Another post on A Minor Consideration

A new post has been made that includes the most recent Jon & Kate Plus 8 episode: http://www.minorcon.org/kids_and_animals.html.

26 comments:

babeeberry said...

Wow, an animal would never have to pose or act in a sweater during 95 degree weather...yet the Gosselin children did just that. What a shame animals have better protection on set than those adorable G children...what a shame.

ThankYou said...

That is a very very good article. Why is it that people will go ballistic when they think an animal may be harmed but praise a family who use their children for income?

Anonymous said...

Was the mention of the animals in reference to the dog that was brought on the set to help with the photo shoot? I don't watch the show anymore but I read that a dog was involved. Just curious.

Anonymous said...

i just saw on my tivo season pass for the TLC show "Say Yes to the Dress" is featuring Kate Gosselin as she selects her wedding gown for her vow renewals. i think it's the the first episode on (there are 2 back to back on this Friday, and it's a new episode. I love this show (Yes to the Dress, not J&K+8) and am bummed that the Gosselins have leached thier way into one more freebie! argh). is no one safe? ;)

Anonymous said...

I hope this article will help put an end to this circus. We as women need to get it together and stop watching shows like this. We are help fueling this madness. Yeah, I said it, WOMEN need to get it together. After all there is not a whole lot of men who have an interest in these types of shows. Most of men cannot stand Kate Gosselin, probably because she is a ball snatcher.

Dew said...

Even a dog is required to have an advocate on set to deal with unforseen situations that may come up. Things like a sweater costume and a 95 degree day. The Gosselin children have no one. No one. Well, they have their parents, you say. Think again.

The law has said time and time again that parents cannot adequately advocate for their children on set. That is why a set teacher is usually required to do it for them. Moreover, Jon and Kate are busy working during these episodes and can't look out for their children. You would not expect Will Smith, acting with his son Jayden in the movie The Pursuit of Happyness, to also advocate for him. Jayden was not denied a set teacher just because his dad was right there. And I'm sure Will Smith was not insulted when someone else helped to protect his child. He cannot keep track of the hours Jayden is allowed to work, the amount of schooling he is getting in, whether he is comfortable. He is busy working.

The Gosselins have proven over and over exactly what child advocates have insisted for ages--that children need a neutral party on set to protect them not just from the dangers of the set, hours, and production, but the very real dangers of the parents. Lest we forget parents hold most of the money. And the cards.

Lonnyswife said...

To Anon 6:24
No. The animal reference relates to how animals in movies,television and stage productions are afforded protections up the wazoo while the Gosselin kids have basically been throw in without a life preserver.

Anonymous said...

Thank goodness for advocates like Paul Petersen who continue to strive to do the right thing for these kids who aren't able to speak for themselves...despite what Kon has said about their kids 'wanting to continue in the family business'

ThreeFarmers said...

Well, I think it is notable that our letters are getting attention. I, along with many of you, wrote AMC this week after the Ghouled Housefreaking episode.

Bravo!

Dew said...

"despite what Kon has said about their kids 'wanting to continue in the family business'"

Their statements alone about the children's desires just proves why the Gosselin parents should not be calling all the shots when it comes to their children. I think Kate is lying about the children's desires, given how many times many of them have told the cameras to go away on the show itself. But even if she isn't lying, first, we have no idea how this question was presented to them. It could have easily been phrased as, do you want to sit in a smelly crowded daycare every day around other yucky pukey children and not go to Disneyworld anymore and not wear nice clothes ever again or eat organic cookies? Of course they would say no. Second, four year olds, even eight year olds, are not old enough to make decisions like this. You wouldn't ask a child that young to have the final say in whether you should take this job or that, whether the family should get a dog, where the family should go on vacation, whether they should go to school. That's what adults are for, to make these big decisions for little children. Otherwise what is the point of parents? Might as well be rooming with a bunch of other college frat brothers and go out bar hopping with your sextuplets rather than parent your offspring. Jon and Kate try to defend their actions with statements like that, and just end up looking all the more irresponsible and exploitive. Little People Big World parents said the same thing. The difference? Their children are almost all teenagers. Yes teenagers SHOULD have a say because they are old enough. 4 and 8 year olds? NOT old enough, Kon. Not by a long shot. Parent your kids and turn off the cameras.

Anonymous said...

I've been a long time supporter of this family but after watching last week's episode, I finally saw the greed. It would be one thing if they did this a few times a year. It's quite another when this is their life.

MidnightSun said...

I thought it was a good article, too. But the Kids By the Dozen episodes were repeats.

Anyhoo, I also think Kate is lying when she says the kids love this stuff. It's obvious that they don't - actions speak louder than words.

They may have thought it was fun at first, but you can tell it's not so anymore. The GH photo shoot episode spoke volumes just by watching how the kids behaved. It doesn't matter how Kate spun it.

Anonymous said...

I think Kon just buried themselves with this GH photo episode. I knew it would only be a matter of time before they would cross the line. Its like the time Kate put those 3 little girls through corn-rows for the cute look of it, even though it tortured them.

What about the people in charge at Good Housekeeping? How could they put the kids through wearing winter clothes in sweltering heat.

Jon was more concerned about GH's equipment not melting than the kids. Remember he made a big deal that he put a canopy out in the driveway for their stuff to protect from the heat?

Ilovemykids said...

Does anyone want to place bets on whether Paul Peterson has received some nasty communications from the Kate sheeples?

Christine said...

I haven't stopped writing the letters. For those that are concerned you have to write emails, letters whatever. For those that have written already, keep on! It is making a difference. I hope Paul Petersen keeps up his great work too.

Anonymous said...

I also think it is making a difference and if nothing else, putting pressure on Jon and Kate and awareness over the fact that people other than the SHEEPLES are watching Kon's every move.

lynn/anon1967 said...

Anon 5:14

That was just like Kate was more concerned about getting a good pic of Cara, rather than why she wasn't smiling in the pics.

Ruthe said...

I'm not a fan on unions, but I'm sure the camera and crew persons are unionized and have THEIR rights protected when they are working on site at the Gosselin home.

I look forward to the day when handsome little Aaden says to Kate, "Sorry Mom, that's not in my job description."

Anonymous said...

Cast, writers, director, and most crew on regular TV shows and movies are indeed unionized. However, independent small companies such as Figure 8 doing reality shows usually are not. They don't normally meet the industry guidelines to join.

Anonymous said...

MidnightSun said...
I thought it was a good article, too. But the Kids By the Dozen episodes were repeats.


And they feature a new family each week. I've only seen one family more than once... the one that got a puppy in their 2nd episode (can't remember their name). A one-off show like this is vastly different than a series. Bringing this one up he may as well take log of every single reality show that's ever featured a child. What about Wife Swap where the poor kids are forced to live with new rules and have their misery broadcast for all to see?

BUT I do agree that regulation is needed to protect any child being filmed for television.

TBH I think instead of directing letters to sponsors everyone should focus their attention on their local politicians. They're the ones who will make the change to laws, not Juicy Juice or Good Housekeeping. A politician in J&K's area may brush off the letter of someone from out-of-state but local politicians want to ensure you vote for them so they'll pay attention especially if you rally friends & family to send letters as well. At the very least you can affect change in your area and then help it spread.

Anonymous said...

Well, Jon and Kate really need to step back and realize what is going on (I think they are finally starting to understand that America is sick of them), but the only thing that will really make them understand is if WE ALL STOP WATCHING THE SHOW!! I know its easier said then done, I have been trying to stop for weeks lol, but last Monday I have vowed to stop.
Come on are we seriously suppose to enjoy watching them get their pictures taken for a magazine!!! Thats just lame! I dont know if anyone has thought of this yet (Im sure somebody has) but last Monday they were not only paid for the photoshoot they were also paid for the episode! They got paid double!!! Its just frustrating me that Jon and Kate honestly believe that America loves them!

Anonymous said...

I have never watched a full episode (10 minutes max) and never understood the fascination of watching this family, although I do love reading about this stuff. I do know several people that do watch it and they do take the show at face value.
It is sad when the parents cannot be the ones advocating for their own children and greed is more important.

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned the Roloffs. It is true that the Roloffs are also involved in a reality show. The cameras are with them possibly the same length of time as Jon & Kate Plus 8. The difference is that from time to time, the Roloff's children do not appear in an episode. I would think that Matt and Amy allow their children to decide to be in the episode or not. I can think of quite a few episodes where Molly is not seen or one of the twins. Matt's parents are also only seen from time to time.

Jon & Kate need to stand back and let their twins decide whether or not they want to be in an episode. Judging by their meltdowns and general disagreeableness, I would think that they would welcome the opportunity to not go on the trip to ________ (fill in the name). Jon & Kate could leave the twins home with Jenny.

Snow said...

I removed the show from my TIVO subscriptions. I only watched about three minutes of the last show before turning it off. I'm done. I tried to find an email link on TLC but I must have missed it. I wanted to write and tell them why I was no longer watching.

Anonymous said...

ilovemykids said... Does anyone want to place bets on whether Paul Peterson has received some nasty communications from the Kate sheeples?

http://www.minorcon.org/jon_kate2.html

When I started to read this Sept. 5th post from PP, I thought it was directed to the people who had been emailing him with their concerns about the show. By the time I got to end of the post, particularly with the last paragraph, I did think he was getting emails from people saying things like "why don't you leave them alone?"

Dew said...

"Cast, writers, director, and most crew on regular TV shows and movies are indeed unionized. However, independent small companies such as Figure 8 doing reality shows usually are not. They don't normally meet the industry guidelines to join."

Could be true, but at least they get a paycheck for their work on a regular basis. Maybe even benfits too. What's the difference between a child sitting at the Kon dining room table eating organic cereal and not getting paid, and the cameraman who films that child earing the cereal who IS getting paid? Not much.