Kate Gosselin: A Woman of Deep Faith

Part One:

I have posted here before, but I would like to keep my name off of this entry. Additionally, what I'm about to share was told to me by someone intimately involved with the issue. This person doesn't wish to answer any questions, but they would like the record to be set straight. They are tired of the lies perpetuated by Jon and Kate.

#1 - Kate's disdain for family is not an entirely passive pursuit. The incident with Aunt Jodi being a perfect example: Kate set an arbitrary limit (no gum, except when Kate personally gives it to the kids) and then aggressively bitched out Jodi for getting gum on the bear. This was not the first incident where Kate gave Jodi rules that were only rules for Jodi. In fact, depending on who you are, the rules can change quite dramatically. These subjective and autocratic rules are the reason why the extended family is not "actively involved". Kate was confronted by more than one member of her family a while back and those who dared question her were dismissed. But, it doesn't stop there. If that were the end of it, then this person wouldn't have come forward. The problem is that Kate never forgets a slight and will continue to use it as ammunition long after the original grievance. Understandably, people tire of this treatment very, very quickly. Many of the extended family are hurt by the cold shoulder that has been extended to them. Some have even chosen to remove themselves from the kids lives as they feel that bouncing in-and-out at the whim of an arbitrary dictator would cause the children more harm than good. Children deserve stability. Even if the stability includes a lack of extended, familial support.

#2 - The "fender bender". Kate has allegedly claimed that she was fearful of stopping to exchange information because she didn't want to be recognized. She felt "unsafe". Keep in mind, this accident did not happen on a busy interstate or bridge or location wherein pulling over or finding a parking lot was impossible. Does she really imagine herself to be such a celebrity that she fears people who SHE bumps? It would be understandable if someone purposefully tail-gated or rear ended her (or otherwise made her feel stalked/followed). But, I seriously doubt that everyone in Pennsylvania is driving around hoping to get hit by one of the Gosselins. This is a weak excuse and further illustrates the lack of reality based thinking.

#3 - The signs on the lawn became the talk of the neighborhood. The general consensus was that it was a step towards promoting the "fears" she has for her family. However, interestingly, she didn't stop any of the delivery men who came to the door with freebies. A couple of neighbors suspect that the signs were, in part, a reaction to kids in the neighborhood who wanted to play or see the house/'tups/twins. Granted, having kids on your lawn when you don't want them there is annoying. However, if you don't wish for your children to form friendships in their neighborhood, then maybe you should not play in plain sight on your drive-way and give pedestrians the evil eye as they dare walk past your home or drive by your home. Other people live in that neighborhood.

#4 - At a recent family outing, a child came over to the family and asked for an autograph. The family was not eating or engaged in something that required their attention, but waiting for cameras to be set and shots framed. The child was rudely turned away and, supposedly, Kate was heard to remark that the "child needed to learn privacy and manners". I think anyone who seeks out a reality show and accepts repeated and constant donations from the public should learn how to smile and give a child, who likely was very excited to see someone from television, a freakin' autograph! Adults should know better, sure. A child? That's a little different. It would've taken a moment to be kind. That's it.

In conclusion, I believe that the edges are starting to fray. If you desire an isolated, private existence, then do as the Dilleys and other families with multiples have done: turn the cameras away or limit the intrusion to occasional updates. People who have donated substantial money, time, and goodwill do not deserved to be treated as second class citizens. For all that the G's have been given, they show no effort to give anything back. Would it kill them to give an autograph without a cover charge? Or, how about giving one of their freebie trips to a family who has a relative in hospice? What about giving the hand-me-downs to a homeless shelter or children's temporary custody home? I'm not going to play the Christian card on them. After all, that's not our job. But, I don't think it's crossing the line to suggest a bit of humility or consideration for human beings less fortunate. Thank you for allowing me this vent.

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Part Two:

Truth Will Set You Free, thank you putting yourself out there to say what needs to be said. From what I've heard, seen, and experienced about Jon and Kate, they have no concept of the phrase "Get over it!" That makes them people I have no desire to expose myself to. When I used to my real name to post, I got a shit storm of nasty-grams from someone who I'm almost positive was either Jon or Kate. I don't fear the e-mails. But, I do think that once this cookie crumbles, they'll start looking for legal recourse from the people who gave out this sort of info.

Kate has an iron trap memory and will never, never, ever take ownership for her words or actions. It's far easier to kill the messenger. That's part of the passive-aggressive behavior. She claims that the world is out to get her or that some of what has been said is personal. She can't answer to the issue or a critique; but, she can shun, twist, and manipulate people.

Maybe you can confirm, or deny, the following behaviors/actions?

An ex-friend (and helper) of the Gosselins said that Kate looks over the kids head-to-toe after they've been with Jodi because Jodi was "too permissive and didn't watch the kids as well" as she (Kate) does. Kate told this same person that people who've been on the show should have no reason to complain about how they've been treated because she was "gracious" enough to allow them to travel with them on fun trips. But, this rings contrary to what we've seen on television. During the Disney World trip, and despite the fact that it was a fully covered trip with no expenses, Kate would not allow anyone to pick up the rooms that the helpers were staying at. These women were in no way compensated for their help and Kate believes that just being taken along was compensation enough. I have no doubt that these women volunteered to help. They are good and decent people who know how to look past someone's flaws and see the bigger picture (the children's happiness).

But, we're seeing a pattern of Kate going out of her way to be unkind and, at times, completely dismissive of the people who help her. Jon allows her to do this which makes me question his integrity. It's not a male power (husband is always right) thing... he shouldn't have to the power to veto all of her decisions or share an opinion. But, as a spouse, you should attempt to help each other grow and become the best people they can be. Jon should wake-up and see just how bad this situation is getting. But, in a sense, I think he deals with Kate much like an ostrich that sticks it's head in the sand. It's easier to agree with her and hop on her delusional bandwagon that it is to correct/critique her or speak up. He's guilty by association and tolerance for poor behavior.

When I heard about their potential move, I was not surprised. In fact, some locals called it as much as 18 months ago. Many people who surrounded the Gosselins with love, support, and...let's be frank, cash and freebies, are done. Stick a fork in them. Kate uses someone until they question her. Then she dumps them and moves on. There are few in this town who still regard them with respect. For the people in their locale, this isn't about a TV show or the G's fame. It's about being treated like garbage. It's the fact that they have to put up with this egotistical nonsense first hand. Kate exhausts people (Ha! Maybe her use of the word reveals more than we think?). Moving will give her a relatively clean slate. She'll have an entirely new population to take advantage of and con into believing that their life is one difficulty after another. Kate's like a wild fire that burns through a forest at epic speeds and destructiveness. Like the burnt forest, it takes a long time to repair the damage and get back to normal.

Blog entry created from comments posted by
BK.

184 comments:

Rachel said...

Thank you for posting this. To me, it confirms what I have already suspected, that Kate is a not very nice word that rhymes with witch.

Anonymous said...

Although I am very greatful to all the people close to the situation for revealing insider information to the public. And I know it takes these people alot of courage to do so. IMO there was nothing really revealing in this post. IMO it was issues that we the public are already aware of, only written in a different tone. There were some very valid points to be taken away, a little added info to what we already know, but IMO nothing very "Juicey" so to speak.

That said, once again I would like to say THANK YOU to the insiders that are speaking out. Keep your heads high, we're all behind you!

grapecrush said...

There may not be new information here, but the insight from the insider gives me an ounce of relief that we are correct in our observations.
The mere fact that we only see 22 minutes of their life per week, and can still see through the G's facade, does confirm to me we are not the crazy ones. They are.
Thank you for your honesty.

Serena said...

Yes, this is not "new information" -- as it says at the bottom of the post, the blog entry was created from comments already published here.

Due to the heavy volume of comments and how quickly blog entries move off the home page, we realize that many times things get lost in the shuffle and that even the most avid of readers might miss something.

So about once a week or so, we pull particularly compelling comments out from the depths below and feature them on the front page as a main blog entry.

Mom 'o 4 said...

I would like to thank you Serena and al who provide "inside" information. You are really providing ANOTHER FREEBIE for Kate and her family. She is being told exactly how she acts and how her actions are affecting her children.I have no doubt she reads this blog,people like her can't resist reading about themselves. Take this in Kate, no one here has a reason to lie to you or about you. Protect your kids,get them off this ride.

beachluvin said...

When they move, I can't imagine volunteers lining up to help Kate as they have in the past. I'm not referring to the bad press but the fact that the sextuplets will most likely be 5 years old when they move and there simply isn't the need as there is when they were infants. Evidently, they have worn out their welcome in their current town but I'm sure it won't be long before the good folks of their new location realize what their true intentions are. I believe Jon and Kate will make a critical error in judgement that will result in the termination of their show. Now that Kate thinks of herself as a big celebrity, I can see her trying to hold out like the cast of Friends did and Figure 8 will bail just like everyone else close to her has. If the rumors are true that they are moving to N.C. to be closer to Figure 8 Productions, it will be a lonely existence without friends and family once Figure 8 is through with them.

Anonymous said...

I cant imagine why tlc would go through the trouble and expense to move this family near their headquarters. What are they thinking? Kate is looking for a handout for the next 25 yrs!

I feel sorry for anyone who got burned by Kate and Jon. They are not nice people.

Kate.. Get over yourself. You have yourself on such a pedastal and someone will be knocking you down. Its a shame you had to drag innocent children into this mess. I hope the money was worth it.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

Serena--thanks for moving this to a main post. If part 2 was a comment, then I completely missed it.

Jodi asked me to set the record straight on Kate watching the kids--that's Jon's job. Kate isn't involved with the kids AT ALL. Jodi had told me in the past that Kate didn't know which toothbrush each child used, or which ones still wore pull ups. When Jon was still working, Kate would put the kids in front of the TV (although she says they don't watch TV and has made comments about Jodi letting them watch movies) and she also would lock them in their room from 1p-4p for their "nap". The kids were climbing out of their cribs and playing. I can't imagine locking 6 toddlers in a room for 3 hrs--knowing that they're not asleep.

Yes, that is exactly what Kate has said about allowing the helpers to travel with them. The trips were not "fun". They could have been, but not with Kate around. The helpers were "working" the entire time, and it was very stressful for them. Kate expects everyone to do things the way she would and if they don't live up to her "standard", they hear about it. J&K would go out and weren't around when filming was done. The helpers were treated terribly. Kate was constantly making demands and yelling at everyone. Jodi said it was embarassing the way Kate treated everyone they came in contact with. The helpers were not compensated, other than having the "fun, free" trip. When Jodi flew out to Utah, Kate refused to arrange transportation to the airport, so my dad had to drive Jodi to BWI at 4am. Jodi didn't get to enjoy anything on that trip, yet she should be grateful that Kate gave her the opportunity.

Jon and integrity--two words that don't belong in the same sentence.

Everything BK says is exactly my understanding of the situation.

IMHO said...

I will admit that the title frightened me: "Kate, a woman of deep faith". I've read the rules here and I understand that I'm not to post as if this were a Christian blog. I think I can say that I'm a Christian, and it's bothersome to me personally that Kate acts the way she does and is also a Christian woman. I have no doubt that she is, and I'm not interested in discussing her faith, so dear editors, know that this is not my intention. If this comment makes it through, I'll have successfully made that point. What I'm saying is that I was worried you were going to say something along the lines that Kate is making her decisions about her family and this reality show based on her deep faith. That, or that we are somehow missing her spiritual side on this reality show. I haven't seen evidence of either on the show, I'm gathering from your post that your title is tongue in cheek. Therefore, I'm relieved.
TLC shows a variety or programs and doesn't hide true spiritual expression of any faith, so I do not think they are editing J & K's spirituality out of the programming.

So, having said that, I do appreciate your insight. This family we all long to embrace is being protected by "The Kate-inator". But not in the way we would like to see.

Plus, this comment: "the lack of reality based thinking" - made me chuckle. Reality based thinking on a reality show has truly become and oxymoron!

Anonymous said...

Wow, thanks so much to the OP poster or blogger who took the time to write. The insights certainly appear to support what we know about KON.

KON is definitely a piece of work. Little by little their fiefdom is imploding, damaged from within.

The comment about how she was rude to the child reminded me of something I read about KON. Kelly Ripa attended some type of function in NYC and the Gosselins were there. Kelly made a gracious comment to Kate about how much she enjoyed the show, etc and Kate supposedly dissed Kelly.

Anonymous said...

This is a followup comment to the story about KON locking the kids in their rooms for afternoon naps. One of the first specials showed Jon leaving for work at 6 am and Kate slept until 8 am. The tups were over a year old. I'm guessing 16 to 18 months old. The twins were about 4.
The private nurse the state of PA paid for was probably gone. They had the nurse for a year.

I'm guessing she did not get the kids out of their cribs until 8:30 or 9 am. The video showed the tups standing or sitting passively in their cribs like orphans in a Russian orphanage. Apparently the tups were used to this.

Normal mothers actually get up with their kids at whatever hour the kids wake up.
She was neglecting the tups and twins several years ago per that episode.
I knew something was amiss with Kate when I saw that special. It was shocking to see.

fvr4mvp said...

What I don't understand is how this show can still be viewed as a reality TV show when everything is dictated and controlled?

Reality means showing Kate as her true self not edited out for others to perceive them differently. And that goes for the rest of the family as well.

When I started watching this show, it was because I wanted to see how a family of this size functioned. How much do you try to save in groceries? How you deal with discipline? How did you get all of the children on a schedule?

Early episodes showed a more realistic picture. One of my favorite was when they were feeding all of the tups at a table that was made to hold them.

Most families of 10 in this country don't have helpers, personal chefs, nannies, laundry doers, and an income from a TV show to help them survive. Most families of 10 do not get to take their children to amusement parks and events because of the cost involved.

There will come a day when this show will not be filmed anymore as the kids get older. With Kate eliminating her family, what is she going to do when the tups grow up and she finds herself with just Jon?

If the light bulb does not turn on quickly, it will be a sad, sad thing.

Anonymous said...

' If the rumors are true that they are moving to N.C. to be closer to Figure 8 Productions, it will be a lonely existence without friends and family once Figure 8 is through with them."

J & K have no regard for what may potentially lie ahead of them in the future. They are truly hedonistic in that they are constantly in pursuit of what is good and pleasurable at the MOMENT to the exclusion of any potential consequences. Their incessant desire for fortune and fame will ultimately come at a cost. Unfortunately, those who will pay the most are their very own children.

my9cats said...

WOW. Thanks Julie and Jodi for the 'real deal'. It certainly explains why the kids are so shocked or startled when Kate suddenly decides to show affection Especially the boys. Faked affection at that. What a loss in their lives of Jodi and family, and Beth and friends. This couple is in for a rude awakening.

aly,benji n siennas mom said...

How despicable can a women/mother be? It is an honor in today’s world to be able to be a stay at home mom and she can't appreciate that?
Locking your children up for a nap when they aren't even sleeping instead of sitting down reading them a book, playing a game or just clowning around with them great parenting there Kate. It is sad to think how the children will turn out

sugarjay said...

Wow, I knew Kate was a rude bitch, but to make comments about a child who wanted an autograph and then have the audacity to bring up privacy? Bitch, please. You have a camera crew following your family, privacy is not in the equation anymore. Seriously, how can Kate make statements like that when she has allowed her children to be filmed doing everything, inclulding while on the potty and in the shower? If I was that child who wanted an autograph's mother I would go directly up to Kate and tell her EXACTLY what I thought.

Anonymous said...

You know, I was thinking that Kate would reap what she's sowed by setting the example that the answer to family conflict is to simply cut those family members out of your life--when the kids grow old enough to see her actions for what they are, they'll do as they've been taught and cut KATE out. But now that I've read that Kate isn't even involved with the kids at all, maybe she won't care?

seashell said...

I'd like to thank Julie and BK for their courage in providing such valuable insight.

This post makes me question even more the rabid Kate supporters. Even if you think this woman is supermom/mom of the year/etc...how can they support someone so completely devoid of common decency? Kate is so arrogant and her sense of entitlement is out of control.

I will NEVER understand how this woman could be looked upon as a hero.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

"Kelly Ripa attended some type of function in NYC and the Gosselins were there. Kelly made a gracious comment to Kate about how much she enjoyed the show, etc and Kate supposedly dissed Kelly."

Yes--this is true. Jodi was in the room with Kate and said it was extremely embarassing. Kate acted like the celebrities were coming to meet HER. She didn't introduce herself or Jodi to anyone.

Anonymous said...

Serena said...
Yes, this is not "new information" -- as it says at the bottom of the post, the blog entry was created from comments already published here.

Sorry I didn't realize that when I wrote my first comment about there not being any new infomation.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...
...and she also would lock them in their room from 1p-4p for their "nap".

That is heinous, no child should ever be locked in a room IMO. I used to know a woman that did that to her son and I couldn't stand it!
Thank you for the 'new' info Truth, although it makes me cringe and wish there was more I could do for the twins and the 'tups. Those poor, poor children.

Barbara said...

Thank you GWoP. All of you guys do a great job and a tremendous amount of time consuming work reading and then commenting on all this. You are truly appreciated. You have provided a lot of information that everyone is interested in and in an easy to access and read format. Much better than a forum with all the pictures and slogans taking up so much space. The Gosselin's are quickly self-destructing because of their own actions. I think we can all pretty much see now that the "issues" with family members being absent are not any deep, dark secrets but rather a hyper-controlling person who believes her own press releases and considers herself now a STAR and who has cut off those family members who had the audacity to confront her. Thanks again guys for a great blog!

SmartyQ said...

I'm guessing she did not get the kids out of their cribs until 8:30 or 9 am. The video showed the tups standing or sitting passively in their cribs like orphans in a Russian orphanage. Apparently the tups were used to this.
Kate said that a favorite Alexis moment was when she returned from her tummy tuck and walked into the tups' room. Alexis was standing in her crib and kept saying, Hi, Mommy! Hi, Mommy!'

Tender moment, right? It might have been except that Alexis never raised her arms to indicate she wished Kate to pick her up and hold her. Alexis hadn't seen Kate for many days; she obviously recognized her; she was happy to see her; but Alexis seemed to know to ask to be held by her mother wouldn't get her anywhere. Moreover, no other tup put up his/her arms—not even Hannah.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but I'm a "normal mother" and I don't get up when my kids do. Kate shouldn't be hung for that.

Actually, moms who hop-to the minute their children make noise are doing the child a great disservice. My kids have always sat happily in their cribs in the morning while I wake up and catch a shower. Russian orphanage? Hardly! They play with toys, talk, and sing. The tubs did the same thing.

I just don't think it's fair for that kind of assessment to be made of moms who don't dash down the hall first thing in the morning. I've been a mom for many years and I savor every precious second I get in my quiet, warm bed in the morning.

Yepperpepper said...

As controlling as Kate is, how can anyone expect her to do a "real" reality show? She definitely would not want anyone to see her without her plastered hairsprayed, gelled, moussed coif being fried, dyed and laid to the side! (Pun intended). Of course there are no cameras around to see that. She may very well get up earlier, but stay in her room to make herself camera ready! Appearance matters, you know!

As far as the move goes, she will probably have a few people to reach out to her initially. She is, after all, moving to the south, and they are big on hospitality. However, those kids are big enough now that she can get by without help. She needed help while the 'tups were still toddling. But at preschool age, she should be able to survive. And if they have time to go to the gym and take trips with the kids individually, they should have time for a "real" day at home with Kate catching up laundry, cooking an actual meal, and washing some dishes.

I would think she would have needed more help when she was trying to get bottles and bibs and several outfits per child washed, folded and put away. The kids aren't messing up anything now because they are forbidden to stain their clothes! She should be able to handle them now without help. And Jon's home all day, put his butt to use!

Sad said...

This has really answered a lot of questions for me. Thank you for your truthfulness and honesty.
Kate's aversion to her children explains:
How a mother choses to fly across country when her children are sick.
Why we never see her on the couch with a good book and all her children piled around her.
Why she treats the tups like expensive collectible dolls.
Why she cuts people out of her life who see the truth and call her on it.
One day she is going to find herself very lonely. Money can't buy happiness.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this blog and also to Jodi and Julie for their honesty. It is the ONLY way, I believe, that Figure 8 will realize that the gig is soon to be up on this family.

Jon and Kate will never pull the plug on this show. Figure 8 will end the show when the company realizes that the fallout will affect their bottom line. Because when the truth is finally exposed in the mainstream media -- Figure 8 will be tarred as being complicit in this exploitation of young children.

Anonymous said...

Wow! I tell you what. I learn something new each day about this family, especially Kate, because of this blog. THANK YOU!

LFW said...

I too thank you BK for this revealing blog. I do have a question for both you and Truth. Was Kate always like this or did she become this ego-maniac once she and the family began getting media coverage?

From what I've seen from she and Jon's home videos, she seemed to bright and happy and carefree, not the shrew she is today. I have always wondered about that.

discoball said...

The more I hear from people with inside info, the sadder it makes me. It was apparent to me that Kate was hands off, especially with the boys, but to not even know which of your kids is still in pull ups? Geez. And then to have the nerve to check the kids head to toe after they were generously cared for by Jodi because she doesn't watch the kids as well as Kate does? What planet is she on?

Unfortunately I really don't see the gravy train ending anytime soon. There are enough casual viewers of the show who don't know the real behind the scenes details to keep the show going for a while. Especially if we are going to see more of the fake Kate thanks to the PR firm's influence and if the questionable episodes are not going to be rerun (cupcakegate anyone?).

Regarding the unwanted attention, Kate needs to learn that you have to take the good with the bad. If she wants the fame and fortune from appearing on TV as herself with her family, then she is going to have to deal with people talking to her in public about how they saw her on TV. ESPECIALLY if she is making her living off of love offerings and receiving donations from the public. It's not like she's an actress or something who plays a part and then goes home to her family and wants to keep her family private. She is only famous BECAUSE of her children and the fact that she parades them around as part of her "real life" on TV. So when people see her out and about it's completely expected that people are going to try to talk to her. Nobody's spitting on her. Nobody's yelling at her. These are her FANS saying hey I love your show. And that's how the fans are treated? Yikes. It was the same thing with her kids. She desperately wanted more after the twins, then she got more than she bargained for, and now she doesn't want to be bothered with the details of raising them. She likes that they bring her fame and fortune but she doesn't actually want to do the parenting part.

Anonymous said...

What I would like to know is, Was she always like this? Even before the cameras were turned on?

It just makes me wonder if she would be like this to people, and her children, even if she only 3 or 4 and there were no cameras. Would she still not know her own children and pawn them off on someone else? It makes me feel sorry for her that she feels the need to treat people like this.

Serena said...

What I'm saying is that I was worried you were going to say something along the lines that Kate is making her decisions about her family and this reality show based on her deep faith. That, or that we are somehow missing her spiritual side on this reality show. I haven't seen evidence of either on the show, I'm gathering from your post that your title is tongue in cheek.

Yup. ;)

Tender moment, right? It might have been except that Alexis never raised her arms to indicate she wished Kate to pick her up and hold her. Alexis hadn't seen Kate for many days; she obviously recognized her; she was happy to see her; but Alexis seemed to know to ask to be held by her mother wouldn't get her anywhere. Moreover, no other tup put up his/her arms—not even Hannah.

Wasn't that stunning? I can't think of a single time I've ever approached my children when they were toddlers that they didn't put their arms up in expectation of being embraced or picked up. Yet not a single 'tup standing in those cribs gave any indication of such an expectation.

Shanaynay Vandelay said...

I'm a special ed teacher, and during my time off this summer I've been watching the show and reading this blog. I have to say, at first I watched the show just because I missed my students ... I don't have kids of my own, and I was having trouble adjusting to the quietness of my home in the summer. I feel as if I grew attached to the kids, and wanted to learn more about them and their situation (being a new viewer). As I've learned more, however, I've become very, very sad about the whole situation. Kate displays all the symptoms of a mother with borderline personality disorder (there's a great book about that -- she'd be classified as a witch, not a martyr according to the author). Jon seems to truly enjoy his kids, but doesn't have the intenstinal (or testicular) fortitude to take Kate aside and give her a much-needed intervention. I had a mother like Kate, and trust me, it's not a pleasant experience. You learn to walk on eggshells, worry yourself sick, look over your shoulder, and even make decisions based solely upon not wanting to get "in trouble" like you did when you were little. My dad used to give in to my mom, too .... but the minute he stood up to her -- finally -- her eyes opened. This real view of herself led her to leave, because it was easier to cut us off than to fix herself. Seeing how Kate has done the same thing with other family members, I can only hope she doesn't do that with her kids and husband. On the other hand ... my brother and I did much better with just our father. It was as though someone had finally given us oxygen after 14 years .... sorry to ramble. Just want you to know what happens when this goes on without help. I'll continue to watch and keep up with this blog. Great job everyone!

Serena said...

Several people have mentioned "signs in their yard"...what kind of signs? Like no trespassing? I think I must have missed a post on that.

The sign was discussed here in a previous blog entry. It has since been removed from their yard.

MrsRef said...

If this is true, I feel more for that family than I did before. I have a mother who dismissed everyone who did not do what she wanted, grandparents, friends, etc. She dismissed me for the last time 31 years ago. Sadly she missed all three of my children growing up, graduations, weddings etc because she can't or won't deal with people she can no longer control. The worst part was that my step-father stood by and watched her do it. She also did it to my siblings. I have zero respect for my step-father and if Jon doesn't watch out, his kids will feel the same way about him. So incredibly sad.

sistah2 said...

IFW said: "From what I've seen from she and Jon's home videos, she seemed to bright and happy and carefree, not the shrew she is today."

I disagree. I thought those old home vidoes were very telling. She seemed self-obsessed then, narcissistic and vain. Who sets up a video camera and tapes themselves opening presents? Sorry, I think it showed an early inclination of the monster we see today. Remember the weird video Jon HAD to take of her twirling down Main St. when she went to Disney on honeymoon? This is a woman in her 20s! Then he video'd her saying " Lets go shopping for more STUFF!" Who does this?

Anonymous said...

I also noticed that the kids looked stunned when she came back from her surgery, with hair lightened, etc...She had to show them with her voice that it was she. I remember thinking that none of them clamored for her or raised up their arms. The other posters are right about spotting this.
About the TV watching: I don't have a problem with kids watching TV at all. Balanced with outdoor play it is great. But I think she claims that they hardly every see TV; but they all knew all of the Sesame characters, and on the last trip, as she was in the garage, sending one of the boys up to nap...she told him to go and rest and watch TV.
Probably he didn't want to nap...but she suggested that he go rest and watch TV. So, she contradicts herself constantly, just like the floor cleaning thing. She claimed that she washed the kitchen floor 3 times a day; then when someone questioned that, she said she never said it. Then they did a rerun and it showed her saying that she did it 3times a day. These certainly aren't big issues...why spin tales?

Anonymous said...

Can I ask Jodi's sister if she knows what Kate tells her kids (especially Mady & Cara) what happens to these people that they were once close to? Like Beth, Talia, Jodi, etc.?

Serena said...

I think you should have links up on the sidebar of the names of the sponsors who sponsor this show, as well as links to Figure8's email as well as TLC's. For, you know, people who want to do more than complain about these parents horrible behavior and actually try to do something and voice our opinions about this crazy ride these kids are on and about the "parents" (and after reading this blog I use that term loosely) that are at the wheel.

People are already doing this. Most people are capable of doing more than one thing -- they can read here, post here, AND contact sponsors... even without links on our sidebar.

Anonymous said...

"People are already doing this. Most people are capable of doing more than one thing -- they can read here, post here, AND contact sponsors... even without links on our sidebar."

Wasn't meant to be snarky, sorry it came across that way and I can tell by the tone of your response, you're being sarcastic. Not necessary. Alot of people have come to this blog by way of another message board this link was posted at, including myself. Alot (like me) don't know the names of sponsors (only Gap) and some on that board just voiced a concern and wanted to have quick access to the sponsors to email because, believe it or not, not everyone knows all the names of them, or has the time to scour the internet or rewatch the shows just to look at the fine print of the names of the companies that flash on the screen for 1/2 second, or to find the production company's email (most don't know the name of that either. Alot thought it was exclusive to TLC.) It was just a simple suggestion. Sorry!

beachluvin said...

the truth will set you free
said:
"Jodi asked me to set the record straight on Kate watching the kids--that's Jon's job. Kate isn't involved with the kids AT ALL. Jodi had told me in the past that Kate didn't know which toothbrush each child used, or which ones still wore pull ups."
As narcissistic as Kate is, this statement is hard to fathom. Kate is such a control freak, I can't imagine that she isn't involved with the kids AT ALL. At Sesame Place, she was freaking out over the way John put a towel in the stroller, she is a complete control freak and everything has to be done her way. Although, it makes sense she wouldn't know which kid still wore pull-ups because it is probably one of the boys.

"the truth will set you free"
said:
"When Jodi flew out to Utah, Kate refused to arrange transportation to the airport, so my dad had to drive Jodi to BWI at 4am. Jodi didn't get to enjoy anything on that trip, yet she should be grateful that Kate gave her the opportunity.".
Did Kevin have to take the day off work to care for their 4 kids? What on earth is Jodi supposed to be grateful for? If I remember from the episode, Jodi was only in Utah less than 24 hours and didn't partake in the "spa day" with her and Beth.

anonymous 8:54
said:
"Kelly Ripa attended some type of function in NYC and the Gosselins were there. Kelly made a gracious comment to Kate about how much she enjoyed the show, etc and Kate supposedly dissed Kelly".
I'm surprised she dissed Kelly, I thought she would be doing some butt kissing so that she could get acquire a free trip to New York to appear on "Live with Regis and Kelly". The show would probably want all 10 to appear and it's not exactly what Kate wants these days, especially with no free helpers.

Anonymous said...

I have written to TLC, sponsors, the book publisher Zondervan and others just by going to their web sites and looking for the link " Contact us".
Click through the links and you can write comments to your hearts content.
I have written numerous times to TLC in this fashion.
I have written to Paul Peterson in this fashion.
Sometimes you get an automatic email response.
I received a couple of personalized responses from their sponsors including the Juicy Juice people.
Please take time to write on behalf of these poor kids

hellokitty said...

I just wanted to take a moment and say thank you to Julie and BK for sharing their stories. :)

Tracy said...

One of Kate's comments that has bothered me for a very long time now was when she and Jon were argueing in the garage. (Can't remember exactly what episode or even what season for that matter.) Kate said "Stand with me or stand against me!!" That statement (or rather threat????) spoke volumes to me about her true personality. It was almost as if she was saying "You know how vicious I can be, I dare you to go against me!" Personally, I think her entire family needs to hold an intervention and give everyone of them the opportunity to tell her exactly what they think. Maybe it would give Jon the guts to stand up to her and put his foot down once and for all. Something has got to give, for the sake of those kids!

Serena said...

Wasn't meant to be snarky, sorry it came across that way

As I read your comment I thought I detected hostility... it looks like I was wrong and I apologize for my unwarranted answer.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

"Can I ask Jodi's sister if she knows what Kate tells her kids (especially Mady & Cara) what happens to these people that they were once close to? Like Beth, Talia, Jodi, etc.?"

I asked Jodi this very question. She said they'll just make up some awful story about them, or lead the kids to believe they didn't want to have a relationship with them. I couldn't believe this. I asked her if that's really what she thought would happen. She said "Absolutely!" and I asked her why and she said "because that's what they do".

Of course, this upsets Jodi. I told her that at least she'll know that the kids will be able to look back on the episodes that she was on and it will be evident how much Jodi loves them.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

"As narcissistic as Kate is, this statement is hard to fathom. Kate is such a control freak, I can't imagine that she isn't involved with the kids AT ALL."

This is the way it is when they're at home. She probably still tries to control things, but she's very "hands off" with the kids. She bosses Jon around and tells him what to do, but she doesn't pick up a finger to do anything herself.

"Did Kevin have to take the day off work to care for their 4 kids? What on earth is Jodi supposed to be grateful for? If I remember from the episode, Jodi was only in Utah less than 24 hours and didn't partake in the "spa day" with her and Beth."

My parents would watch Jodi's children when she traveled with them. Jodi was supposed to be grateful for being "allowed" to help them.

"I'm surprised she dissed Kelly, I thought she would be doing some butt kissing so that she could get acquire a free trip to New York to appear on "Live with Regis and Kelly"."

Kate doesn't know how to be gracious. She probably didn't even realize she dissed Kelly. Kate doesn't do "butt kissing". She was even mad that they didn't get the freebies she was hoping for when they were on Oprah. They had very high expectations that didn't pan out the way they wanted.

Anonymous said...

This is getting more upsetting all the time. I guess by now, all those who admire this couple have opened their eyes to the reality of what's happening to these young lives.
I really think that these kids will have a LOT of resentment towards their parents when they are grown. And there's no backing up from that. Stop the cameras now!

iluveeyore said...

Despite what many people think, Oprah is a very smart lady.

W&MGrad said...

Just a quick comment to Sistah2's post. I'm not usually one to defend Kate (and after watching the Embarassing Moments episode earlier today--the most painful 30 minutes of my life!), I'm surprised I am.

About videotaping gift opening--I remember that scene and thought they/Jon (she said once on another looking back episode that Jon was the one videotaping everyone) was taping because he wanted to capture his proposal. I don't think that particular moment was a sign of narcissistic behavior on Kate's part.

Speaking of that terrible episode, I started wondering something. Was Kate a hands-off mother when she just had the twins? My guess is that she wasn't. If you compare Cara and Mady at age 4 to the 'tups, it's amazing that they came from the same family.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Truth! I went on the Oprah message boards after their show and saw a bunch of comments complaining that Oprah didnt give the gosselins freebies and that is what the show is known for. There were also mails that said that it was hard work to pack up the kids and travel for only a 15 minute show and no freebies. I was shocked!! I thought it was Jon or someone connected to the gosselins (the posts were misspelled and repetative) and the greedy tone of the comments were extremely offputting and contradictory to the "Christian" tone Kate had on the show. I wonder what Oprah really thought of this family! Truth can you tell us more about the Oprah trip? Did Kate outright ask for anything?

I wonder if Kate dissed Kelly because she is a cute blonde and because Kate is insecure about Jon staying in the marriage. She knows Jon is attracted to blondes. She was mean to the blonde nanny she was trying out and was nice to the dark haired one.

Any insight on that Truth? Thank you for holding strong and confirming what many of us have sensed already.

Anonymous said...

I think that the show will more than likely come to a end next year after the tups turn 5 y/o. Most people will not find them to be as cute as they once were before. Just by reading the post I think that Kate is a true mommy dearest. I dont think that all of their riches will last with eight children and no family support. We all should boycott her book and do not contribute one dime towards it's sale. If you buy the book, then you become part of the problem instead of the solution.
Jon should try to distanc himself from kate he is guilty by association. I think that the National Enquirer needs to do another story on this couple. The accounts of this couples behavior as told by the filming crew. They are with them the most they probably have the real deal that would get this show cancelled. Once this show has ended I will never view TLC the same again. TLC, Figure 8,and Jon all lack intergrity.

Anonymous said...

iluveeyore said: Despite what many people think, Oprah is a very smart lady.

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I personally find Oprah annoying and loathsome, but I have to agree here. She is not a sheeple (and will admit it when she has been e.g. James Frey) and is selective in handing out freebies. She mat well be on to J&K. Will be interesting to see if they are invited back as part of the "book tour."

FIONA said...

I just don't think it's fair for that kind of assessment to be made of moms who don't dash down the hall first thing in the morning. I've been a mom for many years and I savor every precious second I get in my quiet, warm bed in the morning.

August 8, 2008 10:51 AM
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I think you might have pissed the point...I never made a mad dash in to my daughter either. But I did get my butt out of bed in the morning to take care of her. And I didn't leave in her crib for hours unattended. I think the tups to adapt very well to their mother's schedule, instead of the other way around. And they probably were content having each other. I just don't think I would care to hang out in a wet or dirty diaper so my mother can sleep in...but that's just me.

sabrinasmom said...

An ex-friend (and helper) of the Gosselins said that Kate looks over the kids head-to-toe after they've been with Jodi because Jodi was "too permissive and didn't watch the kids as well" as she (Kate) does.

IMO. That's wht she probably tells people, Kate does this because she wants to make sure she has 6 perfect outfits to consign. She could give 2 shits about the kids. She's using Jodi as an excuse. Aunt Jodi loves those kids so much. You can just tell.

Thank you BK and thank you Julie for your insights. Please tell Jodi there are a lot of people who side with her - because she is real and is not trying to appear on television as someone she is clearly not - like Kate.

Janet said...

I just want to comment on a couple of posts on this blog.

I think the reason that Jon sleeps in the basement is because Kate's head has gotten so big, there is no longer ROOM in the bed FOR him!!

And regarding Kate being mad they didn't get any freebies from Oprah and iluveeyore's post "despite what many people think, Oprah is a very smart lady", I TOTALLY agree! She didn't fawn all over them when they were on and I could just sense that Oprah wasn't that impressed. And it could possibly be that Oprah heard about Kate being mad they weren't getting any freebies (just my guess/IMO). Because this was a few months after they appeared on Ellen and Ellen gave all of the kids bicycles. So IMO, I would guess that Kate was thinking because Oprah is known to be generous to her audience and an even bigger star then Ellen, that she expected even better gifts.

And speaking of the bikes Ellen gave them, which were shown on a recent episode(can't remember which one), when Kate was telling the camera that these were the bikes that Ellen gave them "because we can't afford to buy the bikes on our own", or something along those lines, she just continues to lie about everything. Sad, very sad.

Anonymous said...

In response to :
"Can I ask Jodi's sister if she knows what Kate tells her kids (especially Mady & Cara) what happens to these people that they were once close to? Like Beth, Talia, Jodi, etc.?"

IMO, probably the same thing she told Mady on the airplane during the layover on their trip to Utah. "there is nothing they can do because there are so many of us". Similar to the reason given regarding the absence of the grandparents,'they didnt/dont know how to help us'. J & K seem to use the excuse of 'they dont know how to help us' as they see fit. According to J & K, their parents, family and friends dont know how to help, but TLC, Figure 8 Films, product sponsors, businesses, amusement parks, their speaking engagement audiences, and anyone else that utilizes their name (and children) for the sole purpose of monetary gain and profit do!

Anonymous said...

FW said: "From what I've seen from she and Jon's home videos, she seemed to bright and happy and carefree, not the shrew she is today."

I disagree. I thought those old home vidoes were very telling. She seemed self-obsessed then, narcissistic and vain. Who sets up a video camera and tapes themselves opening presents? Sorry, I think it showed an early inclination of the monster we see today. Remember the weird video Jon HAD to take of her twirling down Main St. when she went to Disney on honeymoon? This is a woman in her 20s! Then he video'd her saying " Lets go shopping for more STUFF!" Who does this?

I agree. They said that they documented pretty much everything they did and who does that?
To me, they both seemed really immature. Granted, they were very young, but I don't think they've grown much over the years in terms of maturity and I think Kate's authoritative tone is used to mask the fact that she's not all that bright folks. The first thing my hubby said to me when he heard them on the couch was "she's dumb as a stump, isn't she? She keeps stating the obvious." Yes, dh, she is and she does.

Anonymous said...

Concerning contacting TLC, I've done that and I received the same form response that I'm sure everyone else did. It was really, imho, a brush off.
It said something to the effect that they are not responsible for the content of a reality show as it is not the viewpoint of the network, but that of the film makers. They expressed some sort of pat appreciation for my interest and that was it. Somehow I don't feel reassured that it will make a difference, but I'm glad that I at least tried. Ultimately, I think, the only thing that might make a difference, despite all the diehard KON supporters out there might be to stop watching altogether. We have all made an excellent case for how appalling their behavior is, yet we continue to watch and perpetuate the whole mess. I'm just as guilty folks.
I can't stop myself. I want to watch these kids, but I want them to have their privacy. Have any of the administrators considered attending a speaking engagement and asking them some hard questions or would they recognize you? I'm just curious.

Anonymous said...

When J & K were at Banana Republic she asked him if he enjoyed spending time with her and he hedged a bit and after she prodded him ("I enjoy spending time with you all of the time") he admitted to enjoying it some of the time and after further prodding, most of the time...but...in a really placating manner. "Yes, Kate, I enjoy spending time with you most of the time..."

Anonymous said...

"I cant imagine why tlc would go through the trouble and expense to move this family near their headquarters"

TLC is not located in NC, but Figure 8 Productions is, in Carrboro, which is near the Chapel Hill/Raleigh/Durham area.

"She is, after all, moving to the south, and they are big on hospitality."

Well, if they're moving to the Carrboro area, it's located in an area of the state heavily populated with transplanted Yankees (and I say that as one of those transplanted Yankees ;)). In fact the nickname for Cary, another town in the area is "City of All Relocated Yankees." So they'll find the area more similar to PA than the classic perception of "the South." Which may be the appeal.

green said...

Thank you BK and The Truth Will Set You Free (Julie) for having the courage to come out and let people know what is really happening. I have often seen on other sites people coming up with reasons or excuses for the behavior and actions I see on the show. I thought there was more going on than exhaustion or having 8. Like others have already mentioned, the episode that bothered me was when the children are up in their cribs while Kate is still in bed. I too thought it was strange that none of the children made a commotion (crying) to get some attention in the morning. They just seemed to be waiting. As well as when Kate came home from her surgery and none of the children seemed to raise their arms to her. Sadly, it is the children who will lose out in the end.

beachluvin said...

anonymous 5:22 said:
"Remember the weird video Jon HAD to take of her twirling down Main St. when she went to Disney on honeymoon? This is a woman in her 20s! Then he video'd her saying " Lets go shopping for more STUFF!" Who does this?"
You actually can hear Kate saying "Jon, film me" married only a few days and she's already barking orders at her husband. In the same episode, Jon mentions that he had a girlfriend when he met Kate, does anyone know what happened to her? Was it a serious relationship? Did he just dump her or did Kate order him to? I couldn't imagine having to watch the boyfriend that dumped me on television being treated like a whipping boy buy the woman (or girl) who stole him away. Even back then, they both demonstrated a lack of integrity.

Chris said...

Total speculation ahead but thought I'd share...

Could it be that another reason why J & K are moving to NC is so they can homeschool easier than in PA? The laws for PA are with high regulation, but in NC the laws are more moderate. I found it odd that Kate said that they were doing projects all over the place in the home in last week's episode. Of course you never actually see Kate doing projects with the kids, but she's throwing it out there that she's, in some shape or form, doing projects (preschool, hands-on?) and that could lead into a homeschooling type path for the tups. That would surely prolong this show and the gravy train for Kon if that's so.

Another way to keep this train arolling for Kon is to adopt. Kate's always wanted just one baby. I could so see them on an adventure to Korea or China adopting their "one" child and having the episodes center around that and bringing in a new baby into the home and watching the interaction and reaction from the tups and twins.

Again, total speculation but certainly a way for this spectacle to continue on...

pokie said...

anonymous said: 'and I think Kate's authoritative tone is used to mask the fact that she's not all that bright folks.'

On the contrary. I believe Kate is shrewd with a high IQ who knows what she wants and how to get it at any cost. Many anti-socials are this way. They can't function in society, but they're not intellectually stupid. In Kate's case, she's also evil.

Anonymous said...

W&MGrad said...
Speaking of that terrible episode, I started wondering something. Was Kate a hands-off mother when she just had the twins? My guess is that she wasn't. If you compare Cara and Mady at age 4 to the 'tups, it's amazing that they came from the same family.

Mady & Cara were extremely verbal and very good beginning readers in the first special. The little ones were about 15 months old (Possibly filmed in June or July), which would have made Mady & Cara, whose birthday is in October, almost 5. The ‘tups just turned 4 and have had no pre-school. I’m sure they’ll catch up.

Anonymous said...

Yes, as far as the travels...I was thinking that NEXT they would go on a trip to Korea so that the tups and the twins could see where their ancestors came from.
That would be a big trip, and the show could get a lot of mileage out of the happenings there.

queenie said...

anonymous said: 'and I think Kate's authoritative tone is used to mask the fact that she's not all that bright folks.'

pokie said: 'On the contrary. I believe Kate is shrewd with a high IQ who knows what she wants and how to get it at any cost. Many anti-socials are this way. They can't function in society, but they're not intellectually stupid. In Kate's case, she's also evil.'


What you say is true, but in Kate's case I vote 'not that bright,' and I usually refer to her as a dim bulb. Both of them, actually. I think she may be smart in the ways that she needs to be, meaning I think she has a talent for manipulation, but I do not agree on the IQ or shrewdness. She can't even keep her lies straight. Leave off the 'd' in shrewd and we're getting a lot warmer. She has allowed smart people to maneuver her, just like many famous people have, like Rachel Ray.

IMO, of course, and I can certainly see why you have your opinion. We may never really know how smart or dumb she is. Was it Forrest Gump that said, "Stupid is as stupid does?" Well, we have like 60 episodes of evidence.

Anonymous said...

The info by Truth/Julie is truly heartbreaking. What a very hard situation for so many people. I may be too forward with this suggestion, but have you (Truth/Julie) thought of writing an open letter to the kids just letting them know that Jodi and Kevin still love them? They may not ever see it, but they may one day while searching the net for information about themselves. Seems like it wouldn't take much and the payoff would be big if they did see it. If what Jodi's speculation about what Kate will tell the children becomes true (and Jodi does seem perceptive) then having a direct message to the kids couldn't hurt. Maybe a classmate/friend will see it and pass the message along.

Manda said...

If you desire an isolated, private existence, then do as the Dilleys and other families with multiples have done: turn the cameras away or limit the intrusion to occasional updates.

They can't possibly do this, for their sake, the sake of their marriage or for the sake of their kids. Their greed stands in the way.

Oprah? Everyone knows Oprah only gives the good stuff to her audience; very rarely on-stage guests.

Anonymous said...

Kate's behavior is appalling. Kate moving to the south, she has no idea what she' in for.
1st..In NC, yankees are referred to as halfbacks.
2nd..One rule that is certainly strictly adhered to, no matter what you think or feel--Be polite, rudeness is never accepted or overlooked.
3rd..Children & adults do say,yes sir,no sir,yes mam & no mam.Never have I heard these words come out of any mouth in that household.I'm 58 & use these words daily.
Kate doesn't stand a chance!

Anonymous said...

What sort of timeline are we working on here? When were they on Oprah? When were they taped for O? When did Julie, Jodi's sister first go public? She first had a Facebook page, right?

Basically, when did the sh*t start hitting tne fan BIG TIME?

I'm privy to some of their behavior and am trying to get a timeline established to figure it out.

Anonymous said...

I agree about the letter to the kids from Aunt Jodi on Julie's blog. That way it is out there, date stamp and all!

What/how does Jodi and Kevin explain this to their kids? Afterall, they were together a lot for quite a while, hmmm?

I also have wondered if KON will homeschool? It would be interesting/heartwrenching to watch. I'm an elementary teacher and have taught preschool as well. Poor Kids! BUT, I wouldn't put it past them to do it considering their schedule, relocation, and traveling requirements. (eye roll)

Anonymous said...

Chris,

They can't adopt from China or Korea. They have too many children for either program. In fact, I'm not sure that there's an international adoption program that would take them for a non-special needs infant adoption, given the size of their family.

Domestically, most adoption agencies wouldn't accept them either because of their family size. They might be able to find a Christian agency or a private attorney who would take them, but I'd be shocked if they could pass a homestudy.

Serena said...

I think they have been dropping seeds in recent episodes to build up to the announcement that they will be homeschooling.

"We love doing educational projects with them, we hatch butterflies every year."

"We love going place, but the kids' favorite outings are the educational ones."


Mmm hmm. Right. What's next?

"We just can't find a good school here that can accommodate the needs of the kids."

"We feel strongly that our Christian values should be entertwined with the children's lessons and only we can do that the way we want."


Never are you going to hear:

"Figure 8 told us to homeschool so that we can meet the quota of new episodes that we signed up for."

Another perk of moving to NC, besides being closer to Figure 8 headquarters, besides being a child-labor-friendly state, is that NC is a very home-school-friendly state.

The isolation continues... that big bubble they kids are living in is certainly accumulating mileage.

Anonymous said...

I would like to see a reality tv show where the husband gived the wife love taps, and berates her for all to see. Will the faithful pro-kate followers back this show or say that their relationships is an interesting dynamic? I think that this type of show would not last a week. Another thing why should any family get paid for taking care of their own children. I think something is terribly wrong when people start getting freebies and trips for doing things that they are supposed to anyway. Send me a check for taking care of my children for two hours a day.

Steph said...

IF they stay in PA,Kate will blame Maddy and Cara's (expensive and scholarshipped) private school for "not allowing the sextuplets to attend"--either because the school doesn't have the funds to write off six scholarships to a non-needy family (Private schools have a board as well) OR all six kids do not meet the educational and social criteria-and home school. I just hope she doesn't pull Madelyn and Cara out of their one safe and consistent environment as well.

I don't think Kate has the patience or intelligence to homeschool. The tups seem to be behind, socially anyway, other kids their age. This is not uncommon with multiples, but it also shows that Kon has done nothing to try to fix it, either.

Also, look at how fast things fell to a (most likely) unrecoverable level for John Edwards. Once the word spreads and the questions become unrelenting, people WILL turn against them. People who hold a certain amount of faith do not like to be lied to and betrayed, and that usually "ends" relationships. Does Kon not realize how precarious "stardom" is? Take a lesson from the Edwards campaign. Arrogance will bite you in the ass.

Serena said...

I don't think Kate has the patience or intelligence to homeschool.

Kate doesn't have the patience or the interest needed to care for the children as it is -- Jon and Jenny take care of that for her.

If the children are homeschooled, it won't be Kate actually DOING it, only [yet more] hired help. Along with more spin: "I wanted the best for my children, and I knew I wasn't qualified to be their teacher, so we brought in Ms. Smith to do the job."

Anonymous said...

Seeing the information compiled in this post makes me even sadder for the G's children. When you start adding everything together, it really looks like a horrible situation for the kids. Defenders like to point out one behavior or incident and say "it's not that bad," or "its not the end of the world," but taken as a whole, the situation IS that bad. There are not just isolated incidents, but numerous ones of bad parenting, fractured relationships with family and friends, and expoitation of the children's privacy. It seems as the show has increased in popularity, the situation gets worse. Greed is a powerful motivator.
I always want to believe there is some good in people, and I still believe that deep in their hearts and souls, the G's do love their children and each other. Money and fame have corrupted and perverted that love into something else--a mutation--that the G's rationalize is in the best interests of their family. Their logic has become skewed. They seem to belive that (almost)anything can be justified/rationalized by financial gain because that is "in the best interests of the children/family." Not true, Gosselins, not true. Love and relationships in life are more important than the almighty dollar. Those are the things that will sustain you in truly hard times-- not a huge house and perfectly dressed children.

Serena said...

Also, look at how fast things fell to a (most likely) unrecoverable level for John Edwards. Once the word spreads and the questions become unrelenting, people WILL turn against them.

John Edwards? The one whose affair the National Enquirer first reported last October?

The same National Enquirer who first reported the Gosselin sham last month?

Anonymous said...

Jon, and especially Kate, have no problem "throwing people away". The children are learning this at a young age...So, it makes me wonder...What will Kate do when one of her own children "throw her away" when they are grown? She better hope her children do not practice what she preaches!

LizzieD said...

I would love to see the "Jon & Kate Plus 8" True Hollywood Story. Can you imagine how eye-opening that would be to hear from family and ex-friends and helpers? Kon would still get their face time on TV showing off their perfectly dressed children...

iluveeyore said...

"Yes, as far as the travels...I was thinking that NEXT they would go on a trip to Korea so that the tups and the twins could see where their ancestors came from.
That would be a big trip, and the show could get a lot of mileage out of the happenings there.


Kate would despise Korea. It actually smells of human waste... as reported by people I know who have lived there.

Anonymous said...

I have no issue with whether or not J & K chose to home school their children, however, I have a huge issue if they allow a camera and production crew to infringe on the children's education time for the purpose of filming a reality show. I would hope that J & K have the common sense to allow their children the right to participate in the education and learning process without being filmed for the purpose of viewer entertainment! The fact that these children are being exploited for monetary purposes and self serving agendas are reason enough to demand the establishment of laws and protections on their behalf. They are equally entitled to receive an education free of the pressures and demands of filming a reality tv show!!

Steph said...

I agree that Kate has no interest in international travel. The toilets are different (and therefore, yucky) and the climates are different. And if a delay in Idaho brought her to tears, can you imagine an overseas "adventure"?

And yeah, Korea would not be my first choice in International travel, either. Israel, Egypt and Japan top my list...

SmartyQ said...

anonymous 5:22 said: 'Remember the weird video Jon HAD to take of her twirling down Main St. when she went to Disney on honeymoon? This is a woman in her 20s! Who does this?'

Someone who is channeling Mary Richards. I expected her to order Jon to start warbling 'Who can turn the world on with her smile?'

Lynn said...


"Tender moment, right? It might have been except that Alexis never raised her arms to indicate she wished Kate to pick her up and hold her. Alexis hadn't seen Kate for many days; she obviously recognized her; she was happy to see her; but Alexis seemed to know to ask to be held by her mother wouldn't get her anywhere. Moreover, no other tup put up his/her arms—not even Hannah."


That's sad... when I go into my 16-month old daughter's room in the morning (right when I hear that she's awake), she picks up her nukie, silky, and blankie, then puts her arms up to be held.

Sometimes she wakes up and just lays quietly "talking" to herself and I leave her alone for a bit if I have something I'm in the middle of. However, I would never dream of making her wait to get up for the day just because it is convenient for me.

Among other converns is the fact that babies wake up with very wet diapers. I wouldn't make my daughter sit with a soaked diaper for an hour while I hit the snooze alarm.

Carla said...

Blogger iluveeyore said... Kate would despise Korea. It actually smells of human waste... as reported by people I know who have lived there.

I dunno...she keeps full potties scattered about the house...she might not mind the smell. lol

SmartyQ said...

I agree that Kate has no interest in international travel. The toilets are different (and therefore, yucky) and the climates are different. And if a delay in Idaho brought her to tears, can you imagine an overseas "adventure"?
Jon says he's French and Welsh (although these are nationalities, not races), so a trip to France might be interesting. I'd love to see the look on Katie's when she sees her first pissoir.

Anonymous said...

Not sure who said-
"Tender moment, right? It might have been except that Alexis never raised her arms to indicate she wished Kate to pick her up and hold her. Alexis hadn't seen Kate for many days; she obviously recognized her; she was happy to see her; but Alexis seemed to know to ask to be held by her mother wouldn't get her anywhere. Moreover, no other tup put up his/her arms—not even Hannah."

To be fair tho, in the episode where Kate went to the spa, some kids (Hannah and Alexis I think) were crying when they found out mommy would be going out. Also when Kate came home all the tups ran out to her in the driveway to greet her. So again, one particular scene in one particular episode does not make something fact. In the episode in the tups bedroom after Kates makeover I'm not sure some of the tups even recognized Kate. She must have looked quite different to them, plus they were younger.

Carla said...

Anonymous (August 9, 2008 5:27 AM) said ...
Kate's behavior is appalling. Kate moving to the south, she has no idea what she' in for....

Kate doesn't stand a chance!


Thank you!! I thought I was the only one that thought that! Most Yankees learn quickly they need to change their ways upon moving to NC. You learn to force yourself to make eye contact with strangers. People that don't know you WILL say hello when they pass and you darn well better learn to at least slow down and say, "Good day, sir!"

Everything about Kate's behavior would be abhorred down here!! If she's seen as unfriendly in Pa, whoa daddy she's in for a shock when she arrives in NC. If she averts her eyes and shuffles the children along the first time a neighbor says, "Mornin' Ma'am"...well, good luck to her. That neighbor will have filled in the rest of the 'hood by lunch and she won't buy a spit-free glass of sweet tea thereafter!

Anonymous said...

That scene was in the favorite moments show because it was a cute moment. Fill in the blank child (don't remember which) kept looking at Kate and saying mommy over and over because she was overwhelmed with how different Kate looked. I don't know how sweet this somehow turned into an example of Kate's lack of affection towards her children.

Anonymous said...

"What I would like to know is, Was she always like this? Even before the cameras were turned on?"

Many accounts have been shared by people who knew Kon before they had sextuplets and a TV show stating that Kate has always been exactly as we see her now. Pleading 8 is just her latest excuse to behave badly.

Anonymous said...

"Another way to keep this train arolling for Kon is to adopt. Kate's always wanted just one baby. I could so see them on an adventure to Korea or China adopting their "one" child and having the episodes center around that and bringing in a new baby into the home and watching the interaction and reaction from the tups and twins."

Kate and Jon would not be eligible to adopt from Korea or China and would likely not be approved by an adoption agency due to the amount of children they already have. The only way they would get a child placed with them would be if the child's parents placed directly with them.

Anonymous said...

People are really curious about this family. The National Enquirer needs to take a second look at this family and get more inside information. I think that there is a really good story to be told about what really happens behind the scences of this show. This is going to be a modern day Mommy Dearest. I am just waiting for Kate to say, "No more, wire hangers ever"!!!!!!! She already has the crazy mean stare when she is disciplining the children. I think the money will run out and the kids will end up suing the parents in court, end up like poor Gary Coleman. They are not going to have anything to show for after it is all said and done. What a shame.
About Oprah, I bet she was on to them. Maybe Kate tried to get all diva on Oprah.

Anonymous said...

As a proud Southerner, I am disgusted that Kon is moving to NC.
I'm sure the view is that we are just a bunch of dumb hillbillies who will be star struck. Maybe her view is that she will be able to teach us all correct grammar. Who knows, but I see her just looking for a fresh batch of freebies and helpers. I really hope these children are not homeschooled. I'm afraid that they would become even more neglected than they are now. If they are homeschooled, I do not see Kate doing this, a private tutor would probably be brought in.

Anonymous said...

Hopefuly, the National Enquirer will keep following this story to finally get the truth out. It took almost a year to get the John Edwards story out but the NE never gave up. They were still following him around last month.
If they keep on the Gosselins maybe FINALLY the true story will be told.
As a former poster said, "Where there's smoke there's fire!"

Sera said...

All this post did was just make me even sadder for the Gosselin kids. I'm pleased that more information about the depth of deception is coming out but the isolation and estrangement from family and community is sad to watch and hear about. Every time Jodi was in an episode, it was so apparent that she loves loves loves those kids to death and that they adore her. Same with Beth and Carla. I feel bad that these children have lost people who care about them because their parents seem(for lack of a better word) insane...such a shame.

What also worries me is that without the influence of these good people in their lives, the children are going to grow up only knowing how to behave based on what they see from KON. I shudder to think of eight more Kates running around in 15 years, brandishing an iron fist for all to see. Can't you just picture Alexis shrieking at the top of her lungs if she has to wait in line at Disney when she's 25?!

Thank you again GWoP and informants for shedding more light on this increasingly negative situation.

MrsRef said...

What will Kate do when one of her children throw her away? Sadly I think Kate would be more likely to throw the kids away. My mother was very much like her as far as relationship go - people were dismissed left and right including her own parents (who raised us when she left 4 children in the middle of the night) and anyone else who dared to differ with her. I was thrown away when I turned 18 and so was my youngest brother who she had abandoned once before) To this day 31 years later, we have no relationship nor does she have a relationshp with my children. I see so much of my mother in Kate it is frightening. I truly hope she gets the help she needs before it it too late. People are not disposabale!!!!!!!!!

merryway said...

It's very true what a culture shock it will be if Kate moves to the south. The difference to a Yankee is almost overwhelming. I have lived in the north all my life, my sister has lived in small town in Georgia over 35 years. Four years ago, I stayed down there a few months. I couldn't believe how friendly the people were. Everyone speaks to you. You wave “hey” in your car to each other. In my case, my daughter was about 11 months and all the older people oohed and wanted to see her. Even in restaurants, people sitting next to you would speak. It seemed as everyone deemed you as a friend and of course expected a friendly response. The greeting and “where you from”, etc. was almost always followed by a very polite invitation to attend their church. This is not something you hear a lot in my hometown, but it was commonplace down there. My heritage is Appalachian, so I know the mindset, but I'm used to city living. It felt uncomfortable at first because it was different. But knowing it was just the way things are down there was refreshing. Also, time also moves slower there. Kate's rush rush and pushing through the crowds, doesn't go with the flow of the south. They will go out of their way to make you feel at home, but a lot things she does aren't going to be politely accepted. IMO rudeness is just not expected or accepted in the south, I think they just don't seem a reason for it.

Anonymous said...

Sadly I think Kate would be more likely to throw the kids away.
And sadly I think you're right. The first time one of the children ask about the money Kate will toss them out while screaming how ungrateful they are. I'm sure she'll manage to somehow make sure that she's the one to keep the bulk of the monies earned off of their backs.

Anonymous said...

I always wondered if Kate is such a health nut and is so into eating organic healthy foods. Why do we not see her exercise or talking about her exercising. Eating healthy and exercising go hand and hand. All she does is sit on her can and direct the traffic in her home. Kon could both use the personal trainer.
In some of the old episodes I see the children eating pizza, chips, and drinking high/empty calorie fruit juice. Now how organic can pizza and chips be. This is another example of Kate stretching the truth and her wanting to deceive the public with thinking that she is a great mom because she serves her children organic food. This goes along with Kon going from church to church asking for love donations because they are a family in need. They are a family in need of counseling and a audit from the IRS. I would like to see a pyschiatrist donate Kate some free couch time. That is one freebie I am sure we could all agree she really needs.

Jennifer said...

Someone above me mentioned Kate having the symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder. I hope this doesn't get my comment rejected, because I absolutely am not trying to "diagnose" Kate based on what we see on TV, but I do agree. I grew up with a mother with BPD who was EXACTLY like Kate. Exactly. Her behavior wasn't abusive in the traditional sense, but it forever damaged my psyche. From the first 10 minutes of my first viewing of Kon (which was the Color Me Gosselin ep.), I recognized the exact same behaviors in Kate that my mother exhibited- controlling, wishy-washy with both discipline and affection, OCD behaviors, and belittling, rude, & entitled behavior.

I have since Tivo'd and watched every episode, and of course we all know the story by now- Jon is a wimp, the kids are darling, and the helpers are treated like crap. My least favorite episodes are any where Kate has any type of interaction with people from the "outside" world. Her treatment of strangers is disgusting. We know that can't be how she was raised because Kevin seems so opposite, right? But seriously, her treatment of the housekeeping ladies (no wonder 2 of the 3 refused to even try that job), "helpers", staff at the various lcoations they visit, and strangers on the street makes me cringe. She is unwatchable- I'm embarassed for her.
It's validating to hear the insider information. We viewers aren't crazy for thinking Kate comes across as a rude headcase. It seems like those who know her well think the same thing.

Anonymous said...

"They are a family in need of counseling and a audit from the IRS."

Love it. Nominate for Quote of The week.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Kate would mind traveling internationally, as long as it included the magic word, FREE!!! Of course she would gripe and not let anyone else have fun, but if it's FREE!!!! I believe she would go for it.

Serena said...

"They are a family in need of counseling and a audit from the IRS."

Love it. Nominate for Quote of The week.


I've added to our list, thanks.

Anonymous said...

Thank you all for such great insight on the episodes and discussion on Kate. Enjoyed it all!! Possibly the New York event which Kate and Jon attended and "snubbed" Kelly Ripa was the Discovery Upfront Presentation NY on April 23, 2008. Poor Kate. She's trying to be a celeb and blend, but that "80's punk hair meets the butt of a porcupine" just doesn't do it. BTW, TLC president and proponent of the JK8 show, Angela Shapiro-Mathes, fired on July 25 may bring some programming changes to TLC. J Lo and Kelly Ripa were both signed on to bring developmental/reality programs to the channel. Hence Kelly Ripa being in the same room/event with KON.

beachluvin said...

I've been thinking about the love offerings verses the flat fee for the speaking engagements. I have a feeling that their accountants, publicists and TPTB have suggested this would be the most effective method of getting the most from their "speaking engagements". With the flat fee, everyone knows what they're paying for, what the fee is and what can be reported to the IRS at the same time weeding out the little guys who can't afford the $25,000 fee. Actually, IMO this was a brilliant move by their PR representatives. The fundamentalist churches cast Jon and Kate Gosselin as two selfless parents who opted not to selectively reduce and are heros in their eyes. Please don't get me wrong, I applaud them for their decision but I wonder if they realize just how fortunate they are that the sextuplets are healthy.
I wonder what life would be like for this family is the tups had been born with physical or mental disabilities. I bet Jon would be working overtime in his job as a "How to Work the Systems Analyst" and he would be at the top of his game simply by taking orders from Kate.

Anonymous said...

anonymous 6:12,
Thank you for the information regarding the changes at TLC. Perhaps Kate should have thought twice before snubbing Kelly Ripa. I find it interesting that in the article, it states that the network has not produced a breakout series during Sapriro-Mathe's reign, since this would include Jon and Kate Plus 8.
Here is the link to the story in cast anyone is interested in reading it.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i0d79bda05708d3872a9d85b334ffec60

Anonymous said...

From what I understand, the church pays for all of Kon's traveling. They also receive the flat fee as well as all the love offerings that are still taken up at the end. They also receive the profits from the pictures. I maybe wrong. Does anyone know why the president of TLC was fired?

Anonymous said...

"Remember the weird video Jon HAD to take of her twirling down Main St. when she went to Disney on honeymoon? This is a woman in her 20s! Then he video'd her saying " Lets go shopping for more STUFF!" Who does this?"

Theatre majors/actors and attention whores. Visit Youtube if you need references.

Anonymous said...

"TLC shows a variety or programs and doesn't hide true spiritual expression of any faith, so I do not think they are editing J & K's spirituality out of the programming."
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Yes, this is right. Kate says that TLC wants to keep their religion out of the show. This is another one of Kate's lame comments. Look at "Little People Big World." The Roloffs are always praying together on camera as a family and the kids go to a private Christian school (Faith Bible). The Roloffs are not hypocrites. The give back and help people. The main reason Matt and his family are doing their show is to show the challenges LP's face day to day. KON is in it purely for the $$$$$.

Anonymous said...

I like Jon but Iam also half Korean. I was born in Korea and lived there til was 6, my father worked for the Worldbank. South Korea is not dirty at all, in fact we think of ourselves very close to the the Japanese. Yes, we do use asian toilets but so do the japanese (I went to high school in Japan). We don't have Kate's potty seats.
The major difference is our choice of foods. Many westerners might be cautious of our choices but we feel the same way about what Americans eat. We are all different and we have to accept that.

That said, the most ironic thing would be that if Gosselins went to Korea they would make even more money. People would find them so cute that in Korea they would be even bigger celebrities.
So please understand South Korea is beautiful and rivals only Japan in cleaniness. Kate might be admired but she will probably hate the culture. Kate seems as if she is trying to attain the "American suburban" upper middle class life but she does not realize that it won't cure all the things that are wrong with her.

Anonymous said...

I am sure the exclusion of the discussion of their speaking engagements has nothing to do with religion. Kon probably plain and simply doesn't want the audience to know they have all this extra income coming in. If that were to happen, all the freebies would probably come to a hault. Also, they would probably be seen for what they really are. No ratings=No $$$$$$$$$

laurie said...

Kate doesn't know how to be gracious. She probably didn't even realize she dissed Kelly. Kate doesn't do "butt kissing". She was even mad that they didn't get the freebies she was hoping for when they were on Oprah. They had very high expectations that didn't pan out the way they wanted.

I laughed out loud when I read this. I watched that episode and really wondered if she was upset about not getting "extras" from the O'Train. They weren't on there very long nor was Oprah all that impressed. I mean really, do the Gosselins do anything SO special? Nah. I don't think so. Oprah has plenty of truly worthy guests that deserve 'freebies' and who are VERY gracious to receive them. Oprah certainly isn't stupid, I'd imagine she could see through the Kate Crap. Seriously I bet her producers had done a bit of background work too, don't ya think? Who really knows but I'm glad that Oprah didn't hand a bunch of free stuff over to them. Lordy, that would have sent me over the edge.

Susan said...

I just watched a rerun of the Hiring a Housekeeper episode. Kate was potty training the girls. I noticed they did not use toilet paper. What's up with that?

Also, I think we should all do a shot everytime Kate says "I don't do that, Jon does that" !!

Manda said...

If KON let their religion spill over into the show, worlds may collide.

I think they don't want the general public to know the gig they have going with the church pulls because that may hinder someone watching who may be inclined to donate a trip, clothing, etc. If it were common knowledge to the viewing public the frequency they do these and how much money they were really making off the tent revival plays for cash any other donations coming their way may dry up.

I just can't fathom there are still people out there giving to them or even interested in what they have to say in the name of the Lord, especially if they've caught any of the last few shows. Of course, half of the people who go to the churches may not have even heard of "JK+8" and just hear a church promoting this family and the fact they didn't reduce and here comes the flock. The other half are probably just newlyweds/fertility challenged/spazzy 1st time moms who otherwise lap them up because they have no clue what REAL parenting is about and KON make them feel better about their own lives. The latter seems to fit the demographics of most of the accounts I have read from people who have actually heard them speak.

Kristyn said...

I was in a situation similar to the one the Gosselin kids are facing/will eventually face. My aunt used my cousins as leverage against my grandmother and parents. "If you do this/don't do this, you'll never see them again!" We put up with that from 04-06 before that moved away again. they recently moved back and she is on some much better meds and so far everything is great.

I truly HOPE that Kon eventually wakes up and realize the harm they are doing not only to their children, but to their siblings, nieces, nephews, etc. Those are HUGE wounds that they were creating, that are hard to heal. When all is said and done and the show is gone and everything is exposed, where will they be? more importantly, where will their children be? I hope that those kids have a happy ending.

to close this long note: on IMDB, the user "Disneyfamily" sounds an awful lot like Kate!!

Mit said...

What is IMDB?

xsandlapper said...

IMDB.com = Internet Movie DataBase

You can look up tv shows too. Popular shows have their own boards.

The tups have been "working" on a TV show almost their whole lives!

Anonymous said...

Kristin said-"to close this long note: on IMDB, the user "Disneyfamily" sounds an awful lot like Kate!!"

Kristin-can you post the link to the board? I was going thru them one at a time and couldn't find DisneyFamily anywhere. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Reply to Susan...

The Jon and Kate drinking game! hahaha!!!

I have watched the show from the first season and I started to think she was a little strange when she always said, about EVERYONE including their film crew, "Their goal is to help us."

I realized she only saw value in people who were willing to give her something. Sad.

Anonymous said...

I just googled the former TLC executive, and found this:

"O'Neill is a logical choice for TLC having served as interim GM before Shapiro-Mathes came on board. She also developed what is TLC's top-rated series, "Jon and Kate Plus 8," at the channel where the series was originally scheduled, Discovery Health."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i0d79bda05708d3872a9d85b334ffec60

So it seems unlikely that the new person, O'Neill, would get rid of a show she developed?

Also, I don't understand the implications of "disneyfamily" and the IMBD website... Kate is on a message board? I don't follow, sorry!

jpv4kandj said...

I'm a relative newbie here, and I thought I would've figured this one out by now. But, what do the initials BK stand for? I'm assuming it is one of the moderators/administrators. Thanks.

Kristin said...

I was just reading a blog about a 1 year old boy. He has CP and is just learning to sit up.

He was the 5th born of sextuplets. He was born at 23 weeks gestation and is the only living child.

The gosselins don't know how good they have it.

Anonymous said...

Kristyn, are the comments you read on IMDB still there? Could not find them, but saw lots of deleted posts in several threads. Go look.

FIONA said...

The Roloffs are always praying together on camera as a family and the kids go to a private Christian school (Faith Bible). The Roloffs are not hypocrites. The give back and help people. The main reason Matt and his family are doing their show is to show the challenges LP's face day to day. KON is in it purely for the $$$$$.
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I do have a bit more respect for the Roloff's although they are far from perfect. But I did "learn" from their show....hence The LEARNING CHANNEL. I never had an issue about LP...but the Roloff's did educate me quite a bit. There is an LP who works in a very nice shoe dept and I always seek him out to help me.

And I do like that the Roloff's are a real Christian family. I think we have seen Amy try to change her ways in how she speaks to Matt. So in these ways, I enjoy their show.

Also, I think the kids get in a say in what they are in....we don't see the camera shoved in their faces.

Serena said...

I'm a relative newbie here, and I thought I would've figured this one out by now. But, what do the initials BK stand for? I'm assuming it is one of the moderators/administrators.

"BK" is the person who wrote the comments published in this blog entry. He/she is a reader, not a staff member.

Anonymous said...

She's trying to be a celeb and blend, but that "80's punk hair meets the butt of a porcupine" just doesn't do it

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I nominate this for funny comment of the week!

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

Kate actually got some "words of wisdom" from Amy Roloff when they were at the Upfronts in NYC back in April. Kate wasn't very happy about it either.

Kate took the twins out of school for the event, and Amy told her that she doesn't let her kids miss school for the show and she doesn't want her kids to grow up thinking everything is going to be handed to them.

Serena said...

She's trying to be a celeb and blend, but that "80's punk hair meets the butt of a porcupine" just doesn't do it
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I nominate this for funny comment of the week!


Thanks, I've added it to our list -- voting begins on Tuesday!

Anonymous said...

I can't remember who asked for the IMDB link but here is their profile with the posts....does sound either like Kate or someone trying to sound like Kate...

http://www.imdb.com/user/ur10178371/boards/profile/

As a mom of 3 I know how hectic life can get, and yet I treasure the time I have with my children. Kate does not seem to have been born with the maternal gene, but I'm glad to see both Mady and Cara have shown with the 'tups' that they are compassionate and caring. Kate could learn a lot from her children if she'd take 10 min our of her EXHAUSTED day to just spend one on one time with them, talking and snuggling.

Anonymous said...

Fionna said......And I do like that the Roloff's are a real Christian family. I think we have seen Amy try to change her ways in how she speaks to Matt. So in these ways, I enjoy their show.

Also, I think the kids get in a say in what they are in....we don't see the camera shoved in their faces.

I recently say the Roloffs on a repeat of Oprah. They were talking about how it was a family decision to do the show and how certain places, such as Molly's room, are off limits to the cameras. They respected the fact that she needs her privacy. I wonder what Kate would say if Alexis, Leah, or Hannah asked to have the cameras and tv lights taken out of their room.

Kristyn said...

Her profile is:
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur10178371/boards/profile/

However, she has deleted a few of her posts. She had around 8-10 posts and is now down to four, so I'd take a look before she deletes them all! Coincidentally, a couple of those posts deleted were ones where members then asked her if she is Kate.

F. said...

Someone please check the link above and report back if the pages are still up. I have tried that link three times and it says the page can not be found. Either I put the address in wrong or it is Kate's site for sure and they are watching this site like hawk!! If that is true it is so funny!! Nice work everyone, they fear us. Does anyone have hard copies of that site that could be put on this site for eveyone to read?

If it was taken down, it must be Kate's site

We should come up with t-shirts that pay homage to Kate that say, "Is your goal to help me?"

Why? said...

I just read the piece in Variety about Shapiro-Menthes dismissal from TLC (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117989482.html?categoryid=18&cs=1)

It also makes mention that J&K+8 is TLC's top rated show.

I wonder to what extent Shapiro-Menthes put the pressure on to get 40-50 new episodes of the show in how many weeks? (I don't know how long the season is expected to run). Ordering that many new shows for a season is very rare. Scripted shows do not do that many and the only other reality show that does that many episodes is Big Brother - the show where cameras are on 24/7. Ironically the adults who want to be on it have talked about how hard it is to be constantly filmed and to live in an artificial environment. J & K may have been complicit in the decision by agreeing to make 40-50 episodes, but someone proposed it.

Another reference to an Oprah show. Years ago (more than 10 since I haven't seen the show in over 10 years) she had a yound single mother on the show. The mother had been in the news because she couldn't afford day care, so took her young pre-schooled aged daughter into work and left her in a locked car. The mother worked at a mall and would check on the daughter during breaks/lunch to take her to the bathroom, etc. However, this being a mall naturally many people passed the car and someone called the authorities.

In this case the mother was very lucky because the authorities realized that this was just a poor decision to a very sudden and difficult situation. They gave her parenting classes and she said something that really made an impression on me. She said that when she made the decision to bring her daughter into work and keep her in the car, she discussed it with her daughter and the daughter said that she was okay with the decision. What the mother later learned from the counselor who gave her the parenting classes was that young children are very attached to their parents, so if you ask them if they are okay with something, but they know from your manner what you want the answer to be, they will say yes it is okay, even if it isn't. They are too young to have developed the thought process that says I'm being asked to do A and B will result. They don't even understand what A really is,let alone B. The mother had been pretty horrified when she learned this and learned what she had put her daughter through. As regards the tups, I can't help but think that may be used to the cameras, but they don't really have the brain development to understand what is being asked of them.

The point of this long post? (Thanks for sticking with me!) I've been trying to figure out how 3/4 year olds and 6/7 year olds end up being required to do 40 to 50 episodes of a reality program when most adults are not required to do this, whether it is scripted or reality.

With respect to J&K I think that greed as an explanation is too simplistic. Yes greed comes into the equation (i.e. they want 2-3 million for 40 to 50 episodes in ?? weeks instead of, let's say, $500,000 for 10 episodes). However, I do think that Jon and Kate love their kids. I think that Kate does not know how to cope with or manage 8 children, but I think that she does love them. So if you love someone, how does this decision become okay? Anyway that story rose up from the depths of my memory as I thought about it.

With respect to the producers? Who made this decision? Who benefits? Was it Shapiro-Menthes trying to keep her job? Was it greed on Jen's part too? Just greed by everybody? I don't know.

Anonymous said...

Why? said: However, I do think that Jon and Kate love their kids. I think that Kate does not know how to cope with or manage 8 children, but I think that she does love them.
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I don't agree. She may think she does and say she does, but she doesn't. Narcissists are incapable of it.

Anonymous said...

If they do do the homeschooling thing. The camera will show Kate "teaching" them. And then when the cameras stop rolling an off set tutor will jump in and do the real school work.

Just like they show Kate "doing laundry" or "cooking".......

That way Kate can look like a saint for teaching 6-8 kids. And she'll be happy, because she'll think people will think she's great for doing it. When it would only be acting.

Anonymous said...

''Why? said: However, I do think that Jon and Kate love their kids. I think that Kate does not know how to cope with or manage 8 children, but I think that she does love them.
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I don't agree. She may think she does and say she does, but she doesn't. Narcissists are incapable of it.''

That is a pretty strong accusation.

FIONA said...

You are right, it is a strong accusation. I don't think she can nurture. I don't think she feels the same about all her kids, in fact, she may rather dislike some.

But I hope she is capable of feeling love.

With that said, you can be loved by someone who still doesn't do the right things for you or to you. Just because a person can love doesn't mean much on it's own.

I don't claim to know what makes Kate tick...I have never known anyone like her.

I do agree to the poster who said, if Kate does homeschool, GOD FORBID, she will have a real teacher there and likely claim that she does it herself.

KON has shown they possess little in the area of scruples or ethics. To withhold the kids from a regular school experience will be the height of their abuse, in my own opinion.

If she tries to keep Mady and Cara at home I will freak out!!!

I just hope something is going on that we aren't aware of-counseling, family intervention, something.

If Truth could shed any light, that there exsists a glimmer of hope or that Jon and Kate are learning anything I would be releaved to know.

P.S. I don't think that is Kate posting....after all, she is currently on her second honeymoon. Seriously, tho, I don't think it is her...JMO! :)

Anonymous said...

We should come up with t-shirts that pay homage to Kate that say, "Is your goal to help me?"


I wonder if Em Tanner would do them for free.

BK said...

Sorry I've been out of the loop. I didn't realize my comments had become a post. We've had company from out-of-town.

Anyway, I've seen a few people are how TLC/Figure 8 can continue to support this. The answer's not quite as simlpe as getting good ratings. There are contractual obligations all around. More people than Jon and Kate are depending on the show. As much as Kate wants to be the only one to profit, every camera man or sound guy in that house needs the income. And, Kate can be charming when she wants to be or when it will work to her benefit. It's how you behave when you stand to lose, or during a stressful time, that shows your true character. We've seen enough to know where Kate falls...

Jon and Kate only think about the long term as it applies to them. If they truly cared about their child's future, then we wouldn't be questioning the status/existence of college funds. Based on a rough estimate of their income, they could already have taken care of college. So, where's that money now? How can it be four years and a television show later without some sort of college fund?

I hadn't heard about the Kelly Rippa thing, but I don't doubt it.

Anonymous said...

Where did you hear 40-50 shows for 2-3 million? Is this a guess? Are they doing them all this summer? This fall, the kids have school and while they could film at home, I doubt they will with the new chef, etc. When I heard how fast they are doing the shows, my heavens, no wonder she gets all the extra help paid by TLC. They are a real commerical family now, like a mini Jacksons or Osmonds. It is no longer a cute, little show.

SUSAN said...

F. said...We should come up with t-shirts that pay homage to Kate that say, "Is your goal to help me?"

FUNNY!! Could this be nominated for comment of the week?

Serena said...

F. said...We should come up with t-shirts that pay homage to Kate that say, "Is your goal to help me?"

FUNNY!! Could this be nominated for comment of the week?


Done, thanks!

Anonymous said...

In response to:
F. said...We should come up with t-shirts that pay homage to Kate that say, "Is your goal to help me?"
I think Kate actually believes that her sole purpose in life is to convince the world that it is their 'goal' to help her.

Anonymous said...

I just checked that pastor's blog where I left a message yesterday--the church where the Gosselins are speaking in September. They are moving it to a local theater because of the crowds they are expecting.
http://familypastor.blogspot.com/
My note to him was polite and now it has been removed. I only told him that there was no need for a love offering. I was not rude, and did not mean to offend him or his congregation. I feel embarrassed now. And someone else has written in, calling him a hypocrite for erasing an opposing view. I seriously didn't want anything like that to happen to his blog. I really thought he would receive what I was telling him, and maybe realize that his congregation could use their money on their own families. Now I think that maybe I never should have opened my mouth and I was speaking out of turn. After all, it IS his own blog. Oh I don't know. I guess the Gosselins aren't ANY of my business when you come down to it. I just feel for honest, hard working people in a church who are asked to give out of their own budget to someone who is wealthy, compared to them. I have attended a church in the past where that happened. Now I look back and think "Why didn't I realize?"

L. said...

F. said...We should come up with t-shirts that pay homage to Kate that say, "Is your goal to help me?"

Would it be alright if I did get a shirt made with that saying on it? I love the saying and I love the idea!!
I think more of us (ie. the concerned J&K watchers) need to 'speak out' more. A public demostration would be ideal.

GWoP is a WONDERFUL, informative site, but when we've all had our fill of Gosselin Gossip, we shut off our computers and leave our thoughts and concerns floating out in cyber space. I think it's time to bring our concerns to the streets! Educate the public on the horrific environment those kids are living in.

I have to think that if there was a public demonstration concerning children in reality shows, or specifically about the Gosselin 'tups, that J&K would be forced to address the concerns and rumors about thier family in some fashion or another. If there was public outcry from people all over the world about the treatment and family environment the 'tups are subjected too by being filmed almost daily, that TLC and figure8 would have to do something about the show!! I cannot fathom that TLC and Figure 8 would want the negative publicity.

The Dionne's didn't have a chance, but the Gosselin's do. Haven't we learned anything about putting CHILDREN on display?? Something must be done, and sometimes it takes more the words to show the powers that be, that there ARE people who CARE.

So I ask you again F. may I please use your slogan?

L.

IMHO said...

I wish I had time to write a post or 2 for submission. Things along the lines of "Christians Behaving Badly" or "My name is not anonymous!". But, I don't, so I'll just comment.

Everyone has moments, days and periods of their lives where they are trapped in poor judgement. A Christian being is still a human being and every bit capable of bad behavior/poor judgement. However, being a badly behaved Christian doesn't make you not one, just as being a badly behaved child doesn't make you not a child. You are badly behaved and in need of a transformation, which is possible. Poor judgement doesn't mean lack of love - I firmly believe J & K love their children. They are caught up in a dangerous lifestyle right now that is causing lack of good sense. I pray that they see this and ask God's help to free themselves from it. They need to grow out of it! I think this is why I'm paying attention to this - because I know it's possible. If you care for this family, please pray for this!

To anonymous: Either you post ALOT, and I do mean ALOT, or there are many of you using the anonymous handle. Kind of confusing! If you are inclined to get a posting name, it only takes a second to get a google account or google blogger, and you don't need to make a blog page. You don't need to identify yourself - I wish to remain anonymous too but I don't mind identifying my thoughts with my IMHO "handle". Think about it, then create your handle BEFORE you type your comment, or you'll lose it like I have. Not fun! Scroll down to the bottom of the empty comment that you haven't typed yet then you just follow the instructions and sign in - piece of cake!

To the anon. poster wio feels badly about the pastors blog - please don't! You submitted comments on an open board and there is nothing wrong with that - that's why they are open. You did it in a loving way according to what you said here, and that's a key factor. (I haven't visited the board). I've been duped by supposedly needy traveling "evangelists" with sad stories, only to find out later that it's how they make their living! Going around telling their sad story! That is discouraging (and BAD BEHAVIOR!) I also know of churches that are more interested in ticket sales/profits for their shows than they are in community enrichment. I sincerely hope the host church isn't getting too caught up in the ticket sales of this big name event so much so that their judgement is being clouded. Is this entertainment or witnessing? J&K and the host churches need to clarify this. If it were my church, I'd rather they cancel the event than see them get caught up in dangerous behavior in Christ's name.

F. said...

To L..

Sure, you can use my quote. Before I found out about all this drama, I wondered about that funny saying she had. She even said it about the TV crew.

Let us know when you get one or if people ask you about it. I'm glad you liked it!

L. said...

F.

Thank you Thank you Thank you!! I will let you know as soon as I get it made.

L.

Anonymous said...

I post as anon. and I'm sure many others do because I have only posted twice on this whole site. I'm sorry that it bothers some. I don't think we mean anything by it, just privacy...

This is the first time I have ever posted on any site at all before and I just felt more comfortable as anon. So must many others...

Anonymous said...

I know this isn't relevant to the show but I just wanted to respond to the anonymous comment. I also write as anonymous. I've only been posting for the last week.
To be honest, I tried to set up a Google account, it wouldn't let me because it said there was already an account under my email address.
I don't ever remember setting up an acct and if I did, I don't remember my username or password.
Again I know this isn't relevant.
I just don't understand why it matters. Not trying to be smart, just curious.

IMHO said...

Dear friends: So sorry to have offended anonymous posters - I truly am. The editors have placed an easy out on the opening page should you want a handle, but I read the posts with the same affection named or not. I lose track sometimes on an entry as large as this when scanning thru the comments where one anon after another piles up, but it's really not that big of a deal. Now, time for a bike ride right before tonights 2 new shows. I'm hoping for a slightly improved Kate!!

Powell said...

Wow - I just saw a comment on the IMDb board under the Moving to NC? thread that just spews hate. Posted by user Disneyfamily on August 3rd, it calls us "sicko haters" for being on this site and says that the user represents "the Fans". It is quite a piece of work and sounds suspiciously like the work of a Gosselin (Jon? Kate?) from the tenses that are used.

Interesting thing is - the reaction to the post on that site was pretty negative and I don't think it accomplished what the user intended for it to.

Why? said...

Where did you hear 40-50 shows for 2-3 million? Is this a guess? Are they doing them all this summer?

From information floating around this site (maybe in the questions and answers section) their latest contract calls for 40-50 and they are being paid $50,000 per episode. Okay, that makes it $2 million to $2.5 million.

I don't know the timeline. I don't know if the 40-50 shows are for season 3 (in which case the vow renewal may be the season finale??) or if they are in the middle of season 4 and still have a bunch of shows to go. According to the side bar on this site they are still in season 3.

There are 44 episodes listed for season 3. We know that there was a show entitled "Looking for property" that was, let's say, rescheduled. With the trip to Hawaii there will be a minimum of 46 episodes. Only 5 of the episodes, as far as I can tell, are episodes that don't involve new footage of the children (2/11 behind the scenes, 2/25 FAQ, 6/2 Discipline, 6/16 how they got here, and 7/21 embarrassing moments.

So 41 new episodes in less than a year (sorry, don't know when the filming started). Like I said, most adults who get to choose their commitments to shows are not picking to do that many.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the info! So the 4th season coupled with the first three and the speaking tours, book, etc... they have made well over 3.5 million, before taxes, during the course of this show. I hope those kids get some put away for them.

On the question area on this site, I read that even the clothes on Kate's shopping trip were paid for. She said on the show that they saved money for that and it was Jon and Kate's Christmas present to each other. She even waxed on about how they don't have the money with a family of eight and must be careful when spending money on their clothes.

I guess all lies, I just don't understand. I have watched Little People, Big World. Without them saying anything, it was obvious the production company was paying for many of their trips. But, they never said they were saving money for it or they had to budget for it. There were no lies. I don't think people begrudge them the trips, it is the lies. They must think their viewers are fools.

She even told Jon at the register that they went over their budget. I guess she meant over their production company's budget for that episode.

Serena said...

and they are being paid $50,000 per episode

I don't know where this information is coming from, but it's not from our Q&A section. My understanding is that $5-6K is the more reasonable guess.

iluveeyore said...

There is only one problem I have with people posting as "anonymous." I think it would be helpful if we could know where each person was coming from. We could do that if a name is repeated. We could kind of know the mind set of that person.

You don't even have to "register." You could be "Joe Blow," it really doesn't matter. Just use the same name every time you post.

Anonymous said...

RE: There is only one problem I have with people posting as "anonymous." I think it would be helpful if we could know where each person was coming from. We could do that if a name is repeated. We could kind of know the mind set of that person.

You don't even have to "register." You could be "Joe Blow," it really doesn't matter. Just use the same name every time you post

I'm not trying to be rude, I am just stating my opinion here. I'm afraid that if too big of a deal is made about whether or not someone has a handle then it is going to discourage people from reading and commenting on this blog. I believe most of us are here for one purpose, these children. When posts are made, then we can either agree or disagree and then comment. Again, no disrespect to anyone, it justs seems this is turning into AnonymousGate.

green said...

In regards to what Anonymous (August 11, 2008 5:55 PM)wrote.
On the question area on this site, I read that even the clothes on Kate's shopping trip were paid for. She said on the show that they saved money for that and it was Jon and Kate's Christmas present to each other. She even waxed on about how they don't have the money with a family of eight and must be careful when spending money on their clothes.

If it is true that Jon and Kate don't pay for anything on the show then I don't understand the lies either. It's bad enough if you are lying, but don't make up a story and say it on air. The show is taped there is no way to take it back if your story is false.

sistah2 said...

"My understanding is that $5-6K is the more reasonable guess."

Really? I actually think its seems reasonable, from what I just read in Entertainment weekly about other reality show salaries, that its much more than that. It may not be $50k per ep. but if you include all the repeats that each ep. has, it is probably more like 20k per episode, at least. If anyone has inside knowledge, I would love to know, because that would really effect how they are viewed , I think, with all the freebies, speaking fees, etc. Did the agent negotiate a better deal this season? Aren't they one of the network's top rated shows? Think about it. Unless, of course, the new home is completely paid for , and that was a "bonus"....we may never know, since after all, its private info!!

MommySusan1 said...

In a recent issue of TV Guide, which lists what certain stars make, it says that one of the stars of "The Hills" (forgot which one) on MTV makes $75K an episode. We can debate who is more of a star, which network would be more likely to pay more- but I think it does mean that $50K or more an episode would be pretty accurate.

Anonymous said...

Serrena,
The amount was $65,000 per episode and it appeared on TWOP before the thread was closed. The poster said that she was married to someone who was "in the know" at TLC.

Mary Kay

Anonymous said...

I really think, at least for season four, they are getting close to $50,000 an episode. They are the #1 rated show on TLC. $5,000 an episode would not be enough for this. Also, the houses they looked at tonight on the show are a direct reflection of how much money they have made. Jon and Kate do not have careers, nor have they ever had, that could support homes like that.

I think it is true to say they have made millions so far from this show and the related work.

Anonymous said...

What I don't understand is why Kate allows the camera crew to show these nasty sides of her. I mean, she seems to be most concerned about her image (and the money) so I wonder if she gives them a hard time about what scenes make it into the episode.
I wonder too, how poorly she treats them. She's made a few comments on air, but I wonder what it is like for them being there with her.
Also, did I read correctly that she also wrote off Beth, Carla and Nana Janet? I haven't seen them this season at all. She's got to stop and think about how yanking people in and out of her kids' lives can really hurt them. I would just love to scoop them all up and give them a normal childhood. She keeps saying how important it is to her that they have a "normal" childhood. They could probably have pretty close to that, even with the cameras, if she wouldn't act the way she does. She's the one who makes it absolutely abnormal for them.

Anonymous said...

It was interesting that they never mentioned on this show, unlike other times, that they paid for the trip themselves. Hmmmm... Maybe they realize people are on to them.

Anonymous said...

I can't imagine the pay would be as low as 5K an episode considering there are TEN people being filmed. That would be 500 an episode per person and that is even lower than the pay for an unknown to do a low key commercial back in 2002 when my daughter went on a couple auditions.

(She very quickly gave it up entirely because she didn't want to miss things like friends' birthday parties and afterschool sports.)

And even soap extras get a few hundred a day, even if they are only there a short time.

I just hope they have a good professional (manager? agent?) looking out for the interest of the kids and that they (the kids) get royalties for reruns. I mean these shows could resurface again and again for YEARS!

Does anyone know?

SororitySister said...

I noticed that many people commented on the differences between Kon and the Roloff's. One of the most striking differences to me is the Roloff's support of charities. While I do not think that the Roloff's are perfect role models I remember one episode of LPBW in which Matt helped a family adopt an LP. His foundation paid for the child's medical bills and made the parents home LP friendly. I can hardly imagine Kon giving their time to charity or helping a family who found themselves in a similar situation. After all give is a four letter word to Kon.

Anonymous said...

"WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY KATE ALLOWS THE FILM CREW TO SHOW THOSE NASTY SIDES OF HER..."


I'm no being smart with this comment. Kate simply doesn't have that many other sides, really.

Did anyone notice when they were on the sand dunes and Kate asked Jon if they were ready to go. He said something like, yes, but he was watching the sunset. She said something very harsh like, "Oh, no, we are leaving now. Yes, the sunset is lovely, but it happens everyday. We are going now." And they left right then.

I thought, if you can't enjoy a beautiful sunset with your family on the beach, when just three years ago you were begging people for money and help, there is a real problem.

TLC also uses her craziness in promos - I think they called her a lovable control freak. They play off of it.

I have noticed that she does seem like she is trying to control herself more. Probably because of the backlash she has gotten.

I thought when Kate talked about Jenny, she very carefully picked her words. My favorite was her saying they finally broke down and got more help. I guess she meant more paid help.

I bet they decided to leave the state because of the breakdown with friends and family. Nothing is keeping them in PA anymore. Several months ago they looked at land in PA, now that plan has changed.

I also think showing that estate was their "trial balloon", something that people use in politics. They want to get viewers used to the fact that they are moving to a large house. So it is not such a shock.

George said...

Yeah, if they are looking at 1.9 million dollar properties they have a butt load of money. Sounds like actually they aren't having to tap their funds though that TLC or Figure 8 has already got it all set for them to get their fancy home without costing them a penny so they can use their millions for taxes, utilities, upkeep and such if and when this fad for them dies down and the children are freed from the yoke.

I hope that the kids will have some money left from this mess and that Jon and Kate don't blow through it in record time. Where are the child advocates that the show is allowed to go on. Do we have to wait for them to have a horrible issue relating to this nonsense happening to their childhood and for them to sue all involved before anyone wakes up and gets these laws fixed and get those loopholes that allow parents to exploit their children so they can live high off the hog.

MusicMama said...

Well, Gumgate is on again. I was washing the kitchen floor and I hear my oldest daughter say to my youngest "man, I just don't get Kate"!!!

Oh, out of the mouths of babes ;-)

Anonymous said...

i just watched the gum episode for the first time

i was shocked at just how ungrateful kate appeared to be that jodi was willing to watch kate's 7 kids in addition to jodi's.

does kate watch jodi's kids, so jodi and kevin can have special "alone days"?

kate appeared to be very angry
this was not teasing or trying to be sarcastic, she was angry

now i see what other bloggers were outraged about

Anonymous said...

I asked julie on the questions area of this site if Kate ever watched Jodi's kids or offered any of their perks (like GAP clothes) to Jodi. After all, Jodi helped her a tremendous amount. Julie said no. You can read the question and answer in that are of the site, it is still up.

Anonymous said...

"...does Kate watch Jodi's kids, so Jodi and Kevin can have special alone days?..."

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

I'm sorry, but your innocence is endearing. Wait till you see Kate and Jon take away the boys' birthday cupcakes.

Anonymous said...

In a recent episode re run, I think the episode when Jon takes the boys golfing. Kate makes the comment that, 'she is getting an idea of what its like to have teenagers'. This comment came as a result of the boys missing the set meal time and their plate set aside for later. While I will agree that meal time routines do get a bit unpredictable with teenagers. I HARDLY consider the idea of a FOUR year old missing lunch time because he was spending time with his dad, even remotely in the same field of knowing what its like to have teenagers. Typical Kate hyperbole!!! When all those kids are REALLY teenagers, juggling meal time will be the least of her worries.

Anonymous said...

I feel bad for Jon. It seems like he, unlike Kate, makes it his first priority to spend time with his kids. You can tell he has much closer relationships with them. It must be impossible for him to defy Kate--she refuses to admit fault! Everything has to go her way, and if it doesn't, living with her would be miserable. I think he really has no choice but to be on Kate's side. Although I don't necessarily agree with it, I don't blame him for "burying his head in the sand."

Anonymous said...

I was completely oblivious to Kate's true character until I saw the "Talent Show"episode. They were in the basement playing dress up and Kate started yelling at Jon to put things away and get the kids ready for bed at 6:15! Jon was having fun dressing and playing with the kids and Kate just sat on the couch and acted impatient. And I have always wondered what she does when Jon is getting the kids ready for bed? It would be much nicer for the kids if both parents helped at bedtime.

Anonymous said...

"Kate says that TLC wants to keep their religion out of the show. This is another one of Kate's lame comments."

one thing that bothered me was in a past episode Kate said that the show would always be "real" and would not be edited in a way that would not be the real them...or something to that effect.
But on the show where they got their mission statement, you could plainly see that it said repeatedly in it the word "God" but never once did they mention the word "God", so I can only assume that she didn't want God mentioned...sad for a christian.

Anonymous said...

"Kate says that TLC wants to keep their religion out of the show. This is another one of Kate's lame comments."

one thing that bothered me was in a past episode Kate said that the show would always be "real" and would not be edited in a way that would not be the real them...or something to that effect.
But on the show where they got their mission statement, you could plainly see that it said repeatedly in it the word "God" but never once did they mention the word "God", so I can only assume that she didn't want God mentioned...sad for a christian.

K said...

Again more clarification that the woman has become completely unhinged. I often wonder if the children are in anyway in danger of her wrath.

Anonymous said...

Just recently..the past shows I've been getting more irritated by Kate. I would always be the first to defend her when she got mouthy but now I'm seeing this is the real Kate. Disrespectful is one word that comes to mind. I can't stand how she talks to Jon..disrespectfully. She always makes the excuse that this is how they talk to each other and it's ok. I'm embarrassed for Jon. Not only for the way she talks to him but how he lets her! He needs to get a backbone. It's not very Christian for a wife to be talking to her husband like that and vice versa. The children will grow up thinking it's ok. Mady is already a handful. It was terrible the way she talked to Collin about his bear/blankie when he got gum on it. Why would you do that to a child?? Yell at him and tell him you're going to throw away his security blanket.

This is the first week I officially boycotted watching the show and I gotta tell you..I didn't miss it as much as I thought I would. They really need to go back to their personal life without the cameras (if they can!). It'll be better for the children in the long run. I'm sure they already made a truck load of money from the past couple seasons. Time to go raise the kids in private and reconcile with family members. You won't always have the tv show. Family will always be there for you.

cadee said...

"Kate would despise Korea. It actually smells of human waste... as reported by people I know who have lived there."

As a person of Asian descent,I find this comment highly offensive. Kate may not be a perfect person, but insulting living in Korea is not appropriate in this context.

Anonymous said...

Okay. Yes, having eight kids would
be stress full but the way kate
speaks to jon is and acts is IMO
messed beyond reason. Kate and jon
have eight healthy kids, freebies,and so much that other
families even with less kids will never experience. There are so
many parents with disabled, dead,or
starving kids, so many single moms raising kids alone and broke. Kate should take a moment to consider these facts. As the child of a
drug addict who pays no child support, the sister of a disabled girl i say. Kate, think again honey.

Anonymous said...

Obervations I've made between the Gosselins and the Roloffs:

#1 It is painfully obvious the Roloffs didn't demand TLC to provide them with a housekeeper. And they actually have real jobs...both of them!

#2 When the Roloff's were at a beach condo with all the boys, Amy was adament that they clean up their mess so they could come back. At Kon's beach house, they didn't care if it got messy because it wasn't theirs.

#3 Family actually means something to the Roloff's. You see their parents all the time, and family gatherings during holidays. Also, they thouroghly enjoy allowing their kid's friends to come over.

#4 Mamy ( Matt and Amy )publicly advocate for LP's all over the country. I'm not sure what Kon has done to help other families of multiples.

#5 When was the last time you saw the Roloff's ask for love offerings at speaking engagements?