Jon & Kate and the Magical Number 8

I read it over and over again - "give Kate a break - she has eight!" "Don't judge until you have 8 kids!" "8 kids! 8!!!"

I'm not saying having 8 kids is easy. I'm not saying having one kid is easy. I'm sure if a doctor told me I had multiple developing embryos in my uterus, I'd spend the rest of the day huddled under a comforter with a box of tissues. If not a whole week. And then crawl out, square my shoulders, and deal with it.

But why does the number 8 give Jon & Kate a pass on the quality of how they speak to their family? Why is Kate's behaviour supposed to be excusable if she has 8 kids?

What if it were Jon & Kate Plus 6? Is that when we can all agree that it's selfish for parents to fly across the country for a free hair transplant, leaving six sick kids in the care of a relative?

What if it were Jon & Kate Plus 4? Is it still forbidden to criticize her for threatening to throw Collin's bear because it had a bit of gum on it? Would everyone look at Collin sobbing and begging, and feel for the little guy then?

What if she hadn't gotten pregnant for a second time? Is it okay then to go "WTF?" when she uses a hypothetical forest full of sizzling and burning small animals, to explain to a 7 year old why they can't shoot off fireworks?

When the parents drive 75 miles to a bakery, then the mother helps one of the girls finish her supper, but nobody tells the boys they haven't eaten enough to get a cupcake, is 8 kids really a good defense?

You know, there are lots of people who deal with 8 or more children at a time, all day, who still treat people with dignity and respect. Day care workers. Teachers. If you witnessed your child's teacher shouting at them for sneaking pieces of strawberry while decorating a cake, would you shrug it off because s/he has to deal with 8+ children at a time?

Doctors and nurses and dentists deal with a parade of children all day, but they don't shrug off the kids by saying they have low blood sugar (I hope). If the child has a problem, they deal with it.

"Sure", I can hear some of you thinking, "these are professionals. They have to be patient and courteous to the children because they're paid to be."

So Kate doesn't have to be patient? Because she has 7 other children? (Which she has a nanny for).

And what about the McCaugheys? They have 8. They have 7 children the same age. Two of which have cerebral palsy. They're not on TV, whining. They limit themselves to yearly updates. The parents work for a living. They're dealing with 8. Why can't Jon & Kate?

So why is 8 so magical? What is the number of kids that she has to have before her behaviour can be brushed away by saying "She has "X" kids!!!"

144 comments:

Praying for Snow said...

As appalling as I think Kate's behavior is on the show, I had never thought of it *exactly* that way.

This is a good blog post. It makes you wonder...why IS it okay, just because there are 8?

watching a trainwreck said...

no matter how many kids she popped out, Kate's shelfishness, favortism, dramaticism, rudeness, narcissism, opportunism, begging, ungratefullness and all around exploitation of her children for personal gain (under the guise of "doing it for the children") are most certainly NOT ok.

eightisnotanexcuse said...

Excellent post and you make a very real point. My mother has 11 kids. Only one set of twins, but the rest of us are very close in age. She is a kind, gentle, caring and GIVING person. I'm one of the oldest and I have never once heard her use us kids as an excuse for anything. She did it without any help beyond my dad and the occasional neighbor or family member during a true time of need. I could go on, but you get the point.

There are many excuses Kate or her defenders could use to explain away her bad behaviors if she/they wanted to, but having 8 kids is not a valid one. Quite frankly, I'm so tired of hearing it.

Sue said...

Good Post! Eight is not that big of a deal! Eight all the same ages is challenging I'm sure, but, it should be getting easier by now.

I am one of 8. Growing up in a big family has it's ups and downs. We were on a budget...no gap clothes or trips to Hawaii...but we have many good memories. Yes, I have said before, my mother was a moody control freak like Kate and it wasn't always easy. But, we were taught to be grateful for everything we had and all the blessings we were given. We didn't have help..no chefs or nannies..but we were always expected to be respectful of babysitters or other adults that came in and out of our house. My mother, as crazy as she could be at times, would've been eternally grateful for any help. And a Bagful of NEW clothes from Walmart!!! That would've been like Christmas Morning to us! My mother was always "exhausted" too. She had reason to be. She really did do everything. We all had to pitch in and do chores. I learned at a young age how to cook dinner for a family of 10. Kate is not unique!!

Anonymous said...

I don't think people are saying it's ok but are excusing this poor behavior. But there is no excuse for the way she treats her family. If I treated my husband the way she treats Jon I don't know how much longer I'd have a husband.

Any parent gets tired, frustrated, upset and yes, even angry with their children at times. The true test of a good parent is how they deal with it. But Kate treats her children poorly when she ISN'T tired, frustrated, upset or angry.


We only see a portion of their life, the parts the editors of the show want us to see. Can you even imagine how she acts when the cameras are off?

[shudder]

Zoe said...

First of all, an excellent post. Everything you've just said is perfectly true, and it's certainly not issues that have remained untouched until now. Even if she is a mother of eight, she's not doing it alone. She has a husband and a nanny to help her, not to mention a film crew. No one would defend her if she had fewer children and behaved the same way, which I have ever confidence she would.

The professional excuse is hardly a valid one. Kate was a professional as a nurse, and must have learned some tolerance for difficult patients. That aside, she is being paid for her services as a mother. She's exploiting her children and earning a hefty living off it, and can't manage a patient talk with one of her children? She can't explain to a three year old why he shouldn't get gum on his bear, or to a seven year old why she shouldn't do illegal things. Not only will these children end up with all of the problems being raised on television will provide for them, which is more than enough for one person. They will also have to live with the fact that their mother acted in the way she did, favouring some children over others. They might even grow to resent one another, which is the last thing they need when they should be supporting one another.

Mit said...

I totally ageee. As a mom of 7 I am working on a post for this site that adresses this exact thing.

Pepperpot3 said...

If you ask me it is only because the name Kate rhymes with the number 8. If Kate's name had been Clarissa, Joan, or Susan then there wouldn't the cutesie factor to tie into their shameless exploitation sham of a "reality" TV show. J&K plus 8 was more than likely the name of their pitch when they were shopping their show around to the networks.

Anonymous said...

I am wondering if Kate is getting out of control with her demands so the crew is filming her lies in direct juxtoposition with what really happens (i.e. when she made that elaborate explanation about how the girls were protective of their cake decorations and didn't want the boys to help....then they clearly show a girl saying about joel "he wants to help" and KATE being the one who said "he can't help" without looking at him and Joel's sad face as he left)

I see this kind of thing more and more. Now they filmed Mady's sign. Maybe figure 8 can't handle Kate anymore and they want out at some level so they are making it easy for child advocates to come in and are showing ample evidence that the kids are not happy.

If you think about it, Kate has no more outlets for her tirades other than Jon, the kids and the crew and producers. And since it is all about money for all of them, they won't take it past a certain point. They might be getting really to move on. I'll bet they had Kate herself sign confidentiality agreements so that once the show does end, she won't be able to complain and play the victim. As she alwasy does when her "relationship" with people "who's goal is to help us" inevitable ends. Wouldn't THAT be just desserts!

Anonymous said...

You could tape my household 24/7 - we have 6 children [21,19,18,17,16 & 10] and you would never see the following:

- Me hitting my husband - even jokingly
- Me being cruel or derisional towards my husband
- My husband being a comlete and utter laydown towards me
-Either my husband or I telling our children "ignore the[other parent]
- telling my sons "No - you can't help" b/c either they are dirty or not female
- Allowing any of my children to hit another without consequence
- allowing 4 years olds to wear bibs, use potty seats or still use sippy cups
-going on free vacations when our children were toddlers [5 at least] and melting down just to "make memories". We were never offered [obviously], we knew better than to attempt such a trip [we could afford it] and what kind of memories would a kid have with the melt down Kate displayed?
-professing to be Christian and acting in another manner that suggests I am not.

This list would could be endless.

Am I the perfect Mom? No.
Have I had "my days"? You bet.
Would you catch me be or my husband being anything like J or K in our daily lives if WE were taped for 24/7?

Not on my childrens' lives.

Don't use the excuse that they are taped and someone can always find something wrong. I am sure people would find fault with me in some way, but not to the extent that they have sold their souls and their childrens for a very handsome payoff.

They chose to be filmed in exchange for supplementing the life the they desire.

Nadia said...

Great post, I so agree! I only have three kids but people are always saying to me that they do not know how I do it. My responce is always the same I say

"I do it the same way that you would if you were in shoes. My reality is just different then yours, no better no worse. Just different! I love my life and would not trade it for the world!"

Parents have been raising large families since the dawn of time, IMO children will always be a blessing not a burden.

Sue said...

Obsessive Foodie:

You are right. We all have a side of ourselves that we don't show in public. I am not perfect. My kids will tell you I have times when I am not the perfect parent. The difference is that when this side is shown, I own it, I apologize for it and I try to do better next time. Work in progress as you say... Kate doen't own it or apologize for it. She makes excuses for it. She may try to do better next time. I don't know. From what they show on tv it's not working. As I have said before, If Kate has a softer,gentler side and they don't show it on tv then Shame on TLC for setting Kate up for criticism.

Also, when I fly off the handle or show my flaws, I don't have a camera in my face. My kids and I can talk things out privately. The Gosselin kids don't know what it means to have privacy. Even in a small house with 7 brothers and sisters living 2 and 3 to a bedroom, my parents always made sure we had the expectation and right to privacy. It's important!

Anonymous said...

This is a good post and one I agree with. Growing up in Salt Lake City, Utah with a LOT of LDS people (no, I'm not LDS) many families have more then 8 kids. I am talking 10-12 kids and never once have I seen any one of the mother's treat their children like Kate treats her children. they were treated with respect, kidness, and allowed to just be kids, no extreme punishing when mistakes were made etc. These mom's did EVERYTHING for their kids and helped other mom's who had many children. they never used their children as an excuse and never complained about the burden because they knew it was their choice. I think about that every time I watch J&K plus 8.

Onomatopoeia said...

I would be quite interested to know Jon's role in this whole scheme. Is he a willing participant in the collusion or simply a cojones-less scapegoat (with free hair plugs)?

Anonymous said...

Once when I was in eighth grade at a Catholic grade school, I babysat a class filled with fifty first graders. When it rained, the students couldn't go outside. So, when the first grade teacher ate lunch, one of the eighth grade girls watched over the first graders. The students were very well behaved. None of the teachers ever complained about having fifty students in each class. There were several students who came from large families. I don't think anyone had servants. I have five siblings and both of my parents worked.

Jill said...

thanks for excellent perspective... in our house 2 is the magic number... 2 is enough! 2 is a zoo!!!!

and does dick van patten and willie ames get a kick back from everyone chanting "Eight is Enough" these days...

Mom on the Run said...

The appeal of this show is the uniqueness of 2 sets of multiples. How often does this occur--probably two sets of twins or twins and triplets would not be that unusual with fertility drugs, but sextuplets and twins must be extremely rare.

I would imagine in the beginning that J&K did not have to beg for much of anything. I'm sure once well-wishers, church members, and local folk heard of their plight that material goods came flooding in. Because these generous people had no experience with 2 sets of multiples, they were more likely to give this family the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure we have all encountered a family dealing with the loss of a child or an extended illness and though "I don't know how they cope." Because we don't know how a family manages under trying circumstances, we are more likely to give generously.

In terms of the Gosselins, I believe they have gone too far with the "woe is me." They are not believable anymore...too much publicty, too much sponsorship, and too much money have come their way. The show has become scripted to account for a special day for 8 kids and 2 adults, a trip to Banana Republic for clothes, and a lean Christmas on a budget, which were "saved up for" by this family. We now know that all the days were probably donated and the Christmas presents were obviously product placements. I don't like to be misled. The show is a sham.

Back in one of the specials, the family met up with another family of multiples at an all-you-can-eat restaurant, Shady Maples. Jon pointed out that the restaurant lost money on them as the sextuplets were free. This episode was believable, because we have all been in situations where you are able to go out to eat or visit a museum only because a kid or two is free. At this point I could imagine this couple saving money for a meal out, but now any notion of being frugal is not credible.

In a related note, I know two families with 2 sets of twins. I would doubt that these families got any financial help, but I can tell by talking to them that I have no idea what it entails to feed, etc. multiples. Both wear the mantle of "I have two sets of twins" as badge of honor, but also both families want to make it clear that their parenthood road is much more difficult because of multiples. I have chosen not to confront either family on this high and mighty stance.

dirtydisher said...

8..the number of times Kate tells us she's exhausted in each episode.

8..the number of times she smacks her husband on his hair transplant scar each episode.

8..the number of times they talk about poop in each episode.

8..the number of brain cells they both have left.

8..the number of children they have who wish they lived with Aunt Jodi.

Anonymous said...

We can only hope that they get cancelled soon. I wrote to The Ellen Show and gave her this website. I am hoping the new TLC show " The Louds" is great. Maybe they will replace that weird Kate with a cool mom.

WatchOverThem said...

Kate needs a better way to get to her editing tools.

A better placed "revert" and "delete" command, while moving the "enter" command farther from her fingers would help.

Perhaps she needs simply to re-boot.

Better yet, she should perform a clean-install of all system software, along with hardware updates.

Jon needs to do some serious discussion with Geek Squad, to find the best way to get rid of this virus.

Martina said...

beautifully written, well-articulated and I think it's food for thought for those who still can't call a spade a spade.

Your post represents a side that reflects on GWOP as being positive.

Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I think the first time she plead 8 is when my eye rolling began, and they are still rolling because those two with all the money they've racked up on the back of their minor children still can't seem to buy a clue.

Anonymous said...

Hi all-

Just wanted to share a response I received from the Grand Wailea(2 hour turnaround time, pretty impressive):

"Aloha ,

Thank you for sharing your concerns. We always welcome the feedback of our guests. I would like for you to know it was us, the Grand Wailea, who invited the Gosselin kids to stay at our resort so they can have a wonderful vacation, experience the beauty of Maui and the fun activity pools and slides other kids that have visited our property thoroughly enjoy. Our team members have met the Gosselin kids. They are great kids who deserved to have a fun vacation.
Also, to inform you, the Grand Wailea did not fully host the Gosselins. We did not host the family’s airfares, transportation and activities around the island.

Thank you again for your note. I will look at the website that you have recommended, and thank you for continuing to support the Grand Wailea with your upcoming visit. I welcome the invitation to meeting you on your visit and if you have any other questions regarding the Gosselins’ stay, please don’t hesitate to call me.

Christina, Director Public Relations and Marketing"

I had mentioned that had I been there the same time as the Gosselin family, my vacation would not have been a good one.

I think I am becoming slightly obsessed : I have now written to Grand Wailea, Morristown Hospital, P&G and Good Housekeeping!

Anonymous said...

pepperpot3 said:
"If you ask me it is only because the name Kate rhymes with the number 8. If Kate's name had been Clarissa, Joan, or Susan then there wouldn't the cutesie factor to tie into their shameless exploitation sham of a "reality" TV show. J&K plus 8 was more than likely the name of their pitch when they were shopping their show around to the networks."

When did Kate start going with the name Kate, instead of Katie? If I remember correctly on the ultrasound picture it says "Katie". So, when did "Katie" change her name to Kate? Just for the show? Katie sure doesn't have the same ring as Kate.

Stewie said...

I have often wondered, would it be ok if i treated my husband like a dog, if only we had more kids?

Laura said...

Outstanding Post!

Kate's mistreatment of her children is never okay, whatever the number. Kate the martyr, Kate the exhausted, Kate the overworked, Kate the victim.
Kate, who are you?

Kate is a very, very sad role model for women.

Anonymous said...

The post from Sue, about how a bag of new clothes from Walmart would have made them very happy at Christmas really touched me.

I have delivered Christmas presents to a family that had a barrel burning kerosene as their only source of warmth for the family. Both of the parents worked full time jobs (they came home for lunch to see the presents delivered to their two children. They came home by bus.)

A kind neighbor looked after the children during the holidays.

There is need and there is want.

Randi said...

"In a related note, I know two families with 2 sets of twins. I would doubt that these families got any financial help, but I can tell by talking to them that I have no idea what it entails to feed, etc. multiples. Both wear the mantle of "I have two sets of twins" as badge of honor, but also both families want to make it clear that their parenthood road is much more difficult because of multiples. I have chosen not to confront either family on this high and mighty stance."
I do not agree with everything that Jon and Kate do either, but I got to tell you, having two sets of twins is harder than having 4 kids separately (singletons). I am sorry that you feel that these parents of 2 sets of twins make you feel inferior, but are you sure you are not putting that on yourself? Heck, I have no idea what it takes to rear two sets of multiples. I ust wanted to give you something to think about.
Randi

Anonymous said...

Doesn't Kate's "flaws" make the show more interesting to watch?

Sure, I'm all for making sure the interest of the kids are taken care of,but I certainly don't want the show canceled...

...I want to see what happens next :)

Anonymous said...

On Discovery Health there is a show "Along came six"...its about a lower-class family that had sextuplets, they are about 7 now. Please watch this show, it is insane how VASTLY different these people are. They just deal with the fact they have 6 + 1...i could not believe what i was watching. I wonder if they were millionaires when the kids were 2 and 3? it is absolutely insane how other people in the world actually DEAL with what life throws at them.

dubya said...

Can someone tell me which consignment shop Kate uses?
I'd like to buy the comfy white plastic chair from the garage before they move.

Jen said...

If anything, being a Mom has made me try HARDER to be kind and respectful to people in my family so that I can set a good example. My husband and I go out of our way to do this, not just as a show (because we really do love and respect one another) but also because respect and treating people nicely has a funny way of multiplying itself. You treat someone well, they will likely treat you well.

Kate wants more help from Jon? Then be nice to him for gosh sakes! Kate wants the kids to get along? Get along with the kids! It's really so simple, and I think of it as Parenting 101.

Anonymous said...

Great blog! I totally agree. People always make excuses for her bad behavior because she has 8 kids. Gimme a break! She has loads of company, yet these other large families treat each other respectfully and dont pimp out their kids and do just fine. Kate has help with EVERYTHING, and all she really does is order Jon around like a puppet.

kmihalik said...

I also enjoy the "exhaustion" comments. Katie, WE are exhausted. Here's the deal: parents get tired! Yes, even lowly parents of two (like me) get exhaaaaauuuuusted. Between two jobs, the kids' sports, homework, volunteering etc....with NO nanny, no chef, no donations....Katie, THAT is exhaustion. Your whining exhausts me. And also, I think the way you use your Christianity is repugnant, but like you say, "don't judge."
Ooops, too late.
Must be because I AM EXHAAAUUUUSTED!

Anonymous said...

You make an excellent point. My biggest frustration with the show is the, "coming through, eight kids here" mentality. Everything by there account is "so hard." What must the kids feel like...burdens or blessings?

Anonymous said...

"Thank you for sharing your concerns. We always welcome the feedback of our guests. I would like for you to know it was us, the Grand Wailea, who invited the Gosselin kids to stay at our resort so they can have a wonderful vacation, experience the beauty of Maui and the fun activity pools and slides other kids that have visited our property thoroughly enjoy. Our team members have met the Gosselin kids. They are great kids who deserved to have a fun vacation."

Why use the word 'deserved' in their response? As if the Gosselin children are more worthy of a fun vacation as opposed to other children? Deserved because they WORK so hard providing and making a life for their parents? It is words such as this when describing the Gosslein children or Gosselin family as a whole that I find extremely insulting. It gives the impression that just because they are of the last name ' Gosselin', they are worthy and deserving of special accomodations and preferential treatment. What exactly have these children accomplished in their short life that would require the title of deserving? IMO, it is another example of many of how businesses use the Gosselin children as pseudo poster children for their own self serving agendas. Im sure the Gosselin children's 'deserving' visit will make for great Grand Wailea advertising footage when the episode ultimately airs.
I would like to know how many deserving disabled military veterans and their children has the Grand Wailea offered a personal invitation to ? When you speak of those who are deserving, the list is long and plenty.

anonmom@switched.com said...

"In a related note, I know two families with 2 sets of twins. I would doubt that these families got any financial help, but I can tell by talking to them that I have no idea what it entails to feed, etc. multiples. Both wear the mantle of "I have two sets of twins" as badge of honor, but also both families want to make it clear that their parenthood road is much more difficult because of multiples. I have chosen not to confront either family on this high and mighty stance."

As a mom of both 2 singletons, and a set of triplets...I WILL tell you that having multiples IS HARDER. MUCH harder. Mom's of multiples are not trying to make any one feel inferior, but some people don't GET it. It's tough. It's also WONDERFUL. I get triple the joy!


That said, I have never, ever understood why the number 8 is so magical. I get PO'ed when people call me super mom, because I have 5 kids under the age of 4. I am NOT supermom. I have a heavy load, but I chose this load, and I love it! I am not perfect, I have mental breakdowns...but NEVER in front of the kids. It IS a crazy life, but it's also a *wonderful* life.

Anonymous said...

I have thought about this issue of "how many constitutes a needy family" since they day I started watching the show when the family went to the buffet with the nice man and his large family. Kate or Jon mentioned being good friends with this man and needing him becuase families with multiples relate to each other. I thought that was really nice. Well, I am certain they have run themselves out of that community as well. How could you possibly look another parent of multiples who has 5, 6,7, 8kids themselves and is not getting the easy street life and attention the Gosselins get. Not that anyone in their right minds should want it to this degree. INstead of using the show to give their kids everything they think they should have, how about earning a living, having fun, loving your children, leading a normal, private life, and CONNECT truly with families of multiples. That would be SO much more beneficial to their children, to actually meet other families, play with other children, and especially allow Mady and Cara to relate to other older children in large families with multiples. But alas, this would never work becuase Jon and Kate have chosen other things as more important and driven themselves out of the nice community of families of multiples.

Babsy said...

I have a friend with twins and triplets. She contends that, while having multiples IS harder in some ways, it is also easier in others. Her first reason is that she only had to be pregnant twice! Ha! But she always points out that she only has to drive her multiples to one school, one or two practices, the same friends, and usually hosts the play dates since she feel like hosting her kids is a big burden on friends.

I think trying to compare how "hard" our lives are is stupid. We each find our niche and our routine within our lives, and if we were to be dumped into the middle of anyone else's we'd freak. My issue with Kate is that she has not yet figured her niche out. Instead she keeps adding all these new things to her routine and has to re-adjust constantly to make room for more. Kate is not a flexible woman. I can't imagine all this juggling is doing much for her well being. I try not to be hateful toward her b/c I don't think she has any perspective on what she is doing to HERSELF, let alone her kids and husband. One day she'll have a breakdown and it might be the best thing that ever happens to her.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Kate Gosselin will every figure out what she did wrong. Some people get wiser as they get older. Other people just get worse. Kate is one of those whose attitudes, faults and flaws will get worse as she gets older. If Kate ever has a breakown, it won't give her any insights about herself.

Anonymous said...

I have a cousin EXACTLY like Kate, and she became this way after having triplets and then a singleton a year later.

When she had triplets, I helped her any way I could ( as did many others ). I fed babies, bought diapers, dinners, and cleaned her kitchen numerous times. She became very bossy, short tempered, and expected people to wait on her hand and foot and give her things. She even bossed her husband around and barked orders at him. Sound familiar?

She felt justified in her behavior because "she has four" and "people just don't understand how hard that is". ( Newsflash to women having IVF...if a doctor implants 5eggs, be prepared to have 5 kids and don't complain! ) Good darn thing only 3 developed.

Anyway, I became sick when the trips were 6 and the singleton 5. After all the help I gave her and items I spent my own money on helping her family, not one time did she pick up the phone to talk, not a card, no visit, not a single effort made by her to help me ( I nearly died ). Nothing! Instead, I hear through the grapevone how she and her family go on vacation after vacation after vacation. Here I am possibly dying and unable to work and lost my salary, and she does a disappearing act.

I call her Kate Gosselin Jr. now.

By the way, she is a huge fan of the show. Imagine that.

Mom on the Run said...

In response to Randi's comment:

"I do not agree with everything that Jon and Kate do either, but I got to tell you, having two sets of twins is harder than having 4 kids separately (singletons). I am sorry that you feel that these parents of 2 sets of twins make you feel inferior, but are you sure you are not putting that on yourself? Heck, I have no idea what it takes to rear two sets of multiples. I ust wanted to give you something to think about.
Randi"

Randi--I don't feel inferior to a parent with two sets of multiples. What I was trying to say is that I choose not to get into a one upmanship with these parents. I do the same thing with parents of my children's friends who are constantly comparing grades or bragging about their children's accomplishments. I think in matters of parenting it is better to not compare children, parenting techniques, or other child-related issues. Really nothing good can come of it. Hope this helps.

Anonymous said...

I do not believe the resort in Hawaii, on their own without any suggestion or coercion, invited the G "children" to have this wonderful vacation. Just do not believe it. They were more than likely contacted by Figure 8 and so this now is their story.

I often think of soldiers' families, large and small, who are seriously only barely making it because, unlike Jon & the queen, their husband or wife or dad or mom are putting their very lives on the line each and every day for this country. I would be much more impressed if the hotel had hosted some of those families. Those children really need and deserve a vacation and so do their parents. The G kids have had little but vacations recently; been dragged hither and yon for the cameras.

What must a police officer and family think of a lay-about like Jon Gosselin when they are out in the streets every single day working to ensure our safety and see this young, healthy, early 30's guy strain himself by going to the gym every day and be so rewarded for that? Is Jon's reproductive contribution worth any more than theirs? Is his life worth more, is Kate's?

What are we as a society thinking when we do so little for people who have so little and so much for these pair of con artists that will never ever have enough? It just makes me sad.

Barbara in VA said...

Sorry, I hit the anon thing again. Meant to post under my names above - Barbara in VA.

Anonymous said...

I find it odd that neither parent works. It would seem that both have sketchy employment pasts with many excuses for why they were fired. Their jobs are their show; their show is their life. J&K have melded their show and life in one little package.

With the show and sponsorships for travel, and clothing, the need for them to work is not there. Which leads me to think that if not for the TLC show and sponsorships, the family would surely be on welfare. Neither parent seems willing to make the sacrifices made by working parents everywhere, that is, get a job and support your family. This family are saving the state of PA/federal govt a significant amount of money.

J&K have a large family to support, but don't work. I find their situation and the choices they have made appalling, especially as their children are suffering in the constant glare of cameras.

Onomatopoeia said...

To "anonymous" at 7:19 a.m.:

Two examples (your cousin and Kate) of narcissism at its finest. Check out http://www.narcissism101.com/ .

Also note the DSM IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of empathy, as indicated by at least five of the following:

1. a grandiose sense of self-importance

2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

4. requires excessive admiration

5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes

Generally the first step in addressing this disorder is having the individual admit that he/she has a problem. Unfortunately, that is one of the most difficult things for narcissists since they think they are perfect and above reproach. As far as Ms. G is concerned, the only consolation is that perhaps someday she will reap what she sows. Any intervention at this point would be like putting a bandaid on a brain tumor. It's just extremely unfortunate that her lovely children are caught in this tempest.

Anonymous said...

to the 7:19 anon, Was your cousin cousin helpful and considerate before she had chidren... did she change after she had children... or was she always like Kate? I have a sister like Kate, who is selfish and inconsiderate. My sister has never done anything to help anybody, and she has always been like that.

Anonymous said...

Isn't that wonderful that the Grand Wailea just "invited" the Gosselins to Hawaii.
Just out of the blue like that.
Hmmmmm....guess Kate sent them telephathic ideas.

Anonymous said...

"I would like for you to know it was us, the Grand Wailea, who invited the Gosselin kids to stay at our resort so they can have a wonderful vacation, experience the beauty of Maui and the fun activity pools and slides other kids that have visited our property thoroughly enjoy. Our team members have met the Gosselin kids. They are great kids who deserved to have a fun vacation."

HEY, my kids ARE GREAT!!!! Send me a free vacation!! ALL our kids are GREAT!!! Open the doors and let everyone in!!!! I've never been to Hawaii even though I live in California-- so close! Why them and not us... I have a semi magical uterus... fraternal twins concieved WITHOUT fertility treatments! Does that count?

Anonymous said...

To anon 7:48 am. Thank you for mentioning the families of soldiers. I spent 22 years as an Army wife. A fellow Army wife I know has 8 kids - she did deployments, etc all by herself when her husband was gone. They never got anything free. Oh I think maybe one year a local restaurant gave families of deployed soldiers a $25 gift certificate.

My point is she didn't complain and I'm sure she was exhausted - physically and mentally. Because besides raising the 8 kids by herself a good bit of the time, she was worrying about her husband.

Neither Kate nor Jon realize how lucky they could be if they would only stop and enjoy those little people while they can and do it out of sight of the world.

Nancy said...

If Kate were a preschool teacher, kindergarten teacher, elemetary teacher, what have you, and this was how she ran her classroom she would have been fired a long time ago. Telling children to ignore other teachers, letting the kids hit each other without consequence, hitting the other teachers, etc. It's time she was fired from her reality TV gig so her children can have some privacy.

Anonymous said...

Not sure where I saw the link for the YouTubes of the Gs visit to the Today show and Dr. Phil. May I just say I found the Dr. Phil episode paticularly sickening. Lots of faux tears from Kate about the 3-day a week 4 hours a day Nannies for Hire given by the show. Dr. Phil kept telling them they need help...I suspect he had no idea how much help this family have had since the twins were born. This was followed by a gift from Playskool of $3,000 worth of toys, so the children wouldn't have to share. I have seen the Playskool country house tent and furniture in an episode, but very few other Playskool toys. Where are those toys that were to allow the children to play with toys and not have to share? I wonder if she sold them on ebay!

Now I know why the episode "Kate Hires a Nanny" aired...Dr. Phil plus Nannies for Hire provided for the family--cross ad promotion at its worst. I recall watching the episode thinking that this couople must have a lot of ready cash since nannies are not cheap. Now I know.

ThreeFarmers said...

FYI... There's a new post on the AMC board (www.minorcon.org). It's in the sidebar to the left of the page. The full text can be found by clicking NEWS.. it's the first story.

Worth the read.

Sad said...

Wow! Reading that brought tears to my eyes.
That is a wonderful article. Protection is finally on the way for the Gosslin 8. Bet they make a quick move hither and yon down South to try to "escape" the microscope.

Anonymous said...

"HEY, my kids ARE GREAT!!!! Send me a free vacation!! ALL our kids are GREAT!!! Open the doors and let everyone in!!!! I've never been to Hawaii even though I live in California-- so close! Why them and not us... I have a semi magical uterus... fraternal twins concieved WITHOUT fertility treatments! Does that count?"

comment of the week

ThreeFarmers said...

My cat has a magic uterus, she just had 8 kittens. Eight! And they are already walking!

Anonymous said...

I bought eight pairs of flip flops at the store today: they were on sale. That makes me special. I deserve to be rewarded with a trip to Hawaii.

mlou said...

ThreeFarmers said...
My cat has a magic uterus, she just had 8 kittens. Eight! And they are already walking!

I can't help but nominate this for COTW. I about wet myself!!!

Natasha said...

To answer the original question: I feel confident Jon and Kate would be acting the same way if they had only the sextuplets. I think, to them, TWO sets of multiples is the icing on the cake, the extra kick that gets them the really GOOD goodies...but it's the combination moan/gloat of "six all at oooooonce" that makes them feel so entitled to behave the way they do.

ThreeFarmers said...

My cat has a magic uterus, she just had 8 kittens. Eight! And they are already walking!

OH

She had them in a box under the sink. AND she's breast feeding them all, too! The father's a dead beat, he took off when he found out she was pregnant.

Randi said...

I nominate this as comment of the week:
"My cat has a magic uterus, she just had 8 kittens. Eight! And they are already walking!"

Sara said...

"Can someone tell me which consignment shop Kate uses?
I'd like to buy the comfy white plastic chair from the garage before they move."

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Oh, I love it!! Comment of the Week please!

Sara said...

RE: Anonymous said...
"Doesn't Kate's "flaws" make the show more interesting to watch?

Sure, I'm all for making sure the interest of the kids are taken care of,but I certainly don't want the show canceled...

...I want to see what happens next :)"

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I'm afraid that this one single comment just put the nail in the coffin about why it's so difficult to get the bigwigs to come to their senses. Even if we don't agree with what's going on, we're STILL GOING TO WATCH to see what happens. It's easy to say- well, I'm not going to watch and contribute to this exploitive show- but then we do, to SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I have thought about this comment over and over again, ever since it was posted, and I have decided I WILL BE NO PART OF IT. We, the same people that want to protect these young minds, are only keeping the ratings sky-high. No more. Even if I'm among the few that will do it, it'll rest easier on my conscience if I just stay away from that channel on Monday nights.

KelCat said...

I cannot believe that Jon and Kon would continue with this show after all of this controversy. I am sure they attribute this discontent to jealousy. But I hope they look deep inside and realize what is happening to those kids. Give them a normal life--please. Someday these kids will look at these shows and realize what a mean spirited person their mother is. Aside from her greed, she is just a terribly mean person. The way she treats her husband is just WRONG. The way she treats her children is WRONG.
Although one good thing is coming out of this- someday Jon can use these tapes in divorce court. Let's see that on TV.... I would watch that episode!!!

Anonymous said...

I realize I only have one child so I clearly have no idea what "poor" Kate is going through, even though we've had our own struggles with his health, it can't be as tough as having 8 healthy kids (oops, keep forgetting that Aeden has glasses, what a trauma) I refuse to find Kate or Jon inspiring. They have been blessed on many levels and it's still not good enough. I will not watch their show anymore. It's the one thing I can do in support of the kids. I come here to see what's been happening, and I don't have to listen to Kate's yelling.

my9cats said...

Excellent comment Sara (10:04pm).
This show is like witnessing a crash in progress. You know you should turn away or cover your eyes but somehow you can't.
My personal plug was pulled after 'Wild Horses'. Now I keep up through GWOP. This site is reality, not the show. I truely hope AMC can get the ball rolling on some form of national legislature to protect ALL children in the performing arts. No more semantic dancing as to "reality" for "performing", and give these kids a life. I grieve for what Mady and Cara are going through. They remember life before cameras.

cardamom said...

I, too, struggle with the decision whether to watch the show or not. I've often wondered if I am somehow contributing to the situation (exploitation) by watching. There have been times when I did not watch the show on purpose, but then reading comments on this blog got my curiosity going and I would catch the episode in re-run to see if I had the same opinion on some incidents.
One opinion of mine has not changed, however--filming the kids in their own home on an ongoing (weekly, with little or no hiatus) basis and invading their privacy is wrong. Period. End of story.
It is exploitation because the kids cannot at their age(s) make an informed decision about being on a reality tv show themselves. They do and cannot understand the immediate and long-term ramifications of being on reality tv.
Eight is not a magic number-- for any type of "bad" behavior, IMO.
And, IMO, no number is an excuse or reason for child exploitation.

Anonymous said...

RE ANON:Sure, I'm all for making sure the interest of the kids are taken care of,but I certainly don't want the show canceled...

...I want to see what happens next :)"

Why wait to see what happens next. When the shows have pretty much become predictable. We see Kate make a meal,serve a meal, and then clean up a meal. She belittles Jon, shows favoritism towards certain children, talks down to people, beggs for more freebies, makes hints about wanting a new house, talks about how exhausted she is from doing nothing, the children bite, hit,cry, scream, are starting to become disrespctful towards adults, and watch Kate live the lifestyle that she got by conning the American public.
This happens in every show they just travel to do the same old thing in different locations. What so entertaining about watching 6
4 year olds eat a free meals all the time. This family should not be getting free anything. The kids are in school and that leaves plenty of time for one of the parents to work, at least part-time.
I was reading some of the archived prayer lists. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that was more of a "you can get me this next list." I mean a person would have to have a lot of nerve to put a standing list of items that they needed and keep the list going for years. I understand that they needed help, and rightfully so. But during that time they should of formulated some type of plan for the future that involved getting real jobs and not living off their children. They had plenty of time. sorry so fragmented.

Anonymous said...

Anon said, "The kids are in school and that leaves plenty of time for one of the parents to work, at least part-time.
I was reading some of the archived prayer lists. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that was more of a "you can get me this next list." I mean a person would have to have a lot of nerve to put a standing list of items that they needed and keep the list going for years."

Amen to that! It's not like these kids are in diapers anymore, or eating formula. There are a lot of people out there with large families, feeding and clothing their children on their own, because they have this unique thing called a job! What they're doing to their children isn't any better than children working in sweat shops in third world nations, except those kids still have their privacy, and can take a poop without the whole world watching! I can't believe they have the audacity to still ask for handouts, when it's so blatantly obvious they're well off enough to start paying for things on their own. I honestly don't know how they sleep at night. How can they justify what they're doing, not only to the children, but the snow job they're trying to pull off on the American viewing public.
Hello, IRS, I'd like to report some fraudulent earnings!

Barbara in VA said...

What nerve does Jon have in quitting his job and actually being shown just going off to his personal training every morning and occasionally going golfing and living the life of a very wealthy man off the backs not only of his tiny children but also on the unselfish contributions (however misguided) of people who don't even know them? What bloody nerve!! It makes me mad every time I think about it. Let's all continue to write to TLC and any and all sponsors and let them know that we are not going to take it anymore. I have certainly turned off that program and I am redoubling my efforts to see that some legislation is passed to protect not just these kids in "reality programming" but others as well. If we don't make a fuss nothing will be done.

Anonymous said...

Long time viewer, 1st time poster. I've been watching the show since season one and here are my comments. Gosselin family these thoughts are presented with respect not malice.
The key to "righting" this ship in mho, is by addressing Kate's mental unhealthyness. Kate never responds...she just reacts, and there is no variance in said reaction. IE.,gum, frosting and ice cream ramp her up as much as blood, vomit, fevers and other illnesses. Kate is riddled with anxiety, which cause her to have tantrums, which the kids are also starting to exhibit. She really has zero adult coping skills/mechanisms.
Jon- you seem to be a good man caught between and rock and a hard spot. If I could get you to do one thing, it would be to get Kate some professional help. Nothing changes unless Kate's behaviours are addressed. It is affecting all the kids and you. Your family deserves better (Kate included), and unfortunately it looks like you,Jon, must be the leader. Please stop placating Kate. Your children need you as their advocate.
If the show ended today, with Kate's behavior as it is, how would the kids' lives improve? Just think, no extras, no perks, no money and the same dysfunction for a mother. You have to fix the biggest problem first, and then you can remedy the rest... cameras, environment, schedule.
Gosselin extended family and friends: Are you out there? Jon, Kate and the kids need each of you and your help...it takes a village. Will you be there for this family, because in order for these kids to grow up to become happy, healthy, contributing adults, they are all going to need your help. Please help them-

Thanks, sorry so long~ Ann An.

Anonymous said...

Quote: "...I want to see what happens next :)"

I have zero desire to see "what happens next" . As part of the American working class , I have been insulted enough by these two free loading scam artists!

K.C. said...

The magic number must not be 7... Erin and Joe Perry of Pittsburgh, PA have sextuplets and a single boy, yet they are nothing like Jon and Kate Gosselin. I just watched the Perry's special 'Raising a Six Pack' on Discovery Health. What a completely different family they are. They appear to be kind, patient and loving to their children and each other. They were thanking and praising all of the volunteers, family, friends and neighbors who help them out, bring them dinners, etc., and they SHOWED these people doing these things on their special! They didn't pretend to do everything themselves. They also showed the donated formula, cribs and car seats they received from a couple of local stores and *gasp* thanked them! I know! It's unbelievable, they were really grateful. Based on this special the Perrys appear to be genuine and self sufficient. They met in college. Joe has an MBA and Erin was in child development or child psychology or something similar. When asked if they had any regrets, they said NO, NONE at all. I really enjoyed watching 'Raising a Six Pack' on Discovery Health, I didn't feel stressed or anxious like I do when watching J&K+8. They showed a birthday party and 300 people, (including friends and family), showed up. Erin cried real tears of joy. They showed them talking outside to neighbors, their volunteers helping feed, the grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins--these people are NORMAL and they have 7! I like how they treat their friends, family, kids and each other and I love that they only do the special! IMO, Jon and Kate would act like this no matter what. I don't think it would have mattered if the sextuplets had been twins, triplets or quads.

DJ said...

I also saw that show on the Discovery Health channel "Raising A Six Pack". It definitely was a big difference. They seemed so down to earth and you didn't mind that they were getting some help. Also, there was another family shown but I can't remember where they were from. They had 6 plus one older daughter. These children were now grown and I thought it was interesting when the oldest daughter was talking about growing up with the "6". She said when she was about I believe 7 or 8 she remembers the "green eyed monster" taking over and she became jealous of them. I thought to myself perhaps that is what Mady is going through right now. It was interesting to hear from the "older child".

Anonymous said...

It takes a village? Actually the rest of the "village" has their own lives to lead, their own problems to deal with.
When people choose to have children, they shouldn't expect help from others, they shouldn't take advantage of others. If Jon and Kate no longer had servants suppled by the TV show, they would likely try turning their relatives into free "servants." Jon is henpecked. Kate is domineering. Jon will never take charge. If Kate ever gets therapy, it likely won't do any good. People don't change.

Anonymous said...

I don't think the stress of multiples is an excuse for about 99% of Kate's behaviour. Leaving Joel in the laundry room because he threw up on a blanket, the constant criticism and immasculation of Jon (not to mention the abusive "love taps"), threatening to throw away Collin's bear because of a speck of gum... She could have a thousand children and I still wouldn't accept excuses for those actions.

However, because I'm a realistic person, I can accept that someone with even one child can't keep a cool head 24/7. Occasional lapses are bound to happen. I have lapses when I spend a day babysitting my four nieces and nephews, so I expect nothing less from someone who has to raise 8 children day in day out (albeit with boatloads of hired and volunteer help).

As for Jon not working, he's said himself he has little ambition and work ethic. As horrible as that is to hear from a man with a large family to support, he clearly does the lion's share of actual child-rearing and work in that household. He's up earlier, he makes princess Kate her coffee, he gets the tups dressed, he gets the twins off to school, he runs errands during the day, he's the one responsible for loading the kids and equipment into the van (and making frequent trips back into the house at Kate's request), he bathes the tups, and really, most useful of all, he actually *plays* with the children.

And, while the reason he's able to stay at home is the exploitation of his children, there's really no need for him to work a full or even part-time job when they make enough that he can stay home with the kids to do the aforementioned lion's share of the work. That he takes time to go the gym is really not something I begrudge him, because when he *is* with the kids, he's doing more work than Kate has done in a year combined.

Anonymous said...

Jon is the homemaker. The children are the breadwinners, and Kate doesn't have a role in the family. Jon seems lethargic: it's obvious he doesn't have any ambition. Typically people like Jon end up homeless.

Anonymous said...

People keep jumping on Jon to get a job, but I'd much rather see Kate get a job and have Jon as the homemaker. Maybe having less time to spend with the kids would make Kate appreciate the time she does have with them more.

Jon was so right in that episode when he mentioned that someday Kate would kick herself for not taking the time to enjoy the kids just being kids.

Twenty years from now she's not going to look back and think, "Thank goodness I kept their clothes clean enough to sell on consignment," or "I was absolutely right to clean the garage instead of play with them that day, " or "I'm glad I had so many helpers so I could have so much 'me' time." She's going to look back and realize that she squandered their childhoods.

Jon really is the better parental figure in the Gosselin family, so I think the kids would benefit from having him around more, and the whole family (including Kate herself) would benefit from having her around less.

Anonymous said...

That is good idea. Jon can be the homemaker and Kate can be the breadwinner. She's a nurse, so she probably can easily find a job. Kate doesn't seem the type to appreciate having children. Well, maybe she appreciates her favorites, but not Mady or the icky boys.

dubya said...

Threefarmers
Congratulations to your cat...Eight babies!!...is she exhausted yet?

ThreeFarmers said...

Threefarmers
Congratulations to your cat...Eight babies!!...is she exhausted yet?


No, but she's demanding 8 identical brand new litter boxes. Finding organic kitty kibble is a b!tich and she's refusing to talk to me because I don't seem to know how to help her!

Anonymous said...

The Perry sextuplets' mother just takes care of everyone on her own. She also has one older one. She only had helpers when they were little.

sis said...

ThreeFarmers,

Better get Kitty a good camera to capture all of those first poops. Don't scoop them!




p.s. 3F, you crack me up. We need a humor page. Sorry mods. I know you are busy as all heck. I appreciate all of the work you are doing to keep this site civil and balanced, and for allowing the chuckles. Sometimes the absurdity of the G's comes across best when put into these kinds of contexts.

Anonymous said...

Do the Gosselins ever have yard sales? If they do, Sara can buy the white plastic chair.

Sara said...

RE: "Do the Gosselins ever have yard sales? If they do, Sara can buy the white plastic chair."

Oh Lordy Be, I don't know if I could afford it. Maybe if they marked it down '50%' from the '$100' they paid for it to '$30'. And of course, I would have to pay 20 bucks to have it autographed.

Anonymous said...

3 Farmers--
Are you selling pics of the kitties? How much?
Where do I mail the tiny car seats?
You will be needing plenty of bibs.

Barbara in VA said...

I will agree with you that Jon is the better parents by far! And if that is to be his job, raising the kids, and he would be sooo much better at it than Kate is, you are right, let him do it. Then Katie Irene will need to go out and work. If they need outside help they will just have to make their apologies to their family and friends they've walked over and hope that some of them love the kids enough to pitch in.

Anonymous said...

Sara, The Gosselins didn't pay 100 dollars for the white plastic chair, because the Gosselins don't pay for anything! Everything the Gosselins have was given to them. Of course the Gosselins get extra money from the stuff they sell at their yard sales... because everything is autographed!

Anonymous said...

If Jon is a full time househusband and Kate works, they won't need outside help. Jon can clean, do laundry and grocery shopping when the kids are at school. I know several people who had eight chidren and one family who had nine children. As far as I know, none of the parents had outside help. And, since this was in California, most people's extended family lived in other states. So if people had large families, they had no "outside help."

Nancy said...

My great-aunt was the daughter of a triplet. She married a widower with 5 kids and then had triplet girls. That's 8 kids! The triplets grew up and married. Susan had 9 kids, Louise had 6 kids, and Nancy had 11. None of these mothers had tummy-tucks or spa days. Do you think any of these moms slapped or emasculated their hard-working husbands, or had fits over the kids eating cupcakes? Did Nancy sit in her chair and "plead 11"? Actually, Nancy was known by all the neighbor kids as "Auntie Nan" because she played with all of them. Her husband Jerry played the fiddle, and that was all the entertainment the family needed; nobody ever gave them free trips. Nancy never claimed to be "exhausted", and she outlived Jerry by 20 years.

I wish the Gosselin Eight could have a childhood so full of joy as Jerry and Nancy's 11 kids did.

Anonymous said...

Jon isn't hard-working; he doesn't have a job. Also, people who have an excessive number of children, aren't doing the children any favors. If Mady just had one sibling, she might not act the way she does. But, there's no time to think about Mady: there are the younger children to take care of. When there are younger children, the younger ones always get more attention. When people have an excessive number of children, they usually just work, cook dinner and wash dishes. There's no time to talk to each child and find ot how they're doing. Even the Gosselins, who don't even work, seem to mostly just try to herd their children around.

dubya said...

3 Farmers....if one of those new kittens gets all outa control and bothers the other babies at night, make it sleep alone in the basement. this is a tried and true method from Kate, and she should know, she gives parenting tips.

dubya said...

3 Farmers

Tell your mother cat to pray for the 8 matching litter boxes, when she gets up in the morning, look on the front steps, they'll be there! kate said so! Kate should know, SHE has 8 kids!!

ThreeFarmers said...

3 Farmers....if one of those new kittens gets all outa control and bothers the other babies at night, make it sleep alone in the basement. this is a tried and true method from Kate, and she should know, she gives parenting tips.

Excellent advice Dubya, but first I have to go stick a sign in my yard so the neighbors don't look at, photograph, or wave at my kitties. I also need money for obedience school so if any of you would like to make a Love Offering to the kitty's futures, I'd be grateful.

For those of you who are curious about the names of the Kitties:

Plato, Bridges, Coleman, Bonaduce, Phoenix, Lohan, Renfro, and Spears

I'm thinking their futures will be very bright.

Anonymous said...

For those of you who are curious about the names of the Kitties:

Plato, Bridges, Coleman, Bonaduce, Phoenix, Lohan, Renfro, and Spears

I'm thinking their futures will be very bright.

That's a good one.

Anonymous said...

"Jon isn't hard-working; he doesn't have a job."
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To say that someone isn't a hard worker just because they don't have a job is a huge insult to stay-at-home parents everywhere.

Jon may lack the ambition and determination to be hardworking career-wise, but that does not mean that he is not hardworking when it comes to his family.

I'm not saying he's the world's best example of a hardworking dad, but he does ten times the work Kate does, with one tenth of the dramatics.

Anonymous said...

"For those of you who are curious about the names of the Kitties:

Plato, Bridges, Coleman, Bonaduce, Phoenix, Lohan, Renfro, and Spears

I'm thinking their futures will be very bright."

Okay, hilarious, but I think I'm missing something when it comes to Plato. Is this some celebrity I've never heard of, or are we talking about the ancient guy?

Did his parents force him into philosophy?

ThreeFarmers said...

Dana Plato was the girl on Different Strokes with Coleman and Bridges. She died of a drug overdose a few years ago. She had quite a history that included drugs, robbery, and soft core porn.

Anonymous said...

When people choose to have children, it's the parents responsibility to provide for the children. In other words, one or both parents should get a job to provide a house, food and clothes. Both Jon and Kate are stay-at-home parents, and neither has a job to earn money, even though they have 8 children. They're NOT hard-working. The chldren are doing the providing: the children earn the money. Jon and Kate have servants. Jon and Kate are lazy. When their show eventually gets canceled and they no longer have servants; and at least one of them gets a job, then they will be considered hard-working. The Gosselins are like welfare mothers: because they sponge off of others, they are able to devote all of their time "working" at child care.

LFWH said...

3Farmers,

The governor of your state just announced college funds for your kitties. But I thought you said there were no college funds for the kitties? Hmmm...... Oh well, we understand that you're exhausted and probably forgot. So many kitties.

P.S. Just kidding!!

mollybloom said...

I'm done with this show and feel good. The kids are adorable, but watching them is akin to stealing beautiful flowers from a park or someone's private garden. This show and the people who support it are robbing these children of their childhood. As for Jon and Kate, avoiding them is easy. They're unpleasant, stupid, ungrateful people. Why waste time on them?

Anonymous said...

I am watching Our 27 Kids...also on TLC. Please Jon and Kate, please watch this show...that's all. Thank you!

mlou said...

I also watched the show with the couple that have 27 kids. Four are biological, the other 24 have some type of disability. They adopt all ages,races, genders, etc. The mother does not insult or hit her husband. She does not favor one over the other. She says how she is truly grateful for each child. They chose to do this and they realize that means that it is their responsibility.

They go on one vacation a year. They are not too good to stay in a standard motel. They realize that it doesn't matter where they are just so long as they are together and happy. This mother needs to write a book, not Kate. Although Kate needs to be the first in line to read it.

Anonymous said...

When people choose to have children, it's the parents responsibility to provide for the children. In other words, one or both parents should get a job to provide a house, food and clothes. Both Jon and Kate are stay-at-home parents, and neither has a job to earn money, even though they have 8 children. They're NOT hard-working. The chldren are doing the providing: the children earn the money.
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I agree with you up to a point. While I think it's terrible that the money they have is due to the exploitation of their children, if they make enough from shows and sponsorships and donations that they don't *have* to work, then... why would they chose to work?

The only reasons I can think of are to be good parental role models, but this is Jon and Kate we're talking about, so they clearly don't care about that.

The show won't last forever, we all know that, and even Jon and Kate, shortsighted as they are, know that. But between the fact that 99% of their clothing, food, childcare, and vacations are given to them for free, and the fact that they make a significant amount of money per episode, I can't see where that money is going aside from into savings or college funds. They clearly have no need to spend it on anything when they get everything for free, so I think it's safe to assume that they're in a position right now where they won't need to work for years, if ever (assuming they're investing it properly).

I think that the majority of people in their situation would choose to stay at home. Whether it's right or not is up for debate.

Anonymous said...

Is the money going into savings or college funds? Are they investing their money? Well, after the show is canceled, they will have to start paying for food, heating, car repairs. If they don't work, they might soon lose most of their savings. I don't know if they would continue to pay for servants with money from their savings account.

Anonymous said...

Anon said: The show won't last forever, we all know that, and even Jon and Kate, shortsighted as they are, know that. But between the fact that 99% of their clothing, food, childcare, and vacations are given to them for free, and the fact that they make a significant amount of money per episode, I can't see where that money is going aside from into savings or college funds. They clearly have no need to spend it on anything when they get everything for free, so I think it's safe to assume that they're in a position right now where they won't need to work for years, if ever (assuming they're investing it properly).
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KON may well get everything for free, BUT we do not know that they are putting most of the money away for the future and investing it properly with the help of a professional financial planner. If KON is blowing it on spa days, plastic surgery, and other things that TLC and Figure 8 do not cover, then they are going to go through this money in no time at all. KON is welfare trash - they think that $2-3 million puts them in the league of highly compensated Hollywood celebs. WRONG! They are like these losers who win the lottery and are so uneducated and ignorant that within a year or two, they are in the same place they were before they won or worse. KON is no way smart or savvy enough to know about money management because I doubt if they have ever really had to do it. They were being subsidized by Dr. Gosselin before he died. Then the show came along and now their own kids are subsidizing them.

Anonymous said...

The plastic surgery was free. How much would college cost for 8 children? At least 25,000 dollars a year for one child. In 10 to 15 years, with inflation, the price will at least double. The cost for all 8 children would be almost 2 million dollars. Then there's the cost of braces for the children's
teeth, new clothes and new shoes...

STATE SCHOOLS said...

RE: College costs for 8 kids.

If the kids go to a state school in NC, 2k-3k a year will cover tutition/books. It is not $25k per year as posted earlier.

I dont know that all 8 kids will choose to go to college. Maybe some will choose a trade or honorable military service.

For the kids that want to go to college, they can. Tey can go without selling $20 photos to people who have less than this family.

In addition to the college accounts allready set up in PA at the tups births, the kids will be eligible for in state/significantly reduced NC tuition costs.

The State of NC has a great state college system and affordable instate tution. We offer Medical Schools, Dental schools, Law and anything else you can think of.

We have student loan programs and work study programs for helping make college a reality, esp. if your parents squanderd your hard earned money on cosmetic proceedures.

Yep, the kids may have to put books away in the library or file paperwork 10 hours a week in an administrative office for financial aid. Other young adults do it all the time and no one cries a river for them.

WELCOME TO STATE COLLEGE, it is what the rest of us could afford. A very small percentage of people can afford private college tuition.

No one owes these kids college, they can find a way a do it themselves.

Anonymous said...

Threefarmers, are you starting to feel the space crunch with all those kitties? Cause I mean
HELLL-LOOO... It must be horrendously horrendous squeezing all those felines into your current house. You might need to start hinting around for a manse in a warmer climate. I know! You can take a vacation to the beach while you're looking. The cats could all get braids (they really cut down on the hairballs) and you could stock up on crab legs and sleep while you're at it. It's a win/win situation.

ThreeFarmers said...

Wow, I just took a couple of classes at a state school in Illinois and it was over $400 per credit hour. That means a class worth 4 credit hours is at least 1600 per class. If you take four classes a semester that is 6400 per SEMESTER and about 12K a year IF you don't take any summer classes. And that's only 4 classes a semester, a lot of full-time students will take 5. That is tuition only. Books are extra.

Anonymous said...

THE PINS ARE GONE! I noticed the JK8 site has removed the push pin graphics from the photos of the kids heads. Glad to see the Gosselins ARE reading here and changing some things. Hope they will make more positive changes.

Anonymous said...

The tuition at the University of California is about 9,000 dollars a year for residents, and almost 30,000 dollars a year for nonresidents. UC likely won't be an option for the Gosselins because of the cost.

Anonymous said...

In an episode early this year, J&K are shown meeting with a financial planner...possibly in the Kate Hires a Nanny episode? The financial planner discusses when their children would inherit J&K's money. J&K got in to a discussion of whether their children should inherit at 18 or after graduating from college. This conversation was odd since neither parent attended college. Kate advocated waiting until the kids had graduatedfrom college, while Jon thought that was unfair since a child might not want to attend college. The financial just sat there and listened to the dialogue.

I do hope that each child has an account set aside for college from earnings from the show and endorsements. Perhaps J&K would be thought better of if an announcement was made about the financial welfare of the children. At this point most of us have no respect for J&K, but outr primary concern remains these innocent childre. Whether or not the children are provided for is a common theme on these blogs. Child actors have financial protections (see Paul Petersens' blog), but not reality TV kid stars.

Anonymous said...

THE GRAIN FOODS FOUNDATION ---

jennifer.geiger@mullen.com

Here's where you can write the foundation, which has selected Kate to be the spokesperson for moms who want to pack healthy and "affordable" lunches for their families.

Anonymous said...

Although we are SURE that they are reading this site; I'd encourage people NOT to visit their webpage. It would only show them a bunch of hits that they are probably so proud of. "Oh look, thousands of people review our wonderful webpage!"
Also, some websites placed cookies on your computer for tracking where you go online. Avoid their website.

Anonymous said...

I really can't imagine Jon and Kate paying for spa days, etc., out of their own earnings when all they have to do is hint in an episode that they need something and have companies clamouring to give it to them for publicity.

I don't think that they have had to pay for even 1/10th of the things they have worn, eaten, or done.

When the show is over and things are no longer paid by Figure 8 and various companies, then yes, I can see them squandering the money in order to keep up with the lifestyle to which they are accustomed.

As of right now, however, I don't believe they're spending more than a couple hundred a month on the things they want or need, so what else would they be doing with that money except investing it or putting it aside for the kids? Even they know there's no point just leaving the money sitting around to grow dusty.

College is expensive, yes, but there's no rule saying the children can't be expected to pay some of their own way by getting jobs when the time comes. Full college tuition is a luxury, not a right.

Linnea said...

When I grabbed my paper this morning, on the front page was a blurb that mentioned an article inside about how J&K has brought celebrity factor to our area. I live in Central PA and the article was co-written by one of the reporters who Kon accused of "misquoting" them during Nursegate. Through their publisist, Kon declined to participate in the article.

http://www.pennlive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2008/09/gawkers_sometimes_forget_discr.html

Sara said...

I sent a post I had written to the mods back in August and it didn't get posted because a lot of it was what we already know, but I thought I'd post it here just so everyone knows exactly what 'Jon' has said in the past about the importance of 'privacy'.

My post:


We all know of course, that "daddyof8" aka: JON, has been asking the Triplet Connection to remove his posts from their website, and of course, yesterday they announced that they had. I went to the website last year and had read some of his posts (nothing spectacular, just "here's some pictures" and "selective reduction is murder" type of stuff, but I went back today to see if there was anything particularly damning that would cause Jon to want to pretend like he was never there. I found a few interesting entries in which he responded to a topic concerning the Harris Sextuplets, who had their home renovated by Extreme Home Makeover. He was telling everyone how it was such a bad thing, and how your property taxes and utilities go up and whatnot. Then he turned to defend himself, saying:



88001, RE: Extreme Makeover Home Edition
Posted by Daddyof8, Tue Mar-08-05 06:00 AM

"Because it is all fake!!!!!!!!! I can't be happy for them. I feel sad for them. No offense you wouldn't understand, and I don't expect you to. I was trying to let everyone know what it is really like. Its hard enough to raise 6 kids and now you have to deal with the added mess. I just don't want anyone to make the seame mistakes. We live and learn. Sorry to burst your Utopian bubble. I'll drop the issue. Goodbye! :)"



What? All this from someone who has come to use little old church ladies' bingo money as his sole means of support? And it gets better, as Jon speaks out about the value of his "privacy".



87993, RE: Extreme Makeover Home Edition
Posted by Daddyof8, Mon Mar-07-05 02:10 PM

"The only way it really works is if the labor and material are donated to you by a nonprofit company. (ie. church, firecompany, anyone with a tax id #) Then anyone who donates can write off the donation. I am not an accountant but trust me this is something I have learned in the last year. Normal people are not accustomed to instant fame and fortune. Yes it is nice to be in the spotlight for alittle while, but let me tell you something if you want privacy ever again FORGET IT!!!! Everyone knows where you live and that scares me."



What?! Everyone knows where he lives NOW, but I have yet to see an episode called "Jon's Hair-Raising Experience 2: Hide Honey, A Fan Wants An Autograph!". He has put every single facet of his personal life- just short of showing Kate on the john or on the JON- on the television screen, and I haven't once seen him shaking in his boots because he's scared someone might break into his house and steal one of his money-makers, or god forbid- his golf clubs.


I mean seriously, are you kidding me? Privacy? Gosselins? Those words are antonyms. Mind you, he wrote this not long before "Surviving Sextuplets and Twins" was broadcast on national television, for all the housewives, HOM families and even pedophiles to see, so where the hell is this all coming from?! Were they jealous of the Harris Family because Kate thought they got a nicer home makeover than SHE did? Do they realize that not only do they Harris' WORK, they have an autistic child to contend with also? Does she know that a hurricane threw a tree through the their living room/playroom? I guess since the Harris' didn't bitch to every Tom, Dick and Harry that the work "just wasn't good enough", that somehow the free renovation that SHE got was sub-standard.


If Ma & Pa Greenbacks cared one IOTA about privacy, they would realize that we are living in a world where some obsessed freak might see you on tv , and after 10 or 60 episodes, start to think that he KNOWS you, or that you are talking through the television to HIM. It's a situation that can have potentially deadly consequences, and it happens to many celebrities (think John Lennon, Jodie Foster, etc.). I just HOPE and PRAY that in five years, we won't be seeing an E! True Hollywood Story that tells us about how the show went off the air after the house was broken into, or one of the children was kidnapped, OR WORSE.


So, to quote Papa Paycheck himself: "Yes it is nice to be in the spotlight for a little while, but let me tell you something, if you want privacy ever again, FORGET IT!!!! Everyone knows where you live and that scares me." Yeah Jon, SCARED. There was apparently a time when you had an idea of what that meant. I guess now your only fear is that Kate will slap you too hard and send a hair plug flying out.

Anonymous said...

"J&K got in to a discussion of whether their children should inherit at 18 or after graduating from college. This conversation was odd since neither parent attended college."

To me this seems wrong, Kate had to go to collage to become a nurse. I dont know what is needed for your RN in the area that they live, but I am sure that it is some kind of collage degree.

Anonymous said...

Kate graduated from some type of college since she's a nurse. It's possible to get an RN degree from a community college. Children are mostly influenced by their parents. What if the children want to be like their parents and just sit around and do nothing? Also, the children might have learining disabilities, (many multiples have learning disabilities). So they might not be able to attend college: they might have to be taken care of.

Anonymous said...

"J&K got in to a discussion of whether their children should inherit at 18 or after graduating from college. This conversation was odd since neither parent attended college."

To me this seems wrong, Kate had to go to collage to become a nurse. I dont know what is needed for your RN in the area that they live, but I am sure that it is some kind of collage degree.

In respnes to Anonymous...Jon attended a 6 month IT school and Kate completed a nursing program through Reading Hospital. So, neither parent has a 2-year college degree, let alone a 4-year college degree.

Anonymous said...

read the article, has a bit of a sarcastic tone to it. Almost mocking in nature..

ThreeFarmers said...

Kate did not attend college. She received her nursing certification through a local hospital program. She completed the nursing program at the Reading Hospital and Medical Center. She does not have a Bachelors degree in nursing.

Anonymous said...

Is it really important that Kate doesn't even have a two-year degree? Maybe if she wanted to be some type of RN supervisor in a hospital, she might need a four-year degree, or maybe even a Master's Degree. But in general, if an RN applies for a job, is it important where they got their training, as long as they're an RN? Kate might not even have a two-year degree, but she has the earning potential of an RN who got their degree at a four-year college.

Anonymous said...

read the article, has a bit of a sarcastic tone to it. Almost mocking in nature..

The Pennsylvania Entertainment article? I read that thing 3 times and I noted no sarcasm in it. What part seemed sarcastic to you?

Anonymous said...

The article seemed like a waste of space to me. I would imagine the majority of the people living in that area and reading the local paper have heard of the Gosselin family. I am not sure what the point of the article was? If there was one? Per usual, J & K (through their publicist no less) had nothing to say in response to or add to the article.

ThreeFarmers said...

It doesn't really matter at all, except when people start giving her credit for having an Associates or Bachelors degree.

ThreeFarmers said...

What's good about this article is that it mentions the negativity in the blogosphere regarding the show. Maybe that will prompt people who have no idea that there is a controversy to get on line and do a search. Hopefully more people will learn what's really going on.

Anonymous said...

The article seemed like a waste of space to me. I would imagine the majority of the people living in that area and reading the local paper have heard of the Gosselin family. I am not sure what the point of the article was? If there was one? Per usual, J & K (through their publicist no less) had nothing to say in response to or add to the article.

Maybe the sacastic part is - it is Jon and Kate that claim they are being bothered - but the neighbors say there is no evidence to it?

Anonymous said...

Fluff. Oh no bloggers discuss x, y and x, tsk, tsk. Yet they totally miss the issue about CHILD EXPLOITATION. No mention of A Minor Consideration or Paul Petersen's essays or effort to reach out to the Gosselin parents. No mention of the fact an actor doesn't have their home shown on their sit-com or movie. There are bigger dangers then people stopping to take pictures. I hope the local crazy fan doesn't decide to take the child sleeping alone in the basement.
I love the complaint about people coming to the door. I supposed the paper towel fairy airdropped those items onto the front steps. I guess if you're not bringing an offering don't come to the door.
I'm beginning to think the media are as dumb as politicians claim. Hello, wake up and discuss the bigger more important issues rather then gawkers.
I guess the remark about them moving to another state means they will just blow off the issue that PA has no laws in place to protect minors filming “reality” TV series. And they will keep their fingers and toes crossed that until they move that nothing bad happens to the children. If it does who will bear the burden of the blame, reporters that rather do a fluff piece then actually discuss the real concerns, lawmakers of the state that turn a blind eye to how the PA treasures are being used, the neighbors, teachers, the pastor at the Gosselin's church? I guess none of the above feel an obligation to show they care even the least bit.

Anonymous said...

Just a quick comment about the letter received from the Grand Wailea: what a piece of marketing garbage that was!! Obviously, Christina (the one who signed the letter) has no clue about Kon! The only vacation the Gosselin kids truly need is a vacation from their parents and the antics of TLC.

Anonymous said...

"Maybe the sacastic part is - it is Jon and Kate that claim they are being bothered - but the neighbors say there is no evidence to it?"

That could be. I did find it interesting that J & K are the ones claiming to be inconvenienced and bothered by their own notoriety while the neighbors havent noticed much of difference in the overall environment of the neighborhood. My guess is, the people of J & K's neighborhood are refraining to comment in an attempt to 'keep the peace' if you will. Once J & K move out of state, they (the neighbors) just might have a story or three to tell.

Lonnyswife said...

Anonymous said...
THE GRAIN FOODS FOUNDATION ---

jennifer.geiger@mullen.com

Here's where you can write the foundation, which has selected Kate to be the spokesperson for moms who want to pack healthy and "affordable" lunches for their families.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
I wrote them the other day about what a poor choice of spokespersons I thought they had made and perhaps next time they might want to do more research/background checking. I have yet to hear back but will post if anything shows up in the INBOX!

Lonnyswife said...

The college dialog is funny considering Jon said something only a couple days after the birth of the tups. (I'm not in PA so correct me if I am wrong) It was during a news conference from the hospital and he mentioned Coach Paterno(oh gawd, I hope that's isn't wrong!) had stopped by to say hi, congrats. And Jon says something like, I hope he gives us college scholarships.
PLEEESE! Your babies are in incubators fighting for their lives and you are already on the gravy train bandwagon? It is truly disgusting.
Boils down to this-Beg, borrow, steal, WORK, to take care of your family but let's make sure there are some protections in place for all of those children.
I read an article last night where Kate said:
"As everybody knows by now, that was just the beginning. Most people know about our story through the TV show. We’ve been filming since the little kids were 15 months old, and we've never really stopped except for a few weeks here or there."
Source-
http://www.orato.com/arts-entertainment/2008/02/05/naptime-musings-jon-amp-kate-plus-8?page=3

Okay??? What? A couple is maybe 2 or 3? So out of slightly over 3 years the tups have been 'working' all but 2 or three weeks, here and there? This is frightening. There are just way too many examples of actual 'child actors' who were used by agents, lawyers and parents because there weren't laws in place to protect them.
I could care less if the kids get free GAP stuff or Juicy Juice supplies them with juice. Or go on free trips.....I know what traveling with 5 was like. If they want to go thru the stress and drama of traveling with 8, then so be it. I am concerned that there is no advocate for those children who doesn't have a vested interest in their continued 'employment'. I believe a majority of parents would actually do a good job. Unfortunately, these parents are in the minority.
I am concerned that they came to the realization alittle too late that the now no longer have any privacy whatsoever. I would think if they had sat down, without the dollar signs in their eyes, and done the piece of paper with Pros on one side and Cons on the other, that they might have been able to figure out a weekly series was absurd but perhaps an annual special or better yet, a milestone special would be more appropriate. I wonder if they sought family/friends advice when they were making the decision. Somehow, I doubt it.

ThreeFarmers said...

Anonymous wrote....Fluff. Oh no bloggers discuss x, y and x, tsk, tsk. Yet they totally miss the issue about CHILD EXPLOITATION. No mention of A Minor Consideration or Paul Petersen's essays or effort to reach out to the Gosselin parents. No mention of the fact an actor doesn't have their home shown on their sit-com or movie. There are bigger dangers then people stopping to take pictures. I hope the local crazy fan doesn't decide to take the child sleeping alone in the basement.
I love the complaint about people coming to the door. I supposed the paper towel fairy airdropped those items onto the front steps. I guess if you're not bringing an offering don't come to the door.
I'm beginning to think the media are as dumb as politicians claim. Hello, wake up and discuss the bigger more important issues rather then gawkers.
I guess the remark about them moving to another state means they will just blow off the issue that PA has no laws in place to protect minors filming “reality” TV series. And they will keep their fingers and toes crossed that until they move that nothing bad happens to the children. If it does who will bear the burden of the blame, reporters that rather do a fluff piece then actually discuss the real concerns, lawmakers of the state that turn a blind eye to how the PA treasures are being used, the neighbors, teachers, the pastor at the Gosselin's church? I guess none of the above feel an obligation to show they care even the least bit.


You know, the email address to the journalists who wrote the store are at the end of the page. You should mail them what you just wrote.

Barbara in VA said...

I saw on the web site musings from the moon that some company has decided Katie Irene is the best spokesperson for their products insofar as feeding children the most healthy foods. Are they friggin' kidding me? They give a contact so I immediately wrote to the company and informed them, in case they didn't know, what we've all seen on the shows. Just FYI everybody.

Barbara in VA said...

Loonyswife: Sorry, I also mentioned what you did about the grain company. Oh, well, it deserves a double mention. They should be bombarded with mail regarding Katie Irene being chosen and refer specifically to those nutritious lunches of 3 grades and a couple of cheetos, monkey munch, organic (gag) fluff sandwiches, etc.

Anonymous said...

Quote: "Normal people are not accustomed to instant fame and fortune."

Jon Gosselin sure has a way with words! 'Normal people'? As opposed to what? The abnormal person he is?
And how did he acquire this so called 'instant fame and fortune'?
If he is labeling himself as abnormal that is probably the only truth he has spoken as begging is considered to be quite an abnormal behavior. Certainly not one to be openly proud of!

Anonymous said...

okay - Pulkogi vs. Bulkogi - I have watched this episode several times (Korean Dinner). Jon wants to be in touch with his Korean side and saids "Pulkogi" cause Kate hates when I say "Kogi" it's kind of like when you refer to hamburger as "burger". These two are so scripted it's not even funny anymore. Did they know that the recipe for top sirloin steak marnited is called "Bulkogi" and not "Pulkogi". I made sure to listen several times as they both referred to it as "pulkogi" and Jon even took it a step further to even spell it for his audience. Im with a lot of posters who would never have anything to say but these two people just rub me the wrong way. If you think about it, it's like calling a hamburger a "damburger" everyone in the culture would laugh. Jon and Kate please get over yourselves.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the Korean Dinner epi:

Just for a little background: I am 100% Korean. I do not speak fluently, but I know enough.A few comments:

1) Not to say it hasn't been done, but I have never seen the spelling with a P. I have only seen Bulgogi.

2) "Kogi" means "meat" in Korean, but not only Bulgogi meat. It is a generic label, like "fish". As far as I know, Kate has little to no background in the Korean language or culture- except for her marriage to Jon- so I'm not sure why "kogi" bothers her??

Also,since this epi was brought up ...

Kate's little comments like "ancient Chinese secret" (um, I thought Jon was cooking Korean with influences from Hawaii) and the little bows with the hands steepled and the accompanying "ah so" is so effing ignorant. And the chopsticks in Mady's hair? I have tons of Asian friends and not one of us has EVER worn our hair like that.

There were so many ignorant comments/actions on this episode. The folks at Figure 8 must be just as stupid for not editing out some of that crap ...........

evileye said...

I am only 50% korean but born and raised in Seoul. It also infuriates me about how Jon and Kate act about being "ajun". The cooking thing was good on Jon's part. However I'm suspicious of Kate on their website allude to a "special trip" in the near future. I wonder if they will go to Korea. I can already predict how condescending Kate will be to our culture. I don't think Kate could survive outside the US.

That said, I think Koreans will love the little Gosselins. We love all children who are extremely sweet and have some korean heritage. Actually it could be their next market. My mom is always watching show about adorable mixed children on korean satellite tv.

I just wished that Kon really cared more about giving their kids a real lesson on their cultural. There are local korean churches in Lancaster and Hershey PA. They could put their children in weekend korean schools to learn basic language. Most of these schools are little money and do not require a donated trip. Most of all these schools mean more to little children, they offer a childhood of interaction and exposure to korean culture. A trip for the children would mean nothing for them now, they would forget and not grasp the message. However in their early teens, the trip along with learning of some language and culture would be a lifetime memory.

By the way I spell (english wise) BULkogi instead of PULkogi.
But you can liken it to Beijing versus Peking. I think the "B" sound is more modern way of pronouncing the more western "P" sound.

Anonymous said...

A thought occurred to me while I was reading this post. What is going to happen next year when the tups go to Kindergarten? Will Kate homeschool to keep the show or will they go to the same private school as the twins?

Anonymous said...

Quote: "There were so many ignorant comments/actions on this episode. The folks at Figure 8 must be just as stupid for not editing out some of that crap ..........."

I agree. What I thought was the MOST ignorant comment of the episode is when Kate a 30+ age adult woman said, 'and you all know that I wish I was Korean'. WTF? The statement was just so juvenile and reminded me of a 6 year old girl saying, 'I wish I was a princess'.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, not to beat a dead horse but just wanted to add to the entries after mine regarding the Korean Dinner epi:

To the poster who is 50% Korean: I'm quire certain that most Koreans, native or here in the States, would LOVE those little babes. You are right! About learning more about our culture, what you suggested is wonderful (although my 10yo would be the first to tell you he HATED Korean school, ha ha ha) in theory, but would NEVER happen for many reasons ( too much effort for starters) the main one being that KON have nothing to gain financially from doing so.

To the poster who said that Kate sounded like a 6 year old : right on.