Question for Jon & Kate Gosselin

How can you say that the show is not impacting your children negatively? How can you say that they all want to continue?



Edited with new picture with unhappy face now shown.

200 comments:

Anonymous said...

One word, pathetic.

Anonymous said...

How sad is that. I noticed that on one of the questions on their website was "where are your parents" Kate gave the obligatory canned response about blah blah blah, then she said the oddest thing, Family need to realize my life is the show and my show is my life" Did anyone else notice that? I would have said "my family or even my children" but she said " my show"
Strange, Strange. No wonder the kid craves privacy

moi said...

Mady waved the camera in that direction before the camera filmed the little kids, and then did follow her to her room.

So not only does she have a message for the producers, she knew just how to orchestrate it.

littleangelkisses said...

But I thought the kids all loved the cameras and want them to continue the show!

Anonymous said...

it is time to stop

Anonymous said...

But the problem is, Jon & Kate read that note as, "Oh that's just being Mady. Low blood sugar." We the public read that as, "Hey idiots, this show is affecting your kids. Wake up!"

Anonymous said...

Actually on their site it says: OUR life is OUR show and OUR show is OUR life.

I think that is very gracious of her. BARF!

Anonymous said...

How do you think the poor parents of preemies in the NICU they visited felt by having a horde of little kids rife with germs invade the NICU where their sick kids were? Germophobe Kate does not care about the feelings or health of other kids and their parents.

Dew said...

You can't see it because of the Tivo, but Mady also drew a giant unhappy face on her sign. I'm no psychologist, but don't psychologists usually look at unhappy faces in children's pictures and derive opinions from that?

meghan said...

that's tragic. Had the camera been in there before or something? It's definitly time to stop the show.

Breanna said...

This is very sad and a cry for help. Too bad all Kon hear is the siren song of the almighty dollar

Anonymous said...

I am willing to bet that this shot will be cut out the next time they run this episode in the weeks to come!

Deidra said...

When they were in the condo and Kate is explaining 'The girls stayed with Grandma for 2 to 3 weeks while we were here do you remember that?" I really expected on of the twins to say "Why don't we get to see them now" That would have been awesome!! LOL Loved this episode but it was a total PR move. I thought the check to donate back was like an afterthought.

ThreeFarmers said...

I can't help but wonder just how "wired" that new home in NC is going to be. Will there be any hidden cameras and will the children always be aware they are being filmed. When building a home from scratch, it's really easy to wire things the way you want. Wouldn't it be so much easier if the cameras were in the walls instead of having to step on camera and sound people following you around all the time.

It will be interesting.

Sera said...

If this isn't the warning sign they need I don't know what is.

Niki said...

This can be the cover of Mady's tell-all book in the future.

Anonymous said...

She runs from the cameras all the time. She puts her hand up and turns in the opposite direction, etc. How many ways does the kid need to say "no more"?

Anonymous said...

If that's not a sign (literally) to stop then I don't know what is! Then again kate says the show is her life so I guess if someone is not willing to be taped they can be recasted!

LAP said...

On their website didn't it say that they continue the show not only because they want to but the kids do as well.

HEEELLOOO...this would be a HUGE sign to me that my kids aren't wanting to do this anymore!

CarolSue said...

Damage Control? Yes---

We make many donations to a variety of causes-I've think most donate anonymously-At the very least handed the lady an enveloped with a simple Thank You-Who gives a donation like this?

avidreader said...

How very sad and pathetic. All kids need a safe place at home and obviously Mady doesn't have that place at her house or should I say studio. I used to be a teacher and would see kids that came from horrible backgrounds and school was a very safe place for them. I wonder if that is true for Mady?

Kate makes me so sick. The show about their best and worst moments is on. She is talking about the pine cone scene and how she didn't notice any signs around saying don't take anything. Of course she wouldn't because she only gives a crap about herself. What pisses me off even more, is the crew didn't inform Kate until AFTER they were home, that they saw the signs. something?

Sarah said...

Oh my goodness, what episode is this from? My heart breaks for poor little Mady who is obviously crying out for help...please, Kon, look at the sign and realize what your kids are trying to tell you!!

Anonymous said...

This is a tragic testament to what the "family business" is doing to little Mady. People rag on her a lot about how she loses it, misbehaves, and is a drama queen. I always liked her - I see her as a smart, spunky, creative kid who needs some positive attention. Her note on her door is the answer to "what's wrong with Mady." Give it up KON, you are destroying your children.

Anonymous said...

Serena, Do you think you should just simply email this picture to Figure 8, TLC, Good Housekeeping, Proctor & Gamble and everyone else? The caption could be "Kids' drawings speak volumes."

Anonymous said...

When Kate was talking about the Grandma. Maddy did say something but she was cut off and I did not catch it. She started to ask about grandma. You can rewind it and see what she said. Maddy was sitting in the chair by the window.

Anonymous said...

We know of at least one Gosselin who wants out of the Family Business.

Anonymous said...

When I saw this during the episode - I about fell out of my chair! My heart is breaking for the twins especially, as it seems the cameras are becoming more of a problem for them at this time. Poor Maddy was so unhappy during the entire episode tonight - it just broke my heart. And of course, Kate just chalked it up to Maddy being "selfish" because it wasn't all about her. Oy!! Pull your head out, Kate! Your kids are miserable. It's time to let the show go and focus on your family that you claim to be so grateful for. How about showing it?

Dew said...

That's a good one. Mady is the one being selfish? How selfish of her to want a normal childhood. For God sake, Kate, get a grip.

Anonymous said...

Are we sure that Mady is the one that made the sign? I noticed the !!!! Kate also likes to make a lot of !!!!

Anonymous said...

The kids have formed relationships with the cameramen and producer. I'm sure it was worded to them about continuing the show as, "Don't you want to keep seeing Scott and Jen and ( whomever else is in their house all the time )?" These people are probably the only friends they have left.

The little kids are oblivious to the cameras because it is all they know. Of course Mady & Cara know better, but I was watching the movie night episode and a camera was right in Aaiden's face while he was lying on the floor, and he didn't even notice.

And can you just IMAGINE if it were Mady or Cara who pooped at the condo, and a little kid yells "Mady pooped!" for all her school friends to see? Do they think Collin is not going to be mortified by that in another year or so, when he starts making friends? Oh yeah, they won't have friends because they will be kept in their bubble and homeschooled.
My bad.

At least Kate didn't hollar and criticize so much this time. I guess baby steps are better than nothing...unless she plans on letting loose with the tongue lashings during the camping episode next week.

Anonymous said...

what does the last word say? i cant make it out...

Kristee said...

The last word says "invited." Omg, this is so sad. Mady needs someone to spend some alone time with. She needs to feel as special as the tups are made to feel. I think it's strange that Cara is hardly ever shown, only poor Mady and her outbursts.

Open Eyes said...

My jaw just dropped when I saw this sign!

See- there are so many problems with this whole situation.

1) This is an obvious (literally) sign that Mady DOES NOT want the cameras around. This is not the first time that Mady has displayed behavior of not wanting the cameras around. She puts her hand over the camera numerous times. The episode that comes to mind, for me, was the Disney episode and that was explained away.

2) My heart goes out to the twins. Kate said that they were upset because they were doing something that doesn't revolve around the twins. Does anything EVER revolve around the twins? With the exception of their "special days"- what have we really seen from the twins?

3) I think that it is very important, especially around family, for kids to act like themselves. The tups are too young to really understand what is going on YET. However, the twins know full well that if they have an outburst or a melt down or something, it will probably end up on the show! Imagine how embarassing this must be when they go to school if their classmates see this! If something bothers them- they run off because they have picked up on this element by now. Kids at that age can just be so cruel and it astounds me that neither one of their "parents" can see that.

4) It is REALLY starting to get to me when I go on some proclaimed "fan sites" and they discuss "Mady's behavior" and this little girl gets blamed for it. First of all- the kid is what? 8 years old? How is she responsible for anything?! It is the PARENT'S responsibility to tell their child what is right and wrong and to discipline them accordingly. If Jon and Kate don't take the time to do this- then how do you expect to get anywhere? It shocks me that people are so behind Jon and Kate (Kate specifically) but so ready to throw this 8 year old under the bus. Disgusting.

Anonymous said...

If any of you recorded the episode please watch about 38 minutes into the show. After Kate names the kids for the lady in the chair holding a baby, and they start to walk away I swear I heard something along the lines of "we're getting a baby" from Alexis (?) and then you can hear Jon say something about "getting a baby too" in response. I played it a few times and that is what I heard everytime, but I could be wrong. Let me know what you heard because it's driving me crazy.I heard it when it first played today and thought I had to be wrong, so I had to record the second airing so I could listen over and over again to see. Thanks.

former fan Quinn said...

I already thought that Mady was a sad child. This sign is heartbreaking. If a kid can't feel comfortable in their own home, then where can they?

I blame TLC too...

And the sponsors...

Most of all Jon and Kate!

Savannah said...

I didn't like the segment of ths episode where Kate felt it was necessary to point out how some of the babies in NICU didn't survive yet here they were with their 6 healthy children. What was the significance?
Also, cry me a river....poor Kate-all the stress that comes along with their life because of how well they're known now. Why is that? Hmm....they've thrust themselves out there so why can't they deal with it? They will always find a way to play the pity card over and over. They're just too full of themselves, it's pathetic.

Anonymous said...

threefarmers said...
I can't help but wonder just how "wired" that new home in NC is going to be. Will there be any hidden cameras and will the children always be aware they are being filmed. When building a home from scratch, it's really easy to wire things the way you want. Wouldn't it be so much easier if the cameras were in the walls instead of having to step on camera and sound people following you around all the time.

It will be interesting.

When the Osbournes moved here from the UK, they had their custom home built with cameras and lights just like a set. And we know how those kids turned out.

Anonymous said...

Reasons this show needs to end tomorrow.

1. Madys sign and her constant meltdowns. She is miserable!

2. The show has gotten to the usually stoic Kate. She broke down realizing what her life had become. She is trying to tell herself, its for the best. It's not Kate. Bail!

3. The kids are no fun to watch anymore. They are whiners and screamers, the cute factor is gone.

4. The show has lost its intitial focus, the focus is damage control. They'll never catch up.

5. Bad press. Too much negativity on the internet regarding the entire family.

The list goes on and on.......

Anonymous said...

Kate and Jon know these kids are done filming. But they continue any way. We hear Kate say and write how the kids want the show to continue... but in tonight's episode, they intro the hospital PR gal who helped Daddy with all the interviews, and how the twins were so excited when they first saw Daddy on TV. Kate said, "Now they could care less."

ThreeFarmers said...

I gotta admit. I love the eyebrows on her frowny face. A good face doesn't really need a nose with eyebrows like that. *grin*

Serena said...

I nominate this for Comment of the Week:

"Stay owt with camras, only if invited!"

Dew said...

You mean, reasons why this show should have ended YESTERDAY, or perhaps never even should have been made in the first place.

It's not a question anymore of what damage this might do to the children, it's how they will cope with and comes to terms with the damage that has already been done.

ThreeFarmers said...

"Stay owt with camras, only if invited!"

I think it's "camra" and "invitid".
This dear deserves to be quoted accurately. :)

Meg said...

Jon and Kate are just two people doing their best raising eight kids--six of whom came all at once. That's more work than I can imagine and I only have one child. I imagine the money they make from the show will go to the children's college fund. They'll need it! And I give them LOTS of credit for not choosing to "selectively reduce"/abort some of the children.

Anonymous said...

It seems toward the end of the show when Kate was talking about the time when they were a family of 4 and she started crying, she actually seemed human. Like she somewhat regrets doing the show, the relationships that were broken and her children only knowing cameras in the house as being "normal" for them. That was the first time I was able to feel for her, only because I feel she does regret it but now shes in over her head...in very deep. She knows nothing else anymore. maybe she will change her mind about this "reality" tv.

sis said...

Kate almost had me tonight. I slept through the first airing, and, not being sleepy now, watched the second.

I must be hormonal. I thought I saw something redeemable start to come through. But I think every mother and some fathers get teary remembering their child's birth, and I give her kudos for having to deal with the fact that hers was especially high risk (a risk she took, of course, and I also know that MANY moms go through the same type of thing).

This episode could have been accomplished with the sit down interview and photos and home movies. No trip to the hospital/condo/or RMH was necessary. Those kids didn't understand much. I felt like Kate was forcing them to have "memories". I felt that the doc's and nurses were cool and uncomfortable towards them. It's been 4 years. With many other sick kids on their present radar, the Gosselins are old news to the hospital. That's why they have yearly preemie grad picnics, etc. And I agree with the above poster who said they are pretty infamous now, and not well liked in the area. I place most of the blame for the kids being in the NICU on the hospital "tour guides". I think it only fair to say that Kate did seem surprised and kept the kids at bay as much as she could. I agree they shouldn't have been there, but this was the hospital's job to protect the precious infants.

Her tears did show me that she is quite unhappy. Those were not tears of joy in realizing where they have come from. Those were tears of regret, regardless of how she tried to gloss over it. I guess we have to draw our own conclusions as to what she regrets: loss of family? friends? angry children? disdain from every corner of the universe? Loss of personal time? I, too, think she was honest for one moment, as the tears were uncontrollable. Jon's tone and body language said it all. Life was simple. (ie what have we done, we have no one to share any of this with, etc). Like I said, I think I'm hormonal. Or maybe just overwhelmed with how sad this situation has become.

BUT, after commenting on how grateful they were to have 6 healthy babies, etc. etc., Mady has another meltdown in the condo and Kate angrily says "DAY after DAY with that CHILD!" She counts her blessings as long as those blessings are being cute and compliant. One unhappy child acting out and refusing to be filmed is one too many. Half of those children are going to act the same way, and the other half will retreat as we see Cara doing. Hershey Hospital will be treating all 8 for various behavioral issues down the road. I hope TLC made a donation to the pediatric psych unit.

And is Jon the only one who can wipe a poopy bum? Puhleeeze!

mlou said...

Meg said...
Jon and Kate are just two people doing their best raising eight kids--six of whom came all at once. That's more work than I can imagine and I only have one child. I imagine the money they make from the show will go to the children's college fund. They'll need it! And I give them LOTS of credit for not choosing to "selectively reduce"/abort some of the children.

I beg to differ. Jon & Kate are two people who were not happy with the two children they were blessed with. They took matters into their own hands while they were well aware that they were not financially or emotionally ready for the consequences.

Don't misunderstand me, I am definately ProLife. What ticks me off is that they expect everyone else to pay for their decisions, especially their children. The twins have been tossed aside, IMO, since the tups arrived. Both girls have been going downhill for quite sometime. If you can look at the sign above and still tell me that Kon are doing the best for their kids something is seriously wrong. Also, they do not WORK, they both feel so entitled that this term is beneath them. They have everything done for them. And as far as college goes, yes this is a nice thing to have, especially with today's economy, but If I had to choose between a college education or seeing my kids happy I would choose happiness any day. There is only one word in Kon's vocabulary, MORE!!!

sarah said...

to meg, 10:55pm:

Yes, Kon is trying the best they can to parent 8 children whom are at a very young age, and yes, I imagine it's very difficult. But when did difficult = exploiting children?
It's not as if the money issue is insurmontable, many people DO eke out a living and provide for their families by working a regular job. Why can't Kate & Jon do the same? Kate goes to work fulltime, gets paid a decent enough salary, Jon does free-lance work and looks after the 'tups until they reach school-age. You know, like everyone else does (or wishes they could do).
Even if they ARE using the show's money for the kids college fund (highly doubtful, in my opinion, however), they should have AT LEAST a good enough amount already in there from all the episodes they do; they are paid per episode. (You DO realize they do TWICE as many episodes a season than any other show on TV?)
The 'tups are 4. If you put it in the right investment portfolios and mutual funds with high interest rates, have each kid work part-time through high-school to contribute, access scholarships, and let's not forget donations already made to it, I think you'll find by age 18/19 that the 'tups are all set for college, at least financially.
Now, emotionally and psychologically, on the other hand, I'm not so sure of.
That "college fund" might just turn into a "therapy fund".

Anonymous said...

If you won't listen to Paul Peterson, your families, and thousands of people who care about your children, Jon and Kate, please listen to your daughter.

Stop the madness now.

Do not pass go, do not collect $200 - or $2000, or $20,000. Go directly to the end of this show and the return to a normal life for your children.

If you truly know and are doing what is best for your children, Kate, and if you would do anything in the world for your children, Jon, as you both say you do and would, then get off the roller coaster and end the show now.

How much more plainly can your child speak to you? Please listen to her.

Open Eyes said...

Jon and Kate are just two people doing their best raising eight kids--six of whom came all at once. That's more work than I can imagine and I only have one child. I imagine the money they make from the show will go to the children's college fund. They'll need it! And I give them LOTS of credit for not choosing to "selectively reduce"/abort some of the children.

Okay- first of all we know that a separate fund is set up outside of the show by the state of PA for the 'tups. So the money going toward a "college fund" is thrown out.

And second of all, Kate pretty much said that she regrets having six kids... so I don't think that I would give her that much credit for past or present ways of handling the "stress" of 8 kids.

Actually... I don't give her any credit- she sits and barks orders most of the day- tough job, wish I could have it. And imagine, I do more manual work than her in a day and make less money! Oh what is this world coming to? *lol*

Anonymous said...

I honestly think they need to get Mady into counseling. She melts down so often it really isn't normal. I find myself watching the show and just shaking my head at her behavior. Maybe they need Jo Frost to help them out with this one!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
How do you think the poor parents of preemies in the NICU they visited felt by having a horde of little kids rife with germs invade the NICU where their sick kids were? Germophobe Kate does not care about the feelings or health of other kids and their parents.

9/01/2008 7:27 PM

Kate is gerophobic when Kate wants to be germophobic. She wants to be germophobic when she is telling you everything she does everyday on the hour. If she were truly gerophobic she would not be lazy and she would make sure those children wash their hands after they use those potties. She used to use a hand santitizer which is not designed to take the place of hand washing all day long. I believe the germophobia is a lead-in to I do all this work all day long and to make her feel superior in cleanliness to others.

Ravello said...

Maybe GWOP should consider changing the blog photo on the front page of this site to Mady's drawing. The lovely serene photo of the ducklings does not convey the hellish existence of these kids.

Mady's sign speaks volumes for the misery of their lives. KONS, why dont you listen to your child?

Cara and Mady both looked miserable during the forced field trip to the hospital, Ronald McDonald house, the condo, etc.

Anonymous said...

What a sad sign.

At least it is written in marker so we know she has some access to them.

Paula said...

Meg, kon themselves stated there is no college fund for the tups. As far as raising 8 kids - there are LOTS of people around the world raising 8 kids or more. Kate and Jon Gosselin are not doing anything amazing here other than using their children's lives to make money.

Mom on the Run said...

The Labor Day episode was a PR stunt. The orchestrated tour through Hershey Med. Ctr., the handing of the check to the random Ronald McDonald person, the frequent mention of how "broke" they were back then--all of these statements/actions were designed to make us sympathetic to this family. I am not buying it. For me I thought of more questions: Who paid for the condo? How could they be broke if they were having a house built/finished? Why were Jon and the twins not staying in their home while Kate was in the hospital? How could Kate "obsessively clean tables at the Ronald Mcd house" if she was on bedrest at the hospital?

The note on the door from Mady was extremely sad. I am also starting to wonder if any money generated from the show is going to the children's college funds. Child actors have to have bank accounts/trust funds...but these children are not child actors. I don't understand how two adults and 8 children can exist without one adult working. I would imagine they are spending the money generated by the show to maintain their lifestyle.

This family need to see the letter from Paul Petersen of A Minor Consideration every day in their e-mail inbox. I don't think that there are any adults left in their lives who could tell them to stop the show. The only person mentioned by name on the website was "Bev"--no family or friends were thanked or mentioned.

I also found it curious that Kate mentioned that the twins were not that organized or independent even though they are finishing 1st grade. I wonder if they miss a lot of school due to traveling/filming. Missing any days from school can be difficult for children due to having to make up school work and reform friendships.

dixietrixie said...

Poor Mady! She is so full of anger. Not only the sign in this episode, but did you see her recoil and give a dirty look to the hospital PR woman when they were walking down the hall and the PR woman tried to stroke her hair? Her parents' actions have made her lose trust and respect for all adults.

Mom said...

I thought it was touching.

NO KIDS IN NICU said...

PLEASE post a link to the hospital so we can email them and let them know how innapropriate it was, having a gaggle of kids in the NICU for publicity. Babies fighting for thier lives, SHAME ON THE HOSPITAL.

Anonymous said...

Did anybody catch exactly what was said when they were sitting in the interview chair about their life being so stressful. I could swear Jon said something about it being so much more stressful because people knew them.

WHAT? If that is what he said, did they truly not realize that since they were doing a nationally televised show and parading themselves and their family all around the country they would be recognized?

Anyone catch it?

Ravello said...

"Who paid for the condo? How could they be broke if they were having a house built/finished? Why were Jon and the twins not staying in their home while Kate was in the hospital?"

Follow up comment- It is my understanding the KONS house was undergoing a $50,000 renovation paid for and performed by volunteers, their church and others. I am unsure on the exact value of the renovation, I have read this amount on the Internet. The house was remodeled and enlarged to accomodate the tups. Supposedly Kate was very critical of their work and aliented many of the volunteers.

I attended a love offering and Jon talked about the 40 mile drive back and forth from their old house to Hershey Medical Center where the tups were born. They moved into the Ronald Mc Donald house so they could visit the tups in the NICU and have the twins with them.
Then they moved to the condo as their house was still under construction. Poppy may have paid for the condo. He was involved in their lives and was mentioned a few times when they told this story. Then Poppy died when the tups were 7 months old.

Anonymous said...

I just noticed the camera with the line through it in the upper right hand corner. Sad.

Anonymous said...

I thought it showed a glimpse of what they were like before fame & fortune went to their heads. Maybe it will serve some purpose? We can only hope.

themrs said...

this is so sad. i second the suggestion that this pic be sent to the companies and sponsors. something must be done.

anna said...

I think that I have figured out what is wrong with them. They're inward people. Both of them. They only care about themselves and what they need to do for themselves. And if that means putting their children out there as their pawns, then so be it. They don't see what it's doing to their children because well, they're making money and they think a lot of people still love them, therefore, they will continue the show until someone makes them stop.

I can understand that they didn't have any money when the babies were born and cannot even imagine what that felt like, honestly. But to someone who's never had money like they have now and are only paying attention to themselves, they're not going to give it up until someone physically makes them.

Anonymous said...

This is heart breaking. The twins are practically forgotten about. Everyting revolves around the tups. Those two girls are going to carry feelings of being not good enough the rest of their lives. The tups, when they grow older, are going to realize from watching this show that their parents weren't that happy when they found out they were having 6 babies and are going to feel unwanted. They're also going to feel used for financial gain. When these children go to school, get talked about by their peers for everything being shown on TV, never make friends or other relationships, never have privacy, or secrets their lives are going to start to crumble apart. The twins already show signs of withdrawl and sadness. The hospital also never should have allowed this. My niece wasn't allowed to come and see my daughter in the hospital when she had surgery at 2 weeks of age. Why were 8 children allowed in the NICU? Parading around your healthy 8 children in a NICU where babies lives are at stake is SOOO wrong. That hospital only did it for the publicity and the money. Kon only does this for the money. When Jon and Kate get older, the kids are grown, they're divorced, and they never see their kids they just might realize what a gigantic mistake this was. They'll be sitting by themselves in their respective assisted living facilities and cry to themselves and wish they could go back in time. No amount of vacations is worth ruining your child's life for. No amount of freebies makes up for a mother's unconditional love. No amount of money is worth the snuggling and whispering my daughter and I do in the privacy of our own home. These two truly have their priorities out of wack. 8 lives are hanging in the balance and all their parents see are dollar signs with hands and feet.

Anonymous said...

I'm just wondering what the intention was (if any) in showing Mady's sign. It counters any damage control. Maybe it's fodder for the haters.

Anonymous said...

After months of lurking, this note has finally made me step up. In reference to the Osbourne family, they actually had amazing parenting skills compared to Kon. They allowed their children to make the choice be constantly filmed; Jack and Kelly did, while Amy did not. While the Osbourne's and their kids made many mistakes, they still loved and respected their children more than Jon and Kate. They are refusing to give their children the most treasured gifts a parent can give, safety and respect. The Osbournes listened to their children, but the only thing Kon can hear above all the screaming, is the clank in the piggy bank.

Barbara said...

For the poster who asked what Mady said when Kate said the twins stayed with "Grandmom". Mady said, "Why did we stay with Grandmom?" I saw and heard it also and had to replay to make sure. More damage control on Kate's part, talking about her Mom specificially for the first time.

Also, another poster said she thought the check was given as an afterthought. I disagree. I think that was planned very carefully to answer the question of why they didn't feel the need to give back since they now have so much. I believe if you want to give something from your heart out of gratitude, you don't look for accolades from anyone.

By the way, you do all know that we are Kate haters on this blog? I was reading another forum this morning, that thinks last nights show was a turning point for all the "Kate haters over at GWOP". Amazing.

Anonymous said...

I dont know why people keep debating about the college fund?
The money they make from the show and the speaking engagements is more than enough to send their children to college. They do not need a PA fund. These people are not poor and yes it is expensive to send 8 children to college. They have the money. Why dont they get TLC to set up a college fund. Instead of having TLC pay for chefs, nannies, spa days, vactions, clothes, food, housing, and utilities. Why not have cut out one of those freebies and have TLC set up a college fund account. Jon and Kate stop begging money off the public to educate your children. People stop feeding into Kons lies, about a college fund. Who really cares if their kids go to college or not? They are only 4 years old.

evileye said...

Poor Mady, I always think she is used as a scapegoat for many of the problems Kon created themselves.

She just needs more attention than another child. Even when it was just her and Cara, she was most likely the more dramatic of the 2. Now she also feels as if she has to contend with 6 other kids.

It's horrible that Kon label her as selfish, but she's only 7! How can a 7 year old be selfish? She has to share everything. They label her as high strung so it's very hard for her to correct her faults when automatically she's always the scapegoat.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice when (I think it was Aaden) told Kate "Collin threw up" while they were at the condo? Kate told him, "that's ok, daddy is in there." She acted like she didn't even care. My first thought was, poor little boy. Maybe it is all the stress of the cameras, being yelled at, maybe he got too hot while sitting in the car with the other little kids with Jenny while Kon and twins went inside the RMcD House, or just being tired going to so many places that day. I also noticed (again) JON does everything! Makes breakfast at condo, WIPES kids, takes care of sick kids, takes out trash, puts gas in cars, picks up after kids, makes beds, paints, etc. etc. What does Kate do???? Also looked like Kate lost weight, got nails, shows more cleavage...LOOK AT ME!!!

Anonymous said...

Someone on that end read this blog and they HAD to know this would get ripped to pieces. So why do all this damage control, then include this and ruin it? (Not that the damage control is working anyway...but still) I just don't understand J&K/TLC....

On another note, anyone notice that one of the 4 daily reruns (the second morning episode) has now been replaced with a LPBW rerun? Interesting.

Sara said...

I sent this email to Figure 8 Films:


"Hello, my name is Sara R******, and I wanted to write to you with an observation about Jon & Kate Plus 8. I've watched them since the first special aired, and it makes for very entertaining television. BUT. It's becoming very apparent that these kids aren't interested in having their lives filmed anymore- blocking the camera, running from it, and in last night's episode, putting up a sign to ban it from a room. Kate spoke out on her new website saying that the kids agreed to go on with the show, but in what way would a child say no, if they knew all their vacations and free toys might come to an end? Seriously, it was fun to watch them in the beginning. It would be fun to see a yearly special, or even a bi-yearly one. But don't make this into a Truman Show. Just because Jon and Kate love the money and not having to hold a honest job, don't make the kids into working circus monkeys who jump around and squeal for OUR entertainment. I also understand that this show makes YOU a lot of money, but I say the same thing- don't earn your paycheck off a bunch of little kids."


So, if I get a fresh, un-canned response, I'll post it, but I highly doubt I will. Most of these people have done pretty deplorable things to get to the top positions they're in now, so selling a few children's childhoods is peanuts to them.

Moons in Leo said...

It seems toward the end of the show when Kate was talking about the time when they were a family of 4 and she started crying, she actually seemed human. Like she somewhat regrets doing the show, the relationships that were broken and her children only knowing cameras in the house as being "normal" for them. That was the first time I was able to feel for her, only because I feel she does regret it but now shes in over her head...in very deep. She knows nothing else anymore. maybe she will change her mind about this "reality" tv.

9/01/2008 11:15 PM


I think you're giving Kate waaaay too much credit. I'm sure the only thing that can touch her heart of stone is the thought of losing their TV gig.

Barbara in VA said...

Yes, I also think this picture says it all. This picture of that piece of paper should be sent to all the sponsors, TLC and orgs and churches who think this is a wonderful show and wonderful parents. This is a cry for help. She is being dramatic and Kate is dramatic so I'm sure that's why Mady is the way she is. But, my God, what more does the poor girl have to do to get her message across? I refused to watch the show last night but I heard that the poor little babies in the NICU who were actually struggling to survive were inundated with a "visit" from Kate and the whole crew. Very bad judgment -- not a big surprise. After all -- it is all about Kate, right?

mlou said...

RE:4) It is REALLY starting to get to me when I go on some proclaimed "fan sites" and they discuss "Mady's behavior" and this little girl gets blamed for it. First of all- the kid is what? 8 years old? How is she responsible for anything?! It is the PARENT'S responsibility to tell their child what is right and wrong and to discipline them accordingly. If Jon and Kate don't take the time to do this- then how do you expect to get anywhere? It shocks me that people are so behind Jon and Kate (Kate specifically) but so ready to throw this 8 year old under the bus. Disgusting.

If there are really people stating bad things about Mady then my disgust has hit an all time high. I know for me, (as well as most parents) that if you say something about me, no big deal. However, you say something about my kids, there is going to be hell to pay. How dare Kon not defend their own child and see that they need to quit this charade now!!!

Amanda Lynn said...

i agree... send this out to people who sponsor Jon and Kate. Maybe this will click with some off them that they chousln't be supporting to the harming of these children.
Also... I haven't watched in a couple of months, as I feel I shouldn't be giving them my support in that way...
but does Mady still come home from school is a bad mood? Perhaps she isn't coming home in that mood... perhaps she is in a great mood, but remembering what she has to come home to... that would put me in a bad mood!
Also.. i wonder if there has ever been signs before? I read somewhere on here that she put it up and got a cameraperson to come over right away. Maybe she has put signs like that up before, but before anyone with a camera could see it, it was taken down.
Just some thoughts...

b said...

I will preface this by saying I am the furthest thing from a Kon supporter.

Honestly, something does not sit right with me in regards to Mady. I am pretty certain her personality has always been like this. I believe even without a camera she would be acting exactly as we see.

Even in the first special when she was a younger girl, she had an attitude and rolled her eyes when speaking.

I know a girl who acts exactly as she does, and there is no camera. Her sister does not act like that (kind of like Cara) and her parents give her tons of attention and correction and she has a pretty fabulous life. Something about her, I just cannot figure it out, she just has this horrible attitude and is completely ungrateful and speaks to you with such disdain. If it's not all about her 24/7, life sucks. Reminds me of Mady.

I'm not agreeing at all with the cameras always being there, I'm just saying that Mady seems to be like that no matter what. She always has a scowl on her face, says each day is the worst day of her life, nothing pleases her, it seems to be ingrained in her personality. And when the nice PR lady st the hospital simply touched her hair, Mady thruster her head away and gave the lady a dirty face.

Stewie said...

This note made me smile and frown at the same time. Those poor kids, they want the cameras gone and I think Jon and Kate realize it, they just don't care.

Anonymous said...

I found this episode quite heartbreaking. Kate crying in the chair and Jon looking like he was also about to lose it spoke volumes to me. No, those were not tears of joy for realizing how far they've come from that condo or for realizing how blessed they are to have 6 healthy sextuplets especially when, looking back "single babies were dying all around them." Those were tears of regret, tears of missing the happy family of 4, the simple life. She even said that the reason she was getting so emotional is because that was the last memory of the family of 4, the last "peace"... the last time things were simple. She's not crying out of joy, she's crying because they've gotten themselves in over their heads and then decided to add fuel to their sextuplet fire by broadcasting their "freak show" family all over the nation. Now, I assume they are stuck in a contract with the network and even if they did have a tiny bit or remorse for signing that contract they will renew for yet, another season due to the fact that they are getting paid to sit at home and yell at their kids for simply being kids. When will this end? The sign on Mady and Cara's study door says it all "NO CAMERAS UNLESS INVITED." Thank you, Mady - out of the mouths of babes comes the truth. Anything else that Kate conjures up in her head are UNtruths (in her words). This needs to be resolved. Kate and Jon have damaged the older children, probably beyond repair and the other 6 are on their way there. How very sad when your mother is a greedy, money hungry, begging hog and the dad, instead of leading his family in the right direction to ensure happiness, sits back and lets his wife makes all the calls for fear of his head getting bitten off - grow some balls and stop this madness, Jon!

ThreeFarmers said...

Honestly, something does not sit right with me in regards to Mady. I am pretty certain her personality has always been like this. I believe even without a camera she would be acting exactly as we see.

Even in the first special when she was a younger girl, she had an attitude and rolled her eyes when speaking.

I know a girl who acts exactly as she does, and there is no camera. Her sister does not act like that (kind of like Cara) and her parents give her tons of attention and correction and she has a pretty fabulous life. Something about her, I just cannot figure it out, she just has this horrible attitude and is completely ungrateful and speaks to you with such disdain. If it's not all about her 24/7, life sucks. Reminds me of Mady.

I'm not agreeing at all with the cameras always being there, I'm just saying that Mady seems to be like that no matter what. She always has a scowl on her face, says each day is the worst day of her life, nothing pleases her, it seems to be ingrained in her personality. And when the nice PR lady st the hospital simply touched her hair, Mady thruster her head away and gave the lady a dirty face.


I agree that Mady might be a moody good without the cameras. But I truly believe that the cameras make it worse. What I find deplorable is that whenever she does something Kate or Jon will turn directly to the camera and say, within ear shot of Mady, that "you never know with Mady" or some other comment about a meltdown. That HAS to have an effect on that child.

I was watching an episode the other day where Mady was just fine and behaving well and Kate still made a snarky comment to the camera with Mady standing right there. Something about "it's a good day so far, but you never know with Mady." Give me a break. The kid doesn't stand a chance.

As she gets older and encounters more people in her life, she will immediately have to live down some preconceived notion about her personality. She will never have a chance to start fresh with someone new because almost everyone will have already judged her.

A lot of kids have personality issues, but Mady is put in the horribly horrendous position of having to work hers out on camera with no professionals to help her.

Those cameras are having an enormous negative effect on that child. Period.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else notice the picture with the slash in the upper right hand corner? It looks like a camera with a slash thru it.
This wasn't the first draft of Mady's stay out sign.
poor girl.

ThreeFarmers said...

I'm just wondering what the intention was (if any) in showing Mady's sign. It counters any damage control. Maybe it's fodder for the haters.

The camera people, producers, and editors of this show come from a documentary background. This show started out to be a documentary, but has morphed into this dog-and-pony show with all these little kids jumping through hoops, (the Utah hoop, the Disney hoop, etc.). Seriously, J7K+8 is more like a variety show than a documentary. (Hence the move from Discovery Health to TLC.) This is not the sort of show these people are used to doing.

Showing that sign is something a documentarian would do. Showing a situation as it is. Telling the truth from both sides of the story.

Linda said...

b said:
And when the nice PR lady st the hospital simply touched her hair, Mady thruster her head away and gave the lady a dirty face.


Would you allow someone to touch your hair without permission. Mady and all of the children are now public property thanks to their parents. As a result, there are no boundries between the show and the kids reality.

No one should be touched unless they want to be. Especially by a stranger.

Anonymous said...

Considering how many adult actors and stars react to the paparazzi--claiming it feels like stalking, breach of privacy, living in a fishbowl, scary, and invasive--it's no surprise that this child might feel the same. Worse, considering it's in her home. And, legally, she can't even consent to it. Nor does she have any representation or recourse to prevent it.

And when the parents are crying and discussing how stressful it is for them to have everyone know them, the ONLY suprising thing is that they continue to put their children in this situation. Shameful. Just shameful.

BeeMonte said...

I thought what Jon said while visiting the NICU was RUDE! Alexis was crying about her ponytail, I guess someone touched it. Then Jon told the older nurse who was standing there "Its like a SLOW death.....Like my dad used to say, Like being pecked to death....BY A DUCK".

Given the situation was a remmenicent and thankful one to look back on while touring the NICU AND the fact that babies die often in that very NICU(thanks for pointing that out Kate) why oh why on earth would Jon say something so dumb. You could tell the nurse was NOT amused by his comment. She looked a bit put off actually.

Sheesh when are Kon going to stop being such airheads.

Mary said...

We have a Mady.
All 3 of our children are being raised in the same family but yet our oldest is always bitter/angry/disgruntled about something.
The other two are 'glass half-full' types, the oldest, well he's our 'Eyore' with a chip on his shoulder.

I think some folks are just born this way. I never believed that until I had my own. We love him dearly, but it's just who he is. I'm sure each and every one of you know these types of people, whether at work or in your neighborhood... they'll be the ones complaining in heaven!

Mady reminds me a lot of that type of personality... including my son. We try to stay as positive as possible with him. That's the only thing we can do.

I think the cameras do exasperate things for Mady. My son does well at school then decompresses at home (we get the brunt of it). I can't imagine if he had to come home to a production whirlwind of cameras and producers each and every day. I know it would be stressful on him.

I wish J&K would realize the toll this circus is taking on their children... they're being robbed of a normal childhood. Something they'll never be able to get back. You can't rewind the tape in real life.

ThreeFarmers said...

They'll be sitting by themselves in their respective assisted living facilities and cry to themselves and wish they could go back in time. No amount of vacations is worth ruining your child's life for. No amount of freebies makes up for a mother's unconditional love. No amount of money is worth the snuggling and whispering my daughter and I do in the privacy of our own home. These two truly have their priorities out of wack. 8 lives are hanging in the balance and all their parents see are dollar signs with hands and feet.


Jon and Kate will never understand the losses they stand to encounter. They will accuse the public of "building them up just to tear them down". It will be our fault in their minds.

BTW I abhor the "build them up just to tear them down excuse." I think we love the true stars in our culture. People who have true talent and a humble nature are always supported and we want them to succeed. It's the people who get too full of themselves that the public gets sick of. No one wants to see Paul Newman, Robert DiNero or Meryl Streep fail. Hell, we even cheer for the Robert Downey, Jr.'s of the world because they have talent. We love them. They are talented and we love to see them using those talents.

It's the Paris Hiltons, Jennifer Lopezs, Lindsey Lohans, etc. who think that we want to see them act, smell their perfumes, hear them sing, and wear their clothing designs that the public gets sick of. They come off as greedy and self-centered. The Gosselins are quickly gaining that sort of notoriety. The public is becoming sick of the charade.

avidshrewwatcher said...

Mady has spoken and the girl wants off the island! It is impossible to make her frustration with being in a fishbowl any more apparent. The most telling thing is how she knew exactly how to get the camera to follow her and how to get her point across! Please, someone, take notice of how badly this young lady has been affected by this lifestyle! No amount of money is worth putting her through this disgusting charade! STOP THE INSANITY!

Anonymous said...

Even if J&K wanted the cameras gone, there is no way they are going to let out a contract that easily. TLC and Figure 8 will sue them so fast for breach of contract that it would probably make everything worse.

Barbara in VA said...

After seeing this photo I had to write Dr. Phil and beg him to come to this web site and, even if he wouldn't read our opinions, take a look at that obvious cry for help from Mady. There is a contact us on Dr. Phil's web site and it would be really great if lots of you also asked him. Maybe he would listen.

Anonymous said...

In this episode Does anyone know who the little girl standing looking out the living room window is? This is towards the beginning of the show and the kids are playing with the blinds. She is wearing blue shorts and a gray T-shirt and they never show her face.

Barbara in VA said...

No, no one should be touched unless they want to be by strangers. I get that. And people very often do take more liberties in dealing with babies (letting them grab your finger), kids (stroking their hair) and even mothers to be (I had people in stores actually put their hand on my stomach). But the nurse who apparently reached out to Mady is probably the kind of person who loves kids and was trying to comfort Mady and give her some special attention. I'll bet that was it. Needless to say, Mady probably wouldn't take it that way. I didn't see it but the story goes that she jerked away from the nurse. Mady has had just about all this that she is going to take and if they, Figure 8 and Kon, don't think they are in for a total and complete burn out they are not paying attention. Actually, maybe Figure 8 would like that, then they could show that. After all, these aren't their own children, are they?

Aniron said...

So in this thread and a bunch of others everyone keeps saying that Jon and Kate don't work...ok, then what the heck does Jon leave to do every morning?

Oh and don't get me wrong; I think the "no cameras" sign is sad and that they should stop the show soon because it's not healthy for kids to live their lives on camera.

But still...I like the kids and I'm not one hundred percent sure that J&K are totally corrupt! =)

ettie said...

aniron said....So in this thread and a bunch of others everyone keeps saying that Jon and Kate don't work...ok, then what the heck does Jon leave to do every morning?

He goes to visit his "fuzzy bunny" at the gym.

Anonymous said...

But the nurse who apparently reached out to Mady is probably the kind of person who loves kids and was trying to comfort Mady and give her some special attention. I'll bet that was it. Needless to say, Mady probably wouldn't take it that way. I didn't see it but the story goes that she jerked away from the nurse.

From what I saw, it was the PR woman who stroked Mady's hair, not a nurse.

In any case, Mady clearly has boundary issues, and with all that she's subjected to, does it really come as any surprise? She's filmed when she doesn't want to be, dragged along on trips that she doesn't want to go on, has her feelings discounted on a daily basis . . . she'll be lucky if she comes out of this ordeal as anything but a very damaged adult.

Anonymous said...

"So in this thread and a bunch of others everyone keeps saying that Jon and Kate don't work...ok, then what the heck does Jon leave to do every morning?"

He may be going to any number of places, but work isnt one of them!
Unless he is seen leaving with any one or all of his children, then it's take DADDY to work day!

Anonymous said...

Interesting...especially since on their new, fancy website Kate posts THIS in response to why they don't talk to many of their family members:

"it is also the most amazing blessing that we can be home with our children while working and when asked, all 8 of our children agree…for now, we need to continue on…and so we will!"

Really, so they honestly are so warped to believe that 4 yr olds and 8 yr olds can make a family decision like that???? Kate says herself that they are both able to not work due to the show, so it is pretty disgusting of her to then say that the show continues because the kids agree to it. What choice do they have????

Also, on the new site she answers many questions...some have claimed she has an organic chef...she explains that the organic food is brought in only on filming days (OK, so how many filming days a week are there? Sounds like there isn't much of a difference between food made for you while filming vs. a personal chef...) so that explains why she had those organic crab cakes someone else mentioned in a previous post. Again, big deal that you cook for your family...anyone who would buy her cookbook is an idiot...she has the filming day food catered, so how much food does she even prepare herself?

Also, the drama about Kate being preganant??? Please. I'll eat my words if she is, but there is NO WAY. I am sure whatever Jon said he said just to appease the kids in the moment. Maybe he meant you can hold your baby soon, like your baby doll at home. They all play with baby dolls.

Finally, her answer to what is your favorite trip so far???? She is lucky she even gets to be asked that question...she won't say what trip, but clearly she means Hawaii...also, she hints at another FREE trip they would like to get in the future. Just look at the Q and A on the site. Very interesting.

Anonymous said...

At least on the new site they also say some of the proceeds from the book will go to Pediatric Cancer. Finally giving back. I want to know how much. A great cause to choose, though. I respect that.

Linda said...

Again, it doesn't matter is the person touching Mady was Queen Elizabeth...no one has the right to touch her without permission, especially this stranger.

And again, would you like someone touching your hair without your permission.

Mady is the symptom of a very sad mess created by her parents, figure8 and TLC. Give her a break, she's only been alive 7 years!

Anonymous said...

ThreeFarmers said . . ."Honestly, something does not sit right with me in regards to Mady. I am pretty certain her personality has always been like this. I believe even without a camera she would be acting exactly as we see.

Even in the first special when she was a younger girl, she had an attitude and rolled her eyes when speaking."



I'm with you, ThreeFarmers.

Often disrespectful to her elders, incl. her uncle and the crew. Respect for elders was an important lesson taught in our family when I was growing up.

She gets a lot of attention, especially from her mom, for bad behaviour, but only up to a point. Ignores her parents and gets away with it probably because they're worn out.

imo, firm discipline is needed, much like what Aunt Jodi attempted at her house. It would help this child enormously, and, in turn, be better for the entire family. Jon could effect this very well; he'd know what to do and he'd do it.

During the Crayola Factory trip, Kate explained how everybody always holds hands for safety reasons (good idea!) There was Kate, straining to walk while holding several kids' hands (not easy to do), John with some and Cara with some. And Mady walked alone not helping anyone.

I don't feel sorry in the least for people like her. All children are not loveable and adorable just because they're children, as some on this board seem to think.

The one who seems to get the least attention and who deserves more is the quiet Cara, a sweetheart.

Barbara in VA said...

Whoops! I didn't see the show, but just went on what I had read here and thought it was a nurse who had stroked Mady's hair.

Barbara in VA said...

I have to respond to the contractual obligations that Kon have made. Contracts are broken every single day. Even Paul P. offered them legal support to get out of their contracts. If he didn't say exactly that, that is what I took from his statement. Even if these two had to buy themselves out of their contract, and I do not think it would come to that because of the adverse publicity that would generate, it would be well worth it. They have enough. Their children are clearly suffering and they've played this for all it is worth.

Anonymous said...

Barbara in VA said... After seeing this photo I had to write Dr. Phil and beg him to come to this web site and, even if he wouldn't read our opinions, take a look at that obvious cry for help from Mady. There is a contact us on Dr. Phil's web site and it would be really great if lots of you also asked him. Maybe he would listen.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I doubt it. Dr. Phil nicely contributed to the problem by giving J&K free nannies and $3000.00 worth of toys from PlaySkool after Kate forced some crocodile tears on his show cuz the kids were fighting over toys. Boo freakin' hoo. Good going doc. Is that how we're supposed to remedy spats? The man is an idiot.

Anonymous said...

Oh, that is so SO sad.

Moons in Leo said...

I think I've come up with a great idea.

Kate can get a job in Alaska for about $95K per year. They need nurses!

Then she can run for Governor, get elected, and they can all move into the Governor's mansion!

Barbara in VA said...

I sure am sorry to hear that about Dr. Phil. I haven't seen his show and didn't know that. Could it be that this happened years ago before Kon were inundated with gifts? Too bad. $3,000 worth of toys? Wonder if they sold those. I think this pair has their sights set on much bigger things than toys now.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I dont know why people keep debating about the college fund?


Because J&K were pleading on their website for YEARS, up to last week even, for donations so their kids could attend college. Nevermind that the state of PA had set up funds after the tups were born. Nevermind they're raking in untold amounts of money they could quite easily budget to not only maintain their current lifestyle but provide a future for all 10 of them. Esp since we all know their paycheques don't have to cover all the freebies (food, clothing, new house...)

IMHO parents shouldn't be required to pay for their kids college tuition. In J&K's case I believe they OWE their children if not a college tuition, the money that would go towards one considering the kids have been working almost since birth to pay their own way through life. Something no child should have to do. It's one thing to have a kid pay their way through college, it's quite another to have them pay their way through infancy, toddler-hood, pre-school, etc.

As for last night's episode, I seriously wonder if the director has a split personality or there are dueling directors. Or someone is passively-agressively getting their revenge. On one hand they play up the 'pity us' and 'look how much we love our kids' side of J&K and on the other they take stabs at them (Mady's sign, Kate's inability to parent - unless of course I missed the parenting class/book where you stand back & direct your husband on how to raise the children).

I can see her handing the boys & their bathroom issues off to Jon, a dad-son thing that could be more comfortable for them. But she's rarely shown on camera doing more than screeching at Jon to take care of whatever kid-need has arisen.

The good points of the episode... Jon waking Alexis and her going "huh" - sounded like a veteran teenager, lol. Kate & Alexis (?? or was it Leah?) in the kitchen sharing lipstick (love or hate Kate that moment was cute).

ThreeFarmers said...

I don't feel sorry in the least for people like her. All children are not loveable and adorable just because they're children, as some on this board seem to think.

The one who seems to get the least attention and who deserves more is the quiet Cara, a sweetheart.


I think you took a comment that I responded to as my words. I don't think I wrote the comment you're addressing.

While I think that Mady would be a troubled soul regardless of the cameras, I believe being scrutinized everyday under the watchful eyes of the camera is damaging that child. I DO feel sorry for her and I don't think she is getting a fair shake. Her parents are always making negative comments about her to the camera within her earshot. I would react badly to that as well. Even when Mady is being well behaved and sweet (which she often is) they comment in front of her that "it won't last" or "you never know with Mady." Mady's feelings are rarely acknowledged, instead she's told she has "low blood sugar."

I'm more and more a Mady fan. I wish she had someone to teach her how to deal with her frustrations and anger. She doesn't. She has parents who belittle her on camera and make money off her. I believe she is the only one who speaks her mind and calls out J&K on some of their shenanigans.

Yes, I'm definitely a Mady fan.

Anonymous said...

To the poster who wondered where Jon leaves for in the AM--- to work out. Nothing more.

Anonymous said...

As far as TLC showing the sign for a benefiting motive. I think they did. I think they have become the type of TV that just strokes the fire. Do they televise all of the shows about physically different people in order for us to learn or to shock us? I feel it is all for ratings. I think TLC enjoys Kate's antics.
I do not think Kate understands some of TLC's motives until it is explained to her. I do not think things easily dawn on Kate, she is certainly not as astute as she thinks she is. Maybe she is just sly like a fox. Do you have to be bright to be sly?

Anonymous said...

the kids are cute. Kate needs to teach the kids about real life before its to late. She needs to stop accpting all the free gifts and live life. When the kids go to school she sould get like a part time job or something. Kate has just gotten meaner and meaner over the years. She is SO mean to Jon when he says something she is always rude and stuff

luvmytwins said...

Anonymous said...

" I'm just wondering what the intention was (if any) in showing Mady's sign. It counters any damage control. Maybe it's fodder for the haters."
9/02/2008 7:12 AM

My take on it was that the sign was SUPPOSED to BE damage control. Like, See, the cameras aren't allowed in if the kids don't want them! That was my initial thought.

Also, I just have to say, regarding Meg's post about them not aborting, what do they want, a prize? Last time I checked it was against pretty much ALL divisions of Christianity. I don't expect a pat on the back every time I follow a tenet of my religion....I'm SUPPOSED TO!!! WTH is up with that? I know several people that chose life and don't expect to be helped financially for it.

fanofmady said...

IMO, Mady is so much sharper and smarter than Kon...she knows exactly how to get her point across, and she did it so eloquently with the sign she made about the cameras. She is desperately crying out for help, and she has NO ONE (Aunt Jodi, Beth) to confide in...it is so easy for Kate to blame Mady's behavior on low-blood sugar, or 'that's the way she is' rather than sitting with this sweet child, and listening to her, not talking, berating, or belittling, but LISTENING...but it's possible Kate realizes that she would not like to hear what her daughter has to say, and therein lies the problem, unfortunately...

K.C. said...

"Follow up comment- It is my understanding the KONS house was undergoing a $50,000 renovation paid for and performed by volunteers, their church and others. I am unsure on the exact value of the renovation, I have read this amount on the Internet. The house was remodeled and enlarged to accommodate the tups..."

IIRC...I believe the value of the renovation must have been higher than $50,000 as Jon complained, (on the triplet connection site), about receiving a $59,000 1099 from Home Delivery's network, (ABC?).

"...Supposedly Kate was very critical of their work and alienated many of the volunteers."

I read that too. I've seen comments from a reporter who was there during the unveiling. The reporter wrote about Kate saying terrible things when she thought her mic was off, such as: (paraphrase) "The 'tups would be scared by the murals in their rooms", "Thanks for nothing", This looks (quote) "Horrendously Horrendous", etc.

There are links to everything I've mentioned elsewhere on this site.

Open Eyes said...

If there are really people stating bad things about Mady then my disgust has hit an all time high. I know for me, (as well as most parents) that if you say something about me, no big deal. However, you say something about my kids, there is going to be hell to pay. How dare Kon not defend their own child and see that they need to quit this charade now!!!

AMEN! Jon and Kate both admit that they know that Mady's behavior isn't correct. Are they truly that naive to think that there are not people out there that are going to target this little girl? Does Mady need some firm discipline? OF COURSE! But the only way it is going to go anywhere is if J+K stick with it. Kate doesn't want to take responsibility for that, she just wants everything pushed under the carpet. In the end, the kids are going to suffer for it.

Anonymous said...

fanofmady said...
IMO, Mady is so much sharper and smarter than Kon...


Totally agree.

Mady is railing against these crazy, control freaks at every turn. In my opinion, she's the one to least worry about. Her spirit and will haven't been broken (like Jon and Cara) and she doesn't just go along to get along. She's not going down without a fight and you gotta respect that on some level.

I'm more concerned for Cara who picks the path of least resistance and lets it eat away at her (just like Jon seems to) just to keep the peace and keep Kate "happy." That's the child who will grow up to be bitter and angry and laying on the therapist's couch (or alternately seeking out her own "Kate" to be a doormat for).

Imagine how any of us--if we had to live with Jon and Kate--would want to bang their heads together like Moe a hundred times a day. And what it would take to get you to the point where you just gave up and agreed with their total b.s. to their faces because it was just easier.

Sara said...

RE: "Dr. Phil nicely contributed to the problem by giving J&K free nannies and $3000.00 worth of toys from PlaySkool after Kate forced some crocodile tears on his show cuz the kids were fighting over toys."
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Man oh man. I never got to see that, but it pisses me off. I have TWO kids, and yeah, they fight over toys. They fight if it's one, and they fight if it's a whole roomful. It's a kid's way of feeling like they have control. Will my kids stop the battle royale if my husband and I go and get more toys? No way! They'll fight over those ones too, because they're new!

Rewarding difficult behavior with more STUFF- instead of telling them it's SHARING or NOTHING- is only teaching them that throwing fits and begging will get them what they want. Oh wait, that's exactly what Kate does everytime she wants something.

K.C. said...

"It seems toward the end of the show when Kate was talking about the time when they were a family of 4 and she started crying, she actually seemed human. Like she somewhat regrets doing the show,"

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Maybe she was crying about how +*poor they were back then.


*(Gosselin's) poor \ˈpu̇r, ˈpȯr\ adj 1: one who owns a home with $100,000 of equity, (in addition to), approximately $200,000 of inherited money in the bank

+(Webster's) poor \ˈpu̇r, ˈpȯr\ adj 1: lacking material possessions

Anonymous said...

Another sad Mady moment this episode was when the doctor said all the kids were "normal, healthy...etc" and Mady said "I'm perfectly normal!" and the Dr says "Who said anything about you?" (or something to that extent). He might as well have said "You're not important!" It was rude.

I also found it interesting when Kate was telling the twins how they first brought Hannah and Leah 'home' from the hospital "and it was like we had you all over again, we used your same stroller" ....I'm sure Kate WISHES she could have ONLY had Hannah and Leah - who needs Alexis and the yucky boys?

Anonymous said...

When these kids are grown they are going to want nothing to do with their parents and J&K aren't going to see anything wrong with that. Why would they? They don't see anything wrong with being alienated from their own parents and siblings.

Has it ever been said anywhere what happened to Beth? I know she's not on the show anymore, but is she just not on the show or out of their lives completely?

Chunky Photojournalist Barbie said...

Mady acts like her mother. Period. The tantrums are identical.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else catch that Jon and Kate owned a timeshare back when they just had the twins? Aren't timeshares a little pricey for a family that claims they were poor?

ThreeFarmers said...

Mady acts like her mother. Period. The tantrums are identical.

Yep, what Kate traits Mady didn't inherit genetically, she sure is learning by personal experience. For all Kate's control issues, she certainly doesn't apply any self-control when it comes to much of what she says and does. She also lacks self-control when it comes to material possessions.

That said. There are boat loads of hope for Mady. Mady is not Kate. Mady can choose to be whomever she wants. She is an intelligent, strong-minded, and precocious almost-8-year-old girl who is doing her best to get through what is happening to her. She has no protection, privacy, or secrets.

I just hope when this mess ends, Mady will get the support she needs. The easy thing to say is that "she's just like her Mother" or "she just needs discipline." There will be no easy answers where Mady is concerned -- she will see to that. Mady needs alternative ways to deal with her anger and frustrations. Kate can't teach her self-control, because Kate has none.

If someone listens to Mady, she won't have to scream. I like Mady and I will defend her to the ground. To the ground.

Anonymous said...

In reply to Anonymous at 7:24 p.m., I got the impression that Jon was referring to a timeshare on the Hershey property that the family stayed in. I don't think they own it, since it has never been mentioned before. He said they stayed at the hospital and Ronald McDonald house, then moved to the timeshare. would imagine that Hershey let them use it.

Dew said...

We have no way of knowing if the money they make from the show is going toward college funds or even so much as a trust fund for the children. There are absolutely no laws in PA or for reality show children that require their parents to put aside a dime for them. They are no better than a child actor in the year 1936 who better hope they have kind parents or kiss any money they make goodbye. Society as a whole realized the way child actors were treated was wrong, specifically when it came to their money, and made laws to protect them. It's really only a matter of when society will realize reality children should have their money protected in the same way, not if. Lawmakers have decided that stage parents CANNOT be trusted to manage their children's money. They have sent a strong message that parents in the business cannot be trusted and must have the government protect the children's money. The same applies to Jon and Kate. Okay, even if you presuppose that Jon and Kate are handling their money correctly, what about the next reality show parents? Will they do the same? Hopefully the "Gosselin Fund" or a similar law will be passed forthwith to protect all their cash, just in case. And if I were one of them, I would want a law behind me and not just have to trust my parents will do right by me.

Additionally, there is no need to sell out your children for a college fund. It is not necessary, required, it should not be done. There are wonderful government financial aid programs, especially for families with 6 children entering college at the same time. If they can't afford college when the time comes, the government will provide scholarships, grants and loans with interest rates sometimes so low they barely keep up with inflation. In fact, a college fund usually hurts you when it comes to filling out financial aid documentation.

All evidence points to Jon and Kate spending these children's money right now. They live a very lavish lifestyle and have said many times they plan to move again. It is frightening to think that these children are working so hard for possibly nothing. Would you work a job where getting paid is a big gamble? Where someone else decides where your money goes and how it will be spent and whether it will even be spent on you specifically, and you have no laws that force that person to put your money aside for when you're old enough to manage it yourself? Would you as a child want to be or SHOULD you be responsible for supporting your entire family? Of course not. But think about it, that's what these children do every day of their lives. These parents don't work, need I remind us.

Anonymous said...

I was a Mady. I know exactly how she feels- voiceless and fearful. She does need help, but most of all, she needs to know she is valued. I already see the beginning of a personality disorder in Mady, just like what we see in Kate. So much potential in that little girl, and I am afraid by age 8, the damage may already be done. The cameras are the last nail in her coffin.

And I disagree with those who think Mady seemed bratty in the first specials (at age 4/5). I didn't see that at all- she seemed smart, sweet, and helpful. This life has taken its toll on her.

My heart breaks for her.

Anonymous said...

couple of things -- first, the producer Jen Stocks must be an idiot and a scorpion. She is an idiot if she buys into kate's spiehl and thinks America is buying into it, and she is a scorpion for her part in the destruction of these kids. I do not like her - primarily because she is largely responsible for this show and she has done a great injustice to the Gosselin children. I don't think we should let Jen off the hook here - as she is probably waving the dollar signs and trying to come Jon and Kate down to keep the gravy train growing for Jen and her film crew at Figure 8.

Also, if Hershey Hospital receives public grants, then we should be able to find out how much Kate contributed to the Ronald McDonald House via the Freedom of Information Act. All one has to do is write them in accordance with Freedom of Informatoin Act requirements which can be found easily on the internet. I hope someone does this, I don't have time. I thought it was tacky of Kate to fold the check and hand it to the person. That meant I guess that Kate didn't want the lady to open the check until Kate left? that was weird. If you are going to give money, tell everyone how much. Lord knows, I am hoping that Kate gave eiher $5000 or $10,000, but I am guessing she probably was a tightwad and gave $1,000, which is less than she spends on her spa treatments for a month. Just guessing. Hope someone does the freedom of info act thing.

Anonymous said...

Mady is a mirror of the messed up dynamics of the family. She is also a whistle blower and truth teller. Even though she is mirroring her, I don't believe she is nearly as bad as Kate.

See how Cara loves her and protects her. If Mady was really as sociopathic as Kate, she wouldn't have the love of her twin.

Ravello said...

"I also found it interesting when Kate was telling the twins how they first brought Hannah and Leah 'home' from the hospital "and it was like we had you all over again, we used your same stroller" ....I'm sure Kate WISHES she could have ONLY had Hannah and Leah - who needs Alexis and the yucky boys?"

Kate's pecking order for the tups was obvious even in the hospital.

The above mentioned moment was very sad for me, along with the mention of how special Leah and Hannah were in the NICU, why they even got to wear dress up clothes and bonnets. It was obvious she favored them even then.

I hope Kate tells the other kids special stories about themselves but I doubt she bothers with the boys.
Those icky boys ruined everything for Kate.
And the twins are just background scenery when Kate is going ga ga over her special tups.

I think she loves Alexis, the prettiest girl with long flowing hair to braid and spunk. And Alexis looks so much like Kate.

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to inform everyone on here that tours go through the NICU all the time. This was not something done just for J&K. Many years ago my high school class toured the NICU just like in this episoide. When I toured the NICU in school we were to be quiet and had to stay on the "carpet path". My husband and in-laws also toured the NICU while I was a patient in pre-term labor with my child.

Paula S said...

I don't think Kate is pregnant. If she has a bump it is more than likely as a result of all of those "rare treats" at all of the 5 star restaurants their adoring public is paying for them to eat at.

Mom said...

Dew -

They lead a lavish lifestyle? Really? Because a TV show is footing the bill for some of their vacations, sponsors support them with clothes and product and they write a check to a charity?

I have to disagree. The word "lavish" is quite a stretch here. I would say comfortable is more like it. To speculate they are saving no money is your opinion. What evidence do you have to support your statement?

Their current home, albeit large, is quite frankly just a nice house. I don't see things in it that someone living a "lavish" lifestyle would have: artwork, a chef's kitchen with granite countertops, over-the-top surround sound movie and game room in the basement, etc.

Care to elaborate specifically on the evidence?

Mom said...

Anon 137:

Ronald McDonald House is a not for profit organization separate from the hospital.

They (RMH) are in the middle of a capital campaign now as Hershey is expanding their children's hospital.

Their 990 is available online.

I seriously doubt you can find out specifically how much someone gave. Who cares?

Please don't bug these nice people with calls and letters. They are doing a good job and whether the gift was $500 or $5,000, it was appreciated and will be spent well.

I have a 4yr old nephew with leukemia and RMH has been fantastic to the families it serves.

Paula said...

They lead a lavish lifestyle? Really? Because a TV show is footing the bill for some of their vacations, sponsors support them with clothes and product and they write a check to a charity?
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Yes, I would call hair transplant surgery, two week vacations to an easily $3,000/week home, all expense paid trip to Maui, field trips all over PA "lavish" - ALL paid for by Figure 8. Having all your name brand clothes donated to you - yes, that's "lavish".

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to inform everyone on here that tours go through the NICU all the time. This was not something done just for J&K.
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You may have been allowed to tour the maternity wing of the hospital. But, I doubt very seriously you were allowed in the NICU section. That area if off limits to everyone except staff and parents - at ANY hospital.

Mom said...

Paula,

I was referring to Dew's comment where they implied they spent the money on themselves to support their lavish lifestyle. If someone else is footing the bill, how do we know they aren't saving their money? They aren't blowing it on lavish items for their house, etc.

I still stand by my original comment.

Ruthe said...

Completely off the beaten path here ... but during one of the Labor Day episodes, did anyone notice that while Kate was berating the two crew members for ineptly installing her mini blinds, she was masticating on a HUGE wad of gum?

I was led to believe that 'gum' was the new "F" word in their house.

cardamom said...

Re: mom 9/03
"Please don't bug these nice people with calls and letters."
I agree. There are (mostly) volunteers at the RMcD House. They are giving their time freely to people in trying situations. I'm glad the House got a donation--whatever it was--whether it was the G's idea or not. It's a very worthy cause--I used that exact facility last winter--and let me tell you, it was a tremendous help.
Do I approve of the way the G's are earning their money?--certainly not. Could kate have dropped an envelope in the little office that's by the entrance without much fanfare?--sure.
However, they have that money already--at least they (J&K and or Figure8) are thinking in terms of giving back. It's a baby step, but a step in the right direction.
Mady's sign speaks volumes about that situation. I don't care whether it's due to her personality traits, because she's "dramatic" or "sensitive." Her feelings are valid and need to be respected.
I wondered on a few occassions why it seemed as if Mady was spending alot of time in the downstairs bathroom (not letting one of the tups in when they had to go potty and being in there when Uncle Kevin was emptying potties.) Then I got it-- she's hiding from the cameras. On the twins birthday episode when Mady comes home and kicks the balloon and stomps through the house--I thought I heard her say something like "why is everybody here?" I don't think she expected there to be filming that day and she clearly needed some alone time (as said by Kate). It's sad that her home cannot be a sanctuary from the outside world.

Anonymous said...

I'm more concerned for Cara who picks the path of least resistance and lets it eat away at her (just like Jon seems to) just to keep the peace and keep Kate "happy." That's the child who will grow up to be bitter and angry and laying on the therapist's couch (or alternately seeking out her own "Kate" to be a doormat for).

I agree with this, and always found it interesting that posters always remark about Mady's issues when it's clear Cara has them as well but doesn't verbalize them as much.

I've heard psychologists say that it's really the "quiet ones" that you need to worry about. I view Mady's feistyness as a *good* sign--it means that she won't easily put up with nonsense and will defend herself when needed. I wonder if Cara's "path of least resistance" might be a form of learned helplessness, which may lead to clinical depression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness.)

Anonymous said...

"They lead a lavish lifestyle? Really?"

IMO, I dont see J & K living a 'lavish' lifestyle but IMO they lead a very hedonistic lifestyle in that their sense of entitlement comes a never ending pursuit of any and all things that will give them IMMEDIATE pleasure. For J & K, pleasure is inherently 'good' and those who stand in the way of or infringe upon their pursuit of pleasure are considered to be 'evil'.

Anonymous said...

Another sad Mady moment this episode was when the doctor said all the kids were "normal, healthy...etc" and Mady said "I'm perfectly normal!" and the Dr says "Who said anything about you?" (or something to that extent). He might as well have said "You're not important!" It was rude.


Actually he said the tups turned out healthy and normal. It is a real fear that premature babies may have lasting problems.
Mady commented in the background, well, they aren't normal. It had nothing to do with her other than her commenting. Everyone laughed.

I don't find Mady's behavior ok at all and I don't think her parents quite realize how bad she is. She has some serious issues and needs discipline and consistency. Her notes...not cute. My children are taught to be respectful not rude. If she has a problem with the cameras that should be addressed not her being a brat and them ignoring it. I believe the cameras aren't allowed in the twins bedroom or the twins school/playroom room. If she isn't happy about having the cameras around I hope they'll address that not just let her treat the cameramen rudely.

Laura said...

"Their current home, albeit large, is quite frankly just a nice house. I don't see things in it that someone living a "lavish" lifestyle would have: artwork, a chef's kitchen with granite countertops, over-the-top surround sound movie and game room in the basement, etc."

The only reason as to why the kitchen hasnt been redone yet is she probably hasnt had a home improvement center come forward and try to improve it to her liking. Same for the basement. I think they know if they hold out long enough somebody will feel sorry for them and donate the materials. Look at what has happened in the past 4 years with all the doantions.

Anonymous said...

You may have been allowed to tour the maternity wing of the hospital. But, I doubt very seriously you were allowed in the NICU section. That area if off limits to everyone except staff and parents - at ANY hospital.

No, you can tour certain areas of the NICU. If you notice they aren't touring the highest level NICU. I live locally and a friend who works at Hershey said the parents with children in the NICU had the option to have them moved over to a higher level to avoid the cameras since it was a large group with young children.

Barbara in VA said...

Yes, Kate was definitely chomping on some gum while she was checking out her new LR blinds installation. One rule for her and one for the kids. Maybe that's just an adult thing?

It was outrageous that they went into what I presume was a sterile OR with all those cameras and kids touching everything and had to be almost thrown out by the doctor after Kate invited HIM to step inside.

I doubt very, very much that the check was substantial unless it came from an outside source, other than Kon funds. If it was $50 it went to a good cause.

Yes, they live a lavish lifestyle in almost anyone's estimation. I can't see how you can argue otherwise. Their new house will probably be the equivalent at least of the beach house they were staying in. The trips to Utah and to Hawaii and to Disney World? Pretty lavish stuff for a young family who doesn't, you know, work. I think they are keeping the house now humble-looking on purpose. Although by the shots of the neighborhood it looks very nice. Prices just aren't all that high in that part of PA apparently.

Christians? I don't see it anywhere in their actions. And I agree with the poster who said so what if they didn't choose to abort a fetus -- HELLLOOOO -- do they want a medal for following their religion when most of us do that every single day? And this is why regular hardworking folks come into these churches and dig deep to give a love offering to these two con artists? Unreal.

Anonymous said...

I don't know that Jon and Kate lead a lavish lifestyle by any stretch. Their home is not that big and isn't in a particularly nice neighborhood or area of Lancaster County. They don't have to fund the trips you see on tv. It seems to me like they are being very wise and stockpiling their money for when the show is over. There is not an easy way they could support the kids with fulltime daycare and I think they know it wouldn't be best for the kids to have parents working swingshifts so it's one on eight. I think they have faults but, I do think they are working to make sure there is money for when the show is over.

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned wondering how wired the new house will be? I thought about that too- I keep imagining them ending up in something like the Big Brother house. (Hey- Kate would probably cherish the isolation!)

And major dittos to those who mentioned bringing the germiness of bringing the kids into the NICU. Yikes.

Paula said...

I think they have faults but, I do think they are working to make sure there is money for when the show is over.
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Some of us manage to make enough to live and on, sometimes, with somthing left over for vacations and college funds, without using our children's lives as the vehicle for making that money.

Anonymous said...

I will agree that the house isn't a huge one. Here in the DC area that house would be upwards of what, $900,000, about that. But they do live a lavish lifestyle compared to most couples their age, especially ones who don't work.

ThreeFarmers said...

I agree with this, and always found it interesting that posters always remark about Mady's issues when it's clear Cara has them as well but doesn't verbalize them as much.

I've heard psychologists say that it's really the "quiet ones" that you need to worry about. I view Mady's feistyness as a *good* sign--it means that she won't easily put up with nonsense and will defend herself when needed. I wonder if Cara's "path of least resistance" might be a form of learned helplessness, which may lead to clinical depression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness.)


You, of course, are right.

My support of Mady has a lot to do with the fact that she is the one who is picked on all the time. People like to say that she's just a brat or that she needs discipline. I think her problems go beyond that. Cara absolutely has her issues as well and deserves to have her needs met just as much as Mady.

Fortunately for Cara, she isn't labeled as "difficult" and she isn't belittled on message boards by viewers and on camera by her parents as much as Mady is.

Anonymous said...

"No, you can tour certain areas of the NICU. If you notice they aren't touring the highest level NICU."
I have no problem with the reasoning behind allowing ADULTS the opportunity to tour a hospital/NICU and various departments thereof. However, IMO there is absolutely no valid reasoning behind allowing 8 children, 6 under the age of 4, and their accompanying production entourage to infringe upon the working operations of a NICU floor as well as the hospital staff.

~D~ said...

Another sad Mady moment this episode was when the doctor said all the kids were "normal, healthy...etc" and Mady said "I'm perfectly normal!" and the Dr says "Who said anything about you?" (or something to that extent). He might as well have said "You're not important!" It was rude.

That's not what happened. Someone said that it's surprising that the sextuplets were all healthy normal kids. Mady chimed in "I wouldn't say they're normal!!"

~D~ said...

I have no problem with the reasoning behind allowing ADULTS the opportunity to tour a hospital/NICU and various departments thereof. However, IMO there is absolutely no valid reasoning behind allowing 8 children, 6 under the age of 4, and their accompanying production entourage to infringe upon the working operations of a NICU floor as well as the hospital staff.

To me they looked to be standing WAY back behind some sort of half wall. They weren't infringing upon anything. Kate made sure they all whispered and she herself made comments like "Are you sure we can go in?"

I'm not Kate's biggest fan but I think it makes GWoP look bad when we pick apart things that J&K do just for the sake of being mad. All hospitals have different policies.

Anonymous said...

"There is not an easy way they could support the kids with fulltime daycare and I think they know it wouldn't be best for the kids to have parents working swingshifts so it's one on eight."

Supporting a family and accepting responsiblility as a parent is never an EASY task. There are many families consisting of 8+ children and the parents work and manage to balance their responsibilities as provider and parent. Thats the problem with J & K, they want all in life to come EASY, a FREE ride, at the expense of others, including their children. Regardless of whether they are 'stockpiling' their money for a later date, it's the means by which they acquired said money that is questionable.

Barbara in VA said...

Yes, that's what I heard as well. Someone said the tups were perfectly normal and Mady said "I wouldn't say perfectly normal". It was just the kind of thing an older sibling would say. I can picture my older sister having said that in a similar situation. And it was funny and to me normal that she said that. I think both the twins are awfully bright and hurts to see them put through all this and whatever we don't see in school with the teasing and what-not. Maybe school is a refuge? I hope so, but I fear kids will be kids always.

I'm sorry, but picking apart aside, it was not okay to have those kids in an area where babies are fighting for their lives. Period. I know hospitals often bend the rules for whatever publicity reasons, but this is outrageous and if I had been a parent with a baby in that fragile state there I'll tell you that I would've had a fit about it.

Anonymous said...

I checked on my Tivo...whichever little girl that is DOES say "We're gonna have a baby, too," and Jon repeats "Yeah, we're gonna have a baby."

??????????????????????

And the part where they were reminiscing about the hospital being the same, Kate says, "It's not a bad smell normally, but to me being pregnant, the SMELL, like it hit me and I was like (drawn in breath)." It's hard to tell for sure whether they are talking about when she walked in there pregnant with sextuplets or walking in this time, but coupled with the comment about having a baby it makes me wonder!

I know on their updated website it specifically says they will not be having any more children, but what were they talking about? And obviously the editors intentionally left it in the episode...

FIONA said...

I thought it was tacky of Kate to fold the check and hand it to the person. That meant I guess that Kate didn't want the lady to open the check until Kate left? that was weird. If you are going to give money, tell everyone how much.
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No that was not tacky to fold the check....and it would have been very tacky had Kate turned to the camera and said, "this check is for x amount" ARRGH!

Anonymous said...

I have to say it was not tacky to fold the check... that is actually in most ettiqutte books and 'miss manners' type of columns that when one is giving a check in person to another the polite and proper thing to do is to fold it.

Anonymous said...

Yes, folding the check was the right thing to do. I've done it myself when just handing a check to someone for a donation and I think that is proper. Amazing! Maybe someone told Kate to do that.

I have just written to the National Enq. on their web site and asked them to again look into this Jon & Kate scam (what I consider a scam) and especially into what is happening to the children. Now I'm not a Nat Enq reader, but I do know that they have the resources to dig deep and to be on the spot (like in the Edwards case). And so I just took a chance. I have written to all the sponsors, to J&K themselves, although if they don't read anything but praise then they didn't read mine, to TLC and to any org or church you have listed here that intends to have Kon speak.

Other than praying I just don't know what else to do. Any suggestions? It is very hard for me to just sit on my hands and think about especially the boys, but all the children and that day after day their little souls are being sucked out by Kon.

Anonymous said...

ThreeFarmers said...
I agree with this, and always found it interesting that posters always remark about Mady's issues when it's clear Cara has them as well but doesn't verbalize them as much.

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Dont you kind of find it funny that there is no happy medium? If your acting out (Mady) you need help - if you dont act out (Cara) you need help. I dont understand that...and I am in no way shape or form taking up for j&k.
On another note - I saw someon wrote that it specifically says that they wont be having anymore children on there website, but it actually says "I can honestly say, unless God has different plans, we wont be having anymore children" I kind thats why she says "I can HONESTLY say unless GOD has different plans" meaning she's probably pregnant and it was a "surprise" b/c she has fertility problems.

Anonymous said...

I was a lot like Mady as a child. I did things like complain that every single day was the worst day of my life, whine about everything, and throw tantrums when everything wasn't perfect. But in this family, it's not Mady I worry about most. It's Cara. See, my sister was the Cara in my family. I always got a great deal of attention, though it was never enough for me. But my sister was always very quiet. She wanted more attention, she needed someone to pay attention to her, she didn't want to always remain in the shadows. But my parents were so happy to have her, the "easy child." They complained about me often, and they always praised her. While that did bother me, I was the type of girl that would verbalize it--complain and moan and whine until my parents gave into my demands. My sister wouldn't talk about it. She just sat quietly in the shadows, hoping that someone would give her what she craved so desperately. But she never got it. All the attention was focused on me, just as in this family, all the attention is on Mady and the tups. While we can all see that this situation is upsetting to Mady, Cara doesn't wear her emotions on her sleeves like her sister does. And based on the way we know Kon, they'll never realize what it is that Cara wants and needs. And she's the one that will end up scarred for life, and I fear for her and I pity her.

ThreeFarmers said...

ThreeFarmers said...
I agree with this, and always found it interesting that posters always remark about Mady's issues when it's clear Cara has them as well but doesn't verbalize them as much.


I did not say that.

That was in bold prior to my response to the person (Anonymous) who did say that.

I think we all need to pay a little more attention to whom we are quoting. I try to always use bold letters for someone else's words when I'm responding to them. My words generally follow in regular font.

The things I DO say generally get me in enough trouble as it is. *winky* *winky*

Anonymous said...

You said "No, you can tour certain areas of the NICU. If you notice they aren't touring the highest level NICU. I live locally and a friend who works at Hershey said the parents with children in the NICU had the option to have them moved over to a higher level to avoid the cameras since it was a large group with young children."

Why would they ask any parents to move their critically ill children just so they can "have a memory"
Bad Hospital, Bad

Anonymous said...

They refered to the condo as "our timeshare" but it was clear that they hadn't been there before they stayed after the tups birth and they hadn't been back since so it was probably rented for them or donated to them. They don't talk about it like it's their vacation home.

Hugabug said...

Anonymous said:

No, you can tour certain areas of the NICU. If you notice they aren't touring the highest level NICU. I live locally and a friend who works at Hershey said the parents with children in the NICU had the option to have them moved over to a higher level to avoid the cameras since it was a large group with young children.

I was actually one of those (abet part of a very small minority) that didn't have a problem with the tour. I figured that everyone would have been required to scrub their hands (I had to do that before visiting my nephew in the NICU), use sanitizer, etc. Some standard precautions would have been taken I assume. I could be wrong.

Now I'm bothered. I just don't think that parents should have been put in the position between choosing between cameras in their faces or moving their sick babies upstairs.

Anonymous said...

I saw the rerun tonight about visiting the hospital.
Kate said to the twins that when the tups were born (or coming home to the condo) that the twins went to stay with Grandmom. Then she said that it was the FIRST time they went to Grandmom's. That's right when Mady asked why they went there.
They were almost 4, and they had never gone to Grandmom's???

Dew said...

"They lead a lavish lifestyle? Really? Because a TV show is footing the bill for some of their vacations, sponsors support them with clothes and product and they write a check to a charity? I have to disagree. The word "lavish" is quite a stretch here. I would say comfortable is more like it. To speculate they are saving no money is your opinion. What evidence do you have to support your statement?"

No, comfortable is MY lifestyle: A modest vacation every few years. A decent apartment. I get new clothes from time to time and I can pay my bills, usually. I ccertainly can't afford organic food, vanity surgeries or transcontinental trips or beach houses, let alone a family of 10. And FYI I'm living on a lawyer's salary which ain't exactly what you make at McDonalds. I really cannot fathom how these parents cannot be considered to lead a lavish lifestyle. Regardless they are being paid for the show in "freebies" or cash money, it is blood money from their children they pump into plastic surgery, hair plugs, spas, skiing vacations, outer banks vacations, Hawaii, Disney World. Limos. Nannnies. Organic food. Matching clothes from big labels. Private school. Please, this family's opulance, especially given they have 8 kids, is out of control.

Regarding, "To speculate they are saving no money is your opinion. What evidence do you have to support your statement?" My post was in response to another poster who said Jon and Kate were probably putting the money into college funds. My point was we don't know if they are doing that either. We have no CLUE what they are doing with their money, and that is the frightening part. And the bigger point is that the law should force them to save their children's hard earned money. Without a law, it is anyone's guess what these selfish parents will do between now and their 18th birthday. Hopefully they will do the right thing, but without a law forcing them to, there is no safety net for those little TLC employees who can't speak up for themselves. And even if Jon and Kate do the right thing, do you really trust every other reality show parent to do the right thing with their children's money? Back in the day we used to trust stage parents, and look how that turned out.

On another note, if they're really saving up all their money now, why keep accepting freebies? They can pay for it themselves now.

dotsicle said...

With all the fuss about Mady supposedly being tired of/ upset by the cameras, I'd like to wonder out loud why she said (in a not-so-long-ago episode) that she wants her own show on the Disney Channel ?

Anonymous said...

Remember the chair interview shown last month when everyone noticed that Kate didn't look right, and seemed on the verge of looking distraught in front of the camera? Just wondering if that week she was either suffering from the realization of her detractors coming against them....or maybe she just found out she was pregnant.
Personally, I think she doesn't have any fertility problem at all.
My relative didn't have menses during her teen years, then she was very irregular. Anyone would think she would never have kids. She's pregnant with her third one right now.
Jon definitely said in the hospital "Yeah, we're having a baby". I just noticed that he didn't say "getting" a baby, which he might have, if they were adopting.
Since no one questioned him...I'm guessing that it's already known throughout the family. Seems like one of them would have asked something about it, following his remark.
Sitting on the interview chair, she looks very thick through the middle. Maybe a pregnancy....or maybe a sign of "the good life" with free food and free meals.
Time will tell us.

Anonymous said...

I think this is delightful! My own kids would have done this. She is certainly just being a seven year old.

Anonymous said...

They ARE living a lavish lifestyle. Just like Elvis in his hey day--stores, restaurants and parks are closed off or opened on days off for them.
Lavish lifestyle does NOT mean that they are paying for everything. Lavish means that they are heaping extras onto their families, enjoying very expensive vacations and always wearing brand new clothes. Lavish also refers to the fact that people come to their home and do their work for them, including child care, lawn care, house cleaning, ironing, etc...and also that daily they are opening up parcels sent to them filled with free goodies. Did you see the episode where Jon said that their family alone could fill the dumpster that he regularly visits with cardboard? Some of that cardboard shown was from boxes shipped to them.
Lavish also means that people accompany you on frequent trips to care for your children.
This is not how the average person lives; and of course doesn't even seem real to those who are on the low income level in life.
So, that is lavish.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said: "I saw the rerun tonight about visiting the hospital.
Kate said to the twins that when the tups were born (or coming home to the condo) that the twins went to stay with Grandmom. Then she said that it was the FIRST time they went to Grandmom's. That's right when Mady asked why they went there.
They were almost 4, and they had never gone to Grandmom's???"

I heard that too and I think Kate meant that it was the first time they had gone to Grandmom's overnight.

Anonymous said...

I watched the "re run" of Kates Labor Day..during the visit or part of the visit to the hopsital and Kate sitting on the couch at the condo she was loudly smacking on gum..and I did pay close attention to the kid asking Jon about their baby and he says ...something like" yes we are getting our baby"..anyone explain??!?!?!

Anonymous said...

the parents with children in the NICU had the option to have them moved over to a higher level to avoid the cameras since it was a large group with young children.

Talk about selfish. If your child is in the NICU, the last thing you should have to do is accomodate a camera crew for a vanity program like J&K. Makes you wonder - would Kate have gone along quietly if she had been asked to move her children from the NICU because of a television show featuring another family?? This wasn't a documentary to be shown to parents facing the issues of a very sick baby - this was to make money for the Gosselins.

Hershey Medical Center should be ashamed for participating in this circus - I don't care how much of a donation Figure 8 made to the hospital (I'm assuming that they made some donation or paid some fee- perhaps I'm wrong??)

Anonymous said...

Just to throw this out there--- the sign that Mady put on a door was not on her bedroom door but either on the downstairs bathroom or the twins study room.

Anonymous said...

QUOTEJust to throw this out there--- the sign that Mady put on a door was not on her bedroom door but either on the downstairs bathroom or the twins study room.QUOTE

I don't think it matters one bit, which door it was hanging on. The fact of the matter was Mady wanted some privacy, and felt she wouldn't have received that deserved privacy without a sign. We don't even know if the sign kept the camera out. The camera shouldn't even have filmed the sign.

Barbara in VA said...

Jon has been known to use sarcasm, hasn't he? Maybe when the child asked about them getting a baby or having a baby Jon said sarcastically "Yeah, we're getting a baby". In other words, yeah, right, that's all we need, another baby. (I ask this hopefully)

Grammier said...

I finally watched part of this episode last night. I couldn't take watching all of it. One thing struck me, well actually two people, the twins. At times, Mady seemed angry and sad, and Cara seemed sad and defeated. Angry, sad, and defeated, what words to describe young children, just starting second grade.

Ettie said...

dotsicle said...With all the fuss about Mady supposedly being tired of/ upset by the cameras, I'd like to wonder out loud why she said (in a not-so-long-ago episode) that she wants her own show on the Disney Channel ?
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Because she's SEVEN years old! She cannot sort out her emotions, thoughts and feelings like most adults can. I have a seven year old daughter, one day she wants to be Hannah Montana and the next day she wants to be the president. She has no idea what either of these things actually entail.

The camera sign on the door was just one of many times we have witnessed Mady's disdain for being filmed. She IS able to understand the impact this fiasco has on her everyday life.

I certainly wouldn't want to go to work if everybody in my office was witness to some of my 'not so proud' moments.

Barbara in VA said...

To Ettie: I agree with you whole heartedly there. Can you imagine strolling into your office (a la Mady and Cara's school class) to find that your co-workers had the night before witnessed you in your bathing suit, your brothers on the potty, your parents talking about you in unkind terms? But Kon does not think like we do. It is all about the money. They have said they do not care what anyone thinks and I do believe they meant that. Just keep the dollars rolling in and they'll have the little ones doing a "spontaneous" song, dance and pony-show in a circus tent before long.

Anonymous said...

Lately I've been watching the shows after reading the blog because I apparently miss a lot of what's going on in the background. I now watch for the controversial moments in each episode, and honestly, they're not as bad as they are made out to be. A lot of people are misunderstanding nuances and taking things out of context. Now, there are many blatant uncomfortable moments, but I see many spontaneous positive moments as well. I saw Kate lovingly playing with Aadens hair in the delivery room. It didn't look forced, she was talking as she was doing it and it was in a loving manner the same way I do it with my son when talking to someone.

I didn't hear any kid saying anything about having "our baby". I couldn't keep rewinding just to look for it. I was listening for it the whole episode but could never find it.

I also watched carefully when Mady said something about them not being normal and the doctor responded. I even rewatched it and it wasn't as bad as some think it was. She gave a smart aleck remark and they all laughed and the doctor came back with a sarcastic comment like "now we weren't talking about you" - as if he were deflecting it back to her. I think he was just joking with her but that kind of sarcasm probably went over her head. Everyone laughed at what she said though no one mentioned it here.

There are other examples I could mention but I would ask if you are going to make a comment about context, please make sure you get it right and are not JUST adding your opinion. I do NOT like these 2 parents at all, J&K - but like Truth and Penn Mommy said, that they will defend them if they see inaccuracies. Try not to report your opinion as fact please.

ThreeFarmers said...

It's a fact of life that a person's actions say more about their intentions than their words.

A person can say anything, but their actions will almost always let you know everything you need to know about them.

Of course Mady wants her own show on the Disney Chanel, any 7-year-old loves anything to do with Disney and most of Mady's life experiences have been in front of the camera, so television is the only job she knows. But her actions say a whole different story. She might mug for the camera one minute, but the next she is scowling, running away or putting her hand over the lens.

crystal said...

I don't where to post this, so I'm putting here. I used to watch the show and for the same reasons as a lot of other people have given, I don't anymore.
The proverbial straw, though, was when I read that Aunt Jodi was banished from the J&K empire. I think she and her her husband were and remain genuinely concerned for them (the kids) and their 4 children were very close to the Gosselin 8. From what I could see they were the only playmates they ever had. Now crociduraKate has
taken that lifeline away too. And as an aside observation, it didn't seem to matter that the Kons could ask Jodi and Kevin to babysit their eight children while they went off on another paid-for-by-someone-else excursion, we never saw an episode where Jodi dropped her four off so Kate would be watching all twelve.
Having said that, I understand why. Jodi would never place her children in harms way. She probably more than realized Kate would have the mother of all meltdowns.

Anonymous said...

I'm over this show...I can't bear to watch them add another "actor" to the guild through their selfless act of "adoption" YUCK!! Scratch one off the list TLC. I think Dancing With the Stars is on that night.

damagedgoods said...

Just like someone else on this thread wrote, I too have a "Mady."
And like the other poster, she too was born this way, as I suspect Mady was. Making a very long story short she is much calmer now ( she is only 4) and has less frequent outbursts. This took a LOT of work on my husband's and my part. We also consulted a child psychologist. It takes a lot of patience and trial and error to find what works for your child. Consistency is key.
My heart breaks for Mady, although I can understand Jon and Kate's frustration with her, as only the parent of a child like that can. There were, and still are, days when my daughter just emotionally wore me down.
I can empathize with how hard it must be for Jon and Kate when they have 7 other children to deal with; however, they must be the ones to take the bull by the horns and address the situation. We still see a lot of outbursts so it seems like they do not have this handled yet. Mark my words, it will only get worse, not better. She will not "outgrow" it.

IMHO, the cameras absolutely exacerbate the problem. All of the Gosselin kids need their downtime and their safe haven. Good for Mady for finding it!

Anonymous said...

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beachluvin said...

I seriously doubt Kate is pregnant, first of all she doesn't look it at all, not even close.
Secondly, she drank wine on the 4th of July, she may be stupid but I doubt she's that stupid.
And, Jon said Kate wanted to adopt when he spoke at the Twin Conference in Boston just a couple of months ago.
The focus should be where they are adopting this baby(ies) from.

A few people mentioned that adding a baby would prolong the show, but I doubt it. It was the uniqueness of having twins and sextuplets that was the focus and center of fascination.
Now, if they adopted a set of multiples that's a different story...and I don't put it past them!
You would be surprised how many people think Kate walks on water, perhaps an unwed pregnant teenager that was in admiration of Kate contacted her because she found out she was carrying twins or maybe even triplets.

Some of the best moments on the show was when the tups would talk, "him will frow up on you" or when they mispronounced words like "hairplane".
I've mentioned this before but that cuteness is wearing off being replaced by more whining and brattiness. The baby talk will stop soon as the preschool teacher will instruct the parents to discourage it in preparation for kindergarten.

iluveeyore said...

"Even if J&K wanted the cameras gone, there is no way they are going to let out a contract that easily. TLC and Figure 8 will sue them so fast for breach of contract that it would probably make everything worse."

I suspect that all they would have to do is show how disruptive the presence of the tv crew is in their child's lives. Their lives are abnormal. No judge would rule against that.

Even Paul Petersen of A Minor Consideration offered them lawyers to help them get out of any contracts they have.

Anonymous said...

I too have a "Mady" child. She is six and very much like Mady....they could be twins. She too was absolutely born this way. From birth she had tantrums straightening her legs to a standing position and holding herseelf like that if being held by someone. She still has tantrums if not getting her way. This is her and has always been. Being on tv would be terrible for her and I. I would think that Madys classmates may tease her about athat. Poor Mady. She may not act like that at school, my "Mady" doesn'tm but her home life is televised once a weeknight and 4 times daily on TLC. Jon and Kate I plead with you to give Mady and quiet Cara time off camera when at home. I understand your frustrations and hers too. How would we like it if our peeers saw us in our private time? I like my privacy and so do your kids. YOu have a healthy family now lets make them a happy one too! Please.

Anonymous said...

I live about 25 minutes away from Morristown Memorial Hospital.I have emailed the hospital regarding the Gosselins visit, so far no response yet. I will definitely be going if it is a public event. So curious as to whether they will be speaking, and what they will be speaking about. I would think that with all the info out there about them they would be hesitant to speak in public for fear of being asked all the questions everyone is wondering about

K.C. said...

Anon said..."I would think that with all the info out there about them they would be hesitant to speak in public for fear of being asked all the questions everyone is wondering about."

Based on comments left elsewhere on this blog, by individuals who have attended one of their various speaking engagements, they are being asked those questions and J&K are refusing to answer such questions. One poster stated that J&K were asked 3 or 4 of these questions, (IIRC in a row?), and it was very uncomfortable. Apparently, they even ended up cutting that particular speech short.

Anonymous said...

I would love it if David Nelson would make a comment on Mady's sign. After all, here's a man who spent part of his youth in front of a camera playing himself. But, I doubt if that will happen as I think one lesson he learned from his parents is to value his privacy.

Anonymous said...

I think it is rather interesting that J & K have over the course of numerous episodes stated that their children aren't allowed to/ dont watch much TV. Considering their very livlihood is dependant on others watching J & K + 8 the reality show. Perhaps families all across America should follow the practice of J & K and turn their television sets off starting this Monday at 9pm ( apply time zones as needed)

Adam Bomb 1701 said...

I actually stopped watching "J&K" a while back, when Fox began to run "House" episodes on Mondays. Now that the good Doctor is back on Tuesdays, I see no reason to return to the Gosselins.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, the ONLY way to end this show is for all of us to stop watching it! I used to like it, now I find myself tuning in just to see the downward spiral! We all need to stop being so curious about this family, stop watching, the ratings will fall and TLC will cancel the series!!!!!

helloall said...

I used to watch this show all the time, now I can't stomach Kate for more than 5 minutes. The show should focus on the kids, not the parents free tummy tucks, hair plugs, and such. Greed has made it's way into their house and the kids are suffering for it.

Georgia said...

Found on growingyourbaby.com

sarah on July 23rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm

i came across this in a group thought you should know what some cruel people who live around you have said. i don’t know if there is an email you have set up. this is what was written
I have been following the unfolding issues regarding Jon & Kate Plus 8 for some time now however have kept my mouth shut about their family until now.

I happen to live in the same development as Jon & Kate and have never found them to be personable people. I will say that when they first moved in, you could get a waive out Jon or at least he would acknowledge your presence. However recently i’ve noticed that is no longer the case.

Kate has NEVER been personable. Numerous times I can recall walking around the development and seeing her doing what she does best (sitting on her butt while a volunteer helper chases after the children). So many times I’ve extended a greeting or a waive and she just looks the other way and does not take the time to acknowledge my existence.

With that said, I was NOT very surprised recently when the topic in the development was the very unfriendly signs that they have now placed in their front yard. A total of 3 signs are now posted in front of their house. The signs read:

Do not stop in front of our house, do not take pictures and do not stop and talk to us.

I wish I were kidding, but I am not. My question, is who do these people think they are. First and foremost they live on a public street so anyone can camp out on that street all day long if they so desired. Secondly, have they now reached the point that they are willing to publicly display their feelings that they are too good for the rest of the world??

After seeing them appear on the numerous talk shows, I was so amazed at the things that came out of Kates mouth. Just being a neighbor, I knew she was lying when she claimed to have very little help with the kids. I see volunteers in and out of that house all the time, I see the volunteers in the front chasing her kids around and I can see their backyard from my house and see Kate again just sitting on the swing while others tend to her children.

She wants to complain that she’s so tired, blah blah blah….try actually raising a family and you will see how tiring it actually is. There are plenty of families that are not profiting from choosing invetro and having 8 kids. Those families struggle to make ends meet, meanwhile Jon and Kate are lying and having everything handed to them. There are families in this world who are in dire need of help….this family is NOT one of them and its about time that people realize this.

I will say, I have never spoken to Jodi either, however have seen her in the development and she has always given a waive and/or a smile. I have many friends within the development who agree that she is a great person who is getting the raw end of this deal.

Kate is nothing compared to millions of moms out there, Kate is weak and although she chose this life path,she is milking it for what its worth…and Jon does what he does best and sits there with his tail between his legs. Jon needs to grow some balls and start doing what is right. Their children are learning nothing more than how to dupe good people into helping someone who is not in need.

I say their 15 minutes of fame should soon come to an end, and we all start helping those families truly in need. The truth is surfacing about this family and it is about time.

I applaud Jodi for her maturity, and join in with the rest of those laughing at Kate and Jon for being the idiots that they are!!

Jodi’s sisters blog is awesome as well, and i’m so glad that someone is putting the truth out there….FINALLY!!!

On a final note, Kate being the honest person that she is, has she ever mentioned the incident recently where she backed into another vehicle and then drove away without giving her information to the other driver? Well, the other driver got her plate and little Ms. Kate got a visit from the police! I guess Kate thought she was too good to talk to the person she hit too!!

berkscounty said...

The fact that Hershey Med would allow such nonsense as camaras and a tour of the NICU really disturbs me immensely! My son is a frequent visitor to Hershey Med due to a kidney defect. While we have been blessed that he has never had to be there for more than testing. We still have a small possibility he may need surgery there someday. As I read about the NICU thing I feel my blood pressure rising. If Hershey is willing to compromise in that way, what else would they compromise?? Maybe I'm biased, we were always led to believe that Hershey was an awesome pediatric establishment. I'm sure they do some great work. We've met some stellar staff through our experience. But we have also met some less than stellar staff, surprising for a university level hospital.
That aside, if that was my son in the NICU I would have flipped s**t about KON and Co parading through.

Anonymous said...

I am a fan of the show and I think all eight kids are as cute as can be. When the show first started John and Kate seemed truly overwhelmed and were thankful for every little bit of help they received, right down to the nice lady who would come in and fold their laundry. As the show has progressed the children are still wonderful but I feel a sense of entitlement in J and K and wonder if that is beginning to rub off on those little cuties. I hope they pull the plug on the show while they are still have wonderful, caring, thoughtful and respectful children. I really do think that J and K are doing what they feel is best but the cracks are beginning to show. And Kate, please let John finish his own sentences, he is not another one of your children.