"I never met a kid I liked." - W.C. Fields

Administrative Note: Yesterday, we published this piece, written from the perspective of someone whose former defense of the show Jon & Kate Plus Eight was fueled by her infatuation with the Gosselin children.

Today we present the piece below, written from the perspective of someone who freely admits that she finds children (children in general, not the Gosselin children in particular) quite distasteful. If I didn't know better, I would say that Kate Gosselin herself wrote that second paragraph. ...continued

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Serena said...

"I NEVER MET A KID I LIKED." - W.C. FIELDS

Administrative Note: Yesterday, we published this piece, written from the perspective of someone whose former defense of the show Jon & Kate Plus Eight was fueled by her infatuation with the Gosselin children.

Today we present the piece below, written from the perspective of someone who freely admits that she finds children (children in general, not the Gosselin children in particular) quite distasteful. If I didn't know better, I would say that Kate Gosselin herself wrote that second paragraph.

The difference is that Kate went on to have children, whereas the author below has wisely chosen not to. I believe it is babies that Kate loves, but once they outgrow that doll-like state, she (like any self-respecting narcissistic) finds them annoying, inconvenient, and far more trouble than they are worth.


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Reprinted from a published comment written by Anonymous.

My two younger sisters have nine children between them, and they've been chattering about this show for a while. Their opinion is mostly negative, and mostly centers around the exploitation of the kids. Last night we were all at one of their homes, and they had me watch several episodes in a row. Afterward, they asked me to go to this website and post my thoughts.

Here's why: I don't have children. I don't want children, never did. I don't even like children. I don't think they are cute, adorable, precious or any of the usual terms. To me, even my nieces and nephews are simply annoying. I don't want their sticky-fingered hugs or germ-ridden kisses, and I have no capacity or interest in having conversations on a child's level. I like the life the two of us have, the peace and quiet, being able to go where we want when we want, not having to deny ourselves anything because "the kids come first". And the thought of pregnancy and delivering one baby (let alone six at once) horrifies me.

So with that background info in mind, as my sisters asked, I'll give my thoughts after seeing the show: I wouldn't begin to recognize the signs of kids being affected by the exploitation. To me they act as insufferable as all other kids I've ever had to bear witness to. I feel sorry for their neighbors and for any innocent bystanders in public or private whose space they invade without paying for it.

But, I see a lot of me in Kate. In her body language, her attitude, and her commentary. She is one self-centered individual, like a rooster who thinks the sun comes up every morning just to hear her crow. She's all smiles when she gets everything her way, but heaven help the world when she doesn't. I wouldn't in a million years take her for someone who would or could handle eight children without having a nervous breakdown, unless she could shirk off as much responsibility as possible on to others. The line she repeats at the beginning of every episode confirms this "I could very well lose my mind".

In fact the main difference between her and me is that her husband is tantamount to a ninth child. They married young, perhaps she didn't think it through, but someone with her ruthless ambition couldn't have stayed with an uneducated, unambitious man-child like that had the whole sextuplet/TV show thing not presented itself, and if he has a brain, he should have his own lawyer looking out for his interests separately from hers... for the time when the producers tell Kate that ratings are low and the show needs something to pique viewer's interest... something like a divorce, and the "plight" of a single mom trying to raise twins and sextuplets.

DeAnna said...

Wow. As a mom of two, I find this post very sad.

With that being said, however, I commend the author for sticking to her guns. A lot of people who never want kids get so much pressure that they have them anyway. It's a horrible situation for the kid because a lot of times, the parent doesn't change his/her mind once the child's here.

Anyway, I don't know that I necessarily agree that Kate doesn't/didn't like kids. I think she underestimated how much work they are and also got bombarded with several children at once (all by her choosing, but still...). I do think she is very selfish, which is probably her biggest downfall as a parent and as a person in general. Pretty much every negative thing people have to say about her can be traced back to her selfishness. If she could just learn to be selfless (truly selfless, not pretending-for-the-camera selfless) once in a while, I think she'd be a much better mother.

Anonymous said...

If she could just learn to be selfless (truly selfless, not pretending-for-the-camera selfless) once in a while, I think she'd be a much better mother. And wife, and daughter, and sister and neighbor and ...

chick said...

OP, I fully appreicate your honesty. Kids are not something everyone wants, and the height of selfish irresponsibility has to be having kids because it's expected of you when you don't actually want them.

When I started watching JK8, I liked it in part because I saw a lot of myself in Kate. I am also a bit neurotic, a bit of a clean freak, and I am not overly fond of mess.

Thus, I felt sorry for Kate. I would BE Kate if I had had multiple multiples. Why wouldn't I empathize?

Then I started realizing that many things Kate does are things I am fairly sure I would NEVER do, specifically:

repeatedly emasculting my husband in front of my kids

making no apparent effort to put others first, either her children or adult friends

Allowing my issues to control what I do every single day WRT my children

Being so self focused that she seems unable to see the havoc her choices wreak on her family

Now, I am not married and have no kids. I do work FT with children, and I love my career. But so far the love I have for "my kids" is love that doesn't extend to wanting a kid of my own. I enjoy being off the clock!

I wonder sometimes what Kate's life would be liike if she hadn't been so darn determined to have kids young. Would she have a killer career? Would she be single? Would she be a loving "auntie" to her siblings kids, who always leaves to go back to her quiet home with a sigh of relief?

I think she would be, frankly, much happier with either no kids or 1 kid. I am absolutely sure she loves her kids, but I also think they simply overwhelem and exhaust her to the point that she is not capable of seeing that she needs some sort of assistance to live a more mentally healthy life.

I have really rambled here. Sorry!

Lonnyswife said...

Insightful insight to say the least!
We raised 5 and although we love them to death my husband are very happy that they have all moved out and on with their own lives. They have all become great people in their own right.
They don't depend on us nor we on them. We talk on the phone on occasion and I don't think we've all be together for holidays in at least 10 years, and 4 of them were still at home then.
We are all spread all over the country.
My husband and I adore each others compnay and like our time together, alot like what the original poster says about her relationship with her partner.
We don't define who we are by our children and our children don't define themselves by who we are.
We had them, we raised them, we taught them to do right and be good people, and when they left, we said , bye, love ya, keep in touch.
I do appreciate the poster's honesty. And she didn't buckle to convention and have kids for the sake of having kids. I'd like to ask if she wishes she had a dime for every time someone asked when they were going to have kids.
The thing is, if you are going to have kids then there is a certain amount of time and energy that you are going to have to willingly fork over to them and their wants, needs and desires. When you have them it is ALL ABOUT THEM and it should be. When they have grown up and moved out, that's when you can have your life back and it can be all about you-you-you.
Are you listening Jon & Kate?

Aggiegal said...

I think that Kate likes kids and obviously wanted children of her own, but doesn't like parenting. Not all people who have children like being parents even when they love their kids. They like the cuddly parts of it, or even (dare I say it) the unconditional acceptance/adoration of children. The other times - not so much. Sometimes there are problems resentments over time demands (parents can't always take that "me" some may crave or even need), sometimes it is due to a sense of inadequency over being able to parent effectively, or both or some other reason.

Wanting children and raising children - two completely different things.

Anonymous said...

deanna said...
Anyway, I don't know that I necessarily agree that Kate doesn't/didn't like kids. I think she underestimated how much work they are and also got bombarded with several children at once (all by her choosing, but still...). I do think she is very selfish, which is probably her biggest downfall as a parent and as a person in general. Pretty much every negative thing people have to say about her can be traced back to her selfishness. If she could just learn to be selfless (truly selfless, not pretending-for-the-camera selfless) once in a while, I think she'd be a much better mother.

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I agree and I think its not that Kate dislikes kids but she LOVES babies. I love babies myself but that doesn't mean that I don't like kids as they get older, I am just enamored with babies.
Because Kate is such a control freak, she loses all concept of what is really important. She rather have her kitchen spotless, the children spotless and everything in its place. With 8 children, things are out of order all the time, she can't handle it. I believe she seriously has a case of OCD and there are many medications that help with this problem. There are different degrees and types of OCD and it can completely take over your life as it has in her family situation. She is way more concerned with "matching outfits", matching cribs, spotless countertops than she is with feelings.

Howie Mandel of "Deal, or No Deal" is currently in treatment for his OCD. He has it so severe that he can't sleep in his own home for fear of germs, he sleeps in the pool/guest house. Kate has an incessant need to control everything around her and if she feels out of control, she freaks. Because it is difficult to have 8 perfect children at all times, she feels out of control. She needs help! Howie, give her a call!

Lonnyswife said...

Aggiegirl said:
Wanting children and raising children - two completely different things.
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Amen sistah!!

Anonymous said...

Society sort of teaches us that women should be loving, warm, maternal, and obviously adore children, especially their own. The reality is not all women have good maternal instincts. Not all women like children, want children, or understand children. If a man doesn't care for children, no one bats an eye. But if a woman doesn't like them, everyone thinks it's incredibly strange and sad. Since time began a minority of people have been choosing not to have children because they simply don't want children.

I have suspected all along that Kate doesn't like children all that much. I'm sure she thinks she loves children, but really I think she likes them mostly for selfish reasons, instead of just loving them for their mere existance. She may love her children and do things with them, but she doesn't seem to appreciate or understand or enjoy what makes a child a child. She is not all that maternal. The difference is most women who don't like children recognize this and choose not to have them. Kate for some reason went ahead and had kids anyway. That is the sad part in this.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for speaking out. I agree with you completely. Kids do not interest me. I am an aunt and that can be nice sometimes. I do not have kids and knew from a young age (about 9 years old) that I would never want to have them. I have a great life and have done everything I have wanted to do - education, travel, career, etc. This does not mean I do not have "maternal instincts." Maternal instincts do not apply solely to children - you can still be maternal without having kids. I do not know why this is so hard for people to understand. To be honest with you, having kids would be abnormal. And as to Kate - I do not think she likes kids at all. They are a pain in the ass to her. Babies are good - cute and cuddly - but once they start to individuate and acquire personalities - this is when Kate goes ballistic - the classic sign of a clinical narcissist. Kate should never have had those kids. She sees them as objects - extensions of herself that will give her the attention she so pathologically craves. Now that they are older, her pathology will affect the kids in a profoundly negative way. You can tell me not to play armchair psychologist, but I feel I am on target about this.

Anonymous said...

As a "child free" person (I think that's the politically correct way to put it LOL), I too never wanted to have children. I can't say that I don't like children because I'm not around them that often. I do think the Gosselin children are cute, but I have the luxury of turning off my tv and they're gone for a week. If I had to live with them I would probably be bald from pulling my hair out LOL.

I think what can turn people off about kids are some the behaviors that the Gosselin children do exhibit i.e. all the screaming, fighing and hitting. But in a case like that I would blame the parents for not nipping it in the bud when the behavior started when they were younger.

I do agree with other posters that Kate does appear to like children but does not enjoy parenting. She especially seems to like babies. However she is a very distant mother. She doesn't interact with her children like reading to them or tossing a ball with them etc... She is more like a drill sargent. Order is more important than enjoying the special moments. She is always harping about memories, but she never creates memories that her children can look back at when they grow up and share with their children.

Dew said...

Have we ever once seen Kate crouch down to the children's level? There is either something wrong with her knees or she has the maternal instincts of a salt shaker. She just doesn't "melt" into her children like Jodi does. She doesn't physically get to their level, nor is she at their level emotionally either.

Anonymous said...

My four are grown, and while I enjoyed them (99% of the time, and puberty for my one girl was its own animal!), now that I am older I am not nearly as enamored of small children as I once was. My general rule of thumb sort of goes like this; "Ain't my grandkid, ain't cute".

I seriously do not know how these women who are going the hormone/fertility while in perimenopause do it...I couldn't at this age!

Anonymous said...

Kate for some reason went ahead and had kids anyway. That is the sad part in this. In dishonor of Kate, Heelllllooooooo. Jon assisted in this mess. Why did he agree to "just one more." Was her pathology not apparent to him with the twins?
I need to hear more from the family members who saw what she was like before the sextuplets to know when her full pathology bloomed into the soul sucking disease it appears to be on a weekly basis.
If she indeed was showing signs that she just wanted another doll to collect then Jon needs to be castrated for allowing this to go forward. It really irks me that everyone but Kate is getting a pass when it took more then one person to create this full blown disaster.
I can see why the parents want no part of this never ending bad joke but Jon has to be pretty sick to bring a baby or six into a house he had to know was bordering on toxic. Sad if true.

Lonnyswife said...

Dew-you make me laugh and I need a laugh right now!!!

Anonymous said...

Heellllooo, When people have an excessive number of children, it's not just the parents that sacrifice. The children sacrifice too, even though they don't want to. Look at Mady. Once the tups were born, the tups ended up with the lion's share of attention. Mady ended up ignored.

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned OCD. Kate does not exhibit the symptoms of OCD. Being a "neat freak" is not sufficient to qualify. However, Kate does have personality disorder. Her actions have some hallmarks of wolf or feral canine pack behavior. Kate sees herself as the alpha female in a matriarchal pack. More than simply a need to control her environment, Kate needs to dominate others around her. She seeks to surround herself with submissives, and has shown readiness to rid her life of anyone whom she regards as a threat to her dominance, without a thought to the consequences her actions have on her children. As her children grow and begin to assert themselves, it remains to be seen whether Kate can comprehend that it is a normal and welcome part of their development, or whether she will them as a threat to her alpha status, and turn on them. The answer will come when Mady and Cara reach their teenage rebellious stage.

Does Kate love her children? In the pack model, emotions such as love and hate are irrelevant. It is about resources. Kate is completely egocentric. She "loves" what her children can do to increase her sense of well-being. They make her feel powerful, important and needed. And through the show and other marketable ventures, they bring her fame, admiration and prosperity. Unquestionably she views any negativity toward her as envy, it pleases her that people are jealous of her, and she revels in pitying them. That is why Jon, not Kate, has been the one to take umbrage in the blogs.

Nadia said...

Cheers to you poster, I admire you greatly for knowing yourself well enough to have never have children. Being a parent is one of the hardest jobs in the world and I could not imagine doing what I do everyday if I did not feel like it was what I was meant to do. I know serveral people in my life that have felt the same way. One lady that I know went as far as to have her tubes tied at 16 (she flew out of the country to do it because the doctors in our area refused to do it). She HATES little kids and looks at mine (ages 4,2,2)like they are pools of germy slime. But she has a passion for working with teens! She is blessed with nearly unlimated funds and has put several foster teens through collage and have flown many of them all over the world. My point being that all of us have a different calling, and I admire everyone who looks for theirs rather then just following what is often expected of you.

Sadly I have also known some people that have had children even thought they felt the same way that you do. They often said "I think that I will feel different if it is own child". But they did not feel different, and it was heartbreaking to watch what those poor children went through because of thier parents choice.

I have three boys and I have always known that I wanted to have chilren. But it is very hard and there are days that I wonder how I will make it through the day.

I agree that I think that Kate only like infants. A baby stays where you put it and is fun to show off and to Kate thats what her kids are, little show pieces! From someone who was raised by a stage mom I know the long term effects of being in the lime light all of time. The attention is adictive and you start to feel that you have no worth of your own if people are not fawning over you. But it is not too late, there is still time to repair some of the damage.

Barbara in VA said...

In the south there used to be what were called chain gangs. They were criminals who were tasked to do things like walk along a roadside and cut the grass. Probably at one time they were chained together (thus the name) although I don't remember seeing the chains. But there were police officers walking alongside the prisoners holding guns. The head police officer was calling the "walking boss". As a prisoner you did not want to piss off the walking boss. So in southern vernacular (sp?) that phrase, walking boss, came to mean someone who, for example, ran their household like they were the dictator. They moved among the people who lived there and gave out orders and woe to the person who disobeyed. They didn't explain, they didn't apologize, they saw no need for it.

Kate is the walking boss of that household. No question about that. She doesn't see herself in any other way. Jon perhaps is one of the officers but when he sees fit to question the boss he is reminded in no uncertain terms of the differences in their status.

Anonymous said...

Kate as the leader of a wild wolf/dog pack. That's a new one. I'll have to do some reading on that topic.

ThreeFarmers said...

Anonymous 7:41 a.m.--

You perfectly said what I've been thinking about a while. Kate's focus on the words like "us" and "always have each other" and "it's our life" always seemed odd to me. Things like friends and extended family weren't ever in the picture, let alone the possibility of future sons and daughters-in-law (Kate as a mother-in-law, can you imagine?).

While I understand the issues with trying to diagnose someone with only the information viewed on a television show, I would like to submit for your perusal, my own seriously non-medical, non-professional, possibly nonsensical diag-nonsense.

Kate is suffering from a greed impaction. She has accumulated so much money and freebies that it has created an intestinal blockage so severe that not even the free Dick's Sporting Goods broom (because that's where the best brooms come from) that has apparently been shoved up her ass for the last 4 years can do anything to dislodge it.

The pain and discomfort of such an impaction can only be eased by sitting in a white plastic lawn chair with Hannah on her lap.

Imaginary tests have also discovered that Kate possesses the ME gene, a mutation typically found in child narcissists born in the 1970s, causing a screamingly obvious lack of self awareness and inability to recognize the most potent nefarious aspects of one's own toxic personality.

This ME gene condition is compounded with the fact that this flinger of insolence and soiled hedonism exists (dare I say, thrives) under the protective banner of Christianity which exists in her daily life on a myriad of T-shirts if not in practice.

The treatment for Kate's malaise is difficult at best. It would involve the rejection of all future "love offerings" and the immediate cancellation of any and all reality television documentation and a full transfusion to replace all writers, producers, technical staff, executives, managers, agents, and public relations staff with Grandmas, Grandpas, Aunties, Uncles, cousins, in-laws, friends and anyone else with a good heart.

With proper administration, attention, and careful adherence to the prescribed course of treatment, her prognosis is good.

Anonymous said...

Kate is so controlling and so concerned about keeping her children clean that she has lost the ability to connect with her children on a positive level. I remember in one episode that John finally had the stones to tell Kate to, “Shut up and start playing with your children instead of yelling at them.” John at least plays with the kids and seems to connect with them at a positive level.

Anonymous said...

ThreeFarmers said...

With proper administration, attention, and careful adherence to the prescribed course of treatment, her prognosis is good.

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In other words, an exorcism should do the trick.

ThreeFarmers said...

In other words, an exorcism should do the trick.

Ya know, I think Jesus would be happy just to get his t-shirts back.

Anonymous said...

A ME gene exorcism! You guys rock! I am LMAO!

Anonymous said...

Only if He shops consignment. And with some luck & an additional $20 - they'll throw in an autographed pic.

Monkey said...

What you write resonates with me. I look back at the letter I wrote my first child when she turned one and what you say reflects that. I wrote: "You are my first, and as much as I hope to teach you, you'll teach me more. Already you've taught me true selflessness, true consideration and the true value of things vs. people..."

That is what parenthood is supposed to do because until we have children, who do we look out for but ourselves? Even in a childless marriage there is an allowable level of selfishness just because spouses don't need as much as children do. It's so sad to me that Kate doesn't seem to be willing to learn these lessons, or perhaps she believes her pregnancy and their infancy was enough unselfishness to cover the rest of their lives. I don't pretend to know that answer, but I pray she examines her life soon and learns those lessons before her life spins out of her control and ruins the family.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous on 9/12 said:I agree and I think its not that Kate dislikes kids but she LOVES babies...

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I actually think that she does not like babies either. Think about it...she had 6 babies and a full-time baby nurse and a army of volunteers for a FULL year. The volunteers lingered until quite recently...the lady who folded laundry, the lady who ironed, and the lady who put away the clothes.

Now don't you think that a mom who truly loved HER babies would want to raise HER children on her own as soon as she could. With 6 babies the first couple of months would be horrendous with endless feeding, changing, bathing, and sleepless nights, but after a while when one or two were on a sleeping schedule, don't you think that she would have said "I am O.K. to be alone with these babies."

It sounds like she has never been alone with these children--judging by what I have read and the TV series. She has always had Jon or her family or an army of volunteers or the production team. I find this incredibly sad.

Some of my fondest memories happened when I was home alone with 1 or 2 or 3 of my children. Perhaps a child tells you a secret or another one does a little dance or a couple have fun with a craft project. This family don't have any alone time.

At 4 years old, Kate has really missed the great times with her kids. I have never seen her play on the floor with them. She seems to stand over them, but not engage. Now I am not some superMom, in reality my eyes glaze over at the thought of playing Candyland yet again or reading an favorite book, but now that my youngest is in Kindergarten for a full day, I do miss those kid moments even if at the time the good moments were interspersed with the bad moments.

Liz said...

I have a slightly different perspective. I think that Kate initially wanted children in theory - perhaps believing that they would make her happy, but then quickly became overwhelmed by the responsibility.

I think that she likes the CONTROL of being someone's mother. She seems to genuinely enjoy ordering her husband and children around. She not only orders him, but sandwiches her commands with emasculating commentary. I remember vividly the "will" episode, and her panic at the possibility that she might not be able to control her children's futures.

They didn't stop being dolls to her when they were babies. She looks to them and her husband only in terms of how they relate to HER, and denies their individual needs and desires. I feel sorry for all of them. Just pity. All I feel is pity.

Anonymous said...

I know I've seen this posted before, but for whatever reason no one noticed. Someone had asked previously whether or not the children ever said "I love you" to J&K, or vice versa. I had thought the same thing when I watched the show because surely they would have mentioned it at least one time. I have never seen an episode, ever, of the parents saying it to the children or vice versa. Has anyone else noticed this?

mlou said...

"I know I've seen this posted before, but for whatever reason no one noticed. Someone had asked previously whether or not the children ever said "I love you" to J&K, or vice versa. I had thought the same thing when I watched the show because surely they would have mentioned it at least one time. I have never seen an episode, ever, of the parents saying it to the children or vice versa. Has anyone else noticed this?"

Several episodes ago Jon told Joel "Yes you are my son and I Love You." The only thing is Jon seemed to look at the camera before he said it. It seemed more like damage control than a genuine act. This is the only time I have ever heard either parent say this.

I agree with you it is nowhere near enough said if ever. It's a shame that every act or word is done for the show and not the benefit of their children.

Anonymous said...

Quote: "This ME gene condition is compounded with the fact that this flinger of insolence and soiled hedonism exists (dare I say, thrives) under the protective banner of Christianity which exists in her daily life on a myriad of T-shirts if not in practice."

I concur 100% !! Such complexity summerized within the simplicity of one sentence.

alana said...

alana says

My older sister has been an ob. and nnicu nurse for 25 years. We've had many long talks about Kate's psychological pathology. However unlicensed, we've asked our educated in post graduate psychology selves how someone like Kate ends up with two sets of multiples and finds it dreadful and exhausting.

Kate's obsession to get pregnant again when the twins were barely a year old, not to mention her extreme desire to get pregnant w/the twins so soon after getting married, IMO she's a "nine month mother." That's the name we gave our own mother who, after giving birth to 9 of us in eleven years, literally threw in the towel, retreated to the sanity of her bedroom, and left our raising up to various housekeepers and the nuns. As long as there was a bassinette in the living room and birth announcements to send out, she had a purpose and an identity.

I think Kate's obsession with getting pregnant, giving birth, and babies (not children or people)has been demonstrated by her own statements:
"They looked just like little China dolls...I just knew I was gonna have a hard time getting pregnant (w/the twins)...
They weren't babies anymore."

And Jon, "She LOVES babies..."

Kates inability to wait until the sextuplets were older than four to show them "Where Did I Come From?" was narcisstic indeed. I felt like that entire episode was more about Kate giving birth than the sextuplets being born; just watch her behavior and facial expressions as she describes it. She's practically giddy.

I told my sister that I think maybe Kate got rid of Jody because Jody not only still has a baby, but the possibility of more babies, whereas Kate has no possibility of more babies and the feelings of jealousy are unbearable.

After 25 years of working with the parents of many sets of multiples, my sister said that after giving birth to multiples, many parents,especially the mothers, act like it's all about them. They are the ones with the golden uteri, they are the blessed and unique ones. After they give birth, it's like the babies aren't even there, they are an afterthought, a by product of their (the mothers') greatness and specialness. It's all about them. She said she didn't know what they were like before giving birth to multiples. But for some reason, afterwards, some of these mothers are true narcissists.

IMO, Kate was always borderline. She either could care less or she's obsessed. It's a non-issue or it's a major war; "say that you'll never say 'seasons' again." It's either spotless or it's hideously filthy garbage. It's either perfect or it has gum on it and must be thrown away. You either ate your dinner = you get a cupcake or you didn't eat it all = no cupcake.

They either have contact w/family and friends or they have zero contact with any one outside the ten of them. It's either black or it's white; this kind of thinking is the essence of a borderline. Finally, you're either a boy or a girl.

Our mother didn't like boy children or grandchildren, either.

Anonymous said...

to alana (and her sis)-

First,I hope that you and your family are doing great despite a not-so-great upbringing.

I think your observations/analysis are very interesting. There are so many theories about Kate and why she is how she is - one common thread in all the theories is that Kate is a mentally unstable/unbalanced mother who is incapable of raising her children.

(BTW, another example of the black or white theory : I can't recall the episode, but Kate and Jon were arguing in the garage about Mady or Cara's shoes. Kate snaps at Jon and states " either stand with me or stand against me!")

Strife said...

I sympathize with the opening post. I am not the slightest interested in children of my own.

That has always been the appeal of shows like Nanny 911, Supernanny and Gosselins to me. I watch and feel so incredibly pleased with my decision to never have children. The kids of those shows are often awful and the parents even worse. When I was younger and enjoyed basking in the glow of my own superiority as I watched the bad parents' horrible spawn.

Then when I got older I realized "hey, I'm kind of an asshole". I might not like kids but they deserve loving parents, security and the right to now be exploited on television. Not as much fun watching the "horrible" kids after that. I truly support the mission for laws to protect children in reality television.

Ruthe said...

If Kate didn't have all these children, she and Jon would either be
a.) divorced by now, and happy in their own right,
b.) living hand to mouth in a bitty little apartment in a nondescript small town, and happy in their own right, or
c.) both of them working, and making dinner, and doing laundry, and going to church, and making/keeping friends, and most of all visiting family for no other reason just because it's Wednesday.

Jon and Kate's selfishness has caught up to them and they can't figure a way out of this without looking like total fools. Get out of your contact and live a normal life like the rest of us. ... it's less exhausting, trust me.

Barbara in VA said...

Oh, yes, the "stand with me or stand against me" statement. What a drama queen! I think if I made a declaration like that over such a trivial thing my entire family would crack up with laughter. She's a joke and it would behoove Jon to let her know that.

Anonymous said...

To Ruthe-

Actually, I think that if there were no show, Kate would be no different than she is now. She is a selfish, greedy, lazy and miserable person. No matter what her circumstances are, she is the type of person who will never be happy.

KON are perfect examples of "money can't buy class".


To Strife - I think the fact that you stood by your decision to not have kids is great. Not everyone should have kids, regardless of what society says. There are tons of parents who shouldn't be. So, in your defense, you are not an asshole =)

Thanks also for being sympathetic towards the G babes, even if you can't be empathetic.

Anonymous said...

"She is one self-centered individual, like a rooster who thinks the sun comes up every morning just to hear her crow. She's all smiles when she gets everything her way, but heaven help the world when she doesn't."

Wow, you nailed her with that dead-on synopsis.

Anonymous said...

There's actually a moment in their first special "Surviving Twins and Sextuplets" where Kate is on the floor actually chewing on a chewie with Leah. It was very cute and sweet... Seems like she's just changed, not necessarily that she doesn't like kids. Maybe she feels she's too important now.