Why Haven't They Realized It Yet?

There's no doubt that the Gosselin children are being exploited, if you take dictionary.com's definition, which says exploited means "to make use of selfishly or unethically."

But what about Jon and Kate themselves?

I don't think Jon and Kate realize they are exploiting themselves. If the Gosselins could stop, for one moment, to think about their own roles in this one-time-realistic-and-enjoyable, now grating-and-screechy show, they might not be as thrilled to continue the farce. Jon and Kate's entire life is being played out, not only on air, but also behind the scenes via the Internet, on multiple sites that blog about the horrific, car-wreck-scene millions of viewers witness each day. (Yes, that's each day. The Gosselins are on several times a day, usually.) I don't think this couple realizes that they have not only sold out their kids, which is painfully obvious, but sold out themselves, which might not, at first glance, be quite as clear.

The Gosselins' first special was poignant. You felt how difficult things were. Kate certainly wasn't made up or glamorous in the least. In fact, she was just the opposite, with her unstyled hair and t-shirts and sweat pants.

The second hour-long episode made me squirm. I thought taking advantage of a free tummy tuck -- though yes, her "belly-after-babies" was pretty unattractive -- was strange. I thought it was strange that a viewer offered it and strange that Kate accepted it and especially strange that she also wanted her breasts done and lived with the plastic surgeon and his wife for a week afterwards.

Like other "real families on tv," Kate and Jon have gradually given up more of themselves to make more money. I know people here have unfavorably compared them to the Roloffs of LPBW, but there isn't much difference, except in LPBW, the kids are older and can say no, to some degree. Like LPBW, J&K Plus 8 has gradually turned into a show that focuses not specifically on the unusual challenges of the particular family, but the perks they receive for allowing people to film them. Both families have enjoyed expensive, atypical vacations, extensive home renovations and now, apparently, J&K are rumored to be receiving a new home.

But all this comes at such a high cost that, to most people, the whole thing seems unfathomable. One difference is that the Roloffs seem to take a more relaxed attitude toward their filming. Jon and Kate appear to have completely forgotten their life from even three quarters of a year ago, when, at the time, they still seemed to be striving for a balance between filming, Jon's job, the twins' schooling, and raising their family.

I expect that with forty or fifty episodes in a "season," TLC will experience quicker viewer burnout than if the new episodes are spaced out a little. Yes, right now ratings are unbelievably strong. But how many times can we watch the same family doing the same things over and over? And I'm sure TLC loves the controversy -- none of these anti-Gosselin sites are going to stop the madness or, of course, the check-cashing of millions of dollars in ad revenue. In time, viewers will turn to the next big family or idea de jour and all of the money TLC has dumped into the Jon-and-Kate machine will disappear. Of course, then this family will more than likely be shattered, if not physically, then emotionally.

Yet Jon and Kate don't appear to register any of this.

I imagine all the money, especially after what appears to be some amount of deprivation in their earlier married years, must feel heady. And yes, I'm sure some people are jealous of their current, very cushy lifestyle. But at what sacrifice? I would guess that between product endorsements, speaking engagements, and actual shows, the Gosselins are raking in over a million a year, maybe more. It must be exciting to suddenly see your bank account grow plump, to be able to buy, for the first time in your lives, anything you want. It must be wild to live with nearly twenty-four-hour-a-day help, getting ready to build a free house that most Americans can never imagine living in, and the satisfaction that you've achieved a level of "income" you could never have imagined just a few years earlier.

But Jon and Kate can't see what they've sold away -- not only all of their privacy, but also all of their dignity, all of their future, for the sake of money -- money that, if they are not extremely careful, will disappear a whole lot more quickly than they know right now. I just have to wonder why they don't see what they've sold and how much more that's going to cost them in the end. Jon and Kate, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Truly.

Submitted for publication via email from Anonymous.

75 comments:

E. said...

I think there is a major difference between Little People, Big World and Jon & Kate Plus 8. Number one, the lies. LPBW have never taken credit for paying for the trips, etc. Kon's lying is one main reason I don't like their show. They go out of their way to say things that are blatantly false.

On LPBW, I have seen their kids with holes in their shoes. I don't think LPBW get a clothing expense account.

Also, LPBW have included, from the start, their family and friends. They are in almost every episode. TLC must pay them a stipend and the Roloff's don't have a problem with it. (I thought of this when I found out about Kon's treatment of their friends and family.)

The Mom on LPBW said she made sure that no cameras go in the daughter's rooms. And the sons have a right to ask for that too. They are much older than Kon's kids. We don't see them using the bathroom, etc.

I don't think I have ever heard the LPBW parents make fun of their children. I think they try to be honest, but with kindness.

The Roloffs don't have personal chefs, the kids work on the farm, etc. Of course their lives are easier with the show, but they DO NOT have the things that Jon and Kate do, not even close.

I also think the LPBW made people more understanding of little people. On the show, I have seen the little people be taunted by strangers. I could not believe it. Their show has brought awareness to their condition.

They also run a farm, have a charity, a small business, and the mom was a teacher. They are not just their show. Of course they do speeches, but I think those are educational. I have seen the dad do speeches at schools, how much money could be in that? Fare from $25,000 I'm sure. It will also benefit other little people because it brings awareness and understanding.

While the LPBW parents are far from perfect, they are in no way anything like Kon. That's just laughable.

Anonymous said...

"I thought it was strange that a viewer offered it and strange that Kate accepted it and especially strange that she also wanted her breasts done and lived with the plastic surgeon and his wife for a week afterwards."

I could not believe the incredible chutzpah of Kate to ask the plastic surgeon donating a free tummy tuck to consider additional procedures for her. I laughed out loud when he put her in her place and told her to buy a better bra.

Back then I was astounded by Kate's nerve - now I know that is how she is all the time!

Jackie said...

I highly agree with the first poster! LPBW is much more enjoyable to watch, considering I think that is closer to reality that Jon and Kate + 8 is. Sure, the Bahamas vacation was a bit unrealistic, but on Jon and Kate + 8 you basically see a trip every week; not many families today would be able to afford that with the rising gas prices.

Plus, with the twins, sextuplets, and parents going to Hawaii to renew their vows is a bit extreme. My parents renewed their vows, but it wasn't on an island like they wanted it to be. They wanted to go to St. Barts to renew their vows, but they didn't. We were going through some financial hardships. It was basically in a small church area and even thought it wasn't fancy or expensive, it was still special.

And I also agree with the first poster on seeing family & friends on LPBW---You don't see that much on Jon & Kate + 8 apart from the nanny, Jenny.

ThreeFarmers said...

For me the big difference between J&K+8 and LPBW is the ordinary ups and downs of life. LPBW is bittersweet a lot of the time. We see the real struggles that the family often has to deal with and I'm not just talking about size. Mark makes some crazy decisions on that show and now is facing some pretty serious health issues.

With the Gosselins, everyday is a "special day", no one ever has to get up and go to work, and the biggest challenge they face is packing the van and the U-haul to go on another vacation. It's not believable or fun to witness. Watching this show is like visiting those people who insist on showing you their vacation slides each time you go to their house. Except at the Gosselins house, you'd have to fold the laundry during the slideshow.

Sharla said...

I think perhaps you meant Matt instead of Mark?

ThreeFarmers said...

I think perhaps you're right. *grin*

Jen said...

I agree that LPBW is still about the actual family and their experiences whereas J&K+8 is literally about the show. It's a strange setup...at first the show was about the family and how they do things (very much like LPBW) but now it's literally become a show ABOUT A SHOW. All of the things that, but for the show, they would never do in the first place.

What happened to Kate's assertion that they only do things the way they would really do them? She said she was such a stickler about making sure that the show wasn't a setup, but in the show episode about the "behind the scenes" stuff, they specifically mentioned that they talk with the producers about "what they want to get" footage-wise, and "how they're going to get it"!

I'm sorry, but Jon and Kate, if you want to keep up the charade, you're going to have to learn how to lie just a bit better because it seems like you can't remember you lines!

Evileye said...

The Roloffs were working before the show as well. They have much stronger work ethic and family values. Their challenges are far greater than Kon, yet they do not want sympathy from the viewer.

grammier said...

threefarmers said >>>Watching this show is like visiting those people who insist on showing you their vacation slides each time you go to their house. Except at the Gosselins house, you'd have to fold the laundry during the slideshow<<<

I nominate this for comment of the week.

5monkeys said...

I don't watch LPBW (I never have), so I can't make a comparison. But I do think that the "celebrity" life has gone to J&K's heads, and sadly the children are the ones suffering. I truly don't know why they can't see this.

Surely they read the blogs/forums/etc, and are reading viewers' observations about them and their children... You would think it would give them some food for thought, and realize they need to change their behaviors.

Anonymous said...

Is this what a typical day is like in all of your homes?

Anonymous said...

To the person who said that Kon may have suffered deprivation in their early married life, geez, most of us seemed to get through living in our first apartments with bookcases made of cement blocks and pieces of wood, eating lots of mac and cheese and going, if anywhere, to the dollar movies. I don't really think either of them suffered at all, not a bit, and maybe if Jon's dad had let them suffer, let them know they, the two of them, would have to live with their decisions and not ask for society to foot their bills, then maybe these two parents would've grown up. As I see it they are two very spoiled children themselves.

Natasha said...

I have to say, I can't fault Kate for accepting the tummy tuck...although staying at their house afterward was definitely odd.

I've never been pregnant, let alone with multiples, but I can imagine how self-conscious I'd be if my stomach looked like that. I'd probably jump at the chance to have one done at no cost, as long as the surgeon was gracious enough to offer (actually coming out and ASKING for free services is another matter, IMO).

iluveeyore said...

Figure 8 Films/TLC is exploiting Jon and Kate. Jon and Kate are too dim-witted to understand that.

Jon said that he destroys "negative" e-mail, without reading it. If he's not reading it, how does he know it's negative? It might help him a lot if he not only read "negative" e-mail, but also THOUGHT about it.

Kate said that they wouldn't do anything that wasn't "normal" for them. I guess the 2 weeks on the Outer Banks and the 2 weeks in Hawaii are things they do all the time.

Those poor children are being dragged hither, thither, and yon... and have no idea WHY or what a "normal" childhood would be like.

laurie said...

Thank you for this post. It made me smile and laugh, and I needed both.

Today my son had his first football scrimmage. My son is a wonderful boy. I'd tell you if he wasn't, but the truth of the matter is, he is kind, bright and out-going, makes friends easily and gets along well with others.

At today's game my son, with thirty-five other teammates, did not get to play in the scrimmage, a game where NO points are given. This is basically a game where they can "get the idea of how it works" sort-of-game. Every other kid on the team got to play in this practice game.

We left the field heartbroken for our son. My husband went back and talked to the coach, who apologized so we're not angry in any way. We are just broken for our son. It's not an easy thing to want to "fix" everything all the time for your children. ::sigh::

After reading this post it got me to thinking, I wonder if Kate comes to the recue of her children? Will she do that as they get older and need someone to stand in for them to help in matters like this. Even small ones, you want to be there for your kids and make sure that things are "fair". Of course not everything can be fair but if they SHOULD be fair you want to make sure that they ARE. Make sense?

Anyway, thank you for the post. It makes me realize how great of a Mom I am and how our kids DO have loving and caring parents. I hope the same for the Gosselins as time passes.......... they need it.

5monkeys said...

Jon said that he destroys "negative" e-mail, without reading it. If he's not reading it, how does he know it's negative? It might help him a lot if he not only read "negative" e-mail, but also THOUGHT about it.

I think it was the "Viewer FAQ" episode where they said they don't care what the negative comments say, because they (the people sending the emails) don't know J&K or the kids. I don't remember their exact words, but it something along those lines.

I don't believe for a second they discard negative emails.

W&MGrad said...

I have not ever watched LPBW either, although I live only a few miles from them and have seen them around town quite a bit. I've seen them in the grocery store DURING STORE HOURS. I once saw them at a nearby mall DURING STORE HOURS. I apparently (so I've been told) ended up in the background of one of their episodes when I was getting my name changed on my drivers license and one of the sons was getting his driver license. I remember seeing them at the DMV and, really, if it weren't for one camera person and one sound person, I probably wouldn't even have noticed that they were there.

I do think, though, that if this were Jon and Kate, I'd either never see them (since they apparently don't shop during business hours) or, if they were out and about, they make a huge deal of themselves.

This reminds of something I remember reading about Paul McCartney. He said that, during the height of the Beatles fame, he and Linda would routinely ride the London Underground. However, because they didn't *act* like celebrities, no one ever noticed them.

Somehow, I don't think that J&K operate in quite that way.

Amerisham6101 said...

NO DIGNITY WHATSOEVER! It's all greed, all the time with those two.

I have no doubt it helps Jon rest easier at night to say "I'd do anything for my kids." in an attempt to hide his own greed and cover his own selfish behavior but real people who would and HAVE done things solely on behalf of their children see straight though that sham.

Number one, if it was about doing everything he could for his kids, then why did he sit on his behind for months and months when she was pregnant and not GET A JOB? ANY JOB???

Oh, thats right. It was probably much easier to be laid off and let the state pay 100% of their medical bills than go to work and maybe have to pay 20% of those bills down the road. The community picked up the tab on the rest.

These two were looking out for someone from the very beginning but it wasnt their kids.

ThreeFarmers said...

I'm in my 40s and have never had children, however I've been surrounded with them nearly every day of my life since I was 9. I'm a substitute teacher and I babysit daily for nieces and nephews... actually my nieces and nephews are grown now and I've got their children .. 3 great-nephews and a niece.

When the kids want to do something particularly messy, I do what my father used to do to me...which isn't very glamorous, but works nicely. He would cut out a hole on the bottom of a garbage bag for my head and two arm holes on the sides. He would put it on me and would wrap DUCK TAPE around my waist so the "outfit" would stay put. I was then allowed to paint, cook, or do whatever til my heart was content.

When it comes to getting dirty, those kids know that what Aunt ThreeFarmers lacks in style, she makes up for with enthusiasm.

Ravello said...

This was a very well thought out post and I agree with most of what was said so far.
I think often of Jon's father and wonder if he would be able to reach J/K to help them see what they are doing to themselves and their kids.

J/K are so smitten with the money, the perks, the celebrity status that they have lost all perspective on what is important in life. It is really sad.

Anonymous said...

That was very well written. At first I thought this was an actual news article and the press was catching on their scam.

Anonymous said...

So when was this message added to their site? They had a similar one a while back but took it down.

"Unless you are visiting this site, www.sixgosselins.com or TLC’s website, you will not be reading official information about our family.

There are many imposters, people who are claiming to be us, answering emails, chatting online claiming to be us or writing about us…None of these are us! Just so you know!!! J"

iluveeyore said...

That post was added to their site a few weeks ago. They have made repeated attempts to sway their viewers, but they never seem to quite get the words right.

I have yet to see people claiming to be Jon and Kate, but obviously they have.

5monkeys said...

I think that comment wasn't posted because they have seen imposters, but rather to give people the impression that there may be imposters, and they are trying to cover their butts from anything they may have said or done on the internet that is "getting out".

Neither of them have a job outside their home, and we have often seen one or both of them on the computer during the show. I can't imagine that both of them would be able to restrain themselves from posting on the internet. And if they tried to be "discreet" about it, then that would further show how ignorant they are.

It's dang near impossible these days to be totally "anonymous" on the internet.

FIONA said...

There are many things I like about LPBW...but the one I would like to comment on is all the kids outside interests and belonging on a sports team.

Cara obviously likes Soccer...

I don't think Jon and Kate would make the time and committment needed for any of the kids to be on a team. With practices and games, that would make much more interesting and real TV than the other stuff they have been putting out.

I bet Kate would be the one to say no to much of anything that involved a committment. Yes, we have seen an episode of a cooking class....bet that didn't last more than a couple of weeks. I thought introducing music was an excellant idea, but what Mother, "in her right mind" would say that they won't make the kids practice???? That told me alot about follow thru and just plain looking out for your kids best interests...but alas, we know that is not the case in the Gosselin home.

So to tie in with the poster who wondered if Kate would go to bat for her kids-I would emphatically say NO...unless it personally upset or affected her.

Her idea of "helping" is a note in a lunch box "to be a friend"...you all know what I mean by that.

Any parent who would pubically put down their kids on TV would not intervene in a childs struggles.

dixietrixie said...

iluveeyore said "Figure 8 Films/TLC is exploiting Jon and Kate. Jon and Kate are too dim-witted to understand that."

You just hit the nail on the head. Figure 8/TLC is holding the carrot on the stick and J&K are the dumb mules following behind. Check out Jen Stocks' profile at Figure 8 Films. She lists one of her "gifts" is that people like to open up and confide in her. Too bad she is using this "gift" to manipulate these two bone heads into destroying the only childhood their kids will ever have.

laurie said...

OH I remember the episode with the notes in the lunch box. My kids (and myself included) were fans at that time... I think we were still fans on that episode. LOL Ugh. I don't remember...

Anyway, my eldest daughter (she's 8.5) said to me, "MOM MOM!! she puts notes in the lunches just like YOU!!!!" and then kate reads the note. lol my daughter didn't like what the note said, she's very bright. LOL she thought it was mean, saying, "well that's not like your notes mom..." lol

my notes are nice, like MOST mothers' notes... lol i write either loving or funny stuff... like "i love you tons" or "remember to wipe a boogy on your lunch mate" LOL stuff like that. anything to make them smile. i certainly wouldn't write what kate does. lord. she doesn't GET IT! why doesn't she see what she's doing?

We're big fans of LPBW. We love the parents, love how you see their 'problems' and how they work them out, love the bickering (normal bickering) but they always come together in the end. They really seem to show how their family truly is. :)

Anonymous said...

"Cara obviously likes soccer..
I don't think Jon and Kate would make the time and committment needed for any of the kids to be on a team. With practices and games, that would make much more interesting and real TV than the other stuff they have been putting out...."

I agree with all of the above thoughts. It takes a huge amount of time and effort on the parent's part for a child to participate in sports. The only way I could see any of the kids being on a sports team would be if Kate did her normal whining and said "I plead eight" to a coach. Meaning that her kids could be on a team IF someone else always picked them up for practices and brought them home, if other parents made sure that the Gosselins kids were taken to and from games, etc.

Now honestly the main reason Kate would probably never allow any sports participation by her children is obvious - she would freak out totally the first time she saw their white football or baseball pants covered in grass stains. However it might be OK if in the future, she not only has 'people' to fold and put away her laundry, but to actually do the pre-treating and laundering.

Also most sports teams require the parents to help in some way. It could be coaching the team or it could be working in the concession stands or doing work on the fields. I could 'possibly' see Jon doing some work for a team, but Kate - NO Way. I think Kate would feel she had done her part if she showed up to watch one of the kids play in a game once every year or so.

iluveeyore said...

On a recent show (I cannot remember which one), Kate was showing her laundry room. Hanging with the "ironed" clothes, it looked like there were two Brownie uniforms! If Cara and Mady were Brownies, that would be wonderful. (Maybe Jodi used to take them with her daughter.)

Perhaps we haven't heard about that for security reasons -- they might be wising up about announcing where they are when (like Mondays at the Lancaster Gymboree).

iluveeyore said...

I do not like LPBW at all. The parents are dolts, the boys are fresh-mouthed to everyone, and the ridiculous "vacations" are beyond belief. The twins are WAY BEHIND in school and seem to be rewarded with video games, cars, vacations, etc.

I actually have stopped watching that show. I think Jon and Kate and their 8 howling monkeys are close behind.

As for Kate "backing up" her children, a friend of mine once gave me some good advice -- constant paternal vigilance. Always be aware of what is going on with your children. Kate's tups are 4 and still at home 24/7 and she does not seem to be very "into" them at all.

Anonymous said...

laurie...

I don't remember everything about Kate's notes to her kids, but if your mean reminding Maty to be nice to the other children, I think that was more than alright. It was encouraging but, true. Some kids need reminders to be kind. That is just the truth. Parents must be honest about their children's faults. Being a bully is a major problem at schools. If more parents took an active role in shaping their children, school would be a more pleasant place.

If your child doesn't need reminders like that, consider yourself lucky. You have done a good job!

Anonymous said...

laurie...

It hurts now, but your son will probably be the next Bill Gates or discover one cure for cancer...life is not all sports, even if it seems that way at this age.

Also, you might want to practice extra with him or get him a high school student or college student that is good at sports to help him. Just don't let his friends know. He has lots of fans on the GWoP site!

twinkle2 said...

"I don't think Jon and Kate realize they are exploiting themselves. If the Gosselins could stop, for one moment, to think about their own roles in this one-time-realistic-and-enjoyable, now grating-and-screechy show, they might not be as thrilled to continue the farce."


I think they know exactly what they are doing, and I honestly don't think they care that they are exploiting the kids (and themselves). It's all about money at this point, and, IMO, until they are kicked to the curb, they will continue to do the show.

Once the show went from a documentary-type show about the issues that surround a family who's having multiples, they lost me. It's now nothing more than a "reality show." It appalls me that the children are being exploited like this, but I don't see J&K "getting it" anytime soon.

Kate is the hardest for me to take. She thinks she's so special. Little Miss Queen Bee.

I've got news for her...

While she thinks she's "hot snot" on a golden platter...she's really nothing more than a "cold booger" on a paper plate.

partyofseven said...

I agree with everything except the tummy tuck. This is why:
http://partyofseven.wordpress.com/2008/08/08/niptuck/

I live my my abdominal muscles separated, and it SUCKS.

e. said...

I read on this site, written by a poster who attended one of their speaking engagements, that they refused to answer three questions from the audience about them exploiting their kids. This poster said it was very uncomfortable for everyone. Did anyone else read this? If that poster is reading this, could you tell us more about it? Obviously they refuse to discuss this with anyone. If they were comfortable with their decision, I think they would have come up with some answer, even if they repeated the same answer all the time, say something.

Anonymous said...

iluveeyore said: I do not like LPBW at all. The parents are dolts, the boys are fresh-mouthed to everyone, and the ridiculous "vacations" are beyond belief. The twins are WAY BEHIND in school and seem to be rewarded with video games, cars, vacations, etc.
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I agree with you 100%. But, by comparison to KON, the Roloffs and their kids are stellar. Amy Roloff is unpolished and rough; Matt is an airhead, and the twins are indulged and lazy - but I do not see any deep, deep pathology like I do chez Gosselin. I would never even want to hang with the Roloffs as mere acquaintances - the're uninteresting and bourgeois - but if KON came my way, I'd run like hell.

Anonymous said...

As for the sports, Cara should be playing soccer, since her uncle (John's brother) is a soccer coach. He is actually a high school level girls' coach (he coaches my niece's team). Seems with a coach in the family, it would be easy enough to find out how to get her into soccer, huh? But, then it wouldn't be too interesting watching her running around by herself when all the other parents don't want their kids filmed by the greedy gosselins!

Anonymous said...

I just found this info (posted yesterday). Apparently, according to this, Season Four of J&K Plus 8 starts in November. The season premiere will feature the Hawaii wedding vows renewal (and other Maui activities) and more "field trips" in San Diego. This is the link:
www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?p=206068

Sorry if I put this in the wrong place...

Wilma said...

I found this link where it talks about the kids getting swimming lessons. http://www.shelbystar.com/news/jessica_33004___article.html/jon_kate.html

I believe this article that the cameras were away for one week of the vacation. So there could be truth in the fact that the twins are in brownies and the the tups get some interaction with other kids their age.

I am just trying to hope that this is not as bad as it seems and that the kids have some bit of a normal life.

Anonymous said...

As for the sports, Cara should be playing soccer, since her uncle (John's brother) is a soccer coach. He is actually a high school level girls' coach (he coaches my niece's team).

Which brother? I thought Tom Gosselin coached college-level soccer?

Renee said...

My mom was my Girl Scout troop leader and all the girls loved her and she did a lot of awesome projects with us (making Thanksgiving baskets for the needy, camping, crafts). I wish Kate could move past her pathology and get more involved in her kids' lives, especially the twins. If they are, in fact, involved in Girl Scouts then that makes me really happy for them because I had a great time as a GS. I sometimes wonder if the girls' friends' parents watch the show and when/if they visit the parents are somewhat like surrogates to them. That would make me feel better.

Anonymous said...

Kate would never join the girls in girl scout fun. she would take advantage of the break from her hectic life to take a nap!

discoball said...

Am I the only one that thought it was hilarious that the "thank you" gift they gave the swim teacher was a signed picture of themselves?

I'm going to try using signed pictures of myself as tokens of my appreciation and see how far that gets me.

Anonymous said...

I don't think there is anything J or K could write on any web site, anything they could say (or their advocates could say in their names) that would whitewash what happened to Collin in that furniture store or Mady trying to hide from the camera or them having the kids use the toilet on camera or Kate screaming at Jon in the toy store. Sorry, but those images are burned in any viewer's brain. And I know we are not talking about two educated individuals here, but they are savvy enough to be able to exploit their children for their own huge benefit. Kate will probably end up being the most hated woman in America and I don't think she has enough sense to realize that she may end up being hated by her kids down the road when they are old enough to realize what's been done to them -- yes, been done to them, certainly not for them.

And tell me this. Why would this supposedly religious family not donate those cribs and clothing, etc., to deserving and unfortunate families who could really use them? They need more money, J&K? I don't think so. Man, how much is enough? Yes, Kate, you've now taken Leona Helmsley's (sp?) place in our hearts.

Renee said...

I don't know if any of you are familiar with The Hills (MTV show) but J+K are totally resembling Heidi and Spencer now in that they will do anything and everything for a buck. They're just trying to get more rich and more famous and will start fights with family and friends, cut people out of their lives, embarrass themselves and their children on national tv, and have staged outings to obtain what they think they need and it's totally sickening. One word: FAMEWHORES.

Moxie said...

At least Heidi and Spencer are doing it to themselves. Voluntarily. They're not dragging 8 little kids into the mix.

Anonymous said...

The difference is that Heidi and Spender do not have Sheeples throwing money at them and MTV is not building them a million dollar home plus all the freebies. If only Heidi and Spender could have it so good!!!

Anonymous said...

"As for the sports, Cara should be playing soccer, since her uncle (John's brother) is a soccer coach. He is actually a high school level girls' coach (he coaches my niece's team)."

"Which brother? I thought Tom Gosselin coached college-level soccer?"
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Tom Gosselin is employed at the college in Maryland and is the head girls' soccer coach. Maybe he coaches high school girls' soccer on the side. But he for sure works as a college soccer coach.

SmartyQ said...

discoball said Am I the only one that thought it was hilarious that the "thank you" gift they gave the swim teacher was a signed picture of themselves?

I'm going to try using signed pictures of myself as tokens of my appreciation and see how far that gets me.


No, you're not Discoball. I'm thinking 'Antiques Roadshow' in 30 or 40 years. Someone who paid $20 for the family picture and $80 for all of the individual pictures proudly shows them to an appraiser. The person stands expectantly knowing the entire, mint-condition set must be worth a bundle—even though no one has heard from Kon and offspring for years. These pictures will help to fund her offsprings' college.

The appraiser is a kind man so he gently breaks the news that these sets aren't worth anything. He tactfully adds that he's sure they have great sentimental value.

As the now disappointed owner quietly sobs, the treasure chest appears on the bottom of the screen followed by the words 'Complete set of Gosselin family pictures. $0)

somewhereinthemiddle said...

I know this will not be a popular stance here, but I think it is downright likely that Cara does play soccer. I don't think a child would pick a soccer ball to paint or a soccer ball shell for her crab if she didn't actually play soccer. Afterall it would be hard to sustain "like" for an activity if you never got to do that activity. When the twins went to cooking class, it was the first we'd heard about it, but it wasn't there first class. Soccer may be something that Cara does that -gasp- actually doesn't get filmed. I think that's a real possibility. Same thing with Brownies. The girls may go to Brownies right after school for all we know. While I'm no fan of J&K, I do believe that their lives are more than what we see. And that includes friends for the twins.

I also agree with the poster who said that Kate's note to Mady about being a friend COULD be okay. I don't remember the exact wording of the note, but I think a mother could write a lunchbox note that remind her daughter to be kind to others (there's a rumor that Mady is ADHD - kids who suffer from that often have trouble making and keeping friends). It could be cruel, but it isn't necessarily cruel.

Sorry to be so long winded here, but I do want to say a word about LPBW. I started watching J&K because it came on after the Roloffs, so I feel some loyalty to them. They are FAR from a perfect family, but you can see the love and respect they have for each other. Also, there are a lot of episodes where Molly is absent. I always figured that was because she did not want to be filmed; she is somewhat shy. The show has always focused more on the twins, who are older and more aware of what the cameras mean and can give consent. On Oprah Amy said they'd stop the show when/if the kids got tired of it.

SmartyQ said...

somewhereinthemiddle said...
I know this will not be a popular stance here, but I think it is downright likely that Cara does play soccer. I don't think a child would pick a soccer ball to paint or a soccer ball shell for her crab if she didn't actually play soccer. Afterall it would be hard to sustain "like" for an activity if you never got to do that activity.
I hadn't thought of that, and you may be right. Do you think the coaches would allow her to play with her extraordinarily long fingernails? I realize it's all footwork, but stuff happens. I hope Cara is playing soccer and not just expressing her dreams via ceramics and a crab. Thank you for posting this.

ThreeFarmers said...

We should all probably have an understanding that to show Cara or any of the kids playing soccer or participating in Brownies would take a signed release from the other members of her team/troop or F8 would have to go through and pixelate all of those faces and that would cost some $$ in post production. A random face here and there at the zoo or on any of their BS excursions doesn't require such a release, but if the same kids are going to be shown repeatedly as part of a team/troop, documents would definitely have to be signed. I'm thinking production didn't want to fool with it or not enough parents agreed to participate. It could be that Jon & Kate wanted to keep the extracurriculars private, however that seems more and more unlikely.

xsandlapper said...

The Roloff boys have all been shown playing soccer. A lot lol. I don't remember any blurring but could have missed it. I just know there have been many games shown, lots of people shown at the LP conventions and other touriss on the many trips. Things aren't closed to others while they are there unlike the G's.

ThreeFarmers said...

Then releases were probably signed. If the same kids (especially when you're dealing with children)are shown over and over, then releases would have had to been signed. I've worked in television and radio for 25 years, I've had to deal with getting releases signed more than once. If the Gosselins have any sort of ill will with other parents the kids associate with, getting releases signed would be especially important. Sometimes getting those releases is remarkably easy, sometimes they are incredibly difficult.

Christi said...

I understand the difficulty in getting releases and asking people to be shown on film. Why, though, couldn't Kon just mention in passing that Cara just got home from soccer practice, Mady's packing for a Scout trip, etc.

bk said...

Am I the only one that thought it was hilarious that the "thank you" gift they gave the swim teacher was a signed picture of themselves?
I think it's typical Jon and Kate. It just goes to show how narcisstic these people are. I mean, after all, if someone gives your eight children swimming lessons for free, I would think that deserves more than a picture that cost Jon and Kate absolutely nothing. Narcistic people are notoriously bad gift givers. I mean, come on...we know they got free embroidered towels from the real estate agent. We know they got hours of free lessons for swimming and a comped stay in a beach house. Yet, they give people a picture as a thank you? Why not a Starbucks gift card or something that, you know, cost more than a minute of your time. I'm not expecting them to grow side burns and start giving everyone free Cadilacs (ala Elvis), but it cracks me up that they just happened to take 8x10 glossy prints on their trip. Who knows...at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Kate tried to hand a waitress or gas pump attendant a picture expecting them to waive the expense.

Kate will probably end up being the most hated woman in America...
Well, Fred Phelps daughter will be happy to pass the torch.

nd tell me this. Why would this supposedly religious family not donate those cribs and clothing, etc., to deserving and unfortunate families who could really use them? They need more money, J&K? I don't think so. Man, how much is enough? Yes, Kate, you've now taken Leona Helmsley's (sp?) place in our hearts.

You answered your own question. They are only religious so far as they can use their religion to defend their decision to not selectiveley reduce and collect "love offerings" from other Christians. I firmly believe (although, it's only an opinion) that they don't donate because they feel like THEY are the ones who should receive hand-outs. At times, I still believe that they see themselves as charity cases.

These pictures will help to fund her offsprings' college.
...or Kate's boob job and the personal Chef. But, you know, it's all good because those kids aren't going to college for at least 15 years...there's plenty to take advantage of between then and now. She has to pace herself, after all. ;) You know what they say: All scam and no spending makes Kate a dull girl.

5monkeys said...

what happened to Collin in that furniture store

I saw that episode for the first time recently, and my heart was breaking for him. He was constipated for a few days, and all J&K could do was joke about it? I wonder if they did anything to help him along. Prunes/and or prune juice, raisins, extra fiber, you get the idea.

Jon was the one to comfort Colin in the store (and took him out to be changed) because apparently picking out beds was more important.

mswestern said...

"I'm not expecting them to grow side burns and start giving everyone free Cadilacs (ala Elvis), but it cracks me up that they just happened to take 8x10 glossy prints on their trip."

They probably gave the swimming instructor a picture that hadn't sold at their speaking engagement.

ThreeFarmers said...

Blogger Christi said...

I understand the difficulty in getting releases and asking people to be shown on film. Why, though, couldn't Kon just mention in passing that Cara just got home from soccer practice, Mady's packing for a Scout trip, etc.

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Of course, they could. I'm sure the producers didn't plan on everyone noticing the Brownie outfit or focusing on the soccer thing. It's just a matter of continuity... They could be thinking "why mention the Brownies or the soccer if we're not covering it in the show."

Anonymous said...

I'm not expecting them to grow side burns and start giving everyone free Cadilacs (ala Elvis), but it cracks me up that they just happened to take 8x10 glossy prints on their trip.They probably gave the swimming instructor a picture that hadn't sold at their speaking engagement.

Can I nominate this for the next comment of the week?

Evileye said...

I nominate BK's

You know what they say: All scam and no spending makes Kate a dull girl.

Very funny! Reminds me of Jack Nicholson in the Shining.

Anonymous said...

What will kill the show is the producers not picturing the kids. I am not remotely interested in Jon and Kate but watch to enjoy the tups and twins.

Anonymous said...

I agree. What we all loved to watch were the kids and their own antics and interactions -- all 8 of them. I can not imagine very many viewers give a rat's bum about the parents' opinions or their beautification routines and perks.

Let me ask you this. Could this be a sociologic experiment in which we are all unwitting participants? Maybe someone is doing their thesis on how to turn an American family from beloved to despised in a five year span? Can't you picture them, Now, kate, please bring in some sarcasm, slap Jon twice in this episode and let's see if we can make Joel cry and all the other kids jealous of Hannah. Now is there a way to humiliate Jon even further or the kids? Oh, yes, scream like a fishwife in a crowded toy store and then let's get a shot of your boys trying to use the toilet in someone's front yard. That should get the ball rolling. No jobs? Okay, the viewing public will hate that. Goody!

Anonymous said...

Okay, if I was offered a free tummy tuck after I carried sextuplets, I would totally take it. Period. I wouldn't ask for additional surgery, unless I had wicked hemorrhoids. But I think insurance would cover that.

As for why Kate and Jon aren't seeing the destruction of their family, well, they are in it right now. In order to see damage done one has to take a step back for contemplation. I know as a mom of 4 young kids (under 5 years) that I have to MAKE time to take stock of if our lives and routines are working or if they need re-adjustment. I would think if my schedule were as jammed as theirs it I would not be able to do this.

I'm not really defending them so much as to say I can see why they don't seem to get what is so obvious to the rest of the viewing audience. I hope and pray they give themselves a gut check before life hands it to them.

Serena said...

Could this be a sociologic experiment in which we are all unwitting participants? Maybe someone is doing their thesis on how to turn an American family from beloved to despised in a five year span.

I think you're giving someone way too much credit. I think the only sociological experiment going on is Jon and Kate seeing how much money they can milk out of their children's childhood.

iluveeyore said...

* * I must add, in the "Shopping for Beds" episode, Jon did not only take Collin out of the furniture store to "change" him. He took him to the van/truck to remove impacted feces from his butt. We watched (as did Joel) and heard the entire process. Kate was too interested in looking at beds in a catalog.

On the couch afterward, Jon and Kate actually made fun of the incident and Jon imitated Collin THANKING him, with a lisp. (I thought it was very nice for a 3-year-old to thank him!)

I'll bet Collin can't wait for all his friends to watch that episode on their dvd player.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what happened to carla and her daughter Ashley? I am thinking the same thing that happened to Beth and Aunt Jodi.

Anonymous said...

"Okay, if I was offered a free tummy tuck after I carried sextuplets, I would totally take it. Period. I wouldn't ask for additional surgery, unless I had wicked hemorrhoids. But I think insurance would cover that."

Ya know, in all honesty, I would take the tummy tuck, too. I don't think anyone begrudges Kate that. If it weren't part of a larger pattern of entitlement and greed, I think everyone would be very supportive of that. But trying to squeeze a breast lift out of it, mixed in with every other greedy, it's-all-about-me gesture that we see coming from Kon - well, that's the deal breaker for me.

And mocking your kids on national TV, condoning videos of their nudity and meltdowns on YouTube and seeing them repeatedly disregard their children's needs while proclaiming loudly and proudly that they would do anything for them. Sorry, folks, that's just flat out wrong.

iluveeyore said...

What would the response be if someone were to ask J/K what they thought of the commandment to "honor thy father and thy mother"?

Anonymous said...

We like watching LPBW. It does have its flaws, but it's more tolerable than this show. I wanted to point out that Little People is not a Figure 8 show. (Does that make a difference?)

Anonymous said...

You are right. I was giving Kon way too much credit there. I don't think society matters much to them nor a scientific inquiry. They are all about money and fame. Attractive? Not to me.
Barbara in VA

wthiswrongwithher said...

This site is made up of some former (sad) fans that have had to turn away (me), and many people with a real disdain for the show. Obviously “reality television” is an oxymoron, there is no such thing. That being said, where anywhere on the internet or in other media, are the people who know and love the Gosselins? Why aren’t the people who really know them rallying for them against the negative things in the media? Maybe they have, and I missed it, but all the positive attention I see if from fans who, obviously, don’t know them, or from the company who distributes their series. This makes me sad. Are there no church members, neighbors, friends, family members, former co-workers, sorority sisters, college roommates…anybody who will defend their character when it is attacked publically? Is their no one in their community that can illustrate them giving back? Surely she has given her baby gear and kids’ clothes to a charity, individual, or mothers of multiples group since it was donated to her. The press about her selling it all is unbelievable. Who did she donate to? Why don’t they speak up? Can’t someone who doesn’t even love them but has just dealt with them professionally speak up to say they were pleasant? Many people think what’s seen in the media is false rumors and outright lies about the family. Whether they are or aren’t, where are their defenders who KNOW them?

Sharla said...

Sad to say I don't think there are any left. If there were surely we'd have heard from at least a couple by now.

Anonymous said...

Discoball said, "Am I the only one that thought it was hilarious that the "thank you" gift they gave the swim teacher was a signed picture of themselves?

"I'm going to try using signed pictures of myself as tokens of my appreciation and see how far that gets me."

I'll take one! I'm sure I'll enjoy it for years to come, ha, ha! And you know Christmas isn't far away. Great post.

As for the LPBW show, I really like Amy. She seems like a warm-hearted, loving mom and wife who would be a wonderful friend, too. She tries to instill good behaviour, good manners, the importance of doing homework and chores, in a firm but nice way. It's obvious she loves her children dearly. Neither she nor her husband, Matt, or their son have had an easy life, as we know. But they seem like the kind of family which would quickly extend a helping hand to others in need. We need more people like them in the world. Bravo!

Rorie said...

Wow, what a well-written and well-thought-out forum. It's refreshing.
A lot of you have labeled Jon & Kate as selfish and greedy, and I agree (although I think Kate is the mastermind and Jon just goes along with the plan--I mean, would you cross that woman's path?). Think about it--this is a couple who had fertility treatments in their early twenties--well before the national average--and conceived two healthy daughters. Then they had another set of fertility treatments (as if the first two kids weren't plenty) and conceived six kids. They act as if it were some dang-darn miracle, as if fertility treatments don't often produce large sets of multiples, and they were "blessed," when in fact they were part of the manipulation to have that number of children. Now they're out to cash in.

The kids are adorable and J & K are blessed to have eight healthy and well-adjusted children (for the most part--that Maddie is another story). I don't fault anyone for using fertility treatments if they so desire. But it's not as if Jon and Kate didn't have a hand in practically manufacturing their family. I guess we shouldn't be surprised by the greedy behavior now, as it was always there.