Try To Remember (with compliments to the Fantastiks)

This is going to be a short post/poll. Please keep your responses short and to the point.

Jon and Kate say that their kids LOVE to travel. They are having so much fun traveling and seeing new places and people. I say that is BS. I don't think those sextuplets know where they are most of the time or why they are there. The twins might be a little "wiser," but that is probably why they appear to be unhappier. The twins know that they are being dragged hither, thither, and yon because of the sextuplets' existence. I did not get the impression at Disney World that the twins remembered anything from the first time they were there -- at the age of three. Do you think the sextuplets remember getting pumpkins or their Christmas tree at the age of 2? I doubt they've gone back and done it again.

Now, here is the question: How much/what do you remember from when you were 2 years old or 3 years old or 4 years old??? Are the Gosselins truly "making memories"? For whom?

85 comments:

Jim S said...

I remember the backyard pool that my parents refused to put more than a foot of water in. I remember going to the Worlds Fair in 1965 and getting a plastic dinosaur out of a machine..I also the remember the elevator of the hotel and the gross eggs.

It's weird what DOES stick with you but the memories they are making are, like mine, probably very random and scattered. Things will stand out, but of specific little things, not of entire trips.

Anonymous said...

I remember nothing from my life as 3- to 4-year-old. I wonder why that is since I moved at age 4 from England to the U.S. This was a huge move for my family. We flew on a plane for the first time; moved to a new country; stayed in a hotel, then a rented house; and I started at a new school. Yet, I have no recollection of these huge changes.

The first clear memory is at age 5 at a school carnival. I am not even sure if this is accurate since I wonder if I am recalling an actual memory or something I have seen in a photograph.

My true memories did not start untile I was 7 or 8 years old. From this period in my life I can remember how I felt about situations or even whole conversations I had with people.

My son and daughter both went to Disney when they were each 3. I have helped them remember these trips by receollecting several rides/experiences that they liked. I always tell each child their "favorite moment." I don't know how much of the Disney trip each remembers, but I know they always "remember" at least one thing.

Anonymous said...

I dont remember what I did when I was 3/4, but I did not have video of my experiences to watch and then say "Oh, I DO remember that!" I think these kids are lucky to have the pictures and video to look back on and say "Yeah...I do remember when we did..."

iluveeyore said...

I've decided to respond to my own question ;).

I started kindergarten at 4-1/2, so I remember my first day there and what the teacher said to me. I also remember hiding so I could help another little girl button her coat (we were supposed to do it ourselves). I guess I was a nice little kid. I remember a couple of very traumatic incidents that probably happened before I was 5 or 6. I remember little else....

Ilovemykids said...

My earliest memories of some vague ones of kindergarten - doing flashcards, art projects, that type of thing. I remember nothing prior to that.

FIONA said...

I remember my doll, Shrinking Violet, and wetting the bed!

My Daddy was so funny about draggin the sheet with his big toe!

I also remember vividly (bad memory) learning how to swim. My Dad kept moving away.

That is about it. Did I travel? I don't remember if I did.

I think the kids will remember the shocking things, like Colin and the gum, maybe Mommy crying on the plane....things like that.

I would be very surprised if the tups remembered skiing...but you have to keep in mind that they get to watch themselves on the DVD's so that will reinforce and help keep the memory fresh!

Anonymous said...

I remember in pre-school, at age 3 being given a template of my name to learn to write and thinking, "Man, that name is long. I will never write all of that!" (it's not long) I remember something about nap time. That's about it. I have great memories of my son at Disney World when he was 3. I enjoyed that tremendously. I knew at the time- that trip was for me more than him! He had fun, but I remember it much better!

Libby said...

Not a whole hell of a lot! I remember that my Grandpa died when I was 2 & 1/2 years old...that is it for that time period. Obviously it made a big impression on me. I remember nothing specific after that until I was around 4. My own kids only remember significant things from around 5. That being said I took my 13 year old and 9 year old on a two week trip to the east coast of Canada and they don't remember all of that trip.

discoball said...

My first memory is the day my younger brother was born. I was 4. Nothing before that and just hazy memories for the next few years after that. We took vacations and my father easily took thousands of pictures during those years. Even looking back at the photos I still don't remember experiencing the activity. Parades, beaches, trips, nothing.

K.C. said...

I traveled quite a bit as a child, (more than most adults). I remember NONE of it. Photographs are the only proof I have. I do have many, many random/scattered memories from birth to age 3 or 4, however; they are all of people, places or things that were constants in my life. I remember my parents, home, friends and family, one birthday party, my pets, my nanny, my dad's office, grandparents, preschool, etc.

Katie D said...

I vividly remember a vacation to Mt. Rushmore at nearly four which included giant slugs walking across the road (in MN), huge Mayflies, everyone getting sick and having to go to the laundry in the middle of the night to wash sleeping bags, my sweatpants went flying out the window when my brother rolled it down, etc. I also remember a trip to Michigan at 4 when my brother was less than a year old and we put him in a Tuff Tube on a blanket on the beach--like a makeshift playpen.

I think that there are definitely chances that they will remember things from their trips. I actually have lots of memories stretching back to two years old (I recently amazed my mom by basically drawing the layout of the house we moved out of when I was 2). Some are just little snippets, but they are there. I can't begrudge them for trying to give them good experiences.

Anonymous said...

I have no memories whatsoever of family trips taken at these ages. My mother has told me that we took numerous road trips out of state to spend weekends with relatives and friends. My mom also told me about a specific week long vacation we took to Holland, Michigan during the tulip festival when I was about four. As far as I am concerned, I was never there and it never happened because I do not remember it. I remember the first day of kindergarten because we had to take the yellow bus which pulled up on my street in the subdivision. This is vivid because it was so new for me at the time.

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate say that their kids LOVE to travel. They are having so much fun traveling and seeing new places and people. I say that is BS. I don't think those sextuplets know where they are most of the time or why they are there. The twins might be a little "wiser," but that is probably why they appear to be unhappier. The twins know that they are being dragged hither, thither, and yon because of the sextuplets' existence.

OK, I get that J&K are bad people for exploiting their kids' lives on TV, and I get that J&K are bad people for accepting free trips all over the country. I don't get why they're bad people for taking their kids on trips. When I was a kid my folks jetted off everywhere and left us kids home with some relative. I made up my mind that our kids would travel with us, and they have. Even if they don't remember 99% of it later in life, they'll have photos/film to remind them. And we will remember always the fun times we share as a family. Of all the bad effects the whole reality-show thing may have on those kids, getting to go to cool places (especially for the twins) is one of the few perks that might actually benefit them. Certainly if not for the freebies those kids wouldn't know there's a world outside their front yard.

Anonymous said...

I thought the same thing... I don't see what's wrong with taking them traveling. I'd love to take my 3 yr old to Disney, whether HE remembers it or not. It's unfortunate that these aren't "real" family trips, that they're all for the show, but they're still things they're doing as a "family" and I can't see any fault in that part of it.

avasmommy said...

This is a good topic. I like thinking back to my childhood. I actually remember a lot from when I was 3-5. When I was 3 I remember my brother coming home from the air force and he brought me this air force outfit. It was my third birthday. I remember that for my fourth birthday I had a ninja turtle theme and my aunt bought me this one piece jumper dress that had yellow and orange flowers on it. I remember when I was about 3, my babysitter picked me up and we went to the pool (one that no longer exists and until someone told me I had no idea where it even was) and we went to the Dairy Twist and I got one of those gummy candies that is in the shape of a sandwhich and even has the little gummy tomato and pickle. I remember when my mom taught me how to blow a bubble with gum. Those are some of my happy memories. But I also remember the bad, I remember having an earrache and having to go to the emergency room. I remember when my cousin had shingles and I got to visit her in the hospital. I remember going to the ice capades with chicken pox, and how much I hated this guy that worked for my dad. There are several other memories that stand out to me starting at this age, but I won't bore you with all of them. The point here is that I do have memories from this age (3-5 when they started). The more I think back on it the more I remember. I do however know that there are several things that I don't remember. I think that because there are so many children, and cameras around all the time, that it would be hard for the G kids not to remember some of the things they've experienced. Will they remember being taped while on the potty or throwing a fit? Probably not. Will they be reminded of it for the rest of their lives. Absolutely. And that is what is discerning. Although the tups may not remember going to pick out their Christmas tree when they are two, it is a family tradition that they will know and traditions are special. Not that I agree with nearly anything J&K do. I do not have a problem with them attempting to make memories with their children(only the manner in which they do it). Last year when my daughter was only 6 months old we took her to the pumpkin patch with us. It was something that I wanted to make a family tradition because I remember doing it as a child. She may not remember going those first couple of years, but it's just the fun of sharing a tradition with your kids. J&K take this to a whole new level, they create and make family traditions with a crew and an entire viewing audience. I think I'm talking in circles, and I'm getting dizzy. So I'll be done.

jkaz said...

Of course children won't remember much, if anything, of trips before the age of about 6 or 7. Does that mean they should just stay home? Kids live in the moment - they can enjoy Disney World/Land at age 3 or 4, even if they won't remember it as adults.

And admit it, those of us who traveled with our own kids when they were little - were we doing it for them, or for us? More often than not, I think we were doing it so WE could enjoy watching THEM enjoy themselves!

It's kind of like decorating a baby's nursery - it ain't for the baby!

Momof2 said...

I agree take the kids when they will remember it. The twins are at the right age to remember everything.

My kids love the show because they get to see all the cool places they get to go to, but mine are too young to realize, that this is not normal, maybe for the life of rich and famous.

These parents do not have their priorties straight. Its all about "look at us" we have these adorable cute tups, whats going to happen as they get older? IT is obvious Kate only likes babies. She will not get much attention when they get older like the twins. Gosh, she is so transparent and needs therapy badly. Those poor twins, and the tups when they get older. They need their mother's love at every age, not just when they are little and cute.

goldensglitter said...

I remember nothing from 3/4 years old. I do remember 1st day of school, I think 1st grade, not kindergarten. I cried my eyes out and remember I had a lunchbox. UI would have been 5 yrs. old. Back then, we had grades 1A and 1B, etc. I remember that, pretty much nothing before that. But then again, we did not do much back then with traveling, exotic things. Capt. Kangaroo/tv was the most exciting thing. Guess I had a pretty boring childhood.

Now that I think about it tho, I do remember my brother being born and being at Grandma's house for a week. I again cried and cried, and remember feeling lonely. When my Dad came and picked me up to bring me home, I remember looking at my baby brother in the crib and feeling resentful. I would have been 5 as well.

Anonymous said...

What I have learned is that you (the parents) travel for yourself, your the ones making memories of your children when they were little and you took them places. I have a now 21 year old and we took her on many vacations starting when she was 4 years old and she has little to no memory of most of them. What we have is FAMILY memories, really for my husband and I. The stories that we tell to her about this place and that, is part of our family history and we have photos that enhance our memories. Our daughter was good about traveling, she was an only child and was super portable and was up for adventures ranging from cold Canadian beaches, riding horses in the Canadian Rockies and the Irish countryside. We took her to the UK, at 6 years old , she asked if this "whole trip was gonna be about old dead people". I think travel is important, it gives you confidence (if your not afraid to try new things), her experiences have lead her to travel both in our country and live abroad for the summer this year. Travel for children under 8 or 9 is fine but your making memories for yourself, and when they grow up, you’ll be glad you did.

Ruthe said...

I remember sitting on the bottom stair with my father. I don't know why, but it was his favorite place to sit us down and tell us stories.

Pastorsgurl said...

I remember going to the fair when I was about 5 or so. I remember going to Galveston Beach when I was about 4. I remember just snippets not really anything. I remember a little of the years 9,10,11 and 12 but my real memories are after 16 or so. I'm 43 now and that is weird.

Anonymous said...

You can't chose what your kids will remember. Make LOTS of great moments and some will stick. Make lots of bad/stressful ones, and those are the ones they'll be stuck with.

Ruthe said...

Oh my gosh -- you've opened up the floodgates here.

I remember when I was five I was somewhere I wasn't supposed to be and fell on some glass and cut the palm of my hand to bits. My brother found me and took me home; next thing I remember being at the hospital with four orderlies trying to hold me down (what, no novocaine? I'm not THAT old)as they stitched up my hand - and my mom standing at my head whispering the Hail Mary into my ear. Wew found out later that he literally saved my life.

I remember at the age of 4 or 5 getting a swat on the arse with the back of a brush because I lied to my mother. I never lied to her again.

I remember all our animals. We always had either a dog or a cat or both at any given time when I was growing up. My older brothers always named the dogs Opey.

I remember going to Gram's every Sunday after church. I remember her being a miserable old dowager who sat in her rocker and didn't say a word to any of us.

lizalu said...

While I don't agree with all the J&K do, I do agree with exposing to children to different experiences. Travel can be a fantastic way to gain these experiences. My 3 kids (11, 8 & 4) have been on numerous trips. Do we take these trips b/c we belive they'll remember everything? No. We take them for the experiences they'll get from these trips at their current ages.

Last fall we took at 3 to Walt Disney World. They all had a great time. Oldest child at 11 got a different experience than she did was she was last there at the age of 7. Our youngest at 4 got the eyes wide open excitement from the trip that is precious to be able to watch a 4 year old experience.

For the same reason we have been getting a christmas tree and presents from Santa every year since they were all babies. Do we expect them to remember every Christmas from the time they were young babies? No part of the memories are for us and as the kids gets older their recollection of the day gets clearer.

Anonymous said...

So are you suggesting that they stay inside, not do anything, until the kids are old enough to "remember"? You seriously think picking pumpkins is detrimental to the kids' health? I might not remember specific things about my childhood, but I know we did fun things and I really enjoyed them. You don't have to remember what color shirt you were wearing that day to remember happiness.

Anonymous said...

Children do benefit from some travleing especially after around age 6 IMO. I've taken a two year olds to Disney World, but that was for her older cousin. She enjoyed Busch Gardens much more. But children don't need to be hauled somewhere special (day trip) or on a trip every week or two. They become used to thinking that life is going somewhere rather than entertaining themselves.

So I agree with taking children out, but not to what appears to me to be excess on the recent episodes of this show.

Anonymous said...

I hardly remember anything before the age of 5. I guess the kids will be able to have "memories" by watching the show...

Anonymous said...

I remember holding a candle at my brother's baptism. I was just a shade over 3 years old.

Anonymous said...

I can't recall anything prior to age 5.

The G's...'making memories' my butt! They're making money and using the 'memories' schtick to justify it! Pure BS

Anonymous said...

Quote: "OK, I get that J&K are bad people for exploiting their kids' lives on TV, and I get that J&K are bad people for accepting free trips all over the country. I don't get why they're bad people for taking their kids on trips."

The very fact that J & K are exploiting their children is the reason why they are 'jet setting' across the country. Whether or not the children are seeing the world and love to travel is irrelevant. The fact remains that most if not all, of these all expense paid travels are for the primary purpose of filming a reality tv show. Just because the children love to travel does not minimize the fact that they are being exploited!

Steph said...

I remember very little before I was 4 or 5. I remember moving, and I remember the house we rented. I remember trying to follow my brother to Kindergarten and couldn't imagine him being away from me. I remember crying at the snowmobile races when I was 3, because the noise was too loud. But 5 is really where my memory has more, and it is really only snapshots until 8 or so.
Oh, I do remember getting a wax ape at the zoo, but not the zoo.

Anonymous said...

I remember asking my Mom when I was about 30 if I slept in a bunk bed and if she had airplanes hanging from my ceiling when I was little, I had little memories of what I thought was bunkbed rails next to me. She told me that when I was a baby in the crib, I had an airplane mobile, that's my earliest memory.
After that, other than things I've seen on home movies, I think it was about K or first grade, being in a play, and going to summer school with the older kids, when I didn't have to. I think that's about the time I started retaining memories during special times.

Anonymous said...

SOme people mentioned that it wasn't a bad thing that they are traveling, and I agree with that, except for one point, the cameras being there.

former fan quinn said...

My first memory is from when I was 2 1/2. There was a huge blizzard where we lived and my dad came in from outside and he was covered in snow. Then when I was 3 and 4 I was in nursery school which I vaguely remember. My brother was born when I was four and I remember my mom going to the hospital that night. So just little tidbits from that age range. The toddler and preschool years are young ones! I don't think most people remember much from then. My child is two and we plan on taking her to Disneyland and places like that when she's closer to four. We don't think she'll get much out of it now. And she does travel occasionally but that's to visit family. I believe in kids having educational experiences for sure but my child learns a lot on typical days spent at home with me!

SmartyQ said...

I had scarlet fever when I was three. One of my two most vivid memories is of the doctor taking my temperature rectally, which sent me into hysterics. (Keep in mind this was the olden days when children didn't have check-ups or go to the doc for measles, etc. Also the docs then made house calls.)

They put a red 'Quarantine' sign on our house, and neighbors left groceries, games and toys. I remember nothing about the quarantine period. After I was cured, my parents were told to burn all of our games and toys, which they did. The bonfire is the second vivid memory. I hid my teddy bear and still have him.

Anonymous said...

I have memories of being in pre-school when I was 4. I remember more from when I was 5 and on.

April said...

It is not a bad thing for those parents to spend time with the kids picking out a Christmas tree, pick pumpkins, go to Disney, or anything else. What problem is that they are using those opportunities to make another episode! Personally, I HOPE that Hannah, Alexis, Leah, Collin, Aaden, an Joel have some nice memories. It will be a miracle if they come out of this as a family.

PKD-in-Illinois said...

Two things ... first, I have a very vague, whispy memory of a twisty slide that was just outside our back fence at the military base where my Dad was stationed ... a big bed I laid on ... these little bean bag "humpty dumpty" things on a radiator ... all those things happened when I was around two. So I do believe people can remember little bits and pieces.

However, a few years ago, I got out all my school photos and was scanning pictures of the teachers for another blogger who went to the same school ... and, to be quite honest with you guys ... I was a little PANICKED ... because there were teachers in there ... I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE. My mom assures me that "Mrs. So-and-So" really was my 6th grade teacher ... but I would say I've NEVER seen that woman before in my life.

I'm pretty sure I have brain damage from being dropped on my head at some point and Mom's just not TELLING me ...

On topic though ... I don't see anything wrong with them taking the babies to get pumpkins or Christmas trees or what have you. These are just things families do. There are photos and videos.

Will the Gosselin tups REMEMBER getting a tree when they were toddlers? Probably not ... but honestly, sometimes we parents are making memories for US ... just as much as we're making memories for them. :)

Sera said...

I have some memories of family camping trips and trips to amusement parks, but all of these memories are really only vague snapshots in my head, the details very blurry, and sometimes I'm not sure if I have the actual memory, or if I am really remembering stories and photos.

My 20 year old cousin's mother is a flight attendant and as a result, my cousin has been everywhere and anywhere. She barely remembers her trips from before the age of five, and sadly, travelling is no big deal to her at all - a trip to Hong Kong is just another thing to do on the weekend for her.

I fear that all these special experiences the Gosselin chidlren receive will become so mundane that they will never truly appreciate how lucky they've been to have these experiences because the majority of children will never get to go to Disney, ski in Utah, visit characters behind the scenes, pet zoo animals, or check out the sets of a play. I have never done any of those things and I am an adult! Any special experiences I have had, such as travelling to Europe three times, going to Hawaii, seeing my favourite bands in concert or meeting Brad Pitt, I have done on my own, with my own money, and with no help from anyone else, and I am grateful for all these experiences and never take them for granted.

Ravello said...

I have a few clear memories from Kindergarten, I was a young 5 when I started school.

I dont remember much of anything before then.

My husband says he can remember losing his mother temporarily at age 4.

I doubt the tups will have clear memories but they may grow up anxious and unsettled from all the family dysfunction. Alexis is already verbalizing being nervous. I worry especially about the boys who are growing up without a loving hands on mother. Joel and Colin have been emotionally abused on camera. They are routinely ignored by their mother.
Experiences build over the years and greatly impact adult personalities. Psychiatrist couches are full of people who had miserable childhoods.

I wish the KONS could wake up and smell the roses. They are ruining their kids lives with this stupid show.

Barbara in VA said...

I have only two distinct memories from before I was 5 years old -- one good and one painful.

llauren said...

If you're too young to remember, that's why pictures are taken and parents reminisce with their children. I'll give credit to that.

From all that I remember from that age, it was good things, so hopefully those trips do stand out as positive, happy things.

Anonymous said...

I remember lots of things, good and bad. I remember climbing the tree in our front yard, brushing the dog, having a tea party with my uncle (he poured beer in his tea cup), going to the spring and bottling water in milk jugs, and playing in a tent in my grandparents backyard. At the same time, I also remember when I was 3 and my parents got into a fight before we went to the grocery store and my dad said when we got home he wouldn't be there. I remember searching under the beds looking for him.

So yeah, I remember a lot of things. And I bet those kids will too. For all the "memories" Kate is constantly trying to make, chances are it won't be those things the kids will remember. It will be the everyday stuff, including the bad. Will the kids remember picking pumpkins or watching Kate melt down at the mess? Will they remember decorating cupcakes or the boys not getting theirs? The skiing or the horrific plane ride? Going to Crayola or mommy screaming like a banshee? For someone so keen on making memories, she sure goes out of her way to ensure they are all bad ones.

SoccerMomof3 said...

I remember quite a few things at the age of 4. But only a couple at age 3. I remember moving very clearly in my mind at the age of 3.

And the twins seemed to have enjoyed themsleves at Disney World and in Utah. They have breakdowns but so do all 7 year olds. It just depends on their temperment and personality. The little kids may not remember it when they get older but they seem to be enjoying it now.
Why can't we take the show for face value and move on.

madmommyinMD said...

I understand completely....

Those poor kids being dragged everywhere...man Jon and Kate are poor excuses of parents.

Anonymous said...

I don't remember any trips we went on before the age of six, and I vaguely remember the six year old trip. I do have little snippets of memory concerning kindergarten and the one time I fell head over heels down an entire flight of stairs when I was about three. Other than that - nada.

Let's face it - the "We're making memories" excuse from J&K is bunk. More like, "We're making money," if you ask me.

pokie said...

My twin and I used to climb down from our cribs, climb up the dresser, get hold of the talcum powder, and sprinkle it all over the wooden floor so we could skate on our knees. No matter where Mom hid the powder, we'd find it. We got our share of lickins but that never stopped us. Boy, we sure were brats. I remember it as if it were yesterday!

Anonymous said...

the kids wont have memories of these trips per say; however, when they watch all the footage of them, they will have resentment about J&K and their childhood. The show should be called "Jon and Kate, Pimping their Eight."

Anonymous said...

thanks to photos and videos my kids "remember" our trips to Europe.

They were four and five when we went.

They loved it. We loved it.

We've been on the go since they were born. They love to travel and I am always amazed at their perspective from places we have visited.

Anonymous said...

I have no memories from 3-4 year old travel and neither do my children.
However we do take vacations still.

Though I don't drag them from one thing to the next.
Too much of a good thing is a bad thing.

uneasy said...

I moved with my family from another country when I turned 4 - we sailed across the Atlantic, the only two things I remember from that trip is the cake the staff gave me for my fourth birthday, and being hit by my mother for dropping my fork at supper. Nothing else. Before that the memories I have are fleeting - the one day it snowed, being yelled at or hit by my mother, having to take a nap at the preschool I went to and lusting for the watering can they had there, falling in my grandparents house, and my grandfather trying to tease me out of crying.

L said...

Not much from 3-5ish:

*Two siblings being born
*Death of a grandparent
*First hard spanking, for hitting my sister in the eye so hard she had to go to the doctor
*One Christmas in church where we held candles
*Eureeka's Castle
*Shopping for a new crib with my dad
*Very unclear memories of Disneyworld at age 4. I remember the plane ride more than anything else!

No clear memories of field trips, visits to family, holidays, or anything like that. Just a general sense of being happy (sans getting punished, anyway) and a lot of pictures that don't jog my memory.

Anonymous said...

Mostly at that age, it's just a blur. I remember the things that were frightening to me, for instance. Just little clips. I sometimes wonder at the fact that I spend 365 days per year doing something....but what? Just random images...standing at the kitchen window waiting for my grandmother to come visit. Getting yelled at, mostly. First day of kindergarten because I was petrified. Where did all of the other days go?

alana said...

I have two memories of being a little younger than two; my sister is 12 mos. < than me & she was born:
My two oldest sisters "hung" me out of an upstairs window so I could touch the top of our cherry tree.
I was at the bedside of my dying grandmother. I could feel the blankets next to my face and my newborn sister was in a "carbead" beside me.

The Gosselin children's memories are intended strictly for the viewer's consumption. All of the children will look back on these days and whatever they remember of it will seem like a really bad dream.

It's too bad the producers don't get it that we, a huge part of the viewing audience and growing every day, would rather NOT watch the Gosselins make their nightmare memories.

I think Jon&Kate enjoy all the traveling, but only because they are ignorant and immature. They feel as though they somehow either missed this part of their childhoods or didn't get enough. Probably the latter, esp. Kate. She is a bottomless pit of needs and wants, just like a six year old.

Momof2 said...

Last episode Kate said something like,"if we don't travel and get out, what else would we do, just look at each other?"

What an attitude to have about your family. Why doesn't she spend some time teaching the 4 years olds their letters and counting to 10. The fact that they do not know those things yet is a direct reflection of parents not caring enough to sit down with them and teach them. Other families on TLC have more children and they home school them too!

Elizabeth said...

I do think their memory-making intentions are good, and that it's nice to expose kids to different experiences. I don't know how many traveling memories they will end up with, but I do think they will certainly have some memories of their parents. They will remember fearing a loved blankie being thrown away, the fighting and yelling, the rude comments, not being allowed to eat birthday cupcakes, the "disapperance" of Aunt Jodi and their cousins, and so on and so forth. And that's what we need to be worried about!

Surprisingly, I do remember quite a bit about my early childhood and I believe (and hope) that they will have some memories of the good things. But, dragging kids hither, thither, and yon on multiple stressful trips for the sake of making family memories seems unnecessary. Great memories can just as easily be made at home!

Anonymous said...

OK, I get that J&K are bad people for exploiting their kids' lives on TV, and I get that J&K are bad people for accepting free trips all over the country. I don't get why they're bad people for taking their kids on trips. When I was a kid my folks jetted off everywhere and left us kids home with some relative. I made up my mind that our kids would travel with us, and they have. Even if they don't remember 99% of it later in life, they'll have photos/film to remind them.

But the trips are not really for the children. They are for the television show. I guess the thread is gone from TWoP, but the first moment I noticed that was that they took a trip to the Washington Zoo, someone got sick in the car, it was raining buckets but Kate made Jon go for coffee. That trip never aired. They replaced it with another zoo trip (this one closer to home.) So they actually HAD to go on the second trip, and in fact Maddie even says this in her narration.
So which Zoo trip will they remember?

Anonymous said...

I remember certain things from when I was 2 or 3. I remember playing house with my Grandpa. Playing in straw in front of the grocery store my parents owned. I remember a cigarette ad cardboard lady that I talked to when I was two. Various images and places but not specific trips etc. I think the tups will remember certain things but I think Kate is making memories for herself. Something to remember when their children are older and not around her as much.

Travis said...

Okay, I am finally livid with Kate. The holier than thou, white trash done good, mentality is enough already. Yes, Kate, people who don't have material things thrown at them sit around the house and look at each other. I grew up in a middle class family who did not go on vacation because the finances (and parents' time off) were not there. They actually had to use their vacation when we were sick, etc. I was fortunate enough to marry a man who is wealthy and has a wealthier family that has afforded me opportunities I never dreamed about as a kid. That said, my personality has not changed one iota. I can't really say that about Kate. I also paid for my OWN college education (4 years - Corporate Communication) so don't even get me started with what these companies are thinking. OK, I'm done with my rant...

ThreeFarmers said...

I have exactly 1 memory from when I was about probably less than 2 years old. I was in a crib in my parents' room and I was standing there looking at them wondering when they were going to wake up and get me out.

They tell me I went to Florida when I was 3 or 4, but I don't remember any of it.

I have very vague memories of a trip to Colorado when I was about 7. All I remember was the adults trying to get me to eat fondu (it was about 1972) and I refused. The people we stayed with had a black cat and a big wheels.

I have clearer memories of trips taken after that one.

Ann said...

I asked my own kids what they remember about being 3 and 4 - since it hasn't been as long for them as for me. At the time we were living in Germany.

The oldest remembers a nice German man that talked to him in German. He also remembers the soft pretzels from the bakery down the street from our apartment. He doesn't remember England, France, Austria or any of the other places we went while living there.

The youngest remembers only the chocolate dipped strawberry her grand-ma bought her in Switzerland.

Nancy said...

Climbing out of my crib before I was 3.... blowing into a lily and being horrified that the pollen got blown onto the petals, age 3 or 4.... cutting my hair with round-tipped scissors at age 4...... the best train ride in the world, age 4, when I got to stay up ALL NIGHT.....the neighbor cat "Smoky", from probably age 3 or 4..... nearly drowning, age 4, and being rescued by my aunt.....many more memories but only of small things.

Born Survivor said...

I have tons of scattered memories from 3-5. One is days before my 4th bday and I'm sitting on the couch with my dad talking about my party. Another is 5 days before my brother was born my mom took me and my other bro to the zoo and we got lost. I remember when my dad took me to the hos. to see om and new bro we went to the wrong woman's room. I remember falling off a bike when I was 3. It's funny what kids remember cause I have no memory whatsover of first day of school or prek graduation or going to Ireland with my two cousins.

Tiffany Amber said...

I remember back clearly to at least age 4. I have a LOT of memories from that period. I am sure they are from that era because my dad died shortly before my fifth birthday, and these mostly involve my dad. Granted I may only remember them so strongly because he died. *shrugs*

My son remembers a lot from being 3 and 4-- visits with family, vacations, etc. He is 10 years old now. Maybe he won't remember in a few years though, but he does now.

Anonymous said...

This is such a great question! I remember a lot actually. I vividly remember and can place objects and people in my preschool class, age 4. I also remember small day trips my family took when I was young...I remember a trip to the zoo and can recall information.

4tolove said...

Beacuse of my husband's job, we lived in Europe for 5 years,starting when my kids were 3,5, & 8. We traveled extensively (budget travel--paid for with our own money) and had some great experiences.

My youngest (now 10) claims to remember even the earliest trips. I don't know if it is because we talk about our trips and look at our pictures all the time or because her young mind is still uncluttered from the stresses of life.

Whichever it is, in these actual moments, we had so much fun with our children and I wouldn't trade that time for anything.

That said, traveling with children can be stressful and you have to be flexible and be willing to cancel/change plans. I can't imagine having to travel with my kids and meet the expectations of a production crew and the fans of the show.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I feel a little like a freak now. I remember a LOT of stuff from 2 and up. There are things that I was told happened that I cant remember in the least. But, for the most part I remember as much as I remember any age 2-20. Seriously, am I mental or something?

Anonymous said...

It can't be predicted what one will remember. Sometimes weird things stick with you but big events can't be recalled at all. I can remember some things from very early childhood better than some things in high school.

My first memory is of climbing out of the crib at night to go into my parents' bed. I was a toddler and remember the crib was in the hallway. I remember climbing in their bed frequently for years. I have vivid memories of kindergarten as a 4 yr old. I have some memories at 5, etc. I don't think they are doing this for memories. They are doing it because the parents are greedy. A few trips for the kids are great. Dragging them all over for the sake of television is not!

Jennifer A. said...

I remember eating at the Walnut room with my aunt, mom and grandma when I was 3.
I remember some days of Early Childhood, from age 3 to 5. And going to the farm for the class trip each year.
I remember going to the Wisconsin Dells at 4 and being bored.
I remember my Big Wheel at 4.
I do remember things, but not everything. I know my kids do not remember everything we have done or places we have been but they did enjoy it while we were there.

KONspiracy said...

I remember digging for worms. I used to tell my mom that I wanted worm hair a worm body. I had 3 older brothers so I played in the dirt alot, ate mud. All the things these kids are deprived of. If one of the tups told J & K they wanted worm hair, they'd probably have to sleep in the basement with Alexis.

Lauren said...

Why can't parents take their young children on trips? I don't see your reasoning, honestly. Regardless that it's Kon.

Anonymous said...

I remember being potty-trained at age 2. As well as my cry-baby brother being born. Not much more than that, I guess those were impactful experiences, so they're the only memories I have from age 2. From age 3 and 4 I remember quite a bit. Another brother being born (I asked my mom "if he cries as much as Chris, can you leave him at the hospital?") I remember playing with my then BFF. I remember that my Gymnastics Coach called me "Champ Bear" because I wore CareBear sweats to class all the time.
I think the twins can and do remember things about their life before the sextuplets. And I think the sextuplets will remember certain impactful moments of their lives thus far. When they're 30, they'll be able to vaguely recall going skiing or meeting Elmo. But I thought they did the show to RECORD the memories so they wouldn't forget them. It's just to bad that when they watch the show as adults, they'll see a lot more than just happy memories and good times. They'll see the favoritism and the invasion of privacy. They'll see their Parents making fun of them. =(

Anonymous said...

I have vivid memories from when I was 3. We moved across the country two months before I turned 4. We rode the train. The only season I remember from when I was 3 was summer. I don't remember snow: so as faf as I know, all my earliest memories aren't from right after I turned 3. The houses in the midwest looked different from the houses on the west coast. I played with the girl who lived next door. I also remember riding the bus when I was very young. The bus we were in would pull up close to the bus in front of us. I thought the bus we were on was going to crash into the bus in front of us. I was too young to express my fears verbally. Twice while watching home movies of myself from when I lived in the midwest, I remembered things I hadn't thought of since I was 3.

Anonymous said...

In 1976 my parents took myself (age 4) and my older brother (age 10) to Flordia for vacation I remembered nothing from that trip until several years later (summer of 90 or 91) when I was standing on a beach in Milwaukee and looked out over the lake.It was that moment in time that all my memories came flooding back...my brother and uncle getting their toes snaped by crabs, going to Miracle Strip Amusement Park, sitting on my Aunt and Uncles living room floor eating crab, swimming in the Gulf of Mexico, etc. Yes, the tups will have some of these memories but they will most likely be forgotten until years later when something triggers those memories.

Anonymous said...

I remember my sister biting me when I was 3 because I was allowed out in the snow and she was not. I also ran away at 4 so I could go sledding, and I remember being jealous of my brother's ride-on firetruck at 4 during Christmas.

Anonymous said...

I remember a few things from that age. I think it's odd to criticize them for taking their children on trips. I think it's great they are doing that. The kids will remember it and they will have video, photos to aid with that. We've always traveled with our children and they love it. Even if they don't remember all of it, they love it at the time. We just flew cross country with our 4 month old. He won't remember it but, his older siblings will. Mady and Cara will certainly remember these trips and they can be done again later. Because you've gone once doesn't mean you can't go again. There's plenty to criticize with the G's but, this isn't one of those things. I applaud them for taking their kids on trips. It's a lot of work to take our five so I'm sure it's a lot for 8. It does make memories and instill a love of seeing things outside your own front porch.

Ruthe said...

"So are you suggesting that they stay inside, not do anything, until the kids are old enough to "remember"?"

I think the reasoning behind this topic might be that the G's take and make all of these trips just to take them because they're FREE. What is keeping Jon and Kate from saying "Hey, that sounds like fun for the twins, but can't we make that trip a few years down the road when all eight of them can enjoy it?" Hell, all they'd have to do is sign something which locks them in - and knowing Kate -- she'll want stuff like this in perpetuity.

Cripes, both TLC and the G's will benefit from something like that because the footage from that trip can be used in a special episode after the show's been cancelled and we've had the luxury of forgetting all about them.

Anonymous said...

more added to my 9:49 pm post... All of my memories from when I was 3 years old are about our house, next-door neighbors, relatives, bus, church. I have photographs of myself stading in front of local tourist attractions. I don't remember being at the tourist attractions. Weekend outings and any vacations people go on are for the benefit of the parents. I was always happiest at home. The younger that I was, the closer to home that I liked to stay. Vacations are outings aren't necessary for children: what is important is for parents to have a small enough number of children so that they have enough time to spend with each child.

Frequent Traveler said...

Let me start by saying I am not defending J&K. However, I traveled alot as a very young child and I remember a lot of things from that time. I remember at age 3 going to Ohio and meeting Yogi Bear at King's Island. I remember at age 4 going to Nashville and standing on the steps of the grand ole opry. And I remember at age 5 going to Disney for the first time and seeing the Luau at the Polynesian Village. I routinely amaze my grandmother by bringing up memories that even she has forgotten (it has been over 20 years) from these trips. Like the frogs in my uncle's bed in Disney, or the Polynesian dancers in the elevator. So yes, I think the sextuplets are getting a lot out of the trips.

anna said...

I remember being 2 1/2 and my older sister (who would have been 4 1/2) telling me to try and stick my finger down my throat to gag myself. Well, being 2, I threw up. We were in church so I threw-up all over my dress and my grandma had to take me out to get me cleaned up. I also remember my grandma bringing me the dress that I threw-up for Christmas two days before. The memories kind of seem like dreams to me know, but when I tell my parents about them, it's almost exactly like it happened and we don't talk about it much, nor is it on video, so what I remember are my own memories.

I also remember my first trip to Disney at age 4 1/2 and wanting the "Treasure" Cat stuffed animal from Alice in Wonderland. My parents had no idea what I was talking about and I remember being very frustrated that they didn't understand what I was talking about. When I finally found him they let me know that he wasn't the "Treasure" Cat, but the Cheshire Cat. At 4 I didn't understand the difference, they sounded the same to me! I can remember most of this trip because my dad video taped most of it, but the "Treasure Cat" part is no where on video, so it's my own memory as well.

Anonymous said...

I actually remember tons of things from age 2-5 and beyond. Not everything of course, but I could list probably 30-40 separate memories of those years...maybe more. I guess every child is different. That being said, my "favorite" memories are ones of everyday life, not nessasrily of the vacations we took; although, I do remember them as well. If the Gosselins are remembering these years, I'm afraid their memories will be of constantly being under stress not to dirty their clothes and to race off to the next staged event.

Moons in Leo said...

I can actually remember being in a baby carriage. My memory goes waaay back.

I don't remember every single incident, but certainly the big ticket items like circuses, trips to the zoo, etc.

Katie D said...

Anon. 8:32 Said: "Wow, I feel a little like a freak now. I remember a LOT of stuff from 2 and up. There are things that I was told happened that I cant remember in the least. But, for the most part I remember as much as I remember any age 2-20. Seriously, am I mental or something?"

Ha, I felt like this too. Sometimes people are surprised by how much I *do* remember from such a young age. But I would point out that memory is a tricky thing (and I guess, by proxy, so is this question). The tups won't remember everything but it is possible for them to remember it. Besides, while I have great memories going back to 2 years, when I was 17 we took a trip through the western states. My brother swears that we went to Mt. Rushmore and both my aunt and I would swear we didn't. Memory is tricky, and even though I don't remember everything, I remember some things and I appreciate those experiences I do remember.

I think the experiences they do have are good. My parents made sure that even though we had very little money growing up we always went on trips, small day trips and at least one longer trip a year. I think we benefitted from the "family together time" and I think the G's (even the tups, at 4) will benefit from it. This is one area I agree with Kate (they are few and far between). When I was young, a lot of times my parents went out for the same reason, because if we didn't we would just sit around and argue, get in each other's way, and generally fight (there were only 4 kids in my family). Getting out and doing something--even if it is just going to a park and having a picnic--kept us from being bored and causing trouble (like pulling down the gutters with Batman utility belts).

lulubae said...

I traveled with my parents since I was a baby. My earliest memories are from when I had just turned 3 and they took me to Magic Kingdom. Of course I don't remember every single detail but I remember particular things I did with my parents and I know how much fun I had.

Anonymous said...

I remember a lot from my early childhood. I remember my neighbour throwing me in the lake while I was fully dressed, I remember my first day of Kindergarten, I remember building a fort in the woods with my brothers and cousins when I was three, and how we had a pizza supper inside it.

But even if I remembered none of that, that does not mean that I didn't enjoy it at the time, or that it didn't contribute to the person I was later in life.

I don't think the likelihood of forgetting something should be an excuse not to do it or experience it. By that argument, you might as well say that you shouldn't bother taking your two-year-old to play at the park, because she won't remember it when she's twenty. Or why bother playing Candyland today with your three-year-old when five years from now he won't recall who won or lost? What's the point of taking your four-year-old to a museum if he won't remember every single fact about dinosaurs he heard by tomorrow?

You do those things because your child enjoys them and learns from them *now*; you don't deprive them of experiences because their memories aren't well enough developed to have every single moment imprinted permanently in their minds.

Are the Gosselins going a bit overboard on the vacations? Maybe. But most of the kids seem to genuinely enjoy them, and they're certainly learning bits and pieces from them as well. I would be very much surprised if the kids would consider going hither, thither, and yon to be a negative part of their upbringing.

I think it's a shame that all their experiences have to be broadcast on television, but I actually think the fact that they get to have such varied and exciting experiences and excursions is the one positive thing to come from the show. Kids may not need to travel and go places, and heck, most of the time they can't... but if they can, I think it's a fabulous thing.