Free Discussion 10/4-10/10

For discussion on the Gosselins that you don't see a more appropriate home for comments.

188 comments:

ThreeFarmers said...

I love free discussion almost as much as I love free Juicy Juice.

Anonymous said...

I think we need to all find away to contact anyone who can or cares about the gosselin kids to get this show off of the air, or at least make kon and jate come clean with all their lies...what should we do?

dizzy_squishling_and_bean said...

Hmmmm free Juicy Juice nummers. I would also like some GAP for my children please hehe.

Seriously though, my husband asked me the other night WHY do you watch these people when they frustrate you so much.... I didn't have a great answer. I think I'm done with them, I get tense and stressed enough on my own I dont need their crap interfering in my life lol.

elleroy said...

I concur and if there was ever a discussion that Jon and Kate could participate in on this board, this would be the one! ha!

Anonymous said...

I have finally come to the point where I am deleting Jon and Kate plus eight off of my tivo. The thought of them selfishly adopting a helpless baby into that insanity that they call "normal life" just makes me so angry. Time and time again they have said how they don't have enough time for the 8 healthy children that they have already been blessed with. It makes me mad that they are not happy with their twins and sextuplets and want to have "just one baby". To me that is like ordering a 1/2 carat diamond ring and when you go to pick it up the store has giving you a gorgeous 3 carat ring but instead of being happy you complain that you also want the 1/2 carat ring. Their greed and selfishness is just too much for me to handle. I am a Christian and I am struggling with the way they say they are Christians but nothing they do backs it up. I think you should be able to tell a person is a Christian by their acts and not just because they say it. I see good and loving families at my church being ripped apart by cancer and other illnesses while the Gosselins can't be happy with their 8 perfect children. Seeing them take and take and take when so many families are struggling just to pay basic bills just breaks my heart.
I can't believe that I have gone from being a huge fan of the show to being disgusted with the Gosselins in such a short time. Then again I can't believe how much they have changed in such a short time. When the show first started my then 3 year old would ask me why that mommy was so crabby and I would say because she has 8 kids. Now I say becuase she doesn't know how to appreciate her 8 beautiful healthy children. It is amazing how perceptive children are. My 3 year old knew that Kate was being mean and crabby and called Mady the mean sister without input from me. At 3 he knew that their family had real issues yet Jon and Kate still won't admit they have a problem. I am done spending my time watching that train wreck every Monday night.

I just love the kids..... said...

I love the free discussions almost as much as I love 3 Farmers posts!!!:)

chiasmus said...

I know this is silly, but the way I found this site back when Jodi started her blog was through Google. With Google, the more hits a site gets, the higher it moves up when someone googles it. Because of this, I always go to Google, type in "Gosselins" and this site comes up first. To keep it at the top where people who haven't been Kon'd can find it is important to me. If they are interested in the Gosselin's they need to be informed.

My suggestion to keep this blog where the sheeple might happen upon it is for all of us to google it, then click through.

Lonnyswife said...

I love free discussion almost as much as I'd like to have TWO wedding dresses for my next bow renewal.

Nat said...

Wouldn't it be strange to HAVE to feed your kids certain things because your getting paid to endorse them?!?!? Opening your fridge and thinking "OK... I have to feed my kids Xbrand peanut butter because they CAMERAS haven't gotten a shot of me using it yet today".

That's just wrong on so many levels...

Lonnyswife said...

Lonnyswife typed: bow renewal???

Lonnyswife says: boy renewal???
That should read 'vow' renewal.
I haven't done any archery hunting since I was a teenager and have never played the violin.

pullthegosselinplug said...

I have been thinking about when the book finally does come out and about ALL of the people that have pre-ordered it. I think alot of these people think that the book is going to answer alot of the questions and explain alot of what is viewed as inconsistencies on the part of Kon. My gut tells me that the book is going to be exactly like the website, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if what is on the website is just excerpts from the book. I can envision alot of public backlash from the sheeple if I am right.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?

AmandaT said...

Ok, I feel like I need a shower. Just been hopping about the CafeMom Jon&Kate groups and I simply can't get over the attitude that people have regarding them. It still absolutely blows my mind how people can defend them so vehemently. So much of their "logic" is that we should never judge another human being ever, that those are not our children, so they do not matter. I find it terrible that women, mothers no less, would advocate for complete and total apathy of what is happening to the Gosselin eight. What is that teaching our own children? "When you see something bad, just look away and shrug your shoulders. Or just stand and watch for your own entertainment. But do not speak up or try to advocate for better things."
I am so thankful for this group of intelligent people who realizes that apathy is not a good quality, because sometimes, those attitudes really disturb me.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said, "I have finally come to the point where I am deleting Jon and Kate plus eight off of my tivo. The thought of them selfishly adopting a helpless baby into that insanity that they call "normal life" just makes me so angry. Time and time again they have said how they don't have enough time for the 8 healthy children that they have already been blessed with. It makes me mad that they are not happy with their twins and sextuplets and want to have "just one baby". To me that is like ordering a 1/2 carat diamond ring and when you go to pick it up the store has giving you a gorgeous 3 carat ring but instead of being happy you complain that you also want the 1/2 carat ring. Their greed and selfishness is just too much for me to handle. I am a Christian and I am struggling with the way they say they are Christians but nothing they do backs it up. I think you should be able to tell a person is a Christian by their acts and not just because they say it. I see good and loving families at my church being ripped apart by cancer and other illnesses while the Gosselins can't be happy with their 8 perfect children. Seeing them take and take and take when so many families are struggling just to pay basic bills just breaks my heart."

Word to that, Anon 6:38. I am horrified to think they could subject another child to the dysfunction that is their life out the sheer selfishness of wanting to see what it is like to have a single child. What about the eight kids they already have that they can't remember if they interacted with each day? Give me a break. How lame is that?

I, too, struggle with their slap in the face of true Christianity. What hypocrites they are! To play the Christian card to elicit love offereings from unsuspecting, good hearted people who believe them at their word that they are struggling to make ends meet. If that is not illegal, it is immoral and just plain WRONG.

Judy said...

Amandat~ I think the problem with most of those posters is they DONT see a problem with what J&K are doing.
A. They see a family with lots of kids who are adorable and live in a "Beaver Cleaver" home.
B. They live vicariously through J&K and all their freebies and travels.
C. They take the show at face value and are numb to the fact that these are REAL CHILDREN.

For a very long time I WANTED to like the show. It's fun to watch a couple that argues and has lots of kids and lives in a cool house and has a tv show! The End The End!! I didnt want to think any further than that. But, once I read Julie's blog, that was it. The reality set in.

(my DH hated the show from the beginning...he said Kate was too mean)

Anonymous said...

Just reading some of the comments at the pro-Gosselin website, about how great Kate is and what a wonderful mother she is. Do these people watch the same show? This womans life is disastrous and I do not mean just because she has eight kids. She is in turmoil and anyone can tell that her life was like that long before the children.
I cant believe how anyone can support her. I think she is a disgrace to the female gender and Jon is an embarassement to all men.
To add just those comments made by her supporters and their attitudes toward issues and their backward/closeminded thinking is one of the reasons why women in general have a long way to go in closing the gender gap, and why women will never get ahead.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I just noticed that this blog is well on its way to one million hits. Great idea to Google it and click in, chiasmus. I just have it bookmarked, but will do that in the future to increase GWoP's visibility and bring it to the immediate attention of someone searching for answers about the greedy G's.

Anonymous said...

pullthegosselinplug said...
I have been thinking about when the book finally does come out and about ALL of the people that have pre-ordered it. I think alot of these people think that the book is going to answer alot of the questions and explain alot of what is viewed as inconsistencies on the part of Kon.
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I agree with this 100%, PTGP. I think the book is just.more.fluff like the PR pieces we see in the mainstream media. With two more books in the pipeline, I don't see Kon trying to clear anything up in their book. They are just going to keep perpetuating the myth of Gosselin Camelot for all the sheeple to suck in, while they continue to suck in the sheeple $$$.

ThreeFarmers said...

What I don't understand about the people who keep saying that it is always wrong to judge others is that they never acknowledge the fact it is worse to turn a blind eye when you know another is being harmed.

Are we supposed to live in a lawless society? Is it supposed to be ok to steal, cheat, kill? No, of course not. In order for those types of actions to be stopped, we must make a judgment call. Believe me, if all those people who say it is always wrong to judge were to come home to find someone in their house robbing them blind, they would get judgmental real quick.
If they caught some stranger photographing their children they wouldn't hesitate to get judgmental.

The whole "judgmental" argument is nothing more than a way to avoid admitting that they are wrong.

Kareninaz said...

Two more books in the pipeline? Wow! I'm out of the loop. I wonder when they're coming out or what they are. Off to check at Amazon.

Anonymous said...

uGGH! Although I absolutely despise Kate Gosselin for so many reasons that I am sure many of you can relate to (75 minutes a day working out, and hardly any help, what a liar?)... well after watching Birmingham and Jon the no personality statue... I lost complete and total respect for Jon. It has been building up. I have always liked him because he seems to be the kinder parent but he takes Kate's abuse to the point where it is obvious there is something seriously wrong with him. He was just a little boy who was indulged all of his life with a rich father and probably very loved but he had no need to work or have any real direction. His mother was probably very controlling which is why he lets Kate walk all over him. Hate to say this but this thing is so out of control that one day Kate is actually going to leave Jon b/c he is such a wimp. Would be great for Jon, this is true, to get rid of her, but how can he function alone? He is retarded?

pullthegosselinplug said...

One of the most irritating arguments I hear the sheeple make for not "judging" Kate and Jon is that it is either the TV show or welfare!
I have read this numerous times and do not believe any thinking human being can write these things.
What about working to support your family which teaches your children about responsibility, work ethic and integrity like 99% of us do?
I also think many of the women who admire Kate for "standing up to Jon" are either exactly like her or they are way at the other end of the spectrum with absolutely controlling husbands that they wish they could "stand up" to.
They don't realize that in a healthy marriage or partnership it is never necessary for one person to "stand up" to the other.

Anonymous said...

I often wonder why Jon even goes to those speaking engagements? Just to hold down the stool? He does very little talking. Kate blabs to hear herself blab the whole time while Jon sits there and makes his silly smiles and says "thank you" to the questions. Aren't there 8 little kids somewhere in Pennsylvania that may need him (& her) more?

Anonymous said...

I watched one of the old episodes, the one where they went to Dutch Wonderland. The scene where they were putting on their "numbered" shirts and Jon made the comment that he didn't want to wear his because he didn't want to be "that" dad others would make fun of.

Well doesn't he know he is already *that* dad, guy, man, wimp, fill-in-the-blank, every single week we see a new episode or watch a rerun? He's the husband that absolutely *NO* other man can possibly relate to with the type of abuse, crap and degrading he takes every.single.time we watch one of their shows. And he's worried about a shirt?! He really has no clue does he?

Anonymous said...

To Those Familiar with Adoption and the Adoption Process,

Does a family actually get to request the gender of a child that they wish to adopt? I think that would be a red flag to the regulators. Wouldn't a loving, responsible family be looking to adopt a child, not a girl or boy? Would the Gosselins happily welcome a male child? Way to go, actually stating, "We're looking to adopt a Korean girl." the Gosselins are so clueless, IMHO

Anonymous said...

Kareninaz said...
Two more books in the pipeline? Wow! I'm out of the loop. I wonder when they're coming out or what they are. Off to check at Amazon.

Yep, Karen, Kate is "writing" a cookbook and another one, possibly a children's book. Put those on my Christimas list - NOT.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the adoption:

Maybe they are just "putting it out there" like they do with so many other things that have turned into freebies for them? They want an international adoption agency to come forward and wave all the fees in return for free publicity of their agency? Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

Some really good points here, I am so glad I am not the only one who looks at this show as sees scam, who is so frustrated that nobody is keeping their eye on the kids best welfare but only looking at all the money to be made. There is power in numbers...please take the time and share how you feel at other sites/blogs. use google to come to this site. As well if your nuts like me, call people. yesturday I called media 8, (thier pr company), I called People magazine and TLC. Sure it might cost me a few bucks but I can go without a mocha this week. Someone had a great idea to email Chris Hanson or Dateline. Again if our voices are loud enough someone will hear us and catch on. Please dont just vent here but send and email to someone else. After regis & kelly then People magazine I have just had enough of the lies and the way kate is selling her kids out for fame. thanks

AmandaT said...

Wait, but you're not a real cook if you need a recipe. So we all don't need the cookbook according to Katie. Hmm, I wonder if it will be as riveting as the creations she came up with for the grain counsel (spread organic-peanut-butter-no-less on one slice of bread, spead -insert sponsor here- jam on another slice of bread. Press together, cut into triangles).

ThreeFarmers - that is exactly my concern. We need to judge right from wrong, good from bad. Simply turning a blind eye when others are taking advantage of the "weak" (i.e. children) is a travesty.
Ahh, sanity. I needed a dose after reading the same defensive comments over and over!

Anonymous said...

I stumbled across this today - an article on organic food:

Organic Food Offers Little More Than Peace of Mind, Critics Say

I thought of Kate.

Kittie said...

AmandaT said...
Ok, I feel like I need a shower. Just been hopping about the CafeMom Jon&Kate groups and I simply can't get over the attitude that people have regarding them. It still absolutely blows my mind how people can defend them so vehemently. So much of their "logic" is that we should never judge another human being ever, that those are not our children, so they do not matter. I find it terrible that women, mothers no less, would advocate for complete and total apathy of what is happening to the Gosselin eight. What is that teaching our own children? "When you see something bad, just look away and shrug your shoulders. Or just stand and watch for your own entertainment. But do not speak up or try to advocate for better things."
I am so thankful for this group of intelligent people who realizes that apathy is not a good quality, because sometimes, those attitudes really disturb me.


That kinda runs on a two way street though. They probably look at us like we are monsters for what we say about them. I was reading on another message board and they were talking about this site saying we are "devil worshipers" and that not one person here can be a christian and if they were we were all going to hell anyways because we judge them.

Anonymous said...

My husband and I looked at international adoption a few years ago. When the talk of J&K getting a Korean infant, I remembered that most international adoptions had restrictions about the number of children currently in the home. I just went to a Korean adoption website (listed below) which notes that adoptive families cannot have more than 4 children already in the home.
Check it out at http://www.adoptkorea.com/

iluveeyore said...

The Gosselins could go through a private adoption and have no problem with the number of children in the home (although if I were the judge signing off on the adoption, I would surely think twice -- or three times).

They could convince some poor teenager that her baby would get all the perks that their kids are now receiving. Then they get a lawyer, and that's about it.

Anonymous said...

A couple things I haven't seen mentioned that I was curious about.

On the show where Jon was wearing his glasses and bitching and moaning because his contacts scratched his eye. I felt like he was hoping someone would come through with Lasik.

When Kate and Beth were shopping and Kate couldn't find her wallet at the checkout. I doubt that was the first time or last time that happened.

sammysam said...

I would like to preface this comment with the fact that I have a very long commute to work everyday and therefore have lots of time to think.
What is really concerning me now is that there are eight precious souls that do not have a chance. The show need to end now! However, with the show ending, the main part of the "family business" will end and with that their income will end. They will have to buy what is now being given which means that they will have to work. The kids have been threatened with daycare and already have some seperation issues. I do beleive that Kon do love their kids, but I really think that there would be some major resentment if they actually had to support them.
Either way this goes, those kids are going to lose and that makes me sad.

ThankYou said...

Yes I agree J&K could do a private adoption. They have the money now.

This has really bothered me since Kate said they have many different people in the production coming and going in their house. How can they know their children are safe from abuse? Who looks after the safety of these children?
Kate says she is busy from sun up to sun down "working". We all know that means making deals for more money. She is not watching her children.
Who are these people coming and going? Who regulates and does background checks? Who watches out for the kids?
I am afraid no one does.
The parents travel and leave the kids with sitters a number of times a month.
When I was small my parents traveled frequently. I hated being left even for a few days.

I know Jon is not the perfect parent but it is good to know they have one parent who steps in as the nurturer.

Katie O said...

This is something that I have been thinking about for a long while, but I've never posted to question. I was afraid this would appear to be me digging for anything and everything that could be negative in the Gosselin situation, and I don't want to be one of those people. But I really have been pondering this for quite some time.

Before the 'tups were born, J&K said they had the chance to adopt an oriental baby, does everyone remember this? They said they prayed about it, and decided against it.

Has anyone else wondered if they decided against it because the baby turned out to be a boy?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone noticed how thin Kate has gotten...esp. on Regis and Kelly. She is starting to have a lolli-pop head. No doubt this is done on purpose...since she is such a big star!

Anonymous said...

I just want to say that I have learned quite a bit about myself in the past two weeks.

I have posted on this site quite a bit, usually under anonymous, and my posts haven't always been relevant to the issue at hand. I have partaken in petty and childish ridiculing of J and/or K. Many of my comments had little or nothing to do with why I found this site in the first place.

For that, I would like to apologize. I thought I was better than that. I am ashamed to admit, that I was not.

I somehow lost sight of my real concern, that being the welfare of the Gosselin children. I truly believe that they are suffering in their current enviornment and the show needs to end.

I think that the best thing for me to do to help that happen is stop watching the show, stop patrnozing their sponsors, and stop giving them any more attention.

I just want to thank the people at GWoP for doing what you do. These kids need an advocate and they have one in GWoP.

God Bless

Anonymous said...

OMG! Just saw a commercial for next weeks episode and they have a DOG in the previews! Basically if they hint about it, they are laying the ground work & it's coming soon. There is little doubt in my mind that they are adopting, otherwise I don't think they would have mentioned it in several interviews. A dog and another kid, just what this family needs, lol!

percol0768 said...

Judy said:
(my DH hated the show from the beginning...he said Kate was too mean)

It's quite funny you say that (or type it, because my husband said the same thing yesterday, when I was relating to him the latest developments..

Christine said...

New Upcoming Episodes listed on TLC:


10/13/08
9:30
Back to School


After a fun-filled summer, Jon and Kate prepare for the twins to head back to school and for the sextuplets to start their first year of pre-school! There's lots to do as all eight kids to head to school for the first time in Gosselin history.



10/20/08
9:00pm
Baseball Game with Daddy


It's a day of ballpark fun when the Gosselins are invited to a Phillies game by the manager. Jon takes the boys and Cara to see their first baseball game. After the game, they get to run around the bases, meet the mascot and even meet one of the players!

Anonymous said...

As the mother of a little girl adopted from Korea (and all of the struggles associated with fertility treatments before turning to adoption) I say PLEASE NO! It's getting hard enough to adopt from Korea (though I can't blame a country for wanting to place its children in-country first, as well as wanting the best homes for them); we do NOT need J&K doing it on tv, making it look "easy". (I wonder if TLC could pay their way through UCIS and all...).

Anonymous said...

This pic might be the reason Kate has gone over-board with exercise!

http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_8582931

1Wish said...

I wish I could have 1 baby, let alone 8. If I were lucky enough to have a hundred at once, I would never complain.

CantStopWatchingThisTrainWreck said...

For so many reasons, Mady really disturbs me. And for those exact reasons, Jon and Kate disturb me even more.

Mady just seems unhappy, angry and aggressive. She so plainly lacks discipline and her parents are always making excuses for her behavior. "She's dramatic/outspoken/passionate..." Where I come from, her behavior would be considered plain old fashioned naughtiness.

From the tantrums, to the whining, to the hitting, to the screaming...and at HER AGE!?!? I get it that she is suffering the ramifications of a stressful life, what with all the cameras and siblings and whatnot, but come on!

Kon had better act fast because her complete lack of caring and feeling toward her hurt siblings and utter lack of knowing right from wrong("accidentally" poking sibling with pencil comment) is a recipe for disaster.

Her brows are always furrowed, she appears to cry as much as the tups, she melts down at the drop of the hat...and all of this is completely rationalized or ignored by her parents!! Put that kid in a timeout already!

I don't want to seem like I am picking on an innocent child, but at what time should she be accountable for her own actions? And more importantly, when are her parents going the be accountable for their child's behavior? Do they not know how she is percieved? I am taking a wild guess that the child that was referred to as needing therapy was Mady.

Ginny303 said...

anon said, My husband and I looked at international adoption a few years ago. When the talk of J&K getting a Korean infant, I remembered that most international adoptions had restrictions about the number of children currently in the home. I just went to a Korean adoption website (listed below) which notes that adoptive families cannot have more than 4 children already in the home.
Check it out at http://www.adoptkorea.com/

Hun, I think the reason Kon keeps mentioning it publicly is because they want a private adoption. That way they don't have to worry about foreign adoption policies. (jmo)

Anonymous said...

I can't believe the audacity of these people thinking they will be able to raise an adopted child in that circus they have created. This is very sad. There are so many wonderful and normal potential parents out there that would be much better suited. I do believe when someone adopts a child there are some extra steps needed to ensure that child grows up feeling loved and secure. I can't believe they would have time nor the insight to provide this. I predict if this goes through that poor child will feel very lonely and isolated their entire life. They will be known as the adopted "one". I think adoption is a wonderful way to build a family and should be approached with the respect, dignity and sensitivity it deserves. It should not be used as a new story line for a reality tv show.

EX-BFF said...

I sincerely hope that Kate and Jon are never permitted to adopt a child. I can tell you exactly why Kate wants to adopt a baby and it has nothing to do with the fact that she's never had "just one at a time". The need this baby because the show won't survive without it. Think about it, folks. Think about all the episodes geared around introducing new things into the Gosselin's lives. New footage. New products. New places to go. New activities. New vacations. New Pets. New homes. New wedding vows. If you can name one show where they didn't "try something new", then I will personally send you a ten dollar bill. The producers aren't stupid and neither are Jon and Kate. A "new baby" is the next "new thing".

Additionally, think about Mady and Cara. Ok. Now think about six more of those two. They are gone seven hours a day (unless the Kate and Jon homeschool). They come home; have some dinner; do a few chores; homework; bath; bed. How many shows can you get out of that? It's going to be a lot harder to sell this show when the Gosselins can't travel because eight of their children are in school. You can't shoot confessionals until midnight when you have eight children who need to be fresh and ready at seven o'clock the next morning. Do you want to watch Kate and Jon sit on the couch all day and talk about how their family is a business? Want to watch them plan the next PR tactic or work on their next speech? Maybe we can watch Kate call companies to try and snag lucrative promotional deals?

Do you want to watch that?
I don't. I don't think you care to, either. This leaves a scary path for them to follow. They have to keep it new and they have to keep the access to the children.

Strategy 1: Adopt a baby.
"We finally have just one!" Forget the fact that Jon and Kate are, by most uses of the term, unemployed and completely dependent on their children to draw an income. Forget the fact that that show could be over in a nano-second, leaving them with nine mouths to feed and support. If you can't afford college for eight and need love offerings to survive, should you really ask for one more child? It doesn't matter what groupings they came in. The Gosselins have nine children that, by their own admissions, they can't afford financially, emotionally, or physicallly. How many times has Kate pleaded eight? She's "exhausted", rememeber! She and Jon fight becasuse "the stress of eight" is a trial on their marriage. The eight don't disappear when you bring in number nine. Nine children would tax any couple. Asking for nine when you can't handle eight is irresponsible. Don't even try to justify their ability to handle eight because Kate has taken care of explaining just how unmanagable it is most of the time.

What about the infant? This isn't a sitcom! You can't bring in another child for that fifth season slump. Jon and Kate seem to forget the fact that children shouldn't shoulder the responsibility of supporting the family. What happens to this child who will live in the shadow of the tups? Eight biological children and one child who was born because Kate wanted to know what it was like to have one child. Give me a break. Since when is novelty a good rationale for adopting a real, living and breathing human child? Children aren't products, Kate! Other than having a very well documented childhood, what could the Gosselins possibly offer an infant that couldn't be better served in a home with two parents who are wishing and praying for just one baby to love? The greed here is astounding. If Jon and Kate are allowed to adopt another child, then I will lose all respect for the business of adoption.

Homeschooling. It's going to happen. Kate and Jon have to sell their family. If that means jeopardizing the kids education to get a few more rolls of film out of it, then I suspect they'll take it. What's their alternative? Neither of them plan to work ever again. This is the "family job" remember. The family job must be kept at all costs or "mommy and daddy will have to work and the children will have to go to a horrible place called daycare". Message to Jon and Kate - your children didn't make a decision to continue this show. They were coerced because you cut them off from every outside protection. You made them completely dependent on you and then you threatened to take "you" away from them if they didn't agree to this family job. What do you expect a child to say when presented with this life and that choice?

Moreover, these are children! You offer a four year old child the choice between a red shirt and a blue shirt. You offer eight year olds the choice between soccer and ballet. I would even go so far as to say you offer the children a vote in travel plans. You do not, and never should, give your children a vote about the invasion of their privacy; their safety; and supporting the family you chose to have by giving up both of the above. Be a parent. Take responsibility for the situation you've created. Give your children a childhood instead of seasons 1-infinity available on DVD.

Anonymous said...

Pull --
I think that book will be seen lying around at a lot of yard sales next year...and appearing at a lot of dollar stores, with a black marker slack across the bottom of the pages.

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned Kate going overbord with exercising now. I haven't kept up with the programs recently because I can't bear it. So, I didn't know anything about exercise. I thought all she did was sit in her white chair.
Maybe it's because Jon began going to the gym and looks much better. We can't have the public complimenting Jon, now can we? '-)
Is she supposedly also going to a gym? Wouldn't it be great if she took WALKS with the kids each day?
(even the icky boys)

Anonymous said...

Why does Kate want a Korean baby?
Her children ae only a fraction of Korean descent, therefore, a baby with a full Korean ancestry will not really match her kids.

Anonymous said...

We are quickly approaching the point when ALL of the kids will be in school full time.
That's when Kate and Jon, baby or no baby, will actually see that their weekly program has jumped the shark!

Ilovemykids said...

The more Jon and Kate put themselves "out there", i.e. book tours, tv appearances, magazine articles, the more people will really start to question and wonder what's up with these people?

Anonymous said...

Is there no end to the greed of these people???? They have 8 perfect and healthy children. Now they want to go and adopt a baby "GIRL" from Korea? Just to have the experience of having 1 baby? I am so livid I can hardly stand it. My sister and her husband went through infertility treatments for years. After many failed procedures and numerous miscarriages (one was at 22 weeks), they have decided to try to adopt a baby. This couple wants a baby more than anything in the world. They used up all of their savings going through the infertility treatments and now do not have the $25,000 for a foreign adoption. Because KON has been expoiting their own children, they have all the money in the world and with all of their fame, they will probably have their "GIRL" before my sister and brother in law would even be considered. There is definately something wrong with people who cannot just be happy with what they have. They must be very unhappy to have to keep searching for more when everything they have is right there in front of them. Also, the fact of them needing all of the matching cribs - are you kidding me?????? How greedy can you be? Was having the matching cribs worth losing the relationship with your parents over (or your kids relationship with their grandparents?) Don't even get me started on them NEEDING a bigger house. My aunt and uncle had 9 children in 12 years and raised them in a 3 bedroom bungalow. The kids are all grown now and my aunt and uncle still live in that same house. You have never met a closer knit family. Again, what are Jon and Kate searching for? MORE, MORE, MORE! I took the show off of my TIVO - it was just too uncomfortable to watch anymore.

Christine said...

There is a blog being written by William (Pennmommy's son) if you all want to read it:

http://willsjonah.blogspot.com/

Thought I'd pass it along.

Anonymous said...

As an international adoptive mother, when children first arrive they need extra care and patience. Parents need to spend lots and lots of time to help the children. I don't see this happening in the J/K household. This is simply not fair to child. Then there is the potential of the other children making the adoptive child feel like a "second class citizen". All of these problems can be overcome provided the child is provided a secure and loving home environment.

AmandaT said...

CantStopWatchingThisTrainWreck - I see your point here about Mady. She is most definitely showing signs of maladjustment. Yet I don't think the answer is to punish her. KON punish her frequently for expressing her feelings, and they silence her often whenever she states an opinion. She is frustrated that she does not get the attention she needs, and that no one listens to her. She is told to stuff her feelings and act happy.
The problem is in the parents. They are either overly strict or simply ignore the kids.
The answer to the problem is not to punish her more, but to allow her some privacy, allow her to have a normal life, and to have parents who are present and consistent.
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like any of that is every going to happen.

Terry said...

Thanks Christine. It was a lovely tribute to Jason. PM's sons seem like wonderful people.

Anonymous said...

I sure hope you're wrong about future home schooling! I don't think either parent has the ability. Then again, they could hire someone as the teacher. That would leave the house and kids available for filming.
I honestly think that she thinks she can secure enough commercials, spokeswoman opportunities, etc...to carry them through financially after the kids are at school.
I'm sure her intention is to get such a young newborn that that extra learning/bonding time isn't a problem. And I'm sure she is talking about it so that some family who ADORES the show will come to the decision to relinquish their mixed race baby to her. It may be through that hospital where she used to be employed. That would be quick.
I think the BEST thing to happen to all of the kids is school. Imagine the thrill of interacting with other children, making messy crafts, being acknowledged daily by the teachers, etc... I think robbing them of that would be unforgivable.
I also think that Kate needs to VOLUNTEER her time to babysit someone single baby to satisfy that need. I truly think that would be a poor choice for someone to relinquish their baby to that family. Oh, such future horrors!

Anonymous said...

Going back to the cookbook, I find it hillarious that Kate wants people to think her recipes are her own. I've seen more than half of them on all recipes.

Anonymous said...

Would it be possible for there to be a new show once a month, instead of 4-8 a month? Or, they could do two a month for say four months at a time then take a two or three month break. They would still be bringing in a good, solid income. That's 780K a year, still a darn good, very comfortable lifestyle. I also think that would give an anticipation factor, people would be excited to watch them. I think now they're on SO much that a new episode is no longer a big deal. Besides, it seems to me that they do one interesting thing a month anyway. I think cameras a week a month would be much healthier for everyone. Kate, if you're reading this, you don't have to completely give it all up.

Addison said...

One topic I remember reading about on TwOP and some other sites that I don't think has been brought up in much detail here (from what I have seen) is Leah's throwing up.

J and K tell us in one episode (the Disipline on maybe?) that Leah has been throwing up at least once a day since she was two years old - meaning, she has been doing it every day for two years!

Kate also mentioned that she believed the vomiting could be a form of acting out on Leah's part (she described her as "a tiny controller") and that she can stop it any time she wants. Personally, I think it's more likely a response to stress of dealing with the cameras and her family. Whatever the case may be, the fact that she is vomiting so much is disturbing - and can't be good for her health in the long run. What are other opinions regading Leah's problem?

Anonymous said...

A cookbook? With recipes, which people shouldn't have to follow, if they are real cooks?

Hillarously hillarous!

Anonymous said...

Christine --
Thank you for directing us to the blog.

Anonymous said...

In watching the Birmingham speaking engagement, I am struck by how very clearly Kate does not give a carp about the people who have flocked to see her. I think we all know in normal conversation if someone makes reference to a death, a serious illness, the polite thing to do is murmur "I'm so sorry" or something to that effect. Kate has no reaction whatsoever when audience members share these aspects of their own lives, but Jon does seem to give a small nod of empathy.

Also, the woman who asked her a question and said she had 12 (15, 20, however many kids) Kate gave her no props or even reacted to that statement. Again, in normal conversation you would say something minor to acknowledge this. Esp. Kate who has been down half of the road that this other woman, you think she would say god bless you girlfriend, you ought to be the one up here on stage not me! Or something light and laughable like that.

It's sooooo all about Kate.

Anonymous said...

We all know Kon never met a freebie they didn't like. My question is: would they turn down free marriage counseling?

quietlyconcerned said...

Re: Leah's vomiting etc.

The kids exhibit classic signs of being stressed: vomiting, fighting, hitting, biting, "feeling nervous", sleep disorders, detachment (you know how Colin zones out), outbursts, tantrums, whining (remember Joel's constant under the breath whining or moaning?)-- stress.

It is sad that the parents would not address these things. It could even be interpreted as neglectful. Stress makes people sick. Being constantly watched, filmed, on-the-move is stressful.

Anonymous said...

Aside from that, does anyone else find it a little strange that Leah always talks about how she likes being "little?" I don't want to read too much into it but it sounds like a potential eating disorder in the making...

Anonymous said...

Re: Leah's vomiting etc.

The kids exhibit classic signs of being stressed: vomiting, fighting, hitting, biting, "feeling nervous", sleep disorders, detachment (you know how Colin zones out), outbursts, tantrums, whining (remember Joel's constant under the breath whining or moaning?)-- stress.

It is sad that the parents would not address these things. It could even be interpreted as neglectful. Stress makes people sick. Being constantly watched, filmed, on-the-move is stressful.

If J & K openly addressed the above issues they would be acknowledging the fact their decision to do
a reality tv show does have a negative impact on the children. Their acknowledgement would proove all the 'naysayers' to be correct in that forcing them to appear on reality tv show is not in the best interest of the physical, emotional, and mental well being of the children. Furthermore, it would disrupt the illusion that ALL the children are in agreement that they wish to pursue the 'family business'. IMO, For the time being, J & K find it far more beneficial monetarily and otherwise to disregard these obvious signs and symptoms in their children as opposed to doing the right thing by them.

westmemphisgirl said...

Posted on Savvydaddy.com by anon
to counter the positive J&K attitude. Pretty good.


Let's remember people it's a circus that exploits children for money. You guys love that? This is the childrens reality and their LIFE, CAMERAS 3 to 4 days a week. Sad.. It's kind of like the old time side shows that people would line up blocks to see. Please be mature and don't help in the demise of these children's childhood. Jon and Kate claim this is the "family job" for 2 eight year olds and 6 four year olds. THE FAMILY JOB!!

YOUR "ENJOYMENT" IS COMING OFF THE BACKS OF CHILDREN" Why is it not ok, then, to work children in other countries for your enjoyment of "shoes, shirts and other articles of clothing" and yet you condone this.

The conditions may be better, but still the same premise.

I have nothing to say about parenting styles or "freebies" just that by way these tiny children are being exploited and each person who "religiously" watches the show has just put their stamp of approval, knowingly or not, on CHILD EXPLOITATION.

I'm glad you and your family enjoy watching tv together and think they are a real family. How wonderful!! How can anyone be a real family when the cameras track your every move and that of your childrens. How would you like to know that your children would grow up and go to school and get teased about your mom taking pictures of your "poop" with you standing beside it for MONEY????

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Aside from that, does anyone else find it a little strange that Leah always talks about how she likes being "little?" I don't want to read too much into it but it sounds like a potential eating disorder in the making...


Good point. Leah gets affection for being "little". Not only for her, but that worries me about Alexis. What will happen if she comes to see that she gets cuddled for being "little", even children as young as six or seven can start having issues with their weight issues. A seven-year-old who's already consious of her weight is a sign of danger.

Anonymous said...

Just was over at "Kate is a Shrew." They put up this link and it is totally hilarious. It's irreverant, so be prepared....

http://www.diariesoftheprofessor.com/

Anonymous said...

RE:westmemphisgirl said...
Let's remember people it's a circus that exploits children for money. You guys love that? This is the childrens reality and their LIFE, CAMERAS 3 to 4 days a week. Sad.. It's kind of like the old time side shows that people would line up blocks to see. Please be mature and don't help in the demise of these children's childhood. Jon and Kate claim this is the "family job" for 2 eight year olds and 6 four year olds. THE FAMILY JOB!!

I agree with the you. People are so enthralled with these children. It seems like fans view these children like they are cute little monkies in a cage there to perform for the viewers personal enjoyment. Only difference is their cage is their home. Kon and Figure 8 are the zoo keepers. TLC is the one that owns the zoo.

quietlyconcerned said...

Incidentally, I no longer watch the show. No new ones, no reruns. I cannot stomach it, and I feel guilty watching. I hate even the idea of a suffering child, and I think these kids are suffering.

Anonymous said...

"We all know Kon never met a freebie they didn't like. My question is: would they turn down free marriage counseling?"

Or how about some free parenting classes? I'd pay for those.

Anonymous said...

10/20/08
9:00pm
Baseball Game with Daddy

Since when did this family become baseball fans? Do you know how many die hard baseball families would love the opportunity to spend a day at the ball park courtesy of a Phillie's manager invite!!! J & K take it one step further by insulting America's favorite pastime!!

Anonymous said...

Wonder if the PR person dreamed up the line about adopting so they would know what it is like to just have one? It seems to fit with the line about having the tups shich is now immortalized on the show's intro.

Two reasons Kate wants to adopt a baby instead of having another one:

1) Preserve the tummy tuck.

2) Keep the gravy train chugging along.

That's it. End of story. Kate doesn't even like the eight she already has - why would she want to experience one more?

Anonymous said...

THere's a new entry up on Julie's blog.

truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

One of the posters over on the Etown Topix blog said that Kate wants to beat her sister to be the first to get the Korean child through international adoption. Sounds like Kate's sister is trying to adopt internationally as well. If so, which one is it, I wonder?
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/elizabethtown-pa/T7P6Q6M99II0C2SM2/p6

iluveeyore said...

Kate's sister Clairissa is planning to adopt a girl from China. However, you need to be 30 years old to adopt, and her sister is about 26 right now.

Anonymous said...

I just found a great article all about kate and why/how she is no longer in contact with them I hope its ok to post it here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1124348/board/thread/119038992&#8207

Anonymous said...

In respone to: "One of the posters over on the Etown Topix blog said that Kate wants to beat her sister to be the first to get the Korean child through international adoption. "

Typical Kate mentality.

Mom on the Run said...

I think the producers are now dredging for places for the family to visit. Let's see we've seen pottery painting, golf, Sesame Place, zoo, rollerskating, hershey Choc. World, farm, horsebackriding, Sight and Sound, to name a few.

What next J&K Plus 8 become Amish for a day. Visit the post office to get stamps. Go to the accountant for their taxes. Attend an HOA meeting. Seriously the show needs to end.

The children are getting older and more aware of the cameras. My kids are very embarassed/self-conscious when I try to film them doing anything either up close or from a distance. I tell them that I only film soccer games, school events, and possibly cute things around the house. There is no need to have a minute-by-minute filming of their lives.

Back in the beginning on one of the shows where J&K describe how they got on TV, both mentioned making a videotape, which they sent around to TV companies. The couple hoped to record their children's lives because they were too busy to do it themselves.

Enough is enough. The experiment must end.

Anonymous said...

One of the posters over on the Etown Topix blog said that Kate wants to beat her sister to be the first to get the Korean child through international adoption. Sounds like Kate's sister is trying to adopt internationally as well. If so, which one is it, I wonder?
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/elizabethtown-pa/T7P6Q6M99II0C2SM2/p6
I didn't go to the link but yes Clarissa was the one that blogged about having to chose between person A and B in her life but it was clear it was her parents and Kate. She choose her parents. So we can add petty revenge to a reason to adopt? Not that it would surprise me but I hope not.

Barb said...

Does anyone have a Wikipedia account? I would love to see the entry updated. Their appearance on Regis and Kelly can be added.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_%26_Kate_Plus_8

Anonymous said...

ThreeFarmers said...
I love free discussion almost as much as I love free Juicy Juice.



comment of the week

Anonymous said...

Just clicking around tonight and stumbled upon the TLC web page for J&K Plus 8. Had not checked it in a while. I noticed that Alexis and Joel are in the foreground of the photo with the other kids behind them. Isn't it interesting that the two most marginalized children are in the most prominent position?

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/jon-and-kate/jon-and-kate.html

Anonymous said...

The Gosselins are fricking idiots if they think people can't see thru them. Perhaps we should give Kudos to those family members who want nothing to do with their dog and pony show! Jon and Kate are the cream of the crap - no doubt about it! I quit watching their show because it is such a farce as is TLC and Discovery!

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate adopting?! It smells like yet another publicity stunt to make themselves look good...but it just makes things worse, IMO.

quietlyconcerned said...

I want to also say that it must be a terrible conflict to have such ambitions, the way Kate does, paired with her obvious mediocrity.

She is not talented. She is not clever. She is only run-of-the-mill in the looks department.

All attempts to show off her culinary skills only highlight what a light-weight she is. Sure she uses organic peanut butter. Sure that monkey munch is organic!

Money-saving tips from Kate? Nothing original there. Lunch recipes from Kate? The Moosewood cookbook did it better 30 years ago.

All the plastic surgery and PR firms in the world cannot disguise the fact that Kate does not have "it." So she exploits her children, her family, the one thing unusual and outstanding in her life. She basks in their reflected glory; but is she fooling herself by thinking the spotlight is on her?

Anonymous said...

My sisters husband works in the Phillies front office. Go Phils! They were approached by Figure 8 and asked if the Phillies would be interested in accomandating Jon and the boys for a game and to a behind the scenes look at the ball park. Charlie Manual the manager of the Phillies is a great guy and a grandfatherly type guy so of course he was willing to get involved. Also, several of the Phillies wives do watch the show and so that also was a motivation for the Phillies to get involved, along with some free public service type exposure, which of course the Phillies do on a regular basis. The OP was correct, as the Phillies get requests all the time from Children's Hospital and other groups for behind the scenes look see at the ballpark and meet players but, for the most part die hard fans never get that opportunity. I have never seen Jon and Kate, who live in my area, ever even refer to watching the Phillies, Flyers, Sixers or Eagles. The only referance I have ever seen was when Joel went to the Hands On House, Jon pointed out an Eagles jersey that was in the dress uop room. I am sure Jon and his crew got great seats (comps) food (comps) merchandise (comp) and other freebies. They also got their name on the scoreboard. My family of five and I went to one of the playoff games last week and between tix, parking and food spent over $450 for one night out at the ole ball game. It was worth it however, the Phils won!

Anonymous said...

Okay, regarding the whole adoption thing. Are KON actually adopting from Korea to help another child or just to add to their already crazy publicity stunts? I just read an article in an older People magazine (I think it was from September) about Steven Curtis Chapman. He adopted 3 girls from China (sadly, one was killed in an accident). The Chapmans set up a charitable organization to help other people who can't afford foreign adoption, to adopt from China. Why doesn't KON do that with Korean babies? There are many wonderful couples out there who would love to have just even 1 child, but for whatever circumstances cannot. These people also may not be able to afford the outrageous costs of foreign adoption. KON can do so much good by starting a fund for couples who would love to adopt but cannot afford the costs involved (they obviously have enough money to do that now). It's a win-win. They already have 8 children, why not help another couple who don't have any children and at the same time help a child from Korea who needs a home? What do you think Jon???? This could be your opportunity to help OTHER people (remember all those people that helped your family when you needed it?) The Chapmans are Christians also, but the difference between them and KON are that they actually walk the walk".

Anonymous said...

I will never watch that farce of a reality show again. I will never purchase anything that I've seen on sites from sponsors of the show. This is America at its worst. Exploiting these kids because the parents are too stupid not to object and, in fact, are profiting by it makes me sick. How dare this couple pretend to be a role model for anyone and how dare TLC push this couple of scam artists as role models for anyone? There is a war on, our country is in serious financial trouble and everyone is feeling the pinch of that. And in the face of those things these two nonworking baby machines are the newest and greatest thing on TV? Something is definitely wrong here. Shame on them and the producers, sponsors and supporters of their awful show.

Anonymous said...

anonymous said: Good point. Leah gets affection for being "little". Not only for her, but that worries me about Alexis. What will happen if she comes to see that she gets cuddled for being "little", even children as young as six or seven can start having issues with their weight issues. A seven-year-old who's already conscious of her weight is a sign of danger.

I doubt it will help that Kate fixates on Jon's weight. Kids pick up on that. My sister is obsessed with her weight and she is always on a diet, which she then makes her husband go on because otherwise she doesn't think it's fair. She's not overweight. She's not out of shape. Neither is her husband. But it's the way she is; she can always be smaller. Now her ten-year-old son is always asking about calorie content and saying he's getting fat and needs to watch what he eats.

So it works both ways... both the boys and the girls are going to be more susceptible to eating disorders with parents who fixate on weight and physical appearance.

Anonymous said...

quietlyconcerned said...
I want to also say that it must be a terrible conflict to have such ambitions, the way Kate does, paired with her obvious mediocrity.

She is not talented. She is not clever. She is only run-of-the-mill in the looks department.

I agree. As for her recipes and pending cook book. Please. Kate couldnt even prepare a simple veggie stir fry without the assistance of Sara Snow.

Anonymous said...

I live in Orlando and we got the flyer in the Sunday newspaper about the Southern Womens Show next week. It stated KON would have a Q&A session. Do you think anyone would have the nerve to ask them why they are pimping out their kids for a living in front of Mady and Cara?

I am looking forward to the book coming out to see how they handle the whole Beth thing since she is co-author and her absence. I bet Beth could just gag now about all the wonderful things she said about Kon in the book and what wonderful Christian people they are etc. etc. etc.

Anonymous said...

I live in Orlando and we got the flyer in the Sunday newspaper about the Southern Womens Show next week. It stated KON would have a Q&A session. Do you think anyone would have the nerve to ask them why they are pimping out their kids for a living in front of Mady and Cara?

In Birmingham, it was reported that the Q&A was an open forum - the powers that be did take a chance that Southern Hospitality would prevail and Jon and Kate would not be asked "embarassing" questions.

I wonder if they will be lucky this week.

Anonymous said...

Kate is wanting to parade kids around like paris hilton parades dogs. Kate... Do NOT ADOPT the poor child from Korea. It is a living breathing person and will need lots of love and attention, which you have shown you cant even give to your own kids.

RealPhilliesPhan said...

Regarding the post about this Phillies, that makes me sick! My husband, son, daughter and I are HUGE Phillies fans, and it's not small effort on our part when we purchase tickets, pay for parking, and buy food, souveniers, etc. at the ballpark. I'm very disappointed that the Phillies front office would grant VIP access to this bunch of scam artists, who probably couldn't give a hoot that the Phillies just won their division championship! Give the tours and VIP treatment to Make A Wish kids, or some other charitable kids' organization, and let the Gosselins buy their own tickets like everyone else. When my daughter was three years old she could name the starting line-up, I doubt any of those boys even know who Ryan Howard is...errrr!

Anonymous said...

i almost wonder if we stop blogging about them whether it will expedite the departure of the shrew and the balless wonder - the horrific PR firms just want people talking and we are giving them exactly what they want?? stop watching for sure and blogging i am open to opinions on that

cincymom said...

When I see the promos for the photo day for Good Housekeeping, the narrator's voice is getting on my nerves. It's all folksy, like "gosh, those fun Gosselins are at it again..."

Of course kids are crying, they do it in all homes. I get that. But this show just amplifies it because it is shown in all these homes across America. And poor Mady, she is just like, do I really have to do another one? Why should she? Oh, yeah. It's the family "business."

Anonymous said...

RealPhilliesPhan said...
Regarding the post about this Phillies, that makes me sick! My husband, son, daughter and I are HUGE Phillies fans, and it's not small effort on our part when we purchase tickets, pay for parking, and buy food, souveniers, etc. at the ballpark. I'm very disappointed that the Phillies front office would grant VIP access to this bunch of scam artists, who probably couldn't give a hoot that the Phillies just won their division championship! Give the tours and VIP treatment to Make A Wish kids, or some other charitable kids' organization, and let the Gosselins buy their own tickets like everyone else. When my daughter was three years old she could name the starting line-up, I doubt any of those boys even know who Ryan Howard is...errrr!

THANK YOU ! I agree 100% The Gosselin children barely knew what a golf club was I highly doubt Jon or the boys are such die hard baseball fans that they would even begin to appreciate what has actually been offered to them. The Phillies, and the sport of baseball in general certainly do NOT need the Gosselin family and their reality show to keep fans interested!!! My question is, will Jon and the boys be 'rubbing elbows' with all the 'working class' fans, or watch from the manager's box like fair weather fans and pretend they are interested? I also agree on the cost of attending a ball game. A baseball game is probably the one entertainment event that is still considered affordable to the working class. Such a shame that their are die hard baseball families that would appreciate and love a VIP opportunity !!!

Anonymous said...

I found a statement made by "Peter Brady" from the Brady Bunch (Christopher Knight) regarding being a child start that I thought applied to the Gosselin situation and wanted to share it:

"Though, I do believe that it's troubling for any kid to be given that much attention only to have it taken away. That's going to be a problem. If that child truly becomes addicted to that attention and believes they are deserving of that attention and not recognizing that it's capricious and not going to be here forever, the day that it ends is the day they'll go off the deep end."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/celebritology/2008/09/catching_up_with_christopher_k.html

Paula S said...

She is only run-of-the-mill in the looks department.

However, she is getting better looking with each round of plastic surgery. ALLEGEDLY!

Anonymous said...

RE: the Phillies Game

I'm SURE that for that epi, Jon and the boys will be the most loyal, die hard Phillies fans around, and will graciously accept free Phillies caps, signed balls, etc.....

I wonder if the camping equipment and golf clubs were sold at their recent yard sale......they would have received some good money since they were only used once.....

Anonymous said...

"I am looking forward to the book coming out to see how they handle the whole Beth thing since she is co-author and her absence. I bet Beth could just gag now about all the wonderful things she said about Kon in the book and what wonderful Christian people they are etc. etc. etc."
My suggestion to all those interested in buying J & K (and Beth's) book, especially all you mothers; take the money you would spend on the book and by yourself a 'RARE TREAT', put it towards the family rainy day or vacation fund, or better yet, add it to your 'spare change' jar like Kate suggests in her smart budget tips.
IMO, I would never spend one cent of my hard earned $$ in a show of support for these two greedy, self absorbed, child exploiting,part time Christian full time scam artists.

ThreeFarmers said...

Seriously, I don't blame Jon for taking some of the kids to a Phillies game. That's how die hard fans are made.

Those little kids deserve to see a game just as much as any other die hard fan. I think every kid should have the opportunity to spend some time at the ballpark. Ok, so it sucks that they get it for free, but they get everything for free. That's nothing new. But the argument that they are somehow less deserving than "die hard" fans is nonsense. If only die hard fans attended games, then new fans would never get the opportunity to become die hard fans.

I was raised to believe that my blood ran red because I was the daughter of a Cardinal fan. I used to go with my Dad to games and we would sit in the bleacher seats. I can still feel the crunch of peanut shells under my feat.

Oh, and by the way, Ryan Howard is a St. Louis boy. I'm jus' sayin'.

Anonymous said...

Re: Korean Adoption

Close friends of mine adopted a child from Korea years ago. The child came with a "clean bill of health" but shortly after the adoption was finalized, presented with numerous medical problems. After years of treatments and surgeries the teen years came along, bringing with them behavioral problems, drugs, smoking and an out of wedlock pregnancy.

Often adopted children have needs that run above and beyond those of biological children. I am an adoptive mother myself so I know whereof I speak.

I'm not sure (no I AM sure) that the Gosselin parents are not equipped (willing or able) to deal with any real issues that might come along with that little Korean baby girl they are dreaming about.

I pray it doesn't happen...for her sake and the sake of the 8 others.

Anonymous said...

3F-
Your perspective is sound, for NORMAL folks. Of course the G kids deserve a baseball (or any other team sport) game - it often is a great part of childhood. However, we all know that KON do nothing for their kids unless it is a freebie to promote another upcoming episode.

IMHO, this baseball game for "memories" is the same as the yard sale for charity. The ends do not justify the means.

RealPhilliesPhan said...

Ok, 3F, you're right. I'm just annoyed over their lack of appreciation, mostly on J & K's part, and the kids are being raised to expect everything handed to them without any gratitude whatsoever. If Jon wants to take his boys to a game, why not just take them without turning it into an "episode?" Of course, that might require shelling out for the tickets himself. I hope they become lifelong fans, and develop a great appreciation for the game, although highly unlikely considering who they have for parents. I'm sure the Phillies do a lot with Make a Wish, and Children's Miracle Network, IMO those organizations are a lot more deserving.

Anonymous said...

I don't think we should be so hard on the Phillies unless we know for sure that they comped the tickets, souvenirs, etc. I know most of their destinations do this, but maybe TLC/Figure 8 still pay for some if J&K suggest things for an episode they want to do. You never know.

Anonymous said...

After reading all of the info on here about the phillies game, it has pushed more butons than I knew I had. I am not a sports fan, however aren't the phillies in PA? The Kons are not a charity or any more special than anyone else. They certianly can pay their own way like other families
do everday. So figure 8 calls for
freebies and receives.

Don't you guys think the nice manager and wives should be made aware of the Kons and their rude comments made about PA? I am sure they are very giving to real charities, and the Kons aren't one.

I think seeing Jon and the kids at
the game decked out head to toe in
Phillies gear will be stomach turning. Think of real underprivilged children that are true baseball fans that may never
see a game. The Kons can pay their
own way. This by far isn't the worse they have done, but for some
reason this one frosts me. Thank you for letting me vent.
Cheryl

Anonymous said...

I agree about the people of PA being upset. J&K talked when they were in NC about how much there was to do there....what is there to do in PA?...Look at barns and silos?...or some such inane remark.

They have done so many "free or gratis" activities in Pa and thereabouts and they haven't even scratched the surface. And now they're taking on the pro sports teams.

So in NC you can look at wild horses-but make the kids stay in the Jeep and show Hannie a pic on your digital camera, Kate. Or you can go to a lighthouse-but Kate is afraid to walk up in it so she can stay below and make Mady and Hannie share her fears. Or you can go to the beach where Kate is afraid of every creature there including the sand and the waves. Wonder how long it will take till she is complaining how HOT she is? Hot and exhausted-what a combination. She'll need a harem of Aisan guys in loin cloths fanning her with palm leaves.

Anonymous said...

Access Hollywood is about to do a segment on J&K+8's photo shoot.

Anonymous said...

Besides the usual stuff that annoys me with any freebie that this family gets, the Phillys game episode is once again reinforcing idiotic gender stereotypes. Only boys enjoy baseball? Or have only boys been encouraged to watch baseball - if they have at all.

What's ironic and ridiculous is that it's so clear that the chief executive of that family is Kate - scarcely a traditional female role. But when it comes to sports, this family is insistent on some 1950s sitcom gender roles.

Anonymous said...

I don't think they sell organic hotdogs at the Citizens Bank Ballpark in Philly. And you can't take any food or drinks in.
They must have sat in a private box. I can't imagine 3 4year olds sitting thru a 9 inning game!

sis said...

I am coming in late on this, I am sure, but I just saw that Shirley Riggs and her 4 children were found safe and sound in Washington State, due to an astute TV viewer who noticed something amiss and called police. Bottom line, SHE GOT INVOLVED for the sake of some kids in danger. Good on ya, Mrs. Olympia Washington!

Chris said...

Personally, I think the boys are a little young to appreciate baseball. I do think the twins are the perfect age. I was about 4, maybe 5 for my first game---1 inning played and then a rainout. They tell me that I told my dad that I had a great time and asked when we could do it again. Nothing like semi-pro ball for introducing a kid to the game. Once the kid is bored they can start running around and if things get too out of hand you can always leave. And the price was right---free.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I don't think they sell organic hotdogs at the Citizens Bank Ballpark in Philly. And you can't take any food or drinks in.
They must have sat in a private box. I can't imagine 3 4year olds sitting thru a 9 inning game!

IMO, If the Gosselin children were kept isolated within the confines of the manager's box , they did not get to enjoy the full on experience of attending a baseball game. The best part of attending a baseball game is sharing in the enthusiasm of the fans, cheering on your favorite player(s), singing along to the song 'Take Me Out to The Ball Game, witnessing thousands of Americans standing proud as the National Anthem plays, being among other little boys and girls sitting on the edge of their seat baseball mit in hand anxiously waiting a foul ball, to name a few. Sadly,their first baseball game experience wasnt about the love of the game or what it truly represents, but all for the sake of the show.

Anonymous said...

Why couldn't they take all the kids to a local minor league game in their own area? Those little kids do not know who the Phillies are!!!!! Why does everything have to be over the top like that? The kids would enjoy sitting there at a minor league game eating hotdogs, wearing baseball caps and just getting a kick out of being outside and having a fun day. What the f*ck is wrong with these people?

Anonymous said...

OK. I apologize. I wrote this rather than watch the current episode.


Six years in the future. Somewhere in North Carolina

Jon (coming in the house): OK, kids. Mom’s home with the new octuplets! Everybody get over here.

Kate (entering the house): Hello! Welcome your new sisters—all eight of them.

Teen Nanny Marylou (enters huffing and puffing, carrying eight babies): I’m trapped out here in the middle of nowhere. I should have escaped while I could.

Kate (flaps arms): Everybody grab a baby. You now have a buddy. Sort ‘em out. You have to deal with them. Make some memories. I’m on bed rest for the next six years.

A twin: A buddy? Isn’t that like the other show? The prairie woman who has 30 kids and they all raise each other.

Kate: Quiet. We don’t talk about the competition in this house. Start changing diapers. North Carolina won’t give us a baby nurse. This state’s cheaper than Pennsylvania! We have to settle for Teen Nanny Marylou.

A ‘tup: Why do you have to stay in bed? You didn’t have the babies. You hired Yoojin to have them. That nice Korean lady. She’s dead now. Her tummy exploded.

Kate: Never mind. Figure Eight took care of that. What’s important is that I’m the mommy so I’m the star. Jon, call that plastic surgeon that gave me the tummy tuck. I need some tweaking.

Jon. Huh? OK. Whatever.

Teen Nanny Marylou: Ok, kids. Line up for a buddy. Here’s little Proctor. And little Gamble. This is little Gymboree. And little Gap. Somebody take little JuicyJuice.

A ‘tup girl (interrupts): Yuck. Those are girl names?

Kate: (snarling) The names don’t matter. We have to keep our sponsors happy. They’re the people who love us. Haven’t you noticed!

A’tup boy: How did we get eight sisters? Why no boys?

Jon: Mom wanted girls, and the doctors know better than to argue. Anyway, Yoojin didn’t speak any English. It worked out well.

Kate: Being a new mother is so exhausting. But think of the media attention. Three sets of multiples! We’re set for the next five years. Oh, I’m going to make a wish list. We need lots of new stuff.

A twin: We don’t need more stuff. We sure don’t need more kids.

Kate (loud voice): Have any of you checked our ratings lately? You kids aren’t little and cute anymore. We had to do something. You don’t expect your father and me to get jobs, do you?

A ‘tup girl: Mommy, I thought you were going to adopt a baby from Korea. One baby!

Kate: We tried, but that nasty Kim Jong Il wouldn’t let us have one.

Jon: (mumbles): South Korea, Kate. I told you we needed to go to South Korea.

Babies start screaming.

Kate: (hands over ears). Ok, I’m going to my private suite and soak in my spa tub. Take care of these babies. Also, I want an organic lunch in 30 minutes. Somebody mop the kitchen.

A ‘tup boy: Jon and Kate and sixteen. It doesn’t even rhyme.

A twin: I’m calling Dr, Phil.

Rachel said...

I seriously wonder if any reputable adoption agency will agree to work with the Gosselins. I'm guessing that adoption agencies will tell them they have too many kids to adopt another one.

Anonymous said...

Actually, lots of toddlers sit through full baseball games.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a jealous person, the Gosselins are now rich and that's fantastic for them. However, now that people know the're making good money, why must they still pull this "poor me" stuff? It's time for them to shut those big mouths about their finances.

Anonymous said...

Most of prime tickets for baseball games are reserved for corporations and giving out for free to clients. In fact that is the chief complaint about the New Yankee stadium. The tickets are going to be so high that a normal family won't be able to afford them. So only corporations will be able to purchase them and give them out as freebies. So come on how the Gosselins are insulting America's pastime. It's been like that for years because of big corporations.

Anonymous said...

I find it difficult to believe that this couple just recently became so self centered, and money hungry. They didnt change overnight. Didn't the disagreement between Kate and her father happen 4 years ago, over cribs. Was she not crying poor mouth when seeking Medicaid at the same time even though they inherited a great sum of money from Jon's father that passed away the saem year. Why didn't someone say something then. Why do churches that consider one of the commandments regarding having no graven images allow them to sell there signed image for $20.00. When Kate melted down on the plane during the Utah trip, then recovered almost miraculously in time for the spa Beth was there. Did she not see Kate for what she was, how she was? Why enable her further by helping author a book. Why is no talk show host willing to ask the difficult questions. Why did Figure 8 even ask Kate for her opinion on paying Jodi and Beth. Why not say we have to pay them and thats it. If you dont like it, tough. Why doesnt the state of PA require them to pay back any funds under Medicaid like they would a person that received benefits and then passed away. If Kate wants to say there are no college funds then the state should not make her out to be a liar and dissolve these accounts and post the money to an account to reimburse the state for any medical assistance they received. Jon and Kate and this show seem to be a train with the engineer fallen asleep on the throttle full speed ahead and nothing but a collision will stop the madness. Maybe thats the engineering position he is referring to, ie train. Why cant the die hard J & K lovers see the obvious lies being told from one week to the next. Jon says his mom remarried and while she is close distance wise she is busy. This is used as an excuse why she is not around. Then later in print he says she lives an hour away. I feel for these children that seem very unhappy. Why can't they see the sadness in their childrens expressions and how just a hug brings a smile. Finally the notion that a 4yr old still needing a nap answers questions about the families future and is even sought for answers is absurd. Please, some of us were born at night, just not last night. J & K your children need you more than America needs to see your children on TV.

Anonymous said...

Because the producers KNOW that if Kate threw a fit, saying that she was shutting down filming, they wouldn't be able to complete their filming.
She would break a contract and think about it later.
(Although the producers should know by now, that it would be a threat, because she won't be able to handle non-fame.)

Anonymous said...

"Teen Nanny Marylou: Ok, kids. Line up for a buddy. Here’s little Proctor. And little Gamble. This is little Gymboree. And little Gap. Somebody take little JuicyJuice."

I laughed 'til the JuicyJuice squirted out of my nose!

Anonymous said...

how mad do you think it makes that TLC now shows other families with several kids who are able to handle the day to day situations so much better then the gosselins, without constantly asking for handouts, while being so functional.

Shocked In NY said...

I am so happy to have found this blog. I originally tuned into J&K this past summer and enjoyed catching the marathons late night after work.

I watched solely for the cuteness of the children, J&K always appeared to have an unhealthy relationship when they were on screen.

After a while, it started to bother me how Kate belittles Jon and is so cold to the children at times. Even worse is his acceptance of her intolerable behavior - it started to make me sick after a while.

Now that I have read the blog of Jodi's sister, I am just shocked at how deranged Jon and Kate really are. I adore those kids like most viewers of the show and sincerely hope J&K can be stopped very shortly.

I will be doing my part by not tuning into the show and writing the sponsors to tell them I intend to cease purchasing their products until they cease alignment with this show.

It is such a shame that people would feel comfortable exploiting their own offspring for personal benefit.

Jon strikes me as a guy who never got to grow up and would probably be a better man if he had taken a few years of living single before marrying Kate.

It is very clear that she wears the pants in the marriage and calls the shots. I know women like Kate and they need to be forcefully stood up to.

This woman is not going to go down without a fight, and Jon will continue to be her attack dog. I feel for the innocent children they are bringing down with them.

RealPhilliesPhan said...

"Why couldn't they take all the kids to a local minor league game in their own area?"

Good point. The Phillies have a farm team in Reading...The Reading Phillies. It's a great, minor league ballpark and would have been a nice place to take the boys, but like you said, it has to be over the top, nothing less for the Gosselins. For those who think that 4 year olds wouldn't sit through a game, not true. My kids have been going since they were babies. My son was 18 months old for his first game. We put the ticket stub and the box score from the paper in his baby book, because we make memories the old fashioned way.

Rosey in Washington said...

I was on the "Gosselin 10" website last night, which is the Gosselins official website, and I was just browsing through everything. Well, I had never noticed this before but has anyone seen the "Devotionals" section? Here is what is said:

Romans 12:21 NIV Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

This verse is very fitting right now. I heard it on the way to church this morning while listening to a kids' Steve Green CD 'Hide 'em in Your Heart' with my family. We always listen to music on the hour long drive on Sunday mornings. This verse jumped out at us so much so that we listened again!


Right now, there are so many opportunities for us to repay evil with evil but we refuse. And it hasn't been easy to keep our mouths shut, but it's what God is asking us to do. Continue to overcome evil with good. Things like love, prayers, and kindness instead of retaliation and exposure.


We pray that we make wise decisions and pray they we are able to submerse ourselves in God's word so that we make wise word choices. And above all, never lose sight of the love we need to have for those around us...neighbors, strangers and family alike no matter what!
We are works in progress and that's what we are working on now....repaying good for evil.....

That was the end of what was written. I find that so interesting.

ThreeFarmers said...

We pray that we make wise decisions and pray they we are able to submerse ourselves in God's word so that we make wise word choices. And above all, never lose sight of the love we need to have for those around us...neighbors, strangers and family alike no matter what!
We are works in progress and that's what we are working on now....repaying good for evil.....

That was the end of what was written. I find that so interesting.


I find that so hypocritical.

The question that begs attention is what "evil" is that comment referring to? The evil that makes them photograph children in the shower, on the potty, in their underwear for the purposes of making money?

Is it the evil that makes parents put their children to work in order to support the family so that the parents don't have to get real jobs?

Is it the evil that forces children to be filmed when the children don't want to have cameras in their faces?

Or, is it the evil of the people who see the damage this family is doing to their children and are trying to get the word out by writing sponsors, legislators, and advocacy groups?

What is terrible about that verse is that the Gosselins see the people who are trying to see that good decisions are made regarding the children as "evil".

Anonymous said...

Jon & Kate Plus 8
Prep for Hawaii


Jon and Kate and all eight kids are off to see the beauty of Hawaii. But before they leave for the land of sun, there's much to be done! In addition to packing for a family ten, Kate must also find the perfect dress for her renewal of vows ceremony.

Anonymous said...

Hey, don't forget about Leapster, DicksSportingGoods (little Dickie) and of course Disney! Gotta get that vacation clube membership secured! There needs to be a trip twice a year!

By the way, anyone esle just counting the days until the Disney Cruise?

Anonymous said...

"Why couldn't they take all the kids to a local minor league game in their own area?"

Likewise, why couldn't they take all of the kids to Williamsport to see the Little League World Series? Start them off seeing kids playing. You never know, it might spark a genuine interest in the sport if the boys see little guys out on the field playing in front of those big crowds!

Anonymous said...

Not sure where this should go, so I will try here- Pennmommy, I'm so sorry to hear about the problems with your family, web site, and what sounds like stalking. I can't believe someone would try to upset you at this difficult time. I know some states have laws against cyberstalking and cyberbullying- I'm hoping you were able to get law enforcement involved. Just wanted you to know that many of us have you and your family in our thoughts and prayers.

themrs said...

did anyone see this? it's an article from 2005 about J&K trying to keep their state funded nurse. no surpise that the comment section got heated and then Jon himself jumped in to defend them. pretty humorous. the article is http://internetservices.readingeagle.com/blog/mother/archives/2005/05/here_we_go_agai.htmly.
and here is jon's response:
"People we don't write the articles. Make sure you have all the facts before you comment. Also do you believe everything you read in the newpaper or see on television. Do you believe everything on the internet? Also the Pittsburgh article is from a columnist not a journalist big difference. Until you walked in our shoes don't tell us anyhting about your life. You must compare apples and apples. The State made us promises and then took them away. How would you feel if you depended on something and it was taken from you? At the last minute. No planning. I think people should realize what is happening. Most people stand idly by and watch and never ask. So don't sterotype us. That's just plain ignorant. The media will make us out to who they want us to be. Lets remember the care is for my six kids not for the twins or my wife and I. Let me tell you its a scary thing putting privacy out there. You can't hide someone will always find you. You have to weigh the whole situation. Finally, I will do everything and anything for my family especially my kids.

Posted by: Jonathan at May 20, 2005 01:34 PM

hey Jon, how about you walk in MY shoes for a day? taking care of my kids alone while my husband works long hours, trying to pay the bills? you know why? because we CHOSE to have four kids so we CHOOSE to provide for and raise them.
"

Christian_N_Daniel_Mommy said...

I'm so tired of the "until you walk in our shoes" comments that J&K throw around to excuse their behavior in front of the camera and to excuse pimping their children and invading their children's privacy on a daily basis.

NEWS FLASH JON AND KATE: No one wants to walk in your shoes! YOU TWO IDIOTS chose this path. The rest of us "average" parents KNOW what we can handle and plan accordingly. Seems like there are other people like the McCaughy couple with their septuplets and older daughter (hello... EIGHT KIDS) and the Duggars who have not only been in your shoes but who have OUTGROWN your shoes and are in a completely different league all their own and you don't see them throwing pity parties on national television every week about how they need this and they need that and calling their children "nightmares".
I don't WANT to walk in your shoes because children grow up way too fast and with your each of your heads stuck up your respective asses you're missing out on their precious NATURAL childhoods! Quit trying to forge "memories" and go try to live a normal life.
I have two boys and it is NOT an easy task and I have to spend every waking minute of the day that they are not napping making sure they are healthy and happy. If it's that hard for me (a hard working, full time stay-at-home-mom) with only TWO kids... then I can only imagine the levels of emotional and mental neglect YOUR children go through on a daily basis. At this point I'm willing to bet that they'd be happier right now if you had done some selective reduction. At least they wouldn't be forced to perform.

So no, I don't think anyone should have to walk in your shoes - the path you both chose was an immature and irresponsible one by having way more babies than you could emotionally, physically, mentally and financially handle. Most people are smarter than that.

Ilovemykids said...

Those devotionals on their website - just part of the game the Gosselins are playing. Kate wants to talk about evil? Just look in the mirror Kate. What you are doing to your children, what you have done to your family members and others who have tried to help you see the error of your ways - now that is evil.

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate plus the kids are coming to Edmonton this Fall to tape an episode. The reason for this is that Jon has a business trip that takes to Edmonton for a conference. And Kate wants to go to the West Edmonton Mall with the kids.

From a TLC e-mail:
West Edmonton Mall's Galaxyland Amusement Park, World Waterpark & Sea Life Caverns will be closed due to Filming on October 9, 10, 11 & 12, 2008. We advice you not to interfere with filming. When the Jon and Kate plus the kids are in Edmonton please let them film and not stop them to talk. The Edmonton Police will act as security guards.



I don't even know what to say to this...Jon on a business trip?! The amusement park, waterpark and aquarium closed for filming?! Don't talk to the family?! Police as security guards?! This show is a joke.

Anonymous said...

Hey Jon & Kate - here is an episode I would like to see: since the two of you can't tell the difference between truth telling and the legends you are in your own minds, I would like to see an episode entitled "Gosselins Visit the Children's Investment Planner". I would like to see how all the "love offerings" and well, since it is a "family job", the children's earnings from the show are being invested in interest-bearing accounts, college funds, trust funds, etc. One of the biggest reasons we here at GWOP take issue with you is that your children WORK to support YOU! What makes you think you are entitled to THEIR money? Keep your stupid freebies. But let the children at least plan on a secure future. Those funds should be nice and full now since I'm sure you have been appropriating funds properly, so please stop the exploitation of your children. End the drama.

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate plus the kids are coming to Edmonton this Fall to tape an episode. The reason for this is that Jon has a business trip that takes to Edmonton for a conference. And Kate wants to go to the West Edmonton Mall with the kids.

From a TLC e-mail:
West Edmonton Mall's Galaxyland Amusement Park, World Waterpark & Sea Life Caverns will be closed due to Filming on October 9, 10, 11 & 12, 2008. We advice you not to interfere with filming. When the Jon and Kate plus the kids are in Edmonton please let them film and not stop them to talk. The Edmonton Police will act as security guards.


I don't even know what to say to this...Jon on a business trip?! The amusement park, waterpark and aquarium closed for filming?! Don't talk to the family?! Police as security guards?! This show is a joke.

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I remember seeing this somewhere else and most people believe it (the email ) is not real. Many people actually think it was from Jon himself because it is so poorly written .

Anonymous said...

An Open Letter To Kate G.,


Let me preface this letter by saying, I love my life, feel truly blessed, and given the opportunity would make no changes.

Since you've shared so much of your life with me, I thought I'd share a bit of my life with you and your family. Maybe you'll read this and glean something about the public and how you could better relate to them.

I'm an RN(like you Kate) and worked last Th-Sun in a busy NICU. I was on call on Monday from 7-7pm and was called in at 10am. On the way home (I live 30 miles away), I remembered that I'd volunteered to bring a pasta salad to a church luncheon on Tuesday, so I needed to stop at the store to buy the ingrediants for the salad.

Once home I partially prepared the salad, ate some dinner that my 18 son had prepared, visited a bit and went to bed.

My 18 son awoke me at 5:30 Tuesday AM complaining of fever, sore throat etc... I checked his temp(102), dosed him with Advil, sent him back to bed, and went on with my day, as Tuesday was my day off.

When I returned from dropping off the salad, and making a Target run(needed flu meds), I found my son vomiting into a bowl in the family room. At this point, I layered the couch with sheets and made him comfortable.

Late Tuesday night I reported all the day's events to my husband via the phone. You see Kate, my husband was relocated in July to a state 2500 miles way from our home. Our family decided to stay put until our son graduates from high school in May. This is the type of decision that average people make everyday...is it easy, no. But at least I go to bed each night knowing I'm doing what's right for my family. Do you do that, Kate?

Im off of work today as well. I've spent much of the morning in the laundry room doing my son's linens, blankets, towels etc.. And No, Kate, I didn't wear a mask, put my son on the laundry room floor or refer to him as," vomitus" boy. Can you see the difference between your life and mine; your decisions and mine? Can you see why I can not relate to you and your decisions? Multiple me by many and you will see what average American Families look like, Kate.




Sorry this is so long-Thanks for letting me write this note.

Addison said...

I love these free discussions. Thank you so much, moderators for adding them to the site. There is just so much to discuss when it comes to this family.

Anyway, so I decided to look at the Gosselins' website (and I feel kind of icky just admitting that...) and I was wondering about the "Kid's Corner" pages. I'm not sure if J and K sat down with the kids and let them "narrate" what they wanted to say on their pages (though I'm sort of assuming not) but it sure seems like they put WAY more effort into the 'tups discriptions than Mady and Cara's. Mady's just says "Hi, I'm Mady and I'd love to show you all the things I can do" (or something like) and Cara's? All she gets is "Hi, I'm Cara. How are you?" Also, only Alexis' is written the way she speaks ("I Alexis. I yike Dusty. Him my kid.") and if she didn't narrate this herself, it seems pretty condescending for Jon and Kate to make fun of the way she talks.

Anonymous said...

I think the Edmonton show was not true. I think that one is a few weeks old and it's been proven incorrect. I think it was written by a teen if I'm not mistaken.

Anonymous said...

An Open Letter To Kate G....


Anon you should send this to Kate via her website.

paula s said...

Does anybody have the link to Kate's Proctor and Gamble water sham? I know I have seen it somewhere on this blog, but I can't find it again.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone plan to watch Kate choose her wedding dress for her Hawaii renewal ceremony on Say Yes to the Dress this friday?

Barb said...

If I lived in Edmonton and my tax money was being used to provide security for the Gosselins, I would be hopping mad!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Does anyone plan to watch Kate choose her wedding dress for her Hawaii renewal ceremony on Say Yes to the Dress this friday?

Absolutely not! I refuse to give up my 'rare treat' of Monday night with the girls and Friday night kicking back with the hubby to watch this narcissitic ego driven diva in action. May I suggest that you all do the same. I promise you will thank me for the suggestion.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone plan to watch Kate choose her wedding dress for her Hawaii renewal ceremony on Say Yes to the Dress this friday?

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No way in H3LL. She should be on Bridezilla instead ..........

themrs said...

ok i just rewatched the hair implant episode because i thought it was the one where kate puts joel in the laundry room and i had missed that the first time. the kids do all have the flu when aunt jodi keeps them but that part is not there anymore. do i have the wrong episode or did they edit that part out?

Anonymous said...

I'm not watching,

"God Bless This Free Dress"

Anonymous said...

If Jon is the boy who never grew up does that make him "Organic Peter Pan"

Erin said...

I know it was probably a special guys day, but why didn't Jon take ALL of the kids- including the girls?? I know that my dad took my brother's to football and baseball games when we were kids and my mom and I would do "girly" stuff like shop and go to lunch, but I think the girls, especially Cara and Alexis, would have a great time. We don't leave our 9 year daughter home when we take our 7 year old son to a baseball or basketball game. Girls should get to experience this fun adventure as the boys should get to enjoy fun things like cooking, baking, ceramics, etc.

Anonymous said...

In response to the following posts: Anonymous said...
"Why couldn't they take all the kids to a local minor league game in their own area?"

Likewise, why couldn't they take all of the kids to Williamsport to see the Little League World Series? Start them off seeing kids playing. You never know, it might spark a genuine interest in the sport if the boys see little guys out on the field playing in front of those big crowds!

For J & K it all has to be about over the top go big or go home. Nothing they do starts at the 'bottom'. They do nothing for the REAL purpose of the experience or for the greater understanding or appreciation of said event/activity. It is ALL for SHOW. Period.

Anonymous said...

ok i just rewatched the hair implant episode because i thought it was the one where kate puts joel in the laundry room and i had missed that the first time. the kids do all have the flu when aunt jodi keeps them but that part is not there anymore. do i have the wrong episode or did they edit that part out?

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The hair implant episode caused a stir because KON went to get Jon plugged and left Aunt Jodi with 6 sick kids. Kate didn't even need to go ....

"Joelgate" (Joel on the laundry room floor) is on the episode titled "Cooking with the Twins". I just happened to see a blip when channel surfing..........it's one of the saddest episodes ever.

Anonymous said...

GWoP is very close to ONE MILLION hits! Woo Hoo!

Anonymous said...

>>The hair implant episode caused a stir because KON went to get Jon plugged and left Aunt Jodi with 6 sick kids. Kate didn't even need to go ....<<

Actually, Aunt Jodi was left with 12 kids, 9 of whom were sick. And yes...Kate did not need to go, Jon is (or should be) a big boy. If he needed hand holding they should have rescheduled. Disgusting.

Anonymous said...

Ya wanna know what I love? I LOVE the picture at the top of GWoP! That big goose at the front is of course Kate, leading the way as she always does. The first Gossling following her is Mady, trying to get some attention from her mom.

Bringing up the rear with his head hanging low is Daddy Jon. And naturally, the very last position of the Gosslings is little Joel.

I love the photo because it is spot on...the Gosselin and yet it also makes me sad.

BTW...the family picture on the TV promos of course has Kate..really big at the front of the line...and WAY in the back (really tiny) are the three boys. Incredible.

Thalia Menninger said...

Why did Lady Cha-Ching have to get a frou-frou dress on the mainland for her vow renewal in Maui? There are many wonderful places to buy dresses in Hawaii, and you could even get a gorgeous native dress that would be far more appropriate than what Lady Cha-Ching wound up wearing.

Hawaiian beauty is about simplicity. A simple dress, no makeup, sunshine and a plumeria blossom in your hair.

Anonymous said...

To Thalia-

I have seen several of your posts and I love your wit when referencing Kate as Lady XXXX.

The subject matter on this site is so sad, it's nice to get a little chuckle now and then. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Did the Phillies episode air yet? I'm a Phillies fan as well, but for such young kids, why couldn't they go to a minor league game? The experience for them would have been just the same. But I'm sure that was too low, too common folksy for Wimp Jon.

Anonymous said...

GumGate is on right now and my blood is boiling.

Anonymous said...

OOOOPS!!! I meant ONE MILLION hits! So sorry!! Although one million posts might not be too far behind!

Anonymous said...

OK...music lessons. Kate's proclaiming at the beginning of the show..."we'll either let them run with it or drop it." Yeah Kate, they can act interested long enough for you to get a free violin and a free piano but you won't be bothered to encourage them or teach them any self discipline to stick with it. Also, I'm sure the violin was involved so Kate could show off her rendition of Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star.

There is no way that Cara is still playing the piano with those daggar fingernails.

While I'm ranting, as a "nurse"...and I use that term loosely...Kate should be well aware that long fingernails harbor bacteria. Ms. Germophobic has all kinds of little bugs growing under hers and her daughter's nails.

Look out Kate...they're gonna getcha!

Anonymous said...

Well...I was the 1,000,000 hit to the blog...I tried to take a picture of the screen with my phone but it wouldn't come out and I looked all around for my camera and can't find it.

So much for documenting my 15 seconds of fame!

Congrats to all those who have visited...you all give me hope.

Anonymous said...

Oh boy! Now I have seen what the fuss was about ( I have read about it!) with the gum. GOOD-NESS!!! Kate is crazy. As a mom, I think that reaction needs to be saved for something like...hmmm...I cant think of something right off the top oof my head but something important! The way she was pacing through the house, and that voice she used- her reaction was as crazy as someone who had their crack flushed down the toilet!! What was up with her saying "I am using organic peanut butter no less" Is that better for removing gum than plain jif?
Another topic- Kates vow renewal dress. With all the hype of Kleinfeilds (sp) and having two made into one- I was expecting something better than what I saw in People. I agree with the above poster about finding a pretty simple dress in Hawii. Maybe something like Renee Zellewegger wore when she married Kenny Chesney.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone see the new episodes with the Harris family on Discovery Health last night? Diamond is the anti-Kate and I love her!! She rolled out a huge piece of white paper on her kitchen/dining room floor and let the kids go crazy with markers and play-doh. And she loves her boys!! It was so refreshing.

Anonymous said...

In response to: Thalia Menninger said...
Why did Lady Cha-Ching have to get a frou-frou dress on the mainland for her vow renewal in Maui? There are many wonderful places to buy dresses in Hawaii, and you could even get a gorgeous native dress that would be far more appropriate than what Lady Cha-Ching wound up wearing.

Hawaiian beauty is about simplicity. A simple dress, no makeup, sunshine and a plumeria blossom in your hair.

10/08/2008 7:53 PM

Thank you so much for making this observation! #1, the entire idea of Kate wearing THAT particular wedding gown was TLC cross pollinating/promoting their own programming. J & K + 8 and Say Yes To the Dress and more than likely she received the dress free of charge. #2 I whole heartedly agree with your comments suggesting that an authentic Hawaiian inspired dress/gown as opposed to the custom designed traditionally American gown would have been a more fitting choice for the occassion. #3 IMO , it is obvious that for Kate, the decision to have her vow renewal in Hawaii had absolutely nothing to do with the simplicity of Hawaiian beauty or acknowledging its culture and embracing what it represents. For her, its ALL about SHOW!

Anonymous said...

At a school function last night, I could not help but notice all the Kate inspired reverse mullets!! Lordy Be what does this mean??? I am fearful to sleep tonight as the sheeple may put a pod under my bed!!!

AmandaT said...

Haha! Apparently, the production crew is telling neighbors they can't mow their lawns during filming.
Sounds like the neighbor said, "no," though.
Don't their neighbors know they are celebrities?!

Anonymous said...

AmandaT said...
Haha! Apparently, the production crew is telling neighbors they can't mow their lawns during filming.
Sounds like the neighbor said, "no," though.
Don't their neighbors know they are celebrities?!

And who is this production crew and how have they acquired the authority to inform taxpayers and homeowners what they can and cannot do, and when they can and cannot do it on their own property?
Is the entire neighborhood expected to cease what they are doing and remain in their homes until further instructed by TLC's production staff? J & K, it may be YOUR LIFE, but is sure as hell aint mine!!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
At a school function last night, I could not help but notice all the Kate inspired reverse mullets!! Lordy Be what does this mean??? I am fearful to sleep tonight as the sheeple may put a pod under my bed!!!

10/09/2008 6:41 AM

If I were to ask my hair stylist to cut my hair like Kate Gosselin # 1 she would have zero idea who I am referring to. #2 she would never jeopardize her reputation as a stylist in agreeing to such.

Anonymous said...

Not sure where to post this so posting this here. A Minor Consideration has a new post up on the new reality shows featuring large families and comments on the latest episode of J*K+8.

Lorelai said...

Addison said...
I love these free discussions. Thank you so much, moderators for adding them to the site. There is just so much to discuss when it comes to this family.

Anyway, so I decided to look at the Gosselins' website (and I feel kind of icky just admitting that...) and I was wondering about the "Kid's Corner" pages. I'm not sure if J and K sat down with the kids and let them "narrate" what they wanted to say on their pages (though I'm sort of assuming not) but it sure seems like they put WAY more effort into the 'tups discriptions than Mady and Cara's. Mady's just says "Hi, I'm Mady and I'd love to show you all the things I can do" (or something like) and Cara's? All she gets is "Hi, I'm Cara. How are you?" Also, only Alexis' is written the way she speaks ("I Alexis. I yike Dusty. Him my kid.") and if she didn't narrate this herself, it seems pretty condescending for Jon and Kate to make fun of the way she talks.

10/08/2008 12:14 PM

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Alexis' "Kid Corner" page stood out to me right away too. All of the 'tups have some grammer problems, and yet Alexis is the only one who's page reflects that. I felt it was condescending too - whether Kon meant it to be or not. Instead of making fun of the way Alexis talks (and Joel for that matter as we've seen Jon tease him for his lisp) maybe Kon should teach them how to speak correctly.

Travis said...

Anonymous said...Oh boy! Now I have seen what the fuss was about ( I have read about it!) with the gum. GOOD-NESS!!! Kate is crazy. As a mom, I think that reaction needs to be saved for something like...hmmm...I cant think of something right off the top oof my head but something important!

Like when Mady and Cara present her with emancipation papers!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...Oh boy! Now I have seen what the fuss was about ( I have read about it!) with the gum. GOOD-NESS!!! Kate is crazy. As a mom, I think that reaction needs to be saved for something like...hmmm...I cant think of something right off the top oof my head but something important!

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This episode was bad and IMO, I think her behavior on Disneygate
is even worse. This is the epi where she goes ballistic when the kids get ice cream on their clothing. IIRC, this is also the epi where in one scene Kate is ordering the kids not to walk on the hotel carpet without shoes, and in another scene she is standing -holding Hannah- BAREFOOT at a gas station pump.

Anonymous said...

Haha! Apparently, the production crew is telling neighbors they can't mow their lawns during filming.

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If I was a neighbor I'd feel the need to mow my lawn. Daily. Very slowly. Whenever I saw a camera crew.

Anonymous said...

OK...so their running the Disney World episode again. Last night was GumGate and a few other especially troublesome ones were also on this week.

I wonder if TLC is just trying to get us all "riled up" right before the big book debut?

I REALLY have to stop watching this...it's changing who I am.

Just imagine what it's doing to the kids...it's their reality.

Anonymous said...

I was flipping channels and came across an episode (how can you not when TLC runs them almost constantly?!)- the title escapes me now. Anyway, Kate is making waffles (yes, she is actually doing something for her kids) and she is yelling at Jon to keep the kids out of the kitchen. There is a shot of one of the girls (again, I don't remember because I just caught it briefly) coming up the steps to the basement, and I noticed that there was a knob cover on the INSIDE of the basement. Under normal circumstances, people usually use this device so young children cannot open a door from the inside to the outside, but KON's set up was just the opposite- blantantly for the purpose of keeping the little ones downstairs. Unbelieveable.

As far as TLC running the more controversial episodes - I won't read the book even if it's given to me for free. I have no interest in reading more lies from KON, and certainly no interest in supporting their scam.

quinn said...

anon said "and I noticed that there was a knob cover on the INSIDE of the basement. Under normal circumstances, people usually use this device so young children cannot open a door from the inside to the outside, but KON's set up was just the opposite- blantantly for the purpose of keeping the little ones downstairs. Unbelieveable."

That's a fire hazard and very scary considering that one child is sleeping down there!

Anonymous said...

Anon said: it is obvious that for Kate, the decision to have her vow renewal in Hawaii had absolutely nothing to do with the simplicity of Hawaiian beauty or acknowledging its culture and embracing what it represents. For her, its ALL about SHOW!
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Thank you! This is exactly why I posted a while back that Kate (KON) is not worthy of a trip to Europe. People called me an elitist at the time, but she has a profound inability to appreciate other cultures.

Anonymous said...

Anon said: it is obvious that for Kate, the decision to have her vow renewal in Hawaii had absolutely nothing to do with the simplicity of Hawaiian beauty or acknowledging its culture and embracing what it represents. For her, its ALL about SHOW!
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Thank you! This is exactly why I posted a while back that Kate (KON) is not worthy of a trip to Europe. People called me an elitist at the time, but she has a profound inability to appreciate other cultures.

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This is exactly the point that someone made about an upcoming episode where Jon takes the boys to a Phillies game (instead of a local minor league game that would be just as fun, just not as fancy). KON will only participate in "memory making" for the kids when it is something extravagant and FREE, courtesy of the sponsor.

As far as traveling abroad, I really cannot see Kate doing well. Not only is she profoundly unable to appreciate other cultures, she is profoundly unable to appreciate ANYTHING.

Anonymous said...

If I was a neighbor I'd feel the need to mow my lawn. Daily. Very slowly. Whenever I saw a camera crew.
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You forgot edging and leaf blowing silly !

Anonymous said...

Mady and Cara turned eight yesterday, October 8. I feel nothing but anxiety and tragedy for what is to come for these two little girls. Based on the way they are forced to live and the disrespect and lack of attention and affection they get from Kate, their future does not seem bright to me. When is someone going to nail KON's coffin closed for real? I hope it is soon to give both the twins and the tups a chance at a normal life. It's just tragic - and more so because we know it - we see it on TV every week. I hope it all blows up in KON's face now that they are in the media so much. Can't the grandparents do anything? Like an "intervention?"

Anonymous said...

KON with Twins spotted in Epcot today - probably because of the Orlando Woman's Forum and taking in the sites beforehand.