Gosselins VS Other Reality Shows and Families

We've been getting a lot of comments about the Gosselins vs other reality families (Duggars, Roloffs, Hayes, Harris, etc.) plus one of our friends wrote the piece below. Please post all your future comparisons here. Those that wander into other posts are subject to be rejected now that they have a home. This is intended to be a blog about the Gosselins not every other reality family and we decided that we would open this one spot since there seems to be a desire for it. Also, we won't be responding to emails comparing the families. Thanks!

Here's the difference between the freebies the Roloffs get and the freebies the Gosselins get, and why I don't have a problem with the freebies the Roloffs get.

1. The Roloffs don't ask for it, hint for it, in any way whatsoever. The Gosselins practically beg.

2. Freebies haven't changed the Roloffs. They are still the same good people they were the first special ever made. The Gosselins have just gotten worse.

3. The Roloffs have always been so appreciative of anything they've ever been given.

4. The Roloffs do not live off freebies. Amy works, Matt works, the children work and pull their weight. The Gosselins live their lives around freebies. The Roloff's story about overcoming what is a real disability actually IS inspirational when they go on limited speaking engagements, and they had been doing speaking engagements about dwarfism even before this show began.

5. The Roloffs stay home most of the time like little old men and women. There have only been a few episodes about trips, and rarely in any kind of VIP excess. They have almost certainly turned down countless freebies. The Gosselins: "Who are we to say no?"

6. The Roloffs give back. Matt has his own charity. The Gosselins do not give back.

Contributed by Dew.

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Jennifer A. said...

The Roloffs don't go somewhere in every episode. They live their average every day life at home.

ashley said...

So true, great post!


However (Im rolling my eyes as I type this :P) dont forget the Gosselins had a garage sale and gave the proceeds to charity. How considerate of them, they sold stuff they got for free! (most likely)

What a joke Jon and Kate plus 8 is becoming, and I love the fact that they are sandwiched between two great shows, both of which make the Gosselins look even worse.

Anonymous said...

The Roloff's have friends and family in their lives. The Gosselins have paid help.

Suzanne said...

I started watching TLC because of the Roloffs. Now that this new season has begun, it's just become so much more obvious that Matt and Amy don't have their hands out-because they're worrying about the cost of adding to their deck and how expensive the home addition is.

Meanwhile, you see all the product placement, and promotional exposure in each and every J&K+8 and you KNOW they're probably approaching businesses to pitch the idea of free product for air time on the show.

Anonymous said...

I've thought often how hard it has to be for the Roloff parents. It is physically hard for them to do so much but it does not seem to limit them. I am sure Matt could be on disability if he wanted. But no he keeps on going at it. Jon and Kate should have so much gumption.

AliceAnonymous said...

I started watching TLC too because of the Roloffs. The difference between them and the Gosselins is like night and day. I really admire them. Amy and Matt may have their tiffs but they respect one another. They appear to have not let the celebrity status go to their head. The whole family is an inspiration to anyone whether they have physical challenges or not. Unlike the Gosselins there doesn't seem to be a pretentious bone in their bodies.

xsandlapper said...

Everything you said is so true Dew! I was a Roloff fan long before I ever watched J & K.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure Matt and Amy are getting their share of paid perks. They're just smart enough to not rub it in our faces.

Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, you see all the product placement, and promotional exposure in each and every J&K+8 and you KNOW they're probably approaching businesses to pitch the idea of free product for air time on the show.

I actually watched the Duggars the other day and they zoomed in on the kids playing with those new Clipo blocks by Playskool. First thing I thought (after seeing the product placement on the Gosselins) was that they probably got the toy for free and the cameramen were getting footage of it on purpose. It seems that a family that shops at thrift stores for their needs wouldn't be out buying the newest toy on the market which is why I was thinking it was more product placement.

Personally these reality tv shows create this kind of situation. The show creates a following, which then brings with it the desire of companies to get their products on the show for those followers to see. Before they know it, no matter how humble they started, getting free stuff starts to become a norm.

Anonymous said...

The other reality families have stayed REAL. I admire the Roloffs because they truely have challenges but stay real to their family. The Gosselins are riding the gravy train at the expense of their own children. TLC needs to wise up!

say_no_to_Kon said...

I like the Rolloff's because they show the good, bad and ugly. I think they sanatized Matt's trial a bit and I think Matt completely takes advantage of the show giving him coverage to do his little people stools, but what the hell? At least he's contributing something to society. He's also got his NFP that I think is fantastic. He gives back whereas the Gosselin's just take.

Anonymous said...

I actually watched the Duggars the other day and they zoomed in on the kids playing with those new Clipo blocks by Playskool. First thing I thought (after seeing the product placement on the Gosselins) was that they probably got the toy for free and the cameramen were getting footage of it on purpose. It seems that a family that shops at thrift stores for their needs wouldn't be out buying the newest toy on the market which is why I was thinking it was more product placement.
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Nah! They got that stuff at the Gosselin garage sale. :)

Ariana said...

Just remember this - product placement is a decision of the network. J&K get the freebies, but often the brand does have to pay for their brand name to actually be shown on an episode (it's the same idea as a commercial, but MUCH cheaper for the brand). TLC can choose to blur out brand names if there is no profit for the network (you may have noticed during some interviews that Jon has a piece of tape over the brand name on his shirt). From an advertising standpoint, giving J&K free stuff for product placement purposes is a great strategy - especially since the show is watched by so many (anti-fans, included).

Also, while I understand the point being made comparing the Roloff's travel's to that of J&K, it has been mentioned on LPBW that it is hard for them to travel and they often choose not to.

Just some food for thought.

Anonymous said...

Roloff's---give, give, give.
Goseelins--take, take, take.

Anonymous said...

How are you getting this information? Is it based on the half an hour you see every week or have you found this out elsewhere? The Roloffs have certainly taken advantage of freebies. The show allowed them to put such a huge addition on their house (I know this for a fact because I have a friend who personally knows the Roloffs). The Roloff family has also become less humble over the years, as evidenced by their vacations and extravagant re-modeling (although still not as extreme as J&K). However, it's hard for anyone to not change after being in the spotlight and it's certainly easier to give back when your children are past the point where they need 24 hr supervision. Lets face it. All of these reality shows are essentially the same. If we're going to condemn one, we should condemn them all.

down with the gosselins! said...

I haven't really seen any product placement while watching LPBW. Maybe the Mule they bought to replace the old one? They did go on that vacation where they stayed on the boat, but they did not act like prima donnas. They work hard around the farm and don't hint at things they'd like to have.

The Duggars have had a couple of product placements in their show. Michelle and one of the girls were cleaning the kitchen cabinets with Pledge and it was very prominently displayed. Also, Jim Bob and two of the boys cleaned the bathroom with Scrubbing Bubbles and afterward Jim Bob touted how wonderful it was because it wasn't harsh on the bath tub. Those blocks were also shown for a minute or two.

I guess it doesn't bother me so much with the Duggars or Roloffs because the Gosselins are just so inconsistant and greedy. The Roloffs and Duggars don't constantly complain about how hard their life is. And I am pretty sure the Duggars will still shop at the thrift stores and not brag about their extravagant lifestyles.

Anonymous said...

Matt Roloff works numerous jobs and is disabled.

Jon Gosselin is an able bodied man and works...oh wait...he doesn't.
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Michelle Duggar is constantly pregnant, yet never sits.

Kate Gosselin hasn't been pregnant in over 4 years, yet her behind is glued to the chair.

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Roloffs: Family, God, Freebies

Duggars: God, Family, Freebies

Gosselins: Freebies, Family, God

Anonymous said...

It was stated concerning reality shows: "if we are going to condemn one we should condemn them all".

I don't agree. Yes, they all have product placements and the families are getting trips and freebies but there is still a difference in the reality shows and that is the families they are about.

I watch the Roloffs and have seen some of the Duggars. I no longer watch J&K. I was trying to figure out why the other shows don't upset me like J&K does. I believe it all comes down to the kind of people they are and how they treat others. Also, the Roloffs and the Duggars are both generating their own income. They work for a living. They don't act like they are above everyone else and don't act like they deserve to be treated like celebrities. They appreciate what they have. One of the biggest differences is that the Duggars and Roloffs are always nice to people they meet. When the Duggars went to New York they stopped and talked to people on the street who wanted to talk to them. The Roloffs are also friendly to the public and treat everyone with respect.

When I see these families getting trips and freebies it never bothers me. I think the fact that they have respect for others, are not rude to others and don't act like they are above everyone else is why I enjoy watching these families.

Anonymous said...

It is the sense of entitlement about the Gosselins that leave me feeling that they are so different from the other shows.And really from the rest of America especially now in these economic times. I mean really, everyone is going out of their way to save money and they are flying across the country with their 8 kids to Hawaii.Let's face it they aren't talented actors or actresses(they can't really even act appreciative or humble about anything)so why should they be able to get these things at their beckon call? I hope that the other families are more grounded in reality than this family is.

Crazy said...

It's funny because my brother and I were just discussing this the other day. we saw the episode where the Gosselin's were in San Diego and I cheked the prices on the resort that they stayed at - crazyness! I was in SD last month and didn't stay in a place even close to that type of luxury....not to mention of course they get the place for free if they make a few name drops here and there.

There was a period of time in which the Roloff's were getting out of hand with trips, but somehow they came back to reality and their stories are much more believable. The Gosselin's are just plain greedy and are too obsessed with their looks and TV-type personalities!

Anonymous said...

Never minding the freebies, J&K's show is completely empty in comparison to the Duggars' and the Roloffs'. Matt and Amy work, their kids have lots of friends, and there is plenty of these moments included in the show. Same goes for the Duggars, they have their properties that bring in enough money and they have friends, whom we've seen. The Gosselins have none of that anymore, so besides the few milestone moments the kids experience, there is nothing to show. No family get-togethers, no birthday parties with relatives and neighborhood friends, no episodes involving J&K's careers, etc. This show would be completely empty without all the vacation episodes, scripted wedding vows and whatever else Figure 8 can pull from their a$$es. There is no entertainment value in this show anymore, so I stopped watching over two months ago. It's nothing but a photogenic family of 10 now...a very lonely family that is.

Anonymous said...

"There was a period of time in which the Roloff's were getting out of hand with trips, but somehow they came back to reality and their stories are much more believable."

I agree with this statement. This past summer, the Roloff's family friend, Mike, passed away very suddenly. One might speculate that this brought a sense of reality into their lives that they need to cherish every moment with their family and maybe not take so many trips away from one another.

I wouldn't wish anything like this upon anyone, including the Gosselins. But it makes you wonder how J+K might react if a close family member or friend were to pass away and if they would regret not spending any time recently with them.
Just a thought.

JenTru said...

Here was something that happened on LPBW that would NEVER happen on JK+8: While the Roloff parents were away, the kids went to a local museum. Not only did they stand in line and PAY FOR THEIR ADMISSION, there were actually other people in the museum! Can you imagine not having a whole museum to yourself? Poor Roloff's (insert sarcasm here). Also, a few epi's back, the Roloff kids were grocery shopping and ran short on money. They actually put something back, and the youngest kid dug into his piggy bank money to pay the balance. I'd like to see that happen with the greedy Gosselins. I seem to remember a recently forgotten wallet when Jon needed to get "authentic" Hawaiian shirts for the boys...

Now maybe TLC gave the Roloff kids some cash to pay for the museum, but I kind of doubt it. Maybe Matt Roloff is too smart to make his kids look like freeloaders on tv even if they are. But the Roloff's work. They work hard. They give. They care. KON sits on it's fat, lazy butt and commands people to bring more, more, more freebies, and will step on anyone they have to step on to get there.

If the kids are allowed to watch LPBW let's hope they pick up on some of their values. Even if they are a bit flawed they are a hell of a lot better than the ones being demonstrated in their own home.

As a side note, I was disappointed to see some very cheesy product placement on the Duggar's show last night. They had this little segment where they pretended to be cleaning, and Michelle and two of the older girls all had identical bottles of Pledge cleaner, always with the label facing the camera, "cleaning" stuff that was already clean. Several close-ups on the kids playing with the new Playskool Clipo blocks as well. But still, if they get some extra money for it, great, they have worked hard in their lives.

JenTru said...

Oh, and I can't wait for next week when KON are followed by Twins, Twins and Sextuplets, the Hayes' families new show. Two more kids and no army of "helpers". How ever do they do it?

Anonymous said...

The roloffs take trips in the summer because their kids go to school during the year. We have not seen episodes from summer 2008, so right now we do not really know how many different places they went this summer.

SmartyQ said...

I never watched the Duggars until recently. It was the episode in which Jim Bob went sky diving after goaded by Amy. I find the Duggars' take on religion somewhat, well, different, but they don't seem to exclude people who don't practice their kind of faith. Grandpa Duggar is always welcome as is Amy.

The last episode—in which Jim Bob taught Amy and Jinger to use a stick shift was hilarious. Apparently both Michelle and Jim Bob have taught all of their children (of the appropriate age) to drive. Can you imagine either Kon having the patience to do such a thing?

Michelle seems a kind and loving mother. Her affection toward her children is very natural—a head caressed as a child passes by, a little hug just because. Kate, unless she's loving up Hannah in, at times, an almost pathological manner, never seems to be affectionately spontaneous with the rest of her children.

I'm impressed with how well Jim Bob and Michelle know each of their 17 children. Each of those children is an individual to them, and their understanding of each child is heartwarming. When you really get down to it, Kon's knowledge of their children is, on a good day, superficial, which they express in trite phrases.

Dew said...

"Also, while I understand the point being made comparing the Roloff's travel's to that of J&K, it has been mentioned on LPBW that it is hard for them to travel and they often choose not to. Just some food for thought."

And it's not hard for the Gosselins to travel with eight small children? Of course it is, they just can't bring themselves to turn down things like free trips to Florida, Hawaii, and California. The Roloffs clearly can and have, and good for them. You don't HAVE to go to Hawaii when it's offered, you don't HAVE to go skiing when it's offered. Contrary to what Kate thinks, she can say NO. You can stay at home and just enjoy life and watch your kids enjoy life and friends and just hanging around. The Roloffs get what life and family is really all about.

If I recall correctly, the Roloffs have only been on two major vacations in the four plus years they have been filming. One was a Grand Canyon trip in their motor home, which quite honestly is a pretty common and normal no frills family trip, and the other was a trip to some kind of tropics, maybe Bahamas. Besides that, a few trips here and there for speaking engagements, usually without the kids (a close long time family friend stays with them, not a stranger hired by production posing as a nanny), with nothing really extravagant, and that's it.

The Roloffs have clearly proven that 99 percent of the time they can handle the cameras and the dangers they pose. The Gosselins have proven 99 percent of the time they cannot do the same. Fortunatly the Roloff children have been blessed with good parents who are keeping their show and any greed in check. But just because one family knows how to do it right does not mean that future reality families will. Along come the Gosselins, and the reason why we need to better protect reality children when their parents screw it all up in the name of greed.

Another difference, the Roloffs take long breaks between filming seasons where the cameras disappear. They do not have new episodes every week for six months on end as the Gosselins have. Their episode churn out is much lower than the Gosselins. Their kids are allowed to have a life some of the year without the cameras.

By the way, if TLC were just paying for the Roloff house additions cash on the barrell, why is it taking half a year to build? Why not just take the money, build, and be done with it? Are you saying the entire discussion about money was a farce and that they are purposely delaying it and making the kids live in the living room half a year just to convince us they're having trouble paying for it all? I think the house may very well be funded with money the Roloffs made from the show, but it appears to be well in their hands and control. Paying for something with money you earned isn't quite the same as just taking an under the table freebie.

Rosey in Washington said...

I have never really watched Little People, Big World but I have watched it a few times. I also really enjoy watching the Duggars because they are so nice and humble and family-oriented...may some say they are too extreme but I enjoy the wholesomeness of the show.

Two points I would like to make:

1- I think that its really easy to see the difference between the Gosselins vs. the Roloffs and the Duggars due to the fact that the Gosselins are SO extreme with their greediness and the extreme product-placement they allow in their show. Anyone is very conservative compared to the Gosselins, even if they are receiving product-placement freebies in their shows as well.

2- One particular difference between the Gosselins and the Duggars are in the subject of their family pictures. While the Duggars were in New York they were very friendly and freely handed out FREE family pictures to anyone who was interested in their family. At the same time the Gosselins CHARGE $20 for an autographed picture of their family. I find this to be a defining difference in the families. It shows how they see the public. To the Duggars, the public are people just like them, while the Gosselins obviously view the public as "below them" and only see the public as another way to make money.

PS. Jon and Kate were charging $20 for these family pictures I was talking about at CHURCHS where the "fans" had already paid a ticket price to get in, along with probably donating to the "love offering" that was passed around. How pathetic.

nancie barnett said...

Thanks for a great post! I love LPBW and i have known these differences for awhile. the contrast is striking between the 2 shows and also between Jon and kate and the Duggars.
Jon and kate do not seem to really grateful and it is pathological to not have their own jobs and instead live off their kids.

Nancie

Anonymous said...

The Roloff children are old enough to make decisions about their roles in the show.

That's the number one "difference" to me, and it's what makes the show acceptable.

Anonymous said...

I see no comparison between the Gosselins and the Roloffs. I have been a huge fan of the Roloffs for many years. I read Matt's book several years ago and was inspired by how he and Amy have over come so many obstacles. The Roloffs are two parents with disabilities who have managed to raise four wonderful children (one with a disability) despite everything. These children are well adjusted and have the support of many family and friends. If TLC or whoever wants to give the Roloffs some freebies. I feel they are well deserving. They have overcome more obstacles then I will probably ever have to deal with and they are hardworking people. The Gosselins haven't overcome any obstacle other then birthing eight children. I realize at the time of Kate's pregnancy it was very life threatening and difficult, but that was almost five years ago and they now have eight healthy children. They need to be done with the freebies and start earning a living that is not off the backs of their children. These kids have no family and no friends except the camera crew.
Also, I truly believe that if the Roloff children didn't want to be in the public eye that wouldn't be. They seem to be truly enjoying the experience and seem to be filmed at their own discretion.

Anonymous said...

I believe the premise of "Little People Big World" is a good and noble cause. The Roloffs wanted to send a message to the world that little people are just like everyone else. I believe they have accomplished that and more.

OhioMom said...

Michelle Duggar talks to her children in a calm voice--- and yet they all behave

Kate Gosslen scream like a banche-----------children are out of control

berksmom said...

Roloffs: Family, God, Freebies

Duggars: God, Family, Freebies

Gosselins: Freebies, Family, God


This sums it up perfectly for me. Great post!

Anonymous said...

Personally, I have found watching LPBW informative and inspiring. I think that I am more enightened as a result. They are absolutely role models as to making lemonade when life deals you lemons. At first, I found the Gosselins inspiring too. However, as time has gone on the inspiration is gone and I find myself feeling more contempt than anything. Nothing against the children; they are beautiful but I feel for them and their future. The Duggars too inspired admiration at first although the size of their family is certainly their choice. However, I am disappointed to hear about their product endorsements recently. That I wouldn't have expected.

alana said...

anonymous 8:38 said:
"However, it's hard not to change after being in the spotlight and it's certainly easier to give back when your children are past the point where they need 24 hr. supervision."

I disagree. I think Jon and Kate are the same people they always were; however, like everything else about them, there's MORE of it.
Jon was the spoiled lazy son of a dentist. Rather than attend college, he roamed around Europe on his father's dime and was "doin' nuthin'" when he met Kate.
Kate had "wanted children from a very young age." She met Jon and, determined not to miss an opportunity, married him five months later and successfully beat infertility five months after that. Kate's a person who wants what she wants when she wants it. And then she wants more.

Is it easier to give back when your children are older? How old?
Amy Roloff has been teaching and coaching sports since her youngest child was five.
Jon and Kate have every kind of help possible, yet between the two of them haven't been able to manage another "special day" for each child in eighteen months.
Kate seems to have given up doing any mothering since she supervised potty-training the last sextuplet.

Granny said...

I wanted to share one more comparison between the Gosselins and the Roloffs that I've noticed.
The Roloff family when approached by people do not throw their hands up in faces and dismiss people away. They have kept their heads about them concerning their fame and don't act like they are entitled or better than anyone else. The Roloffs are a giving, caring family with each other and that is reflected out to others. I also see that when Matt and Amy have tiffs over things, they resolve it through their understanding of one another.

Karen said...

It was the Hawaii trip that made me think of comparing the Roloff's to the Gosselns. I was thinking that the KON Suite looked like the one the Roloffs had when they went to Hawaii and how they went bananas about how nice it was! The Gosselins seemed so unimpressed that it struck me odd.

nancy019 said...

You see the Roloffs' house and you see the kids friends over, the family dinners with grandma and grandpa, Matt and Amy going to work, the kids pitching in, it is realistic. What do you see with KON? No friends of the family, no family dinners, no parents going to work to support 8 kids, 8 children who are not so cute anymore, 8 children who have no manners. And I wonder who is the "real" family? Cannot watch the KON farce anymore, it literally makes me ill.

Anonymous said...

The Roloffs are a REAL family. What you see is what you get. The house is often messy, obviously Matt and Amy haven't forced TLC to hire housekeepers as Kon has. Amy is almost always in her kitchen cooking, I don't think they use a chef service.

The other contrast is when the LPBW show started, Matt and Amy already owned the farm and the businesses associated with it. They accomplished all this on their own while both having a disability. Jon and Kate are both able bodied, yet they seem to be afflicted with the disease "Idon't wanttowork-itis." The only thing they have accomplished is to banish every friend and relative from their lives and squeeze TLC for every perk & dime they can get from them.

If the LPBW show were cancelled tommorrow, Amy and Matt would simply continue on as they did before the show started. If J&K+8 were cancelled tomorrow, Jon and Kate would be financially devastated. After all... "Are life is the show and the show is are life." Before their show started they were living on donations, freebies, state assistance and handouts. What will they do to support themselves when America has finally had enough of them?

Anonymous said...

Here are the details for the 12/1 show for those that haven't seen it yet:

"Good Morning Gosselins:
The whole family heads to New York City for a press tour to promote Jon and Kate's book, "Multiple Blessings."

Ilovemykids said...

But it makes you wonder how J+K might react if a close family member or friend were to pass away and if they would regret not spending any time recently with them.

Dare I say that Jon and Kate would not blink an eye - unless there were some monetary value in it for them.

Anonymous said...

I have been reading this blog for a while and felt it was time to add something.

One of the biggest difference you have not mentioned is that the Gosselin tups have spent practically their whole life in front of the camera. I think most child development experts will agree that 0-5 is one of the most critical stages in any one's life. So much is developing in that stage. No one will ever know what those kids would have been like without the cameras around. As others have mentioned this is uncharted territory. As far as I know there has never been any kids to be filmed in their own houses to such an extent at such a young age. The Gosselins tups (twins too) are being used as guinea pigs, and that to me is the saddest thing of all.

On another note if you watch Then Came Six you can see a family really living and dealing with sextuplets. Although they had the house given by Extreme Makeover, that family struggles in so many ways. One child is autistic, others are still lagging behind other kids, the mom is in school full time while the dad works as a teacher. They admit to getting handouts from friends and their church but they express such gratitude. Check out their vacation episode if you want to get a good glimpse of the difference between them and the Gosselins.

Lastly, sorry for being so long, I was randomly watching True Life, I'm a single parent. They had this guy who was 25 and raising 6 kids on his own including two sets of multiples! He has triplet 3 years olds and twin 5 year olds, in addition to custody of his ex wife's 10 year old. His wife had a breakdown and left him with all those kids! Now that's someone struggling with 2 sets of multiples.

Anonymous said...

Take away all the trips to amusement parks, resort vacations, special day outtings, episodes featuring prep for photo shoots, talk show appearances, vanity procedures and the like, that are consistently featured episode after episode, what else have viewers been prevy to with respect to the challanges of 'every day life' for the J & K Gosselin family compared to that of the Duggar and Rolloff families; or any other reality show family in general.

Anonymous said...

I think that any time parents sign on the dotted line and put their minor children in front of national TV cameras, their (the parents') ethics are questionable. Jon and Kate are definitely obnoxious and very un-likable compared to the Roloffs or the Duggars, nonetheless the crux of the issue here is that with all these family-reality shows, decisions are being made on behalf of minor children that make them identifiable quasi-celebrities, and that will irreversibly impact the rest of their lives.

HW said...

I'm sure it is (legitimately) hard for the Rolffs to travel.
However, to hear Jon and Kate talk, it's so very difficult for them too. They make lots of comments about how tired they are of airplane bathrooms, how hard it is to get up so early to leave, how complex it is to pack for eight children.
Here's a tip to Jon and Kate, if it's so hard for you - stop going.

qtrfan said...

But it makes you wonder how J+K might react if a close family member or friend were to pass away and if they would regret not spending any time recently with them.


Unfortunately, they have no family or friends left.

Anonymous said...

"this is our life"

The last couple of days I've been thinking -- Do Kon have family votes for this? Are they telling the kids "do you want the cameras to go?" In a tot's head, that's the good friends they have known since they were babies.. say bye, FOREVER???

It wouldn't surprise me one bit, if J&K are telling the kids this, to keep the show going. What emotional torture. If you don't act nice, they will all go away FOREVER!

sigh.

Anonymous said...

berksmom said...
Roloffs: Family, God, Freebies

Duggars: God, Family, Freebies

Gosselins: Freebies, Family, God


Roloffs: Family (immediate and extended), God Freebies

Duggers: God, Family (immediate and extended), God

Gosselins: Freebies, Family (Immediate only), God

Anonymous said...

Here's a tip to Jon and Kate, if it's so hard for you - stop going.



Amen!

damagedgoods said...

I agree with pretty much everything written here. I would also like to point out:

On J & K, those two talk to the camera all the time - and I'm not talking about the interviews.
On LPBW, aside from the interviews, how often do we see any of them talk to the camera? I am not saying they haven't, but I can't think of any occasion off the top of my head.

Point being, the Roloffs are living their life and it is taped. The Gosselins involve the camera constantly in their episodes. They are always remarking about what's going on to the camera, instead of just living it.

This has bugged me for a while. Has anyone else noticed?

Anonymous said...

I agree wholeheartedly with Anon 6:16 as to potential impacts upon the children. Since nobody knows for sure (although the surviving Dionne quintuplets have expressed their point of view), it is deemed to be acceptable to use them for entertainment purposes. Pretty shallow to think that the public's entertainment is valid reason for their childhood to be invaded. We have seen it over and over; Jon and Kate don't care how they are feeling, the show must go on!

Anonymous said...

This is really a great summary of the striking differences. The Roloffs don't ask for pity about their physical problems. They are self starters and self helpers.I think that they are really grounded in reality by the way they are so involved with their family, friends and neighbors. They are REAL, not a SHAM ,as the Greedy ones.
Another thing is that Amy, even with some limitations, will try any challenge such as snorkeling, for example. Kate can't really do ANYTHING but sit in spas and mooch money!

reflections said...

The Roloffs are very real, self-made, hard-working people. Their children are extremely well-adjusted, they made the choice as a family to do the series and are old enough to know what it means. They are such genuine souls. I adore them.

I'm sure their remodel is partially funded by the show, but that isn't why they did the show. Not every episode is a trip or free outing, it is real life. That is the spirit these shows should be shot in. Not these diabolical "LOOK what we get, because we are SO SPEEEEECIAL!"
oh, and let us sit on a couch and tell you what else we like, surely someone will give it if we mention it.
It will appear!

and Amy gets pissy with Matt, but she is never outright disrespectful.

They are just a world apart. It shows.

Your heart shows on these shows.

Anonymous said...

Well put. Matt and Amy are really inspiring and yet they are just so every person and unpretentious. Can you imagine them at a local parade yelling "Make way. It's just us" like Kon? Please. Notice how many friends Matt and Amy have.

Anonymous said...

"But it makes you wonder how J+K might react if a close family member or friend were to pass away and if they would regret not spending any time recently with them. "

The first thing out of their mouths would probably be "What did he/she leave us?" and if they did leave them something, it would be "This isn't new!! And it doesn't match anything we have." or if it were money it would be "That's all they left us?"

Linda said...

Karen said...

It was the Hawaii trip that made me think of comparing the Roloff's to the Gosselns. I was thinking that the KON Suite looked like the one the Roloffs had when they went to Hawaii and how they went bananas about how nice it was! The Gosselins seemed so unimpressed that it struck me odd.


You are so right Karen! I remember seeing the Roloff's in Hawaii and they were go gracious. Amy found it hard to relax and have people wait on her. I remember when they had breakfast sent up she was pouring coffee for everyone! Kate on ther other hand, doesn't even make eye contact with those lucky enough to serve her.

Anonymous said...

One of the biggest differences I have noticed with all of the families on TLC is that the Duggars and Roloffs seem to genuinely love and care for their children. I have never heard them 'put down' a child. They will admit that their kids have issues that need to be addressed occassionally, but they do not call them names or act 'ugly' towards them at all. As Amy Roloff says, they have challenges, heck who doesn't in some way or other, but they seem like a family unit. I don't get that 'pimped out' feeling from either of them. All of the kids seem well adjusted and yes, normal.

Anonymous said...

I think a huge part of these shows is the product placement. Afterall, TLC wants to make money. The families are not going to donate their time. So what if they benefit some. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with the greed and hatefulness that has become the norm for the Gosslins. If the Roloffs and Duggars become like them, I will quit watching them too. Somehow I doubt they will, it doesn't seem to be in their nature. Also, I think if they see this is harming their children, they will pull the plug and go back to life as they had known it.

Kittie said...

All of these reality shows are essentially the same. If we're going to condemn one, we should condemn them all.
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I agree with this statement. I thought the point of this blog was to stop the exploitation of the children, not how many freebies they get. The freebies mean nothing to me. If anything im glad they do get them while they can because everyone knows they will not last forever. All the shows that popped up after J&K were modeled after that show. 17 Kids and Counting, Then Came Six, and most recently Twins,Twins and Sextuplets. They are all doing the same thing. Exploiting their kids for a check from TLC. JMHO

Hambone said...

You see more episodes of the Duggars and Roloffs at home because they are genuinly interesting and it is very simple to put together a show based on something going on that day or week.

On the other hand, Figure 8 has realized that the Gosselins are not interesting at all simply stuck at home, and/or are seeing things they know would be ratings killers, so they opt to get the family out of the house and into these elaborate trips and getaways. It takes the focus off the people and puts it on the location. TLC could have had just as good a Hawaii episode if they used a few bricks to pose as guests.

Anonymous said...

J&K refer to their family as a 'job'. And that is exactly the way it comes across. But I wonder if they are socking away some money for their 'employees'.

Anonymous said...

The point of this blog has never been solely to discuss the exploitation of children. Many people have made that assumption, but it was incorrect. The greed of the Gosselins has always been of interest here.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't Matt Roloff busted for DUI during his "reality tv stint"?

Anonymous said...

Who do you really think paid to redo, and redo again the Roloff house? All while it was being filmed by TLC?

Anonymous said...

One question I do have is why TLC continues to bring in shows that do nothing but exploite their kids. For a while there I thought we would be able to get this show off the air but then they bring in 3 diffrent families that are doing the same thing. KON were very diffrent in the beginning now look at them. Makes me wonder if these other families are going to go down the same road.

Anonymous said...

I have had the pleasure and displeasure of meeting both Amy and Kate along with other stars and celebrities. Amy is as sweet as can be. She's polite, kind, and gracious. Kate is a bitch and about the worst one I've ever had the bad luck to get stuck with. If Kate ever comes back to where I work, I'm calling in sick. She thinks she's the hottest, best, top of the world thing ever. She's wrong. Her kids acted like wild things and she smiled at them as if they were doing absolutely nothing wrong. It was left to the nanny to do all the work and handling of them. Jon was tolerable when Kate was out of the room, but he's no prize either. He would occasionaly tell Maddy to calm down or pick up one of the kids but he still left them to the nanny almost completely.

Anonymous said...

The duggar mom doesn't watch all of children. She pawns them off on buddys. She has built in FREE child labor.

violet said...

The Roloffs show revolves around their home, the farm, the kid's school, etc... Their lives are enriched by Matt's parents, LP friends from all over the US, the abundance of teen friends, and farm help. That family thrives in their neighborhood. Jon and Kate have only hired help and have to leave town to make their show interesting. Gone are the days of Beth, Jody, and the nanas that made the dynamics interesting. You are not drawn to that home anymore, so now they have to hit the road!
I would love to hang with Amy and have a cup of coffee on her porch, would any of you?

Anonymous said...

The Roloffs are great. They work hard. The only complaint i have is why is their house so cluttered? I mean there's stuff tossed all over their house. Even the Duggars house is clean and look how large that family is! I think the Roloff kids ought to be doing some household chores and clean up instead of standing around half the time, eating,looking bored or out playing. Matt and Amy are busy. I just cant see having such a nice house that is that trashed.

Anonymous said...

I have had the pleasure and displeasure of meeting both Amy and Kate along with other stars and celebrities. Amy is as sweet as can be. She's polite, kind, and gracious. Kate is a bitch and about the worst one I've ever had the bad luck to get stuck with. If Kate ever comes back to where I work, I'm calling in sick. She thinks she's the hottest, best, top of the world thing ever. She's wrong. Her kids acted like wild things and she smiled at them as if they were doing absolutely nothing wrong. It was left to the nanny to do all the work and handling of them. Jon was tolerable when Kate was out of the room, but he's no prize either. He would occasionaly tell Maddy to calm down or pick up one of the kids but he still left them to the nanny almost completely.
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May I ask what company you work for? I dont mind what state or anything because its not relevant seeing in how KON lives in PA and Roloffs live in Oregon. Just wondering...

firemanwife said...

After the dissappoinment of J&K, ANTM, the bachelor and some other reality shows, I have stopped watching reality tv altogether. I watched just a few episodes of LPBW and a few of the DUggars and thought they were ok, but not enough to stay interested anymore. Reality tv is barely reality, anymore. I used to be an avid reader and have decided to take up that hobby again, in place of watching reality tv. I agree from what little I have seen the Roloffs are inspirational for what they have been thru, it must be hard to live life with their condition. J&K, although I do not mind them becoming well to do from the show, it was when they started to show off that lifestyle on tv and tried to still act like they were a normal family that bothered me. From what I have read in other posts on other sites, they are not very nice in real life, that was a dealbreaker for me. If it wasn't for their fans, they would not be where they are at today. So many fans still try to justify J&K, but I know deep down there is nagging feeling they are feeling about if they really like them or not, they act "happy" for all the family is getting to do and get. I had those feelings and I feel free from the J&K obsession and nagging feelings now that I have opened my eyes to them. It will take time for others. Also as much as I like the Gosselin kids, I have a feeling this show is going to ruin some of the kids lives in the future, just look at past child actors stories. The Roloff kids seem more grounded and real. JMHO

kristin said...

I remember watching a LPBW episode where it was the end of pumpkin season at the farm. Matt gathered all of the 30-40 volunteers and his family together and publicly thanked them for all their hard work and told them how much he appreciated them. We've never seen the Gosselins publicly appreciate anything or anyone.

I think another important difference is in the way the kids are filmed. We've never seen any of the Roloff kids getting out of the bathtub, on the toliet, or any other private moments because they are older. Showing a 10 year old on the toilet would never be acceptable, but showing a 2 or 3 year old is. How is that right? No child should be subjected to that, and if anything, a 2 year old that can't speak for herself should have even more protection than the 10 year old that can. I think that just highlights the fact that J&K don't have much respect for their children where the show is concerned.

ashley said...

anon 8:50

I agree that its messy and the children should help out but if all of a sudden their house was clean and organized people would say that they have a maid just like the Gosselins, and then they would be in the same boat as the Gosselins. Also I think Matt and Amy are honestly messy people and it wouldnt matter if they were on TV or not.

Anonymous said...

The Roloffs are great. They work hard. The only complaint i have is why is their house so cluttered? I mean there's stuff tossed all over their house. Even the Duggars house is clean and look how large that family is! I think the Roloff kids ought to be doing some household chores and clean up instead of standing around half the time, eating,looking bored or out playing. Matt and Amy are busy. I just cant see having such a nice house that is that trashed.
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I thought the same thing last week when Zach was in the kitchen looking through baskets of laundry that were apparently there for weeks. "Look I found my favortie shorts from summer!! JMO but I could never live in a house that dirty.

Anonymous said...

I work in the "industry" (TV) and that's about as much as I can say.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure where to put this comment as it really doesn't fit in with this category. But I know where I live if children are not in school x amount of days out of the school year the state prosecutes the parent for truancy and may assign cases to social workers for follow up. How are they doing all this traveling and still enabling their kids to be in school the amount of days they need to be? Is there special exemptions when the children also have jobs?

tatertotnut said...

Product placement with Rolloffs:

*swimming pool contractors
* home remodel contractors (they had signs up on his deck--some were blurred, others not)
* mules
*food in kitchen (most notibly Starkist tuna, Coco Puffs, Minute Maid, Mountain Dew)

Matt has even mentioned other companies that have donated items to constructing things on the show.

kathy said...

I love the Roloff's...I refuse to watch JK+8.

Biggest difference for me is that Matt and Amy both work, and both work hard - despite their disabilities. The kids all work on the farm as well. They give back.

Matt risks his life to help children in a war-torn country, he works hard on his stool business, works hard on the farm/pumpkin season. Amy does her inspirational speaking, she is heavily involved in the soccer league, she is a great mom devoted to her children, she teaches little children.

The kids help on the farm and are genuinely well-behaved (yes the boys do get into some trouble but that is normal). The kids all help their parents perform tasks that they cannot.

Not to mention they do not go around asking for college funds for their kids, love offerings and I do not believe that they sell pictures of their kids for 20 bucks a pop.

Oh and most of the freebies benefit all the family, such as a trip with family fun/bonding time. I have never seen Matt and Amy be selfish, like getting their teeth whitened.

I would also put money on it that Amy would never banish a child to the laundry room floor if that child was sick...

Laura Linger said...

The other night, I couldn't sleep. I watched an episode of LPBW that was on late at night, my first ever.

It was the episode where the one son makes a Civil War movie for extra credit at school. He involves all of his friends and has a really fun time doing it.

When the busy actors and filmmakers take a break, they head into the Roloff kitchen, where the mother has an assembly line of sandwiches she is making for them. Everyone then sits around the homey kitchen and eats and drinks canned soda and relaxes. It was a lovely scene.

The film the son made was a big hit, both with his fellow students and his teacher. And I was struck by how much I enjoyed those 30 minutes of television. No freebies, goodies, handouts or meltdowns. Just a normal family doing normal things. It was really a lovely show.

Anonymous said...

The differences between the shows are very clear to me:

1) THE ROLOFF AND DUGGAR CHILDREN ARE ALLOWED TO BE CHILDREN.

They aren't perfect, but they are allowed to play.

2) THE ROLOFFS AND DUGGARS ARE NOT SMUG.

The Roloffs and Duggars do not expect special treatment, even when they receive special attention. If the Duggar children each received a gift bag at a resort, you can bet the Duggars would be grateful.

3) THE DUGGARS AND ROLOFFS DO NOT LIVE OFF THEIR CHILDREN.

The Roloffs and Duggars are doing reality shows, not documentaries. There are product placements and freebies and compensation. It doesn't bother me, because the kids seem safe and normal.

The Duggars and Roloffs don't need the shows to thrive. If the shows went away tomorrow, the kids and family would be fine. If J&K+8 went away tomorrow, the kids' whole life would change. Jon and Kate don't do anything else.

5) PRIVACY. The other shows don't document bathroom activity or manufactured drama over everyday activity.

6) RESPECT. Some people bicker and no one is perfect, but Jon and Kate put their kids down on television. The Duggars might sugarcoat their life on their show and are certainly strange, but they don't call their children homely.

7) THE DUGGARS AND ROLOFFS DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR THEMSELVES AND THEY DON'T FISH FOR SYMPATHY.

Of course it's hard to have eight kids, but their level of entitled self-pity is ridiculous! There are people that are homeless or ill or in danger. Kate Gosselin acts like she's the most afflicted person in the universe. She really needs to count her blessings.

8) THE GOSSELINS ARE SELF IMPORTANT EXPLOITERS.

Remember the episode where Kate takes the twins to the casting agent? Kate explains that it would be "fun" for them to be child stars, but seems dismayed that the agent wasn't bending backwards to offer roles. "We don't have time to go after that." They teach their children to expect things without hard work.

9) THE DUGGARS AND ROLOFFS WORK HARD AND APPRECIATE WHAT THEY GET.

The Duggars are strange, in my opinion, and I don't agree with their beliefs. However, I admire that they're willing to chop their own firewood and spend time teaching each other skills. I don't agree that Michelle farms her children out, because they're all together all of the time. She's there, even if the little kids have partners that help them tie shoes and get lunch.

Anonymous said...

All the people who absolutely LOVE the Gosselins wouldn't love them if they were to meet them face to face. I guarantee they would snub anyone who wasn't of imporance to them. It has happened too many times to count now since they think they are of "celebrity" status.

Remember when Trading Spaces was such a HOT No. 1 show and then it disappeared? (although it is back now)

Everyone needs to keep in mind shows like J&K don't last. I guess J&K need to keep that in mind as well, they are just living in the moment, all because of her children, not some special talent that they have. They are TALENTLESS and have no other skills in order to function in the real world. How sad for them: their claim to fame: living off their precious children. :(

Onomatopoeia said...

IMHO, the difference between J&K+8 and the Roloffs/Duggars is so glaring that you must have lead blinders on not to see it. I won't start with a diatribe because I think it's all been covered here quite nicely. Maybe it's time to put the word out to stars like Oprah, Dr. Phil, Ellen, etc. and make them aware of the mockery they all helped foster. Remember when Oprah confronted James Frey, author of the fraudulent novel A Million Little Pieces? I think it's high time for a J&K intervention...Dr. Phil??? Where are you????

Ilovemykids said...

Who do you really think paid to redo, and redo again the Roloff house? All while it was being filmed by TLC?

Really? Paid for by TLC? Did you not hear Amy ask Matt how he was going to pay for all of the new renovations in one of the earlier episodes this season? I sure did.

nancy019 said...

"But it makes you wonder how J+K might react if a close family member or friend were to pass away and if they would regret not spending any time recently with them. "

The first thing out of their mouths would probably be "What did he/she leave us?" and if they did leave them something, it would be "This isn't new!! And it doesn't match anything we have." or if it were money it would be "That's all they left us?"

Or, "this is not brand new, name brand, etc." Off to the consignment shop!

porkrind said...

I wouldn't care if some of the remodel was paid for by TLC but if they were to have used Amy asking how it was going to be paid for as a shill to make use believe they were paying for it when it was TLC, that is an issue.

We've already seen that with Bitch and Shameless. They said they paid for the ORGANIC cow, yet it was really TLC who paid for it. You notice that at least Kate said the Hawaii fiasco was a "sponsored" trip. Like that word makes it any better-- sponsored means freebie any way you slice it-- which isn't a bad thing.

But Katie Irene when you've been so ungrateful and now you act as if you are, it turns you into a very see through fake individual.

Anonymous said...

The Roloffs don't have as many episodes per season do they? 30-40 episodes is a ridiculous number - for any tv show...

Anonymous said...

Gosselins: Freebies, Family, God

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I don't see KON's priorities showcasing Family or God at all.

Gosselins : Gimme, Gimme, Gimme

Anonymous said...

That's it exactly. The Gosselins mention God, but then forget to practice anything they were supposed to hear in church.

The priest last Sunday had an excellent homily. There was a story about someone getting to heaven and seeing a basket of mushroomy looking things. The person asked what they were. He was told they were the ears of all the church goers who had only let the Word of God into themselves as far as their ears. So their ears made it to Heaven but the rest of them didn't.

Ravello said...

LPBW was the first show I watched on TLC and I love the Roloff's, especially Amy. Her story is inspirational, I remember hearing her sister talk about how other kids ridiculed Amy on her first day of Kindergarten. Her family did not baby her, she had to face the music of life. Amy graduated from college and went back to the school in Michigan to speak to the student body about her life. It was very inspiring to me.

The biggest difference between Roloff's and G's- the Roloffs are genuinely good people, they love each other, their children, extended family and friends. Amy loves her kids, their friends and it is easy to see how much they love and respect her. The Roloff's are not perfect, none of us are.

Gosselin's are the greediest bunch of people ever to be seen on reality TV. I am often embarassed for them. They have no insight whatsoever. I think Kate loves the idea of being a mother but the only one she seems to really love is Hannie. What kind of a mother ignores her boys episode after episode, puts a feverish vomiting 3 year old on the laundry room floor, threatens a 3 year old with the loss of his comfort bear/ blanket, withholds a birthday cupcake from her 3 sons while the girls chow down on theirs?

Kudos to the Roloffs.

julie said...

Has anyone ever noticed that at the end of the credits on the Duggars show, it lists "Figure 8 Productions"? Please tell me that J&K are NOT profiting from the Duggars! I'm hoping it's just the name of the production team, but yet I ask "would Kate allow her families name to be on another show and not make some cash?" This has bothered me since day one of the Duggars. I do like the Duggars, but I've wondered too about the product placement. I don't see Michelle paying full price for the Rose Petal cottage either. Plus, would the fam that shops at Aldi really have namebrand cleaning products? I guess it's not their fault, maybe it's pushed.

Anonymous said...

It's just a coincidence that the production company is named Figure 8 and the Gosselins have 8 children. Figure 8 was in existence before the Gosselins came along.

Product placement seems to be current thing with reality shows. Cheap advertising I guess.

donewatchingkon said...

IMO the main difference is the Duggars have an outside income.. they had a big family BEFORE the show even started, and I am sure had then never been approached, they would still be the same way. They NEVER claim to need charity, and they shop smart. I would rather see Michelle plugging Kmart than Kate. LPBW have an outside income.. many. In addition to the produce farm they both work. They give to charities, but they also give to the community by hosting events at their farm. SO what if they get a few perks, that is a bonus of a reality TV star. You watch as the Rolloffs travel in an RV, and the Duggars cram all 20 into a little pizza parlor in new york. NOT first class airfare and VIP seating. They have shows because WE want to watch them.. they were approached. KON on the other had started out as a charity case, and it evolved from there, they take take take from teh community, and never give back now that they are in the position too, they just keep on taking. I doubt there was ever a benifit for the Rolloffs or Duggars. The difference is on the premis of show...IMO

Anonymous said...

When the Roloff Family appeared
on Oprah, Amy told how when her
daughter reached a certain age,
no cameras were going to film her in her bedroom. The daughter deserved
her personal space and privacy. '
This told me the Roloff's have
/had thought about the affects
all this would have on their
children and family unit.

Anonymous said...

figure eight films is a production company. They film J&K and other shows/tv specials.

Anonymous said...

I'm so glad this thread is open! I've been wanting to point out the difference between a Gosselin "wedding" and the Duggar wedding. Both probably had the opportunity to involve TLC. The difference is, the Duggars know that weddings are for family and celebration of a couple's life together. Josh and Anna Duggar had their wedding at a local church, with just friends and family and very little media coverage, except for the proposal, which WAS on TLC. I'm sure the family probably could have been shipped to the Grand Wailea for a HI wedding on the beach, but they chose to keep the ceremony private. I say good for them! The Gosselins, on the other hand, used their vow renewal as a way to up their ratings and get more free stuff!

ashley said...

tatortotnut:
I dont think that stuff is there because they got it for free. One episode shows all the children shopping for themselves because Matt and Amy were out of town, they had only $100 and had to put stuff back when they were at the checkout because they were over. If it was product placement they wouldnt have had to pay a penny. In fact I dont even think KON grocery shop at all now, why would they when they have a personal chef...

ashley said...

Michelle and Kate are VERY different people, Kate is a shrew and has to have things her own way, but I dont believe she was always as bad as she is now. Michelle is very loving and affectionate towards her children and I only hope having their own show doesnt change her a bit!

Anonymous said...

I have no idea why anyone is in love with the Roloffs. Is anyone aware of the bigotry of the Roloff grandfather and Jeremy? I learned all kinds of "names" from Jeremy and his friends.

The Roloffs are also totally clueless about education. I can't wait until Jeremy goes to the Wharton School of Business... probably to mop the floors.

You don't wait until your kid is a junior in high school and then ask him if he's ever "thought about college." Those two numbskulls (the twins) will be 19 when they graduate from what seems to be a sub-standard high school.

Anonymous said...

anonymous said...
I have had the pleasure and displeasure of meeting both Amy and Kate along with other stars and celebrities. Amy is as sweet as can be. She's polite, kind, and gracious. Kate is a bitch and about the worst one I've ever had the bad luck to get stuck with. If Kate ever comes back to where I work, I'm calling in sick. She thinks she's the hottest, best, top of the world thing ever. She's wrong. Her kids acted like wild things and she smiled at them as if they were doing absolutely nothing wrong. It was left to the nanny to do all the work and handling of them. Jon was tolerable when Kate was out of the room, but he's no prize either. He would occasionaly tell Maddy to calm down or pick up one of the kids but he still left them to the nanny almost completely.

11/13/2008 8:45 AM
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I bet you're not the first one to feel this way. When are people going to say "enough" to this greedy, bitchy unlikeable woman, Kate Gosseling?

Dew said...

"I have no idea why anyone is in love with the Roloffs. Is anyone aware of the bigotry of the Roloff grandfather and Jeremy? I learned all kinds of "names" from Jeremy and his friends."

I've never heard anything like this. Please specify. Keep in mind Jeremy is a teenage boy. Certainly doesn't excuse bad language, but it's certainly not abnormal for boys this age. As for his grandfather, he raised up two dwarf children into very capable, respectable, adults against all odds. He has been there for his children their whole lives and is a very loving supportive grandfather. The look on his face when Jacob was hurt was one of pure love and concern. You can't fake it.

"The Roloffs are also totally clueless about education. I can't wait until Jeremy goes to the Wharton School of Business... probably to mop the floors."

What's wrong with mopping floors, anyway? The fact that the children may not be headed for Harvard or Yale doesn't mean Amy and Matt are bad parents. Clearly the twins are not as book smart as some children. They have them in tutoring. A so-called better school may not necessarily help things. It will just be a "better" school. The twins I have no doubt will become very successful young men. Jeremy needs to be building things or driving things. Zack is coming out of his shell and I think will actually be a great communicator like his dad eventually. They will hone in on their strengths just like their parents did and be very successful, I believe.

Just because a child isn't necessarily college bound doesn't mean his future is bleak or that his parents screwed up. Their daugher Molly is clearly headed for a great college--and she goes to the same high school and has the same parents. You could just as easily use her to prove her parents did a great job on her education as you can use the twins to prove the opposite.

Anonymous said...

So....why are the Gosselins STILL on the air???

Anonymous said...

Roloff kid: "You're such a weiner"

Gosselin kid: " I have a weiner"

Duggar kid: " Gasp! I'm not allowed to day that word".

Anonymous said...

I've been wondering this as well since the Duggars show began. Would I start out loving it too then find myself loathing them like I did with J&K?

So far I'm enjoying the Duggars more with each episode. And I especially loved how Michelle & Jim-Bob described Jinger's negative traits with extremely positive words and affection. Compared to how J&K describe their kids, even positively, it's a HUGE difference.

Same with the Roloffs. You never hear Matt or Amy insult their children. Even in "fun".

It's amazing how the Duggars and Roloffs can talk openly about each other without resorting to snide remarks.

And that's another difference I noticed - only on J&K do you see the parents interviewed together. On LPBW and 17&C each person is interviewed separately. Why do J&K need to be together? Is it Kate's way to control Jon's comments? Or ...? I think they should switch to the one-on-one format. And include the kids. Even the younger Duggar kids are asked questions and we rarely hear what the Gosselin kids themselves think or have to say.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Someone just mentioned "Trading Places". I was going to mention that same thing. Paige Davis, the host, thought she was all that. snicker, her career went nowhere. Even the Bravo show, Queer Eye was white hot, and now, finis. Nothing lasts forever.

And, one thing about the Roloffs. They have plenty of loving friends and family shown. The kids have soccer, and sleepovers, and are able to call on the phone.

Anonymous said...

Like everyone has stated, J&K are so far from reality, it shouldn't be called a reality show. The reason for all the day trips and vacations is because they as a family are no longer interesting, they are hoping the locations that host them may bring something interesting to the show. I remember seeing one of their specials in the first house, where she had little post notes, and lists all over everything to keep them organized. Now, that was interesting. I really could not see how anyone could be that organized with that many children - but now the only organization comes from the production crew. Kate doesn't have to have lists all over everything, because she doesn't DO everything.
Also, does anyone remember Jon saying something about "running errands" (his only form of work) saying that they get multiple packages in the mail every week - who does that? And what the heck are in all those packages? Plus I remember them taking all the cardboard boxes to some recycling bin. There were tons of boxes - what are they getting in the mail?
But, I think the thing that bothers me even more than all the freebies - is now that they have all their children in schooling at some point during the week - what are they doing with that time? I am sure hitting stores and lunches to fill their time. Why don't they volunteer somewhere? Now that would be interesting.

Dew said...

The Little People kids also aren't asked to stop in the middle of a fun activity, get the lighting set up just right and the grip and the camera, and be forced to say cheerily: "Coming up on Little People Big World!"

diane said...

The duggar mom doesn't watch all of children. She pawns them off on buddys. She has built in FREE child labor.

Amen to that! I agree that Michelle does seem much "nicer" than Kate, but is their situation and how the kids are treated really that much better? Is she really so "loving" when she keeps popping out child after child and clearly does not have time to spend individually with each one. The children, while not on camera every day, still must have no idea what privacy is like. They have that huge new house and all the boys sleep in one room (the girls probably do also but I just remember seeing the boys room on a current episode). The Duggar children are robbed of their childhood not necessarily in the same way as the Gosselins by being forced to be on camera constantly, but by being forced to become a parent (for all intents and purposes) at a very young age when they are given a "buddy" sibling to be responsible for. Honestly, I think it is awful. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with instilling responsibility in your children and giving them chores around the house, but those kids (especially the girls) do pretty much EVERYTHING for Michelle. IMO, that's almost like 'private' child exploitation. Is it really so much better than what the Gosselins do??

Ravello said...

Gosselins verses Duggars.
A few things come to mind.
I hope TLC reads this thread as a kind of focus group forum.

The genuine kindness and welcome shown to the visiting family at the Duggars verses KON's disgusting treatment of Aunt Jodi in Gumgate.

The Duggars happily eating pizza in NYC and Tater Tot casserole at home verses the Gosselin kids chowing down on crab in NC and Lobster in Hawaii. I did not see any kid meals on the table at the HUMU, the kids were eating lobster.

The Duggars gave out family photos to the policewoman and others in NYC. The Gosselins sell pictures of their kids for $20 and solicit love offerings at churches around the country, pleading poverty.

The Duggars traveling overnight on the family bus to the reunion verses the Gosselins riding around on a $2800 snorkel boat charter in Maui. Plus Kate asking for 2 extra hours so they could nap on the high seas.

Michelle really seems to love her kids, she speaks so lovingly and kindly to each child. Each child is treated like a blessing from God. KON screams, yells and often ignores her kids, especially the boys. Child rearing is a pain in the butt to Kate. Hired help and Jon tend to the kids.

The Duggars seem like a nice happy family, almost too nice to be true.
The KONS are polar opposites.

Anonymous said...

...where she had little post it notes, and lists all over everything to keep them organized.

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The notes were not for Kate to stay organized, they were directions, instructions, charts and graphs for her multitude of HELPERS. (oh, and the directions for Jon to follow on how to make Queenie's coffee was ridiculous)

Yeah, Kate can pack 15 suitcases for a weekend trip, but 5 of those suitcases are non-essentials such as organic lollipops and her own pots and pans because surely that beautiful NC beachfront property didn't have any.

Her commons sense tips for traveling with children ? Snacks and games. Wow, why didn't I think of that before? Same thing with her "recipe" for ham and cheese. So creative, that Katie Irene !

Ok, sorry for the rant =)

Anonymous said...

I was truly touched to see Matt Roloff go into a war zone to help children afflicted by a rare form of dwarfism. What a selfless act of service! I also was struck by the Roloff episode when Amy & Matt were in Nashville for a speaking engagement. Matt was very ill with the flu and instead of complaining and trying to drag him off the couch, Amy just let him get his rest and went to site see by herself (with production crew in tow of course!) We would never see that from Kate...she would pout, complain and nag Jon to get out of bed!!

Anonymous said...

Matt is civically and philanthropically minded. He is very involved with Little People of America, heads up a small foundation to find loving, adoptive parents for dwarf babies with additional disabilities, and his speaking engagements are to educate and build awareness of issues/challenges little people face. He talks about tolerance and inclusion. He is contributing to make the world a better place. Sure, the R's probably get paid and some freebies, but they are real people who try to live with a higher purpose in mind. There is NO comparison here to KON - none whatsoever!!

Anonymous said...

IMO..They put KON in the middle of what they think will be better shows for the commercialism, and the demographics of the viewers have different ideas of what is right and what is wrong, they see it as entertainment, not real flesh and blood children, when they cry, it's because they are hurt, when they are hit on the head, or pulled by the arm, it's all real. The ones that don't think it will have a long term affect on their lives. I think the other reason is those people also have the same type of homelife (immature, teen mothers, people that think that kind of behavior is okay, would purchase things they see on the show so their kids can have what KON's kids have, and would love to have a life like them), some come to their senses and see the truth, others continue to think that Jon has a job outside of the home, and Kate is a Supermom. IMO..The others are the ones that watch because it's a trainwreck, wanting to stop it, but not knowing how to do it, and eventually will get sick enough of it to stop watching (and continue write to advocate for them hopefully.)

Sarah said...

Ok, I don't think there is a comparison!

Every time I watch Jon and Kate, my stomach turns. I'm a Christian, and I try not to judge, but I've never seen someone claim to love God so much, and then live a life where God has no part in it. It honestly makes me sad.

I love the Duggars! In fact, I just met Jim Bob and Michelle when they spoke at a church in my town a few weeks back (they took a trip to SF without the kids for their anniversary, which will be on the show in a few weeks!). They are sweet, and genuine, and give their glory to God.

Michelle is just as sweet as she appears, and they stayed at the church for hours after, meeting people, giving away pictures, answering questions, and just talking to people. Even if I don't agree 100% with their beliefs about birth control, it works for them and they are truly loving!

I wish Michelle Duggar could Mentor Kate. I mean, I think that Jon and Kate need to step back and look at what their doing, and why.

Anonymous said...

Michelle is calm with her children because most of the time her older daughters are doing the child rearing. Don't be fooled by the 1/2 hour of parenting you see from Jim Bob and Michelle.

And it makes me said that Josh couldn't go to the University of Arkansas and try to fulfill his dream of becoming a lawyer. Instead he had to go to work at a dealership when he finished school at 16 and get his finances in order so he could be married at 20.

Anonymous said...

"And that's another difference I noticed - only on J&K do you see the parents interviewed together. On LPBW and 17&C each person is interviewed separately. Why do J&K need to be together?"_________________
I wonder if the TLC strategy calls for KON to be together on the couch for interviews as this is part of the "sell/appeal/etc." of the show. That is, Kate being a horrible shrew who is white trash who just happens to have all her teeth (and professionally whitened, I might add!) Is this the new thing in reality TV now? Does being a "bitch" sell? And when you pit that "bitch" against a lame, emasculated husband, does that make it even better viewing and consequently, better ratings? I think TLC thinks so and are milking it for all it's worth until the new shows pick up and KON can be dumped just as quickly as they were signed on.

Anonymous said...

Every word in the post is 100% true!!! The Roloff's aren't living off of their kids like the white trash Gosselins. I understand Kate leaving her job to raise the kids (it's cheaper than a babysitter/day-care) but why do both parents not work. Oh yea, beacuse they're living off of their kids!!!!!! And...the Roloff's are normal. They don't cut people out of their lives at the drop of hat because they didn't obey them.

Anonymous said...

Why do J&K need to be together?"_________________

So they get their stories straight. Every time Kate looks over at Jon when she is speaking, she is confirming their "account" of the situation at hand.

PRODUCERS of this travesty: For kicks and giggles start talking to them separately - but ask them the same question. The viewers will get a kick of how the "stories" will vary.

TigerFan said...

The difference between the Gosselin family reality show and that of the Duggar and Rollof family can be summed up in Kate Gosselin's own words, 'the show is our life and our life is the show'. J & K Gosselin live their life according to the terms and conditions set forth by a reality tv show. What do J & K bring to their reality show that is representative of their life prior to that of their reality show? Their so called 'fame' is contingent on the fact that they are parents of two sets of multiples; in the absence of the children what do J & K possess individually, or collectively that is of a profound interest to viewers? Unlike the Gosselin family, there are various levels to the dynmanics that make up the Duggar and Rollof families that extend well beyond that of the children and free trips to amusement parks, special days and vacation resorts. Dynamics that are influenced by such things as extended family, friends, personal/public interests, religion, community, careers, social life, education and public awareness, life choices and personal challanges. All of which are blatantly absent from the J & K Gosselin reality show.

Anonymous said...

Anon said: And it makes me said that Josh couldn't go to the University of Arkansas and try to fulfill his dream of becoming a lawyer. Instead he had to go to work at a dealership when he finished school at 16 and get his finances in order so he could be married at 20.
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Why couldn't Josh go to the University of Arkansas (or any university, for that matter?) There is nothing that impedes his ability to be a good and successful student as far as I can tell. Did Jim-Bob and Michelle refuse to let him go because it's against their religion? Are the kids meant only to grow up and reproduce again and again? Or, was money the issue? I know the Duggars do not believe in loans and borrowing (their religious views), but this is their kid! Education is a wonderful gift you can give your child. And if that's what Josh wanted, what was the hold-back? I'm really sad for him.

Anonymous said...

Same with the Roloffs. You never hear Matt or Amy insult their children. Even in "fun".

Actually they do quite often. There was an episode where Molly was going to sleep outside in the house the Native Americans built on their property and none of the girls brought sleeping bags. Amy said "What are you guys, idiots"

Anonymous said...

Why do J&K need to be together?"_________________

So they get their stories straight. Every time Kate looks over at Jon when she is speaking, she is confirming their "account" of the situation at hand.

PRODUCERS of this travesty: For kicks and giggles start talking to them separately - but ask them the same question. The viewers will get a kick of how the "stories" will vary.

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There is no way that they would interview the kids , especially Mady. KON know that the kids will speak the TRUTH.

Dew said...

"There was an episode where Molly was going to sleep outside in the house the Native Americans built on their property and none of the girls brought sleeping bags. Amy said "What are you guys, idiots"

Joking around with teenagers to their face and having some friendly banter with children old enough to get it is hardly the same as sitting on a couch and behind their back implying your four-year-old and seven-year-old children are gay, terrors, you don't care for certain ones of them, dramatic, difficult, or icky. Or to their face tell everyone you don't like sitting near them.

Amy and Matt will say that the twins are having a little difficulty in school and so we've done a., b. and c. to help them out and we're so proud of how much better they are doing. Same situation with Mady struggling in school, only Kate will say Mady has "issues" and "drama" and is "being ugly" and that they just don't know whatever could be wrong with troubled annoying Mady.

Moreover, teenage friends aren't going to care if the twins are doing bad in school or what is talked about on their show. But seven-year-olds could rake Mady through the coals after hearing things her parents said about her. Not the same.

Anonymous said...

Matt also refers to Jake as a "sissy man". Real nice that we can all buy a dvd of that endearing moment.

Amy and Matt will say that the twins are having a little difficulty in school and so we've done a., b. and c. to help them out and we're so proud of how much better they are doing.

Actually Matt had no idea the boys were doing badly. The twins *failed* in tenth grade and needed summer school... and that was long before Matt was all about Sylvan. Amy, for all the talk, also does nothing.

Not that I disagree with you on your point about Mady, but there's plenty of teasing points for the Roloff kids as well... not the least of which are their hygiene issues.

Anonymous said...

I agree with your post, however I do know that what you see on camera on the Roloffs they do get for free or very discounted. Matt himself has said this. If they buy something that is not shown on TV or they go somewhere that is not shown on TV of course the Roloffs pay....Everything Matt adds to the house, etc...if the cameras are rolling, TLC is paying...Not saying it is a bad thing, just the truth...

Anonymous said...

The Roloffs also have admirable goals and ambitions (Matt traveling to Iraq!). The Gosselins seem to have no goals except making money off of their kids.

ChinaMomof4 said...

This is a great thread! There is no doubt that the Roloffs are much more focused on "giving back." Matt went to Iraq to help a family whose children urgently needed medical care. That couldn't have been an easy trip for anyone, much less a disabled person. And there was an episode where Zach and Jeremy and their classmates go to clean up a flooded town in Oregon. Zach volunteered to crawl under a house to pull out debris and came home with his shoes soaked with sewage. Yikes! Could you see Jon or Kate even coming close to doing such a thing?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Matt is civically and philanthropically minded. He is very involved with Little People of America, heads up a small foundation to find loving, adoptive parents for dwarf babies with additional disabilities, and his speaking engagements are to educate and build awareness of issues/challenges little people face. He talks about tolerance and inclusion. He is contributing to make the world a better place. Sure, the R's probably get paid and some freebies, but they are real people who try to live with a higher purpose in mind. There is NO comparison here to KON - none whatsoever!!

I wonder why Kate Gosselin isnt out there promoting awareness of PCOS and its association with infertility?

Anonymous said...

J & K Gosselin are so obviously ALL about sending a message of this is what we WANT to be, not who we ARE! It is apparent by just watching their reality show the past and present accomplishments of the Duggar and Rolloff family. For the Gosselin family an accomplishment is considered 'deciding' on when and where their next resort vacation, trip to an amusement park, talk show appearance or photo opportunity will take place.

Anonymous said...

Diane, I agree with you completely about the Duggars. I never watch their show and find the
"buddy system" appalling but obviously is they are going to have all those kids, they need the older kids to raise them, change their diapers, etc. Who gets up in the middle of the night if one of the babies need help? And the home schools just isolates those kids more. I do watch J and K cause I adore the kids, particularly Collin and Alexis. I personally don't care if they get trips, freebies, etc. Jon and Kate are not changing their parenting style on or off camera.
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Anonymous said...

"Moreover, teenage friends aren't going to care if the twins are doing bad in school or what is talked about on their show. But seven-year-olds could rake Mady through the coals after hearing things her parents said about her. Not the same."
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I'd have to respectfully disagree with this. Teenagers will be just as cruel, if not more so. For example, one episode showed Zach on his first, painfully awkward date. Would I have wanted all my high school friends and all my future friends in college to see me on my first date at 14 or 15... absolutely not. Would I have wanted my friends to see me taken to the Sylvan Learning Center, because I wasn't doing well in school? Nope.

Just because the Roloff kids are old enough to say "yes" to doing the show, doesn't mean they are old enough to realize the impact it will have on their lives for years to come.

Anonymous said...

"You don't wait until your kid is a junior in high school and then ask him if he's ever "thought about college." Those two numbskulls (the twins) will be 19 when they graduate from what seems to be a sub-standard high school."

Too many parents push their kids too much these days. You don't have to be the kind of parent who applies to expensive preschools while the kid is still in utero. There is nothing wrong with thinking about college as a junior rather than in elementary school. I have a senior and while we talk about it a lot now, we have not been preoccupied with it for years and years. Relax. These kids are not going to be homeless. Worry about KON's kids who will likely be emotionally crippled!

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:38 Matt was arrested for DUI and the trial was shown as an episode. He won the DUI case when the judge decided one of the field sobriety tests was only 75% accurate. He did lose his license anyway as refusal to take a breath test is automatic license revocation in Oregon. But Matt also received another DUI prior and went to a special program to keep it off his record. So yes

Reality is Boring said...

Last night I was watching Quint-Essential - the one year update about the Ferrill Five. I realize this is not technically a reality show - only an update. But when the commercial came on, I switched over to TLC and there was KON on vacation (from what?) in Hawaii and gobbling up the freebies. Back to the Quints where Daddy was wondering how he was going to make up the $2000 a month shortfall in their income, shots of their very modest house, and Mama taking care of all five tots at once using every limb she had, with a smile and a soft voice. What a contrast! Not to mention the whole loving family at the Baptism etc., that Mom is finishing her college degree one course at a time, and Daddy finished his masters degree so he could better provide for his family. What a concept! Supporting your children through your own labor, not theirs! What a beautiful couple, what a beautiful show. And once a year is enough. It's nice to see how the quints have grown. I don't need to see them every week like on KON.

TLC should be ashamed of the garbage that passes for entertainment. Let's face it, the only kids that are THAT interesting are your own. I don't find the KON children the least bit interesting. Ditto with the Duggars and the Roloffs - although these families seem much nicer than KON, the fact is that these shows are excruciatingly BORING. If I want to watch boring, I'll just film my own daily routine.

Anonymous said...

Ariana, curious if you have any idea what this reality show might bring into J&K, seems like you might be in advertising.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:35 people like to see a train wreck. Just like half the people who watched Evil Kneivel. Half hoped he would make it, half hoped for a crash. LOL TLC says that the interaction between J&K is alot of it.

Anonymous said...

Although all of the reality shows seem to have gotten on the product placement bandwagon (profitable to the network) it's thanks to TLC for procuring them for the show - but I'd imagine the families could probably say no if they actually didn't want to be involved in commercial making.

I must respond to one of the writers who said she didn't see many product placements on LPBW. I think it might be because the products are bigger than you're used to seeing. Their pool, spa, deck, railing, just in the last episode were all freebies and were cleverly advertised/placed with small signs on installers trucks, shirts, labels on the items themself, etc. The week of their LV sales trip we saw tons of LV products (hotels, restaurants, theatres, etc). I wish they'd all get away from it, but I can see how it's all about making money for TLC and in turn, the families. If the families have good managers their contracts should give them a % of those dollars.

My favorite part of these shows is watching the credits/thanks at the end. So far, the Duggars list has been pretty clean. The Gosselin's is the longest list and has always been, but....the Roloff's are running a close second.

The biggest difference I see between J&K and the other parents/shows is the subject of their episodes is CREATED so there is something to film since the family has nothing to offer on it's own; hence all of the trips, vacations and theme park visits. The Duggars and Roloff's have lives and their episodes exist because they were filmed living their everyday lives - not some activity created just for a tv episode.

The Duggars and Roloffs will be just fine when the cameras leave, but the Gosselin's live for the show and will have nothing when the show is gone. What family values have they built during the show's run, what skills have they sharpened, what job experience or seniority have they built, what traits they have to fall back on other than looking to others to take care of them? Nothing. Their lives are empty except for the Figure 8 production crew.

Dew said...

The Roloff twins are obviously very popular in school. They have the same friends they've had since day one and just keep adding new ones. They both date pretty, polite, nice girls. They do normal teenage activities. I have never gotten the sense the show is having an impact on their healthy, normal, quite honestly above average social lives. Whereas with the Gosselins twins? Their friends are who, please? Last time I checked it was Beth's daughter, who is significantly older than them, and also estranged now, presumably.

Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be laws protecting reality show kids just because the Roloff kids seem to be doing fine. But they've been very lucky in that they've made it through their reality show with parents who know how to protect them. With parents who I believe have kept a great deal hidden from the cameras in order to ensure their children continue to have healthy childhoods. Unfortunatly not all parents can be trusted to behave as the Roloffs have.

There was a beautiful moment awhile back in which Jeremy was speaking about how lucky he is to have Matt as his father. It was unscripted, emotional, pure. He loves him so much and Matt has done right by him, and all his children. Sadly I just can't picture the Gosselin children talking about their parents like that.

Think about what we don't see on the Roloffs. We don't see SO much. Birthday parties, school events, sports, dates--we may be privy to one or two of these out of hundreds. Huge chunks of time the cameras are absent. So much of their lives are still obviously private. Whereas I feel like we intrude on the Gosselins entire lives all the time, from potty breaks to showers to vomit we are there watching every moment. Sick.

Anonymous said...

Kittie said: "I thought the point of this blog was to stop the exploitation of the children, not how many freebies they get. The freebies mean nothing to me. If anything im glad they do get them while they can because everyone knows they will not last forever...... They are all doing the same thing. Exploiting their kids for a check from TLC. JMHO
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I've gotta disagree a little kittie, The Duggars have said they decided to do the show so they can enlighten people on their lifestyle. The Roloff's have said their show's premise was to give people a view of how little people manage in a world built for others. Both of these shows have pretty well succeeded and IMHO without selling out or exploiting their children.
The Gosselin's, however - have nothing to offer anyone and I agree with you about them. Their first 2 specials were informative and inspiring, but that's over now and they're definitely a prime example of exploitation for the benefit of the parent's pocketbook.

Anonymous said...

What I find is in LPBW: They take care of their kids. Their kids can be kids. Mom and Dad and Grandparents are close knit. J and K try to pretend to be close, but it is easy to see how the kids and parents are disconnected from eachother. It also broke my heart to see Kate sitting in a chair while Jenny was making the kids plates in Hawaii at the luau. Kate was not helping or paying attention.
As for the house on LPBW. I dont believe TLC is paying for the house. I believe they did get some freebies, like the ground heating system thing and the porch. No possible way amy would live in those two rooms for months on end if she didnt have to.
Also they had their farm and business before the show and how many closed vip sessions have they had places???? None that I can recall.
I know j and k were ride lines when ever possible. The believe they are entitled and it shows.
The Duggars are kind and live by the golden.Kon is not kind.

Anonymous said...

Matt and Amy Roloff have college degrees and have talked about the twins consistently struggling in school as well as talking to them about college in their futures.

It's certainly can't be a secret in their private school that the twins are having problems academically so I'll bet the boys are proud that going to Sylvan is helping bring up their grades. At least I hope so after the huge promo they gave them!

I've got to give Amy credit for keeping her house consistently filthy. Remember a couple of seasons back when they remodeled the upstairs kids rooms and they had to empty the boy's room and how filthy they were? It looked to me like neither Matt nor Amy had been upstairs in years. And remember how Matt complains about how dirty the house is? It's obvious Amy has never been big on organization or cleanliness in her house. Me? I'd be mortified if my house was being filmed in that condition, but I guess it doesn't bother her. Her kitchen counter and the thoughs of her cooking food there does make me a bit sick to my stomach, though.

I've read that the kids do have hygiene issues and seeing the way they're living this season reassures me that what I've heard is true.

But, after all that criticism of them, I'll still take this family and their show anyday over J&K's. The Roloff's have something to offer the views - honesty, values, goals, hard work, disability views, responsibility, and sense of family and love. J&K don't have anything but a show that belongs on the travel channel.

Sarah said...

I totally disagree that Josh Duggar is not being allowed to go to college. I've been around the courtship movement for a very long time, and no one is "forced" to get married, or not attend classes. It's his own choice. Lots of people in the courtship movement go on to finish school. I personally don't believe you have to have a college degree to succeed (and I have a bachelors degree in communications). I think Josh is doing just fine, and he will be just fine!

Also, the buddy system is no worse then an older sibling helping a younger one get ready in the morning, or helping them with their homework. It's totally normal in big families. I was a nanny for a family with 12 kids, and older kids helped with younger ones. Their family sticks together, and helps each other. I think it's a good life lesson. I think the term "buddy system" makes it sound worse then it really is. I know growing up I was expected to take care of certain things in my house. It was never a big deal.

Anonymous said...

Kittie, you seem to have latched onto one aspect of the purpose of the blog and are trying to force the blog into your perspective of it. I don't see anything that says the sole purpose of this blog is to stop child exploitation.

michelle said...

The show on the Roloffs' family is not necessarily revolved around the children. It's mainly about Matt and Amy, two little people, raising three average size children and Zach, who is a little person. They could have this show, even if it was just Matt and Amy. Living in a big world being little people.

The "family business" is the farm (selling pumpkins, ect.)

Matt works with selling equipment to hotels for little people to use. His own business.

Matt is an advocate (sp) for children who are little. He is actually making a difference for children, who are little and need adopting or medical care. The show where he went to Iraq was great!

Matt had a job, for awhile, where he traveled around in sales.

Amy was teaching school to small children (or atleast did for a good portion of this series).

They certainly have no housekeeping ( :

You see Amy cooking the meals, although we have seen Kate cook.

The children have always been old enough to have a say in doing this show. And I believe the parents would listen and stop the series if even one of the children objected. Especially if they were seeing "adverse" reactions in their children, due to being on T.V. every week. Not really sure Kate and Jon would do the same. The tups are not old enough to have a say or even have the mind capacity at their age to even make such a decision.

Jacob, the youngest, is rarely in the episodes. Even Molly is hardly in the show. Their "own rooms" are not on camera. They have privacy.

There seems to be no fixed "camera" lighting on the ceilings. The Gosselins even have that kind of lighting in the tups rooms!, plus fixed cameras! NO privacy! Atleaset Mady and Cara's room is off limits, plus Jon and Kate's own room! But not for the tups!

Matt and Amy's speaking engagements are not centered around the children. In other words, the show is not about their kids. The Gosselins would not have this show if it were not for the tups.

The tups and twins are supporting their family. Certainly not Jon an Kate. I seriously do not believe Jon is working now. I'm beginning to believe that Jon never even worked for Beth Carson's husband, Bob.

Anonymous said...

I stopped watching the Roloffs when it was no longer about living the life of a little person. It was about, what trip are we going on next? or what new extravagance will TLC purchase for us? The same thing is happening with J&K+8. It is no longer about the daily lives of them and more about where are we going (paid for by TLC) or what will we be doing or getting (paid for by TLC).

rosey in washington said...

One big difference that I noticed between the Gosselins and the Duggars can be seen in something that they BOTH do.

Both families have pictures available for the public to own. BUT the huge difference between them is that the Duggars GIVE them away with a smile and conversation. Remember when they were in New York City and they gave their family pictures away to that cab driver and those police officers. They also TALKED to both the cab driver and police officers. They seemed very nice and friendly while on the streets of New York City.

Meanwhile, the Gosselins SELL their family picture for $20 at churchs to guests who have already paid a ticket price to get into see Jon and Kate (not even the kids!), and they also probably donate to the "love offering" that gets passed around for the Gosselins, you know since they are SO POOR....BLAH!

I think this just really shows America how different the families are. In my opinion, the Duggars still feel that the public and other people are just the same as them, while the Gosselins see other people as "below them" and just another opportunity to CON for money!

diane said...

I totally disagree that Josh Duggar is not being allowed to go to college. I've been around the courtship movement for a very long time, and no one is "forced" to get married, or not attend classes. It's his own choice.

Sure, it's his own "choice", but when these kids grow up in a situation like that where all they are exposed to is the "courtship" movement (pretty much brainwashed IMO) and are then told "it's your choice honey" when they reach a certain age; after never knowing any different or being exposed to another option, it's obvious Josh would make the decision he made. He is a nice kid who still doesn't want to upset his parents!



Also, the buddy system is no worse then an older sibling helping a younger one get ready in the morning, or helping them with their homework. It's totally normal in big families.....

I know growing up I was expected to take care of certain things in my house. It was never a big deal.


Certain things, that's fine. But these girls make the meals and do the laundry AND have buddies to take care of. Like I said, I have no problem with children having to help out around the house or be responsible for certain chores, but the Duggars take it to the extreme and it is unfair to the kids.

Anonymous said...

I dont agree with the poster who said if we condemn one reality family we should condemn them all.

NOT true in my eyes. There is a world of difference between the GREEDY Gosselins and just about every other family. Its dramatic.

The Roloffs didnt quit their jobs. They didnt sit on their butts and say how hard life is and have a person assigned for every aspect of their life, like cooks, nannies, etc, etc...
They dont constantly hint for things and EXPECT them.
They dont treat people who like their show badly!
They dont think they are celebrities like J & K do.
They arent living off the backs of their kids.

These are just some obvious differences. I am happy for anything the Roloff family gets.

The gosselins need to take a hike, and get off the TV already.

Anonymous said...

I've gotta disagree a little kittie, The Duggars have said they decided to do the show so they can enlighten people on their lifestyle. The Roloff's have said their show's premise was to give people a view of how little people manage in a world built for others. Both of these shows have pretty well succeeded and IMHO without selling out or exploiting their children.

I really have to disagree. On a couple of levels. LPBW Origanally was about showing little people living regular lives... but devolved into little people having fancy vacations and doing odd activities. And the Duggars are not pure and sinless, they got a free house out of this deal, a house that they hadn't finished after three years despite their frugality. After all is said and done, do we really need a tv show to show us how larger than average families live? The Duggars are no better than the Gosselins at this point. They are only on TV because of the number of kids they have, not because of their "unique" lifestyle. And the Roloffs have interviewed and admitted that while they do like the whole "little people exposure" aspect, they origanally chose to do the show for the money.

If its about selling your kids privacy for profit, the Gosselins, the Duggars, and the Roloffs are all guilty.

Anonymous said...

Another difference I noticed is when Jeremy and his friends went to a professional soccer game and sat in the nosebleed seats. Jer got to meet some of the players afterwards and they signed a soccer ball, that he wanted to surprise his brother with. He acted like a fan when one player gave him advice when he asked and was so happy that he got the chance to talk with the player.

Jon and kate say ... They (example.. phillies owners, the hotel in Hawaii, etc..) were happy to SEE US! Kate said it a few times, like we didnt hear it the first time is came out of her ungrateful mouth.
Truly disgusting.

Anonymous said...

I wish the Roloffs would get a maid. Their house is always such a mess. How can anyone live in a mess like that.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that you can even compare the greedy Gosselins to any other "reality" show out there. I think TLC/Figure 8 took advantage of the Gosselins in the beginning BUT now I believe its turned the other way around. The Gosselins KNOW exactly what they are doing and are milking the almighty dollar out of TLC/Figure 8 for as long as they can. Why do you think they have turned a trip to Hawaii into 4 episodes. That trip could have been complapsed into 2 episodes: the trip to San Diego and the Wedding. Screw the packing episode, screw the lai making/pool episode. J&K both know that when the show stops and the money stops pouring in from it, they will not be able to afford the current lifestyle they are living. Regardless if they continue speaking at churches. They are setting themselves up for a disaster. Especially w/ the twins. They are at the age where they know the difference between clothes from Kmart and clothes from The Gap. They are creating 8 materialistic monsters (not including Jon & Kate who already are) and its all going to come back and bite them in the A**. There was no need to move to a 1.3 million dollar home(that they will not be able to afford on their own). They could have done like the Roloffs and expanded the home they were living in. There was plenty of room on their property to do this. If they claim that it was for privacy reasons... then I ask: Why are you still doing the show? There is no comparison in my opinion. There is no way a "normal" family of 10 can live the lifestyle like the Gosselins are living with out someone being in show business. So to me its not "reality".

Ilovemykids said...

I stopped watching the Roloffs when it was no longer about living the life of a little person. It was about, what trip are we going on next? or what new extravagance will TLC purchase for us?

LPBW has NEVER been about this. Anyone who watches the show knows this, so quit trying to put these people into the same category as the Greedy Gosselins. No one buys it.

Beverly said...

One of the things we've seen from the beginning with Matt on LPBW - no matter what he's been a dreamer and big spender all his life.

From the first show where we were introduced to the farm - with it's pirate ship, western town, etc. He built it from his need to have his childhood back (he spent literally months and months in hospital for ortho surgeries) and to give his kids a life.

So, the man somehow has always kept the family on financial edge.

Plus, with Amy and Matt both working, they also have businesses large enough to support other people with wages: the handyman who works on the farm, Mike who works with Matt at the stool business, and during the Las Vegas show, I noted two women answering phones - could be temps, but they are employees.

They have their family and friends get paid for assisting with pumpkin season and shuttling people around the farm.

They rent the property out for corporate events.

In many ways, Matt and Amy have been providing financially for the kids since the beginning - but for all his extravangances - I don't see Jon or Kate working one iota as hard as the Roloffs.

And we hear that the kids are also paid for working - at the farm and presumably on camera. Jeremy was able to say it was his money to buy a car.

The kids work and value money - they are lazy and insolent at times too - and now that I have a teenager, it is apparently part of the timeframe - but Amy and Matt rein them in well.

Respect and love is seen in the Roloff home. I also agree that the house is a pigsty, but this is Amy reacting from living super clean/strict when she was a kid.

No one seems to care. It's just how it is, I would say as long as the place doesn't smell - I could live with it.

PS: I had a friend growing up who lived with his parents - they purposely lived in squalor, the house made the Roloff home look neat and the stench!!! Oy! It was so bad that we used to fight over who had to go in to get him. He however did choose to keep his room neat...but his family was and is horrid. So actually, the Roloff home is messy, but from the looks of things, not smelly. (I hope)

Anonymous said...

Child exploitation via reality tv exists because there are no laws in place to protect the work hours, conditions, and salary. So all shows are violating child esploitation.

The Roloffs are completely different from JK because the Roloffs do not want your pity. They have pride in everything they do and have done. Kate always want the viewer to pity her and often admits that it was wrong to have 6 kids all at once.

I can't sympathesize with her. Just because you had these 6 children you can not use them like monkeys in the circus for monetary gain.

Dew said...

"Amy was teaching school to small children (or atleast did for a good portion of this series)."

Yes, she still does. Last week was about her preschool graduation class. I can't imagine a preschool teacher would make very much. But she still does it, for the love of it I assume, as well as realizing the gravy train could stop at any moment.

"If its about selling your kids privacy for profit, the Gosselins, the Duggars, and the Roloffs are all guilty."

I think there's a fine line between a few documentaries and a very short season run, that the Duggars have done, and having cameras there all the time as the Gosselins have done. No one had a problem with the Gosselins until about a year into the show when we started to realize what they were doing was no longer a limited documentary and instead an Ed TV-like experience without a moment away from the cameras.

As for Little People Big World, there's nothing wrong with doing it for the money if you're not exploiting your children in the process. The fact that you are simply making money doesn't mean exploitation is going on. I don't believe the Roloff children are being exploited at all. As others have said, the show isn't all about them, they are allowed to live their normal lives, the younger children are not on camera that much, they are given the choice to be on camera (Matt and Amy confirmed this on Oprah) and are old enough to make that choice (none of the Gosselin children in my opinion are old enough to make this choice). If one or two or more children were absent for an episode it wouldn't matter. Whereas the Gosselins can't do anything without ALL eight kids present, sick, tired, constipated or not, because the whole premise is about the GROUP.

I'm not sure why people keep harping on special trips the little people have gone on. I can only recall two big vacations in four years, one in an RV. They go on a few speaking engagements once in awhile but they've ALWAYS done that. They go to LP conferences once in awhile too, which they have also always done. Matt and Amy MET at a LP conference.

Weed said...

This might not be the proper section to post this in but I’ll give it a try. I’m not much on posting, I’d much rather just read but I wanted to add my 2 cents on the G-Show. I, like most others, really enjoyed the show when it began. Things started changing when they hit it “big”. It stopped focusing on the children and started being a Jon & Kate show. I don’t begrudge them the trips, free stuff…. But I really think now is the time to stop. You’ve received so much - isn’t it time to start focusing on the children; they seem to have gotten lost in this whole process. Yes – they get the benefits of going cool places and hopefully a nice savings account for all 8 for their future, but they’re getting older – they need more stability, less time in the spot light – they need to realize what a childhood is like without cameras and being separated from the rest of the “normal” people. Now is the time to call the show off – I’m sure they have enough saved and if not the parents both have careers to fall back on. They could even do a once a year special with updates on the kids. But Please – now is the time to stop, let the kids start to develop the normal life they so deserve ‘cause what they’re living now is not normal. I think eventually Jon and Kate would also enjoy a no-camera life. They might take longer to adjust – but in the long run I really think the family would benefit. They could reestablish the family relationships that got lost and actually start to enjoy life with those beautiful children ‘cause to be honest I don’t think they are enjoying their life. Don’t get me wrong – they like the freebies, but they’ve lost the simple joys of family life. Those little things are so much more important than free trips, free toys and clothes. Those little things are what kids remember. The trip to Hawaii will be remembered but playing in the snow and the back yard camping is what will be a bigger, more important memory. Jon and Kate – if you do read these blogs – I can only speak for myself – stop now and take the time to focus on the kids – they don’t need all the fancy things that this show is providing, they just need their Mom and Dad, food on the table, clothes on their backs and a roof over their head . Let them be “normal” kids and you focus on being the best parents you can be. When you started the show it was too capture the moments that you knew you’d be too busy to – you’ve captured them and more. You’ve given the children many memories – heck, you’ve got a few perks for yourself along the way but now is the time to step away. Those children need Mommy and Daddy much more then they need anymore trips and toys. The show isn’t what you intended it to be and hasn’t for a long time. Sorry for such a long post but it’s been building and I thought it was either now or never.

This is totally off point but I did buy the book last weekend and read it all on Friday night. I’ve heard Jon and Kate both say that in the beginning that there were 7 sacs and that the episode before Christmas when she starting bleeding and they performed an ultra-sound, it was down to 6. That was their turning point – when everything changed when they realized they could have lost all the babies. My point – in the book it doesn’t say anything about the original 7 sacs, Kate even goes on to say that after the ultra-sound, “Thank Goodness we have all 6, they’re still there” – not an exact quote. But the book never mentions the 7th and losing it. Does anyone else remember all the talks they gave and that being the first part of their speech?? I’m not completely losing it, am I? Thanks for letting me vent. I’m actually going to post this on both sites. Hopefully one will take pity on a poor first time poster.

Anonymous said...

I think what makes The Roloffs better than the Gosselins is the fact that they use the celebrity status that they get and use it for good and helping out other people with the same disabilities they do.

Look at the episode where Matt goes to the Middle East to visit those children and help them get medical attention that they need. Also one of the first things out of Matts mouth was "I should have brought some games for the kids".

If Kate was in that situation they would be worried about if the hotel she was staying at would give her a full body spa treatment and a million dollars for her visit.

Sasha222 said...

I never really watched LPBW before. I've seen it in passing but never really started watching full episodes till the other night, and the biggest difference between this family and Kon is that the Roloffs still make THEIR OWN LIVING. I'm sure that they could live off the profits of the show and whore themselves like Kon to make big bucks, but some people cannot be that glutinous. Some people cannot stand to sit on their ass and let life go by without doing some hard work.
Sure it would be easier if my husband stopped working and we could live off welfare, get free food, and pay 85 bucks a month for rent, but he just cannot sit on his ass and not work. So instead we struggle. That is just life.
Kon complains that life is so damn hard, but I don't see once bit of hardships in their life except having too many kids. They have a healthy family, lots of money, awesome trips that no regular family could even dream of, and many pretty things. If I were them I wouldn't even utter a single complaint and thank god everyday for it all.
The Roloffts work despite their disabilities (and Matt could get disability and very well deserve having it), and they teach their children a good work ethic. The fact that the show helps Matt's business profit is just fine, cause his business supports his family and it provides a product that helps others. To me there is no comparison between these families and Kon could learn a thing or two from Matt and Amy.

MargaritaHour said...

I've never seen the Roloff's gripe and complain about anything other than what most married couples and families complain about...."Matt's always been a big dreamer!" or "I wish Amy would pick up a little more around the house". We still see typical day-to-day stuff with the Roloff's, but not so much with the Gosselins! With LPBW, we see the daughter planting a garden and her dad AND GRANDMA helping her. With JK9, we see Kate b***hing because Jon is late and he KNOWS she is getting her hair cut and colored today LORDY BE doesn't he ever think about anyone but himself?? With LPBW, we see Amy making sure the boys have enough food and supplies for their overnight camping trip and worried when they're a little late. On JK8, we see Kate recoiling from a hug from Joel because he's got a snotty nose and ewww, don't come near me..."Boys are so icky".

I'd love to see Amy and Kate appear on Wife Swap! lol

Andee said...

This is my first posting, but I read the postings frequently.

I became disenchanted with J&K during the second or third season. It started with the "HELLOOOOOO" episode. All I kept seeing what the parents becoming "celebrities" literally off the sweat of the brows of the children. Children that never asked for, nor obviously enjoy, the lights...camera....action of it all. I saw two people who felt entitled to everything without work, at the sake of their friends and relatives. Without a thank you. I hate to be so cruel, but ungrateful deadbeats.

I disagree with the some of the posters about the Duggars, though.
I don't think Michelle is AT ALL like Kate expecting the older kids to help with the younger. Or expecting them to do chores. How would one set of parents do all the housework and take care of 17 kids? Yes, the kids may work harder than most kids do today. That being said, they are also learning hard work, cooperation, looking out for your fellow man, discipline, managing money so that you don't go into debt, working for what you want.

My sister had to babysit me all the time. We did most of the housework because our parents worked. We also had a farm, and were expected to work on the farm. I can say I have a far better work ethic than most of my co-workers, and I appreciate what I get with my hard-earned money. I am not saying I am wonderful. I am saying what you see as free child labor, to me, is a cooperative family unit.

Anonymous said...

In response to the comment: "The Duggars are no better than the Gosselins at this point. They are only on TV because of the number of kids they have, not because of their "unique" lifestyle."

Have you watched the Duggar reality show? I disagree with your statement with respect to the Duggar family in that 'They are only on TV because of the number of kids they have, not because of their "unique" lifestyle."
The Duggar reality show introduces viewers to much more than the fact that they are a large family consisting of 17 children and one one the way. The Duggars have given viewers an insight to their beliefs and value system that encompasses their 'unique' life style, ie how their conservative beliefs play a role in their value system with respect to dating/courting, the clothing they wear, their frugal lifestyle, and how their religious beliefs play a fundamental role in every aspect of their daily life. The viewer appeal/entertainment factor in the Duggar reality show is not that they have 17 children, viewers already know that; they arent tuning in every week because the Duggar children are entertaining to watch. What draws viewers in and wanting to know more about this family is the 'unique' factor of their lifestyle.

Anonymous said...

I home-school my 8 year old son. Sometimes, we will have the TV on in the background when we are working on science projects or crafts.

When J&K+8 comes on, my son will always notice because of the kids screaming or crying, and he will say, "Oh Mom..it's that show with all the screaming kids and the Mom that complains all the time again....can we change the channel?" He really can't stand that show!

He has also noticed the difference between them, and the Duggar children. He commented that the Duggar children are so much more well behaved, "but Mom...there are so many of them and there is no yelling and crying like those other kids" "and their Mommy NEVER complains.

Out of the mouths of babes! LOL...

Anonymous said...

Matt and Amy Roloff have college degrees and have talked about the twins consistently struggling in school as well as talking to them about college in their futures.

Matt has no college degree. He's even said that he had absolutely no interest in academics. I guess that's why he really doesn't seem to care much about how his kids are doing in school.

That also explains why he has absolutely no knowledge of how to get into college -- and when to start thinking about it (like in kindergarten)!

The National Geographic had an article about Jeremy's racist remarks on MySpace. Matt even had to officially apologize. Supposedly, there used to be similar racist remarks made by Pop (Ron Roloff) on the internet -- which have also been removed.

Anonymous said...

As time goes on we will notice more about the Roloffs and Duggars that we differ with. Thats understandable. But I think the main thing that is different with them and the G's is the love and care they put into raising their families. Each of these families are teaching their children respect for others, either thru caring for siblings and chores or responsibilities with the home. Just because the older children watch over younger ones is not a bad thing. Most families are taught to help out with each other, there are just more of the Duggars to watch. They definitely are not growing up with a me-first attitude. Children from both of these families seem to be happy and well adjusted. Neither are the way my family is, but in some ways I wish we were. There is nothing wrong with hard work, a strong work ethic and responsibility. The D's and R's will probably grow up having known they were always loved and appreciated. The G's will probably not.

Anonymous said...

I've been following this blog for a while. I have 7 kids under age 10 and can understand how difficult life with multiple multiples can be. However, I do not like the shrewishness of Kate. I have twins and I think it's wrong to continue to dress them alike after the toddler years. I think it's important for kids to be kids and be allowed to get messy, be creative, and explore the world. I'm glad my children do not grow up in that family.

However, I think what I hate most about this show and Kate is that Kate represents me on my worst days; the times when I'm stressed to the max and a bit crabby. I like to think on my best days, I'm more like Michele Duggar, sweet and kind and patient.

The sad thing is that while I recognize the times I'm not living up to what I want to be as a parent, Kate doesn't see any problem with the way she behaves. Someday, she'll look back on these episodes and cringe at the way she handled herself.

Ilovemykids said...

The National Geographic had an article about Jeremy's racist remarks on MySpace. Matt even had to officially apologize. Supposedly, there used to be similar racist remarks made by Pop (Ron Roloff) on the internet -- which have also been removed.

Why would the Roloffs be in "National Georgraphic? When you offer "proof" of allegations from other "sources", it's always prudent and honest to provide the link to such article.

Anonymous said...

Have you watched the Duggar reality show?

Yes I have.


The Duggars have given viewers an insight to their beliefs and value system that encompasses their 'unique' life style, ie how their conservative beliefs play a role in their value system with respect to dating/courting, the clothing they wear, their frugal lifestyle, and how their religious beliefs play a fundamental role in every aspect of their daily life

And do you really think they would be on television over living a conservative religious lifestyle if they didn't have 17+ kids? That being religiously conservative and frugal with say, four kids would have marked them as unusual and distinctive? The unique factor of the Duggars is not their rather rigid, conservative lifestyle, but the freak factor of "Hi, I'm Jim Bob and here are my *seventeen kids*. Look at them lined up from youngest to tallest, all wearing the same shirt!"

Now imagine that with just four kids. Think anyone would be watching for the fairly standard conservative religious beliefs and the controlling behavior of the parents?

The Gosselins would not be on tv if they didn't have a freaky number of kids at once. The Duggars would not be on tv if they didn't have a freaky number of children. And the Roloffs wouldn't be on tv if they weren't dwarfs willing to be filmed. If you don't think filming Zach Roloff high on pain drugs in a hospital bed isn't exploiting their son's privacy for profit, I don't know why anything with the Gosselins is considered exploitive. Kids are not monkeys for the camera. I notice that the Roloffs bedroom is offlimits while their four kids sleep on the living room floor with cameras running. With all of these shows, what fine for the kids to put up with is off limits for mommy and daddy. Lets see Jon Gosselin filmed on the toilet if there's nothing wrong with it. Lets see Matt Roloff getting out of bed partly dressed in his private bedroom. Their kids have to put up with it... why shouldn't the parents be pitching in and filming all of their private biological moments if they require that of their children?

Ilovemykids said...

Matt has no college degree. He's even said that he had absolutely no interest in academics. I guess that's why he really doesn't seem to care much about how his kids are doing in school.

While Matt may not have a college degree, he seems to have done well for himself with his multiples businesses and utilizing his farm as a money-making venture. Not everyone is college-material, so to knock Matt for not going to college is wrong.

However, Amy did graduate from college - in fact in a previous episode went back to her alma mater, Central Michigan, to speak on her struggles as little-person college student. Amy does care about her children's academic prowess as can be seen throughout this series.

Anything else, "anonymous"?

lifeoriley said...

Just FYI--I believe it was the National Enquirer--not "Geographic" that had an article concerning Jeremy Roloff's racist remarks on his Myspace page.
I'm not really going to compare shows, per se, but I like Matt and Amy Roloff a little more than the Gosselins. They seem to be more down-to-earth and do have jobs outside of the show. I learned things about little people from their show that I had not known before. I rarely watch the show now, however. I really do not want to watch another home remodel show--boring.
The Duggars have a unique lifestyle and I found it interesting and refreshing to watch the first couple of epidsodes. Now -- not so much.
The G's open themselves up for criticism on so many levels--they seem to tell "untruths" or lies of omission and are frequently hypocritical in their actions. I have a hard time believing anything they say now.
That being said, I have a problem with ALL reality shows that use children as entertainment without giving them at least the legal and financial protection awarded to other child actors and entertainers (even animal performers have more protection). The Gosselins trouble me in particular because of several reasons -- the numerous amount of shows filmed in the past 18 months, the production lighting in the house, extensive traveling with the kids, the privacy issues--bathing, potty shots, dressing and undressing the tups, showing meltdowns and the frequent derisive comments made by one or both parents about the kids' behavior.

Anonymous said...

Matt has no college degree. He's even said that he had absolutely no interest in academics. I guess that's why he really doesn't seem to care much about how his kids are doing in school.

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Neither does Jon Gosselin..nor a job, nor any ambition..Kate was a nurse but quit and it does not appear she will ever work again. How are the Gosselin kids going to get a work ethic or job ambition?? At least the Roloffs work!

Anonymous said...

"in the absence of the children what do J & K possess individually, or collectively that is of a profound interest to viewers"

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Absolutely NOTHING! :)

Anonymous said...

Anything else, "anonymous"?

I am not the same anonymous, but I will answer you.

Parents who are involved and concerned about their children's grades don't remark that perhaps they need to find the twins an easier school if they aren't passing. (Yes, this has been said by a Roloff). Parents who are concerned about the kids grades start giving kids consequences for failing. Matt told Jeremy he would buy him a Camaro if he passed. Jeremy didn't. Jeremy still got a Camaro and a BMW now to go with his truck. Think Jeremy has learned that failing in school brings consequences?

Kids who seem reasonably bright - neither twin strikes me as more than average intellect - who aren't doing well in school need more time with books and less time with friends/cellphones/videogames/camera crews. Anyone with a kid who proudly brags that he's never read a book (yes Jeremy has done this) or has two teen boys who are completely boggled by some fairly basic life skills really need to have a "come to jesus" moment and realize how unprepared their kids are at functioning. Both Jeremy Zach are legally adults and if something happened to the parents and the money, they would be left to fend for themselves and these young men are NOT ready. Thats part of a parents job and one that I rarely see the Roloffs engage in.

Anonymous said...

"How would one set of parents do all the housework and take care of 17 kids? Yes, the kids may work harder than most kids do today."

I honestly believe it's selfish and WRONG to pop out 18 children when you just can't give them the INDIVIDUAL attention that children need.

I'm sorry, but passing off weaned infants to "buddies" doesn't cut it in my book.

The Duggars live in a cult like environment.

The name Jim Bob makes me cringe.

Anonymous said...

I think the Duggar's are a beautiful family. Except for the very young children, they are always smiling. They ALL seem to have wonderful dispositions. The Roloff's; not so happy all the time. Amy is a wonderful mother, but I think Matt is a little thick sometimes. Their children are pretty disrespectful. And their house; what a wreck. Do most American's live like that? As far as the Gosselin's, my mother used to say, people who grew up with nothing can be picky and not easily impressed (not respond appropriatly) as adults. I find that to be true about Kate.

Anonymous said...

I would say the TLC Monday night families all have sponsorships so it doesn't seem fair to pick on the Gosselins for their free trips and such. Duggars and Roloffs seem to have similar money-making schemes, i.e. product placements and paid-for trips.

linda said...

Is it me or does 'anonymous bashing the Roloffs/Duggars' post sound an awful like Kon working way to hard to convince everyone how bad the other shows are.

Anonymous said...

The twins from LPBW are just about adults. And, like their dad, seem to be "hands on" type people. Do and learn. It is plain to see they will probably work with their hands. Mostly Jeremy. He can run just about any type of machine. Where Molly seems more "Book Smart" like her mom. And I would feel the same way about moving the boys to a different type of school. Private Schools, "which they attend" are more academic and that may not be their strong point.

Kate needs to let those kids be with other kids. That is the only way to learn.

And yes the other shows do get products, but J and k seem to have many and it isnt just a few toys...It is very expensive vacations. And I dont like very wealthy people...as they are now...trying to pretend that they are like me. Many times its not what you say but how you say it. J and K rub me the wrong way!! It feels different watching them. And everything that kate says sounds soooooo fake. She is a terrible actor, so why try.

Barbara said...

On the episode where the Roloff's were having the deck installed, the signs promoting the company that installed it were blurred out so to me that means no freebie there. On J&K the product placement is so blatant that my husband who never watches the show, walks through the room, glances at the TV and says, "nice iPhone...way to go Apple." When the Roloff's were on the Oprah, Amy clearly stated that there were certain things that were off limits, mainly Molly's room. Hats off to them for that.

The Roloff kids have real friends. They play sports. They are normal children. Why aren't the Gosselin's in an organized sport or have friends for that matter. Oh wait, I forgot. They're busy.

manya said...

Just a few observations about all of these shows...Kate makes me sick. She's just a b. The Roloff kids are very disrespectful to their parents and need some discipline. The other family with tups (sorry, I can't for the life of me think of their names) seem like the most normal family of all of them. One of their kids is Autistic so that's another hard thing for them that Kate could NEVER deal with. The Duggars aren't so great in my eyes, they make all of the older kids be more of a parent to the little ones that their parents are. By the time they leave home they'll be so sick of parenting that they won't want to do it themselves. I also think that they don't know what the real world is like. They ALL profit from having their lives on tv, as they should have and God Bless them all, I wouldn't want to be in their shoes for anything. All the freebies in the world wouldn't make me want to have so many kids.

Anonymous said...

Sorry -- you know very well that I meant the National Enquirer. Wow!


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2203837/bio

Baffled said...

Anyone interested at all in Jeremy's moronic racist comments need only Google: Jeremy Roloff racism or anything similar.

The comments made by Pop Roloff have been skillfully removed.

Anonymous said...

"I seriously do not believe Jon is working now. I'm beginning to believe that Jon never even worked for Beth Carson's husband, Bob."
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I totally agree with you. I never believed Jon was "going to work for Bob." That was just KON's excuse to explain Jon being at home all the time and not being in his state job in Harrisburg. Maybe Bob asked him to help do some data entry for like a day - but certainly NOT a job. KON lies. No, KON confabulates.

Anonymous said...

Lastly, sorry for being so long, I was randomly watching True Life, I'm a single parent. They had this guy who was 25 and raising 6 kids on his own including two sets of multiples! He has triplet 3 years olds and twin 5 year olds, in addition to custody of his ex wife's 10 year old. His wife had a breakdown and left him with all those kids! Now that's someone struggling with 2 sets of multiples.

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I remember that episode. I would love to see him and the kids on a TLC reality show. HINT! TLC!

Anonymous said...

Is it me or does 'anonymous bashing the Roloffs/Duggars' post sound an awful like Kon working way to hard to convince everyone how bad the other shows are.

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Yes! I always see posts that sound just like KON is writing it

Anonymous said...

Aack. I go to Our Lady of Grace (different state). That does sound perhaps dubious. I can deduct what I give to the food pantry, but that isn't earmarked for one family.

Sasha222 said...

Lastly, sorry for being so long, I was randomly watching True Life, I'm a single parent. They had this guy who was 25 and raising 6 kids on his own including two sets of multiples! He has triplet 3 years olds and twin 5 year olds, in addition to custody of his ex wife's 10 year old. His wife had a breakdown and left him with all those kids! Now that's someone struggling with 2 sets of multiples
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OMG I totally thought the same thing. Now there is a guy who deserves some freebies and "family helpers"! God bless that poor guy. He has such a positive attitude about his situation and really truly absolutely loves all those kids. TLC help him instead of a couple con artists please! Maybe you can gain back some of the respect you lost....

Barb said...

Now here is a wonderful reality show featuring 6 babies. it's full of wholesome goodness and having their lives on camera has not affected them one bit.



It's the puppy cam!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/shiba-inu-puppy-cam

Anonymous said...

Is it me or does 'anonymous bashing the Roloffs/Duggars' post sound an awful like Kon working way to hard to convince everyone how bad the other shows are.

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Yes! I always see posts that sound just like KON is writing it


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Is the comment plagued with grammatical errors, misspellings, made-up words and lots of !!!! ?

Anonymous said...

I am one of the anon posters that dared to speak out against the Duggars.

I can't support popping out 18 children. I also can't understand raising your children to want to just "get married and procreate".

That's just wrong. IMHO.

Anonymous said...

Is it me or does 'anonymous bashing the Roloffs/Duggars' post sound an awful like Kon working way to hard to convince everyone how bad the other shows are.

Please, I dislike the Gosselins, the Roloffs, and the Duggars all together. And partly for different reasons, and partly because all three families are exploiting their children to make a buck.

stopthemaddness said...

Anyone with a kid who proudly brags that he's never read a book (yes Jeremy has done this) or has two teen boys who are completely boggled by some fairly basic life skills really need to have a "come to jesus" moment and realize how

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He is also an arrogant senior. My husband ( who i grew up with) said the same thing over and over again as a football jock, he was just being cocky. I know for a fact that my husband did read a book. I highly doubt that Jeremy has went his whole life not reading a book,he is just being, a .. BOY


AND.. you can not be that "booksmart" but still go on to be successful in another trade and do quite well.

iquit said...

Maybe this could be its own thread. But .... Many of us watch the show BECAUSE we dislike them, and want to post on this site. With the big "wedding spectacular" coming up - i think that we should boycot it.Cant you just see the intervies " Jon and Kate your wedding vows were the HIGHEST rated episode to air on TLC" Lets change it, lets show them that we dont support their actions. If someone here can vow to put the link up to watch it online or something... so we will know what everyone is complaining about.. i just really want to see that " jon and kate this is the lowest rate=ed episode we have ever had" Your fired... what do you think?

Steph said...

they had a big family BEFORE the show even started
So did the Gosselins. Isn’t that why they have the show?

Keep in mind Jeremy is a teenage boy….
As for his grandfather, he raised up two dwarf children into very capable, respectable, adults against all odds.

Age and because someone is a father does not excuse bigotry.

I'd have to respectfully disagree with this. Teenagers will be just as cruel, if not more so.
Agreed!

If its about selling your kids privacy for profit, the Gosselins, the Duggars, and the Roloffs are all guilty
Agreed again! Just because the Gosselins have a more episodes, does not mean that the Duggars and Roloffs aren’t as guilty.

LPBW has NEVER been about this. Anyone who watches the show knows this, so quit trying to put these people into the same category as the Greedy Gosselins. No one buys it.
LPBW had several episodes that revolved around vacations.

I feel that people are giving the Duggars and Roloffs a pass, because compared to the Gosselins they are not as bad. All of the families are profiting somehow from each of their shows.

Personally, I find having 18 kids is irresponsible.

Anonymous said...

I don't really see the Duggars as being all that, IMO, though I do think the Roloffs have a pretty 'normal' family life. I agree that I think it is absurd the amount of work/responsibilities those young Duggar kids (especially the girls --- why do the girls seem to do so much more than the boys??) have. I suppose it's necessary in such a large family, but again IMO, Michelle and Jim Bob CHOSE to have 18 kids, so they can take care of them. Of course the kids should have some chores and help out watching their younger siblings once in a while, but it is constant. I was also truly horrified that the oldest son, who dreamed of going to the University of Arkansas and eventually becoming a lawyer, was instead forced into a going-nowhere job at 16 years old so he could be prepared to marry at age 20??!!! Why?? Why couldn't he just go to the University and get an education and wait until (gasp) his mid-twenties to get married?? If they are going to force all these kids into lives they have no desire for like they did to the oldest, they are going to certainly have some rebels on their hands out of all those kids.

pinkdiamond611 said...

I watch Friday night TLC, What Not to Wear and Say Yes to the Dress. All of a sudden they are using the new theme song to push the "new" family. I wonder what Kate and Jon are saying/thinking when they watch this new commercial.

Anonymous said...

Please post this comment.
Why should Jeremy Roloff get a free pass to make racial slurs and talk about gays. I am refering to the article in the national enquirer. I believe every word of it especially, since Matt Roloff issued a public apology. I will never watch their show again after reading this article. TLC should cancel this show, immediately. In no way should a network tolerate this behavior from any of its participants. Isiah Washington from Greys Anatomy was fired after making a slur about gays. The Roloffs should have their show cancelled. I will write TLC and any other groups because we should all be offeneded by Jeremy Roloffs comments. TLC is stirring away from its original mission of being the learning channel. Instead they showcase people like the Gosselins that use Religion as a means to line their pocket full of money, and exploit their children. Now TLC is supporting Racism. That is how hate crimes get started Jeremy Roloff it starts with people using racial slurrs and then it escalates. I am no longer a fan of the Roloffs. By the way I plan on writing CNN to let them know what kind of people TLC supports.

Steph said...

Take off your rose-colored glasses and really think to yourself why?
I could say the same to you in regards to the rose-colored glasses.

I have never been a fan of the Gosselins, but I also don't think that other family shows are any better.

Anonymous said...

Not everyone is college-material, so to knock Matt for not going to college is wrong.

I don't think the writer was knocking Matt for not going to college. She (?) was merely responding to the writer why had said that both Matt and Amy went to college.

I'm trying to figure out why you're so defensive. Do you even remember the sailboat/w. crew in the Bahamas that must have cost $1500 per day? Sure, that's really a normal little vacation.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars were ripped on Best Week Ever. The Roloffs were not...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNUpJOIj8Fw

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