Things I'd Like to See Jon and Kate Do

Things I Wish We'd See Jon & Kate Do:

1. Thank TLC, Figure 8 Films, the crew members, the audience, and their kids for assisting in giving them enough finances so that they won't ever have to choose between buying groceries or paying the mortgage, then promptly decline to sign on for anymore additional seasons.

2. Create a new contract with Figure 8 Films to allow for an annual special to update the audience on the family, and also to help put a little coin into the kids' college funds or for any other extraordinary needs the children might have. These specials will follow a strict format, allowing the cameraman to only shoot the kids learning, playing, involved in an activity or interacting with one another. The camera will never be allowed to capture the children in ANY state of nudity, including shots of underwear or using the loo. If a child needs to be taken away from a situation because of a punishment or in any way needs privacy, the camera should be banned from that area.

3. Find a reputable marriage counselor who specializes in bringing both parties to an equal ground. This means Kate will have to realize that she is not God, and that her way is not the only one. Jon will have to realize that he is a grown-up, and if he bows his head and acts like a whipped little boy for the rest of his life, his sons might not grow up to be strong men because they didn't have one to learn from. They would be best suited to a study on empathy, because neither one seems to understand how anyone feels but themselves.

4. Re-introduce themselves and the kids to their extended family, put the past behind them and realize that money and fame will fade, but your family will still be your family, even after the glory is gone.

5. Allow a child to spend a day or sleepover at family member's house by themselves. Just because they were born together, it doesn't mean they always have to be grouped in two's or three's or all together. Kate needs constant breaks from the kids in order to unwind, and it is very likely that the kids sometimes need a break from the whole group too.

6. Reseach better ways to earn money while staying at home with the kids. Kate could consider becoming an author, perhaps of childrens books, because she seemingly likes to write. Or, once the tups are in school, she could return to nursing. Jon could build up a business with their stockpile of cash, doing whatever it is that he does.

7. Make it a point to exercise together, even if it is a walk around the block at night. They should involve themselves in family exercise also, such as riding bikes or calisthenics. No pointing out the other person's flaws, or the childrens', unless they are prepared to address their own. Kate should see a physician to discover the cause of her chronic fatigue, which comes from no particular outside source.

8. Become involved with the community. It is important for children to see their parents in selfless acts and neighborhood contribution. This involves more than just writing a check or touting the cause. Become involved in groups for parents, such as the PTA (which is important because the Gosselin kids might consist of half the kindergarten class), enjoy the company of neighbors, attend town meetings and help organize events for the school, their church, or even the volunteer fire department. If Kate can throw a circus for her three year olds, she is capable of making a batch of cookies for a bake-sale.

9. Take a moment to consider their children's feelings. Put themselves back to that age, and remember how they felt when certain things were said or done to them. Remember the things that made them happy, and the things that hurt terribly. Once again, learn empathy.

10. Stop dressing the kids indentically. Each gender of tups would have three times the wardrobe if, instead of buying all identical items, three different items were bought. A shirt that might only be worn by one girl once or twice a month and then grown out of quickly could be worn by all three girl tups once or twice a month, and have it's value used by the time they grow out of it. Identical outfits are cute at Christmas time or in family portraits, but completely unnecessary on a day-to-day basis.

11. Learn more information about health and nutrition. Just because an item is organic, it doesn't mean it's healthy. It means it was raised or grown without certain insecticides, herbicides, fertilizers and hormones. It doesn't mean that it has less fat, sugar, etc. And since these products aren't always regulated, almost anything can be labeled organic. Kate should focus on the actual products she is using, how she prepares them, and how the menus are balanced, not just a word on a label that is trendy at the moment.

12. Take a cue from themselves when delegating tasks to the children- they should also be divided and assigned to each adult. Children usually absorb the desire to help by seeing their parents help each other.

I could go on and on, but I'll leave that up to you guys. What else would you like to see them do? Why? How would they go about it?

Submitted by Sara as a comment, but we think it's worthy of standing as a post. Thank you, Sara.

69 comments:

moi said...

"Stop dressing the kids indentically....Identical outfits are cute at Christmas time or in family portraits, but completely unnecessary on a day-to-day basis.

But how to explain to Gymboree that their matching freebie sets will no longer be needed??

Anonymous said...

I have thought for a long time that both of them should read the Christian book "Love and Respect" by Dr. Emerson Eggerichs.

I am not being rude or condescending or anything of that nature. I am saying that with love. I think Kate, especially, will be quite surprised at what she learns about the way she speaks to her husband (how it is basically the least effective and most harmful way she could ever talk to him). I also wonder if she might act out the way she does because she feels unloved by Jon
in some way. I don't know, of course, but I highly recommend this book to them (I hope they read these comments).

I really think their marriage could benefit greatly if they read this book. I hope that they also want it to improve from where it is now.

Anonymous said...

1. Stop treating the house as though it is a movie set. It is not.

a. Remove all heavy duty lighting since it must be oppressive to work under. It has been reported that the lights are intense and hot.

b. Have Figure 8 figure out how to redo the film to "add in a light source" to the final cut.

c. Do not put mikes on any of the children at any time. The parents can wear mikes, just not the children. If their voices cannot be heard, so be it. We don't need verbatim, onscreen subtitles either. These children are acting like kids. Sometimes what they say is mean and hurtful and at other times it is ridiculous and silly. Just because a child tells a sibling that he/she is not "normal" does not mean that that child hates his/her sibling. Children say things all the time that they do not mean. As viewers we do not need to hear everything said by the kids.

BeeTee said...

An annual special, instead of a weekly series would be wonderful change, especially if it followed many of the suggestions on what is filmed. It would be interesting to watch how the children have changed and grown over the course of a year. And hopefully, the parents would experience positive change and growth too. The children are what make this show interesting. The parents, not so much.

Angela said...

Do Jon & Kate actually get the clothes free directly from Gymboree, or do they just use all that extra cash they have to buy brand-name clothing? In either case, I whole-heartedly agree that they should stop dressing them identically. It looks so ridiculous. They have those poor kids looking like dolls in their stain-free, identical clothing. It's one step away from those people who dress up their 4 year-olds and put them in beauty pageants.

Anonymous said...

Wow! I'm speechless. Those are wonderful suggestions-a few of which I could follow myself with my family. Wouldn't it be nice if they actually read these and took them to heart?! I know I did. Thank you!

Omommy said...

"Learn more information about health and nutrition. Just because an item is organic, it doesn't mean it's healthy."

I completely agree...on the Plane trip to Utah episode, the kids can be seen eating toaster pastries at the airport. Not exactly a healthy breakfast, and I especially wouldn't be feeding something loaded with sugar, organic or not, to my kids before boarding a plane for hours! Kate needs to step down off her "organic" pedestal and read up on REAL nutrition!

Anonymous said...

Best post I've ever read here. Not knocking this site ~ I do enjoy reading everyones contributions but this post in particular made me respond with appreciation. You'd make a good advocate for these children.

Anonymous said...

I never understood why the kids were dressed alike in the first place - wouldn't it be MORE advertisement for Gymboree or GAP if the family displayed 8 different outfits from their store instead of 3 (one for the twins, one for girl tups and one for boy tups)? I'm pretty sure both those stores have more than three outfits for sale. Plus, it would give the kids some individuality and like someone said upthread, the kids could interchange the clothes and double or triple their wardrobe!

I've been really thinking about the yearly special vs. weekly series and I'd even be ok with something in between. I think the one-on-one days with the kids were really great - not just for us to watch, but for the kids to experience. You know they would probably never happen without the show, so those days could fill up 8 episodes. They could have maybe two or three more episodes for holidays or special events and that's it. None of this 50+ episodes in a season and being too busy taping your "life" that you forget to have one.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how much they ARE shooting per episode beyond what we see.

Better planned episodes means less waisted footage and less time needing to film.

There is a reason for all these hour long episodes - They have so much usable footage so they use it.

beachluvin said...

Looks like Kate has found another way to make money for her family. Although I don't understand why Grainpower would team up with Kate Gosselin to represent parents trying to make cost effective lunches, this is a way other than exploiting her kids to make income.


http://www.napsnet.com/articles/59279.html

http://grainpower.org/contact.asp

Anonymous said...

I'd like to see Kate actually be of some help to other moms of multiples instead of complaining about it. There was an article in American Baby this month called "Managing Multiples" and it was all about the challenges and rewards through the stages of pregnancy, postpartum, first year, toddler years. It was nicely written and contained a lot of insight from families that had been through it. On the second to last page there was a section titled "What Works in Real Life" that had helpful hints from a mothers of mutliples group in MI. Then down below there was a small picture of the family along with Advice from Kate Gosselin, of TLC's Jon & Kate Plus 8.

Here's what she had to say. "The most difficult part of having mutliples is that we don't know what having one baby is like! We have never been able to sit and enjoy just one baby."

Is she for real? I had already quit watching the show and enjoy this site, but never felt compelled to post anything until I saw that useless statement meant to be "advice" for mothers of MULTIPLES. At that point I was really upset because there are plenty of people in the world who would be grateful to have any children at all and she's whining because she's always had more than one. Give me a break lady. If she wanted to just sit and enjoy one baby perhaps they should have just adopted one to avoid the risk of more multiples. I would certainly have been disheartened to read that if I were a mother expecting what Kate seems to think is just a burden because apparently if you have more than one at a time babies just aren't enjoyable. I haven't seen the P&G interview yet, but if she was this "helpful" during that I can only imagine the sponsors were less than thrilled with her plug.

5monkeys said...

Do Jon & Kate actually get the clothes free directly from Gymboree, or do they just use all that extra cash they have to buy brand-name clothing?

It's free. I have seen at least one blog comment posted here from an eyewitness who happened to be at the same place as Kate when picking up the free Gymboree clothes. Not only in her area, but elsewhere in the US, too. She had to sign for them.

5monkeys said...

I would like to see J&K do the following (not in any particular order of importance):

~Turn the cameras off, and let your kids live a normal life. Update everyone with specials once or twice a year.

~Get real marriage counseling.

~Give back to the community WITH the children helping. On a regular basis. It could be donating meals to families in need, donating clothing, have a garage sale and donate the proceeds to their church or whatever organization they choose, etc.

~Reconnect with family and friends with whom they have lost touch.

Kristen said...

Don't be surprised if you see all of your suggestions on the show soon..because you know...they don't read here or anything! ;)

Barbara in VA said...

Yikes! Please take the mikes off Jon & Kate, too. I for one have had enough of their voices whining and explaining and badgering and complaining for two lifetimes! (In response to above poster)

Anonymous said...

"Do Jon & Kate actually get the clothes free directly from Gymboree, or do they just use all that extra cash they have to buy brand-name clothing?"
J & K get all the children's clothes for free but in the rerun of 2007 July 4th parade episode, she says to Jon, 'why do I waste my time BUYING the children clothes'. This was said while she was having a hissy fit because the weather was not cooperating and the tups would have to wear jackets covering their 'OUTFITS'.

Anonymous said...

I think the suggestion about educating oneself about nutrition/health issues is critical. I just can't believe this woman is a nurse. She thinks organic means you'll be less likely of getting sick. Remember WDW and them all being sick from eating non-organic? She also refers to a stomach virus as "the flu." Influenza, which I hope the children receive vaccines against is a respiratory virus. She also needs to quit blaming everything on "low blood sugar." Do they have insulin issues, or are they on a sugar roller coaster w/ little protein?

Anonymous said...

Those are excellent suggestions!! Here's my 2 cents to Jon and Kate: Instead of advertising on your website how Christian you claim you are, show us (and your kids) concrete examples of Christainity in action, don't just talk the talk, that doesn't cut it, walk the walk

Pastorsgurl said...

Organic down to Jon's "aldergador" shoes.

Anonymous said...

In J&K's case, perhaps some sort of reconciliation between them and various members of their extended family would be beneficial, but I have to disagree with the notion that "family is family" and you should just forgive and forget. Sometimes family members to become estranged, and sometimes there are VERY good reasons for that. I speak from personal experience, unfortunately.

It appears that there is no legitimate reason to cut Kevin and Jodi out of the kids' lives, and I hope that in time that relationship is restored. I haven't seen anything regarding the rest of the family that leads me to believe that J&K MUST automatically reconcile with them. We see what's on TV, and we read what we can on the internet, but unless we've been part of J&K's inner circle of family and friends, we really don't have the insight into those relationships to assume that a reconciliation is for the best. Perhaps it is, and perhaps it isn't.

I agree with pretty much everything else on your list though.

Anonymous said...

"Yikes! Please take the mikes off Jon & Kate, too. I for one have had enough of their voices whining and explaining and badgering and complaining for two lifetimes!"

That is one reason, besides the obvious exploitation of children that I had to stop watching. Listening to them ramble on about their version of events is boring for lack of a better word. IMO, it would better serve the purpose of show if the children were to talk of their experiences in their OWN words! But as many have said, children often speak the truth and J & K will have none of that on their show!

Sara said...

RE: "Sometimes family members to become estranged, and sometimes there are VERY good reasons for that."
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I completely agree with you that sometimes a person has good reasons not to associate with certain family members, and I have a similar situation with an aunt. But from what we've seen with the way that Kate has banished Jodi and Kevin from their lives, I can't help but think that her reasons for not associating with other people in the family might be a tad petty too. I'm not stating this as a fact- I do not know the family. But I would just like to know her excuse for not reconciling with Jodi. She relied on Jodi over and over and OVER again to be the kids' secondary caregiver, but then felt it was her right to sever the bond over something as absurd as money.

Anonymous said...

Yes, it IS boring. It seems that most of the program now takes place from that chair where Jon starts to say something, even after being encouraged by Kate....and she cuts him off and finishes off the topic.
It is very boring to hear them recount where they went and what they did, with little clips of the children being shown now and then. I really don't want to sit across from them and listen to them talk about their vacations, etc..

ThreeFarmers said...

I would like to invite Sara to Illinois to tell me and my family what to do.

Anonymous said...

Those are some wonderful suggestions for how Jon and Kate can become better, more responsible parents, particularly the one about scrapping the show and going back to yearly updates. The children need their privacy and a chance to live their lives without cameras in their faces 24/7.

I do have to say, though, that I'm baffled by all the comments about how the children are fed. Organic food may not be the miraculous nutrition that Kate touts it to be, but it's a great deal healthier than preservative-laden things the average non-organic diet contains. The children are not obese. The children are not emaciated. The children do not appear to be malnourished, nor do they seem to complain about being hungry (and these kids are hardly ones to keep complaints to themselves). Most meals we have seen them eat include fruits and vegetables. Unless I'm completely missing something, it seems to me that Kate is doing a decent enough job, nutrition-wise.

There are enough serious, legitimate things to criticize Kate for (such as showing blatant favouritism to her female children, leaving a sick child in a laundry room, foisting off all her parental duties on nannies and a severely whipped Jon) that I think the children's seemingly healthy nutrition shouldn't even be a blip on the radar.

Anonymous said...

I agree. Obviously with #1 but especially with dressing the kids identically. I hate when moms of multiples do this. They are different people and need to be individuals. Dressing them alike, putting them all in the same class, not letting them have individual friends is going to hurt them when one day they are thrown into the real world.

Anonymous said...

"She relied on Jodi over and over and OVER again to be the kids' secondary caregiver, but then felt it was her right to sever the bond over something as absurd as money."

I wonder if J & K will ever give viewers a reason as to why Aunt Jodi and her family are no longer present in new episodes?
Although the primary focus of the show was not that of Aunt Jodi it was obvious that she played a significant role as J & K entrusted them in her care on many occassion. Same can be said with regards to Beth and the twins BFF, Beth's daughter. J & K owe the viewing audience an explanation considering these people obviously WERE a part of their DAILY LIVES. But then again, J & K have specifically stated where their loyalty lies , 'the show is our life, and the life is our show'. In the words of Kate, you can stand WITH me or against me. IMO, it is extremely sad to define your life in terms of a tv reality show to the extent that family and friends are easily disgarded when their purpose is no longer beneficial to TV ratings.

Anonymous said...

I agree with all of these except the nutrition one...yes, her harping on things being organic is annoying, but it seems she feeds the kids really well. My bigger problem is that she is NOT the one feeding them. On her site she claims that craft services are provided only on production days so she can possibly think about getting anything done! Well, if your show is real life as you claim you should be preparing 3 meals a day on days that they are filming...I don't get it.

OK, so I agree with all the suggestions and would add that Kate should please read to the kids and get out into the community more in a normal way. There is no reason this family should be such a spectacle and there is no reason Kate and Jon should feel so stressed about their lives being more "complicated" as Kate cried in a recent episode. They have done this to themselves. Stop the show and lead a normal, healthy life.

Anonymous said...

Make the mental, physical and emotional health of each member of your family your #1 priority.

Find a solution to your economic needs quandary that DOES NOT include minor children as variables in the equation. There is currently a nursing shortage in the U.S.` The money is good and healthcare benefits(worker and family) plentiful. Nursing has helped me contribute to my family's income for the last 28 years. It's so worth it(even part time)!

Please Lose your archaic gender bias tendencies.Your kids are people, not twins and septuplets. They are individuals who are all entitled to the same care and affection from each of their parents. The girls are not superior, and the boys are not icky. Kate, Aaden, Colin and Joel are adorable and so personable...I cringe when I see and hear how you treat them. How do you think all your odd ideals will affect them in the future?

Sara said...

RE: "Organic food may not be the miraculous nutrition that Kate touts it to be, but it's a great deal healthier than preservative-laden things the average non-organic diet contains."
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Yes, organic foods are often times more healthful in the sense that they contain less preservatives. I'm just saying that Kate sometimes behaves in such a way that you'd think a case of beer and some pig rinds are good for you as long as they're organic. She "bans" certain things from their diet, like the marshmallow fluff, until she can find one that is organic. It seems to me that in her life, if eveything doesn't stick strictly to her protocol, it simply can't be done. So personally, I feel that it goes beyond the nutrition aspect, to the point that she is rubbing her neurotic tendencies off on her kids. Organic fruits and veggies are nice, organic meat is nice, but if the kids weren't even allowed to have marshmallow fluff until she could find one that was organic, then what's the point of being a kid?

Sara said...

"ThreeFarmers said...
I would like to invite Sara to Illinois to tell me and my family what to do."
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I hope I'm right in taking this comment as positive. The other way it could be read is that I come off as bossy!

Really, I don't mean to act like I'M a supermom, because lord knows I'm not. And it's easier to tell another family what they should be doing than to step back and look at your own in a third person perspective.

I had a hysterectomy and oopherectomy last November, and sometimes, without those hormones, I get HUGE mood swings and snap at my kids and husband, then I feel terrible about it afterward. But the one thing that I pride myself in is that I don't insinuate to my daughters or husband that they need to walk on eggshells around me to appease me and prevent me from going off the deep end. That's where I feel there is a huge difference between Kate and me: in her household, everyone knows that if they don't behave or do everything exactly how she wants, they will incur the wrath of Kate. You can see it every time she tells Jon to stop scratching, or breathing loud, or BLEEDING, or when she freaks out about what the kids are doing, or even when she berated Mady about not brushing her teeth well enough. It's like she has an internal user's guide, and if the protocol is not followed to a tee, the family will implode. I don't really think that's a healthy way for kids to live.

5monkeys said...

Organic food may not be the miraculous nutrition that Kate touts it to be, but it's a great deal healthier than preservative-laden things the average non-organic diet contains.

I think some here feel (myself included) that just because a food is labeled as "organic", doesn't make it superior to other foods.

One of the recent episodes in the Outer Banks, Kate fed the kids organic cheese puffs and organic mac & cheese, from a box. I can't see how those two foods are healthier than their non-organic counterpart. They both had to have had some sort of preservatives added to retain freshness.

What Kate needs to do is learn what types of food is healthiest ~ it doesn't necessarily have to be organic. I have a book that I bought years ago when I had my 1st child, called "What To Expect the Toddler Years", and in it is a section devoted to healthy eating. The author had a saying, and it still sticks with me to this day, that "the best foods remember where they came from". Anything overly processed is not the best choice, even if it's labeled organic.

Healthy eating is takes time to maintain and prepare.

JMO, of course....

ThreeFarmers said...

I hope I'm right in taking this comment as positive. The other way it could be read is that I come off as bossy!

Sara, I meant that in the most positive of ways. *grin*

Nicole said...

Great suggestions, not just for Jon and Kate, but for everyone else! Thanks!!!

Anonymous said...

"...Kate felt it was her right to sever the bond with Jodi over something as absurd as money..." The learning channel offered to pay Jodi, but Kate wouldn't let TLC pay Jodi. I think Kate wouldn't let TLC pay Jodi maybe because Kate thought that she, Kate, might end up with less money. Who took care of Jodi's kids while Jodi took care of Kate's kids for free? Jodi should only take care of Kate's children, if Kate lets TLC pay Jodi. If not, Jodi should not even speak to Kate. Definitely Jodi should NOT be the free babysitter for Kate's eight children. Jodi is probably struggling to make ends meet while Kate continues to rake in the dough: having enough money is very important.

Confan said...

I would like to see Kon truly appreciate just how lucky they are to have eight healthy children. I would like Kate to stop complaining that she never had a singleton baby and how easy those mothers have it. What does it matter as long as they are all healthy?

My daughter's good friend had a baby girl three months ago and she was born three months premature. Baby girl died yesterday. She was only three months old. She never left the Nicu and never got to come home to mommy.

Kon really should learn where their blessings lay.

Anonymous said...

Love the suggestions! Although I think her kids eat very healthy, as far as kids go. I tend to think she goes overboard on the organics and how frequently she talks about organics, though.

Also, what's with all the comments about dressing her kids the same? They all have different faces and hair, so they still look like their own person. And did someone actually say "I hate when moms of multiples do this"? Well, as a mother of twins, I'm sorry if I ever offend anyone! But seriously, my kids usually dress in similar outfits but in different colors. Sometimes, they dress the same. But you need to realize (and I don't know if Kate's kids are this way - never seen footage of this) that when we're in the store choosing clothes, they usually pick the same thing. And if I bring two different outfits home, they tend to fight over one of them. I'm sure mothers w/out multiples probably never think about the fighting issue. It is easier to dress them the same then deal with a 30 minute fight each morning.
ALSO, twins are very aware of what is theirs. They share so many things, must they share clothes too? Based on my experience (most of my kids friends are twins) young twins know which outfit is theirs and they DO NOT share outfits. Perhaps this will come as teenagers. So if her kids are like mine, they would not have a more expansive wardrobe if they always dressed differently anyway.

And if I had 6 kids of the same size, i would definitely dress them alike if taking them into crowds. I do this with my 4 yr. old twins. It makes it a lot easier to find them w/out having to look too hard!

cardamom said...

Sara, thank you for your well-thought-out post. I agree that these are suggestions that everyone could use--not just Jon and Kate.
However, I have a few other suggestions:
Even though I do not like the idea of children being in the entertainment business, I do realize that it is a fact of (modern, Western) life. I agree that if filming the kids were limited to once-yearly updates with restrictions on the type of situations permitted to be filmed, I would have less of a problem with the G's kids being on TV. Also, if the kids were to do a print ad for a clothing company or a commercial, the shooting would last one, maybe two days, tops and they would be paid a lump sum as well as residuals (hopefully put aside for them when they reach 18 or 21). I'm not saying I agree with putting kids in show business, but I think it would be less damaging to the kids in the long-run than this reality tv debacle. Also, IMO, money made should not be used to support the parents (not for their current lifestyle or for retirement).
Jon could get a job or be the stay-at-home parent. Kate could definitely go back to nursing as there is a shortage in most areas for qualified RNs. (My MIL is a school nurse and makes a decent salary with good benefits, normal work hours, and summers off --as well as school holidays.) Or, J&K could go into the professional fund-raising field. They seem to be very good at getting corporate sponsorship--why not use those talents (and "celebrity") and work for a non-profit agency? The salary won't be enormous, but it would be enough to make a decent living, IMO.

b said...

Let me back up the gender bias issue. It breaks my heart to hear this woman speak so poorly of boys. Boys love their moms so much, and she rejects them on t.v. time and time again. So sad.

Also the complaining about her life with multiples. Not because I think she's talking down to those of us with singletons, but because I think she's missing out on the blessing that her kids have in each other a special and beautiful bond.

Nancy said...

"....I think her kids eat very healthy, as far as kids go. I tend to think she goes overboard on the organics......"

I have to agree. Although the lunches Kate served when the kids were younger appeared somewhat scanty, I imagine Kate knows how much food her own kids will eat at a meal. The kids are not shown snacking, although they are constantly drinking. I see nothing wrong there except that they do drink more than they need. I grew up in a non-snacking family and none of us felt deprived.
I'd appreciate it if she didn't babble so much about "organic", though. Organic can be a good thing, but families can't always afford it in today's bad economy. If a box of organic mac-and-cheese costs $2.49 and a box of store-brand costs .50, most moms of large families on a budget will buy the 50-cent box.
Kate is fortunate that her KIDS have earned enough money so that she can buy organic.

bri said...

"Kate could consider becoming an author, perhaps of childrens books, because she seemingly likes to write."

And she makes up words, like Dr. Seuss.

RE: the organics and nutrition, I do not think it's possible to go overboard on organics. Before artificial pesticides, growth hormones, and antibiotics were invented, "organic food" was just "food". It's better for us, and the environment. However. Organic monkey munch is not much better for a child than Oreos. The sugar content is WAY out of control- the juice they constantly suck down is horrible for them. Their portion sizes are often too small and are heavy in white flour which is just as bad as sugar. Forget about cereal. Eat whole grains, unprocessed foods, healthy fats, and lots of veggies and fruit (instead of one friggin piece of broccoli)!

I'd also really like to see all the kids in some sort of school. Not necessarily a really structured/rigid school because they have too much control at home- a Montessori or charter school where their individual personalities would be allowed to blossom and they could begin to learn some useful, basic concepts. Generally I am a proponent of keeping kids home as long as possible (as a former daycare and preschool teacher) but J&K have shown themselves utterly incapable of the patience, understanding and energy to guide the children through the stages of development properly. They need some responsible, kind adults in their lives.

Barbara in VA said...

I'm sorry, but Jon working for a non-profit? You must be kidding. That would entail the earth stopping and spinning in the opposite direction, wouldn't it?

funkycatt said...

In regards to the matching Gymboree clothing (which I myself love) I agree with an above poster who suggested Gymboree would have MORE of their clothing advertized if they didn't match. One thing that Gymboree is known for is their "lines" of coordinating clothes. Lots of moms out there buy ALL of a single line, just because they think it is cute. So the kids could wear coordinating, but not matching stuff. Not only would they get to be individuals, but look cuter in the process.

I also agree that kids will fight over things a lot. But sometimes it works to assign them a color. My sister always got pink, I got whatever other color they made. (We loved to match but weren't twins).

On a more serious note, I would really like to see Jon and Kate go to marriage counseling. And I've said it before, but Parenting Classes or Child Psychology.

Personally, one of my goals in raising children is to do right what I think my parents got "wrong." No offense to my parents, because they did the best they could with 7. But Jon and Kate don't seem to be trying to do that. They yell at, belittle, make fun of, yank by the arm, and minimize the feelings of their children. It seems that they would make it their goal NOT to do those things.

Anonymous said...

She really has to let her kids get *messy*. The poor kids go places where they're surrounded by fun messy stuff (cupcakes) or where there are tons of kids who get to do fun messy stuff when they don't (Crayola factory), and it makes them miserable.

I'm watching the Crayola factory episode on the Wednesday night marathon, and I caught something I missed before. When Kate refuses to let even the twins use markers, Cara says, through tears, "It would be so much more fun if it was just me, Mady, and Daddy!" And she's so right. Kate strangles all the fun out of fun activities.

The kids are already missing out on so many aspects of having a normal childhood. It's unfortunate and cruel that Kate's depriving them of the right to have fun the way they want.

Anonymous said...

I am so glad I found this site, it's refreshing to find out that there are so many others that share the same feelings on this issue. My husband and I have been die hard JK+8 fans since the very first special aired. We set our DVR for Monday nights and never missed an episode. My husband has long had issues with the way Kate speaks to Jon and about 6 weeks ago we started notices striking differences in the way the kids were behaving, acting out, etc...upon finding this and other blogs we have canceled recording the show and won't even turn it to TLC if JK+8 is on. It saddens me to see a family so incredibly blessed with precious, healthy children and financial stability throwing it all away for a little taste of fame. I cringe to think how it will all end up and what regrets they will eventually have.

Omommy said...

Ok...here I go again on the whole "organic" thing...

It is not that I don't think organic food is great...I myself buy it whenever I can. However, Kate gives the impression that just because something is labeled organic, that means it is good for you, which is completely not true!

And, why did she make such a stink about "organic" marshmallow fluff, and then in the "campout" episode, you can see the kids eating regular old marshmallows (the same brand that you get at any normal grocery store), just like every other family in this country would!

Sharla said...

The optimist in me wants to think that someone finally explained to Kate that organic doesn't automatically mean better or healthy and that organic junk food is still junk food. The cynical side says that the person who is now doing her shopping knows that and is buying accordingly.

Anonymous said...

Exactly!
Now, I see nothing wrong with feeding kids marshmallows as a treat. Everyone needs a treat now and then. But I laughed out loud when she said with relief "we found organic fluff, so now we can make..." whatever it was they were making at the time.
I also laughed when she said that her kids are allowed to eat lollipops, now that they found organic lollipops. So funny.
My kids don't eat lollipops. I would like to take credit for that, but honestly they just don't like sweets. But if they did, if I gave sweets as treats once a day, then who cares if it's organic? They wouldn't be eating enough of them to matter.
I do feed my kids organic milk, religiously. But I don't preach to my sister who hasn't bought into it.
That's what I meant when I previously said she goes overboard on the organics. I wouldn't criticize anyone for choosing organize meats, veggies, etc. But to get so excited about organic lollipops! It made my night! :)

I also have to laugh at all the comments regarding portion sizes that she gives the kids. I laugh because I always thought she gives them HUGE portions! My 4 yr. old twins eat next to nothing. I have always been impressed with the amount of food Kate's children will eat at mealtime. And they eat a lot of variety, too. Feeding has always been an issue in my house, ever since babyhood. So from my perspective, I wish they ate as well as her kids. And I also don't think they drink too much juice. I give my kids 1/4 juice and 3/4 water in each cup. So maybe her kids are getting mostly water. Also my one daughter is always dehydrated, which causes real issues when she is sick. So I would be thrilled to have her carry a cup around with her all day.

Anonymous said...

My two younger sisters have nine children between them, and they've been chattering about this show for a while. Their opinion is mostly negative, and mostly centers around the exploitation of the kids. Last night we were all at one of their homes, and they had me watch several episodes in a row. Afterward, they asked me to go to this website and post my thoughts. Here's why: I don't have children. I don't want children, never did. I don't even like children. I don't think they are cute, adorable, precious or any of the usual terms. To me, even my nieces and nephews are simply annoying. I don't want their sticky-fingered hugs or germ-ridden kisses, and I have no capacity or interest in having conversations on a child's level. I like the life the two of us have, the peace and quiet, being able to go where we want when we want, not having to deny ourselves anything because "the kids come first". And the thought of pregnancy and delivering one baby (let alone six at once)horrifies me. So with that background info in mind, as my sisters asked, I'll give my thoughts after seeing the show: I wouldn't begin to recognize the signs of kids being affected by the exploitation. To me they act as insufferable as all other kids I've ever had to bear witness to. I feel sorry for their neighbors and for any innocent bystanders in public or private whose space they invade without paying for it.

But, I see a lot of me in Kate. In her body language, her attitude, and her commentary. She is one self-centered individual, like a rooster who thinks the sun comes up every morning just to hear her crow. She's all smiles when she gets everything her way, but heaven help the world when she doesn't. I wouldn't in a million years take her for someone who would or could handle eight children without having a nervous breakdown, unless she could shirk off as much responsibility as possible on to others. The line she repeats at the beginning of every episode confirms this "I could very well lose my mind". In fact the main difference between her and me is that her husband is tantamount to a ninth child. They married young, perhaps she didn't think it through, but someone with her ruthless ambition couldn't have stayed with an uneducated, unambitious man-child like that had the whole sextuplet/TV show thing not presented itself, and if he has a brain, he should have his own lawyer looking out for his interests separately from hers...for the time when the producers tell Kate that ratings are low and the show needs something to pique viewer's interest...something like a divorce, and the "plight" of a single mom trying to raise twins and sextuplets.

ThreeFarmers said...

They married young, perhaps she didn't think it through, but someone with her ruthless ambition couldn't have stayed with an uneducated, unambitious man-child like that had the whole sextuplet/TV show thing not presented itself, and if he has a brain, he should have his own lawyer looking out for his interests separately from hers...for the time when the producers tell Kate that ratings are low and the show needs something to pique viewer's interest...something like a divorce, and the "plight" of a single mom trying to raise twins and sextuplets.


Woah, great post. Never saw that ending coming. I laughed. I cried. It became a part of me.

I've said this before, but as horrible a wife as Kate is, she would make an even worse ex-wife.

Ratings bonanza.

Christian_N_Daniel_Mommy said...

I have often wondered why every place they live in is "too small." I know a family of 8 who lived in a 2 bedroom house and grew up there. They converted the old garage into a den, which later became the 3 boys' bedroom and the 3 girls stayed in one of the 2 bedrooms, parents stayed in the master. The bedrooms were very small, they had a tiny kitchen, tiny living room, tiny bathroom, tiny backyard, etc. but that is the happiest family I know. They have always acknowledged how "blessed" they are to even be living in a house and having as much love as they do in the house. They have always said that God will take care of them and they trust Him to do so - they never, not once asked for anything or thought that anyone owed them anything. Kate is always saying how "God" will provide but then complains when He does. Lately it doesn't seem like she's trusting so much GOD to provide but all of her loyal fans, the network, and all of the companies who want to use her children and her household and an ad board. Kate, if you're a Christian like you say - give up your earthly possessions, quit focusing on fame and fortune and focus on your family and God and He WILL provide for your family - unless of course, you don't think He can meet your needs as well as TLC and F8F can.

Anonymous said...

Just one piece of advice, there was an episode on Nanny 911, a family with 3 sets of twins, all acting out simularly to J&K's kids. The Nanny's advice was right on, the kids were whining and hitting because they didn't know how to communicate, when I wasn't looking, I could have sworn I had TLC on..

Barbara in VA said...

I think maybe we all forget that we are not talking about parents with two of the greatest minds of their generation. My personal opinion is that Kate is an "I want this NOW" person and so jumped the gun with the fertility treatments, talked some doctor into doing them both times completely out of protocol because she wants what she wants when and how she wants it.

Anonymous said...

In reference to #11...

As a mom who is making efforts to "go green" I would love to see Kate more concerned with all the toxic chemicals in her house and all the trash they generate every time she feeds them a meal on paper plates. What difference does it make if you feed your children all organic food and then clean up the kitchen with highly toxic chemicals while your children are standing right next to you? And why teach the children about recycling and then continue to use paper plates for meals when they clearly generate excess waste?

Anonymous said...

1) I would like to see Kate stop referring to herslef as having OCD unless she actually does. Its not a joke, its not fun and as a nurse, she should know this. Being rediculous about your cleaning and laundry is not OCD

2) Stop saying the kids blood sugar is low. Are they diabetic or something? Just say they are hungry for pete sakes.

3) Play with your children! Nothing bothers me more then watching Kate sit on her butt while Jon plays with the kids then yelling at him if he can't watch all 8 at once when she is doing nothing!

4) Stop acting like the world owes you something just because you have 8 kids. I read a question where someone asked her advice on the upcoming birth of their child and she responded with something like "well we never had just one kid." or something like that. So what?!? Just answer the question or don't but stop looking for pity just because you have 8.

5) Be greatful for what you have. She has said in the past that if she could have looked into a crystal ball and seen 8 kids she would have never done it. She had a choice! reduction was an option she wouldnt take and there are people out there who can't have kids who would do anything to have a child. my husband and I are facing fertility issues and I would be blessed to have any number of kids and here she is saying she wouldnt have done it if she knew she was getting 6. BAH!

Anonymous said...

This is absolutely right. No child should have to grow up in the spot light. And how often have we heard that Jon and Kate love each other, but only see them bicker.
The only thing I slightly disagree with is the kids in identical clothes. My sister and I are wighteen months apart and always dressed alike. This was because, as my mother said, "if one of you got lost, I could say, she looks exactly like this one except taller/shorter," though I don't think that would be a problem in their case.

Anonymous said...

Anon. 9/16 said: As a mom who is making efforts to "go green" I would love to see Kate more concerned with all the toxic chemicals in her house and all the trash they generate every time she feeds them a meal on paper plates. What difference does it make if you feed your children all organic food and then clean up the kitchen with highly toxic chemicals while your children are standing right next to you? And why teach the children about recycling and then continue to use paper plates for meals when they clearly generate excess waste?

She actually was concerned about both, she uses plastic segmented plates now, but I'm pretty sure she mentioned worrying about the trash volume. As to the chemicals, when Sara Snow was there they talked about using vinegar, etc. to clean. Kate said that she remembered her grandmother using "natural" things like vinegar to clean.

Anonymous said...

I thought the same thing about the paper plates...if she's so "green" and organic, why is she throwing away so many paper products and water bottles? I think she likes the idea of eating organic and being able to say her kids eat organic.

And she is so NOT ocd or a germaphobe...she leaves potties full of pee around until Jon dumps them out, and why are 4 year olds peeing anywhere except the bathroom? Maybe keep an extra potty in the bathroom and one in the downstairs play room ICOE.

Anonymous said...

Regarding "going green"-

Kate couldn't care less about the environment. The show with Sara Snow was just another attempt at organic fluff to fill an episode.

Kate is plain and simply, an ignorant wanna-be. She likes to claim "green" , "organic", etc, because she feels these terms/labels make her "upper class", which is her ultimate goal. Why do you think she LOOOOOOOOOVED Beth so much ? Do you think it was because of what we ,the viewers, saw ?
(kind, loved the kids, generous) Kate idolized Beth because Beth represents what Kate so desperately desires for herself. Much like the Kate lovers of the world.

Anonymous said...

I sent an email to Kelly Ripa stating that I did not feel that the Gosselins should be featured on the Regis and Kelly show...

Anonymous said...

I thought the same thing about the paper plates...if she's so "green" and organic, why is she throwing away so many paper products and water bottles?

I remember the episode where she talked about how many paper plates they go through. She said they switched to paper plates because otherwise she'd be "running the dishwasher twice a day" and she "decided that wasn't for her" (paraphrased). I remember thinking to myself how truly LAZY she must be if running a dishwasher is too much for her to handle--many of us out there do our dishes by HAND!

Also, as others have said, I don't think she's "green" at all--organic to her really just represents a status symbol.

Anonymous said...

I run my dishwasher every day at least twice a day and somehow that doesn't seem to be a huge hardship.

Kate doesn't do mornings, kate doesn't like the outdoors, Kate doesn't make beds....ad nauseum -- and now Kate doesn't run the dishwasher. Kate is one sad individual inside and out.

Anonymous said...

Let's face it folks, Kate's just not, "healthy". Listen to the things that she says and then think about about her actions/reactions. What stable adult that you knows reacts like Kate does,all.the.time.? Furthermore, these comments and actions are recorded....I would have found my way to that little couch at the MD's office after the 1st episode(and cancelled the show too).

John, It's time to wake up, take charge, get Kate some help.... then you both need to seek employment opportunities for adults only. Minor children and multiples need not apply.

Anonymous said...

"Why do you think she OOOOOOOOOVED Beth so much ? Do you think it was because of what we ,the viewers, saw ? (kind, loved the kids, generous) Kate idolized Beth because Beth represents what Kate so desperately desires for herself."

"Kate is one sad individual inside and out."

Kate is a Beth wannabe, but, even if she obtains the mansion on the hill and all the material wealth in the world, she will never have the class and character that Beth exudes. She will never be satisfied and will always be looking to cut the next deal, attain the next freebie, plan the next trip, acquire the next toy or possession. Kate is all about facade and pretense. There is no substance to her. Never has been, never will be.

Anonymous said...

5monkeys said, "I would like to see J&K do the following (not in any particular order of importance):

~Turn the cameras off, and let your kids live a normal life. Update everyone with specials once or twice a year.

~Get real marriage counseling.

~Give back to the community WITH the children helping. On a regular basis. It could be donating meals to families in need, donating clothing, have a garage sale and donate the proceeds to their church or whatever organization they choose, etc.

~Reconnect with family and friends with whom they have lost touch.

9/08/2008 2:02 PM
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Well, Lordy be, they just had the yard sale! Whaddaya know?

Anonymous said...

Ok, just for fun, let's all list the many things that Kate does not do, ACCORDING TO KATE'S OWN WORDS, not heresay, dare the Kate-lovers of this world read this(and we know they do!)and accuse us non-Kate-lovers of making things up:

- does not run the dishwasher
- does not do garbage
- does not gas the cars
- does not like anything outdoorsy
- does not do mornings
- does not do recipes
- does not fold laundry
- does not put away laundry
- does not turn on the air conditioner even when it is hot
(because she can't be doing a scavenger hunt around the house looking for the thermostats- this one is a classic)
- does not do the kids' baths


I'm sure I missed some. C'mon everybody, help me out!

Anonymous said...

Kate certainly does not do special days out for the Gosselin Boys... she'd have probably ruined them anyway with her asinine comments and reactions. Jon, smart move (I guess) in leaving the malcontent at home on those 3 days.

Anonymous said...

Kate doesn't do beds (make beds)..
She doesn't ski...