More spin and damage control on CBN (the 700 Club) - October 30

According to CBN (the 700 Club), Jon and Kate (plus the kids) will be on. Tell us what you think-- what messages did you hear from this family?

http://www.cbn.com/700club/showinfo/schedule/previousbroadcasts.aspx

168 comments:

Anonymous said...

They're going to be on CBN?
Oh, Lord, NO! NO, please. Tell me it isn't true.

avasmommy said...

What is CBN?

Anonymous said...

Christian Broadcasting Network.

The 700 Club with Pat Robertson.

Nat said...

I'm confused... and Canadian (for what that's worth. lol).

Whats the heck is CBN???

Anonymous said...

I will be VERY interested to hear why they have been put on that particular show. Something is VERY wrong with them being on a Christian network. I have never written to anyone regarding this whole fiasco that is J+K, but I will have to now. Oh, that just made my heart sink!!

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avasmommy said...

Thanks, I was completely lost. Wonder what they will talk about? Needing love offerings or how receiving freebies off the exploitation of their children was God's plan for them! PUHLEEZE! One more thing to make me GAG!

Anonymous said...

My thoughts that Jon and Kate are the modern day Jim and Tammy Faye Baker are now confirmed.

Anonymous said...

I'm having a hard time understanding how the 700 club can invite them to be on the show with all the controversy that surrounds them? I know it's because their book is considered a Christian book, but does no one check on who the people behind the books are?

Anonymous said...

Of all the hypocritical people! Lordy be, these two jackasses will be struck down with a lightening rod if they dare to go on the CBN and start telling others how to live their life through God. I'm pretty sure Jesus did not tell his followers to gather up everthing you can for free and follow me. What about doing unto others as you want them to do to you? KATE -- JON -- DUCK!

Anonymous said...

The 700 Club will talk about ( and praise ) the Gosselin's family and Christian values, and look the other way regarding the lies, greed, exploitation, children being filmed in their underwear, vomiting, and a plethora of other private moments that have no business being shown to millions of spectators.

Even The 700 Club is in it for the money. You can't count on anybody anymore to do the right thing and say "This isn't right!" How can they not see that God would never approve of these things? Oh yeah, how quickly I forget. Money makes you forget about lots of things.

Shame on The 700 Club!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This interview makes them participants in child exploitation.

Anonymous said...

Check your listings on the ABC Family Channel. That's where the 700 Club is shown in most markets.

What on earth are these two KON artists going to talk about on Christian television? How God made paper towels appear on their doorstep? Or are we going to fast forward 4 years. How the trip to Hawaii just appeared? These two scammers are unbelievable.

Anonymous said...

CBN doesn't care about any "controversy" surrounding Jon and Kate. The truth is, more people DON'T know than DO about the darker side of the show. CBN is also not without without it's skeletons.
It's located in Virginia Beach, Virginia along with a University, Hotel and Spa (for Kate) and 4 Star restaurant. Because every Christian center needs a four star restaurant.

shrewtheday said...

I think the 700 Club is a mainstream brother to Scientology. Both are interested in money, money, money. Jon and Kate can spout their blasphemous, heretical LIES on that show and it just reinforces the bad in both the Kon machine and the 700 Club.

Anonymous said...

Something is VERY wrong with them being on a Christian network.
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Ok, I grew up in the land of Jerry Falwell, and let me tell you right now there are going to be a LOT of "wrong" people on Christian networks. Get over it.

nomorewirehangers said...

If God were to smite J & K, I might believe in the concept of God......

ScarySkierNewJersey said...

I am sure they will tell the story about how they had very little money after the tups were born and Kate heard about a family in need. She and Jon prayed about the amount and she wrote out a check and mailed it out to them in the morning and when her mail came in the afternoon there was a check in the mail for the same amount! I heard/read this story when their first special aired and it sounded very cute. Whether it is true or not, I haven't a clue, but that would be the type of story CBN would love to hear.

ghostgirl said...

The show hasn't aired yet-- let the 700 Club know how you feel about its upcoming guests!

http://www.cbn.com/contact/feedback-700club.aspx

momforthekids said...

anonymous,

"The modern day Jim and Tammy Faye Baker". You got that right. I am going to email the 700 Club right now and open their eyes to the fact that Jon and Kate Gosselin are exploiting their children for monetary gain. What a sin!

Steph said...

The Gosselins will be praised for not selectively reducing, and any regrets they initially had (including praying for God to play executioner) will NOT be mentioned. They will discuss their day to day struggles and how God gets them through it.
CBN, from what I have seen, is really into finding financial reward through faith, so the Gosselins are actually perfect for them. If you are not rich, it's because you don't have enough faith.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Of all the hypocritical people! Lordy be, these two jackasses will be struck down with a lightening rod if they dare to go on the CBN and start telling others how to live their life through God.

The striking of the 'lightening rod' will come in due time. If given enough rope, these two hypocritical scam artists will ultimately hang themselves.

Ilovemykids said...

CBN and Pat Robertson are just as big as "kon artists" as Kate and Jon. They are constantly having telethons for "love offerings". Jon and Kate should feel right at home.

Anonymous said...

I just don't watch anymore. Quite frankly it's boring. I think watching LPBW is by far why I watch TLC that and Stacy and Clinton.

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure if Pat Robertson will be on with them but, if so, they seem to have a lot in common. There is a lot of controversy surrounding Pat Robertson. Things that he says seem to get him in a lot of trouble (sound familiar?)and in my opinion they both are using religion to scam people out of money.

Here is a website that is interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson_controversies

Scroll down and notice his reference to Asians.

I believe the 700 Club will do nothing but praise them.

avasmommy said...

ghostgirl,
Thanks! I just sent mine in! I am sure the CBN will just love my comment that contained the word "whore"!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'm having a hard time understanding how the 700 club can invite them to be on the show with all the controversy that surrounds them? I know it's because their book is considered a Christian book, but does no one check on who the people behind the books are?
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The 700 Club isn't exactly a model of true Christianity either!!! Pat Robertson is a nutcase who spews hate against every group that does not fit in to his teeny-tiny world view. Not Surprised KON is on the show...

tripletsmom said...

I can't believe that CBN is going to have parents who keep exploiting their children on this show. CBN hasn't done it's homework regarding the Gosselins.
We ALL need to let them know how we feel.

Anonymous said...

Seriously? Pat Robertson is less offensive than John and Kate? WOW.

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:38: How horrendously horrendous of you to judge me that way, not loving my neighbors. I would bet my last dime I love my neighbors a whole lot more than do Kon -- and further that my neighbors love me a whole lot more than do Kon's neighbors.

C said...

Another absent day (or two) that the twins will miss from school.

Lonnyswife said...

We are soooo very lucky here in Va because 700 Club is broadcast on TWO seperate channels 3-4 times a day!!!

And is the entire family going to be on the show? Because the 30th is a Thursday, which as far as I know is still a school day in most parts of the country.

I can't imagine Pat Robertson asking any hard hitting questions. Even if they were to be based on living a life of Christian values vs 'talking' about living a life of Christian values, he won't go there.

No, this will be a great appearance for them. All they need to do is work in all those religious references that they say TLC/Figure8 edits out, and they'll do just fine!

Jim S said...

Let's face it...it's just another udder on the cash cow they continue to milk. Appearance will translate into book sales, they might get more bookings out of it etc etc....

Almost worth DVRing if the two women are hosting...can't stomach Pat Robertson and his lunatic pronouncements anymore.

Gloria said...

ghostgirl, good idea and thanks for the link. I think 700 Club is probably going off Zondervan press releases and has not done their homework about their potential upcoming guests. Maybe we can make them aware of the truth about Kon.

Anonymous said...

My thoughts that Jon and Kate are the modern day Jim and Tammy Faye Baker are now confirmed.

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Will the doghouse of the dog they are supposedly getting also be fur lined and heated like they said Jim and Tammy's was? Probably. These two clearly do not understand what being Christian is. Just reading the bible and writing her verses in a hypocritical way on their website does NOT mean they are decent Christians! Neither does just going to church. I could almost stomach them more if they didn't pretend to be righteous people.

Anonymous said...

it says that they are going to be broadcasting live... i'm wondering if it may be in their "new" house b/c it looks as if they are moving this week!

Anonymous said...

"I'm also pretty sure Jesus said to love thy neighbor, guess you're not into that."

J & K Gosselin dont seem to be 'in to that' either per their stratigically placed yard sign,'Dont drive by our house, dont stop to talk to us or take pictures. Interesting how 'Jesus' and 'God' always step up to the plate in defense these two hypocritical individuals.

porkrind said...

God-- I need to lose some weight-- think you can give me a hand? God, I need new carpet, think you can he'p me out? God, I need to lower my blood pressure.... can you help?

What's that? You're too busy with KON????????

Vipers!

Anonymous said...

"it says that they are going to be broadcasting live... i'm wondering if it may be in their "new" house b/c it looks as if they are moving this week."

I seriouly doubt jon and kate are moving this week. They have children in two different schools, unless they are going to commute from NC to Pa for school each day....

I doubt it.

Anonymous said...

Do you have any guarantees that they're moving to NC? :)

Anonymous said...

I believe the whole NC thing is rumor. Pure and simple.

Christine said...

Anonymous said...
"I'm also pretty sure Jesus said to love thy neighbor, guess you're not into that."

10/29/2008 9:38 AM

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Apparently neither is Jon or Kate.

Anonymous said...

C said...
Another absent day (or two) that the twins will miss from school.
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When is Mady's and Cara's country day school going to say "enough is enough" with the days the twins are kept out of school so much because of the "family business??" It's a private school, but they have to have rules and regs with respect to attendance. I bet KON doesn't give a rat's a** - they figure if the twins get kicked out due to absenteeism, that will be a good excuse for them to "homeschool" the twins. Kate can hire a "tutor" who can double as personal assistant, errand runner, toilet cleaner, floor scrubber, and perform whatever else Her Royal Highness wants done. I think it is vile and unconscionable that the twins get cheated out of an education - on top of everything else KON is robbing them of - like their entire childhoods!

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A Mom-ynous said...

"When is Mady's and Cara's country day school going to say "enough is enough" with the days the twins are kept out of school so much because of the "family business??" It's a private school, but they have to have rules and regs with respect to attendance"

PA attendance law states that students missing 3 or more day of school in a row without a valid excuse can be considered truant.

Additionally, each school district sets and distributes its own written rules to parents. So policies can vary from district to district.

Also the school district can limit how much of a vacation it will excuse for example. The site demonstrates a 2 week vacation saying that a district can legally say it will only excuse 5 of those days for example.

The rule is a school district may limit the number and length of non-district sponsored trips or tours for which excused absences may be granted during the term. The parent must submit a written request. A school doesn't have to excuse any...but most schools will allow days spent on a short family vacation to count as excused absences.

So while everyone is consumed with the attendance practices of the Gosselins, without being privy to their school calendar, we don't know whether the absences are excused or not or what the constraints are. But legally they have to inform the school ahead of time.

I will post the link separately just in case links are not allowed, that way it doesn't interfere with this post.


Regarding specifics to private school:

For day schools operated by a religious body, must be a minimum of 180 days of school or 900 hours at elementary level (450 for K) of instructional time. Private academic is 180 days or equivilant clock hours.

Also listed in the same document is that private school kids get transportation if the public school kids do.

Nothing is listed specific to attendnance policy. One can infer they either align with the school district or can create their own written policies.



Lastly--the attendance of the children in school is not a matter of public concern. That is a private matter between the school and the parents. At this young age, if the school can work with the family then that is again a private matter between the school and the family.

Even if you publicly witness the absence.

A Mom-ynous said...

The links as promised for what I just posted.

For the beginning of the post regarding attendance:

http://www.elc-pa.org/pubs/downloads/english/oth-school-attendance-truancy-jl-1-16-03.pdf


For the latter part of the post regarding instructional time in private schools:
http://www.ed.gov/pubs/RegPrivSchl/pennsylv.html

A Mom-ynous said...

A further elaboration from a more current publication of excused absences:

"Pennsylvania law broadly defines absences as excused when a student is prevented from attendance for mental, physical, or other urgent reasons. Many school districts consider illness, family emergency, death of a family member, medical or dental appointments, authorized school activities, and educational travel with prior approval as the only lawful absences"

Typically family vacations or absences of Mady and Cara's nature for the show would most likely qualify as education travel.

Also I have been excused from school b/c my mother had to do something for work and had to take us with her and we were gone for 2 weeks, so they sent the work with us. There was no way for us to stay home as there was noone to watch us and she was more obligated to her position than to the school. So we were legally excused.

Theoretically--this could qualify as a "job related" thing--but of course that gets into the whole can of worms of the exploitation.

I am simply providing the information as to how the twins can legally miss school.

Link provided in next post if allowed.

A Mom-ynous said...

Link as promised:
http://www.pde.state.pa.us/k12/cwp/view.asp?A=11&Q=121159

A Mom-ynous said...

Sorry about that--wasn't sure if links could be posted but I guess they can. I do not know my HTML and such and wasn't sure if anything special had to be done.

SmartyQ said...

Thank you for the research and posts, A Mom-ynous!

Libby said...

They will talk about how all of this is God's Will, that "Kate" is raising 8 children as her divine calling. They will talk about all the same things we have heard them say on every other show...but they will use the words God, Lord, Blessed, Miracles a lot more! I'm sure we will have to hear the obligatory "Exhausted!" at least once from Kate.

Anonymous said...

Ok All! I have just got blood pressure under control. I was almost in tears that they are going to be on this show. So, like any other person sick about this, I too wrote this show.

I asked them to do their homework and research the many sites pro/anti G. Listed this one, CNN, National Enq and Minor Consid.

Also told them about if you make Kate mad you will be out of their life and the lives of the children. Asked them to give them questions as you would to get the 'truth' from any person who comes on your show. Where is Aunt Jodi (I am pretty sure she is a Christian-why not have her on the show!) and where is Beth (Kate's former BFF-by Kate's words). These people and any other family and friends are out of their life. As a life long Christian, this is not what the Bible I believe in and the REAL Christian church I go to, teaches.

I guess ya'll can tell I am a little pissed off. Yes, I am a Chrisitan (Methodist). I respect all of your feedback, Christian or not, because we ALL are here to stop this craziness and help these children.

EVERYONE should write them. It only took me five minutes (probably because I was so mad I couldn't type). Thanks for letting me ramble. =)

A Mom-ynous said...

"Ok All! I have just got blood pressure under control. I was almost in tears that they are going to be on this show. So, like any other person sick about this, I too wrote this show."

I'm sorry if this is a personal question and if you choose not to respond that is fine, but why is this family and their choices affecting you so personally that it compromises your health?

I can understand frustration--but it seems awful that it affects you so personally to that level.

I don't want to get into psycho-babble or anything as I certainly am not qualified other than my own personal experiences in my own therapy.

But it would worry me if someone I knew was so exasparated over something that was not personally connected to them that it compromised their health.

Anonymous said...

"Theoretically--this could qualify as a "job related" thing--but of course that gets into the whole can of worms of the exploitation."
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"job-related" They ARE working!!! I would love to see the notes KON wrote to the school asking for Mady and Cara to be excused for "job-related," "family job" reasons. KON is so far beyond despicable and vile that they don't even sicken me anymore. I've come to expect this level of evil and horrific dysfunction. I would though, like to grab Kate by the scruff of her neck and plunge her entire porcupine head into the toilet bowl for several minutes as one last attempt to get her to wake up. It wouldn't even work, but it would be fun to see a wet porcupine.

Anonymous said...

A Mom-ynous said...
"Ok All! I have just got blood pressure under control. I was almost in tears that they are going to be on this show. So, like any other person sick about this, I too wrote this show."

I'm sorry if this is a personal question and if you choose not to respond that is fine, but why is this family and their choices affecting you so personally that it compromises your health?

I can understand frustration--but it seems awful that it affects you so personally to that level.

I don't want to get into psycho-babble or anything as I certainly am not qualified other than my own personal experiences in my own therapy.

But it would worry me if someone I knew was so exasparated over something that was not personally connected to them that it compromised their health.

10/29/2008 4:38 PM

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Hey Mom,

Thanks for being so kind, but it was a joke!! I am assuming that your comments were targeted at me since you copied my response.

But again, it was a joke. I guess some people figured that out, while you were concerned for my health. I really mean it that you are so sweet to worry about a fellow blogger! Too bad the kids don't have a mom like you and there wouldn't be so much 'hate' blogs about Kate. Stay sweet and thanks for caring!!! =)

Anonymous said...

A Mom-ynous said...
But it would worry me if someone I knew was so exasparated over something that was not personally connected to them that it compromised their health.

10/29/2008 4:38 PM

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oops.

PS I will admit that I am very disappointed in this show. My mom who I lost in April of this year (she died with no warning) loved this show. But, she didn't care for what KON did. Of all the things I have seen and read about them, this one hit a nerve. Not to mention she and my father have sent money to this show in the past.

Thanks again.

momforthekids said...

At my Waldenbook store they have the Gosselin's book Multiple Ble$$ings in the Religion section under Christian Life. This is why they are going to be on CBN. In the beginning of each chapter Jon and Kate start with a different scripture. They talk the talk but they don't walk the walk.

Anonymous said...

It's only October and the twins have missed how many days of school already?

Chris said...

How does TLC rationalize that they go on speaking engagements in churches, released a book under a Christian book publisher and go on the 700 Club to promote the book and talk about the show and yet TLC chooses to show no religion in this television series?

Is it only because they don't want them being compared to the Duggars (in the religious sense) or is it they just chose to keep religion out of the show altogether for fear of keeping away/turning off the non-religious people?

Anonymous said...

My Mom had a friend who went to school with Pat Robertson.

Not impressed at all. She was always told, by friend, he was kooky. Not impressed at all.

Anonymous said...

"it says that they are going to be broadcasting live... i'm wondering if it may be in their "new" house b/c it looks as if they are moving this week."

I seriouly doubt jon and kate are moving this week. They have children in two different schools, unless they are going to commute -from NC to Pa for school each day....

I doubt it.

--Uh yeah, I do think that they may be moving this week. 2 moving trucks since Monday... probably moving!

A Mom-ynous said...

"Hey Mom,

Thanks for being so kind, but it was a joke!! I am assuming that your comments were targeted at me since you copied my response."

Oh crap--I am too darn gullible.
*bright red face right now*

I literally am in therapy for personal issues, so read your post in that manner and totally did not catch the joke.

And I am not joking when I say...I full on believed it as presented.

oh boy. lol!

Anonymous said...

The "700 Club" and Jon and Kate are a match made in heaven. All either of them are interested is lining their pockets with the hard earned cash of those who can least afford to give.

Anonymous said...

ScarySkierNewJersey said...
I am sure they will tell the story about how they had very little money after the tups were born and Kate heard about a family in need. She and Jon prayed about the amount and she wrote out a check and mailed it out to them in the morning and when her mail came in the afternoon there was a check in the mail for the same amount! I heard/read this story when their first special aired and it sounded very cute. Whether it is true or not, I haven't a clue, but that would be the type of story CBN would love to hear.

10/29/2008 9:58 AM


It was in the book. Her sister told her about a family that was in need and she wrote them a check and went to put it in the mail box. She found a gift card for the same amount as the check that a neighbor had left in their

Anonymous said...

This get-together is a wonderful demonstration of the phrase "honor among thieves".

Beverly said...

This is what I sent to CBN:

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Folks,

I understand that your show will be promoting this couple and their family of 8 children. Please look beyond the "cuteness" of the kids and see Jon and Kate Gosselin for what they are in my personal opinion: they are false Christians.

Kate shows no honor to her husband. She belittles him and denigrates him on national television. They also lie to many by claiming that they have no help - they have cooks, gardeners, assistants.

And despite what many would consider a wonderful blessing of so many children, both of these adults have chosen not to work so that their children can support them with an intrusive television show.

You are promoting child exploitation by having them on your show to perpetuate what Jon and Kate call the "family business".

These children are not actors and since this is a "reality" show they are being filmed 8-12 hours a day, 3-4 days a week - well beyond established guidelines for children who CHOOSE to be in the entertainment industry.

They are child labor without any safeguards for their well-being either physical or emotional.

Please look at the history of the Dionne Quintuplets and ask yourself if the Gosselin sextuplets (and the older twin girls) are being treated any better in 2008.

Thank you,

Jim S said...

Just for the record, the book enters the New York Times hardcover non-fiction best seller list at number 5 this Sunday.

I was checking to see if Maureen McCormick's book had made the list yet (it did, at number 4) and right beneath her were Jon and Kate.

Onomatopoeia said...

This is the icing on the proverbial wedding cake as far as I'm concerned...

The whole CBN complex in Virginia Beach is just as described in a previous posting, a true testament to exploiting people for $$$ in the name of the Lord. J&K will be right at home and perhaps learn some new scamming tips.

(FWIW, a close friend did some consulting work for CBN in the 90's and was required to TITHE part of his paycheck back to Master Pat R. He promptly told them to 'take their job and shove it!')

Anonymous said...

anonymous said...it says that they are going to be broadcasting live... i'm wondering if it may be in their "new" house b/c it looks as if they are moving this week.

AND

--Uh yeah, I do think that they may be moving this week. 2 moving trucks since Monday... probably moving!

Just a thought...

There is talk that the Gs are moving this week, and at the same time Julie says in her new post, "Jodi NOW feels like she is at a turning point..."

Maybe Jodi feels like it will be easier to move forward because of the move. The timing makes perfect sense!

nancy19 said...

Ok, so Jon and Kate wrote the book. No mention of Beth. Let's face it, Jon and Kate could not write a grocery list if their lives depended on it.
They should be ashamed and this so-called Christian network should be kneeling down asking for forgiveness because they just sold their souls to the devil (Devil being the KON machine)

Allison Parker said...
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Christine said...

You can see more of the interview here:

http://www.cbn.com/media/index.aspx?s=%2fvod%2fHB1_Full_Interview

Anonymous said...

On the CBN website, Kate is quoted as saying "I wanted three children, Jon wanted two. Neither of us won".

OMG, did this woman just say that having the sextuplets was "not" winning?

Kate, you have healthy children. You have won the lottery ! Someday those kids will be old enough to read on their own what their mother said about them !

Anonymous said...

Why are we talking religion here? With all due respect, we are writing on a blog that criticizes people, so none of us can really play the Jesus card. I'm not being harsh, I'm being honest.

IMO, J & K themselves are the ones that encourage the topic of religion to play a part in the criticisims on this blog. J & K utilize their religion as a platform to further expose their 'cause' and reap 'just' rewards as a result; they (J&K) also excessively refer to 'God' as a means to justify their choices in life as a way to dissolve themselves of having to accept personal accountability. J & K claim to be christians, therefore the topic of religion IMO does apply with respect J & K and the opinions and criticisms expressed within the contents of this blog site.

porkrind said...

I am sure that KON's book will fall off the list fast. And if it doesn't, who cares? They are the one's that will have to deal with God when the time comes...

What's that God? You've already given them a pass because they have EIGHT children? EIGHT? and they want more?

Anonymous said...

Here's a thought. I bet they are moving, to a new house still in pa. They are keeping their current house to film in.

This solves the problem with everyone knowing where they live. They will film in the old house and live in a new one.

What do you think?

Anonymous said...

so it was just kate on the show?

So all the fit over twins missing school was unnecessary?

T-bag said...

I will have to say that when I originally came to this site, I was shocked and really turned off my Jon and Kate and everything that was going on.

However, it seems those posting here are just as petty. The nit picking is stupid. The caddy comments are unrelenting. You are taking a legitimate complaint of the children getting overexposed and making it into a cat fight with all of the witchiness. Thus discrediting your complaints. These actions are hurting your cause.

If KON does something one way you complain, if they do it the other way it's damage control. If they are being nice to their children they are faking, if they are strict they are too mean, if they are too nice they are not taking control of their children, it goes on and on.

Yes the overexposure of the children is too much - the show should end. But the way this blog is approaching it is becoming just as bad. You are burying your legitimate arguments under alot of nonsense.
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I agree. When I came to this site I too was turned off by all the lies I saw on Jon & Kate. But now some of the things on this blog are just disheartening. I would think that a producer who got a letter advocating for the children would be impressed, and then find this blog and feel the exact opposite.

porkrind said...

I wouldn't put it past KON to buy a new house and use the old for filming--- just use up more time and shuffle the kids around more.... and it would still give them half a case for freebies and their mantra of being poor and economical..... *barf*

PKD-in-Illinois said...

Oh, please, PLEASE don't think I'm sticking up for Kate. Sticking up for that twit is the last thing I'd EVER do.

BUT ...

When she says, "We both lost ..." I don't think she means that having the tups was "losing."

Years and YEARS ago, I asked my Mom and Dad where they kept their will, where the saftey deposit box key was, what they wanted in their funerals ... I thought we should get that stuff out in the open.

When I asked about the grave marker, she said, "We can't decide that until one of us dies. Your Dad wants a tall one ... I want a flat one ... whoever dies first loses."

I mean, common ... that sounds terribly harsh, right? But she didn't strictly mean it in a "you lose" sort of way ... and when he died three years ago and we went and ordered the grave marker, she didn't say, "I win ..." ...

My point is ... it's just a phrase. Neither of them got what they wanted. It's an UNFORTUNATE phrase, granted ... and she should've used better words. But she certainly didn't mean it as the tups (or twins) equate to losing.

Now ... if you want to be upset about something ... be upset that Jon had already "won" at one point. Think about it ... they HAD two children! Jon HAD his perfect family. Had Kate accepted their blessing as it was, at least one of them would've been happy. These days? It's hard to tell sometimes ...

momforthekids said...

t-bag,

I'll tell you why we're talking religion here. It's part of Jon and Kate's scam, that's why. Yes, it is sad that they are using religion, but it's a BIG part of their scam and it's a sin!

babeeberry said...

Another article in People. Kate is talking about the holiday's and how important they are to her. She also mentions cooking for her family of 10 and 15 additional guests. Hmmm, there are that many crew in her house at one time?


http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20236569,00.html

jasmineinmymind said...

I think people who find this blog unsavory should find another blog. Yes, this blog isn't for everyone. So as the Kate lovers like to say.... don't watch (aka don't post).

I like the diversity of opinions here. And as far as snark is concerned-- what part of "without pity" are people missing?

I think the people who are so upset by this blog are just as petty as the rest of us. They are picking on us, we pick on the show- to me there is no difference.

I like snark. I like to rag on the show. I think the kids are mistreated psychologically if not in the hours they work. If you don't like the opinions- move on.

Libby said...

What I saw of it was same-old, same-old. Kate retelling the story of how she ended up with two sets of multiples and how very hard it was to be poor.

Anonymous said...

By complete accident this morning
while flipping the channels, I saw
the queen on the 700 club. She said one thing I had not heard before "Jon waited in line at the
Salvation Army for assistance for their heating bill"

Anonymous said...

How does a family with NO income afford health insurance or fertility treatments?
The thing that bothers me most about Jon and Kate is the constant illusion of poverty. I wish they would see the real suffering of American families that live below the poverty line.

Anonymous said...

"And it's a big family! On the eve of Thanksgiving, Gosselin can be found in her kitchen preparing for at least 15 additional guests."

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I call total b.s. Where does she put the extra 15 guests? And who are they? The camera crew?

momforthekids said...

jasmineinmymind,

I say Amen to your comments. I couldn't agree with you more! Kate can't remember all the lies she tells. I feel like she is delusional at times. No one MAKES people come here to read our comments. No one holds a gun to their head. They come out of curiosity to see what we have to say. The people that don't see what Jon and Kate are doing to their children are in denial. I believe that they don't want to see it. Mistreating your children psychologically is not a good thing to do. Doing it on national television is a disgrace.

MomOfThree said...

I know I will be in the minority here, but I have to say that I think the CBN appearance was a very nice segment. I am not trying to defend Kate here, just trying to "get" where she "is coming from". I felt that Kate was being genuine and she said two things that really struck a nerve with me. The first was when after the tups were born, she said that on a stress check list, she could check off nearly all the "symptoms" that were listed...she had recently had
a pregnancy/child(ren); had moved; her best friend had died; Jon's father had died; neither one of them had a job; they had two kids they couldn't take care of and now 6 more (YES, she actually said that). This interested me because I have always felt and have said in my posts that I felt that she suffers from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, probably made worse by her OCD. I personally know something about PTSD because at one time, I too, could check off most of the symptoms on the "list". The second thing that gave me pause was when Kate said that she had grown up with the idea that God was this looming, intimidating presence ready to strike you down if you were "bad". I was raised Catholic, attended 12 years of Catholic school and was also taught that God would punish me when I was "bad" and that the punishment would be sure and swift and any negative thing that happened in my life ever was God's direct response to my "badness". As I was the child of an alcoholic, it took me years to realize that the alcoholism had NOTHING to do with my conduct at all (or my school grades, whether or not I ate meat on Friday, or argued with my friends) and no matter how perfect I tried to be (and I tried very hard, believe me), I couldn't change anything. Of course, now I know different but this was heavy stuff for a child to deal with. And it shapes who you become as an adult.

I think J & K really believe that by doing the show, they are doing the best thing they can for the family; I think that they feel that they are providing for them financially and emotionally by having both parents home with them each day. Of course, their definition of "both parents home each day" means that neither parent holds a job and both are available to the kids more than parents that do have jobs. We know that they are not both "in the house" always, but to them, they may feel that they are always available to the family and thus justify their position that way. When they travel "for business", well, they may feel that lots of people travel for business more than they do and that's just part of the "business". I also strongly believe that Kate feels bad/guilty about being estranged from their families (especially now that the kids are older and may ask questions)and that carrying around these feelings makes her personality only more sour. Whether or not they'd ever admit it, both she and Jon HAD to feel terrible that at the vow renewal, no family but the kids were there. This time around TLC would have footed the extended family's bill or now even J & K could afford to bring them, but there was no one there to bring. That had to hurt...even if it was their own doings.

Of course, there is no excuse for treating the kids as bad as they often do...parenting is stressful and the rest of us have jobs and finances to contend with in addition to parenting and it would be my guess that most of us treat our kids kinder and with respect.

Anyway, my intention here was to express my opinion on the CBN interview and try to remain objective about the Gosselin situation as a whole (so we can keep our focus on helping the kids). Along the way, I am also trying to understand, if I can, the reasons why this "show" that had begun so sweetly and innocently as a peek into the lives of this special family, has gotten so out-of-control and if there is anything we, the public, can do to see that the kids are as unscathed as possible. I fully realize that plenty of people do not share my view of things and that's absolutely fine, as disagreement is great for discussions. I really don't want to offend anyone by saying this but lately it seems that some posters here (NOT all) are getting more critical and aggressive and condemning even BEFORE we know things to be fact (and this takes away from efforts to speak up for the kids). For instance, we have people estimating the number of school days the twins have missed and someone who actually took the time and trouble to research the absence laws of both PA's public and private schools. All this speculation and gossip and ONLY Kate turned up on the show anyway...and since there was no conversation between the hostess and Kate, I doubt it was even a live interview. We had a small victory and should be glad that the kids were left out of it for once, but yet there's the post that seems to express disappointment that it was ONLY Kate telling the same old story AGAIN (well, what story did we think she was gonna tell?). Let's all of us channel our energies to come up with a plan to try to have some laws implemented for kids on reality shows. Perhaps some sort of petition? Writing to our state government, for starters? With all the "talk" surrounding "J & K + 8", this popular, high-rated show isn't going anywhere anytime soon; in fact I have seen commercials for even more shows showcasing large families and families with unusual lifestyles, i.e. one family of 6 living in a camper and traveling around. Our only hope for any of these kids is to try to push for some laws for kids on these type shows specifically. I would imagine that TLC has legally looked into this to make sure that they are not breaking any laws that might shut down the show or have them fined. Obviously, they are not in violation of anything or else they would have had to make adjustments.
Probably none of this falls under the jurisdiction of PA's child protection services, either. At the very least, maybe a social worker (or two) should be present during all filming. This is just my two cents in all this and these are just few ideas thrown out there.

Sasha222 said...

Anyone who associates themselves with that evil hate mongering Pat Robertson cannot possibly be taken seriously. Kon is digging their own grave by appearing on that show. That man is the complete opposite of what a Christian is supposed to be. Words cannot even describe the vile hypocrisy that spews from that man's mouth.

Anonymous said...

Katie Irene tried the crocodile tear thing. Will Puffs or Kleenex tissues be the next TLC sponsor. Rediculous what this family tries to do in the name of the almighty dollar.

Anonymous said...

"By complete accident this morning
while flipping the channels, I saw
the queen on the 700 club. She said one thing I had not heard before "Jon waited in line at the
Salvation Army for assistance for their heating bill""

Was he standing in line prior to the tups being born or after? How can this couple go from living a modest life with two children to making a conscious effort to have more children, with the addition of fertility treatments to crying poor to the extent that Jon had to stand in line at the Salvation Army? Whatever. Apparantly, Jon wasnt in to providing financially for his family back then either and his children have been delegated the responsibility of carrying that burden today!

Anonymous said...

Sasha222 said...
Anyone who associates themselves with that evil hate mongering Pat Robertson cannot possibly be taken seriously. Kon is digging their own grave by appearing on that show. That man is the complete opposite of what a Christian is supposed to be. Words cannot even describe the vile hypocrisy that spews from that man's mouth.
_________________
Sasha, I totally agree with you that Pat Robertson is a vile hate mongerer. The hate that has come out of his mouth over the years is offensive and morally repugnant. But, he has a vast and ardent following. His followers are called "sheeple." These are the same "sheeple" who follow KON. I do think her appearance on the 700 Club will push any borderline sheeple over the fence as con-KON.

porkrind said...

I agree that Jon has never been into the responsibile thing but I think that Katie Irene needs to take some responsibility for supporting the family she P.A.I.D. to have.

Anonymous said...

I will have to say that when I originally came to this site, I was shocked and really turned off my Jon and Kate and everything that was going on.

However, it seems those posting here are just as petty. The nit picking is stupid. The caddy comments are unrelenting."

It is so unappealing that you can't pry yourself away, huh? : ) At least many of the people here watch the show with an intent to add more to their list of sponsors of KON to email. What is the purpose of reading a blog that is so horrible to one's senses?

porkrind said...

I can't believe all of you are so mean to Kate... I mean, she has EIGHT, count them EIGHT children! She has every right to be exhausted, because it must be so hard sometimes to get the shill act just right for a live audience!

Anonymous said...

Anon said: There is talk that the Gs are moving this week, and at the same time Julie says in her new post, "Jodi NOW feels like she is at a turning point..."
Maybe Jodi feels like it will be easier to move forward because of the move. The timing makes perfect sense!
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Hmmm... I did not even think about that - KON's moving being a turning point for Jodi. The twins, it seems, have been out of school quite a bit over the last weeks to appear on talk shows with KON. Maybe KON took them out of their school in PA and is planning to enroll them in their new school in NC after the talk show circuit has been completed. Gee, once the kids are physically gone from PA, poor Jodi will really be in a bad way. At least she knew that they were still around the corner and she could drive by their house. Now, if they are so far out of state, it's like they really will not even exist for her in any way at all. My heart goes out to Jodi. If I were in that situation, I think I'd die of a broken heart.

Anonymous said...

Frankly, if J&K are moving to a new house and keeping the old one for filming, I would be ok with that. I would feel good for the kids that they are finally getting some much needed privacy. I don't see anything wrong with them moving at all. The house is cramped and it will get worse as the kids get older. I'm one of 8 myself. Those kids need their individual space, especially Cara and Mady. If they move to a million dollar house in NC or Timbuktu, I think that's ok. It's none of my business. Yes, I know, it's paid for by working children. That's what I have a problem with. The working kids.

Anonymous said...

If Jon and Kate REALLY wrote the book, it would be full of grammatical mistakes. Or Kate corrected Jon throughout!

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate Gosselin sure have come a long way in the mere four years since the tups were born. From Jon standing in line at the Salvation Army and the crying poor to a community that provided for them financially and otherwise to TLC providing them 'economic stability' and the luxery of being home to raise their children. They got their economic security, their custom built home, tummy tuck and hair transplants, free brand name clothing, all expense paid resort vacations, and their ultimate vow renewal ceremony in Hawaii. My question is; J & K's arms must be extremely tired and hands painfully calloused after 4 years of being extended outward and grabbing anything and everything with a free price tag attached. Isnt it about time to pack it up and call it a day already??

BlueBeDeviled said...

The caddy comments are unrelenting. You are taking a legitimate complaint of the children getting overexposed and making it into a cat fight with all of the witchiness. Thus discrediting your complaints. These actions are hurting your cause. The caddy should definitely be on the golf course and not blogging, hush, and lets get to the back 9. Really the mods are pretty good at not letting any vile type comments come through and what I read here is no worse then the Princess C from Greece blog/forum thing, TWoP or many other gathering spots for those interested in discussing the disgusting. If you feel it hurts the cause -- it's your opinion I don't recall CNN clutching their pearls over the site.


Anonymous said...
By complete accident this morning
while flipping the channels, I saw
the queen on the 700 club. She said one thing I had not heard before "Jon waited in line at the
Salvation Army for assistance for their heating bill"
Not surprised at all as I've seen folks with a million dollars in death benefits collecting alls sorts of goodies due to being "poor" due to out of work, disaster struck the area and so forth... there are things that you don't have to claim as income and somehow Poppy fixed it so that the money he left them I guess didn't get counted as income so viola able to take part in the programs for the truly needy because of being able to hid the inheritance and I guess if your house is your primary income even though you've $100,000 in equity they let you keep it and still get "help." Gotta love it.

momforthekids said...

porkrind,

You say Kate has a right to be exhausted? What about Jon? He does most of the work. Think about what he does for those kids, plus he plays with them. With Kate it always me,me,me. Someone needs to say to her, what about Jon? Besides Kate is the one that sleeps in, not Jon. You don't hear him complaining, do you?

Ilovemykids said...

So, Kon didn't have the money to pay for their heating bill, but could pay for IVI?

Hilarious, Kate. Honey, you dig a hole deeper and deeper every time you open your mouth.

mollybloom said...

Are these people ever home?

Anonymous said...

I just went to the link above for the new People article. Along with all of her usual BS, she had a book signing at K-mart Wednesday. I find this very sad. We all know that Beth did all of the work on this book. She has been given no credit.

With all of the queens solo gigs, I
think she fashions herself the star of a TV show instead of the mother of beautiful children. I find it sickening.

I wish someone would have Beth on their show, or a book signing. I know it won't happen, but I can wish.

Sasha222 said...

ilovemykids said:

So, Kon didn't have the money to pay for their heating bill, but could pay for IVI?

Hilarious, Kate. Honey, you dig a hole deeper and deeper every time you open your mouth.

____________________________________

Yeah that didn't seem to make much sense to me either. I mean, I have ACTUALLY stood in line at food banks before, and believe me, the last thing on my mind was the thought of having even more kids that I couldn't support. And as for those who say that Kon's family helped them pay for IVF, then those family members must be really unintelligent. My family would kick me in the head if I asked them to help me birth more children while I was being fed from the Salvation Army..

Anonymous said...

anonymous: Gee, once the kids are physically gone from PA, poor Jodi will really be in a bad way. At least she knew that they were still around the corner and she could drive by their house. Now, if they are so far out of state, it's like they really will not even exist for her in any way at all.

Alot has changed in the last 6-9 months. I don't think we should assume the move is to NC. Maybe that didn't pan out the way they wanted. From what I hear, they are moving to an estate in PA.

lifeoriley said...

I was flipping through the channels this morning and caught some of Kate's interview on CBN.
Most of it was the same old story-- and it was obvious promotion for the book. When Kate started to tear up during certain parts of her story, I actually started to feel for her--maybe she isn't such an ice-queen after all? It must have been overwhelming in the beginning, no doubt.
The thing that struck me, however, was that while she talked of being grateful to God for the positive outcome of her pregnancy, much of what she talked about was due to her physical discomfort during the pregnancy (which I imagine WAS uncomfortable!) and the financial hardships they faced. There was very little talk of being overjoyed that the babies were beautiful and healthy or about the effect the whole ordeal had on the twins. Most of the things she said had to do with her feelings -- what she had gone through.
Also, it kind of irked me that she attributed their financial gains to divine providence--that "God loves us and is taking care of us"--materially. I don't want to disrespect anyone's beliefs-- but when someone says this, I always think--what about the poor in this world--does that mean God does not love them or somehow they deserve to be poor?

Lonnyswife said...

Unless I see the time lapse photography of Kate Gosselin getting all the dishes prepped the day before Thanksgiving, including baking three pies I will not believe it.

15 extra people? In that little house? Who exactly is she kidding? Even if she could find that many to take her up on the offer I just don't see it happening.

Anonymous said...

In response to: "With all of the queens solo gigs, I
think she fashions herself the star of a TV show instead of the mother of beautiful children. I find it sickening."

I agree. Even the Bonnie Hunt episode description titled her as Kate Gosselin the 'star' of the reality show J & K + 8. The episode description should have been more appropriately described as; Kate Gosselin the mother of two sets of multiples featured in the reality show J & K + 8.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the above posters about the show changing a lot recently. Their PR people sure are involved and it's showing. Everything from J&K's appearance, to their tone of voice, to the damage control in almost every scene. Whew, I wonder how many takes they have to do to get the affectionate scenes look good? (< :

No way will they keep the old house to film the show. They've already told us they were looking for a new house and teased us telling us to expect big and exciting things soon. We'll see the new house in all it's glory very soon; I just hope that whomever's footing the bill for the new digs also pays for a decorator and the days of blank walls is over!

I'd like to make a personal plea (absolutely,completely IMO) that we stick to talking about the show, what we see and know of the exploitation of the kids, and away from religion which could be offensive to some readers. I enjoy how we manage to keep our focus on their show and it's effect on the kids. That said; I,
too, wrote to CBN about Kate's appearance asking them to be 'enlightened' and fair in their interview and to research the many controvercies about the show and to present all sides, ie: Paul Peterson's views. Guess they simply didn't care about the notes they got from us all.

Are they still taping about 1 month ahead or do they have more episodes ready to go? I'm wondering if we'll see them in the new house for the holidays or if they'll keep the unveiling of the new house for Feb, which is sweeps month. I'll bet -- Feb. But, J&K will certainly be excited in their hints about it. Blech!

Anonymous said...

Isn't it interesting that the huge estate home was posted on the front of this blog and now someone says they are in the process of moving. I think someone knows more then they are telling us.

About Kate doing the book signing....I wonder if anyone asks her where Beth is!

iluveeyore said...

Supposedly, Kate had the family Easter dinner in the GARAGE... along with the potties!

I suspect that the latest detente in the family is because Kate has invited everyone to their new house for Thanksgiving dinner -- which will be cooked and served by helpers.

Sally said...

Goes all out for Christmas? Sorry, but the house as it was shown during last season's Christmas spectacular was a depressing and bare as the Who's home after the Grinch visited.
All they needed to complete the picture were bare wires on the wall. Oh wait, those are already there for the lights.

momforthekids said...

When Kate was on CBN today she made a comment that I thought was strange. She said that when she was very young she asked her mom:
"Mommy, what if when I get older I can't have babies"? What child even thinks of that kind of stuff when they are little?

SmartyQ said...

momforthekids said... When Kate was on CBN today she made a comment that I thought was strange. She said that when she was very young she asked her mom:
"Mommy, what if when I get older I can't have babies"? What child even thinks of that kind of stuff when they are little?

There are some strange sea changes going on in Katie's head. I am convinced that, as each day passes, she loses a little more ability to be able to differentiate between the truth and her fiction. Moreover, her fiction is getting stranger and actually approaching bizarre.

I do not say this lightly nor 'in snark.' I do believe Kate has some mental issues that are starting to cripple her. What you reported she said is in the Twilight Zone. Those poor children!

porkrind said...

momforthekids,
Apparently you didn't read the second part of my post about Kate shilling.... please don't lump me in as a Kate supporter..... :)

Anonymous said...

15 extra people? In that little house? Who exactly is she kidding? Even if she could find that many to take her up on the offer I just don't see it happening.
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It's got to be crew and their spouses and/or kids, maybe Jenny and her family? We know they don't have friends and family of their own who would come. I wouldn't be surprised if the network hired actors to play friends, brought in people to stage and decorate the home and then made a show about it so we can see how popular and together they are. And I'm sure at least a small percentage of fools will believe it all.

Jen said...

Oh man, my mom has been telling me for months that I should lay off KON and just watch the show and enjoy the kids (I quit watching 3 1/2 months ago). I keep arguing with her, but now I don't have to do the convincing. I told my mom they were going to be on the 700 Club and after she knew for sure that i was telling the truth, she stopped, was quiet for a moment and said, "It's all over for me." That about says it all! A big step in the right diorection, almost as big as the hole kate dug herself into with her stupid comments on teh show today.

ThreePumpkins said...

As far as fitting 15 extra people in that house for Thanksgiving... my father has a house about a third the size of the Gosselin house and we fit over 50 people in it during the Holidays. THAT is exhausting.

Anonymous said...

SmartyQ said...
momforthekids said... When Kate was on CBN today she made a comment that I thought was strange. She said that when she was very young she asked her mom:
"Mommy, what if when I get older I can't have babies"? What child even thinks of that kind of stuff when they are little?
There are some strange sea changes going on in Katie's head. I am convinced that, as each day passes, she loses a little more ability to be able to differentiate between the truth and her fiction. Moreover, her fiction is getting stranger and actually approaching bizarre.

I do not say this lightly nor 'in snark.' I do believe Kate has some mental issues that are starting to cripple her. What you reported she said is in the Twilight Zone. Those poor children!

I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment that Kate has lost all ability to differeniate between fact and fiction. Kate's so called truth is one that is fueled by her own fantasy and fast approaching on delusional.

A Mom-ynous said...

"How does a family with NO income afford health insurance or fertility treatments?
The thing that bothers me most about Jon and Kate is the constant illusion of poverty. I wish they would see the real suffering of American families that live below the poverty line.
"

Not an expert in fertility or the cost, but Mrs. Dilley pawned her wedding ring or something like that to get the cash in order to cover the shot of whatever drug it was (can't recall!).

Being low in income doesn't mean that fertility treatment is completely unavailable.

T-bag said...

I'll probably get slammed for this comment but it's been in my head for a few days now and I hope I don't ramble.
When cameramen and editors set out to make a reality-type show, they come up with TONS of footage. How they choose to cut and paste that footage into a 22 minute segment is up to them- they can twist footage into any direction they want. We used to do this in film school all the time- take something we shot and turn it into something very different. Figure 8 Films has people whose specific job it is to find out what the public wants to see from the show. I really think that some of the shocking scenes we see are what the producers feel is what the public wants- so they play it up by putting 20 scenes of Kate hitting Jon together in one stream or scenes of Mady screaming without the reason behind it. They can also ignore normal scenes of loving relationships to play up the more negative (reasons why we don't see every hug, every I love you, etc.)

So when you see "damage control" it could just as easily be that that's how they really live and the producers are only now bringing it to light (because of this blog and other negative factors). Just think it over.

Anonymous said...

momforthekids said... When Kate was on CBN today she made a comment that I thought was strange. She said that when she was very young she asked her mom:
"Mommy, what if when I get older I can't have babies"? What child even thinks of that kind of stuff when they are little?

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I am not a Kate supporter, HOWEVER, when i was a child, ( 12 or so) I remember telling my older cousing who was pregnant that my biggest fear was not being able to have a child. When i was in highschool, i always had this looming sence that something was wrong when my friends and I would talk about having kids. In 2004, I was diagnosed with PCOS, and have been trying unsuccessfully to have children, using the same methods that Kate used. So,no i dont think it is that crazy, unless you consider myself crazy, and i am clearly not... i think it is just an "instinct" If you go onto online support groups you will find many women who are inferile who had the same fears/feelings in the years prior...
IMO though she is still a crazy bat, but not because of that.. because of every thing else that comes out of that womans mouth and her actions, and her temperment, and her hair, and ...........

Anonymous said...

I had pretty much stopped watching the show a while back due to the bickering between J&K. I knew they had been talking about moving, but didn't realize that it is happening soon. I can only guess as to what kind of contract will have to be signed in exchange for a new super duper house. These children are living their future now. They will be working to pay off this house until they are able to move out. Maybe they can have the walls made of see thru plastic so the absolute every move can be recorded easier.

ThreePumpkins said...

Regarding the fertility treatments...I read a while back that Jon's father helped foot that bill. Also, they could have mortgaged that house.

I don't think they were unemployed at the time of the fertility treatments.

Anonymous said...

iluveeyore said...
Supposedly, Kate had the family Easter dinner in the GARAGE... along with the potties!

I suspect that the latest detente in the family is because Kate has invited everyone to their new house for Thanksgiving dinner -- which will be cooked and served by helpers.
________________
Everyone? Who do you mean by "everyone?" Was there a sudden reconciliation with Jodi and Kevin and the grandparents and siblings that we do not know about? Please share. Thanks.

momforthekids said...

I watched Kate last night on CBN. I think she is becoming an actress and training herself to cry. Give me a break. The things that woman will do for sympathy.

momforthekids said...

For porkrind,

Yes, I did read your whole comment, and I'm not trying to lump you in as a Kate supporter. However, I get tired of Kate trying to make it look like she does all the work and she doesn't. WHEN Jon was working a full time job he had to come home and do tons of things for the kids. Why couldn't Kate help to bathe some of them? No, she had to SIT around and give orders to everyone. Please, don't take it personally :>).

Anonymous said...

T-bag said...


When cameramen and editors set out to make a reality-type show, they come up with TONS of footage. How they choose to cut and paste that footage into a 22 minute segment is up to them- they can twist footage into any direction they want...I really think that some of the shocking scenes we see are what the producers feel is what the public wants...


That is undoubtedly true. The filming and editing are amateurish and flat. I've seen home videos where the camera work was more professional than on this show. I get the impression that the producers are cut from the same cloth, class-wise and intellectually, as Jon and Kate. They appear to find the same things humorous, and the entire show has a slightly Joe Dirt/My Name Is Earl aroma to it. They don't have a clear focus as to whether they want viewers to feel empathy for the characters in true documentary form, or go for the sensationalist approach ala "Supernanny" or "Wife Swap". It feels like they are trying to cover all the bases and hedge all their bets.

It would be naive to assume the producers are capable of shutting Kate off to the sidelines. Undoubtedly she (and Jon) have some say over the final cut. Maybe they like what they see, or maybe they don't comprehend how bad they look to most people, or maybe they have been convinced by the producers that this is the way to guarantee ratings. In any of those cases it just points out that Jon and Kate are any combination of tasteless, ignorant and mercenary.

Anonymous said...

I keep seeing comments asking how they could afford fertility treatments with no income. How do you figure they had no income at that time? They both were working when they had the treatments. This is the kind of stuff that discredits this blog even more.

Kate said on that CBN interview that they could not afford the twins and then they found out they were having the tups. So that is why we question how they could afford the infertility treatments. Listen closely to what KON says, they trip themselves up constantly.

Anonymous said...

If the Gosselins keep their old house for shooting the show. This is deceptive to the viewers. People are still going to think that they are still in need of a handout because they live in the same house in PA. When in reality they have moved on to a bigger and more lavish house. This couple is something else. They know that if they shoot their new house that would be the end of their show and peopl will figure out they are no longer in need. They are such con artist.

Anonymous said...

Kate can fool some of the people some of the time, etc....

I was diagnosed with PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome)when I was single.

And guess what? I got pregnant on my honeymoon ! Our beautiful daughter was born 9 months 3 days after our wedding.

Having PCOS does not necessarily make you infertile. I am living proof.

porkrind said...

momforthekids:
Didn't take it personally--sarcasm and wit sometimes is lost online... but then, sometimes wit isn't wit as we've seen with Kate....

T-bag said...

To add to my previous statement, I do know that the Gosselins recieve the final cut of each episode before it airs and have some say of what gets changed. However, in my experience as an editor, I know how frustrating it is to have suggestions and amendments made to your work after it's finished and some editors take these suggestions with a very large grain of salt. So I'm guessing that Jon and Kate don't have quite as much power to change what's on TV (at least from an editorial standpoint) as most think they do.

KathyGriffith said...

T-Bag, I hear what you are saying. However, Jon and Kate (and producer Jen) are specifically aiming the interview time to deal with the critics. It appears as though Jon and Kate *are* changing behavior, and that producer Jen is editing in specific response to the criticism. So the whole team is on it.
And really, if the editing was that bad to begin with - why did Jon and Kate continue to sign up for more seasons?

iluveeyore said...

"Everyone? Who do you mean by "everyone?" Was there a sudden reconciliation with Jodi and Kevin and the grandparents and siblings that we do not know about? Please share. Thanks.

I have absolutely no idea if there was a sudden reconciliation. I just suggested that that might be one reason for Julie to have removed her comments about Jodi.

I also thought that Kate could now show off her McMansion by inviting everyone they have kicked out of their lives (relatives and friends) for Thanksgiving dinner. That would be Kate's way of putting out the olive branch. (Come see what WE have!) It would also show the viewers that they DO have family and friends in their lives. I'm sure the PR people suggested it.

michelle said...

I just watched the CBN interview on Youtube.

She sounded very humbled.
I do give her credit in speaking the truth, when she admitted that both her and Jon felt very guilty because they both knew that they were unable to afford two babies, much less eight babies.

A step in the right direction in admitting this. They just need to start giving back to the community. Give all the clothes that the children are growing out of to much needed families. With the 8 same outfits, they could be helping 8 different families. And Jon and Kate should not charge a fee for the clothes either. Just "Give" back to people for free, just as people were doing for you when you really needed the help.

TheGreatPumpkin said...

I used to love love LOVE this show, watch it religiously every week. Now I can't stand it. Somewhere between loving it and liking it to now not being able to watch it at all, I found this blog and others. It really opened my eyes to what Kate and Jon are all about.

I don't watch it anymore and occasionally check out the blogs on it. One thing for sure, they can't hide the true Kate Gosselin. No PR team or damage control (which is what the show is all about lately) will change alot of viewers minds, myself included.

I sure wish the show would be taken off the air. Can't wait for the day it ends!

SmartyQ said...

michelle said... I just watched the CBN interview on Youtube. She sounded very humbled.
I didn't find her humble; I found her subdued. I think the CBN interview was very important to the Gosselin brand because, if TLC drops them, they are positioning themselves to move to CBN.
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Earlier, I wrote, 'There are some strange sea changes going on in Katie's head. I am convinced that, as each day passes, she loses a little more ability to be able to differentiate between the truth and her fiction. Moreover, her fiction is getting stranger and actually approaching bizarre.' After watching the CBN tape, I was actually frightened by Kate's lack of rationality brakes. Among her bizarre statements:

• Although the oft given reason for using IUI after having twins was because they wanted to have the experience of having only one child, she said they expected at least two.

• She 'knew' she would get pregnant in October.

• She said they never discussed their desire and attempts for another baby with the twins. One day (in September, I guess), she was lying on her bed because she was sad that her home pregnancy test was negative. Mady came in, sat on the bed and begain stroking Kate's leg. Mady told her not to be sad because soon she would have a little brother or sister. (Mady was three.) In sum, Mady predicted Kate's pregnancy.

• Jon very upset that he couldn’t provide for his family. ‘By God’s grace, we survived that year.’ Not one mention of the donations, Poppy's contributions, the church's help, nothing.

• Poppy was most involved grandparent. Not a word about how her parents cared for the twins and gave them a place to stay after the tups were born.

• She knows how much God loves her and wants to bless her, ie, make her rich.

During the interview, Kate repeatedly bobbed her head up and down when the interviewer asked her a question. That's something you do when you're getting the questions you want or have prepared to answer.

I urge you to watch because it gives us a lot of insight into the emotional wreck that is now Kate.

Anonymous said...

J&K SHOULD be humble. They have been blessed in many ways and for reasons unknown to us. It does seem that by now they should have enough money to never have to work again-that includes "the show" as well. I really think that they don't know how to raise their children without all the fuss and attention.

Anonymous said...

Just to clear up any misconception that may be out there to people who are not aware of fertility costs. IVF ( in-vitro fertalization) is the first thing everyone thinks of, and is most costly at about 15-20 K a cycle. IUI ( intra-uterine insemination) is what Kate used, she also used ovulation induction medications, but they used jon's sperm. This would have cost them about $2,000, per cycle. I beleive they did 2 cycles to get the tups, in which kate became overstimulated, and any doc worth a grain of salt would have canceld, but that is another thred. So really, they could have just borrowed the money for the treatments from jon's dad, and still not had a pot to pee in, or be financially stable. IMO it is not something that you would take a second morgage out for.

Anonymous said...

Kate says Jon was unemployed for the entire time and stood in line at the Salvation Army for heating assistance. The entire time? Shouldn't this schlepp at least have been out there looking for work when he found out he was going to have six more mouths to feed? Even part-time employment would have given this guy a suggestion of integrity. Kate says Jon aged a lot during this period and way more than most 27 year-olds she knew (someone grab me a freakin tissue) but by the grace of God he got a job at the state capitol. Not too shabby. But wait. According to Kate, God had a better plan and that was "a story to write". She says "whatever He (yes, that's God she's talking about) wants us to do, that's what I want to do".

At least now I know why I think this woman feels justified in pimping out her kids. It's God's story. If anything goes wrong she knows where to point the finger. I'm not religious. She and people like her are the reason why.

michelle said...

It seemed to me that Kate was describing intuitive feelings.

We all have intuition. A "gut" feeling.

Lots of people have experienced this in their lifetime.

Anonymous said...

Mady came in, sat on the bed and begain stroking Kate's leg. Mady told her not to be sad because soon she would have a little brother or sister. (Mady was three.) In sum, Mady predicted Kate's pregnancy.
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Her delusions are probably making her remember incorrectly and in fact she probably whined to the twins that she wanted to give them siblings but couldn't.

Anonymous said...

She said they never discussed their desire and attempts for another baby with the twins. One day (in September, I guess), she was lying on her bed because she was sad that her home pregnancy test was negative. Mady came in, sat on the bed and begain stroking Kate's leg. Mady told her not to be sad because soon she would have a little brother or sister. (Mady was three.) In sum, Mady predicted Kate's pregnancy.

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In the book she talks about this and said that they did not have direct conversation with mady and cara about having more babies, but that she was sure they probably heard she and Jon discussing it because it was always being discussed.

my9cats said...

Anonymous said...
Kate says Jon was unemployed for the entire time and stood in line at the Salvation Army for heating assistance. The entire time? Shouldn't this schlepp at least have been out there looking for work when he found out he was going to have six more mouths to feed? Even part-time employment would have given this guy a suggestion of integrity. Kate says Jon aged a lot during this period and way more than most 27 year-olds she knew (someone grab me a freakin tissue) but by the grace of God he got a job at the state capitol. Not too shabby. But wait. According to Kate, God had a better plan and that was "a story to write". She says "whatever He (yes, that's God she's talking about) wants us to do, that's what I want to do".

At least now I know why I think this woman feels justified in pimping out her kids. It's God's story. If anything goes wrong she knows where to point the finger. I'm not religious. She and people like her are the reason why.

10/31/2008 9:16 PM

According to articles and blogs from the Reading Eagle at the time of Kate's demanding the state to continue paying for a nurse, Jon WAS employed when she was pregnant with the tups and had health coverage. Former co-workers and his boss were furious that Jon claimed he lost his job because his health insurance refused to cover the birth and follow up. The truth was Kate was continually demanding Jon's presence at the hospital with her. He spent less and less time at work and finally stopped going in. Period. Jon was NOT fired. He just stopped showing up for work and never bothered to call in and resign.
These two are a real piece of work. They deserve each other. Using their twisted logic I could rob a bank and claim it was God's plan. Where is the accountability? There is no difference between robbing a bank and fleecing the sheep in God's name. I feel so bad for the kids. Poor Mady and Cara. It must be very hard reconcilling the ethics and morals learned at school, with KON's violating the same principles 'in God's name' at home. KON are using God's name as a shill for self enrichment and promotion and that is disgusting. Sorry to go on. This really pisses me off.

Anonymous said...

Kate should write a second book about how she recieves these messages from God. Does he send them through a television, or by mail. I am just curious. So far he has sent her a lot of material wealth. There are a lot of families in need these days and it would be helpful to us all to know how she gets these communications. She seems to get messages from him pretty regularly. Quite frankly I have known God for years and I have never communicated with him at the level that she does. She is a modern day miracle that Kate Gosselin. God seems to dictate Kate's every move. If she had a bad day. God is responsible. God took her extended family away. God told them to go on vacation because they would have fun. God wanted them to sell the clothes to a consignment shop rather than give them away. God made me say ugly hurtful things to Jon. It is all God's plan. I would much rather read a book about her communications with God, than a Cookbook.

etownnurse said...

From what I've seen this week, it looks like they ARE moving. There have been trucks there all week, and it looks like the garage is all packed up. I doubt that they will be keeping the house just for filming. When the movers (well did you expect Jon to do it all again??) had the front door open it didn't appear as tho there was any furniture in it! The vans haven't been there either. My guess is that they are settling into the new KON-pound and once the house is empty THEN they will put it on the market. I don't see Miss Kate allowing common folk to walk thru the house while they are still there.... thoughts??

elleroy said...

I just went to the link above for the new People article. Along with all of her usual BS, she had a book signing at K-mart Wednesday. I find this very sad. We all know that Beth did all of the work on this book. She has been given no credit.
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Maybe it's just coincidence, but when the 700 club woman held the book up, she had her hand over beth's name as she announced that jon and kate wrote it.
I would be beyond livid if I were beth.

With all of the queens solo gigs, I
think she fashions herself the star of a TV show instead of the mother of beautiful children. I find it sickening.
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I do too. Although I don't agree with dragging these poor kids from appearance to appearance, it's really strange that Kate is now doing solo gigs, given that the show is supposed to be about the kids - NOT her - and we are watching because of the kids, not her.

I wish someone would have Beth on their show, or a book signing. I know it won't happen, but I can wish.
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I agree 100%. She deserves credit and I do hope she is being paid her fair share although I'll bet that doesn't matter to her.
She seems like such a sincere person that the money issue is not a consideration for her. I really feel badly for her that she's been treated so poorly after all of her generosity and kindness.

Anonymous said...

Anon 0700-My thoughts exactly...I actaully thought, I do not remember writing this.

Regarding the sale of the house, sometimes companies buy homes as part of a business contract. Maybe J/K sold the older home to F-8, and have now moved on to their new digs.

To those who are upset at Kate and her one-woman-show, I disagree. Kate seems to crave the attention, let HER work for it. Just leave the kids with Jon at home- they all deserve the break from Kate and the public.

my9cats said...

etownnurse said...
From what I've seen this week, it looks like they ARE moving. There have been trucks there all week, and it looks like the garage is all packed up. I doubt that they will be keeping the house just for filming. When the movers (well did you expect Jon to do it all again??) had the front door open it didn't appear as tho there was any furniture in it! The vans haven't been there either. My guess is that they are settling into the new KON-pound and once the house is empty THEN they will put it on the market. I don't see Miss Kate allowing common folk to walk thru the house while they are still there.... thoughts??

11/01/2008 10:33 AM

For once ITA with Kate not wanting the house shown while they were still living there. It would have been very hard separating sincere buyers from the looky-loos who just want to snoop, although that didn't stop KON from doing the same thing in VA.

According to Zwillow the estimated value of their house is 235,500. 4 beds, 2.5 baths, 1,494 sq ft, Lot 14,374 sqft. "Value Range: $211,950 - $254,340, 30-day change: -$5,500
Zestimate updated: 10/31/2008
Last sale and tax info
Sold 03/21/2006: $280,000
2007 Property Tax: $2,721."

I imagine with the notoriety, the house will sell for a higher amount. Wonder if the studio lighting is included, or, if removed, the holes patched.

For the privacy of the neighbors I won't post the link as it has KON's address.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
IUI ( intra-uterine insemination) is what Kate used, she also used ovulation induction medications, but they used jon's sperm. This would have cost them about $2,000, per cycle.

My husband and I went through fertility around the same time as Kon and we also live in PA, so I'm assuming that the costs of the treatment would be similar...
Our health insurance covered the every other day ultrasounds and bloodwork. Yet, during a cycle, we spent nearly $3000 on medications (injections) alone -- non of which was covered by insurance. We also had to pay $500 out-of-pocket for the actual IUI.

michelle said...

Can someone please explain to me what a consignment is? I have always given my stuff away (clothes, books)

I do feel bad for Beth. I still wonder if they are truly not friends anymore or if the friendship is just off camera now.

Beth really should be acknowledged for the book and the valuable input that I'm sure she contributed or helped write, by both Jon and Kate.
It is flat out wrong that they are not doing this while promoting the book.

I hope Beth will be included in getting the proceeds (is this what they call it?) from the book. I would suspect if Beth does, she and her husband would give it away to help some cause. Beth just seems to be that kind of person that would indeed do this. I mean she volunteered to help Jon and Kate with the tups when they were babies. And all of those times that she kept the tups overnight (babysit) and went on the trips with them to help watch the tups. Although, I feel that Beth truly loved these children and this is why she was more than willing to do this. Plus, it seems that Beth's husband has a job and a very good one at that. There home was beautiful & It seems they are well off financially (with the parents/or parent working and not through their kids).

It's too bad that Jon did not truly work for Beth's husband, with more flexible hours and able to work at home some, like both Jon and Kate proclaimed on one of the episodes. I'm beginning to think that that was not even true. But, why would they really make that up and say it on national T.V., if it were not true?? I mean Beth and Bob (I think that is her husband's name) don't strike me as the kind of people that would condone that kind of blatant lie??

Though, I feel the kids are being exploited, I so want to find reasons to give Kate and Jon the benefit of the doubt. I really do...

Anonymous said...

My9Cats,
exactly, the Reading Eagle has some excellent atricles and reader feedback. Everything that I have read spells out this family as a scam from the beginning. I am going to ramble for a second bear with me. Jon and Kate have been blessed. A couple that 60 yrs ago might not have been able to conceive children have been blessed with 8. Eight that appear to be healthy as well. Their initial struggle is a compelling story in of itself. This is what the book reveals and what the talk show hosts and the people that book them see. However a behind the scenes look and some digging reveal a truth many will never see, or want to see for that matter.
I called CBN, spoke to the public relations individual. I asked them to ask the tough questions, where is Jodi, where is Beth, why is Kate so demeaning of Jon and what I learned in reading the Eagle pieces. They said they would not do that. They also said that many were moved by her story, just like I thought, even to tears. She stated the interview was not live and they had many calls wanting to see her in person. She also went on to say however, they have only seen the show "once or twice" and they didnt like the interaction Kate had with Jon. Not a surprise is it?
I dont understand why the truth is not usually in this show anymore. Why such a spin on things. We were supposed to marry in HA. Why not say we couldnt afford to and this has been a dream we had. Who knows? The truthiness is HA HA the viewing public may never know why this blog tells it like it is. J & K have a history a silent one at that.

Anonymous said...

If you take good looking used clothing to a consignment shop, they will sell it for you, and take a percentage of the price that it sells for. They have a location to display the clothing and people can come and browse through and buy things cheaper than going to the mall, for instance. They usually have a time limit, like 3 months that they will hold onto it for you. If a month goes by, they mark it down a certain percentage, etc..until lthe time is up. If you want to go reclaim it at the end of the time, you can. The longer it sits in the resale shop, the lower the price goes. But it's usually a win-win for all involved. The shop gets a share, the owner of the clothing gets something back instead of just throwing it away or giving it away; and the shopper gets a good item at a reduced price.

my9cats said...

To Anonymous
1:57PM

What amazes me is that the information on KON is out there, but the big guns refuse to do the research us "average" bloggers do. Helllooooo Sponsors...It's not that hard. If we can do it so can you!

Anonymous said...

I certainly don't think that their house will sell for a higher amount because it belonged to the Gosselins.
The real estate company probably purchased it and will unload it themselves.
With the real estate market sinking terribly, no one would willingly pay a higher amount just because the Gosselins used to live there and I'm sure with all of those kids racing around, there are many cosmetic repairs needed!

Anonymous said...

Yeah...I saw that on 700 Club.
Now Mady's a prophet, I guess!
I HIGHLY doubt that when she was sooooooo disappointed that she wasn't pregnant yet, she didn't speak a word of it.....and Mady just "knew".
She had probably been talking up the baby idea for months and sobbing for weeks on end whenever it didn't work.
She lies.

ThreePumpkins said...

I honestly believe that a significant part of the Christian community will always be staunch supporters of J&K no matter what truths come to light. That is due to the fact (the only fact many Christians care about -- understandably so) that J&K did not selectively reduce.

I'm sure there are people who don't care if they are no longer "in need" but who would give them Love Offerings anyway on the selective reduction issue alone.

Anonymous said...

I remember awhile back when Kate said that Beth was like a second mother to the children. Those kids loved Beth. What does Kate say now when the children ask "Where's Beth?" How very sad for all of them.

michelle said...

three pumpkins,

I am a Christian woman and I do not support the exploitation of these children through the show and I do feel that they are having to carry a weight that they should not have to be doing, by essentially "supporting" the family.

We all know, if it was not for the tups and twins, there would be no show, which is what has been bringing in the income for the family. And because of the show, they are able to go out and give speeches or talks (for a guess a fee, do we know this for sure that they charge money?), and all of the free "perks" and trips, etc.

Bottom line is, while being a Christian, and feeling that they did make the right choice, IMO, in not reducing. They are not making the "right" or "best" choices now in exposing the children as they are doing.

Pinkdiamond611 said...

I am not worried about Beth. I am sure she signed a contract to write the book. Whatever is in the contract with the publisher is enforceable. Since the premise of J&K's saga is that they are all alone, not even Momma is in their lives, then having Beth at the book signings somehow makes God providing less profound. It is not about Jon&Kate&Beth ;-) Personally I am more worried about Mady and Cara than anyone else in the family. Those two never seem happy.

ThreePumpkins said...

I am a Christian woman and I do not support the exploitation of these children through the show and I do feel that they are having to carry a weight that they should not have to be doing, by essentially "supporting" the family.

We all know, if it was not for the tups and twins, there would be no show, which is what has been bringing in the income for the family. And because of the show, they are able to go out and give speeches or talks (for a guess a fee, do we know this for sure that they charge money?), and all of the free "perks" and trips, etc.

Bottom line is, while being a Christian, and feeling that they did make the right choice, IMO, in not reducing. They are not making the "right" or "best" choices now in exposing the children as they are doing.


Michelle,

Your point is well taken. As I said, I don't think all Christians (as I am one) will support J&K no matter what, however, I still contend that there is a significant number of Christians who are so strongly opposed to selective reduction, that they will continue to support the Gosselins on that issue alone.

It's a sensitive issue and there is no way a blanket statement will cover everyone's beliefs.

michelle said...

I agree, threepumkins. ( :

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
IUI ( intra-uterine insemination) is what Kate used, she also used ovulation induction medications, but they used jon's sperm. This would have cost them about $2,000, per cycle.

My husband and I went through fertility around the same time as Kon and we also live in PA, so I'm assuming that the costs of the treatment would be similar...
Our health insurance covered the every other day ultrasounds and bloodwork. Yet, during a cycle, we spent nearly $3000 on medications (injections) alone -- non of which was covered by insurance. We also had to pay $500 out-of-pocket for the actual IUI.

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Wow, the price really ranges from state to state, and I am guessing what hospital/clinic you go to.
I used a hospital that was a Mayo Clinic Affiliate. I used Clomid, HCG trigger. The clomid cost me a little over 100$ and the trigger was about 80$. The IUI istself cost me just under a grand ( if i recall it was about $800) Then I moved onto the Mayo Clinic itself, as nothing worked. IUI cost about $1,500, the meds were about $700, and i think we did pay for an extra ultrasound. They "sell" it as a package deal for just under $1,500, without meds. Then if you need more than the alloted US, Labwork they add it to your bill. So i averaged it for about $2,000. I HAVE heard in the past though that Mayo does get wonderful rates because they serve so many people thru the Main Clinics and all their affiliates, I guess this may have been the case here. I also think you spend less when you see a RE at a Hospital, then going to a Fertility Clinic, but im not sure. Just wanted to clear up any misconceptions in case anyone things my pp wasnt credible. Sorry you paid that much.. hope you had better luck than me!!

Anonymous said...

On the CBN website, Kate is quoted as saying "I wanted three children, Jon wanted two. Neither of us won".

"OMG, did this woman just say that having the sextuplets was "not" winning?

Kate, you have healthy children. You have won the lottery ! Someday those kids will be old enough to read on their own what their mother said about them !"

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Doesn't surprise me! I've often thought that Kate would probably think Cara+Hannie+Leah would be the "Perfect Family". Three kids! She picks and chooses her friends and family in every other way she possibly can.

wendimail said...

It appears that J&K think God is some kind of cosmic cash machine. They are stupid as well as delusional.

Anonymous said...

what do you expect, birds of a feather stick together