They're Not Meerkats

As a follow-up to our recent blog entry (here), we noticed that Paul Petersen of A Minor Consideration has spoken again regarding the Jon & Kate Plus 8 show:

"Jon & Kate Plus 8" is not the same as "Meerkat Manor." Children are not the same as animals being filmed in their natural state. There are, or at least there should be, rules when children are employed [or participate in] the Entertainment Business. Make no mistake, after four years of their most private moments being broadcast to a nation of voyeurs, the eight children who make up the "+ 8" are 'performers' in every sense of the term. They need and deserve the protection of the Law. But what if there are no Laws? Children in the entertainment business, in case you didn't know, are exempt from Federal Child labor law, and have been since 1938. Pennsylvania has no published child labor laws for kids in entertainment. Ask yourself the following: If anyone in the Gosselin home is being paid, who owns the money? Are there limits to the number of hours a child may work per day, and anyplace they can't be filmed? In the end there is only one question worth asking. "What will become of these children?"

101 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am so happy to see that A Minor Consideration/Paul Petersen is continuing their/his efforts on behalf of Mady, Cara, Aaden, Hannah, Alexis, Joel, Leah and Collin Gosselin. Someone needs to speak out for these innocent children because they cannot do it themselves

Dew said...

But, but--the children want to continue with the show! They told their parents themselves! Mady even put it in writing: "Stay out with cameras only if invited!!!! :-(!"

Anonymous said...

WOW - isn't there ANYBODY within the governing bodies of PA that can do something with this situation?? I just cannot believe that someone can't step in. What on earth is wrong with our society!!????

Hambone said...

"What will become of these children?"


This is it in a nutshell Jon and Kate. You have sold your children's childhood for your monetary gain and fame....period!

It may be all cute and exciting now, but you are headed for nothing but heartache for what you have chosen to do.

Ettie said...

Thank you Paul Peterson for standing up for the Gosselin kids.
They need you to make a difference!

grapecrush said...

I'm glad Paul Peterson is continuing to write about the Gosselins. Keep it up, the kids need someone in their corner and there is strength in numbers.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure this has been sent to the powers that be in the State of PA, but I would like to know what the response, if any, the state gov there makes. People who live in PA, you writing your congressman and others will really help.

Anonymous said...

If the parents don't care about their own children, that leaves nobody to care about them.

iluveeyore said...

The comparison of the Gosselin children with meerkats is an excellent one. Many people believe that since the children are being filmed in their "natural habitat," they are not "performing."

Personally, I don't care as much about the money as I do the psychological and emotional effect of this situation on the children. I truly doubt that they will one day look back on this time and exclaim what a wonderful and exciting experience it was.

I think Jon and Kate will have the same reaction -- but I believe that they know they have dug themselves into a hole and cannot easily get out. They've cut themselves off from friends and family and any other source of income. Normalizing their lives will require a lot of fortitude. Do they have it?

Anonymous said...

I read one of the "Gosselins can do no wrong" blogs and was surprised to see that they were denigrating Mr Petersen under the guise of not knowing who he was.

Yes, that was their argument. They didn't know who he was.

Forget his history, experience and track record. Forget his motivation and his devotion. They didn't care about any of that. They didn't know who he was so he must be ignored.

A silly position all the way around but a very telling one as well because it's the kind of stance people take when they can't provide a reasonable argument against an important and honest message.

Keep fighting the good fight, Paul Petersen!

Some of us are listening.

TashasMom said...

I fell in love with the Gosselin family while watching their first hour long special! I was so excited to see that they were from PA because I was born & raised there, too, even though I now live across the country from there. I have watched every TV show about them since that day and I have read as many articles as I could find. They just amazed me. Until lately. I have never felt compelled to post a comment until I saw the Beach episode where Leah & Alexis were getting their hair braided into cornrows. That's when I realized they had changed from sweet little gitls into little actors. I rewound my TIVO several times but the truth was still there in each frame. It was apparent when Kate told Alexis to smile for her picture & she would give her another lollipop (was it organic??); so Alexis did as directed & then immediately began to cry in pain again & asked where her lollipop was after the shutter snapped. The same for Leah - Kate told her to smile for the camera but no reward of a lollipop mentioned. Leah immediately tilted her little head to the side & showed that wide smile that we have seem before, only this time she too went back to crying in pain as soon as the shutter closed. Trained monkeys could not have done it any better. Those poor little actresses! I'm over 50 & I could not have pulled that scene off! I must also say that I am totaly appalled at how Jon & Kate treat Hannah as if she is their "special & favorite" child on just about every show they have ever been on. All along the other seven kids must sit by & see that they are not as worthy in their parents eyes. A couple of them, Mady & Joel, are even treated down right meanly by Jon & Kate, who say awful comments about those two beautiful children. I am so pleased that Paul Petersen has become aware of this family. He has shown how much he truly cares about child actors in the past so I know that he will do everything in his power to help protect the eight Gosselin children and all children on "reality" shows.

Molly said...

Okay so what can we do now? What CAN we do? What is Paul Petersen doing? Anything except writing on his blog and putting this over here? Any next steps? I've already wrote the sponsors. Please let us know. THANK YOU!

FIONA said...

ILOVEEYORE,

I agree with you post. I think J and K probably do realize that their sitaution is not good.

In the beginning they fell in love with the money, attention, etc...

It is surprising to me in a way that Kate has been able to allow all of this, because I think she suffers on a daily basis with the stress and pressure of the people in her territory.

However, the comment from Penn Mom about the missing item from the frige, Kate calling it stealing, that is so disturbing to me.

Kate doesn't have any gratitude it seems at all.

Can she be helped????

former fan quinn said...

I didn't get a chance to read the article yet, but I love the title. so true

Stewie said...

I just hope this information gets attention and something is finally done. I hope it is not too late for these kids to have a normal life.

Hugabug said...

This is from one of the articles on the A Minor Consideration website. What I like about it is that it articulates for me the nature of the exploitation. Exploitation isn't just the working conditions (i.e. long hours with cameras, lack of privacy, etc.), it is also the expectations put on the children.

The continuing exploitation of child actors, which over-burdens them with adult expectations and responsibilities while still children and simultaneously freezes them in emotional immaturity as they approach adulthood, is predominantly the fault of their parents.

Chris said...

The more this show goes on, the more I'm reminded of "Baby Peggy".

For those who don't know, "Baby Peggy" was a child actress in the early '20s who's parents squandered her earnings. It is believed that she made well over a milion dollars a year for several years.

I truly hope that this turns out not to be the case.

mlou said...

Who has the PP posts been sent to? J&K, Figure 8, sponsors, PA govt?
I am glad that PP has shown serious consideration for the problems we have all seen. I couldn't have thought of a better comparison than meerkats. I just hope that these letters are getting to the right people.

The fact that Facebook people won't listen just because they aren't aware who PP is just shows their ignorance. Regardless of who he is, he has clearly shown that he is a part of a child advocacy group. Any bells going off here.

If a child advocacy group is stepping in then that should show that there is outside concern for these kids. Not just from us "Kate haters."

Anonymous said...

Just curious - does anyone actually know the recording schedule for this show? I'm wondering how long it takes to film a season of J&K and how much private time the family gets.

Paula said...

I just hope and pray the tups are in pre-k. They will at least have a few hours in the day in which they will be allowed and encouraged to be "children".

Anonymous said...

"The continuing exploitation of child actors, which over-burdens them with adult expectations and responsibilities while still children and simultaneously freezes them in emotional immaturity as they approach adulthood, is predominantly the fault of their parents."

I agree with statement 100%. IMO, as viewers, we see the results of these over burdening 'adult expectations' represented in the behaviors of Mady and Cara. I am exluding the 'typical' expectations that parents often expect in the role of older siblings, ie you are the big sister. For J & K to claim that the children are in support of continuing the show is a prime example of burdening a child with adult expectations. Children ages seven and four do not have the intellectual fortitude to understand the complexity involved in the workings of the entertainment industry, such as the contract negotiations, obligations and responsiblities that must be adhered to. For J & K to further say that 'the show is our life and our life is the show further demonstrates that ADULTS are placing extroidenary responsibilities on to these children to define their life in terms of dedicating 100% to appeasing the expectations of all those involved in the production of a reality tv show.

SmartyQ said...

Chris said... The more this show goes on, the more I'm reminded of "Baby Peggy".

For those who don't know, "Baby Peggy" was a child actress in the early '20s who's parents squandered her earnings. It is believed that she made well over a milion dollars a year for several years.

The same thing happened to Shirley Temple. When she demanded an accounting of what happened to her earnings, she learned she had paid for everything and that her parents had squandered what was in her trust. She got about 3% of what she had earned over the years.

Anonymous said...

In response to tashasmom: well done post...Kate did a lot of bribing in this episode, and can anyone tell me if this is the episode where she claims "I'm not one to bribe ??" So what would you call lollipops, strawberries, and a second hermit crab, Kate??

cardamom said...

I'm glad that Mr. Peterson is continuing to look at the Gosselin situation. He has the industry insight and first-hand knowlege about the television/entertainment industry that give him the perpective needed to assess the Gosselin children's issues.
As he states, there are NO child labor laws covering kids in the entertainment industry in PA (or in NC). Parents are entitled to the "care, custody, and service" of their kids (legally if not morally). That means legally, all the money earned from the show goes to the parents. The parents get to decide where that money goes and how it is spent. If the G's decide to put away some money in a trust for the kids--it's entirely up to them-- they are not under any legal obligation to do so.
When the kids are older, they may ask where all the money went (if none was put aside specifically for them.) J&K could hold the money over their heads as a means of control ("do X, and you'll get some money). Or they could simply pull the guilt card on their kids and say something like "we made a nice home/house and life for you eight, that's where the money went! What else were we supposed to do? Don't question us, were your parents and we did the best we could. Besides, we need retirement money!" or any other similar excuse.
Also, more than the money, there is no law protecting these kids from the emotional and psychological effects of having their childhoods filmed for anyone to see. Images and videos that, because of modern technology, will be available for years and years to come. Even when they get older, someone on the street could come up to one of kids and talk about any incident on the show (i.e., "hey Joel, do you remeber when you said 'I have a weiner?' --that was so funny").
The only way laws will eventually be made to protect children in this situation is if enough people speak out.

Serena said...

I am also glad that he is not name calling or making calling them abusers.

Child exploitation IS abusive. There is nothing wrong with calling it that and there is no way to pretty it up.

BlueBedeviled said...

This just makes me so sad. What will it take to make Jon and Kate, Figure 8 and TLC to stop with this exploitation? Do they want to wait until there is a bad outcome? Then they’ll just go, “:Oops, sorry we had no way to know this would happen and even so it really wasn’t due to the intrusion into their every aspect of life as a child.”
I am really angry at all of the users to make a buck off these children. TLC gave me the canned documentary bull, it's no way in heck any type of a documentary. Figure 8 has not responded and I'm writing any and every sponsor I can find. Go Paul! Those kids need a hero.

Sera said...

The backlash towards KON is really starting to snowball. I hope the momentum keeps going forward for the sake of these eight little darlings. More people need to speak out, more people need to come forward. If it takes a village to raise a child, then we need that village to step up to the plate now and do something to make sure these children are being raised right, and that means NOT on TV!

Moons in Leo said...

I sent an e-mail to Governor Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania.

I would urge all of you to do so.

The children are being exploited with cameras installed in their rooms, etc., no privacy, and who is watching their $??

ThreeFarmers said...

I'm pretty sure that when the show ends, J&K will blame we "haters" for telling "lies". I don't think there's a chance in hell they will ever admit that they made some seriously egregious decisions regarding this show and their children. Some day in the future J&K might look over their shoulder, but it will only be to blame everyone else.

That said, I'm so relieved that PP and AMC are acting on this problem. It's like the Cavalry has finally arrived.

Also, for those interested in what legislation is floating around the Pennsylvania State House, you can go to THIS website and learn what bills are on their agenda (currently, the legislature is not in session). There is also a great link further down the page called "Making Laws In Pennsylvania" it is a pdf file that outlines step by step the legislative process in Pennsylvania. It even has a quote on one of the first couple of pages, "There ought to be a law!" which is what is going through most of our minds of late.

Anyway, you can track the progress of any legislation in the works as well as look up what bills have been passes going back to 1975. It will also tell you which bills have been vetoed.

Sort of your all-purpose Pennsylvania law portal.

Anonymous said...

"I'm wondering how long it takes to film a season of J&K and how much private time the family gets."

As J & K state, 'the show is their life and their life is the show" and going by that statement even their 'private time' is dedicated to one aspect or another that surround the filming of the show.
For 'typical' families,activies and events such as 'special days', family vacations, wedding vow renewal and like would be considered private family moments. However, to J & K its just another day of filming and production for the purpose of entertainment and a reality tv show. IMO, J & K have lost all concept of the importance of family 'private time' especially as it relates to the best interest of their children. IMO, there no longer exists a fine line between 'private time' and reality tv for the Gosselin family. Any and all aspects of their life, including that of the children, are subject to filming and the basis for an episode topic and as of late, any 'private time' that does exist is spent on attempts at damage control.

iluveeyore said...

Kate could be the greatest mother on earth (however, if she were, she would not be on tv), but her children would still be in danger.

Those kids are being treated like trained monkeys. They are being subjected to intrusions into their most private moments. They are being deprived of any semblence of a "normal" childhood. Kate herself has written that they are "WORKING." If Kate and Jon are working, what are the children (whose very existence is the raison d'etre for the show) doing? How can you not think that the children are working?

Kate wrote "Our life is the show and the show is our life." What kind of crap is that? How many people would let their kids be photographed by strangers for broadcast on international tv. They have no "sanctuary" to go home to. Their home is a stage.

I don't know why people cannot see what is right in front of them.

Anonymous said...

Moons in Leo...

Could youpost the contact information for the governor of PA, please?

TIA.

Christi said...

As he [Mr. Peterson]states, there are NO child labor laws covering kids in the entertainment industry in PA (or in NC).

That may change in NC, with all the publicity about the Dakota Fanning scene in a movie called Hounddog. There are a couple of articles on the AMC website about it.

As far as filming, I believe J&K have said in the past that they film 3-4 days a week, for most of the year, if I recall correctly. Not sure how many days of filming are needed for an episode.

iluveeyore said...

The following comment was made on another blog. It is a commonly stated "order":

"Everyone just needs to turn the channel. No one is forcing you to watch."

Gee... do you mean if I turn the channel, the Gosselin kids will no longer be exploited?

The kids are making the family's living. The kids have been shown sitting on the potty, biting each other, and having meltdowns beyond any form of "normal" or age appropriateness. Two of the girls will vomit to get attention. You see nothing wrong with that? You don't have to be part of the "parent police" to know that they are not living a "normal" life or a "healthy" life.

Yeah... I CARE!

ThreeFarmers said...

Christi said....Not sure how many days of filming are needed for an episode.

That would depend on which amusement park/vacation/store/doctor's visit they were drug to.

Anonymous said...

Someone also needs to check out the laws in North Carolina since that is where the "rumor mill" has them moving next. Also, if there are no laws on putting money aside for the children, there well may NOT be a college fund!! Maybe they do still need donations and "offerings."

ravello said...

My thanks to Paul Peterson, I am guessing he or his representatives have met privately with TLC and interested parties to discuss his concerns. He commands respect and will open doors.

Many of us have written letters to representatives, sponsors, TLC, etc and we can continue that effort. I think we are being heard loud and clear. We just have not had feedback yet.

Our efforts along with the high profile Paul Peterson will have an impact.

The Gosselin children are definitely being exploited and their lives are anything but normal. Hopefully things get better.
I'm proud of everyone who cares enough to get involved.

Anonymous said...

I luveeyore, I think you have mentioned several times that two of the little girls use the vomit method to get attention. I watch he show religiously and I only caught them mention Leah as being the one who vomits like that. What other girl does this, as I missed it? Of course, they don't show everything and i would bet all of the little girls have tried it as they will mirror other's behavior. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Please, please, please ... somebody get some rules in place before Mady and Cara get much older. I don't want to see an episode about the girls getting their first bras or their menstrual periods. Some things, like going to the bathroom, should remain private. Don't you think it's ridiculous that we have to say this?

Anonymous said...

Great news! Thank you, Mr. Peterson!!

The other "defense" that makes me certain this show is infringing on these children's lives is when Kate says she "normally" wouldn't go somewhere or do something, and because she was so outside of her comfort zone, her behavior escalated to screaming or shaming or some other ugliness.

She's admitting that the show is putting her in situations that compromise her behavior and parenting, yet she continues to sign up for season after season.

That does not support the claim that the children are put first and their well-being is the primary concern.

I would bet my life that any child would opt for a lifetime of play-doh or library books or swinging in the backyard with loving and present parents who act respectfully, vs. seeing the far reaches of the world with parents who are tense and uncomfortable and speaking in ugly and disparaging ways because the journey has brought out the worst in them.

Pastorsgurl said...

editor@people.com
Send an email to People Magazine telling them how you feel about the sighting and them taking pictures of Kon in Hawaii. Can't afford college schol. but can afford expensive pedicures and spa days. Then they pilfer 20.00 a pic and take up "love offerings".

Hambone said...

Anonymous said...
I luveeyore, I think you have mentioned several times that two of the little girls use the vomit method to get attention. I watch he show religiously and I only caught them mention Leah as being the one who vomits like that. What other girl does this, as I missed it? Of course, they don't show everything and i would bet all of the little girls have tried it as they will mirror other's behavior. Thanks.



Actually, all three little girls have done this. Hannah was the first, I think it was season 1 when Joan was babysitting and Hannah was upset that Kon left. She gagged herself from crying and threw up on the floor. Joan asked who did it, and Leah was pointing to it on the floor saying "Hannah did it. Her threw up. " And I think it was Collin telling Joan to "clean dat up".

Then Alexis pulled the same stunt when Kon was leaving them with a sitter, and Jon was steering her to the bathroom with a bucket, while Kate explained how she makes herself throw up when she cries.

And the church episode where they were dropping the tups off in Sunday school class, Leah had the honors of trying to gag herself from crying.

Dew said...

Baby Peggy, Shirley Temple. You realize these were child actors in the 20s and 30s. What kind of society were we in the 20s and 30s in terms or protecting children? A diplorable one. Since then we've made massive leaps. Child abuse is a crime, child actors are better protected, children's education is vastly superior and more universal, and children are considered valuable members of society who should be protected from any kind of harm. But somehow over the course of eighty years, the law has not managed to catch up to child reality stars, who have no protection, and who are similarly situated if not identically situated to child actors, who do have protection. It's like having another Baby Peggy or Shirley Temple in the year 2008, only eight of them. Would a Baby Peggy be acceptable today?

Kristyn said...

I hope some good comes from this. I just do not understand how anyone can think that it's "natural" for a child to have a videocamera shoved in their faces. Have you ever had a photograph taken by a friend or relative when you didn't want it done? You weren't feeling well, it was an embarassing situation, you weren't looking your best--magnify this by a thousand and you have what these poor children go through.

Anonymous said...

I noticed the night of the hospital visit, when they were in the chair, Kate happened to mention that they are "editing so fast" these days.
Sounds like they are CRAMMING enough filming for the season, to keep showing while they are making the NC transition.
Either that, or "editing so fast" now just means that they are pumping out show after show, which probably means MORE HOURS of takes and re-takes and filming and inconvenience to these children.

Ravello said...

Someone mentioned writing to People which is a great idea.

I thought about writing now to TV talk shows that may be featuring them for the book tour. I think the book comes out next month.
In the past they appeared on Today, Ellen, Oprah, Dr. Phil, Mike and Juliet- all shows gave them sugar sweet interviews.

If the shows bring them on to plug the book, I hope they at least ask balanced questions about why they are exploiting their kids. Better yet, don't book them.

ThreeFarmers said...

I think they are cramming and "editing so fast these days" to get as much done as possible before the little ones head to PreK. With them in school, there will be far fewer quality filming hours available to production.

Having the tups in school also raises the question of why Jon needs to be home so much now. Time to get a job, Jon.

K.C. said...

Speaking of the talk show interviews that Ravello just mentioned...Denise Richards got SLAMMED on the Today show for showing her children BRIEFLY on her reality show. IMO at least she was known before her show came out and it was in NO way a show about her kids. In fact, the children were only shown a couple of times. How come these people let KON get away with what is clearly child exploitation, yet they make an example of someone like Denise Richards? (I am not a fan by the way, I just think she is just a good example.)

Moons in Leo said...

http://www.governor.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=512&objID=2998&&level=1&css=L1&mode=2&in_hi_userid=2&cached=true

This link will take you to Governor Ed Rendell's contact page. I sent him an e-mail from that location.

Linda said...

Anonymous said...
I luveeyore, I think you have mentioned several times that two of the little girls use the vomit method to get attention. I watch he show religiously and I only caught them mention Leah as being the one who vomits like that. What other girl does this, as I missed it? Of course, they don't show everything and i would bet all of the little girls have tried it as they will mirror other's behavior. Thanks.


And if I recall, Kate said that she told one of the girls if they vomited on their clothes she was not going to change her shirt.

mlou said...

"And if I recall, Kate said that she told one of the girls if they vomited on their clothes she was not going to change her shirt."

Kate told Leah that if she vomited because of a fit that she would make her wear those clothes all day.Which I find hard to believe, because we all know how obsessed this woman is with stains.

Nadia said...

"Anonymous said...
I luveeyore, I think you have mentioned several times that two of the little girls use the vomit method to get attention. I watch he show religiously and I only caught them mention Leah as being the one who vomits like that. What other girl does this, as I missed it? Of course, they don't show everything and i would bet all of the little girls have tried it as they will mirror other's behavior. Thanks."

When I was a child I use to vomit alot, normally after every meal. It was one of the ways that my extremly stressfull life showed itself, my mom use to tell me all the time that I was doing it on purpose, but I had no control over it whatsoever. I was about 5-6 when this started, by the time that I was 8 I had a bledding ulser, and got my second one at 10, my third one at 12. By age 11 I had stoped eating everything except for a half cup of instant mashed pot. at every meal. It was the only thing that was not painfull. I did that for TWO YEARS. I was a very very ill child and it all stemed for the stress that I was feeling at home
for a number of different reasons. J$K need to wake up and take a look at what is happening to their children. I will deal with the health effects from my childhood for the rest of my life. Will someone step in and save these children !!!!!

Lonnyswife said...

Pastorsgurl said...
editor@people.com
Send an email to People Magazine telling them how you feel about the sighting and them taking pictures of Kon in Hawaii. Can't afford college schol. but can afford expensive pedicures and spa days. Then they pilfer 20.00 a pic and take up "love offerings".
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
I subscribe to People and commented that I hadn't seen anything at all about the G's there. The latest issue is Sept.8.
Is it possible that anyone who saw the interview/photos being done assumed it was People when it was in fact US magazine? Someone mentioned earlier there was an article or photo in US.

K.C. said...

PETA is also speaking out against Jon and Kate+8:

http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/09/jon_and_kate_pl.php

K.C. said...

"Kate told Leah that if she vomited because of a fit that she would make her wear those clothes all day."

I felt sick, (on several levels), when I first heard that come out of Kate's mouth.

I would like to add something...Not only did Kate say Leah WOULD wear the "vomitous" clothes all day if she threw up on them, but Kate was also very clear about the fact that Leah HAD worn her vomit soaked clothes as punishment before. IMO When Kate said, (paraphrase) "Now Leah thinks twice before she throws up because she knows she will end up wearing those clothes all day", it sounded like she was trying to give a parenting tip.

"Leah, if you vomit you'll get NO. CLEAN. CLOTHES!"...Yes, Katie Dearest.

Anonymous said...

three farmers said....Having the tups in school also raises the question of why Jon needs to be home so much now. Time to get a job, Jon.
__________________________________

I really think, that since Jon obviously doesn't have to work, he should go back to school and get his education. He is still fairly young, and this show isn't going to last for the next 35 years. He's going to have rejoin the workforce at some point, he may as well get a leg up while he can.

Anonymous said...

Quote:" Denise Richards got SLAMMED on the Today show for showing her children BRIEFLY on her reality show. IMO at least she was known before her show came out and it was in NO way a show about her kids. In fact, the children were only shown a couple of times. How come these people let KON get away with what is clearly child exploitation, yet they make an example of someone like Denise Richards? (I am not a fan by the way, I just think she is just a good example.)"
If I recall correctly, Denise Richard's ex husband was very much against his children being filmed for her reality show and went so far as going utlizing the legal system in an attempt to ban his children from being part of show.
Whether the court intervened on his part I dont know the outcome of that.
Regarding the exploitation of the Gosselin children. IMO, it seems that any person, including that of immediate family and friends that disagree with J & K's decision to participate in a reality tv show, just dont understand their reasons, are jealous, evil, etc and those individuals are simply banished from the children's lives. As J & K have stated on their revised website, 'they are puzzled' as to why their immediate family do not respect and understand their decision to do a reality tv show. The only people that surround the Gosselin family are those that will equally benefit from the exploitation of the children.
Perhaps Denise Richards is being represented as the 'example' because she is a known celebrity and her image has been associated with scandal on more than one occassion ie public eye celebrity divorce. That being said, I think the more exposure and public awareness that comes to surface
surrounding J & K and the exploitation of the Gosselin children the increased potential of them being used as the 'example' for changes within the reality tv industry. As a previous poster stated, hopefully in the very near future there will be a Gosselin Law in affect protecting minor children from being exploited for the purposes of reality tv.

Christine said...

I never thought I'd say this, but KUDOS to Pamela Anderson for having enough brains (!) to choose to NOT show her two boys in new new reality show. Seriously. All you see is the back of their heads, if at all. Even see knows the implications of what could happen to these boys. Kate should take note.

Anonymous said...

Add Corey Feldman, a former child actor with a troubled past who chose not have his 5 yr old son on "The Two Coreys." He and his wife never even spoke of him.

Anonymous said...

Thank God Paul Peterson is continuing his efforts. This is quite ridiculous when you think about it. Money really does change people. 8 little lives don't seem to matter when they are put against the allmighty dollar. It makes my jaw drop to be honest. Where are the adults here, apart from those who post here and write to people on behalf of these kids? I wonder if, in 20 years, those kids will ever know this blog existed and so many people cared about them. I hope history is recalled accurately for them because it would be a kick in the stomach to think nobody cared you were being used, overexposed, ridiculed to MILLIONS OF STRANGERS and nobody did anything about it, least of all Mom and Dad. They were too busy signing contracts, admiring their white teeth and secure new hair follicles to worry about your well being. I hope they know how many people cared. This is a pathetic situation in 2008. I thought the world was a bit smarter than to be conned by a couple of lazy procreaters with their hands out. There is way too much stupid out there for my liking.

KelCat said...

The Mommy Meerkat is someone Kon should look to for guidance. She treated her little critters better than Kon treats her children. She protected them from the evil of the world- unlike Kon.

Paula said...

Charlie Sheen, Denise Richard's ex, took her to court to try and stop the kids from being shown on the program, but the judge ruled against him. Shame on that judge!!

Dew said...

So Kon has pissed off Peta now? My first thought was oh does Peta protect children in captivity now too?

Anonymous said...

Paula said: Charlie Sheen, Denise Richard's ex, took her to court to try and stop the kids from being shown on the program, but the judge ruled against him. Shame on that judge!!

While it is true that Denise Richards won in court, it was because Charlie Sheen had used one of his kids in an episode of the TV series he was on (he was mayor of NYC, took over from Michael J. Fox). I would think the judge thought it was hypocritical that Sheen then claimed that he did not want to have his children shown on TV. Celebrities are also fond of taking their children to movie premieres where they can be photographed/seen by everyone inlvuding paparazzi (see every issue fo People, In Touch magazine on newsstands).

I have seen Denise Richard's show and for the most part the children are shown playing in the backyard or they are seen from the back.

sabrinasmom said...

Add Corey Feldman, a former child actor with a troubled past who chose not have his 5 yr old son on "The Two Coreys." He and his wife never even spoke of him.

Personally, that's why I don't think the show (The 2 Coreys) is believable. Going back to the Osbournes. Amy, the oldest daughter, did not want to participate. When she came to visit, they still filmed her, they just blurred her out. Sometimes part of her dialogue would be included - you just would not see her in the frame. That makes more sense to me.

If Jon and Kate said "Jon's Mom doesn't want to be on camera."

OK, that's her choice. But she never comes to visit? You never talk about her? (Meaning in the course of a normal conversation) That's what doesn't make sense and makes me think they are "hiding" certain things and that's where the distrust begins.

Anonymous said...

"Charlie Sheen, Denise Richard's ex, took her to court to try and stop the kids from being shown on the program, but the judge ruled against him. Shame on that judge!!"

No the judge saw through it and knew Charlie was just trying to "stick it to" Denise.

Having your children on TV is not abuse.

Anonymous said...

Sabrinasmom responded to the question:

If Jon and Kate said "Jon's Mom doesn't want to be on camera."

OK, that's her choice. But she never comes to visit? You never talk about her? (Meaning in the course of a normal conversation) That's what doesn't make sense and makes me think they are "hiding" certain things and that's where the distrust begins.

I found this link on the "internet/Way Back machine" to Thanksgiving 2006:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070218083020/www.sixgosselins.com/Photos/cat1165179099

It looks like Jon's mom is there ar their house for Thanksgiving. She also seems to be cooking with the twins. In the "FAQ" episode, her absence from the show is explained by the fact that she is divorced and remarried and has a busy job. I wonder if she ever visits when no cameras are present.


I also found a couple of photos of an older white-aired couple...possibly Kate's parents/grandparenst holding babies.

Tracy said...

I checked out the link to the pictures. I am pretty sure that that is Jon's grandmother in the Thanksgiving pictures.

The pictures of the two older people are labeled "Grandma" and "Grandpa". I suspect that they are Kate's grandparents, but could be her mom and dad.

Anonymous said...

"It looks like Jon's mom is there ar their house for Thanksgiving. She also seems to be cooking with the twins. In the "FAQ" episode, her absence from the show is explained by the fact that she is divorced and remarried and has a busy job. I wonder if she ever visits when no cameras are present."
_________
I looked at this and this looks like Jon's grandmother to me. She was in the "Sextuplets Third Birthday" episode when they had the outdoor carnival for the kids.

Barbara said...

The Thanksgiving photos, of which only two are showing, are of Jon's grandmother. All the rest when you click on them you get a message that they are not in archives. I have not been able to see the two older people labeled Grandma and Grandpa. Can anyone else see those photos?

Anonymous said...

I want to thank Paul Petersen for his editorial letter (dated September 5, 2008) that very clearly states A Minor Consideration's position on
J&K+8. Paul eloquently outlines the legal issues that this show has created and I'm confident that he and his foundation may be the catalyst that starts the beginning of the end of this show.

iluveeyore said...

I also discovered a "surprise birthday party for the girls... with all of their best friends."

It looks like the girls are about 5. They are in a restaurant. There is a professionally made cake... and no sextuplets. There goes Kate's claim that she makes them cakes every year. I doubt that she had another 2 cakes at home.

Anonymous said...

"It looks like the girls are about 5. They are in a restaurant. There is a professionally made cake... and no sextuplets. There goes Kate's claim that she makes them cakes every year. I doubt that she had another 2 cakes at home."

I hate to disagree with you, but I dont think that this proves that she does not bake them a cake on her own every year (although I am sure she gets her cook to do it now, if she got her nails dirty she would have to run to the spa). I always bake a cake on my kids real birthday (I only missed my oldest first birthday, but my kids are very young) but I have a nice neat cake (in other words not one that I made) for their party. I try to do as many photo opp's as I can because I am a camera bug.

MomOfThree said...

Speaking of Denise Richards, Corey Feldman, and Pam Anderson, I remember years ago when Anna Nicole Smith was doing her reality show. In the beginning, her son was a "regular in the cast". In the middle of an episode, he told his mother that he did not want to be part of the show any longer. AND HE NEVER AGAIN WAS. Say what you will about Anna Nicole, but at least she respected her son's wishes and privacy. Yet again, the folks mentioned above stood "on their own two feet" as reality shows, meaning that they did not NEED their children appearing to make the shows successful. J & K are NOTHING w/o their brood.

K.C. said...

Barbara said...
The Thanksgiving photos, of which only two are showing, are of Jon's grandmother. All the rest when you click on them you get a message that they are not in archives. I have not been able to see the two older people labeled Grandma and Grandpa. Can anyone else see those photos?


Barbara, I got the exact same thing. The 2 photos of Jon's grandmother, (btw anon--that's not his mother), shows up, but that's it. The rest are not in archives. Anyone else?

K.C. said...

My parents are divorced and remarried. One of them lives several states away from me. This same parent has children with their new spouse, owns an extremely large, demanding business, is the president of a Nat'l Association for professionals, (which requires much travel), gives time and money to multiple charities, is seriously involved with their church, and manages to enjoy some hobbies. Despite all of this, they still maintain a very strong relationship with my daughter, my husband, and me. We see each other about 6 times a year, (7 if it's "their" year for Christmas--we alternate). Plus, we talk, text or e-mail so often that there is no way someone could tape my family, (for even one day), and not end up having something about them on the footage. I have a hard time believing Jon's mother has even half this much going on, plus she lives in their area. It's a short drive away. They think "remarried" and "busy job" explain a grandparent's absence? Even at their grandchild's birthday party? Get real Jon and Kate. I find it insulting that they assume their viewers would believe such a poor excuse. How vague do they think the public is?

Anonymous said...

KC and Barbara,

As of 11pm Sat night, EST, I can see the photos of "grandpa.jpg" and "grandma.jpg" . You can't click on them to enlarge, but you can see the small pics.

These are not Kate's parents. I have seen pics of them and they are younger.

Anonymous said...

KC and Barbara,

Try the link using everything up to and including the word photos (leave off cat and numbers). A page should come up with a number of albums. Go to one labeled "Misc Pictures". The photos are there.

Anonymous said...

At 10:10 p.m. CDST, I just happened to go to the "J&K Plus Eight" Wikipedia article. A entirely new section has been added to the article. The new "Controversy" section details the Paul Petersen/A Minor Consideration involvement and says that the "not repaying evil" statement on KON's website is a response to Paul Petersen. I am happy that this has been added to the Wikipedia site. If this info is on Wikipedia, it will get out very quickly and even the KON lovers will have to question their belief.

Anonymous said...

Kudos to PP for his involvement and to GWOP.

I'm wondering if anyone has contacted Nancy Grace from CNN? KON seems like just the kind of thing she would be outraged by--child expoitation, outrageous disregard for privacy, putting parental interests before what's best for the children. Not to mention she recently had twins so she might feel a personal connection. Seems to me like she is just the person in the mainstream media to show the debacle that is the show.

Anonymous said...

A quote from the Go$$elins' Devotional Page:

"We pray that we make wise decisions and pray they we are able to submerse ourselves in God's word so that we make wise word choices. And above all, never lose sight of the love we need to have for those around us...neighbors, strangers and family alike no matter what!
We are works in progress and that's what we are working on now....repaying good for evil....."


I just think it's quite strange thet they're referring to neighbors, friends and family, the same folk they appear to have alienated everyone who was part of their lives. Or is it that these good folk were just jealous? Appears that they are speaking out of both sides of their mouths here, wrapping themselves in the cloak of godliness.

GreenMunkee said...

A note to Jon and Kate Gosselin:

Turn to Jodi, LOOK her in the eyes, Tell her I'm sorry, I love you and give her a hug.

Turn to Beth, LOOK her in the eyes, Tell her I'm sorry, I love you and gve her a hug.

Turn to Kevin, your parents, Pennmommy, and whoever else the two of you have alienated, hurt, used, lied to and apologize.

After all, isn't that what you tell your children to do to someone they've hurt?

It's never too late. Do it TODAY!

Call all relatives, former helpers and former friends. Sit down with them. Set an example for your children's sake.

Barbara in VA said...

Note on the promo for the camping outting:

I won't watch the show but happened to see the promo.

Kate: Gigantic sigh!
Jon: What?
Kate: (exasperated) You DO ramble!

Is this the most insulting wife ever? I guess probably not, but she's gotta be getting close.

Tracy said...

I had looked at the surprise party pictures yesterday and was pretty sure that the party was not held in a restaurant, but in the garage. If you look closely, you can see Cara letting people in the side garage door, with the shoe racks behind her. Other pictures show all the white plastic chairs they have in there and you can see the big garage door behind where the girls are sitting.

As for the cake, I have no idea whether Kate made it. It looks cute, with a pizza design, but not so difficult that she couldn't have made it. (Not defending ANY other behaviors on J&K's part, just making on observation.)



http://web.archive.org/web/20070319200608/www.sixgosselins.com/Photos/cat1162351008

Anonymous said...

From ANON> 9-6-08 8:11 pm:
I'm wondering if anyone has contacted Nancy Grace from CNN?

I emailed Nancy Grace about a month ago, and included a link to this website, GWoP, encouraging her to check it out. I got a genereated email back saying the message would be forwarded to appropirate department. maybe soon she'll be on the case!

Anonymous said...

2 Comments: Contacting Nancy Grace is great idea, if she gets ahold of this farce, she will not let go of it until she sees change and second, with regard to the little girls vomiting, I sure hope Kon gets professional help with this situation, if I'm correct, vomiting (as in bulimia) on a regular basis is so destructive to the vomiter's teeth, etc.

K.C. said...

I also sent a message to her via the CNN website. I did it around 6 or 7 weeks ago.

Nadia said...

"Tracy said...
I had looked at the surprise party pictures yesterday and was pretty sure that the party was not held in a restaurant, but in the garage. If you look closely, you can see Cara letting people in the side garage door, with the shoe racks behind her. Other pictures show all the white plastic chairs they have in there and you can see the big garage door behind where the girls are sitting.

As for the cake, I have no idea whether Kate made it. It looks cute, with a pizza design, but not so difficult that she couldn't have made it. (Not defending ANY other behaviors on J&K's part, just making on observation.)"

Great observation Tracy. It is in the garage you can see the garage door in a number of the pictures. As for the cake, I dont think that Kate is that talented, but I know one lady who is...

Jodi did you make the cake? If you did, great job!

Anonymous said...

I noticed that on TLC's other programs about large families, such as the Casons and the Sentmans....the fathers have jobs.

Anonymous said...

I just sent one, too:

nancygrace@cnn.com

Anonymous said...

Does anyone happen to know if JK still attend their church weekly?
Do Jodi, her sis, and Penn Mommy attends there also?

I can't imagine how Jk attend church knowing everyone is "on to them"?
Surely the church feels exhausted from them?
Surely people support Jodi?
(assuming they all attend the same church?)

Also, no matter how hard I work my TIVO, I just can't nab some episodes. Like the Jon cooks Korean.
Am I the only one running into that?

K.C. said...

Does anyone happen to know if JK still attend their church weekly?

I read a comment on another site about this recently. It was from someone claiming to be one of J&K neighbors. They wrote that J&K do not attend church every Sunday (at least not anymore). There were similar comments left on an article in J&K's local paper, Patriot News, a few years ago--2005?

"I just can't nab some episodes. Like the Jon cooks Korean. Am I the only one running into that?"

No, some episodes are not aired in re-runs as often as others. For instance, 'Sextuplets Turn 4' and 'Cutting Room Floor', (which incidentally is on tonight, after the new episode airs).

Molly said...

If Kon are forced to start putting the kids profits into trust funds/bank accounts, something tells me that Kate isn't going to like dividing up the income into 10, instead of in half, which is what it is now. Yeah that would pretty much mean she or Jon would have to get a job.

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate do attend church regularly, when they are in fact in town.

We have a wonderful church and Jon and Kate are very welcome there.

A Mom said...

" I find it insulting that they assume their viewers would believe such a poor excuse. How vague do they think the public is?"


I think there are more families in America than fit this bill than many would think.

I am close to several members of my family..but there are holes in the universe where no contact happens.

There are others where extreme rare contact happens.

Statisically if we were J&K...you would have at least seen it once. Several here have mentioned that family members in question have been seen at least once.


I find it rather odd that the family is condemened for not spending holidays with family.

Our family has gotten to an age where I don't like to roam...especially on Christmas any more. I like to build up my own family traditions. Sometimes that includes extended family..sometimes it doesn't.

Each family is different.

Does anyone know the history of the Gosselin family to know if they were one of those extremely close extended families that always gathered and then suddenly Kate put the stops to that.

I've known families who have shifted to the host/hostess when they no longer wanted to travel to the family...but their families have long extended traditions that go on forever.

My family and my husbands family just isn't like that.

Though we are convening soon with his family for an impromptu get together. But for my family--it was a huge chunk of change for travel due to the distance. But this isn't a tradition--just a sudden desire to get together.

A Mom said...

"2 Comments: Contacting Nancy Grace is great idea, if she gets ahold of this farce, she will not let go of it until she sees change and second, with regard to the little girls vomiting, I sure hope Kon gets professional help with this situation, if I'm correct, vomiting (as in bulimia) on a regular basis is so destructive to the vomiter's teeth, etc."

Respectfully:

When I think of Nancy Grace--I have been watching her religiously for a bit while the whole Casey Anthony Saga continues and while J&K are not without mistakes and wrongs in what they are doing...

They are absolutely no Anthony family.

For now--it will remain but a blip on her radar as I think it should be b/c we have a true liar on the loose who can't tell the truth b/c she has no soul.

Secondly--bulimia causes immense damage to the enamel on the teeth and the esophogus for those who engage in vomiting as their elimination of choice. If the child were to become frequent (we don't know the frequency) this would definitely be cause for alarm and would be something her dentist would notice on a routine visit if her enamel is worn and her pediatrcian should be informed about.

In fact--vomiting can be so destructive to the esophagus that it can tear it, maybe even burst it depending on how destructive the episode. I don't think the little girl has bulimia and hope she never gets it.

But to be able to vomit on cue--is a weird trait to say the least.

Barbara in VA said...

You are right about the Anthony family. That is one very sad and very strange situation. I have also been following it. But I wrote to Nancy G. and hopefully when the little girl is "found" or the case taken to trial and resolved she will move on and maybe read our e-mail.

Vomiting on cue is probably an attention-seeking action, don't you think?

Anonymous said...

I went through a university school system, so from elementary through high school, I was in a laboratory school. One year in elementary school, our class was in a studio classroom. We were broadcast live to a college classroom several hours a week. It was supposed to be discrete--fixed cameras and someone in a control booth, not people with cameras following us around. However, it was plenty intrusive. I remember one incident when a classmate was teasing me and I heard a camera zoom in on us. I wanted to melt into the floor, but I was stuck. So many years later, I still remember my humiliation. The Gosselin children's situation is far, far worse. Not in any universe could I be persuaded that these children won't look back on their experience without resentment or distress.

Anonymous said...

They're just not that interesting anymore. They are a spoiled and entitled family. My God, I see them week to week, then on TLC marathons (which I do not watch). For goodness sakes, they do the same dumb things week, after week, after week. Load car. Kate bullies Jon to fetch stuff. And he does. Go to another freaking "attraction" and pretend that they've had to navigate the day alone. And EXHAUSTED. And all the while, the kids are the most disrespectful crybabies. Come on now. They are four. Bibs, pacifers, sippy cups, baby talk, hitting??? Are they not ready for school yet? My god, they should be coloring, writing their names, INTERACTING WITH OTHER CHILDREN. Kate, and Jon, your world is getting smaller with this brood. Let them be who they are. Or how about, let them be who God wants them to be. Not TLC. Or your retirement plan.

Anonymous said...

They do interact with other children. They do attend preschool.

lynn/anon1967 said...

http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZn9TXPPfX4k

Here is a link to the Denise Richards interview on The View. She even mentions J&K as having their kids on a reality show.

http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/ask

Link to contact, ask The View. I think we should all write in and ask them to have J&K on the show, and Paul Petersen is someone else I'd love to see on the show with or without them. I think if enough of us write, someone will listen eventually, and I'm so happy to have Paul Petersen in our corner.