"Three things cannot be hidden, the sun, the moon and the truth."~Buddha

Posted by Penn Mommy on her blog:

Part 1

For months now, I have weighed my decision to come forth with my opinion and knowledge pertaining to the "stars" of Jon and Kate Plus 8. I've read quite a bit of information that has been posted about them: to be sure, some of it is false or likely false. Whenever you have a situation in which "reality television" is involved, you will get naysayers and cynics who strike just to strike. I don't defend or support that. No buts! I will say, however, that I was shocked by the number of people who have pegged certain things appropriately and/or come out with honest criticism of the Gosselins. Most notably, of course, is Aunt Jodi.

To read the rest of this amazing story, please go to In Support of the Truth.

162 comments:

Paula said...

Oh, my goodness. Just more proof of what we've come to believe and know about Jon and Kate. Oh, my goodness, my heart goes out to the Gosselin children. I was so lucky to have a mother and father that put their children's needs first and who loved us unconditionally.

AmandaT said...

Wow, I'm glad that people are starting to speak out more. I am certain that this woman is going to start getting hang-up calls and poorly written e-mails complete with varying tenses. And yet, so nice for more people to support Jodi and others who have really been hurt by the whole circus.

Nadia said...

Wow Thank you so much for sharing this, it filled in a lot of the gaps of information for me.

From all reports that I have read about Jon's father he sounds like an amazing man. I really wonder how he really felt about Kate.

I can not even wrap my head around treating people that horably. People who were giving of there time, money, talents, and sacrificing there own family time in order to do it.

I had some help when my twins were born, because they were in a hospital four hours from where I lived, I stayed with my husbands aunt and uncle who live in that city, and everyday they drove me too and from the hospital. FOR A MONTH! I also had a lady that came in for 2 hours mon-fri everyday to help with one feed and watch the kids well I took a shower, or did some house cleaning. I cry everytime I think about them. Words can never say how grateful I am for there help, and everyday I stuggle with what I can do to repay there kindness, in my mind nothing seems to be enough.

Kate is unbelivable!!!!

lovemyboys said...

Is this Julie, finally starting a blog of her own? Just wondering, because some of the things she's saying sound like it's a "family" member. For instance, she says she was "there" when Kon found out they were having tups. Who else would have been that close?

Anonymous said...

Wow, just wow. The cookie is really starting to crumble for them now. Please encourage more and more of those "in the know" to come forward and shut this farse of a show down for good.

Anonymous said...

I read under the "sighting" that someone named etownmom was supposed to be coming forward. Is this etownmom or do we have someone else to look forward to?

Nadia said...

lovemyboys said...
Is this Julie, finally starting a blog of her own? Just wondering, because some of the things she's saying sound like it's a "family" member. For instance, she says she was "there" when Kon found out they were having tups. Who else would have been that close?

9/03/2008 7:58 AM


Isn't Julies blog already clear? I am not sure what you meant by this. It is my understanding that Julie gets alot of her information from Jodi, she does not live near J$K. Julie please correct me I wrong with any of this info. I think that this is yet another person that has been hurt by KON. I am sure that there is a list of people a mile long that have been hurt by these people. Sucked in my their tales of woe. I honestly thought after reading this that it was someone else in the family. Maybe one of Kates other sisters.

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for writing this. As someone who was there and who has actually seen, experienced, heard and felt it all, in all its bizarre-ness, and come out the other end of what will surely be noted in history as one of the most longrunning family scams of all time, I thank you. No, Kate would never be gracious, I don't think she has a gracious bone in her body. But they should be selfless enough not to say or do the things you've mentioned. Wow! I hope they read this and realize that their jig is up.

Anonymous said...

I am glad you spoke out also. I had Kate pegged correctly from the very first time I saw the show. What a witch!

Carolina said...

I believe this, and it makes me sad to know just how nasty people will be when they read it.

Thanks for having the courage to speak truthfully about both the good and bad of the Gosselins.

Anonymous said...

Hehehe! Just for fun, were any of you aware of the "Wayback Machine" (Internet Archive)? I figured J&K's website would be interesting to look up. And it goes all the way back to 2004. I myself haven't been through it yet. But, have fun!

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sixgosselins.com

Lonnyswife said...

All I can say is WOW!
Penn Mommy has certainly addressed issues we were only able to assume about.
I don't even know what to say other than thank you for finding the courage to post, and thank you for whomever found Penn Mommys blog and bringing it to the rest of our attentions.
IMO, the low self-seteem issues Kate has are numerous. She feels most people are beneath her, so why thank them for anything? How many of us with children used mis-matched baby furniture and USED baby clothing and were thankful to have it?? I think our concerns were having a bed for our baby and keeping the baby warm. Not how it would look to the outside world. I fear a time when it's no longer champagne tastes on a champagne budget, but more realistically champagne tastes on a beer budget. Do you think they will go quietly? Me neither.
I want to put in my two cents and say thank you to all the friends, family and others who voluteered to help these kids get thru that first little bit. You guys should all be proud of yourselves and to hell what K&J say or don't say about you. You are the ones who made a difference in those kids lives. And to Jon & Kate?
Karma's a Bitch.

Anonymous said...

Is this Julie, finally starting a blog of her own? Just wondering, because some of the things she's saying sound like it's a "family" member. For instance, she says she was "there" when Kon found out they were having tups. Who else would have been that close?>>>

Do you mean Jodi? Well, the person said they were "done" after the yogurt incident and she wasn't done until recently. Could have been another relative. A sister we never saw on the show maybe?

Anonymous said...

We're a military family and I'm having my 4th and last baby. Right now I am digging up old clothing we have that my other kids have worn to recycle for the baby. Yes, we buy a few cute new things as well, but 90% of what we use will be hand me downs. We also shop thrift stores. Kon should be ashamed for looking gift horses in the mouth..but you know they are not. Also, my last was a preemie and while we traveled back and forth to the NICU his squadron came together and gave us free meals at home for weeks even after she was back home. People need to appreciate help, not turn up their noses at it. I really do loathe those two...

mom04.5 said...

Wow! I had to read your posts 2 or three times because there is so much information and I can tell by reading it that you are not happy about showing Kate's dirt. I say dirt because It's ironic that someone so obsessed with cleanliness has such dirtiness,filth and ugliness coming out of her.It makes my heart hurt to hear how all the people who helped her are thought of.I'm so glad to know more people in your "cirle are seeing the light"good luck and good love to all of you.

Anonymous said...

Wow. What a shame. On J&K's arhcived page from Nov 28, 2004 it says they are praying as Jon's dad prepares for a heart transplant. Then on the archived page from Jan 31 2005, it says how he passed away on the 13th of that same month.

I wonder if he ever had the transplant? Or if he passed before he could get it. It's such a shame. He seemed like such a nice guy from what we've heard from those who knew him.

Anonymous said...

I'm wondering if it's Beth.

Anonymous said...

That memoriam on the archived J&K site coincides with what Penn Mommy said in her blog. About how they couldn't just post a memorial to Jon's dad without also asking for stuff on the same page. Sad.

Nadia said...

Anonymous said...
Is this Julie, finally starting a blog of her own? Just wondering, because some of the things she's saying sound like it's a "family" member. For instance, she says she was "there" when Kon found out they were having tups. Who else would have been that close?>>>

Do you mean Jodi? Well, the person said they were "done" after the yogurt incident and she wasn't done until recently. Could have been another relative. A sister we never saw on the show maybe?

9/03/2008 8:34 AM

For me there are a number of clues that let us know that this is not Jodi.

1 This person said that they just returned from work when they got the phone call from one of Kate's goons. It is my understanding that Jodi is a SAHM, that is one of the reasons that she was able to help Kate so much.

2 Jodi never said that she would stop helping. She was kicked out by Kate.

I think that you are right, I think that it is another family member. Sadly I think that this person will be harassed by J$K's hit men, or by them. Because of the details given by the writer, it would not be hard for J$K to figure it out.

Anonymous said...

I had a friend once who flipped out on me over eating something. I was visiting her in France, she's French, and her mom invited me to come with them on vacation. So while there, she was being very petty and so I tested her loyalty to me and took something on purpose to see her reaction. I was so hurt by the way she treated me from eating a "yogurt" as well so I just up and left. I called another friend I knew that was also living there and I went and stayed with his family for the remainder of my trip. I didn't talk this friend for many years because of what happened. I wrote her a letter saying that I was done being her friend . Well, now that many years have passed, we are friends again. She has always been somewhat odd, personality-wise, so it was easy to forgive her since she lives far away and time heals all after a while. Just reading this just reminds me of how selfish, hurtful and spiteful the incident was and it was over a piece of food. My friend has been in psycho therapy for years so I know how hard it's been for her mother. I have a feeling that Kate may very well be a lot like my friend. Not a nice person to be around at all when they are at their worst. Kate definitely has a personality disorder because normal people don't behave in that way - nor do true Christians.

Anonymous said...

What an amazing story. I looked on the website that was given above with the archive of the gosselin's website and I found what this person was talking about when they talked about Jon's dad's death. It's just so sad.

Here's the quote:

"January 20, 2005

My father passed away on January 13, 2005 at 7:41pm. We love him very much and we pray that Jesus will take care of him. Kate and I pray for a strong marriage that through all this stress our relationship stays intact. We pray that others may see how difficult our lives are right now and that we are trully thankful for everything our church has done for us. We pray that Mady and Cara continue to be strong and loving through this time of need and stress. We ask the Lord that we have faith in him and we rely on him to provide for us spiritually and financially.

We ask others to please pray for us as we go through terrible financial and family hardships. It is hard to let people into our personal lives but we are praying that people could walk in our shoes for one day and understand that God has given us these children and we are responsible to raise them the best we can. Please pray that Kate and I can do this with help of all our awesome volunteers that God has provided us. Amen.

Jonathan and Kate Gosselin"

Anonymous said...

I know it has to be a struggle for anyone close to this situation to make themselves vulnerable and post the truth. The more people that do it only has to help the people thinking about doing it.
It just amazes me that Kate has no more compassion than she does. I would think I would so appreciative of these helpers that I would be in tears half the time. I have always believed that a lot of what was posted on this site was true, but when you hear the entire story posted by an insider it just sort of makes you dumb founed.
Well, for what it is worth I am glad you took the time away from your family to help someone else and please don't judge all people that need help, most are not like Kate and Jon. And yes, Jon is included he could have put his foot down anytime.

Nancy said...

"For instance, she says she was "there" when Kon found out they were having tups. Who else would have been that close?"

As soon as J&K found out, Jon went to church and told everybody about it so they could "start praying". This was on the Gosselins' website. Obviously Penn Mommy is a member of J&K's old church and was "there" when Jon made his announcement.
Bless her heart for coming forward.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like Jon was not only mourning his father but the source of his income.

Anonymous said...

I say dirt because It's ironic that someone so obsessed with cleanliness has such dirtiness,filth and ugliness coming out of her.

Lady Macbeth, anyone?

Onomatopoeia said...

The late, great Fred Astaire once said "The hardest job kids face today is learning good manners without seeing any."

If this is any indication, those poor children will grow up just like Mommy and Daddy...

Anonymous said...

I am at a loss for words... I am more disturbed than ever before by the attitude and actions of Jon and Kate. There are no excuses for their behaviors. Thank you Penn Mommy for having the courage to share your story.

Anonymous said...

Thank you to the author of this article and I'm sorry for what you've had to experience.

All I can say is, "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND JON AND KATE" -you'll pay for your greed and from the looks of things, it WILL be in the near future! Maybe that's why you're running away to NC?!

Anonymous said...

As a native son of North Carolina, I cannot express just how disgusted I am at the thought that this freak show is pulling up roots and transplanting to MY home.

I really hope their editors keep up the [not so] good work, because the Department of Social Services will be getting a lot of phone calls depending on what we see on TV.

To John and Kate, from the great state of North Carolina, you are NOT welcome here.

FIONA said...

I really appreciate this person sharing the truth about Jon and Kate....but it all just makes me sad. This family is going to implode.

Moons in Leo said...

Yesterday I sent an e-mail to Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell asking him to investigate the situation in his own state regarding the Gosselin children's exploitation on 'reality TV.'

I have not heard back from him, but am hopeful he will direct my concern to the proper authority.

I am vaguely hopeful that a representative of the Commonwealth might introduce legislation to provide protection to children like the Gosselins.

I would hope that residents of Pennsylvania would attempt to show cause to the Commonwealth's government why these children, and others like them, need to be afforded protection under the law.

Anonymous said...

Well..the more that people come forward, the sooner the cookie will be totally crumbled, as it should be.
This trying to dupe the public is just sickening. It could happen more in the P.T. Barnum days, but with the Internet, you get caught!
People can also go to the Enquirer site and look for the place where you send them a tip. Keep in mind, that even if it's NOT a tip, you can just send them a comment on there. I just suggested that they do a follow up to their previous story on the Gosselins. You don't even have to leave any of your own info. Just click send.

Ettie said...

As curious as I am to find out who penn mommy is, I think we have to give her the privacy she asked for. It's got to be very difficult to come forward as she did and we owe her that respect.

Anonymous said...

I think its either a church member or a relative, probably of kates.

Not that it matters, there is absolutely nothing in there that is shocking or doesn't back up what this site has been saying since day 1.

They exploit their children for gain and for trade. They use up everyone around them and then slam the door. Eventually everyone around those children will be ones that profit from it.

Anonymous said...

You know, I don't even care about Jon and Kate anymore. I can't even watch the TV show anymore. My heart just aches for those kids. The more these close family friends confirm the truth the more I feel badly for the children. In my humble opinion, Kate sounds so much like my mother who suffers from Borderline Personality Disorder. If Kate does in fact have this condition as well, I worry for the kids when the cameras finally turn off for good. Then, there will be no one left to witness for them. All we can do is just pray for those children. Hopefully, all these same family friends will be around for the kids when the cameras do go off and help them through what will be a really painful time!! God Bless those children!!!!!!

W&MGrad said...

Could this be Karla?

sis said...

PennMommy,

Thank you. We have all seen what happens when an "insider" tells the truth (or "evil" as J&K claim).

Be sure to post Jon's "They do the best I can" follow-up e-mail, OK? Hopefully you will be left alone, because, of course, they don't read any of this stuff (my a**).

One of the sad things about this truth telling is that the Gosselin worshipers see it as a rallying cry to write poorly worded posts telling everyone else to "get a life...don't watch the show, then!...They are GREAT parents...", you get the idea.

Time, of course, will bring it all into focus. Unfortunately,those 8 souls don't have time. It has to stop now, and blogs like yours and this one are striving to give those children their childhoods back (along with many other things, such as privacy, family,etc.).

Some criticize for picking them apart, but this is how a constructive argument is made: drawing attention to inconsistencies, lies, bad behavior,testimony from people like you who have been there to witness it all, and through eyes not tainted by the good looks and manipulation of J&K.

Keep strong. Some people refuse to take off the blinders, regardless of the evidence.

Hugabug said...

While this clarifies a lot, I must say that there is little surprising about it. maybe the extent to which Jon and Kate were financially secure at this time and calculatingly presented themselves and their "struggles."

What really comes through the statements by Penn Mommy and Jodi is how incredibly hurt they both are by what happened with Kate. Penn mommy and Jodi, I'm very sorry that this happened to you.

5monkeys said...

PennMommy's blog is eye-opening, and provides further information on the "real" Jon & Kate.

I have never heard of more ungrateful, selfish, and greedy people in my life.

Denying a bag full of new "Wal-Mart" clothes is mind boggling. While I do feel that the quality of their clothes isn't the best, I would personally never turn it down if I was lucky to be on the receiving end of free clothes.

Anonymous said...

Something that is really interesting to me is that we all have a Kate or two in our lives, whether it is a family member, a work colleage or an acquaintance/friend. And people like Kate function in the world and kind of twist things to their advantage at the expense of others, yet they never get called on it. In some ways, so many women (and I think most of us posting here are women) who are so in tune and have so much intuition about what Kate is really like, are able to speak out about Kate - when we aren't really able to speak out about the Kates in our lives.

I am currently working on a book about competition between women in the workplace. There are already books out there and it is kind of sad to see how women really treat each other (yet it isn't out in the open as much as it should be). I am hoping that things will change and women will support each other more in the future, and not backstab each other. Kate having her minion call someone's home about an inexpensive food item missing, is the ultimate in ungratefulness and backstabbing.

hate to say it Kate, but in my opinion, you are the poster child now for unacceptable behavior and I hope we can all learn from what we read here and apply it in our own lives - even if that means confronting the Kates in our lives - it is better to bring injustice to light versus ignore it.

Barbara said...

WOW! Just WOW! We have all been wanting to hear from someone who was there and had seen first hand what it was like and now we have. I hope she will not be harassed now like BK was. WOW!

annabandana said...

sis said...Be sure to post Jon's "They do the best I can" follow-up e-mail, OK?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm sorry if this has been gone over already (I try to keep up with every single post) but I don't recall hearing about this.

I'd love to hear it if anyone cares to share :-)

Anonymous said...

The more people who come forward, the more credence can be attributed to the claims. Dismissing Jodi as a disgruntled or jealous or "evil" (lol) family member is easy. Dismissing dozens of people who have first-hand experience is not so easy (well, for everyone but Jon and Kate). It's why interventions work so well. When everyone around you is telling you there's a problem, it's hard to deny that.

Good for you for coming forward, PennMommy! And there's no shame in giving--even if it is to ingrates.

Jon and Kate ought to be ashamed of themselves. They have behaved very badly. Not a sound, Kate! I better not even hear you breathe! (Unless, of course, it's to say, "Sorry," or "Thank you," to these poor people who have gone out of their way to help you.)

Anonymous said...

anon 12:03 said...Jon uses the word financial twice. I lost my Mother last year. Never in my tribute to her did I mention the word financial. Sorry you don't agree with my opinion, but it sounds like Jon stuck in a little extra plug for a handout hoping sympathy would kick it up a notch.

:::::::::::
I wholeheartedly agree with you! When my dad passed away it was so difficult for all of us. All I wanted to do was to talk about him and tell people what a wonderful man he was.
If I'd had a site like that of J&K at the time, it would have been filled with the wonderful memories and loving remembrances of my dad.

I don't think we're alone in our opinions.

Anonymous said...

Thank you PennMom, for speaking the truth and confirming what many of us have long suspected.
To the people who are worried about the twins reading this one day. They live this 24/7. Pennmom has not told us anything more than what the twins probably see on a daily basis. They probably see worse than what we see on tv.
As for reading bad things about their mom. They know how their mom is first hand. Pennmom's by speaking out is advocating for the children. I would be more embarrased if I were one of the twins to see myself have a meltdown on television. Most people have a private self and a public self. I dont know of any child who would want their teacher to know all their personal business. These children are being
robbed of their right to have a private identity and that is truly sad. Good job Pennmom. I hope this circus will get off the air.

Anonymous said...

This is who it is:

"On my way out to pick up a donation from another church member"

K.C. said...

Anonymous said...
anon 12:03 said...Jon uses the word financial twice. I lost my Mother last year. Never in my tribute to her did I mention the word financial. Sorry you don't agree with my opinion, but it sounds like Jon stuck in a little extra plug for a handout hoping sympathy would kick it up a notch.

:::::::::::
I wholeheartedly agree with you! When my dad passed away it was so difficult for all of us. All I wanted to do was to talk about him and tell people what a wonderful man he was.
If I'd had a site like that of J&K at the time, it would have been filled with the wonderful memories and loving remembrances of my dad.

I don't think we're alone in our opinions.

__________________________________

No, you are not alone. I agree with you both 100%! I love, love, love my father more than anything in the whole world. I have had several nightmares about him dying in my lifetime. (Luckily he is still living.) NEVER have any of those nightmares had anything to do with money. As I read the negative comment directed to you, I kept thinking that poster must have misunderstood.

Barbara in VA, (I think?) wrote to Dr. Phil and asked others to do the same. Well, I went to drphil.com and wrote to him under the 'Know a Guest?' link last night. I'll post any reply received.

babyaby said...

okay..finding out that they got so much help after just having the twins definitely supports my feelings that they took a gamble, purposely, on having multiples because they could see the $$$. I'm not saying she set out to have 6, but I do think they were hoping for more than one..knowing the "prayer" (I.e. financial) support they would get. I always go back to Kate's mothers comment about Kate always wanting twins, etc. I live in their town, and really, no one here gives at rat's A** about them...that is what makes their cruel yard sign so funny. I drive by their housing development mulitiple times a week and have never ever seen anyone stopping, or even driving by their home...its so upsetting, when there are foster and adoptive parents truly helping kids with no support at all..and these two freeloaders get everything handed to them.

ThreeFarmers said...

Again I'm being sincere and just wondering why you felt the need because there's certainly already enough information out there about them, why add more?

Because there is strength in numbers. There is lots of speculation going on. I find it refreshing that someone is willing to put so much time and effort into posting all that information that they know to be true, rather than most of us who speculate in an effort to understand.

That blog (the whole thing, not just the single entry above) took a lot of time to write and it is written well, not just a bunch of irrational ramblings.

Also, I'm bothered by so many people who want to know who PennMommy is. I doubt that it was anyone we knew from the show. She wants to remain anonymous for now, so let her. She shouldn't feel pressured to reveal anything about her identity. What's the big deal? It's probably not someone we know anyway.

Anonymous said...

Get Real! You do not ask God for financial help when you are praying about the death of your father. If Jon's father was supporting them and they silently ask for financial help, why in the world would you be stupid or greedy enough to print it on a home page of a web site. I am telling you they are not very bright but they are sly like a fox!

Sue said...

With regard to those who worry about what the twins will think when/if they read this one day: I am one of 8 (all singles no multiples) and my Mom bears a striking resemblence to Kate's behavior. My Mom was also a nurse,control freak who wanted us to look perfect at all times etc... It's all in the image! As an adult, if I read a blog of this type about my Mom, it would be very validating for me. Children are confused by this behavior. Somewhere in their heart the twins know that this Kate's behavior is wrong. This is their role model, the person who is supposed to be their everything. Kids don't think of their Mother and Father as flawed. At some point they catch on. I believe that Cara and Mady are at this point. They just don't know what to do about it. Nor do they have any power to communicate their confusion. They need a trusted adult to listen to them. So what did Jon and Kate do?? They cut Jodi and Beth and all the adults these kids can count on right out of their lives. When I watch each episode, it all seems so lonely to me. Especially on the 4th of July. I think Cara and Mady are lonely.

Barbara in VA said...

Good luck. I didn't receive anything back from writing to the Dr. Phil staff.

Penn Mom should be allowed her privacy and I'm sure although we are all interested in her and thankful to her for coming forward we all wish her the best.

Anonymous said...

I disagree that this might not one day help those kids. Unless you've grown up in a dysfunctional family and had to question your sanity when your crazy mother says, "That never happened," you might not understand how validating it might be to have other adults really see what's happening and say it out loud.

There is an elephant in that house the size of Texas. And it's Kate's mental health/behavior. Some choose to tip toe around it (Jon, Cara) and others will choose to poke it with a stick (Mady). But having other people point it out and discuss it will not be anything new or shocking to those children, I guarantee. They may end up defending it from behind their denial, but more than likely it will help them in their healing process to know that it was. not. their. fault. The parents were the crazy ones and they dealt the best they could. But they are NOT the crazy ones here.

I'm extremely happy people are speaking out. Get this family to a bottom as fast as possible and let the healing process begin!

Anonymous said...

"Again I'm being sincere and just wondering why you felt the need because there's certainly already enough information out there about them, why add more?"

IMO, the more information revealed about these two child exploiting scam artists the less businesses, individuals, churches, et will feel the need to sympathize and support their 'cause'. J & K are true modern day shysters that use their religion as a platform for personal and monetary gain. What a wicked web we weave !

mlou said...

Penn Mommy,

Thank you for coming forward. I am so sorry for the treatment you and others received. There are cruel people in this world, all we can do is live with them the best we know how. I was raised that God knows what is in our heart when we give, whether it be a little or alot. All he cares about is that it is genuine. I believe the work that you and others did will be appreciated by God, if noone else.
Jon & Kate will be the ones who have to answer for their deeds. Thanks again for sharing your story.

mlou

Barbara in VA said...

Sure, they are lonely. Kon is totally isolating these kids as much as they legally can, I think, insofar them interacting with outside forces. Mady & Cara are to Kon both loose cannons because they have to go to school and that is somewhat out of Kon's control while they are at school in that Kon can not monitor who they speak to and what they hear and say. But the little ones will need validation. I liked your analogy of crazy mom -- some are poking at stick at her like Mady. I can just picture that, can't you?

sis said...

annabandana said...

sis said...Be sure to post Jon's "They do the best I can" follow-up e-mail, OK?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm sorry if this has been gone over already (I try to keep up with every single post) but I don't recall hearing about this.

I'd love to hear it if anyone cares to share :-)
__________________________________

Poster BK, who is acquainted with the G's posted what some refer to as "insider" information. After being recognized by "someone", she received an e-mail at home, which she posted for us to see. Aside from being threatening to BK, and the usual "until you walk a mile" crap, it was filled with horrible grammar, and some recognized it as being very similar to the way Jon had posted on other forums: same word usage (and misusage!). The e-mail also used the now infamous phrase "They do the best I can...". The consensus was that it was Jon (although he never reads these kinds of sites *wink*). It also accused her of being a bad mother for leaving her son alone to wait after school (Bk explained that it was well known she was undergoing chemo at the time, and her sister picked her son up (at Cara and Mady's school) after picking up her own children). Just a cowardly act on the part of "whoever" wrote the e-mail.

So, I'm thinking that if history repeats himself, "Jon" will figure out who Penn Mommy is and send a lovely note to her personal e-mail address if he has it.

I'm sorry, I tried to find BK's post, but with all of the activity on here it is buried. It was less than 2 weeks ago, I'm sure.

Hope that helps/refreshes your memory!

anonmom@switched.com said...

Did anyone notice that they were taking donations for pre-school for the tups? Wonder what happened to that money!

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sixgosselins.com

Anonymous said...

I want to agree with anon 1:27
When I was a child, my father was quite harsh with us. I had no choice. That's the way it was. I didn't think I had anyone on my side.
Imagine my surprise, years and years later, when my husband casually mentioned that my uncle had made a comment years earlier: He had evidently told my father that he was too hard on us kids and I guess encouraged him to be kinder, more gentle, or fun with us.
My response as a middle-aged woman was "What???? You mean someone knew??? Someone knew what it was like for us???"
Although nothing changed in my growing up years, even learning after the fact that another relative tried to get through to my father mattered to me.

Anonymous said...

I know people view Kate as a monster, but when you think about it, birds of a feather flock together. Jon is probably the same, which is sad. All in all, they're both money-grubbing ne'erdowells.

BTW, methinks that PennMommy is not family, at least not immediate. Probably a church member or one of their "family helpers".

ThreeFarmers said...

Here is a cut and paste of the infamous "They do the best we can." email that was sent to BK. The email address that sent her the nasty note was immediately deleted after the message was sent. So brave.

"BK (my real name removed),
If the family is that awful in your mind then for heavens sake stop watching. They do the best we can so don't compare us to other people it is not right. When you have eight children to take care of you can say you're an expert on the family but you're not so just shut up. You can be sued for what things you say. Shut your mouth before it costs you. You know a few things but big deal who does'nt know some bad things about everyone. We know you left your son at school late everyday in March to May (Note: I had chemotherapy during the last semester of school. Since I wasn't in a state to drive safely, I had my sister picking my son up. But, her children got out of school at the same time, ten minutes away (at their school). So, yes...my son had to wait for his Aunt.). Is that good parenting, I don't think so....(I deleted a portion of this e-mail because there was quite a bit of identifying information about my family and the family member of the G's). Just stop watching the show okay. Stop spreading rumors true or not because you don't know the side of the story of the Gosselins. There are two sides to everything. We know you know *name removed to protect the family member*. *He/She* tells lies to make their own life better more. *He/She* chose to not be a part of the Gosselin life. Get a life."

Anonymous said...

I used to wonder about all those notes Kate had littering her house. Especially posting the seating chart and crib location chart. I wondered why she'd go to that length in the name of organization. I mean, wouldn't that be something she'd have memorized after about one to two days? Now I realize it was probably for the benefit of the LEGIONS of helpers.

evileye said...

I think that we as a group, should be so greedy for details about Penn Mommy's life. Why do we need to know this? Why are some even guessing? She had what she had to say on her blog. If she was comfortable with announcing her identity she would have. This really undermines the respect and trust that we give to people who want to post.

Another thing, the blogs that are coming out are nothing compared to what we have seen and suspected on TV and actually confirm our worse fears (by the way I was hoping that Kate was only crazy on TV). Whistleblowers are always discouraged to come forward, excuses are always give n.

"You will do more hurt than good."

"I feel the same way but what's the point, you won't change anything."

The point is that people are scared to reveal the truth. However unfortunately the truth needs to be told. This is the only way to stop the damage. These poor kids need decent parents, we need to have more people tell the truth.

Anonymous said...

Why is it so important to discover the identity of Penn Mommy??? Chances are the vast majority of us wouldn't know who she was even if she did give us her name. I think she is smart to remain anonymous. Each of us can choose to believe her or not. Personally, I think her story rings true!! On another note, has anyone noticed that the Gosselins are STILL asking for love offerings?? http://www.ccf-ag.org/index.php?option=com_performs&Itemid=43 HOW CAN THIS POSSIBLY BE??? THEY STILL WANT MORE???

Anonymous said...

Why aren't the four year olds attending Pre-K? And why do they still enunciate like they're two?

sis said...

Thanks ThreeFarmers for finding that e-mail to BK. I'm not a great site navigator, but "We do the best I can".

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the post, threefarmers.

Sad, very sad.

FIONA said...

You are right, it isn't important who she is....

I feel very sorry for the whole family right now....Jon and Kate included.

Can you imagine the climate in the house right now? I am sure it isn't good.

You know, I will be glad when this is over.

Anonymous said...

Yeah Pennmom.
The Gosselins were on Oprah today. It was a re-run, it was wierd to see Aunt Jodi, and Beth again now that they are off the show. Watching the interview for the 2nd time, first being when it first aired. I was able to catch somethings, that I missed first time around. This is not a direct quote, but Oprah asked about why they chose to have the cameras follow them around. One of the reasons Kate gave was because some people in PA were looking down on them for having 8 kids and being unemployed. They wanted to show people how their lives were raising 8 kids. This is not a direct quote. The show will air again late in the evening today.
I thought this was odd considering from what I read, that they got a lot of help from volunteers in PA.
The audience seemed quite taken with Kate.
For the people who say that we haters need to have 8 children or walk in Kate's shoes before we can judge,or that Kate is doing a good job raising 8 children. How do they know if Kate is doing a good job raising 8 kids, if they do not have 8 kids themselves and have something to compare it to?

Pennmom, Jodi, and Julie I hope you all keep speaking the truth. I hope more people come forward to tell their stories. We need more whistle blowers.
In the end Kate will not be remembered for having sextuplets, or being a supermom.

She will be remembered for scamming the public and her biggest contribution to society will be the enactment of "Gosselins Law." This law will prohibited children from participating in reality shows. This law will also prohibit parents from profitting from their children by having them partipate in reality shows. Kate if your reading this, that will be your legacy. Congrats.

Anonymous said...

Kudos, to you, Penn Mom. You have validated what we've all gleaned/speculated about for a while now. J&K are ungrateful takers and users who don't mind biting the hand that (organically) feeds them. They are truly despicable.

Anonymous said...

Penn Mom's blog was as fascinating a read as I've had in some time.

For all those naysayers that doubt that Kate even loves her kids: she spared those six babies the ignominity of having to be clad in Walmart onesies, for pete's sake. If that isn't a sign of true mother-love then I don't know what is!;)

Anonymous said...

sis said...
Thanks ThreeFarmers for finding that e-mail to BK. I'm not a great site navigator, but "We do the best I can".

9/03/2008 3:40 PM

Oh that has to be "Comment of the Week!"
ROFLMAO!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I am glad you spoke out also. I had Kate pegged correctly from the very first time I saw the show. What a witch!

9/03/2008 8:17 AM

Ya know, some witches are nice and we don't appreciate being compared to Kate! ;)Oh the horror!

Anonymous said...

Sue said:
"As an adult, if I read a blog of this type about my Mom, it would be very validating for me. Children are confused by this behavior. Somewhere in their heart the twins know that this Kate's behavior is wrong. This is their role model, the person who is supposed to be their everything. Kids don't think of their Mother and Father as flawed. At some point they catch on. I believe that Cara and Mady are at this point. They just don't know what to do about it. Nor do they have any power to communicate their confusion. They need a trusted adult to listen to them."
______________________
I believe it will give them validation that their mother is a nut, but I also believe that they will be angry at Jon for allowing Kate to carry on like she has.
I watched a documentary special about a teenage boy who stabbed his mother to death while the older sister was away at college. It came out that the mother was very abusive both physically and mentally to her son. He snapped and killed her. The sister actually produced the documentary and interviewed both her brother and father. The brother was in jail serving a life sentence and the father was living alone. The father and sister were aware of the abuse but did nothing to prevent it. After the sister left for college the abuse escalated and the father did absolutely NOTHING to stop it. He is the one that should be sitting in the jail cell.
I am in NO way even suggesting that Kate abuses her children - in fact, I disagree with posters who have brought up the subject of abuse in their household. I am only relaying a set of circumstances in which the father stood by and did nothing because he did not want to anger his wife.

Anonymous said...

The e-mail to BK sounds more like it was written by Kate. It begins with "for Heaven's sake", what 30 year old man talks like that? What 33 year old woman talks like that? Honestly!

Sad said...

Pennmommy thank you for sharing your story. It is putting an explanation point on the truth.
I don't feel it is fair to try and guess who Penn is. If and when she wants us to know she will come forward.
Sadly the Gosslins will continue asking for handouts as long as there are people who will dig deep to help them.
They have learned how to be great speakers. I have a speaker in my family who can tell a story like no other. They learned over the years which words and actions pull out the biggest responses from the audience.
One day in the future we will read Joel's comments on Paul Peterson's site about the pain of growing up on a reality show and we will cry with him.

Anonymous said...

YES, they are still asking for Love Offerings. They're relentless, aren't they?
We are excited to be hosting the cast of "Jon and Kate Plus 8" on Sunday, September 14 at 10:00 am. Completing the requested information below will pre-register you for this event. We are asking only those within a 15 mile radius of the church to pre-register and attend, as there is limited seating available. Thank you for understanding. This event is free, but please come prepared to give in a love offering toward the Gosselin’s.

Due to the increased response for this event, we have rented Keswick Theatre, a local production theatre around the corner from the church in Glenside, Pa. This will provide much more seating.

Anonymous said...

I have been wondering when others would start speaking up. Thanks for sharing and please know that it may difficult now but it will be the best thing for the kids in the long run.
I, too feel that Kate's legacy will be due to her party in the induction of the Gosselin Children's Act.

Anonymous said...

It says "They do the best WE can", not "I can".

Anonymous said...

I'd still love to know why the obsession in keeping the girls and boys apart, even when they're not at home.

Anonymous said...

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sixgosselins.com

Great link. Did anyone else notice that right about the time the first special aired on TLC they took down the "praise" page and it was "under construction".

After reading all they got from sponsors and donors I'm sick. I'm literally sick. I'm so annoyed I can't even type what I'm feeling.

Disgusted.

Yep, that's it. Disgusted. Disgusted for their lack of grace, humility and thankfulness. Disgusted for all the people in the world who don't have 1/10 of what they do and are grateful for it. Disgusted that these parents are using their children as if they were a circus sideshow act. "Come and see the Gosselin kids sing, dance and look clean and cute."

Excuse me now, I have to go and puke.

Penn Mommy said...

Anonymous said...
This is a sincere question for Penn Mom:
It appears that you were at one time very fond of the Gosselins, and perhaps you still have a place for them in your heart but are struggling with the hurt you've seen them inflict on others and perhaps yourself as well. My question is, add insult to injury by posting these comments? There are tons of negative posts on this blog by people who don't know the G's and also a handful of posts/blogs by people who do. So the "word" or the "truth" is out there already. The Gosselins have said they will not speak out against these people that are coming forward so why cause more hurt and humiliation to them. Again I'm being sincere and just wondering why you felt the need because there's certainly already enough information out there about them, why add more?

I think questions like this are fair. I just answered a similar question on the blog.

For me, it boiled down to seeing how they treated Jodi. That was the final straw for me (in terms of speaking out). And, even at that point, I wrestled with my decision for a few weeks. It's hard to speak out about someone you've loved (friend or family).

But, when you see that friend or family member lie to profit off their children, then I don't see how it's honorable to keep your mouth shut. When you see these people who have been given so much pretend that they've not received,...it's like your silence is condoning the lie. I don't regret one moment of the help or financial support we have the Gosselins. For the babies to be healthy and well cared for, it's something I'd do again in a heartbeat. I imagine Jodi feels the same. But, when you see these parents go on television and USE those precious kids to get a hand out that benefits the parent and not the child, then it is wrong. These children were likely have nothing when they turn eighteen. Kate, I think, sees the income from the show as a salary for being the mommy. That's not right. Mommies aren't supposed to draw paychecks for being a mom. The kids didn't ask to shoulder the responsibility of paying the mortgage or trips to Hawaii. Yet, that's exactly what's happening here.

Lastly, I will always tell the truth. Even if it means defending Jon and Kate. I'll do it happily. They shouldn't be lied about. It's not about liking or hating Jon and Kate. It's about the setting the record straight.

Barbara said...

Even though we have a lot more info that we did previously and can pretty much figure out what happened in the relationship with her parents and siblings, we still don't know exactly what it is. I just feel incredibly sad for her parents. Kate says such mean things on TV, where no one can correct her, such as "I was soooooo over-disciplined", "they don't know how to help us", "no-one helps us". That is such a hurtful thing to say, especially when your mother took care of the twins while she was on bedrest. And as painful as this must be to her parents, I'm sure they would forgive her and welcome her back in a moment -- isn't that we do as parents? Of course, Kate will never apologize -- it's always someone else's fault, never hers. My heart breaks for her parents most of all. You better wake up Kate, they won't live forever and when they are gone it is too late and then there will only be time for regrets (if you're even capable of regrets).

ThreeFarmers said...

"Why aren't the four year olds attending Pre-K? And why do they still enunciate like they're two?"


I know that higher order multiples tend to have speech issues in general. It's because they tend to learn from each other, therefore reinforcing any pronounciation
mistakes that may exist. I know that the Dilley sextuplets had the same problem.

I'm not too worried about their speech issues as much as I am their development overall. They do seem to act much younger than what they are -- well beyond the usual premie delays. The out of control screaming comes to mind and all the hitting. Kate's stance on "not breaking up every fight" won't work well for them around other kids since they seem to think fighting is the proper way to solve problems.

ThreeFarmers said...

The e-mail to BK sounds more like it was written by Kate. It begins with "for Heaven's sake", what 30 year old man talks like that? What 33 year old woman talks like that? Honestly!


Well, Lordy be! I can't imagine what 33-year-old woman would talk like that. It would be horrendously horrendous to hear such a thing. I think we should all repay evil with good, for Heaven's sake, but first we should go to the spa because I'm exhausted! HEEEEELLLL-OOOOOO I said I'm exhausted! You're all just jealous because I'm exhausted and you're not!

Paige said...

WHY are we all blogging and trying to consolidate information? Because we DO intend to make a difference.

Pure and simple, this show continues to be broadcast because someone is making a lot of money.

TLC does not care that the show is detrimental to the children. However, TLC might care a lot if they start to lose their sponsors.

There is a link on this page to sponsors and how to get in touch with them. The list is limited right now, but it is being worked on.

If you feel that the children on this show are being hurt in any way, please write to the sponsors and let them know that you do not appreciate their connection with this show.

Kristee said...

Penn Mom~~Thanks for being courageous enough to speak out. I understand how hard it must be because they were people you cared about and sadly you are seeing who they have become.

I've wondered from the beginning why the tups rooms are so bare? Like you said they most likely will have nothing (money wise) when they are 18, but it doesn't seem like they have much right now. I see the nice clothes, which are free from Gap, nice shoes and healthy food. I guess what I'm talking about is why there are so few toys in the play room, and bedrooms. There is no decorations in the bedrooms, just really bare walls. Maybe I'm just being way to materialistic but for the number of kids they have it seems like there are very few indoor toys.

Again...thanks for coming forward. Keep your identity protected...no one needs to know who you are. You are helping those precious little cuties and that's all that matters.

Anonymous said...

Well, Lordy be! I can't imagine what 33-year-old woman would talk like that. It would be horrendously horrendous to hear such a thing. I think we should all repay evil with good, for Heaven's sake, but first we should go to the spa because I'm exhausted! HEEEEELLLL-OOOOOO I said I'm exhausted! You're all just jealous because I'm exhausted and you're not!

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Comment of the week right there!

Anonymous said...

My daughter can be a terror at home with her sister.

In school she is an angel. Go figure!


BINGO. There's a theory that children "hold it together" in different environments or in the presence of "outsiders." But, when they are in the safety of their homes or with their primary caregivers, they can "let go" a bit, and they often revert to more impulsive, babyish, or tempermental behavior.

And the Gosselin children are being fully robbed of this opportunity to have a safe and loving haven where they can let loose and do the normal developmental growing that kids do--growth that is messy and loud and ungraceful and sometimes emabarrassing after the fact.

The fact that these "growing pains" are narrated and judged and joked about to the camera and crew by the parents makes it even worse.

BeeMonte said...

http://growingyourbaby.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jon-kate.jpg

Pictures scanned of Jon and Kate in Hawaii (Resort and SPA,LOL!)
Of course Kate couldn't pass up that place, it has the word "SPA" in the title.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

It is very hard to speak out. We waited 2 months after the relationship with was severed to speak out. I kept hoping and praying that they wouldn't cut Jodi and Kevin out of their "real life" just because she wasn't going to be on the show. It was NEVER about the show for Jodi. She was being the aunt that she has always been. I'm thankful that my children have Aunt Jodi in their lives.

Penn Mommy: "Lastly, I will always tell the truth. Even if it means defending Jon and Kate. I'll do it happily. They shouldn't be lied about. It's not about liking or hating Jon and Kate. It's about the setting the record straight."

I agree with this and I have actually defended them on here when I saw that people were speculating on something that wasn't true. I spoke up when some thought that J&K were away at a speaking engagement on the sextuplets birthday, which I knew wasn't true.

Thank you for telling the truth!

amandarella82 said...

Thank you Penn Mommy for speaking out. Jon and Kate need to realize that it is not ok to treat people the way they do, its just wrong.

Anonymous said...

http://growingyourbaby.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jon-kate.jpg

Kate looks so unhappy in this picture. And Jon - well, it looks as if he is holding her hand only because he has to - his hand isn't around hers at all.

I bet the ice cream trip was a phot op - too bad - or maybe not, because the boys don't have bibs on. Oh, no, their clothes might get dirty! We wouldn't want that now, would we.

And regarding Kate's travel tip of "bring tons of food" I bet the first part of it was "make sure the staff of your reality show is instructed to" bring tons of food.

Man, after reading that new blog you posted a link to I'm completely disgusted with this family.

Come one, come all to the Gosselin side show. Today's event is a very fake, made for tv vow renewal ceremony.

Do you think their vows were written by their PR firm?

Do I sound cynical or what.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, 3farmers for finding the email, I had given up looking!
My vote it that Kate wrote the email, it just sounds like her rambling style, as she tries to sound intelligent. Does anyone know how to send an email where the address disappears?!? I've never heard of this, but an intrigued.

Anonymous said...

Oh my god! Oh my god!

ThreeFarmers said...

My vote it that Kate wrote the email, it just sounds like her rambling style, as she tries to sound intelligent. Does anyone know how to send an email where the address disappears?!? I've never heard of this, but an intrigued.

You just open a free account on hotmail or lycos or yahoo or something. Send your nasty email, then immediately close the email account. It take a very brave person to do such a lameass thing.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
My son is 3 and starts Pre-K next week. We're going to his orientation tomorrow.

Me and the wife have often commented how our son is a year younger then the tuplets but seems far more advanced then them.


_____________________________

I dont think its fair to "compare kids" You might just be making an observation, but in all fairness, every kid is different. I have a bad habit of it too - I'm always comparing my nephews but at the end of the day I just have to remember that every child is different. My oldest son started walking at 10 months - my youngest just turned one year and still doesnt walk on his own!

in regards to pre-k - I saw someone posted that today was there first day of pre k. I was just thinking that they would start sometime soon (if they havent started already) since their birthday is in May (they would be turning 5 by the end of the school year)

sis said...

Just want to give a shoutout to all of the Facebook people. Welcome to the GWOP blog. I read your posts sometimes as well! Some of you think that Jon is being impersonated all over the web, threatening people, etc. because Jon said this was happening on his new website, just so we know. I don't believe it, but that is just my opinion. Just another excuse for behaving badly, especially when almost getting caught with your IP showing.

And there is so much more, if you care to read with an open mind. This stood out to me.

From the "BK Letter":

"Shut your mouth before it costs you."

Did Jon not yell "Shut your mouth!" to a car full of children when he was backing up the van in VA?

And my most humble apologies to:
Anonymous said...
It says "They do the best WE can", not "I can".
9/03/2008 5:24 PM

Correct me please, but were you referring to:
sis said...
Thanks ThreeFarmers for finding that e-mail to BK. I'm not a great site navigator, but "We do the best I can".
9/03/2008 3:40 PM

Maybe I should have explained more clearly that I was speaking about ME and my lack of post-finding skills, thus making a feeble attempt at a PLAY ON WORDS. I guess I was trying to "make(my)own life better more."

Regardless, the grammar is horrendous (note: I resisted the overwhelming urge to write "horrendously horrendous" followed by a half-dozen exclamation points). I'm exhausted now.

But I am pleased to learn the tups are attending Pre-K. Source? You don't have to out yourself, but it legitimizes this blog, as we all are aware. It's good to cite the source for good and bad reports. I wonder if they are split up, or in their own class. Hopefully Hannah and Leah didn't vomit as we've seen when being dropped off at the church playroom. I wonder if they have bodyguards at the Pre-K (seriously) as this is such a concern for them, with the talk about fame and the stalking and everything.

I'm still waiting for all of those old friends, helpers, neighbors, family friends, 4th cousin's sister's uncle, church friends, ANYONE in the inner circle (I'd take outer circle) with something really positive to say about the G's. If it were my friends being scrutinized and maligned for no reason (as claimed by fans) I would be saying SOMETHING to try and give them a better image. And not the letter from Beth regarding the fact that Kate should be TIME'S Mother of the Year (don't jump on me if I have the wrong mag--you get the gist). I think that is a moot point now. Half of us probably would have written a letter like that at one time.

So, step forward, friends of Jon and Kate. Change my mind. Deliver us from the "evil" we are being fed by these other people who were once close to the G's, and show us the "truth" as you experience it.

If I hold my breath waiting for this, I will die, won't I.

Sue said...

I just watched a rerun of the Oprah Show with J&K on it. The first run of this episode was the first time I knew of J&K. I believed everything they said about "no help" and "one day at a time" Blah! Blah! Blah! I didn't know who Jodi and Beth were. I remember thinking they must be Oprah's staff because the Gosselin's have no help! I wanted to help them. I watched the show and fell in love with the kids. I even liked Kate at first. They reminded me of my family growing up. It was weirdly entertaining to see someone else go thru it. But then, in search of more info, I found Julie's blog and the whole thing unraveled for me. It is unbelievable that they can lie so well. what must those twins think when they hear the lies?

Thank you to PennMommy and Julie for coming out with the truth.

Chris said...

First of all I would like to thank Penn Mommy for speaking out about things that happened when the tups were infants.

If I were either Kate's or Jon's mother I would be mortified that my child could have volunteers in their home and not offer them refreshments. And I'm sure that attitude is not just a California thing.

K.C. said...

Sis, thanks for mentioning the Facebook thing. I know it was obvious to me, it's nice to know I wasn't alone. Thanks to the moderators for sending through just enough to make us laugh but not enough to make us sick.

Another thing Sis, the letter from 'Beth' is fake. Julie explains it somewhere else on this site.

Anonymous said...

Skimming through the old Gosselin site, I noticed that their prayer never really changed for long periods of time. It looks like when Jon's dad passed they just added a sentence or two to their previous statements. Am I wrong?

beachluvin said...

Thanks Pennmommy for your post. I was wondering do you speak to or know any other volunteers that were treated like you by the Gosselins? It would be great if you could form a support group as a way to vent and share experiences while knowing you could trust one another.

sis said...

KC,

Thanks for that info on the fake Beth letter. I did not see that. THREEFARMERS, where are you??? *wink*. I'll never find it! But I believe Julie 100%.

The Facebook site makes me chuckle. A handful of posters say the same thing, over and over and over. Die hard Kate worshipers who will just crumble when the G's inevitably fall. There are some bright, intelligent bulbs in the Facebook drawer, but they are usually attacked and realize eventually that you can't rationalize with the teenage starstruck mentality of most of the members. Oh well. I come here and then check there to see how long it takes for GWOP info to make it over there.

Oh dear! Now they know! I guess I am a troll! Or a lurker, anyway. I'm not a member so I don't post. Hope they give me a shoutout at least!

K.C. said...

Sue, The first time I saw J&K on Oprah, I also thought Jodi and Beth were on Oprah's staff.

Did you notice how Jon and Kate repeatedly mentioned money and finances--or rather, lack thereof? Or how Kate kept saying that they were 'approached' to do the show. Oprah finally said, "How did they approach you?" but Kate didn't answer. Once Kate stopped rambling Oprah tried again, "So how exactly were you approached?"...but still, no answer.

Kate really 'acted' for Oprah. It looked very similar to her behavior on the 'Kate's Labor Day' episode.

I thought it was very telling that Aaden was leaning over the side of Oprah's couch calling Beth's name. He was on the couch with his Mommy and Daddy but poor little Aaden was still reaching, stretching his arms out and crying, for Beth. It even sounded like he said "Mommy Beth" a few times. Of course, Kate still told Jon to "get up and get him", even though she was right there.

I never noticed any of these things the first time this show aired. It's amazing how much more I see with my eyes open. Thanks GWoP!

Christi said...

I've wondered from the beginning why the tups rooms are so bare? (stuff snipped) There is no decorations in the bedrooms, just really bare walls.

Maybe Kate doesn't see a reason to decorate if it's just a temporary home (she seems to view her house(s) as temporary, until a bigger one comes along). Didn't she say that their other house was "home" and their current house isn't really "home" or something like that? It was the episode with the professional photo of J/K & the tups in front of their old house.

Or maybe she's waiting for a company to donate some artwork, etc.

(I'll admit, we painted our whole place a few years ago, when we started looking for a bigger house, and we haven't put many pictures back up on the walls yet. But they aren't totally bare.)

ThreeFarmers said...

Thanks for that info on the fake Beth letter. I did not see that. THREEFARMERS, where are you??? *wink*. I'll never find it! But I believe Julie 100%.

I don't remember anything about a fake Beth letter. I've really only been posting here about 3 weeks or so.

Does anyone know where I can read that letter?

Anonymous said...

Once I heard that the J&K episode of Oprah was on today, I decided to record it. I didn't see it the first time, and wanted to see it for myself. Couldn't sleep, so I'm up watching it now.

Kate does come across as charming. If I hadn't ever heard of them, I would have really wanted to know more. Her acting was perfect. She seemed really personable.

The kids were there with Beth and Jodi, people who love them. And they don't have that anymore. I started crying and praying for their family, including Jodi and Beth. Sadness took over me. I hope that the the ice melts from J&K's hearts soon and the people who really love those children can once again be a part of their lives.

Anonymous said...

They happened to be very well behaved at prek. Wow, they've been to one day and behaved. You want to know a secret. My parent was an abusive alcoholic who was even more abusive if we did anything to make her look “bad.” I did great in school, quiet, never in any trouble, good grades. I attempted suicide at 15 and was taken from my home until my senior year of High School. Even if they are doing great on day one of preschool or day 200 of fifth grade it's not really going to tell you how that child is doing emotionally, psychologically. and all that important stuff. If Kate was my mom I'm sure I'd be a wonderful student because I'd be afraid of the consequences if I made her look bad. Many of her behaviors have reminded me of my supermom with the martyr complex. That's why I've come to this blog and done as they recommended with contacting people, sponsors, corporations and continue to read to see if anything might be improving for the chances that the lie these children live are exposed.
Kristee said...
Penn Mom~~Thanks for being courageous enough to speak out. I understand how hard it must be because they were people you cared about and sadly you are seeing who they have become.

I've wondered from the beginning why the tups rooms are so bare? Like you said they most likely will have nothing (money wise) when they are 18, but it doesn't seem like they have much right now. I see the nice clothes, which are free from Gap, nice shoes and healthy food. I guess what I'm talking about is why there are so few toys in the play room, and bedrooms. There is no decorations in the bedrooms, just really bare walls. Maybe I'm just being way to materialistic but for the number of kids they have it seems like there are very few indoor toys.

I too want to thank Penn Mommy for her blog. It paints the picture I expected it to paint. Please don't feel the need to out yourself. I wish more of those burned by these two would also come forward. I think just like any other witness protection type interview I think the anon blogs are a great idea.

As for the rooms being bare. I note Kate is like my dear old mom in that no dust catchers or clutter is allowed in her home except in the designated area for them of which Kate has an upstairs playroom and downstairs playroom and heaven forbid the toys from one end up in the other. If they do like choo choo charlie it will be destroyed by a good fling down the stairs. Or like the bear it will be trash. And I think if the cameras had not been there that bear would have been destroyed and tossed.
They got $3,000 worth of toys from Dr. Phil so they have plenty of toys on top of all the ones that their fans sent to them and Ellen got them bikes. Those children are not doing without anything as they have the TVs and DVD players in their bedrooms too. Well, they are doing without their dignity, privacy and true unconditional love but materialistically they are just fine.

balletbrat said...

Thanks for sharing, PennMom. I am anxious to read more.

Anonymous said...

"Some of you think that Jon is being impersonated all over the web, threatening people, etc. because Jon said this was happening on his new website, just so we know. I don't believe it, but that is just my opinion. Just another excuse for behaving badly, especially when almost getting caught with your IP showing.

And there is so much more, if you care to read with an open mind. This stood out to me.

From the "BK Letter":

"Shut your mouth before it costs you."

Does this mean it's been proven that Jon sent BK that email? Was his IP address identified? If so it should be on the home page for all to see. KON caught up in all their lies!
Did Jon not yell "Shut your mouth!" to a car full of children when he was backing up the van in VA?"

Anonymous said...

"I wonder if they are split up, or in their own class. Hopefully Hannah and Leah didn't vomit as we've seen when being dropped off at the church playroom. I wonder if they have bodyguards at the Pre-K (seriously) as this is such a concern for them, with the talk about fame and the stalking and everything."

No one vomited. As I stated above they were all very well behaved. No bodyguards. They were no different than all the other children walking into class that day.

Anonymous said...

I remember that someone, when mentioning the bare walls in the kids' rooms, said that because of filming on TV, the companies would have to be acknowledged regarding what items were on display.
Here's an idea: Kate and Jon could personally decorate the rooms, like I did with my grandkids' playroom. You can put up colorful curtains, without being sponsored or acknowledging name brands...you can put up painted letters on the wall, spelling out the names of the kids, or maybe shelves with teddy bears and favorite things up there such as books read at night time....Oh, I forgot, they don't get night time stories. That's right...just turn out the light, shut the door, and check the hidden cameras to see who's sleeping and who isn't.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

After I started reading on TWoP back in April, I realized all of the lies that were being told and the things that were being aired and talked about in the speaking engagements(I stopped watching the show after the 1st season and didn't follow anything about it online). I decided to do my own research to figure out exactly what was going on.

I ran across this blog and I couldn't believe what I was reading. Although I have never met Beth, from what I knew, I didn't believe that this was really her.

http://www.blogfabulous.com/kate-gosselin-times-person-of-the-year/

I sent this to Jodi to see if she had seen it and she said she had and that Beth confirmed that it was not her.

Barbara in VA said...

I wonder what has been told to the twins and to, for example, Aaden when he asks where Bef is? You know that Kon probably says, oh, Aunt Jodi and Beth are just too busy so we decided not to impose upon them. Or they don't have time for you guys anymore. Of course it will never ever be the truth. Poor kids.

Anonymous said...

RE:Anon: I dont think its fair to "compare kids" You might just be making an observation, but in all fairness, every kid is different.
I disagree with not thinking it is fair to compare children. I think it is necessary to compare children with their peers when it comes to development. How else would you know if that child needs some type of intervention. It is not about being fair it is about being practical. What do you think growth charts do when you take your child to the doctor. I think people let their personal feelings get in the way of things, and that is not always good.

Ruthe said...

Could it be that now that the tups are in pre-school, this is the beginning of the end of the show? Will Scott be able to get his money back on the overabundance of shoe-booties he had to buy? Will Jon be able to finally get himself a job worth keeping?

What will TLC film during the day? Kate cleaning? ... aaand cut to a pic of the sweeping apparatus propped up against the wall. Kate cooking? ... aaand cut to the oven buzzer dinging. Kate shopping? ... aaand cut to the dollar figure on the cash register. Kate napping? ... aaand cut to the cup of coffee Jon has so lovingly placed on the bedside table.

TV at it's best, my friends ...

Ruthe said...

kristi posted - "Didn't she say that their other house was "home" and their current house isn't really "home" or something like that? It was the episode with the professional photo of J/K & the tups in front of their old house."

I believe she said something to the effect: This is where we live, but that house is "home".

On a personal note, I can whole-heartedly appreciate that sentiment. Our first house will always be home to me - that's where we created our very first memories when times were simpler. This house ... not so much.

Anonymous said...

After watching Jon and Kate on a re-run of Oprah. I see them differently than before. I did not know about Aunt Jodi or Beth. Those two women seemed very loving toward the children and you can see it in their faces that it was real.
As for Jon and Kate. For the first time I was able to really see them for who they really were. If you did not know anything about the couple(which I did not at the time) you would think that on the surface they were a very nice couple. I have to admit that they can certainly spin a tale. They had me fooled the first time around. But this time around based on what has been said everything makes since now. Watching their behavior during the interview. Jon came off like a fool. Oprah called him on somethings, and he quickly re-worded what he was saying to better suit her.
Kate just rambled and she used the whole having eight kids to her full advantage. She even used it to dodge questions. She told more of her lies and talked about not being able to afford things.
Oprah asked why did they decide to go from a special to a series, because wasn't a special enough? Kate gave some bogus answer.
I think that there just needs to be just the right interviewer to ask these two clowns questions and their whole scam will crumble. I hope it will be in the near future. Oprah did a little bit but I dont think she really watches the show at all to really know about these two con artist.
One thing I noticed in one of the clips from the show. Is that Kate was walking away from one the girl tups who was in time out crying. Kate was holding a empty paper towel roll in her hand. I remember Kate holding that same empty paper towel roll in her hand out in the garage while she was getting on to one of the boy tups. Do you think that she uses that as a discipline tool?

Anonymous said...

Another reason to get this show off the air would be because it is negatively influencing teenagers, and young adults.
The facebook fan club who are mostly teenagers and young adults all love these two clowns. They do not find anything wrong with their behavior at all.
News flash to those people. Kate was lucky enough to find a fool that would put up with her crap. Most men, if you were to treat them like that they would be out the door, or having another woman on the side. Men in the real world, not Kates world do not put up with that behavior. If they do they are few and far between. I hope that they will see this show as awake up call to get the hell out of their marriage.
The other thing that does not happen is all help that Kate gets for free. After this show people are going to be less inclined to give money and donations to families of multiples. A lot of people got burned by this family.

ThreeFarmers said...

One thing I noticed in one of the clips from the show. Is that Kate was walking away from one the girl tups who was in time out crying. Kate was holding a empty paper towel roll in her hand. I remember Kate holding that same empty paper towel roll in her hand out in the garage while she was getting on to one of the boy tups. Do you think that she uses that as a discipline tool?


This sort of speculation is absurd. Whenever implications like this are made with no verfication, it makes everyone look bad. We have no idea why she was carrying around a paper towel holder. Probably because she was changing a roll of paper towels and got distracted. In scientific theory, the simplest answer is usually the correct one.

I find making implications about Kate using a paper towel holder (or anything else) for discipline purposes is irresponsible.

Anonymous said...

If Jon wrote that email, it's no wonder he can't hold a job. Hello! Grammar! If Kate wrote it, can you imagine her patient notes when she was a nurse? Lordy be.

Kristen said...

"Anonymous said...
"I wonder if they are split up, or in their own class. Hopefully Hannah and Leah didn't vomit as we've seen when being dropped off at the church playroom. I wonder if they have bodyguards at the Pre-K (seriously) as this is such a concern for them, with the talk about fame and the stalking and everything."

No one vomited. As I stated above they were all very well behaved. No bodyguards. They were no different than all the other children walking into class that day."

How do you know all this? A parent, teacher, J or K?

Anonymous said...

They got $3,000 worth of toys from Dr. Phil

Which says a whole lot about Dr Phil. What fool would give a family so many toys? NO family needs so many toys. Its ridiculous.

Linda said...

Look what I found! Gotta love the archives!


"Welcome to our sale page. We have a few items that our kids have recently grown out of. If you would like to purchase any of the items listed on this page please email at info@sixgosselins.com. We would be happy to answer any questions about our items for sale via EMAIL ONLY!!! Any items on this page are at a first come first serve sale basis.


This six seater table SAVED OUR LIVES. It is height adjustable with removable seats (with seat belts). It is super easy to clean.....takes a tenth of the time to clean (versus high chairs) and is ten times easier!We paid nearly six hundred dollars for it and will sell it for $200 plus shipping.

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SOLD


We have 2 triplet inline strollers that Kate & I purchased in 2005. These are the Peg Perego Triplette stroller. We have all the accessories (sun canopies and leg covers)for both of these strollers. They have been very gently used and well cared for. They are in really good condition and have been stored inside our house the entire time that they were not used. One of the great features of this stroller is the seats can be positioned forward facing or rear facing. We have decided to sell these strollers for half the price we paid for them.

SOLD
Copyright 2007-2008. Jonathan & Kate Gosselin. All rights reserved."

Anonymous said...

OMG! Are you kidding??

Kate actually wrote the words "we paid 600 for this and will sell it for 200" And "we will sell these strollers for 50% off retail"??

Is she completely mental??? When the community knows those were gifted to them, she has the nerve to act like she paid for them???

luvmytwins said...

Ok, I'll bite:
They didn't really pay for the table or either of the strollers, did they?

Anonymous said...

Re: ThreeFarmers-I find making implications about Kate using a paper towel holder (or anything else) for discipline purposes is irresponsible.
It was said on another blog by someone who actually heard a speech by Kate and Jon. That Kate admitted to spanking the children as form of disicipline. I do not see how asking a simple question about an observation can be seen as irresponsible. I did not say she does use any item to discipline her children. I just asked a question to see if anyone else had seen.

Christi said...

I'd be surprised if they paid for the triplet strollers (around $1,000 each, per Google). They got their six-seat stroller free, so I'm sure a pair of 3-seaters was easy.

Found a press release about the donated 6-seater:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/5/prweb389275.htm
(Do not drink anything while reading that, either.)

Penn Mommy said...

I'm stunned at the level of dishonesty they'll sink to. Why not just say "these things would cost $x retail - make an offer."? They did not by the Peg Pergos or the table. I remember hearing about the gifts.

Most companies would either give them a set amount of years worth of service or a cash amount (like a debit account). They "shopped" for the strollers and tables like they "shopped" for the bunkbeds.

babyaby said...

A friend of mine attended a neighborhood yard sale that the G's were participating in about two years ago. My friend did not know who the Gosselins were at the time and asked if Kate would take a lesser price on an item. Kate got very offended and went off about how these things are practically brand new and and how no one has the right to ask for a better price. My friend, needless to say,was quite embarrassed over it.

mlou said...

The only good thing I can think of that will come out of the book tour is that maybe even her hard core fans will see her true colors.

From what everyone has been stating, if she gave me her attitude I would be asking for a refund. Although, if Beth is not on the tour I would pay to hear what "untruth" she would tell to get out of that one.LOL

Anonymous said...

Ok Ok! I have to get in here and say something.
For the most part we will agree that we don't hate J and K.
For the most part we can say that we don't appreciate the exploitation of children and dislike Kate's attitude to her husband (she is setting a bad example, etc. etc.).
We can also say that we believe that the family has lost some of its values when it comes to money.
So let's do something about it instead of watching the show only to come on all of these blogs and criticize them. I appreciate those close to them that have set the record straight, but what do we accomplish by watching and then complaining about it??
YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF THESE KIDS? STOP WATCHING THE SHOW. EVEN IF ITS FOR ONE WEEK. please please please STOP WATCHING.
You see, TLC is not stupit. They know that these blog wars over the show are happening. As a matter of fact they know that some folks will probably start a blog war over these shows if there aren't some already; take a look at thier line up:

Painted Babies 2 This follow up to the acclaimed 1995 film Painted Babies-re-visits the unique world of the baby beauty pageant queen and reveals the impact intense early exposure to the pageant scene had on Brooke Breedwell and Asia Mansur now that they are 17.

Followed by:
Remind Me Toddlers & Tiaras

So please- if you truly want to help: STOP WATCHING THE SHOW!

I know several families that will NOT watch including this Chicago family.

Thank you:
Rubies and Pearls

mlou said...

"YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF THESE KIDS? STOP WATCHING THE SHOW. EVEN IF ITS FOR ONE WEEK. please please please STOP WATCHING."

I can only speak for myself, but I am sure I am not the only one. I stopped watching this show a few weeks ago. I already had concerns & that is what brought me to this blog. I do not go to their website or any other unless it is directed from this one.

I come here to see if any actual helpful developments have been made. In the month that I have been on here, there has been (Paul Peterson). As it has been stated before, as far as ratings, they go by Nielson families. Again, I do not watch this show because I cannot stand to watch what these kids go through anymore.

Many of us have been trying to contact those that would make a difference. Sponsors,F8,Paul Peterson, TLC. I understand what you are saying. I just wanted to get the point across that many of us are trying to make a difference.

Barbara in VA said...

I get your point in not watching the show. I, for one, have quit watching it. But the issues remain. The kids. I could really not care less what happens to Katie Irene and her pathetic blow-up husband. But I do care what happens to children who are exploited -- not just these kids --please understand me -- any kids. I also care about animal rights. I personally care and will do anything I can do to speak for those who can not speak for themselves. So good, please don't watch if you don't want as I will not watch. But putting my hands over my eyes does not make the show or the exploitation go away. So as for me, I'll continue to speak out, write letters, whatever I can do.

sis said...

It is a catch-22 situation, isn't it?

Speaking only for myself, I watch so I can see first hand what is going on, and then I can make up my mind. Now that I have seen, evaluated, and looked for other opinions and points of view, I have made up my mind. For me, turning off the show will not help me keep up with what is happening to these children. It also does not help me figure out which sponsors to contact. I am not in the US, and I believe that the sponsors may be different. I will watch more closely next time and list them to compare (and I mean the commercials, not the product placements in the show).

And if no one on this blog actually watched the show, but simply made comments about it, the comments from G supporters would then go from "Turn it off if you don't like it!" to "How do you know? You don't even watch the show!" Now, I'm not talking about people like Julie (who has said she doesn't watch) or Penn Mommy who comment on personal experiences with the G's. That is something different.

Either way, we all want to "Free the Gosselin Eight" (and deep down, I hope, free the parents from whatever ails them, for the sake of the Eight). Each of us has to decide what course of action is best. I don't think the watching/not watching question has a right or wrong answer. It's what we do with the info we have that matters.

Off to batten down the hatches. Two hurricanes approaching.

5monkeys said...

Ok, I'll bite:
They didn't really pay for the table or either of the strollers, did they?


The six-seat table was donated to them (someone "in the know" confirmed that here, I forget which blog post).

I would imagine the situation was the same with the strollers.

How utterly pathetic that they would claim to have paid for it themselves, and then making like the buyer would get this great bargain.

Paula said...

I feel for Penn Mommy. The Kate and Jon fantatics have found her blog and are attacking her for simply telling the truth. It's really, really sad.

Anonymous said...

My wife hates me now and says I've ruined J&K for her. We both loved watching the show then I accidentally stumbled upon this site and Julie's blog and was blown away.

I actually find all this dirt on them more interesting then the show.

Anonymous said...

So please- if you truly want to help: STOP WATCHING THE SHOW!
No, if you truly want to help WRITE THE SPONSERS! You might have to watch the show to get the list but I've had it on good authority to write the sponsers. I accidently catch some of the show and when looking for sponsers this week realized I may have to actually sit and see what the episodes are promoting. ALSO WRITE THE PA AND NC LAW MAKERS! It's due to the loop holes in the employment laws that allow Figure 8 to employ the children so like New Mexico got a rude awakening and got laws past, let's not wait for a rude awakening but wake them up and get those laws made and passed pronto.
If watching the show helps give you ammo to prove it's not a documentary then I think that's again another reason to not feel like you are evil to watch. TLC's blowing off my concern's with the response that this garbage is a documentary when that's an absolute lie has me angry.
How do you know all this? A parent, teacher, J or K? Gee, I vote troll. Anyone that tries to convince me that on day one they can tell the children are just fine and dandy, sorry, isn't a reputable teacher or school employee. So either troll or someone that needs to be called into the principal's office.
Kate's mother had her at 17 and already had another baby? Well, at 24 Kate probably thought she was already running behind her mom and may have dreamed all her life of being "the mommy", not realizing that she just is not the mommy type. I know most women like to shave a few years off of their ages but Katie Irene's mom isn't that young. I think it's more like a two year difference between herself and her husband's ages maybe 4 and she was in her 20's when Katie was born. I don't know where that wrong age info keeps coming from but again it's wrong.


I find making implications about Kate using a paper towel holder (or anything else) for discipline purposes is irresponsible. Why? She has been caught on camera more then once doing her walking about with the empty roller, I thought she was going to use it for the same purpose. It's not that illogical to me. I guess perhaps I was relieved they'd get swatted with a paper towel roller then a old fashion switch or the infamous plank. The admitted they spank but that it's not shown on the show, so if they swat with a roller then maybe it's less intimidating then a hand, belt or other tool.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your thoughtful and fair blogs. I'm sorry that those who tell the truth are subjected to harrassment -- and impressed that you will not be silenced by those who try to bully you into silence. These children need protection -- and your honesty will help in that cause.

Sara said...

RE: "For the people who say that we haters need to have 8 children or walk in Kate's shoes before we can judge,or that Kate is doing a good job raising 8 children. How do they know if Kate is doing a good job raising 8 kids, if they do not have 8 kids themselves and have something to compare it to?"

YES! I absolutely agree. If you choose to be the head of a brood this large, you need to go well beyond the call of duty each and every day, to provide for them as individual children, not as a group. These kids might have come pre-packaged together, but they're separate beings, and Kate is far from realizing that.

Anonymous said...

I find it odd that quite a few that speak out do so without revealing their REAL name or their EXACT relationship to J&K.

Why is this? I think IF these people are so comfortable "revealing the truth" and wanting to protect the children they'd fess up.

It makes me think they are not really "insiders" just wanna be's trying to get attention on the web.

It also makes me think that maybe they are making it up and afraid they'll be hit with a lawsuit for slander.

anyone else question this?

Barbara in VA said...

No, I don't question it. What would someone have to gain by that? In contrast, what do Kon have to gain by keeping their con going? A whole lot. Check the law before you talk about slander. Public figures, et al.

Wouldn't you hate 10 years from now to read or hear that Kon has used up all the money it was given and now they are begging America to send their kids to college and to support them because, hey, America set a precedent by allowing us to collect before?

Don't you hate as you or your husband gets up at the crack of dawn every morning to go to work that Mr. Kate is getting up just to go to the gym and then planning his next outfit change or vacation? How have these two earned this unusual special treatment? What gives them this entitlement attitude?

mlou said...

Anonymous said...
I find it odd that quite a few that speak out do so without revealing their REAL name or their EXACT relationship to J&K.

I assume they do not use their REAL names the same reason you use anonymous. They do not want to give too much away. Anyone can go online and find out where someone lives, works, etc.

If I remember correctly, the moderators here have stated that they verify who people are. They just don't take everything at face value.

The ones who have just given hints of who they might be have been harrassed. If your gravy train was about to come to a hault, wouldn't you be a little upset?

These people have lives, families, children of their own that they have to consider. Would you want all this drama in your life just because you tried to tell the truth?

amandarella82 said...

What I find odd (and down right distubing) is that people still defend these people who exploit their children. These children were not put on this planet for the viewing publics enjoyment. Thank goodness people are speaking out, I hope more do.

Lonnyswife said...

And lets not forget the ones who have gone 'public' with their truthfulness about the situation have been threatened for doing so. Even the anonymous ones have received cease and desist type emails from people they suspect to be Jon & Kate.
Personally, I don't blame them for being cautious.

Anonymous said...

"I find it odd that quite a few that speak out do so without revealing their REAL name or their EXACT relationship to J&K."

sadly, it is a common technique to try to undermine a claim by attacking the messenger rather than the substance of the message.
people who are defending j&k sill attack so matter how much credibility someone has to offer behind their comments.
we've seen it already with julie's blog. first people said it must be a fake -- if it was true and she was really jodi's sister, jodi would say something. then jodi came forward. and people jumped on her for allowing her video to be put on the blog.
i can perfectly understand people not wanting to go into their own background in depth when they choose to post what they know. those who attack them will simply to do so -- the identifying info will only give them more ammunition, not disarm them.

Anonymous said...

"I find it odd that quite a few that speak out do so without revealing their REAL name or their EXACT relationship to J&K."


I dont find it odd at all. I see nothing odd about wanting to protect your name and privacy. Perhaps those that have made the choice to speak out live in close proximity of J & K, go to the same church, are figures of the community. For fear of being ostricized or labeled as 'evil doers' by the church, community, et they feel it is in the best interest to protect their name and privacy for that reason.

Anonymous said...

A couple things:

1. I cant help but think, based on language and tone, that PLENTY of the comments defending J&K, both on this site and the PennMommy blog, are written by the same person and we won't name names... but I am sure you know who me are getting at.

2. I agree, we should not expect PennMommy to reveal more than she sees fit. Her privacy, both locally and globally, is important. Furthermore, IMO, I don't think we would point out clues that indicate who she "can't be" or "might be." Some people who might wish to figure out her identity are not always the sharpest knife in the back...er I mean drawer. Why help them out?

3. I'm going to post as annonymous in honor of the annonyomus posters who post their suspicious about people who post annonymously.

4. Have a nice day.

ThreeFarmers said...

I'm going to post as annonymous in honor of the annonyomus posters who post their suspicious about people who post annonymously.

Nomination for comment of the week.

Sharp as a tack, anonymous, sharp as a tack.

K.C. said...

Re: The comment left by Anonymous at 9:58am.

IMO the writing style and the message is the same as some of the disturbing comments left on PennMommy's blog. IMO this person uses a few handles on each site they visit.

FYI: It doesn't matter what name you choose to post your comments under if you write things like this:

If you have a problem with what they are doing then just say it to our face.

bk said...

Anonymous said...
I find it odd that quite a few that speak out do so without revealing their REAL name or their EXACT relationship to J&K.

Hello Pot, welcome to my black kettle. YOU are an anonymous poster. By your logic, you have absoluetly nothing to lose by being a fan.

Why is this? I think IF these people are so comfortable "revealing the truth" and wanting to protect the children they'd fess up.
Fess up to whom? You? The anonymous internet blogger? Being that you're anonymous, how would I know if I was giving detail information to a mother of three in Perfectville or FriendlyPetePedophile? You don't get to demand that the other side show you their cards - unless weren't it's a long summers eve on a train bound to nowhere. *Hums*

It makes me think they are not really "insiders" just wanna be's trying to get attention on the web.
And, what about the Pro-Kate legions who would pay $20 to have Kate scrawl her name across a picture in sharpy? Welcome to HMS ASS KISSER - Pucker up, me hearties! If the pro-Kates believe she wont' look at critical websites, then the only way to get her attenion from your basement in Omaha is to make fan sites that talk about marrying off yoru now nine year son to Maddy or Cara. Or,arranging to meet Kate for lunch to talk about a speaking engagement that you organized just for her...you are her biggest fan, afterall.

It also makes me think that maybe they are making it up and afraid they'll be hit with a lawsuit for slander.
As someone else suggested, you need to take a serious look at what constitutes slander.

ThreeFarmers said...

ThreeFarmers said...I find making implications about Kate using a paper towel holder (or anything else) for discipline purposes is irresponsible.

To which Anonymous replied... Why? She has been caught on camera more then once doing her walking about with the empty roller, I thought she was going to use it for the same purpose. It's not that illogical to me. I guess perhaps I was relieved they'd get swatted with a paper towel roller then a old fashion switch or the infamous plank. The admitted they spank but that it's not shown on the show, so if they swat with a roller then maybe it's less intimidating then a hand, belt or other tool.

I didn't say it was illogical. I simply don't think it's appropriate to assume that since Kate is walking around with something in her hand that she uses it to hit the children. Maybe she was changing the roll of paper towels and she got distracted.

What if she was walking around with a wooden spoon in her hand? Would it be logical to assume that she used that to hit the children? What about a hair brush?

Now if we actually saw her using it to hit the children, it's fair game.

Personally, I'm glad they don't show the children being spanked on TV. That would just add to the children's humiliation. At least something is sacred.

Anonymous said...

I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but the vehemence that this blog has brought out makes me wonder if the Gosselins are personally involved in trying to refute this information. Please see the comments at PennMommy's blog and the individual who then started another blog calling PennMommy a fraud.

I think the Gosselins are beginning to realize that the truth is finally getting out there (thanks to GWOP, Julie, Jodi, PennMommy, and Paul Petersen). Enough people are writing to major media and advertisers and insisting that the truth be told.

Bravo to all who refuse to be intimidated by the Gosselin PR machine.

K.C. said...

I read elsewhere that when you Tivo a show it does effect the ratings. In addition to removing J&K+8 from your Tivo, (if you haven't already), maybe we should all Tivo the shows that appear to be J&K's competition on TLC? I started doing it this weekend--just in case...So far, I've added Meet the Fooses and Raising a Six Pack.

Anonymous said...

reply to Fiona 4:01

I agree, I can't wait until this is over too. I know the people that think we are "haters" and "jealous" think we get a lot of enjoyment out of this, but I know for myself, and I'm sure most others, I don't like to see people suffering, especially children. We can see it on the interview couch (I'm guessing the interviews are done shortly before the show airs, because a lot of times they forget what has happened during that episode), and it's not pretty at all. I have to keep telling myself that they brought this on themselves (the parents), by their greed, and unfortunatly, the public is in the position of trying to save the kids from future damage, when KON should have done this from the beginning. When they saw that it was affecting the kids, they should have taken it upon themselves to try to change the laws, that would have impressed me, they should be standing up for their children, and giving them rights and protection.
I can almost guarentee a lawsuit in the future when the kids grow up, involving the network, figure 8, and probably the parents too, depending on their choices made. Especially since it's obvious that they are and have been made aware by many that what they're doing is so wrong on many levels.

mollybloom said...

I would be very impressed if Jon and Kate would admit that the show is a source of stress and that they have decided to change things in order to put their family first. I would say then that I had misjudged them. Unfortunately, as their lifestyle escalates and their wants become needs, they are moving further and further away from clarity. I can't see them able to maintain this kind of life without something breaking down. They appear to be skating on very thin ice. I wonder how each of them will look back on this experience.

4girlsone boy said...

"So, I'm thinking that if history repeats himself, "Jon" will figure out who Penn Mommy is and send a lovely note to her personal e-mail address if he has it."


Can you see it now? Jon and Kate are sitting in the closet trying to figure out who this blog belongs to. All of a sudden, Kate jumps up and shouts "I know who she is - she is the one who ate my yogurt!"

Anonymous said...

What would be funny is J&K finding out who she is and realizing that they don't even know her! LOL! That would be FUNNY!

Linda said...

I was thinking about the bag of Walmart clothes that Pennmom shared in her blog, which lead me to wonder how Kon feels having their book sold a store where Kate declined donated clothes because (drum roll please)...

"...They were from Walmart." The excuse given was that it was too hard to deal with clothing that was "poor quality" because it would "probably shrink" or fade or "just look dirty".

Or maybe Walmart should be made aware of the great public relations Kon is doing on their behalf!

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