Dropping of the Mask

As an Irish resident I am a couple of J&K seasons behind the rest of you on the GWoP site.

I had watched seasons one and two and when I initially came across GWoP I thought wow, what is their collective problem with Kate?

So, I clicked out of the site and made a mental note never to return. Instead, I found Gosselin positive websites and immersed myself in them.

I know now I was a sheeple.

(continued)

Many thanks to h'smammy.

152 comments:

h'smammy said...

I know because my brother got me the boxed set of seasons three and four as a gift for my birthday last year.

Season three became progressively more uncomfortable to watch. Who was this grasping, greedy, entitled woman ? Kate ? No, no the Kate I admired and looked up to clipped coupons and was into memory making for kids. I had just has my first baby and this was the Kate I wanted to emulate. Not season three Kate. I watched with growing discomfort as Kate snapped at Jon and ridiculed the children (Mady and her teeth - "oh my God Jon look at those teeth") and seemed more interested in the by play with the camera operator than spending time with her children. Her behaviour on the plane ride to Utah. Her behaviour in Utah. Her treatment of Jodi. The obnoxiousness of visiting Nana Janet on Christmas and then complaining about having to listen to her say her piece to the kids.

And so I sloped back to GWoP and started reading the posts and comments properly, all the while still thinking hmm, maybe that's going a little too far. I mean someone can't do a 180 like that in terms of personality, can they.

If season three was uncomfortable to watch, season four was painful. It hurt to watch this obviously massively unhappy woman wreak havoc on the lives of those around her (an increasingly small group). I couldn't bring myself to watch Season Five on youtube - reading instead the recaps on GWoP.

And so that is my journey from sheeple I became a regular reader of GWoP and believer in it's cause.

After reading the latest thread it seems now like the show might come to an end.

I'm glad - for all of them.

I took out my season one and two boxed sets last night (another gift - I used to try and turn everyone in my family and all my new parent friends onto this show) and put them on - why I don't know.

I watched a couple of episodes from each and put them back in their box and into a container for storage in our attic.

I was remarking to my husband how Kate had changed totally from season one until now, in particular Kate that had a brother who came to help out in her garage, a brother who Jon said she loved and made her a better person. And my husband just said, "It's not that she has changed, her mask just dropped. No one can hide that kind of crazy for so long. It had to come out".

I think he is right.

I hope you will forgive the ramblings - I just wanted to share.

Charles said...

Beautifully written. I think we all morphed just as you did. The Kate we all admired truly turned into the Wicked Witch of The West.

How I wish with all my heart that the "talking heads" that keep giving publicity to her and to TLC would be REQUIRED to watch season three and four.

Few of them know anything that they are talking about. They just feed off each other and it is all just uninformed garbage.

Peggy mason said...

Wow. Your husband is so right about the mask! If only more people would take the time to see K-9 for what she really is. Unfortunately it seems like she is seen in a more and more flattering light while Jon gets the 'k-fed' treatment by the media. You would think these are not his children too and that he was not EQUALLY a part of the show that filled k-9's precious moneybags!!! I guess the mask is back on, at least for the world to see. Say what you will about Jon but at least he refuses to wear the mask-- he is what he is and what that is first and foremost is a father to 8 kids who need him more than ever!!!

I read your post to my brother (a lawyer) just now and he said that you may have a point here-- were he jons lawyer he would play some of those clips in court, showing them just what kind of treatment THellC is endorsing and attempting to prolong! It's absolutely disgusting. It baffles me that people can't see, what WE see! It's right in front of your faces people.

Renee said...

I watched this show before it was even a show. This is a really unpopular opinion but I always felt that Kate was more interested in posturing for the camera than she was interested in her family. I don't mean to say that anyone who was a fan was fooled pr that anyone who it took some time to realize what a fraud she was is foolish or stupid but I've been calling this divorce since the very beginning. I was never fooled for once by the coupon clipping, scenes of Jon and Kate folding laundry together, etc. They really never seemed happy to me.

The thing that really burned my toast from the get-go was the assertion that Kate was some super-organized person. She was NEVER organized. She was NEVER efficient. Am I the only one who saw this?

Sometimes I feel like I'm crazy because I haven't ever met anyone that has been following this family since the beginning who has seen what I saw in them.

Lauren K said...

Awesome post. A couple of days ago I watched a couple of J&K reruns and the difference in Kate back then and the Kate now is astounding.
It made me sad for the family.

Thanks for sharing H'smammy!

Harriet said...

No, Renee, you are not alone. Some of us went that is not organization from day one. All those post it notes were a control freak run amuck not organization. From the time she fed the infant tups instant oatmeal I knew she was messed up on what was more nutritious and less costly. Whether she ever loved Jon or just the idea of being married with children I don't know. By the time the tups came along though all she wanted was a slave.

anotherthing... said...

great post!! and i think your hubby is right, too.

cdnmom47 said...

I, too, once admired Kate. It was a short stint of admiration, though. It didn't seem long 'til her true self started showing through the mask....the cruelty, the meanness, the nastiness and just plain rudeness.

What totally blew my mind and really continues to do so is that I was watching the same show as the sheeple and I was seeing this horrible woman who had terrible mothering skills...what in the world were they seeing in her to want to emulate and praise???

Kate truly scares me. I've seen that personality before and I know what it can do to the mind of a child...I so fear for those kids. If Jon had a lawyer worth his salt, he'd gather together all of those 'horrendous Kate moments' that are blessedly on tape and use them to gain full custody of his children. They do need a mother, yes, but they need LOVE and security more. They need someone to make them feel secure and safe. I don't know 100% if that's Jon, but I know for a fact it's NOT Kate. She needs intense therapy...immediately.

MBach said...

Thank you h'smammy for sharing your journey. It sounds like something many posters on this site can relate to. I know I can. I watched the show because the kids were so cute all toddling around, and Kate and Jon BOTH appeared to love their kids and each other. The "love" pats and "funny" disagreements were just a minor part of the show at first, and then things began to change.

Kate/hate now goes on all these shows and interviews with her mask on. Her voice is soft and her eyes are sad. It makes me want to pull her out of the tv and shake her. I WILL NOT WATCH! But I have seen clips of the last couple of seasons on other shows like The Soup etc., and I read the recaps here. The show is nothing but her as center-of-attention, complaining, yelling, and NOT loving her children. The kids have become a side story.

So if most of the posters here, myself included, couldn't see the problems with the Gosselin way of life at first - then why do people doubt that Jon has changed his mind about having his children on a reality tv show? Why couldn't he have been blinded by Kate/hate, freebes, not having to work outside the home, trips and vacations, all along with the new house. Come on now. He is human too. Maybe Jon needed to be away from the blinding light to finally see the problem.

I keep wanting it to be true, because the filming will start again as soon as Jon steps aside.

Been touched by a narcissist said...

Kate is a narcissist and it is impossible for a normal human being with normal human conscience and empathy to wrap their brain around the empty, soullessness that is a narcissist.

It defies everything most of us know and hold dear.

Kate is the ONLY one that means ANYTHING to Kate. She will throw whomever she has to under the bus as many times as it takes to get what she craves; and this includes her kids.

In her world, Jon, Kevin, Jodi, Beth and all the others she has used up and thrown away, had outlived their usefulness in her world.

It won't change.

KyPastor said...

Renee, I stand with your post.

I have to agree that much of what we saw of the old Kate and Jon looked like going through the motions. (I don't want to focus on just one of the parents, so I will speak of them as a parenting couple.) I saw so little joy in their hearts over their family. I am not a parent, but have seen enough new families tackle the everyday experiences of parenthood with so much more joy than the Gosselins have displayed. What is work when it is done for the people you love? It is not a burden; it is service done out of love. Service is what makes a person great! I didn't see that, ever, with the Gosselins and it pained my heart. I know they were tired. I just wanted to see some real, deep down smiles behind the bone tired eyes. I never did. I saw Kate had enough energy to talk about her children, but not enough
of what it took to enjoy them. I saw Jon playing with the children and childtending, but I also saw a tad of resentment toward them.

No, Renee, you are not alone in your sad commentary. I've seen it too. I could say more, but I'm afraid it would serve no purpose.

Beach Lover said...

Thank you for your thoughtful post. It must've been difficult for K8 to keep the mask on for the cameras even as long as she did. I think the mask is still there and I fear that the kids are the only ones now who see her without the mask, raging and taking her frustrations out on them. She is boorish, obnoxious and very mean-spirited with all around her. Too bad her influence on the children has been so extreme for so long and they will probably continue to bear the scars of her unhappy personality for all their years to come.

Ravello said...

Thank you Irish friend for a beautiful post. I was initially fascinated by this family, then conflicted, then I saw more and more hateful behavior from Kate and realized the sham. My turning point was Joelgate, 3 year old Joel is feverish, vomiting and Kate left him alone on the laundry room floor. My outrage grew with the unfolding of the gate episode,s beargate, Gumgate, cupcake gate, etc. Kate's treatment of Jon and the boys sickened me. Thank goodness for GWOP, we need to join together in protest of this show.

Nan said...

Like many others I watched the show at first because the children were so cute. Kate tended to be hyper at times but I figured I would be too with all those children.

As the show progressed I found I was feeling uncomfortable watching. I was feeling embarrassed for Jon when she put him down or made a scene like in the toy store. I was feeling mortified when she made rude, sarcastic comments towards people she came in contact with like the employee at the Strasburg Railroad. I was feeling horrified at the things she did like putting a sick child on the floor and leaving him.

I thought this is ridiculous. I am watching a show that should be a joy to watch and make you feel good and I ended up feeling bad after it was over. It got to the point where just hearing Kate's voice would make me cringe.

The one and only reason I stopped watching the show was because of Kate. I sure as heck wouldn't watch it in the future if it was just Kate+8.

Ohio Buckeye said...

h'smammy said.................What an interesting post. And for whatever it's worth, I agree with your husband: K8 couldn't hide that kind of crazy for long.

And ya' know... it's never a good thing when others say to or about you that someone else (K8's brother) made her a better person. You have to wonder why that person (K8) needs someone else to make her seem or act 'better'.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Renee saide..... it's not just you who questioned all the hype about K8's organizational skills. To me, it was more CONTROL ISSUES at work with a heavy dose of OCD sprinkled in. K8 seemed to be completely unable to differentiate between things in life than can (and should) be left alone vs. thing that actually require organizational intervention.

The really obnoxious thing was that she made EVERYONE else have to suffer just so SHE could achieve her required level of control. No one's feelings but her own ever seemed to matter. Ugh.

Ohio Buckeye said...

BeenTouchedByaNarcissist,, I, too, have been (insert your GWoP name here) and I am here to say you have absolutely stated the truth about narcissists. Like K8, they can succcessfully mask their tendencies for awhile, but once they feel secure in having their prey where they want it, they let their guard down and you begin to see the REAL personality that reigns beneath the facade.

Woe to anyone who gets tangled up in a narcissist's web. Narcissists take little if any responsibility for their actions, so never have genuine remorse for their treatment of others. Everything is ALWAYS someone else's fault. To a narcissist's eyes, everyone else is inferior to him/her.

Too bad there's no litmus paper test to give these types before you get involved with them. They can successfully fool alot of people for a longer while than you might imagine.

WillowMc said...

Even the initial television shows were deceiving. I, for instance, did not know about all the freebies Kate campaigned for after she had the sextuplets -- from the state, her family, her church. I did not know how shabbily she treated her church associates, how she turned down cribs because they didn't match, how a donated van was the "wrong" color, how she charged $20 for a photo of the family, how she was PAID for talks she gave to churches, etc. I didn't even realize the Gosselins were paid by TLC. When you factor in Kate's behavior from the start -- behavior not shown on TV, then the woman Kate is today is not such a surprise. She was a greedy, fame-seeking, prima donna since day-one. We just didn't realize it right away.

Was never a sheeple said...

Thank you h'smammy for a well-written post.

I have to say, though, that I never looked up to Kate. Maybe because I already had 6 when I first saw the show, the sheer number of children didn't overwhelm me the way it does most people.

As I said to my mom, I found the show funny because it was "my life on Crack".

I was impressed by Kate's organization, her determination to make these outings, even with all those 2-yr-olds, and wondered why no-one offered to help her when she was out. Of course, now I see that she wasn't doing it all herself -- she had an army behind the cameras, she did the outings because they were free and scripted, and no-one was stepping up to help because either the store was closed to the peasants, or she had pissed them all off (think the 4th of July no-strollers debacle).

But I NEVER looked up to Kate. I always thought she was selfish and unkind. My husband & I have a beautiful marriage, and everyone can see. Kate's treatment of Jon made me cringe from the start, even in those stupid pre-babies "home videos". I never believed that they were Christians, and knew from the first show I saw (the special with the saggy-tummy reveal) that they were headed to a divorce.

Emily the Great and Terrible said...

"The thing that really burned my toast from the get-go was the assertion that Kate was some super-organized person. She was NEVER organized. She was NEVER efficient. Am I the only one who saw this?"

No, you aren't the only one. Except for the (already clean) refrigerator a few months, ago, I've never seen Kate actually clean anything. Making lists for other people is not 'cleaning'. She won't clean, cook, or even pick up the used paper plates from the table on most episodes.

Does TLC think that if they keep saying she is a neat freak and a health food nut that we will overlook Kate's actual behavior? I don't know, but as an organized mom who feeds my kids a healthy, organic diet, I haven't learned jack from J&K+8 except what NOT to do.

Peg said...

I remember watching when they went to the pumpkin farm, the way J&K interacted with each other and those kids. I understand they were stressed, but that really didn't excuse how they acted. The Toys R Us episode confirmed my thoughts. I really tried to give them the benefit of the doubt because they did have 8 kids, and it looked like they were keeping it "real" as opposed to the Duggers, whom looked too nice and good to be true. The more I seen, the more Kate's actions didn't sit right with me. She was not stressed, she was a control freak that was making a fool of herself on television and was quite proud of it. I then lost interest in the show. As I can see, I didn't miss much. Then I started hearing more about K8's antics from fans, and will admit I was curious about the new house. I was then appalled by what I seen. That is when I found this site. It's really sad that these children are in the middle of this mess all because of greed.

Mother of Two(couldn't afford more, so unlike Jon&Kate we stopped) said...

I have been absent from this site for the last few months, dealing with real-life issues such as the death of my husband's mother and father after long and painful illness, as well as the racial harassment of my young son at school.One of the last comments I made on this site was about the Memorial Day episode and how Kate should be ashamed of herself, always complaining she "has to do it all by herself" (while military families are really doing it all by themselves while their spouses are in harms way in battlezones overseas,or being brought home in caskets). Jon and Kate have no right to complain about anything, yet that is all they seem to do. They will not be thankful on Thanksgiving, not be Christians on Christmas, not be protesting in peaceful non-violence and following the teachings of Christ as Martin Luther King did, on Martin Luther Kings Day, not be loving on Valentines Day, and so on. The only holiday they have a right to celebrate in the 4th of July, as it's all about fireworks. And of course, Kate herself says she doesn't celebrate Halloween. That's because she celebrates it everyday on her broom-stick. And of course, she forces her children to celebrate it every day of the year, by forcing them to dress up as characters.

NoUse4Kate said...

That was a nice post to read and I do believe your husband is spot on! :)

rural mom said...

I was never a fan of Kate or the show but I can understand how some might have been taken in. TLC went to great lengths to portray Kate as something she isn't - kind, warm, funny, compassionate and concerned for the welfare of her family. Kate's true personality kept showing up and it was repulsive. Her children are objects she resents bitterly if forced to take care of - she didn't want to nurse them, feed them change them, play with them.. and it really bugged her that TLC would only bring people in to fold laundry, she fought hard for the Ashleys that would actually stay in the room and entertain the kids. Kate's worst fear in life is that she might be trapped into doing actual work. Being on the show is fun, she grins stupidly.. god, I wish her tv career would crash and burn soon.

konspiracytheory said...

Like a few others have stated, I gasped when Khate asked Dr. Glassman for a free boob job during her consult for the free tummy tuck - that was when the light went on for me (but even then it wasn't apparent yet to me how truly horrendous she really was).

Random_Poster said...

Excellent post! When I first watched the initial 1-hour special that kicked off this now rancid original series, I couldn't put my finger on it, but Kate rubbed me the wrong way. She came off as snarky and ungrateful, as well as resentful of her many blessings.

However, I thought maybe it was just me or maybe I was just being a hater, and since I found the show interesting, I watched it and tried to find her better qualities.

Clearly there are none. I should have gone with my gut instinct and not even wasted time trying to find something redeemable about KG.

Dianew said...

h'smammy said Beautifully said and expresses my thoughts as well.Thank you for sharing.

I can't watch, it all makes me feel so dirty.............

hoops said...

This trainwreck is shown in other countries? I am mortified. Thanks, kHate, for making me embarassed for my country.

h'smammy, it sounds like you are married to a wise man. He's right, kHate has been this way all along and just managed to hide it for awhile. Poor Jon and poor kids!

Mrs. Taylor said...

I believe we are all in the same boat here -- our thoughts and views are very similar. Nothing changes thou with Kate, she's getting a new TV show with Paula Deen (which I Love Paula but will never watch if Kate is with her) and what will happen if TLC is able to do "Kate Plus 8?) I again will not watch!

Someone help me here and tell me why she was so upset while doing "The View" that her kids wanted to go to see the Statue of Liberty and now couldn't? Why couldn't she take her kids to see it? Because she'd have to pay for it and they would have to drive themselves? Kate has always said "her kids deserve it" why do they deserve it? Are there not any other children that deserve free trips but her kids? Or, is a pre-rec that you have to have sextuplets to deserve anything?

Beth, what happened to you? Where did you go? Did Kate dish you after you wrote the book for her because you should be compensated? Kate is the most selfish person and if she's broke she should sell her million dollar home and move back into the old house. She doesn't need a chef, babysitters daily, laundry service, craft services is she's the mother she says she is.

It's all BS!

Suzi said...

h'smammy -

Thanks for sharing your "journey" and I'm glad you found GWoP. :)

I had never seen the show until last winter when I was put on bedrest and started watching the reruns. Somehow seeing several back-to-back and out of order episodes really emphasized Kate's particular kind of crazy.

The other day I watched the "How We Met" episode on YouTube. Knowing what I know now one thing was apparent-Kate was a self-centered, egotistical drama queen way back then, too.

It was all quite awful, but one thing really stuck out to me. When talking about their wedding, the first thing she said is "We paid for it ourselves." I bet there were some family contributions, but in any event, how disrespectful to the families.

TandLMommy28 said...

Nice post, thank you for sharing your thoughts.

I think I knew something wasn't right as soon as she asked for a free boob job and the look of disappointment on her face when she didn't get it.

But I made excuses for her behavior for quite some time. "She's stressed" and "until I have that many kids, who am I to judge?" but then...

She started complaining about the gifts people sent her not being right.

She left her sick kids to go get hair plugs.

She told the kids, "Don't listen to daddy, he's just mean and spiteful."

She said to Jon, "You are right, I don't play with the kids. I don't have time." WHO SAYS THAT?

I am sad to admit that I didn't stop watching until the two week vacation in North Carolina. That was when it became painfully obvious to me that things had changed. Until that point, I still made excuses for her. I am ashamed of that!

Brummygirl said...

Thank you h'smammy for an insightful post.
I found J.and K.+8 by mistake. My granddaughter was with me and I was going through programs for her to watch.
This was not at the beginning of their shows and my daughter commented that she had seen a few of them but mentioned Kate being awful to Jon.
I could not believe that T.L.C. would broadcast seeing someone belittle their spouse. Of course, I really did not know much about T.L.C. as I rarely watched their programming, I have learned more than I wish to know since then.
I could see no love from Kate, only someone giving orders and expecting to be obeyed. Rarely did she pick a child up to cuddle them, when I would have loved to hold those dear little souls in a group hug.
I tuned in again because I thought maybe this was just a bad day for people overwhelmed with multiple children and at that point, they did look tired. This was pre Kate caring about what she wore.
Nope, the abusive behaviour continued.
We have covered all the extremely awful things she has done, but the worst thing for me is seeing Kate not being held accountable for these actions.
I feel that anyone involved in court proceedings should have mandatory viewing of these episodes to make a fair judgement and would like to bet they would see the reason why Jon went "wild" after ten years of incarceration with that inhuman vacuum cleaner. She literally sucked the life out of him.

Reading news said...

Renee said...

......The thing that really burned my toast from the get-go was the assertion that Kate was some super-organized person. She was NEVER organized. She was NEVER efficient. Am I the only one who saw this?

Sometimes I feel like I'm crazy because I haven't ever met anyone that has been following this family since the beginning who has seen what I saw in them.
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Renee, I am with you. I never liked her from day one. I always thought there was something devious about her. I too questioned her claim to being a clean freak and wondered why her idea of organization and mine never seemed to match. She obviously never knew her way around her own kitchen and her contradictions were displayed from the beginning.

Suzi said...

TandLMommy28 - I went back and watched the tummy tuck episode again after (was it you??) mentioned it last week. I remembered thinking it was crazy and just wanted to see the look on her face again. WOW! She is shooting daggers at Dr. Glassmann and is so surly that he finally says "You should be happy about it" or something like that. So then she says in a really high and loud (fake) voice, "Oh, I AM really happy!!" Then I love at the end when they do the interviews. Mrs. Glassman says how fun it was having Kate as a houseguest for three weeks and she hopes they stay in touch and remain friends. Kate says she can't wait to go home. Nice!

I know this is going to sound nuts and will probably bring me all kinds of flack from other posters, but it also reminded me how nice Dr. and Mrs. Glassman seem. It makes me wonder if Hailey really is a sweet girl, albeit unfocused and immature.

goawayfools said...

Nice post and says so well what many of us discovered on our own in different ways. I started watching JK8 in Season 2 and was fascinated that these two seemingly normal people were raising all these young kids and making it work. Kate did come across as bossy and severe and Jon seemed sweet and accomodating. I forgave Kate her bitchiness thinking what a basketcase I would be in her situation. I felt sorry for Jon and wanted to hug him. Little by little, it got uglier and I remember commenting to my daughter that Kate sure liked to talk about herself and never let Jon speak. Again, I forgave her, as I pitied her situation. Eventually it became clear that they were working the system. I nearly threw up watching the Hawaii episode seeing how utterly joyous Kate was at the free lavish meals, beautiful accomodations and special treatment, all the while acting ungrateful. Her complete personality change at getting the freebies was nauseating. Her dismissive attitude towards the kitchen staff was worse, saying how they were smart to give the kids little chef outfits so that they wouldn't mess their clothes. I remember thinking how she didn't even get how special they were being treated, how the kids clothing should have been the last thing she thought about. I began to tune out.

Then I discovered GWOP. God I love this blog. Imagine my shock when I discovered Jon and Kate never were doing it on their own, that they had plenty of help plus family money but still begged for more, and most shockingly, that Kate had those tups on f--king purpose!! I could have died when I learned that. Who does that? How could she think that was a smart plan to get rich? And how could she torture eight kids in her quest for fame and fortune?

I no longer forgive her. I do forgive him. I think Jon was a young man in love who had the worlds most forceful wife to deal with. He tried to stop after having the twins but she literally forced more kids on him. The rest is history.

I think many of us found the kids cute at first and sympathized with the parents. How could we know this was all planned by that stupid ass Kate? Why would we think anyone would purposely have so many kids that they had no prayer of supporting? They always talked of being so poor, why would we doubt that? I'm struggling with only two kids, she had eight. So don't feel badly, people. We believed Kate Frickin Gosselin because the truth was unthinkable. I think that may be why we're so pissed off at her. She took advantage of everyone's kindness and good will. She was full of shit from the very beginning.

goawayfools said...

Suzi, I think Hailey IS a nice girl. She is young and was unfortunate enough to have her college hijinks exposed to the world when she went public with Jon. She has proven herself not to be a media whore, and appears to truly care for Jon. I am happy that he has her love and support as well as her parents'. He needs it. I hope he treats her well.

dustilies said...

TandLMommy28 wrote:

I am sad to admit that I didn't stop watching until the two week vacation in North Carolina.

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That episode was the last one I watched, too. I really hadn't realized the extent of the freebies till then. But, during the big seafood dinner, Kate tells the not-a-nanny, "have as much salmon as you want. Jon and I aren't salmon people." I had a WTF? moment. Why order it then? It slowly dawned on me that some local seafood merchant had been hit up to supply the stuff. Once again, Kate can't manage to be gracious--complaining about how hard it is to pick the crab for 8 kids, and then this back of the hand comment about the salmon. Couldn't she say, "have as much as you want--they sent so much of everything and it's all fabulous."
I realized that a) she can't act well enough to pull off a small social nicety and b) she's not organized--she's just a controller. A parent with the big picture in mind would find a way to prep the crab enough for the 8 kids to pick their own. Instead of making greedy faces and hand gestures to mock their love of shellfish.

As others have said, she can suck the joy out of any eating experience. Make that EVERY eating experience.

livnluv said...

I know this is going to sound nuts and will probably bring me all kinds of flack from other posters, but it also reminded me how nice Dr. and Mrs. Glassman seem. It makes me wonder if Hailey really is a sweet girl, albeit unfocused and immature.

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I've always liked Hailey. They tried to trash her in the beginning as well so she went into hiding to wait until this is over...I don't blame her.

She had a college life. So did many of us. I'm not going to fault her for that. The times I've heard her on TV she's composed and seems quite grounded, and I like her humor. Finally, I think she's also keeping Jon somewhat grounded. She and her family are backing Jon. What does that tell you since they also know Kate personally. JMO

stopthemadness said...

Emily the Great and Terrible says
Does TLC think that if they keep saying she is a neat freak and a health food nut that we will overlook Kate's actual behavior? I don't know
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I have wondered why these elect to show her acting like such a beeyotch when there must be other nicer things they COULD show or her doing something intelligent. Reading a book. Watching a show on tv and laughing. Shopping. But yet they continually show her losing it, and being abusive to her husband or like lately when she needs all the PR halp she can get, going off on the twins' room and property.

I think someone said that they had to film for 20 hrs to get 20 mins of film they could use because the relationship was so bad it was constant fighting and yelling bad language and bad behavior, and it makes me wonder if they show kate being such an ass because there really is no alternative behavior that would make her look good!

People do change and money power and fame changes them or can change them. I do think Kate has changed and has allowed her tendencies that she might have kept under wraps, free rein now - because she CAN.

fidosmommy said...

As others have said, she can suck the joy out of any eating experience. Make that EVERY eating experience.


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Is THAT what she's doing when she makes those disgusting sucking noises when she describes 1) how her children eat and 2) when something tastes really good? She's sucking the joy right out of dinnertime! OK, thanks, now I get it.

My stomach would turn each and every time she did that. Has she stopped doing it yet?

shel said...

I too loved the show until around the kids 4th birthday when ai just felt she was so mean to her boys. I would just think she ws kidding before when she said things about the gross icky boys but after the birthday party when they sppoon fed princess her supper to get a cupcake and the boys were not allowed to have none, and some of them ate their supper but not accoring to kate. and poor little aaden screaming we don't get our cupcake and Joel pleading that he ate his chicken. these poor kids it was their freaking birthday and they make the cupcakes themselves.
it was the next day I decided to google what I saw and You would not believe all the things that were said about them and al the evidence how meean kate was to the boys. I still watch the show and will continue to it is over but won't be as said as I thought I would be if it was over 2 yrs ago

marypoppins said...

Pamela Jaye said...
I could understand both Jon and Kate yelling when they were stressed and trying to get things done and go somewhere, but when she sat on the couch beside him and verbally castrated him... that was an entirely different story.
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true.. carrying on because he said "lunch picnic" instead of "picnic lunch"

shel said...

I wonder does Kate look back and the first 2 seasons and wonder what the heck happened to her happy family because mady was very happy until the dutch wonderland episode when things went south for her and Kate said it had been like tht for a month or so. That was in season 2 wasn't it (maybe early 3)

not K8's bestest friend said...

I think we should start a support group. We could name it FSA - Former Sheeple Anonymous. I guess that's kind of what GWOP is.

My name is not K8's bestest friend and I was a sheeple. I watched because I was curious how she did it with 8 kids. Sure she's stressed, but I am too with only 1 kid. I work at home so the show was often on as background noise while I worked. I only half heard what was going on. My mom watched the show for approximately 5 minutes before she asked how I could stand to watch. I offered excuses for her behavior. My mom said she was a bitch plain and simple. I continued to half listen until something said caught my attention. I don't remember what it was, but it made me start to really pay attention to what was happening on the show. I realized my mom was right. I'm horrified to think that I was ever a person who thought Kate was someone to be admired. It boggles my mind that anyone who has actually paid attention to the show, especially the last couple of seasons, would still defend Kate.

Kittycat said...

I have TWO sisters who are narcisists....they have made life hell for the rest of our family. Watching Khate, season after season, has been like watching my family's life play out. Never, their fault, somebody else did them wrong, it wasn't done to their standards, etc. They spin their stories, stir up trouble...then stand back and say...'what, I didn't do anything'. Jon isn't much better, he should have stood up to her years ago....
I just really feel bad for those little kiddies...I only felt the wrath as a sibling...I cannot imagine having a narcisist as a parent. She will pick a favourite (most likely Hannie !) and all the others will pale in comparison. Sadly, they will try so hard to try and live up to Khate's unrealistic expectations and always fall short. Poor little things, hopefully once they are grown up they will get some counselling and live productive lives. Our family has learned from doctor's and research that you cannot live under the control of a narcisist. It is unhealthy and evil...they cannot be changed, the only survival is to distance yourself from them.

Kat_momof3 said...

Perfectly phrased... you said what all of us have gone through, really.

Do not feel bad... we were all fooled once... but Kate dropped her mask, and we realized we were looking at an unfeeling she-witch.

Welcome to the club!

Thoroughly disgusted said...

h'smammy, thank you for your honest & thoughtful post.

I've never admired Kate, but at first I attributed her snapping & control to the stress of having so many small kids. I just have 2, one's 9 months older & the other's 1 year younger than the tups. I knew raising toddlers was hard, & I figured, 6 + 2 was way harder.

But h'smammy, I suggest you re-watch the garage episode. Yes, her brother is helping Jon put up the shelving in the garage. But in that show, Kate says something quite revealing. Jon says he wishes she'd say "please" rather than ordering him around.

Kate responds to Jon, "Can't 'please' be understood?" He shakes his head no, & she turns to the camera as if to appeal to us, to let her do her ordering & never saying please.

That's the epitome of Kate's personality to me. One of the first social niceties we teach our children, & she thinks she deserves a pass. She's not even slightly ashamed--only puzzled.

h'smammy, I agree with your clever husband that the mask simply dropped. I just think there are more clues in Seasons 1 & 2 of their true character than you might realize. The Garage episode, as you know, is the 4th show of Season 1.

thanks again for sharing.

P.S. There are other bad things in the garage episode, I just can't list them all. A taste: Jon: "Kevin is the male version of Kate, except for the yelling." Then, "I like when Kevin's around, because my wife is nicer to me." Kate: "Nicer! as if I'm mean to you normally" Jon: "Welll..."

crackerslow said...

I watched the first season and the original specials too, and I thought she was controlling but yeah, they had a lot of kids, so whatever.

But for me, I saw the episode when they went back to the hospital where the tups where born and the NICU in specific.

Now, my son was born at 26 weeks, almost died numerous times, and I think my husband and I have horseshoes up our asses that he survived. And that he has minor issues like chronic lung disease.

But during that episode she seemed so ungrateful, and how she seemed so ungrateful that all her kids lived and that they had no health problems. And as a nurse, she should know better. Almost half of the other Mums I met those children where born that early, their babies died. DIED.

Why do her kids deserve all this special attention and no one else how has been through this does? Just because she was greedy enough to have multiples? We all pretty much know she did it on purpose.


I can't even watch the show now, I read the recaps here. And even those make me want to vomit.

Khate makes me sick. She treats her boys like they are rubbish that are overripe for the bin. And she mocks her children.

Thank you for your confession, h'smammy, I think a lot of us where fooled by here at first. But not for long. She really did wear a mask. I just can't understand how ANYONE can continue to defend her. I have checked out BM's blog, and it is disgusting how she worships her.

The Other Renee said...

Really enjoyed your post! And I'd also like to jump into the 12 step program!

My name is The Other Renee and I was also a sheeeeeeple! I was a fan in seasons 1 & 2, watched them with my little boy. He knew all the kids names and it was kinda sweet. By season 3 I was done with it. Things that had not seemed quite 'right' in the first couple seasons had become really uncomfortable to watch. I caught a few episodes of later seasons and it was just scary how awful it had become. One time we flipped by the show and my son yelled out that he wanted to watch "the 8 kid show" and after a few minutes of Kate screaming about something and my son asked me to change the channel because he didn't like the "angry mommy"! I found GWOP soon afterwards and realized I wasn't alone in my hinky discomfort over what was happening to those children.

And to those to commented on Kate's supposed organizational skills, etc. That always bothered me! So much was made about her organizational skills and her cleanliness, etc....but I never saw that happening. She would rant and rave, she'd be controlling and manipulative...but she wasn't actually DOING anything. And the whole cleanliness issue - sometimes I'd bust out laughing when she'd make that claim and then do something so gross & dirty! Dirty feet on the table during interviews, doing hair at the table, picking around on her nose and face while cooking, etc. Making the crew wear booties? Less about being clean and more about being controlling - in my opinion.

I wonder how many people on GWOP could once count themselves and sheeple...or sheeple in training...and then had their eyes opened?

I'm just hoping to see the show come to an end and for those kids to have a life.

Ex-Sheeple said...

I love the support group idea. I can't believe I used to try to defend this woman. I now see her for the super-narcissist that she truly is.

Can't think of a witty name said...

A few years ago I sat back while my (then) 6 year son watched this show. At the time he was an only child and I think it amazed him to see all those kids. I wasn't the Sheeple, my son was.

The first thing I thought was odd was that Jon always bathed the kids. Kate stayed home all day, she couldn't even just wash one of them before Jon got home from work? It certainly didn't look like they had any kind of daily routine going where they couldn't fit a bath in. Plus, why didn't they ever go to the park? I thought, well, maybe it does happen and they just don't show it. Besides, if my son finds the show fascinating, what's there for me to complain about? He even picked Aiden (sp?) as his favorite.

Then the Crayola Factory episode really ticked me. For goodness sakes, woman, if you don't want the kids to have fun, why did you even bother going?? The horrible pumpkin carving with that lunatic trying to clean up in the middle of it, that just made no sense. The gumgate episode boggled my mind. Stick the lovey in the freezer and get the gum off then. Surely an OCD neatfreak would know of such a handy trick? Why the heck is this kid on the floor of the laundry room, alone, puking? Even with these annoying things, I sat with my son and watched the show. Every now and then my son would ask "Why did she (Kate) do that?". My stock answer was "I don't know, honey. Maybe she's having a bad day." In my head I was thinking "Because she's a nut, that's why."

Within a few more episodes her treatment of Jon had me flinching. Did I want my son to think this is how women treat men? Am I endorsing this treatment of men by letting him watch this week after week? I believe in strong, independent women. That being said, there's a huge difference between a strong woman and an ungrateful shrew. I was becoming easily convinced that Kate was the latter.

The other thing that was starting to bother me is that the kids seemed to be crying and screaming more and more with each episode. How was this happy and fun? Yet, my son watched, so I watched. When was this boy going to get tired of this show?!

More questions popped up in my mind. Why didn't these kids ever separate? Why do they have to travel as a pack? None of them ever seemed to have play dates or sleep overs. My son spends one night a week at Grandma's, why don't these kids? Eventually, my son started asking me these questions. I had no answer.

Then I saw the episode where Kate says the grandparents "aren't involved". What? What does that mean? If she had said "the grandparents don't want to be filmed", I wouldn't have thought twice about it. The way she said it made me think there was more to the story.

So began my google search. I stumbled upon what appeared to be old threads from another site, then eventually found my way here. I was stunned. I had never put Kate on a pedestal, but even I was shocked at the freebies and the reason as to why the grandparents aren't "involved". I was also relieved I wasn't the only one that thought some of her behavior was beyond strange.

Long story short (too late!), I told my son I wasn't comfortable with us watching this show anymore. I didn't like the way Kate treated Jon and the kids don't seem happy. Thankfully, my son (now almost 8 at the time of this conversation) said "yeah, it's gotten boring anyway and she can be mean". Ahh...good.

My little former Sheeple hasn't watched the show in over a year. Thank God. He's curious as to why they're on the cover of magazines though. I tell him they're getting a divorce and people are interested. He just says "oh" and moves on.

I think this blog is needed. Every day there are more and more Sheeple who are peeking out from behind Kate's backward mullet and seeing the light. They'll find this blog and rejoice that they aren't alone.

hate4kate said...

I've been watching through the show to put together more compilation videos (my favorite so far is a montage where she states she's "exhausted"). I have seen all the episodes in the past, but this is the first time watching them recently. I agree that seasons 1 and 2 were cute, fun, playful etc... I kept thinking that if they had ended there I would have been disappointed and would want to know where the adorable family goes from there - unfortunately we all know.

The first video that I really notice something is up and get an uneasy feeling about is the one very early in season 3 where they go to gymboree. There are several moments you can tell the crew was having a hard time with them and I'm sure the editors struggled to scrape together an episode. That's the first one where a full outing is just overshadowed by snide comments and animosity :(

I know this has been talked about in the past, but my 3 least favorite episodes are 4th birthday (cupcakes), embarassing and favorite moments (grilling Jon about everything he has done wrong to not help Kate), and the babies and bedrooms (collin's hiney - need I say more).

CityGirl said...

I was just wondering if anyone else heard Lara on the Insider ask jon if it were true that he got his vasectomy reversed? Why would Jon have had a vasectomy if Kate couldn't get pregnant on her on. Jon told Lara that he had not gotton it reversed. Also, I really don't think that jon realizes that "Kate's book" the best seller one, Is his book as well. About him, his kids too. Not just hers, hers, hers. He has said that she isn't broke, where is the 1 million from her book? I hope Jon has someone helping him with these issues. I believe he is truly lost right now. He has been ther since day one taking her crap. and would prob still be there if kate hadn't ask for a divorce. I feel bad for him. I have a feeling he is going to get trampled by kate again. She always gets her way. Somehow every headline is about Jon doing something wrong, bad or being shown in a bad way. No negatives about kate anywhere in headlines? P.S. Does anyone have the archive address from the old begging site? I really need it to convince a couple friends who are in denial.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

I have to admit that I also admired Kate in the first seasons; even though I didn't like the way she treated Jon at times. Now I also think she was just hiding her true self and I really find her to be a little scary.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"I think someone said that they had to film for 20 hrs to get 20 mins of film they could use because the relationship was so bad it was constant fighting and yelling bad language and bad behavior, and it makes me wonder if they show kate being such an ass because there really is no alternative behavior that would make her look good!"

I think that was Jodie who said that (or her sister, Julie). She said they show the bad but not the "ugly" and that's as good as it gets. Scary.

The Other Renee said...

@can't think of a witty name - Reading your post was like a window into my house a few years ago! I totally understand your point of view!

kidsfirst! said...

It's a REALITY show. The producers probably only edited "sweet" Khate into the show at first to show us a struggling family with tups, and then saw what ratings gold "bitch" Khate was. So they let loose with all the material they had.

readerlady said...

@h'smammy Wonderful post from the Green Isle. I had no idea the show was being seen in Ireland. How embarrassing for us. I hope most European viewers realize that most Americans do not behave as badly as Khate.

I love the idea of a 12 step program. So - here goes. Hello, my name is readerlady. I was never a full-blown sheeple, but I certainly had sheeple tendancies. My cable system doesn't carry DiscoverHealth, so I only saw the 2specials on Discover or TLC (don't remember which one). I thought the kids were adorable and I was interested enough wish that I could see the show. When TLC picked it up, I started watching. I don't remember which was the first show I saw - I think it was the tups 3rd birthday party - that ridiculous, over-the-top carnival thing. I thought Khate was a bitch, but the kids were cute, so I continued to watch, until I'd seen all of the older episodes and then the newly produced ones. More and more, I felt the kids were being exploited, I found Khate's behavior toward Jon to be appalling, and I was tuning in less and less. Then I got a new computer, which originally had an AOL homepage. One of the frequent topics on the daily news roundup was J&K. The comments, all supportive of Khate, bashing Jon as lazy and uninvolved with his kids, and the deplorable things being said about Mady, WHO WAS 7 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME, really turned me off. I did a Google search for GWOP, which had been mentioned as a community of haters, and found more people who felt like me. Free at last, and sheeple no more! Hurray!

Pattypanda said...

CityGirl, Here's the link to Jody's sister's early posts. http://www.jk8forum.com/discourse/index.html

Minka's tail said...

I think the show has changed less than we think.

The theme of the show has always been "Poor Family Gets Presents." This is not an unusual premise for a heartwarming show: It is genuinely touching to see a nice person get something he/she couldn't ordinarily afford. The thing is, though, the person must be really poor, and the "gift" must be necessary or modest, something that most people can afford.

At first, the show worked, because most people can afford a trip to the local kiddie attraction like Dutch Wonderland. Most people do eat red meat, or if they don't, it's not because they can't afford it. It was comforting to see this struggling family finally get a night out or get some protein in their diets. Even the more luxurious items, like the expensive dolls or trips to Disney were marketed as once-in-a-lifetime special events. Even the tummy tuck was sort of a necessity, as she was truly deformed by that excess skin.

When the family got some money, TLC should have changed the format. Instead, they just gave them bigger gifts, things most of us cannot afford: stays in luxurious accomodations, luxury box tickets, vanity plastic surgery, $1000 play houses. Once they replaced perfectly good cabinets for no reason, it was over. It should have been canceled the next day. It's amazing that the people running the show don't realize the resentment that was building up over watching them get these things.

So, while the scope of the show has changed, the theme has not. It was always about them getting something or going somewhere. It just hasn't been cute in a long time.

readerlady said...

My apologies to h'smammy. I know Ireland is the Emerald Isle, not the Green Isle. I wasn't completely awake when I posted. I hadn't had my morning tea yet.

mommadiane5 said...

OK. Here goes. My name is mommadiane5 and I was a sheeple. I found the Jon and Kate plus 8 show about 2 years ago. I was babysitting my oldest grandson and trying to find a show that he would like to watch.

At first, the kids were so cute and even Kate was a little sweeter. She actually seemed to like Jon and realize that she needed him.

I confess that I would also think that if I had 8 kids I would be crabby, too. I did think she was over the top, tho. Who cleans their floor 3 times a day. When my 3 sons were growing up, there were times I never got the floor clean in a week. And, I was a clean freak to begin with. Before I had kids. After I had my sons, I realized that if I tried to keep things all neat and tidy every minute...they lost out. And, so did I. So, cleaning became less important than playing.

My friend had a little picture in her daughters room that said something about kids not caring about a spotless house...they just want your attention. I cannot remember the exact verse. But, it's too bad no one gave Kate a copy of it. Maybe, she could have had fun playing with her kids.

You watch and you notice more and more things that seem odd or not right. I haven't watched in a year and I am not going to.

Unless they televise their divorce and let Judge Judy mediate. Then, I would have to watch.

stopthemadness said...

Ohio Buckeye said
To me, it was more CONTROL ISSUES at work with a heavy dose of OCD sprinkled in. K8 seemed to be completely unable to differentiate between things in life than can (and should) be left alone vs. thing that actually require organizational intervention
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That is how it seemed to me too. That she had to write these notes all over about how to do things was not organization it was a way of keeping her fraek-out under control because it was all "TOO MUCH". seeing that kitchen with the notes gave me a sick feeling, like when on a cop show they go into the crazy stalker's room and find pictures and notes all over the walls or something. It is not NORMAL. Having a chart for feedings and such yes but not this.

I don't know if OCD people and control freaks can change. There muts be miedication. how sad it is that TLC feels this is the only intersting or different thing about Kate, what a control freak beeyotch she is. That they PAY for this. And that she can see how she is, knows she's awful, and doesn't change that for the sake of her kids because that makes the show more of a "hit" is just one of the saddest insights into her "parenting" or being a mother, that I can think of. It's not a problem for her, how this affects those precious children.

Some people get money and power, and use it become more generous and some get money and then when they think they have power they use it to let the worst in themselves come out becaues now they feel they can do what they want. She is the second kind of person.

rainyday said...

I love this site and am so glad to see that there are others that aren't buying into the "reality" of JK+8...but I am really wondering if there are any industry insiders who know if any of this criticism is actually reaching the fat cats at TLC and if so, what are they saying about it. We've all heard what they are publicly saying and we've all made guesses as to what they must think by way of their actions...but I would really like to know if any of these very valid arguments about the children, K's behaviour and the growing view of discontent is actually reaching someone up there...Any insiders, please stand up.

IMO ranting and raving is great to get things off your chest but if it is not having a serious affect then it may be in vain...

Nevertheless, I really enjoy this site!!!

AngelOfDecay said...

I am one of those who never liked Kate. What I actually got from this blog and the dead thread on TWoP was the realization that I was an asshat without empathy.

I watched the show every now and then because it was on. I thought Kate was annoying. But it was fun to watch it every now and then. Even if my life occasionally is depressing at least I don't have a horrible screeching litter of disgusting children.

Then I came to realize, this is not fiction. These kids are not a disgusting litter, they are real kids that deserves better. Now I have started to think a lot more about the morality of reality shows.

Janine said...

This is my experience as well... as recently as last year, I was an viewer who enjoyed the show... but slowly K8 and her treatment of Jon (hitting and then sternly warning "don't be a victim, that is SO UNATTRACTIVE" )and correcting and over-correcting... she would find fault in everything, even if she had done the very same thing moments earlier. We all know the dynamic between K8 and Jon... I think it ended for me seeing how she could send her sick kids off to Jodi (who had her own kids) without any concern for the kids in either family and the 'coup de gras' was Jodi generously taking care of the kids, loving and devoted getting 'ripped a new one' for innocently giving a 3 year old gum. In many families, 3 year olds who tie their shoes and eat in normal chairs, using regular cups are allowed a treat of chewing gum... many of us have fun stories of having a hair cut because of gum. It's part of life and growing up. I COULDn't believe K8 had that much 'whatever' it is to be so hurtful, so entitled, so arrogant, so holier than thou, so mean, so ungrateful... It hurt me. I was hurt for Jodi. Then the comments that followed later about Kevin and Jodi... I always thought it was very strange that K8 was isolating her family from all of her parents and siblings... I hope and pray Jon can see past whatever K8 said to convince him those kids did not need her parents and aunts, uncles and cousins in their lives. I think the very best thing that could happen would be Jon take his children back to E Town, have K8's family over, often... live a quiet life and let K8 have her big career. Someone wrote something awful is going to happen, "I can feel it" I have had the very same feeling. I hope wht is happening now is as bad as it gets... I pray it begins to get better...

goawayJandK said...

"No one can hide that kind of crazy for so long. It had to come out".

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GREAT and very astute comment.

h'smammy said...

readerlady said...
@h'smammy Wonderful post from the Green Isle. I had no idea the show was being seen in Ireland. How embarrassing for us. I hope most European viewers realize that most Americans do not behave as badly as Khate.

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Aside from Kate and her behaviour, the show portrays the American "can do" and "glad to help you" spirit amazingly. I'm thinking of the real people, not just service providers, who put themselves out to help the Gosselins.

Also, when Kate had her cooker delivered to the "old" house the guy fitting it told her to have a nice day when he was leaving. It was such a sweet thing to say and he didn't have to do it.

No body says things like that over here - maybe take care or some such but I think have a nice day is such a nice way to leave an interaction.

So don't worry. We don't think America is a nation of Kates !

MickeyMcKean said...

I assume that TLC assumes that there is just a small number of people who post on GWoP and that only a few more scan quickly - not fully read - the posts.

In fact I doubt that TLC believes that the general public can figure out for themselves when Kate flat out lies during her interviews, or if they do see her lie, whether or not they really care if she lies because she gave birth to 8 kids.

Not that we have not caught Jon in some lies too, just that in comparing these two imperfect parents, IMHO Jon wins hands down because when the day is done I'm convinced that he genuinely loves his children.

h'smammy, welcome. We all were once fans who at some point started to question one or more things and wound up here. It is a good place and the people here have a specific goal.

We thought we were close to meeting that goal just last week but it appears that we were a tad premature. Now it is obvious that it will take some more time after all. Nevertheless, we will not give up!

TLC and Kate: Are you reading this blog and paying attention? The GWoP community is NOT giving up!!!

SAVE THE 8!!!

Ayr said...

I found this show 2 years ago, my husband's ex is a sheeple and went on about how great the show is. Because of that I avoided watching at first until one day I was so bored I did watch. I thought it was kind of cute and Kate reminded me so much of myself and Jon of my husband. It became a joke but then as I watched more and more I felt worried ad asked him if he thought I really was like her. He insists I'm not, but I still worry I'm more like her than I should be, however at least realising that I can do my best to not be her.

Ohio Buckeye said...

As so many here have pointed out, WHEN did EVER see K8 actually interacting on a personal level with any of her kids? Never. Not even when they were sick and in need of receiving comfort.

Her concept of being a good mom was to sit in that white plastic chair of hers and bark out orders.

I remember one episode where she rubbed her bare feet against the kids, stating something like 'I often do this...' implying she simply did not have enough arms to hug 6 little ones. But as time wore on, we observed SO MANY missed opportunities to hug, hold, cuddle her kids, so her implication that she WANTED to hug them but there were simply too many kids/two few mommy arms just did not make any sense.

Does it seem to anyone else that K8 has major difficulty with any level of emotional intimacy?
I'm thinking her elevator simply does not travel to that floor.

Her physical displays of 'love' to even her husband ALWAYS seemed stilted and uncomfortable. When she wasn't smacking him and telling us these were 'love pats that sounded louder than they were' (?!), she would pet his face like most of us would pet an animal - weird for a married couple.

Even the supposed Romantic Extravaganza of the Hawaiin vow renewal was awkward - think about it - they showed ZERO physical closeness and their 'dance' was stiff and uncomfortable, as if they were strangers or that emotional/physical intimacy was not really much of their marital equation.

And THIS is what TLC tries to hold up to us as a normal, happy family with 'a beautiful life'?????

It's insulting that they set the bar so low.

Suzi said...

rainyday said....

I love this site and am so glad to see that there are others that aren't buying into the "reality" of JK+8...but I am really wondering if there are any industry insiders who know if any of this criticism is actually reaching the fat cats at TLC and if so, what are they saying about it. We've all heard what they are publicly saying and we've all made guesses as to what they must think by way of their actions...but I would really like to know if any of these very valid arguments about the children, K's behaviour and the growing view of discontent is actually reaching someone up there...Any insiders, please stand up.

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On the back to to school episode Kate says something like she has eight of the most well-deeloped children because they didn't cry on the first day of school. It seemed totally scripted and I wondered if it was in reaction to all of the comments on the children's awful behavior the week before.

Renee said...

Kate never wanted children. To her, children are commodities to be used for financial gain. She intentionally abused fertility drugs... I am still shocked that none of this has been brought to light publicly.

She really did start the trend of having kids for the sheer exploitation factor. Just look at the parents of the "balloon boy". Huge broods are no longer a draw so they've got to come up with new angles. This trend is sickening.

LP said...

Here she is for all the world to see when she really "dropped the mask". This is exactly why she needs to keep the show going. Without her hair people, makeup people, fashion adivsors, etc. she's just kate. This is the real kate that we never see.

http://gosselins.sosugary.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=32&pos=8

Anonymous said...

Well put. I think I felt the same way. Between season 2 and 3 I feel is when the fame went straight to her head. That is when they realized everything TLC and the show could do for them. I think it has been well documented that she feels a overinflated sense of entitlement. I disagree with the Gosselins and their choices on so many levels and worry about their children.

stopthemadness said...

Kate's children did not cry on the first day of school because they have been asked to do things and go places they did not want to, for years. The reward for crying and balking is the wooden spoon or at the very least mother's "severeness." I doubt tht they would act out, or that they still trust their own inclinations and feelings to the point where they even know when they are in danger or having fun unless they read it on her face. She makes them stnad in hot itchy winter clothes to be filmed pretending that it is Fall, they have to stand still, they have to smile, they aren't allowed to have water, etc. They go where they are pointed.

School will be fun for them as they finally get to be treated like individuals and be listened to, make friends, and make choices, all things they are not allowed never mind encouraged to do at home.

Rose said...

Yes, the mask has dropped, and Kate's true colors have truly come out to anyone who has a fraction of a brain--or rather, I should say, any kind of willingness to swallow their pride and admit that their former opinion of Kate just isn't accurate. What I'm still waiting for, though, is for the talk shows to STOP inviting this woman on the air to repeat her single-mom, victim-of-divorce lines over and over. You know what I'm talking about - her favorite lines that she uses every single time to garner sympathy: "Everything I do is for my kids." "Every parent has to work. Every parent has a job. Ours is a unique job." "I still feel like the show is a good thing, and the kids would agree." So on and so forth. And if they're going to bring her on their shows and ask her the questions, at least have the courage to ask the right ones - such as what will happen when the children are old enough to see what the show REALLY represented, beyond the cool vacations and meticulously planned outings that they THOUGHT Mommy and Daddy were just doing because they loved them. Sigh. Anytime they're ready to ask those questions, I'll be eager to hear Kate's crumbling attempt at a rehearsed answer.

goawayJandK said...

Ohio Buckeye -

1) One epi (right before Maui) they were explaining to the kids how they were getting married again ( uh, no K8 it's called a VOW RENEWAL)and she starts hugging Joel and rolling on the floor with him. It was so painfully contrived. Another epi she picked up Aaden and started tickling him - he looked at her with a classic WTF? look.

2) I always thought it odd that when K8 entered the nursery, NOT ONE of the tups EVER held their arms out for her to pick them up. It's almost like they knew she wouldn't pick them up.

CC said...

I wasn't exactly a sheeple, I don't think, just loved the KIDS from the get go. Even put it as my favorite show when I'd receive emails from friends called "getting to know you", where you answer silly questions about yourself that others may/may not know about you.(okay, guess I was a sheeple, huh?) Then, my defining moment came on the episode where Kon was reading emails, I think it was khate who said (paraphrasing here), "we don't care about all of the negative comments we get, we ignore those". Negative comments? What negative comments? Huh???
I googled their name, found this site and read every single post from beginning to end. My head was spinning like Linda Blairs in the Exorcist....I felt like such a fool. It made me physically ill to know I (and many, many others) had been snookered by them and TLC. I emailed the Gosselins (they still had a valid email address posted on their site) and told them how awful they were for what they were doing to their children and to the public -- greed and exploitation. I actually got a three word reply from them...."then don't watch". And, I haven't. Thank you friends for opening my eyes all those years ago

lmac said...

Remember the episode where they sat the entire family down in the garage and created a mission statement. THATS when I knew this was a crock of *&%#. I always thought they are going too far...too many episodes, too many seasons, not that interesting.

Midnight Serenade said...

"You know what I'm talking about - her favorite lines that she uses every single time to garner sympathy: "Everything I do is for my kids." "Every parent has to work. Every parent has a job. Ours is a unique job."
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Remember when they told the kids that they were purchasing a new house, and one of them asked how much it cost? Her reply was "that's why mommies and daddies work!" Of course she couldn't have been honest and said, "That's why the eight of you have worked...so you could buy the house! It's YOURS!" That would have been admitting that they have a job rather than being filmed in a "documentary."

Midnight Serenade said...

"I always thought they are going too far...too many episodes, too many seasons, not that interesting."

Did she really believe that this show was immortal?

Jules said...

Hoops said.....This trainwreck is shown in other countries? I am mortified. Thanks, kHate, for making me embarassed for my country.

I'm from Australia and yep we get this train wreck here too. We are just up to the moving into the new house and going and getting the dogs.

It is an interesting perspective watching the shows after reading the comments on here. Kind of like a pre warning of what to look out for.

Have to say that I love this site. You are all so insightful and have some great things to say.
Keep it up!!!

JoyinVirginia said...

My oldest daughter watched J&K at college and loved it. It was about a year and a half ago she came home and one night told her dad and I we had to watch it. The little kids were so cute!

We had never seen the show. We watched about 5 minutes and my husband's comment was "Why is he putting up with her talking to him like that? If your mother had ever talked to me like that, I would have left and never come back!" We turned it off and never watched again. Our DD agreed that K8 got much worse as the show went on.

Leigh said...

I live in Montreal, Canada. We can watch the show on TLC, or watch it on a local channel dubbed in French!

mamaK said...

Midnight Serenade said...
"I always thought they are going too far...too many episodes, too many seasons, not that interesting."

Did she really believe that this show was immortal?

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Actually, in the GH interview that's out now, when asked about ending the show her answer is something like, it's reality there is no finale then....

former fan now sad for the kids said...

I liked your article! I can totally relate. A couple of years ago, I really enjoyed the show and admired Kate. Once, I even wrote an email to her but when I hit send, if I remember correctly, her mailbox was full. Oh gosh, I can't believe I used to be such a fan! I just remember thinking that she was so organized and on top of things. I don't really remember when things started to change for me. How did I even find this blog? I can't remember, but I loved it as soon as I found it. Other people were thinking the same things that I was! This family changed so much and it's all because of the money and greediness. I think that Jon is sketchy nowadays, but Kate is not an innocent little victim. When I see the old shows now I can't help but think "well, maybe if you would've treated him better Kate..." I think it's horrible that the kids are stalked by paparazzi. Seeing them with cameras in their faces as they get on and off the bus...it's just so sad. And I don't blame the paparazzi, I blame the parents! Ok, now I have rambled. Thanks for your article!

Lauren K said...

I think it's interesting that TLC no longer shows hour after hour of J&K+8 reruns anymore - in the U.S. at least. It's an indication that the show is no longer as popular as it once was and they also want to protect their "golden girl" Kate.

Curious said...

Re: Kate's "organization/OCD" issue.

First, I'm not certain she truly has OCD. I personally think it's more of a control issue, than OCD, but it could be both. I'm not a dr ;)

I have OCD and I realize that this makes MY life hard and more importantly it makes life on those around me hard and that bothers me.

My mother was also OCD (undiagnosed). We called her "quirky" or had other euphemisms for her behaviors.

Most of my OCD issues are not the same as my mother's. I think this is likely because I found the stuff that bothered her "odd" when I was growing up.

I was fairly young when I had my kids (21 and 24), but I knew that my mom was "quirky" and so was I and because of that I went out of my way to try and make sure my children did not suffer the same issues.

It was HARD not to get "crazy" about the stuff that made me crazy, but I knew it was better for my kids so I did it...because that is what a parent does for their children. It's no longer about YOU it's about the KIDS.

My kids are late teens/young adults now and so far don't show any OCD behaviors. Maybe they wouldn't have anyway, but I'm glad I had the foresight to try and ensure they wouldn't for THIER benefit.

As a side note, some years ago I was disabled. Nothing is worse for an OCD than losing basically all control. While disability kinda sucks, it was a crash course in dealing with my behaviors and while I still have some behaviors, I don't have nearly as many as I used to simply because I can't.

Well I probably still could, but I imagine I'd be buried in the backyard by loved ones by now ;)

Kate better hope she never becomes disabled because she is going to be in for a really rude awakening (I was and I think I'm slightly more self-aware than Kate).

I was very ashamed of the problems my behaviors caused for others (even though my family/friends were really good about it, I knew I was a big PITA) and did try to minimize that.

Kate doesn't understand or care what her behaviors do to others. It's very sad :(

Savannah said...

What ever happened to the Gosselin family's invovlement with the church? (I think that once Kate remarked that due to the increasing popularity of the show-it was hard/distraction for them to be a part of a church) Oh, how convenient-wouldn't you say?Obviously, she just used them. She seems to have had an adgenda well before the lights and cameras appeared. She just has a knack for preying on kind souls.takes full advantage of their heartfelt generosity and then tosses them aside like an old newspaper. I find it hard for someone like her to continuously get away with such disgusting and inhumane behavior. I do believe that karma will intervene sooner or later. The kids, I think will be ok. They have so many relatives/family & others that love them and will be there to support them. <3

Ohio Buckeye said...

GoAwayJ&K, Thank you for the examples and for letting me know I'm not the only one who noticed this. Long ago I lost my ability to be objective about K8, as her behavior grew so completely off the wall, so thanks for the back up that I did not imagine this just because I so strongly object to K8's behavior as a whole.

Vanessa said...

From reading all the posts, we ALL seem to have the same story. Loved/liked the show, the kids, the premise.
Then "something" snuck up on us. A feeling, a sense of "WTH?" Just SOMETHNING. The thing is 'they' hadn't changed at all. The show was a means to accomplish their agenda. They "tried" to portray the average family thrust into an unusual circumtance and the first episodes gave that impression. But their true essence/being (well mostly HERS) slowly started to poke through. WHY did we all find this site and others like it? Because of that gut feeling that something was UP with that family/chick. But then, UNBELIEVABLE! Literally, my jaw dropped when I found out about all the crap they'd/she'd pulled off even BEFORE the show. She's right, they can't go back and by that, I mean back to what we all FIRST thought of them.

season 5 said...

Leigh said...
I live in Montreal, Canada. We can watch the show on TLC, or watch it on a local channel dubbed in French!

Just curious, how do they translate "ding dong," "aggreeance," and "horrendously horrendous" into Franch?

KatesBigFlintstoneToe said...

LP said...
Here she is for all the world to see when she really "dropped the mask". Without her hair people, makeup people, fashion adivsors, etc. she's just kate. This is the real kate that we never see.

http://gosselins.sosugary.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=32&pos=8

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Let's not forget, THIS is Kate without her Stevie by her side to protect her from herself! Looks like she may have been saying something nasty to this paparazzi!

Joanne said...

I saw the real Kate without her mask right from the start. I never liked her.

Lucy said...

Leigh said...
I live in Montreal, Canada. We can watch the show on TLC, or watch it on a local channel dubbed in French!

Leigh I live in Calgary and we watchi it dubbed in COWBOY! The show is so staged and full of it, it seems fitting. YAHOO!

Mother of 5 Sons said...

I love this site and am so glad to see that there are others that aren't buying into the "reality" of JK+8...but I am really wondering if there are any industry insiders who know if any of this criticism is actually reaching the fat cats at TLC and if so, what are they saying about it.
...................................

We can pretty accurately guess some things are posed and they happen because of what their people read here.

For instance, so many posters have commented here on how Kate thinks her little boys are "icky" and that she pretty much ignores them.

So, low and behold, the ranch in Wyoming episode has Kate alone with her sons. There is a lot of interaction, but it is plain bizarre when she goes on and on about what a privilege it is for her to be the mother of these amazing boys, boys that she said turned into men on this trip!

We all knew they were still just 5 year old boys, but she hadn't paid enough attention to them to even realize they are pretty normal 5 year olds.

Karen said...

I live in Montreal, Canada. We can watch the show on TLC, or watch it on a local channel dubbed in French!
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OK, I admit it-I think it would be interesting to see/hear it in another language.

Doris said...

"I actually got a three word reply from them...."then don't watch". And, I haven't."

Only an arrogant, self serving, witch would send you an email reply like the one above. What an ungrateful little snot.

Clevelandmama said...

AngelOfDecay said...
[snip]
I watched the show every now and then because it was on.[snip]Even if my life occasionally is depressing at least I don't have a horrible screeching litter of disgusting children.

Then I came to realize, this is not fiction. These kids are not a disgusting litter, they are real kids that deserves better. Now I have started to think a lot more about the morality of reality shows.
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Good call, Angel. I just wish rest of their audience, both sheeple and trainwreckwatchers, would be able to get that insight.
Yes, the damage to these kids make JK+8 one of the most really real shows there is.

Big Flap O' Hair said...

Savannah said:
What ever happened to the Gosselin family's invovlement with the church? (I think that once Kate remarked that due to the increasing popularity of the show-it was hard/distraction for them to be a part of a church)
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I know we've discussed this point now and again, but it's worth revisiting, particularly within the context of Kate saying the show made church too difficult. Sure, if you have the lights and cameras following you everywhere! More evidence that she can't go do the simplest things (like visiting Lady Liberty ... or going to church) without the literal spotlight on her.

Umm, you know what family is even more famous than yours, Kate? But yet they still manage to go to church and don't use excuses? That would be the Obamas. (and before them, the Bushes).

I'm no churchgoer, but all her hypocritical excuses are so laughable.

Beejcctx said...

Someone wrote:

P.S. There are other bad things in the garage episode, I just can't list them all. A taste: Jon: "Kevin is the male version of Kate, except for the yelling." Then, "I like when Kevin's around, because my wife is nicer to me." Kate: "Nicer! as if I'm mean to you normally" Jon: "Welll..."

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Actually this is typical Narcissistic behavior - to be all sweet, lovey dovey and basically nice and civil when GUESTS are around.... but revert to form when they are not.

My mom was like that, Joan Crawford to us, when her friends came over or mine - she was sickly sweet. Only a couple of times did her "mask" slip....usually in front of my friends, then they were banned from the house.

But our neighbors knew what a shrew she was to my dad and us.

That's the thing, she was hiding it, until she got too comfortable and possibly even too EMPOWERED by the cameras that the "REAL KATE" came out in droves.

PS: I used to always know they were hypocrites when they would say "TLC won't let us pray on tv" - when THEY were listed as producers and the Roloffs and the Duggars were seen expressing their faiths on their shows.

Beejcctx said...

CityGirl said...
"Also, I really don't think that jon realizes that "Kate's book" the best seller one, Is his book as well. About him, his kids too. Not just hers, hers, hers. He has said that she isn't broke, where is the 1 million from her book?"

Actually, it was Beth's book all along. For a time, there was a cover WITHOUT Jon's name on it. I think the publisher (and potentially TLC) insisted on the "Brand Name" of Jon and Kate - leaving Beth out in the cold as the approved collaborator/ghost writer.

For all we know, the need for Jon's name to be added to the book cover could be why Beth also seems to have dropped Kate.

hoops said...

Big Flap O' Hair, you deserve some kind of prize for your screen name. Best name on this site! It literally made me lol.

Come and Get Your Popcorn said...

Thank you for coming forward with that well written piece. I used to be the same way. I thought the kids were fortunate to have such a wonderful mom and then I started getting a head's up, until I realized they had betrayed my trust and given me just enough time to get attached to the kids before their true colors came out. Kate is a monster, jon is not a bad person but has been abused for so long he doesn't know how to act. I wanted to watch those kids grow up, but now I feel very sorry for them that they have such a bad lot in life and that it must surely be much worse for the than we could possibly imagine.

LP said...

For those of you who want to see the picture of kHate sans makeup and designer clothing, it's now been moved to picture 33.

http://gosselins.sosugary.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=32&pos=33

Nikki said...

i share ur sentiments. i cant watch any of the season 5 reruns and most of season 4 bec its so painful. i loved them on season 1,2,3. if they were the same family then i wouldve probably started a petition to keep them on tv. :(

Rose said...

"Former fan" wrote...

"I think it's horrible that the kids are stalked by paparazzi. Seeing them with cameras in their faces as they get on and off the bus...it's just so sad. And I don't blame the paparazzi, I blame the parents!"

You're absolutely right...and yet if you ask Jon or Kate, they'll spin it around and say that the PAPARAZZI exploit the kids, not them. Because of course, Jon and Kate don't have any right to call any of the shots that involve their 5 and 9-year-old children. That comment made me laugh the first time I heard Jon say it. Yeah, the media is brutal, especially to children, but as their parents, you have every right to protect them, you are the only people in the world who can truly protect them...and you're not. That is all on you - not the media. It's not their job to keep your little ones safe. That's what Mommy and Daddy are for.

Huh said...

Savannah said...
"What ever happened to the Gosselin family's invovlement with the church? (I think that once Kate remarked that due to the increasing popularity of the show-it was hard/distraction for them to be a part of a church) Oh, how convenient-wouldn't you say?Obviously, she just used them."

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I guess they don't go to church anymore, which is really sad. It's also a pretty lame excuse that they can't go because they're too "popular." If US Presidents can still manage to make it to church, I think a couple celebrity wannabes can manage to make it safely.

livnluv said...

I've been listening to all the coverage of the "balloon boy" and the probable hoax that's been perpetuated by the parents.

How is this hoax any different than the hoax played on the viewing public that was a renewal of vows by Jon and Kate...and then Kate kicking Jon out a couple of months later. How could TLC NOT know what was going on and yet they had no problem perpetuating a hoax on all of us. You could also say that Jon & Kate would have some liability in this, but it sounds like TLC have both of them under their corporate thumb and are calling all the shots. That's why Jon is in such deep s**t now. He's bucking the TLC machine. As far as TLC is concerned it's my way or the highway...and, for punishment, we aren't going to let you work anywhere else. Perhaps a class action lawsuit filed by the viewing public et al would wake someone up to what's going on. WE WERE DUPED!

Lucy said...

I loved this segment on The Soup about Kate and her "parenting and social skills" So very true!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgTyBK5YJlE&feature=related

Author said...

Jon - if you're reading this, the book, Multiple Blessings....is equally yours. Go to amazon.com and bring it up. You're listed as an author. Stop referring to it as HER book. That only empowers her. Start calling it OUR book. You are entitled to some of the proceeds (as are Beth and the kids).

fidosmommy said...

I guess they don't go to church anymore, which is really sad. It's also a pretty lame excuse that they can't go because they're too "popular." If US Presidents can still manage to make it to church, I think a couple celebrity wannabes can manage to make it safely.

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Yes! I don't know many church goers who go to gawk at
other worshippers. Also, if I recall, the last time we saw the Gosselins in the Assembly of God church they claimed as their own, they told us that the kids loved going. I think I remember that there were only Gosselin children in that class, too, which I found incredibly sad.

Beana said...

Thanks for the post, h'smammy! My experience with the show started very similarly to yours. At first I thought, wow, what an interesting show - how does two parents raise 8 kids under the age of 10? But as you said, things started getting really uncomfortable. That's when I took to the internet to see if anybody was noticing what I was noticing. That's how I found GWoP. This site is truly an eye opener. I don't watch the show anymore, just come on here to read the entertaining recaps.

Denise said...

Rose:

“The ones claiming we are exploiting our children,” Kate says—here referring to the tabloids and other media that have criticized her for putting her kids on television—“are the ones exploiting our children!”

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2009/10/jon-and-kate-gosselin-200910?currentPage=3

Clevelandmama said...

Credit Where Credit Is Due said...

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Good call, Angel. I just wish rest of their audience, both sheeple and trainwreckwatchers, would be able to get that insight.
Yes, the damage to these kids make JK+8 one of the most really real shows there is.

10/19/2009 8:47 AM
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Really? What makes you think most of the audience doesn't have that insight? Why do you think GWOP was ever begun?

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Please read more carefully, Credit.
I said that their AUDIENCE (TRAINWRECKERS and SHEEPLE) didn't have that insight.

While it is good that so many people, GWOPers and others, see the damage that is being done to this family, it is really sad that
there are so many people left who are sucked into the madness.

dianam17 said...

havent posted in a while, been busy at work.

i just have to say- in regards to the 'OCD' term she throws around... it makes my skin crawl. my sister is diganosed OCD and is on a combination of $700/mo worth of medication. OCD has nothing to do with a clean house or having to be organized. my sister has "routines" she has to do- routines that if she does not do them, will cause great anxiety, fear and panic. fear of DYING. routines that consist of turning her lights in her bedroom on and off and saying goodnight to the trees in the backyard out of a specific window. these are EXACT things she does EVERY day (well, before therapy & meds).

cleaning your floor 3 times a day because you cant stand a dirty house and it will make you "freak out" is not OCD my dear. its an excuse to not spend time and energy with your kids. not a mental disease. unless being a flat out biotchy counts :)

Midnight Serenade said...

“The ones claiming we are exploiting our children,” Kate says—here referring to the tabloids and other media that have criticized her for putting her kids on television—“are the ones exploiting our children!”

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I wonder if she really believes this and is just not intelligent enough to realize that if she didn't put her kids out there initially, there would be no tabloids and media to "exploit" the children?

she is evil said...

Starting in Season 3, I began to complain to my wise-beyond-her-years 12 year old that Kate was a self-impressed camera hog and mean to Jon. My daughter would fake-scold me and say, "Mom, she has eight kids. Don't say mean things about her." I stopped verbalizing what I felt about Kate out of respect for my daughter and soon stopped watching the show altogether because it irritated me so.

Lo and behold, my daughter happened upon a rerun of Cupcakegate. She called me to the tv room and said, "Oh. My. God. She didn't let the boys eat their birthday cupcakes! It looks like they ate as much as the girls! Mom, you have my permission to complain about Kate from now on. I can't stand her anymore." Out of the mouth of babes.

Theygrossmeout said...

I posted in another area and I am wondering if anyone saw the espisode where Kate took the entire family to buy beds for the 6? She sat on her butt in the middle of the store while Jon chased the kids along with whomever was behind the scenes. When Colin was sick that day (constipated) too much information. The poor child was crying and miserable and being ignored by Kate the saint. Jon kept saying Kate, Colin is miserable and she was like sorry Jon I am busy can you just take him away.. The show made it seem that it was hours of her thumbing through brochures because she could not make a decision. Meanwhile Colin is crying "change me" it was horrible to watch. She sends Jon to the van with Colin and another one to change him. Even when Colin is saying I want Mommy to change me she is too busy picking out furniture. I was mortified on many levels. Jon reported back to Kate and the viewers how he had to pull the poop out with a plastic bag wrapped hand because it was still stuck in his butt. Do you really think these are wonderful "memories" that she is making for her children? When they get older don't you think these children will resent her for this much exposure to personal issues? I know for any amount of money I would never want anyone to see this. Secondly she is nothing short of neglectful. This is one Jon should take to court to show the real Kate. How anyone can defend her sickens me.

One day the kids should grow up and do a reality show called Jon and Kate old and Faint. One of the stories should be Kate having her depends changed while she drools and babbles. What entertainment. Honestly. She disgusts me.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

I did watch part of it and, please somebody do a recap. I'm dying to hear one of you write about Kate's hot air balloon noises with those faces. LOL

And, interestingly, she did a voiceover about how they could have gone closer to home but something about life experiences and blah blah blah.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"Do you really think these are wonderful "memories" that she is making for her children? When they get older don't you think these children will resent her for this much exposure to personal issues? I know for any amount of money I would never want anyone to see this."

Totally agree. As if their potty training and bathing isn't enough, who would want THAT captured on tape for the world to see? They could have edited it out at least.

concerned_college_student said...

I'm a long-ish time lurker of GWOP, first time poster. I think it's great what you guys do here. h'smammy, I really appreciated your article. I think your husband is right about the mask. Though I think Kate's character was more apparent than many realize much sooner in the show (even season 1).

I'm a junior in college and watched JK+8 from the beginning. It was one of the shows my mom and I enjoyed watching together. I was always disturbed by Kate's control-freakish nature, but I attributed it to her nursing background (I have nothing against nurses, but those I have known tend to like to control the environment around them). But the kids were cute so I kept watching consistently through the vow renewal. I thought it was sweet, though to be honest kind of unnecessary because they had only been married for 10-ish years.

At the back of my mind there was always some red flags. I never understood why family wasn't more involved. You see those 20/20 specials on families with multiples and it seems like the only way they survive is because of their extended family and friends. Kate's despicable behavior towards Jon. I could never understand how he put up with her speaking to him that way. My parents never speak to each other in such a manner. Ever! Her questionable behavior towards the children, as well as a general lack of interest in them. Her crazy freak-outs. All were warning signs but I kept watching because the kids were cute and there wasn't much else on TV. Anyhow life got busy, I stopped watching every episode. I occasionally checked online to see what was happening. I watched the episodes when they moved into their new house. It was all good and well. I couldn't really blame them for getting a new house. I mean after all - 8 kids 4 bedrooms, I'm sure it got crowded (especially if the parents are fighting all the time).

Anyhow as everything began to crumble I decided to tune in for the season 5 premiere. After that episode I refused to ever turn on an episode again. For me I can't in good conscious watch a family fall apart. I think it is morally and ethically wrong to be broadcasting the demise of the Gosselins. No matter where you fall on the who's fault is it debate (I have problems with both J and K) I think most people if they really stopped and thought about this issue would agree.

The main reason I wanted to post something however is because of something livnluv said about being duped. The thing that really disgusts me about TLC, the producers, the Gosselins is that they were more than happy to dupe the American public. If the tabloids hadn't got wind of Jon and his affairs who knows how long the charade would have continued. From what I've read about the season 5 episodes that were filmed before the big announcement, generally speaking they were portrayed as a "happy" family. All of them should be ashamed of themselves for going along with this plot. For me, TLC has lost any shreds of credibility.

not K8's bestest friend said...

I forgot to mention in my first post that one of the main draws for me was that they had six babies when they were only trying for one more. I could not imagine how shocking that would be, especially for people who don't believe in selective reduction. I tried to put myself in their situation. What would I do if I accidentally got pregnant with six? I was pretty shocked when I learned the infertility issues and wanting "just one more" might very well be a lie.

JFaye said...

I used to enjoy the first few seasons of this show, before the masks came off. Now, I question if any of it was 'real'. I think the Gosselins' religion was just a part of the marketing strategy -- never real. Obviously, the entire California/Hawaii trip with the vows renewal was a hoax. Hopefully Jon's love for his children is real. I am having a hard time believing that Kate has the slightest idea of what love is -- true, unselfish, unconditional love that most parents have for their kids.

Lauren said...

I think a lot of us were a lot like you in the beginning. I enjoyed the show at first because it was supposed to be about family, a mom that I could relate to, and all the things involved in taking care of a home, and of course the kids. After watching several episodes, I began to see Kate's true colors. That's when I decided to "Google" her and I found this site. It summed up everything I had been thinking. I have also read the sheeple sites, just so that I can keep my opinion balanced and I do not become too negative. After all, we are dealing with another human being. But for the most part, I agree with most of the comments on this site, and have found a lot of information to be true and accurate. The truth always seem to come out, and Kate has told a lot of lies. I am sure we have not seen the last of it!

TVsnark said...

Suzie - - I have been communicating with Hailey. She is a very nice, sweet and sincere person.

Momof2 said...

TVsnark said...

Suzie - - I have been communicating with Hailey. She is a very nice, sweet and sincere person.
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...apparently Baby Mama has been communicating with her too...I wonder what they talk about? Maybe you can find out got us, eh?

can't stand her said...

Kate is in everyone's business. Talking to all of jon's women. She can't stand not being in control. The divorce, her eventual pay out to Jon, her failing tv career, the loss of her kids' affection, the public's hatred for her, and Hollywood's rejection of her are all things she has to look forward to and cannot control. Try as hard as she may.

Also, for snarkiness' sake, anyone notice that Kates neck juts out from her torso at a 45 degree angle, much like a cow's would? Look at the picture of her card being declined. Moo

jenny said...

I always questioned Kate with regards to her infertility treatments. You see, my husband and I were very much like J&K - we married young, we started trying for a baby right away, and it didn't work. But what was SO odd to me was that Kate jumped into infertility testing and treatments after only trying for six months! Some women do not ovulate regularly for the first few months after stopped the pill anyway so it is absurd for a young 20-something to run to the OB/GYN begging for testing.

My husband and I didn't even consider treatment options until we had already been trying for one year naturally. We made the decision to try for two years naturally since we were young and had read a study that said most couples will conceive naturally if they try for at least 2 years. We ended up losing two precious babies to miscarriage and received the diagnosis of 'unexplained infertility' after all of the testing was completed. After we tried for two years we became pregnant and I am now 20 weeks pregnant with one baby!

At first I loved the show. Yes, I thought Kate was a little rude and Jon was a little dumb about things but I thought it was a good show. But I always had that thought in the back of my mind that something just wasn't right about Kate.

jenny said...

Btw, I don't want to sound like I'm faulting women who do really need infertility treatments. I certainly met many of those women during my journey and I was nearly one of them. In fact, we would have followed the same protocol that Kate followed had we not gotten pregnant when we did. The thing that really irked me was the fact that Kate ran to the doctor in her early 20s after only trying for a few months!

mom of 2 in Canada said...

Theygrossmeout said...

I have never seen the "picking out beds" episode where Collin is constipated, so I was very curious and viewed it on youtube....

all I can say is omg. To me this episode says it all. It shows Kate's priorities even back than, material things are more important than her kids. She is so obsessed with the beds, with little care about her son in pain.... Put down the damn brochure and tend to the needs of your poor (in a lot of pain and discomfort) child!!

I'm sure she never had to pay a dime for those beds. I'd love to get inside the head of that salesman. You can almost see what he's thinking. Very sad.

trixietall said...

I have never posted on any of these boards before, but the last few weeks of Gosselin nonsense has had me so upset, I feel compelled.

It has only recently come to my attention that Kate Gosselin had tried to appeal medicaid to receive additional funding for nurses for her sextuplets when they were infants. As an ex-Wernersville resident, and PA taxpayer, I am FURIOUS. Interestingly enough, I have moved from Berks County and reside in Bucks county, PA and work in Montgomery county PA. The Gosselins filed for divorce in Bucks county and are having their arbitration hearings in Montgomery county. Basically, they have taken advantage of the taxpayers money in every municipality that is personal to me and I have paid taxes to for years. When will this stop??? I have raised two children alone for over a decade and I don't receive a dime from the government, rather, I contribute handsomely and somehow these idiot Gosselins reap the rewards of my civic responsibilities.

My question I raise for discussion is this: It is a matter of public record that the Gosselins received government subsidized healthcare. It is record that they received numerous financial and material goods donations. WHAT HAVE THEY GIVEN BACK TO SOCIETY? I don't mean "faux foundations" that make good PR material, but rather cold, hard cash donations. They stand with there hands out when in need but are above "paying it forward" when life has been good to them. It is obvious the recent events is a simple case of karma!

Sincerely,
AngryPAtaxpayer

Infertile or no? said...

I am a physician but not an ob-gyn or fertility specialist. In medical school, you learn the basic sciences plus the basics of the different specialties before you branch out and interact with patients and learn more about the specialties in depth.

Ob-gyn 101: many couples do not conceive immediately, especially if the woman had been on the pill prior to trying to get pregnant. The first rule of infertility treatment is that you do not even work up the couple for fertility problems for one year because the vast majority of them will conceive given time. Especially young couples like Jon and Kate were. If Kate did in fact have polycystic ovary syndrome, it would be treated medically first, often by placing the woman on the pill for a while to try to normalize the menstrual cycle. The signs of PCOS include obesity, amenorrhea (loss of periods) and excessive facial hair. Kate was no skinny minnie or great beauty but did not resemble the typical PCOS patient. For her doctors to go straight to in vitro or whatever they did is not the standard of care. Something is not right about her treatment, starting with her first pregnancy

Lauren said...

jenny has left a new comment on the post "Dropping of the Mask":

I always questioned Kate with regards to her infertility treatments. You see, my husband and I were very much like J&K - we married young, we started trying for a baby right away, and it didn't work. But what was SO odd to me was that Kate jumped into infertility testing and treatments after only trying for six months! Some women do not ovulate regularly for the first few months after stopped the pill anyway so it is absurd for a young 20-something to run to the OB/GYN begging for testing.
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I have always felt like this was all part of Kate's plan--she wanted the attention of more than one baby, so that is why she went with fertility treatments so fast.
Two was not enough so she tried for more, and the rest is history.

RyzandShyn said...

For Renee in particular and everyone else too....
You are not alone.
I watched the documentary because a large multiple birth and all that goes after it is just plain fascinating.
The show turned me off in the beginning. I was saying "oh no" a lot while watching and constantly commenting to my daughter (who loved the show) that Kate made me uncomfortable. My daughter continued watching and kept dragging me in by talking about the children...their antics, personalities, and all the fun stuff. So, ok, I watched, and enjoyed the children.
I was always uncomfortable with much of what went on, although I understood that afterall, it IS their life, nothing about it is easy, and although I raised three children by myself I couldn't fathom what would have happened if it were eight. Live and let live I figured, it's not what I would do, but they have to make their own way.
As the seasons rolled on, everything snowballed out of control..Kate, Maddie, Jon, the freebies, the set-ups, the nasty comments, the failed relationships. OMG.
I stopped watching. I teach children who are currently not living with their families for all the usual reasons, and I couldn't stand to watch emotional pain on television after working with that same pain all day.
I hope for nothing but healing and peace for them all.

Spanish Mike Alvarez said...

After seeing Kate and Jon continually give interviews to keep their names in the headlines, the most recent being the Vanity Fair piece.

All I have to say is, Jon and Kate, enjoy it while you can.

Because the day will come when the paps will stop showing up at the house and bus stop, the interview offers will dry up, since the publicity is less, all the freebies will go away.

This is the beginning of the end. You guys are done. You just don't know it yet.

How are you going to pay two mortgages? Pay all the taxes? Pay all the lawyers?

Its over.

sillyrabbit said...

The thing that really irked me was the fact that Kate ran to the doctor in her early 20s after only trying for a few months!


I read a past article interviewing Kate on the topic of her infertility and PCOS. Regarding J & K's decision to pursue infertility treatments, Kate said they ( Kate/JOn/doctor) agreed to go ahead with the treatment(s) 'just in case it would take a long time to get pregnant naturally'. My question is? What is the qualifying definition of 'long time'. I understand that Kate was diagnosed with having PCOS but not (obviously) infertile. JOn and Kate were married in their early 20's and pregnant with the twins less than one year later. Three years later, Kate decided she wanted to 'try' for ONE MORE but again, opted to pursue the route of infertility treatments which resulted in sextuplets. My question is how much time did J & K give to trying to conceive naturally? Did they attempt to conceive 'naturally', but were unsuccessful during the years between the twins and the second go round of infertility treatments that resulted in the sextuplets? Is 'just in case it will take a long time' REALLY considered a QUALIFYING MEDICAL CRITERIA with respect to infertility treatments?

For The Moment? said...

Re: Fertility or no--- treatments, etc.

Thanks for the medical insight.

I have always suspected that this was a planned multiple birth...it never set right with me. Especially the pains she made to say "just one more"---when people are stretching the truth they tend to cloud the issue with details not necessary to the equation.

I think she saw dollar signs and knew exactly what she was doing. And that she completely pulled it over on Jon as she would know that medical records are kept confidential.

Missouri Mule said...

Does anyone remember when the interviewer asked her was it true that she wished she was Asian? Kate said that she has always loved the Asian features and use to love her little Asian dolls and yes, she wished she was Asian. I remember when she first saw Jon, she said that she had to have him. Has Kate been planning all of this all along? I don't think Kate ever really loved Jon. I think he was a means to an end. I am so thankful for GWOP...after hearing and reading about Kate all day, you can come here and get some logic! These tv execs had better be careful who they make a reality star! They got a nut case with this one.

IVF-MommyofONE said...

Regarding the infertility treatment discussion...a "good" (i.e., medically compliant & ethical) Dr. will begin treatment for infertility after one year of trying to conceive (if under age 30) OR 3 pregnancy losses. If infertility treatment is covered by insurance (only in some states) then insurance will not pay unless those standards are met.

I watched this show a few times in the beginning b/c I was intrigued by the infertility issue. I felt a connection to this family b/c I was experiencing infertility. One thing that struck me from the beginninng was the LACK OF GRATITUDE. I know many women (myself included) who would have given a limb for a baby (ONE baby) and this woman got 8 and she was so so ungrateful. She never talks about her infertility sturggle, which really bothers me. Yes, it is very personal, but having been fortunate enough to be blessed with a healthy baby (after 3 miscarriages & 2 failed IVF) I want to share my experience with the world to FURTHER THE CAUSE and EDUCATE people about what it really means. I've never met someone who has struggled with infertility (it is a STRUGGLE) who does not count their blessings (not just if they were lucky enough to have children but with other things in life). Infertility CHANGES people, usually for the better. I have always questioned her for that reason.

Jane in California said...

dianam17 said:
leaning your floor 3 times a day because you cant stand a dirty house and it will make you "freak out" is not OCD my dear. its an excuse to not spend time and energy with your kids. not a mental disease. unless being a flat out biotchy counts :)
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I used to like this show in the beginning and watched every episode. Kate was always somewhat annoying to me, but I could excuse her behavior for various reasons. And I was really watching to see the adorable tups.

As time went on and Kate's behavior became more blatant, I recalled more and more behaviors that took on an entirely different light. And yes, the supposed obsession with laundry, and keeping the floor clean by sweeping three times a day, etc., suddenly revealed a woman who really didn't want to interact with her own children and sought excuses for why she didn't have time to do so.

All moms are busy moms, whether we have one child or 8, or more. Fortunately for our children, few moms really think that having a spotless floor is more important that spending time with your children, especially your little toddlers who need you that much more.

Kate isn't natural. She's a sort of freak of nature, and the gene that most parents have where they unconditionally love their offspring - it's missing in her. It never was there to begin with, but when she just had the twins, she still found it entertaining to do "mommy" things with them. Once she had the tuplets and got the show, it turned into "what can I get out of this?" and she had no desire to spend time with those babies more than necessary to make it look "good" for the cameras.

IVFMommyofOne said...

Oops, I forgot to add from my last post that:
-a good infertility clinic will mandate a psychological evaluation and financial counseling
-it is not uncommon to be treated young for infertility, I began with mine at 26 (I'm 29 now)
-for various reasons a couple may not likely try to conceive naturally between children (I will not b/c of my particular history)they will go right to treatment when ready for another child
-At the clinic I went to the Dr's will NOT transfer more than 2 embryo's during IVF unless you agree to consider selective reduction in pregnancies of three or more (obviously they cannot force you to reduce but they do bring it to your awareness how risky multiples are) I imagine the education is the same for IUI & other treatments that can possibly result in multiples
-this clinic has a very low rate of multiples because of these standards

That being said, all of that occurred at a GOOD CLINIC, obviously not all Dr's are that ethical. Infertility is a business which is why there needs to be more education and regulation. Tjis family is an example of infertility failure.

mommadiane5 said...

Kate's infertility has bothered me, too. How was she so sure that she couldn't conceive naturally? 4 months can not be considered a long time to try to get pregnant. How did she get a Doctor to go along with this? I kept getting more questions in my mind.

I confess I bought their 1st book. It created more questions. So, I tried to do a little research on PCOS. If you have pcos, you might not ovulate or have regular periods or any periods.This is just 1 possiblity out of many. And, that made me wonder...maybe Kate did not have periods and was fairly sure she would have a tough time getting pregnant. Just, IMO, maybe, that's why she got a dr. to go along. Maybe?

Mona said...

Sadly, I think Kate thinks she has done the world a huge favor by producing 8 children with Kate- approved Asian characteristics. Do we all remember her pushing the twins around in a stroller at a
4th of July celebration, decked with a sign announcing this stroller contained THE GOSSELIN TWINS! Who the hell cared? She was wanting attention, attention, attention even then. And when nobody got all worked up about her having 2 children at the same time, it became imperative that she do "better" next time. She WOULD BE NOTICED! Ah yes, sextuplets worked very nicely, thank you. She was now the momma
diva she wanted to be. These children were her props even before TLC ever heard of her. They were her ticket to being noticed. By herself, she would fade into the woodwork, unnoticed
by anybody. She needed to get supporting characters to play bit parts to her starring role. Whether it ever went on TV or not was immaterial. People would talk about Kate Kreider with amazement in their voices. She's the mother of EIGHT CHILDREN! How DOES she do it? Let's go see Kate! Let's read all about Kate! oh yeah, and the kids, too.

I don't believe she actually ever wanted to mother anybody. I believe she wanted the children to be the magnet that brought Kate into focus in the world. Notice she doesn't seem to know how to mother - she feeds them, but that's about it. Otherwise, she seems lost in a sea of uncertainty
about how to handle the first thing about mothering even one child. She simply has not bonded with her children. She still looks like she expects them to know what she wants, rather than
know what they need. She seems distant. She seems disinterested.
She's going through the motions but
her heart is not in this, at all.

Not every woman is cut out to be a mother. It is not a biological or psychological given that every woman should bear children. Kate probably might have done the world a bigger favor if she had seriously considered her interest in doing the Mommy work before she began producing children, Asian or otherwise. These children deserve a mother. What they have is an activity director who gets her ideas from a corporation. Nothing more. It is heartbreaking.

I'm sorry this is so long and rambling, but I am appalled that TLC continues to think Kate is any kind of a mother to these children.

organizedblogroll said...

I remember the face she made when Dr. Glassman refused the boob job.
For a moment she went into the ungrateful woman she is....

"Buy a better bra" didn't go over very well.....

Ya gotta give Kate credit though....
She didn't make her boob job a show topic to get a free one!!!

livnluv said...

snip...I'm sorry this is so long and rambling, but I am appalled that TLC continues to think Kate is any kind of a mother to these children.
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Even sadder than Kate not being a mother is that TLC KNOWS this is true and that's her appeal to them. The "mother of 8" that everybody loves to hate. Brings in ratings = $$ and that's ALL TLC cares about. If they cared about the welfare of the kids this show would have ended a long time ago.

Chewy said...

Just because Kate said all the right things in the beginning and the kids were cute and they seemed just like one of us never made it ok, though. She was never one of us. People who do reality shows are not the majority. No matter how sweet people are, sacrificng their children's privacy for fame-whoring is wretched - even from the seemingly sweet people like Kate (the prequel) and Michelle Dugger, etc. So many celebrities out there are famous for their jobs, and yes, their kids get caught in the spotlight at times as well, but these TLC reality people are ONLY famous for their kids.

I know the parents have given us permission to watch their kids embarrass themselves in every way possible, but I still think reality should be reserved for 18 years old and above. Anything younger and we are just peeping toms.

Don't Worry About Beth said...

Mrs Taylor said....
Beth, what happened to you? Where did you go? Did Kate dish you after you wrote the book for her because you should be compensated? Kate is the most selfish person and if she's broke she should sell her million dollar home and move back into the old house. She doesn't need a chef, babysitters daily, laundry service, craft services is she's the mother she says she is.
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I'm sure Beth is being compensated just fine for the book sales, or was paid a lump sum instead of royalties, both options would have been figured out in a contract she would have signed.

Vanessa said...

I'm convinced she told the doctor they had tried naturally for the required one year. Again lying/deceiving for personal gain.
Also, has there ever been an interview with the fertility doctor who treated them? I understand the Octomom's doctor trying to stay under the radar, what with all the backlash. But those "Hershey's Kisses" were deemed a miracle at the time...did the doctor speak?

viewer from Aust said...

Im a long time reader first time poster of GWoP.

I live in Australia, so we have not yet received the new seasons of J&K+8. I havent watched for a long time. I use to love watching the 8, and always thought that the way khate talked and treated jon wasnt quite right, but loved watching the kids so i kept watching.

Then i started to watch some of the new eps on youtube and noticed the way khate had changed, so stopped watching, but kept reading GWoP.

Anyways, last night i was flicking the channels and noticed J&K+8 was on so i stopeed to see which ep it was. It was the one where they went back to the old house to finish cleaning it out.

I was watching just for something to do, and my oh my khate didnt allow jon to say a word during the interview sessions. (i think he only said a few words about his dad and the stuff his dad gave hime, but that was all) I found it funny that everytime khate would say somehting, jon would look at the camera and roll his eyes!

i just wished that had stopped at the end of that season, and not continued on. its a pity those kids have to have their whole life turned upside on national (and world) tv.

angela said...

I just hope that the kids can get back to normal after the camera crew leave.