Free Discussion 9/27-10/3

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138 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Viewer episode...sounds like damage control to me. I wonder how many of the viewers' e-mails will conveniently pertain to issues floating about in the blogosphere. Let's see constipation, gum, Jodi, cupcakes, Beth, laundry room floor, and missing helpers, the list goes on.

Anonymous said...

For those wondering about Jon's hair plugs, here is a link to the Hair Institute:

http://www.newhair.com/feature/jon-kate/

He is now a spokes "hair" person.

Anonymous said...

The damage control issue is very interesting to me. IMHO, I think they have always used faulty reasoning to validate their choices.

For example, I was just watching the re-run of when they took the twins for a special photo shoot. They took the twins for something special - just for them...they then take their two favorite girls (Leah and Hannah)because the sitter couldn't mind all the tups. While there - on the twins special day - they allow Leah and Hannah to get made up by the make-up artist - So much for just for the twins day.

When they arrive home, Kate is quick to address that there were no hard feelings, just happiness to see one another again. Sure for now there are no hard feelings, but what happens when poor Alexis see this later on...you know when getting down for nap (oh yeah, that's right, Lexi doesn't get to sleep with her sisters now either...maybe she'll catch a re-run from the basement tv).

This was a really early episode and its so interesting to see it now that my blinders are off, favoritism and faulty validation have been the one constant these kids can count on.

Anonymous said...

These two reality stars are such a joke. They should not be admired at all since they make their money by pimping out their children on their show, I can't believe some people defend what these two do.

Anonymous said...

The ambitious parents of sextuplets answer some of the 150-plus emails they receive every day from curious viewers around the country.

Don't expect them to answer the questions that we really want to know the answers to. Especially, don't think they are going to talk about Jodi. If they do, it will be more lies.

Addison said...

Pretty new to this site, but not at all new to hating J/K plus 8 (in fact, the TwOP board was what got me interested in watching the show in the first place.

I have a comment that has to do with this show being a "documentary" (and on that note, all reality tv is pretty much an offshoot of the documentary genre - though many documentary makers see it as an ugly step child.) I am taking a documentary making class this semester and as someone who wants to eventually make documentaries, I think when it comes to the ethics of this kind of filmmaking, Jon and Kate + 8 is sickening.

The first thing we learned in the class is that a good documentary maker should NEVER take advantage of or do anything to harm his/her subjects. They should instead appraoch the project with good intentions and with love. As a documentary maker, one has the power to do whatever they want with the footage and edit it however they choose. Sometimes, its hard to know where to draw the line between okay and exploitive footage.

That said, I don't see HOW the makers of JK+8 could possibly think what they show is ethical. They are clearly harming the children by filming their everyday lives and dooming their chances of a normal childhood. On top of that, they edit so many embaressing moments that people who know the family (such as classmates of Mady and Cara's will see.) Examples: Mady's "villain/brat" edit, Joel's "plummer's crack" in the beach episode, Collin's constipation problem and any footage of the tups changing/throwing up or going to the bathroom.

What are they thinking airing this stuff? TLC should be ashamed of itself...

Kittie said...

This was originally supposed to be a blog post I sent in about 2 weeks ago. I really want to hear some feedback on these thoughts. It was never posted so here ya go...

I recently started watching this show because I seen a lot of negative publicity about it. All this negative publicity is attracting more viewers. I never even heard of this show until about 3-4 months ago and they are on the 4th season. Im guessing they have more people watching now then ever. I think some things needed to be taken into consideration on what is happening now. There is only a small amount of people that read the "hate Jon & Kate" message boards or read the tabloids. I don't think we are getting through to the amount of people needed to successfully get this show off the air. This show brings in ratings. I actually did some research myself and J&K is #10 in the list of shows with the most product placement for Jan-June 08 according to the Nielsen rating system. Sadly this show is getting a lot more positive reactions in the media then negative. (Oprah,Morning talk shows, last months Entertainment Weekly gave the show a B+,among other magazines like Good Housekeeping and Ladies Home Journal) This is one of TLC's highest rated shows...Which is why its on so often. The amount of people that are blind to the message boards and tabloids or even the show itself is astronomical.Juciy Juice and V-tech don't care if the thousand people (at best) boycott their products. They have so many more people that are willing to continue to buy their stuff. From the time it takes to shoot an episode to the time it air is about 2 months for this show. With all the negative publicity that has been going on for the past year you would think these places and products would not want to be associated with this show. I feel kind of guilty for contributing to these negative comments because we are just giving them ideas for damage control. I just honestly don't know what to do...

Anonymous said...

"The first thing we learned in the class is that a good documentary maker should NEVER take advantage of or do anything to harm his/her subjects. They should instead appraoch the project with good intentions and with love. As a documentary maker, one has the power to do whatever they want with the footage and edit it however they choose. Sometimes, its hard to know where to draw the line between okay and exploitive footage.
"

Bravo to you for pointing that out. Not only are the filmmakers taking advantage of these children, but their own parents are doing so. These greedy poor excuses for parents, Figure 8, and TLC are so far into exploitatin of these children, that there is no blurring of the lines. It is blatnatly put out there for all to see.

Anonymous said...

I was reading PennMommy's blog and she said she posted on "Gosselin's Do Not Need Our Pity." I went over there and read her 9/26 post. In it, she says that, "CPS has been notified (MULTIPLE TIMES by MULTIPLE PEOPLE). That doesn't entitle any of you to know why or when or how or the actions taken/not taken." I wonder if she is referring to nuts who call CPS or if people in the community called because they have evidence that those kids are really at imminent risk. This is just my opinion, but based on comments Julie has made about how bad things are "off camera," I think Kate is a disturbed enough woman to be a real menace to her kids. And I am not just talking about what we see on TV.

Addison said...

Thanks, anon!

Jon and Kate are terrible for letting this show go on, no questions there, but I really wish the production crew would stand up to them. They should realize they are being completely unethical/exploitive and STOP. Clearly they are at least partly to blame for this situation getting so out of hand. Since the filmmakers (TLC, Figure 8, Jen, whoever...) are the ones providing the equipment, they should be able to call it quits regardless of what J and K want. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like they realize they're doing anything wrong. They don't see the harm their "editing" is going to do. It's one thing to give an adult on a reality tv show a crappy edit (those villains on Survivor for example) because they are adults and know what they are getting into. It's completely different to edit Mady as the "villain." (Kate, well, different story. I don't think any amount of editing could make her look like anything but a villain.)

Ugh. This is why people hate reality tv! I don't think this show deserves to be called a documentary at all!

Anonymous said...

Im sure J & K's responses to viewer questions will be answered ambiguously at best and filled with their typical ' WE decided', WE are blessed', 'WE thought it would be a good idea', WE know who truly love us', 'WE are doing the best WE can', ' WE are doing this all for the children', numerous declarations of everything in their life being 'AWESOME', and will conclude with 'Dont forget to buy our soon to be released DVD and book'.

Katie said...

I am a regular lurker and occasional commenter.

I know this is a little bit off topic, but this little boy really needs a lot of prayer and positive thoughts.

http://draykecrom.blogspot.com/

His name is Drayke. He is a preemie who is now critically ill, in need of a lung transplant, and could very well die.

Please pray for this little boy. Please send his mom and dad any positive words or thoughts you can. This little guy and his parents truly need it.

Anonymous said...

Kittie said: I feel kind of guilty for contributing to these negative comments because we are just giving them ideas for damage control. I just honestly don't know what to do...
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Yes. It seems that GWoP is the primary "guidebook to damage control" for KON and their people. But, the "damage control" isn't working for any of us here - it's totally disingenuous. I think we just have to keep up documenting our opinions and views to preserve them as a record for the kids when they get older and ask, "Why didn't anybody do anything?" They will know that a large group of the general public cared about them and found their situation unacceptable.

Anonymous said...

The CPS comment stood out to me too on PennMommy's blog. I'm shocked that multiple people have called multiple times on them. Either there has been witnessing of suspect behavior or they are just inquiries/concerns made to CPS. Very interesting.

Barbara said...

Just wondering if this is a new show or a rerun. The information sounds like the one we have seen previously such as how they handle laundry?

hellokitty said...

UPCOMING EPISODE DETAILS FROM TV GUIDE
http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?tvobjectid=287169&more=ucepisodelist&episodeid=8650577

Episode Detail: Picture Perfect - Jon & Kate Plus 8
The Gosselins are photographed for the cover of Good Housekeeping, which becomes quite a challenge with more than 35 people crowding the shoot. Oct. 6

Episode Detail: Mr. Mom - Jon & Kate Plus 8
Jon rules the roost when Kate leaves town for a few days. Oct. 13

The COVER OF GOOD HOUSEKEEPING?! I wonder if that is still on. Also, the New FAQ's episode isn't listed. I guess this was sudden damage control.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to say but the production crew/ producers etc. are most definitely willing to look the other way (off camera) because of one thing. MONEY. The almighty dollar...millions of them, millions and millions of them. They don't give a rat's a$$ about the welfare of the children...Only their wallets and bank accounts.

Mimi said...

What stood out for me about the CPS comment on Penn Mommy's blog is that apparently one poster keeps demanding to know the details of CPS being called.

I'm sure there are many, many things that Penn Mommy and Julie know that we do not and no poster should, IMO, continue to harrass either of them to post detais they aren't comfortable posting.

Ravello said...

PM's information that CPS had been contacted multiple times is very interesting. She made it sound like insiders did the reporting. We will probably never know who called or what the allegations were.

We have seen some questionable parenting on the show- Joelgate, Gumgate, Cupcakegate, the furniture buying episode, the favoritism of some and the ridicule of others. Wonder what goes on when the cameras are not rolling. I hope for the kid's sake everything is OK.

On a recent episode, Kate mentioned Alexis verbalizing "being nervous". That is very worrisome to me, Alexis is only 4 years old. My sister and I compared notes and our kids did not discussed anxiety at such a tender age.

Anonymous said...

Alexis being "nervous" is just the latest in a long line of red flags these kids are waving in the face of their parents which are being ignored, minimized, or rationalized away.

Any one behavior by itself can be explained, but looking at all the dysfunction displayed by all the kids sends off sirens and alarms shouting, "Ull the plug! Pull the plug!"

End the madness now.

ThreeFarmers said...

This is merely my opinion, but the televised shots of the kids in the shower and going to the potty are enough reason to at least notify CPS. I also think having to spend so much time under those bright studio lights could be physically damaging as well.

While I doubt J&K have done anything (I hope not, anyway) to have the kids removed. I think it's a good idea to have CPS on alert.

Lana said...

I have finally accepted the fact that *NOTHING* that is said on these blogs and/or the internet is going to have any effect on the show. It will go on until it dies a natural death. And even then, we'll see specials, reruns, etc forever.

It's like banging your head against the wall, our voices are small and it's just not having any effect whatsoever.

I'm curious about a couple of things:

1) Doesn't that show ever go into hiatus? I just saw a commercial that the Roloff show is coming back. I don't think I've seen a new episode of LPBW for months. Say what you want about the Roloff's, at least they don't film constantly.

2)I'm also curious about Alexis. What in the world does Kate have against Alexis? My gosh, she's a little girl. What could she possibly have done to turn her mother against her? I don't get it. The boys are a different story; she seems to prefer "girls" over "boys". But Alexis IS a girl. So is there some story that I don't know about?

3) Thinking back to when they were having all their special days. I thought it was really odd that they went on and on about giving each child a special day, then Kate chose not to go on some of the outings for the boys. Knowing what I know now about having a babysitter always available, why wouldn't she go with the boys, just like she did with the girls? That was really bizarre to me. And sad.

4) And why in the world would she make her sick kids sleep on the floor in the laundry room? Sick kids need to be cuddled and loved; not tossed aside like they are a bother. I was appalled at that scene! Even now, it really really bothers me.

Anyway, those are just some of my thoughts on this train wreck of a show.

Anonymous said...

Ravello said: PM's information that CPS had been contacted multiple times is very interesting. She made it sound like insiders did the reporting. We will probably never know who called or what the allegations were.
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In my opinion, for as horrible and extreme as Kate is on the show, I think she is a lot worse off camera. I bet she "tones it down" for the show. Even so, you do not have to be a mental health professional to be able to see that there is something very, very wrong with her and that she is clearly disturbed. The emotional abuse we see of her kids and husband every week is horrific - how can people not understand that she is a disturbed woman in need of psychiatric help? (And we only see a tiny, tiny portion of their lives!) I keep thinking of Andrea Yates and Marilyn Lemak. Maybe the neighbors or other insiders have called CPS because they KNOW firsthand how unstable and disturbed Kate is and they really fear for the safety of those kids in her care. As bad as it is for a grown man not to be working, maybe it's good Jon quit his job and stays home and takes care of them - they are in less danger in his care.

Anonymous said...

Well they do admit in the speaking engagements that they do spank. Nowadays, you can give your child a swat on the bottom or hand and a stranger can decide to be the P.C. police and report you. Not saying hitting your kid is right or wrong, but nowadays I think most parents are afraid to do ANY disciplining to their kids in public and since Kate has said on the show that she doesn't even notice people, maybe she did something to cause red flags on more than one occassion and the person(s) felt it was important enough to call in the authorities. Sad.

Julie411 said...

I've not read about the CPS issue yet, so forgive me if I am stating the obvious or the already revealed but my guess is that if CPS was called it was about Alexis sleeping in the basement on a regular basis. I've never noticed an egress window in the basement and that would be a major no-no. If there were a fire at the house, there would be too great a chance that rescuers could not get to her, not to mention the fact that the fire department might not know to check the basement for an 8th child.

There is NO WAY IN HELL I would put one of my kids in the basement without an appropriate fire escape route.

Now...what about beds. Aren't parents supposed to provide each child a real bed?

I don't care if the child does wake up the other kids, In my opinion, they are not handling it properly. She is old enough to reason with now. And they should be able to alter he behavior with a reward system or by taking away a priviledge.

Anonymous said...

I think perhaps Kate was so enchanted with the twins she was hoping to duplicate with the second pregnancy. Boys were never in her fantasy family, and Alexis is just one girl too many.

I can't stand it when she says that they just don't know about boys yet or that boys are new to them. The boys are four years old for goodness sake! It's not like they suddenly appeared or anything. What was there to get used to?

I can't stand how in so many episodes she or Jon claims that they are only able to buy/do something because they saved to do so. Like the special days, she claimed they saved for a long time for those, like they were paying for it all themselves. Also, with so many special things they did this season, are we really supposed to believe they scrimp and save to afford these things?

Also, I can't stand how she always talks about how easy things used to be and acts all sad about how different things are now. That sure isn't going to make the kids feel very good when they look back at her saying things like that. Plus, I suspect her life would be easier if she stopped the filming and just became like any other family with eight kids.

I always feel so torn about this show. I like seeing the kids as they grow. But I feel guilty watching because I think the show has intruded into their lives and privacy more than it needed to. I'd think they could do 20 shows a year easily by coming random days and using that footage. Why do they need to be there 3-4 days a week?

Anonymous said...

Anon said: Why do they need to be there 3-4 days a week?
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Money - which tranlates into spa treatments, plastic surgery, and anything else Kate wants. Oh, and fame - did I forget fame? Kate is a Fame Whore.

Anonymous said...

I've not read about the CPS issue yet, so forgive me if I am stating the obvious or the already revealed but my guess is that if CPS was called it was about Alexis sleeping in the basement on a regular basis. I've never noticed an egress window in the basement and that would be a major no-no. If there were a fire at the house, there would be too great a chance that rescuers could not get to her, not to mention the fact that the fire department might not know to check the basement for an 8th child.

There is NO WAY IN HELL I would put one of my kids in the basement without an appropriate fire escape route.

Now...what about beds. Aren't parents supposed to provide each child a real bed?

I don't care if the child does wake up the other kids, In my opinion, they are not handling it properly. She is old enough to reason with now. And they should be able to alter he behavior with a reward system or by taking away a priviledge.


I don't know, I don't think a child sleeping in the basement warrants a call to CPS. Alot of people have big families and are forced to remodel/use a furnished basement into a bedroom because they can't afford a bigger place. I'd imagine it's no different than remodeling an attic into a bedroom.

Maybe someone who knows the laws or red flags that a CPS worker has to follow can post here?

I do have a friend who adopted 4 little girls. The CPS/social worker would make regular visits, it was part of the protocol. Anyways, my friend had a VERY SMALL 2 bedroom house. She shared a room with her 2 biological daughters, and the other 4 girls were in the other bedroom. The CPS worker said as long as each child had their own bed and dresser, those were the only basic requirements, as far as living/sleeping arrangements went. I don't know if there is a dresser for Alexis in the basement, but I just don't think that alone would be reason to call CPS, and if it was why is she still down there?

Travis said...

Julie411 said...And they should be able to alter he behavior with a reward system or by taking away a priviledge.

I am by no means siding with J/K but how would a reward system or taking away a privilege work when her whole life is a reward/privilege by normal standards? Alexis, do not wake us or your sisters up or you'll have to stay home while we go make memories at Sesame Place, the zoo, Outer Banks, etc. It would never work. It's easier for J/K to just ignore it. Out of sight, out of mind.

Anonymous said...

Could someone give some examples of where Kate has shown where she does not 'like' Alexis? I see her preferences for the girls in general over the boys but I really can't think of anything that makes me think Alexis is less favored.

Anonymous said...

I do not understand the concern over Alexis in the basement. Unless there is no egress window as someone else mentioned. Why is it any different from her having her own room upstairs? The basement is finished nicely, it is as clean as the rest of the house. She is no further away from her parents than if she were on the 2nd floor.

Anonymous said...

I was a fan of the show. More and more I noticed Kate's tendencies. I am not a mother (hope to be one day) so perhaps I did not pick up on some of the behavior with the children right away. But the problem became apparent with the hair plug episode. Jon seemed to have no interest in leaving his family for a painful surgery. Kate said it was his version of her tummy tuck, but again, you didn't see much interest from Jon. I didn't understand why she needed to leave the children - until they arrived and the surgery was performed. When she decided where Jon's new hairline would be, I was floored. I would never dream of directing my husband and his doctors as to where to put his hairline. My husband would like to have this procedure himself, but we can't afford it on our >$100K+ yearly salary.

That is why Kate left her children behind. To decide where her husband's hairline would be. I doubt Jon had any say in where her belly button would be with the tummy tuck.

As far as the children, I do feel sorry for these kids. Some will inevitably side with the parents, but there will be the rebels that, after years of therapy, have to declare the truth and will disown the family to move forward with their lives.

So what could have been a happy, privatey, somewhat-struggling family that enjoyed camping trips and days in the park will now be a family ripped from the inside out.

My husband and I both grew up without much financially, but we both had a happy childhood. Now are successful beyond anything we ever imagined. We're still very close with our family, and we appreciate all that they sacrificed for us. In fact, I take my mom with me when I travel and when we have extra money, we share with our families.

Kate and Jon continually ask strangers for donations for a college fund. I understand the importance of an education. I was the first person in my family to get an advanced degree, but I was able to do it without any college fund whatsoever. My only sibling, a brother, is an electrical and computer engineer. I just recently obtained my masters. I had cousins and every dime of their education was funded by parents and grandparents. One cousin obtained a degree from a reknowned school, but he is now sitting in jail. His brother, got into a bar fight while in college, was in a coma, and has a job that doesn't require a college education.

NEWSFLASH to Jon and Kate: A college fund does not equate to future success. Love, kindness, privacy, and interest in your children does.

Anonymous said...

Sorry if this isn't new info but I have read that Jon and Kate will be on Regis this Friday and then Kate will be on the TLC show Say Yes to the Dress on October 10th. She is looking for the perfect dress for her Hawaiin vow renewal. She finds two dresses and then the poor designer has to somehow combine them since Kate can't make up her mind. Ugh. She is everywhere!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I do not understand the concern over Alexis in the basement. Unless there is no egress window as someone else mentioned. Why is it any different from her having her own room upstairs? The basement is finished nicely, it is as clean as the rest of the house. She is no further away from her parents than if she were on the 2nd floor.

9/27/2008 7:33 PM

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I agree. There is an outside door I remember seeing in the unfurnished part of the basement behind those 2 doors anyways (that separate the furnished & unfurnished parts.)

More than anything else I'd be most concerned about having a burglar alarm in that house now that the whole world knows your 4 year old little girl sleeps in the basement alone!

Jennifer A. said...

general comment: Has anyone else noticed from earlier episodes (like season 1/2) when Kate had the hand made chore/potty chart on the basement door to one of the marathon episodes when there was some fancy fabric thing hanging there? I doubt she sews. And I have store made chore charts for my kids, but I BOUGHT them with my hard earned money in insurance.

Twinner said...

Crossover Alert:

I was reading a Say Yes to the Dress forum and someone posted a link to a future show.

October 10: Say Yes to the Dress
It's Always Something
TV-G

Shopping for a wedding dress is a challenge, especially for Kate Gosselin from TLC's "Jon & Kate Plus 8," who wants a dress for her renewal ceremony. But after Kate falls in love with two gowns, managers must convince a designer to turn 2 dresses into one

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=2.14966.55906.34776.x&start=10

Natasha said...

I can think back to many examples of Kate being tender/loving/fun with Alexis, as much as I can with any of the other girls. And as far as Alexis not going with the other girls to some places, we don't know everything...it's certainly possible that Alexis enjoys staying with/playing with the boys---or even being "by herself," i.e. away from her sisters. I'm sure with that many girls in a family, even a 4-year-old would like a break occasionally! She seems like a pretty smart girl, in my opinion.

Along those lines, her "nervous" comment could easily have been repeating something Kate or one of the twins said, or something like that. My niece is 4 and it's my understanding (I don't see her often) that she repeats things she hears just for the hell of it---just to try out the sound and flavor of a new word. It's my understanding that MOST little kids do that, in fact.

I'm not trying to be a Jon & Kate apologist, and I've stated before my opinion about the egregious negatives of their little home-based business here (the filming of nudity, screaming/harshness from Kate, toileting, etc). I just don't see the shunning of Alexis that many others seem to.

(Disclaimer: Alexis is by far my favorite! She is so freaking cute.)

Anonymous said...

More than anything else I'd be most concerned about having a burglar alarm in that house now that the whole world knows your 4 year old little girl sleeps in the basement alone!

But again what difference does it make that 'the whole world knows'? There are probably millions of homes in the US where children sleep alone in first floor bedrooms. These 1st floor rooms are very easy to access from the outside, much more so than a basement room. But I don't recall any concern over children sleeping alone in 1st floor bedrooms. If someone is hell bent on harming/stealing a child, he/she could easily choose any one story house and chances are he/she will find a child alone in a bedroom. But we certainly wont call CPS because a child is alone in a 1st story bedroom.

Julie411 said...

I didn't know the basement was a walk out so I stand corrected about my worries that the basement was a fire trap. Like I said, it was my guess, not an accusation or meant to be presented as a fact. Thanks for the info on the doors. I'm relieved.

Anonymous said...

Their basemant is not a walk-out.

hellokitty said...

In reference to Alexis sleeping in the basement & favoritism: In an episode they showed Leah & Hannah in their parents bed,and Kate mentioned that those two like to come in their bed. Also, Leah's page on the G's site says "I like to sneak downstairs at night to cuddle with mommy and daddy. It's super fun!"

I think a lot of people share the point of view that the Gosselin's accept certain behaviors from some of their children, while other's are 'punished' for it.

(I know that Leah didn't really write that, it was just an example.)

Anonymous said...

Twinner said...
Crossover Alert:

I was reading a Say Yes to the Dress forum and someone posted a link to a future show.

October 10: Say Yes to the Dress
It's Always Something
TV-G

Shopping for a wedding dress is a challenge, especially for Kate Gosselin from TLC's "Jon & Kate Plus 8," who wants a dress for her renewal ceremony. But after Kate falls in love with two gowns, managers must convince a designer to turn 2 dresses into one

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=2.14966.55906.34776.x&start=10

I will add this to my list of reasons why I no longer watch TLC.

Anonymous said...

so when the sextuplets are let's say in third grade, and their classmates discover their videos on youtube, and humiliate them with their bathroom scenes, is that worth all the money or fame?

evileye said...

Alexis is fearless and far more independent. I think that's why Kate may feel less favoritism to the little girl. Kate has also said Alexis does not care what clothing she wears. Because Kate cares so much about their appearances, perhaps she can not relate? I definitely see that Kate favors Hannah then Leah,I thought it was very telling when Alexis hit told Hannah not to touch her buddy Aaden and then hit her. Not that I'm condoning hitting, but I like Alexis's spunk. I also think that Hannah will become the new "Mady" of the group, she already knows how to manipulate the group and her mom. I mean c'mon what 2 year old folds clothes? A 2 year old who understands that her mother is obsessed with laundry. Alexis, I think hits and acts out because she hasn't been properly disciplined and socialized with others her age.

Anonymous said...

RN here, yes I think many of Kate's reactions and verbal assaults are outside the guidelines of acceptable, adult behavior. I believe that getting Jon to recognize and accept this fact are intergal to Kate getting help. She cannot do it alone as she does not recognize that her behaviors are a problem. That's the biggest difficulty with treating m.h. issues. People who have brains that function differently are almost blinded to their problems because their brains do not have the chemicals to process in the typical A+B=C fashion.


So many red flags here that it just saddens me for what I can see will probably happen to those kids before they're adults. As my husband told be one day when we were still viewers, "take away the cameras and that was the house I grew up in." It's not pretty and the damage is life altering for many...my husband's family had 7 kids...3 who still have an active relationship with their 90 year old, bedridden, facility living parents.

The G. parents need to get help, mend family discord, and stop this circus.

Anonymous said...

Someone just posted this article on the Woman's Day Magazine coment section. This is yet another church that got the cancelled by the gosselins due to money.


Posted by anonymous 14 hours and 20 minutes ago
Church Member

I just received a phone call from a friend who told me to look at the article that Woman's Day is publishing.

You see? I am a member of a church that had scheduled to have the Gosselins come and speak. This event had been scheduled for a long time. Right before the event, our events coordinator received an email from the Gosselin's PR representative telling her that they could not keep their commitment to our parishioners because of family demands. There was much disapointment. However, the disappointment turned to outright disbelief when we learned that the Gosselin's reneged because of the money they wanted. We are reminded every Sunday not to question the faith that the Gosselins claim, nor question our own faith in people. We are reminded to pray for the Gosselins and find forgiveness. We are also reminded not to contribute to the greed that engulfs this couple.

It is just a slap in God's face to portray this woman as a hero.

ThreeFarmers said...

Wow, it's 1:30 a.m. here in middle America and I just tried to read Penn Mommy's blog and it is gone.

She didn't say anything about possibly ending her blog, but I do know that she's been under tremendous stress lately.

I certainly hope no one other than Penn Mommy had it deleted.

Sad. Where's the first amendment when you need it?

Suzanne said...

IIRC, the constant lights and filming of The Real World Seattle was what drove one of the cast members, Irene McGee, to leave the show. She said she never could rest, the heat and buzzing of the lights exacerbated a health issue.

Now, whether that is the real reason for her departure is up for debate, but other cast members concurred that the house was constantly lit up (hmm, sounds like filming at the Gosselins, doesn't it?) and this made it hard to sleep.

The cast members on RW are all over the age of 18 and CHOOSE to be in that sort of environment, the Gosselin children do not. I wonder what that's doing for their emotional health?

Anonymous said...

Looks like someone got Penn Mommy's blog removed, don't want the truth getting out there. I'm sure all of the Gosselin defenders at certain blogs will be so happy.

Anonymous said...

PennMommy's blog is gone. At least that's what it says when I click on the link in the sidebar. I hope she's ok.

michelle said...

so, kate did not even have to pay for her dress?

I'm sure they did not pay for the trip of ten to the island. Or pay for everything related to the ceremony.

Nope, six little paychecks paid for it all (via the show)

Anonymous said...

I also just went to PennMommy's blog. When I found that it had disappeared; all I could think of was that she was being attacked.
Hope she is OK.

Anonymous said...

I miss Penn Mommy! I hope her and her son are okay. I wonder if she left because she veered away from the original intent of the blog? I'm thinking with the leak of the CPS issue, she may have started thinking twice about everything. She seems, just from reading, like a genuine and caring woman and not the type to drag anybody through the mud. Can I be selfish for one teeny, tiny moment? Penn Mommy please post somewhere and at least tell us goodbye.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

Penn Mommy emailed me last night, and said that her son is having some serious complications. I can only imagine the amount of extra stress the blog was causing her. If she didn't have to keep moderating comments, I'm sure it wouldn't have been as much of an issue, but that just wasn't an option. Her focus needs to be with her family, and I don't blame her for not wanting to deal with it anymore.

Please keep her family in your thoughts and prayers!

I just love the kids..... said...

Well they have finally done it!! PennMommy's blog showed a title "done" in my blog dashboard. When I clicked on it to it to read it after seeing the first few lines of her stating she started this blog to make people aware and not to fight(words to that effect). The blog has been removed.
I want to say thank you to PM for trying to do the right thing by the Gosselin children. I am sorry there are such jerks and troublemakers and people with nothing to do but be argumentative in cyberspace. PM you did the right thing by those kids. I hope it has made an impact on the right people and that they can help the kids. I also wish your son a speedy recovery!!!!

Hats off to pm your wonderful blog will be missed!!!

IMHO said...

PennMommy's son has taken a turn for the worse. I received an e-mail time stamped 2 am - she can no longer keep up with moderating. Everyone - please pray for her and her son!! 3F - I emailed you.

Anonymous said...

I hope PennMommy is alright too! I'm guessing she is the one who took it offline, because it just says the blog has been removed, but the name is not available. If it was deleted, then the name would be available for someone else to use. She is probably needing a break from all the bickering that was going on the past 2 days over there!

Anonymous said...

Looks like someone got Penn Mommy's blog removed, don't want the truth getting out there. I'm sure all of the Gosselin defenders at certain blogs will be so happy.

9/27/2008 11:44 PM

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I'm guessing she removed it herself. I have been reading so much negative stuff about Jon and Kate Gosselin on the internet the past couple months. To have all the negative stuff about them removed would be impossible. There always seems to be someone "new" writing up accounts of them. The truth is impossible to hide forever.

Anonymous said...

Pennmommy's blog is still there:

http://www.blogger.com/profile/10601292995249844546

She probably just has it on private.

hellokitty said...

Pennmommy's blog

Last night, at around 9 central I was able to read it. Her last entry stated that it was true that she had called CPS, as had others that she knew personally. She would not say why she called.

But, she also said something about when family's are on television it is common for viewers to call and sometimes those reports get jumbled up.

She gave no indication though that she was going to stop blogging.

I have realized though that she seemed a tad stressed in her last couple entries. I think that its possible that she removed the blog herself.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Their basemant is not a walk-out.

9/27/2008 8:48 PM

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I can't remember if it was when they showed Jon on that exercise machine or in another episode, but I did see an outside door in the unfinished part of the basement when one of them was in there being filmed...

Ravello said...

I wonder if the real reason the KONS are moving to North Carolina is to get away from PA CPS monitoring.
I wonder if the friends and family members we used to see on the show are now banished because they advocated for the kids. When normal discussions failed to change behavior. reports were made to CPS.

I am disgusted to hear the KONS shop for a custom made frock on Say Yes to the Dress. Yesterday's rerun showed a bratty bride who ordered a custom made 29 K frock, then when it came in she didnt like it anymore. Poor baby. Then she found another pricey dress but had it completely remade to her liking.

The poor sales consultant and manager who had to work with the KONS, yuk.

This show is wretched excess and has nothing to do with reality based living.
The KONS do not even have jobs and they experience one fabulous freebie event after another.

Anonymous said...

Penny Mommy whats up???? Please let us know you are ok!

Anonymous said...

Looks like someone got Penn Mommy's blog removed, don't want the truth getting out there. I'm sure all of the Gosselin defenders at certain blogs will be so happy.

There could be several reasons why the blog is gone. Perhaps it could be related to her son's illness? Let's not jump to conclusions and accuse people of things.

Anonymous said...

According to my blog reader, Penn Mommy's last post was entitled gone and the tone of the post looked like she was very frustrated, so I think she deleted her blog herself. I think it is a shame because I would like to have finished hearing what she had to share.

Hopefully now some people will leave her alone and she can concentrate on her son's recovery.

anabandana said...

PennMommy had posted a new topic last night about 9 pm. In it she stated that she was surprised at herself for revealing that CPS had been called several times on several occasions and seemed to imply that she was tired and under a lot of stress and that it just came out.
I have a feeling that her stating that has somehow resulted in the shutting down of her blog.

I really hope that she and her son are alright. She seems like a classy lady who has only the well-being of the Gosselin children in mind.

Any mods have any info. as to what happened?

Anonymous said...

"PennMommy's blog is gone. At least that's what it says when I click on the link in the sidebar. I hope she's ok."

I was just reading it last night! (Sat.) She mentioned that her son continued to have health problems and that leaving the blog unmoderated for a few days had caused inappropriate comments/questions. Perhaps she took it down until she has more time to moderate? I wish her and her son the best.

Anonymous said...

3F--The first amendment only applies where the government is infringing on your right to speak (which is not absolute). I doubt the government took off the blog.

Anonymous said...

I am sad to see Penn Mommy's blog is gone. I hope and pray that PennSon is continuing to make progress in his recovery and I wish PennMommy and her family the very best.

Saint said...

To Penn Mommy:

I hope all is well with your son. You are in our prayers, still.

Jamie said...

This was originally supposed to be a blog post I sent in about 2 weeks ago. I really want to hear some feedback on these thoughts. It was never posted so here ya go...

I recently started watching this show because I seen a lot of negative publicity about it. All this negative publicity is attracting more viewers. I never even heard of this show until about 3-4 months ago and they are on the 4th season. Im guessing they have more people watching now then ever. I think some things needed to be taken into consideration on what is happening now. There is only a small amount of people that read the "hate Jon & Kate" message boards or read the tabloids. I don't think we are getting through to the amount of people needed to successfully get this show off the air. This show brings in ratings. I actually did some research myself and J&K is #10 in the list of shows with the most product placement for Jan-June 08 according to the Nielsen rating system. Sadly this show is getting a lot more positive reactions in the media then negative. (Oprah,Morning talk shows, last months Entertainment Weekly gave the show a B+,among other magazines like Good Housekeeping and Ladies Home Journal) This is one of TLC's highest rated shows...Which is why its on so often. The amount of people that are blind to the message boards and tabloids or even the show itself is astronomical.Juciy Juice and V-tech don't care if the thousand people (at best) boycott their products. They have so many more people that are willing to continue to buy their stuff. From the time it takes to shoot an episode to the time it air is about 2 months for this show. With all the negative publicity that has been going on for the past year you would think these places and products would not want to be associated with this show. I feel kind of guilty for contributing to these negative comments because we are just giving them ideas for damage control. I just honestly don't know what to do...


Yeah you would think these companies would not want to have anything to do with this show. The problem is that this blog can not be taking seriously these are too many really hateful comments flooding this site. Along with what poeple write to the companies.You must be professional.

I agree on the botcotting companies too. That will get us no where unless we can do some real damage (i.e. getting hundreds of thousands of people)

and its sad that they are in the top 10 in most product placement. It goes to show that there are still enough viewers watching to get companies to want to be on their show.

Anonymous said...

ThreeFarmers said...

Wow, it's 1:30 a.m. here in middle America and I just tried to read Penn Mommy's blog and it is gone.

She didn't say anything about possibly ending her blog, but I do know that she's been under tremendous stress lately.

I certainly hope no one other than Penn Mommy had it deleted.

Sad. Where's the first amendment when you need it?


I strongly suspect the nasty comment about PM's son near death while she gossiped about the gosselins had a lot to do with the blog disappearing. Although I'm sure KON is/are extremely pleased and would probably take credit for it closing

No Disrespect said...

I hope PennMommy (and her son) are okay... I wish her the best.

Anonymous said...

Writing the sponsors and boycotting the products on the show hasn't seemed to help at all. Especially, since I have only received a few responses. Even the Regis and Kelly show didn't write me back.
The only way to go is to write in masses to the government agencies. Start petitions and stand in front of grocery stores to get a bill put on the ballot. There are no laws governing the amount of time children can work on Reality TV, this has to stop. The petition would be to get a bill on the ballot to at least investigate it.
I wish I had the know how and the time to do this. I know if I stood in front of my local mega market, I could get 1000 signatures in one weekend. If many of us were willing to do this, it would make the appropriate agencies sit up and take notice.
We need someone with the right expertise to write the petition so that it can be presented to the appropriate source that can take it further. Perhaps, Paul Peterson?
If someone were to write the verbage and find out what forms we need, I am sure there are many of us that will stand in front of the market and acquire the appropriate signatures needed.
There are many articulate, intelligent posters on here that could make a real difference in the lives of the Gosselin Children before it is WAY too late!

Anonymous said...

It's funny that someone brought up Irene from Real World Seattle. I couldn't STAND her, much the same way I can't STAND Kate. They are/were both lying, drama queens.

I dislike Kate more and more with every episode. I actually defended her somewhat (not on a message board or anything, just in converstaions) way back when. Now I really think she is one of the most self-centered people I have ever encountered.

Terry said...

If the Gosselin kids show any kind of psychological damage in the future, I hope the people who are now involved with the filming are around to see what they have done.

Anonymous said...

The Gosselin's will be appearing on Regis and Kelly I believe next friday. Please everyone contact the show

Lana said...

This was posted by Penn Mommy just before she closed her blog.

The post was titled "Done"

Done
by Penn Mommy
I didn't start this blog as a public blog. Anyone who read my first four posts knows that. I am tired of having my words twisted and misconstrued by people who WANT to be pissed off.

But, they are right. This isn't the right way to do this. I got frustrated and said something I regret talking about...not because it was the wrong thing to do, but because I got goaded into talking about it by someone who has about, by my count, thirteen identities. I do not like the manner in which I communicate with some of you. And, I realize that it doesn't matter what the truth is or how much/how little information I give. There will always be someone to find fault with it. I've been, in one thread, accused of giving too much information AND teasing people by remaining vague and protective of personal details. My husband and son asked me to stop keeping this blog. I think they're right.

kelly said...

OH MY GOD!! I can't believe this. I was clipping my coupons this morning and guess who i see. Kate gosselin family saving tips in my coupon section. This woman is everywhere and it makes me really, really sick. Family Saving Tips??? Are they for real. People need to stop having her give tips on anything. WHAT A FAKE!! Yeah, IMO, she saves money, by having TLC pay for everything. I am so disgusted.

Anonymous said...

I have stopped watching J&K altogether, but can't seem to get away from them. I opened my Sunday paper this morning and sought out the coupon section as I do every Sunday, and find that there is a whole coupon section from Proctor and Gamble...YEAH!! They make some of my favorite products... Crest, Swiffer, Pantene, Cover Girl, Cascade...But wait, along with these coveted coupons I find a section called "family savings tips...BY KATE GOSSELIN"
Are you kidding me??? She should be looking for some "family saving tips" on how to get her f-ed up life back in order. Guess I have to look for a new toothpaste, floor cleaner, shampoo...etc...etc..

quietlyconcerned said...

"On a recent episode, Kate mentioned Alexis verbalizing "being nervous". That is very worrisome to me, Alexis is only 4 years old. My sister and I compared notes and our kids did not discussed anxiety at such a tender age."

That alarmed me too. That is definitely a sign of stress. And there are other signs--the tantrums, Joel's constant under the breath whining, Alexis's screaming, the hitting, the detachment (you see it more in the boys--it is called dissociation).

If CPS were called, it might have been because of those concerns.

I would like to say, perhaps CPS should put a worker there--but that really isn't fair to the other needy children of Pennsylvania, is it?

Terry said...

My Sunday newspapers coupon section has an item from Jon & Kate -- Family Savings Tips from Kate Gosselin. They are everywhere now. I was disappointed to learn that they will be on Regis & Kelly this Friday.

I feel for the people that are trying to bring to light the charade that is Jon & Kate. Penn Mommy tried and her blog is now deleted. Maybe there is no problem with the show, but if there is, I wish those people that are getting the truth out the best of luck.

quietlyconcerned said...

"More than anything else I'd be most concerned about having a burglar alarm in that house now that the whole world knows your 4 year old little girl sleeps in the basement alone!

But again what difference does it make that 'the whole world knows'?"

Sure, lots of kids sleep on a separate floor. But their constant life is not televised to millions of people, some of whom merely think they are cute, and some, unfertunately, may have a more prurient interest.

Anonymous said...

PennMommy, I pray your son gets well soon. God bless you and your family.

Travis Noodle said...

Bummer! I enjoyed PennMommy's blog. I hope it comes back soon!

Judy said...

Julie~ If you talk to her will you please let her know we are all praying for her son. Also, do you know if there's anything we can do to help her?
I feel so helpless :(

I just love the kids..... said...

I just sent a message to Regis and Kelly about having J&K on their show. I am sure I don't matter but maybe if others do it nicely it might. Besides, I feel better to at least try on behalf of the G children!!!!

hellokitty said...

I just sent a quick email to Regis & Kelly. I hope they reconsider having Jon & Kate on their show. Maybe if they get enough complaints, they will.

Anonymous said...

would like to say, perhaps CPS should put a worker there--but that really isn't fair to the other needy children of Pennsylvania, is it?

Why wouldn't that be fair? If ( and a big IF), the Gosselin kids are needy then aren't they as entitled to help like any other needy kid? I don't understand your logic here.

Anonymous said...

I beleive the old house had a walk out basement. They showed it in the first special when Kate was explaining the endless tasks that she had to do while the babies slept.


I would love to read nanny Jenny or producer Jens book when this is all over. Of course they probably have non-disclosure and confidentiality agreements up the whazoo.

Anonymous said...

The fact that Child Protective Services has been called and responded many times for many reasons on the G's may explain their fleeing the area in which they live. The jig may be completely up there with people who gave of their money, time and services not all that pleased anymore about what they were conned out of and for whom. I see Kate G. as a hitter. She has no control over her emotions, we can see that on the show, and it is clear at least to me that she should never have had kids at all. There is no telling what is done when the cameras are not rolling.

Anonymous said...

Did anybody watch on Friday afternoons episode when they went to see Thomas the train? I thought it was pretty funny how Kate talked about how crowded the place was and then the next shot you see is the 10 of them riding in a train car of their own. Then they get off the train and there is an ibcredibly long line of people waiting for a ride. I would love to hear from somebody that was there that day!

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, can someone please tell me what exactly is wrong with Pennmommy's son? My prayers are with her. Thank you.

sammysam said...

I am so sorry PennMommy is having to go through this time with her son. It's so odd that I had become so invested in her through her blog. I feel like she is my friend and I ache for her.
Please know that not only are my prayers with you, but I will continue to do whatever I can to get this show off the air.
I know I'm weird. ;-) But I care.

Ravello said...

Thanks to the sharp people who noted the ridiculous reference P&G made to Kate Gosselins pinching pennies. I just found it and it is repulsive. Apparently she is now a spokesperson for them.

I just sent an email to Proctor and Gamble throgh their web site. ProctorandGamble.com. go all the way to the bottom of the home page and click contact us. I suggested they research Kate and all the controversy before doing business with her.

I also email'd Gelman at Live with Regis and Kelly from their home page. The contact us link is under Help.

PenMommy, I am praying for your son's recovery, take care of yourself and your family.

stick a fork in them said...

Kate Gosselin forgot to include some of her best family saving tips from the P&G coupon savere..

-pimp out sextuplet children on reality tv
-fake poverty in order to get freebies
-sell/consign everything that's not nailed down. Especially quality children clothing that was donated to your kids.
-insist local government support your family.

Off to write my letter informing P&G that their marketing department dropped the ball on this one.

sugarjay said...

I'll miss PennMommy's blog. I can understand why she'd want to take it down though.
Can someone fill me in on when she ever said CPS was called? I missed that completely

Anonymous said...

ANON asked: I'm sorry, can someone please tell me what exactly is wrong with Pennmommy's son? My prayers are with her. Thank you.
________
He had a ruptured appendix and he did not realize it. He was admitted to the hospital and was in and out of the ICU because the infection had gotten out of control. Last we heard he had been moved out of the ICU and was doing OK (I think this was the most recent update).

Anonymous said...

If CPS were called, it might have been because of those concerns.

I would like to say, perhaps CPS should put a worker there--but that really isn't fair to the other needy children of Pennsylvania, is it?

I would have called CPS when I found out she was locking the children in their bedrooms for their "naps." That is illegal for a parent to lock a child in a room in almost every state. I'm sure the case worker told her so but I'm sure she went back to locking them end once her observation period was over. Her neglect of them in the morning would have been another call because talking to Kate is like talking to a frigging wall. She'd never listen and accept the advice she'd just make sure you never got near the house again. So what can you do but call CPS to tell her things that if she had half an ounce of common sense or compassion she'd know as wrong, bad and ill advised. Sure that's a crazy way to let a mom know she's endangering the children but when the particular mom in question is in permanent denial that any thing they do is wrong sometimes you just have to do every thing the hard, long way to get their attention and get the children's safety back.
And it's again why for the love of all that is holy why the reality TV laws need changing. Every state needs laws that insist any filling that involves minors MUST have a social services professional on site during filming. Every minute of the time production is there a child advocate must be there too, period, end of discussion. This show is getting the majority of the focus due to the non stop nature of filming and shows but personally it's my desire for all "reality" shows to be under the same conditions as I really don't believe that a lot of those swap wives, nanny saves the day and so forth are done with the children's best interest either.

Anonymous said...

"There is NO WAY IN HELL I would put one of my kids in the basement without an appropriate fire escape route."

That's what worried me about the twins, how would someone know to go through a closet to look for them. I guess their moving soon, if not already, so they'll probably have their own rooms, but I wonder what is going to happen when the show ends, if they'll still be able to afford the bills on the new house?

ThreeFarmers said...

3F--The first amendment only applies where the government is infringing on your right to speak (which is not absolute). I doubt the government took off the blog.


I didn't say that the Gov't took off the blog. I know all about the 1st amendment and simply said that because it became increasingly difficult for Penn Mommy to speak freely. When her blog initially disappeared, I was concerned that someone may have had it removed. Now, I know that wasn't the case.

Yes, I have a bit of an education and am certified to teach History and Social Studies k-12. It was an off-handed comment and not intended to be taken literally.

Anonymous said...

Yay! You're back! whoo hooo!

hellokitty said...

It works!

starstruckmommy said...

GWOP is back online!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I do not understand the concern over Alexis in the basement. Unless there is no egress window as someone else mentioned. Why is it any different from her having her own room upstairs? The basement is finished nicely, it is as clean as the rest of the house. She is no further away from her parents than if she were on the 2nd floor"


I've said this before and I'll say it again--the fact that she is singled out for her "bad" behavior and separated from her siblings, let alone her 2 other sextuplet sister in their own room(!) is cruel in itself. Add to the fact that she lets Leah and Hannah sleep in her bed with her, forced Alexis to even sleep with the sitter in NC because "Hannah and Leah" are used to sharing a room with just the two of them like at home anyway. What child with many siblings who sleep in one area do you know who would enjoy sleeping on a basement couch? THey want to feel part of a group! Not isolated! They treat her as if she is an outsider. I notice this all the time. Kate's treatment of her especially is just not inclusive. And the twins are always throwing in comments about how Hannah and Leah are their favorites. Alexis is never said to be anyone's favorite anything. As for the poster who said she saw no examples of Alexis being treated differently, it's time to watch one of those rerun marathons and really pay attention! I feel so sorry of that little girl : (

Anonymous said...

As a tribute to Pennmommy and all that she has done for the Gosselin family. We should work harder on getting our message out there about getting As a tribute to Pennmommy and all that the laws on the books agains child exploitation. This woman gave unselfishly 15,000.00 to this greedy couple. No questions ask. I think Kate is pure evil. Rarely do you see this kind of evil glorified on national tv for all to see. This show needs to be cancelled immediately. I will never see Kate the same after this. I dont even care if they hire the best PR Firm in Hollywood. Lets work to get some laws on the books.

Ruthe said...

" I didn't know Juicy Juice was organic??? Oh wait maybe Kate doesn't really give the kids the juice she just shows it on TV for all of us that watch TV to see it and buy it. "

I bought Juicy Juice when my son was a baby and continued to buy it for quite a few years.

That being said, I would NEVER have given it to him full-strength, straight from the bottle. That stuff may be one of the best products out there, but it was waaay too sweet and sugary for a small child. I cut it at least by half with bottled water before it touched his lips.

J&K are going to have HUGE dental bills in their future if they keep that up.

Anonymous said...

To PP,
Yes, it bothers me too how Alexis has been separated from her sisters on several occasions: in the beach house, on the day the twins went for their modeling appt, when J/K went out of town, Alexis stayed with the boys at Beth's and H/L stayed with another sitter, and the basement bedroom. Kate just likes to control everything and everyone. She thinks she is the master of the universe and if she says it's so, it is indeed so...she's just so unhealthy, distorted and cruel. Imho, Alexis and Leah are actually more alike. They are witty, engaging and interesting to watch. Kate has certainly affected Hannah's confidence level as she appears so dependent on others(especially J/K). Quite frankly, Kate's behaviors and dysfunctions(quirks, limitations) have affected all the kids in one way or another. She truly needs to get help, jmho. Jon are you there? Get your wife the help she needs. The behavior is affecting your family.

Anonymous said...

I didn't want to post this under the latest news about Jason as I don't want to take the focus away from well wishes.

I've been a lurker and rare comment-poster for a couple months now. When the show first started, I enjoyed the kids, thought Jon wasn't as un-likeable as Kate and felt sorry for the way he was treated by her, and could.not.stand.Kate.

Right off, I could not stand her harping, her snarking, the comments, the tone of her comments, etc. It was an automatic, gut reaction to Kate, her personality, and what I could make of her character. I think I in particular had that reaction, because like so many people, I have known someone like Kate. This person was a "best-friend". Surprise, surprise - they turned out to not be the best people. A user and abuser.

Funny enough, my very first reaction and impression was that I did not like that person - if only I had listened to my instincts. I had the *exact* same reaction to KG - if only I had listened to my instincts.

I think b/c of the kiddies I grew to overcome my unease with KG, appreciated the moments of genuine banter between Jon and Kate (not the put-downs -- which both are guilty of though Kate takes the Stanley Cup for checking Jon into the boards), and even appreciated their moments of non-abusive sarcasm.

I myself am a fan of sarcasm. It is a tool, though, to be wielded with great care and responsibility - take it too far and *awkward turtle* ensues.

However, I still couldn't shake my unease and thus took to the world wide web. The rest is history. I will not say I believe everything counter-Gosselin owing to a lack of context but on the whole: I get it. Jon and Kate have made this bed for themselves. I can't say I agree or disagree with the advocacy angle. I understand why it is a focus but me.myself.and I just are not that invested in it.

I prefer to sit back and read on. From my pov the Gosselins are ensuring themselves a momentary Utopia. What's so wrong with that? - Utopia doesn't, and can't, exist. They will find in coming years that they were Captain Ahab in search of the ferocious-white whale of fame and fortune and these blogs will serve the role of Ishmael.

Unfortunately, another person in this sphere was viewed as that white-whale and just as ferociously tracked, cursed, and cornered for a final showdown and that was PennMommy.

Not even Herman Melville himself could put pen to paper and adequately describe the disgusting rants that occurred on a particular-'other'-site.

If memory serves correctly there was actually one post from a Jen/jen (?) [perhaps a fiona alias?] that wanted photographic proof of PennMommy's existence and, if I read correctly, of her son's existence. In all honesty it seemed to me this person's implication was they wanted to *see* proof of that poor soul in a hospital bed.

Illness of this degree is no joking matter - if you don't think its real, then kindly remove yourself from any discussion and debate and for the sake of appearing to be a good-hearted person, let it alone!

I have not agreed with all the points and comments made on GWoP - some have been a little too extreme for me, but I'm fairly middle-of-the-road on this issue, so let's say I'm a member of the Independent Party on this debate.

BUT, I could tell from PennMommy's blog that she was genuine, only trying to relay her feelings on the situation. Why? Because she never for once doubted that Jon and Kate love their children, that she had never seen them happier than when they had the twins; that, through poor-decision making they have proceeded down a path which will be difficult to return from as much as they have been changed by it and for it.

I am re-hashing this after reading the posted reply from William on blog.psychic-wisdom.net. I feel so horrible that PM and family were disrespected and just wanted to re-iterate that PM meant well, did well, and has many well-wishers.

Anonymous said...

I did not see PM's last post about CPS but I have been reading what has been said here...I am gonna just throw this out there, it is what I thought of after I heard.

1)Jon quits his job and starts working from home for Bob (Beth's husband). Could this be because CPS was called and they did not want the kids home alone with Kate?

2)Jon now all of a sudden no longer works for Bob, he has "his own business" (whatever ya want to call it). Could he have quit working for Bob cos Beth got fed up with the way Kate was treating the kids?

Not saying that I don't think Jon is lazy, we all know he is but it is kinda strange he would quit the first job, then quit the one with Bob to start some business in the closet. What do you think?

Anonymous said...

Off to write my letter informing P&G that their marketing department dropped the ball on this one."

I did and so far all I got back was 'thanks for your comments. I have forwarded this to the appropriate person"

Anonymous said...

Anon 0945,

I truly believe that Kate's behavior makes it next to impossible for Jon to hold a job. If what has been posted and shown is correct, Kate has not managed the household alone since the twin's arrival. Kate needed Jon at the hospital when she was an inpatient;for entertainment and attention, I'm guessing. In one episode, Kate was shown calling Jon at work to speak with crying kids. How many times did she makes calls like that? Have you ever made call to your spouse at work to talk to crying toddlers? Imho, Kate does not have the proper coping mechanisms to manage a household with many, small, needy children. Kate's behavior indicates that SHE is small and needy. Look at all the activities Kate does not do: mornings(what mom doesn't do mornings?), doesn't drive hither..., doesn't wash dishes/empty dishwasher, play, gas the car, complete laundry chores, bathe/dress children, empty potties, deal well with sick kids, deal with male children(or Alexis), deal with tantrums and on and on. Jon can not have a job because there's no functioning adult at home to deal with 8 kids and a household. These 2 parents are the least self-aware people that I've ever seen.

Anonymous said...

Something I forgot in my previous post. Let's all remember that J/K Gosselin chose this existence. They did not find 8 children on their doorstep one morning. They actively chose to produce these children...if K. couldn't handle 2 kids alone, how did she ever think that she could handle 8? If I possessed(and professed) all the limitations that Kate Gosselin exhibits and states that she has, I would have remained childless.

Anonymous said...

It is sooo obvious why Kate wants to isolate Alexis. Kate dotes on Hannah and on an equal playing field, this would create jealousy among the tups. If Alexis and Leah were allowed to bond, I don't doubt that Hannie would be left behind, as she already seems to have developed an attitude of superiority (not her fault.. purely due to Kate) and in order for her favorite (hannie) to have an ally amongst the tups, she has nurtured the Hannah/Leah relationship and made Alexis the odd man out. She acts like Hannah and Leah are so fond of each other, but imo it is pure circumstance, they are always being put together!

Why does alexis get banished to the basement during nap time as well as at night? According to Kate, Hannah and Leah only "nap" approx 5 to 10% of the time and usually they play with each other in their room. This is allowed as long as they play quietly. We have seen footage of this (they don't exactly play quietly but they do seem to have a rollicking good time). Since there isnt much napping going on, why is Alexis separated from them then, despite the fact that she has a bed in the room?

I firmly believe Alexis has learned to go to the basement by rule not by choice. I highly doubt she is such a disruptive sleeper. That is pure BS, KON style. I do know that when you put girls in a room together you get instant closeness and bonding. In boarding school, my roommate was my best friend. Coincidence? I think not. I formed a "special closeness" with my college roommate as well.

I wonder if Alexis agreed to sleep in the basement because Kate lets her watch TV down there by herself. Kate has said that "alexis lives in the tv" (of course she also claimed she doesnt let them watch tv, but that is another discrepancy aka LIE) TV is highly addictive, especially for kids. Alexis probably has a TV addiction, thanks to Kate. And Hannah and Leah have a special bond, also thanks to Kate the Great Overlord of her house playing mind games and power games wtih little babies and toddlers. For shame.

Now Leah and Hannah give Alexis attitude when she goes into their room.. "this isnt you're room lexie!" they say. Then Kate steps in. secretly pleased and says it is her room, she can clean it up. But not sleep there. Or hang out during the non nap time.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1132,

I totally agree. And can you believe some people still defend this dysfunctional,cruel behavior?

hiasmus said...

I don't know where else to post this. When the blog was closed for a couple of days recently, I read on another one (had to get my fix, even if I prefer this blog by far) that there is a "secret message board" for this blog. I notice that it couldn't be too secret because posts from that time were copied and pasted here. Could someone please let me know if there is a way for me to be contacted should this happen again. Thank you!

iluveeyore said...

When this blog was closed, we opened another blog: gosselinwithoutpity. (No s after Gosselin.)

That is the board that has now been copied over here.

Ravello said...

My heart goes out to PennMommy, Jason and the entire family. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

I just read the newest letter from William posted on Julie's board. I cried reading it. PM is generous in spirit and deed and was treated horribly by so many people. It is reprehensible that she is harassed during this time of crisis.

Someone posted this and I totally agree
"As a tribute to Pennmommy and all that she has done for the Gosselin family. We should work harder on getting our message out there about getting As a tribute to Pennmommy and all that the laws on the books agains child exploitation".

God Bless you PennMommy

Ravello said...

I want to thank the moderators of GWOP for all the hard work while this blog was down. They immediately activated a backup site and apparently worked with technical people over several days to fix the glitch.
The moderators are unpaid and work hours and hours on this site.
KUDOS to all.

Anonymous said...

I truly believe that Kate's behavior makes it next to impossible for Jon to hold a job.....


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You are spot on. Apparently, in many of their speaking engagements, one of them, if not both of them, mention "I would never leave you", which I find rather odd. I truly think that Kate CANNOT cope with day-to-day happenings and is truly petrified of being alone with the kids.

Anonymous said...

Now Leah and Hannah give Alexis attitude when she goes into their room.. "this isnt you're room lexie!" they say. Then Kate steps in. secretly pleased and says it is her room, she can clean it up. But not sleep there. Or hang out during the non nap time."

All of this makes me so sad. I hate what they are doing to that little girl. It's also obvious to me that they are purposely isolating her. It's really hard to hear people say, "what is so wrong with Alexis sleeping in the basement?" Um, everything! Because of the closeness the others are forming without her! Kids want to feel they are a part of things, not an outsider. Who cares HOW "nice" the basement is?! That is not the point. Makes me wonder if the people asking this question ever had kids.

Anonymous said...

I e-mailed Proctor & Gamble after seeing the "money saving tips by Kate Gosselin" in last Sunday's newspaper coupon section.

I told them how degrading it is, in this economy, with so many people financially struggling, to see KON's smiling millionaire unemployed faces "sharing" their "tips" with us. Gag.

I received an e-mail reply today from P&G. Here is the text:

"""Thanks for sharing your comments with us.

We appreciate your feedback, and I'm sharing your message with the appropriate people in our Company.

Thanks again for taking the time to write.

Nancy
P&G Team """

Well, how lovely that reply is. I wonder who the "appropriate people" in the company are. I'll translate the reply for you: they don't care the Gosselin kids are being pimped out and have no intention to change anything.

More coupon inserts, here they come!

hellokitty said...

I wrote an email to Regis & Kelly (though I'm sure it's an interns job to read them). I tried to keep it short and I focused on Paul Peterson's involvement. I never got a response back

Ravello said...

I did not get a response from Regis and kelly either. Its a go for Friday, I wonder if it is live or taped.
Lots of the Friday shows are pre taped, I will be able to tell based on the host chat. I think Mark is cohosting.

Looks like the Gosselins have no problem taking 8 kids out of school for 1 or 2 days, the little cash cows need to work. The heck with learning.

I got the same canned response from Proctor and Gamble. I have gotten responses from almost everyone I've written to this past year about the KONS. Almost all companies read the mail, log the mail comments and someone with authority generally reads a summary. I got one or 2 personalized responses including Juicy Juice and Johnson and Johnson.

I think I will write a follow up note to Regis and Kelly, I'm sure the interview will be very soft and they will be plugging their book. I will ask why the hard questions were not asked.

Ravello said...

I did not get a response from Regis and kelly either. Its a go for Friday, I wonder if it is live or taped.
Lots of the Friday shows are pre taped, I will be able to tell based on the host chat. I think Mark is cohosting.

Looks like the Gosselins have no problem taking 8 kids out of school for 1 or 2 days, the little cash cows need to work. The heck with learning.

I got the same canned response from Proctor and Gamble. I have gotten responses from almost everyone I've written to this past year about the KONS. Almost all companies read the mail, log the mail comments and someone with authority generally reads a summary. I got one or 2 personalized responses including Juicy Juice and Johnson and Johnson.

I think I will write a follow up note to Regis and Kelly, I'm sure the interview will be very soft and they will be plugging their book. I will ask why the hard questions were not asked.

Anonymous said...

"I truly think that Kate CANNOT cope with day-to-day happenings and is truly petrified of being alone with the kids."

IMO, It became very obvious as the tups got older that Kate, even with the assistance of helpers, did not have the capacity within herself to tend to the basic needs her children. Even the day to day happenings involving the children, 'melt downs', not sharing, crying, etc.. she appears to lack the necessary maternal coping skills to manage the situation at hand.

CrazyCatLady said...

I thought I was the only one who was annoyed by Kate's constant correcting/sniping at Jon...until I happened upon GWoP! Ye gads, but there are a lot of like-minded folks out there in the ether!

I still watch the show, mostly to catch the spin-doctoring that's taking place now that PR is involved. I do wonder how many more seasons the Gosselins will be able to sustain...I've just about reached my limit, because really, how many more hours of hitting, screaming, and whining (and I'm not just talking about the kids) can a body endure?

4tolove said...

This week's people arrived in the mail box today. They completely ruined what would have been a wonderful tribute to Paul Newman by including a 6 page spread featuring Dumb and Dumber and those beautiful children. Poor choice People. I'll be curious to see if the print one of the many negative letters they are bound to receive. Remember to be civil:)

4tolove said...

PS I forgot to mention....the People article states Jon's occupation as a "Network Engineer" . I don't know what that is but if I were one I would be really mad!

ThreeFarmers said...

PS I forgot to mention....the People article states Jon's occupation as a "Network Engineer" . I don't know what that is but if I were one I would be really mad!

Jon networks folding the laundry with making Kate's coffee, making the beds, dressing and bathing the children, and gassing up the vehicles.

It's a massively great feat of engineering.

4tolove said...

haha you're so funny threefarmers--if I knew who you were you would be my friend!

Anonymous said...

The people article also says that Kate works out seventy five mintues a day to stay thin....what a hard knocks life for her.

Anonymous said...

I read on another board that the October 20th episode is supposed to be about Kate making soup. Imagine that! America's favorite mom showing us how to cook soup. Absolutely amazing! Well, guess it will go with our whole grain sandwiches. How did we ever make it before we had Supermom to guide us through our lives?

Anonymous said...

Okay, I was looking online for the Gosselin/People mag. article ( I will go the bookstore to see it, but NOT buy it!! ) I couldnt find anything about that, but I did run across a few other things to pass along. Anyways, you all will love her latest recipe from lil'sugar.com ( they must add a new one every day? thats kinda what it sounded like ) Ok- the new gotta try sandwich is ...drumroll please..... Peanut Butter and Banana!!! But hers is different, you cut it in tri-angles! She stole that one straight from Elvis!! No shame!! Okay then I found article highlights from Cookie Magazine, she did an interview there where she admits to her once a month spa trip (she wishes it was weekly) and they ask her what do you think of in the middle of the night? "I think how i miss my kids, and how I wish I had endless hours with each one." PUH- LEASE!!!! So anyway, there are no comments online at Cookie yet. It will be interesting to see what their readers have to say about her!!!

ThreeFarmers said...

I read on another board that the October 20th episode is supposed to be about Kate making soup. Imagine that! America's favorite mom showing us how to cook soup. Absolutely amazing! Well, guess it will go with our whole grain sandwiches. How did we ever make it before we had Supermom to guide us through our lives?


And on the next episode of Kooking with Kate, she'll show us how to open a package of whole grain organic crackers.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10/02 1121,

I totally agree. IMHO, K.'s lack of maternal coping skills (as shown) coupled with her stated limitations (things she doesn't do) make her ineligible to be a stay at home parent and homemaker. Kate could certainly get a job outside the fortress to support this family. Jon could manage the kids, their activities and the household. Besides,he does it all now. K. might be happier if she was out of the cage, so to speak. Plus, from what's been shown, Jon has more child-centered priorities than Kate. He sees the bigger picture where the kids are concerned, it's just that controlling Kate is always there telling him what to do and how to do it. Somebody needs to find that big busybody something to do that takes her out of that house and away from her family...everyone would be happier, and household would function better,IMHO.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know why Kate turned to fertility treatments so early in her marriage? The twins were born shortly after their first anniversary so they didn't spend a lot of time "trying to have a baby" so they could determine there was a problem. Friends of mine tried on their own for over a year before the doctor even suggested to them that they look into fetility treatments. Were there health issues ahead of time so that Kate knew she would not be able to conceive by natural means?

Anonymous said...

Three Farmers- The show should be called "Krookin' With Kate"!!
I was watching the epi today where they tried to hire a housecleaner, I think the last time I saw it I still had the wool pulled over my eyes, but watching these early episodes they were just as crazy then as they are now. And has anybody noticed how much the two of them have aged since the first season? I dont think that is normal. Maybe it is from all that squinting they have to do with the production lights!!!