New Episode - "Back to School" October 13, 2008

After a fun-filled summer, Jon and Kate prepare for the twins to head back to school and for the sextuplets to start their first year of pre-school! There's lots to do as all eight kids to head to school for the first time in Gosselin history.

198 comments:

ThreeFarmers said...

"...first time in Gosselin history." They make it sound like it's some monumental event in the history of our country or something.

I hope those kids are able to have a positive experience at school. They so much need to be around other kids and adults who aren't involved with the stupid show.

Ilovemykids said...

Well, it was a "filled" summer, though I'm not sure if it was too much fun for the kids.

Anonymous said...

That should read, "After a work-filled summer for the twins and sextuplets..."

Anonymous said...

So, now the twins go back to school for more teasing and ridicule from what their classmates see on that pathetic show. I'm sure they just can't wait!

Mrs. P said...

I really hope the cameras are not allowed at school. :(

Anonymous said...

'First time in Gosselin history'.

Stop the press, history is in the making ! All the Gosselin children are attending school at the same time. While the rest of America fear the loss of their jobs, home, 401K and retirement.

Anonymous said...

Since everyone is 'back to school' maybe the excessive trips and outings will stop or at least slow down.

erin said...

3F said: "'...first time in Gosselin history.' They make it sound like it's some monumental event in the history of our country or something."

I think it sounds like a big moment in the Gosselin family history (kind of like it says). That phrase is pretty self explanatory.

Anonymous said...

'First time in Gosselin history'.

Stop the press, history is in the making ! All the Gosselin children are attending school at the same time. While the rest of America fear the loss of their jobs, home, 401K and retirement.


They did say 'Gosselin history', not US history. Are you saying the Gosselins shouldnt celebrate the first day of school because of the financial crisis? Should the Gosselins and the rest of the US stop living our lives and give in to the crisis? I don't think so. Not me anyway.

ThreeFarmers said...

'First time in Gosselin history'.

Stop the press, history is in the making ! All the Gosselin children are attending school at the same time. While the rest of America fear the loss of their jobs, home, 401K and retirement.


They did say 'Gosselin history', not US history. Are you saying the Gosselins shouldnt celebrate the first day of school because of the financial crisis? Should the Gosselins and the rest of the US stop living our lives and give in to the crisis? I don't think so. Not me anyway.

I just think the top response was due to the fact that it's frustrating to watch the Gosselin's live their seemingly worry free life that they've acquired on the backs of their children when the rest of us are too busy not giving into the financial crisis.

Again, it's a matter of too much of the good life on tv and not enough of it on the table. It's hard to watch, particularly when the Gosselins are constantly trying to present themselves as "just like us" only with a reality show.

They aren't just like us and their show isn't reality.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
'First time in Gosselin history'.

Stop the press, history is in the making ! All the Gosselin children are attending school at the same time. While the rest of America fear the loss of their jobs, home, 401K and retirement.

They did say 'Gosselin history', not US history. Are you saying the Gosselins shouldnt celebrate the first day of school because of the financial crisis? Should the Gosselins and the rest of the US stop living our lives and give in to the crisis? I don't think so. Not me anyway.

I read the original post as snark. Not suggested to be taken literally.

Linda said...

3F Says: They aren't just like us and their show isn't reality.

My reality doesn't include free trips to Disney, Florida Keys, Hawaii, etc. And 3F you are a stitch - love your commentary!

Anonymous said...

What will Katie Irene get up to while the kids are all at school? Stay tuned, losers who love her.

I really hope the kids do well in school because they haven't had to interact with people who didn't care who they were or how many of them there are (like other kids from other families) for a long time. The cameras surely are not being allowed in the school, I hope. Poor Mady and Cara -- I can only imagine what the summer shows will have done to their reputations at school. Lots of fodder for the bullies.

Anonymous said...

On the last FAQ episode, Jon said something about the twins wearing uniforms to school, yet we've seen them come and go numerous times even in the most recent season, and never once were they wearing uniforms. In the People article, they say the twins attend a "small private school", yet they seem to be getting on and off a public schoolbus. With all those inconsistencies, it wouldn't surprise me if they aren't in fact home-schooled (by tutors paid for by TLC or someone else, obviously)and all the off-to-school-and-back stuff is just staged. I hope I'm wrong, because those girls really, really, really need to get away from the circus they have for a home, and really, really, really need some adult role models besides their obnoxious parents and other parasites living off their exploitation.

Anonymous said...

ThreeFarmers: The show was probably filmed in late August or early September before the financial crisis exploded.

Anonymous said...

they say the twins attend a "small private school", yet they seem to be getting on and off a public schoolbus

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Not sure about the uniform thing - I will have to observe more carefully. As for the schoolbus, many private schools charter schoolbuses. However, TLC, er, I mean the Gosselin family, has to pay extra to use the service.

Ravello said...

The tups will really benefit from preschool, I hope it is a positive eexperience for them. I hope the boys love their teacher and have a positive relationship with a female. (Presuming they have a female teacher). I hope the teacher makes them feel really special, something their mother does not do.

Someone wondered what Kate will do while they are in school- probably she same thing she normally does, sleep late, boss Jon around, take an afternoon nap. Supervise the hired help.

Anonymous said...

Re the public school bus going to private school: We live on LI, NY. My daughter went to private school K-12. Because we were still required to pay school taxes, our busing and non-religious textbooks were provided by the school district. PA May have the same arrangement. I would not read too much into the school bus.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:43 AM said,
Jon said something about the twins wearing uniforms to school, yet we've seen them come and go numerous times even in the most recent season, and never once were they wearing uniforms.


?? The girls do wear uniforms. They wear khakis and a white polo shirt. My son wears the same uniform at his school.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 10:43-
Actually, we have seen the twins in their uniforms - they're just not the "traditional" parochial type that most folks think of when they hear "uniform". If you notice, they always wear a white collared shirt to and from school with either khaki colored pants/skirts. Here in CA, we have some schools that do the same - they have colors (like navy, dark green, white) they request that the kids be dressed in for school daily, with rules as to shirt/short lenghts, collars on shirts, no logos, etc. I know parents here really like it because it gives them a lot of flexibilty when shopping for clothes, especially when the elements of the "uniform" can be purchased at say, Target, verses ordering specialty clothes. Hope that made sense and helps.

Anonymous said...

Stay tuned folks...just as all 8 children get adjusted to school life, new teachers, and hopefully new friends, it will be time to say goodbye and leave it all behind because Mom and Dad are going to rip you kids away from everyone and everything you have ever known to move into your brand new mansion in North Carolina that you've bought them. Didnt' they tell you? So much for stability.

Cincymom said...

Public school buses are required to transport private students in many cases, varies state to state. In Ohio, they are required if there are more than x amount of kids in the same public district going to the same private school no more than 30 minutes away. Don't know about Pa.

Anonymous said...

"I really hope the kids do well in school because they haven't had to interact with people who didn't care who they were or how many of them there are (like other kids from other families) for a long time."

The good thing is that the other kids will be too young to really have anything bad to say about the kids. I hope the parents of the other students restrain their language and comments for the sake of the Gosselin children, since you know children repeat everything they hear at this age.

On the last FAQ episode, Jon said something about the twins wearing uniforms to school, yet we've seen them come and go numerous times even in the most recent season, and never once were they wearing uniforms. In the People article, they say the twins attend a "small private school", yet they seem to be getting on and off a public schoolbus.

The twins wear khaki pants/skirts and white tops as their school clothes. Uniforms nowadays aren't always the plaid skirts and vests like I wore in school (I went to Catholic school). Even our local public schools have the children dressing in this manner.

As for the school bus issue - if the school district would provide transportation for the children to go to a public school then I believe they are required to do so if the children go to a private school in the same school district. At least that's how it works in my community (I live in Northeastern PA).

I don't want it to sound like I'm defending them or something, but I also try to point out the truth no matter if it is in their favor or not.

Anon 10:43 I hope you are wrong when you speculate if this is staged or not. I think it's accurate. First of all, can you see Kate Gosselin home schooling anyone? And what about the material for upcoming episodes - home schooling would provide tons of it. No, I think they go to schools outside the home.

Anonymous said...

It will be fun to see the kids going off to school. They are growing up so fast. Kate is a good mom and they will be fine.

Iama said...

I am eager to see if all the sextuplets are in a class with other children or are they in a class by themselves. It would be ideal if there were three different classrooms, have two children go into each one. If it were my school I would suggest that one girl and one boy in a class. This would foster their independence and give them opportunities to play with other children.

Anonymous said...

I think the twins uniforms just have to be white shirts/blouses and either khaki or black skirts, pants, or capris.

Anonymous said...

Kate is a good mom
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um...................WHAT?

Ilovemykids said...

Anonymous said...
It will be fun to see the kids going off to school. They are growing up so fast. Kate is a good mom and they will be fine.


Agreed the kids will be fine - away for a few hours from their mother.

Anonymous said...

iama,
Exactly! Although it would have to be quite a large preschool to have 3 different pre-k classrooms, your suggestion of 2 per room (1 boy, 1 girl) would be ideal. Many of the parents of multiples that I know do request their kids be separated into different classes at school. I don't know that Kate or Jon would be able to see the benefit of this though.

Anonymous said...

We are in PA and our son goes to a private school. Busing is provided to the students. By law, public school buses must be provided within a ten mile radius.

If the Gosselins live more than ten miles from the school (I'm not sure of the exact mileage), they have to pay a small fee for the busing (as per the school's website).

ScarySkierNewJersey said...

The aren't next to each other on the couch because "they are pressed for time." It is nice to see Jon getting and opportunity to talk without Kate butting in.

A Mom-ynous said...

"On the last FAQ episode, Jon said something about the twins wearing uniforms to school, yet we've seen them come and go numerous times even in the most recent season, and never once were they wearing uniforms"

They have worn uniforms plenty. The uniform is a white polo shirt with navy shorts/skort/skirt.

Pretty simple uniform and pretty common in our neck of the woods for school uniforms. We are in Florida--so year round it is a polo and pant or short or skirt. Aside from the logo it would appear that everyone just happens to shop in the same store. :)

A Mom-ynous said...

" yet they seem to be getting on and off a public schoolbus. "

The government doesn't hold the copyright on a yellow school bus.

Again--around here, plenty of private schools have them. Companies rent them.

I went to a school in New Orleans that was public, but the bussing service was hired as at the time city students provided their own transport or took public transport. The busses were owned by a private company. My parents had to pay for that service.

There are even small daycares that own a "school" bus.

The twins rode a short bus, so it wasn't a standard sized school bus. (and not to be confused with an inappropriate reference to a special needs bus--their bus is literally a "short" bus)

Anonymous said...

Did Kate seriously say that their birth order was designed by God? God decided in which order the doctor would pull the babies out of her?

A Mom-ynous said...

oops--i meant khaki.

navy blue is what our parochial school wears. oops. :)

A Mom-ynous said...

"Did Kate seriously say that their birth order was designed by God? God decided in which order the doctor would pull the babies out of her?"

As a Christian I do believe God does have a say in such matters.

However their names were determined by the alphabet. ABCDEF. We named our sextuplets the same way a few weeks ago.






***they are bunnies!!!!!

And note--hubby just channel flopped to ALF on WGN in case someone wants something else to watch. HAH! (alf humour!_

Anonymous said...

I loved them doing the couch interviews separate. We actually got to hear Jon talk without Kate nagging at him and interrupting him. Oh, and what is up with Kates hair? It looks very weird. She looks very tired and worn down to me. Anyone else know that.

Lastly, why do they drive an hour to take their kids to a pre school? It's not college for goodness sakes, it's pre school for 4 YEAR OLDS!!!

Anonymous said...

So Hannah weighs the most. This is not a surprise. And I guess Kate had to show off her Hawaiian tan by wearing that halter top to the dr. Her hair looked hideous in this episode.

A Mom-ynous said...

Okay--just catching up to my TIVO...

But interesting...scroll if you will.

How Stuff Works just popped up a tidbit at the bottom of my screen in the first couple of minutes with a "Did you know".


It said--"Did you know that 4 year olds can sleep up to 14 hours a day?"

Caught my eye as I hear it frequently discussed about the tots naptimes and sleep times and found it a rather...coincidental "did you know" placement.

Is this Pop-Up Gosselins?

Steph said...

most boring episode...ever

Anonymous said...

Did you notice they were the only ones there when they dropped off, even though they said they weren't early, they were barely on time. Also, they were the only ones there at pick up. Staged? They keep talking about "other kids", or did they make them all clear the room when they got there. Also, their backpacks...free from Gymboree, I'm sure, I recognize them.

Anonymous said...

I was also wondering where the other preschool kids and parents were.

More free toys--Tonka trucks.

Anonymous said...

The kids are all in the same class. They were filmed before school and after actual drop off...so as not to record other children on their footage.

Anonymous said...

Where was Mady and Cara?

This show is so boring now that they're trying to revamp Kate and Jon's image. Everything is so damage control contrived it's ridiculous.

A Mom-ynous said...

On a positive note:

I think pre-school for this episode was very staged. It is quite obvious there are more kids in class but not a soul in sight.
So I think it was a special private session for filming.

trivialityofthesand said...

Just as an FYI -- I attended a private parochial school and the school had an arrangement with the community for bus service. The district public school buses always picked up our students and dropped us off. We even used the public school buses for field trips and stuff.

A Mom-ynous said...

"Lastly, why do they drive an hour to take their kids to a pre school? It's not college for goodness sakes, it's pre school for 4 YEAR OLDS!!!"

I wondered the same thing--but it appears this is their church b/c the hallway and the classroom entrance look exactly the same.

If is their church then I understand why they would commute to the pre-school.

While not an hour--many folks will do the same thing around here b/c they prefer to be with their church family.

Anonymous said...

What in the sam hell is going on with Kate's hair? Good lord - surely she can afford a stylist. It's horrendously horrendous! Do these people OWN a mirror??

nettey said...

How long have they preached about schedule and consistency? They have had naptime forever and we know it starts at 1:00. Then why would you enroll your children in afternoon preschool? They are up anyway to get the twins to school. They could pick up the sextuplets and bring them home to nap or allow them to sleep in the car. You are setting them up for behavior problems.

Anonymous said...

So if they are having the kids come early to school and hang around afterwards just to compensate for filming why is this considered "reality tv"? They are clearly not just filming their days as they happen. Why do all their fans insist that the kids are not subject to things like production delays and retakes when it's right there on the screen to see!

ScarySkierNewJersey said...

Why are the kids wearing crocs while learning to ride their bikes without training wheels? Crocs are comfortable and easy for the kids to romp around in, but offer very little support or protection against a fall or drag on a bike. Gotta love Joel being the first to ride a bike without training wheels........In your face Kate!

Anonymous said...

It is their church. Kate said a while back in an episode that she wanted the kids to go to the same pre-school at their church because that is where Maddy and Cara went. That's an hour away.

I don't think the pre-school out their way staged. I think those scenes were just shot after all the parents and kids left.

I am assuming Mady and Cara were in school.

And none of them nap anymore. Jon said in the first episode that it is more like like quiet time now. So they might as well go with afternoon pre-school.

Anonymous said...

Heh - I was really really frightened of Kate's hair tonight. I thought it was going to jump out of my tv screen to kill me. Maybe it just wanted to be free or something.

I don't really know what to think about this episode. It weirded me out how upset Kate got (though she was controlled about it) that Hannah was heavier then the boy tup.

It bugged me that they were upset that Joel was small - WHO CARES?!

I did chortle a little when they were playing with the tonka trucks. Kon made it seem like they had those toys already (maybe I heard wrong) and then one of the girls was like "Ooh, this is fun, thanks for letting me play with this product placement truck".

Yay for Joel for learning how to ride the bike first. High-five to you, you future BMX-er.

Anonymous said...

My reality doesn't include free trips to Disney, Florida Keys, Hawaii, etc.
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Their reality does. I think you'd have to put yourself on T.V. to find a reality that perfectly reflects your own. I would personally be bored to watch a show that was about someone exactly like me living a life exactly like mine with the exact same experiences.

My reality does not include living in a house, but I don't begrudge people who live in houses. My reality does not include having children, but I do not begrudge those that do. My reality does not involve a great number of things that other people have, but I think it's an awful lot of "begrudging" to do to hold it against people who have more than I do.

LoriP said...

This episode was a snoozefest! It's great to see the kids going off to school, but no other kids were insight. I hope they did that just for filming purposes and no cameras will be allowed in after that.

I did like that they interviewd J&K by themselves. It was nice to hear what Jon had to say (while very boring and repetitive at times) without Kate interupting him.

And who was it that rode the bike by himself? Joel? If so...WTG Joel!!! That was an awesome moment to see!

Lonnyswife said...

I just tried to post over at the Mr Mom epi about kate's invention of a new word. It could have been on this eip though.
The word is stample.
As in:
"A boy tup dropped his paper and a girl tup stampled it"

Anonymous said...

"Then why would you enroll your children in afternoon preschool?"

because that program is only in the afternoon.

Anonymous said...

I hate to admit this but those Tonka trucks were really cool and I'm thinking that would make a great Christmas present for my DS. UGH...maybe I can find something just like it???

Kristyn said...

So Hannah weighs the most. This is not a surprise.

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Not cool to say that about a little girl.

Anyway, way to go Joel for riding so well! Oh, and if this had been the "real" Kate portrayed from the get-go, they wouldn't be in the deep doo-doo they are now with the public. Because she's actually semi-enjoyable in these episodes.

Anonymous said...

It weirded me out how upset Kate got (though she was controlled about it) that Hannah was heavier then the boy tup.

It bugged me that they were upset that Joel was small - WHO CARES?!
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Well maybe if Hannah didn't get to eat all of Joel's cupcakes his weight could catch up and Hannah's can slow down! Big Surprise, genius Kate.

Anonymous said...

I liked Kate in this episode. I think that she was kind with the children and seemed very loving.

Anonymous said...

In one breath, KON are saying that they actually will NOT change the kids into examination gowns (which is another example of their high and mighty entitled attitude that they would not go along with standard protocol) and then in the next scene the boys are wearing examination gowns ?

And, I was very saddened to see the cameras at the pre-school. Hopefully this was just a "first day" thing.

NotAPerfectMom said...

I am guessing that other children were not shown at the school so that they wouldn't be on camera. Makes sense, I think, and I am glad they took that precaution.

Anonymous said...

Oooop, sorry, forgot to add something in my last post:

WAY TO GO JOEL! I was so happy for him .

Anonymous said...

Where was Mady in EITHER episodes? I didn't see her once!

Anonymous said...

Her pink halter top at the beginning is bugging me.
1 because I know its from loft and I love that store.
2. because when she turned around you could see the tan lines from her Hawaiian tan. both disgusting

Anonymous said...

The eye roll after the stample comment was messed up and a slap in the face of the teacher. Looks like someone is going to discipline her kids.

Misty said...

I noticed that the tups were not all dressed alike in this episode at school. AND - did you guys notice that they parked the big urban assault vehicle sideways and then the white van next to it in the driveway to create some sort of wall? I guess that's in lieu of signs? Haha. I thought it was funny - the family who hides behind their giant van. LOL :)

ThreeFarmers said...

Did anyone else notice that the side of the deck where they sat for the GH photo was boarded off?

There were spaces between the slats, so I'm guessing it's for privacy? Can't have those neighbors staring.

allison parker said...

I like everything about this except Kate. I know she kind of mellowed down a tiny bit, but she still gets on my nerves. Why did she show up in the clinic for the kids' check-up looking like a ten cent h**ker? Okay, pardon my word, but I do not like her choice of outfit lately...
Hey Kate, you should teach your kids not to "stample" on a paper, especially if it belongs to your sibling. You should teach them not to have sibling's rivalry. But if you do that, you shouldn't label them, like whose the leader, etc, etc. because that doesn't help either. Oh, and by the way the right word is "stomp".
On the other hand, hooray for Joel! I clapped when Joel was able to bike on his own. I feel bad that Leah was unable to bike because her one foot is weaker than the other or something like that. I hope mommy and daddy keep encouraging them so they don't get frustrated.

Anonymous said...

I live an hour away from the gosselins. Yes, in Pa the public school system MUST provide transportation to private school..within reasonable distance. The parents still have to pay public school tax in pa if thier children go to private school. Just thought you would like to know .

sabrinasmom said...

another freudian slip

"I take the kids 3 by 3 - boys versus girls."

HHmmmm

in your mind Kate.

Anonymous said...

Joel actually got some love from Kate (after being the first to graduate to biking on two wheels)?! I haven't seen anything like that in ages.

Excuse me, but I think I see flying pigs in the sky now...

Anonymous said...

A Mom-ynous said...
On a positive note:

I think pre-school for this episode was very staged. It is quite obvious there are more kids in class but not a soul in sight.
So I think it was a special private session for filming.

10/13/2008 7:14 PM

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It was staged. There were no cars or kids in sight. But don't call it acting! The kids weren't acting! Heaven forbid! They LOVE doing this stuff!

Could this show being any more PR driven? Damage control? Kate smile! We'll edit out all the complaining and whining by Kate!Boring!

Anonymous said...

You know what's sad is, the tups getting teased in school. It may not begin happening now, but by Kindergarten teasing starts. And I can just see kids picking on them, mainly because of their mother. "I see you mom on TV, she's so mean!" Or "I saw you throw and potty up on TV - hahaha." Whatever. There will be so much for them to deal with. I just don't get why these parents don't see what a disaster they're creating for years and years, maybe a lifetime, for these kids. It's terrible to even think about what they'll be going through, and they will go through it.

Anonymous said...

I think it's sad that they're trying so hard to do damage control but can care less about what Paul Petersen is trying to address here. You'd think they'd stop the obvious acting going on with the kids and make an effort to stop it. But we've seen now the kids "pretend" to do crafts, where winter clothes in the dead of summer and look miserable, sit on a set for I don't know how many hours to do a photoshoot and "act" like they're going to school when obviously there was no school in session, no cars in the parking lot and no other kids in site and again, the kids are forced to act. Unbelievable.

I can't wait for some kind of laws to take place for these kids.

Anonymous said...

Overall, the two episodes were certainly better than what we've seen recently. There were only 2 things that bothered me about this one.

1. Kate was talking up preschool and she "slipped" and said that the kids were learning to make friends. She caught herself VERY quickly and it looked for just a second as if she thought about saying, "well, they know how to make friends" or, "well, they have friends." Either way, she stammered and then changed the subject. Yeah Kate, we know the kids don't have any friends outside of the family.

2. The whole Joel is smaller than a girl thing. And Jon always tells him he needs to eat up so he can get big and strong. Not a bad thing to tell a kid, but his motive is just ridiculous. "Lord help me if my son is smaller than his sisters. It CAN NOT happen!"

avidshrewwatcher said...

Way to go Joel! Yes, my friends, a yucky boy finally triumphs and does something before the girls! Maybe it was me, but the Shrew seemed a bit aggitated by this revelation! HA! Keep it up, buddy!

Anonymous said...

I was so proud of Joel being the first to ride a bike without training wheels.

FINALLY he gets the positive attention he deserves!

Anonymous said...

threefarmers said...
"Did anyone else notice that the side of the deck where they sat for the GH photo was boarded off?

There were spaces between the slats, so I'm guessing it's for privacy? Can't have those neighbors staring"

I could be wrong, but I thought I heard Jon tell one of the kids to close a gate to the porch to make sure the "animals dont get in" So either they have a pet or raccoons (or something of the sort) have been getting on the porch. Im voting the later.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Kate's moving up in the clothing world for the boys. They were wearing Lucky Brand shirts and jeans in the faux preschool scenes. They sell those at Nordstroms. Gymboree I guess isn't cutting it for her anymore?

http://shop.nordstrom.com/S/2977175?Category=&Search=True&SearchType=keywordsearch&keyword=lucky+brand+in+Baby+%26+Kids%27+Apparel&origin=searchresults

Anonymous said...

On the last FAQ episode, Jon said something about the twins wearing uniforms to school, yet we've seen them come and go numerous times even in the most recent season, and never once were they wearing uniforms. In the People article, they say the twins attend a "small private school",
They have been in uniforms several times- white shirts and khaki pants. As far as busing goes, in this area all kids are entitled to use public school buses if their school is within 15 miles of their home- regardless of whether the school is public or private. No extra payment is required. This is in NYS, PA may have similiar laws.

Anonymous said...

it wouldn't surprise me if they aren't in fact home-schooled (by tutors paid for by TLC or someone else, obviously)and all the off-to-school-and-back stuff is just staged. I hope I'm wrong,
Yes, you are wrong. Why so much suspicion all the time.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Where was Mady and Cara?

This show is so boring now that they're trying to revamp Kate and Jon's image. Everything is so damage control contrived it's ridiculous

I completely agree! IMO, what viewers are seeing in this new season of J & K + 8 is the 're invented' version of J & K to appease the nay sayers and promote themselves as marketing potential. This is no longer a reality tv show about a day in the life of the Gosselin family, but a TLC manufactured version of scripted reality.

ThreeFarmers said...

Overall, the two episodes were certainly better than what we've seen recently. There were only 2 things that bothered me about this one

The shows are definitely easier to watch, but they aren't "better" they are worse in regards to those children being exploited. The easier the program becomes to watch the less blatant the exploitation becomes. The extent of the exploitation is not lessened, it is just less obvious.

As long as this family is supported by the kids, it will never be better.

I cringe when I read that someone "liked" an episode. Don't let the PR machine get in the way of just how heinous this program is.

Anonymous said...

I love that preschool teacher ! She admitted that on the daily report, there have been numerous "reds and yellows".

Wake up, Gosselins, your kids need to learn right from wrong and you should have been doing that all along, not waiting for the preschool teacher to do it.

I hated when Kate just verbally brushed aside the "reds and yellows" on the behavior report. Keep making excuses for your childrens' behavior, Kate, and see how they are in junior high or high school. Don't be surprised if in a few years, the Gosselins are getting numerous phone calls from the school stating that the kids are bullies.

Anonymous said...

The reason the tups were filmed in preschool when nobody else was around is because that way there was no need to go to the expense of contacting all the parents of other kids and have them sign model releases on behalf of their children. Plus, with twelve other children (Jon said theirs are "a third" of the class...and I'll be charitable and assume his math skills are up to the task) they would have had to shoot much more footage and edit like crazy to get enough usable scenes. I'd like to think the other parents refused en masse to participate in the exploitation, but I'm sure they were never given the choice.

Anonymous said...

"She caught herself VERY quickly and it looked for just a second as if she thought about saying, "well, they know how to make friends" or, "well, they have friends." Either way, she stammered and then changed the subject. Yeah Kate, we know the kids don't have any friends outside of the family."

Actually, you are way off the mark. They have friends, they made friends in school...I think she caught herself so as not to "name" children in the class. Remember there are other children in the class who's parents don't want them on tv and don't want them discussed on the show.

mommytoo said...

Does anyone here know of any other family who has ever driven an hour each way to preschool for their children? I'm sorry but anything positive they are getting from the program is completely negated by spending 2 hours a day in the car. Not to mention the complete waste of natural resources (gas) to drive the huge van that far on those days. This family has some real problems with the some of the decisions they have made. It seems as though they look at one factor, in this case that Mady and Cara went to this preschool, and then overlook many other factors that would make it a bad decision. They lived a few minutes away from the preschool when Mady and Cara went there. That's not the case anymore.

I truly do not understand why they chose to move to a different town an hour away if they were going to continue to drive back to their original hometown for church, preschool, shopping, haircuts, and many of the other things we have seen them do. Again, another example of not taking everything into account when making a major life decision. It seems they moved to their current home to be close to Jodi & Kevin. Now that they have banished them from their lives, it seems that to make that move for that one reason wasn't such a good decision. It's a shame that the children are paying the price for Jon & Kate's poor decisions.

Anonymous said...

What's so weird about shutting a gate? If it's like our yard we have skunks,cats etc that try and get in our garbage.

Anonymous said...

My reality includes a job that helps other people. I also have my dignity.

Skraps said...

3F said..."I cringe when I read that someone "liked" an episode. Don't let the PR machine get in the way of just how heinous this program is."

Who can stomach any of the recent episodes. It turns my stomach to see what they are getting away with. In the end the children will suffer the consequences of their selfishness.

Anonymous said...

Interesting to note that Hannah is the biggest and Joel is the smallest. Huh.

So Kate says that those back packs will get the kids "beat up" in kindergarten. Yes Kate, it's the back packs that are going to be the difference between whether or not the kids get made fun of in school.

Anonymous said...

I saw an ad for the show that had Kate saying "Our kids have a wonderful life and we have a wonderful life because of the kids". I thought to myself that truer words were never spoken although I don't think Kate meant to say that the kids are earning them (Kon) a wonderful life. Kon knows it is not about them. As much as they'd like to be celebs, they themselves are dolts who lucked into having lots of cute kids. Anyone else see this ad?

Anonymous said...

"I'd like to think the other parents refused en masse to participate in the exploitation, but I'm sure they were never given the choice."

Don't be so sure. Figure 8 films would have had to get signed waivers for each child in the class. Parents would didn't agree to filming would have their children blurred out. The fact that they aren't filming them in class with the other kids is a pretty clear indication that too many parents were against filming...having that many against it would create an editing nightmare.

Natasha said...

Mady was in the "Mr. Mom" episode. She didn't really smile, but she didn't scowl or have a tantrum either. I thought I saw Cara in that episode also, during the "making the video for Kate" segment. But Cara hasn't been on very much lately anyway. Maybe Mady is taking a cue from her sister and just saying no. If so, good for her! Those two are old enough to choose, in my opinion, to be on camera only when necessary.

I assume that here in the preschool episode they were in school.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"She caught herself VERY quickly and it looked for just a second as if she thought about saying, "well, they know how to make friends" or, "well, they have friends." Either way, she stammered and then changed the subject. Yeah Kate, we know the kids don't have any friends outside of the family."

Actually, you are way off the mark. They have friends, they made friends in school...I think she caught herself so as not to "name" children in the class. Remember there are other children in the class who's parents don't want them on tv and don't want them discussed on the show."

This is written as if by an insider. (careful, don't give yourself away ; ) ) Remember, we have only seen ONE episode of them in preschool and do not know if they have made friends. So how can the post be judged as "way off the mark"? I would be shocked if they did make friends. For one, they would not be allowed to play with the kids outside of school, or ever call the house, etc. I'm sure the tups will not be attending parties of other children. The list goes on. I hardly consider it friends just because they are interacting with other kids in class. All kids do that in one way or another.

lauren said...

I think that it was staged, too. I doubt that both parents regularly take the kids to preschool. It just doesn't seem necessary. It would make sense for one parent (probably Jon) to drive them, and the other parent would have time to do work at home or errands without the kids. These 2 can't manage to do an interview together, but they take their kids to preschool together 3x a week?

Also, what time to Mady and Cara get home from school? I forget how long they said that preschool was, but it seems like it would be cutting it close to drive back home in time to get the girls off the bus.

The tups did seem to enjoy school, though, and I'm glad that they're going.

Anonymous said...

It wasn't that Kate was stammering about how the kids knew how to make friends. What I caught was her basically saying that "the tups didn't NEED other kids as friends because they have each other".

I think that this is unfair to the kids. Of course it's wonderful that they have each other and up until now they never were really bored or without a play mate. My daughter is an only child and it breaks my heart to see her play by herself as a toddler and I can't wait for her to have a sibling. I myself loved having sisters to play with all day, but once I got older I needed to have outside friends from school or whatever. That is one of the ways that a child will learn about differences in people and learn to embrace those differences from seeing how other people live, their traditions, their backgrounds and cultures etc. It's a lesson in life to have lots of different friends, and i think it's one of life's greatest joys.
I do hope the kids aren't being encouraged by Kate to not make friends from hearing her constantly say "well u guys have each other" over and over. I think it would be great for them to witness what other normal non-exploited children do and how they live their lives.

Anonymous said...

So will the kids bring their sippy cups and bibs to preschool? I am sorry I have a 4yr old also, and she hasnt used a sippy cup or a bib in years... why do they do this to these poor kids? and they still use potty chairs? No wonder these poor kids are just learning how to speak whole sentence at AGE 4.

Anonymous said...

"She caught herself VERY quickly and it looked for just a second as if she thought about saying, "well, they know how to make friends" or, "well, they have friends." Either way, she stammered and then changed the subject. Yeah Kate, we know the kids don't have any friends outside of the family."

Actually, you are way off the mark. They have friends, they made friends in school...I think she caught herself so as not to "name" children in the class. Remember there are other children in the class who's parents don't want them on tv and don't want them discussed on the show.

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The latter part could very well be true but the first thing that ran through my head when Kate stated that the kids were learning to make friends and seeing her face after she said it and the back trcking made me think what friends is she talking about?

Anonymous said...

The fact that they aren't filming them in class with the other kids is a pretty clear indication that too many parents were against filming

Maybe. But just as possibly Kate refused to let the producers even ask to show the other kids, who more than likely are farther along in speech and social development and would shed an unflattering light on J &K's parenting skills. Frankly if I were one of those other parents, it wouldn't just be the filming I would be against. I wouldn't want my kid(s) associating with the tups until they stop taking their behavior cues from the 3 Stooges.

Anonymous said...

I think the kids preschool is their church. They've said before that they drive an hour to church and the surroundings of the preschool look just like the inside of their church.

luvmytwins said...

Am I the only one that likes Kate's hair??? Yes, it was a little big and weird last night but generally I like her hair style. And, I think she's really pretty. Yeah, thats right, I said it.... But still entitled and mean.. :(

Anonymous said...

Regarding the Tonka Bounce Back cars...did anyone else hear Kate tell the kids they could play with them and to "have fun fighting over them since there's ONLY two"? She said it very huffily as though she was angry Tonka didn't give them 6 trucks!

Addison said...

I wonder what Leah thinks of no longer being the littlest.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Interesting to note that Hannah is the biggest and Joel is the smallest. Huh.

So Kate says that those back packs will get the kids "beat up" in kindergarten. Yes Kate, it's the back packs that are going to be the difference between whether or not the kids get made fun of in school.

10/14/2008 8:28 AM

She should be more concerned about bibs and sippy cups. Maybe there is a potty hidden in one of the backpacks!

sabrinasmom said...

stampled

To step and trample on. Is it really a word? ... to Kate it is.

"It is perfectly normal for Hannah to strample on Joel's head. Siblings do that."

Anonymous said...

Any one catch Kate's comment about Collin? She told the nurse (or the cameraman?)she thought he would have weighed more because of his big head??? He of course was standing right there. Way to go Katie.

Anonymous said...

I noticed Kate talked alot about them getting older. I guess she finally realised that she cant fool us into thinking that they are still babies! They are all getting so big and boy are they cute!!! It a shame that the rest of the family does not have the oppurtunity to share their lives with these 8 children. I could not imagine being out of contact with say
my sister, and having to keep up with a charade on tv to know whats going on in their lives.

OK- Kates hair is growing out at least on the top and it is atrocious! When she had the front trimmed up, it was a cute style. Im not exactly sure what look she is going for. Short or long, please make up your mind!!

Anonymous said...

luvmytwins said...

Am I the only one that likes Kate's hair??? Yes, it was a little big and weird last night but generally I like her hair style. And, I think she's really pretty. Yeah, thats right, I said it.... But still entitled and mean.. :(


My DH thinks Kate is sexy, in a trashy sort of way and says she probably rocked Jon's world non-stop until she got pregnant. Reminds him of the movie "Species". Oh and he thinks her made-up words are kind of cute and the only non-shrewlike thing she's got going about her personality. Like Kate would say (rolling her eyes) "Men!"

Anonymous said...

It may not be just that parents are against filming their kids at the pre-school. Figure 8 might not want the hassle of having to go through of releases being signed by the other parents especially if they only planned on going their once to film.

Anonymous said...

It wasn't that Kate was stammering about how the kids knew how to make friends. What I caught was her basically saying that "the tups didn't NEED other kids as friends because they have each other".
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I caught that as well, and thought the same as you. Of course, family is important ( as long as they are not toxic, don't want to set off any debates) but socialization with other kids is SO important at this age.

4girlsoneboy said...

"Don't be surprised if in a few years, the Gosselins are getting numerous phone calls from the school stating that the kids are bullies."


Wouldn't that be terrible especially since Carla is no longer around to take the calls that Kate screens?

Anonymous said...

Am I the only one that likes Kate's hair??? Yes, it was a little big and weird last night but generally I like her hair style. And, I think she's really pretty. Yeah, thats right, I said it.... But still entitled and mean.. :(

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I usually don't post on KON's looks but Kate's hair is a disaster - it just screens tacky trash (which is why she also lets Cara have 3 inch nails).

I dislike Kate immensely, but she is attractive (she is actually very photogenic) but she has such an unattractive personality...

Also, as an aside, I find it interesting that people find Jon attractive. I am Korean (100%) and I do not find him physically appealing . He can't hold a candle to my hubby *smile*

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Regarding the Tonka Bounce Back cars...did anyone else hear Kate tell the kids they could play with them and to "have fun fighting over them since there's ONLY two"? She said it very huffily as though she was angry Tonka didn't give them 6 trucks!


I caught that too! I don't think she was too happy that they only gave them two.

Anonymous said...

I certainly agree that there are problems with this episode, but however, I think many of you all have missed one of the greatest aspects of this episode. As a military officer, I was very touched and encouraged by the decision of the Gosselin's to place flags in their yard for September 11th. They mentioned that it was not the first time and that they explained to their children why they were doing it. As someone who puts their life in danger, I applaud the Gosselin's for their American spirit.

Ravello said...

Way to go Joel, we are so proud of you on that bike. I can only imagine the untapped potential in this sweet lovable boy. I hope his teacher showers him with attention.

Kate actually touched Joel twice last night, I am acknowledging this. Not commending Kon for hugging him, she is his mother. Very rare sighting.

As far as Hannah outweighing Colin and Joel being the smallest, we have seen Kate's favoritism at the table in Cupcakegate. Hannah had not eaten but she still got her cupcake. Joel said he had eaten his chicken but did not get a cupcake. Kate makes sure her Hannie gets desert.

The scene with the kids in the high chairs and wearing bibs is ridiculous. They are in "Pre-K" and as Kate said almost 4 and a half. Their meal consisted of finger foods- cracker, fruit, etc. Why in the world do they need to wear bibs? I hope the teacher is not expected to put bibs on these kids. Even 4 year olds will make fun of that.

And I think KON drives an hour each way to preschool is because it is their church and FREE. I would not do it, especially in a gas guzzling vehicle. But the KONS do not work so what else do they have to do. Jon will probably drive them by himself most days, to get away from her. They could increase the price of a family picture from $20 to $ 21 to pay for the gas.

SammysMom said...

I just can't imagine driving 3 hours then sitting around for another 2 hours while my kids are in school. I guess when it's a 2 hour r/t drive you have no choice, but then there it is: they DO have a choice on where to send the kids! That baffles me. As busy as any Mom is (especially as busy as we know Kate says she is!), why would you put yourself through that for PRESCHOOL for Pete's sake?

And could they make it any more obvious Jon doesn't have a real job with some benefits and a retirement plan that doesn't include TV-pimping out his kids? He hangs around with Kate 3 days a week doing grocery shopping and other errands until it's time to pick up the kids? If that had to be me, I'd take them to school myself and then have those 2 hours for "me" time, LOL. I've never had anything against Kate wanting the tups nap time for herself - few Moms don't look forward to nap time like a hot fudge sundae. But, to just take 4 hours out of your day for this seems ridiculous to me.

On a positive note, Kate didn't seem as annoying in these 2 new episodes. Even her slightly snarkier comments came across more as something any wife/Mom would say just to be kind of funny. While I definitely don't think this makes up for all the past atrocious behavior/comments, I can definitely tell she had a "talking to" by someone at TLC and/or Figure 8 and told to tone it down a few notches because the backlash was heating up too much to contain the "you try it with 8 kids" explanations vs. outright obnoxiousness and a mean personality.

iluveeyore said...

On the last FAQ episode, Jon said something about the twins wearing uniforms to school, yet we've seen them come and go numerous times even in the most recent season, and never once were they wearing uniforms.

You must be thinking of Catholic school uniforms... plaid skirts or jumpers!

Mady and Cara wear white short-sleeved blouses and navy blue skirts or khaki culottes. They have always been shown in uniforms, since they began private school.

Anonymous said...

What I found interesting was their lack of knowledge regarding the tups health - Kate's answer? "They're monitored closely and go every year so obviously they're healthy". What mother, formerly an RN and a self-professed health-nut, wouldn't be able to answer questions regarding her childrens health? And Jon's "ask Kate" answer, I can give him a pass as most dads wouldn't have a clue but considering he's a SAHD you'd think he'd have some idea.

I also found it weird that Alexis (or was it Leah?) had been complaining for weeks about a sore ear and they didn't bother to take her in? Figured since they were there they'd get it looked at?!? And Jon's comment that Kate has an ear thing to take a look but never spotted anything because the kids wiggle too much... besides looking at the problem what would that solve? She sat still for the doctor so it's obvious she can. And it's not like Kate could prescribe meds if she did spot anything.

As for the friend thing, I got a nice little chuckle when Kate quickly back-tracked after stating the tups were 'learning' how to make friends. Wasn't a previous episode devoted to their weekly church visit? Weren't the tups shown being dropped off at the day care centre? Wouldn't they learn to make friends in Sunday school?

Oh, and I love seeing Joel's triumph with the bike. And Jon's obvious pride that his 4 year old no longer needed training wheels (it's amazing how many 6-7 year olds I see in my neighbourhood still using trainers!). Now if only they could get rid of those bibs & sippy cups.

sabrinasmom said...

She said it very huffily as though she was angry Tonka didn't give them 6 trucks!

Which is very hypocritical of her because didn't she say on Regis or the Birmingham Engagement that her kids fight over toys but she refuses to "buy six of anything" (except matchy matchy clothes).

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I certainly agree that there are problems with this episode, but however, I think many of you all have missed one of the greatest aspects of this episode. As a military officer, I was very touched and encouraged by the decision of the Gosselin's to place flags in their yard for September 11th. They mentioned that it was not the first time and that they explained to their children why they were doing it. As someone who puts their life in danger, I applaud the Gosselin's for their American spirit.


I wish I could believe that it was actually Jon and Kate's idea, not thought up and staged by the producers' or TLC's image-making department. But I find it incredible that two people who exploit their children for monetary gain and lie about it repeatedly, could then turn 180 degrees and have the capacity for altruistic behavior. At best I see their 9/11 memorializing as the same hollow, insincere PR display as their other patriotic or religious "ceremonies".

Anonymous said...

I certainly agree that there are problems with this episode, but however, I think many of you all have missed one of the greatest aspects of this episode. As a military officer, I was very touched and encouraged by the decision of the Gosselin's to place flags in their yard for September 11th. They mentioned that it was not the first time and that they explained to their children why they were doing it. As someone who puts their life in danger, I applaud the Gosselin's for their American spirit.

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It would have been a wonderful gesture if

1) Jon hadn't said "We still remember that your family members gave their lives for us."

Jon's explanation implies that the victims were military troops that had been killed in war. His careless comments minimize the tragedy that unfolded

2) this wasn't a contrived, staged storyline for filming purposes only

Anonymous said...

Regarding the Tonka Bounce Back cars...did anyone else hear Kate tell the kids they could play with them and to "have fun fighting over them since there's ONLY two"? She said it very huffily as though she was angry Tonka didn't give them 6 trucks!
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If she did say this, it's just more proof that no matter how hard the PR firm is trying to improve her image, she is just an ungrateful b*tch. Period.

Anonymous said...

I was really glad to see that the kids weren't all dressed the same for school. I hope they stop dressing them identically. It seems crazy to me to drive an hour to take your kids to pre-school, even if it is at their church. Did they say that the kids go every afternoon or just every other day? I'm sure there are good pre-schools where they live.

Anonymous said...

I also found it weird that Alexis (or was it Leah?) had been complaining for weeks about a sore ear and they didn't bother to take her in?

Oh my gosh! I totally forgot about this. RN or not, who let's their kid complain about an ear ache (or two) for weeks without having it addressed by a doctor?. By not taking her to a doctor, they were compromising her health and her hearing. IMO, that's just pure laziness.

Anonymous said...

Kate needs a freaking hair cut. Either grow it ALL that length, or get the half-a-head-of-bangs cut.

I actually loved her style when she got it cut like that, but in this episode it just looked ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the Tonka Bounce Back cars...did anyone else hear Kate tell the kids they could play with them and to "have fun fighting over them since there's ONLY two"? She said it very huffily as though she was angry Tonka didn't give them 6 trucks!
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If she did say this, it's just more proof that no matter how hard the PR firm is trying to improve her image, she is just an ungrateful b*tch. Period.


Yep, Kate said it and she sounded very snotty about it. I too thought that she sounded pissed that they had only got two of them. I'm not familiar with those particular cars, but from the MANY remote controlled things I've bought in the past, there's usually 2 different frequencies they run on. They probably were given one of each frequency. You can't drive 2 on the same frequency in the driveway, both cars would be communicating with both remotes and driving possessed. Maybe Kate should do some research before ragging on free gifts.

MK said...

Thoughts -
-Jon: "We think they're ready because they're driving us nuts in the house... they're bouncing all over the place."

Great reason to send them to pre-school.

-I could almost see Kate internally cringing at the thought that Joel was more "advanced" in a certain area than one of the girls. At least she managed to basically point out that Collin and Aaden were the least far along in that skill.

-I really don't want to speak badly of the kids, but my gosh, I can't believe they let Hannah mouth off to them, especially Jon, like she does. She's like a mini-Kate.

ThreeFarmers said...

In the school where I work, every kid has a back pack and they aren't allowed to leave the classroom unless they are wearing that backpack properly. There are 800 kids in my elementary from Pre-K through 5th and 98% wear their backpack every day. There are a rare few who have messenger-style bags.

I can't imagine my elementary school is that different from any other public elementary.

Anonymous said...

Nice that Joel succeeded first in something besides being icky.
The reason that Hannah weighs more than him is that her mother is always carrying her around. Therefore, she gets less exercise than the others.
I'd like to see Kate carry Joel around for the next 10 episodes.
Hear that, PR people?
Stay tuned.
Kate was very phony, giving extra attention to Joel at the doctor's office, etc...
Those kids wouldn't even THINK of things like birth order, if the parents didn't instill it in them. Kate has said that Mady is SO jealous because Cara actually was born first. So WHO has ever been talking about that? The parents, of course.
Why send them in to the doctor, dentist, hairdresser or whatever in birth order? That is not necessary.
The doctor's office has a file on each child. After each one is weighed, checked on, etc....they know which ones could be next.
It's not rocket science, parents. It's not like there are 20 of them and it would be so confusing.

rmarief said...

I am wondering if the reason the tups go to school an hour away is because they don't want the tups to possibly interact with any of their cousins. As a mother of 3 very active kids, I value my time and I can think of so many other things i could get done while the kids are at school then spending 2 hours driving them back and forth.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else notice that the side of the deck where they sat for the GH photo was boarded off?

There were spaces between the slats, so I'm guessing it's for privacy? Can't have those neighbors staring.


Jon told one of the kids to make sure they closed the gate so animals didn't get on the deck, sounds like they have a problem with animals, so that's probably why they have it blocked off. If they have plants up there, the skunks and raccoons are probably looking for a snack at night.


I'm not surprised that Hannah weighs the most, isn't she the tallest too? That would seem to go hand in hand at their age. Plus, all that hair probably adds a few pounds.

Chicago Teacher said...

I'm voting with the "staged scene" crowd...

I'm a teacher and it's darn near impossible to beat every student there and then wait until every student is cleared out without getting there excessively early and making them wait long after the school day (getting into dinner-time and we know how they get when their blood-sugar is low ;) ).

Since the pre-school is three days a week - my guess is they went one of the days (I would suppose Tuesday or Thursday)school is not in session but staff is required to be there.

Anonymous said...

woo hoo first time posting here, but I wanted to add my 2 cents to this whole ear ache thing with Alexis (I think it was her). I know that when my kids are sick and I call into the nurse at the drs. office, I can always get an appointment if I tell them that the child is complaining of an ear problem, (not that you should do that just to get an appointment : P ). I do believe that most drs. take ear aches very seriously. I would think that Kate as a former nurse would understand the importance of this, even if she didn't think she saw anything.

luvmytwins said...

Anonymous said...

Kate needs a freaking hair cut. Either grow it ALL that length, or get the half-a-head-of-bangs cut.

I actually loved her style when she got it cut like that, but in this episode it just looked ridiculous.

Yeah, thats what i meant! It did indeed look strange last night... However, sometimes i think it looks great!

Anonymous said...

Why is it when J&K try to fix things, they get slammed and called boring? I thought you were all against the way they were. So you are saying you enjoyed the old way that you so often complain about? I don't get it. Also, it pains me to hear you talk about the kids development. I think that they should be left out of the conversation. If they are lagging in a development, it could be due to be premature, low birth weight, etc. and not b/c of something J&K did or did not do. If you want to complain about the parents, fine, but leave the innocent kids out of it. Anyway, it is my opinion that we should applaud the changes rather than call them boring and just pray that the changes are positive for everyone.

Anonymous said...

As busy as any Mom is (especially as busy as we know Kate says she is!), why would you put yourself through that for PRESCHOOL for Pete's sake?
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The tups are now being taught by the same teacher who taught Mady and Cara, correct? Some parents are so enamoured with their first children's teacher that they really want their subsequent children to have the same one.

My mom liked my brothers' preschool teacher so much that she ended up naming me after her! I have no doubt that I would have gone to that same preschool had we not ended up moving four hours away. Were it doable, my mom might have made special arrangements for me to go to that preschool even if it was an hour-long trip both ways.

Anonymous said...

I turned to this episode only because I couldn't fall asleep. It totally helped send me off to dreamland. Is it me or are these episodes becoming ginormous snooze-fests? Jon and Kate are more boring than ever.

The kids are cuties. That's always the case...but Kon is barely tolerable. AND, what's this about them being "so busy" that they cant film at the same time? Who do they think they are? Julia Roberts and George Clooney? Give me a break...barf!

MomOfThree said...

It was so nice to see the family outside (and out on the street/in the neighborhood) with the bikes. Jon was so patient giving all the kids who wanted to, an opportunity to try the two-wheeler. Hurray for Joel!!! He needed that place in "Gosselin Family History". I have said it before; I truly believe that Kate is on some sort of anti-anxiety meds. She seems so much more mellow and calm (for her). If this is true, hurray for her, too, for recognizing that she needed some help. As for the long drive to pre-school, on the episode where they went to church and the "Cocoa Castle Playground", Kate said that the twins went to pre-school there (at the church) and that the tups will, too. I think that it is located in their old neighborhood, an hour away. Personally, I would not drive five days a week that far for a pre-school, but then again, I don't eat organic (can't afford to) and I would walk barefoot on a hotel room floor (if I could afford a vacation and a stay in a hotel)...in other words, I'm no Kate; who knows what makes her tick. Besides, J & K do have the time....

alana said...

Just some random stuff that made me nuts:

I even used the closed captions on my television and I STILL cannot understand a thing Jon says. Neither can the CC people it seems; just about everything he says gets cut off mid-sentence in print.
People who mumble, and, geez does he mumble, aren't just lazy - they lack any self-esteem.
I think Jon might be ADD. He can't seem to form a complete thought and not have it go berserk on the way out of his mouth.

Kate's total lack of affect and that "hair-do in transition" looks like she's taking a cue from Victoria Beckham. Becks is infamous for not smiling, although she denies she does it on purpose. I think Kate's head has swollen way beyond that hair; she and Jon truly believe they're actual celebrities!
Don't you have to write (real) books or sing and dance or have a special art or talent that you WORK at, to be a celebrity? Giving birth under probable deceptive circumstances is not an art or talent.

See Kate sit on the ground in the garage! What happened to her white plastic throne? Oh yeah, it's still in the backyard from the camping episode.

I thought the kids pointed to Hannah, too, when Jon asked "Where is Mommy's buddy?" OMG.

Why does Jon encourage the kids to hit each other? That's such a low-life form of play. There's wrestling and there's smacking and punching and those kids smack and punch.
Why not play a "learn our colors or numbers" game?

I did like the fort, though. I just think it's horrendously horrendous how those kids will not WAIT for anything: the fort to be finished, occasionally their turn with a new toy, getting in the car, etc.

For every show I watch, I must write two letters re: protecting the kids and ending the circus. That's my JOB!

Anonymous said...

Just a few things (sorry so long)

1)About getting the children to do things by birth order and Joel always being last. I am and Early Childhood Educator and some of the ways I get the children to line up are by height (both ways) and alphabetically. I also do birth month, hair colour (blondes first then brunettes etc) but they won't work in the tups case.

2) I like the teacher's red, yellow and green light system. I might just have to "borrow" it.

3) Speaking as an educator and a twin myself, I don't like to see multiples in separate kindergarten classes. These children have been together every day of their lives for 4 or 5 years, and now that they are going through the biggest change in their young lives, they are alone? My feeling is to keep them together for the first year, and then evaluate them to see if they need to be in separate classes. As for one boy and one girl in each class, I have noticed that when they are in the same class, the girl tends to be the "leader" and the boy simply sits back and lets her do everything for him. (including one case where the girl would finish her work, then do his) Most b/g sets I grew up with and know now are in separate classes.

One way to separate them might be to put the ones that aren't the closest in the same class. That way, they will play and make friends as individuals.

ThreeFarmers said...

Why is it when J&K try to fix things, they get slammed and called boring? I thought you were all against the way they were.

If J&K can't be entertaining without all the yelling, fighting, and rudeness, then it's just another reason why they should NOT have a television show. It goes right along with all the child exploitation and the fraudulent misrepresentation of their financial status to the public for the purposes of collecting charitable donations.

No matter what this family does, they will be child exploiters of the highest order.

Anonymous said...

Why is it when J&K try to fix things, they get slammed and called boring? I thought you were all against the way they were. So you are saying you enjoyed the old way that you so often complain about? I don't get it. Also, it pains me to hear you talk about the kids development. I think that they should be left out of the conversation. If they are lagging in a development, it could be due to be premature, low birth weight, etc. and not b/c of something J&K did or did not do. If you want to complain about the parents, fine, but leave the innocent kids out of it. Anyway, it is my opinion that we should applaud the changes rather than call them boring and just pray that the changes are positive for everyone.

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Jon and Kate have lost all credibility with their past behavior and deceit. The only thing they can do now to really show they care is to end the series.Anything else is simply contrived, fake damage control.

Baffled said...

A long time ago, I mentioned that the only place we had yet to see the kids was at the doctor's office. I commended the doctor for his ethics.

I guess I was wrong.

I was truly astonished to see the camera following the tups into the examination rooms. And each kid had absolutely no privacy from the other kids. I cringed watching. Totally demeaning.

Anonymous said...

"She caught herself VERY quickly and it looked for just a second as if she thought about saying, "well, they know how to make friends" or, "well, they have friends." Either way, she stammered and then changed the subject. Yeah Kate, we know the kids don't have any friends outside of the family."

Actually, you are way off the mark. They have friends, they made friends in school...I think she caught herself so as not to "name" children in the class. Remember there are other children in the class who's parents don't want them on tv and don't want them discussed on the show.

Maybe they might be learning to associate with school mates but if they are actually allowed friends I'm sure Mady wouldn't be too thrilled since she's not allowed to chat on the phone even. Lets see them go on a play date or a birthday party. Hint, hint PR team. At least they at one time had cousins to play with now ...

So Kate says that those back packs will get the kids "beat up" in kindergarten. Yes Kate, it's the back packs that are going to be the difference between whether or not the kids get made fun of in school. Er, what? Sure it's not the potty pictures all over town that's going to get them made fun of it's the back packs? The ultra expensive brand name gifted back packs, thanks sponsers!
And she can't teach the kids to share tonka trucks yet dares to send them to school. And thanks again for those expensive gifts that I'm going to put down on national TV, sponsers.
Oy, biotchy is as biotchy does. Someone better superglue those lips of hers while trimmning the disaster on her head.
Any one catch Kate's comment about Collin? She told the nurse (or the cameraman?)she thought he would have weighed more because of his big head??? He of course was standing right there. Way to go Katie. Well, Katie, you've a pretty big head but I imagine it's full of air and weighs next to nothing so size ain't everything and again zip those lips.

lifeoriley said...

I didn't see this whole episode (I'm trying to wean myself from watching) but I had to see if the tups were really going to preschool. I was relieved to see they were going (even if the actual filming did not take place during regular school time--I see that as a positive). They need some time to socialize, learn, and escape from the circus (TV production set) they call home.
The issue with the bibs got to me this episode, however. They are 4 1/2, and still wearing bibs? Now that they are going to school, are other kids going to say something like, "you're a baby, you still wear a bib!" or "why do you still sit in a high chair?" Kids will tease other kids anyway--why give the bullies more ammunition?
Also, I couldn't help but say "Yeahhh, Joel!" when he rode his bike without training wheels. He's finally first for a change!

mollybloom said...

Why is it when J&K try to fix things, they get slammed and called boring? I thought you were all against the way they were.

If Jon and Kate truly showed signs of trying to mend their ways, I would acknowledge their efforts. Uh, like canceling this show. Instead, Kate is off giving bag lunch advice, and the kids are filmed in a doctor's exam room. Huh? Painting over rotten wood doesn't make a house stable.

Anonymous said...

**The kids are all in the same class. They were filmed before school and after actual drop off...so as not to record other children on their footage.**


This is true. As a teacher, I am not allowed to post student pictures on the class website without consent from parents. I'm sure the producers didn't want to have to deal with the consent forms for just a small part of the show.

Anonymous said...

This is true. As a teacher, I am not allowed to post student pictures on the class website without consent from parents.
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I'm assuming this is because of privacy /protection issues.

About 2 months before my high school reunion, our former class president set up a website for all of us to post updates of our lives, who was attending, etc. I would say that most people posted photos of their kids. I thought about it, and then decided to put a piture of just me and my husband. I may be a little paranoid, but I didn't want to put my kids' pictures on a public website . Same thing for my son's school directory. 2 years ago, there was a place for children to list their own personal website - I was amazed at how many parents allowed this information to be published. I spoke with the principal about my concerns, she agreed, now only parental emails are published.

I don't understand how KON can NOT be concerned for their childrens' safety, ESPECIALLY since they are so well known (the kids, not KON)and everyone knows where they live and what their house looks like.

Anonymous said...

I think the separate interviews aren't really about them being divas, but more like a sad reflection on the state of their relationships with their family and friends. They used to rely on Jodi, Beth and her daughter and Carla and her daughter a lot and Jenny can't always be there to pick up the slack. They probably had to switch off between watching the kids and taping interviews.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't let Kate paper train my puppy, let alone home-school children. She uses the word "stample". Enough said.

Christine said...

Also, it pains me to hear you talk about the kids development. I think that they should be left out of the conversation. If they are lagging in a development, it could be due to be premature, low birth weight, etc. and not b/c of something J&K did or did not do. If you want to complain about the parents, fine, but leave the innocent kids out of it.

But you know what's sad? Jon and Kate are putting their kids out there for the public to scrutinize them whether it's right or wrong. This is the criticism of the parents and the reason why so many people dislike them.

If they would just take the kids off of TV they wouldn't be 'fair game' for the people out there who choose to pick apart Mady & Hannah's questionable behavior or any one of the other kids. I've read NASTY things posted about Mady, and recently have seen a few bloggers & comment posters (on other sites, not this one) really go after Hannah as well. It is sad but again, they are in the public eye, they weren't asked to be put there, but their parents ARE putting them out there, right or wrong, it's happening and it's the parents to blame.

You can't control what's said about the kids by people who should be using better judgment but all we can do is hope that the parents wake up and realize the harm they are doing to these kids is lifelong and very damaging.

It's the parents who are supposed to protect their kids and Jon and Kate are failing miserably in this department.

Anonymous said...

In response to: "Painting over rotten wood doesn't make a house stable."

Well said and a very accurate description of J & K's recent attempts at damage control.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Also, it pains me to hear you talk about the kids development. I think that they should be left out of the conversation. If they are lagging in a development, it could be due to be premature, low birth weight, etc. and not b/c of something J&K did or did not do. If you want to complain about the parents, fine, but leave the innocent kids out of it.


The kids are the whole reason for the objection to the show. Let's say their development is being impacted by physiological issues as you pointed out. Are they going to a school with professionals trained in early-childhood development, with enought staff to give them one-on-one attention, to help them catch up to the mainstream? No, they're being hauled across creation so they can go to Kate's church preschool with one teacher overseeing 18 kids. Are the parents giving them one-on-one attention and supervising constructive play activities at home to help them mature socially? No, when their parents are not off on speaking engagements and publicity appearances, they are busy at home with taping the show. When the cameras stop rolling, no doubt there are meetings and 'phone calls with agents and producers and PR people and sponsors and...on and on. When the film crew finally leaves, we can imagine that an "exhausted" Kate stamples upstairs and locks herself in her bedroom.

The reason the show is on is because of the kids. The reason we want the show off, is because of the kids. I doubt if any of us here would care a bit if Jon and Kate, by themselves, did a half hour of couch bickering every week as long as the kids weren't involved. So it's unavoidable that we have to talk about what ill effects the show is having on the kids. What's said here is checked by concerned moderators before it is published. It's not the juvenile mean-girl spewing that's being put on YouTube and Facebook and other tweeny blog sites.

Anonymous said...

Why is it when J&K try to fix things, they get slammed and called boring? I thought you were all against the way they were. So you are saying you enjoyed the old way that you so often complain about? I don't get it. Also, it pains me to hear you talk about the kids development. I think that they should be left out of the conversation. If they are lagging in a development, it could be due to be premature, low birth weight, etc. and not b/c of something J&K did or did not do. If you want to complain about the parents, fine, but leave the innocent kids out of it. Anyway, it is my opinion that we should applaud the changes rather than call them boring and just pray that the changes are positive for everyone.
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I think damage control MAY be helpful for ratings, but would be very confusing to a bunch of young kids. Mommy hates messes, mommy allows messes at rent houses;I've been punished for doing "that", now I'm not. Very confusing. Most of the frustration lies with the parents marketing the family as entertainment; a product. Most of us think the kids are precious.

allison parker said...

I'm not surprised that Hannah weighs the most, isn't she the tallest too? That would seem to go hand in hand at their age. Plus, all that hair probably adds a few pounds.

I think Alexis is the biggest. I mean tallest, but Hannah is probably the heaviest because of the hair, and the extra attention she's getting from Kate.

Anonymous said...

In response to : "It's the parents who are supposed to protect their kids and Jon and Kate are failing miserably in this department."

I agree 100%. J & K made the decision to allow a reality tv show to be their life, and their life a reality tv show. Whether it is wrong or right to to criticize and post negative comments regarding the children may certainly be subject for debate. However, J & K provided the ammunition as it was their decision, to do what was in the best interest of their children, ie agreeing to do a reality tv show. If anyone should feel ashamed, its J & K !

Anonymous said...

It's no wonder the girls are bigger and heavier. THEY eat their dinners, not like the icky boys who won't clean their plates. Then, of course, the girls get to eat dessert, too.....CUPCAKES, anyone???

Anonymous said...

Wake up, Gosselins, your kids need to learn right from wrong and you should have been doing that all along, not waiting for the preschool teacher to do it.

"""""""I hated when Kate just verbally brushed aside the "reds and yellows" on the behavior report. Keep making excuses for your childrens' behavior, Kate, and see how they are in junior high or high school. Don't be surprised if in a few years, the Gosselins are getting numerous phone calls from the school stating that the kids are bullies.""""""

Okay, I think you're reading a little too much into this, remember they are four years old. She was brushing it off because at four most children act like that.

Ilovemykids said...

Okay, I think you're reading a little too much into this, remember they are four years old. She was brushing it off because at four most children act like that.

Ah, no, most children at four do not act like that. The Gosselin children do because they have not been around other children and as such probably have very little social skills.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone else notice that Kate has really backed off her blush? She has toned down her dragon lady make up.

Anonymous said...

"I think the separate interviews aren't really about them being divas..."

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It's not about them being divas?? I disagree. This is all about them and their new lifestyle. They weren't in the same place at the same time to conduct their usual interviews because they have over-committed themselves to things like Say Yes to the Dress, speaking engagements, moving into their multi-million dollar mansion and God knows what else.

Ambrosia said...

I read the all the comments on this ep and was surprised to see no one said this: When the tups are getting into the van for school, Kate just scampers past them and immediately gets into the front passenger seat. Jon is the one who puts them in and gets bookbags.
Also, do you really need bookbags for pre-k? My nephew is pre-k and they send him home with a folder for his things.

Anonymous said...

Prior comment: "Okay, I think you're reading a little too much into this, remember they are four years old. She was brushing it off because at four most children act like that."

Um, I don't know what planet you are living on, but that is NOT how most 4-year-olds act. And if you think that behavior is "normal" at age 4, exactly what age do you advocate enforcing good behavior? At age 12? At age 16? It should happen long before age 4.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the children's behavior at preschool, and the green/yellow/red dots that they receive.
I agree - don't read too much into it. As the mom of 4 yr. old twins in preschool, I can tell you that they all have their good days and bad days.
There is always "that kid" who tends to be a trouble-maker. But most of them are good kids, each with their own issue to overcome. Some must learn to keep their hands to themselves. Some must learn to pass on the potty-mouth. Some must learn how to sit in a circle and raise their hands. I thought the kids did great.

Many 4 yr. olds (if not most) DO in fact act that way with their siblings of the same age. Again, unless you have multiples you may not have experienced this yourself. I didn't hear about the kids being inappropriate to any other kids. Maybe I missed that part.

Patrickwm68 said...

Why are J&K isolating the children from other children? To me it looked like the sextuplets were the only ones in that classroom. When Jon said their kids come out first did anyone notice there was only 1 car in the parking lot? Where were the cars for the other parents or even the parents for that matter? More BS from Kon, from everything I've heard I wouldn't be surprised if my suspicions were correct and the sextuplets were the only kids in that class.

ThreeFarmers said...

Prior comment: "Okay, I think you're reading a little too much into this, remember they are four years old. She was brushing it off because at four most children act like that."

I work as a full time substitute in a school district and spend a ton of time with the pre K and Kindergarten kids. Most do not hit. It is always the same few who have this habit.

Whether or not you (or anyone) thinks that's the way 4-year-olds act, the point is that that sort of behavior must be addressed as soon as possible and not blown off. I don't care if every kid in that classroom had red and yellow cards, the situation should be addressed immediately and not passed over.

I have a nephew (with whom I'm VERY close) in Kindergarten. The other day I was subbing in the classroom next to his. He got into
with another child on the playground who pushed him. Well, he hit back. Bad idea.

Both boys were brought into the school and his teacher brought my nephew into my room (it was during lunch, no other kids were there) and he and I had a firm discussion on his behavior. The other child's parents were notified and both boys got yellow cards (1st warning) pulled.

The sooner the situation is address with the children, the more important they realize it is. The longer you wait to address it with them, the less important they think it is.

Funny, I would think a Super Mom like Kate would know that.

Anonymous said...

I think damage control MAY be helpful for ratings, but would be very confusing to a bunch of young kids.
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... so it would be better for Jon and Kate to continue doing the things they were getting heavily criticized for because at least it's consistent?

Sorry, but what can Jon and Kate do to improve themselves? Because right now it looks like they act like they normally do and they're raked over the coals for it(sometimes rightfully so), but they change how they act and improve certain attitudes and behaviours and now that's not a good thing because their kids will be confused by it?

Anonymous said...

"Okay, I think you're reading a little too much into this, remember they are four years old. She was brushing it off because at four most children act like that."

Even if I were to agree that 'at four most children act like that', which I dont. Hitting another person should never be an acceptable behavior. Especially with reason of, 'everyone else is doing it'.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anon,

I think you work for the PR company, but since you asked what J&K could do to improve themselves, I'll answer. They could stop making their living off the bodies and souls of their children.

Anonymous said...

.. so it would be better for Jon and Kate to continue doing the things they were getting heavily criticized for because at least it's consistent?
No. They need to stop with the staged "changes" and actually fix the problems. Doing the must show affection to a boy, grab random boy and kiss him roughly type of nonsense smacks of play acting. Saying we are consistent with rules, "Didn't eat your dinner, no dessert." Then show the veggie eschewing child having the dessert doesn't negate cupcakegate. (of course that didn't confuse Hannie because they'd never let the favored child go without the rare treat.) Making a show of finally closing the bathroom door is good but closing the front door on the production company is what is really needed.
Sorry, but what can Jon and Kate do to improve themselves? Because right now it looks like they act like they normally do and they're raked over the coals for it(sometimes rightfully so), but they change how they act and improve certain attitudes and behaviours and now that's not a good thing because their kids will be confused by it?

Yes, the changing mind games are confusing and most likely scary for children as it would be for adults too. I think it's been said a million times the NUMBER ONE thing that Jon and Kate can do to stop the critics is STOP THE SHOW! Give the children back what little they have left of their dignity and childhood back. Then they can move onto thanking the actually people that assisted them with time, money etc instead of praising God for their good fortune. They can make amends to the family and friends they tossed to the curb, so on and so forth.
If they persist if making their behavior a public spectacle then the critics will continue to use the ammunition they hand the public to shoot them down.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but what can Jon and Kate do to improve themselves? Because right now it looks like they act like they normally do and they're raked over the coals for it(sometimes rightfully so), but they change how they act and improve certain attitudes and behaviours and now that's not a good thing because their kids will be confused by it?

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At this point, the ONLY think KON can do to really show they care about their family is to cancel the show and begin some healing.

Anonymous said...

I do think it's weird that she brushed off the yellow and red cards but made a big deal when Jon brushed off Alexis hitting Aaden

Anonymous said...

Previous comment, "Many 4 yr. olds (if not most) DO in fact act that way with their siblings of the same age. Again, unless you have multiples you may not have experienced this yourself. I didn't hear about the kids being inappropriate to any other kids."

Let me get this straight, according to your comment, it's acceptable for multiples to hit/stomp/act out with their siblings, as long as they aren't doing it to other kids? To quote Kate,....."Hellooooooooooo ?".

I'll never understand, nor find acceptable, the practice of parents making excuses for their children's behavior. "Oh, he's a multiple"...or "He has his own issues to overcome"....or "He had a bad day....or "All 4-year-olds do this".

Hogwash.

Start having conversations with your children about behavior expectations and consequences. A conversation you should have been having with them since birth ! Stop making excuses !

Anonymous said...

In response to: "Sorry, but what can Jon and Kate do to improve themselves? Because right now it looks like they act like they normally do and they're raked over the coals for it(sometimes rightfully so), but they change how they act and improve certain attitudes and behaviours and now that's not a good thing because their kids will be confused by it?"

It shouldnt be the responsibility or at the suggestion of the public and viewers to advise J & K on what they need to do as adult individuals, a spouse, or parents of 8 children to 'improve' themselves. That is a question J & K should ultimately be asking themselves and search out the answers from within. At this point, the so called improvements that viewers have been witness to in J & K as of late IMO are merely attempts to appease the negative criticisms and re invent a more positive image as to further their marketing appeal. The show is THEIR life, and their LIFE is the show. This statement by J & K alone speaks volume as to the focus of their priorities in life. Improving the quality of the SHOW, not the quality of their LIFE!
I agree with previous posts suggesting that the children are subject to much confusion with all the damage control as of late. Do they (the children) genuinely understand the circumstances surrounding the need for improvement, or are said improvements simply a means of temporary mangement to stabilize the potential longevity of the 'family business'? That being said, the question remains; are the improvements seen in J & K in recent episodes done so in the best interest of the eight CHILDREN? IMO, the answer to that question is NO. As J & K continue to exploit their children in the name of the show, and the role they play in the 'family business'

Anonymous said...

Friends, Jon and Kate are not on Candid Camera. They are aware every second that the camera is rolling. Scenes are staged. There are cuts and re-takes. Even then, footage is further edited and spliced. When Jon says "Tomorrow is September 11th", it could be filmed on July 30th or September 24th. When Mady throws a fit, it could be to the comment that precedes it on the show, or there could have been something else said or done in-between that was edited out. Or two halves of a scene could have been filmed on two different days. As long as everyone is dressed the same both times, we can't be sure.

Anonymous said...

Did anybody else do a double take after hearing what the tups weigh during the MD visit?
My 20 month old weighs what the lightest tup does. If you look at the CDC weight for age chart they're barely at the 5th percentile. With that said I'd be a little more lenient when it comes to birthday cupcakes etc.

Anonymous said...

Did anybody else do a double take after hearing what the tups weigh during the MD visit?
My 20 month old weighs what the lightest tup does. If you look at the CDC weight for age chart they're barely at the 5th percentile. With that said I'd be a little more lenient when it comes to birthday cupcakes etc."

How much did they weigh? I missed it. My tape was really bad. My 3 yr old weighs 28 lbs and is 37". Were they much different than that?

C said...

I think Kate did say they were all small for their age (except Hannah) - I forgot the percentile she mentioned, but yeah 5 of them are small for their age range. Must be all that good organic cooking?

Anonymous said...

I think you work for the PR company, but since you asked what J&K could do to improve themselves, I'll answer. They could stop making their living off the bodies and souls of their children.

I do not work for the PR company. I am a normal viewer who simply does not understand why Jon and Kate doing X are attacked for months, and then Jon and Kate doing Y (the opposite of X), are still attacked for months because... well, because why? Because they're Jon and Kate, apparently, which means that regardless of what they do, they're wrong.

I've got a lot of people responding to my post saying that the only thing Jon and Kate could do to be seen favourably is cancel the show. I would say, "Fair enough," to that, if it wasn't for my experience thus far that suggests that if Jon and Kate cancelled the show, they'd be accused of and berated for only cancelling it as damage control.

OhioMom said...

Being small for their age really does not mean anything. My daughter is 12 and only weights 64lbs. I am above normal height 5'11 so is her dad. My family eats the normal food, never organic, we cannot afford it. Aren't Korean people alittle on ther small size? And Kate is not that tall either.

Anonymous said...

I've got a lot of people responding to my post saying that the only thing Jon and Kate could do to be seen favourably is cancel the show. I would say, "Fair enough," to that, if it wasn't for my experience thus far that suggests that if Jon and Kate cancelled the show, they'd be accused of and berated for only cancelling it as damage control.
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Basically, what many people want to see is the end of the exploitation of the G children, period. Be it canceling the show, canceling speaking engagements and photo shoots where the kids are dragged along, canceling church speaking engagements where "love offerings" are requested.

I dislike KON immensely (esp K) but even I would give them some kudos if they actually took all the criticism to heart and canceled the show for the future well-being of her family.

Sara said...

I think Kate did say they were all small for their age (except Hannah) - I forgot the percentile she mentioned, but yeah 5 of them are small for their age range. Must be all that good organic cooking?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I've heard several times that even the smallest preemies usually catch up with their non-preemie counterparts by the time they are 4-5 years old. Maybe they'll hit a spurt soon, but honestly, I just don't see it happening on their diet. Kate needs to remember that she can feed her kids all the organic food she wants, but if the quantity and quality don't match up, then organic means absolutely nothing.

Plus, I don't agree with her philosophy on fast food. Yes, it's not for everyday eating, but it's fun for kids in moderation. Hopefully she realizes that and we just don't see it on camera.

Anonymous said...

Ok yall I don't think pre-school is an hour away, I think it is Kate exagerrating again, school starts at 12:00, we have to leave at 11:15 to get there early, but, we have to leave by 11:30 to get there on time. It was when he was packing the kids into the van, and said something about the minute they start piling them in, they all suddenly have to go to the bathroom.

Anonymous said...

In response to : Anonymous said...
I've got a lot of people responding to my post saying that the only thing Jon and Kate could do to be seen favourably is cancel the show. I would say, "Fair enough," to that, if it wasn't for my experience thus far that suggests that if Jon and Kate cancelled the show, they'd be accused of and berated for only cancelling it as damage control.

Damage control is purely a self serving effort on the part of J & K, their PR team, TLC, or all the above collectively to appease the naysayers and critics and minimize any questionable doubt in that of the faithful fans. The only benefit/advantage damage control serves is to that of J & K and preserving the potential longevity of the show. There is NO benefit/advantage to J & K if they were to cancel the show, thus no cause to accuse or berate their decision to cancel as that of damage control.

4girlsoneboy said...

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Ok yall I don't think pre-school is an hour away, I think it is Kate exagerrating again, school starts at 12:00, we have to leave at 11:15 to get there early, but, we have to leave by 11:30 to get there on time. It was when he was packing the kids into the van, and said something about the minute they start piling them in, they all suddenly have to go to the bathroom."

If it is at their church or even where the twins went for pre-school then it is at least one hour away.

4girlsoneboy said...

I just had another thought about driving the kids one hour to school. I wonder what Jon does while they are at school. I think most preschools are only about 2 hours long so it wouldn't pay him to drive all the way home and get there just in time to drive back again. Either these kids are chauffered (and I am talking limo) each day or Jon better make up with Beth so he has someplace to hang while the kids are at school.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Ok yall I don't think pre-school is an hour away, I think it is Kate exagerrating again, school starts at 12:00, we have to leave at 11:15 to get there early, but, we have to leave by 11:30 to get there on time.


IIRC it was Jon who said the school is an hour away. From the timeline I take it that what he meant was, an hour round trip. Jon is neither bright nor articulate.

Anonymous said...

Sorry on above post, I meant to say "Jon" said they have to leave by 11:15, 11:30 at the lastest. To get there by Noon.

Anonymous said...

4girlsoneboy said...

I just had another thought about driving the kids one hour to school. I wonder what Jon does while they are at school.


Probably sits in the van playing video games on his iPhone.

Anonymous said...

There is NO benefit/advantage to J & K if they were to cancel the show, thus no cause to accuse or berate their decision to cancel as that of damage control.
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Not having thousands of people criticize everything from what their hair looks like to the colour (?!) of the food they serve the children would not be a benefit to them cancelling the show?

What I really meant was, I feel like even when Jon and Kate do good things it's assumed its damage control whether or not we have evidence that actually supports it being damage control. "Jon gave the kids icecream... this must be damage control for cupcakegate!" or "Kate parted her hair differently... this is a sure sign that she's reacting to our criticisms!" or "They were both proud of Joel being the first to ride his bike without training wheels... but they were only pretending to be proud because they have to do damage control for Joelgate!"

Are some things they do damage control? Absolutely. But I don't think it's right to assume that when they do anything good whatsoever, they're only doing it because they want better publicity or monetary compensation. When we've got people announcing that Kate only hugged a boy tup because she's trying to improve her image, I think we've passed the point of child advocacy and reached the point of hating for the sake of hating.

Anonymous said...

Re Damage Control:

Sorry, anon 3:57, I am with the masses. Jon has flashed moments of normalcy which frustrates me to no end because he has shown he knows how to care for the kids (and enjoy them!), he is handy around the house, he knows right from wrong, most of the time. He just needs to get away from Kate - maybe there is still hope for him.

Katie Irene is another story altogether. She has shown time and time again what a witch she really is with her lies, behaviour, demands, etc. She does not deserve to have the "benefit of the doubt". When she is continuously displaying such terrible behavior as ignoring the boys, and then only after bad publicity she shows a little affection towards them- it's too obvious, and TLC must think we viewers are idiots to not notice.

The ONLY thing they can do to regain even an ounce of credibility is to stop the show.

PS I do agree with you in that the comments about Kate's makeup, hair, etc are not necessary.

Anonymous said...

rmarief said...
I am wondering if the reason the tups go to school an hour away is because they don't want the tups to possibly interact with any of their cousins. As a mother of 3 very active kids, I value my time and I can think of so many other things i could get done while the kids are at school then spending 2 hours driving them back and forth.
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My guess is that KON has alienated and pissed off everyone in their community, immediate neighborhood and subdivision. I think you are right about Jodi and Kevin and the cousins - KON does not want to take a chance on running into any of them. So - to take care of the problem, they drive their kids an hour each way three days per week to preschool. My, my - how mature is that?!

Anonymous said...

When she is continuously displaying such terrible behavior as ignoring the boys, and then only after bad publicity she shows a little affection towards them- it's too obvious, and TLC must think we viewers are idiots to not notice.
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We may not see Kate showing affection to the boys as often as to the girls, which I definitely think is a shame, but we've seen it often enough, and before there was enough complaints about it, for her to only be showing affection to them for damage control.

If Kate had never once, in any episode, ever hugged, held, patted on the head, or shown any affection whatsoever to any boy tup until just recently, then yeah, you could say it was damage control.

But she has done so before recently. Not as often as she should, that's for certain, but she has done it.

For example, can we go back to the first special and see Kate holding any of the boy tups, and go, "Oh, she's only doing that for damage control."? Of course we can't, because that was long before there was any damage to control. Any time in the specials or during the first and most of the second season (i.e. before there was a strong anti-Kate movement) that she hugged, held, patted on the head, or did anything else affectionate with the boy tups, that was just Kate showing affection because she loves her sons.

So I refuse to believe at this point that if Kate was showing affection to the boy tups back then with no external factors motivating her to do so, that she is now only showing them affection because she's calculating in her mind, "I'd better hug Joel now so I don't look cold on the camera," or "I should play around with Collin at the moment so my haters can't criticize me," or "If I hold Aaden I'll seem like a better mother."

I'd like to clarify that I completely agree that Kate does not show as much affection to her male children as she does to her female children, and that I think it's terrible that she does so. But I still believe that most of the time when she is showing affection to the boys, it's genuine, and not damage control.

Anonymous said...

But I don't think it's right to assume that when they do anything good whatsoever, they're only doing it because they want better publicity or monetary compensation.

I would love to think it isn't just that. I would love to believe that through the observations of others, Kate has seen herself objectively, recognized things that need change, and consciously set about to better herself as a person, mother and wife, for the sake of her family. But when we see a slightly softer and more mellow Kate, we still see her, and her children, exposed to the prying eyes of the world, still trotting them out on multiple TV shows in one week to promote her book, still open to commercial opportunities, pretending they are economically middle-class, still packaging her con in a completely transparent Christian wrapper. So all I am seeing is the best efforts of consultants and image-makers falling short of their mark thanks to Jon's and Kate's lack of acting skills.

Anonymous said...

The school is only about 25 min. away.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jon were golfing and Kate was at the spa while the nanny takes them and picks them up. School lasts for 2 hrs.