Dude Ranch and Dress Up Recap

Saddle up partners, and prepare for a rough ride. I decided to do this recap so that Dude Ranches and the good people who run them were not slandered by this episode. It doesn’t look very promising when Kate begins her couch monologue/commentary wearing a low crowned pink cowboy hat that looks like it cost $2.00 from a tourist shop catering to children. However, things weren't as bad as they seemed. continue

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Anonymous said...

winsomeone said...

If you google "dude ranches in PA", you will find that PA has numerous very nice ones listed. Also, the scenery in parts of the state are breath taking. Wonder why they had to go all of the way to Wyoming to ride horses? Just a single mother trying to cope though...NOT!!!

The reason is simple. It's so much more impressive for her to say (and for the boys to be able to say) "We were at a ranch in WYOMING" than it is to say that they rode horses in Pennsylvania. It's all about flaunting where you've been. It's the "culturing," you understand!

Ohio Buckeye said...

Connie said, "I would suggest that any legitimate job, business opportunity, or career path that doesn't exploit the children is acceptable. And then as soon as I typed this I laughed because, outside of stopping the exploitation, who are we to tell Jon OR Kate Gosselin what type of job they should get and what is or is not acceptable. .. once this show is off the air and the kids are no longer in the public view, should we still involve ourselves in their lives.

So, who are we to say what Jon OR Kate should or should not do other than give their children back their private lives. "
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Connie, your point is valid - I have to agree with you on that one: so long as J&K get jobs that do not exploit their kids, it's really none of our business. I just wish they'd KEEP it THEIR business, as I'm really tired of hearing them and about them.

As far as their mistakes being their own and should remain private: that, too, is true. The problem is that Jon and K8 made (and CONTINUE to MAKE) the decision to share their most personal and private lives (including their problems) PUBLIC. They chose and are continuing to choose to do this.

Personally, my fondest wish is for BOTH of them to disappear into oblivion. If I never saw either one of them again (esp K8), it'd be too soon.

It's not as if we are knocking down their mansion door demanding info about their personal life. Truth is, it is us who have a hard time ESCAPING Jon & K8 - you can' t go to the grocery without seeing one or the other of them on the cover a mag, telling their version of the story. You can barely find a block of time on tv where they are either on in episodes or reruns, being advertised for upcoming episodes, or being made fun of by various other programs.

My main 2 point are: 1)since they both complain so bitterly about their life under a public microscope, it makes zero sense for either of them to continue seeking even more time in the spotlight. If they don't like the reality of being D List 'celebrities' (although I don't believe for one second K8 doesn't want/NEED this constant attention), THEY can CHOOSE other ways to earn a living. Yes, even in this tough economy - many others right now are facing a need to find a job (due to layoffs) and do NOT have the fat TLC check keeping them afloat in the interim - it is THESE common folk who get my vote and my sympathy.


Second point is regarding income vs. lifestyle. WHO SAYS they need to continue this "Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous" thing they now having going on? If Nsg and IT work isn't their cup of tea, that's fine, but there ARE other ways to support your family IF you are willing to return to and maintain a more modest/normal lifestyle than the acred mansion, expensive vacas, cars, motorcycles, wardrobes, plastic surgery, constant trips to the tanning salon and spa.

Again, I do not hold Jon in nearly the low esteem I hold K8. But on the issue of whining about this life they THEY are choosing, I wish they'd either DEAL with the realities of their choice or seek other alternatives. They have one side of each side of the fence, and, personally, I am tired of them expecting everyone to feel sorry for them. JMO.











What? said

Had a thought said...

For "yeaisaidthat" and Connie, yes, it is sad if Jon needs to put on an act to look like the better parent. But what do you think Kate is doing? Everything she can to help him look bad. My point is that he needs to impress the judge with who he really is or he will lose big time. And then it won't matter if the children "understand" or not. They have no say. Do you really think the Jon we have seen lately is the real Jon? I meant that he needs someone to show his true colors. Otherwise Kate will slaughter him.

Sassypaws said...

winsomeone said...

If you google "dude ranches in PA", you will find that PA has numerous very nice ones listed. Also, the scenery in parts of the state are breath taking. Wonder why they had to go all of the way to Wyoming to ride horses? Just a single mother trying to cope though...NOT!!


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Or none of the PA Dude ranches would offer a free stay.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Re: Civil Engrs vs. IT - who makes more $$$. Perhaps it depends upon several factors, including locale.

I know for a fact where I live some in IT (little or no college degree but lots of various certifications) people make a higher salary than some Civil Engineers.

Don't know why this is so. Not saying it's fair. Not saying it's so for everyone everywhere, but it IS so for some - I know from personal experience. For those for whom it's currently not so, I'm genuinely sorry to hear it and I hope the IT market improves soon where you are. These really are tough economic times for most of us.

As for Jon, it matters not to me what he does jobwise except I hope to see "J&K+8" go away. IT or something completely different - personally I don't care, it's not my problem to have to fix, thank god.

Just sayin' that if he really hates life in the spotlight as much as he has said, kinda a lapse in logic to continue seeking venues like "Divorced Dads" 'reality' programming.

And if it's financial security for his 8 kids he's hoping for, seems unlikely he'll find that in the places he's currently looking. As another poster pointed out earlier, fame is typically fleeting. Better to seek something with more long term stability, as the 8 kids are not even teens yet, so the financial road ahead is a long one.

And, finally, WHY don't either of Jon or K8 ever even consider redesigning their lifestyle to cut expenses to make raising 8 kids more manageable? Just like too many of us regular people are doing right this very minute in this economy?

From K8 grocery shopping with calculator & coupons in hand, proudly announcing she doesn't buy milk 'unless it's on sale' to the rebranded K8 TLC is pitching us these days. Ridiculously ridiculous.

Susan said...

Today's rerun is the Harlem Globetrotters and Kate is ORANGE. Even her palms. I didn't notice this before. Does she think it looks good? The kids are sitting around the table doing a project with the new babysitter (not shown)...Kate says they will never have a nanny and she leaves to go get her hair cut. Good-bye, she says. I'm going to get my hair cut. No response from the kids and it was quiet in the room when she said it.

Jon says he is taking care of his mother because she broke her leg and her husband went away. Her husband went away? Does he mean her husband is out of town or that he left her? Jeesh, no wonder the boys don't speak better. It's so obvious seeing them on the couch together that they were already broken up at that time.

Kate says she loves to shop now and Jon says "finally". Then, Kate tells the producer that they should do a show about her taste before and now. That would be a great show, she says. She is so full of herself.

OrangeFace said...

I've decided that Kate just can't help but have nervous ticks when she talks. First it was the ear-fondling. Then it was the "um um um um ummmmm um um ummmmmmm" And now she laughs after just about everything she says.

I wonder if she gives the boys Ritalin sometimes. They seem so subdued during interviews and photo shoots. Literally zoned out. Little boys shouldn't act that way.

When ratings drop even lower, I am sure that they will have a dramatic "rekindling" episode where J&K come back together in the name of their 8 blessings. I'd be more inclined to watch an episode about Kate breaking a nail or Jon getting a mole removed.

Just kidding.

Connie said...

Ohio Buckeye said...
Personally, my fondest wish is for BOTH of them to disappear into oblivion. If I never saw either one of them again (esp K8), it'd be too soon.
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:) You and me both!! And I agree with you that, even though it's not up to us, they would probably both be better off staying away from the limelight. My guess is eventually Jon will because I just don't think it's his style but Katie Irene is determined to be a super star if it takes her last breath. However, since she is her own worst enemy it probably won't be long before people are saying, Kate who? Once they're done using her she's going to get dropped like a hot potato. Just my guess...

pressured cooker said...

winsomeone said...

If you google "dude ranches in PA", you will find that PA has numerous very nice ones listed. Also, the scenery in parts of the state are breath taking. Wonder why they had to go all of the way to Wyoming to ride horses? Just a single mother trying to cope though...NOT!!

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I'm wondering if they travel for shows because PA really is investigating how much time these children spend with the cameras. Perhaps they need to film outside of the state to get enough footage without setting off any alarms.

Connie said...

Had a thought said...
For "yeaisaidthat" and Connie, yes, it is sad if Jon needs to put on an act to look like the better parent. But what do you think Kate is doing? Everything she can to help him look bad. My point is that he needs to impress the judge with who he really is or he will lose big time. And then it won't matter if the children "understand" or not. They have no say. Do you really think the Jon we have seen lately is the real Jon? I meant that he needs someone to show his true colors. Otherwise Kate will slaughter him.
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As far as impressing the judge, absolutely 100% agree. The life he's going to have with his children will be decided by the judge.

I think the Jon we've seen lately is the real Jon that has been abused for the past ten years and has bent over so far backwards to try and please this woman that he's temporarily forgotten who the real Jon is. In other words, there's nothing fake about what he's going through, but it's going to take him a bit of time to get back to who he was. His life WAS Kate's life for a long time. Now he gets to have one of his own.

And as far as Kate trying to make Jon look bad in front of the judge...my experience has been, judges have seen it all and they can see through a lot. Definitely Jon needs to put his best foot forward and document, document, document! (that part shouldn't be too hard :). Jon knows just what happened in that home and I'm guessing it was a whole lot worse than what the cameras allowed us to see. If I was Kate, I'd be a little worried myself. And lastly, it wouldn't hurt for Jon to bring in a psychologist expert in spousal abuse to testify in his behalf. I'm in no way a lawyer, or legal advisor. Far from it. It's just my opinion after having spent many hours in a courtroom.

Ohio Buckeye said...

OrangeFace said...
"I've decided that Kate just can't help but have nervous ticks when she talks. First it was the ear-fondling. Then it was the "um um um um ummmmm um um ummmmmmm" And now she laughs after just about everything she says."
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Amen, Orange Face, and THIS is the woman who is reportedly interested in pursuing a position as STAR/host of a talk show??!!

She has several issues working against her on this aspiration: first and foremost, to many people, K8 comes across as certifiably emotionally off balance. (We could and would empathize with her for her obvious emtional issues if only we saw her to ANYONE some shred of compassion or kindness or patience or....)

Second, the woman has nothing of value or interest intellectually to offer. "Ummmm...ummm..uh..." - seriously, WHO wants to tune into that?? And unless she is interviewing HERSELF, who but K8 would ever get in an uninterrupted and/or criticized word????

Third, she is inarticulate at best, and her only creative leaning seems to be restructuring the english language. She seems to think her manufacture of new words ('dustilies'?? Seriously? A grown woman comes up with this? Give me a break) is cute and endearing. As with most else, she is wrong.

Finally, her laugh, like her language, is manufactured. Like her apparent emotional construct, her laugh is contrived and structured, controlled, shallow. In a word: fake.

Yeah, K8: Talk Show STAR/host. That'll work. You GO, girl.

Pamela Jaye said...

I have not yet read the recap.

I watched the ep.
It was incredibly boring.
And Kate pretending to like the "icky" boys was nauseating.

Perhaps someone should sign Mady up for acting or singing class. She seems to like performing (when it's her choice)

PJ in MA said...

Melissa said...

This is the first episode I have actually seen in ages. My nine year old loves to watch it and while I have long since removed it from our DVR schedule, she stumbled upon it. I could not help it...like someone said, a bad train wreck.

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The only thing that makes me feel decent about my daughter watching it was that she totally "gets" it. I can honestly say without any prodding from me she wanted to know why it was okay to film for the show but she did not want any other cameras around. I had to chuckle.

9/02/2009 6:40 AM
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Melissa,

Kudos to your young daughter for "getting" it. Sadly, far too many adults do not...

Anonymous said...

pressured cooker said...

"I'm wondering if they travel for shows because PA really is investigating how much time these children spend with the cameras. Perhaps they need to film outside of the state to get enough footage without setting off any alarms."

Good thought, except that TLC must have documentation as to where and when the filming was done. If PA issues a subpoena, it would have to be turned over. In addition, I would think that they should be careful in what state they are doing the filming. CA, for example, has strict laws, as do other states. Child labor law watchers would in all of the states should be on top of this, requesting that their state keep track of how many hours of filming has been done there.

Pamela Jaye said...

I wonder how truthful Kate was about never riding a horse. I know she lead a very "sheltered childhood" Where her parents didn't let her go anywhere or do anything but she was never on a ponyride or went to a carnival or a county fair to ride a horse

I didn't ride a horse till I was 26. And that horse, having been ridden all day by others, didn't want to do anything but rear up and go back to the stable.
Did Kate say anything about her sore inner thighs the next day?

As for poop, I have a pet duck and belong to a duck group. We talk about poop a lot.

goawayfools said...

Ohio Buckeye: I cannot STAND it when Kate interviews herself! "Was I tough on Jon? Sure I was, you've got the footage, but blah blah blah blechhhhhh.....". I always wondered if the person off camera she is supposedly answering these questions to actually asked her the questions or if she just does this to control how the questioning goes. Either way, I'm tempted to smack her with a wooden spoon when she does that.

Susan said...

When ratings drop even lower, I am sure that they will have a dramatic "rekindling" episode where J&K come back together in the name of their 8 blessings. I'd be more inclined to watch an episode about Kate breaking a nail or Jon getting a mole removed.
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I'm betting you're right. When the ratings drop TLC will try something with big drama and a rekindling sounds about right. K & J will be so scared of the lost income they will agree to anything.

Safe is as safe does said...

What I noticed in this episode were all the times that Kate put her boys in harms way.

Heads up for the WRITERS and PRODUCERS.....

STEAL THIS INFO! It just might save one of the kids from a terrible injury or worse - Hey, PRODUCTION STAFF, you guys better watch out for those kids - their "mother" (cough, cough, big roll of the eyes) doesn't know how.

Here's the list (no particular order)

1. Riding horses without helmets. I cannot believe the ranch actually allowed this. If I were their insurer, I'd up their premiums for this alone.

2. Kate shrieking around the horses. Scared horses tend to bolt and step on things in their way, including kids. The horse doesn't mean to in a viscious way, but horses ARE animals which must be respected at all times.

3. Throwing things around the horses.

4. Some of the boys looked like they walked BEHIND the horses where they could have gotten kicked.

5. Riding ATVs without helmets.

6. Riding ATVs TOO FAST.

7. Letting 5 year olds steer the ATVs (no, Kate didn't have a single hand on the handlebars sometimes - oh! but if she did that, she'd have to risk putting her hands over her boy's hands and they would be - ewww - touching - gasp!). News flash: Quads tip over too - when you cut a hairpin at high enough speed. DUH.

8. Chicken claws are choking hazards - especially for kids who aren't used to much more than yougurt, grapes, apple slices and crackers.

9. Throwing eggs - refer to multiple posts about eye injuries.

10. Leaving your kids with TOTAL STRANGERS in a strange environment while you go shoot guns and flirt with a ranch hand (disguise flirting as riding a hack horse). I don't care if "the crew" were there. If they were my kids, I'd never leave them alone in a strange place with strange people.

Please note these are episode-specific risks, which are in addition to the myriad of psychological harms stemming from exploiting your children on tv.

Memories? What a joke. said...

I was happy to see Kate making so many memories with her boys. HAH! What mother would leave her kids alone like that to go shoot a gun or ride a horse? And you KNOW she was at the spa at least once or twice, even though we didn't see it. I have a few words for that behaior - selfish, self-serving, uncaring, cold. Kate is just plain rotten, in my opinion.

cheryl said...

Gosh, just who is going to pay them
$10,000 a hour???
After degrading the good Dr's kitchen, that hospital would never
ever rehire k;
the IT job - $15 hr most??
Maybe a refund is available for the
half dozen cars - with coupon of course.

Anonymous said...

Safe said:

"10. Leaving your kids with TOTAL STRANGERS in a strange environment while you go shoot guns and flirt with a ranch hand (disguise flirting as riding a hack horse). I don't care if "the crew" were there. If they were my kids, I'd never leave them alone in a strange place with strange people."

I wouldn't either. Never in a million years. But wasn't Steve there? Could he have been with the boys?

Ohio Buckeye said...

goawayfools said...
" I cannot STAND it when Kate interviews herself! "Was I tough on Jon? Sure I was, you've got the footage, but blah blah blah blechhhhhh.....". I always wondered if the person off camera she is supposedly answering these questions to actually asked her the questions or if she just does this to control how the questioning goes. Either way, I'm tempted to smack her with a wooden spoon when she does that."
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omg, GoAwayFools, I'm LOL at your comment!!!

You are so RIGHT! I remember those self interviews, too!!! I'd sit there and think, "WTH??? Who is she talking to??"

My personal fave of this insanity was her, Q: "Have I been tough on Jon?" A: "Yes. You've seen it. You have it on tape." Q: "Have I ever regretted it?" A: "I've always regretted it" Whuuuut? Then why did you continue treating him like last week's garbage? The woman is a trip.

Can't you just picture the promos for K8's new talk show: "And tonight on the K8's Great show, K8 discusses with herself what she thinks about global warming, organic pancakes, and explains how she once demonstrated her considerable multitasking skills by simultaneously using organic peanut butter to remove chewed gum from a stuffed animal, while reaming her sister-inlaw on the phone AND destroying her little boy's self esteem"!

I just hope when she's promoted to STAR/host, that she treats us all once again to another viewing of her wearing that pink cowboy hat and boots. Priceless.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Cheryl said, "Gosh, just who is going to pay them
$10,000 a hour???
After degrading the good Dr's kitchen, that hospital would never
ever rehire k;
the IT job - $15 hr most??
Maybe a refund is available for the
half dozen cars - with coupon of course."
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HA! Thanks for the laugh!!

And if the divorce judge has an ounce of compassion within, he'll give Jon a REFUND for 'returning' K8 and commute Jon's life sentence for 'time served' in K8's Coupon Hell.

Interviews herself said...

goawayfools, boy were you on the money. Its something we've noticed for years, but couldn't put our finger on it. You got it right...Kate interview HERSELF, and she does it constantly, even when on TV interviews. She thinks its cool, or that she sounds intelligent, but all she sounds like is a fool, because NO ONE speaks that way.

fidosmommy said...

I'd be more inclined to watch an episode about Kate breaking a nail or Jon getting a mole removed.

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Gee, thanks for giving them ideas for upcoming episodes.

;-)

bobo said...

If ratings drop to a point they can't profit, expect "rekindling" episode to save the show. It will happen. I won't watch. It's gross and low.

They signed the paper already. The divorce will be finalized in few weeks. Who is going to believe Jon will go back to the abuse? You can tell he is so nervous when Kate is around. The abuse has a serious effect on him mentally.

transporter said...

I am pretty sure paps are hired by Kate's camp. How did pap follow her to all the stores successfully but they can't follow her and find out where she goes when Jon takes his shift? Duh.

That's the most secretive thing, where does she go? We know where Jon goes. If paps are really not working for TLC, how can they not find out? It's not like they are following The Transporter and The Transporter lost them. Kate is driving a slow bulky SUV, not a race car.

LOL! They really think we are idiots.

Susan said...

My personal fave of this insanity was her, Q: "Have I been tough on Jon?" A: "Yes. You've seen it. You have it on tape." Q: "Have I ever regretted it?" A: "I've always regretted it" Whuuuut? Then why did you continue treating him like last week's garbage? The woman is a trip.
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I'm thinking that she meant that she regretted that it was on tape,lol. But I know what you mean. She says things that don't make sense all the time and they just slip by. Like her excuses for being grouchy upon seeing her newly remodeled kitchen...I was exhausted, the last two weeks were stressful ... huh? the last two weeks you were at the beach and spoke of being so relaxed. She's used exhausted, beyond exhausted, stressed, so many times I don't think she even hears it anymore.

branding said...

TLC, you are stupid. You can't market "Jon and Kate" like how they market Paris Hilton by using tabloids and media circus. It's ruining the show.

They have entirely different target audience. Paris Hilton's audiences are teens. They check out whoever has scandals and interesting wardrobe.

"Jon and Kate" audiences are mature women. They have life experience. Certain things offend them. They don't condone bad behaviors. You can give Kate brand new wardrobe and nails, it won't buy the viewers' hearts. The viewers see those clowns/fake parents right through. They can't bypass horrible conduct which will effect the 8 little kids not in a good way.

Tami said...

And no way little ones should be getting cavities with regular dental cleanings, fluoride toothpaste, etc. Unless they are bathing their mouths in sugar all the time. Or organic fluff
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Plus, my kids also get their molars sealed as part of our insurance plan. Don't the Gosselin kids? Or if they do, they REALLY should not be getting cavities! I will let my kids drink juice sometimes. It's usually apple juice and still cut with water. They don't drink it every day though. It's pretty bad that she gets cases of the stuff and keeps getting it. One case would last forever around here. Guess when things are free Greedy Kate feels she has to consume it like it'll be gone tomorrow. It just might!

Tami said...

It's not realistic for him to get another IT job like the one he had. Job market is bad right now. He might not get it even if he were not that Jon on TV. The salary of an IT job can be difficult to raise 8 children without the TLC show. He knows the show might end soon due to many reasons: kids getting older, audience mad at their divorce. So he is looking into products and new showbiz gigs. He wants to get new business and gigs started before "Jon and Kate plus 8" ends.

Don't you guys always want Jon to get a job? He is trying.

I love my kids but it was very hard for me to just play with my kids when I was trying to get a job. My mind was everywhere, worrying.
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Yes, I have thought about Jon getting a real job. I have no illusions Kate ever would. But I don't think he necessarily has to cash in on the reality show stuff. He could get a regular job like any other person would. Of course it is not ideal with 8 kids to raise, but that is the chance they took with their fertility treatment roulette. Others manage even if they chose to have 8 and it was not an "accident". It would take a huge change of life, of course. He would sell all the cars, etc, and invest the money. Maybe that is a plan of his? Buy a bunch of junk on TLC's dime and then he could sell it and try to make an investment in his future. Hate would make more money, but she is only earning it off the backs of her kids. If Jon took it to court and chose to challenge whether they stay on tv (assuming he wanted them off) and then footage came out over the years showing HIM as primary caretaker, he would have a chance even with a lower salary. Maybe he could even get child and spousal support from Hate. Bottom line, yes, I want him to get a real job and not try to do all this stupid publicity stuff like hosting parties in Vegas. Yuck. And a fad like a clothing line from 15 minutes of fame reality stars would really last how long??

mel said...

Is it true the ratings are declining rapidly each week? I hate to say it but that won't be good for the kids. I am sure they will get the blame.

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Kate has no one to blame but herself. Her mean attitude, her trashy new clothes, her voice, her negativity...you name it.

Curious said...

Do we think Kate should be looking for a job as well? Go back to nursing? Not much has been said about that lately.

While I think Kate should absolutely get a job that does not entail the exploitation of her children, I really hope she does not go back to nursing.

Frankly, the thought of Kate as a nurse scares the hell out of me. People in the hospital have enough to worry about without having to fear Nursezilla is going to be giving them care.

I have, unfortunately, had to spend a fair amount of times in hospitals over the course of my life and I have been lucky to have mostly very good, kind, caring nurses.

However, there have been a couple times when I had people that should never have been nurses in the first place. They bordered on cruel and I suspect this is the category that Kate would fall into.

I had one, that seemed to take great delight in trying to humiliate me when things that were beyond my control would happen (trying not to be too graphic here).

I could see Kate doing something like that and it was really an unpleasant experience.

I had that particular nurse almost 20 years ago and I still remember her far more clearly than most of the nurses I have had.

I'm not sure why Kate would become a nurse in the first place. It's not exactly a profession for someone that doesn't like messes.

Ms.Peach said...

pressurecooker said....
I'm wondering if they travel for shows because PA really is investigating how much time these children spend with the cameras. Perhaps they need to film outside of the state to get enough footage without setting off any alarms.
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I do believe that. No way to document how many hours are spent filming when out of state. Also, they have run out of ideas, so now it's the travelling gaggle of Gosselin moneymakers.

I hope PA can go after them for the past years of filming.

AnneMaire said...

Do you ever stop and just wonder about the amount of money they spend? I find myself thinking about that in my own household every once in a while, and I don't have a big tv network footing the bill for some of it.
Just think of the little things.
$20 a month on laundy soap/softener
==$240 a year
$40 a month on MY haircut = $480
$12 a month on milk=.......
you get the idea. I just know how fast a wisely spent paycheck can go here on the little things.

now what about their house? I'm sure anything related directly to the show is footed by TLC, the trips, the food on days they SHOOT, the body guard......

but what about the other stuff? that all has to come out of the kids money.

How many motorcylcles are there? Cars? The house, the utilities, the NOT the nannies, the chief, the clothes (I'm convinced she's a compulsive show off shopper.), the spa trips, nail salon, haircuts, the apartment in NYC, the condo, ....

It really starts to add up quickly. Heck, then there are taxes on that show income.

I really don't see much being banked.

And NO, I'm not forgetting the book money or speaking money.

Sad.

She'll never work said...

If Kate even attempted to get a "normal" job, it would never last. She'd be so much more obnoxious in the work place that it would become a toxic place to work. She would not be a team player, she'd be a know it all, and demanding. Plus, she'd try to boss everyone around. Nope, I can't see her being gainfully employed, as it takes to much effort on her part to be a good employee and she sees those people as beneath her.

Maude said...

winsomeone said :
If you were taking three five year olds a thousand miles away to a ranch, wouldn't you tell them the difference between a horse and cow before you left...

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I had this very thought when I saw the part on YouTube when she said cattle is a bunch of cows.

Whenever we went on vacation I went online or got books to show my kids what we'd be doing and seeing. When we went to Chicago I went to the museum websites. We go to the beach every two years. The first time we went I got books on seashells and waterbirds. Its fun to prepare them and watch them get excited and learn something new.

stopthemadness,
I LOVE that you used the work "brook" instead of "tolerate" in one of your posts. I just had the conversation with my husband that we stopped using great words like beseech, implore, and brook. Instead we have Kate-isms like "trompled", and "obsessiveish".

Sorry, got off topic there, but I thought it was cool.

PaMa said...

The fact that one of the boys, while at the ranch, didn't seem to recognize the difference between a horse and a cow would indicate to me that he's had little exposure to children's books. Don't many, many kiddie books start with the basics, like different animals and the noises they make; i.e., the cow goes "moooo" and the sheep goes "baaaa"?

There are women who want to be like Kate said...

I found this post on another site:

Those sunglasses are hot. I ordered a pair from s4optics.com last month. My friend just told me that she tried to order the KAte Gosselin sunglasses but they have sold out. She says you have to be on a waiting list now because they run out so fast.

If this is true then there will be many other sources of income in their future. I personally cannot see either of them willingly changing their lifestyle and going back to a 9 to 5 job. They just love love love their lifestyle of the rich and famous and I can't see Kate going from 5 star hotels to motel 6.

Mae said...

I don't think anyone has mentioned this...

But the clothes they played dress up with all the TAGS ON THEM. they were from target.
So what? the nanny went to target with a credit card and bought a crap ton of junk of the girls to play with... wasteful

LovingMom said...

"The goal this year is to take each child or a few children at a time on a trip."

The goal in my family is to try to save enough to take the whole family on a single short trip ONCE in the year.

Does TLC not understand how this sort of entitlement, out-of-touch mentality plays in Peoria? No wonder the number of viewers is plummeting.

And that's before we get to Kate's dramatic eye-darting on the couch, her ridiculous cowboy accent and her selfish pursuit of her own entertainment while the boys are tended by staffers.

Disgusting.

UGH said...

I also believe that the paps are working for TLC as well as it being the networks idea for the public to take sides. I've seen posts stating that they believe some network people are posting pro-Kate posts but I believe they post pro and con. It's about keeping the taking sides fight alive and heated ! They don't care if you love or hate the show as long as you feel deeply one way or another.

Susan said...

The fact that one of the boys, while at the ranch, didn't seem to recognize the difference between a horse and a cow would indicate to me that he's had little exposure to children's books. Don't many, many kiddie books start with the basics, like different animals and the noises they make; i.e., the cow goes "moooo" and the sheep goes "baaaa"?
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With all due respect I think this is getting blown out of proportion. I believe they knew it was a horse but the first remark was about how the horse had cow colorings. Then, Collin said "that's because it's a cow-horse". Then they started calling it a cow-horse. Hi cow-horse. We live under the sea (or something like that). I believe they were just using their imagination.

If we focus on little things that may even be just a misunderstanding then it takes away legitimacy from the important issues.

ihatethisshow said...

LovingMom said...

"The goal this year is to take each child or a few children at a time on a trip."

The goal in my family is to try to save enough to take the whole family on a single short trip ONCE in the year.

Does TLC not understand how this sort of entitlement, out-of-touch mentality plays in Peoria? No wonder the number of viewers is plummeting.

And that's before we get to Kate's dramatic eye-darting on the couch, her ridiculous cowboy accent and her selfish pursuit of her own entertainment while the boys are tended by staffers.

Disgusting.

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my goal this year is to continue to juggle bills with a paycheck that has been cut in half, and still be able to feed my kids. i have a large family, the oldest 22, the twins 10, and a few in between, and we have NEVER had a vacation. EVER.
we are just trying to figure out how to pay for everyday things.
cosmetic surgery? laughable. going to the doctor? some other bill gets pushed back a week..going to the spa ? (never have, probably never will)...getting my hair done? (i cut my own hair to save money)...
oh yea, TLC, I can really relate to your 'everyday mom'.
we may not have money in the bank, but at least i am not the national joke.

Natalie said...

I think it's very obvious to everyone here that Kate has proven herself to be a self-absorbed, entitled, rude brat. When she goes on these free ride trips she is painfully ungrateful.

I also think it's obvious she considers herself to be some sort of celebrity. So, she probably considers her presence to be thanks enough to the people that do so much for her. I don't doubt that most celebrities in such situation act just the same.

The only difference is they HIDE what they do. And they have smart PR teams in place to spin any accusations of such rude behaviour. Kate on the other hand parades her horrible attitude for all to see on HER OWN "reality" show!

What a moron!

stopthemadness said...

brand said
TLC, you are stupid. You can't market "Jon and Kate" like how they market Paris Hilton by using tabloids and media circus. It's ruining the show.

They have entirely different target audience. Paris Hilton's audiences are teens. They check out whoever has scandals and interesting wardrobe.

"Jon and Kate" audiences are mature women. They have life experience. Certain things offend them. They don't condone bad behaviors. You can give Kate brand new wardrobe and nails, it won't buy the viewers' hearts. The viewers see those clowns/fake parents right through. They can't bypass horrible conduct which will effect the 8 little kids not in a good way.

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What an excellent point and why would TLC not know this? If you make the assertion that Kate is only famous for being famous that begs a comparison to the other person we've always said that about: Paris Hilton. (Of course she is an heiress to the huge Hilton hotel fortune, is gorgeous, a clothes horse who looks good in the clothes she's almost wearing, unlike Kate, etc so that helps).

But I at age 47 have zero interest in Paris Hilton other than a desire to throw a blanket over her when I see her in some of these shots and to wonder what her mother must have thought when the video "A Night in Paris" came out. Her "fans" are whoever they are - certainly not a shared fan base with Kate Gosselin. Yet the PR is behaving the same. Can it be that Kate hired the PR and is directing them and she simply doesn't know better? I think TLC knows their audience better than this - this feels like runaway train Kate in charge. We know she's a "Caller" and phones the paps so they can get photos of her and that would explain why she is dressed to the nines to go to Kinko. She has nowhere important to go but she will wear a new dress and heels for this errand lol.She is the one giving interviews when she said she'd be quiet. I think she is scared the show will end as the ratings drop and is doing what she knows how to do, which ain't much, to get attention, and probably not having TLC handlers tell her what to do - I am sure by now some canny PR person has whispered into her ear that TLC is there for TLC and Kate needs her OWN people and of course if she's paying them, she would want to drive the bus. As you cannot tell her anything, I would imagine she's directing this PR fiasco...

PaMa said...

Mae said...
But the clothes they played dress up with all the TAGS ON THEM. they were from target.
So what? the nanny went to target with a credit card and bought a crap ton of junk of the girls to play with... wasteful
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The clothes were probably purchased by production assistants and paid for by TLC as a business expense.

Susan said...

From the very beginning I noticed a certain attitude in Kate. It's our life (not yours)... I want us to be close. JUST US 10 (nobody else)... when everyone else leaves, goes away, we have each other.

These are some comments she made (except the parenthesis) implying that she considered anyone and everyone outside of their ten to be outsiders. Even family. Even those who faithfully helped every week doing her "grunt" work. Imagine ironing for such a large family? Then, getting a plate of cookies as a thank you which I'm sure that TLC made them do after reading some comments.

I believe that this attitude comes from not wanting anyone to benefit in any way except them. She wishes and hopes that the kids will not need anyone else than each other. It is not necessarily good for them to never play with other kids but I can see Kate really pulling in that direction.

Another way that the show is bad for the kids is that Kate does not trust anybody's motives and she has mentioned this several times. You can feel her want/need to not have an extended family. Even in the beginning when they really needed people to help and there were people lined up waiting to help them... she wanted the help but she really resented the people/person being there... and it would be insult to injury if that person/people received any compensation for their work. Even in the beginning you could see little notes left everywhere in the house telling helpers what to do and how to do it and YET.. at the same time she painted a picture that they had to do it all by themselves and that's why she was always exhausted....ahhrrgggh! In reality, there was help in every way including financially. Of course she made it sound the opposite thinking that would the goodies and contributions flowing in. I believe she would still be asking for love donations at churches if she could get away with it.

INPR said...

There are women who want to be like Kate said...
I found this post on another site:
Those sunglasses are hot. I ordered a pair from s4optics.com last month. My friend just told me that she tried to order the KAte Gosselin sunglasses but they have sold out. She says you have to be on a waiting list now because they run out so fast.


The above is a plant by the company to direct people to their web site. I will bet you dollars to donuts that if you go to that site the sunglasses will mysteriously be available or will be available in a very short time. Just someone else trying to make money off their 15 minutes of fame.

Confused said...

PaMa said...
The fact that one of the boys, while at the ranch, didn't seem to recognize the difference between a horse and a cow would indicate to me that he's had little exposure to children's books. Don't many, many kiddie books start with the basics, like different animals and the noises they make; i.e., the cow goes "moooo" and the sheep goes "baaaa"?

Wasn't Aaden the tup who used to read the animal book and could identify every animal? Isn't he the one they said would work with animals? I'm confused on how he does not recognize cows & horses now.

Anonymous said...

"But the clothes they played dress up with all the TAGS ON THEM. they were from target.
So what? the nanny went to target with a credit card and bought a crap ton of junk of the girls to play with... wasteful"

So they purchase the items, keep the tags on them, wear them in the shoot, and then return them for a refund?

goawyJandK said...

Jon and Kate" audiences are mature women.

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Stopthemadness and brand:

Unfortunately, there is a large (but hopefully shrinking) demographic of women that adore and idolize Kate. They are moms, sisters, aunts, grandmas, neices, etc and they LOVE her and defend her every move. Just look at K8's BFF's site - all crazy sheeple with blinders on. Sick.

goawayJandK said...

The fact that one of the boys, while at the ranch, didn't seem to recognize the difference between a horse and a cow would indicate to me that he's had little exposure to children's books. Don't many, many kiddie books start with the basics, like different animals and the noises they make; i.e., the cow goes "moooo" and the sheep goes "baaaa"?


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A FIVE year old doesn't know the difference between a cow and horse?

I think I remember other comments about one of the boy tups not knowing the difference between 2 veggies (corn and eggplant ?). I don't watch , can't watch anymore, so I am going by what I read here.

stopthemadness said...

When little boys (or girls) get really interested in a topic they tend to know more about it than their parents or anyone else. For those of us who have had boys or girls interested in dinosaurs, I'm sure you can confirm that. My 3 year old was obsessed with them and knew the names of all of them, names I could barely pronounce, parasaurolophus, diplodocus etc. She had her mommy and baby ones, of course and a bunch of plastic easter eggs to keep the baby ones (actually just smaller versions of the adult ones) in. She knew they laid eggs, like birds etc. My sister's boy at five was interested in horses, and it was a similar thing; their names, their color descriptions, palomino, etc. They get into some tv show or book character or action toy or video game and they are little savants, rattling off the kinds and colors and special abilities and what they eat where they live etc.
Kate had mentioned Aaden knew all the animals names and was teaching the others. Someone must have read him the book and worked with him on that - maybe his big sisters? - then he taught the others. The problem with a 3 year old teaching things is that you don't necessarily have all the correct information and can't answer questions unless an adult has been there first - once that has happened if the child has a good mind and a stong interest they can educate others including their parents.
I had time or MADE time to read my kids any book they wanted to have read, I taught them to read early by reading to them and weekly trips to the library - they then begin to educate themselves. I would say a mother of 8 kids under 8 does not have time to do those kinds of things, however, I had a home daycare with a bunch of toddlers and 3 YOs in it and we found time to do exactly those things and to make trips to the aquarium, to the ocean, or wherever we needed to go to help facilitate their learnings. A working mom may not have time to do that and Kate is working if she is co producer of that show. But with that level of income certainly comes the ability to get them into a good daycare or preschool or to hire a caregiver who can do more than feed, wash, do dishes laundry and girls'hair. It depends on what mom values. If she is a neat freak who sees her kids as a set of chores that must be done and play time is them in a basement/driveway with toys, then they are not going to know that horses and cows can have varied colors or that a parasaurolophus uses its bony skull plate as a weapon or much else that requires book learnin'.
My kids weren't always with the matching spotless outfits (in fact unless you count church, Cmas dinner or a wedding, NEVER) because it was my value that their intellectual development was the priority, teaching them to take the initiative to choose what to learn, then I helped support that. I don't think the kids' development in that way is something Kate chooses to focus on. She has her career and if they are "not dead or kidnapped," are clean and fed, it's all good...or something like that.

cheryl said...

Believe one of the boys wanted to know about cattle 0- k said cows.
Yesterday Dr Phil's program was about the Calif kidnapping event and the narcissitic personality of this felon, and IMHO, some similiar comparision notes to the PA g's: con artists; controlling;
pathological liars; self-absorbed;
pre-occupied; lack empathy; selfish; isolated from family, friends; very limited public assess, no intermigling with the public; exist in survivor mode.

Pink Cowboy Hat said...

Maybe the reason why Jon appears to be a better parent is that he bonded better with the kids than Kate did. If you look at the old episodes, he's always the one giving them baths and putting them to bed and amusing them, while Kate's the one cleaning up. Doing all those things for and with your children is what brings them closer to you. Clean houses don't impress a child. Playtime and bathtime - the fun things - do.

What people forget though, is that Jon wasn't exactly a responsible person before the two of them met. He was a rich kid who was indulged and spent a lot of time skiing and surfing and bumming around. Why do you think having 8 children is going to invest him with a feeling of responsibility?

A responsible person would have taken a look at what was happening to his family and called off the show seasons ago. A responsible person would have been horrified at the fact that there were millions of people who knew not only the names of his children, and what they look like, but their favorite toys, their likes and dislikes, etc. A responsible person would have put his foot down and said 'enough', and if his wife insisted, would have refused to sign the new contract and scuppered the deal.

But he didn't. Why? Because he's as narcissistic and self-centered as she is. He might not like being followed around by the paps, but he doesn't do anything to avoid it. He loves the toys and the trips and the attention. He's exploiting the children in exactly the same way Kate is. Do we honestly think he's going to suddenly become Mr. Brady?

He's fine playing with the kids for a while - like a big brother - but he can't wait to get out of there and back to his new friends and new NY pad.

The pair of them make my flesh crawl.

Hil said...

7. Letting 5 year olds steer the ATVs (no, Kate didn't have a single hand on the handlebars sometimes)

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I don't like to defend Kate about anything, but I don't recall seeing her with no hands on the handlebars. In fact I would think it would be darn near impossible for a five-year-old to drive an ATV of that size without an adult's hand on the handlebars, at least one, as the throttle is held down by the driver's right thumb. Heck MY thumb gets sore after a short while of driving because it takes a good bit of pressure to hold down the gas. I'm certain my 4 1/2-year-old daughter couldn't do it and I doubt the boy tups could either.

As for the horse/cow thing, yes, the horse was a pinto, which means it had cow-like coloring (white with dark patches). I grew up just minutes from where the Gosselins live and you can't drive down many streets without seeing cows and horses out to pasture. Trust me, it would be extremely unlikely that those boys don't know the difference. They were just playing and being silly as kids are wont to do.

fidosmommy said...

She'll never work said...
If Kate even attempted to get a "normal" job, it would never last. She'd be so much more obnoxious in the work place that it would become a toxic place to work. She would not be a team player, she'd be a know it all, and demanding. Plus, she'd try to boss everyone around. Nope, I can't see her being gainfully employed, as it takes to much effort on her part to be a good employee and she sees those people as beneath her.

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And where would Steve sit?

fidosmommy said...

Curious said...
Do we think Kate should be looking for a job as well? Go back to nursing? Not much has been said about that lately.

While I think Kate should absolutely get a job that does not entail the exploitation of her children, I really hope she does not go back to nursing.

.....there have been a couple times when I had people that should never have been nurses in the first place. They bordered on cruel and I suspect this is the category that Kate would fall into.

I had one, that seemed to take great delight in trying to humiliate me when things that were beyond my control would happen (trying not to be too graphic here).

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My nurses have always, always, always been understanding when I've had that same problem. Not once was I made to feel like I was
making them work harder.

I can just hear Kate now -- Oh, Curious, oh Lordy be, Curious, how could you? Oh Curious, WHY? Oh, now you're going to need a bath!

And in the next bed comes a little voice saying "Curious pooped. In Curious' unnawares". And it would all be on film for everyone to watch for decades to come.

stopthemadness said...

Good thought, except that TLC must have documentation as to where and when the filming was done. If PA issues a subpoena, it would have to be turned over. In addition, I would think that they should be careful in what state they are doing the filming. CA, for example, has strict laws, as do other states. Child labor law watchers would in all of the states should be on top of this, requesting that their state keep track of how many hours of filming has been done there.
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We mentinoed this on the free topic discussion - not to repeat all the info but there could be reasons TLC doesn't want to be seen to turn that home into a studio for just that liability - the kids are then unpaid unregulated child actors, there would be tax implications and insurance too as well as their reputation if a law does come to pass to protect reality show kids, that they were far out of compliance with those hours and the lack of privacy. There could be a lawsuit pending at some point, Gosselin Children vs TLC.

the lawyers have to be thinking like this even if the creative and commerical geniuses are not.

stopthemadness said...

I can just hear Kate now -- Oh, Curious, oh Lordy be, Curious, how could you? Oh Curious, WHY? Oh, now you're going to need a bath!

And in the next bed comes a little voice saying "Curious pooped. In Curious' unnawares". And it would all be on film for everyone to watch for decades to come.


Thank you, Fidosmommy

I laughed out loud twice reading this!

NoUse4Kate said...

fidosmommy said:

And where would Steve sit?


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On the bottom naturally. ;)

What do the kids eat? said...

I remember one of the boys (at the touch me museum) picked up a plastic ear of corn and looked at Kate and said "what's this?" She said CORN. CORN, he didn't know corn on the cob! What were they eating? Corn is sold in every food store, all the time. WHAT?

Short and Sweet said...

Posters, not to be complaining because I love everything that's discussed, but could we keep it shorter and to the point? When I see a post ramble on and on, I just glance at it, don't really read the whole thing, then move on to the next one. Thanks.

COW-HORSE said...

The kids knew they were horses. Aaden commented that they were the same color as cows and that's all there was to that!!

fidosmommy said...

The cow/horse confusion reminds me of Jessica Simpson on her reality show - she was eating lunch and asked her husband if she was eating chicken or tuna. "Well, the CAN said Chicken of the Sea!"

Sometimes you just don't have your brain in gear all the way and can say things that others find wildy amusing or concerning.

LiesInWailea said...

In response to Fidosmommy's question as to where Steve would sit if Kate went back to work....

The answer is so obvious. He would be sitting right under Kate!

Susan said...

How much bacteria is on a rag that is being chewed and carried around? And they're still chewing on them at age 5. How bad is that for their teeth?

Kim said...

I think the clothing that the little girls and mady and cara were playing with were kate's clothes. Serves you right kate!

stopthemadness said...

I've never heard of a chew toy or "chewie" for children. A blanket, or favorite toy as a comfort object are fairly common with very young kids and babies, as are pacifiers. I never used them but a lot of people do.
Having a child chewing on a cloth diaper with it hanging out of their face at age five is a red flag. These kids, if they need that kind of comfort, need some kind of help as their emotional needs clearly are not being met. They are as good as sending up a flare that they are insecure and anxious - Even infants can self comfort, by age five if they cannot do without these (dirty germ infested rags) something needs looking into. Where's all the anxiety coming from?

Gee, do we need to ask thaty? Wasn't this the kind of thing aunt Jodi was notcing and worried about? Not the chew rag pacifiers per se but the anxiety that makes them necessary.

Susan said...

Look at this picture:

http://i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2009/06/01/gosselin-famx-large.jpg

A picture says a thousand words. Not one of the children looks happy and the two parents have the a very fake smile.

Merrilee said...

Stopthemadness, I absolutely agree on what you said: "Having a child chewing on a cloth diaper with it hanging out of their face at age five is a red flag. These kids, if they need that kind of comfort, need some kind of help as their emotional needs clearly are not being met."
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Those nasty rags are so disgusting. I have never seen it before. Aaden and one of the girls does that. They stuff those nasty things in their mouths, chewing on them. Kate said she would discontinue their use when the kids were 5, and she added, "But I think it looks so cute."

Cute!

How on earth can anyone see that as cute? I would rather they suck their thumbs than that nastiness!

But at age 5, sucking and chewing should be something they are no longer interested in doing.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Those of you in PR, would you mind sharing your thoughts on 3 things?

1) What do you think the chances are of K8 successfully transitioning from J&K+8 to some other entertainment venue? If you think she'll succeed, what's your guess as to how long she'll be able to ride that wave before fading back to oblivion?

2) WHAT do you figure the PR in charge were thinking when they did a 180 with K8's brand? What are they trying for when they take Kate v1 as a coupon cutting housefrau in bland sweatpants, a woman who refused to join in on any activity ("I'm not naturish", "I don't swim well", "I am afraid of heights"), shrieking over the littlest things (a common ordinary piece of flypaper in the garage or a ride on an amusement park kiddie ride for god's sake) and trying to transform her, Cinderella-like, to this DivaThing with the truly weird (and fugly) 'do, breast implants, short skirts and low cut tops and a supposed "Can Do!" 'tude Kate v2?

WHAT demographic are they hoping for with such a drastic rewrite of the character (not to mention plotline with the Travel Channel-like outings)?

3)Finally, what do you figure is the 'typical' personality of sheeple who are willing/able to make such a leap of logic from Kate v1 to Kate v2 - seriously, who ARE these women?

Just really curious, as I can make no sense of it as a nonPR person.

Thanks for any insight you feel like sharing.

Chris said...

stopthemadness said...
I've never heard of a chew toy or "chewie" for children.
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I'm glad that I'm not the only one who's never heard of a "chewie".

Ohio Buckeye said...

IHateThisShow said, "my goal this year is to continue to juggle bills with a paycheck that has been cut in half, and still be able to feed my kids. i have a large family, the oldest 22, the twins 10, and a few in between, and we have NEVER had a vacation. EVER.
we are just trying to figure out how to pay for everyday things.
cosmetic surgery? laughable. going to the doctor? some other bill gets pushed back a week..going to the spa ? (never have, probably never will)...getting my hair done? (i cut my own hair to save money)...
oh yea, TLC, I can really relate to your 'everyday mom'.
we may not have money in the bank, but at least i am not the national joke."

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Well said and my feelings exactly! You said it much better than I could've. Thanks for a great post.

How is it even possible that the execs at TLC are SO FAR out of touch with what viewers find 'relatable'???!! HOW do they keep their jobs with decisions and programming like this??!!!

Buy a clue, TLC.

Susan said...

Today I saw the video clip of Jon and Kate on the Dr. Phil show. He gave them $3,000.00 worth of toys and then I remembered her Christmas episode and her comment about how hard it was to make the money stretch to include 8 kids.

And the episode where Jon get his hairplugs. At the end of the episode she says that she realizes what the public must think seeing her and Jon be transformed like this BUT she says, these are not things they can afford and even if they could they would not take the money from the kids. yeah, right.

She really wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants to live large but she still wants people to think they are poor and struggling so they will continue to get contributions. To some degree it is working.

I still see many people on other sites posting: Quit the show?? How do you expect her to support the kids and she has to worry about college? She needs the show to put food in their mouths.

Somehow she's pulling it off.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Merilee said, "Those nasty rags are so disgusting. I have never seen it before. Aaden and one of the girls does that. They stuff those nasty things in their mouths, chewing on them. Kate said she would discontinue their use when the kids were 5, and she added, "But I think it looks so cute."
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While I feel genuinely sorry for those 8 kids with all that is going on all around them and I hope they find comfort somehow some way, I agree with you that it is beyond weird that a professed 'germophobe' who wouldn't let her kids walk shoeless on any motel carpet rug (due to bacteria/fungus/virus concerns - remember that from the early days of Kate v1??) now allows her 5 year olds to suck on chewies as described here on GWoP. (Since I no longer watch J&K+8, I'm just responding to what I read here.)

Also, remember how demeaning and critical K8 was when the hired cleaning woman (who, I think got fired after one visit) missed some relatively obscure spot for dusting?? Yet these chewie things are ok with K8?? I don't get it.

I'm wondering if the whole holding them back from real kindergarten and continuing to dress them in these stupid theme outfits (sailor hats, cowboy hats, shirts, and boots, orange shirts for Halloween) is at least partially due to trying to stretch out for as long as possible the kids' apparent babyhood. Just like K8's coupons, gotta make those 8 little piles o'cash work as hard and long as you can so you can fund more wardrobe changes, tanning visits, trips to the spa, and paying all your never-a-nannies, house helpers, and bodyguard.

What a piece of work.

Susan said...

Every time I click on "publish your comment" I think of something else I want to say. Forgive me, I am new to this site and my frustration has been building and building and is now spilling over.

I thought all mothers knew that one of the most important things we can do for our children is to not pass on our fears to them. She seems oblivious to this. Screaming her head off at hermit crabs at the beach until all the little kids were screaming and looking scared. This was to make it be about her.

Also the sexist attitudes bug me too. When Joel taught himself to ride on Cara's old bike and was having a blast, she said "he didn't even mind that it was pink and purple". How is he supposed to know what a color means. But she made sure he knew by saying "your boy bike is coming. It's orange".

Ohio Buckeye said...

Susan said....
I know what you mean! Often there are so many good and interesting points that it's hard to pick which to respond to! Anyway, welcome!

I always thought 'what a complete lack of joy this chick has' - she's afraid of this, doesn't like this that and the other thing, isn't 'naturish', & of course, she must control EVERYTHING down to the most minute detail.

The ONLY thing I've ever seen the woman seem to enjoy is having people pamper her like Cleopatra at her many spa visits.

WHY would you want to model these behaviors for your kids?

But now, after several seasons getting lots o' attention for all her MANY fears, now all of a sudden she's 'Can Do Kate'???!

Some will do anything to get & keep attention. K8 = Drama Queen. Spare me.

Susan said...

I just saw a video on YouTube called The Tour. It's about when they first arrive at Ronald McDonald House and are met by a young woman who works there now but was a cancer patient when she was younger.

She starts telling Kate how she was diagnosed with Luekemia and how she was helped and cured and now they are her family, etc. etc. and OMG, I'm so embarrassed. Kate is looking straight ahead, chewing her gum and won't even look at the girl. The girl continues to talk and Kate walks faster so she is ahead of her and can't see her. The poor woman finishes by looking at Jon while talking. Wow. They cut this part out of the show. UGH! Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK94Jrq6YM8&feature=PlayList&p=lFuLFF1KSuI

Susan said...

I meant to say St. Judes

Pony said...

PaMa said: "Don't many, many kiddie books start with the basics, like different animals and the noises they make; i.e., the cow goes "moooo" and the sheep goes "baaaa"?"

Aw... that takes me back to when my oldest (almost 27) was 2 months old and I read the book "A Cow says Moo" to him.

Loving Mom said " The goal in my family is to try to save enough to take the whole family on a single short trip ONCE in the year."

I hear you. In my family - one son canceled his vacation and took a renovation job for someone so he could hire his younger brother who had just been laid off - and I drove 700 miles to take my 87 year old mother to see he 90 year old cousin. (Side note - the person who had the renovation job did go on vacation during the messiest part of it. How very Kate-ish.)

As for the "chewies" - I too have never seen such a disgusting thing with any other children. I do vaguely recall seeing Kate with one end in her mouth and the other end in one of the kids' mouth once when they were younger. Still, it's very hard to understand - and what is the point?

NoUse4Kate said...

Wow, I've never seen that video clip before. Talk about rude behavior. I know I would stop to look at the person from time to time even if we needed to talk and walk. Walking ahead and keeping them in the distance shows that she had no interest whatsoever in what that girl was saying.

Susan said...

Can you imagine walking with someone who is sharing something so personal about their life like having a 4% chance of living and getting such a cold and rude response? wow. The girl had nothing that Kate wanted so she couldn't be bothered to give her a fake response. And then handing out her book to those poor little sick children.

She has a strange concept of giving. The yard sale proceeds she donated consisted of things that were donated to her and they either were inferior quality (by her standards) or they out grew them. To her, giving means you don't want the thing. She would never give away something she wants herself. The toys were donated by K-Mart... I can't think of anything she's given that cost her money.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Susan said, "She has a strange concept of giving. The yard sale proceeds she donated consisted of things that were donated to her and they either were inferior quality (by her standards) or they out grew them. To her, giving means you don't want the thing. She would never give away something she wants herself. The toys were donated by K-Mart... I can't think of anything she's given that cost her money."
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How about the 'gifts' K8 'donated' to the children at St. Jude's: videos of J&K+8.

Crass. Tacky. You're right: she has a strange concept of giving". The woman is clueless.

my9cats said...

Ever wonder how those 'not flattering' clips of Kate that were cut out of the show, end up on YouTube?

Someone on the crew or TLC is quietly practicing sabotauge(sp?)

Who else besides crew and TLC would have acess to the tapes?

thpeaky said...

Regarding chewies: Chewies are things I buy my DOGS to help keep their teeth clean.
My battle cry is "Remember the Dionnes" and THANK you Paul Petersen of "A Minor Consideration".

Niki said...

I saw Steve there...plain as day. He was sitting off to the side during the riding lesson.

Father of Four said...

Some posters are looking forward to the day when J&K plus eight is cancelled. That is all well and good, the children might have a chance at a normal life and hopefully we will not have to see Kate on tv anymore( doubt that!) But does anyone honestly believe that TLC does not have another show like this waiting in the wings?
They can see the ratings are tanking and the "cute factor" for the children will not last forever.They also know what a goldmine such a show is to the network. If the executives at TLC found a family with sextuplets who had parents who were more like "Mike and Carol Brady" instead of two pit vipers. J&K plus eight would be cancelled today.
The focus now for those who hate the show is to make sure that any future reality shows featuring children have strict laws and regulations regarding their working conditions and money put aside for their education. Currently I believe any laws only apply to movies and scripted television shows, even then it varies from state to state.
The genie has been let out of the bottle when it comes to shows like J&K plus eight, now the public and entertainment industry have to figure out a way to control it and prevent any harm to the children in the future.

kategate09 said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK94Jrq6YM8

This video IS very disturbing! Kate totally ignored the young lady who was talking about her Cancer-survival. Kate was walking SO fast to get ahead of her! WHY? Why was Kate walking so fast like she knew where she was going?? Maybe just wanted the whole day over with because it wasn't "all about Kate"..

I was very, VERY uncomfortable watching it.

shell said...

Leaving your kids with TOTAL STRANGERS in a strange environment while you go shoot guns and flirt with a ranch hand (disguise flirting as riding a hack horse). I don't care if "the crew" were there. If they were my kids, I'd never leave them alone in a strange place with strange people.
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I can't believe people still think Kate doesnt always have help. they would of been with the nannies not just the crew. if you look up mmost of these ranches in WY they are allowed to take nannies for a fraction of the cost. the kids were left with lots of people to look after them who wouldnt of been strangers but probably the ones that the kids respond to better than kate

stopthemadness said...

Susan said
And the episode where Jon get his hairplugs. At the end of the episode she says that she realizes what the public must think seeing her and Jon be transformed like this BUT she says, these are not things they can afford and even if they could they would not take the money from the kids. yeah, right.
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Seems like that is last year's concept, that they would not afford to do all this stuff because it would take money from the kids. They managed to buy a condo in NYC, another in Park City for Jon to ski, several vehicles, who knows what Kate has bought via her lawyer, and I doubt that the nail salon in her town and the tanning booth and all that is free altho I suppose she could have worked that into her contract with TLC just like the make up artist for the show.

Kate had to say this stuff was free because otherwise the outcry would be there - this isoutrageous, you don't buy the kids MILK without a sale but you blow $3000 on a tummy tuck or hair plugs?

Now though, the "new" Kate who haughtily informs us she discplines her children in full view of the paparazzi any way she sees FIT, would probably tell the interviewer that it is none of their business, she will spend HER money as she sees fit, at this point these children have nothing and no right to anything including regular breaks or drinks of water, and their mother certainly isn't out there advocating for them to have those protections, she and Dad are working it 30 episodes per year and spending the kids money like drunken sailors.

cottagequeso gal said...

Another example of why this idiot should have NEVER had children; she claims she's supermom and can't even manage to take decent care of their teeth. She's too busy hamming it up for the cameras and trying to look cute in her babydoll dresses and pink boots - the operative word here is 'trying'.
Mama G, you're a disgrace and I wouldn't be one bit surprised if your children turned out the same way, considering the examples you've set for them.
Your claim to fame is being a laughing stock. Honey (gag), give it up...

LovingMom said...

Ohio Buckeye makes great points about Kate's "transformation."

It all boils down to this: Which Kate is the "real" Kate on this, the "realest reality show on television?"

Shame on you Khate said...

I watched the youtube video of Kate with the girl with leukemia and all I can say is Kate should be SO ashamed of herself..her reaction and lack of regard for this poor girl speaks VOLUMES as to the true nature of Kate Grosslin. The words I would love to use to describe her I will not post here. This woman should be so very grateful for the many blessings she has, for having healthy children, yet she is nothing but a cold hearted b**** with a very ugly soul.

a rose is a rose said...

I have been a nurse (RN) for 28 years mostly in maternity and infant care. There was never a night that I came on duty when I went into the new mother's rooms that I didn't touch their arm or take their hand and ask how they were doing and give them my name.
Its called compassion. I cannot imagine how Kate got through Nursing 101. She seems repelled by sick or hospitalized patients, or people in general. What a fraud.

Thinks she did it by herself said...

Instead of Kate getting down on her knees and thanking the good Lord for all her fortune and blessings, she "spits in the air",
A saying we use for those that shun God and spit up at him, instead of thanking him for all that she received. (Number one, 6 healthy children) And you know what happens when you 'spit' in the air? It comes down and hits you right in the face.

ARealNurseSpeaks said...

She'll never work said...

If Kate even attempted to get a "normal" job, it would never last. She'd be so much more obnoxious in the work place that it would become a toxic place to work. She would not be a team player, she'd be a know it all, and demanding. Plus, she'd try to boss everyone around. Nope, I can't see her being gainfully employed, as it takes to much effort on her part to be a good employee and she sees those people as beneath her.

9/04/2009 6:39 AM
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**Word!**

I am a nurse (a REAL one, working in the field, unlike Khate) and I can unequivocally say that , while she MIGHT be hired on ,( by some unknown entity that doesn't know how obnoxious and Hateful she is)--she would NOT be able to keep her job! (Unless she had undergone several years of radical therapy and changed somewhat so again, I go back to my reasons why)---A) Her supervisors, various doctors, patients' families and the like, would complain before the first day was done, about her attitude most likely,. and believe me, in most hospitals and nursing homes , if "clients" complain about you , you get talked to//too much of that happening , you get FIRED, B) her coworkers would revolt/quit left and right and the nursing managers would lose so many GOOD nurses they couldnt' keep Khate on, she would probably be foisted upon dept.after dept, floor after floor until she was fired, and C) She herself would quit the MINUTE anyone "talked" to her about HER attitude (you have to be able to be flexible and take criticism and correction from time to time ; Khate is incapable of that)
SO: NO. I do NOT think she will EVER work as a "nurse" again. My personal AND professional opinion!

Ohio Buckeye said...

a rose is a rose said...
"I have been a nurse (RN) for 28 years mostly in maternity and infant care. There was never a night that I came on duty when I went into the new mother's rooms that I didn't touch their arm or take their hand and ask how they were doing and give them my name.
Its called compassion. I cannot imagine how Kate got through Nursing 101. She seems repelled by sick or hospitalized patients, or people in general. What a fraud."

And "ARealNurseSpeaks" said...
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Hello fellow RN's! I, too, have been an OB, PostPartum, and Nursery RN and have always had a hard time picturing Katie Irene working as a nurse in any capacity, but especially in an L&D setting. Yikes, as if labor isn't awful enough - to have the likes of what we have seen of K8 on J&K+8assigned as your RN as you endure labor - good god.

The woman puts a sick child on the laundry room floor for god's sake -unbelievable.

To me, the K8 we see on TV is an insult to all nurses. No one wants to receive care from Cruella Deville, RN.

Jen said...

Good re-cap Maggie, thanks for enduring so we all can get these re-caps. Sounds like another boring show but I do have a comment about Kate saying she doesn't like rules, for someone who hates to follow rules, she sure can make enough of them for everyone else. Ah! What an example this woman is, NOT!!

Parsley said...

I just watched this episode. I was appalled and disgusted at what I saw. The boys (and Kate, for that matter) were wearing only cowboy hats--no helmets, no protective gear. The boys are allowed to yell and scream while on the horses. Furthermore, later in the episode, they throw eggs at each other, while mounted. This is spooking the horses, who jump away from the eggs. Kate jokes about this.

HELLO? Did the owners of the ranch think that this was a good idea? When I was a child only a little older than the Gosselin boys, I was in a bad horseback riding accident where a horse spooked. My life was saved by my helmet, which actually cracked in the fall. I received whiplash and a severe concussion, which resulted in agonizing headaches for a year and a half, difficulty concentrating, and issues with depression. Doctors told me that I was lucky and that I would have died without my helmet.

This is putting the children (and Kate, actually), at danger. I spent the whole episode cringing at their behavior around the horses. I know quite a few great riding instructors, and none of them would ever allow anyone to ride any horse without a helmet. I'm glad that the kids are okay, but this crosses a disturbing, disturbing line. How did the show think that was "cute"?

marypoppins said...

Chris said...
stopthemadness said...
I've never heard of a chew toy or "chewie" for children.
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I'm glad that I'm not the only one who's never heard of a "chewie".
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Ive never heard of the term either.

I can understand a favourite stufed animal or doll.But needing to suck and chew on something at this age?
I think these kids are stressed.

marypoppins said...

kategate09 said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK94Jrq6YM8

This video IS very disturbing! Kate totally ignored the young lady who was talking about her Cancer-survival. Kate was walking SO fast to get ahead of her! WHY? Why was Kate walking so fast like she knew where she was going?? Maybe just wanted the whole day over with because it wasn't "all about Kate"..

I was very, VERY uncomfortable watching it.
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I just watched this.
Was this edited out of the episdoe, I do not remember it.

It was very embarassing to watch.

Kate's body language said
i really don't care what you have to say.

I wonder if this is one of thsoe times when kate thinks "Blah blah blah" when people are speaking to her.

The young lady is sweet and is making a REAL CONTRIBUTION in her own way.

marypoppins said...

thpeaky said...
Regarding chewies: Chewies are things I buy my DOGS to help keep their teeth clean.
My battle cry is "Remember the Dionnes" and THANK you Paul Petersen of "A Minor Consideration".
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I've read the Dionne sisters books. It is very sad and they suffered.
The 4 surviving ones cherished their privacy. To later break their silence in Yvonne's open letter spoke volumes to me.

They KNEW how they were treated/lived was not normal.

marypoppins said...

Parsley said...
Furthermore, later in the episode, they throw eggs at each other, while mounted. This is spooking the horses, who jump away from the eggs. Kate jokes about this.
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I didn't watch, but ANY WASTE of FOOD in such a manner makes me mad.

Shame on you....

Renee said...

What hospital or health care provider would hire Kate as a nurse now? All the employer would have to do is go to YouTube or any site like that to see how "compassinate and caring" Kate is. NOT!!!
Also during the dude ranch episode did the camera show the children washing their hands before eating? The boys had ridden horses, thrown eggs,played with animals.Kate is supposed to be such a clean freak you would think that would be shown. Even on a cooking show they have the camera pan in on the chef washing his or her hands.
BTW when are Stacy and Clinton going to ambush Kate for "Not to Wear"? She needs it badly

Ohio Buckeye said...

Rene said.....
I agree that it's a scary thought to imagine K8 providing patient care as a nurse.

What honks me off, though, is knowing there are other areas in which RN's can work that do not involve direct patient care.

So, whenever I hear K8 whine and rationalize why 'the show must go on' to provide for her beloved children, I have to call B.S. on that whole lie, because as a trained RN, there are other lines of work she COULD do (outside a patient care setting), IF she were willing to give up the attention, lifestyle, $ she currently enjoys with her current D list celebrity status.

I'm with you on her needing some serious Stacy & Clinton advice! But K8's personality that glares an ugliness from within can't be covered up even with the best, most tasteful wardrobe.

Anonymous said...

"BTW when are Stacy and Clinton going to ambush Kate for "Not to Wear"? She needs it badly"

The sad thing is that she thinks she's the ultimate dresser, so classy, so in fashion. I don't know the identity of her fashion consultant (if she indeed has one), but she needs to be tarred and feathered, along with the hair stylist! Remember when she said that TLC should do a "before and after?" She actually fancies herself as being in style! One only has to look at the brown baby doll with the boots to know that nobody -- I mean NOBODY -- would wear that kind of get-up to a dude ranch. Forget the pink hat...the dress was alone to scare off a mountain lion.

Anonymous said...

"I'm glad that I'm not the only one who's never heard of a "chewie"

Ditto here. The only chewie I know is Chewbacca. Is it a pacifier, a tube, or any old thing that a child sticks in his/her mouth? Is it for teething purposes? Enlighten me, please!

SarahinTO said...

Here is the Wikipedia description of a 'chewie'.

A chewie (or chew toy) is a toy designed to be chewed by animals for purposes of stimulation and relief from boredom. Chew toys are commonly associated with puppies and dogs, though they are also used for birds, rodents, rabbits, (and Gosselin children)! In addition to providing hours of entertainment, they also allow to work out anxiety and boredom by being occupied with chewing a toy. Chew toys also distract from chewing on other "forbidden" items, and they assist in maintaining healthy teeth.

Mom of 5 said...

Juice has not only been linked to increased cavities, but also childhood obesity.

Yes...but you know, they probably started the juice addiction before they were rolling in the dough from TLC.

Seriously...I'd be SHOCKED if they didn't sign up for "WIC" benefits as soon as they confirmed that Kate was pregnant with the tups--because the income eligibility would have most likely allowed them to.

And the WIC nutritionist will lecture you that your child should not drink more than 4 oz of juice a day (my kids barely drink 4 oz of juice in 2 days), but then give you coupons to get enough juice to give your child over twice that amount. And yes, Juicy Juice can be purchased with WIC coupons--but fresh fruit? Only in the summer, at a farmers market. It is insane.

Mom of 5 said...

Second point is regarding income vs. lifestyle. WHO SAYS they need to continue this "Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous" thing they now having going on? If Nsg and IT work isn't their cup of tea, that's fine, but there ARE other ways to support your family IF you are willing to return to and maintain a more modest/normal lifestyle than the acred mansion, expensive vacas, cars, motorcycles, wardrobes, plastic surgery, constant trips to the tanning salon and spa.

Exactly.

Really, if they would invest their money wisely, and downsize to a more modest house, they don't need to work--they could live a comfortable MIDDLE class life off the interest of just $1.5 million of the $3 million they supposedly made last year (5% interest would yield $75 K per year).

Mom of 5 said...

From K8 grocery shopping with calculator & coupons in hand, proudly announcing she doesn't buy milk 'unless it's on sale'

Which, as has been pointed out, is SUCH a lie, because milk doesn't go on sale in PA.

CrazyK8s said...

Well at least now we know why Jon was wearing that hat & sunglasses in the Radaronline photos, haha. He's a loser, but at least he has a sense of humour. And I could see him doing that stuff for his kids even if the cameras weren't around.

ratherbkayaking said...

TV by numbers had this comment about the Dude Ranch episode: "The 8/31 episode averaged 2.33 million btwn 9p-10p."

keeblerc said...

Dear Ohio Buckeye -

I'm a former PR person who still dabbles in it. I'm not sure this will answer your excellent questions but here are some of my thoughts:

First of, the entire TLC PR/branding department needs to read the book: "Why She Buys: The New Strategy for Reaching the World's Most Powerful Consumers." The following passage may explain the bizarre evolution of Kate & the show:


“Women make the purchase or are the key influencers in about 80 percent of all consumer product sales in the United States alone. But who markets and sells products to women? The answer- overwhelmingly- is men, who occupy 85 percent of all Fortune 500 corporate officer positions, the majority of chief marketing officer positions (nearly 70 percent) and corporate executive sales management jobs, and over 90 percent of the top creative director roles at major advertising agencies.” (p. 5)

The show's initial target audience was women, specifically moms and grandmothers between the ages of 25and 74--a highly coveted demographic group as they make most decisions for their homes and families. Who they are marketing to now is anyone's guess. It appears they are "making it up as they go along" because the show has become something most women won't approve of or identify with. The on and off air behaviors of Jon and Kate are a turn off and out of step with the times. Most families in the demographic the show successfully targeted initially are having feeling some fallout from this economy, which makes J&K's incessant whining, extravagant spending and general carelessness in their approach to life and childrearing offputting.

If I represented a product and was trying to reach the "decision-makers," I would not spend my advertising dollars on JK8. In fact, I would not want my product even associated with the show. Ultimately, I believe that is what will do the show in. Even if J&K don't want to stop doing the show, advertisers pulling their budgets will make it impossible for it to continue.

Kate will never be able to transition to a role as an on-air personality with her own talk show, for instance. She isn't likeable nor does she possess the intelligence, verbal skills or interest in others necessary to be a good interviewer or reporter.

I just can't see the show lasting another season. It feels "wrong" to watch it as it's no longer the story of an adorable, quirky family and, thanks to J&K, we all now know that we've been being duped for several seasons already. Kate, in her divorce papers, asserted they haven't lived together for more than two years--which makes episodes like the renewal of the vows in Hawaii even more repugnant as the whole thing was totally contrived. And if there's one thing the thinking public doesn't appreciate it's people who lie and treat them like fools--which is precisely what J&K and TLC have been doing for years.

I am sick and tired of the whole family and, newsflash to "People" and all the other tabloids, any photo of Jon or Kate on your covers make it a certainty I will not look at nor purchase your magazine. There is nothing "special" or interesting about either of these people. They are tedious and annoying and I am adding my voice to the fast-growing chorus of people saying to both of them: "Go Away!!!!"

8POE's said...

I have some "carcassy" bones to
pick with this epi.
1)The outfits on the boys were too big. Could this be because they weren't there to try them on?
2)Kate's horrendously horrendous
"boy impression" "Does Clay?" (gag)
I didn't see where the boys and
Clay were so tight.
3)Her ditching the "icky" boys.
She says it was to ride by herself.
Actually, she wanted to be w/Steve.
4) The placement of ELF on the shelf over her left shoulder.
There's more but these were the worst.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Keeblerc, WOW!!! Thank you so much for your excellent post! I've been checking back on this thread, hoping to get some PR insight into this whole charade called "J&K+8" and you have answered my questions and given me lots of food for thought. THANK YOU very much!!!

Marie said...

I just read that K is trying to sell a talk show in LA.
First her families and friends must go, then a split with J, followed by dogs returning to the breeder. Will K leave the kids next? If she has her own show, she won't have to worry or take care of others.

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