Free Discussion 10/18-10/24

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Anonymous said...

I wonder when TLC is going to give Kate a loft to live in NYC. Between GMA, Regis and Kelly, and Say Yes to the Dress she has been spending more time there than PA.

Rosey in Washington said...

Something about Kate has been bugging me for the past couple of weeks?? Well, besides the obvious of course.

You know, she "prides" herself on being a good mother, and how she does everything for her children, and that she is basically the hardest working mother to ever live on planet earth. But of course, we all know this isnt true. I mean, part of that sentance doesnt even apply to her life (hardest WORKING mother). We all know she doesnt work, and her "duty to her children and their happiness" is simply fulfilled (in her mind) by sitting on a damn plastic chair in the garage while her children play and probably try to ignore her and pretend she's not there.

Okay but back to my point, it has REALLY started to bug me that she always says that she loves all of her children equally, but then precedes to only go on the GIRLS "special days". I told this to my boyfriend and he was like, "No, I think she went to one of them atleast." So, then I proceded to remind him that Jon took Collin to the train station ALONE, Jon took Aidan to the cow farm ALONE, and Jon took Joel to the hands-on hands house ALONE. I mean how freakin pathetic can you get??
As a reminder, she went to ALL of the girls special days (took Cara rollerblading, took Mady to get her ears pierced, took her precious Hannah to see horses, took Leah to the Bouncy house, and took Alexis to the retile place with alligators), but as I said above not ONE of her little boys special days. I know she thinks her boys are "ikky" and "gross", but what in the hell gives her the right to blatantly ignore their "special days"??

I mean seriously Kate, do you really think the boys never thought about it. Like, "Why did mommy go to all the girls' special days but didn't come to mine?"

I just think that this is so sad for the boys, and just shows everyone so much more that Kate is a horrible mom who do not deserve ANY part of her "million dollar life" that her CHILDREN are paying for.

Uhhh....I just want to SCREAM!!

Oh and PS- We all know that if Jon refused to go on one of the girls special days she would have had a hissy hit...but like always, its all about Kate.

ep said...

"Upcoming episodes: Monday, October 20 - 30 minutes - The Gosselin family gets a new formal picture taken....."

...Are you kidding me? We have to suffer through another photoshoot episode? Wasn't there a photoshoot episode like, two weeks ago?

I'm sorry, but it's not fun watching other people getting their picture taken for 30 minutes while the parents are whining about how the kids have low blood sugar and how they need a nap and their exhausted.

And I'm even a photographer.

Danielle said...

I just wanted to say that I love this blog and would like to join with you in any advocacy efforts you do.
Thanks.
Danielle

chiasmus said...

Kon and the kids are going to be on FOX and Friends later in the show this morning. Just FYI.

Chris said...

They're on Fox and Friends before the morning show ends this morning (sometime before 10am EST)

Anonymous said...

I wonder if they'll be live in the studio on Fox or taped from yesterday.

Anonymous said...

"Upcoming episodes: Monday, October 20 - 30 minutes - The Gosselin family gets a new formal picture taken....."
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Hmmm, I wonder if it will be out at Beth and Bob's again like it was for the last two???

C said...

November 3
Jon & Kate Plus 8
Legos & Safaris


En route to Hawaii the Gosselins touch down in San Diego, California for a few days of exploration. Jon and Kate take the kids to Legoland, a huge theme park celebrating Legos, and embark on a safari at the nationally renowned San Diego Zoo.


October 27, 2008
Jon & Kate Plus 8
Prep for Hawaii


Jon and Kate and all eight kids are off to see the beauty of Hawaii. But before they leave for the land of sun, there's much to be done! In addition to packing for a family ten, Kate must also find the perfect dress for her renewal of vows ceremony.


October 20, 2008
Jon & Kate Plus 8
Baseball Game with Daddy


It's a day of ballpark fun when the Gosselins are invited to a Phillies game by the manager. Jon takes the boys and Cara to see their first baseball game. After the game, they get to run around the bases, meet the mascot and even meet one of the players!

Anonymous said...

Fox and Friends was taped. They were wearing the same clothes as on GMA.

Kate said something interesting: "Jon's job was to work, mine was to save money."

hahahahahahahahahaha

Anonymous said...

Did you hear Kate talking about KMart's lay-a-way plan and how they're using it this year and Mady loudly said, "WHAT!?" As in, what are you talking about mom, no you're not! :)

Tv Lady said...

Just watched them on Fox.
Kate talks about how they are trying hard to make it during this hard economic time... give me a break.
When you're in the market for a 2 million dollar property, you are not clipping coupons and using lawaway. I wish an interviewer would call her out!

Anonymous said...

Did anybody else happen to see them on FOX this morning? I just happened to be flipping through channels and saw them.

Interesting that they, J&K and the boys had the same clothes and some of the girls had the same clothes on as the other morning. I was surprised that they had on the same things, maybe part of damage control?

But, I do have a real hard time taking money saving tips from Kate as I look at her kids in a $1000+ wardrobe. She also promoted KMart again, with their lay away plan. There is no way in heck that her kids would ever wear KMart threads. I would begin to believe that KMart is probably giving them money to purchase the kids toys at KMart this year in exhange for her mentioning the KMart layaway program.

Kate looked very pissed this morning too, I didnt see her smile but once when Mady mentioned to the interview that he said their names in birth order. I am not sure why they are even promoting this book, alls they talk about is what we are able to see on the show. Why would one purchase the book and waste 20.00?

chiasmus said...

Fox and Friends appearance synopsis:

Eight darling little dollars signs sit on the curvy couch. Kon sits behind them on a riser.

Camera pans darling $'s as they giggle. Mady says "stop it!" just as the camera pans by her.

Interview:

"blah blah blah...Jon works and I handle the money...that's the way it's always been...clipping coupons...plan meals around the weekly sales flyer...K-mart layaway...pay a little as a time...more affordable to divide up the cost and pay over time...no place to put the presents that we budgeted so carefully for in our tiny little house...we wrote the book so we could record everything for the kids before we forget it...Ummm..."

The children, as always, looked darling. They were predictably dressed in matchy-matchy non-K-Mart clothes.

Kate will be exhausted after not working this week...they are just living their life.

Anonymous said...

I have lost interest in this show...To be honest, I couldn't care less. I am willing to bet I am not the only former fan that feels this way.

diana said...

I don't know how you can market your family.
Some of our ancestors that had a zillion kids are vomiting in their graves.

....or in Kate's hair, mainly because it looks like vomit.

Gosselin kiddos, you're the whole reason why I watch this show, but each episode you look more miserable than ever. I hope one day you grow up and ask your mom and dad why they did that and was it worth the money.

Sara said...

I wonder when TLC is going to give Kate a loft to live in NYC. Between GMA, Regis and Kelly, and Say Yes to the Dress she has been spending more time there than PA.

I'm sure they've put her up in a fantastic hotel where she can get spa treatments before each appearance. Of course, TLC couldn't film it because it would be pretty difficult to hear all the "I miss my kids soooo much" in between all those mouthfulls of organic room service.

Your life as a mother of eight is so terribly hard, Kate. I just don't know if I could do it. Having to bask in the sun on sandy beaches and fly to New York to collect ginormous paychecks for sitting in front of a camera for five minutes is just too damn much to ask from one person, wouldn't you say?

Anonymous said...

EP: That episode is a re-run. The one with some of kids at the Phillies baseball game is the only new episode on Monday.

Anonymous said...

The Fox news interview was probably bumped to air on tape today since Bush spoke yesterday morning.

Anonymous said...

The Fox and Friends segment this morning was taped the same day as Good Morning America.

Did anyone see Jon glare over at the kids when they were acting and point at them? I think the kids were a little spent and worn out. Of course Cara looked like she could care less about anything that was happening. Poor kid.

And Kate using Layaway and clipping coupons? - what a joke.

Diane said...

So, then I proceded to remind him that Jon took Collin to the train station ALONE, Jon took Aidan to the cow farm ALONE, and Jon took Joel to the hands-on hands house ALONE. I mean how freakin pathetic can you get??

You know, I was just realizing the other day that on the boy/girl outings it was Jon taking the boys golfing or the gym. Kate took the girls to pottery. I was thinking how sad it was that they feel it unnecessary for the kids to spend time with the parent of the opposite sex (almost stone age type thinking). But, until I read your post I never realized that Kate did not go on the boys' special days! Jon went to all of the girls' days. How completely awful for Collin, Joel, and Aaden. Mother of the year--I think not.

Lonnyswife said...

Did Mady rally say "What??" when Kate mentioned laying away items at K-Mart??
This is hilarious if so.
You can't muzzle kids. Kids say the darndest things, remember?
And this will only continue. Kate or Jon will say something incredulous, even to those of us not living in the same house. One of the twins will pipe up with, "What??"
At which point their question will be ignored for obvious reasons. J &/or K will try to remember to mention it to whichever child later on, that, when mommy or daddy says something in front of the camera or to a reporter they are to just nod their head or sit quietly.
Which is going to be a red flag to these two girls that this is the way to get under mom and dad's skin.
At which point, we will probably see less and less of the twins during filming/interview sessions (so they don't 'mess' things up in the long run).
I don't understand why all of these interviewers seem to be tip-toeing around with these folks? The chick at GMA tried to ask a pointed question or two, which Kate, ever the pro, simply flicked away and took us down some convoluted path to the truth according to Kate.
I think it's time Borat interviewed these two.

Anonymous said...

The coach segment on Fox and Friends was painful to watch. But hey, we're creating life memories right Kon! This is something the kids will always have to remember the FUN they were having! Yay!

(and something for Cara to remember the miserable time she was having.)

Anonymous said...

Two points. Yes, why are the interviewers tip-toeing around these idiots? I think the deal is they will never ever be asked a hardball question or they will walk out on the show as it is being filmed. I say, DO IT. I would love to see this couple gather their money makers and leave in a huff.

The other point is that because Kate did not accompany the boys on their special day outings, the boys were allowed to be human beings, kids, and probably enjoyed themselves so much more. Even at golfing, she would never have allowed them to run and play as much as they did.

Anonymous said...

On GMA Kate said that she wrote the book for her children, and she didn't care if it was ever published. If that is the truth, then why was there a note on their website for months saying "we are looking for a Christian publisher for our book"?
Seems to me that they she cared if it was published.

desserped said...

I've been thinking about Kate (ew). Even if she didn't have a private chef and tape 24/7, she still has quite a bit of help.

She doesn't have to cook basically 4 days a week because she has Craft Services...... wow. To only cook 3 days a week. I would still be like Kate and be EXHAUSTED.

nomorejuicyjuice said...

The problem with Jon and Kate are that even if we did shut of the TV we would be forced to disregard other forms of media that we like. Why should we have to give up magazines and television shows to avoid these panhandlers?

Anonymous said...

Here's an off topic question but something to think about.

When contestants win prizes on game shows (and reality shows) they have to pay taxes on their winnings.

Do J&K pay taxes on any of the freebies they're getting such as clothes, trips, travel expenses, etc? Or are these things written off as production expenses? I can see that some of it could be, but I'm wondering about the things that are done/used for thier personal use/pleasure and never make it on the air.

I'd sure like to get a glimpse of their income taxes to see just what they're showing, what income if any is going to the kids, what to college funds, health care, etc. And, I'd like to see what Figure 8/TLC is paying them directly and what they're writing off as expenses.

Anyone know? Any comments?

Anonymous said...

nomorejuicyjuice said...

The problem with Jon and Kate are that even if we did shut of the TV we would be forced to disregard other forms of media that we like. Why should we have to give up magazines and television shows to avoid these panhandlers?


Without the TV show they would quickly fade from the public's mind, and as a result, would cease to be marketable, and other media would ignore them as well. Likewise the freebies and personal appearances would dry up, the mansion in NC would be used for some other reality show, and we would probably not hear much of Jon and Kate for at least a decade, when they would be featured on a segment of "Whatever Happened To..."

Anonymous said...

Re Kate not doing "boy" things:

Do you all remember in the 4th of July epi that Kate took the girls to get their hair braided and Jon actually looks at the camera and says "Why am I here when I could be in the pool with the boys?"

Yes, KON, why WAS Jon there and not having fun with the boys? IIRC, the girls definitely were not having fun.............

Anonymous said...

Everything bothers me about KON.

What I want to ask the KON lovers/supporters is :

If the show is canceled, all that means is there is one less show for you to watch on Monday nights. For the G kids, it could give the kids the hope of a normal, happy, healthy childhood.

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Anonymous said...

If kate has craft services while taping 3-4 days a week, I wonder where they eat the other days of the week when they are on GMA, Fox & Friends, Regis, etc...

Anonymous said...

I read the book yesterday in 2 hours at Barnes & Noble. It was really boring and I didn't really learn anything that we didn't already know from TV. Don't waste your time.

chiasmus said...

I think that K-Mart must be purchasing some kind of advertising-like placement time on these talk shows. If that is the case, the interviewers would not want to alienate their guests by asking them real questions. These are not "investigative" interviews. They are about money for everybody. This at the expense of the children whose lives continue to be sold to the next highest bidder.

There really is no way that Kate could be getting paid to plug layaway at K-Mart on all of these shows if K-Mart weren't also paying the network. Instead they would coach Kate not to mention the name of the store, just that she uses layaway. Notice that Kate didn't mention the brown-bag campaign on FOX. Probably because they did not pay for promotional time.

tripletsmom said...

I am the mom of 2 year old triplets. I can't state enough how IMPORTANT family is. Kate no longer has family or friends. I am sure that all of their kids must question why they don't see Aunt Jodie or Beth anymore. I wonder what Kate and Jon tell them. I have found a website where you can make comments to cancel their show. WWW.thepetitionsite.com/1/cancel-jon-and-kate-plus-8. Kate and Jon need to realize that they are causing harm to their children. I think it's just a matter of time before they get cancelled. On GMA Kate was putting raw meat in the cooking pans with her hands and didn't even wash them afterwards. Then she went on to handle the bread to make meatloaf sandwiches. Now everyone who ate those sandwiches could get sick. I believe she wanted to have a litter of kids so she could do exactly what she is doing.

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my9cats said...

Anonymous said...
On GMA Kate said that she wrote the book for her children, and she didn't care if it was ever published. If that is the truth, then why was there a note on their website for months saying "we are looking for a Christian publisher for our book"?
Seems to me that they she cared if it was published.

10/18/2008 10:21 AM

The lies get more and more tangled and convaluted. If these idiots are examples of being "Christian" I'll pass. They certainly talk the talk, but do not walk the walk. What an example they set for their kids. The poor twins must be so confused going to Christian school and learning values and ethics, then returning home to find them filed away with the gift cards. Very sad.

Aunt Connie said...

On a recent rerun, Jon says that he is thankful to go to work each day. He says he knows what Kate is going through while he is gone and in "no way" would he want to be at home all day every day.

I bet he yearns for those good old days.

iluveeyore said...

I suspect that Jon had to go with the girls to get their hair braided because Kate did not want to leave him home with the "helper," Jenny.

iluveeyore said...

The twins do NOT go to a "Christian" school. They go to a "country day school."

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

It's so strange to me that Kate tries so hard to create memories.


In fact what Kate is doing is trying hard to create episodes. Whenever she mentions something she'd like to see or do, it's actually a solicitation for another freebie promotional. It's all about keeping the show going, and that's for the intent of keeping the Gosselins a marketable commodity.

Anonymous said...

What I don't get, is the draw KON has on teenage girls? Many of the girls I work with (in retail) were so excited to see KON on the magazine cover." Oh, she's so funny the way she treats her husband. Oh, it's so funny to watch the kids have meltdowns"
That truly concerns me. There's a whole group of young women out there how thinks it funny to treat you husband like that and laugh at your kids being sad.
Just another downside to KON being on air

Anonymous said...

one more blogger said...

Second: Many of you are asking why Fox and Friends tip toed around Kon and didn't ask the important questions. Well, Fox and Friends is a very biased show on a very biased channel. It is mainly supportive of the right wing and anything that is considered conservative republican. It is the channel, after all, that has shows like Hannity and Colmes and Bill O'reily, which are two major major right wing pundits. You will rarely hear a positive thing said in support of Obama.


Hannity is conservative, Colmes is a left-wing democrat. That's the whole point of the show. FOX seems right-leaning only because the other networks (with the exception of CNN) are decidedly biased to the left. And Bill O'Reilly has slammed both parties with equal fervor on many occasions.

GMA is on ABC, a left-leaning Obama-supporting network, and they also tiptoed around Jon and Kate. This has nothing to to with politics, and everything to do with money. All these networks survive by selling ads to sponsors. The company (or its parent company) that sponsors Jon and Kate Plus 8 may very well also sponsor a show or shows on ABC or FOX. Not turning an interview into an expose goes along the lines of not biting the hand that feeds you.

Another issue is legal contracts. Without question, J&K appear under contract by which their publicity people must be permitted to pre-screen the questions that will be asked. If the interviewer decided to blindside Jon and Kate with a non-approved question, they open their network up to a lawsuit.

Anonymous said...

"I'm kinda annoyed by the Phillies episode already."
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I am very annoyed by this. First of all, all the kids could really have a good time if they all piled into the van to see a local minor league game. Get them some hot dogs, soda, and baseball caps. They's really have a great time. This is what normal families do! This taking them to a Phillies game is madness - they are totally unrelatable. A Phillies game and the other activities like meeting the players, running the bases, etc. - shouldn't that really be for kids who could really use and appreciate a lift like that? Like kids who get trips and things from the "Make-a-Wish Foundation" because they have cancer or some other condition? It is so selfish of TLC and KON. The tups are way too young to even know who the damn Phillies are. They probably don't even know baseball yet. It makes me sick. I do NOT watch KON anymore and haven't for weeks. I get my updates here on GWoP. I caanot bear looking at that family.

Anonymous said...

Never heard of a "country day school.". Elaborate please?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Never heard of a "country day school.". Elaborate please?
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A "country day school" is private school that is not a boarding school. It has all the "cachet" of a private boarding school, but the kids do not board there. Typically, the student-teacher ratio is very low which means the kids get a lot more individual attention and there is a lot of money for special programs and the like. Good thing, but obviously, quite expensive. Parents who are upper middle class send their kids there - parents who have worked to acquire an education and profession - so unlike those loathsome individuals who are pimping out Mady and Cara.

iluveeyore said...

Maureen McCormick, otherwise known as Marcia Brady, has come out with a book about her drug addiction and her depression. This is surely more interesting than Kate's book.

Another child actor suffering the consequences.

my9cats said...

"As for the long drive to pre-school, on the episode where they went to church and the "Cocoa Castle Playground", Kate said that the twins went to pre-school there (at the church) and that the tups will, too. I think that it is located in their old neighborhood, an hour away."

This excerpt was taken from the Tups go to school blog. There are several references throughout GWOP that the kids go to the school affiliated with their church. To me this is a Christian school.

Anonymous said...

I have a nagging feeling that this KMart and Kate crap is just the begining. I feel like a Gosselin brand of something is coming soon (the Olsen twins started at Walmart).

Cheryl

Anonymous said...

I remember at the time when they were doing the "Special Day" episodes, Kate (while on the couch) tried to explain why Jon went with the girls. She said something to the effect that she doesn't like to drive "hither, something and something" (in true Kate fashion) and that was why Jon had to go with her and girls, and why she wasn't "needed" to go on the boys special days.

Guess that is what the producers told her to say...

AmandaT said...

I, too, am not buying the excuses made for Kate not to go on the boys' special days. I don't remember which girl it was, but one of the little girls said her favorite moment was walking between both parents, holding their hands. She had that moment because both parents were there to hold her hands and swing her about. And yet, none of the boys got a special moment where both parents gave him that undivided attention.

Thalia Menninger said...

"GMA is on ABC, a left-leaning Obama-supporting network, and they also tiptoed around Jon and Kate. This has nothing to to with politics, and everything to do with money. "

If it has nothing to do with politics, why did you mention Barack Obama in your response?

Just wondering.

Our neighbors up the street have lost their house. They had a yard sale today to basically sell everything they own to try to raise some cash. They have four sons. Mom and Dad are gainfully employed, but Dad's business has been severely affected by the economic downturn. They're nice people. No craft services, magic couches full of change, or personal chefs in sight.

Anonymous said...

In response to: Just watched them on Fox.
Kate talks about how they are trying hard to make it during this hard economic time... give me a break.

Wasn't it just this past year alone viewers witnessed episode after episode of J & K hopping from one amusement park and vacation resort to another? Didnt a recent episode feature J & K driving across country looking at multi million dollar properties? Hasnt it been reported that J & K are now requesting 25K per speaking engagement, not including the cash 'love offerings' collected and $20 a pop for an autographed family photo. I have yet to see an episode of J & K + 8 representative of this family of 10 enduring the hardships of hard economic times. J & K often say,' 'until you walk in our shoes'. I suggest J & K walk in the shoes of the average working class American family and get a REAL taste of the effects of 'hard economic times'.

sabrinasmom said...

I don't remember which girl it was, but one of the little girls said her favorite moment was walking between both parents, holding their hands.

That would be Hannah.

Kittie said...

iluveeyore said...
Maureen McCormick, otherwise known as Marcia Brady, has come out with a book about her drug addiction and her depression. This is surely more interesting than Kate's book.

Another child actor suffering the consequences.

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I agree, There should be no more child actors. All 18 and up please.
That way this cant happen anymore.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else notice how nervous Kate seemed to be?

Christine said...

Second: Many of you are asking why Fox and Friends tip toed around Kon and didn't ask the important questions. Well, Fox and Friends is a very biased show on a very biased channel. It is mainly supportive of the right wing and anything that is considered conservative republican. It is the channel, after all, that has shows like Hannity and Colmes and Bill O'reily, which are two major major right wing pundits. You will rarely hear a positive thing said in support of Obama.

Oh so let me get this straight - Good Morning America, Oprah, Ellen, Dr. Phil, Regis and Kelly and every.single.person who comes to their speaking engagements and gets to ask them a question are all right wing conservative/republican?

I don't think so.

People are asking them the normal questions that is asked of this family. *IF* Bill O'Reilly, 20/20, Dateline or any other investigative work is to be done, they that is when the tough questions will come out. But they're not booked to be asked the tough questions, they're booked right now for damage control and regarding GMA and F&F, their book.

You're interpretation of Fox News is the only thing thing that's biased. They're the #1 cable news channel for a reason. Get over it.

Anonymous said...

There is no way in heck that her kids would ever wear KMart threads.

In one of the last new shows I saw the girls had on shirts with Abby Caddaby from Sesame Street. They sell these at KMart, WalMart and maybe JCPenney's so maybe she got some freebies for the layaway bit?

Anonymous said...

my9cats said...
"As for the long drive to pre-school, on the episode where they went to church and the "Cocoa Castle Playground", Kate said that the twins went to pre-school there (at the church) and that the tups will, too. I think that it is located in their old neighborhood, an hour away."
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Isn't this the church in Sinking Spring where Kate's dad used to be an asst. pastor?

Anonymous said...

To the poster with regards to the possible gosselin brand at KMart, I am actually surprised that there havent been any "modeling" jobs with the gosselins for the gymboree brand.

i always thought that one day i would be shopping at gymboree or gymboree.com and see all 8 of them on there modeling the clothes or even for a print ad.

we dont have kmart anymore near where i live, so i am thankful that i wont have to hear about kon and kmart krap too much in ads if thats where all this is leading to.

i have also noticed that at em tanners website it is not the gosselins pic that is on there, it is trista and ryans pic that is on there.

kate must want an awful lot of money to have her pic adverstised with a product, look at what she did to her family and friends. no one was going to profit off her kids other ther herself.

dolphinfoxx said...

Yes, the tups go to pre school where they go to church. They go to church in Sinking Springs at Glad Tidings. I know this because I live 5 minutes from the church.

Anonymous said...

i have also noticed that at em tanners website it is not the gosselins pic that is on there, it is trista and ryans pic that is on there.

Because Kate wouldn't give her permission to use the kids images anymore on her blog and website.

Eric said...

My wife introduced me to this blog due to the issue of the children and their working hours, being exploited, etc. I, personally, have only seen a few full episodes of J&K+8 and everyone I've seen Kate has been demeaning Jon in some way, shape or form. As a man (and husband) I see that he never stands up for himself, but maybe his life would be a "living hell" if he actually did stand up to Kate. My wife's SIL (woman married to her brother) is a lot like Kate and when my BIL stands up for himself and says something to her, she quite literally makes it a living hell for him. Anyway, my point is, if we are all trying to get this show off of the air for the kids' sake, why are SO MANY people even bothering to discuss the many superficial things like Kate's hair, Jon's hair, Kate's "workout" body, the free clothes the kids are wearing, etc. I think sometimes people lose sight of what the real issue is and just like to bitch and moan about something, even if it's superficial and pointless. My wife is constantly telling people about the petition to get them off the air every time she hears someone praise this show, and I will do the same! I'm really glad this blog exists for that reason, though. yeah!!

Anonymous said...

I just watched the video of Jon and Kate on the Fox website. What a farce. Kate says it has always been Jon's job to work and her job to save money. What is Jon's job now?? We don't see him going to work and we know he doesn't have a job anymore. Kate also talks about clipping coupons and planning her meals each week around what is on sale at the grocery store. Right. How often does she even cook when all of the food is provided thru the show?

How many times did Kate say "umm" in this interview? OMG. And her hair! And I swear it is like Jon is mute. He says all of 10 words when directly asked a question. Otherwise, it is like he is Kate's lapdog and just sits there silently. Maybe that is his "job".

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
i have also noticed that at em tanners website it is not the gosselins pic that is on there, it is trista and ryans pic that is on there.

Because Kate wouldn't give her permission to use the kids images anymore on her blog and website.

Kate only gives permission for her children's images if complete strangers are willing to pay the right price to acquire them, ie 'yard sale' and 'college fund'.

Anonymous said...

Our neighbors up the street have lost their house. They had a yard sale today to basically sell everything they own to try to raise some cash. They have four sons. Mom and Dad are gainfully employed, but Dad's business has been severely affected by the economic downturn. They're nice people. No craft services, magic couches full of change, or personal chefs in sight.

J & K Gosselin seem to be the only parents in America fortunate enough to be 'blessed' with the magical couch. In the 28+ years raising my family, the only thing my couch has blessed me with was a place to rest my tired body after a long hard day's work.

Anonymous said...

I remember at the time when they were doing the "Special Day" episodes, Kate (while on the couch) tried to explain why Jon went with the girls. She said something to the effect that she doesn't like to drive "hither, something and something" (in true Kate fashion) and that was why Jon had to go with her and girls, and why she wasn't "needed" to go on the boys special days.

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How sad that Kate thinks she should only go if she's needed - how about going because you want to spend time with your child ?

Anonymous said...

What I don't get, is the draw KON has on teenage girls? Many of the girls I work with (in retail) were so excited to see KON on the magazine cover." Oh, she's so funny the way she treats her husband. Oh, it's so funny to watch the kids have meltdowns"
That truly concerns me. There's a whole group of young women out there how thinks it funny to treat you husband like that and laugh at your kids being sad.
Just another downside to KON being on air"

Not my teenager. She hates the show. She can't stand KON and asks why anyone would even watch it.

Anonymous said...

Why do any of you watch the show or follow them on thier interviews, especially if you dislike them so much. The fact of the matter is, if all of you stopped watching it the ratings of the show would drop. And while you all whine about how horrific they are, they are still making money and getting freebies. So actually this entire thing is helping them, not hurting them.

Anonymous said...

"But they're not booked to be asked the tough questions, they're booked right now for damage control and regarding GMA and F&F, their book."

Nor would J & K ever agree to an appearance that would knowingly subject themselves to the tough questions. I also agree with previous comments suggesting that the children accompanying J & K on their live appearances act as a buffer minimizing any potential for touch questions and criticism.

Barb said...

Just looking at the Em Tanner site too. I see they refer to the 'Kate' calendar on their site. But on the most recent episode. I noticed that the calendar, on the fridge, was blurred out. I thought it was because they wanted a 'timeless' episode but now I think it's because they couldn't get permission from Em Tanner.

Anonymous said...

I have to say in defense of the Phillies thing (NOT in defense of Jon and Kate or the show...whatever with them), going to a Phillies game and doing the activities described is something actually not terribly expensive, and on certain days any kid with a ticket (as low as $15 on special kid days) can run the bases and meet the Phanatic and a player. I'm sure their stuff will be private and free, but it is available to the public for very little cost. It isn't like pro Football which is much more expensive. AND the Phillies and Major League Baseball do HUGE amounts of giving to charities and causes like Make-a-Wish, and while I don't see why they needed to give a free day to these jokers, it won't take away from the good work that they do. It is true that minor league parks are great for families, but if you live close-ish to a major league stadium that is not Fenway, Wrigley or Yankee (all notoriously pricey and more difficult to land tickets to than Citizen's Bank where the Phils play), I highly recommend a family outing there once your kids are potty trained.

Anonymous said...

Tonight I went to a friends house for a party, (the Tupperware kind!) and one of the ladies tsaid "Jon and Kate were on the tv the other morning and Kate made meatloaf and it looked sooo good". The others started talking about how they thought (or assumed) Kate was a good cook, and they really wanted to see them on GMA but they had to work.

I started to question what they thought was so wonderful about the meatloaf but I quickly realized I was in a room full of J/K supporters, so I kept my mouth shut....... And it was'nt easy! I had told my neighbor about GWOP a couple months ago but I guess she never did her research. Jon and Kate have so many people fooled:(

Anonymous said...

I saw Kate on some show (not sure if it was GMA or Fox or which news program?) and she was talking about how it's really important this year to stay within a budget for Christmas and groceries etc... What a hypocryt!! That woman has the nerve to say something like that when they are given a McMansion somewhere in the south, they were given a vacation home for a week, they have craft services for most of their meals, they have free clothes from various companies around the country and this idiot woman is talking about how this year it is really important to stay within a budget? Helllllloooo!!! Kate you're contradicting yourself again.

There are families all over this country who are living paycheck to paycheck and she has the nerve to go on national tv and cry poor mouth? When will this insanity ever end?

Anonymous said...

Tripletsmom: There was no sink available so Kate couldn't wash her hands. Just because she did it that way on the GMA does not mean that she does the same thing at home. She did wipe her hands on a towel afterwards. She also didn't touch the bread. She only used the knife to spread mayonnaise or whatever on the a slice of bread. The sandwiches that Jon, Sam, and Diane were eating from were the ones that were already prepared at the other end of the table. They were not touched by Kate.

Anonymous said...

Tonight I went to a friends house for a party, (the Tupperware kind!) and one of the ladies tsaid "Jon and Kate were on the tv the other morning and Kate made meatloaf and it looked sooo good". The others started talking about how they thought (or assumed) Kate was a good cook, and they really wanted to see them on GMA but they had to work.

I started to question what they thought was so wonderful about the meatloaf but I quickly realized I was in a room full of J/K supporters, so I kept my mouth shut....... And it was'nt easy! I had told my neighbor about GWOP a couple months ago but I guess she never did her research. Jon and Kate have so many people fooled:(

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What a tough situation - you know the truth, but don't want to cause a scene at your friend's party!!
I think if it were not such a personal gathering or it was in my home, or I knew everyone there very well, I would have said something. But, you were being a polite friend/guest.

Janice said...

En route to Hawaii the Gosselins touch down in San Diego, California for a few days of exploration. Jon and Kate take the kids to Legoland, a huge theme park celebrating Legos, and embark on a safari at the nationally renowned San Diego Zoo.
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Don't you mean exploitation?

Stefanie said...

I missed them on GMA and Fox, but from the sound of it its not even worth you tubing it.

As for the major league baseball game, I think it is awesome that some of the kids get to go! I wonder why ALL the kids cant go, but Im sure we'll get some BS reason that baseball is for BOYS and since Cara likes sports she got a free pass. I live very close to Yankee Stadium and have been taking my children to games since they were three years old. Every year we get there for several games and everytime they have had a blast. There is nothing like going to a pro game. We have also been to minor league games, but nothing compares to Yankee Stadium (so sad to see it close!).

I dont think its a bad thing to try to give your children as many different experiences as you can, although I think what J&K lack is the ability to allow thier children to have a wonderful and fun childhood first and scatter the life experiences into the mix.

Anonymous said...

In the Fox interview today, they were "on guard" at all times. Watching the kids start to make noise and move around, both were trying to give them a signal to settle down.
Every question that was posed to them--Jon looked over at her to answer. Nice teamwork there. He doesn't DARE say the wrong thing. She is losing control of Mady though as she gets older.
She lied about planning her meals according to the sale flyers, and added a blatant ad for KMart. She doesn't put one thing on layaway.
I hope she gets Jon a dictionary for Christmas, though. He said in writing the book, they put things in "respective" for the viewers.
What a couple of star wannabees.

Katie said...

Barb Said:
Just looking at the Em Tanner site too. I see they refer to the 'Kate' calendar on their site. But on the most recent episode. I noticed that the calendar, on the fridge, was blurred out. I thought it was because they wanted a 'timeless' episode but now I think it's because they couldn't get permission from Em Tanner.
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Actually, I took this is a security thing, or a damage control thing. Not so much that they couldn't get her permission to use it, but that they didn't want us to read it. I have things like "staff meeting," "grocery shopping," "Ben's pictures," "mortgage payment due," and "car payment due" written on my calendar. I wonder what kind of things KON as written on their calendar? "Sit on butt on plastic chair in garage." "Don't do anything." "Exploit children." "Go hither, tither, and yon . . . for free." "Take over the world."

Christian_N_Daniel_Mommy said...

There are families all over this country who are living paycheck to paycheck and she has the nerve to go on national tv and cry poor mouth? When will this insanity ever end?
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Kate Gosselin knows better to cry poor mouth now. I do think, however that J&K need a new PR rep because someone is obviously telling them to say things like this. Jon and Kate have no clue the hardships the average American is going through today but I'm sure production wants Jon and Kate to still be (somewhat) relate-able people... otherwise they have know show. No one wants to spend the first evening of a very hard week (in a world where people actually have to work for the things they get and the food they eat) sitting on the couch watching a couple of crazy immature kid-parents to 8 get lathered up with all the riches and free vacations that your average Joe only dreams about...

Jon and Kate are on their way out. It's absurd to me that anyone may still believe that they have it "tough" just because they have 8 kids. Yep, kids are tough - especially 8 but there are people out there doing it EVERY DAY without the help of freebies and craft services. There are people out there (adult people who take responsibility for their actions) who WORK for what they have and what they give their children instead of their children WORKING to give the parents what they want.

::sigh:: Jon and Kate are laughable "parents" and I don't understand how their fans don't see that.

alana said...

I just saw Paul Peterson on CNN Headline news; it's 12:30 a.m. Hawaii time, 3 hours earlier than California time.

God! It's helping, it's helping!

I can hardly type straight I'm so excited.

The most important thing is to write to the Pennsylvania Dept. of Labor - they (CNN) said they "haven'y had any complaints" about J&K &8.

Moderators, do you have an address so we can get started right away?

THANK YOU, GWOP and moderators, on behalf of all of our efforts!

Anonymous said...

Finally GWOP us being understood. Paul Peterson is now being interviewed on CNN Headlines News about the Gosselin family. He is discussing how the children are being used. GWOP is also mentioned. This is a homerun victory today!

Kate said...

Did anyone see the piece on J&K+8 on CNN Headline News? I just saw it this morning. They interviewed Paul Peterson from a Minor Consideration.
It was only a matter of time before the story hit the major news networks. GWOP was even mentioned. I checked the CNN website but there wasn't video up to watch yet.

Anonymous said...

Gosselins without pity is on the NEWSSS YES!!

Anonymous said...

I've never posted before but wanted to see if anyone saw CNN last night with Paul Peterson? He was on talking about how the show should be canceled. They even showed GWOP and Aunt Jodi's blog. It was on late, late last night.
Tigerfan

Anonymous said...

Ok, My husband said the funniest thing. J&K refused to give cnn an interview and my husband said to throw $20.00 at them and they will. HA!

Anonymous said...

Also, no one has contacted the board of labor.. I'm sure that will change now.. Thank you CNN for excellent reporting and for putting it on the roundaboutnews.

Anonymous said...

I don't know if anyone else saw this, but I was watching Headline News at 7:55 am Central time and they were talking about the gosselins and wondering if they were exploiting their childrend and they mentioned and showed screenshots of your blog and Julie's!

Anonymous said...

I think GWOP is getting somewhere. Last night around midnight my time, Paul Petrson was doing an interview on CNN. They mentioned GWOP and The Truth Breeds Hate on the air. Jon and Kate had no comment for CNN, but TLC gave a statement saying something to the effect of ".......this show gives Kate G the oppurtunity to be a stay at home mom and gives them the luxury to.....". Again, I am paraphrasing the TLC comment but you get the gyst.

It is just too bad it was shown in the wee hours of the morning. But, that is just the first editorial ( I think) on the exploitation of the kids. I am sure that there will be more to come now. It looks like everyones E-mails are working!! YEAH!!!

Anonymous said...

Just did a little research:

K Mart is a subsidiary of:

Sears Holdings Corporation
3333 Beverly Rd.
Hoffman Estates, IL 60179
847-286-2500

They sponsored Extreme Makeover Home Edition

Anonymous said...

I think the mainstream media is paying attention. I was flipping through the channels this morning and CNN Headline News had a story about the Gosselins that looked like it was taken from their Showbiz Tonight program. There was a comment from Mr Petersen and mentioned this blog and Jodi's sister's blog.

Also, on the GMA appearance, was it me or did it seem like Kate was trying to get the kids to sing when they mentioned Mary Poppins. I thought she said something like, "they know how to sing 'Just a Spoonful of Sugar'", but none of the kids were singing.

paula s said...

Is there somewhere online to view the CNN interview?

C said...

Hey you guys are doing GREAT! Saw the piece on CNN with Paul Petersen - YEAH! Keep up the good work! (And I think this needs a new title/discussion topic - yes?)

Chris said...

For anyone who wants to see their appearance on Fox and Friends, here is the link:

http://www.foxnews.com//video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3155613&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://greenroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/19/joe-the-plumber/

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Finally GWOP us being understood. Paul Peterson is now being interviewed on CNN Headlines News about the Gosselin family. He is discussing how the children are being used. GWOP is also mentioned. This is a homerun victory today!

10/19/2008 3:49 AM


I can't tell you how extremely happy I am to hear this! Great great news!

All those emails I sent (and everyone else) are FINALLY FINALLY being heard and taking notice.

Keep up the great work everyone - we are making a difference!

Anonymous said...

The spot on CNN with Paul Peterson aired at 10:00 a.m. EST It is now 10:26 a.m. EST it is on again, so obviously the story is in their hourly rotation of stories. THANK YOU PAUL PETERSON!!

Anonymous said...

Just as an FYI their still airing the clip on CNN Headline News. I just saw it at 10:25 est on 10/19.

I find it odd that the PA LABOR Union or whatever said that they have not had any complaints about child labor laws and the Gosselins. Also, the response that TLC gave was random. Again, talking about economic security.

hellokitty said...

Congratulations everyone! I think we've all finally been heard!

CNN Headline News repeats their stories, so everyone should be able to catch it some time today.

lifeoriley said...

I just saw the CNN Headline News piece also this morning --they must be re-running it on a rotation. Not surprisingly, J&K declined their request for an interview on this piece, so they just showed clips provided by TLC.
Also, regarding the PA Labor board, PA does not have any strict regulations regarding the use of minors in the entertainment industry. The laws (from what I have read--I could be wrong) do not mention minors in a weekly TV reality series. There are people who would argue that the kids are not working or that they are not violating any PA labor laws currently on the books. Also, from what I can understand, the labor board is a regulatory entity--it can only act if an existing law has been broken.
New laws need to be enacted--the loopholes for "reality" TV need to be closed.

Anonymous said...

YAY CNN ! A network FINALLY has enough balls to expose these money grubbing parents for what they are. I'm hoping FOX will pick it up next.

CrazyCatLady said...

Re: the CNN story on the Gosselins...I just caught it at 11:25 s.m. Eastern, so it's obviously cycling through CNN's daily news stories. We have been speculating that KON has been in major "damage control mode" lately...I can't wait to see what happens now that GWoP has had national exposure. And did you catch TLC's response the the show gives the children the opportunity of having "stay-at-home" parents"?

Lonnyswife said...

Just caught it!!!! WooHoo!!!!!
Interesting comment from the PA dept of labor though.
Wonder what Gov. Redell did with the letters/emails HE received in regards to the G's????
Dumbass. His JOB would have been to pass them on to the property authoritative body.

Anonymous said...

Well, folks, I guess it's time we now contact the PA Dept. of Labor and Industry to complain about the filming of those children. According to the CNN report, they haven't received any complaints, which I find IMPOSSIBLE to believe! There is power in numbers, so lets go!

Anonymous said...

New house for the family? It's been a long time since I heard they were getting a home in North Carolina.

Does anyone know exactly where and when it will be finished? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Headline News just had a brief report on the Gosselins and A Minor Consideration. Gosselins Without Pity was shown, as was the Truth website.

In sum: they showed parts of episodes and then had a brief statement from A Minor Consideration. They showed the blogs and then stated John and Kate had no comment. TLC made a statement that the show provides "economic security and the luxury of having a stay at home mom." So obviously the kids aren't exploited. The reporter noted that there have been no complaints to the Pennsylvania labor board about child labor. Someone should file a report. If there is no exploitation, they should have nothing to hide.

Judy said...

I couldn't find the report on the CNN website. Does anyone think this was actually submitted by J&K as a sort of "heading them off at the pass" sort of thing? I haven't seen it but from what you've all described, it sounds like they brought up the negativity but then shot it down by giving a reason WHY J&K have reason to do what they do.

Anonymous said...

I bet you that the sponsors are scrambling and some of them have already dropped out.
Exploiting children is not something sponsors want to be associated with.
I wonder if Kate has now put this into "God's hands".
People love a good scandal, I bet the book sales go up.

Anonymous said...

I'm tired of their excuse "we did this bc we didn't have enough time to video their lives". In my opinion the children are old enough for J&K to be able to video tape them. Also, their other reason of "wanting people to understand them" - why should they care what other people think about them. I think Jon also said "people will look at them anyway" as another reason. But shouldn't home be the ONE place those children should be able to just be kids and not be stared at?

Judy said...

I just watched the Fox and Friends interview.
Mady said "What?" After Kate talked about "not having to hide the presents" because the poor thing just got the hard lesson that Santa isnt real :( Kate inadvertently let the cat out of the bag.

Also, I noticed Kate say that her job is to stay home and Jon's job is to work....that was just a lie. Why not tell the truth?
She isn't using layaway. She is getting FREE CRAP from Kmart in exchange for her endorsement. This is another lie.
Blechhh...I need a shower now.

Anonymous said...

"TLC made a statement that the show provides "economic security and the luxury of having a stay at home mom."


I find it interesting that TLC placed itself in the position of commenting on the aspect of 'economic security and the luxery of having a stay at home mom' as it applies to J & K Gosselin. This comment by TLC IMO comes across as making excuses for and justifying the decision by J & K decision to agree to do reality tv show. Being part of the entertainment industry, what personal loyalty does TLC have to J & K, so much so, to the extent that they feel obligated to defend J & K's actions to the media? Why didnt TLC simply comment staying within the premise of the show and the entertainment value it provides to its viewers? I find the comment by TLC to be completely contradictory to the email statements that have been published within this blog site.

Anonymous said...

Wonder what Gov. Redell did with the letters/emails HE received in regards to the G's????
Dumbass. His JOB would have been to pass them on to the property authoritative body.


I would encourage anyone who contacted him to forward that information to CNN, the Labor Board, and his office.

Anonymous said...

I find it hard to believe that the PA labor board has received no complaints regarding the Gosselin reality show as it applies to the use of child labor. IMO, they HAVE received numerous complaints, but because the complaints were not submitted in an 'official' capacity form therefore not 'officially' acknowledged.

Anonymous said...

In light of J & K's recent book release and the numerous Gosselin family appearances on morning tv, I find the CNN report and Paul Peterson interview to be extremely well timed !

sabrinasmom said...

"TLC made a statement that the show provides "economic security and the luxury of having a stay at home mom."

Since the financial security of ALL Mothers has been affected by today's economy, I encourage all of you to write to TLC and request that they provide your family with "economic security and the luxury of having a stay at home mom."

Anonymous said...

i saw the CNN piece late last night. It was on CNN newsroom I believe. IT was called "Questioning Jon and Kate" and I was stunned! It was the first remotely questioning piece I have seen on TV. They flashed both Julie's website and this one saying there are critics who wonder if the kids are being exploited. They are saying that exploitation can only be proven if the kids are being treated badly. Paul Peterson said that tehre are effects now and they will be seen down the line.

I wonder if since they built the Gosselins up, the media is now in the 'open to tearing them down stage'. They need to fill air time after all. In spite of some amount of damage control, I view this as a VERY positive sign. We need to up the ante somehow! Is there a way to get more complainsts to the state of PA? (who claim there have been none??)

Anonymous said...

http://www.dli.state.pa.us/landi/cwp/view.asp?a=136&Q=66181

Anonymous said...

Let's all go to CNN's website and write them and thank them for this piece and ENCOURAGE them to do a follow-up and address all the lies these people are dishing out...I know I'm going to that right now. I'm also going to rewrite FOX again and tell them about the CNN clip and encourage them to jump on this band wagon.

Anonymous said...

Kudos to Gosselins Without Pity! I saw your blog on CNN this morning! So for all your critics out there, wake up! This blog is making a difference and getting the word out about the Gosselin's and the horrible exploitation of their children for monetary gain! It's wrong, just wrong! These people can take their Christian rantings and go away. No Christians would be so greedy to live off the backs of their children. It's shameful!

Anonymous said...

"TLC made a statement that the show provides "economic security and the luxury of having a stay at home mom."

Yeah, do they mention the stay at home Dad? Wouldn't all families of multiples love to stay home and raise their children while a production company foots the bill? This is outrageous. There is nothing special about the Gosselin's. The kids aren't even cute anymore and they are not well behaved. These parents need to learn how to discipline their children. It's such a disservice to them. They are going to grow up so entitled and they will have a rude awakening. It's inevitable, and sad at the same time.

Mom of 2 Boys in VB said...

"TLC made a statement that the show provides "economic security and the luxury of having a stay at home mom."


I find this statement very offensive. Considering a big majority of their programming is aimed towards women (especially their daytime programming), I wonder how many of them are working mothers.

I'd love to see the View comment on this show during their Hot Topics. Two of their cohosts have children close in age to the sextuplets and if they commented on it, it would get a lot more attention.

my9cats said...

So Kate has the luxury of being a stay-at-home mom. How special. How insulting to all the hardworking parents that have no choice but to work real jobs to put food on the table and roofs over their families heads. I notice TLC said nothing about Jon having the luxury of being a stay-at-home dad. Wonder why. I guess they hope that one whizzes by the public. Oh to be a fly on the wall at the KON house!

Anonymous said...

I'd love to see the View comment on this show during their Hot Topics. Two of their cohosts have children close in age to the sextuplets and if they commented on it, it would get a lot more attention.

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I've been saying this for weeks!! Not only do Sherry and Elisabeth have young children, but Barbara, Joy and Whoopi all had children while they were celebrities and have talked a lot about shielding them from the media, paparazzi, etc. It would be a good Hot Topics!!

Anonymous said...

"TLC made a statement that the show provides "economic security and the luxury of having a stay at home mom."


I find this statement very offensive. Considering a big majority of their programming is aimed towards women (especially their daytime programming), I wonder how many of them are working mothers.
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How is that in any way offensive? Having enough financial security to have one parent stay at home with the children is a luxury. Jon and Kate plus 8 is offering the Gosselins economic security.

I don't understand where the offensive part comes into play. TLC did not say anything that would offend working mothers. TLC didn't even say anything that would offend those who are suffering from the economic crisis.

Anonymous said...

So Kate has the luxury of being a stay-at-home mom. How special. How insulting to all the hardworking parents that have no choice but to work real jobs to put food on the table and roofs over their families heads.
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Again, how in the world is this insulting? Do you take this much offense when you hear about other stay-at-home mothers? Is any mother who is able to stay at home with her children a slap in the face to mothers who cannot afford to do so?

SmartyQ said...

10/19/2008 10:55 AM Anonymous said... "TLC made a statement that the show provides "economic security and the luxury of having a stay at home mom."

Yeah, do they mention the stay at home Dad?

I wonder if Jon is reading the 'Help Wanted' section of the newspaper today.

Anonymous said...

I live in PA 5 miles from Gov Ed Rendells Office. There ARE child labor laws in PA. There are exclusions for children working on family farms, or family businesses (designed for Amish families.)

I personally contacted Pa Dept of Labor over 2 weeks ago, so yes they HAVE been contacted, regardless of what CNN states.

In a previous attempt at a blog, I provided the Commonwealth of PA website that states the exact wording of the Child Labor Law, and the email address to write to the PA Dept of Labor, to express your concerns.

For whatever reason, I was blocked. That may be because I gave out an official Commonwealth website. That is public information, but perhaps is not in keeping with the spirit of this blog. I respect that.

Please do not continue saying that PA has no Children's Labor Laws, because it is not true.

Ed Rendell is preoccupied right now with his own set of problems. Our Lt Gov is fighting for her life down at Johns Hopkins, and we all wish her well. Also, nearly all of the democratic members of our State Congress are being investigated for misuse of public funds. So don't be surprised if you do not hear back from him.

Rosey in Washington said...

How is that in any way offensive? Having enough financial security to have one parent stay at home with the children is a luxury. Jon and Kate plus 8 is offering the Gosselins economic security.

I don't understand where the offensive part comes into play. TLC did not say anything that would offend working mothers. TLC didn't even say anything that would offend those who are suffering from the economic crisis.

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Its offensive because its all a BIG FAT LIE! All Jon and Kate do is LIE, LIE, LIE!! They sit there and try to act like "ordinary parents in a extraordinary situation of having 8 kids". Well, you know what, that is NOT the case at all anymore!

There is such a HUGE difference between the show/Jon and Kate when they first started on TV vs. the show/Jon and Kate NOW. Their entire life has changed. They are now RICH, NEITHER of them work a real job (so therefore are of course not in the bit relateable people), they get EVERYTHING for free, they go on vacations like 50 times a year to luxary places and resorts FOR FREE, and the list could go on and on.

Another thing, if Jon and Kate have NOTHING to hide and are doing NOTHING wrong in their opinion, then WHY refuse to talk to CNN and defend themselves?????????????
I know that if CNN was somehow talking about me and my kids in that way, I would be the FIRST person to defend myself, I wouldnt have to "hide" behind my network. How PATHETIC!!

Jon and Kate....you guys are SCAM ARTISTS who are scamming America into believing that you guys are normal hard-working people with 8 kids...and you know what?? Your damn GRAVY TRAIN is going to be GONE soon because some people are too smart to play into your LIES and now its getting NATIONAL attention!! HAHA...now maybe you should freakin LISTEN and let your children and their well beings come BEFORE your money grubbing hands!!!

Anonymous said...

Kate could have been a stay at home mom if she'd stopped at two or if Jon had enough ambition to get an education and better job opportunities. Lots of people want to be stay at home parents but don't exploit their children to fulfill that dream.
TLC, what happened with the lame excuse that it was a documentary at least now you admit it's not. Though you want to pain yourselves as "good guys" just helping Jon and Kate become lazy slugs that live off the back of their babies so they can "stay at home" as if their home is the outer banks, Disney world, Utah, HI and where ever else filming finds the family? Right you just wanted the money too that those minor children brought into your coffers and could care less if Kate stayed at home or went to the spa 24/7. PU the BS stinks all the way here to Podunk.

Anonymous said...

Julie--
Are you aware of J/K's reaction to Paul Peterson's CNN appearance? When the National Enqurier article came out you said thre was a lot going on at the house as they worked on the damage control. I'm just curious to see how J/K are reacting now.

Anonymous said...

I personally contacted Pa Dept of Labor over 2 weeks ago, so yes they HAVE been contacted, regardless of what CNN states.

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If you listen carefully, the reporter said something like "they have been contacted regarding any child labor laws." Maybe this means they've been contacted, but J&K/TLC/Figure 8 aren't violating any EXISTING child labor laws. That's why new ones should be written to include children in reality shows.

Anonymous said...

The state of PA probably has received several complaints about the Gosselins but they probably disregard them all because they are not legitimate complaints from people close to them. Unless someone close the family comes foward to the state of PA, nothing is going to happen. They are not going to take the word of the family member of the sister in law who is hiding behind a blog. For anything to be done, Jody or someone else would have to start raising hell.

Anonymous said...

"TLC made a statement that the show provides "economic security and the luxury of having a stay at home mom."
Why would TLC make this comment as the statement is not even consistent with the premise of the show or the issue at hand. The statement merely suggests that J & K are on the TLC payroll and as a result, they have been provided 'economic security and the luxery of having a stay at home mom'.

nancy19 said...

"Family Photo Shoot", on 10/20. C'mon now they are really reaching for show material. How many freaking pictures does one family need? These clowns boggle my mind and the longer people keep watching these brain dead shows, the longer Kon will rake in the money. People need to wake up and smell (Kate's) morning coffee, no more Gosselins!

Anonymous said...

I haven't read the PA Labor relations laws (and don't intend to wade thru them as I know I would never understand what was before me) but I'm wondering if along with letters to them about the Gosselin children we should also write to the state legislators who write the bills.

If there are no laws protecting children in PA pertaining to reality tv type shows then the legislature needs to write laws to protect kids working in the industry now and in the future. And, along with letters to each PA rep we should probably send copies to those in NC and wherever else we think J&K might land when they move.

I know it's a lot of copy and pasting, but if we're serious about doing something for the Gosselin kids and others then our time will be well spent - even if we only get one law changed.

One big question before we do any writing to the representatives though - what laws do we ask for? Would Paul Peterson give us direction?

I guess before I do a lot of writing I'll contact him for advice. If I hear anything from him I'll be sure to pass it on to you all!

mollybloom said...

Does anyone think that TLC cares about Kate's being able to stay home with her children? TLC cares about its bottom line and will drop J&K like a hot potato when the show stops pulling in the money.

Anonymous said...

Wait...what? This show gives Kate the luxury to be a SAHM??? Really? I'd like that too, maybe I should pimp out my kids.

And...how is Kate a SAHM? Doe she get up each morning and get them ready for school? Take them to school? Clean the house? Cook meals? Pick the kids up? Do crafts with them? Make a home? No.

How is she a SAHM when they are rarely home between vacations, photo shoots, tv appearances, etc.

Lonnyswife said...

Here is the contact form to send an email to CNN Showbiz Tonight. I am not sure if that is the segment the clip originally aired on but the anchor, Brooke Anderson, is a host of that program and she did the interview and story.

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5c.html?23

Anne said...

CNN needs to know that many have written to the Pennsylvania Labor board b4 this aired and they have lied about not recieving any complaints or concerns regarding it. When you email cc all of them, CNN, TLC, Pennyslvania labor dept., then nobody can say they didnt know!

Eventhough Jon and Kate are soon to be moving they can't run/hide anymore as the snowball is getting bigger daily. Thanks so very much for all you do people at Gosselins Without Pity your hard work has been seen.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"The state of PA probably has received several complaints about the Gosselins but they probably disregard them all because they are not legitimate complaints from people close to them."

Thus the reason why J & K have over the past several years systematically estranged themselves from family and isolated their children from any potential risk of outside influences. They have stratigically surrounded themselves with individuals equally responsible in playing a pivotal role in and reaping the benefits from the exploitation of the Gosselin children.

A Mom-ynous said...

"iluveeyore said...
Maureen McCormick, otherwise known as Marcia Brady, has come out with a book about her drug addiction and her depression. This is surely more interesting than Kate's book.

Another child actor suffering the consequences.

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I agree, There should be no more child actors. All 18 and up please.
That way this cant happen anymore."


What happened to Maureen is that everyone expected her to live up to perfect Marcia as they "knew her".


And while banning children from acting would prevent washed up actors--what about all the other druggies and prostitutes and all else who don't have an acting career from childhood to blame?

And while Kate may not "need" to use coupons or watch her spending, I just have two words:

Dave Ramsey

A Mom-ynous said...

"I saw Kate on some show (not sure if it was GMA or Fox or which news program?) and she was talking about how it's really important this year to stay within a budget for Christmas and groceries etc... What a hypocryt!! "

Are you saying that only poor people operate on a budget?

I think it is important for everyone to be on a budget, don't you?

It would be foolish to not be on a budget and certainly an unsafe plan for a family with 8 children to raise on any income.

Anonymous said...

Its offensive because its all a BIG FAT LIE! All Jon and Kate do is LIE, LIE, LIE!! They sit there and try to act like "ordinary parents in a extraordinary situation of having 8 kids". Well, you know what, that is NOT the case at all anymore!
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It is not a big fat lie. TLC said that the show has offered the Gosselins financial security. That is true. TLC said that the family therefore has the luxury of having a stay-at-home mom. That is also true. TLC did not lie in that statement. Their statement to CNN is the equivalent of them saying, "The sky is blue, and grass is green,"; two statements that are completely bland and utterly factual.

A Mom-ynous said...

"New laws need to be enacted--the loopholes for "reality" TV need to be closed."

Even if they are closed (Which I agree they should be), the show could still be able to be filmed and aired probably for the same number of shows per year without any trouble at all. (filming 8 hours a day X 5 days per week...)

At best, they would match the laws for film and television and they would still have plenty of time to film the kids.

"Again, how in the world is this insulting? Do you take this much offense when you hear about other stay-at-home mothers? Is any mother who is able to stay at home with her children a slap in the face to mothers who cannot afford to do so?"

I found the statement ignorant.

If this were a sitcom or film, economic security does not allow children to work outside the protection of the law. IOW--if the law limits them to an 8 hour work day, they cannot decide that the kids will work a 12 hour day b/c the show provides economic security.

The statement probably refers to why they "allow" the program or what not in a round about way--but in a response to "employment" it was just a dumb answer.

Anonymous said...

The Fox and Friends was definitely a Kmart "live ad". Instead of paying for a commercial with actors they use J&K and they pay for time. Kinda like the old time ads for soaps that were injected in variety shows in the 50's. They are cheaper and I can almost guess that it was included in her Kmart contract. Definitely Kmart, Rainman Jon, Defintely Kmart

A Mom-ynous said...

On the filing complaints:

While I live in a different state, I have inquired for filing a labor complaint for an issue in my own workplace regarding myself. I inquired about a potential infraction, but I had to wait until it was realized before the department could do anything.

Well the source of the problem was terminated for another reason in the interim so by the time I came back the issue was resolved and the Dept of Labor couldn't do anything b/c the infraction technically occurred.

I am sure the Dept of Labor most likely behaves under a similar protocol.

A complaint would most likely needed to be filed by someone who observes the infraction. And that probably has not taken place.

While folks have observed parenting behaviors and have come forward via blog, noone has stepped forward and lodged an official complaint.

Additionally--it would have to be a complain that falls under the jurisdiction of the labor department.

I.e., my child cannot call the labor department and complain that she has too many chores and expect them to do anything about it. It just doesn't fall in their jurisdiction.

So far as it stands we have kids being kids being filmed...and then moments such as interviews on television and such.

http://www.dli.state.pa.us/landi/lib/landi/laws-regulations/llc/a-177.pdf

This contains the child labor law in the state of PA. The bottom of page 3 of the document (page 4 of the file) contains the law pertaining to performances and is the closest law available for which a complaint can be filed.

This (IMHO) would be a "similar form of entertainment" as the children are on television for our viewing pleasure and entertaining us even if it is them in their real life being themselves in either action or response to question.

The closest limitation to time regarding motion pictures and the child cannot work more than 8 hours in one day and no more than 44 hours in one week.

This is where we have a problem in advocacy.

Being on set or on location is excluded from work time.

So it cannot be argued that they are working all these hours that the cameras are simply present but not filming b/c that doesn't count. The child isn't working. And this is okay as long as their education, health, and welfare are being cared for.

(section 7.a.1 page 5 of the file)

From what we have seen--the children eat when they are hungry, get naps and to bed when it is time or they become tired (for sleep as opposed to tired of doing an activity), and are otherwise healthy.

The time period for a film is 6 months per permit. The law doesn't list a limitation preventing multiple permits in one year.

So pretend for their 40 episodes that they work only 9 months out of the year officially filming for TLC...the law doesn't explicity prevent them from getting a back to back permit or getting a permit with a break in between.

Since reality television isn't officially covered, then the matter is to get it added (agreed that this should happen).

But aside from a permit not being on file (which at the time is not legally required for this show) and following logic that most likely the children do not work for more than 8 hours in one day or more than 44 hours in a week (family states they only film 4 days a week and the kids schedules are followed and wouldn't allow for more than 8 hours of work)



Q: If an employer is violating the Child Labor Law, whom do I contact?

A: The Pa. Department of Labor and Industry should be given information concerning violations of the law. You can call 1-800-932-0665.

A Mom-ynous said...

" I'm wondering if along with letters to them about the Gosselin children we should also write to the state legislators who write the bills."

This would be more effective.

Presently there is no law regarding reality television.

So thus there are no complaints regarding a violation b/c there are no violations of current PA law.

The legislators can at it--and possibly even restrict it further.

But then PA could lose out on some $$$$ from projects that will just go to other states, so there is a catch-22 when you try to change the law instead of add to it.

Paul Petersen isn't fighting for "reduced" work loads for any child actor as far as I'm aware.

It seems in most any state children can work the equivilant of a full-time job in the entertainment industry.

Paul Petersen's message is getting blurred by hostility.

Does he want the show off the air b/c he doesn't like the parental choices of Jon and Kate or does he want to advocate for children of any from of entertainment including reality/documentary to be covered under child labor law as it pertains to theatrical/film/television?

It should be the latter and that should be the mission of everyone here.

babeeberry said...

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but it seems Katie Irene and her Jonny Boy ticked off animal lovers after their trip to the Outer Banks. My goodness I hope they haven't gotten a dog.


http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/09/jon_and_kate_pl.php

Anonymous said...

What I've found as I've researched the subject of child actors is that under the California laws as an example, children the tups' age CAN work 8 hours a day, HOWEVER, only 4 of those hours can be in front of cameras. The other hours must be 3 hours of teacher/school time and 1 hour of rest/recreation time. The tups definitely spend more than 4 hours in front of the cameras - we've seen episodes that follow them thoughout the day. I think Paul Peterson would probably love to see no children in this business but would be willing to settle for a nationwide "Coogan Law" so film companies couldn't go to states with more lenient child labor laws. If PA or NC were forced to abide by the same laws as CA, the tups would spend much less time in front of the cameras with a teacher/advocate on the set and the public could be assured that J&K are setting aside money for them as would be required by law.

Anonymous said...

Attention GWOP people - The new formal picture episode is a repeat from late January - Just so you know if you don't feel like discussing a re-run.

Anonymous said...

is there a link where I can watch the FOX and Friends segment? I missed it.

Anonymous said...

" I'm wondering if along with letters to them about the Gosselin children we should also write to the state legislators who write the bills."

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I would really like this comment to be posted because I would really like someone to answer my question because perhaps I am missing something on this blog- why should this issue (while I am not saying it is not important) trump the other issues in the state of PA? Why are these children- while perhaps exploited- more important than the children in PA who are being physically and sexually abused or starving and homeless? Why are you writing to our state legislators about the Gosselins when there really are many other children in this state who are worse off?

Anonymous said...

I'm watching Regis and Kelly and the guest is Judge Judy. I would love to hear her thoughts on the Gosselins.

Anonymous said...

Just FYI. My daughter may sign with a modeling agency in New York (where we live), so I've been doing some research. New York requires all child performers to obtain a permit to work. Their school must be notified and attendance monitored. Also, 15% of the child's earnings must be deposited directly by the agency into a trust fund in the child's name.

Ilovemykids said...

Why are these children- while perhaps exploited- more important than the children in PA who are being physically and sexually abused or starving and homeless? Why are you writing to our state legislators about the Gosselins when there really are many other children in this state who are worse off?

Because there are laws that protect children that are physically and sexually abused. There are agencies that will help staring and homeless children.

There are no laws or no agencies that can help the Gosselin children at this point.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Just FYI. My daughter may sign with a modeling agency in New York (where we live), so I've been doing some research. New York requires all child performers to obtain a permit to work. Their school must be notified and attendance monitored. Also, 15% of the child's earnings must be deposited directly by the agency into a trust fund in the child's name.


Modelling, or acting in a scripted play or TV show, comes under the definition of "working". That's the crux of one issue here: because "reality" shows were not in existence when those laws were written, there is a vaguery as to whether the Gosselin children fall under those laws. It will probably take a suit and a court decision to establish a precedent. No doubt all the networks who have reality shows on the air will throw large sums of money toward appealing such a decision, tieing it up in litigation as long as possible. They will also certainly hire lobbyists to stall any proposed legislative changes aimed at incorporating reality-TV into existing labor laws. Reality shows have become an enormous profit center for the networks and it will not be easy for citizen groups to match the networks' legal dollars. In the specific case of Jon and Kate, the more likely scenario is that bad publicity will scare off sponsors, and that will compel TLC to cancel the show.

Chrissy said...

Lordy be - has anyone read this week's devotional on the Gosselin site? It's "do unto others as you would have others do unto you". Gee Kate, would you have yourself filmed in the shower, on the toilet, having poop pulled out of your butt in public, etc and have it shown on national tv? How about taking a little of your own advice? Or does the Bible not apply to you and Jon?

Anonymous said...

The state of PA probably has received several complaints about the Gosselins but they probably disregard them all because they are not legitimate complaints from people close to them. Unless someone close the family comes foward to the state of PA, nothing is going to happen. They are not going to take the word of the family member of the sister in law who is hiding behind a blog. For anything to be done, Jody or someone else would have to start raising hell.

Not true. The department is investigating the matter as they have received quite a few complaints apparently and the person I spoke to assured me that I would be made aware of the developments.
They are taking the matter seriously.

Rosey in Washington said...

Its offensive because its all a BIG FAT LIE! All Jon and Kate do is LIE, LIE, LIE!! They sit there and try to act like "ordinary parents in a extraordinary situation of having 8 kids". Well, you know what, that is NOT the case at all anymore!
___________________

It is not a big fat lie. TLC said that the show has offered the Gosselins financial security. That is true. TLC said that the family therefore has the luxury of having a stay-at-home mom. That is also true. TLC did not lie in that statement. Their statement to CNN is the equivalent of them saying, "The sky is blue, and grass is green,"; two statements that are completely bland and utterly factual.

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I guess I can't argue with the fact that it is "utterly factual". And I guess it would be like TLC saying that the sky is blue IN THE MIDDLE OF A HUGE THUNDERSTORM...or TLC saying that the grass is green WHEN IT HASNT BEEN WATERED IN A YEAR!

Anonymous said...

My heart always breaks when I watch the photo shoot re-run, and I hear Mady say, "I don't know what that is because I wasn't there," when the old family photo is unveiled.

The hurt in her voice was obvious. It was so tactless of all involved to create a moment of such fanfare that explicitly omitted Mady and Cara.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone see the new Duggar show last night? One of the girls was complaining about another camera crew that came into their home (this one was from Korea - on top of the TLC crew that was already there) and how much hard work it was to set up shots and do interviews. Geee...are these kids working? Any time you see someone say "On this episode of" or "Coming up next on," that is a shot that was set up. Same thing for interviews and all the other shots they want to get. But, no, this isn't work.

On Pointe said...

They don't even show episodes of them in their house anymore...every episode is them going somewhere on a free trip. I guarentee that when it comes time for school for the little ones kate's going to pull them out and start homeschooling them...there's no way IMHO that those kids can travel that much and still keep up their grades. This show has so much potential, if Jon and Kate could just find a happy medium. Don't force the kids to work so much, respect their privacy, and mayve limit the shooting to the weekends, or a couple days through out the week. These kids need normalcy.

Krista said...

The following line is from a book I am currently reading, and I felt it was so accurate and descriptive of the Gosselin children's living situation.

"It is not a camera, or a reporter, that makes something real and genuine; more often, a camera or a reporterdoes the opposite."

from "The American Wife", 2008 by Curtis Sittenfeld, page 468

michelle said...

Does anyone know for sure what happen to Beth Carson? Is she still friends with the Gosselins?

Are Kate and Jon promotting the book? Without Beth Carson? How could they do this without her, since she is indeed the co-author? Right?

Has Jody's sister been posting anything?

When they do move out of PA, I wonder if some people, who knew Jon and Kate or have encountered them, will feel that they can now "speak out"? And even possibly get on board and help the children from being exploited, along with this blog and Paul (from the CNN interview)?

Kate will get a rude of awakening when all the children become teenagers. Jon, too.

Do they really spank/hit their children with punishment?

Anyone out there who knew Jon or Kate before the kids? before the two even met each other? I can't help but wonder what they were like? Has this show and the money changed them in the opinion of people who knew them before all of this?

Twinner said...

Just watched the NICU reunion and M&C's 6th birthday trip. Since they are in the same episode it would be logical that they are around the same time, October.

The NICU reunion is every 2 years and this would be the year for one. I wonder if they made good on their promise made in the episode that they would always attened.

Anonymous said...

"michelle said...
Does anyone know for sure what happen to Beth Carson? Is she still friends with the Gosselins?

Are Kate and Jon promotting the book? Without Beth Carson? How could they do this without her, since she is indeed the co-author? Right?

Has Jody's sister been posting anything?

When they do move out of PA, I wonder if some people, who knew Jon and Kate or have encountered them, will feel that they can now "speak out"? And even possibly get on board and help the children from being exploited, along with this blog and Paul (from the CNN interview)?

Kate will get a rude of awakening when all the children become teenagers. Jon, too.

Do they really spank/hit their children with punishment?

Anyone out there who knew Jon or Kate before the kids? before the two even met each other? I can't help but wonder what they were like? Has this show and the money changed them in the opinion of people who knew them before all of this?"
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Wow, Michelle, lots of questions! Regarding Julie (Jodi's sister), she has not been posting any where recently except to add the CNN video to her own blog.

Regarding Kon spanking the kids, they have stated at their speaking engagements that they do spank.

Regarding promoting the book without Beth, a Zondervan press release said they are not having a book promo tour for the Gosselin's new book.

michelle said...

Wow, I just watched the interview with Fox and Friends with Jon and Kate with kids in tow.
By the way, why are Mady and Cara not in school?
When Kate mentioned the K-mart layaway plan that she says she is doing for the upcoming Christmas season (to save money, paying in installments). Mady, after Kate spoke of this, said, "What?". Boy! you should have seen Kate's expression! She looked as if she knew she was lying and Mady called her on it.
Mady is a very smart and outspoken girl. She needs to keep that "voice".

Escribe said...

Another interesting bit about the Fox and Friends interview is that while they talk about the book, there is no mention from KON about Beth as the coauthor. At one point the interviewer asks how they had the time to write a book, and Kate just says they just found the time. Nothing at all about any participation or help from Beth to create the manuscript. On the GMA appearance, the only time Beth was mentioned in relation the book was when the interviewer mentioned she was a coauthor and Kate's only response was, "yes." It's as if Beth was never involved and KON have obviously written her off for good. Beth was a staunch defender of the Gosselins early on, but her silence now is deafening.

bcd5 said...

I am not sure where this belongs, so "Free Discussion" is perhaps the place. I have read in numerous articles, web statements, etc. that at the sextuplets 1st birthday party, the state of PA presented them all (all eight children as I understand) with college savings accounts. I have so many questions about this family and also about the show, but the latest one I have been thinking about is this - when they move away from PA, what happens to these eight savings accounts? Does the state revoke the money and deposit it into some different type of account? Do Jon and Kate empty the accounts and do with the money as they please? Does the state of PA transfer the accounts to the state of NC (or wherever they end up) to be put in the same type of accounts in that state? I have no idea how much money we are talking about here, but even if each account had only $1000.00 in it, that would be $8000.00 floating around for citizens to wonder about. Does anyone have any ideas or answers about this? I'm just curious. Thanks!

On Pointe said...

I have never seen the episode of the sextuplets' 4th birthday. They usually play all the episodes over and over but I can't seem to catch that one....anyone know why??

Anonymous said...

I wonder how they handle Halloween especially now that they are not on good terms with family, former friends, neighbors. Maybe they go trick-or-treating at the hotel rooms of the crew and receive items from a list supplied by Kate. How sad for the kids!

Anonymous said...

It's as if Beth was never involved and KON have obviously written her off for good. Beth was a staunch defender of the Gosselins early on, but her silence now is deafening.

A replay of the photo shoot at Beth and Bob's was on recently. To hear Kate sit on the couch and say "Beth and Bob - they love us and we love them" - I just wanted to throw up. Yes, Kate you loved them until you could use them no more and disposed of them like yesterday's trash. Kate, you really are a despicable woman.

4girlsoneboy said...

You are never going to believe this. Just caught Nick Chavez on QVC and he was telling the host that the newest hairstyle is flat in the front and "rather crazy" in the back. See - Kate was way ahead of her time!

Addison said...

I have never seen the episode of the sextuplets' 4th birthday. They usually play all the episodes over and over but I can't seem to catch that one....anyone know why??
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Aw, you mean "Cupcake-Gate?" That one got a LOT of complaints, so I can see why TLC might not want to play it as much anymore in an attempt at damage control. If you haven't seen it, you aren't missing much. It's one of the worst episodes ever and Kate is really in rare form.

4girlsoneboy said...

"A replay of the photo shoot at Beth and Bob's was on recently. To hear Kate sit on the couch and say "Beth and Bob - they love us and we love them" - I just wanted to throw up."

My husband was surfing through the TV channels the other night and I made him stop when I realized that Beth was on during a rerun. As previously stated, I stopped watching the show after the shopping trip to Banana Republic. I was surprised to hear Beth say that they spent every Sunday together. Sundays have always been a "family" day with us and sad that they couldn't be spending a day with family but even sadder that they don't even get to spend it with Beth anymore. Not only are these two dysfunctional, they have even managed to take the fun out of dysfunctional.

Anonymous said...

michelle said...

Anyone out there who knew Jon or Kate before the kids? before the two even met each other? I can't help but wonder what they were like? Has this show and the money changed them in the opinion of people who knew them before all of this?
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My hubby knew Jon during his school years and right after graduation. Kate was not in the picture at that point. Jon's dad was also my hubby's dentist growing up as a kid. My MIL use to work in the Reading Hospital w/ Kate and she has always been the kind of person she is now. Rude, loud, all-about-me attitude. She was difficult to work w/ according to my MIL. According to my hubby Jon was a nice guy but not a family man, did not want kids, was a ladies man/player, not the type to settle down, laid-back kind of attitude. When he sees portions of the show, he just can't believe thats him and how much he has changed.

Anonymous said...

in response to: "I have been thinking about is this - when they move away from PA, what happens to these eight savings accounts? Does the state revoke the money and deposit it into some different type of account? Do Jon and Kate empty the accounts and do with the money as they please? Does the state of PA transfer the accounts to the state of NC (or wherever they end up) to be put in the same type of accounts in that state? I have no idea how much money we are talking about here, but even if each account had only $1000.00 in it, that would be $8000.00 floating around for citizens to wonder about. Does anyone have any ideas or answers about this? I'm just curious. Thanks!"

Not only did the Gov. of PA establish the TAP accounts but also provided the public with a 800# for directions on how they can donate to the accounts. I know the public is not subject to the details of the individual TAP accounts eastablished in the name of the Gosselin children, however I am curious as to how many individuals,businesses, et actually donated $$ to these accounts with the understanding that the funds were to be utilized soley for the purpose of the children's college education and if in fact the donated monies are still present and accounted for in each account.What prompts my curiosity is that J & K continue to make claim that no college funds exist and are selling autographed photos of the family at speaking engagements as a way to raise funds for their children's education. IMO The TAP accounts did exist at one time and any funds donated by the public were utilized for purposes other than the children's college education, the TAP accounts exist and J&K are claiming that they, as parents, have not established a fund for their children's college education (which would be incorrect as they HAVE and continue to sell photographs for that purpose). My guess is, the TAP accounts do exist, J & K are and will continue to sell photographs under the guise of funding their children's college education, J & K are scam artists and are claiming the 'no college funds' as a way to continue their CASH ONLY PLEASE flow of $$$$$.

Anonymous said...

hi addison, you can catch cupcakegate on youtube just input jon and Kate plus 8 fourth birthday and it will pop up - get ready to hate Kate more than ever - she is really cruel, mean and just plain manipulative throughout the entire show and the balless wonder is just as bad - they have the kids WAIT ALL DAY TO EAT THEIR BIRTHDAY CUPCAKES and then take them away from the boys because they didn't eat enough dinner - kate goes ballistic as usual when the kids act like kids IMO the crew even hated her during that debacle

Anonymous said...

I was just wondering if anyone knows how many hours the Roloffs or the Duggars film per week. It seems as though the Roloffs don't film as often (their seasons are shorter and up until recently they hadn't had any new episodes for a while). I don't know about the Duggars since they only just started airing their show. I was just wondering if filming 3-4 days a week is the "norm" for these TLC shows.

Anonymous said...

Sorry for "double posting," but I just noticed as I was browsing E!'s website that even they mentioned the Gosselin controversy:

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b64905_runway_rout8212and_top_10_things_know.html

Anonymous said...

"I wonder how they handle Halloween especially now that they are not on good terms with family, former friends, neighbors. Maybe they go trick-or-treating at the hotel rooms of the crew and receive items from a list supplied by Kate. How sad for the kids!"
________________
I'm sure they will put out a "WE DO NOT DO HALLOWEEN. KEEP OFF OUR PROPERTY AND DO NOT RING OUR DOORBELL AND DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TALK TO US." This would be in keeping with their usual diplomatic way of handling things!

avasmommy said...

They played the rerun of the episode where the Gosselins go around caroling and handing out Christmas cookies to their closest friends. I'm betting we won't see an episode like that this year. Instead they will probably be jetsetting to somewhere warm, seeing as how Kate hates the cold. GAG!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

My heart always breaks when I watch the photo shoot re-run, and I hear Mady say, "I don't know what that is because I wasn't there," when the old family photo is unveiled.

The hurt in her voice was obvious. It was so tactless of all involved to create a moment of such fanfare that explicitly omitted Mady and Cara.

10/20/2008 6:59 PM


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Yes! You've got it. Another perfect example how Kate "loves the children equally" that picture moment was horrific.

It was so blatantly clear to Mady where she is in the family, non-existent.

I might add in here Kate's reaction to the picture was all about her, she didn't even acknowledge that Mady found it offensive. Mady was stung twice, the first being the choice of a "family" picture in front of their first home that excluded her and Cara, and the second time when Kate was so self-absorbed with "her" picture she didn't even ackowledge Mady's heartache.

I guess that's what you get from a narcissist.

Anonymous said...

"avasmommy said...

They played the rerun of the episode where the Gosselins go around caroling and handing out Christmas cookies to their closest friends. I'm betting we won't see an episode like that this year. Instead they will probably be jetsetting to somewhere warm, seeing as how Kate hates the cold. GAG!
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I agree but I don't think it has to do as much with Kate not liking the cold as it does Kate having booted all of those people out of the picture.

As for the "closest friends", to someone like Kate, "friend"=someone who is useful to her. I would imagine that Kate drove off all of Jon's friends the second she got her hooks into him, as we never see or hear about Jon having any buddies.

Anonymous said...

I don't watch the show anymore as I feel it's a disgrace, but I was flipping through channels and was SHOCKED to see the girls and Kate apparently doing an art project. It was an episode where they appear to be at a pottery class? What irritated me in the few moments that I watched was Kate saying to one of the girls "That looks like real art". What the heck is that supposed to mean??? As a mother and a child care provider I found that so wrong. So the pictures and paintings the children do everyday are what? Junk? In my honest opinion, she needs to go to some parenting classes...PRONTO!!!!!!!!!!!!She opens her mouth and hurtful things just pour forth.

Anonymous said...

At www.grainpower.org, under 'contact us' and 'news' article from Sept. 10, there are names, numbers, and email addresses for people associated with the brown bag campaign. I contacted one this morning and gave my feedback that I don't need or want Kate Gosselin giving me advice on anything. In my eyes, she taints the products she endorses - not a good marketing strategy.

westmemphisgirl said...

Unless Grainpower is all organic, I believe they've shot themselves in the foot. It would be hypocritical on Jon and Kates part to eat it.

uneasy said...

My overwhelming concern watching Jon and Kate plus 8 is the fact that the show made it to air in the first place. And that so many copycat shows are now competing for spots in primetime.

It is obvious to me the show is exploitative by nature - it uses the cuteness of the children for product placement. The story of the Christian family refusing to reduce in order to fulfill God's will and struggling to make ends meet isn't enough to hold the public interest. It may serve to justify the support that a certain demographic feel they owe the players... but even that is being contradicted by the show itself. It is obvious that the family isn't struggling, not any more, and any religious aspect has being lost in the petty bickering and defensiveness and commercialization of the children.

In my mind, the worst thing is that our society is accepting of the premise. Put a family with very young children on television to serve as a cheap advertising gimmick - give the parents monetary gain and a celebrity life, give the viewers at large cuteness and the petty drama of the relationship between Jon and Kate, and shower the kids with toys and cute clothes and outings that our society equates with happiness, and there you go - a win/win situation for all. Sponsors get cheap advertising, TLC gets higher ratings, Jon and Kate no longer have to work for a living, and viewers are entertained.

But we know this is not a life for young children. They're the ones being cheated. Read the letter from the Dionne sisters. What children need is basic necessities, a safe place to call home, love and nurture and security and relationships based on trust and caring.

Aren't we concerned in this society about pedophiles and sexual predators targeting children... isn't putting these children on display in the most intimate settings a way to exarcebate this particular problem - and make the children icons for a segment of the population that feeds unhealthily on the helplessness and innocence of the very young?

So we know that corporations only care about the bottom line and profits. We don't really expect anything else from them. And we have dissected Jon and Kate's motivation for this freak show ad nauseum and there's nothing more I can really add to that discussion. But I think as a society we have a responsibility to get past our need for entertainment in order to protect and nurture our children. All our children.

We are players too - not innocent bystanders just watching television. We can choose not to watch. We can choose to speak up. We can choose to lobby for the protection of children. And if we don't, then aren't we by default enablers?

Sue said...

I follow this blog, but have never posted here before.

My question may have come up before, but if not: Does anyone else find it odd that Kate says she had polycystic ovary syndrome and that's why she needed fertility treatment, but never seemed to have any symptoms of it?

The most common symptoms are (besides infertility): irregular, few, or absent menstrual periods,
excessive and increased body hair, (on the face, chest and legs), hair loss appearing as thinning hair on the top of the head, acne, oily skin, obesity.

Does anyone have any theories on this?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone else noticed that the twins (mostly Mady) have been generally missing from the last few episodes?

Anonymous said...

My question may have come up before, but if not: Does anyone else find it odd that Kate says she had polycystic ovary syndrome and that's why she needed fertility treatment, but never seemed to have any symptoms of it?

The most common symptoms are (besides infertility): irregular, few, or absent menstrual periods,
excessive and increased body hair, (on the face, chest and legs), hair loss appearing as thinning hair on the top of the head, acne, oily skin, obesity.

Does anyone have any theories on this?
I don't believe she has it personally. I've got it and have children, women with PCOS do ovulate though infrequent and that's why they usually have you try at least a year. Studies have shown the majority of women do get pregnant within 3 year without intervention but also there are less invasive interventions like metformin that allows women with PCOS to get pregnant. I think she was just impatient and demanded treatment pronto and also that she wanted twins at minimum because that would make her "special." She may claim her mental disorder is OCD but I think she has something much more difficult to treat then a disorder on the anxiety-depression spectrum.

Anonymous said...

Sue said...
I follow this blog, but have never posted here before.
My question may have come up before, but if not: Does anyone else find it odd that Kate says she had polycystic ovary syndrome and that's why she needed fertility treatment, but never seemed to have any symptoms of it?
The most common symptoms are (besides infertility): irregular, few, or absent menstrual periods,
excessive and increased body hair, (on the face, chest and legs), hair loss appearing as thinning hair on the top of the head, acne, oily skin, obesity.
Does anyone have any theories on this?
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There has been some discussion of this here on GWoP some months ago. You are right - she does not exhibit the obvious symptoms of PCOS. I said during this discussion that I thought it very questionable whether she actually has it. Kate got married in June 1999. By February 2000 (after fertility treatments)she was pregnant with the twins. How very strange that the fertility doctor allowed her to go through with the treatments after they had only been married way less than a year. She was only 24 years old! I think she did some personal "biomedical engineering" to get pregnant (she was a labor and delivery nurse at the time and could have gotten her hands on some fertility drugs). As to the sextuplets, she had hyperstimulated ovaries (seven ripe eggs) and knew it full well. It is believed that she and Jon had sex and voila - six kids! How irresponsible can you get?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone else noticed that the twins (mostly Mady) have been generally missing from the last few episodes?

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Many have commented that it's because KON (especially Kate) is afraid of what Mady will say (the truth!) so they keep her out of filming. So sad that THAT is the reason, and not because Mady hates the cameras......

Anonymous said...

In response : Anonymous said...
Has anyone else noticed that the twins (mostly Mady) have been generally missing from the last few episodes?

The twins are getting to be of the age where they are more outspoken and are of the ability to verbalize their opinions. Less camera time for the twins, less the risk of the 'truth' being told.

Anonymous said...

I was just over at the Wikipedia article. The "Controversy" section is back in! It's the section that talks about the first Paul Petersen statement (August 27). To view, go to wikipedia and type in Jon & Kate Plus 8. Really, that controversy section should be fully updated to reflect the CNN piece and the other Paul Petersen statements that have come out since August 27.

Barb said...

I finally found a copy of Cupcakegate on Youtube. But I can't find a copy of Gumgate. How do I find that one?

Kate said...

Hi! I must admit I am a fan of the show and recently started reading this blog. It is really eye opening! I have a question, (and I'm sorry if it's been asked before) I have read all that went down with Jodi and Kevin...And I see it's mentioned Beth isn't seen on the show anymore. Does anyone know what all went on there? I read what some assume happened but does anyone know for sure? I am very surprised not to see her anymore. They seemed to be such close friends.

Anonymous said...

I, too, have been trying to find the cupcakegate video about the tups' 4th birthday! It does not seem to be available antwhere. They must have removed it wherever it was located!
Does anyone have a link to share?