.

None of this has been "concocted" on this board. Joelgate is the biggest example of poor treatment of the boys. However most recently, it can be noted the different reactions she had to Leah's progress swimming as opposed to Collin being so proud to show Mommy he could put his face in the water and all she could muster was "That's not far enough!" Or her reaction when Joel was the first to ride the bike without training wheels--"I didn't think you would do it!" (or something to that effect, instead of YAY GOOD JOB) All you have to do is watch the show to see that Kate favors the girls over the boys. She constantly refers to the boys as yucky and disgusting.

And I'm sorry, but any mother that loved ALL of her children equally would have gone on ALL of the children's individual special days. Kate did not go along with ANY of her boys on those days. You call that loving each child equally and not favoring the girls? I call it pathetic and sad. Imagine how the boys felt, knowing that Mommy AND Daddy went with the girls, but only Daddy went with them. My heart just goes out to Collin, Aaden and Joel. Kate has no idea the damage she is doing and the messages she is sending to them (inadvertently or not).

Anonymous said...

It's definately time for the high chairs to go if nothing else. I understand the logic behind them is probably so they won't get up during dinner, but you can't expect them to learn unless they try sitting in a normal seat for a change.

I don't see any problem with the sippy cups, however, they need to give normal cups a chance sometimes. I don't see why Kate cares if they spill anything; that's what their bibs are for! But seriosuly, what would be the issue with letting them eat without bibs in their play clothes. I understand them when they're in nice clothing, but at 4.5 one can easily eat free of a bib on a normal day. It would actually work if they gave up one, either the bibs or the sippy cups!

Anonymous said...

Also to add to that, I haven't noticed that much developmental progression in the two years that the show has been on. While they are pretty behind, I expect that from the tups being such preemies. But at the same time, I would expect to see a lot of growth between 2.5 and 4.5, and that I haven't seen. Between that time there should be such a big difference, especially with multiples. Sure, they have grown up, but there isn't the "WOW!" factor I assumed we'd be seeing by now when the show began. Normally they expect mutliples to be pretty much caught up by Kindergarten, that doesn't seem like it will happen. I hope school makes a big difference, perhaps they will see a speech therapist on certain days. If they don't, I think it's a good idea.

gwop2009 said...

http://www.cyh.com/HealthTopics/HealthTopicDetails.aspx?p=114&np=122&id=1870

Has a slew of information on child development. Of note:

speak clearly on the whole, but they may still not use some sounds correctly, eg say "th" for "s" or "w" for "r"

Plus there are many other items that I don't think we see on the show. IF this is supposed to be their real life, I'd say that the kids haven't demonstrated a lot of the developmental skills they should have-- are we just not seeing it or are they really behind?

Chris said...

Also to add to that, I haven't noticed that much developmental progression in the two years that the show has been on. While they are pretty behind, I expect that from the tups being such preemies. But at the same time, I would expect to see a lot of growth between 2.5 and 4.5, and that I haven't seen.

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I wonder how much individual development we'll see from the tups now that they are in pre-k. They are all too much at the same place for 4 year olds. Hopefully, seeing what normal is will allow them to "kick it up a notch" and that their parents (and Figure8) will allow it.

Anonymous said...

None of this has been "concocted" on this board. Joelgate is the biggest example of poor treatment of the boys.
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I guess the person questioning the differing treatment of boys vs girls also missed the cupcake gate AND the beach house episode--not letting the boys help with the cake, etc, etc.

Anonymous said...

If KON likes girls and boys equally, why have they made ignorant statements such as "3 boys is enough" when explaining why they wanted to adopt a Korean girl..when they already have 5 girls?!

Anonymous said...

On the topic of child development and the Gosselin tups. IMO, the lack of progression seen in the Gosselin tup's development is a direct result of J & K intentionally isolating them and their lack of socialization with same age peers. Period.

Anonymous said...

Enough with the bibs, sippy cips and high chairs! Please,moderators, can we change the subject? With all due reapect,you said that you will not publish things that are repeated ten times or more. Sorry, I know you ladies must be tired, but can't we find other topics? Thank you.

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Amen! There are countless comments already on this thread and many others about the bibs, sippies and high chairs. Some really seem to pushing it and acting as if there is no room for kids to be young ever and they should grow up by 2 years old. Let's be realistic. These subjects are the least of KON's bad parenting examples.

beachluvin said...

Anonymous said...
It's definately time for the high chairs to go if nothing else. I understand the logic behind them is probably so they won't get up during dinner, but you can't expect them to learn unless they try sitting in a normal seat for a change.
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I have a feeling they are not giving up those high chairs anytime soon, if they were, they would have been "sold" at the yard sale. You know the high chairs that they said they were going to donate to other needy families. Wait...... do you think maybe they actually donated them?
Nah, they were moved into the McMansion along with the other ugly furniture from their house.
One thing Kate is really gonna miss about kicking Beth to the curb is her sense of "style and taste", you can't buy that with all the exploitation money in the world!!!!!

Anonymous said...

As to the argument that they were premature and therefore not as "advanced" as other kids their age? Bunk. Totally bunk. In a well run school or pre-school, children who are developmentally delayed actually get more "work" done with them to help catch them up.

No, it's not "bunk." There is a wide body of research to support the idea that prematurity can cause delays. The friends that I have with severely premature twins who are delayed have every resource available to them. The children are Regional Center clients who receive physical therapy, occupational therapy, etc. in the home. And yet they are still delayed; that is reality for some children. To chalk it up as bad parenting in every case is, to use your term, "bunk."

Anonymous said...

You're really grabbing at straws here.

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I really think you all are just thinking of silly things to focus on.
It is insulting for anybody to accuse another mother of favoring her girls over her boys.

AND

This is another assumption on this board that makes something out of nothing. Forget Joelgate. That was concocted by this board. Kate and Jon love all of their kids equally. (or as any parent does...equally and appreciate each of their uniqueness).

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Leeza-

It's obvious you don't like the comments/ don't agree with the comments / refuse to see the truth , so why don't you look elsewhere to find another site that may satisfy your blogging needs?

Also, for the record, Joelgate was not CONCOCTED on this board. It was one of the worst episodes in terms of showing Kate's terrible parenting and horrific treatment of Joel, and it was televised for all of America to see.

bradleymom said...

Thank you to all who are discussing the relevant issue of early intervention and speech therapy. My son started speech therapy at two due to articulation issues, and the resulting frustration that came about from not being understood (can we all say "biter"!). I am in Maine, but it was covered by the state. It was not income or need based, they realized the long term (fiscally responsible) benefits of catching issues early and correcting them, rather than waiting until they were covered in school. It takes less time and resources to deal with something early. The speech therapists asked me to turn in my mileage for bringing my son there 3x a week. I responded that in no way would I do that. My child was getting these wonderful services, free of charge, there is no way I would have put in for mileage(I am not at all saying that some people wouldn't need to).

Coincidently my daughter (who has epilepsy) ended up needing their services after one of her seizures blew out a lot of her speech and muscle control (we all started frantically learning sign language, my fear was that she could wake up one morning and not be able to speak). She was going during the same time frame as my son, although hers was covered by insurance and us. At the rate of $150.00 an hour - it would have become difficult for us (even though my son's therapy was not contingent on income) to shell out that much money 5 days a week.

I love that posters are discussing something as relevant as these services. Not everyone knows that they are out there and can be accessed. On a positive note: my children are 10 and 12 and speak beautifully, and my daughter's seizures are under control with medication.

I am not suggesting that the tups need these services, but the dialogue regarding them could have a great impact for people who may not be aware of them. Thank you to all of the concerned parents - early intervention is such an important and underutilized tool - it is vital information for parents and a topic that is extremely worthwhile discussing. Oh (if I may be slightly catty for a moment)we never put in for mileage, and we make very generous donations every year - you know - the kind you actually make, rather than just talk about how we are going to pay it forward :)

AUNTY K. K. said...

WOW!
Not one person has mentioned what the 'dentists' say..usually sippy cups are discouraged as soon as the 'youngster" can hold a cup..to discourage dental misalignments...even though they have been using cups with 'straws' this should also be at a minimum..drinking from a cup encourages PROPER teeth alignment and facial development!!!

Then, with reguard to the 'tups' speech??...What about dressing the children? Jon and Kate STILL don't encourage the 'tups' to dress themselves!

So when are they going to ENCOURAGE the children to do anything for THEMSELVES!!!

They should be "GENTLY" correcting their speech patterns....But, we all know that's 'called' work..and we all know K/J don't WORK!

BUT will they do these things? (correct their speech, allow them to dress themselves, even let them shower/bath themselves/etc.), heck NO, K/J won't do this because it keeps the "tups" cute..and brings "laughter" into the conversation, (because there's nothing else to 'speak' about)..."Oh wasn't that just the cutest"..(ex. Alexis's Aldergater,,.there's many more but I wont go write them all)

I don't have a problem with the 'chairs'...they are like 'bar stools' which allow the children to sit closer to the table...we've even used them at my sisters home. They are great...otherwise your using 'phone books' and other items to 'raise' the child higher in 'certain'chairs.

Hope this makes sense as I'm very tired, but also upset about all of this!

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