For Better or Worse - Recap

On this episode of Jon and Kate Plus 8! Jon and Kate remark how grateful they are at all the freebies they have been given over the years, and then explain how they've reconciled with their estranged family members while simultaneously deciding the kids have had enough of living their lives in front of the cameras, so this will be the last ever episode of this madness. (Continue)

Submitted by Dew.

150 comments:

Sharla said...

Psyche! Really on this episode, the most lavish ridiculous free vow renewal ceremony ever to be put together for the most undeserving couple in the history of reality TV. Are you ready for this?

Credits roll. I can finally tell Leah and Alexis apart! Yea! Alexis has developed a rounder, pixie looking face and Leah has a more narrow face. I feel like that was the last thing that needed to happen before this show can be cancelled, me being able to tell those two apart. Feel free any time now, TLC.

The family is still taking advantage of everything free offered at their gorgeous resort in Hawaii. They show a few clips from their first wedding, where Jon is a very handsome 20-something and Kate's voice is about three pitches higher than it is now. Can you imagine Kate saying all the crap she does now, only with a much higher voice? Thank goodness for small favors.

Kon annoyingly continues to call it a wedding and a remarriage, which it is not. We've been waiting four long, torturous episodes for this. They knock their first wedding again and how it wasn't good enough. They blame their family members for this, again. Who by the way, paid for it all, as they have said before.

Kon meets with a wedding planner. In the olden days people used to plan weddings themselves, but now if you're even remotely cool you spend a gazillion on a wedding planner. Or, TLC does, if you have your own show. No, it's not Jennifer Lopez for any husbands/boyfriends who are forced to watch this show. She's some older gal named Gail with an all-business haircut. I'm sure she is great at what she does.

While Jon and Kate are at the meeting, the kids are off playing with Jenny. Just Jenny watching all those kids? Wow, I'm impressed. And surprised that they are comfortable leaving eight kids this rowdy under the care of one person barely out of college. Of course the kids are walking all over her, throwing yogurt wrappers on the ground, storming off and the like. I know Jenny is trying very hard and I'm sure she's a nice girl/production assistant, but she truly has no control whatsoever.

They all meet for the rehearsal at some chapel. Kate explains to Gail that Mady wants to stand up with her and be her maid of honor. "Wants to?" Mady replies saucily, rolling and fluttering her eyes. "Wants to???" Oh my God, I love that child! Mady clarifies for Kate that just so she knows she doesn't WANT to take part in any of this bullshit, let alone be the maid of honor. Has this girl been invited to post at GWOP yet?

Aaden's buzzcut is getting a little longer on top. He looks just like a little miniature Marine. You can't handle the truth! Kate complains she and Jon don't kiss enough on the show. Um, really, that's okay. She's taken to stroking his cheek. It's creepy, but at least she isn't battering him then turning around and putting the kids in time out for hitting.

Commercials. Hey, there's some new family with TWO sets of twins and a set of sextuplets. I bet that's got Kon squirming. And maybe even wondering if any fertility doctors might take them on again.

We're back. Jon says the real purpose of coming to Hawaii was to get married. That's funny, I thought it was to take advantage of a free resort and spa. Jon is handing out bread to the kids. Crust of bread, glass of water: They probably think that's how the children would be eating if they didn't have this show to support them. Jon actually picked out a very nice, not very busy Hawaiian shirts for the boys. Jon is a bit of a metro, isn't he? Hey, that's cool. I like that.

Jenny is still looking after the kids, playing around with them, teasing Collin under a blanket and cute stuff like that. Hannah is holding her hand. "Jenny, here is your coat!" Alexis cries sweetly as she holds it up. Jenny explains actually she doesn't need it today. They are starting to really bond it seems, which makes me sad because let's face it, Jenny's days are so drastically numbered in this family.

The girls head down to the spa for pedicures. Kate is starting them early. To her credit, Kate lets them pick any color they want. You can see how much happier and relaxed these kids are when Kate isn't dictating every single aspect of their lives. Mady especially. She picks blue. If only Kate had had this same attitude when Alexis was painting her clay dog purple awhile back. Maybe Kate's actually learning something here, like purple dogs are great, and blue nail polish is too, if it's your kid who wants it. Everything goes well at the spa. And I think it's exactly because Kate wasn't controlling them.

Meanwhile Jon meets up with some of his relatives, and it's strangely awkward. He won't look them in the eyes and he's stumped for what to say. I don't know what to make of that, other than that I guess he hasn't seen them in ages? Kon just doesn't know how to describe these relatives other than with words like "cute" and "little." I bet they think that's what older people have to offer for the most part. Coming up, Mady continues to try with all her might to derail this wedding/vow renewal. Go get 'em, sister!

We're back. The boys are running around in briefs. They are almost five. Enough said. Scott the cameraman, who apparently is their best friend we have learned, is interacting and teasing with the boys. Back at the spa, the girls are getting their hair curled. Mady says defiantly she doesn't want to get her hair done. Kate mightily bites her tongue and says that's fine. Hallelujah. I honestly think the more Kate doesn't freak at Mady's outbursts and pretends they're no big deal, the less Mady will feel the need to behave this way. Cara is truly a very pretty little girl. She has a face any artistic photographer would love to shoot if they could only get her to be more expressive. It's too bad she looks so solemn and droopy all the time. Kate's hair looks very nice I must say. More of Jon's relatives arrive, who are also "cute," apparently. It's similarly awkward. One of them acts uncomfortable and nervous, like he's meeting Tom Cruise or something. Hey, relax! It's just Kon, Uncle Lee. Hey, if you want their autograph you better be prepared to come up with twenty bucks. Cash only. Kate refers to her first wedding as, brace for it…."Whatever." Seriously, she does. "Whatever"!!! I think if I paid a dime for her first wedding I would only be happy if she had two black eyes right now.

Am I the only one who thinks it's a little strange to tell four-year-olds over and over again that you and Daddy promise to stay married forever? I feel like this should be a given in the average four-year-old's innocent little world. It's sort of like telling your little kids all the time, "Some mommies and daddies get cancer and DIE, but we eat healthy and exercise so that won't happen to us!" Yikes. Commercials. Twins, twins and sextuplets! Be afraid, Kon. Be very afraid.

This is it, the moment we've been waiting for. Or the moment TLC hopes we've been waiting for. I suspect a lot of viewers actually gave up after they kept falsely advertising episode after boring long episode as the "big event." The kids hold hands and walk down the aisle, among a few second cousins twice removed that TLC has scrounged up to fill the seats. I'm not sure I believe these people are all Jon's relatives. I think they could easily be extras paid fifty bucks a day. Especially that guy in the poker player-ish sunglasses. He doesn't seem very Gosseliny. Besides half of Hawaii could be related to Jon anyway if you're going to dig that far back into the family tree. Even so there are not 30 people here like Kon said there would be. Maybe eighteen, tops. Half of whom look like production. No Aunt Jodi, no Beth, no Beth and Jodi's kids. Nobody who has been there for them throughout all this is in attendance, even though TLC had no problem sending them on lots of other trips before. Hmm, explain that please, Kon.

As the ceremony begins, the kids are out of control. Jenny can't calm them down of course. Seriously, four-year-olds and almost eight-year-olds can't be quiet for ten minutes? Nope, not these kids. Ridiculous and embarrassing. Mady I'm SURE knows better. I think she is purposely just talking right over the minister, just you know to cause trouble and make Kate mad. But you should be able to take a four-year-old, much less a seven-year-old to a wedding and have them hush for just a small amount of time. Jenny takes them over to sit in the front row, and they can't even stay still there. They're swinging their legs like all of the electricity in Hawaii depends on their movement. This is really pathetic. And now I know why a lot of people pass on having their cute little niece and nephew be part of their wedding party. It's not cute at all if they decide to behave like this.

Jon's vows would be so sweet if I didn't know they were about Kate. Jon promises to ask her when she needs help, since Kate always complains he doesn't. As so many of us have said time and time again, the reason Jon doesn't ask is because he's usually already on it. If Kate would just open her eyes she would realize that from day one Jon has kept this family together, pulling his weight more than one would ever ask or expect from a husband and father. Honestly, most fathers I have been around consider working to be their contribution to the family and don't usually do much more beyond that. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But there was a time when Jon worked AND in addition did a bunch of stuff mothers traditionally do, like getting the kids up, bathed, dressed and ready for the day, to name just a few. If Jon were a mean person, he would make Kate promise to get off her plastic chair/throne and ask him when HE needs help. But since his balls are as good as dangling from a Christmas tree somewhere, he never will. Once again I wonder how nice a life Jon could have with these kids if he gave Kate the boot. One can dream.

Kate's vows are similarly sweet. She almost sounds like she appreciates Jon. She promises to be more patient. I want to believe her, truly. For the sake of her entire family. I actually get a little emotional here, because honest to God, I feel very, very sorry for this family sometimes. They don't get it. A wedding (vow renewal!) doesn't make your marriage stronger or prove to your kids that you're solid. It's the day to day living together, growing together, respecting each other and being kind to one another, that reassures kids you are in this for the long haul. That's how my parents did it, and they are going on almost thirty years now. It never crossed my mind anything was wrong with their marriage. When all my friends' parents were getting divorced, it was a given in my mind my parents would always be together. Kids can sense when a relationship is genuine and when it's just an act, believe me. Kate and Jon, unfortunately, have shown their kids through their actions that the pair of them are divisive, they don't respect each other, they don't stand as a unit, they constantly undermine each other, and they are even physically violent. The kids are going to internalize THAT stuff, not some lavish freak show meant for the cameras that a four-year-old is not likely to even remember, hate to break it to them. Meanwhile their security guard is in the background keeping the commoners away from this spectacle. Oh, you want to be an extra? Can you play a cute little family member? Great, have a seat! Kate says she wants to spend 90 years with Jon, which she explains is a play on nine years. Huh??? Jon says. Yeah I know, Jon. But it's Kate. Just don't question it and save us the agony.

The children put leis on Jon and Kate. I think the girls and Mady were supposed to give theirs to Jon and the boys and Cara to Kate, but of course most of the children gave theirs to Jon. For many reasons not all that surprising, most of them clearly prefer him. And as I've said before, I do feel slightly sorry for Kate for that. But if Kate got up with the kids every morning, was there for every bath, every breakfast, drove them to school, tucked them in every night, she might just get a few more leis.

Commercials (TWINS TWINS AND SEPTUPLETS, KATE!), and we're back! Jon's family is still cute, Kate says. Okay, they kind of are. She said they were excited to meet her. That sounds conceited even though I don't think she meant it to. Actually, I bet you some of them were more curious than anything. As in, is this shrew really like this in real life? Yes Virginia, there is a Kate Gosselin.

They have a gorgeous reception outside with a ton of great food, music, decorations. The cake is…absolutely…beautiful. It has purple and light green flowers sticking out everywhere. There are Bible verses inscribed on the side of the cake. I wonder what those say. Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the Lord? Hehe, just playin'.

TLC desperately tries to make the reception look big, but really it's about three tables. At one point when they are eating cake I literally counted only eleven relatives/extras left. The poker player is gone, and I don't see half the people we met before. They're probably union or something and demanded overtime once it got dark. TLC forked over the money for the rights to play IZ's "Wonderful World" which truly is a very beautiful song. Normally it makes me cry. Normally. Kate and Jon dance about as awkwardly as I did with my cousin when he got married to my very nice cousin-in-law. We had practically grown up together and he was more like a brother to me than anything. It's just weird to dance with someone when you have a history like that. Commercials. My God Kate, how exhausted would you be if you had twins, twins AND sextuplets???

We're back. What's a free trip to Hawaii without some free golfing? Jon went golfing with a few random relatives. That seems fun. I don't really golf although I wish I did. It always seemed too expensive to me, between the equipment and the course fees. Also I feel like I will stink at it and I'm too afraid to try. This is truly so very boring.

It's finally time to leave Hawaii. Jon was really sad to pack up and leave. Maybe enough hinting and someone will donate them a second home in Hawaii? Worth a try. Oh, no, just when I thought I could tell Alexis and Leah apart, now I'm not so sure. I think it's Leah is showing Kate her stuffed leopard "Dusty." He has a little hole in him, which Kate promises to sew up when they get home. She even puts a little bracelet on him. She certainly treats Dusty a lot more loving than she did Collins' toy Duck. Probably because Dusty is a girl.

We recap this whole long letdown with a bunch of clips from the highlights of the trip while Wonderful World plays again. They're really getting their money's worth out of that song. There's a funny part where one of the girls tries to put a lei over Aaden's head. For whatever reason he doesn't want this, so he pushes it back up violently. Heh.

No trip is complete without throwing in some not-so-subtle hints about how they would love to do something similar again. They thank their luxury hotel which furnished most of this free stuff, or crap. And then strangely Kate insists the kids ask about them all the time. I'm sorry, that is unhealthy. They are hotel workers. I'm sure they are nice people but there is no reason the children need to get attached. Of course these kids really tend to cling to anyone and everyone who throws them a bone, so I’m not surprised. The hotel was so accommodating, Kate insists. She always uses that word. As if she has a family of paraplegics instead of eight sweet, relatively normal, healthy kids. I wonder how she thinks hotels "accommodate" the usual football teams, conferences, family reunions and the like.

My Tivo cuts off, mercifully. Was there a on the next Jon and Kate? Pray tell this God awful season is finally over? The kids get to spend a few days just hanging out at home without being dragged all over the country living every moment of it in front of the cameras? One can hope.

Smiley8066 said...

Didn't you find it strange that Kate insisted she allowed the girls to pick out whatever pedi colors they wanted, but there seemed to be quite a lot of forced "how about this color" from her. She asked the kids to reconsider their colors many times. I highly doubt Mady got her blue, and the pale, boring peach color Hannah supposedly picked out? Not likely that was a 4 year old's first choice.

However, the girls looked absolutely beautiful at the ceremony. Worth watching the episode just to see them so gorgeous in my opinion.

Ravello said...

Dew, thanks for a great recap on the sham vow renewal or whatever they are calling it. Too bad the Grand Wailea hosted KON instead of a wounded war veteran or some other deserving person.

Could Leah be any cuter?

Anonymous said...

Kate is a control freak. She pretends to let the girls pick what they want, but in the end it's Kate who decides.

The girls did look nice in their dresses, but their shoulder straps were constantly falling down.

Kate's dress was another story. It looked big and made her look pregnant. I think she could have found something better.

Lesa said...

Twins, twins and sextuplets! Be afraid, Kon. Be very afraid.

LOVE IT!!!!

Anonymous said...

Did anyone noticed how snarky Kate's favorites, Cara and Hannah were to Leah, this episode? Cara to Leah while getting her hair curled, and Hannah practically telling Leah to go away because she was playing with Aaden? Leah seems like the smart one, perhaps she's so smart she's annoying? She and Mady are still my favorites.

Anonymous said...

I gotta say, my husband of 31 years was always very involved with our three children. (Jon did not invent being a father) He started the day we brought my oldest home 29 years ago and continues to be an involved dad. He worked night work and I worked part-time during the day so the kids didn't have to go to a sitter. He went to all their school plays, coached their sports teams, dried their tears and put bandaids on their boo-boos. Sorry but not all dads just work. Besides, Jon Gosselin doesn't go to work either.

Lesa said...

After I read all the posts, I go back and watch the episode again, because most of the time I've missed some of the things that people are posting about.
I noticed a couple of things during the "wedding". Check-out Cara during the ceremony. She stands behind Jon, with her head down. She could care less.
And then when the kids are giving the leis to their parents, Hannah is standing in front of Jon and he says, Just give it to me. It's ok.
She puts the flowers around Jon's neck and then pouts because she wanted to give them to her mommy.
And I think "whatever" is one of the main words in Kate's vocabulary. She says "whatever" about a lot of things. "Our first wedding was 'whatever'".
About Iz, "I knew he was Hawaiian and "whatever'".
"It was fine the kids were just around and 'whatever'".
When you are just going through the motions to get the freebies, it's a good way to describe things, I guess.

Sarah said...

"Kate complains she and Jon don't kiss enough on the show. Um, really, that's okay. She's taken to stroking his cheek. It's creepy, but at least she isn't battering him then turning around and putting the kids in time out for hitting."

Remember, "Their life is the show, and the show is their life"

So I'm sure this goes much deeper. then just "On the show". Why would he want to kiss her. I wouldn't even want to look at her.

Did anyone else notice during the interview, Jon was talking about his family, and said something about how it was nice to hear stories about his mom, and Kate laughed evily in the background...ugh! Even if you have bad feelings towards family, why do that? It's middle school drama!

Oh, and Kate didn't let the girls pick nail color. One of the girls picked a bright pink and Kate said "That's too loud, lets find something else!". So yeah, that's not exactly letting them pick what they want.

Anyone want to take a guess on what would happen to the children if (God forbid! that would be awful!)anything were to happen to Jon and Kate. It seems they could be running out of options. Which is sad. I would hate to have that kind of insecurity.

This episode bothered me the most. Jon was kind of rude to his family. Just saying hi, not at all friendly. Of course, these people are total strangers... They did have family, and friends, but once they offended Princess Kate, it was off with their heads. I'm sad that they use their kids as weapons.

Anyone else read the comments from the last blog post? A person that was invited to the 2nd wedding posted about how Kate included a list of acceptable gifts in with the invite... CLASSY!

Oh, and if any family are reading, we are sorry! How sad to only be able to watch your grandchildren, cousins, nieces, and nephews on a TV show. We hope one day that Jon and Kate will see the error of their ways, and change, for the good of everyone, but mostly for the kids.

Anonymous said...

I agree w/the previous poster I also noticed how snotty Hannah and Cara were to Leah! Hannah is so unbelievably pouty when she doesn't get to be in Kate's arms immediately, I really think it's the result of being appointed the supposed "golden" child growing up. I'll take Mady over Hannah any day.

Oh, and that's not Leah who was concerned about Dusty, it's Alexis. Leah has a really impish cute little smile and her eyes crinkle up a little whereas Alexis has a wider smile and her whole face tends to light up with delight. I think her eyes are also a bit more wider set and she has lighter hair.

I thought it was really awkward to watch Jon & Kate with these relatives they have always wanted to meet ... second cousins and one man said he hadn't seen Jon in 20 years. Clearly they haven't wanted to meet that badly.

Anonymous said...

With out a doubt, Jon's favorite part of the Hawaii fiasco was playing golf on the wonderful Hawaii golf course.

Kate had imagined just how her wedding would go. The kids would walk ahead, boy and girl, boy and girl, boy and girl. The big kids somewhere too, can't remember that part.

But Kate had it all layed out in her mind. It would be so wonderful, so well choreographed, so beautiful. To the little kids this event was no different than the gajillion times they had been taped already in their young lives. No different than the Good Housekeeping cover thing, no different than Disneyland, no different than every thing they had done up to this time. These four-year-old kids have no concept of what is going on.

My favorite was watching those little cuties dancing. I think it was Collin and Hannah that did such a sweet little twirl.

I remember, when the I began watching, Jon got up early and changed diapers on all six tups. It seems like he dressed them too, maybe. Anyway, he did so much and was such a sweet and patient young dad. I miss those times. Jon has turned into a darn fashion creep.

When they went to the Oprah show it made me gag when he told "the camera" that he wanted to wear designer jeans, and then showed them to us. Oh good grief, such tripe. Once again, Jon and Kate, we watch the show to see those precious little kids of yours. You, not so much.

Anonymous said...

What a boring, pathetic and lifeless wedding! The bride and groom had NO sparkle in their eyes. The "guests" were nothing more than seat fillers...and they could not even get all of them filled! Just proves, you can have all the money in the world, but if you do not have family and friends, you have nothing.

katydid620 said...

OH MY GOODNESS!!! I have never posted here before. I just started coming here and must say I get a chuckle out of all of you. But by far this is the best recap of the show. I laughed out loud through the whole thing! You are a wonderful writer and hit the nail right on the head!!!

Dew said...

"I gotta say, my husband of 31 years was always very involved with our three children. (Jon did not invent being a father."

I didn't mean that Jon invented being a father, although I do find his participation in his children's lives to be at the high end for involved fathers. There are many fathers like him, and there are many other fathers not nearly so involved who expect their wives to do everything Jon usually does. While I don't condone his participation in this show, we have seen him time and again diligently doing just about everything that needs to be done for the kids. Aside from seeing Kate cooking and maybe doing hair from time to time, it is Jon who always does the bulk of everything.

I guess my point was Kate complains Jon doesn't help her, and I never understood why. Because I see him helping her all the time. She doesn't appreciate what he does whatsoever, which I find irritating. Because quite honestly the way Jon is so involved with the nitty gritty of the children, I think in that respect alone he's actually a fine example for fathers. He could have easily said when he was working, Kate you're the stay at home mom you start doing some of this stuff. But instead he happily did the bulk of the childcare himself. It honestly ticks me off when she complains he doesn't help her or sits around, because when has that EVER happened? The woman is quite dillusional about his role in the family.

SamanthaGrace said...

Mady did get her blue nail polish...I'm pretty sure they showed a close-up of her toenails being painted.
Lexi will always be my favorite. She's just so adorable! I loved the scene with "Dusty"...I'm guessing her "Aldergator" couldn't fit on the plane.
What's with Cara these days? I'll admit, I've missed the last few eps before this one--the packing ep, the SD trip, and the 1st week in Hawaii--so maybe I missed something. But she just seems so sad all the time. And I couldn't believe the way she talked to Leah. That was so not cool. But you can't tell me that her whole attitude is because they're being filmed. The other kids don't act like that.

vipersue said...

Great recap. I still can't get over the episode when they were still in the airport in Pa and Jon was refusing to "lead" Kate and they were doing their usual bitching at each other. Jon said something to the effect of I'm over you, I'm not going to listen to anything you say the rest of this trip. This is the kind of things the kids hear on a day to day basis not some fake We'll be together forever vows. Those kids may be young but they aren't stupid.

potsysmom said...

I didn't watch the show yet, but I think you might be just a bit too harsh on the children and their behavior. Don't judge how they behaved at the ceremony itself. They had probably been up all day being poked, prodded, primped, curled, fluffed and folded. By this time they just wanted a hot dog and the chance to run around and be kids.

Hawaii-bound said...

Did anyone notice the Comcast Fancast commercial for J&K during this ep? Gag me with a spoon. Another site I won't be visiting!

Ravello said...

"Twins, twins and sextuplets! Be afraid, Kon. Be very afraid.'

Dew, best line ever on this blog. It would be a great banner.

When will Kate interact with her beautiful sons? Why is it always about Hannie?

Anonymous said...

Kate did let most of the girls pick what color they wanted for their pedicures, but they did show that one girl (can't remember who) picked a color and Kate put it back saying it was too bright! That's not letting the girl have the color she wanted.

This was the most boring, crock-of-$*#% episode to date. The big "event"???!?! I can't believe I sat through the whole thing. Hopefully they stop filming soon and those kids will barely remember it... oh... except for those boxed DVD sets that have every embarrassing moment on them.

Sara said...

It's funny how we saw Jodi and/or Beth go on every single trip with them (Disney, Utah, Martha, Oprah, etc.), or babysitting the kids while they went on expeditions to speaking engagements or cosmetic surgery appointments, but they wouldn't be there for a vow renewal. That speaks loudly and clearly about what family actually means to them. How can Jon and Kate expect the kids to know that they'll be together forever when they have so readily deleted everyone else from their lives?

On another note: when Jon & Kate did the Gosselins Go West episode, they met with an attorney to create a will. They said there were two families that were willing to take all eight kids together, and they would be the guardians if something ever happened to them. It's pretty obvious that the "two families" were Bob & Beth and Kevin & Jodi. Who will get them now? Jen the Producer? Scott the Cameraman? The staff at the Grand Wailea?

Granny said...

Seems to me that TLC doesn't give a hoot as to how the public views Jon and Kate. All they care about are the ratings and as long as people are watching, regardless of why, the ratings stay up and they make money. They don't care what all the negative attention will do to those children when they are old enough to see it for themselves. TLC could edit out some of the negative but they don't, they emphasize it. Jon and Kate are fools for allowing this to continue on and all for a buck!
Another thing that bugs me is some people actually look to Kate for parenting advice, geesh..I wouldn't let Kate come near my children let alone take advice from her. She isn't exactly walking in wisdom..a wise woman and mother would listen to those close to her (family members) who have shown her children unconditional love and she would hear the truth spoken in love to her and make the necessary changes.IMO...

HW said...

Kate included a list of acceptable gifts? Oh my gawd!!

The classy thing to do would be to includ a note that said "We have been so blessed with everything we need (and more) your presence is our gift..."

But wait, that would mean being selfless. Enough said.

casey123 said...

First time posting here. As I watched this episode, I thought of the Dilley family and remembered how Becky Dilley sold her engagement ring when the family was in financial need. Yet, this couple who had a perfectly lovely first wedding needs to have a Hawaiian vow renewal?!! TLC is disgusting. With foreclosures, unemployment and financial disaster at an all-time high, we need the Gosselins and all their first-class perks shoved down our throat! No, it was not about love, it was about being "accomodated" as Kate loves to say. Done, Done, Done, no more Gosselins for me.

moi said...

Lesa said..."Check-out Cara during the ceremony. She stands behind Jon, with her head down. She could care less."

Cara is breaking my heart, lately. Especially in that God-forsaken "wedding" ad that has been in the TV guide, People mag, and a ton of other places. In that pic, the whole family is in their vow-renewal garb, out on the lawn in Hawaii.

Jon and Kate have their plastic smiles smacked on. A few kids are smiling but most are not. Mady is looking at her feet sullenly.

But Cara is looking right into the camera with eyes that, if I didn't know better, were mostly likely tearing up shortly before or after the pic was taken. No trace of a smile, corners of her mouth downturned, powerless.

Wake up, Jon and Kate. You're doing more damage than you'd ever allow your proud selves to admit.

Corinne said...

On another note: when Jon & Kate did the Gosselins Go West episode, they met with an attorney to create a will. They said there were two families that were willing to take all eight kids together, and they would be the guardians if something ever happened to them. It's pretty obvious that the "two families" were Bob & Beth and Kevin & Jodi. Who will get them now? Jen the Producer? Scott the Cameraman? The staff at the Grand Wailea?
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I think Kevin and Jodi would still take them. They love the kids, they're just done with the J&K drama.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but I don't think Mady is a "hoot." People have made excuses for Mady's bad behavior but I cannot excuse it. She was downright rude, disrespectful, and mean. If my daughter had acted that way I would have crawled into a hole and cried. Kate seemed to shrug it off!

Oh, and one more thing...If Kate strokes Jon's face one more time I may vomit. I see that it bothers other people too?

Dupree said...

Um, I stopped watching the show long ago, but read the blog here occasionally. I've never really felt annoyed by th financial stuff and freebees and trips that the Gosselins get. My beef was with the kids being filmed all the time. Anyway, something in this post tipped me over the edge. Guest to this wedding were expected to bring GIFTS???? WHAT?? I've never heard of gifts at a vow renewal before. Never mind a destination renewal where the family got almost everything for free. How could they accept gifts for this? I'm flabbergasted.

ashley said...

I find it funny that Kate left all the kids with Jenny because Kate has said numerous times that 8 kids and one parent is not safe, that was the whole reason she needed a nanny. It makes me think that there are other nannies we dont even know about.

Anonymous said...

potsysmom said...
I didn't watch the show yet, but I think you might be just a bit too harsh on the children and their behavior. Don't judge how they behaved at the ceremony itself. They had probably been up all day being poked, prodded, primped, curled, fluffed and folded. By this time they just wanted a hot dog and the chance to run around and be kids.

That's the whole problem! This isnt the first time the Gosselin children have been 'poked, prodded, primped, curled, fluffed and folded'. The above mentioned is more a part of the Gosselin children's daily lives then running around and just being kids!

WhitneySmith said...

And I couldn't believe the way she talked to Leah. That was so not cool. But you can't tell me that her whole attitude is because they're being filmed.

No I don't believe that it is the filming either. Filming doesn't help. But I think that even if the family were normal without the cameras some of the children would still act that way, since Kate acts that way. I don't believe its by fault of the children in this particular case. Kate is just a bad example for them to follow.

It's pretty obvious that the "two families" were Bob & Beth and Kevin & Jodi. Who will get them now? Jen the Producer? Scott the Cameraman? The staff at the Grand Wailea?

Perhaps the will is still intact. Its possible that it could have been changed but I'm having a hard time believing that idea. And if it hasn't been changed then the kids will go to one of those families. A will is a legal document that can't be broken even if Kate kicked the families out of their daily life.

Jon and Kate don't strike me as intelligent people who would think of revising their will (as you should) on a regular basis to make sure that you still agree with everything you decided upon.

Plus, if they were to revise it. I don't believe that any attorney in their right mind would be okay with them switching it from a perfectly good family member to a camera man.

Anonymous said...

I was under the impression that Beth and Bob were friends of J & K.
Past episodes featured the J & K Gosselin family BBQ'ing and hanging out at Beth and Bob's and even had their Gosselin annual family photo taken on the Beth and Both property. J & K had entrusted Beth and Both to care for the children on numerous occassions.
Why is is that Beth and Bob were not cordially invited to the J & K vow renewal event? #1 Im sure Beth and Bob could have paid for their own travel accomodations. #2 J & K have said that Beth and Bob 'truly love them' so why were they exempt from being in attendance at the vow renewal ceremony, but the family they had never met were? From the looks of things, there was plenty of room for all!

Anonymous said...

After seeing the video of KON first wedding ceremony how on Earth can they say this one was better and all they dreamed of. This epi was the stuff of nightmares.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the older girls get picked on in school on the way their parents act toward one another and this may have spawned the "we are together FOREVER" mantra from teh episode. Its pretty clear that the older ones must take a real emotional bruising somewhere, probably at school. Everyone constantly remarks on Mady's behavior, but in a lot of ways I find Cara's much more troubling. She has definitely withdrawn herself and seems quite unhappy most of the time. it is so sad to watch. I doubt she is Mommy's helper anymore, the way Kate used to brag in earlier episodes. Now Cara is with Dad and the boys...which shows everyone how Kate feels about her now..

ashley said...

anon 7:02,

Most mothers would be appalled at Madys behavior however do most mothers behave like Kate....NO they dont. Mady (and all the other children) are only showing what really goes on in that house, they behave that way because that the example they got, and are still getting.

Anonymous said...

To answer your questions (about Beth and Bob) this is because Kon have a practice of axing people out of their life. Consider this a standard answer for anyone else who mysteriously and suddenly disappears without any explanation.

Anonymous said...

A history review - believe its been
almost a year since Beth & Bob, and
Jodi and Kevin have been in the good graces of the g's.

Moons in Leo said...

Once again I would like to say that I appreciate these hilarious recaps so that I don't actually have to watch the show.

Whether or not Jodi and Kevin and Beth and Bob are out of their lives thanks to Kate, I am sure that if anything happened to Kon, they would be more than happy to take the kids en masse. Then the children would have some chance at growing up normally.

Hmmmmm...

Anonymous said...

Some history: Beth and Bob, Kevin and Jodie have been out of the g's
good graces since last spring.
The only thing consistent is change. IMO, the wedding guests were paid rent a relative- if one rents for a wedding - surely, they will also rent pallbearers later on.
Let's hear from Jennie, Jodie, Julie, Beth and their new neighbors.

SeveredEyeballs said...

It erks the snot out of me when I hear the way Kate rips on thier first wedding. That ceremony was freakin' GORGEOUS!!!! I would LOVE to have had a "whatever" wedding like that instead of going to the courthouse and having a Justice of the Peace say "Congratulations, you're married. No go see the clerk at the front desk and she will validate your parking..."

KON are a couple of superficial, materialistic egomaniacs.

Anonymous said...

I found it incredibly irritating that the kids (and especially Mady) couldn't be still and quiet for 10 minutes during the Wedding. But then again, Kate never teaches them how to control themselves so why should I expect any different. How embarrassing!

highondegrassi said...

"Oh, and one more thing...If Kate strokes Jon's face one more time I may vomit. I see that it bothers other people too?"

Yes! Isn't that creepy? Why is she doing that...it's like her replacement for slapping him. the PR people must have told her to knock it off. So now she pets his face like a dog. I did her smack him in the leg once, but no biggie. I guess she couldn't help herself.

I don't blame Mady for talking to Kate the way she does. Yes, she's a brat but she's got Kate's number.

Anonymous said...

J & K made certain to bring mention to the fact that per their original wedding plan to take place in Hawaii, there was an issue of family members not willing to travel to Hawaii, thus the change in plans. However, J & K felt no need to provide a reason why 'certain' family members and loved ones were obviously not in attendance for their vow renewal ceremony in Hawaii. IMO, it was the intent of J & K to leave the viewers with the assumption that family and loved ones were equally invited to their vow renewal ceremony in Hawaii, but once again would not agree to travel. Or, their invite was 'lost in the mail'.

Anonymous said...

As far as Beth and Bob:
I know the interns and pa's over at TLC make reports on this blog and KON would have made a point to mention if Beth and Bob were invited, but just couldn't make it to prve to naysayers that they don't cut people out of their lived...because they're just that shallow.

Now, can someone clear this up for me?
When did the 'wedding/remarriage/renewal' actual film? The alleged relative that attended and posted claims it was filmed last year? If that's the case then I'm sorry, we can't fault them for TLC airing it at such an financially inappropriate time for Americans...
be that as it may, KON really needs to pack it in and let the kids be kids and stop riding TLC's and the children's coattails!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Some history: Beth and Bob, Kevin and Jodie have been out of the g's
good graces since last spring.
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I’m confused; Beth was the co-author to their book that was published Oct 14, 2008? I have not read the book but how is she out of their lives if she co-authored a book that was recently published? Can anyone explain this, I really want to know.

Just because she is not on the show does not mean anything other than she may not want to be on the show…although I am speculating, they may actually be out of their lives now, only they would know for sure, the rest is conjecture. For example, I may not wish my personal life on TV that does not mean that if one of my close friends was on TV I would cut them off or they would cut me off. I would just see them during the times they are not filming, simple as that. In TLC’s case they only film the show, on and off, for 3 month for the year. And we only see a few hours, total, of that year’s life… it's not much to go on to comment on their personal relationships, beliefs, parenting skills, or anything else IMO.

ava said...

I saw a photo of the cake on a webpage and wrote down the verses. I wanted to see what they actually said.

Isaiah 40:31:
31but they who wait for the LORD shall renew their strength;
they shall mount up with wings like eagles;
they shall run and not be weary;
they shall walk and not faint.

Psalm 127:2:
2 It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows: for so he giveth his beloved sleep.

(I don't get why that was used-unless I wrote down the numbers wrong)

Psalm 139:13-15
13 For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you,when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth.

This last one had referenced on the cake parts a on the verses, but I don't think it was that way.

Still not sure about the 2nd layer verse. That was for Cara and Mady. Is she using the one about vain and getting up early and such against them?

Ava said...

OK, I did write down the wrong verst on the 2nd tier. It was verse 3. The TLC website had it.

The Wedding Cake: Jon and Kate chose a mango cake with vanilla frosting. (Kate insisted on vanilla frosting, because she thought the kids would make a mess with a colored frosting.) There were 10 flowers piled on top to represent each Gosselin.

The top tier represented Jon & Kate, and had the bible verse Isaiah 40:31 written on it: "But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; they shall walk, and not faint."

The second tier of the cake represented Mady and Cara, and had the bible verse Psalm 127: 3: "Behold, children are a gift from the Lord."

The third tier represented the sextuplets, and had the bible verse Psalms 139:13a and 14a written on it: "For you created my inmost being...I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made."

Anonymous said...

Yes, I do believe that children are a gift from God. Look at how Kon treat such precious gifts? They yell at them, threaten them, scorn and belittle them, spank them and laugh at them.

I often ask myself why God would allow these two losers to have such beautiful children?

Anonymous said...

"Now, can someone clear this up for me? When did the 'wedding/remarriage/renewal' actual film?"

Kon and family were in Hawaii in August, so just three months ago.

Anonymous said...

I’m confused; Beth was the co-author to their book that was published Oct 14, 2008? I have not read the book but how is she out of their lives if she co-authored a book that was recently published? Can anyone explain this, I really want to know.

Just because she is not on the show does not mean anything other than she may not want to be on the show…although I am speculating, they may actually be out of their lives now, only they would know for sure, the rest is conjecture. For example, I may not wish my personal life on TV that does not mean that if one of my close friends was on TV I would cut them off or they would cut me off. I would just see them during the times they are not filming, simple as that. In TLC’s case they only film the show, on and off, for 3 month for the year. And we only see a few hours, total, of that year’s life… it's not much to go on to comment on their personal relationships, beliefs, parenting skills, or anything else IMO.
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The book was written last year and Kon was shopping for a publisher on their website for quite awhile. After a book is written, it takes awhile for it to be published. The anwer to your question is that Beth and Bob were cut out of Kon's life after the book was written, but before it was published. Specifically, the Utah trip which aired last spring is thought to be the straw that broke the camel's back. When Kate had the "worst headache of my existence" and laid on the couch instead of helping get all the kids dressed for skiing, then had a miraculous recovery and is shown happily heading off to the spa with Beth.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The book was written last year and Kon was shopping for a publisher on their website for quite awhile...
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Thank you for the answer and the additional information.

Hope said...

Do you think TLC paid for all of John's relatives to get to Hawaii? Or were they all already there? I don't watch the show b/c I refuse to support these people.

Anonymous said...

Do you think the flowers on the cake were organincally grown. I would just hate it for them to have had miracle gro on their cake.

Anonymous said...

The only relatives at the wedding were Jon's relatives who live in Hawaii... great aunt and uncle, second cousin twice removed, etc.

Anonymous said...

When they went to the Oprah show it made me gag when he told "the camera" that he wanted to wear designer jeans, and then showed them to us. Oh good grief, such tripe.

OMG-I remember when I saw that I thought "what man uses the term designer jeans?" That is just beyond weird.

Katie said...

Did anyone notice that when Jon was in the chapel before the ceremony with the kids and his "family", the "extra" in the blue shirt thanked Jon for inviting him, then asked him if Jon remembered they lived on Maui? As if to imply that maybe it would have been nice if KON visited or even let his family know far in advance that they were going to be in Hawaii? The family was there for SHOW, not because KON wanted to share this moment with members of their family. These people make me sick. Kate just acts like she doesn't give a crap about anything anymore except when the next paycheck is coming in. I suspect the next season will be all about moving. Looking forward to that......

Anonymous said...

It's easy to tell Alexis from any of them. She has light brown, long hair. Hannah's is black, very long and scraggly. Leah's is blunt cut and black. Plus, Dusty is featured in Alexis's bio on their website where she says she 'yikes him'. I think the only two I am not sure about is Collin and Joel.

katieireneismean said...

Did anyone noticed how snarky Kate's favorites, Cara and Hannah were to Leah, this episode? Cara to Leah while getting her hair curled, and Hannah practically telling Leah to go away because she was playing with Aaden? Leah seems like the smart one, perhaps she's so smart she's annoying? She and Mady are still my favorites.

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I really think Kate fosters hate between all the other kids and Alexis. That is one reason (and only one of many) that it is SO horrible that she is forced to be separated and sleep in the basement. I saw the rerun yesterday of Cara's day and it was SO sad because the kids were ignoring Alexis and Jodi's house and ALexis was saying no one likes her and no one will play with her. It is heartbreaking!

Anonymous said...

How did poor baby Alexis get banished to the basement? I haven't watched this show for sooo long that I don't remember that at all.

I am also wondering if/when the twins go to their new school wherever it may be (PA/NC) if the kids there will even except them. That has got to be a source of a lot of their anger, they know they are moving and that is the last place that has stayed normal. Or will Kate simply hire a home school teacher (b/c you know she won't do it herself) to teach all 8 of them.

Karen said...

The part that made me gag was when Jon said he "almost cried" during the vow renewal and Kate was all, "Oh...you SHOULD'VE!" Jon said, "But I didn't!" Kate: "Oh, you SHOULD'VE, that would have been so nice!"

Wow. Direct your husband's emotions much? Yikes. I can't imagine telling my husband, "you should have cried at our wedding! It would have meant so much to me!"

I cannot believe they were not happy about their first wedding. From the pictures, it looked lovely. But of course Kate, whenever she thinks of her wedding day, she only thinks about what she wanted and didn't get. Ungrateful to the end!

Anonymous said...

I just went to the Good Morning America link and saw a story on the Dilley 6 and thought "Wow now why couldn't Jon & Kate do that?". 'That' is let TLC come into their home every year on the 'tups birthday and spend a week with them to see how they are doing and whatnot. But, instead Jon and Kate need to profit off of their "sad eyed" children.

Every picture should be enough for a child psychologist to come in to this and stop the cameras.

And one more thing I have been feeling sorry for the extended family that doesn't get to see these kids, and then I realized that if they really cared they could sue for some form of visitation rights. Isn't there that "Grandparent" law/clause? It works for grandparents and aunts/uncles. I would think that they have enough evidence to win visitation and give the 8 a break from the cameras on the weekends.
~duckie~

Anonymous said...

How did poor baby Alexis get banished to the basement? I haven't watched this show for sooo long that I don't remember that at all.
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This was quite the hot topic in another thread. Kate made Alexis sleep in the basement because she was waking up Leah and Hannah.

In another episode, Kate then changed her story to say that Alexis WANTED to sleep in the basement because she thinks she is a bat. What.a.load.of.crap.

Ms. Boomer said...

I am very sad about Alexis. She's a free spirit that her parents don't understand. Same with Mady. I hope those two along with the boys rebel against the others and teach them a lesson. They can then go live with Aunt Jodi or Beth who "get" them.

ImontoyouKON said...

Did anyone notice that when Jon was in the chapel before the ceremony with the kids and his "family", the "extra" in the blue shirt thanked Jon for inviting him, then asked him if Jon remembered they lived on Maui? As if to imply that maybe it would have been nice if KON visited or even let his family know far in advance that they were going to be in Hawaii? The family was there for SHOW, not because KON wanted to share this moment with members of their family. These people make me sick. Kate just acts like she doesn't give a crap about anything anymore except when the next paycheck is coming in. I suspect the next season will be all about moving. Looking forward to that......

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I'll bet KON thought they were going to get away with it just being them at the wedding. But then TLC read all the negative comments about how they have no friends and family and when they got to Hawaii had to scramble at the last minute to come up with "family" to explain why they were even in Hawaii to begin with!

Anonymous said...

And one more thing I have been feeling sorry for the extended family that doesn't get to see these kids, and then I realized that if they really cared they could sue for some form of visitation rights. Isn't there that "Grandparent" law/clause? It works for grandparents and aunts/uncles. I would think that they have enough evidence to win visitation and give the 8 a break from the cameras on the weekends.

In PA grandparents can ask for custody under a few circumstances
(1) a parent has died; (2) the parents are divorced or have been separated for six months or more; (3) the child has resided with grandparents for twelve months or more and is subsequently removed from the home by his or her parents.


A Court has no power under the Act to order grandparent visitation where both parents are alive, reside together with their children, and object to visitation.

Jon and Kate's parents were in their lives until the sextuplets were born. I am sure they love the twins and sextuplets very much. Hopefully either Jon will grow a pair and let them be involved in thier lives again or the kids will reunite with their relatives when they are grown. Jon seems sad when he speaks of his mom, I don't think the estrangement was his idea.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering if anybody has received a response from Paradise Point ( I have not ) or the GW ( I posted my reply at the beginning of the "Prepping for Hawaii" thread).

Sara said...

WhitneySmith said...

"Jon and Kate don't strike me as intelligent people who would think of revising their will (as you should) on a regular basis to make sure that you still agree with everything you decided upon.

Plus, if they were to revise it. I don't believe that any attorney in their right mind would be okay with them switching it from a perfectly good family member to a camera man."

--I didn't mean LITERALLY, but seriously, who has been in these kids' lives more--their family, or their camera crew?!

Anonymous said...

Thank you for finding out what PA has to say about the Grandparent Act. I wouldn't have known where to start to look it up. Hopefully when the kids turn 12 they can really start to speak out for themselves and their younger siblings (hopefully something will have happend between now and then that is 4 years); and they can really tell their parents that they are very tired of the circus that is around them.

And I am, with everyone else, really tired of PA not doing anything about the child acting laws. There has to be something in place especially when so many movies have been filmed in Pittsburgh and Philly. And I would hope that NC has something in place since they get a lot of movie and tv business down there too.

And anyone who thinks that scripted reality tv should not be included in acting or production laws needs a brain transplant. When you have a clapper to introduce or redo a spontaneous scene, the parents tell interviewers that they sometimes eat at the "organic" craft-food services tables, and we are always reminded that the show is their "family" job, I believe that is when a reality show becomes a scripted show.
~duckie~

Anonymous said...

I'll bet KON thought they were going to get away with it just being them at the wedding. But then TLC read all the negative comments about how they have no friends and family and when they got to Hawaii had to scramble at the last minute to come up with "family" to explain why they were even in Hawaii to begin with!
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I think that's very likely just what happened. The thing is, TLC must think we non-sheeple are as stupid as KON that we wouldn't be able to see the obvious damage control in so many episodes ( Kate rolling on the floor hugging Joel and "fighting" over who's going to sit next to him still makes me shake my head).

Anonymous said...

Heard that the filming when started a year and a half ago was
two or three days a week - but now
is four days a week. Their seasons are six months long so if filming dozens of shows they're working pretty much fulltime.
In their new house, are their all new servants etc as they moved about 40 miles to the northeast.
Are their new neighbors and businesses finding them congenial??

Anonymous said...

Maybe TLC isnt getting the point that this family is not an inspiration but rather a travesty. I am sure they are misinterpreting the viewership (new word?) I mean, just because I look at the wreck as I drive by doesnt mean I want my car to look like that.

Anonymous said...

I love this recap.
I live in Hawaii and cannot afford the luxury of Grand Wailea, in fact, I just received an offer in the mail with a "kamaaina" rate of $295/nite!! Just for a standard room. that doesn't include the airfare to travel interisland. Looks like they had a suite for their family.
As for the relatives, even if we haven't seen each other in DECADES if someone came in from the mainland we make it a point to reunite. It is sad to see Hawaii locals treating their relative as a stranger (which I guess he is to them). Anyway, after reading all the blogs it really has opened my eyes, and I will not be watching anylonger, so I won't contribute to their finances by creating ratings. I will also tell everyone I know who watches this show.

Emily said...

About the kids being snotty to each other, I was an ABSOLUTE terror to my two younger brothers. I could be down right mean. I hardly think it has anything to do with supposed favortism. Kids are kids and they act bratty sometimes. Don't look too much into it.

SamanthaGrace said...

I can't believe how disrespectful Mady was to Kate, when they were at the chapel. However Mady feels about the "remarriage", that's no excuse to talk to her mother that way. I know some people cheer her on because Kate deserves it, but that's just not right. She's 7 years old...If I talked to my mom like that when I was her age, I would have been in some serious trouble. The fact that Kon want their children to be a part of their special day, to me, is nice. I know people that don't have their children in their weddings--these would be true remarriages...you know, to other people?--because they don't want the hassle. The thought of their kids making noise or being a distraction embarrasses them, and therefore they stick the kids with a babysitter. (Which was me.) So Mady should have been honored to be Kate's maid-of-honor. IMO, anyway.

shmedelle said...

I was flipping through the channels the other day, and I briefly paused on TLC while Jon was on the screen, apparently he had the chore of 'dumping' the family's weekly cardboard aquisition, you know, boxes from purchases/gifts delivered to their family. He did this seeminly, begrudgingly. I am, by no means, a recyling fanatic; however, I do try and do my part to not be wasteful in an obnoxious manner. I am sorry, but this couple makes me ill. They have a slew of kids that are healthy, get hand-outs galore, and are so unrependant in their self-absorbtion. I cannot stand to watch more than a minute of this so-called-reality show because I find it to be the ultimate illustration of greed plus antisocail behaviour. Having said that, I am by no means a perfect mom like Kate pretends to be. I would honestly have to put myself in the "slacker mom: catergory; ya sometimes my kids play too many video games, my home is never always clean, and I don't have organic foods on the menu, however, the thought of my dear child taking a poop for the audience to view, is not my idea of something a good mom would allow. How Goodhouskeeping, People Magazine, and Oprah can promote this cash-in at whatever-it-takes family, is beyound me.

ashley said...

SamanthaGrace:

If I behaved that way at 7 I too would have been in major trouble but my mom has never behaved like Kate. The way children behave reflects what goes on in the home. Im willing to bet that home life is pretty crappy for Mady and Cara. I also think that Mady is tired of being filmed, 7 year olds in school just want to be normal. The tups arent old enough to realize that their life isnt what most would consider normal but the twins are in school. Kids at school can be cruel especially when they can watch the girls being punished and whatnot every Monday night. Mady is completely justified in her behavior, as wrong as it is.

(((hugs for Mady))) said...

I can't believe how disrespectful Mady was to Kate, when they were at the chapel. However Mady feels about the "remarriage", that's no excuse to talk to her mother that way. I know some people cheer her on because Kate deserves it, but that's just not right. She's 7 years old...If I talked to my mom like that when I was her age, I would have been in some serious trouble. The fact that Kon want their children to be a part of their special day, to me, is nice. I know people that don't have their children in their weddings--these would be true remarriages...you know, to other people?--because they don't want the hassle. The thought of their kids making noise or being a distraction embarrasses them, and therefore they stick the kids with a babysitter. (Which was me.) So Mady should have been honored to be Kate's maid-of-honor. IMO, anyway.
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My husband grew up like that--not being able to voice any opinions. It has caused a great deal of problems in parenting with him. I believe kids have a voice. There is NOTHING wrong with Mady calling someone on a lie and saying she does not want to be a maid of honor. Being forced all the time--because she has to suck it up almost every day since their entire lives are filmed for intertainment--to keep things in is taking an obvious toll on her mentally. Silencing children leads to adults who are either ill from holding everything in (ulcers, stomach problems, etc), self medicating, or just boiling over all the time (hostile driving, blowing up easily, etc) I want to see this girl talk more, not less. She needs professional helps since her parents have her on ignore though. I will let my kids vent all day long, doesn't mean they are not going to have rules and live by consequences. But as far as slapping for "backtalk" that so many favor, never!

avasmommy said...

I thought the twins turned eight in oct.

Skraps said...

I wonder what "Dog the Bounty Hunter" thinks of KON? If Dog watched their show I don't think he'd be callin them Brud'a or Sist'a. Dog - you missed your oppty to get da bad guys.

Wendy Bird said...

Skraps said...
I wonder what "Dog the Bounty Hunter" thinks of KON? If Dog watched their show I don't think he'd be callin them Brud'a or Sist'a. Dog - you missed your oppty to get da bad guys.

11/21/2008 7:15 AM
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I don't think that Dog is thinking about KON. From what I understand, he is too busy making demands for himself.

Anonymous said...

I've been reading these posts about the Hawaii wedding/renewal cermony and how their original wedding was supposed to be in Hawaii. I don't buy that crap for one second. Kate had never flown until after they got married and flew to Disney World on their honeymoon. (Remember their home video showed her on the plane in a nervous state before take off. Then how she acted on the plane trip to Utah.) With Kate's personality, I find it hard to believe that she would have wanted to fly across the country and then over the ocean for several hours the first time she was going to fly. This was definitely some (poor) excuse they made to justify a free trip. GET OVER IT. For God's sake Kate, you're married to a man that is willing to put up with the piles of crap you put on him daily and have 8 beautiful children (8 more than some people are able to have). Somehow, you still have fans that pay to hear your story and defend you no matter how badly you treat them and others. You should thank God for people like that, Kate. If they were like you, your show would have ended a while ago.

Anonymous said...

Yes of course, brothers and sisters will be snarky, snotty and plain awful to each other once in a while. But Cara and Hannah are the anointed perfect kids supposedly. They are always kind, mature, nurturing etc. I just thought that was funny.

Anonymous said...

Far be it from me to defend them ... but having recently been married - many sites have their own planners (usually included when you marry there). Especially when you do a "destination wedding" when you aren't around the location for the months leading up to it, they will provide a person. That may be who the woman was - the hotel's coordinator. It could also be why Kate was somewhat cold to her - she wasn't a hired (by TLC) hand of Kate's choosing.

My other thought was why didn't Jenny get to have spa treatment? That poor girl is treated so lousy, and the 4 year olds got to have pedis ... if ANYONE deserves a little pampering, it's Jenny.

Anonymous said...

My other thought was why didn't Jenny get to have spa treatment? That poor girl is treated so lousy, and the 4 year olds got to have pedis ... if ANYONE deserves a little pampering, it's Jenny.

My thoughts exactly!!!

Anonymous said...

I don't agree with backtalk from a 7 year old, but in this case I will make an exception. At this point Maddy knows the difference between a lie and the truth and she speaks out. If this keeps on, she may start to conform (maybe under pressure) and pretend otherwise. If that happens, she will probably carry that on with her into adulthood and become another Kate. The place where lies can be justified.

Anonymous said...

Kate Gosselin is and never will NEVER be content in life! She spends her days justifying and making excuses in that delusional mind of hers on how she will go about accomplishing her endless desire for IMMEDIATE GRATIFICATION. First wedding wasnt what SHE wanted, so she so she went about accomplishing an all expense paid free trip to Hawaii to get 'remarried' again. The twins werent enough to fulfill her desire to be a mother, so she went about accomplishing 'just one more' She isnt content with having 8 children , she wants to 'adopt' to accomplish a feeling of knowing what its like to have just 'one' child. No one 'understands' her, and 'knows how to help her', using her contempt for those individuals , she justifies the exploitation of her children to fulfill a never ending sense of entitlement.

Anonymous said...

Why isn't there a new blog about "Twins, Twins, and Sextuplets?" There is a blog about Jon & Kate and about the Duggars, aren't these ten children being exploited as well?

Anonymous said...

Well I just stumbled upon this site when I was cruising the internet. Yes I am a big fan of the Gosselin's and was reading the recap of eps and comments made.

I find it interesting. The one thing we do all need to consider when commenting about this show is that we are only seeing what the PRODUCERS want us to see. So yes, things can be slanted one way or another according to the producers whim. Also we see little "snapshots" of things happening and many times we don't see what happened before or afterwards. So many things are shown out of context. So when I view this show I do take it into content that way.

I do remember one eps about disciplining the children Jon and Kate stated that Mady gets on time out alot.. I have yet to see her on time out.

I do generally agree that Kate needs to get over herself at times and that Jon does help out and the bigger issue is SHE needs to stop stressing over EVERYTHING so much and be more calmer and laid back.

I remember the eps at the Crayola factory when Mady says "You never let us do anything fun." Which unfortunately is very true.

I also remember the eps where Jon tells Kate how one day she is going to kick herself in the head over her being so controlling with the kids and not letting them be kids.

I thought it was just adorable seeing Aaden and Lean dancing together at the wedding, it was beyond cute!

And Collin and Hannah, boy was Collin whipping Hannah around.

As for Beth and Bob not being there for the wedding, or Jodi and Kevin either. Maybe they were invited but weren't able to make it out of scheduling issues or money? I mean we shouldn't just assume because none of them weren't there, that they weren't invited.

Dew said...

"I don't think that Dog is thinking about KON. From what I understand, he is too busy making demands for himself."

At least the guy works for a living, hasn't given up his job when life got really good, even went to jail standing up for what he thought was right, and rarely exposes his underage kids on his show let alone makes any money off them, no matter they are as cute as any Gosselin kid. His children who are ADULTS are on his show, because they have the right to choose to be on.

Wendy Bird said...

Dew said...
"I don't think that Dog is thinking about KON. From what I understand, he is too busy making demands for himself."

At least the guy works for a living, hasn't given up his job when life got really good, even went to jail standing up for what he thought was right, and rarely exposes his underage kids on his show let alone makes any money off them, no matter they are as cute as any Gosselin kid. His children who are ADULTS are on his show, because they have the right to choose to be on.

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I agree with you 100%, Dew. I was responding to the poster who said that they wondered if Dog would take an interest on behalf of the children.

He is very wrapped up in his own celebrity and probably doesn't have a clue who the Gosselin's are. That was my point, but I guess that I didn't state it very well.

There is no reason for him to show his children on Dog the Bounty Hunter because the show is about him. Who knows if he or any other reality TV celebrity would take more money if an audience wanted to see more of their children?

Anonymous said...

My mom is a lot like Kate, but when she snapped she also beat us. I started the way Mady talked to her mom around 7 too. Look when you live in a house like this you realize something not normal is going on. When your mother talks about you horribly or mocks, you start to realize that she is no better than a bully at school. Your mother is supposed to protect and put your needs first. I realized at 7, I didn't respect her, because she didn't respect. Just because you give birth does not mean that you can do whatever you want with them. Plus I was smart, and I realized smarter than my mother. So it all ends with you reap what you sow.
Now all I have is pity for my mother, she sometimes wants more of a friendship with me but I will no longer by subject to her erratic moods. She's my mom and I love her, but I don't like her.

Moons in Leo said...

I've been reading so many comments about Mady being disrespectful.

As someone who has raised two children successfully to adulthood, I'd like to share my secret for cultivating appropriate behavior.

If you treat your children with the same respect you expect to receive, you will be amazed to see how well that works.

Anonymous said...

I just caught this episode yesterday night. Boy, if I didn't stumble across this site I would have never clearly understood how the J&K truly were. Episodes now seem so contrived. Anyone notice how forced their kiss was? The only thing holding these 2 together are the hoards of money brought in by the tups and if it weren't for their current circumstances Jon probably would have run away. Kate is a nightmare and Mady would like follow the same footsteps, perhaps Alexis too. Sad really.

Anonymous said...

As for Beth and Bob not being there for the wedding, or Jodi and Kevin either. Maybe they were invited but weren't able to make it out of scheduling issues or money? I mean we shouldn't just assume because none of them weren't there, that they weren't invited.
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: ) Actually, those of us who have been following the story already know why none of their estranged friends and family attended. Did you realize Jodi and her sister have both spoke out and confirmed there IS a break with this family? It's not made up. Also, even IF producers are "slanting" things by only showing the bad stuff, how many of us have that type of bad stuff to show in the first place? Kate SURE has LOTS of bad stuff! In fact, awful..Sounds by your post that you already know lots of it anyway, so no use pointing out what kind of stuff.

SamanthaGrace said...

avasmommy:

You're right, Mady and Cara turned 8 in October. But the wedding was filmed earlier--in August, I think.

Dew said...

"I find it interesting. The one thing we do all need to consider when commenting about this show is that we are only seeing what the PRODUCERS want us to see. So yes, things can be slanted one way or another according to the producers whim."

Please give an example of how something may be slanted or taken out of context. Jon and Kate had a million dollar wedding in Hawaii. They had family there they don't know. The kids were miserable, especially Mady. Mady is calling Kate out on her lies and horrible parenting. What will context do to improve that situation?

I fail to see how taking Collin's beloved stuffed Duck away from him, or putting Joel in the laundry room when he is puking, or banishing Alexis to the basement because they don't want to address her behavior head on, is somehow slanted or taken out of context. The fact that the nanny goes with them on trips now and not their lifelong friends and family is what it is. That's not slanted or out of context. I could give dozens of other examples.

I just think there have been far too many instances of absurd, outlandish behavior to brush it off as editing. In the beginning, maybe. But now, not so much.

Editing, in my mind, is the last (weak) defense people have left for trying to justify these horrible people. It's a convenient defense because you can use it on any and all situations to try to silence those who are very concerned for these children and their futures. I'm sorry, it does not work on me.

Anonymous said...

This was quite the hot topic in another thread. Kate made Alexis sleep in the basement because she was waking up Leah and Hannah.

In another episode, Kate then changed her story to say that Alexis WANTED to sleep in the basement because she thinks she is a bat. What.a.load.of.crap.
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I don't see why this is so unbelievable. Originally, Alexis was moved to sleep in the basement because she was waking up the other tups at night and during nap time.

Given the option to move back upstairs with her sisters, Alexis could have said she prefers the basement and wants to stay there, whether it's because she likes to pretend she's a bat, or because she prefers the quiet, or because she likes being alone, or just because she got so used to her bed in the basement that she didn't want to leave it.

There's no rule that says the original reason something has been done has to forever be the reason that thing continues.

Anonymous said...

I just think there have been far too many instances of absurd, outlandish behavior to brush it off as editing. In the beginning, maybe. But now, not so much.

Editing, in my mind, is the last (weak) defense people have left for trying to justify these horrible people. It's a convenient defense because you can use it on any and all situations to try to silence those who are very concerned for these children and their futures. I'm sorry, it does not work on me.
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100000% agree with you.

Yes, there is editing to maximize drama on any show, but you can't add footage that wasn't filmed in the first place.

Dew said...

And what's more, even Kate herself has said emphatically the show is pretty accurate and representative. She has said this very clearly. She also says their life is their show, further implying that nothing is wrong with the editing. Neither she nor Jon has EVER complained about editing or that something was not explained or taken out of context, and they have had ample opportunities to do so. They have never tried to deny or explain away the episodes we have the most problems with. Usually Kate just defends her behavior more and refuses to take responsibility for anything. When we ask them to explain something outrageous, such as a 4-year-old sleeping in the basement, they just try to alter the story a bit to what they think sounds a little better.

If Kate were going around crying that the show is being unfair to them or that editing was awful, I might buy it. But all they do is go around begging people to watch their circus more. People on Survivor or Real World are always complaining that one person is edited to be the drunk, the bitch, the angry person. I think they are right to some extent. But Kate has never once said they are making me out to be the shrew and bitch that I'm not! Instead, she seems proud of it.

It's accurate, almost all of it, I'm afraid to say.

Anonymous said...

Editing, in my mind, is the last (weak) defense people have left for trying to justify these horrible people. It's a convenient defense because you can use it on any and all situations to try to silence those who are very concerned for these children and their futures. I'm sorry, it does not work on me.
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Also, these same people use JEALOUSY as a defense against the non-KON worshippers.

Anonymous said...

If Kate were going around crying that the show is being unfair to them or that editing was awful, I might buy it. But all they do is go around begging people to watch their circus more. People on Survivor or Real World are always complaining that one person is edited to be the drunk, the bitch, the angry person. I think they are right to some extent. But Kate has never once said they are making me out to be the shrew and bitch that I'm not! Instead, she seems proud of it.
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Wow, you read my mind.

I was just thinking about Jerry (pretty, brown wavy hair, always wore a cowboy hat) from Survivor - Australia. She was often depicted as the biatch, and complained about the editing.

At either the finale or a reunion show, Jerri was trying to play the sweet victim, and Colby came right out and said " Jerri, it wasn't the editing.".

Anonymous said...

I don't see why this is so unbelievable. Originally, Alexis was moved to sleep in the basement because she was waking up the other tups at night and during nap time.

Given the option to move back upstairs with her sisters, Alexis could have said she prefers the basement and wants to stay there, whether it's because she likes to pretend she's a bat, or because she prefers the quiet, or because she likes being alone, or just because she got so used to her bed in the basement that she didn't want to leave it.

There's no rule that says the original reason something has been done has to forever be the reason that thing continues.
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Kate is ALWAYS changing her story to either suit her own needs/wants at that moment or to play up the damage control.

KON are the PARENTS, and even if Alexis wanted to stay downstairs by herself, what sane, normal parent would say ok to that ? Kate already isolates Alexis from the other kids, especially the girl tups, and this is just another way she continues that awful pattern.
Instead of trying to find a GOOD solution, Kate does the quick fix, as always, and sends Alexis downstairs by herself.

Dew said...

It's the same lazy parenting that they do with anything. Instead of getting to the heart of the matter with Alexis, they send her down to the basement. Same situation with Mady. Instead of finding out why she is so terribly upset after school, they get rid of her by sending her off to their bedroom to watch TV. Sadly Mady is learning she can just be soothed with TV instead of feeling comfortable opening up to her parents about what happened at school that day.

Anonymous said...

It's the same lazy parenting that they do with anything. Instead of getting to the heart of the matter with Alexis, they send her down to the basement. Same situation with Mady. Instead of finding out why she is so terribly upset after school, they get rid of her by sending her off to their bedroom to watch TV. Sadly Mady is learning she can just be soothed with TV instead of feeling comfortable opening up to her parents about what happened at school that day.

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Dew,
I think you could be my new BFF
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Anonymous said...

KON are the PARENTS, and even if Alexis wanted to stay downstairs by herself, what sane, normal parent would say ok to that ? Kate already isolates Alexis from the other kids, especially the girl tups, and this is just another way she continues that awful pattern.
Instead of trying to find a GOOD solution, Kate does the quick fix, as always, and sends Alexis downstairs by herself.
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Exactly, and the other kids treat Alexis most of the time like she is an outsider and not one of them. The girls are very harsh with her. They act as if Hannie and Leah are twins! It's just unfair. Even in the show where it's Cara's day, I mentioned Alexis is at Aunt Jodie's crying and saying no one likes her or plays with her. It's a parent's job to try to see that their kids are treated fairly and try to get along, not try to keep tearing them apart!

Anonymous said...

Kate already isolates Alexis from the other kids, especially the girl tups, and this is just another way she continues that awful pattern.
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Saw part of a rerun yesterday - Cutting Room floor with never before seen clips. Too much to discuss (sigh) from this episode, but to continue the thread above, they show part of the episode where KON take Cara and Mady to the talent agency. Who also gets to come along ? Leah and Hannah.

I also remember another episode where KON are going somewhere, and Leah and Hannah stay with one "friend"(who hasn't been seen since) and Alexis + the boy tups stay with Beth/Jodi.


Oh almost forgot : regarding Kate's comments about how her first wedding apparently wasn't good enought : they showed clips from their wedding and then KON are on the couch saying how beautiful it was. Of course, Kate then chimes in something like " if I had to change anything I would have gone to an island".

C said...

Even in the show where it's Cara's day, I mentioned Alexis is at Aunt Jodie's crying and saying no one likes her or plays with her. It's a parent's job to try to see that their kids are treated fairly and try to get along, not try to keep tearing them apart!
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What really made me sad about this scene is Mady's obvious excluding Alexis. She ignores her on purpose and talks over her to Lissy purposely so Alexis gets drowned out by Mady's talking. Mady is a masterful manipulator and it's sad how Alexis gets excluded alot in that house by the girls.

mom of multiples said...

After watching this episode, one of the things that really got to me was during the couch interview. Jon is sitting there all smug (c'mon Jon, can you muster up a genuine smile instead of that annoying smirk you always have?) Kate is sitting next to him and while passing her hand under the words on his shirt, ala Vanna White style, she says in her whispery and dreamy like voice "no worries beef curry". Okay, we can read his shirt. We know you have no worries - why would you? You have a staff doing everything for you, you are moving into a million dollar mansion, you take your children on vacations that most people will only dream of in their lives, should I go on???? Of course you don't have worries KON. You know who does have worries though.....many people right now (in fact KON, many of your viewers probably have many worries). People are worrying about losing their jobs in this horrible economy. People who have already lost their jobs are worrying about finding work and not having their homes foreclosed on them. People are worrying about how they are going to put food on their tables this Thanksgiving and how they are going to buy presents for their children this holiday season. Oh, that's right, Kate has the answer to that question.....K-Mart layaway, just like she does! People who are sitting in childrens wards in hospitals (or in Ronald McDonald homes all over the country) worrying about their sick and perhaps dying children, while you KON have 8 healthy, lovely children. Yes KON, we realize you have NO WORRIES, but don't shove that in everyone's face!
I actually felt my stomach turn when she read his "no worries" shirt in such a nonchalant way. What an arrogant and smarmy couple.

qtrfan said...

I just watched the rerun where they were questioned as to why the grandparents are now around. Kate stuttered and stammered, and there was really no answer other than "it's better they are not in our life right now". About Jon's parents, his father died, and his mother remarried so she is not around. This time he was the one that stuttered and stammered with no real answer.

Pathetic.....

Anonymous said...

How can a parent sleep knowing that one of their children is down in the basement sleeping? Why can't Jon or Kate sleep down there with Alexis? That really bothers me to know that she is down there all by herself. She is way to little to do that. Jon and Kate need parenting classes.

Anonymous said...

Great comment that Mady is a masterful manipulator. Hmm, I wonder which parent she takes after? I think Mady was cloned from Kate!

Wendy Bird said...

Anonymous said...

How can a parent sleep knowing that one of their children is down in the basement sleeping? Why can't Jon or Kate sleep down there with Alexis? That really bothers me to know that she is down there all by herself. She is way to little to do that. Jon and Kate need parenting classes.
11/23/2008 10:30 AM
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Alexis sleeping in the basement concerns me for all of the reasons other have written about: fire, predators knowing exactly where she is and that she is there all alone two floors away from any other person in the houses, etc.

How did they get Alexis to stay in the basement? If she obeyed and just stayed down there, why wouldn't they let her sleep on the couch in the living room? More than likely she would have stayed there too. If she could get out of the basement, wouldn't there still be an issue with her awakening her sisters. Wouldn't her parents be worried about her wandering all over the house at night? Wouldn't she keep trying to come upstairs. Why would she just give in and go to sleep down there?

I hope that I am wrong and that Alexis could get out of the basement, both physically and without the threat of a "spanking". If Jon and Kate's parenting skills are good enough to get her to sleep in a basement two floors away from anyone without wandering all over the house or trying to get back upstairs to sleep near her family, then why aren't they able to get her to stop awakening her siblings?

I do not believe that a four year old would choose to sleep in a basement by herself.

M said...

Great recap!!

What is "kon" though? It seemed like a reference to Kate?

I must say though that I did love the end scene where the kids were all dancing. They were much better dancers than Jon and Kate were!

tarheelquality said...

Did anyone notice the sad, uninvolved looks on Cara and Mady's face in the pics? What about the look of total irritation on Mady's face while walking down the aisle. I think these looks sum up the show.

I stayed at the Grand Wailea in 2002 when the rooms (a double) went for $685 a night....pretty nice to get the vacation and wedding for free

I felt so bad for the "relatives", they were totally ignored at the reception, watching from a distance and not included in anything. Even the next day at golf, Jon drove in cart with just the camera crew not the "family".

I watched a repeat yesterday where it was KON talking about how they have gotten to this point. They showed their original wedding again (stating they paid for it), how she wanted babies so badly that she rent right away (wasn't even married for a year) to an infertility specialist and included pictures of the twins (as babies)on a trip to Hawaii, why didn't they meet the family then? Also in this episode she said that she reminds her self frequently how young Jon is...WOW! I could never imagine treating my husband like this...

Dew said...

"How can a parent sleep knowing that one of their children is down in the basement sleeping? Why can't Jon or Kate sleep down there with Alexis?"

The bigger question to me is has Jon or Kate stopped to ask why Alexis is waking up at 4? Is she having nightmares that wake her up? Anxiety? Maybe a visit to a doctor or therapist might help. Or maybe she just doesn't require as much sleep as the others. Not all children are the same. Maybe Alexis needs to be put down a little later so she will sleep through the night. Or maybe she doesn't need a 3 hour nap during the day.

If none of that gets to the bottom of it, how about teaching her how to read or play quietly until morning when she wakes up early instead of waking up the rest of the house? You're never too young to learn to respect other people's sleep.

Their solution to just put her in the basement doesn't even begin to address the heart of the problem.

Anonymous said...

I do not believe that a four year old would choose to sleep in a basement by herself.
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I believe most would be lying in bed too scared to get up and try to get out. That is a lot of isolation for a little one.

Anonymous said...

What is "kon" though? It seemed like a reference to Kate?
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KON is the combo of (K)ate +
(J)on and a play on CON, which is very appropriate for them.

It's also a heck of a lot faster than typing the names.

Anonymous said...

These two aren't even able to convince me that they fool themselves. They aren't going to still be married in five years let alone forever. Once the cameras leave, so will Jon. He can sit there and repeat Kate's mantra all he wants (we love each other, we love each other,we love each other) but it doesn't make it so. He is as shallow and transparent as the day is long. And child support? Once he sets up enough endorsement deals for Kate he won't have to pay all that much.

In a few years, when their divorce is announced, think back to this post....it's going to happen.

ThreeFarmers said...

Alexis was only 3 when she began sleeping in the basement. We knew about her sleeping down there in the Utah episode which aired in February which means that it was probably filmed in December or January. We really don't know how long before that she was sleeping down there.

SamanthaGrace said...

Alexis isn't 2 floors away from everyone in the house. Jon and Kate's bedroom is on the first floor, and the rest of the kids are on the second.
I don't see why it's so hard to believe that Alexis would want to sleep down there by herself. Would you want to share a room with two sisters, or have your own room? I'd choose to be by myself, too...I'm not saying it's right for her to be down there, but I don't think it's impossible that she wants to be there.

Christine said...

Did anyone see on TLC's website the video up for Kon titled "Meet the Family?" First Kate says to Jon she 'knows' them (family that attended the 'event' in Hawaii), then she tells Jon that she only has met one of them. It was awkward because the people attending the wedding were distant relatives who all said they didn't know him and last saw him when he was a young boy. Also I just find it weird that his mother nor his grandmother were there, or his brothers.

Anonymous said...

Anon "In a few years, when their divorce is announced, think back to this post....it's going to happen."

I completely agree with you. I think that they (or maybe just Jon) are staying together for the show (not the children but for the show). When the media attention dies down and their 15 minutes of fame is gone their marriage will be gone too.

Anyone can see that this who vow/marriage renewal was just a performance piece for the show. It didn't mean anything despite the fact that Kate kept repeating that it had more meaning than their real wedding. They could barely work up the enthusiasm to kiss each other let alone show any real affection. That's because there is none.

This marriage just empty. Jon's spirit has been broken by the shrew he married. He is either a robot or a Vulcan now (no emotions).

In the end I almost have to wonder if it would be better or worse for the children if and when they split up?

Anonymous said...

Just recently they did a rerun about a lot of different things, part of it was about their first wedding. They looked completely in love and at that time talked about how wonderful they thought the wedding was. So, when they got to go to Hawaii for their "repeat vows" they talked down their first wedding like it was a roll in a mud puddle. Good grief! How absolutely stupid! They just needed a "filler" of some type to take them to some exotic place, so that was when they decided to talk down their first wedding ceremony and say they had always wanted to have their wedding in Hawaii, and the first wedding had been so "whatever". But when all is said and done, the marriage is most important, even more important than the wedding. Lots of good marriages survive when a couple has only stood in front of a Justice of The Peace. TLC is just going too far. Now the Roloffs are taking all those trips too. TLC has run out of every-day stuff to film, so they are taking "America's Favorite Family" to places few Americans frequent. I think TLC is responsible for the down-fall of the Gosselin family!

Anonymous said...

I find it quite interesting that KON appears to have written here several times to defend their "right" to put Alexis in the basement. Sorry guys--it is NOT going to work. NO, a little girl with 5 siblings of the same age is not going to want to sleep alone in a basement. They are not craving privacy at this age. They are used to all being together. They are being forced apart by lazy, uncaring parents. Period.

nancy019 said...

I don't see why it's so hard to believe that Alexis would want to sleep down there by herself. Would you want to share a room with two sisters, or have your own room? I'd choose to be by myself, too...I'm not saying it's right for her to be down there, but I don't think it's impossible that she wants to be there.

I find it hard to believe that any 3 or 4 year would not find sleeping alone in the basement frightening. Come on, all little kids have nightmares and didn't all of us think about the "boogie man" a few times when we were little?

SmartyQ said...

I was unable to watch the entire episode, but I noticed that Queen Freebie Irene seemed to be dressed in her nightie while the other participants in the show were dressed appropriately. I think she also wore high heels to tromp across the lawn. She looked ridiculous!

Jon Boy got free pants, but 'free' didn't seem to include shortening the pants to fit him. He is supposed to be the fashion expert in the family, but 1) cargo pants—especially with full pockets—seem strange for a wedding and 2) pants that drag on the ground make one look even shorter. Jon already is a peanut and needs elevator flip flops to be the same height as QFI.

This show was the nth in excess, and while any decent person would be embarrassed to be involved, Kon gloried in every greedy delight.

Anonymous said...

Alexis is emotionally isolated from the family. She is also physically isolated from them.
With no other family around to cuddle and interact with her on a regular basis, makes you wonder if she will have attachement issues when she gets older.

jon and kate are cons said...

nancy019,
Alexis doesn't have a choice if she wants to be with her sisters, or sleep in the basement. Give me a break. NO four year old wants to sleep alone in a dark and damp basement. It's not like she's a teen-ager. Why does Kate put her in the basement? Why can't Alexis sleep on the couch? I can only imagine what kind of trouble Alexis could get into in the basement. If Alexis was my child, I would put her in my bed between my husband and me. Why can't Kate do that? I'm SURE Alexis would LOVE it there!

Anonymous said...

I also remember on one of their plane trips, neither parent wanted to sit next to Alexis.
Seriously, what is wrong with these parents? Do they have some sort of detachment disorder? They seem to be okay with some of the kids. Good thing Nevada no longer allows drop offs of older children. Or a couple of these little guys might find themselves on a bus out west.

Anonymous said...

Jon Boy got free pants, but 'free' didn't seem to include shortening the pants to fit him. He is supposed to be the fashion expert in the family, but 1) cargo pants—especially with full pockets—seem strange for a wedding and 2) pants that drag on the ground make one look even shorter. Jon already is a peanut and needs elevator flip flops to be the same height as QFI.

I too, found it rather out of place that Kate chose to garb herself in a designer traditionally inspired wedding gown and Jon opted for the extremely casual look of cargo pants. I am not suggesting that JOn should have worn a penquin suit, but the cargo pants were one pocket short of Abercrombie and Fitch. With all the J & K talk of 'authentic' Hawaiian this and 'authentic' Hawaiian that it would have been far more appropriate to the location and theme of the ceremony if Kate wore an island inspired dress. Whatever. They are fools.

jon and kate are cons said...

It looks like Kate and Jon are doing "selective reduction" now, rather before the tups were born.
How sad for sweet Alexis. For Kate to say that she didn't want Alexis to sit next to her on the plane is cruel. It's like Kate sticks a pin in Alexis and just deflate's her ego that way. Alexis is going to grow up with issues. That whole situation is very sad.

Anonymous said...

OMG I love the name Queen Freebie Irene!!

BTW I am 32 and would still be petrified if I had to sleep in my parents' basement! Lex is pretty brave in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

We had some of our married children home for Christmas one year, so our son that still lives at home gave up his room for one of the couples and a baby, and he went down to the basement to sleep. The digs weren't really good for a baby, so that was why he gave up his room for them. He told me the next day that he felt alone down there when he knew all the family upstairs were together. He was 14 at the time. Not all teens want to be away from the rest of the family either.

linda said...

you know, maybe Jon's bedroom is also in the basement...

Anonymous said...

We'll see what the new bedroom arrangements are when they start filming at the new place. What better time to teach Alexis and kids how to tell time etc. Pulling her in the basement is like sweeping a nuisance under the rug.
I'll bet a dollar to a donut that when told there were seven sacks,
they were fertilized within hours.
It appears that the JOKs have orchestrated their lives to the maximum - hope they also rationalized what goes up also comes down. Enjoy this blog.

Anonymous said...

jon and kate are cons said...
It looks like Kate and Jon are doing "selective reduction" now, rather before the tups were born.
How sad for sweet Alexis. For Kate to say that she didn't want Alexis to sit next to her on the plane is cruel. It's like Kate sticks a pin in Alexis and just deflate's her ego that way. Alexis is going to grow up with issues. That whole situation is very sad.

Kate Gosselin thrives on deflating the self esteem of others, including that of her children, as a means to feed the ravenous appetite of her own ego. It is one of her 'super' power strengths she has been blessed with as 'super mom'.

momof7 said...

My heart goes out to sweet,precious Alexis. No child should feel so isolated from her family as sleeping in the basement alone.I just wish I could give her a hug.Besides all of the situations that have already been mentioned there are others.When they were in NC this summer they put Hannah&Leah in a room together & then had to decide"where to put Alexis." Another time she was asking for a bagel because Cara & Mady were getting one.Jon completely ignored her & she kept asking louder each time.Then Jon finally paid attention to her & put her in time out for being loud.So she was completely ignored,didn't get her bagel, but did get a time out for really doing nothing wrong. My heart really hurts for this sweet,adorable child.As stated before,Kon used selective reduction after Alexis was born.

Granny said...

momof7 said:My heart goes out to sweet,precious Alexis. No child should feel so isolated from her family as sleeping in the basement alone.I just wish I could give her a hug.Besides all of the situations that have already been mentioned there are others.When they were in NC this summer they put Hannah&Leah in a room together & then had to decide"where to put Alexis." Another time she was asking for a bagel because Cara & Mady were getting one.Jon completely ignored her & she kept asking louder each time.Then Jon finally paid attention to her & put her in time out for being loud.So she was completely ignored,didn't get her bagel, but did get a time out for really doing nothing wrong. My heart really hurts for this sweet,adorable child.As stated before,Kon used selective reduction after Alexis was born.

I so agree with you and also my heart goes out to little Alexis as well. I pray for her.

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Anonymous said...

Great comment that Mady is a masterful manipulator. Hmm, I wonder which parent she takes after? I think Mady was cloned from Kate!

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That's why I don't understand all the pity for Mady--to me, Mady is just Kate's Mini-Me. What's so ironic is that the same behavior that WE can't stand in Kate, Kate can't stand in Mady!!

Anonymous said...

I don't believe she sleeps in the basement by herself.

Maybe they have a regular live in nanny/or helper that sleeps there too.

machinegunsmom said...

Anonymous said...
I just went to the Good Morning America link and saw a story on the Dilley 6 and thought "Wow now why couldn't Jon & Kate do that?". 'That' is let TLC come into their home every year on the 'tups birthday and spend a week with them to see how they are doing and whatnot. But, instead Jon and Kate need to profit off of their "sad eyed" children.
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The McCaugheys (sp?) who had the septuplets do that, too...once a year they have Anne Curry (I think) from the Today Show come check in and do a special to see how they're doing...

Marsha said...

Great comment that Mady is a masterful manipulator. Hmm, I wonder which parent she takes after? I think Mady was cloned from Kate!

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That's why I don't understand all the pity for Mady--to me, Mady is just Kate's Mini-Me. What's so ironic is that the same behavior that WE can't stand in Kate, Kate can't stand in Mady!!


I guess for me, it's the fact that Mady is a child and her behavior is learned. The poor girl doesn't have a chance with Kate as her role model. Kate doesn't know how to deal with her, so she either ignores her or isolates her.

I was so touched in one of the older episodes when she misbehaved at Jodi's house. Jodi got down to her level and talked to her.

Kate just seems like she doesn't understand the needs of her own children or just doesn't want to be bothered. I do feel for Mady because she is obviously crying out for help, but there's no one left to hear her.

I haven't watched the show in several months, but when I did, I just wanted to reach out to her and give her the love and attention that she needs. She is going to have a tough time as an adult if someone doesn't intervene.

Anonymous said...

Did any of you notice that when Cara was getting her hair done that it was full of big pretty curlers? Then when it showed her at the wedding it appeared very flat. I have to wonder...Did Miss Cara object to the ringlets and and had them wet her hair down?

Anonymous said...

"I was so touched in one of the older episodes when she misbehaved at Jodi's house. Jodi got down to her level and talked to her."


On the Utah trip, Beth was firm but playful when she was "chasing" Maddy to get her to get ready for bed.
If a parent is firm, consistant and kind, you can control the kids behaviour.

I wonder if the twins are embarassed when they see their mom acting up, over reacting for the camera.

Anonymous said...

Dew and Sharla,you are the queen and king of GWOP blogs!
May you live forever.I haven't laughed so hard over any of the KON stupidity,in a very long time.Keep up the good work-the world needs more of your insight and humour into the warped minds that are the gosselin parents.

Anonymous said...

i just rewatched the "wedding" episode. when kate gave her boquet to mady, mady stuck her tounge at the boqet at least three times. i thought that was hilarious. its amazing that even her immidiate family is turning their backs to her.

Anonymous said...

My husband watched the wedding episode and during the vows, Kate is promising to do this & that, then as she begins to choke up, she pauses and then says "I'm not gonna do it!" meaning, she isn't going to cry. My husband pointed out the Freudian slip she'd just made. "I promise to be more patient, and kind... I'm NOT GONNA DO IT!" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Anonymous said...

I just can't see why all of a sudden they decided to do this vow renewal. It wasn't their anniversary, and they aren't on a big year. They couldn't have waited until their tenth? Or even longer than that? This year was big for anniversaries in my family, my parents just; their 25th (I'm 14) my father's parents; their 50th, and my mother's parents; their sixtieth. While those would have been appropriate years for such a thing, you didn't see them do anything extravagant. My parents don't need to have a big "wedding do-over" to show they'll stay together, they do it through their love and respect of eachother. What was the rush? Can anyone fill me in?

Anonymous said...

I just can't see why all of a sudden they decided to do this vow renewal. It wasn't their anniversary, and they aren't on a big year. They couldn't have waited until their tenth? Or even longer than that? This year was big for anniversaries in my family, my parents just; their 25th (I'm 14) my father's parents; their 50th, and my mother's parents; their sixtieth. While those would have been appropriate years for such a thing, you didn't see them do anything extravagant. My parents don't need to have a big "wedding do-over" to show they'll stay together, they do it through their love and respect of eachother. What was the rush? Can anyone fill me in?

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Wow, for a 14 yo, you have a great head on your shoulders . And, your comments were spot on.

Anonymous said...

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Wow, for a 14 yo, you have a great head on your shoulders . And, your comments were spot on.

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Oh, why thank you!