GWOP Responds to TLC's Official Statement

We appreciate TLC finally issuing a statement about the controversial Gosselin family whose show airs weekly on their network. In a statement to CNN, TLC said:

"Because of the show, the kids and the family have economic security and the luxury of a mom who can stay at home and raise them."

However, we are disappointed that a respected network like TLC has so cavalierly missed the real issue here. The issue is not how much money the family makes, or whether their mother, father, or both stay home with the children (which they BOTH do). The issue is the constant cameras in these children's once private lives, as Paul Petersen has so eloquently stated, turning their day-to-day existence into a "spectator sport." TLC first attempts to justify the show by stating that the family is now "economically secure." However, just because the family is making a lot of money and is undoubtedly secure in harsh economic times, does not make what this show is doing to the children right. In fact, TLC's statement has caused us all the more concern, because TLC now has admitted that it is all about the money. According to their statement, everything they are putting these children through is okay because they are making a lot of money for it.

Unfortunately, history has shown that the wealthiest of child celebrities, Paul Petersen included, had very tragic, lonely childhoods and often equally tough adulthoods. Tragically, more than a handful of child actors died far too young, from drug overdoses, suicide and the like. Many more lost all the money they made. Money has never been associated with happy little child actors. In fact, history has found the reverse to be true. The more money that exploited children make, the unhappier they are. And, lest we forget who is controlling the money the children are making, it is their parents.

TLC further attempts to justify the show by saying that the children have "a mom who can stay at home and raise them." There are many reasons why this part of their statement also does not hold up. Kate does not need to have a television show to stay home. Lots of parents of multiples stay home. Keith and Becki Dilley, parents of the Dilley sextuplets, both took a turn staying home throughout their children's school years... without a television show supporting them. If Kate really wants to stay home, she can find a way to do so without exploiting her children. Many families with many children manage to get by on only one income. Moreover, we believe that because of the show, Kate is spending even less time with the children than she would have if she worked a day job. Episode after episode, in addition to their speaking schedule, has confirmed that Kate, as well as Jon, leave these children on a regular basis for days at a time. The children are frequently left with relatives, babysitters, neighbors, and nannies, while their parents travel around the country speaking about their "economically insecure" situation, collecting love offerings, subjecting themselves to hair transplants and tummy tucks, and the like. They have even left the children when the children were very sick... so Jon could get hair implants. Just a few weeks ago, Kate left the children for several days for a "brown paper bag" school lunch campaign.

Even when they are home, Kate and Jon's days are filled with conference calls, interviews, filming, meetings, and other production requirements. It's hard to give eight children the attention they need under normal circumstances. One wonders how a celebrity family with these kinds of obligations manages to spend any time at all together -- time away from the cameras in private. In a recent episode, Kate and Jon were seen to be so busy that they could not even sit down together on the same interview couch. This is hardly what one would expect of a typical stay-at-home mom. If this show were intended to provide Kate with the ability to stay home, the unexpected result is that she has become a very absent mother. TLC's statement is simply an excuse, a weak justification for exploiting eight little children who have no say in the direction of their celebrity lives. There is no child advocate on set, no teacher on set, no laws regulating any aspect of production or the money they earn. (The "set" is usually their home.)

TLC has shown a blatant disregard for both the current and long-term effects of exposing children in this manner in a way, quite frankly, we're not sure we've ever seen before. We fear for the Gosselin children, and we also fear for the many reality show children who are sure to follow if nothing changes. TLC, we hope you will pay heed to Paul Petersen and the many other, less well-known but just as concerned, viewers who have spoken out about Jon and Kate Plus 8.

It is not okay to subject children to this kind of grueling, intrusive filming schedule. It is not okay to make celebrities out of unsuspecting little people. It is not okay to rob them of their parents' time and attention. It is not okay to deny them the money they are rightly owed, or to not protect the money they currently are definitely earning. It is not okay to place them at risk of falling off the right path, behind many other exploited child actors who have come before them. TLC, it is not okay to continue this show any longer.

Submitted by Dew



149 comments:

Anonymous said...

Bravo.

Ilovemykids said...

You gotta shake your head at whoever at TLC issued this statement. Blatantly admitting the reason for the show is to make money for the parents. Wow, just wow. I pray for those children.

Anonymous said...

iluveeyore,
Thanks for posting this articulate, well-written and to-the-point response. TLC needs to be called on the carpet for this twisted spin. We appreciate you and all the other mods at GWoP!!!

Abenteuer said...

Well said. TLC is equally as guilty, contributing to the cash cow syndrome we see with this show. As a show, these kids should be compensated and accorded legal, physical and psychological protection. Kudos to this blog, PP and CNN for bringing attention to this issue.

iluveeyore said...

I appreciate the kudos, but this response was written by Dew.

It was difficult to post, so her name accidentally got omitted.

(But your comment is right on.)

A Mom-ynous said...

I agree--the statement was just pathetic.

It is important to note though--lots of people make poor choices at life for numerous factors that take their path down the road of drugs/alcohol abuse and other trouble.

This isn't a problem limited to child actors.

TLC dropped the ball big time.

Disney channel would never get away with such a statement if they opted to violate existing laws pertaining to child labor.

ThankYou said...

Right on Target! Thank you!!

Dew said...

If TLC wants to issue a proper statement about this show, they should issue a statement explaining how many hours these children work a day, how many days a week, how much they earn, how they earn it (by hour, by episode?), how this money is protected, how much is set aside in trust, who manages this money, whether their educational needs are being met on set, whether there is a child advocate and/or set teacher on set at all times, what is done to not subject them to work when a child is sick or does not want to do it or has a conflicting school or church event to attend, and other aspects of their working conditions. Only a statement explaining all of the above and assuring us that these children are protected will satisfy us. Since they can't come up with anything like that or refuse to disclose it, nothing they say is very useful.

Anonymous said...

Response to Dew (10/19/2008 5:58 PM): Yes, they should have put all this in. But, as we know, TLC is just as big a liar and a loser as KON and will NEVER fess up to the reality of their evil deeds. Incomplete response = GUILTY. Thanks, Dew.

Anne said...

Really great, I agree 100%. Please forward this to TLC and CNN. Thank you and to the many here who post exactly what I am thinking. (I am a crappy writter/speller and words on paper,screen just dont work) Really thank you so very much for taking the time to write this. Will you forward it to CNN attn Brooke Anderson and others or may I?

Ravello said...

We all need to contact TLC, CNN and all interested parties and reference this brilliant response written by Dew. Great job.
I would bet money there is a high level board meeting tomorrow at TLC.
We can also write to other media outlets and ask them to do their own reporting on the Gosselin situation.
We need to keep the pressure on.
I hope TLC is thoroughly embarassed.

Anonymous said...

I agree. we need to contact them and tell them about those money grubbers!!!!

you go paul peterson

Mama Kate said...

Well said! I am so glad to see that this has finally reached mainstream media. Through the hard work of this awesome website, and all the folks I have gotten to know so well over here who have toiled to get this story out there, something is actually being done about this now! I find it disheartening that neither TLC nor the Gosselins ever want to admit to the fact that this is child exploitation, but with enough public outrage I hope that this show is canceled - and the sooner the better.

BRAVO to the folks here at GWOP, and also to Jodi and family, and everyone who wants a NORMAL life for the Gosselin kids!!! Sadly, I think that even without cameras, those kids lives are going to be forever ruined simply because of the fact that they have Jon and Kate Gosselin as parents.

Libby said...

Very well written. It is only a matter of time until it all unravels but will it be "in time" to help the children? The damage has already begun and it will only continue to snowball. There is no telling what the impact of this "show" is going to be on the lives of eight "blessings".

Anonymous said...

Ravello said: I would bet money there is a high level board meeting tomorrow at TLC............
I hope TLC is thoroughly embarassed.
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I hope you are right. If there is a high level board meeting at TLC tomorrow, my fear is that (because they are just as sleazy as KON) they will simply come up with what
they believe to be a diabolical plan for damage control. They can't fool us - but they can fool the sheeple. And, as we know, it's the sheeple that keep this nasty train wreck going and line the pockets of KON. On the other hand, things may happen behind the scenes that may make things better for the kids (we can hope and pray).

iluveeyore said...

This response has been forwarded to CNN, Paul Petersen, and TLC.

ThreeFarmers said...

I don't understand how there is any question that these kids are being exploited. Seriously, all you have to do is look up the word "exploit" in the dictionary and the Gosselins, TLC, Figure 8, and any other company that is making money through the use of these children fits the definition.

CLICK HERE

I suppose the argument is whether the way in which the children are being used is mean or unfair.

Is it unfair to broadcast the life of someone who isn't old enough to make that decision for themselves in an educated and informed way? Is it mean to film a child who is having an emotional melt down or who is telling the camera to "go away"?

These children are celebrities and are making money for lots of people and they have had absolutely no say in the matter. There is also no guarantee that there will be a dime left in trust for these children when they reach the age where they are able to make the decision to live a life of celebrity. Of course, that decision has already be made for them.

Keep in mind, that there are over 400 registered sex offenders living in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Four hundred. Is it fair to broadcast the private moments of your children for everyone to see?

To me, this is a no brainer.

Anonymous said...

I see Julie has added a link to her blog about the CNN clip as well. I have just sent TLC an email about their LAME comment to CNN. What can one expect from the Totally Lame Channel (TLC).

Abenteuer said...

These children are clearly actors. Even way back in the infancy of movies, children who were on camera as babies were considered actors. We’ve all heard about the Our Gang kids who had issues transitioning to more adult roles and had their money taken away from them –when they earned money--- usually it was paltry sums snatched up and used by parents.

These children are working. Some people may see them as doing what they would do normally, with or without a camera but it doesn’t matter. Every show is somewhat staged and this one is no exception. It is NOT healthy to have children in front of the cameras all the time. They need time to themselves and spontaneity, which I doubt they get being shuffled from one place to another, from one filming to another and to one home to another.

These children may (or may not) be compensated, but who is looking out for the kids’ money? Mom and Dad? Hardly. I am sure Kate’s spa money has to come from somewhere. I would never have a problem with parents making money in any way which is beneficial to their families, as long as it isn’t detrimental to the family (e.g. the kids). If this is the best they can do to provide for their kids, they need to rethink their situation. We’ve seen in numerous households that taking care of 8 kids without a staff of volunteers isn’t impossible to do on your own.

Dew said...

We see Kate presumably spending the children's money on ridiculous things she doesn't need all the time, like the spa, expensive haircuts, manicures. But even if she were spending their money on basic necessities such as food, clothing and the mortgage, that's still not acceptable. The average mother and father feel a lot of pressure these days to support their families. The pressure of job security, will they get their raise, how will they budget their money, what if gas goes up again or food gets more expensive or the car breaks down? These are typical adult concerns and stresses that should belong to adults only, not children. Children should not feel one ounce of pressure that their money and their steady income is keeping the family together, or when the money slows or stops, one ounce of guilt when they can no longer support this lavish lifestyle. Make no mistake, children are watching and listening and are well old enough to realize it is THEIR money supporting this family.

The world has always been designed so that parents support their children, not the other way around. Any other arrangement has serious psychological consequences for the children for the rest of their lives.

AireZoe said...

Children should not feel one ounce of pressure that their money and their steady income is keeping the family together, or when the money slows or stops, one ounce of guilt when they can no longer support this lavish lifestyle. Make no mistake, children are watching and listening and are well old enough to realize it is THEIR money supporting this family.

The world has always been designed so that parents support their children, not the other way around. Any other arrangement has serious psychological consequences for the children for the rest of their lives.


There's the nut graf.
No more, no less.
Well said, and I hope someone, somewhere is listening to a voice of reason like that.
Not focusing on the hair styles, the teeth-whitening, not the foolish way a person sometimes speaks, but the way they rear their children. The nurturing and protection children need and deserve.

Ginny303 said...

Great Post Dew! CNN says that the "Pa Labor Dept" hasn't received any complaints, then I say lets send them some! The longer this show is aired the harder it is to watch the sadness in the faces of these kids. They are not happy and any idiot can see that! TLC being the idiots they are, should have seen it long ago.
Here is the page for the PA Child Labor Law Complaint Form.. I say we flood them!

http://www.dli.state.pa.us/landi/cwp/view.asp?a=142&q=201190&landiNavDLTEST=|851|3876|

Anonymous said...

After I heard/read about the CNN coverage, I was very curious to see what the "other" blog had to say. It's the first time my curiosity got the better of me.

Even after this segment, I am AMAZED at how the supporters turn a blind eye to the situation at hand. I was shocked to see how many people write about jealousy being a driving force, or that the Gosselin children have organic food and cute clothes, what's the problem???

I so hope that this is the start of more investigating, and the beginning of the demise of this awful show.

iluveeyore said...

The most interesting part...

Jon and Kate seem to think that people hate them personally. It's STILL all about them. (Why don't people like me?)

All people care about are the kids... they don't give a damn about Jon and Kate! Jon and Kate simply cannot understand that.

Anonymous said...

I sent follow-up emails to Regis&Kelly, GH, GMA, P&G, GAP, and Gymboree reinterating my disappointment of their support of the Gosselins in light of the recent negative CNN coverage, and also the recent negative NE article.

Shame, shame, shame!

Suzanne said...

Well stated.

Drew, you hit the nail on the head on many of the issues we have with this show.

It will be interesting to see how this affects the future speaking engagements. They can't exactly poor mouth after that TLC statement, now can they?

sabrinasmom said...

I was very curious to see what the "other" blog had to say. It's the first time my curiosity got the better of me.

I also find it curious that some people believe that the show is the only way for the Gosselins to have a "comfortable" life - as if the only two choices are the show and welfare.

What happened to working?

Anonymous said...

where did TLC post this statement?

Manda said...

TLC made this statement to CNN. It was broadcast on this video today on CNN Headline News.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q370dVhn2bc

ThreeFarmers said...

The TLC statement was shown during the CNN segment.

You can view the segment and the TLC statement by going HERE.

Anne said...

The CNN clip was done by Brooke Anderson I have sent emails to everyone to look into the Gosselins deeper...While doing this I found a # for showbiz tonight its a leave us a message about their show the # is 1-888-728-2899 ( got this off ccc showbiz toinights web site
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/
I dont know if its a free # but it cant cost more than $2.00 bucks to leave a message. Please call and encourage Brooke to do a full in depth spot on the Gosselins.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone noticed their site is down, or is it my computer? None of the pics come up except for the book ads..

Anonymous said...

Don't forget to send letters to Oprah also, from what I've read, she's in the works to purchase the Discovery Channel, which also has these types of shows on, that need protection also. I'm not sure if that includes TLC with the purchase, but I think she should be informed if she doesn't already know.

Ilovemykids said...

So, will the "love offerings" continue at the speaking engagements now that the cat is out of bag with regards to Kon's income? Or will these 2 continue to perpetuate the fraud that they need money? Stay tuned!!

Anonymous said...

"I also find it curious that some people believe that the show is the only way for the Gosselins to have a "comfortable" life - as if the only two choices are the show and welfare."

I find it interesting that there are many faithful fans out there that still believe that Jon is gainfully employed outside the home as an IT Specialist. They refer to the recent comment by TLC stating the show allows Kate the luxery to be stay at home mom as proof of this.

Anonymous said...

In this morning's (Monday) "USA Today" there is a full page add for the TLC shows airing on Monday evenings. The largest picture shown is the Gosselins.

Anonymous said...

While we're writing to PA Dept. of Labor we should also write to Jon & Kate's state representative and senator.

Representative David Hickernell:

http://www.rephickernell.com/?sectionid=107&sectiontree=107

Senator Mike Folmer:

http://www.senatorfolmer.com/connect.htm

Dew said...

"So, will the "love offerings" continue at the speaking engagements now that the cat is out of bag with regards to Kon's income? Or will these 2 continue to perpetuate the fraud that they need money?"

After TLC's slip of a statement admitting they are no longer financially insecure, I don't know how those two can possibly go around anymore asking for handouts. In the past we've always had to present churches with circumstantial evidence that they don't really need their money and aren't really poor. Now we simply have to point them to Jon and Kate's own network admitting they are rich. Do you think Kon is a bit aggravated with TLC this week?

Anonymous said...

I dont mean this to sound rude or anything, but I am truly curious.

What if the TLC statement said that the show allows Kate to be a WORK-at-home mom? Would that make a difference to anyone?

Anonymous said...

Definitely a good idea about writing other shows and the PA Labor Dept. etc... It's a good way to get the ball rolling.

These kids need a normal life. J&K should be ashamed with what they're doing to them.

Anonymous said...

While we're writing to PA Dept. of Labor we should also write to Jon & Kate's state representative and senator.

ANON said: Representative David Hickernell:
http://www.rephickernell.com/?sectionid=107&sectiontree=107
Senator Mike Folmer:
http://www.senatorfolmer.com/connect.htm
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Great idea, Anon. I will do this today. This CNN story is really turning into a major mobilization effort to stop this scam and the exploitation of those kids! It is truly about time!!

Anonymous said...

.....the luxury of having a mom who can stay home and raise them????
Actually the show has given the parents the luxury of staying OUT of WORK and leaving a lot of the child care, home and lawn care to hired help....as they travel, hawk pictures of the family, and play golf and go to the spa.
They are NOT staying home teaching the children and playing with them and helping them to grow.
They are even expecting VTech, who gave them free electronic games, to teach their children letters and numbers.
How sad.

Anonymous said...

Personally I think Kon are aggravated with life in general. I don't think they can handle the spotlight, the criticism and stress too well. Kate shows it all over her face and Jon is just bad at hiding the stress he's under. What's sad is, the kids are the ones that are suffering for two deadbeat parents who are nearing the end of their scamming deceitful ways. I just hope the kids will be alright when the cameras are finally turned off.

Anonymous said...

Kon is aggrevated with TLC and all of the news outlets who have now picked up on their scam, including Paul Petersen.
The program is in "damage control" mode, and Kon is scrambling to get their finances in order and secure "speaking engagements" for Kate for the future, because the kids will all be in school all day in North Carolina.
Little does she know that people do NOT appreciate her as a speaker.....and her speaker stints will dry up VERY quickly.
Time to apply for jobs.

Anonymous said...

IMO, one of the most priority protections that need to be addressed/investigated regarding the exploitation of the Gosselin children is their right to an education. Are the twins missing days of school for reasons of the 'family business', promo appearances, speaking engagements, episode filming, and the like. If so, is their an educational advocate on behalf of the children overseeing situations of on location educational instruction and or tutoring. It is obvious that the Gosselin children are subjected to a hectic schedule of filming,morning show appearances, magazine photo shoots, speaking engagements et. To what extent does the hectic schedule that is the Gosselin 'family business' infringing upon and disrupting the children's right to an education?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard about "Marcia Brady's" new book about her wild life and cocaine addiction, after the Brady Bunch ended?
Helllloooo Gosselins, look at what happens to children after life in front of the cameras.

Anonymous said...

Ditto: Bravo, Bravo; TLC is now off my list also. Statement made:
its all about the money. I pray for those kids........

ThreeFarmers said...

I think it would have been great if the TLC statement read that Kate was a work at home mom as long as they were clear that the WORK that she's doing is their "family business" which is based on their children's popularity and the show. The statement also need to include the fact that Jon's WORK is also the same "family business".

We just wanted the statement to tell the truth, not skirt around the issue in an attempt to imply that the Gosselins are earning income that isn't based on the popularity of their children.

Anonymous said...

Please tell me what KON is. I am a new reader so I don't know what everyone is meaning! Thanks!

ThreeFarmers said...

K is for Kate
ON is for Jon

KON is used as a play on the work con, as in con artist.

They are considered KONS because they have made a history out of misrepresenting their financial status in order to take in donations from people who believe they are in need.

As recently as a few weeks ago, their website still claimed that the children had no college funds despite the fact that the State of Pennsylvania announced that education funds were set up for all the children when the tups were born.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard about "Marcia Brady's" new book about her wild life and cocaine addiction, after the Brady Bunch ended?
Helllloooo Gosselins, look at what happens to children after life in front of the cameras.


The only reason she could afford a cocaine habit is because the Coogan Act applied, and she got her hands on her substantial earnings when she turned 18. Since that law evidently doesn't apply to reality stars, and given the nature of their parents, it's a million-to-one shot the Gosselin children will ever see a dime from the show.

Anonymous said...

What TLC failed to include in their statement is not only does the show allow Kate 'the luxery of being at home to raise the children' but the show also exploits the Gosselin children by providing the 'luxery' of free advertising for businesses and product promotion.

Anonymous said...

Well said, well written and thank you for this post.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard about "Marcia Brady's" new book about her wild life and cocaine addiction, after the Brady Bunch ended?
Helllloooo Gosselins, look at what happens to children after life in front of the cameras.
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For every child star who grows up to be a criminal or addict, there are a dozen others who end up relatively normal. You just don't hear about the normal ones because "Susie Hamilton grows up to be entirely average!" is not something you see on the news, whereas, "Former child star details her life on cocaine!" is.

I do believe that being thrust into stardom at an early age can cause a child to develop into an addict, criminal, or someone suffering depression. But there are a great many other things that could cause a child to experience those issues, and sometimes children experience those issues with no discernible catalyst.

Even kids who were not child stars may grow into messed up adults.

Anonymous said...

Concerning Marcia Brady: She wasn't even a "live" person, she was part of a TV family. The Gosselins are live people. They have had their lives out there for all the world to see. I wonder if their lives have been documented more than any other children in history. That seems like a true statement.

claramhutson said...

TLC= Total Lack of Conscience

How do they live with themselves. That channel has evolved into a side show act. Let's go watch some TLC and gawk, kids. Fat people, tumors, dwarves, even tinnier dwarves, out-of-touch families, deformity after deformity...exploitation.

T-bag said...

:::Fat people, tumors, dwarves, even tinnier dwarves, out-of-touch families, deformity after deformity...exploitation.:::
_______________________

Ok, you do have to remember that while the Gosselin children didn't ask for this, most of the "fat people" (by the way, a very politically correct and caring way to put that) and "deformed people" actually wanted to be on TV, they are adults and can speak for themselves.

Anne said...

For me what irked me the most was Pennsylvania Labor Office saying they have recieved no calls. Today I called the Lieutnant Governor and gave the guy who answerd the phone my thoughts on that. Here is the web page for him
http://www.ltgovernor.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=512&objID=3885&&PageID=430237&level=2&css=L2&mode=2&in_hi_userid=2&cached=true

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

The Gosselins are live people. They have had their lives out there for all the world to see.


Indeed. When we say child stars "grow up in front of the cameras" we have to remember they are playing fictional characters, and what happens to them in the script has happened to the character, not the actor. When we see Mady throw a temper fit, or hear Kate describe her son as having a "big head", these are things in their real lives that are exposed to the world. There really is no way to extrapolate from the lives of former child stars and estimate the amount of additional damage a child reality star will incur. The potentially hideous answer to that may not be known for a decade or more.

Anonymous said...

T-bag said...


Ok, you do have to remember that while the Gosselin children didn't ask for this, most of the "fat people" (by the way, a very politically correct and caring way to put that) and "deformed people" actually wanted to be on TV, they are adults and can speak for themselves.


True, but when you take someone who is struggling financially, and has spent a lifetime being gawked at for free, and you tempt them with the chance for gain and profit, you're bound to find some whose self-esteem is low enough they'll acquiesce to humiliate themselves.

And nobody can convince me TLC's mission is to create empathy and understanding for those people. To me I see them banking on attracting viewers with sensationalism, exactly like the old circus freak shows did, only TLC is much slicker at it.

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Rosemary Woodhouse said...

To TLC:

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the "luxury" of having TWO stay at home parents (Jon doesn't work outside the home either, remember, TLC?) was contingent upon the work efforts of the children.

A notice to the children of America who have a stay at home parent: get with the program! I don't care if you have to fill out that application at Arby's in crayon, get cracking!

elleroy said...

ginny303 said...
Great Post Dew! CNN says that the "Pa Labor Dept" hasn't received any complaints, then I say lets send them some! The longer this show is aired the harder it is to watch the sadness in the faces of these kids. They are not happy and any idiot can see that! TLC being the idiots they are, should have seen it long ago.
Here is the page for the PA Child Labor Law Complaint Form.. I say we flood them!

http://www.dli.state.pa.us/landi/cwp/view.asp?a=142&q=201190&landiNavDLTEST=|851|3876|

10/19/2008 8:18 PM

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I filed my complaint this morning and by this afternoon the PA Child Labor Dept. called me to question me regarding the matter. I admit I felt a little strange telling the investigator that I didn't have any first hand proof of my allegations, but I cited this website and Julie's. The investigator I spoke with told me he hadn't worked on a case like this before and wasn't sure how to proceed, but that he would check into the matter. About an hour later I received another call telling me that another investigator had received several complaints and was already investigating the case and would contact me to let me know what they come up with.

Thank you for the link ginny. I'm glad I was able to contribute and it certainly sounds like the department is taking the matter seriously. I was told that they needed to first determine whether a permit was issued for the children to work and that in PA children are permitted to work 44 hours per week. If a permit was not issued then they will apparently serve the Gosselins with some sort of certificate. Will let you all know what I find out, but I'm sure many of you will be hearing the same.

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carlsbad05 said...

TLC plays a HUGE part in how we view Jon and Kate Plus 8. They are thriving off of both negative and positive images of them. Yes, Kon has free will and can stop this madness at any time. But, who knows what the producers and network are up to. They paint Kon however they want to paint them--- and we form our opinions based upon their painted images. TLC is never going to take Kon off our televisions. Kon may be making it big, but TLC is making so much more off of them and their images. This is such a sick and twisted circle of deception!! Personally, I blame Kon first, and TLC is a close second.

Anonymous said...

fiapadington said...

For exploited children they all seem to be doing very well.


Many of us can see the subtle and not-so-subtle signs that's not so. And the bigger issue is what damage is being done to them by being exploited and deprived of normal, private childhoods, that won't manifest itself until years in the future.

Kate has also stated on the show that she only uses money that she has received as gifts for the extra perks that she enjoys.

Kate has lied so many times about so many things we've all lost count, her credibility is less than zero.

As a mother of one toddler, I know first hand that the best way to make sure I am taking the best care of him is to make sure that I am also taking care of myself.

That's not an uncommon philosophy, unfortunately, but I respect you for having the courage to voice it.

Perhaps the efforts spent on this blog and all these comments would be better spent on the actual exploited children of the world. The children who are being raped, sold, and worked to starvation and death.

Much of that can be handled by the authorities, as there are laws being broken. On Jon and Kate, thanks to inadequate legislation and plenty of loopholes, the only thing being broken are the spirits of 8 beautiful children. One can always find extreme examples of atrocity, if ones mission is to diminish another atrocity by drawing a comparison.


God loving parents.

I'm confused as to how someone can love God and yet violate His teachings at every turn.

Dew said...

"Even kids who were not child stars may grow into messed up adults."

I'm not saying that child stars have a patent on messed up adulthoods. But the fact remains that many child stars face a herd of obsticles due to dysfunctional childhoods and working conditions, exposure to the party scene and drug scene while still children, and either too much money or money being lost. If child stars make it through, and it's true some have, it is either in spite of their parents, or because they had good supportive parents. With parents like Jon and Kate, who in my view clearly are not to be trusted with guiding the children through this experience properly, I really fear for them.

Anonymous said...

In response to: "For exploited children they all seem to be doing very well. Kate has also stated on the show that she only uses money that she has received as gifts for the extra perks that she enjoys."

I hope this statement was meant to be taken in jest. There is no way one would actually believe such nonsense.

Ilovemykids said...

Kate has also stated on the show that she only uses money that she has received as gifts for the extra perks that she enjoys.

Oh, you mean Kate uses the "love offerings" for the spa trips, the hair coloring, the Ann Taylor Loft cloths?

The eight children of Jon and Kate all appear to be happy, healthy, well adjusted children who are being raised by devoted, God loving parents.

As someone who considers themselves a devout, God loving person, may I ask you what "God loving" behaviors Jon and Kate portray?

More children in this world should be as lucky.

Please explain to me how the Gosselin children are "lucky"?

Anne said...

anonymous 2:15

To me the children dont look happy. The fight all the time, slap each other continually. Yes all kids do this but I find they do it a lot. I very seldom see them being delt with, putting them in the corner is not dealing with it. Again I have 4 kids I know what they do but these kids do it a lot. Cara and Mady sure dont look happy. The names Kate calls them makes me sad.

As far as paying for things...they pay for nothing. TLC pays for all of it or its given free with very little thanks.

SmartyQ said...

fiapadington said...
Although it was written in an eloquent manner, it is also laced with blantantly biased opinions, and mis-represented facts.
List a few of them, please.

For exploited children they all seem to be doing very well.
Who is doing well? The children who support their parents or their parents? Are you referring to material comforts or emotional wellbeing?

Kate has also stated on the show that she only uses money that she has received as gifts for the extra perks that she enjoys.
I don't remember her saying this. Do you remember which episode. Kon have told many verifiable lies, but I'd like to hear another one.

As a mother of one toddler, I know first hand that the best way to make sure I am taking the best care of him is to make sure that I am also taking care of myself. Are you a SAHM or do you have an 'outside' job? Is your husband as helpful with child care as Jon?

The eight children of Jon and Kate all appear to be happy, healthy, well adjusted children who are being raised by devoted, God loving parents.
Meltdowns, hitting, biting, separation vomiting, screaming are scarcely the signs of good mental health. As far as Kon loving God, so they say. They just don't seem to be too attentive to His 'rules.'

Dew said...

"Although it was written in an eloquent manner, it is also laced with blantantly biased opinions, and mis-represented facts."

Please direct me to what part of the piece was biased or a misrepresentation. Fact: the children are working long hours. Fact: The children's money is not protected, unless you consider their parents adequate protection (which no law ever has). Fact: the children are supporting this family. Fact: The only reason Kate and Jon can stay at home and not work is because of their children. Fact: Kate takes money or freebies as a direct result of her children, and spends it on herself. Fact: TLC believes that as long as you are making money, whatever you put the children through to do it is irrelevant. Fact: TLC moreoever believes that what they are putting the children through is okay because their parents get to "stay home."

Anonymous said...

TLC is a business. I'd like to think that all businesses are based on ethical, moral principles, but sadly, we know that is not true. TLC will not stop this show until it is no longer financially profitable. The effects on the children to this company are irrelevant -- and the powers that be at TLC will shove the blame squarely on the Gosselin parents, where it belongs.

I have no interest in most of the TLC lineup and as long as the focus of any show is about adults -- then I may not like it, but I'll give it a pass. My objection to Jon and Kate Plus Eight has been and always will be the exploitation of young children. They are not able to give consent to their filming and there is no control of the working conditions or the finances.

If this were a sweat shop, with young children making clothes or rugs, and the parents only job was to "manage" the income -- would it be acceptable? Don't let the shiny accoutrements take away from the central question. Are these children leading the lives you would want for your own children? Would you want a national audience to see your child having a meltdown - how about multiple breakdowns? Would you want a company to edit video to make your six-year old the villain of the piece? Would you want a national audience to watch your child being photographed in the shower or on the toilet?

All the free trips and free clothes in the world can't make up for this circus of a life.

Ravello said...

Both KONS are young and healthy and there is no reason they cannot be gainfully employed. She was a dialysis nurse and in my midwestern city this job would pay at least $35.00 an hour, plus shift differential, weekend holiday pay, etc. The newspapers are full of help wanted ads for this position. He was some kind of a computer person, I cannot speak to his earning potential but I would think he could earn at least $10 bucks an hour doing something. They could alternate shifts, workdays, etc and still have a stay at home parent most of the time.
Instead, they are not employed in any capacity, they film a TV show and live off their kids who are the stars of the show.
KONS profession- STAGE PARENTS, it is sad.

Christine said...

Child actors (REALTY TV STAR KIDS) rarely turn out okay. They forever have that image of how the public once viewed them to live up to, potray, defend, whatever. It's sad. And I think it's sad that people try to defend what the Gosselin's are doing.

Heck Reality TV Stars as ADULTS always wind up having problems too. I don't know what's healthy or appealing about having your life publicized for the world to scruntinize. It's unhealthy and unnatural at any age, period.

Savannah said...

I really hope that they cancel this show quick. It is sickening to see this couple acquire as much as they have in such a short time. They are so greedy. And selfish-not wanting to give back to the family and friends that were there for them. However, the point is to get these poor innocent children out of it. They do not deserve any of this. And yes, unfortunately, they are stuck with J&K for parents. How sad. I can see J&K now threatening the kids that without the "family business" the children will not be able to go on trips and Mommy and Daddy will have to leave them with strangers while they go to real jobs. Yikes...I'm sure that word scares J&K worse. So lazy! Why did they have a family if they are too lazy to support them?

Rosemary Woodhouse said...

We're talking about CHILDREN here. I get so angry when I read lame justifications of the GimmeGimmes' choices based in pedantry and carefully orchestrated media spin. How can you justify taking a chance with eight beautiful special fragile little souls? What payoff is big enough to come up with the garbage I am reading here? These are kids...isn't it best to err on the side of caution? Why take a chance? What is the payoff for these kids?

Anonymous said...

Keep in mind if they reside in NC and actually become classified as "entertainers", there is STILL NO protection under child labor laws. I don't know about PA.

Anonymous said...

Kate has also stated on the show that she only uses money that she has received as gifts for the extra perks that she enjoys. So some Christian granny who had an extra twenty she could have used to buy a warm scarf with said no let me gift it to this women with so many children so they can pay their bills and buy food or help for the college funds ends up paying for Kate's crazy hair do and spa day? Lovely.
fiapadington said... More children in this world should be as lucky. Wow, if that's lucky then no thanks. I'm sure Mady is thrill to be the butt of jokes at school that's why she is always so pleasant and cheerful and making signs to welcome the camera into her room, NOT!
Must be some really yummy kool-aid TLC is selling.

Anonymous said...

But the fact remains that many child stars face a herd of obsticles due to dysfunctional childhoods and working conditions, exposure to the party scene and drug scene while still children, and either too much money or money being lost.
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The Gosselin kids have not been exposed to the party or drug scene. They're four and eight. They're not growing up in Hollywood and spending time at nightclubs.

I don't think too much money is ever the problem; someone who is irresponsible with millions of dollars would probably be equally irresponsible with a couple hundred in their bank account.

As for the lost money, we have no proof whatsoever that Jon and Kate are not putting aside money for the kids, or that the kids are not getting an equal share of money made from the show. It's just something everyone's assuming. If anything, we've seen evidence that Jon and Kate are looking out for the kids' futures, from the episode where they set up trust funds that the kids will have access to once they enter college or turn 30 (I believe that was the age stated).

Christine said...

Since filming takes place around the school schedule for the twins and the sextuplets are not school age--a teacher on set is completely unneccessary and ridiculous.

How do you know the filming takes places around the twins schedule? I saw their school calendar online and they are most definitely 'working' while school is in session.

They were at the Orlando Woman's Show, they were on GMA and Fox and Friends, all during school days. I would call that working since the cameras were on them and I'm sure we'll be seeing bits and pieces of these past few weeks on upcoming episodes.

Kate mentioned the Mary Poppins play that they all went to. Yeah it's for the family, but when the cameras are there filming, production wants certain shots to make up an episode or two and they need scenes to take place and the lack of privacy is taken away when it's going to be shown to millions every week. That is acting and it's taking place during school hours and guess what? It's only mid-October. The twins have already missed at least 4 days of school.

I'm sure they'd much rather be in school than having a tutor. But a tutor is something they'd have to consider if the filming during school days continues.

Anonymous said...

Child actors (REALTY TV STAR KIDS) rarely turn out okay.

How could you possibly know this? Just because you hear about some child actors and reality show kids turning to drugs and sex and goodness knows what does not mean that the majority of them do. I stated before that the only reason it seems like more of them are messed up is because you only see articles about the messed up ones; they don't write news articles talking about how some former child star grew up to be a totally normal human being.

Heck Reality TV Stars as ADULTS always wind up having problems too.

Always? That is a major blanket statement. I wonder if you're talking about average people who sign up for reality shows like Survivor ending up having problems (how would you know that they would not have a problem if they had never appeared on the show; with or without the reality show they may have turned to drugs or crime) or if you're talking about washed-up stars appearing on reality shows like The Surreal Life. If it's the latter, they were already screwed up. The reality show did not cause the problem, the reality show is a vehicle to showcase the problem.

mollybloom said...

Can anyone think of another family on TV that makes its entire living off the filming of its children? I can't. There are a couple that I'm suspicious of, but at least those parents pretend to work--and might actually do something. Jon and Kate are clear that living off their kids is their job, their only job. Yuck. What kind of example are these parents setting for their children? If Jon and Kate hadn't had a parcel of children to exploit, they would be anonymous nobodies. The kids will understand that someday.

Anonymous said...

If this were a sweat shop, with young children making clothes or rugs, and the parents only job was to "manage" the income -- would it be acceptable?
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If the Gosselin kids are working because they're on camera, so are Jon and Kate. If the Gosselin kids are working a job because a camera records them as they go about their lives, then Jon and Kate are working the exact. same. job.

Were this the imaginary sweatshop you describe, Jon and Kate Gosselin would be making clothing and rugs right along with their kids.

Dew said...

"Since filming takes place around the school schedule for the twins and the sextuplets are not school age--a teacher on set is completely unneccessary and ridiculous."

Firstly, we actually don't know if filming is taking place around a school schedule. This family has gone on countless trips in state and out of state. Not to mention public appearances during the week on live shows such as Good Morning America, so the children have without a doubt missed at least some school. The Tups are in preschool. They will soon be in kindergarten. This issue is not going away. That being said, if we are to believe they are indeed filming almost exclusively on the weekends or after school, when exactly does that leave the children time away from the cameras? This show is churning out a new episode every single week. At minimum, they are either in school or being filmed. Not a very happy existance in my view.

Secondly, I'm not sure you understand what a set teacher actually does. A set teacher is not simply a tutor helping out with a little math homework between takes. In California, a set teacher is an all incompassing word that includes child advocate. A set teacher works closely with the director to insure a child's rights are protected on set. When a child is sick, the set teacher speaks up. When a child is getting tired even within the span of legal working hours, it is the set teacher's responsibility to speak up. A set teacher can stop a sick or tired child from working even if LEGALLY a director could still make them work. She has veto power. A set teacher helps assess the scene for safety, as well as for the protection of the child's emotional health. For instance a set teacher would help assess whether a child should participate in a nude scene, or help arrange it so the child is protected from any nudity (i.e. filming child's portion separate). For babies, if a scene involves screaming, a set teacher might advocate for the actors to scream "silently" around the baby, and then add in the real scream later in editing. If a set teacher sees a violation or potential violation of child labor laws on set, she must inform the director. She must keep close track of a child's working hours and school hours. Directors or producers do not necessarily keep track of compliance with labor laws. It is the set teacher's responsibility to keep track of the hours, compliance, and other needs of the children, and assist the director with staying within those boundaries. In California, a director cannot film two seconds of film with a child without a set teacher present.

I hope that sheds some light on why a set teacher or similar advocate is so important for the Gosselin children. Production is clearly not concerned with their well being, not to mention their parents. A neutral third party advocate is truly a necessity in this case, and is certainly not ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination.

Here is the California law governing studio teachers. You will see how essential they are on every set, reality or otherwise, in protecting children's rights. They are required to have a thorough knowledge of CA and federal labor laws: http://www.dir.ca.gov/t8/11755.html

Dew said...

"As for the lost money, we have no proof whatsoever that Jon and Kate are not putting aside money for the kids, or that the kids are not getting an equal share of money made from the show."

And we have no proof they are putting aside money either. The point is even if they ARE putting aside money, there is no law forcing them to do so, and no law preventing them from dipping into the cold hard cash when times get tough. Do we expect this show to film until they are 18? I think Jon and Kate will want to dip into the cash well before then--probably a year or two at most after filming stops and people forget them. I would be shocked, shocked, if these children see a dime when they turn 18. I'll check back in in the year 2022.

Even assuming Jon and Kate are being completely responsible and fair with the children's money, that does not diminish the need for a law. We cannot assume that all reality show parents will protect their children's money. Jon and Kate have brought attention to an issue that is long overdue. Reality children are not protected. Their only hope is to cross their fingers their parents will do right by them. Personally, I would rather have confidence a law will protect these kids and others, instead of just hoping their parents do the right thing.

Funny, that was the attitude several decades ago in CA. What do we need laws for for child actors? They have their parents who will do right by then. Obviously these people were kidding themselves.

Escribe said...

"As for the lost money, we have no proof whatsoever that Jon and Kate are not putting aside money for the kids, or that the kids are not getting an equal share of money made from the show. It's just something everyone's assuming.
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To me, that's the whole point of advocating for laws to protect kids on reality TV shows---that is, to require that what they earn will go to them rather than assume the parents will be responsible, so that they have the same protection as child actors. J&K wouldn't be the first parents to help themselves to as much of their kids' earnings as they wanted when there are no laws restricting them from doing so. And yes, every cent this family has been paid for their TV show, appearances, etc. belongs to those kids because they are the attraction. Without their 8 little moneymakers, and more specifically the tups, no one would be interested in J&K and (gasp!) they'd actually have to work for a living!

Rosemary Woodhouse said...

How could you possibly know this? Just because you hear about some child actors and reality show kids turning to drugs and sex and goodness knows what does not mean that the majority of them do.

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Just off the top of my head:

Danny Bonaduce
Rusty Hamer*
Gary Coleman
Todd Bridges
Dana Plato*
Corey Haim
Corey Feldman
Maureen McCormick
Tatum O'Neal
Macauley Caulkin
River Phoenix*
Brad Renfro*
Jody Sweetin
Macauley Culkin
Drew Barrymore
Britney Spears
Patty Duke
Willie Aames
Adam Rich
Susan Richardson
Lani O'Grady*
Lindsay Lohan
Mackenzie Phillips
Tracey Gold
Winona Ryder
Michael Jackson
Robert Iler
Leif Garrett
Kristy MacNichol
Carl Switzer*
Anissa Jones*
Robert Blake
Brian Bonsall
Jaimee Foxworth
Judy Garland*

*deceased

Anonymous said...

Child actors (REALTY TV STAR KIDS) rarely turn out okay.

How could you possibly know this? Just because you hear about some child actors and reality show kids turning to drugs and sex and goodness knows what does not mean that the majority of them do. I stated before that the only reason it seems like more of them are messed up is because you only see articles about the messed up ones; they don't write news articles talking about how some former child star grew up to be a totally normal human being.


And how can you possibly know the long-term effects of all former child stars? History speaks for itself. There are a few who have survived over the decades unscathed, but more than not, child actors almost always have issues to deal with in their adulthood that would not have been there had their parents not chosen the spotlight for them.

If you want to read just one person's account of this, please check out Former Child Stars: The Story of America's Least Wanted by Joal Ryan

I could link to websites that list countless child reality stars that can recount their past troubles. You can find it on your own, I'm sure. You have a weak case. You can't change history and history is what will tell the Gosselin children's fate. I don't think history will be kind to the parents and I honestly believe, sadly, that more than one of these children will have emotional issues to deal with in their very distant future. Some are already throwing up the red flags. If you know what to look for you'd be seeing them too.

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Heck Reality TV Stars as ADULTS always wind up having problems too.

Always? That is a major blanket statement. I wonder if you're talking about average people who sign up for reality shows like Survivor ending up having problems (how would you know that they would not have a problem if they had never appeared on the show; with or without the reality show they may have turned to drugs or crime) or if you're talking about washed-up stars appearing on reality shows like The Surreal Life. If it's the latter, they were already screwed up. The reality show did not cause the problem, the reality show is a vehicle to showcase the problem.

10/20/2008 4:47 PM


Yep. Reality shows, when adutls are in them, definitely bring up problems for the stars too. Reality Shows are fairly new, but let's see. We have Nick and Jessica, The Hogans, Danny Bonaduce's BREAKING BONADUCE, Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey, Travis Barker and Shannon Moakler "Meet the Barkers", Britney Spears and Kevin Federline Chaotic, Carmen Electra and Dave Navarro "Til Death Do Us Part." Christopher Knight and Adrienne, Kathy Griffin, ALL the Bachelor and Bachelorette shows, I know there are more. Their reality shows didn't help their situations at all; all their situations turned for the worse, whether it be into divorce court, jail, drugs, whatever, OR brought out problems and situations that would not have been brought to the forefront had they not been showcased on a reality show and kids were involved and showed in some of these television shows too.

Sure some of these people already had issues to deal with, but who doesn't as an adult? The reality show made it worse for them and did not enhance or make better their lives at all. When does it?

Pam Anderson has enough (!) brains not to show her kids in her reality show. Good for her. Denise Richards should do the same, but she doesn't. You can spin it any way you want, but being in the public eye on a reality show is never a good thing. Ever. The smart ones keep their kids out of it too.

Anonymous said...

If the Gosselin kids are working because they're on camera, so are Jon and Kate. If the Gosselin kids are working a job because a camera records them as they go about their lives, then Jon and Kate are working the exact. same. job.

But I'm not sure how that excuses putting your children in that situation even if the parents choose this type of "work" for themselves. The only reason that J&K get this job is because they are willing to put their kids' lives on camera. The irony is that J&K draw the line at the intrusion into their own private lives - the door to the master bedroom is usually closed, there are no hidden cameras in there, Jon and Kate shower and use the bathroom privately. So I'd say that they are not doing the same job at all - if you even accept the premise that children should be working to support their parents (which I don't).

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate are working. The kids are working. Is it the same? No way. It's a matter of power and choice. That's why there are laws against child labor, child marriage, child pornography and a myriad of other behaviors that are legal for adults but not for children. When the kids are 18 and express a desire to be on TV (I can't imagine after this experience), then they will be able to make that decision. Until then, society has a responsibility to protect them from exploitation.

Anonymous said...

"Since filming takes place around the school schedule for the twins and the sextuplets are not school age--a teacher on set is completely unneccessary and ridiculous."

IMO it is rather assuming to suggest that the filming of J & K + 8 takes place 'around the school schedule for the twins'. Additionally, the Gosselin children are not only on a reality tv show but accompany J & K on numerous morning show appearances, speaking engagements, magazine interviews and photo shoots. Quite a time consuming and demanding schedule to impose on to a minor child in addition to the responsibilites of attending school.

Anonymous said...

Just off the top of my head:

Danny Bonaduce
Rusty Hamer*
Gary Coleman
Todd Bridges
Dana Plato*
Corey Haim
Corey Feldman
Maureen McCormick
....

________________

That does not prove that the majority of child stars end up messed up. You have merely listed a large number who have. Many does not equal majority.

I can list many words that start with the letter K. It does not follow that therefore the majority of words in the English language start with the letter K.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said: If the Gosselin kids are working because they're on camera, so are Jon and Kate. If the Gosselin kids are working a job because a camera records them as they go about their lives, then Jon and Kate are working the exact. same. job.

And yet not once have I seen J or K in their underwear and been subjected to a dissertation or showing of their bathroom habits/abilities. If not for the kids, no one would watch these two and they would NOT have this. job.

I have six kids ages 20 months to 14 years - none of them work - nor do I expect them to in order to provide room and board for myself and my spouse.

The difference between the kids working and the adults working is that the adults got to choose the job. There is no equity here.

Anonymous said...

But I'm not sure how that excuses putting your children in that situation even if the parents choose this type of "work" for themselves.
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I'm not saying it excuses that their children are on camera, I just don't like the attitude that the Gosselin kids are being worked to the bone while Jon and Kate are scratching their butts. Either they're all working, or none of them are working. You can't have it both ways.

Maggie said...

I don't expect children to work, I expect parents to. I don't expect children to make the decision to be on a reality show.

Yes they are all working, but the parents and the network have made it clear that it is the easy option for the parents.

I don't see how it is the easy option for the children.

no.ostriches said...

If the Gosselin kids are working a job because a camera records them as they go about their lives, then Jon and Kate are working the exact. same. job.

The episodes from this show do not miraculously appear from a day in the life of the Gosselin household.

An "idea" is developed. The filming is then planned around the "idea".

Good Lord, does anyone really believe that the end product is really just 22 minutes out of their lives?

Another thing, Jon and Kate have given their consent to this madness - who is speaking for the kids?

Daydream Believer said...

Anonymous said...
Just off the top of my head:

Danny Bonaduce
Rusty Hamer*
Gary Coleman
Todd Bridges
Dana Plato*
Corey Haim
Corey Feldman
Maureen McCormick

Let me add some off top of my head to this list..


Scott Baio
Candance Cameron
Mary Kate Olsen
Jodi Sweeten
Britney Spears
Jamie Lynn Spears
Lindsay Lohan
Brian Bosnall
Leif Garrett
Alyssa Jones *
Cissy Garver* both from Family Affair
Drew Barrymore
Jack Wild
Macualey Culkin and brother
Mike Lookinland
River Phoenix *
Adam Rich

Shall I try to think of more to convince you the problems of child actors?

Maggie said...

Not forgetting Jackie Coogan, a child star of the silent era who earned more than $4 million in his short career. He sued his mother and stepfather.

"The legal battle did, however, bring attention to child actors and resulted in the state of California enacting the California Child Actor's Bill, sometimes known as the Coogan Bill or the Coogan Act. This requires that the child's employer set aside 15% of the child's earnings in a trust, and codifies such issues as schooling, work hours and time-off. Jackie's mother and stepfather attempted to soften the situation by pointing out that the child was having fun and thought he was playing. Virtually every child star, however, from Baby Peggy on has stated that they were keenly aware that what they were doing was work." Wikipedia

michelle said...

Very well put, Dew.

Thank you Paul Peterson for speaking out on CNN. Maybe after the election, other news shows, will have him as a guest. Greta Van Sustern, Hannity and Combs, Glenn Beck, maybe even Nancy Grace. And Anderson Cooper.

Perhaps we can all collectively (sp) email these shows. How about it.

Anonymous said...

found on Dept of Labor website regarding child actors.
Pennsylvania
Yes
Yes-Minors 7 to under 18 need special permits from Dept. of Labor and Industry, and can’t work where there is alcohol.
To obtain special permits need: application signed by parent and employer, and with the seal of notary. Includes provisions for educational instruction, supervision, health, welfare, and the safeguarding and conservation for the minor of the monies derived from such performances
These are provisions for minor entertainers and PA has some regs in place according to Federal DOL.

Anonymous said...

Either they're all working, or none of them are working. You can't have it both ways.

But that is my objection. In this family, the adults only work because the kids are working. Jon and Kate's jobs are dependent on having 4 year olds work (presumably there wouldn't have been much interest in a show of Jon and Kate plus Two).

I'd also argue that adults have greater stamina (despite Kate's insistence on how exhausted she is) for work.

If your point is that Jon and Kate are working, rather than sitting around counting the money, I suspect that they are doing both. Certainly they have figured out how to (literally and figuratively) cash in this cash cow and have expanded the family brand to include books, videos, speeches, endorsements, etc. I agree that J&K are definitely working on the business end - but again, it only works if the four year olds work. Otherwise, they've got no brand.

Chris said...

Anonymous said...
Just off the top of my head:

Danny Bonaduce
Rusty Hamer*
Gary Coleman
Todd Bridges
Dana Plato*
Corey Haim
Corey Feldman
Maureen McCormick
....

________________

That does not prove that the majority of child stars end up messed up. You have merely listed a large number who have. Many does not equal majority.

I can list many words that start with the letter K. It does not follow that therefore the majority of words in the English language start with the letter K.

10/20/2008 6:56 PM

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Why do you need a list to prove the point that being a child star is a bad thing. It is a bad thing and rarely turns out positive for the kids in the industry.

I compiled a list of about 100 former child stars that now have issues with drugs, depression or have died. I deleted my whole post. It's ridiculous to try to argue the point. The facts and history speak for themselves in this situation. Google is a powerful tool, especially in making a case about the dangers of child stars and the aftermath when all the adoration ends. Take off your sheeple glasses and read for yourself.

Savannah said...

I just can't understand why Jon and Kate wouldn't want to have some sort of peace and solitude for their family. It's a damn shame to have them sit there week after week and tell complete strangers their children's business. They carry on like fools, making a mockery of themselves, for money. It's just not right. I really can't understand what they're thinking. Because they are the parents, this gives them the right? C'mon J&K defenders-think about it. Their behavior is unexcusable. It's too much exposure. These children, especially the sextuplets, have no idea what privacy truly means. I am sad for them. You absolutely cannot make up for this intrusion with free toys and trips. Once all this comes to an end, what will happen to all of them? Even Jon and Kate do not know what they have done to themselves at this point. They are trying to save face, as if they have everything under control. I really don't think they do. However, the sooner they realize that they are not in control-the better off they and their children will be.

Anonymous said...

Meltdowns, hitting, biting, separation vomiting, screaming are scarcely the signs of good mental health.
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Ok, not to play the devil's advocate here, but ALL 4 YEAR OLD CHILDREN HAVE MELTDOWNS AND HIT. I don't know what planet you come from where all 4 year old children-especially 6 the same age kept in close quarters at all times- behave like angels. My mother was a preschool teacher and dealt with more than 15 4 year olds every day. But you know what? After 3 hours she got to go home. The 15 children were seperated and went to their respective homes so they could have a break from others their age. So when you say that preschool teachers know what it's like to have 8 children all day long, that's not true.

Anonymous said...

I see sheeple do not get the concept that the parents are not working and yet the kids are. Well, the parents are staying out of regular work and being given free trips to go and enjoy for pretty much every episode. However, in order to do this, these kids must be dragged along no matter if one is in a bad mood, sick, tired, etc. It's easy for adults to walk around all day getting freebies and 'making memories'. But for small kids, not so much. They have to be made to behave, I'm sure, in order to get good footage. They have to be directed, told what to do, how to act, pretend it's the first day of school or Christmas, when it is not. That is acting. The parents have it easy. The kids do NOT get to just go out in the yard and have unstructured play and get dirty. Heaven forbid! They give up privacy, being able to relax and just be a kid, etc, etc. All because their parents refuse to get real employment. So to say the toll on parents and children is equal is absurd.

Dew said...

"That does not prove that the majority of child stars end up messed up. You have merely listed a large number who have. Many does not equal majority."

It really does not matter the actual numbers of child stars who are "messed up" and those that managed to make it through. It's hard to get an exact number on something so vague. The fact is the entertainment industry and fame and fortune has been proven to create dysfunction in many children, and adults too for that matter. Countless child actors have spoken out in adulthood begging people to pay attention to what this does to children, begging for laws, begging people to not let what happened to them happen to others. Why do so many continue to refuse to believe? As someone else said, why take a chance with CHILDREN?

It's like saying well not every child who plays with matches burns themselves, therefore it is okay to let children play with matches because there's a chance they won't burn themselves up. That logic, I'm afraid, is seriously flawed. Adults are here to protect children from matches. Just as adults should also be here to protect children from the dysfunction of the entertainment industry and working conditions on set.

Adults consent to placing themselves in the business and exposing themselves to it, as did Jon and Kate. The Gosselin kids did not consent, are not of the age to consent, cannot possibly understand all the ramifications of consenting. They could not even talk when this show began. Contrary to what Kate wants to believe, four-year-olds cannot and should not be permitted to consent to this sort of thing. A trained advocate who knows the children and the working conditions, an ADULT, is the one who should be giving consent. Last time I checked, adults are supposed to be the parents and the protectors and the decision makers. At least when your child is four...years...OLD.

The fact that Jon and Kate also work is similarly irrelevant to me. They are still mooching off their children, just working hard to do so. The children are still working. It does not matter if Jon and Kate pick their noses or actually work, the children will still be working.

Christine said...

“You put a kid in front of an audience, on a stage, under a spotlight and they’re getting a lot of praise, adulation, and they’re adorable and they’re being adored by the audience. It feels like love,” she said. “When the roles dry up — and I think the roles do dry up in adolescence — the kids are gawky. They’ve got acne, patchy facial hair, their voices are changing. Their love is gone and they’re left alone without their audience and it’s very uncomfortable to be alone when you’ve had that experience. Adolescence is a prime time for experimenting with drugs and other risky behaviors. There is a confluence of things that are happening.”

~Danny Bonaduce when recently asked about Tatum O'Neil's recent drug bust

sabrinasmom said...

"That does not prove that the majority of child stars end up messed up. You have merely listed a large number who have. Many does not equal majority."

So it's ok to just take a chance?

That list is pretty compelling. I see that the Gosselin children have two strikes against them - the spotlight at such a young age and questionable parents. IMO

lynnie said...

Anonymous said...
Has anyone heard about "Marcia Brady's" new book about her wild life and cocaine addiction, after the Brady Bunch ended?
Helllloooo Gosselins, look at what happens to children after life in front of the cameras.
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For every child star who grows up to be a criminal or addict, there are a dozen others who end up relatively normal. You just don't hear about the normal ones because "Susie Hamilton grows up to be entirely average!" is not something you see on the news, whereas, "Former child star details her life on cocaine!" is.

I do believe that being thrust into stardom at an early age can cause a child to develop into an addict, criminal, or someone suffering depression. But there are a great many other things that could cause a child to experience those issues, and sometimes children experience those issues with no discernible catalyst.

Even kids who were not child stars may grow into messed up adults.

10/20/2008 10:55 AM


How many of these actors that are ok, do you know? Just because we haven't heard about problems from being on TV, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Dew said...

Moreover even children of celebrities time and time again have had problems later in life. Merely being around the dysfunction of celebrity and the entertainment industry, has time and time again ruined childhoods. To assert that children in the industry or even around it aren't affected, is without merit.

Anonymous said...

IMO, I have yet to any attempts on the part of J & K to address the issue or apply any measures in the form of reinforcements that would prevent or minimize the odds of their children succumbing to the potential dangers associated with children working in the entertainment industry. Perhaps their awareness of such has been blindsided by all 'the economic security' and luxeries that working in the entertainment industry has afforded them. However, if they are blind to the fact that exploiting their children for monetary and personal gain does not come without a cost at the children's expense, whether it be present or future, they are either truly naive or just dont give a rat's a**.

A Mom-ynous said...

"Heck Reality TV Stars as ADULTS always wind up having problems too. "

Actually they do not.

This is just a blanket statement that is unfounded except on the basis of maybe Richard Hatch.

Most return to private lives, some cash in on the fame. But certainly not "ALL" have trouble.

Hyperbole will get us nowhere.

A Mom-ynous said...

"Keep in mind if they reside in NC and actually become classified as "entertainers", there is STILL NO protection under child labor laws. I don't know about PA."

If and hopefully when the law is changed, they would be covered under PA law.

NC just says it is permissable for children under 14 to work in entertainment but has no limitations on capacity. They also must get a certificate from county social services.

Here is a comprehensive summary by state of entertainment law.
http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/state/childentertain.htm


I found in a google the statement "story of their life for purpose of entertainment" for the state of north carolina.

However, b/c registration was needed, I couldn't find out the rest of that statement.

Clearly this family is entertaining (as a verb, not an adjective :)).

There is no question about that. But that sentence sums it up nicely and could easily be added to any law and would cover any documentary/reality style show that represents their life for entertainment.

http://www.hrtools.com/resources/state_laws/north_carolina/north_carolina_child_labor_law_summaries.aspx

If anyone can find the rest of that statement, please post it!

Molly said...

I love how "A-Mom-ynous" keeps ignoring all the posts above where obvious and factual PEOPLE have been harmed by the entertainment industry by them being involved at such a young age. I'm sure we could all lists hundreds of names and the sheeple-amomynous would still defend. How very very sad.

Just keep wearing those sheeple glasses. I'd love to see what your defense is in 5-10 years when the Gosselin kids start showing the affects of what they're doing now. We'll see how strong you are in promoting child reality stardom then.

Give me a break.

iluveeyore said...

According to a reply I received from TLC, they consider Jon & Kate Plus 8 to be a DOCUMENTARY.

What a neat way to get around having to consider children to be actors.

Anonymous said...

Just keep wearing those sheeple glasses. I'd love to see what your defense is in 5-10 years when the Gosselin kids start showing the affects of what they're doing now. We'll see how strong you are in promoting child reality stardom then.
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They are ALREADY showing the negative effects.

Karen said...

It's incredible that the Gosselins have not looked to the Dilley family for a model. The Dilley family had a stay at home parent--the father--while the mom worked as a nurse. They somehow managed to make ends meet--oh, yeah, that would be because Mrs. Dilley doesn't bop off to the spa, or beg for a free tummy tuck from a plastic surgeon, or hair plugs.

The Dilleys homeschool, I believe, and lead a normal, modest life, while allowing a yearly "update" special on the kids.

The Gosselins, sadly, are very materialistic, and probably freaked out when they realized they couldn't maintain that materialistic lifestyle with eight kids...unless they exploited those kids.

Escribe said...

"To assert that children in the industry or even around it aren't affected, is without merit."

>>>To assert that they will always be affected is without merit either.
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IMO this isn't an "always" or "never" situation, it's about considering the risk potential. The tups have been consistently filmed since they were 14 months old. As far as I know, there are no other children who have been exposed to this much filming for most of their young lives. One child star who grew up just fine despite his stardom was Ron Howard. But he credits his parents for doing everything possible to give him a normal life off-camera. He participated in regular kid activities, such as Little League, and he said his parents were careful to separate the showbiz aspect of his life from his family life, making sure he wasn't spoiled from all the attention. So his home life was grounded in normalcy because his parents knew it was important for his developmental well-being and the results of their diligence are obvious. OTOH the Gosselins kids have no separation between their job in front of the camera and their home life. In fact their job in front of the camera IS their home life. Since the Howards have proven that the way to successfully raise a child star is providing a loving normal home life away from the cameras, the fact that the Gosselin kids have no such separation between job and home doesn't bode well for the long-term effect that so much camera time will have on their lives.

Anonymous said...

One child star who grew up just fine despite his stardom was Ron Howard. But he credits his parents for doing everything possible to give him a normal life off-camera.

The other critical point to remember about Ron Howard's parents, which he has repeatedly emphasized, is that at no point did the Howard family income depend on Ron's earnings. That to me is key. The Gosselin family income is solely dependent upon six four-year olds.

A Mom-ynous said...
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Escribe said...

"The children need legal protection as participants of this show.

They do not need legal protection from their parents."
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I agree that children on reality show need laws to protect them, just as there are laws to protect child actors. But to an extent those laws would also protect children from the parents in that, for example, parents wouldn't be able to squander all of the money earned from the child's appearance on the show, and parents wouldn't be able to keep their kids in front of the camera for countless hours, depriving them of necessary time away from filming. The parents wouldn't be able to take the kids out of school whenever they wanted to meet filming schedules, and a child advocate would be on set to make sure that educational requirements were met. So you ask if I want laws to dictate how a parent can use their children in the entertainment business to generate income for the family? You bet.

Dew said...

"Parents have rights, like it or not--and generally all the government can do is "hope for the best"."

Firstly, government does not just "hope for the best" when it comes to children. Government intervenes all the time when they see something wrong, via laws, social workers, regulations, etc. I think I'm probably one of the most qualified people here to speak about this issue because I deal with parental rights every day. I am a parents' attorney in dependency court--a court that terminates parental rights. I try to stop the court from doing that. I try to get the government out of these people's lives and get their children back with them. If anyone believes in parental rights, privacy rights, etc., it's me.

I cannot speak for others but I am certainly not advocating for limiting their parental rights. Parents have the right to the care, custody and control of their children, absent abuse, including educational rights. It is true, I do not like some parenting choices Jon and Kate make. For example I do not like that Kate did not give the boys' their cupcakes on their birthday. I can hate that all I want, but no law will protect these children from this sort of bad parenting. (Abusive parenting yes, but I have never asserted that these parents are abusive by any legal standard.)

Perhaps this is where we have a fundamental disagreement. I am not asking for any law legislating day to day parenting. I am asking for a law regulating these children on set. Unfortuantly their set is their house and their lives, so it may overlap with parenting. I believe that laws should protect children in the industry in two respects 1. working conditions on set, including hours, emotional and educational needs and 2. protection of any monies earned. I do not believe that these are parental rights. I believe that the children's rights trump any right parents have to control of their children once they step on set, including monies earned.

Fortunatly the law agrees with me. Every recent law regarding working children has assumed that parents cannot be trusted to protect these two areas. The problem is the conflict of interest. Absolutely parents under normal circumstances can protect their children. But for children who are working, their money is usually funneled through their parents. Herein lies the conflict of interest. Herein lies where the law must intervene. Jon and Kate live a lavish lifestyle because of their children's hard work. I do not agree with this. You may. It's a fundamental disagreement. Some parents will guide their children just fine through the industry, such as the Howards. The Gosselins have not. You apparently fundamentally disagree with me.

If you believe parents can be trusted to protect their children in the business (and I find that such a hard argument after history has proven, again, again and again they cannot), then you would disagree with me.

My discussion of TLC's statement in the original post never asked to limit Jon and Kate's parental rights, except when it comes to their children ON SET. So I don't know where the confusion lies on this issue. I'm not asking for that, I don't see anyone else who is. I want both, the cameras to stop and reality children to be protected. It is not an either-or situation. If cameras stop, Kate will continue to deny the boys' cupcakes on their birthday. I realize that. But at least they will have a shot, just a shot, at having a somewhat normal childhood. I would like to give them that shot, and not take the attitude oh well anything could cause a dysfunctional childhood so why bother.

When a former child star is crying out pleading with the public to stop the madness, child stars like Danny Bonaduce, Paul Peterson, Drew Barrymore (exposed to the drug scene before she was a teenager), and the like, I am not going to lecture him/her about causation and other scientific analysis. I am not going to tell him his allegations cannot be "proven" under a scientific standard, therefore no one should look out for children. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

A Mom-ynous said...

Dew:

I liked your first post and I liked your most recent post and agree with much of it. Very articulate.

My most fundamental problem is that the law allows 8 hours per day up to 44 per week.

So once covered, then what?

Children on set are treated so differently now.

Children now must have a parent or guardian on set at all times. There was a time when parents couldn't be on set. Now they are.

Children in entertainment in this day and age--who turn out negatively, probably would have anyway.

The Gosselin children--if Kate is accurately portrayed--will be affected by their mother's parenting. 15 years from now when it all plays itself out, noone will know if it was Kate or the show.

Danny Bonaduce is not what I call a credible character for child advocacy.

Drew Barrymore likely would have had what happened to her occur anyway b/c of the legacy of her family. She has since cleaned up.

You can take a cross section of population and find all sorts of sex addicts, rapists, murderers, theives and drug users. The vast majority cannot blame it on child hood stardom.

Dew said...

"You can take a cross section of population and find all sorts of sex addicts, rapists, murderers, theives and drug users. The vast majority cannot blame it on child hood stardom."

We'll have to disagree to disagree. You think there is no causation between child actors and dysfunction. I do (as do many others, including former children themselves.)

The fact that other non-child actors have problems does not have anything to do with child stardom being a direct cause of problems for those poor children. Perhaps most problems can all be traced back to dysfunction--be it bad parents, uncaring teachers, drugs, early sex, abuse, mental illness, child stardom. But why insert dysfunction into a child's life when we don't have to? I really don't get it. In my view you are saying well since drugs can cause dysfunction, why try to prevent teenage pregnancies since they could just fall into drugs, too? That simply doesn't make sense to me. You don't avoid or refuse to solve one problem just because there are other problems out there.

Child stardom sets children up for problems. You don't believe this. Or rather you refuse to believe this. We disagree.

A Mom-ynous said...

"But why insert dysfunction into a child's life when we don't have to? I really don't get it. In my view you are saying well since drugs can cause dysfunction, why try to prevent teenage pregnancies since they could just fall into drugs, too? "

Being in the entertainment industry does not have to equal dysfunction.

Your latter comparison makes no sense.

I interpret that you wish to prevent all children from being in entertainment of any kind based on what I presume that statement means.

Is that accurate?

Dew said...

"Being in the entertainment industry does not have to equal dysfunction."

Again, not what anyone is saying. Only that it creates a high risk of dysfunction. To suggest otherwise I assume is to be in denial about the past 80 years of children being in the industry. Conversely, just because some children manage to make it through unscathed does not prove the reverse either, that the industry is not harmful.

"I interpret that you wish to prevent all children from being in entertainment of any kind based on what I presume that statement means."

Of course not. Obviously not. Children will always be wanted in the entertainment industry and fortunatly for child ACTORS they are much better protected than ever before today. Since laws have become much stricter it seems to me we hear less and less about child actor tragedies for recent actors. But the Gosselins are not considered actors and are not protected. Do I think non-consenting toddlers should have a reality show about their lives for four years? No, I do not. Do I think given the current laws is a reality show appropriate for any child this young? I have big concerns. Unless you can keep their partipation to a minimum the way Pamela Anderson has or Anna Nicole did when it came to filming their children, no, I do not believe it is right to film children's lives on a daily basis and then broadcast it to millions. I believe it is exploitation, pure and simple. We have never seen a reality show this intrusive about children this young. No other reality show on for this long has been solely about and for the children. Quite frankly, the last time we've seen anything remotely similar, their names were Dionne and they were behind a glass wall instead of in our TV sets. If you have any more doubts about the effects of turning children into a sideshow, I invite you to read the Dionne's book.

As others have said before, I think TLC has turned into just a socially acceptable way to show America a freak show--not just this show but a lot of their programming. If a freak show went around the country like they did in the old days there would be a national outcry. Why does putting it on our TVs sets and watching it in the privacy of our own homes instead of going out to see it make it any different? The only thing it does is make us feel less self-conscious about starring at these people all we want. Does anyone see the problem in starring at another family allegedly living their lives? Would you do this on the street or in any other situation?

If you're interested in the Dionne's the title is "Family Secrets: The Dionne Quintuplets' Autobiography."

Rosemary Woodhouse said...

"Danny Bonaduce is not what I call a credible character for child advocacy."

I do. I think that if he leaves one legacy for his life, it is that he refuses to have his children involved in the entertainment industry. He is the poster child for sickness, drug abuse, and a screwed-up life, courtesy of child stardom, and he knows it, and he speaks openly about it.

Did you see the program "I Know My Kid Is A Star" or some other such nonsense, hosted by Bonaduce? He took the "parents" on a tour of Hollywood, but not to the hot spots. No, instead he took them to the sites where child stars OD'ed, were arrested, were caught having inappropriate sex, underage drinking, etc. The most poignant moment was when he took the "parents" (I use that term loosely) to the Viper Room, where River Phoenix choked to death on his own vomit, right there on Sunset Blvd., while his own brother watched, helpless.

Mackenzie Phillips was just caught with drugs for like the millionth time. Same with Tatum O'Neal.

How many of these really together, sane former child stars you claim to know about can you name? Here are a few others from my list:

Eddie Furlong
Haley Joel Osment
Jaime Lynn Spears

my9cats said...

"The Gosselin children--if Kate is accurately portrayed--will be affected by their mother's parenting. 15 years from now when it all plays itself out, noone will know if it was Kate or the show.

Danny Bonaduce is not what I call a credible character for child advocacy."

On the contrary, Danny Bonaduce is a totally credible example of what can happen when the glory days end. Shirley Temples career effectively ended when she grew up and the cutes went away. Although she had a good career in OTHER fields, but not in acting, I am sure when the scripts and demands went away it must have left her confused and hurt. America's darling no longer wanted.

Anonymous said...

"According to a reply I received from TLC, they consider Jon & Kate Plus 8 to be a DOCUMENTARY."

Oh, you actually got a real reply from TLC, not something canned? They're full of it if they think this trainwreck is a documentary. It's staged and not real. Jon & Kate have turned into actors, and so have the kids. A documentary is real, there's nothing real about changing behaviors for damage control purposes.

Anonymous said...

I interpret that you wish to prevent all children from being in entertainment of any kind based on what I presume that statement means.

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I think what most people are saying is that there needs to be regulations regarding what these children are FORCED to do. The children had no voice when they were just babies and contrary to what Jon & Kate say...still have no voice. People are outraged on their behalf as they are filmed during life's most private moments, NOT playing a role.
I don't know how anyone with children can justify what Jon & Kate have done. I have too much respect for my children and their rights to do something like this to them just so I could avoid going to work.

Dew said...

Shirley Temple's mother curled her hair into exactly 56 ringlets and made her sleep on uncomfortable curlers almost every night of her childhood. Her mother told her she was a year younger than she was. Temple did not know her real age until 13. She was not allowed to naturally make friends. Her friends were specifically chosen for her and presented to her on her secluded existance in a bungalow near the studio. Her schedule was regimented daily--wake, study lines, eat, go to the studio, do publicity shoots, school in between with a private tutor, sleep. Still think parents can be trusted to protect their showbiz kids?

She was married at 17, had a child and was divorced by 21. How many people do you know divorced before they're even drinking age?

When she was 11 years old, a producer exposed himself to her. Eleven...years....old. This is from her own words in her book "Child Star." Once she was interrogated by an investigator for more than an hour. He was trying to ascertain whether she was really a child or a midget posing as a child after rumors were flying around Europe she was an imposter. Still think there's nothing concerning about show business?

Anonymous said...

"Danny Bonaduce is not what I call a credible character for child advocacy."

While the character that we see in Danny Bonaduce as an adult in and of itself may not be that of one that is considered 'credible', his personal experiences as a child actor working in the entertainment industry and the end result we see in him today, are certainly worthy of the consideration that his experiences working in the entertainment industry may have/ did play a contributing role in the adult we see in him today.

C said...

“You put a kid in front of an audience, on a stage, under a spotlight and they’re getting a lot of praise, adulation, and they’re adorable and they’re being adored by the audience. It feels like love,” she said. “When the roles dry up — and I think the roles do dry up in adolescence — the kids are gawky. They’ve got acne, patchy facial hair, their voices are changing. Their love is gone and they’re left alone without their audience and it’s very uncomfortable to be alone when you’ve had that experience. Adolescence is a prime time for experimenting with drugs and other risky behaviors. There is a confluence of things that are happening.”

~Danny Bonaduce when recently asked about Tatum O'Neil's recent drug bust

This quote says it all.

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amomynous said:

"Danny Bonaduce is not what I call a credible character for child advocacy."


Why is that I wonder? Could it be because he was a former child star and explains the pitfalls of it in the above quote? I think so.

Danny Bonaduce is someone who has lived it, breathed in and felt the pain of it 1000 times over. I believe and respect someone like him commenting on child advocacy and the entertainment business over someone who is looking in from the outside trying to defend something that cannot be defended.

ThankYou said...

For those of you who feel there are many more child stars than not who grew up to become good, emotionally healthy adults please make a list of these former child actors.
Support your side/cause with facts.
Email Paul Peterson about the people he helps. You might be surprised.

Anonymous said...

Shirley Temple was a child star...and a U.S. Congresswoman. I continue to be amazed at all the excessive hand-wringing over how the Gosselins choose to live their lives. You're certainly entitled to your opinions, as am I, but I honestly don't get it. I enjoy watching their program but I do look forward to the day when they "close up shop" and start living private lives. It's the only way they'll ever get away from people who make a full-time hobby out of nit-picking them to death.

KathyGriffith said...

Shirley Temple Black ran for congress, but did not win the election. She was, however, a US ambassador. Mrs. Black is one of the exceptions that proves the rule.

TLC has flubbed this one. When a viewer complains to the network they are sent a form letter. It explains that the show is a documentary, shown in the view of the producer. Stating that the show is for the purpose of creating "economic security" is a mistake.

Dew said...

As long as TLC keeps this show on the air and keeps the children as the stars, we're going to nitpick. Quite honestly, these children need more people who care enough to nitpick about their working conditions. Maybe it wouldn't have taken CNN four years to get on the story.

Granny said...

Anonymous said...
Either they're all working, or none of them are working. You can't have it both ways.

But that is my objection. In this family, the adults only work because the kids are working. Jon and Kate's jobs are dependent on having 4 year olds work (presumably there wouldn't have been much interest in a show of Jon and Kate plus Two).

I'd also argue that adults have greater stamina (despite Kate's insistence on how exhausted she is) for work.

If your point is that Jon and Kate are working, rather than sitting around counting the money, I suspect that they are doing both. Certainly they have figured out how to (literally and figuratively) cash in this cash cow and have expanded the family brand to include books, videos, speeches, endorsements, etc. I agree that J&K are definitely working on the business end - but again, it only works if the four year olds work. Otherwise, they've got no brand.


You've hit the nail on the head, right on! There would be no show w/out these six children who are being forced to work and J&K would have really understood what real work and true exhaustion is because they would have had to earn a living for their children instead of the children providing for them. These two parents have it backwards!

Granny said...

Dew said...
"So, will the "love offerings" continue at the speaking engagements now that the cat is out of bag with regards to Kon's income? Or will these 2 continue to perpetuate the fraud that they need money?"

After TLC's slip of a statement admitting they are no longer financially insecure, I don't know how those two can possibly go around anymore asking for handouts. In the past we've always had to present churches with circumstantial evidence that they don't really need their money and aren't really poor. Now we simply have to point them to Jon and Kate's own network admitting they are rich. Do you think Kon is a bit aggravated with TLC this week?

You betcha! I'm so thankful that the church has been awakened to this fact, at least now they know the truth now about their financial status. I already knew they were not on the up and up and I refuse to sow hard earned money into bad ground! NO THANKS J&K but I think I will use my God given wisdom to sow my seed where it trully is needed!

Anonymous said...

"After TLC's slip of a statement admitting they are no longer financially insecure, I don't know how those two can possibly go around anymore asking for handouts. In the past we've always had to present churches with circumstantial evidence that they don't really need their money and aren't really poor. Now we simply have to point them to Jon and Kate's own network admitting they are rich. Do you think Kon is a bit aggravated with TLC this week?"

It has been said, J & K are using the excuse of having to deal with 'future expenses' ie, braces, college, weddings, retirement in order to continue the 'love offerings' cash flow. Perhaps a financial advisor should donate their services to J & K so they can better utilize their current 'economic security' as a means to plan for their future needs. As opposed to J & K relying on hand outs from those who are of less 'economic security' to provide the means to secure their future needs.

Anonymous said...

"I enjoy watching their program but I do look forward to the day when they "close up shop" and start living private lives. It's the only way they'll ever get away from people who make a full-time hobby out of nit-picking them to death".

What about those that make a full time 'hobby' or JOB out of exploiting the Gosselin children for personal and monetary gain. Your concerns regarding these children are with blogger 'nit picking'? I find the blatant past, present and continued exploitation of the Gosselin children to fulfill the self serving agendas of their parents and others FAR more critical of a reason to 'close up shop' than anyone's full time hobby of 'nit-picking' them to death'.

Anonymous said...

"I enjoy watching their program but I do look forward to the day when they "close up shop" and start living private lives. It's the only way they'll ever get away from people who make a full-time hobby out of nit-picking them to death".
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I am always dumbfounded when I read comments such as this one. So, what you (and other KON supporters) are saying is that the "nit picking" on this blog is more offensive to you than KON's disgusting behavior?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone become annoyed with the fact that each episode seems to be an "infomercial" for a child toy? I started noticing it with the "Graco" boosters, then the radio controlled race cars, then in the last episone it was a fisher price doll house. Kind of annoying.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know how much money they make for each episode?

fostersmom said...

Anonymous said...
Does anyone know how much money they make for each episode?

10/23/2008 10:35 AM


We've seen speculation ranging everywhere from $6,000 -$75,000 an episode. We do not know the hard figure. That's a very broad range, but it's probably safe to guess that the true figure lies somewhere in that range.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Either they're all working, or none of them are working. You can't have it both ways.
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This comment is ironic in that it's actually Jon and Kate who want it both ways.

They want the fame, fortune, and freebies, but not the notoriety that comes with it.

Anonymous said...

Well posted and well written. I couldn't agree more!

Anonymous said...

So what are we saying here? Should all children be banned from tv, radio, ads, etc? How is that possible? I think the show is wierd, and at times I feel for the kids, because, really, who wants to grow up knowing that the world has seen you poop, throw up and have tantrums? But I think the Gosselins and TLC have every right to make the show as long as the children are not being abused or neglected. And it is evident that they are not, at least not by the strict definition of neglect.