Episode Recap: Heading South - "Jon & Kate Plus 8" 08/11/08

Leah gets to say “On this episode of Jon & Kate Plus 8”, before the previews start. This is their summer getaway! They’re going to look at property that Jon researched online!

It all started with the two of us … and it ended with a “fertility nightmare”.

The subtitles helpfully say “Day Before Beach Trip”. Oh lordy be, Kate is in uber-packing mode. She has that rigid “I’m stressed and that’s the way I am” look on. She orders people around, but does manage to say please. I will give her credit for that.

Their excuse for the trip is, they had a speaking engagement and didn’t want to leave the kids behind, so they decided this will be their “summer getaway”. Does that mean there will be a “fall getaway”? (Driving to Maine to see the fall colors?) A winter getaway? (So Jon can snowboard?) A spring getaway? (Divorce court?)

Continued

147 comments:

SecretMonkey said...

Okay, they’re in the garage now and Kate suddenly starts screaming and hiding behind Jon. Did a kid spill ice cream on their shirt? No, she stepped sideways into a flystrip which stuck to her face. Jon sees the humor in the situation and gets a slap, I mean “love tap”.

Jon explains they will be away for two weeks. He’s packing the van and a small moving trailer. He’s not great at backing up with both. On the couch, Kate snickers. And I must say, Kate has a gorgeous tan. She must have used sunscreen!

Kate of course finds fault with everything Jon does, but also admits she could never do it. They also mention that they are looking at property, “if or when we decide to move”. Kate wants to move to warmer weather, hopefully by the time the little kids start kindergarten next year. She also wants space (perhaps they could get rid of the film crews?), wider hallways, and more places for the kids to “go and be”.

Joel informs Kate that Aaden is in Cara & Mady’s room. That’s against their “room rules” – the boys are not allowed in any of the girls’ rooms, and the little girls are not allowed in Mady & Cara’s room. Kate explains that the little ones can not go into Mady & Cara’s room without an invitation. I like that rule.

It appears that Aaden is in there by invitation, for when Joel comes up saying that Aaden “has to get out, Mommy said so!” Mady comes out and says he doesn’t have to.

Oh great, yet another “pick on Joel” scene. He always puts his shoes on the wrong feet, and even has a blister from doing so. Jon mocks Joel. Kate whines that the kids have a 50/50 chance of getting their shoes on the wrong feet, and they still get them wrong all the time. Whichever feet they’re on, those are some fugly Crocs there.

Oh look, there’s “family helper” Jenny. She’s playing with them on the swingset out back. She sounds like a paid assistant, but of course, nothing is mentioned of paying her.

Jenny says she’s going down separately and will meet the Gosselins down south. She’s there to “help” them get into a routine. Sure sounds like she’s a nanny, but of course, nothing is mentioned of a salary.

More packing scenes. Like we’ve never seen them do this before. Kate is bringing any cooking utensils she may need, outfits for all of the kids for every day, comfort items, prepared meals, etc. They bought bikes, picnic tables, Jon’s golf clubs, etc.

It’s the day of the trip, 5:30 am. Jon is up, packing the van, and on the couch, Kate makes sure that we know that she got up right after Jon. Hannah and Leah have been getting up early and trying to get into bed with Jon and Kate. Maybe they should put them in the basement with Alexis? Hannah sleeps in as a result of her early morning antics, but “family helper” Jenny is there to get her up. Gosh, that is so helpful of Jenny! Hannah clings to her like she was a nanny or something.

Joel is sitting on the steps between the house and the garage, crying. His parents scold him and tell him not to make another sound. Kate adds “I better not even hear you breathe”. Joel stops crying. Kate mocks his crying on the couch.

Now Martyr Kate has to pack all the coolers. She has a lot of prepackaged meat to put in there. “Family helper” Jenny just sits there and watches. Good thing she’s not getting paid. They try to herd the kids into the van to leave at 7. Typically, Alexis has to pee as soon as she is strapped in. Why don’t they tell her to pee before they strap her in? Alexis is told to go pee in the potty in the garage. I sure hope “family helper” Jenny empties that before they leave for two weeks – or are they expecting Uncle Kevin to empty it while housesitting? Hey, where have Kevin and Jodi been?

“Family helper” Jenny puts Alexis back in her seat. Alexis slaps at Jenny’s arms. I wonder where she learned that from?

They finally leave around 7:30 am for a nine hour trip, and their first stop is a property Jon has been researching online. There are horses on that property! Stacy the nice real estate agent shows them around. It’s certainly spacious and swanky. Very, very swanky. So swanky that I hope some people see why we snark on Jon & Kate so much – there is no way those two could afford that property with just “love offerings” from their appearances. Earlier in the episode, all they wanted was more space and wider hallways. Now it turns out they’re looking for conspicuous consumption, complete with a horse barn and wrap-around deck.

Jon & Kate show Mady her potential new room, which she wouldn’t have to share with Cara. The little kids go meet the horses.

Kate does not like the layout. The parents would have to sleep in the basement. That’s where four year olds sleep, silly! They decide that it would cost a lot of money to renovate it to their taste. Although Kate “jokes” that the horse barn would be perfect for the crew.

They praise the property but feel it’s not for them. They go look at some land, in a really secluded location. They drive down a gravel road. Oh Kate won’t like that. It turns into a dirt road and they decide this is way too out of the way for them. Kate says “we wouldn’t have any neighbours to come over and fold our laundry for us”. Oh she does not. But you know she was thinking it. Instead, she stumbles over the word “civilization” and say they want to build a house that can grow with them. They look over the land with a real estate agent. Then Jon has to turn the van and trailer around and Kate has to get out and guide him. She even compliments on how well he did “with my expert directing”.

The kids are kept happy with numerous potty breaks and snacks. They arrive at the beach house – hi “family helper” Jenny! The kids start yelling at Jon while he’s backing up, and he yells “SHUT YOUR MOUTH!” On the couch, Kettle Kate says “Pot, you’re black” only it sounds like “You weren’t very nice”. Kate says they were exhausted on low blood sugar and confused. She quickly divvies up the rooms. Only, Alexis doesn’t sleep with Hannah and Leah, so Kate decides that Alexis can sleep in the extra bed in “family helper” Jenny’s room. That Jenny is so accommodating!

Anonymous said...

It was a cute episode. Jon's outburst the only real negative. Think he apologized?

Anonymous said...

I am generally in the anti-sheeple camp, but I think there needs to be some benefit of the doubt given regarding Jenny, the "family-helper". Of course she's getting paid. Why the comments saying, "She sounds like a paid assistant, but of course, nothing is mentioned of paying her." Why would they discuss her pay/salary on national TV? I have friends with "family helpers"/nannies and they don't discuss with me how much they pay their helpers, but I know they aren't working for free. And they probably didn't call her a nanny because she does more than childcare (like errands or other *chores*, as some have suggested).

Another thing I think is interesting, is in the last couple of episodes (this one and Sunny Days), Jenny is traveling to their destination on her own/separately. Me thinks that means she's riding with the crew. I guess they can't acknowledge that.

nas said...

A few of things:

*I don't understand the room rules. Is it a boy/girl thing, or is it a special space/privacy thing for the kids? I get Mady & Cara needing their space, but is that the reasoning behind making the boys stay out of the girls room, etc.?

*“Family helper” Jenny puts Alexis back in her seat. Alexis slaps at Jenny’s arms. I wonder where she learned that from?

I don't think it's odd for a 4 year to hit at someone, especially if they are not wanting to be told what to do. Is this just me?

*Kate does not like the layout. The parents would have to sleep in the basement.

I agree with this. There is no way I would sleep in the basement and leave all my kids on the same level as the front door. Something eerie about that...

*Only, Alexis doesn’t sleep with Hannah and Leah, so Kate decides that Alexis can sleep in the extra bed in “family helper” Jenny’s room.

Okay - this is strange! Why not put Lex in with the other two girls on an air mattress or something? Why does she sleep in the basement anyway? I've missed that this whole time.

Overall, I've noticed such a change on the newer episodes. J&K seem to me more "purposefully reserved" in the chair. Good behavior I guess...?

Steph said...

Ahhhhh, you drove me nuts with these comments about Jenny.

Of course she's their nanny. We saw her being hired through "Nannies for Hire". So obviously she's getting paid.

I worked as a nanny for a while and people often referred to me as their helper. Sure enough I was also getting paid. But family helper to me sounds nicer than "this is our paid nanny, she makes 15 bucks an hour".

By the way, I had a little boy in my care, who would also always put his shoes on the wrong foot and then throw a tantrum if you attempted to correct it. Nothing would help, he just insisted on his way. He did grow out of it though.

I don't really understand why Alexis always has to be separated...though she probably felt special sleeping in a room with Jenny. But that she has to sleep in the basement seems pretty cruel to me...

Anonymous said...

Anyone could figure out that Jenny was a nanny of sorts and would be paid for her job. I don't think there was any trickery or secrecy about it to point out.

Anonymous said...

I am generally in the anti-sheeple camp, but I think there needs to be some benefit of the doubt given regarding Jenny, the "family-helper".

I think that the sarcasm is with respect to the title "family-helper" not payment. J&K are calling Jenny by the same title that they called people who volunteered to help and weren't paid. While J&K are no longer stating that they don't have paid help they are now using language that is ambiguous and letting people come to their own conclusions instead of coming right out and saying that they've hired a nanny/personal assistant. The benefit: people in their camp can continue to believe that they are a struggling family still in need of "family helper."

iluveeyore said...

This Jenny is not the same person who was interviewed as a "nanny" on tv.

I suspect that this girl was interviewed, hired by, and paid by Figure 8/TLC. I truly feel sorry for her having to put up with a kid who hits her and then shares her room. Seems to me she deserves some "alone" time.

(Alexis sleeps in the basement because she used to get up in the middle of the night and wake all the other kids. Instead of dealing directly with her behavior -- or lack thereof -- Jon and Kate just put her in the basement to sleep. They never seemed to think that was temporary. She will probably sleep in the basement until she leaves for college.)

Anonymous said...

It is very easy to teach a young child to put their shoes on the correct feet. On the inside of each shoe, where the balls of the feet are, draw a happy face with a sharpie. Teach the kids that the shoes need to "kiss" to be on the right feet. Done.
But that might ruin resale value! :P

ThreeFarmers said...

I was amused in this episode when Cara and Mady got hermit crabs as pets. (?!) Not exactly the cuddliest things on the earth. As I sit here with my 7 pets (6 cats and 1 dog... most of which were placed here by relatives who were moving or something), I can't imagine a household with that many children and nothing warm and furry to love. I understand the MESS involved with pets... believe me, I spend the 1st 20 minutes of my day cleaning litter boxes. It just breaks my heart to see Alexis trying to cuddle a hard plastic alligator. Kids and pets go together.

It took me a lot of digging to find it, but here's a link to a very old Pepsi commercial that I'm sure many of you will remember. I posted it on YouTube. It's the one with the little boy and the puppies. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYEDLef9iQ

Mia said...

It appears that Aaden is in there by invitation, for when Joel comes up saying that Aaden “has to get out, Mommy said so!” Mady comes out and says he doesn’t have to.

It was Cara, not Mady.

The kids start yelling at Jon while he’s backing up, and he yells “SHUT YOUR MOUTH!”

I sense some episode editing later on...

Anonymous said...

"While J&K are no longer stating that they don't have paid help they are now using language that is ambiguous and letting people come to their own conclusions instead of coming right out and saying that they've hired a nanny/personal assistant. The benefit: people in their camp can continue to believe that they are a struggling family still in need of "family helper."

I totally agree! And, all the while Kate can continue the illusion of being the role model of uber organized, 'do it yourself' super mom that some claim her to be! Unfortunately for TLC and J & K, this blog and many like it are leaking spoiler information to the masses before the airing of new episodes. Thus, calling in to question the authenticity and realness of this show and the family it represents.

Anonymous said...

I'm not seeing why it's a big deal that they call her a family helper. She's helping the family. I would think it was more weird if they discussed her pay rate on tv. It's clear she's paid, end of story.
As for Alexis in the basement....have you ever had multiples that consistently woke each other up? I have. It's not fun to try many times to get them back to bed in the middle of the night. I don't know what the big deal is. They have a very nice, finished basement and the parents room is on the main floor. It's not like she's two floors away or anything. They've made a point to keep the study room just that for the older girls. I think that's nice that they aren't letting a younger sibling in there to mess things up in the middle of the night. It seems like it's working well.

SecretMonkey said...

I think that the sarcasm is with respect to the title "family-helper" not payment. J&K are calling Jenny by the same title that they called people who volunteered to help and weren't paid. While J&K are no longer stating that they don't have paid help they are now using language that is ambiguous and letting people come to their own conclusions instead of coming right out and saying that they've hired a nanny/personal assistant. The benefit: people in their camp can continue to believe that they are a struggling family still in need of "family helper."

This was what I was trying to convey. Jon & Kate are pretending to be an average couple who are crippled by the constraints of 8 children. Yet they don't work outside the home, they don't seem to work inside the home, but they can afford property with a horse barn. And if they don't work, theoretically they don't need a paid assistant/nanny to take care of the kids or run errands for them.

sabrinasmom said...

A rerun of the Hiring a Housekeeper is on right now, this is an "older" episode. I am curious, do the first run episodes still run the same intro where Jon claims "and I work fulltime in IT"? Because we all know that is an .... "untruth". (Madskillz, not withstanding, closet time does not count)

Anonymous said...

No, the newer episodes don't have Jon saying he works full-time as an IT analyst.

Responding to how reserved in their slapping and criticism on the couch they've been, and I say they when I mean HER, yeah, it is obvious that she's been told to tone herself down, but you can so tell this is really pissing her off. All narcissistic people think they are not to blame for anyone and they are never wrong about anything, and so I know it is killing her to even comply to this extent. Greed, I imagine, has forced her to acquiesce, but if you look closely you can see the body language and the pinched mouth tell their own story.

I thought immediately that Jenni was a nanny even though i guess they used the title family helper. If Kon told me the sky was blue I'd have to check it myself anyway, so them saying taht didn't faze me.

Hopefully people who have a lick of sense will get the disparity between poor us with all these many kids living in a shoe to turning their noses up at a spacious horse ranch. And guess what, just because the previous owners had their bedroom in the basement doesn't mean that Kon would have to do the same thing. I truly believe that Figure 8 would renovate that house big time if it was what they wanted. My sense is that it was a photo op with the horses and a fake looking at houses episode.

P.S. I wrote to all the sponsors I could find of the show this day to tell them what I think about them sponsoring exploitation of children by wealth-seeking parents.

AmandaT said...

Let's go out on a limb and say that maybe "family helper" Jenny is actually a paid nanny. There are labor laws that state how many hours someone can work each day. There have been cases where nannies were not provided with separate sleeping quarters .... being forced to sleep in the same room as their charges broke the laws and the families were legally prosecuted.

Sharla said...

I think the limb for Jenny being a nanny or a paid production assistant provided by TLC is a very, very short one. Could she be the production assistant Jenny in the credits?

Anonymous said...

'A rerun of the Hiring a Housekeeper is on right now, this is an "older" episode.'

In this episode, Kate states that she experiences 'many barriers in her daily life' and having a housekeeper with a foreign accent would only add 'to those barriers'. WTF?! Typical Kate hyperbole!

Anonymous said...

Kids hit. Even well behaved ones. And most of the time they don't have to be taught...

Anonymous said...

How much would someone like Jenny (or Jodi, huh) be paid by TLC? Ballpark figure...

Oh, you all will love this story. When I was about 20 and a part time live-out nanny for a family (we're still close but I can't help but wallow over this), they took me to Hawaii with them. So it was 10 days, and they talked me into accepting $250 pay, because you know- airfare, hotel, food was paid by them!! But that's not all...I didn't know any better and had no days off, and the kids and I shared a hotel room. The parents room was next to us. I figure it made sense since they'd go out to work functions till late and someone needed to be in the room with the kids. Oh yes and I was the one who was up for the day at 3am when one of them got up at that time (still on a different time zone) and also so the parents could sleep in. Did I mention the tv was pretty much banned. The only plus I can say is that except for naptime, I was never alone with the kids during daylight hours.

I don't know why it grates me to think back on that.

Anonymous said...

A 4 year old child who in general is well behaved will sometimes hit another child, maybe a parent or close relative. I don't think that a well behaved 4 year will hit a non-family adult member.

Which means: 1) Alexis is not well behaved or 2) Jenny is a "mother" surrogate and Alexis is close enough to her to feel comfortable expressing her frustration with a slap at Jenny.

I have no idea which.

AnnaK said...

What bothers me the most is that Kate used every description in the book EXCEPT nanny to describe Jenny. She also said something like "we finally had to give in and get a family helper". Yeah, I guess having someone fold your laundry, put it away, cook for you, clean for you, and Jon being home all the time is exhausting. You must have a nanny if that is the case. *rolls eyes*

ThreeFarmers said...

But I love hyperbole. It's the bestest most awesomest thing ever!

Here is my short wish list for the Gosselins. I think if they'd follow it, they wouldn't need a PR team.

1. Jon, get a job. Any job as long as it's full time. You may not need the money, but this money train isn't going to last forever and your fans need to see that you are willing to support your family if need be. You're not getting a dime from me, that's for sure.

2. Donate something. Anything. Give something back to the community that has supported you since before you were on television. Instead of a day at an amusement park, how about you make arrangements with a local nursing home and take that brood of your to visit area seniors. When my Grandmother was in the nursing home, I would always take my nieces and nephews and any other kids I could get to go with me. The residents would go crazy for them and would spend all afternoon talking to them. One of my nieces has beautiful shiny long red hair and the residents would reach out to touch it as she walked by. Those people light up when youngsters are in the place.

3. Enough talk about Love Offerings. Every time those words come out of your mouth you sound like a beggar. People know about you. If they want to send some cash, they can figure a way to do it without you asking for it. And stop "selling" fan photos. It's so very, very lame.

4. Finally, and most importantly, don't allow your children to be filmed in private moments. Every time I see them on the potty I tear up. I understand that some things get caught on tape that shouldn't, but for all that is good and holy, don't use that material in the show. I don't think footage of those kids should be used when they are trying to get away from the camera. They have a right to not be filmed and when Mady is trying to put her hand in front of the camera, she's saying she doesn't want to be filmed! When that footage is used, it makes her look moody and difficult...which I suppose is "good television," but I consider it cruel.

If you would do these few things, you'd find the internet to be a much nicer place to visit.

Anonymous said...

I was wondering about the "summer getaway".
Exactly what were they getting away from? LOL

Ravello said...

It was interesting watching KON squirm talking about Jenny. They cannot say the word " nanny" but it is obvious a nanny is doijng the full time caregiving. KON is so worried about their image but the horse is already out of the barn. Only the most ardent, die hard sheeple buys Kate as a hand on Mom.

The Joel scenes always sadden me and if he wore his shoes on the wrong feet long enough to cause a blister, something is wrong. Neither KON works outside the home, wouldnt they have noticed? Or because it is Joel do they care?

Do these parents ever teach the kids anything?
All the episodes we have seen, I dont recall much of anything in the way of teaching moments. Other than what Mady and Cara teaching the little ones.

Anonymous said...

The boys can't go in the girls' rooms and the little girls can't go in the twins' room.

So the boys CAN'T go in the girls' room, but the girls CAN go in the boys' room? So the boys have two places that are off limits, whereas the girls only have one? And I guess their explanation was because the little girls use to room with the boys. So what? How long will that excuse hold up?

sabrinasmom said...

Exactly what were they getting away from?

The truth.

Anonymous said...

I don't think it's fair to assume that Alexis hitting Jenny was the result of seeing Kate's "love taps." We usually see Kate hit Jon when being interviewed or when the two of them are alone.

These children are introduced to many different people and have no trouble warming up to anyone. Alexis obviously felt comfortable enough with Jenny to hit her. Kids hit people.

Anonymous said...

"The boys can't go in the girls' rooms and the little girls can't go in the twins' room.

So the boys CAN'T go in the girls' room, but the girls CAN go in the boys' room? So the boys have two places that are off limits, whereas the girls only have one? And I guess their explanation was because the little girls use to room with the boys. So what? How long will that excuse hold up?"

In another episode (not sure which one), I clearly remember Kate telling the little girls that they were not allowed in the little boys' room.

hellokitty said...

"These children are introduced to many different people and have no trouble warming up to anyone. Alexis obviously felt comfortable enough with Jenny to hit her. Kids hit people."

Really? When I was a kid I never hit anyone. When you like someone, you don't hit them.

Robert said...

I don't know where to stick this, but I just saw on the TIVO list for tonight that the episode of Mystery Diagnosis featuring my son is on at the same time as J&K.

Well, we're also on at 12:00 if anyone is interested in watching.

Anonymous said...

hellokitty said...

"These children are introduced to many different people and have no trouble warming up to anyone. Alexis obviously felt comfortable enough with Jenny to hit her. Kids hit people."

Really? When I was a kid I never hit anyone. When you like someone, you don't hit them.


You had good parents. Maybe two year olds might slap out at people but that's why parent's nip that crap in the bud. Well it explains the proliferation of Nanny shows if parents think oh, yeah, kids hit that's OK and expected! No it's not it is unacceptable and one of the reason daycare centers really resent parents that can't seem to teach their children what's appropriate and what is NOT. Gah! Yes, it takes consistent monitoring and reinforcement but it's not hard to teach children not to lash out, bite, kick and all that other charming behavior that is wrong, wrong and wrong some more.

Anonymous said...

Three Farmers...If the Gosselin's did all those things you suggested on TV, they would be ridiculed because it would be called "damage control."

Second, Alexis hit her nanny, 4 yo children hit. I teach preschool, 3,4, and 5 yo kids...They all hit. Mostly because they are frustrated and don't use their words. Children at this age are just figuring out how to express themselves effectively. - This doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for her actions though.

When I was a nanny and went on trips with families I remember having a blast. First, my airfare, hotel accommodations, and food were all paid for. I got to go to awesome places (Belize, France, and beaches) and I got $1,000 for a week. I only slept in a room with a child if they were still getting up in the middle of the night. Yes, I was the full time caregiver for the week however it was great.

About the Nanny labor laws...I think that depends. For instance I was never hired out of a company. I met the family and became their help. I doubt anyone would have ever come in and had any issues with the amount of hours I was putting in or the sleeping arrangements. If me and the family was okay with it, then thats the way it was.

Also, as a nanny I did laundry, dishes, cleaned, etc. Mostly because I was there to help. Calling her a family helper is actually a nice way to say it. I was usually referred to as a "family friend" but obviously J&K aren't THAT close to Jenny.

"Summer Getaway" - are you kidding me...they are getting away from reality for a bit. We go on a summer getaway every year and we aren't hiding anything. We just prefer to call it "vacation." Families all across America and other countries do this.

Joel putting his shoes on incorrectly...Okay, so first we say J&K shouldn't be dressing the children because they are old enough to do so. Well, now we know for a fact they put their shoes on and they are ridiculed because the child doesn't know left from right...However, if Jon or Kate would have put on his shoes it would be considering "baby-ing" him.

About pets- I love animals and at my house we have a cat and a dog. But, we waited until the children were old enough to help out a bit with the animals. I don't blame Jon and Kate for not having animals...Could you imagine?

I'm sorry...such a long post!

ThreeFarmers said...

Three Farmers...If the Gosselin's did all those things you suggested on TV, they would be ridiculed because it would be called "damage control."

I hope you're not implying they shouldn't do those types of things because it would be "damage control". Good people do things like that because they should be done. If others call it damage control, then that's a sign they should have done those things from the beginning.

Four years old is old enough to have a pet in the house. Cara and Mady are plenty old enough to fill food and water dishes. It would teach those kids to be more gentle with others. It would teach them a little responsibility, too.

No one would have called teaching a child to wear the shoes on the correct foot "babying". I've never read where anyone called they way they parent Joel "babying", if anything, Joel usually gets less attention than the others.

Why is your post so defensive? Every time you speculate how people would react if J&K did something that was suggested, you state it like it's fact. That, in turn, sounds like an excuse to avoid making positive changes. Nothing I mentioned was negative.

Anonymous said...

"it takes consistent monitoring and reinforcement but it's not hard to teach children not to lash out, bite, kick and all that other charming behavior that is wrong, wrong and wrong some more."


There is a lot of talk about slapping and behavior. When a child can't adequately communicate he/she might use physical behavior to do so - in other words, I don't know how to verbalize that I am frustrated or upset so instead I'll do what comes easy for me and slap.

I like to think my children are relatively well behaved for three year olds, and yes, some times they hit and slap. Sometimes it's frustration at communication (because they have significant speech delays we are working on) and sometimes it's a three year old who gets so excited they can't control themselves. We tell them that this is bad behavior and is unacceptable and as time goes on it has improved but not disappeared.

I think it's a bit harsh to criticize this child and her behavior. This is a television show that is edited, no matter how the producers would like us to think it's an actual day in the life. Being the devil's advocate here I'll say perhaps Jenny or one of the parents reprimanded her for the behavior. I'd like to hope they did. But maybe they didn't. And with the fact that the show is edited we would never know for sure. The family used to give time outs like they were a regular part of the day. We haven't seen that in more recent episodes.

Anonymous said...

Four years old is old enough to have a pet in the house.

Not everyone is a pet lover. I can't see Kate getting all warm and fuzzy over a pet. It's better that no animals be brought into the house if there isn't going to be some compassion shown to them.

Note: by my saying what I did does not imply anything about the family, children or parenting skills or lack thereof of Kate and Jon. It's a comment on animals. Not everyone is an animal lover. Nothing wrong with that.

Why? said...

Mostly because I was there to help. Calling her a family helper is actually a nice way to say it.

Maybe this is nitpicky, but the issue I have with Jenny being called a family helper is that is the same language that they used for Nana Janet and other volunteers that helped out when the children were younger. Why not just come out and say that Jenny is a nanny/personal assistant/family helper THAT THEY HIRED. Given their history and the differences in the images portrayed on the show versus real life, the lack of straightforwardness is coming across as sly to me. In the mouths of someone who is straightforward, where it is understood that the person is a hired nanny, calling the person a family helper can be endearing. Context is everything.

discoball said...

I think Kate needs to be more specific than "summer getaway." After all they had the June trip to NYC, the July trip to NC and then the August trip to Hawaii. Maybe monthly getaway would have been more appropriate.

Also, I'm glad they don't have a pet. I would feel so sorry for any pet they had. Can you imagine? All 6 of the little kids trying to play with the dog/cat at the same time? Kate screeching and throwing the dog/cat toys down the stairs because the dog/cat had the nerve to bring the downstairs toy upstairs?

ThreeFarmers said...

Not everyone is a pet lover. I can't see Kate getting all warm and fuzzy over a pet. It's better that no animals be brought into the house if there isn't going to be some compassion shown to them.

You're right. Not everyone is a pet lover. I said what I did because Kate mentioned in a prior epi that the twins wanted a dog and most large families I know have a pet. All the kids obviously enjoy animals. I really didn't mean it to sound like I think everyone should have a pet. I just know if I asked for a dog and someone gave me a hermit crab, I'd look at them like they were nuts.

I guess those children will have to look to their parents to teach them responsibility. <---sarcasm *drip* *drip*

Anonymous said...

Joel putting his shoes on incorrectly...Okay, so first we say J&K shouldn't be dressing the children because they are old enough to do so. Well, now we know for a fact they put their shoes on and they are ridiculed because the child doesn't know left from right...However, if Jon or Kate would have put on his shoes it would be considering "baby-ing" him.

I don't think the ridicule stems from Joel putting his shoes on incorrectly - it's that he's done it often enough, and long enough, to create blisters. Which IMHO just screams out that no one is paying attention. It's quick & easy to do a shoe check. It's also quick & easy to put a visible L on the left shoe and teach him that since his left forefinger & thumb create the L shape that matches the L on the shoe that means that shoe goes on the left side.

As for the pet thing, with 8 kids I'd also be a bit leery about getting a pet. It's not so much the cleanup but all the "love" 8 kids would shower on a pet, especially 6 four year olds who don't yet know the power of their affection. One little extra-strong hug and bye-bye Miss Kitty. Considering the lack of supervision (I do believe J&K use the camera crew as babysitters even though the crew would much rather film an incident than intervene) they're better off waiting until the kids are older.

Anonymous said...

Three farmers- my apologies, I was not meant for myself to be defensive in my post and reply to you, however I was to a point defending J&K.

The damage control statement was made not because I think that it would be that, but perceived that way by members here. I feel that any time I see something good and cute on the show it's "damage control" I agree that "good people do things like that because they should be done"

I do disagree with 4yo being old enough for a pet. My classroom had a fish and the 4 yo children would never remember to feed it even though it was a child's "job" for the day. Some 4 yo children maybe, but not all.

and I never said teaching Joel the correct way to wear shoes is baby-ing. I said that they allow their children to dress them and we ridicule that now too. At first they dressed the children head to toe and we said they were baby-ing them, and now we are seeing the reverse...I was just trying to say that J&K cannot win. Again, my apologies for the misunderstanding.

Again, I'm sorry for seeing your post as negative...the sad thing is it's hard to see the good posts on here sometimes, ya know?! And again, I was not trying to be defensive for myself, rather for the Gosselins.

ThreeFarmers said...

You certainly don't have to apologize. This site is for discussion and opinions and you have a right to yours.

However, if Jon or Kate would have put on his shoes it would be considering "baby-ing" him.

Is what you said and I stand by what I said. No one would consider teaching Joel to wear the right shoes as "babying" him. If anything, Joel is the tup who gets the least amount of attention.

I felt as if you were trying to put negative words into the mouths of some posters, myself included, by speculating our reactions if J&K acted on some suggestions here.

When it comes to J&K doing some things in the name of "damage control", I say WHO CARES. The bottom line is people would be glad to see them giving back to the community whether it is sincere or not (sincerity preferred).

Really, about the pet thing. I wish I had never brought it up. Myself and all the children in my family have always had pets from the day we were born and none was ever killed in a hug or thrown down stairs. Feeding the dog was always my job and I was doing it well before I was in kindergarten because the 1st show and tell, I took the dog bowl. I stand by my statement that a pet might bring some enjoyment to that family. A trip to a shelter where they evaluate the temperament of pets for their ability to get a long with children would be perfect. A big adult Lab could be endlessly patient with the little ones and would easily survive being climbed on a few times. I don't think age is the real issue. I know some very gentle 2-year-olds and some 12-year-olds I wouldn't leave alone with a panther for fear of the animal's life. But, if ya'll don't agree, that's fine. No biggie.

Anonymous said...

Really, about the pet thing. I wish I had never brought it up. Myself and all the children in my family have always had pets from the day we were born and none was ever killed in a hug or thrown down stairs. Feeding the dog was always my job and I was doing it well before I was in kindergarten because the 1st show and tell, I took the dog bowl. I stand by my statement that a pet might bring some enjoyment to that family. A trip to a shelter where they evaluate the temperament of pets for their ability to get a long with children would be perfect. A big adult Lab could be endlessly patient with the little ones and would easily survive being climbed on a few times. I don't think age is the real issue. I know some very gentle 2-year-olds and some 12-year-olds I wouldn't leave alone with a panther for fear of the animal's life. But, if ya'll don't agree, that's fine. No biggie.

My family has also always had pets. I grew up with them as did my siblings. And I also witnessed what can occur when you mix a 4 yr old and a pet. My sister wanted to teach one of our kittens to swim and threw it in the pool. Thankfully our mom was watching and scooped it out immediately. In the J&K household (where tonight we witnessed kids in & out of the house without J&K noticing) would one of them be able to ensure the safety of a pet? Kids can be taught to respect and take care of a pet but until they reach that point an adult has to ensure the pet is safe, fed and taken care of.

And given Kate's aversion to any kind of mess (even those she creates in her mind) a pet would likely not work in their household - mostly for the pet's sake. It's hard enough to see those kids being scolded & ridiculed for being kids, I'd hate to see any animal be punished for having the audacity to shed, poop, pee, lick or any other behaviour you just know Kate will find disgusting. And her reaction will rub off on at least one or two of the kids and that poor pet will bear the brunt of it.

BK said...

Oh for the love of Buddha!! Kate standing on the beach, YELLING AT JON, when he only had Cara and Mady made me want a rogue wave to take her out. Kate is goign to send all of those kids to therapy. Seriously! Mady and Cara are not two. They've had two years of swim lessons and the water was only up to their thighs. He wasn't a hundred yards down the beach ignoring them. If she's so freakin' concerned about not having enough people in the water, then why doesn't she tell her "helper" Jenny to go down and help Jon? Of course, that would mean Kate would be alone with a few kids and that would be unheard of. But, the whole "this is dangerous" thing rings very thin when she's got the nanny standing with her to make sure sand monsters don't grab the kids and run away. *rolls eyes* I think she was upset that the attention was focused on Jon being a decent father.

When she started ragging on Jon about the salt water in Hannah's wound, I started shouting at the television. This is the same woman who completely screwed Collin because she was too busy looking at bunk beds to care about his wound, whereas Jon was disimpacting his son's rectum. If I were Jon, then I'd just start sending the kids to Kate for any booboos or illnesses since Kate thinks he's freaking incompetant.

WHAT THE HELL is up with this camera crew focusing on the boys' butts? First Collin's and now Joel's!

Kate saying that the twins "couldn't accept that the attention was off them" was probably the biggest hypocrisy on the show. Why SHOULD the twins always go first? If the boys weren't interested, why the hell couldn't the twins go after the little girls or play in the pools during their lesson. The shots prior to the lessons showed both girls going underwater and swimming.

5monkeys said...

Alexis obviously felt comfortable enough with Jenny to hit her. Kids hit people.

Kids may hit when they are frustrated, but they also need to be taught that it is unacceptable behavior.

Anyone watch the "Beach trip" episode last night? Alexis and Jenny went at it again, this time with a doll. Jenny was trying to get it from Alexis, and she wouldn't give it up. Jenny finally got it, and Alexis tried grabbing it back from her, and Jenny took it back.

If Jenny is going to be their "family helper", then Alexis and the others (I don't recall if any of the other kids have "issues" with her) need to learn to respect her as their caregiver, and that Jenny is in charge when J&K aren't around.

lynn/anon1967 said...

"WHAT THE HELL is up with this camera crew focusing on the boys' butts? First Collin's and now Joel's!"

bk, I've been thinking the same thing recently, there was the episode of the twins bedrooms being painted, (when K was sitting in the plastic chair outside, and had to call in Carla's daughter for help because she was so exhausted), and the kids were playing with a big ball sprinkler. One shot shows one of the tups, in some kind of underwear, but you don't know who it is, because for that period of time, the camera was only focused on the butt and underwear area. I hope they really investigated the filming people well, because with the hidden cameras, and the intimate shots, it really worries me, and isn't something I think any normal human would want to see on their TV. Kate has said in the past that if there is something they are really against, it wouldn't be shown, why wouldn't she use this option during those private moments.

Anonymous said...

I must say I chuckled through most of this episode. It was so transparent as to what Figure 8 was trying to do - total damage control. I believe they made things worse, because you could tell this was a "staged" production, right down to the pudding drawings and body paint. The showing of the butt cracks disturbed me greatly. Also, did anyone notice the camera showing Aaden wiping pudding off his "private area" and placing it in his mouth. Again, inapproriate.

ThreeFarmers said...

I so agree with the above posts. I literally screamed at the television when I saw those butt shots. I understand that many people take photos of their children in the tub and stuff, but those are private family shots. What parent would agree to have such private shots shown on television?

They might as well let strangers stand in the street in front of their house photographing the children because they just put questionable images of their children out there for every one to see.

They need to spend less time protecting their children from dirt and a little more time protecting those kids from the peeping eyes of those cameras.

Anonymous said...

As a child, I never hit, nor did my siblings. My children also never hit anyone.

I also have taught preschool and we did have a few children who would hit, but that behavior was changed immediately.

As for the shoes, it is odd that J&K can't find the time to help him learn to put his shoes on properly so his feet would not be hurt, but they find the time to make fun of him.

Anonymous said...

I did watch last night and I also noticed the camera lingering way too long on little Joel's sagging bathing suit back. What the heck? Maybe they did that because, did you hear, Kate said "Let me pull up your bathing suit, Joel" or something very close to that. I hope that is the only reason. I'm one of those who is totally against showing the kids being hosed down in the shower or going to the potty. Hey, if KON wouldn't want to do that themselves on camera they shouldn't want their kids on camera doing those things.

Kate standing on the beach screeching at Jon who was completely in control of the kids in his care and having (God forbid) fun was ridiculous. I did notice that the boys kept complaining that their hands were dirty -- read that sandy? -- never heard little kids so concerned with such things in my life. Not good, Kate.

Tootie said...

Speaking of pets, I think the biggest factor of whether they get a pet has been left out.

Will the pet, pet foods, pet products, and vet bills all be donated?

I believe those will be the deciding factors.

ThreeFarmers said...

You know. It doesn't bother me too much that much of last night's epi was staged for the sake of damage control. At least those kids got the go ahead to get dirty.

I'm a big believer in fake it til you make it. As long as they continue to let those kids play like normal kids, I don't care if the intentions are sincere or not. Putting forth an effort is better than we've seen until this point.

My hope is that Kate will start to see how much fun it is for her children and she'll start to look forward to that sort of activity.

Anonymous said...

Did you hear Kate comment about how people used to throw kids into water and that was how they learned to swim? Without the cameras there, I wonder if she would have thrown Joel in the pool?!

A common critism of J&K I notice, is that they pick the kids up by their arms ... I noticed when she was trying to compare footprints in the sand with Leah or Alexis and she picked her up by the arms there was a loud "OWWWW"! I love when the kids dis her when she's trying to be cute with them. Like when no one wanted her to sit in their little car on the mini steam train when they went to see Thomas!!

hellokitty said...

"I'm a big believer in fake it til you make it. As long as they continue to let those kids play like normal kids, I don't care if the intentions are sincere or not. Putting forth an effort is better than we've seen until this point."

I'm sorry, but I disagree. As long as the cameras are allowed, they will never play like normal kids. Kate standing with her arms crossed and not engaging with her kids is not much of an effort in my book.

Anonymous said...

In response to Tootie's posting regarding pets. I doubt very much if we'll see a pet in this family...unless somehow Miss Katey can train it to poop and pee on the potty (and have her camera ready!)

Anonymous said...

Another poster on the Facebook page pointed out that Kate treats the boys like second class citizens and that there is definitely bias, and she already got one nastygram back saying "if she doesn't like what she sees, then don't watch the show." Beware! Kate's Army of Lemmings are a force to be reckoned with!

Anonymous said...

Yup, more criticism on the J&K Facebook page. They're taking aim at this member who just posted her opinion about Kate's obvious bias towards the girls:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6672171198

Anonymous said...

I just wonder with KON relocating to NC, will Kate dress up as the lady of the manor in full cotillion dress, sipping on Mint Juleps and yelling at the "servants". And Jon will become a "gentleman farmer" and play golf every day (probably to get away from K's mouth). Pretty picture. We can call it "Kon With The Wind".

Anonymous said...

"I did notice that the boys kept complaining that their hands were dirty -- read that sandy? -- never heard little kids so concerned with such things in my life."

________________________________________

When my oldest daughter was very young, probably around the same age that the tups are now, she could play outside and be covered from head to toe in sweat and dirt and grass and God only knows what else (she was never a girly girl) but if her hands got the least bit dirty, she would march right in and wash them LOL I can't think about that without laughing :) But seriously, she would never tolerate dirty hands as a wee one.

somewhereinthemiddle said...

About picking up the kids by their arms....YES! I notice that all the time. When I was around their ages, maybe starting a little younger, my arm would pop out of place. It happened once when my mom was giving me a bath and once when I was playing with my sister, and then a couple of more times. It was never due to rough handling. But after it start everyone in my family was always so careful about grabbing anyone. I would never snatch a child's arm that way. You never know what could happen. Also, if you look at the adult's hand, it quite often appears to have a tight, pinched grip on the child's arm. I'm glad someone else is bothered by the arm grabbing.

Anonymous said...

We can call it "Kon With The Wind".

OMG! A definite quote of the week nomination!

Anonymous said...

About the boys especially and dirty hands. It is a known fact in early childhood that many boys have issues with their hands being dirty. I know if my classes boys are a lot less likely to finger paint than the girls are. They are also most conscious of their hands getting dirty.

Just my opinion...I didn't see anything wrong with that because I see it quite often.

BK said...

Good evening to you all!
Over the last two months, this blog has been a place to blog and vent frustrations about Jon and Kate's behavior. Having family and friends who've been taken in, and subsequently screwed, by them...well, I was happy to see that others were starting to wise up to the real story behind the "reality show".

I chose to post anonymously, using a surname (BK), because I've seen what happens to people who tell the truth. I became the voice for certain people, who are very close to the family, and was pretty comfortable being "the voice". Until today...

I have been careful about giving away identifying details. Even going so far as to not mention that I have a young child in the same age group as the twins. But, I screwed up on another blog, where I used the BK pseudonym, and said my child's name on accident. The hostess of the blog saw it and changed it within four hours. But, it wasn't fast enough.

Kon claims not to read the websites about them. This is bull. Four hours. It took them (or someone on their team) four hours. I started getting phone calls. I'd pick up the phone and the person would hang up. This happened several times and I really didn't think much about it. I figured that some of the kids' friends were prank calling. It's never happened before, but...really, I know it happens. Then, an e-mail came to an account linked to my place of employment. I'd like to share the content of that e-mail with you all.

"BK (my real name removed),
If the family is that awful in your mind then for heavens sake stop watching. They do the best we can so don't compare us to other people it is not right. When you have eight children to take care of you can say you're an expert on the family but you're not so just shut up. You can be sued for what things you say. Shut your mouth before it costs you. You know a few things but big deal who does'nt know some bad things about everyone. We know you left your son at school late everyday in March to May (Note: I had chemotherapy during the last semester of school. Since I wasn't in a state to drive safely, I had my sister picking my son up. But, her children got out of school at the same time, ten minutes away (at their school). So, yes...my son had to wait for his Aunt.). Is that good parenting, I don't think so....(I deleted a portion of this e-mail because there was quite a bit of identifying information about my family and the family member of the G's). Just stop watching the show okay. Stop spreading rumors true or not because you don't know the side of the story of the Gosselins. There are two sides to everything. We know you know *name removed to protect the family member*. *He/She* tells lies to make their own life better more. *He/She* chose to not be a part of the Gosselin life. Get a life."


I have no proof of the sender's identity. When I tried to reply, I was told that the e-mail bounced back from a deleted account. But, there are some telling slips in possessive pronouns.

Since I can't reply to the sender by e-mail, I will respond to one thing here. My son was never neglected. He was, however, a very sad little boy (because, he know it was possible I would die). If you are who I think you are, then your children could've "been a friend" and shown kindness in response to the situation. That didn't happen.

Which brings me to now. I don't know if I should post anymore. I'm very torn. I don't want this to become a detrimental experience for my child (now that he is known to the person who sent the e-mail). I may take a break for a while. Please, all of you, continue turning over couch cushions to find the crumbs. Keep asking questions and demanding accountability from sponsors, producers, and the family itself. It's a worthy cause, but one I have to put on the side for a while.

Thank you for being such a wonderful place for me to vent.
BK

Sharla said...

BK, I'm so sorry. Just remember truth is an absolute defense and they should remember if they file suit both sides get to take depositions. It's truly amazing what can come out in those.

Perhaps another name in a few days. One you would only use here. You don't have to tell us or you could email Serena or me.

Best of luck and again I'm so sorry both about the blog and your medical issues. Take care and thanks for being with us.

ThreeFarmers said...

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Peyton Place.

Well, I'd love to see how that You-Don't-Have-8-Kids defense holds up in a court of law. I wouldn't worry a thing about it, BK. You obviously have bigger things to worry about than the ramblings of that particular grammatically-challenged e-mailer.

When all people can think to say is "You don't know everything." They usually don't have any other point to argue. I've read your posts, and I've never seen you to claim to know everything. They have something to hide, or else they would just come out with the truth. The truth is the only defense they have and they aren't using it, so it must be very interesting.

Steph said...

BK-It has to be Jon that wrote it, because he has notoriously poor grammar and spelling. (From his posts on Triplet connection and while defending their "right" to a free Medicaid nurse for the tups 2nd year on a blog. (Even back then, Kate didn't want to parent them.)

Anyone who gives this "struggling" family love offerings or buys a signed photo "for their non-existent college funds" is truly misguided. They looked at a 1.9 MILLION DOLLAR property and have taken 4 big family vacations in the last year. (Plus one trip to LA for Jon and Kate and several trips to NYC-and that is only what is filmed!)
Jon has some nerve pointing a finger at you when they left kids with fevers and vomiting to get plastic surgery done in California!
But I guess he had to strike while the kettle was hot-good luck finding any friends or family to watch your sick kids now!

The fact that this family would even ACCEPT donations from strangers while they are unemployed and have millions baffles me. I doubt Dr. Gosselin would be pleased.

LFWH said...

BK,

As far as the comment about being sued, don't buy into that. An individual person cannot be sued for liable for statements made about celebrities because by being public figures they are in essence putting themselves out there in the public eye and can be scrutinized by people. The media (newspapers, TV shows etc...) might be sued but not individuals. It's pure conjecture on the part of the writer of that email.

So take heart that whoever it was is blowing hot air. If it was a Gosselin making that statement then they are just trying to scare you.

LFWH said...

BK,

This is a follow up to my previous post about celebrities or public figures that I got from a legal website:

"The law has been crafted to provide greater freedom for individuals to comment on and criticize those people in the public eye. Such people are classified as "public figures" and they are not given as much protection from defamation as are private citizens. Unless public figures are able to prove that a tabloid magazine acted with "actual malice"-knowingly printing false information, or acting recklessly as to whether it was false or not, public figures cannot recover damages for defamation. "

Hope this helps. Best of luck to you and my thoughts are with you during your medical difficulties.

Angela said...

BK, that sucks. Take the time that you need to regroup, and I do hope you return.

KDR said...

BK,

What a horrendously horrendous e-mail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think anyone is surprised, do you? What a coward. Oh, and JON (since you are obviously reading this even though you say you don't care), I would be very prepared for some tough Q & A at your next gig. I think plenty of non-supporters are going to be in the audience. How are you going to handle a room full of non Gosselin worshippers? HELLOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Thirty minutes of "We are not going to comment on that" is going to translate into no more $25,000 pay days. The coffers are going to be EMPTY.

Post your thoughts on this site, why don't you. Use your name or an alias as everyone else does. CONVINCE me you aren't lying to the public about your current financial state and I will take out an ad on TLC singing your praises. EXPLAIN why you and Kate make the decisions that are clearly $ oriented. Tell your side to all of us skeptics.

You play nice, and so will I.

sis said...

From the e-mail:

"They do the best we can..."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

What an idiot.

Steph said...

Horrendously Horrendous..heh.

Oh, and Jon? Get a job and quit mocking Joel! Dylan, Eric and Kip thank you for not making him a teasing target.

Manda said...

BK,

Please email Serena or Sharla ASAP.

Sera said...

BK...I don't know you at all, but I've read your posts and you come across as very intelligent and a wonderful family person. I can totally understand your frustration and hesitation to continue "fighting the good fight." But like many others have said, the truth will always win out in the end. I wish you well and hope to hear you back on here in the future.

If Jon did in fact send that email (he was my first suspect as soon as I read the "They do the best we can..." part), it's no wonder they dont show any dignity in their program towards their children - they don't know how to conduct themselves with it in real life!

My whole take is...if everything people were suspecting about the Gosselins was not true, then why the need to bash and threaten people? If someone is saying lies about me, it's more telling to keep quiet and dignified than it is to lash out. Lashing out only indicates there is something to hide, IMO.

Anonymous said...

yeah, this isnt the first time we've seen the slips in possessive pronouns or veiled threats.

Interesting how a tiny closet lit by a dim bulb and fingers connecting to a keyboard can make one suddenly grow a pair.

...or maybe it's just the coliform talking.

ThreeFarmers said...

Jon, since neither you nor Kate has gainful employment and you continue to solicit "love offerings" (bleh) from your fans, you are NOT doing the best you can. Those are just empty words.

Insulting Joel by calling him a girl is your BEST? Really? FYI, there's wrong with being a girl. When you said that you were hurtful to your son and your daughters. How could you say that? I know, you were frustrated and it was a hard day at the $3000/week beach house with the private pool and short walk to the beach. Boo f'n hoo.

adri said...

BK,IMO the email sounds like it's from someone who is scared. Scared that the Gosselin gravy train is coming to a screeching halt, and scared that many people who were once fans of the show have a different view now, which could soon mean the end of the show. People who are comfortable & secure DO NOT do that.

The "unless you have 8 kids..." argument is beyond pathetic. My parents raised 7 kids, and dealt with birth defects of 2 children, a horrid accident & near death of one child & yet...none of us lacked for anything, and we all still maintained our dignity. And guess what? None of us were on TV for this to happen. Scary, it wasn't necessary!

Also, I touched on this briefly in another entry, but:

Do I need to have served in Iraq to have an opinion on the war?

Am I not allowed to feel compassion for survivors of natural disasters if I haven't experienced one?

Do I have to know Justin Morneau personally to root for the Twins (this one I wouldn't mind!)

Can I only vote in this year's election if I personally know Obama & McCain?

Point being, and I really wish the "J&K lovers" would realize this, everyone judges. You judge when you buy groceries, clothing, what movie you go to. Here's another thing: A lot of the "J&K lovers" have brutalized Jodi on other blogs. So it's OK to bash Jodi, but no one can criticize Kate because "We don't know her"? Hypocritical much?

I do realize not all fans are this way, but the ones that are really make the whole bunch look bad, IMO.

Rant off, but boy, am I PO'd on your behalf, BK. Yet another reason why I will no longer watch this show. That, and there's less hitting in football.

Anonymous said...

Shut your mouth before it costs you.

That sounds like a threat to me - something that you has more legs in the "suing" department versus telling the truth about someone.

Anonymous said...

Stop spreading rumors true or not because you don't know the side of the story of the Gosselins. There are two sides to everything.

This person concedes that the rumors may be true. Yes, there are two sides to everything, but if the rumors are true, then the Gosselins (sic) side is a lie (or untruth)?

NewMom08 said...

BK: Keep on keeping on and if you need to change your screen name, please do. Cyberstalking is a crime, on the part of JON Gosselin and or anyone else. It is a privacy violation and a punishable offense. JON, YOU ought to be afraid of the repurcussions of stalking people online(from your closet cave hovel).
Bottom line to the Gosselins:
JON: Get a frickin job. Get a frickin clue-buy one with your children's fortune if you have to, but dude....honestly, this will not end well, can't you see that?
Do you honestly think that this will not all end with your public ridicule and hatred from the public? If you can't see this, God bless, hope your have a great financial planner-you'll need him, so don't toss him out like you have tossed everyone else.
KATE: I really do hope you are not beyond repair,girlfriend. But I'm starting to think that the chances for you to be normal are Slim to None, and Slim just hopped outta the picture. I also think that you have things completely backward...Jodi, Kevin, your Mom and Dad and other Siblings (aside from missing the children's lives) are the LUCKY ones. They won't be cought up in the scandal that WILL ensue when your deception is discovered. You are standing on your own, "its YOUR life" and you will fall on your own...

SmartyQ said...

BK: I am so sorry you had to go through that cowardly, despicable act. I must say, though, if it weren't for the emotional distress you've suffered, I probably would be ROFL at 'They do the best we can so don't compare us to other people it is not right. Whatta moron!

If you decide not to post here again, please know you hold a special place in my heart. I presume your chemo was for cancer, so do take care of yourself!

SmartyQ
2003 Graduate of Cancer University
Major Site of Disease: Ovarian

bk said...

I am getting on a plane very soon (for work). But, my husband is pretty handy with computers and he got the IP. We called around to people who may get e-mail from our most likely suspects and the IP we received didn't match exactly. Close, but not exactly. I don't know what that means. Hubby is telling me it could be that IPs aren't always static if you're using certain programs. What makes me uncomfortable is that it is from our area. I want to say that I don't believe Jon and Kate would ever harm the child of someone who oppposes them. They have too much to lose. But, it is disconcerting none-the-less. Whomever sent the e-mail will have to deal with their conscience. I believe that you get what you give. If this is how certain people handle criticism, then it's going to bite them in the heiny.

Earlier, I was really planning to stop posting. It was just too eerie to know that anyone was willing to keep such tight sights on Gosselin criticism. I mean, FOUR HOURS! My son's name is unusual, but still. Four hours! It spooked me. But, after talking with my husband and a few other people, I see that my reaction was exactly the reaction the e-mailer wanted. They wanted to shush me up. And, it appears it's the modus operandi. I *don't* keep my balls in a glass on the nightstand and refuse to back down to anyone who does. Now I can't decide which is more heinous: the suggestion that, because my son had to wait a bit, I was a bad parent for having chemotherapy or the fact that the e-mailer didn't know the situation despite it being pretty well known.
I need to get packed up and hit the road. Thank you, everyone, for keeping it real.

Manda, I'll e-mail you when I get home.

Maggie said...

BK, sorry about the harrassement, and about your state of health, hope things have improved.

ROBERT, sorry I just got back from vacation, I hope they will repeat the show about your son, I will look out for the show. I obviously do not know the outcome, but my thoughts are with you and your family.

Anonymous said...

BK, I am also a cancer survivor and I wish you a complete recovery. Cancer is not fun, but it does change your life in a positive way...you will have an attitude of gratitude and a completely new perspective on everything. The email that was sent to you was beneath contempt. If it was from Jon, I wonder how he calls himself a "Christian" or even a decent, mature person? That family has a wake up call coming, and because they have been so spoiled, and they feel so entitled, I shudder to think of what a rude awakening it will be. It would be good for their egos and their souls if they had to get this little thing that some of us like to call a "JOB"...those two lunatics need to get real, and fast. They don't have the intellect to see what they have become...in a word, ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

"they do the best we can"...that is SOOOOO hysterical and so telling.

Carolina said...

BK, I'm sorry you had to deal with that nonsense from anyone. It just goes to show how RIDICULOUS the whole Gosselin situation is. Honestly, threatening a child over something like blog posts? How asinine can we get here? Geez, that irritated me much more than it should have.

I wish you and your family the best of luck and health. :))

Anonymous said...

BK, kudos to you for not backing down from the attempt to bully you into silence!

Travis said...

I think Jon would be better served getting Hooked on Phonics than making idle threats to bloggers!

So "dreadfully dreadful".

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice the second line of the email BK got? It said;

"They do their best WE can so don't compare US to other people it's not right"
(I capitalized the words to make them stand out)

That right there tells who sent it.

Nat said...

BK, I'm so glad that you decided to keep posting here. I'm sorry that this happened to you and that on top of your health concerns and other life stresses you had to deal with these pathetic hollow threats. I totaly agree with one of the previous posters that this person is very scared. The're starting to scramble. I'm honestly not surprised that it only took them 4 hours... they seem like the type that would be scouring the interent looking for negative comments. The complicated web they have weaved is finally starting to unravel and the're scared.

I'm glad your staying BK, and I wish you and your family all the best.

iluveeyore said...

"I don't know where to stick this, but I just saw on the TIVO list for tonight that the episode of Mystery Diagnosis featuring my son is on at the same time as J&K.

Well, we're also on at 12:00 if anyone is interested in watching."


I watched the show about Zachery, Robert. (Great grandma Esther Goldstein reminded me very much of my grandma Jenny Cohen!)

How is Zachery doing now?

iluveeyore said...

It is fascinating that Jon managed to put both BK authors, on two different blogs, together.

He is actually cross-referencing. I really would have thought that would have been beyond him.

Kudos to Jon.

(He's got to be spending hours cruising the internet. I wonder if he has a mini-fridge in that closet.)

Anonymous said...

BK, we just want to let you know our thoughts and prayers are with you. There are many, many people who appreciate your openness, frankness and honesty.

Anonymous said...

iluveeyore said...

He's got to be spending hours cruising the internet. I wonder if he has a mini-fridge in that closet.

Another nomination for QOTW!

Anonymous said...

I have the last two Monday's shows on my DVR. I could not make up my mind to continue watching the show. Thanks to what just happened to BK, I will stop watching. I believe as long as there are viewers, a show will continue, especially a popular one. That is all a network cares about, the numbers.

I too was a fan until I started to question some things on the show that didn't make sense to a reasonable and astute viewer. I took to the internet and discovered a lot of things about the Gosselins. Of all the sites I have read, I really enjoy GWoP. Very informative and well organized. Keep up the good work.

BK, stick to your guns and do what you feel is right in your heart. I will not watch the show, but I will continue to read this blog (very additive.) The Gosselins kids did no wrong, and if there is any blame on the demise of the family, it is Jon and Kate.

5monkeys said...

Interesting how a tiny closet lit by a dim bulb and fingers connecting to a keyboard can make one suddenly grow a pair.

Don't you mean INHABITED by a dim bulb?

*snickers*

Seriously, though, I think the above comment should be nominated for comment of the week!

5monkeys said...

BK, I just discovered this blog maybe a week ago, and I have read your comments with interest.

I am so sorry this is happening to you, and I would not take these obvious threats lightly. If it continues, I would contact the police. Cyberstalking IS a crime, and it's not to be taken lightly.

IMHO said...

BK: Yours is probably the 1st post I commented on, and I always respect your posts. Others - not always so much - yours - always. I actually became emotional reading what was sent to you, especially in light of your cancer and chemo and your son. I'm sure the moderators here can trace IP's like mine, since I linked mine to a blogger account. Perhaps anyone can. The names in black on the screen are probably not traceable - in case anyone else here fears repercusion. I'm not sure about that, however, but I figure someone can trace any comment I make anywhere back to me. There is always that risk. But you always represent yourself well, so you should continue to hold your head up like you are doing! I don't use my real name because I don't want to discuss this show further than I do here, and I'm sure people I know pop in here. But the two moderators shown on this front page bravely do. If commenting about what you know about this family is illegal, this forum would have already been shut down.

Steph said...

Jon probably has both a mini-fridge and a potty chair in the closet.

Anonymous said...

I must say just when I thought nothing new can really be said about J&K (just new examples from new episodes), lo and behold we learn to what extent J&K are surfing the web AND keeping track of who is saying what, where, and when.

I am very glad BK released the e-mail she received and put it out there, even though she was nervous about repercussions to her family. So often people withdraw when threatened. To all the advice that she has received I would also add that she should keep a journal of how often someone calls and then hangs up, or any other suspicious activity that is out of the ordinary. If the calls continue or the harassment (e-mails, etc.)gets worse, the phone company can put a trace on the caller, etc. The more specific the information the better the authorities can help her out.

mlou said...

Dear BK,

In the email you received who does in fact sound like Jon, there was not only anger but fear. Hopefully this means they are starting to feel the backlash of their actions. It's just a shame that good people have to be bashed in the process. I've gotten alot of insight from your posts, but understand why you have to take a break. Best wishes to you and your family!

mlou

SmartyQ said...

I remember the episode where they showed Jon, his little desk in the row of his designer jeans, at work in the closet. I doubt there is room for a mini-fridge but wouldn't be surprised to learn Katie put a baby monitor in there, so she can be sure he's not having a good time. 'Helloooooo! I'd better not hear you laugh.'

Barbara said...

I completely agree with NewMom08 who said that the family of J&K are the lucky ones to be out of their lives.

What scum bags these people are. But I will say, I don't think Jon is scared so much as he is planning how to next scam, steal, whatever it takes to keep his gravy train going after his current TLC gravy train ends -- by their own behavior. What I mean by planning his next scam is he is now threatening to sue people (which can be extremely lucrative). What a lousy way to behave towards someone. Hang in there BK. He doesn't stand a chance of winning anything.

It just shocks me that they are still going around claiming they need money and then showing them looking at these very obviously expensive homes and beach houses. Do they think we are as dumb as they are? Does anyone know if it is really true that they are still sticking to their story of poverty when they are speaking? How would anyone believe them after watching these recent shows?

Anonymous said...

I really believe that J&K know that the "family secrets" may not remain secrets for much longer. I was a fan of the show, when certain things really started me to question the answers that they were giving - mostly about parents. It just seemed so odd to me that a grandparent would not be completely involved in their grandchildrens lives, especaily with that many kids. I cannot imagine not helping my daughter with 8 children under 5. So, to the internet I went - and low and behold found all this information. Not just here, but on plenty of other sites.
If I had these mis-givings, so do others, and soon the house of cards will crumble. Even if all we do is speculate about what they are showing us on TV - greater powers than us will DIG. Someone will get the whole truth, and then I wonder how much "damage control" will help. I think most viewers will feel duped and angry and the show will fade away.
As for me, I cannot watch this woman ignore her children and berate her husband. I stopped watching a while ago. But, I have decided that I will no longer buy products from any of the companies that support this behavior. We talk about the dumbing down of America - this is expecting Americans to believe that when you have a large family, "dumb" behavior is the only way to deal with it. There is almost no behavior from either of the parents, or the children that is appropriate. Talk about a train wreck.

tpk said...

BK - I'm sorry for what you are being put through. My suggestion would be to keep everything sent or posted to you by this person. In case you even need it, you just can't be too careful.

I am all the way across the country from PA & NC. I do not know the Gosselins. I do however, have a friend who is very closely associated with the situation. It has been requested by this person that I post nothing that is said to me, and nothing that is not already widely known. No insider information, period.

This person requested this because of stories such as yours. It's sad that some people have been intimidated, but my friend has a lot to lose should he/she be outed.

I'll post occasionally, and I even sent Serena a blog entry, though I doubt it'll be published. But I will never post anything remotely resembling insider information. I wish I could.

Stay brave, and don't let the nastinesss put you on the run. These attempts at intimidation won't last forever.

iluveeyore said...

"Anyone watch the "Beach trip" episode last night? Alexis and Jenny went at it again, this time with a doll. Jenny was trying to get it from Alexis, and she wouldn't give it up. Jenny finally got it, and Alexis tried grabbing it back from her, and Jenny took it back."

Jenny and Alexis fighting over a doll that Alexis was using as a weapon -- Jenny LOST. I do not think that Jenny has been given enough authority over the kids.

Jenny let Alexis keep the doll and made her promise not to use it as a weapon. That's absurd. Alexis is definitely manipulative and a liar -- we've seen that in past episodes.

(Anyone notice Alexis rubbing the table and licking her hand? Kate asked her if she was licking the table and she gets all innocent looking and says "no.")

iluveeyore said...

I find it laughable when people like J/K threaten to sue. WHAT do they think they will get? They are not exactly threatening Rockefellers.

OJ Simpson lost in a civil suit brought by the families of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. Neither of those families has ever received a penny.

If J/K LOSE whatever suit they bring, they will be the ones liable for attorney fees, court fees, etc. J/K have much more to lose than the people they think they're going to sue.

They seem to think that the threat of a lawsuit will terrify people. They ought to think again.

iluveeyore said...

P.S. I also think that any suit the Gosselins bring against anyone who has posted TRUE information on the internet will be deemed "frivolous." There are penalties for that.

Anonymous said...

Ha.

I'd LOVE to see Jon and Kate try to keep their lies straight in order to PROVE anyone else was lying. And the burden of proof would be on them.

Especially once they split Jon and Kate up to depose them and neither one knows the specifics of the testimony.

Anonymous said...

I think it's obvious that anything like a lwasuit would blow this thing sky high and the truth would really come out. Not such a good idea, especially for the adoring fans who refuse to accept the fact that things may not be what they appear to be. It would force the issue and be a real eye-opener!!!

sistah2 said...

.."Does anyone know if it is really true that they are still sticking to their story of poverty when they are speaking? How would anyone believe them after watching these recent shows?"

In June, when they spoke in NC, they were STILL crying poor and accepting love offerings. This is according to a post on this blog, from someone who attended. (I dont know how to link but the blog entry is dated end of June I believe). They are speaking this Sunday at a church in PA, then in Sept in PA again. I am sure we'll hear from someone what was said. I know that the church website for Sept.'s date says that attendees should be "come prepared to donate love offerings for the Gosselins". I truly do not know how dumb these ministers must be to actually present the G's in this way, after the last 2 or 3 months of shows.

Anonymous said...

A law suit! Hahaha...now that would be funny. They would never do that, BK, so don't worry. Not because they have no chance of winning (they don't) but because it would cut into their filming time on vacations.
Don't worry...the Enquirer is doing a "follow up" story. oops..just let the cat out of the bag.

sistah2 said...

Sorry - the blog entry I was thinking of was 7/12, "tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies".

Anonymous said...

I am an attorney and there are no grounds for a lawsuit for writing "the truth" about something or someone on the internet. We are all allowed to have opinions so just stating your opinion on this blog is absolutely protected by free speech. If BK had written something about a specific incident with KON and had lied about it and it could be proven that there was a lie, then there could be a potential for slander. But it sounds to me JOn is the one who should be worried about telling lies as he is implying the a woman didn't arrange to pick her son up and purposefully left him at school - Jon has distorted that fact and has lied about it, and it makes me sick. Please don't worry about what you write here. As long as it is an opinion or the truth about an actual incident or a person, you are fine.

Jennifer said...

Kudos to you for continuing to post, and advocate for the children in the only way we know how (at this point). I'm so glad that you shared the e-mail you received...and I agree that is sounds like some folks are getting really nervous- nervous that their lies are now exposed, their gravy trian is about to come to a halt, and nervous that we, the viewers, see that Kate Gosselin is a walking personailty disorder, and Jon is a lazy bum. Someone is scared, and someone is brave.

You, BK, are brave. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

BK:

I would contact law enforcement about the email you received, along with all identifying information that came with it (IP, tracking, etc.). Involving innocent children in adult shenanigans might be Jon Gosselin's idea of fun and giggles, but I think that police officers might view the matter a little differently. Cops don't like it when adults make threats that involve kids.

My next phone call would be to the local news station, or go big and contact someone like KYW.

5monkeys said...

In June, when they spoke in NC, they were STILL crying poor and accepting love offerings.

That is pathetic.

I hope more people attend their speaking engagements and question their integrity during it.

They can refuse to answer the questions, but they more it happens, the worse it will look for them.

linnea said...

"Stop spreading rumors true or not because you don't know the side of the story of the Gosselins."

Is he actually threatening BK to stop telling the truth? It takes balls to make a statement like that so Kate was probably the author of the email.

*He/She* tells lies to make their own life better more."


Puuleeze. Kon has been telling lies and/or withholding truths for a long time to make their lives "better more." Just when I thought they couldn't be any more low class and pathetic, they outdo themselves.

IMHO said...

Anonymouse 5:19 pm on 8/20 said: "I am an attorney and there are no grounds for a lawsuit for writing "the truth" about something or someone on the internet. We are all allowed to have opinions so just stating your opinion on this blog is absolutely protected by free speech."

Good to know! Loosely translated to me, this says gossip and speculation are allowed but unless you report gossip as truth, you're good.

Back to IP's - I think the minute you go to a web site, your "print" is traceable - a good hacker can find you. So please, everyone, we all need to use good sense when posting - just as you would in a real world conversation.

Again, I read a few of your past postings, BK, and you have nothing to be ashamed of - even things you said in jest. I feel badly that you have to worry about your son being affected by this. I wonder how many local supporters the family has left! Many teachers and principals are pretty good at stopping things before they get out of hand - lets hope if things begin, they will end quickly! Plus - the Gosselins are moving from your area - yeah!

Anonymous said...

I didn't see anything in the email about threatening BK's child or any other child and yet I see comments about it. What am I missing?

LBP said...

I was at the twins convention in Boston (July 24-26) and saw Jon speak. I want to address the nanny/family helper Jenny. Jon said she is NOT from Nannies for Hire. They stopped using them because they felt more comfortable with someone they knew and who knew them. She helps with other things in addition to the kids, ie: errands, emails, etc. And yes, she does get paid for 30 hours a week.

IMHO said...

"I don't want this to become a detrimental experience for my child (now that he is known to the person who sent the e-mail)"

Anonymous: This was BK's comment that I believe caused those posts.

tpk said...

"I didn't see anything in the email about threatening BK's child or any other child and yet I see comments about it. What am I missing?"

There were also sections that were not postedd by BK, due to indentifying information. It's possible that there was something in there to worry about.

Mimi said...

BK -- I'm very sorry to hear that you and/or your child have been threatened. That's something law enforcement needs to know about since they take those things seriously.

Keep your chin up -- we care about you!!

NON said...

BK My 11 year old daughter is also a cancer survior(brain tumor) Her tumor is stable now. I am so sorry you have the stress of this e-mail. Jon and Kate need to know what real stress is, they need to realize how wonderful and non-stress their life is.

Robert said...

iluveeyore said...
I watched the show about Zachery, Robert. (Great grandma Esther Goldstein reminded me very much of my grandma Jenny Cohen!)

How is Zachery doing now?

8/20/2008 9:49 AM


Zach is doing as well as can be expected I guess. The enzyme replacement slows further damage, but can't undo damage already done, and doesn't treat the central nervous system. We (and other parents in our situation) still hold out hope that our kids will hold on long enough for a more effective treatment to be developed.

and the Gosselins think they have it tough - they haven't got a clue.

Ryan Seacret said...

LBP said...

I was at the twins convention in Boston (July 24-26) and saw Jon speak. I want to address the nanny/family helper Jenny. Jon said she is NOT from Nannies for Hire. They stopped using them because they felt more comfortable with someone they knew and who knew them. She helps with other things in addition to the kids, ie: errands, emails, etc. And yes, she does get paid for 30 hours a week.

8/21/2008 10:22 AM


I thought that Beth's daughter and possibly Carla's daughter were both Nannies For Hire employees? Well, guess those 2 are now out of the picture.

iluveeyore said...

"I would never snatch a child's arm that way. You never know what could happen. Also, if you look at the adult's hand, it quite often appears to have a tight, pinched grip on the child's arm. I'm glad someone else is bothered by the arm grabbing."

I clearly remember Jon telling one of the little girls that he had to hold her hand -- as he walked with a boy on the other side. He was gripping her wrist. She said "that's not my hand."

Christi said...

I thought that Beth's daughter and possibly Carla's daughter were both Nannies For Hire employees? Well, guess those 2 are now out of the picture.

I thought the same thing. Didn't one of their babysitter-friends sign up with Nannies for Hire and keep taking care of the kids (after Dr. Phil gave Kon the nanny hours)?

sabrinasmom said...

They stopped using them because they felt more comfortable with someone they knew and who knew them.

Julie mentioned "Jenny" before she was introduced on screen. Prior to her introduction as the new "family helper" - there was no mention of her at all. So for Jon to say this does not make sense - UNLESS - earlier someone stated that "Jenny" the new family helper is really "Jenny" the Production Assistant then yes, it does make sense that she is the kids caregiver because "they knew and who knew them".

It is really hard to get the stories straight isn't it?

misslawyer said...

iluveeyore said...
I find it laughable when people like J/K threaten to sue. WHAT do they think they will get? They are not exactly threatening Rockefellers.

OJ Simpson lost in a civil suit brought by the families of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. Neither of those families has ever received a penny.

If J/K LOSE whatever suit they bring, they will be the ones liable for attorney fees, court fees, etc. J/K have much more to lose than the people they think they're going to sue.

They seem to think that the threat of a lawsuit will terrify people. They ought to think again.

8/20/2008 3:01 PM

Kate and Jon would not have to pay the defendant's attorney fees. If they got a lawyer who would take part of any settlement, they might not even have to pay their own. If they lost, he would simply get nothing.

OJ hasn't paid for several reasons. He lives in FL and that state protects people's homes during lawsuits. His main income is a pension, which is also protected from lawsuits. This would not be the case for everyone.

MissLawyer said...

Let me just add, because of the way our legal system is structured, people must defend themselves when sued. Very, very, very few cases are thrown out over the frivolous nature of the case. Our system is set up to allow even the silly cases to be decided at a trial.

Does anyone remember the dry cleaners sued for misplacing someone's pants? I thik it was in D.C.? The man wanted millions of dollars for the pants. He, of course, lost but the dry cleaners lost their business because of the cost in defending themselves. This is why so many cases are settled outside of court. In many cases it is state sponsered extortion. But, that is our legal system...

Lonnyswife said...

I'm curious. Isn't there some law on the books about misrepresentation for monetary gain? Not so much in the pyramid-scheme sort of way. More in the "My child needs surgery and we can't afford it" (when in truth the child doesn't need surgery at all). Would be funny if a love-offering offerer were to sue for their $$ back.
Maybe the lawyer from up thread can answer?

K.C. said...

misslawyer said...Kate and Jon would not have to pay the defendant's attorney fees.

I beg to differ. I was sued by a former employer for allegedly violating my non-compete agreement. (I left the company and went to work for a competitor. Several very large accounts went with me). To make a long story short, they lost, I won, and they had to pay my attorney's, (huge), fees. Granted, I paid my attorney initially and had to wait a very long time for reimbursement but in the end they paid.

AmandaT said...

BK, thank you for sharing and for continuing to post. One of the reasons that the KON charade has gone on so long is because they have intimidated people to keep them quiet. The more people who realize that KON really have no power to do anything, the faster the facade will crumble, and the sooner those children will get out of the public eye.
Really Jon, what are you going to do from your little closet? Instead of spending so much time stalking and harassing people online, you could do some reading. There are lots of great parenting websites from which you could learn a great deal.

And Robert - no kidding, J&K have no idea what tough is. I hope that some medical breakthroughs occur quickly and your little one heals completely. Your son is in my family's prayers.

Anonymous said...

BK

You are the total opposite of KON. It makes me sick that Jon ( and it had to be Jon, not his PR people, since they wouldnt know details about your family or son) would even dare open his mouth about your son having to wait in school for a few extra minutes because of your sister picking him up due to your cancer treatments. It would almost be funny if it wasnt so tragic. How disgusting of him! He doesnt know what to do in face of a REAL WOMAN and mother who is brave honest and forthright, a REAL role model for her kids and a decent (and articulate) person. Unlike that energy vampire/toxic personality he's married to. I know if Kate had a disease and was in your situation, she would want a government sponsored chauffer to pick up her kids because Society would be responsible since society caused cancer to exist.

That email and those calls you recieved astound me. They really do. I would not be intimidated for even one second by that idiot. They might blow a lot of hot air but won't do anything except withhold their children from you, and it looks like that is not a concern since you werent in contact with them. They can't do anything to Julie, they can't do anything to you. Those threats however, would be interesting to authorities and even media. Wouldnt it be great if Jon was outed as the closet bully loser that he is. I read your posts about his emails last night and I couldnt stop thinking about it all night. What kind of a lowlife would do what Jon does, and Kate does. They know they are wrong, they are just being bullies and it shouldnt work ever! Please speak on.

This Kon job needs to end!!

Lonnyswife said...

Anon 01:05 said: "Wouldnt it be great if Jon was outed as the closet bully loser that he is. I read your posts about his emails last night and I couldnt stop thinking about it all night. What kind of a lowlife would do what Jon does, and Kate does. They know they are wrong, they are just being bullies and it shouldnt work ever! Please speak on."

The kind of person who is afraid of falling off the gravy train as it speeds away from the platform. Or the kind of person whose only comeback is "You're just jealous"
(Insert "neener-neener-neener" here)
First they say: Look at us! Look at us! Aren't we just the greatest!
Sooooo, we look. And being human and caring and concerned we can't help but notice that something is off. Maybe we ignored it the first time, maybe even the second. But Hellloooo Kon---we aren't all crazy enough to believe that everything we see on tv is the gospel truth and that just because someone SAYS they are in financial need doesn't mean they necessarily are. And I think most of us are intelligent enough to assume that when several news outlets (papers & magazines) report on something and they ALL seem to have the same story, well then, there must be at the least, a kernel of truth to it. Although as you have stated over and over they are all telling lies and we are to believe only what comes out of your mouth.
BK-put your shoulders back and hold your head up. Remember the old school yard thing? Sticks and stone will break my bones but words can never hurt me. Besides, if all the 'rumors' are true, they are going to be gone from your area soon and will have a whole new crop of people to alienate.
Cheers girl!!!!

Kristee said...

BK~~~

Wow...I don't know what else to say. Like someone else upthread I had last week's episode on my TIVO and hadn't watched the whole thing. Now, not only is that removed but the season pass to this farce of a show has been removed too. I think that email needs it's own posting...a stand alone that isn't buried in between other posts. People HAVE to see this to believe the lengths Jon Boy will go to keep the lies going. I have a personal blog that only gets about 200 viewers weekly and I will post a link to this thread so all can read what a pathetic man Jon is....the world is starting to wake up to J $ K Gosselgreed.

Please, if there is a way to put this on the front page of this blog...can you??

Another thing to consider BK. My daughter was being cyber bullied by kids at school. We took the emails to the police and they took it very serious right from the start. They said they can not afford to put one person at risk by ignoring such threats. We went to the police on a Monday morning, and by Wednesday the author of the most disturbing threats had been found. The threats were similar to your in the sense my daughter had information regarding a crime (she witnessed) and the bullies wanted to shut her up. Please, consider going to the police. They have various programs to get IP addresses that can ultimately pinpoint the origin of the email. Good luck....stay brave!! Kristee

Kristee said...

I just read BK's email again. Did Jon graduate high school, really? I'm being completely serious because that email looks like it was written by a child! God help the tups if those two beauties decide to home school.

Anonymous said...

Has this stuff been mentioned before?

1. Kate smacking Jon ( yet again ) when they were in the garage and she walked into the fly trap?

2. Tups chewing gum in garage when Jon was trying to back the U Haul into the driveway?

3. No one removed their shoes when touring the million dollar property in VA? Yet she makes everyone remove their shoes before they enter her house.

MissLawyer said...

Answer to KC -

You probably got your attorney fees paid because it was in the contract you signed. It most likely said that the losing party had to pay the winning party's attorney fees.

Just in normal cases, without such an agreement, losing parties DO NOT have to pay the winning party's fees. That is not the way our system works, unless a prior agreement provides for this.

Anonymous said...

The two properties that Jon "researched" on line were totally inappropriate. So much for his research skills.

Anonymous said...

BK
If the worst Kon can find to say about you is that your son had to wait a few extra minutes in school due to your unfortunate (and dire) illness, you must be living a pretty exemplary life.

As for Kon, the words "beneath contempt" are much too kind.
I'd like to see what the media has to say about Jon's little love note. He sure outed himself as someone who will stoop to extremely degrading behavior, willing to say absolutely anything, and for what? Is this what he calls "doing anything for his kids?" He needs to understand that when he hits a new moral, ethical low in that closet of his, your his lovely children can smell the psychic sludge all over him when he comes out. Kids are extremely sensitive to energy and they will be able to tell at many levels if their parents are worthy of their respect. He demeans them, himself and his entire family. Seriously.

blahblah83 said...

“SHUT YOUR MOUTH!”

Notice they did not catch him on camera saying that. The production crew had to be sneaky to get Jon’s "real" personality on camera.

Lady Lou said...

Aw BK, I so enjoy your comments. Please don't be intimidated by these 'persons' if they can be called that.

While I've practically given up on this show and don't watch it regularly, I did peek at this episode. I'm not missing anything, except now it's all damage control. No thanks.

K.C. said...

MissLawyer said...
Answer to KC -

You probably got your attorney fees paid because it was in the contract you signed. It most likely said that the losing party had to pay the winning party's attorney fees.

Yes, you are correct. I apologize, there was a clause in the contract about fees.