Two Posters, One Idea

We recently received both of these comments, just days apart. These sentiments are shared by many, so it seemed the right time to share them in a post.

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Submitted by themrs and Pattilynn

69 comments:

fostersmom said...

We are doing some good!

I was previously an avid watcher of this show. Like many others, I came to a point when too many things bothered me/didn't add up. Like the rest, I came across the many blogs about the show and learned more. As I became more and more concerned about the exploitation of these kids, I also became discouraged. As TLC's number one rated show, I figured all our discussion and critique would never change anything. Then I started noticing changes on the show. Many have labeled these changes "damage control". While this is probably true, I've realized that Kate and Jon ARE reading these blogs (or at least their PR people are) and making changes accordingly. While the intention may be for less criticism and higher ratings, it still benefits the kids. So in that sense, blogs like GWOP are making a difference in those kids lives. I've noticed that Kate is much more affectionate and softer to the kids, especially the boys. In the last few episodes I've seen her hugging and kissing them. I've heard several kind comments made recently about Mady and also that the twins have been on camera less. I've also noticed a change in the way Jon and Kate interact with one another. I believe it's been quite awhile since I've seen Kate punch or hit Jon or comment negatively on his weight. I noticed on the first day of school episode that the kids were not wearing matching outfits. That's the first time I've seen them in public not matching. I've observed they are allowed to spend more time just playing (and *Gasp* sometimes even getting dirty) as opposed to constant planned outings. Even Kate's hair has gotten less drastic! So despite the claims that they don't read what's said about them, the changes are becoming obvious. Even if the motivation is impure, it's good for the kids. So until the day when our final goal is accomplished and this show is removed from the air, we'll just keep discussing the things we see. We'll hope that appropriate changes are made and that eventually those kids can lead a quiet, normal, un-televised life.

Submitted by themrs


I found this site and was relieved that I was not alone in my feelings regarding J&K+8.

I want to express major major KUDOS!!! to all!

Because of you, there are changes (yes it’s damage control for TLC, but the results are the children are being looked out for.)

First as noted... the children's privacy was protected.... 2nd it appears Mady's wishes were respected. I caught glimpses of her here and there... making it obvious it was her choosing! So happy for her.

As concerned people we can breath easier that the little ones are in preschool with normal experiences. And teachers who see individuals.

It confirms that the reality of the power of the pen can make a difference. Keep up the good work!

Submitted by Pattilynn

avasmommy said...

These two posters couldn't have stated the truth better. We ARE making a difference, no matter what some may say. Even if it is damage control -- if it benefits the kids then that is all that matters. I am very happy for all of the G kids, especially Mady. Let's all keep up the good work!

Anonymous said...

Just because they read this, and they show Kate finally kissing her sons, does not mean she has changed. They are probably throwing us a bone, and then she is her same old nasty self, once they got their footage on camera.

I dont think anything has changed, except kate wanting to continue to ride the gravy train, so she is giving us what we want... for the camera.
A zebra cannot change its stripes..
Sorry, not buying it.

Anonymous said...

A zebra cannot change its stripes.
Sorry, not buying it.
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I have to agree. If anything, these not-for-real-but-just-for-the-cameras changes are more confusing for the kids because they see one behavior on camera and another off. And, I still wonder what Jon and Kate say to the kids :" Ok, Mady, if you don't want to be on this episode, that's your choice. But we are all going to XXXXX and I don't want to hear you complain ..."

I have mentioned this before : Jon and Kate do not deserve, nor have they earned "the benefit of the doubt".

Cat-a-holic, Laila and Minchie said...

It's definitely a different show now. What concerns me is what is happening when the cameras aren't rolling. Hopefully it's carrying over there too.

themrs said...

anon, i agree that its most likely damage control. i'm sure that when the cameras are off, it's "business as usual"> but my thought was that even so, then at least three days a week they're getting better treatment. it's more than they had before. every little bit helps!

avasmommy said...

Whether or not Kate has changed is not the question or what is being celebrated, The fact that when the camers are around, Kate changes her behavior towards the kids and towards Jon. If they shoot 3-4 days a week then thats 3-4 days that they kids are getting treated better than before. Sure, she still may be a shrew off-camera, but we can only hope and pray that what she does on-camera carries over to what she does off-camera. After all, the reverse of that is how we started seeing her true colors in the first place.

Anonymous said...

I have to agree. If anything, these not-for-real-but-just-for-the-cameras changes are more confusing for the kids because they see one behavior on camera and another off. And, I still wonder what Jon and Kate say to the kids :" Ok, Mady, if you don't want to be on this episode, that's your choice. But we are all going to XXXXX and I don't want to hear you complain ..."

I have mentioned this before : Jon and Kate do not deserve, nor have they earned "the benefit of the doubt".
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Just to clarify: I would LOVE for the "changes" we see to be genuine. I would LOVE for the kids to be in a happier home, with happier parents. I would LOVE for the kids to able to enjoy just being kids. Unfortunately, KON are so disingenuous I can't believe any of the "changes" are real.

I just wanted to clarify my statement. I did/do not want to minimize what fostersmom and themrs are trying to say.

Sue said...

I too have noticed some changes. There were 2 things that immediately stood out for me on the "Back to School" episode. 1 was that the twins were not shown at all!! I was thrilled to see them. I have found that I get stressed when they are shown because I can see how unhappy they are. The second thing I noticed is that the tups were not all dressed up when they went to their first day of school. The girls' hair wasn't even combed. And while that might be the norm for the rest of us who really do have schedules too busy to think if these things, for Kate that must've been very difficult. The temptation to dress them to the nines with matching Gymboree outfits and hair bows must have been overwhelming. I was glad to see that she didn't give in to it. That was a major thing for a control freak. I think there is hope for Kate. She can give up some control!

During the "Mr Mom" episode I cheered when Jon closed the bathroom door during bath time. Good for you Jon!! That was a good step forward! No more naked kids!! Now...if we just can get rid if the bibs and naps for almost 5 year olds!!

Anonymous said...

TLC is doing lots of 'damage control' by simply not showing us the things we're complaining about. And they're doing a better job of showing us positive parenting and interactions rather than the negative and things we write about. I would like to think the positive behavior is becoming the 'norm' in the household, but I have a gut feeling that they're simply doing a much better job of editing out the controvercial.

A couple of posters mentioned 'if they shoot 3-4 days a week then it's 3-4 days that the kids are getting treated better'. I pray that's true, but remember that it takes approx 30-40 hours of footage just to make 1 show. There are hours of interactions on the cutting room floor, many of which IMO that aren't very flattering to the Gosselins.

Let's keep writing. The more they read and then we see results - the more hope we have the kids are truly reaping the benefits. Hopefully one day soon the network will find the negative attention to the show more trouble than it's worth and that laws are enacted to protect the kids and they finally drop the show.

Zoe said...

I am certainly glad to see these changes, even if they are limited. Even though there is obviously much to be done behaviour-wise for the parents, I'm glad to see that they're being treated much better a few days a week, if not off-camera.

I believe everyone here has been hoping to see Mady and Cara get some peace off-camera during filming, and I'm glad that that particular hope seems to have been taken seriously. Obviously it's not a final win, but isn't it something that has been driving us all mad for some time? It makes the show less painful to watch without two unhappy eight-year-olds.

Of course, giving events like baseball games mandatory filming is nowhere near fair, but this small victory still gives me hope that blogs like this are making a positive difference.

jen in pa said...

No matter what changes or "damage control" we think we may be seeing on the show, ask yourself this: if there were "hate" sites/videos devoted to one of your children on the internet directly because of your child's involvement on a reality tv show that you are perpetuating as the "family job", would you pull the plug? The damage being done to Mady cannot be undone. What would you do? Choose the show or your child?

Anonymous said...

I don't think Jon and Kate can change that easily. However, they can make temporary, on cue, changes for the good of the almighty buck. It is so blatantly obvious that everything is about the money. They claim the main reason for doing the show, is that they did not have time to video the tups like they did the twins when they were young. But I'll bet if the show was taken off the air, and a camera crew was left to make all the videos they wanted for free, they would be screaming bloody murder. No matter what anyone wants to think, they are selling the kids' childhood for money.

Anonymous said...

It makes me absolutely sick to think she has to be told to hug her boys. Having a son myself I don't get how she just can't seem to relate to her sons. Something had to have happened in her life to have such a negative reaction to males, and just the comments she makes really make you think about the feeling she has toward the opposite sex. One day she will look back and be sorry for her behavior. Then again this is Kate were talking about so she will probably look back and think about the mistakes everyone else made while she is sitting by herself in the big house in N.C.

Heide said...

I agree with the two posters. When I was a child, my mother didn't really care too much about me, but was nice to me when other people were around. I loved those times! Even though I believe I knew on some level that it wasn't real, it felt warm, comfortable, and nice. So I think it is doing something good for the kids, even if on a temporary basis.

Anonymous said...

I agree with whoever said that it's all for the camera, to quell the criticism. Jon and Kate aren't kids, and they aren't going to change overnight, if at all. They think if they become more likable, the criticism will die down. The fault there lies in the criticism, which so often makes more of an issue out of Jon and Kate's personalities than the main point: little children are being paraded in front of a camera instead of living normal lives. Ditto for the positive comments about the Roloffs or the Duggars. Yes they're more likable people, more intelligent-sounding, and not as overtly greedy and commercial--yet. But they are also putting their kids lives in front of the camera. Sure it's easier to stomach Kate when she keeps her fangs hidden, but make no mistake, they're still in there and still capable of delivering the same venom.

meowmeow said...

I contacted KMart, and was told they were sorry if I was insulted, and were forwarding my comments to Management.

Apparently, I have not been alone in my contacting them.

Anonymous said...

I realize filming the show is a big part of their life but it is not 24/7. I think it's naive to assume that because KON or the network is more CAREFUL about what is filmed or edited out, that the changes (damage control) amount to much in the lives of the children. So she hugs them for show on camera. I doubt she is less stern with them any other time, or more attentive. She still will not go on a boy's outing. The twins are at an age where they will start to speak up and complain on camera so they pretty much have to let them get a break from filming when they want it. She is still nagging and correcting everything Jon says. And her hair? Seriously? It looks worse than every! It's a big, puffy, faddishly cut, skunk striped bubble!

tha squirrel watcha said...

For those that talked about the 'tups not matching & fully coiffed on their first day of school, let's not kid ourselves, that "first day" was obviously staged. But, just the fact that it was staged, the twins not being shown & the closed bathroom door shows progress for their privacy. Kate's hair, j&k's attitudes & bibs, sippy cups at the table & HIGHCHAIRS for 4 year olds show they have a long way to go...(sippies everywhere else & naps, hail, I'd ride those out until the end!)


I feel they have no more right to complain about how hard their lives are--the kids are old enough-they all go to the bathroom, the twins could shower on their own, they can clean up after themselves, they can dress themselves. They have money & freebies & nannies. If they MUST continue the show, they could focus on the 'tups development, their relationships in a large family, and for goodness sakes alive--the most obvious show should be a makeover for Kate!

Kate needs a personal trainer to overhaul her diet & a hair professional. They could show how hard she has to work against the pull of her pcos shaped body to keep it fit & the challenge of doing so with her lifestyle. They could show her undergoing therapy for her issues with whatever her problems are--they could, in other words, have a spinoff, "The Kate Show".

Yeah...

Anonymous said...

The second thing I noticed is that the tups were not all dressed up when they went to their first day of school. The girls' hair wasn't even combed. And while that might be the norm for the rest of us who really do have schedules too busy to think if these things, for Kate that must've been very difficult. The temptation to dress them to the nines with matching Gymboree outfits and hair bows must have been overwhelming. I was glad to see that she didn't give in to it."

Do you really believe that was the first day of school? It wasn't. They went there after hours or before school started to pretend it was the first day. On the first day of school, the cameras could not have avoided hordes of parents being there, coming and going at all hours. Nah, this was pure acting. At school? I'm sure they are all dressed in $$$ clothes and probably have Kate's private hairstylist style them.

Anonymous said...

Now...if we just can get rid if the bibs and naps for almost 5 year olds!!
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Once again, there is nothing wrong with naps for kids of this age. Many of us with young kids have commented before, as well as statistics have been shown that it is very common for kids this age to still nap and that they still need lots of sleep.

Anonymous said...

I think J & K Plus 8 became a hot program because of all the dysfunction, yelling, hitting, and people wanting to see a woman with 8 kids having a mental breakdown. It makes you feel normal.

With all the changes and sickening sweet acting on the show now, the level of excitement will soon peter out and the show will go away. Nobody wants to watch a perfect little family who won the lottery. They wanna see dysfunction!!! The only reason the Duggars are enjoyable is because of their very different way of living. If they were a family of 19 and as normal as you and me, nobody would give a flip.

So, all this damage control is going to be the downfall of this show. To boost ratings, all they have to do is have Kate whop Jon in the head, threaten to take your limbs off if you eat a strawberry, or lose her marbles over gum again.

jkaz said...

I'm afraid you may be giving them too much credit, as I don't for a minute believe that Mady's lower profile is in any way a sign of them respecting her wishes. In all likelihood Mady is being kept off camera since she has a tendency to speak her very bright little mind, often in a manner that does not make J&K look good! Gotta love Mady.

Anonymous said...

It has been changing but I hope that this isn't causing things to be even worse once the camera's are not rolling.

I was SHOCKED by the first day of school episode! The kids looked very sloppy, it was great that they had their own outfits but you can do that while having them neat and stuff. It may sound rude and nitpickish but I wouldn't send my kids out to school that way...

Anonymous said...

While it may be fake,I have hope that two good things will come from Kate's new found affection for her boys. First, the boys will enjoy the positive attention. Second, Kate will begin to appreciate how much fun it is to cuddle her children. She may even discover that she enjoys this simple pleasure far more than receiving yet another freebie.

ScarySkierNewJersey said...

Maybe Kate just isn't the "mommy" type. Yes, she's a mother but just because she gave birth to 8 kids doesn't mean she has that motherly instint. Remember in Cool Hand Luke, Paul Newman is standing beside that old pick up truck talking to his mother who is dying? She tells him she is leaving everything to his brother John because she never gave him the love she gave to Luke. She said "sometimes you just have a feeling for a child and not for the others." Maybe Kate just doesn't have that inside of her. There are times the hugs and kisses look a little forced and you can hear it in her voice. I have a guy at work who has basically raised his 11 and 14 year old sons on his own. Yes, he has a wife, their mother, but at an early age she told him "you wanted these kids.....you raise them." She shows them basically zero affection, never really has, but does go to their soccer games, take them places etc etc. She just has trouble showing affection. She comes across very cold and at times that is how Kate comes across to me.

She seems to have trouble relating to the boys and maybe, just maybe she could have made a little effort to attend the Phillies game with them. We have all, as parents, done things and gone places we would have rather not gone but we know that we want to be there for our kids and as Kate always stresses, make some memories. Why not attend the boys day out or the Phillies game since it wasn't just a "boys night out" since Cara was there.

Maybe mothering doesn't come easy to Kate and she over compensates by all the schedules, organization and cleanliness. She at times also looks ill at ease when Jon shows her affection. I am not making excuses for her, just throwing a thought out there.

Anonymous said...

jkaz said...
I'm afraid you may be giving them too much credit, as I don't for a minute believe that Mady's lower profile is in any way a sign of them respecting her wishes. In all likelihood Mady is being kept off camera since she has a tendency to speak her very bright little mind, often in a manner that does not make J&K look good! Gotta love Mady.
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I think you are right about that. When I first heard that Mady was being kept off camera I thought it was "damage control" in keeping with Mady's clear desire for privacy. What a naive thought - even for a moment! Of course, the real reason she's "off camera" is because she calls it like she sees it and KON can't have that. Having their very bright daughter interject commentary in her honest, uncensored, and childlike way would blow KON's scam and accompanying gravy train to bits. I wonder though if KON will take out their anger at Mady for piping up in mean ways that we do not see. I hope not. I suspect that Mady will be the one to write the "tell-all" book 20 years from now.

Anonymous said...

I'm afraid you may be giving them too much credit, as I don't for a minute believe that Mady's lower profile is in any way a sign of them respecting her wishes. In all likelihood Mady is being kept off camera since she has a tendency to speak her very bright little mind, often in a manner that does not make J&K look good! Gotta love Mady.

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jkaz, you beat me to it. I think this is the REAL reason we don't see Mady much (which is great for her).

Also, as for the kids not matching : they wear what is given/comped to them ,so the matchy-matchy outfits are from GAP or Gymboree, and the non-matchy outfits are from trendier companies like Lucky. (I love Lucky stuff and am very sad that they jumped on the KON bandwagon).

Anonymous said...

During the "Mr Mom" episode I cheered when Jon closed the bathroom door during bath time. Good for you Jon!! That was a good step forward! No more naked kids!! Now...if we just can get rid if the bibs and naps for almost 5 year olds!!
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And in the very next scene you see Aaden running by the camera wearing only his red undies........

Anonymous said...

Maybe mothering doesn't come easy to Kate

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Mothering doesn't come easy to Kate because mothering requires patience, love, discipline, compassion, and EFFORT.

tripletsmom said...

Little Aaden, I just love him. I wish I could cuddle him for hours on end. He needs that. These kids need more people in their life like Melissa, Jodi and Beth. I remember seeing Beth braiding the girls hair for pictures the day the photographer was at her house. The reason Kate wants a huge house is so that they don't have to go to other people's houses to get their picture taken. Jon is not the sharpest tack in the box, (he admitted that he didn't know how to spell aluminum on the episode where he was making recycle bins. He should have asked Mady or Cara) but I think he's more the "MOM" than Kate is. It does bother me alot that Kate doesn't go on outings with the boys and Jon. But, on the other hand, they do seem to have a better time when Kate's not there. The knob episode was very disturbing(as well as the gum episode). They are little kids and they all looked scared to death of her. I guarantee you that they all will remember that situation forever. That will be engraved in their minds. Kids don't forget that stuff. God bless all those children.

Rosey in Washington said...

I was so suprised when I watched the "Surviving Twins and Sextuplets:One Year Later" episode tonight.
Of course it showed their first KNOWN freebie-Kates tummy-tuck.

Anyway, at the end Jon and Kate are sitting on their bed folding laundry and Jon and Kate both say OVER AND OVER how much they just want to give their children "a normal life"...wow Jon and Kate you did a REAL good job doing that. LOL.

Also, yesterday TLC showed their FIRST ever special...you know the hour long one. And I was so taken aback because I had forgotten how "normal" Kate used to be at the beginning of all of this. And then I thought...wait a minute...she seems all nice and normal and not greedy BUT if the runors are true that are floating around on the internet the FIRST special was filmed AFTER she had already disowned her family for "not giving the tups matching cribs" and "demanding cash, and throwing a fit that not all the clothes that were donated were new".
So I guess Kate has been greedy and a shrew since we first saw her...I guess the greed and self-entitlment behavior has just increased with all the attention.

Just a thought.

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DreiBauernohneLand said...

I honestly don't think Kate can do anything right at this point. She's proven she isn't to be trusted and a turnaround in behavior for the cameras does not mean she's sought the help she needs.

haerrec said...

No doubt. But does it matter? If they would just take their kids off TV and let them have a life! Kate and Jon need professional help. If they would only admit it, they could have freebie therapy and write another book-- probably keep the gravy train rolling too.

Anonymous said...

did anyone ever think that maybe they were always this way, and now TLC is just being more conscious of how they are editing the show? all "reality" shows are edited to appear that they are something they are not. in my personal opinion, while these blogs are interesting to read, blogging isn't going to change anything. you guys need to find a way to take action beyond writing on a website. (but don't stop writing, because it's very interesting!)

Savannah said...

I have a feeling that when the show has run its course and everyone packs up and moves on-that'll be the day Jon and Kate call it quits as a couple. But then again, I could also see them being the noble type by waiting 'til the kids are out on their own. Hmm...that is, if they can hang that long. Stay tuned? In any event, I've noticed that J&K seem to be a "face value" type couple. All the world's a stage. They'd rather stay together, miserable, to play it off as love. I know a lot of the viewers have picked up on this as well.
Now-a-days it's hard enough to keep a marriage together unless two people work for it. Unfortunately for Jon and Kate, they have proven that they're not willing to work for anything. Case closed. May God bless the children, I hope they turn out ok despite all this nonsense going on around them.

ThreeScaryFarmers said...

A lot of us write letters. I've lost count of how many I've written to sponsors, media outlets, legislators. What this blog does best is attract people who are poking around online to learn more about the Gosselins. Hopefully new readers to GWOP mean more people to join the letter writing campaign. Hopefully, as people become more educated to the exploitive and fraudulent ways of the Gosselins, the more likely they will tune out and perhaps spread the word.

This blog is basically a clearinghouse for information, opinions, and ideas. For good or bad, sometimes a lot of nit-picking goes on, but if it keeps people talking, so be it. As long as people are talking, the campaign lives on.

Anonymous said...

I think that J&K were truly blessed when they had Jodi and Kevin, along with Beth and Bob in their lives. There are two couples who seem to be doing something right. Even though they had their own families (note: their children seemed happy, well-rounded too) still had plenty of love and time to share with the Gosselins. They are good people. J&K would be total fools (more so then they are now) not to make the first move back and mend fences with either or both. I know the children must miss them. I just hope for J&K's sake they didn't blow it.

vipersue said...

I was wondering if the reason the tups were dressed in jeans and tees instead of the usual matching Gynboree outfits had something to do with Kate's new "job" as Kmart spokesperson. I have never seen them leave the house looking like normal kids before and they looked like they dressed at Kmart this time.

Ilovemykids said...

So what if Kate and Jon have "cleaned up" their act in front of the camera. They are still using their children in order to make money. Their children are the breadwinners in that family and that is despicable.

nancy19 said...

Now...if we just can get rid if the bibs and naps for almost 5 year olds!!
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Once again, there is nothing wrong with naps for kids of this age. Many of us with young kids have commented before, as well as statistics have been shown that it is very common for kids this age to still nap and that they still need lots of sleep.

I could almost believe that the kids still need naps if I didn't believe that Kate is the one who needs the quiet time...The more time the woman has without the kids, the better she likes it. Disgusting, I can almost believe that these kids would be better off without KON. So sad...

Anonymous said...

What this blog does best is attract people who are poking around online to learn more about the Gosselins. Hopefully new readers to GWOP mean more people to join the letter writing campaign. Hopefully, as people become more educated to the exploitive and fraudulent ways of the Gosselins, the more likely they will tune out and perhaps spread the word.
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Well, let me just say that it's working! I thought I was the only person in the world who felt they were a scam. My SIL just loves the show and we would go 'round and 'round about it. One day I decided to "poke around online" ;) and I found this place! I am not alone! And now I have been writing to sponsors and telling others to do the same.

Anonymous said...

I agree that the blog is good, but I wonder if it's just superficial. Bickering on camera is one thing, but have you noticed that the little kids are far less articulate and well-mannered than Maddy and Cara in the very old specials? The sextuplets are the same age that the twins were, when the show started. However, the twins have grown to act out (Maddy) and withdraw (Cara), while the sextuplets seem much younger than their age.

Even if we don't see the hitting and yelling and put downs, I bet their still their. Even if they're not, Kate seems to want baby dolls instead of children.

Anonymous said...

This is a bit off topic but i tried to look at Aunt Jodi's sister's blog and it says it has been removed?

avasmommy said...

Ilovemykids said...
So what if Kate and Jon have "cleaned up" their act in front of the camera. They are still using their children in order to make money. Their children are the breadwinners in that family and that is despicable.

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I agree that yes it is still despicable that J&K are exploiting their children. But in all honesty, I don't see the show ending in the near future. Distant future, hopefully..but J&K are enjoying their celebrity life way too much to let it stop now. She said it herself, big things are yet to come. She is enticing her viewers by promising BIG things for watching. I don't think this thread is intended to say whether or not we as bloggers have helped the exploitation factor. However, even though it may be damage control, Kate has been slightly more tolerable at times during the filming of the show. Something is better than nothing. Even if it is something small that we are helping, it may be something HUGE to the kids. They deserve the hugs and kisses they've been getting lately, even if they are for the wrong reasons. I don't think we are supporting Kate or condoning anything she has/is doing. We are just acknowledge that what goes on here at GWoP is recognized and if we continue our efforts, hopefully the ultimate goal will be acheived. It is going to take a lot to get J&K to stop exploiting the kids and I realize that. But it isn't going to stop my efforts.

ThreeScaryFarmers said...

It's still there. It has a new entry, in fact.

CLICK HERE

Anonymous said...

Anon--Aunt Jodi's blog is still there...

http://www.truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

Excellent post by Julie. Why oh why can't Kate and Jon see this is beyond me! Oh wait, all they "see" are dollar signs.... :(

kelly s said...

Today, I looked ahead to the 11/3 episode description. It says " While en route to Hawaii, the gosselins stop in San Diego to visit Legoland Theme Park and then go on a safari at the zoo". I have to say this really pisses me off. Like Hawaii isnt enough of a trip, they stop in Calfornia to visit yet another theme park.

The main thing i am pissed at- they pulled these kids out of school for another vacation. Like over the summer, they didnt have enough fun and "experiences". They are interfering with school work now. These kids are "experiencing" things that normal families do not. Normal families do not go to theme parks every other week (it seems they do) go on all these vacations and get pulled out of school to go on a double vacation. IMO, this is a prime example of J&K pimping out their children for a buck. Not to mention, how spoiled these kids will become with time. J&K i am calling you out on this fact. This tv show DOES interfere with thier lives. What school work is not important? Great for setting an example, J&K. I think in thier mind they say "Lets keep going on vacations because its not interupting our jobs since we do not have one". It is just disgusting how this family has become.

Anonymous said...

Wow..the more I see of J&K+8-the more it blows my mind. I feel ashamed that I actually enjoyed watching it at one time. To continue the show is definitely poor judgement on J&K's part. The children ARE being robbed of their childhood. I mean, why so many episodes? Well, I guess that's a stupid question......
more episodes = more $$$ for J&K

ThreeScaryFarmers said...

The main thing i am pissed at- they pulled these kids out of school for another vacation. Like over the summer, they didnt have enough fun and "experiences". They are interfering with school work now. These kids are "experiencing" things that normal families do not. Normal families do not go to theme parks every other week (it seems they do) go on all these vacations and get pulled out of school to go on a double vacation. IMO, this is a prime example of J&K pimping out their children for a buck. Not to mention, how spoiled these kids will become with time. J&K i am calling you out on this fact. This tv show DOES interfere with thier lives. What school work is not important? Great for setting an example, J&K. I think in thier mind they say "Lets keep going on vacations because its not interupting our jobs since we do not have one". It is just disgusting how this family has become.

Kelly, I believe that the trip to San Diego was while they were on their way to Hawaii which took place over the summer before school started. The shows are not being aired in the order in which they were shot. (Which happens a lot, particularly with reality shows.)

Sue said...

Check out the "Letters to the Editor" in People Magazine this week. There's only one letter. It says something to the effect that the writer is sick of hearing about the Gosselins and that they are not the only large family in America. I think it's interesting that the one letter they chose to print is not positive.

Barbara said...

I think one thing that surprises me a lot here is the way everyone seems to think Mady's behavior is o.k. She is excused by saying she is being exploited and forced in front of a camera. But that's true for all of them and none of them act as badly as Mady. What about her reaction to Kate telling Leah about the dog on the GH photo shoot and Mady had a big melt down because she wanted to be the one to tell them. Would you excuse your child for behaving the way Mady does? I agree J&K are NOT the ideal parents and make lots of mistakes, but I don't think that kicking at balloons, being jealous of Cara because she is athletic, angry that Cara got the piano (after Mady got the Violin), and so many other things is acceptable. Now if you are talking about how she behaves when they are on all the TV shows or magazine shoots, that is different. I am sure she hates that -- who wouldn't if you were a kid. For Kate to say they love those days (the GH shoot) is absurd. Anyway, that's just my take on Mady. Even my 8 year old granddaughter agrees about Mady's behavior.

Anonymous said...

In the post from rosey in washington (10/23/08 7:57pm)said in regard to Kate-
"....disowned her family for "not giving the tups matching cribs" and "demanding cash, and throwing a fit that not all the clothes that were donated were new".

I believe I read this as well. I think it was Kate's parents along with people from her parent's church. That is so sad. Furthermore, the embarrassment the parents must have felt. I'm sure they did not teach her to be unappreciative. One thing I liked about Jon and Kate was the way they LED us to believe that they were promoting "togetherness" as a family. For example, after a quarrel, they would have the children apologize and hug. I thought that was cute. Showing them not to be mean and hurt one another because they will always be family. With family (big or small sized) there's a certain love we should never lose sight of because it IS a tough world out there. But back on track...there were other parenting skills they utilized, as well, that demonstrated J&K's own "value strong" upbringing. Of course, with children, repetition is the key to learning such values. With all this camera riff raff surrounding the G kids developing lives, how will they (J&K) be able to promote these values on a daily basis?
I am in agreement with most of the posters on this sight. The Gosselin children do need to be protected from J&K. Love of money and the prospect of not having to hold down jobs have blinded their perception. Jon says "...I would go to the ends of the earth for my children." If I could talk with him, I would probably say - "...the sooner the better there Jon. Right what is wrong here. Stop thinking of yourself and Kate and protect your children. Be a real Father. Heck, be a man!"

Anonymous said...

I believe the expression is "Man Up!"

Anonymous said...

Barbara, from what I read and know, it's far from everyone thinking that Mady's behavior is acceptable. Jon and Kate both need to sit back and see how their own behavior and parenting decisions are affecting their children.

carlsbad05 said...

I realize filming the show is a big part of their life but it is not 24/7. I think it's naive to assume that because KON or the network is more CAREFUL about what is filmed or edited out, that the changes (damage control) amount to much in the lives of the children.

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I agree. I barely made it through a quarter of the posts on this subject, but this poster nailed it. While I feel encouraged by the original posters' words, I still remain skeptical. I no longer watch the show, so maybe I'm in no position to say too much. I will just be relieved once the show is off the air. But a big thank you to this website and people who are actively calling and writing Kmart, TLC, etc. I hope you are bringing about change!

tripletsmom said...

I read a blog by figgiesworld on another website titled "Jon and Kate plus 8 Frauds" that said that Jon and Kate inherited into the millions when Jon's father passed. Does anyone know if this is true?

Anonymous said...

jon's father's will would be public record.

So instead of speculating, why not look it up.

jkaz said...

Barbara -

I don't think anyone would disagree with you that Mady's behavior can be troubling. She has been seen numerous times hitting her younger siblings, has many tantrums which she seems too old to have, and is enormously jealous of Cara. However, I also think that the primary problem is the way J&K handle these episodes - or more accurately, don't handle it.

This was most obvious to me on the ski trip episode. When Kate asked Mady if she had a good time, Mady hesitated, then said "No." Now to me, this was a call for help - for someone to listen to her, to find out what was troubling her. Instead, she got "Well then next time you can just stay home!" Mady was enormously frustrated by that - "No...but....I....", followed by tears and running off to her room, slamming the door. Kate's reaction was what she always does when Mady melts down - *sigh* "that child" "always something" "you never know with Mady" - take your pick, it was something along those lines.

I mean jeez louise, how blind can these people be?? This kid is seriously stressed and in need of care by responsible, loving adults (Aunt Jodi, are you there?) who will take the time to listen to her and take her seriously. And she does not need this to happen in front of the world!

And btw, all of the above applies to Cara as well. Her increasing shyness and quiet though obvious unhappiness is even more unhealthy - at least Mady vents!

funkycatt said...

Well, personally, I have one change I would like to see on the show. That is Jon and Kate responding to the criticism of how much the kids work by voluntarily holding themselves to the standards that professional child actors are held to. So that means, if professional actors on a non-scripted show can only work an hour without a break, then that's what the Gosselins kids should do. If that means that Jon and Kate set aside X amount of money for each kid in accounts that the parents can't touch, then they should do that.

All the damage control and lip service on TV means nothing to me until they are held to the same standards that professional child actors are. Jon and Kate can choose to prove to the world that they have their children's best interest at heart, or not. Its up to them. I believe the kids deserve the best.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure this has been addressed before but the fact that Jon and Kate keep saying they have asked their children if they want to continue filming and because they do not object they keep filming really bugs me. This is a grown up decision. This burden should not be put on four year olds and eight year olds. Of course the kids say they want to continue. They can see the joy their parents get out of it. They see all the trips and gifts and utlimately they just want to please their parents. I can't believe they even utter this burdensome question to their children. When the children are older and possibly question their parent's decisions, will the parents say "well, we asked you if you wanted to continue on the show when you were four, five, six?". It blows my mind parents would ask young children this question. Very irresponsible. I hope the PR firm recommends they get rid of that answer.

Anonymous said...

Here is an idea for Kon's next book:

THE GOSSELIN'S GUIDE TO GREED FOR DUMMIES

For $29.95 you too can learn how be selfish and take advantage of people! Here are some tips in our book!

1. Claim to have PCOS and then have IVF treatments.

2. After having multiples, tell society that they have a responsiblity to take care of them since we all know that "fertility treatments cause multiples".

3. Act like you're the only people in the world that have multiples and 8 kids.

4. ONLY accept items that match! NO MISMATCHED ITMES! People should know that! LORDY BE!

5. After getting an addition built onto your house, make sure that you complain and say hateful things about it. DO NOT APPRECIATE IT.

6. Exploit your multiples and quit your jobs. When you start filming YOUR show make sure to make YOUR "wishes" known so that they can AND will be granted. Get freebies, trips and live the "Glamorous Life". Remember, society owes it to you. Never mind the economic hardships of others, you have your own "economic hardship" sitting out in the garage watching your kids play and having someone cook for you.

Make sure to charge $$,$$$ for your "talks" and charge $20.00 for pictures of your family. Oh, and make sure that they take up a love offering every time. Forget that people are losing their jobs and homes due to the economy. WHO CARES! You need the money more than they do!!

7. Let people send your kids Christmas presents...Who are you to say no? Never mind that your kids already have been given lots of free toys, clothes, etc. and there are needy children out there.

8. When given freebies, if it is too hot to wear or it doesn't fit, complain about it then make sure to throw it down on the floor and stomp off. Nevermind that someone spent time to make it for you.

9. When you are done with the freebies have a "Greedy" Garage sale and then pocket the money. Remember, you have worked hard pricing the freebies and setting things up but more importantly getting "gawked" at by the "fans".

10. DO NOT give to charities or help anyone else but yourself. YOU have "worked" hard for this money and are so exhausted.

11. Constantly complain about your next house being "too small" so that the production company will build you a free 2 million dollar home.

And finally, the most important tip of all...

12. All family and friends who have helped you or tried..., need to be "thrown away" like a teddy bear with gum stuck on it. Tell them they are nothing and that they WILL NOT get paid for being on the show. You are the "STARS", not them. You don't need them anymore because you have free help.

meowmeow said...

Notice that TLC is rerunning the OLD Kate lately? The one a lot of us, maybe liked? WOW, that was a LONG time ago!!!!

I think even Jon liked her then!!

Anonymous said...

meowmeow said...
Notice that TLC is rerunning the OLD Kate lately? The one a lot of us, maybe liked? WOW, that was a LONG time ago!!!!


What I see in Kate present day only confirms the suspicions I had of her in the past. She didnt fool me then and she certainly hasnt convinced me now.

Anonymous said...

anonymous said:
jon's father's will would be public record.

So instead of speculating, why not look it up.



Wills are public records, but non will instruments (like trusts, life insurance, etc.) are private documents. A person can take care of most, if not all, of their assets in non will instruments and then have a will that wouldn't have a lot of $$$ information.

sabrinasmom said...

13. Make sure the riddance of "extras" is done as soon as they are of no use to you - the less "evidence" the better.

14. In all relationships, personal, especially family (don't forget the in-laws), make sure they sign confidentiality agreements so they cannot use their "evidence" against you.

15. Take note of States which have the most lenient Child Labor laws, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, are good choices but California is a no-no. Make sure you make the most of house square footage.

poeticsongbird said...

I think J & K Plus 8 became a hot program because of all the dysfunction, yelling, hitting, and people wanting to see a woman with 8 kids having a mental breakdown. It makes you feel normal.
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I have to disagree with the reader her posted this. I'm sorry. The reason why Jon and Kate + 8 became a popular show was not because of the dysfunction, because in the beginning it simply was not dysfunctional.

It was a normal Christian family who just happened to have a lot of kids who look alike. A show that documented Kate's struggles as a mom both financially, and emotionally.

The show LATER became dysfunctional etc.. When they started raking in the big bucks! The money and "fame" went to their heads. The show is no longer what it once was.

AND, although it may be more popular than it once was, it is for very different and negative reasons. A majority of viewers now watch the show no longer as fans, but as people who are appalled by these horrible "parents"