Is or Was Jon a Decent Guy?

Some of you have stated that you think Jon is basically a decent guy who just happened to hook up with a termagant who snatched his pair away. I respectfully disagree. According to those who know Jon's history, he was a mama's boy, so it's likely he never had a pair. I think Katie made him feel he had a pair when she decided on him, and she played the ditz to get him. He must have felt soooo masculine until she got pregnant and let him know who was really in charge.

Some of you believe Jon is basically decent. I doubt that Jon ever was decent, ie, had ethics, because nothing had happened to him to make him face a decision requiring them. I think he had a thin veneer of amiability, but his parents separated when Jon was young. At that point, his mother babied him, and his father threw money at him without throwing in a little discipline or expecting a little responsibility. If Jon had fallen into the wrong crowd, he would have gone along with whatever they did. If, however, he got into trouble, I suspect he would have cried like a baby and want his mommy and daddy to get him out of the mess. Perhaps, in fact, Jon's dislike of Joel's whining is most likely based on déjà vu.

I certainly wouldn't have wanted to date him in college, which was fat chance anyway because he never went to college. You couldn't talk to him about anything because he doesn't know anything. The first time you had a meal together, you'd watch him wrap his arm around his plate, hunch over it and shovel in the food. That would do it because you'd realize this is not someone you can introduce to your friends.

I wouldn't have wanted him for a co-worker because he's unreliable, unmotivated and unintelligent. You'd end up doing his work and yours. His contribution to the company would be to inflate his entry-level, no-experience-required job into something suggesting at least middle management. Moreover, I suspect he's a pouter, and that's the worst flaw of all in a man.

Kon both have been insignificant until they got the tups. Katie was known for being a mean person and Jon for being a dunce. Until he met Katie he was a harmless dunce, but she dragged him down to her level of malice, and he's very happy there. We've seen him how he grabs the children, yanking them along, kicking at them in their plastic cars when they're in his way.

I believe Jon and Kate are a textbook example of folie à deux. Now they are somebody, and the worst traits of both of them are visible to all. Moreover, they're encouraged—these inconsequential life's losers—to believe they're actually worthwhile beings. Pfui!

Submitted by Quince.

51 comments:

Mimi said...

I agree with you, Quince. I think when push comes to shove the real Jon comes out.

He appears on the surface to be a nicer person than Kate but, if his posts on other blogs are to be believed, they are actually two of a kind.

Anonymous said...

"I believe Jon and Kate are a textbook example of folie à deux. Now they are somebody, and the worst traits of both of them are visible to all. Moreover, they're encouraged—these inconsequential life's losers—to believe they're actually worthwhile beings."
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Amen, Quince!!! You have summed up their dysfunction perfectly. It all makes total sense and confirms that Jon will not EVER leave that shrew.

jujubee said...

I think he always was an uninspired, unmotivated, wimpy, ready to be walked on spineless fraction of a man.

Ex-Bff said...

Worse still, Jon has a temper. I've seen it. I wouldn't want to be married to it. They've shown slivers of his temper on television, but from my experience, he saves it for Kate. She has called each of her successive "bff's" about it when he explodes. The hardest part, for everyone I've spoke with about this, is deciding how much is Jon and how much is Kate inflating the disputes for sympathy.

ThankYou said...

Perhaps one of his parents were a narcissist. Being raised this way would enable him to be attracted to and marry a narcissist. I believe there is a thing called inverted narcissism. Which is where he would be.
His good quality is his taking care of the physical and some mental well beings of his children.

Anonymous said...

Ex bff can you tell us more? The way Kate hounds Jon I am not surprised he has temper explosions with her but what is the severity?

Anonymous said...

ex-bff, I think you're right, you could see it during the TRU episode, she seemed like she knew she should change her tude, or he was going to go off on her later.

ThreeFarmers said...

I think Jon does know right from wrong but the urge to do the easy thing is much stronger than his urge to do the right thing. He uses the notion that he'll "do whatever it takes for his family" as a coverall for his and Kate's unethical schemes.

Chris said...

I can believe that Jon has a temper and that Jon was a whiner. I managed to read his posts on tripletconnection before he got the administrator to pull them. I felt like offering him some cheese to go along with the whine.

Anonymous said...

I think this is a very good summary of what has happened. I just can't believe Jon is so shallow to not see the impact their current lifestyle will have on their children. Who the heck is going to be the role model for these children in terms of work ethic???? The children are growing up thinking they just need to look good, travel, and hold their hand out for a freebie to get through life. Sad. Very sad indeed.

Anonymous said...

I was telling my husband yesterday, as I was watching TLC's "What Not to Wear" that each and every program shows them flying somone out to NY, for instance, handing each one a $5,000 credit card, and flying the hosts out to the person's home town. Add that up. That's just ONE program. TLC sure throws money around like nothing. Perhaps Kate pitched the family to TLC first.

elleroy said...

It seems to me that he is pretty close to Kate on the greed-o-meter. He's pretty vain. Remember how
important it was to him to wear "designer" jeans on
"Oprah"? The impression I get is that appearances
matter very much to him. Material things matter very much and his ME time (read: golf, personal trainer while someone else watches the boys) matters a great deal to him. He's quieter than Kate, but that isn't saying much.

Anonymous said...

I think that Jon is lazy and immature. I think he is weak when it comes to standing up to Kate. I don't think he is a total bad guy though. I believe that he is the saving grace for those kids in their day to day lives. From what it looks like on the show he is the only parent who actually plays with the kids and spends quality time with them. Most guys I know like Jon are not that engaged with their children on a regular basis.

Ravello said...

I love this thread because I have struggled with my feelings toward Jon. Initially I loved him, felt sorry for him, defended him long after I turned on Kate.

Then I read about his vicious behavior toward former insiders, bloggers and realized he was not what I hoped he was. And I was shocked by his ridicule of Joel.
Agree he is lazy, unmotivated and complacent.

He does seem to love his kids and is their primary caregiver, nurturer, source of love and affection. We have seen countless scenes of kids crying for their Daddy. When one of the girls was crying on Regis and Kelly, she went to Daddy for comfort, not Mom.

He seems to be the sole parent for the boys, especially Joel.
I just wish he would stop ridiculing them. I hope he reads this comment and takes it to heart.

I think Kate was the mastermind of the exploitation and Jon has happily gone along, letting his little cash cows support the family.
I have hope for Jon, I think he can mature, wise up and do better for his kids.
I have no hope for Kate.

Anonymous said...

Wow. That's kind of harsh. Now don't get me wrong - I'm not a J&K fan by any stretch of the imagination, but is all of that fact or merely supposition?

I agree that Jon has a temper: yanking kids around, yelling at them to shut up, snarking right back at Kate, etc. And he surely doesn't get a pass for being a money-grubbing, low ambition piece of work.

But in all fairness, I think we should give him extra credit for being the lone adult in that House O'Horrors that actually steps up and actually plays with the kids and tends to their physical needs. He bathes them, dresses them, puts them to bed, fixes their breakfast, meets Cara and Mady's school bus in the mornings and afternoons, and seems to, you know, really LIKE them. We have to give him credit for that.

Anonymous said...

I can see why Jon has a temper. You would have to, in order to deal with someone like Kate. I think that she eggs him on and baits him until he explodes. What a wonderful relationship. This man has really damaged his image by doing this show. He comes across as a bafoon. He is never going to be able to repair his image. ex-bff do tell more in regards to Jon's personally. I can not believe TLC is trying to protray this family as a wholesome family. That their family values are those that everyone should try to emulate. This show is probably going to go down as one of the best scams of the 21st century.

Anonymous said...

I think Jon is basically a good guy who hooked up with an absolute loon. Remember the Day in the Life episode, when he says he likes having the people (crew) there? I think that was him actually saying that having them there was better than it just being him stuck with Kate. I have seen a lot of the online postings attributed to him, and am sure some of them came from him, but also wonder how much goading from Kate sent him to the keyboard.
I also think the temper thing is letting things build up then blowing entirely out of proportion to the matter at hand when he does let it out.
I figure if he had done some more growing up, gotten some more of the loose and easy single life out of his system before marrying and having all those kids we would be seeing a much different Jon.

Anonymous said...

I definitely think Jon has a temper, a temper that TLC isn't showing the full extent of. That coupled with Kate's everflowing array of wonderful personality traits (not) & the sad fact of the 8 kids being thrust in the public eye from such a young age ~ Wow these two Parents of the Year should be turning out some wonderful members of society in about 10 years full of a weekly need to visit the psychiatrist's office for the rest of their lives from the damage these two parents have done to them and are doing to them daily.

ScarySkierNewJersey said...

I agree that Jon should have gotten his single life out of the way before marrying and having 8 kids. I would imagine Kate was the push to the quick engagement and marriage as we all know she was the push to have children right away. Jon and Kate needed far more alone time to get to know each other and mature as a couple before having 8 kids in less than 4 years. I also agree with the OP about the camera crew. Jon said he liked having them around and I am sure that they are a buffer between him and Kate to some extent, plus I would hope they talk to him as a peer and not some lap dog slave like Kate does. I love when she moans and groans about him "helping". My dear sweet hubby didn't do 85% of what Jon does. I was a stay at home mom for 3 kids in 5 years and I did the cooking, cleaning and child responsibilities. My hubby was out busting his hump 12 hours a day 6 days a week to allow me that priviledge. Although Jon does seem to do a lot with the kids he does come across lazy about actually "working" and that is not setting a good example for his kids. We have seen some flashes of temper, but I would love to see Jon level a complete verbal smackdown on Kate before the shows run is done.

Anonymous said...

I was telling my husband yesterday, as I was watching TLC's "What Not to Wear" that each and every program shows them flying somone out to NY, for instance, handing each one a $5,000 credit card, and flying the hosts out to the person's home town. Add that up. That's just ONE program. TLC sure throws money around like nothing. Perhaps Kate pitched the family to TLC first.

It's well known that networks love reality shows because they cost far, far, far less than scripted shows. It sounds like a bundle to us, but compared to what it costs to hire writers and pay real actors, what TLC spends on those shows is chump change.

BTW, on the original article, I think it's possibly the best-written and most spot-on account I've seen so far.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I think that Jon is lazy and immature. I think he is weak when it comes to standing up to Kate.

I do agree that Jon is 'weak', but not because he allows Kate to treat him like a child, belittles and demean his every action, He is weak because , as a man, he fails miserably in my book when it comes to 'manning up', ie. protecting the dignity and privacy of his family and 8 children. He is weak because he allowed exposure , greed, and $$$ to become a priority over preserving the innocense and privacy of his children. He is WEAK because he finds his strength sitting behind a keyboard responding to and eliminating the negative criticisms as if the public were not entitled to free speech and opinion. He is weak because he fails as a male role model for his sons. There is an appropriate Korean proverb, 'As the twig is bent so grows the tree'.

ThreeFarmers said...

I think that Jon is lazy and immature. I think he is weak when it comes to standing up to Kate. I don't think he is a total bad guy though. I believe that he is the saving grace for those kids in their day to day lives. From what it looks like on the show he is the only parent who actually plays with the kids and spends quality time with them. Most guys I know like Jon are not that engaged with their children on a regular basis.

To me, every time Jon allowed those cameras to film his children in the shower, on the potty, or in their undies makes Jon a bad guy.

Every time he took a charitable dollar from someone who wanted to help while they had thousands and thousands (I've heard HUNDREDS of thousands) in their bank account, makes him a bad guy.

Every time he threatens legal action against someone who is telling the truth makes him a bad guy.

Every time he used threatening or vulgar language against someone who is telling the truth makes him a bad guy.

There is plenty that Jon does that makes him a bad guy.

Anonymous said...

[Jon] seems to, you know, really LIKE them.

Amen for that observation because I've often thought it myself.

While I think his parenting skillz are a little whack in many areas, I think he's an uber parent when compared to Kate. We don't often see him doing the "OMG SO MANY KIDS MY BRAIN IS GOING TO FALL OUT OF MY HEAD WHATEVER SHALL I DO?!" routine that Kate indulges in. Whether that's editing or not, I think it speaks volumes that the children are often shown going to him for comfort and that they realise he's the one most likely to let them be kids and have some fun and not just conform to some schedule.

Yes, he really DOES seem to LIKE his children - unlike Kate who is more often than not shown be entirely put out by them. He seems to realise that parenting is give and take and that there is JOY to be had in a house full of kids. He sees that it's not all organizing and keeping things clean and all of those other lovely things that Kate puts so much emphasis on.

He should grow a pair, imho - but in the meantime I think it's to his credit that he takes on so much responsibility even if it is because he's badgered into it by Kate or needs to do it to keep the peace.

I suppose in that respect he IS doing whatever he can for his family because it seems like he's the one who more often than not is allowing them a slice of a proper childhood.

Now if only he would take that one step further and get them out of the horse and pony show...

Anonymous said...

Jon's just the lesser of the two evils.

Anonymous said...

Pro: he can handle a kid crapping in their "unawears" moments after same child was actually sitting on the potty, without completely spazzing out.

Con: the little boys are apparently counseled to refer to their genitalia as "weiner". Jon is also know to tell at least one son "you're a weiner", and I'm sure the boys make the connection. Referring to your pre-schooler as a slang term for penis? Would this fly on TLC if the chosen slang term was d!ck, pr!ck, c*ck. etc?

Anonymous said...

One day Kate, with her helmet hair and high heels, will run away with one of the guys who helped make them rich.
She will leave Jon and the kids behind to "have the better more peaceful life she so deserves after all of her hard work".
I do not think Jon would leave his kids.

Anonymous said...

Kate really does have a true attraction for Jon, always wanting him to kiss her, looking forward to bedtime :-)... etc. Here's a thought... Jon with his caveman approach to food may approach lovemaking with the same veracity... and I do think at one time these two could not keeep their hands off of each other. Now that is real and being 56 and having loved a few times in my life, not that often did I have that kind of love come my way. They are fortunate if they have that great attraction along with their love for the kids, which they are doing the best they can, so they say, but lord knows they are screwing it up. Can you imagine shrugging off the fact that your 7 year old daughter is getting ridiculed at school, because she (Cara) says it dosn't bother her. Of course, it bothers her. The poor girl looks and acts miserablee. It is sad as Kate and Jon really need parenting.

Quince said...

Ex-Bff said... Worse still, Jon has a temper. I've seen it. I wouldn't want to be married to it. They've shown slivers of his temper on television, but from my experience, he saves it for Kate. She has called each of her successive "bff's" about it when he explodes. The hardest part, for everyone I've spoke with about this, is deciding how much is Jon and how much is Kate inflating the disputes for sympathy.
I suggest Jon has temper tantrums and snits rather than a real temper. I remember the day he was angry with Kate because he wanted to rollerblade (using the guise that he wanted to play with the kids) and she wanted to clean the garage. He skated off leaving an unsupervised Cara to follow him. When he returned he jumped rope near the animal van just to annoy Kate.

Then there was the Valentine's Day tee-shirt that was too small. Remember the fit he pitched as he threw the tee-shirt on the floor and then pouted. These are not the actions of a mature man.

I suspect Jon was a high school dweeb and was trying to lose his dweebiness post-HS. His mother probably didn't allow the studded leather jacket, the chains, the over jelled hair, the cool shades, the tats, which turned him a George Costanza faux bad boy, while he was in high school. He wore thick lensed glasses but didn't get contacts until after high school. He thus had to fulfill his high school fantasy post HS. A good looking woman like Kate who was actually interested in him must have sent him reeling with delight. Perhaps he should have wondered by a beautiful woman was unattached and interested in him.

No matter now. These losers will continue to perform their strange pas de deux for the rest of their lives. And if it ever comes down to a physical fight, I'll put $100 on Kate to win.

Anonymous said...

ex-bff, I think you're right, you could see it during the TRU episode, she seemed like she knew she should change her tude, or he was going to go off on her later.

What is the TRU episode?

quietlyconcerned said...

I don't necessarily think Jon is a decent guy. I think his nature is basically passive; I do not think he has the intelligence or the will to think for himself. I think he can be the bully if he thinks he has the upper hand. And I think he is just as scared of Kate as the boys are.

jujubee said...

I agree with a lot of you that say he has a temper... yes, I feel he does, too. I've seen the way he grabs the kids and practially shoves them down the basement stairs. He's probably as bad as Kate, but in semi-different ways.

nofantasy said...

Anonymous @ 12:46:

I think you expressed some of what I've been trying to put my finger on for a while.

Kate (despite all her nit-picking about weight and hair) is really into Jon, sexually. I think having children so quickly was part of her desire to express that attraction. In the home videos that have aired, they still seemed so happy and in love after the twins which was a time where I think they still got to play "grown up", not just "parents". After the tups...well, I think lovemaking went out the window, which can't be a healthy state for married, 30-somethings.

Personally, I think Jon is equally at fault for the Gosselin Circus.

Anonymous said...

And Kate is scared of Mady, mark my words!
There is going to be a REAL problem in a couple of years. Not only is Mady going to spill the beans on Kate, there are a few others coming along, too.
Also, Mady will probably be the type of teenager who will be very rebellious against Kate. And Kate won't have the ability to contain her, which may mean that Mady will expose herself to all sorts of wrong choices and friends. She might even take off as soon as she can.

Anonymous said...

I do believe Jon is the better parent, but that is not saying much since he is being compared to Kate. He does seem to truly like and enjoy spending time with his kids. One of Jon's problems is that he is still a kid himself. His sophmoric humor, belittling and mocking of Joel and Mady in particular, and fixated adolsecent competition to outdo his kids at ice skating, roller blading, and even hide and seek detract from his parental competence.

Jon is basically a slacker. He was indulged and given whatever he wanted and appreciated nothing. He has no ambition and no drive. He says he will do anything for his kids, but he allows his family to be exposed and humiliated on international TV instead of working an honest job to support them. It is easier. In his own words, he says he will never leave Kate because he would be a very poor man.

Jon is already a very poor man in spirit and character. He is a gutless wimp. He is a cyberbully threatening and intimidating those who speak truth about Kon and their scamming lies from the corner of the closet. He has no spine and no integrity. Yes, he is a very poor man indeed.

Christian_N_Daniel_Mommy said...

I agree that he needs to grow a pair but no one is perfect. Yes, he's a whiner but he's certainly not as bad as Kate. I think he is the better of the 2 parents. Isn't our goal here to advocate for the children? I thought so. I like coming here but it's getting tiresome reading everyone's post ripping these people to shreds. I do not like J&K and I think what they are doing is morally and ethnically wrong and it is the children who are suffering for it but dang... I didn't go to college either, that does not make me a bad parent or a "not so decent" human being. Everyone has character flaws, is it really necessary to concentrate on them on such a deep level? It's getting a little ridiculous if you ask me. Yes, Kate is a shrew and always will be because in her eyes she is God. Yes, Jon is a no-ball wonder-boy but how many times do we have to re-iterate those facts?

Anonymous said...

The anonymous person who wrote the following really summed up what I see as Jon's biggest problem. He is not manning up. Who will be the children's role model in regards to work ethic? Most people probably do not LOVE their jobs. But they do it because it is the right thing to do and the responsible thing to do. It benefits themselves, their families and their communities. They would never dream of selling their own children's innocense and childhood. A strong man or woman would buckle down and do whatever they had to do to support their family with dignity and respect.


"He is weak because , as a man, he fails miserably in my book when it comes to 'manning up', ie. protecting the dignity and privacy of his family and 8 children. He is weak because he allowed exposure , greed, and $$$ to become a priority over preserving the innocense and privacy of his children. He is WEAK because he finds his strength sitting behind a keyboard responding to and eliminating the negative criticisms as if the public were not entitled to free speech and opinion. He is weak because he fails as a male role model for his sons. There is an appropriate Korean proverb, 'As the twig is bent so grows the tree'.

Anonymous said...

anon.4:23 PM asked:

What is the TRU episode?

TRU=Toys R Us

Anonymous said...

I can't stand Jon. Kate gets the brunt of the negative comments, but honestly, Jon is just as much to blame. The show likes to paint Kate as horrible (which is probably somewhat true) and they put Jon in the submissive husband role. But he's not. He counters with his snippy little comments in the later episodes a lot. I agree with others. He's immature and in my opinion rather shallow.

Anonymous said...

I could not agree more with the author of this piece. Every single thing rings true to me that is written. These two somehow found each other when surely no one else in the world would put up with either of them.

Lonnyswife said...

Didn't Jon say, maybe during the first Q&A show, that he didn't have much drive? I seem to recall it.
Anyway, if that is the case, and Kate was aware from the beginning, how much better for her?
She could wear the pants, be the boss, get her way, and she got a live-in nanny, with benefits. Meaning, Jon seems to be the primary care giver.

Anonymous said...

So Jon responds on web sites to the remarks made here? Interesting. And I'm not surprised that he would hide behind his computer to attack because since he is so very obviously weak and compliant at home he needs an outlet for any testosterone left flowing in his body. Poor, sad embarassment of a guy.

Renee said...

All I have to say to this piece is HELL. YES. You hit the nail square on the head.

Anonymous said...

I am no fan of Jon's, but can you just imagine the wrath he'd have to face if he went against Kate or tried to divorce her? She has managed to cut everyone who has ever loved those babies out of their lives. I can only speculate what would happen to Jon should he choose to walk. Kate would whine, rage, glare her eyes, bleed him dry, rant about what a bad guy he is for leaving her alone with 8 kids, and all the while she'd tell the kids how "mean Daddy is" and seriously limit his access to them. I think Jon isn't really smart enough or strong enough to face that or to stop this train. Also how could he have known what he was getting in to? Did you see Kate's fake crying and feigned wide -eyed innocence during the wedding ceremony? What normal person (especially a 22 year old, head over heels in love young man)could possibly guess it was all an act just so Kate could secure her "Asian Man"? No...I think Jon is about as stuck as a person could possibly get.

Anonymous said...

While Jon is obviously the more parental of the two, you can't help but blame him for half of this mess. Maybe he IS afraid to speak up, but not having the huevos to speak up is just as dangerous as being the mastermind of this charade/kiddie abuse ring.

Why does he even stay with Kate? Probably because he'd lose custody of the kids (though, in that battle, I'd give him the kids), have to get a REAL job, and pay child support. Due to his immaturity and lack of ambition, I would forsee that to be worthy of it's OWN reality show.

Props for the folie à deux reference, it makes this clinical psychology doctoral student very, very happy to see it used in correct context. On a side note though, lacking college isn't always a terrible thing, my fiancee hardly finished a year of college and we have a great, mutually empowering relationship.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone see what Kate looked like when she and Jon met? Did anyone catch in the Q&A episode when Jen asked her if she'd "dated" a lot before Jon? And Kate said very slowly "Maaayyybe...", like, wink-wink, yeah, I was a complete slut. Jon was like a 3-legged zebra being chased by a tigress. Never had a chance. Plus, for an uneducated, unambitious overgrown kid like him to find himself in a goldmine like he is, he's not going anywhere, at least not of his own choice, and at least not as long as the show is on. After the show ends, whether Kate decides to cut him loose or not is up for discussion.

Anonymous said...

Yep, Jon sold his soul to the devil and apparently he is making payments every single day for the rest of his natural life, too. This sad, gutless buffoon of a man got himself in about as deep as a person can get with a really bad woman. He won't get out, he can't get out. He wouldn't know what to do if he got out. She sucks the life out of him and everyone else around her on a daily basis -- and that's what entertains some people. The show should be renamed The Demasculization of Jon.

Anonymous said...

I'm on the fence about Jon too. Sometimes he seems decent with the kids, but other times he seems like a jerk. He quit his job to be a full time "TV Personality" which I don't really respect. His postings on other blogs or forums have me question his integrity and maturity.

But then at times when I see Kate mock him or humiliate him on tv I feel bad for him.

I think that growing he was probably spoiled by his parents then he met up with the Cougar and he had to grow up fast.

Not sure how I feel about him except to say that neither one of them deserve any credit for their children because all they did was give birth to them. They've allowed others to raise them, first the volunteers, then friends and family and now the production company.

Anonymous said...

Oh thank goodness someone finally said it. I was a little tired of the "poor Jon" mentality and all of the women who couldn't believe anyone would talk to their precious husband the way Kate does--I agree she's a raging b*tch and she should let up on the fat jokes (the only reason she's not fat is someone paid to slice hers off), but Jon definitely earns a lot of the nagging.

Anonymous said...

Yes, because Jon lacks ambition he finds himself between a rock and a hard spot with regards to both his employment/family issues and also with Kate and her treatment of him and others.

If Jon was motivated he could be using his free time to get educated(he has funds now) to ensure future employment opportunities independent of the children.

If he had ambition and education he would have a plausible way out of the mess that is the family's current living/support situation, and he would be better equipped to approach Kate with HIS plan of how they were going to live.


Jon just lacks the motivation and ambition to do the hard work himself...it's easier to let the kids do the heavy lifting; and to allow Kate to run roughly over everyone. He's taking the lazy man's easy road.

IMHO, Kate will never leave Jon unless he agrees to take all the kids...she wants to control what's being done to or with the kids, but in terms of actually DOING it, no way. Kate does not do...she's too dysfunctional and narcissistic. The only interest that K. has in those kids is in what they are providing for her....attention, money, goods etc... sad, but imho true .

Is Jon bad? Depends on who you're comparing him too. I think he's much more guilty of LAZINESS than anything else.

Anonymous said...

He's p****whipped.

Anonymous said...

I am appalled after reading blogs about the "real" Jon and Kate on the internet. This couple should not be doing a family show. Instead, they should be featured on Discovery Health's new program "Wicked Attraction".