Is There A Method To The Madness?

As I sat here and read the latest articles here I think I had an epiphany. What if Jon and Kate are doing everything deliberately? Meaning drawing bad publicity to themselves intentionally. The show had been on for about 2 1/2 years and ratings were staring to dwindle. Then they start to stir up controversy by being talked about by tabloid magazines, bloggers, and whoever else just to get their name out there. Look what happened...Ratings picked up, more episodes are being added to seasons and there are several other shows popping up just like them. (Duggars- 17 and Counting, Bailey Multiples, Harris' Then Came Six.)

Since the bad publicity started they have gotten more freebies then ever. Trips to Hawaii, Disneyland, and more product placement. If there were as many letters going out to such places as Regis and Kelly as people say they are sending then I don't understand why they continue to let them on the show. Oh I know...it is because they probably sky rocketed in the ratings for that show. Nice. Im thinking Jon and Kate really pulled the sheet over our eyes this time. I for one and totally done with this show, no more Youtube videos, Gosselin website. NOTHING. This show no longer exists for me.

Submitted by Kittie

68 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is all possible -- but it is still an indication that the show has jumped the shark.
So....there isn't much future to the show now.
All of these attempts seem desperate.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Jon & Kate are intelligent enough to make such a plan. I also don't think they need help looking ridiculous and foolish; they do it all on on their own. I truly think Kate (and perhaps Jon) believes she IS a star and is entitled to the lifestyle she has come to cherish. Jon & Kate's false sense of entitlement, greed that knows no bounds, and determination to hang on by their claws to the TLC money wagon will be their own undoing. The focus going forward needs to be to continue to do what can be done to protect the children by making sure the truth is told.

Anonymous said...

Kittie, I think this is a little far fetched. "Hey Jon, let's start treating our kids even worse than we did before and we'll make more money!" "Hey Kate, hit me harder next time." "Let's pretend we think that everything organic is healthy too." "In fact, let's just pretend we're complete idiots for all the world to see." I'm not buying it.

Lauragirl said...

Ya, we are basically one of the very reasons the Gosselin train is chugging along faster than ever. Figure 8 loves this kind of website ... controversy, however bad - is good for business. We have, and will always have ABSOLUTELY no effect on what happens in terms of the show. However we feel about he kids being victims, however we feel about the lies told, and however we feel about many of the other concerns mentioned. Actually, WE are making it worse (or for them, better). That's the hard truth of the matter. They LOVE us ... we are the fuel that feeds the fire. Sad ... but true.

AmandaT said...

I agree in that I do not believe they are smart enough to come up with a plan. Although, I am sure that they do love these sites because it gives them all of the info of a focus group without having to actually gather one and ask questions. I mean, this site practically writes for the show and their website.
Personally, I refuse to visit their site. I also refuse to watch anything on TLC anymore. I used to watch the show so I knew which sponsors to boycott, but I thankfully am linked with that info on here. I am very hopeful that this controversy will beget child protection for all children forced onto reality tv.

Anonymous said...

Julie has a new post up...a recap of the last several months. She states that Kate doesn't "do" relationships. She uses people for what they can do for her. When the person is no longer useful to her she drops the person. See Beth, Jodi, and her entire family.

My question: Do you think that Kate will ostracize her children in the years to come? Right now the children are "useful" to her as they are part of he family business, a la von Trapp family. But, if this show continues and one of the children starts to get out of line, do you suppose that the child would be out of the family business?

Maggie said...

I think it is possible, but maybe not conscious effort on their part. It is like a little child who gets more attention for throwing a tantrum than he does by being well behaved. He or she will keep throwing tantrums until the punishment is worse than the attention.

Anonymous said...

I agree with some of what you are saying for me all I can do is keep emailing and calling the places where they are going to speak and speak my mind, my thoughts and try to get this crazy show to stop. Somebody has to be a voice for these kids as the parents arent.

westmemphisgirl said...

This is the only (except for an occasional "Musing from the Moon) blog that I read concerning them. I don't even look at their "ads" in the paper. I don't click on anything related to them. I'm tired of it. I feel bad for the kids, but then again, I feel bad for lots of kids who don't get taken care of properly. I guess you guys have really opened my eyes to different kinds of "abuse". Kate will never change and all the negative pub. only strenthens her resolve. The only way to change things is to just simply not watch and it will eventually happen. I have quit shopping at Gymboree, Old Navy and BR. Ann Taylor, who's clothes I love, is now crossed off my list. No more Regis and Kelly, Oprah or Amazon. We need to all remember to everyone of these "sponsor of exploitaion" there are smaller companies who would love our business in our areas. Instead of the P&G use your store brands. Kroger, Publix, Ingles...etc. Instead of the Gymboree, Old Navy and such, choose Walmart. (after all Kate hates walmart clothing)
Don't use the vacation place in Utah and take the kids to Busch Gardens, instead of Disney. It's overhyped anyway. Tune TLC out with TIVO or just delete it from your channel list to avoid the tempation to watch the "wreck". Stick to your guns, send out emails to your friends asking them to do the same and just "forget about em') I do believe it's the only way.
Does anyone have anymore suggestions about not using the sponsors. Please let me know. I trust you guys and will mark them off my list too.
Thanks Gurls.

Anonymous said...

Well, she'll certainly ostracize the boys, once they are grown!

Anonymous said...

Don't believe for a moment that Kate is in charge. She is a low-educated hick, and the people behind the show (producers but mostly TLC) are savvy and know exactly how to work her. They can easily make her think she's calling the shots when in fact she isn't calling any of the important ones. TLC is making money 100:1 from ads over what it costs them to make the show. Most of what J&K are "making" are promotional freebies, and those don't come out of TLC's pocket. Oprah, Dr. Phil, People, Regis & Kelly do not go around soliciting guests. They don't need to. The publicists for the guests are in line on their knees trying to convince the producers of those star-making shows that the appearance of their client (eg J&K) will increase viewership and thus advertising revenues. If TLC and/or Figure-8 is in fact building J&K an 8000 sq. ft. house/studio, that is clear proof that they feel there is still gobs of money to be made on the show. Watch for a full line of merchandise eventually, just like with Miley Cyrus. J&K and the kids are a commodity, a brand, a marketable product. That is so because in the general population, there are scads of people who adore the Gosselin kids and at worst, think Jon and Kate are buffoons. The anti-J&K blogs neither hurt nor help them to any measurable degree. They aren't even a blip on their radar. And by "their" I don't mean Jon and Kate personally, I mean the money machine behind the show.

Anonymous said...

Nah, no way those two are smart enough to pull that off.

Anonymous said...

The Gosselins are all over the TV. Last week, Live with Regis and Kelly. Monday is their regular show, and then on the October 10 show of "Say Yes to the Dress" on TLC, Kate will try on a gown for the renewal ceremony in Hawaii.

Anonymous said...

"What if Jon and Kate are doing everything deliberately? Meaning drawing bad publicity to themselves intentionally."
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I believe this is referred to as "guerilla marketing" in PR world. KON and their frighteningly double digit IQ's are way too dumb to even know what this is - but maybe Miss Julie at Media Motion thought it up. Julie is just as slimy and vile as KON - the only difference, I suspect, is that maybe her IQ is pushing 100.

scaryskiernewjersey said...

Negative attention is better than no attention at all! Jon and Kate subscribe to this and we can see that the kids do as well. All the booping on the head, the whining etc etc. With the exception of "the little mother" Hannah, I see very little positive attention. If Kate does give praise, she says something negative in the very next sentence. I know the Hayes family here in New Jersey and their house may be a disorganized and a unscheduled, but there is a lot of laughter and love in that household and they have 10 children. Two sets of twins and sextuplets.

Dew said...

If anything I certainly think Figure 8 is aware of the controversy and is running with it. Perhaps they are putting this family is situations that bring out the worst in Kate. They may ask her questions on the couch to get her to say eyebrow raising things. And they may edit together all the worst of the worst footage. And I think it's entirely possible Kate and Jon are exaggerating their personalities, maybe even subconsciously. I don't think it can be ruled out. Bottom line this couple is so very sick for continuing to use their children like this, fake or not. In a recent article Kate says she goes to the spa every month. I hope she thanks her little ones when she gets home for giving her the means to do that. Before the show it was Quaker oatmeal masks and 99 cent emory boards from Walgreens.

Anonymous said...

Kittie, I think this is a little far fetched. "Hey Jon, let's start treating our kids even worse than we did before and we'll make more money!" "Hey Kate, hit me harder next time." "Let's pretend we think that everything organic is healthy too." "In fact, let's just pretend we're complete idiots for all the world to see." I'm not buying it.


Really? I think Kate is very smart and very capable at getting what she wants. I don't think they treat the kids horribly but, they certainly have their share of bad parenting moments. That said, I think it's interesting that the worse they behave, the more they get. I wouldn't be surprised to hear, ha, we got you! We pretended to be more rotten weekly just to get free things and lavish trips. TLC could be helping them with it actually.

Bugsy said...

I think they have a plan, I can see them laying awake at night and talking about how they can keep the train a chugin' along.

DasMaedchen said...

Oh, I think they are far too stupid to have things planned. As a matter of fact, I think they are far too stupid, impulsive, and spoiled to plan ANYTHING or put thought into anything they do.

The two of them combined have a lower I.Q. than any one of their eight children...

Anonymous said...

It does sometimes seem like we are swimming upstream, but gotta keep on trying. When the latest P and G promo featuring Kate came out, I had to cross several products I like very much and regularly purchase off my shopping list. I will no longer watch TLC and will boycott all media and sponsors who promote this trainwreck. I will not do one thing to contribute to Kon building their empire on the backs of their kids. I will tell others the truth about Kon at every opportunity. We have to raise our voices and do what we can or we are complicit in the exploitation of the children, IMO.

Christian_N_Daniel_Mommy said...

The fact that they are so obviously dishing out helping upon helping of damage control every week is proof enough that they are not intentionally looking like idiots and bad parents on national television. Kate seems to think that the quantity of children alone makes you a great parent. I highly disagree. It is the QUALITY of your parenting towards your children (no matter how many) that deems you a good and fit parent. She is oblivious to this fact. She wants viewers to "sympathize" with her and the majority of the viewers do because "Wow... eight kids, that's crazy... I'd be going nuts and yelling all the time too." No you wouldn't... if you intentionally brought 8 children into this world calling then calling your situation a "nightmare" then yes... you would be screaming and stressed all the time because you REGRET your decision. But if you bring a loved child or loved children into the world, sacrifice your freakin' spa days to spend quality time with them and see them as blessings then no, you would not always be an unhappy wretch as Kate Gosselin is. Plain and simple - she knows she made a mistake for going to IUI the 2nd time around (probably without even trying the natural way first and just assuming she was infertile because she had a "feeling from the beginning" that she was) and its only now - only after 3 years of being on air and getting millions of freebies and pocketing some serious $$$ off their children's backs she can now say that "If I had to go back and do it all over again, I would... It took me a while to say that but now I can say that."
Kate Gosselin go screw yourself. You weren't happy at first with your beautiful sextuplets because you didn't have a top rated national television show to pay for your selfish lifestyle and now you do... that is the ONLY reason she is (semi)happy now.
You do not know the meaning of LOVE Kate Gosselin. You do not LOVE your husband and you certainly do not LOVE you children as you're not even concerned about their future.
You should be hanging your head in shame and kicking yourself right now.

Mom on the Run said...

Here's a link to the cookie magazine post. The Q&A seems a bit dated to me...perhaps an old interview? Sorry, don't know how to do links.

http://www.celebritybabyscoop.com/?p=14964

Anonymous said...

I agree with others who said that the "method to their madness" is the network and the show's producers. Jon and Kate are like two puppets now who are so blinded by the prospect of money that they will do just about anything to make more of it. TLC and the show's producers are riding this one to the top as well. Nowhere in this whole equation are the children. How sad. I keep saying it but I really believe people should boycott the show and just stop watching it all together. It's really one of the only ways we, as witnesses to this craziness, can help those kids...

Bicoastal said...

The six kids are the "hook" in the Gosselin's scheme.

And the kids, bless their hearts, are just not so cute anymore. (And please spare me the all-children-are-cute b.s. because it's simply not true.)


Figure 8 knows it; TLC knows it and KON know it.

I think I read somewhere here on GWOP that the parents talked about adoption? Adopting a baby to extend TV fame? If Figure 8 and TLC go along with such an inappropriate hoax, they (TLC) should be investigated by the FCC.

Way over the bounds of good taste. Are the parents that twisted?

Christian_N_Daniel_Mommy said...

I believe the whole adoption talk is so ludicrous! J&K constantly talk about how "screwed up" their lives are because of the amount of children they have and they want another one to add to the mix? Who are they really thinking about here? Certainly not the twins and tups - they are thinking of only themselves and feeling some selfish "need" to know what its like to have one child. It's absolutely ridiculous that they are considering bringing a poor child that didn't ask for this type of torture and exploitation into their home.
NEWSFLASH KON: You've hardly achieved BRANGELINA-grade stardom so quit thinking about adopting and for God sakes, quit globe trotting like they do.

Anonymous said...

I don't think J&K are trying to look bad - they do a fine job of that naturally, without even breaking a sweat. And I do believe all the controversy helps with the ratings, for sure.

I hate to say it, because I think they've had more than their 15 minutes of fame (or is it infamy?), but you guys can boycott all the TLC shows, and all the sponsors, and all the talk shows and magazines and websites that feature the family ad infinitum, and it isn't going to make a snowball in hell's difference in the long run. I guarantee you that those emails and letters are going directly into the circular file. A few dozen, or even a few hundred of those letters aren't even a blip on the radar for a show that has 49 quintillion viewers every week. The show will run its course. Eventually the public will become sated with the Gosselins and move on to something else. Then, and only then, the show will end. That's just how it goes.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the adoption, I think they want another because the kids are growing up. The tups will be going to school soon. When will they film them? They won't be home all day. The crews need to film something. Or God forbid, Kate will decide to home school the kids. That will give the cameras plenty of time to film.

Anonymous said...

Just curious about this...

In PA and maybe other states, preemies weighing less than 2 lbs 10 oz at birth automatically qualify for SSI payments thru the government at a maximum of 675.00 a month (not sure if it's lifelong or until 18). 2 of the tups were under 2 lbs 10 oz. at birth (Aaden and Joel). And not that is qualifies them as loaded or anything, but them saying they had nothing, no income in the beginning (re People), is a sack of crap. #1 was Kate being on bedrest. An RN on bedrest = disability (short or long term) so there was some sort of funds there in lieu of Jon losing his job while she was on bedrest. Then afterward, and while she was bound to still be collecting disability of some sort, they qualified to collect for Aaden and Joel. That makes three checks a month. When you are living in your father's condo for free, then collecting what's safe to assume roughly 2k a month for approximately 2 people (let's not forget Kate's mother was feeding Cara and Mady then), though it does not qualify you as rich, you certainly are not destitue. And maybe that's why Jon ultimately decided to quit his 'lost job' back then? Because they pulled in the equivelant of his income thru SSI payments?

I think it should be looked into further. Maybe it's at least worth a phone call or two to People to see if anyone checked the background of these two con artists before they decided to print what undoubtedly reads to be a mix of damage control and controversey.

Ravello said...

When the first specials were filmed, Kate came across halfway likeable and seemed like a loving mother. The filming schedule was very limited. I think Kate was able to sanitize her shrewish behavior.

Then the greed kicked into overdrive. They began filming 30, 40, 50 episodes a season.
She can no longer edit or sanitize herself. And we have seen abysmal mothering from Kate in furniture buying, Joelgate, Gumgate, Cupcake gate, etc. Ordinary viewers became outraged and concerned about these kids.
The exploitation issues surfaced, blogging went through the roof.

TLC recognizes the controversial footage and airs it. They want to spark discussion, debate so that viewership will increase.
More and more people tune in to see what the fuss is about.

However, the tide turned against the KONS faster than TLC could control their image. A PR firm was hired to re-invent them with damage control, both on the show and on their web site.

Anonymous said...

In PA and maybe other states, preemies weighing less than 2 lbs 10 oz at birth automatically qualify for SSI payments thru the government at a maximum of 675.00 a month (not sure if it's lifelong or until 18). 2 of the tups were under 2 lbs 10 oz. at birth (Aaden and Joel).

First, SSI is a federal program so the basic rules are the same in each state. The parents must apply and there is no back pay provision prior to the time of application. While premature infants are in the hospital the payment goes to the hospital except for a small amount for incidentals. This is because the child is in the care of the hospital.

Once the child or children are home, the income provision kicks in and the child or children would have their benefit if any computed based on the families income and resources. The children are subject to regular evaluation and are only eligible for benefits while or if their development lags the norm for their adjust age.

Anonymous said...

I know it's been said before by other people, but I feel the need to post.
The thing that irks me the most is how Kate feels that she deserves this. Sure, from time to time we can all say, you know what! I deserve this! If Kate had one spa day a year I'd be giving her a thumbs up, go for it. Have a nice day, seriously you earned it.
But she didn't..and never has. Her volunteers on the other hand from the beginning, before they were famous..even the volunteers when it was just the twins (from what I read they needed them then too..but it could just be a rumor)
She feels entitled to what she's getting because she popped out a lot of kids.
Maybe if she was the first and only in history to have lots of children, but honestly only until recently did people only start having one or two children.
I don't know about the rest of you folks, but most of your parents, or grandparents had 6 brothers and sisters all about a year (or less) apart. Having children doesn't make you something that needs to be noticed by the public eye, and be praised just cause you pushed out or adopted a child.
Having children means you need to be the light in your child(rens) life...not you being the light in everyone else.

And who else finds it so silly on the videos about before they had kids how ridiculous she looked. Talking in a baby voice (I'm sorry, I don't even let my 7 year old talk in a baby voice let alone someone in their 20's) The camera was always on her and she always ran at the camera like it was a movie. I can just picture her and Jon at Disneyland (before kids)
"Ok hunny, you wait here and you're going to focus on me. i'm going to wave and run at the camera!TeeHee giggle giggle blah blahblah"

I get so annoyed when I see that because I see her now and it's like...your kids are going to think that you made them miserable (well they sort of did, but holy crap she makes it obvious...and it's not the kids fault)
The kids are going to lash out one of these days and the People Magazine articles aren't going to be so pleasant when they're going to be covering Lindsay Lohan type articles about Alexis Gosselin or Collin or Joel. Maybe all of them...except for the runs who run away asap.

I don't know. I'm sure that there is a good side to Kate and Jon, I just see flakey flake flake. If I ever see them in real life and I get within ear shot I'm going to say ''ugh, it's them.Lets go away before they charge us 20 dollars for a photo"

Anonymous said...

This past week, so much has been said about the Gosselins, most of it negative. Blogs are popping up almost everyday. The truths are coming out about jon and kate hourly so my questions is...Will it make a difference. Will something be done about it. What do you all think.

A&A's Mommy said...

To comment on the adoption issue; Kate told Kelly on the show last week that she didn't want another kid - she wanted a baby.... Babies grow up quickly and what will she do then? Send it back?

Anonymous said...

What does Kate thing moving to a different state is going to fix? Does she think the 'negative critisism' only comes from people in PA? Does she think that people in a different state won't recognize her?

I also think that, you know how Kate's been known to admit/show disdain for anyone who approaches her in public? I am no therapist but I think she is very very jealous of those kids. The questions stem around the children, not her. And according to People magazine's article, she gets annoyed by the public asking if they are identical? Give me a break!

I think the Mathias identical quads are MUCH more interesting, down to Earth, and realistic. If Figure 8 wants me as a viewer they should show REAL families like that!

Anonymous said...

I want to see the truth to make a difference, but as long as there is the gaggle of stay-at-home sheeple moms (not saying all stay-at-homes) who worship Kate Gosselin, run out to buy Juicy Juice just because "She" does it, and keep on their little reality blinders because they've invested so much time inventing their little Kate fantasies, this crap will go on.

For everyone else, negative publicity brings morbid curiosity: who doesn't love to watch a train wreck?

Anonymous said...

The marriage will end right while they are doing the show.
Just like Hulk Hogan's family.

Anonymous said...

She's adopting a baby because she wants to know what one feels like.

How-selfish-is-that.

Here's an idea. Take one of your kids for 2 weeks, just one. Pick any one you want, you have eight. Go and have the feeling of what it's to have one kid, you'll probably get bored because you're so used to having a lot. I don't think she wants to know what it's like to have one kid, I personally think she likes the baby stage.

When it turns four, be ready Korea to take it back!

Anonymous said...

"I don't know. I'm sure that there is a good side to Kate and Jon, I just see flakey flake flake."
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No, I don't think there is a good side to KON. Their "good side," if they ever had one, went bye-bye when they sold their souls to the devil.

J said...

I've stopped watching TLC/Discovery Health.

Why? Because all of these shows--"Little People, Big World", "Autism X6", "The Duggars", and other shows in this genre are little more than modern day freak shows.

60-70 years ago these people would have been part of a traveling circus.

These shows are thinly-veiled freak shows under the guise of "family entertainment".

Anonymous said...

What does renewing wedding vows have to do with raising sextupluets and twins?

What does getting your teeth whitened have to do with raising sextuplets and twins?

How does getting hair plugs even relate to raising sextuplets and twins?

Anyone else out there wondering why these episodes were even ever considered???

Anonymous said...

"Anyone else out there wondering why these episodes were even ever considered???"

I am wondering when TLC will feature an episode of J & K + 8 and what it's REALLY like raising sextuplets and twins. Not an all expense paid contrived made for tv scenerios featuring precisely timed voice overs, accurately placed product promotion and phoney couch narration.

Anonymous said...

Amen Sister, Pay that poor family.

Anonymous said...

OmGosh... That Poor Dog!! And I am so glad they got to get a reward for performing. Just like little monkeys.

Dew said...

Not only is adopting a new baby selfish in terms of it would be awful to bring another child into this madness, but how about the other eight children? Even if they had all day long to devote to them, after taking care of everything else that's probably only a few minutes of undivided time a child. Maybe that's enough to have a somewhat normal childhood, but now we make it nine children and even LESS time for all of them??? And also TLC needs to think about how this will mess up the title. Jon and Kate Plus 8 Plus 1? Jon and Kate Plus 8 and here's Cousin Oliver? Someone tell marketing, I bet they will be livid.

Alicia said...

I think anyone placed in the same situation would have put their kids on tv. Simply from a financial perspective raising 8 kids today would be daunting. Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the truth! They are more interesting than the Duggars because their are too many Duggars to try and keep straight. This family is cute and entertaining.

Anonymous said...

This family is cute and entertaining.

The father is a lazy, immature, unemployed slacker and the mother is a petty, narcissistic diva, and together they put their little children on public display for their own material gain. One 8 yr old throws crying fits in almost every episode. The other 8 yr old wears long dragon-lady fingernails and an emotionless catatonic facial expression until she has a meltdown. The 6 little kids run around like wild animals, hitting each other and crying, and at past four they talk like 2 yr olds. I must be missing something because I guess we just have different definitions of "cute" and "entertaining".

Anonymous said...

I think anyone placed in the same situation would have put their kids on tv. Simply from a financial perspective raising 8 kids today would be daunting. Anyone who says otherwise is not telling the truth! They are more interesting than the Duggars because their are too many Duggars to try and keep straight. This family is cute and entertaining.

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Hi Kate - nice hair.

Anonymous said...

Wow, Anonymous hit the nail on the head when she/he said that Jon is a"lazy, immature, unemployed slacker," and Kate is a "petty, narcissistic diva." The whole post was right on. Sorry, I do not know how to copy it.

I agree also that the tups'poor speech development is very worrisome. Don't they ever read to these children? Correct their speech? Oh.sorry. that would mean talking and listening to the kids. And what is it with the continual crying, pouting, hitting and screaming? Shouldn't they have outgrown some of that by now? Has anyone noticed how easily these tups run to and hug people who are almost perfect strangers?(people working on the GH shoot) Do these parents need
to be told that these behaviors are not normal?

Anonymous said...

i have said it over and over again, bad publicity is still publicity and TLC/Figure 8 is loving every minute each blogger takes to discuss the show....they know that GWOP peaks curiosity and open people's eyes who then go and "check out the show" the ratings climb, the sponsors clamor and the cash flows - shut down this blog - corporate America doesn't give a rat's ass about these kids - IMHO

Christian_N_Daniel_Mommy said...

I think anyone placed in the same situation would have put their kids on tv. Simply from a financial perspective raising 8 kids today would be daunting.
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Um... nope. Not me. There would be no way that I would put my children on national t.v. to help make MY life easier while destroying their lives. If it were me I would be pushing my husband to find a better job... he might even have to work 2-3 jobs but that's OK cause that is what you do to take care of your family. Children need to learn that good things come from hard work and sacrifice and it helps them to see that so they can appreciate the things that they do have and the quality time that they spend with their parents.
As soon as my kids were in school I'd also go back to work to help out and start saving if possible.
So you would exploit your children for monetary gain? I sincerely hope that you are not a parent.

Brandi K. said...

I am a parent and my daughter Ashleigh loves to compete in her pagents. I did not push her into competition! Some kids just like the spotlight! It helps with her leadership and social skills and that pagent extra money really helps in this economy! She is not a diva but I might look at getting her some dragon lady nails for the east texas pageant! I read an article that said spray tan can give you much needed vitamins and she loves it!

Anonymous said...

Well said, anon 9:02.

Here's another thing Kate doesn't do (as in Kate doesn't do mornings, Kate doesn't do bathing the kids, etc.)

Kate doesn't dance.

Anonymous said...

I see pageants like any ther activity, soccor, dance, etc. If it's what YOUR CHILD wants to do, go for it! I feel the same with having a TV show, it has to be what the kids want, not what you want.

What's with all the bashing of Cara's nails, she has nice nails. It's just something at that age where they want to get into beauty a little. I did the same at 7/8, I outgrew it. She'll probably get to nine and realize they're a pain in the butt!

I can't this Mady-bashing, she's one smart cookie fed up with her current situation. Look past the whining.

Anonymous said...

In response to: Christian_N_Daniel_Mommy said...
I think anyone placed in the same situation would have put their kids on tv. Simply from a financial perspective raising 8 kids today would be daunting.

Scamming the public and community tax payers, agreeing to do a reality tv show, exploiting your children, and using one's religion as a means to an ultimate end, IMO is/are not responsible, moral, and reasonable solutions to that of raising a large family. Raising a family in today's dwindling ecomony, whether it be a family of 3 or a family of 10 is a daunting task in and of itself. The means by which J & K have procured their financial means cannot be excused simply based on the fact that they are parents of 8 children. The issue at hand is, J & K did not simply 'put their kids on tv". They have exploited every aspect of their children's lives to fulfill their own hedonistic, greed induced, narcisstic fueled egos !! I will agree that raising a large family, even a family of two sets of multiples is a daunting task, however, I dont see where numerous resort vacations and vanity procedures,personal trainers, trips to amusement parks, designer wedding gowns, product placement, selling your children's photo for $20, etc within a four year time span fits in to the equation.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if they claim all the free stuff they get to the IRS, actors now have to sign for all the freebee's at the award shows. As well I encourage all to send an email to Figure 8 fiims-contact Jen Stock who produces the show

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Anonymous said...
What's with all the bashing of Cara's nails, she has nice nails. It's just something at that age where they want to get into beauty a little. I did the same at 7/8, I outgrew it. She'll probably get to nine and realize they're a pain in the butt!

I can't this Mady-bashing, she's one smart cookie fed up with her current situation. Look past the whining.


On a 7/8 year old, nails a little bit past the fingertips with some clear or light-pink polish is "getting into beauty a little". Nails like Cara's that are all different lengths up to what looks like an inch, are not beautiful but they are dangerous and too "adult" (for lack of a better word). It isn't Cara's fault, it's her Mom's, for not caring enough to supervise and help her daughter to have pretty nails instead of leaving it up to her y/8 year old judgment.

And likewise with Mady, nobody is bashing her. At 7/8 she should be allowed to be a normal child with a normal life, not psychologically forced into becoming a "smart cookie" because she's fed up with being forced to live her life on display for the world.

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On a 7/8 year old, nails a little bit past the fingertips with some clear or light-pink polish is "getting into beauty a little". Nails like Cara's that are all different lengths up to what looks like an inch, are not beautiful but they are dangerous and too "adult" (for lack of a better word). It isn't Cara's fault, it's her Mom's,

The episode I watched last night, I noticed Kate's nails were also all different lengths. You'd think she could wrangle freebie mani-pedis for her and Cara. But then look at Kate's haircut. She may be raking in the bucks now, but her taste is still back in the trailer park, and my guess is the producers want them to have that look so the show will appeal to the same audience that watches Jerry Springer. No other audience is going to watch this show and not see through the sham, or what it's doing to those kids' lives.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree that she should be allowed a normal childhood, but people have been calling her a whining brat.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree that she should be allowed a normal childhood, but people have been calling her a whining brat.

Very good point. I think it's extremely important that this blog not publish comments that are insensitive or hurtful about the Gosselin children. It's bad enough that Mady and Cara (if they are allowed access to the internet) or their schoolmates can read all the hateful things written about their parents. The girls might be sick to death of the show, but they probably still love their parents. But the twins don't need to think that people out there think badly of them . Even if you think Cara's nails are too grownup-length for her age, she doesn't know that because her parents are too pretending to be parents, to really be parents. And even if you think Mady is a whiny brat, you have to realize that she is how she is because she's 8 and reacting to a horrificly stifling situation one of the few ways an 8 year old can be expected to react. I think those two girls are amazing, wonderful and beautiful, and it breaks my heart that their parents are too busy trying to become celebrities to nurture them. Not that either Jon or Kate have what it takes and would nurture them even if the show wasn't there.

Anonymous said...

Mady is not a whiny brat. She is a stressed out, neglected, emotionally drained young child. Does she whine? Yes. But she is still a child. A direct product of her primary caregivers. And any fingers should be pointed in their direction as she cannot speak for herself and is in no way old enough to be responsible for her parents actions. I see her tantrums as a way of speaking out against this charade of a show. It's the only way she can.

As for the poster who said this family is entertaining a fun to watch, maybe. If you were just released from solitary confinement in Gitmo it would be.

I watched a rerun the other morning, and something occurred to me. If you take away the 'happy music' strategically placed in the background (i.e. just like scary music sets the tone for horror movies), it is a very sad and disheartening show. The next time you all get a chance, watch it with the volume muted. You wil see what I am talking about.

AmandaT said...

During the hurricane, I went back to the East Coast with my son and went visiting. Hubby and I both work in emergency medicine, so I met up with one of our best friends the only chance I could - on his break at the ER. My son was super shy and clung to me for the first few minutes. My friend says, "why so shy? I taught your daddy how to change your diapers!" The nurse in the room with us said, "because he's normal! He's supposed to turn to mom for security in new situations."
On the ambulance and in the ER we are so used to children who are more affectionate with us than with their parents. We see a lot of abused and neglected kids. As mandated reporters, and people with an understanding of child development, we see an overly affectionate kid as a red flag. It's not normal, it's not a good thing for children to be so lovey with complete strangers. It's a sign that they are not getting their emotional needs met at home.

Also, spray tans do no impart needed vitamins.

Anonymous said...

"Mady is not a whiny brat. She is a stressed out, neglected, emotionally drained young child."

I agree she's stressed, but neglected? Are you kidding? She gets more attention than all the sextuplets combined!! I'm not going to rag on a seven year old, but to call her neglected is just ludicrous. And for the record, she's been having horrible tantrums since the show started a few years ago. She needs to be disciplined properly by her parents and dealt with, rather than sweeping her troubles under the rug and making excuses (which her parents continue to do).

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I agree she's stressed, but neglected? Are you kidding? She gets more attention than all the sextuplets combined!! I'm not going to rag on a seven year old, but to call her neglected is just ludicrous. And for the record, she's been having horrible tantrums since the show started a few years ago. She needs to be disciplined properly by her parents and dealt with,

It's obvious that Mady is very bright and perceptive. She needs challenge, stimulation, and recognition for her good qualities. She needs private, one-on-one time with someone who can give her all of the above. She obviously isn't getting it. Frustrated, she discovered that negative attention is better than none. And, being bright and perceptive, she discovered that tantrums are a quick way of getting it.

The last thing she needs is to be "disciplined", i.e. punished for her tantrums. What she needs is someone to let her talk their ear off who truly cares and listens and lets her know it. She needs positive reinforcement of her good behavior, and no reinforcement (vs negative reinforcement) of her tantrums. And she needs that urgently from her parents, not just a caregiver, or a teacher. Unfortunately, with her parents' limited intellectual capacity and preoccupation with themselves and the show, tragically it isn't likely to happen.

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Anonymous said...

I see pageants like any ther activity, soccor, dance, etc. If it's what YOUR CHILD wants to do, go for it! I feel the same with having a TV show, it has to be what the kids want, not what you want.


Sorry, they're kids, we're the adults. They may have very clear ideas of what they want, but lack the life experience, education, judgement, and self-restraint to make all their own choices safely and in their best interest. It's our job as parents and adults to use our resources to decide what is and is not appropriate at any given age, whether it's wearing makeup or growing long fingernails, or playing certain sports, or entering beauty pageants, or having a TV show. Our responsibility as parents is to use our better judgement to protect our kids. We have to set limits, and as much as they protest, deep down it makes them feel safe and secure.

Anonymous said...

brandi k

I am a parent and my daughter Ashleigh loves to compete in her pagents. I did not push her into competition! Some kids just like the spotlight! It helps with her leadership and social skills and that pagent extra money really helps in this economy! She is not a diva but I might look at getting her some dragon lady nails for the east texas pageant! I read an article that said spray tan can give you much needed vitamins and she loves it!


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Are you for real? Also, you may want to ease up on the !!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

What Mady needs is a Grandma.

Anonymous said...

I've been thinking a lot about what life is like for the kids and how they seem to be isolated from anyone who is not directly invested in the show. Then I looked up "The Truman Show" which is frequently, though usually jokingly, referenced here. At least I thought we were kidding, until I read the article. Read it and see what sentences just jump out at you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Truman_Show

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

My heart always breaks when I watch the photo shoot re-run, and I hear Mady say, "I don't know what that is because I wasn't there," when the old family photo is unveiled.

The hurt in her voice was obvious. It was so tactless of all involved to create a moment of such fanfare that explicitly omitted Mady and Cara.

10/20/2008 6:59 PM


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Yes! You've got it. Another perfect example how Kate "loves the children equally" that picture moment was horrific.

It was so blatantly clear to Mady where she is in the family, non-existent.

I might add in here Kate's reaction to the picture was all about her, she didn't even acknowledge that Mady found it offensive. Mady was stung twice, the first being the choice of a "family" picture in front of their first home that excluded her and Cara, and the second time when Kate was so self-absorbed with "her" picture she didn't even ackowledge Mady's heartache.

I guess that's what you get from a narcissist.