Give J&K Enough Rope, They'll Hang Themselves

I think this post explains the title of this blog entry with no additional commentary from GWoP required.

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

AAAAWWWW!
((((((((((Nadia))))))))
I feel so bad for you. I'm not going to dance or gloat or anything else, I'm just gonna say, "Now you are finally seeing what me, GWoP and it's posters and readers have seen all along".

Don't beat yourself up over it.

I love your idea of donating those things to a womans shelter. Kate wouldn't have thought of that. You are a better person then her.

KiKi said...

It was a difficult realization for me, as well, when J&K's true colors shone so brightly they could no longer be ignored.

I felt like I needed a shower.

Judy said...

I just had a thought. I almost wish I/we could sue Figure 8 or Jon and Kate or whoever for the "untruths" they put forth in the early episodes of the show.
They sucked us all in with their "normal" lives. They made us think we were just like them and that finally a "real" family was being portrayed on TV. Then KAPOW!! They take away all the "reality" and replace it with "Keeping up with the Kardashians" for heavens sake! I dont want to see a family that is living in a bubble with free trips coming out their arses. I want to see The Dilleys :(

Anonymous said...

"I love your idea of donating those things to a womans shelter. Kate wouldn't have thought of that. You are a better person then her."

Well said Anon. Very true. It's sad that J&K couldn't do more good works with their notariety. But instead they are being selfish. Well now we're seeing their house of cards begin to fall. As my Mother always used to say, "you reep what you sow".

Anonymous said...

Nadia, I know this was difficult, it was hard for me too, especially because of the children. I actually bought toys, sent money, etc., but as I realized more and more what was really going on, I started feeling foolish. I decided instead of channeling that energy negatively to donate time and money to really worthwhile causes. I still love the kids, who wouldn't, but I just can't get passed J&K.

Anonymous said...

Beautiful post Nadia! Big hugs!

Nadia said...

I have to say that I was very surprised to see myself as a topic of conversation on here. I have never been involved in any conversation on here and my post was meant only as a goodbye to friends. Thank you to those of you that thought that the woman shelter thing was a good idea, I am involved in a lot of charities in my community and get a great deal of joy out of doing so.

Manda said...

That takes a lot of guts Nadia. Despite what people may want to say, these childrens' most intimate moments are not 'merely entertainment value on TV'. These are real lives, real feelings, and real personalities being formed before our eyes. They deserve better than this.

You may be surprised, but I think it's safe to say 95% of the dedicated GWoP audience probably started out enjoying this show and maybe even had some admiration for Jon and Kate. The kids and their cute factor were always the hook, no doubt. I distinctly remember thinking in the first special though, how 'together' they seemed to have it, and I actually thought the children were blessed to have such organized parents.

Maybe all that was true at the time. I'd like to think my eyes didn't deceive me. I know what I saw way back then.

But things changed. Drastically.

Nat said...

I couldnt have said it better! Well done! It takes alot of guts to post something like that at a "fan" site.

Good for you for donating your time and crafts to the shelter, I'm sure they will be appreciated much more them if you sent them to Kon. And your kids will be grateful for the extra story, :)

Good job!

Anonymous said...

Great post Nadia!!!
I too was once a fan of the show, never thought to make them anything though or donate money. As the episodes progress you began to see the house and garage look more and more like a toy store. Then came the trips and talks of moving to a new bigger house. This is not normal for two people with no income. Especially with the cost of fuel, food, and the housing crisis. It seems like the general public has more concern for the children then Kon do.
Nadia you seem like your a woman with a big heart. Good idea about donating to a womens shelter.

Penny said...

I was never a "sheeple". But, I used to really like the show. I was even fond of Kate at one time. Over the last couple of months my feelings about the show have changed.

I just got through watching a rerun of the tups 3rd birthday bash. I remember watching that show when it first aired. At the time I remember thinking that Kate over-reacted about the washer running over and about Jon cutting the banner. But, all in all, I thought it was a great party given by two nice parents.

When I was watching the show tonight I was thinking how different they seemed then. Kate was actually doing things. She had people helping with the party, but she got up early to do stuff too. Jodie was there as well as Beth and another friend.

Kate didn't snap at the kids when they ripped the paper down. She didn't yell at Mady when she asked a question. She calmly explained that she was busy at the moment.

But, there were some things lurking under the surface, things that weren't as apparent to me when I watched the episode last year.

There was one part where "Nana Janet" rode a pony. Kate kept yelling "Don't hurt yourself. I need you." She didn't seem concerned about Janet, only herself. She also made fun of Janet's weight by saying that the pony couldn't wait for it to be over (or something to that effect).

But, I have to say, Kate seemed much happier then than she seems now. She was wearing a pink wig and laughing and playing with the kids. I don't see much of that on the show anymore.

Seeing that episode really showed how much the show has changed in just a short time.

linnea said...

Debbie from Facebook wrote:

"I agree that for those that do not like the show, change the channel and dont watch. But for those like us that do, lets respect Nadia's comments and take them as such. Lets continue look forward to each episode and take the show for what it is. Great entertainment."

As explained by the gals who started this blog, the purpose of this blog is help people understand the Gosselin children were not put on this earth to entertain us. All eight of them are unique, intelligent and beautiful, both inside and out. They deserve a what every child deserves, a safe, loving home where they are free to be themselves. No home should have permanent industrial stage lighting. They should not be filmed using the bathroom, they should not be filmed sobbing after being reprimanded. Of course people were interested in how a family with twins and sextuplets survives and a yearly special or update would have been fine. Now, common sense seems to have been replaced by greed and money.

Someone needs to be a voice for these eight kids, that is why the people here at GWoP simply can't "change the channel" and put them out of our minds.

{{hugs}} to Nadia, what you said took alot of courage.

Chris said...

Fantastic post Nadia!!

I'm glad that you included that quotation from the book of Matthew. It seems to be forgotton by much of the world. I don't see Kon living by that part of the gospel.

I hope that you tell your own children about his decision that you made, and of the donation to the woman's shelter. I'm sure the story will be passed on to show what kind of person that you are, a great one.

Mimi said...

Nadia,

We understand!

I realize that your former FaceBook group may think that everyone who posts here is a foaming-at-the-mouth, certified Kate-hater but that's not true.

Many, perhaps most, of us were once uncritical fans of the show and then had our eyes opened by things that have happened.

I, for one, still care very much about the children but any blinders that existed regarding Jon and Kate are long gone.

Mimi

SmartyQ said...

Nadia, I know your decision wasn't an easy one. You are a decent and caring person, and I know the women's shelter will be appreciative of your contributions. The women's shelters always need things, and some items are things you'd never think about. Sanitary supplies, for example, are always welcome. Every month I buy big boxes of tampons and sanitary napkins for a shelter. I'm sure the clerks wonder why a little old lady needs such things. :) Best wishes for a long and giving life.

Anonymous said...

((((((Nadia)))))

Angela said...

Nadia, that was a classy post you wrote. You carefully wrote out your thoughts without passing judgement on others. Good luck in your future endeavours.

Anonymous said...

According to this article in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_334106.html) Jon was working in the Governor's Office. And he left that job? I'm sure state jobs include health benefits for family members.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to the Dark Side Nadia! ;)

KIDDING!!!!

Renee said...

I was never a fan because I started watching the show this year. I have seen every episode but Kon never seemed all that organized to me... I still watch for the kids but they were barely even in the last episode so IDK what to do now.

Anonymous said...

Nadia, you are not alone.

I think you'll find that a lot of people have come to the same painful realization.

I have been saying all along that I wish people who want to give, would give to those truly in need. I cannot tell you how heartwarming it is to know that you are donating time and love to a true and worthy cause. I hope more people will follow your example.

partyofseven said...

As a mom of multiples (triplets) I watched the show and was amazed at how "together" they were. I was a HUGE fan!

Then I realized how much deceit was going on. They made it seem like Kate was doing it all...and as a mom of multiples I appreciated it! She has 8 kids, I "only" have 5! She was amazing to me.

I felt BETRAYED when I found out that she was given EVERYTHING, has a chef and a nanny, and NOTHING in that show is real! I felt *angry*. Why should SHE be given props for "having it all together" when there are moms out there who do it alone, without government assistance, without exploitation of our babies, and do it GLADLY because we love our kids.

Just my 2 cents.

hellokitty said...

"Many, perhaps most, of us were once uncritical fans of the show and then had our eyes opened by things that have happened."

Yes. I loved the show at first and thought that they seemed like a nice, normal family. Then it just started to feel different. A couple of months ago I did a quick online search to look at message boards to see if maybe others felt the same way. They did!

However, I wish that my suspicions weren't justified. It is so sad to read the truth, and I commend Julie and others for coming forward.

Nadia said...

Thank you so much for your kind posts, like you partyof7 I am a mom of multiples myself, I carried two sets of twins but sadly I lost my oldest twin half way through the pregnancy, then we were blessed again with a set of identical twins (no I did not have fertility treatments). So I had three amazing boys in 18 months! It was (is) very busy and I too admired Kate for being able to keep everything all together. I live by the unwriten rule that I never say anything against another multiple mom as I feel that it is one of the hardest jobs in the world. That is one of the many reasons that it was very hard for me to write that post.


Thank you Smartyq for bringing that to peoples attention. I myself spent sometime in a womans shelter as a child so I am very aware of the overwhelming need for many things like that. I always bring a big box of personal things right after Christmas as it seems like everyone gives me much more lotions and bath products then I could ever use.

I have often wondered why J&K did not use their influance to do fund raising for the NICU in there area, I had 29 week premmies and I never miss telling there story to help raise money to save other babies.

They could do so much good with the attention they get.......

Jen said...

Nadia,

What a brave post! I also started out as a huge fan of the show. I had literally just given birth to my first child when I discovered the show a few days later. I felt like it was a great way for me to see in the early days of having a newborn (which were very difficult as most parents know) that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and if they can handle 8, I can certainly handle 1!

But sometime around February of this year that started to change for me. I was one of the people who used to defend sort of Kate's demeanor because I figured that she was so busy with the kids and put their needs first. As time went on, the show started to change, Jon and Kate started to change, and then I realized that there was something not right about this show. It was clearly faked up...so scripted and contrived. The early episodes were wonderful, and I hate seeing them now because I wonder how much of THAT was true and how much of it was a fabrication by Jon and Kate.

The first time I thought that something wasn't right was when I happened to catch a replay of the special where Kate got the tummy tuck. Something was so off about that...the way she seemed to weasle into the Glassmans' lives, home...I could read her even in that older special (which I didn't see until after I was hooked on the show) and I even mentioned to my husband that there was something very wrong about this woman. He saw it all along, but it took a few months for me to wise up!

So don't feel bad that you were once a fan and now you've realized the truth about them. I think all of us who loved the show at one point started to see the light and maybe felt a bit of sadness at seeing the truth.

Anonymous said...

The sheer number of different boards/blogs on pretty much the same topic shows that a majority of viewers are bothered by at least some aspect of this show. The first time I watched it, I couldn't believe some of the things I was seeing so I went to TWOP (used to be a good place for message boards before Bravo bought it) to see if anyone had posted anything about it.

The rest is of course, history. The fact that folks viewing from all over, posting on boards scattered all over different sites are mostly ALL saying the same thing, shows that the majority of people agree that what is going on with Jon & Kate isn't normal. It's only the minority living inside the tiny bubble of Figure 8 that don't see the forest fire for the trees.

There are a number of excellent books and academic studies that explain this kind of behavior (The Stanford Prison Experiment, The Lucifer Effect etc.).

It's a similar situation to what went on when guards at Guantanamo Bay were abusive to prisoners and took humiliating pictures etc. Things there got way out of hand, but those inside that environment couldn't see it until it was too late. Not that I'm comparing the Gosselin's home to a prison - but in some ways it's not far off. In their world, what's going on is normal. Until someone convinces them that it's not (and Figure 8 and TLC will never do that), nothing will change for those kids.

Anonymous said...

"I could read her even in that older special (which I didn't see until after I was hooked on the show) and I even mentioned to my husband that there was something very wrong about this woman. He saw it all along, but it took a few months for me to wise up!"

Ha! My husband was immediately repulsed by Kate when he saw her tirade in ToysRUs during the first season.

Nadia, kudos to you for your work with the women's shelter. Unlike Kon, that is a place that is truly deserving of support.

Anonymous said...

The tummy tuck episode is what "turned" me too! BY that point I have seen several episodes and had fallen in love with the kids. I could tell I was being affected by the kids when I woke up one morning hearing the little kids in my mind saying "I want the gups mommy" "no gloves""Gllllups". I thought they were so precious. I thought Jon was a fabulous father and while things Kate said and did weirded me out a little, I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, thinking if she had such a devoted husband, and so many friends and family who wanted to help her, she couldn't be all bad.

Then I noticed how she was always complaining about being so exhausted but she never seemed to be doing much work. And then there was the show that showed their "routine" where Jon got up early in the morn, made her coffee, got the twins ready, gave them breakfast, then she got up at 8 or 8:30, didnt go get the tups until 9 am! This seemed very strange to be as babies are known to wake much earlier than that. Then bfast and lunch which looked like convenience foods, then was the 4 hour nap! Then after nap they were awake for a couple hours, then Jon comes home and takes over until bed at like 7:30. I didnt understand how the babies were sleeping from 7:30 or 8 at night until 9 the following morning without sleeping pills. Plus the 4 hour nap in the afternoon. I know kids need their rest, but come on! They need to be intellectually stimulated too in those crucial early years, yet we were seeing none of that.

My radar got louder and louder the more I listened to Kate and the things she was saying. My boyfriend grew quickly allergic to the show since as he put it "It's just an hour of her annoying voice droning on and on" When she talked about how tired she was yet mentioned that all she seemed to do was laundry (she had people to fold!) and give the kids crackers and grapes at lunch, it just didnt compute. I started to recognize Kate's "personality" type as similar to someone I once knew who I had been forced to interact with as a child and teen because she was my best friends sister. Let's call her "M". M would do absolutely nothing during the day except for ordering her sister (my friend) and other "helpers" around. Seriously, all she did was give orders and talk about how exhausting it was to "run a household" She had a slew of pets she had for no reason other than to control the humans in her life. My best friend was constantly taking care of pets and cooking dinners, as per M's controlling exacting standards. Oh and cleaning the house, since M was an OCD neat freak and used that to control people also. When we wanted to do something on our own, N would manufacture a crisis and ruin it. She was an expert at emotional blackmail. It was crazy. I came to the conclusion that this person had a severe personality disorder and I was unable to deal with her crap as I once had. I realized she was a user, plain and simple.

The other thing that reminded me of Kate, was a tone that M would use that Kate also used. These people always have to be top dog and lord it over people in their lives. They count on compassionate people around them to pick up the slack of their mental problems and cater to their neverending demands. They also need contant ego massaging and I picked up on Aunt Jodi's lipservice speeches like during gumgate "what you can do with one you just can't do with six" as similar to insincere comments I had to make to M about how "running a household is so hard, especially with pets!" just to keep her off my back and to appease her. I would have run away from M had my best friend not been stuck there, so I endured it for my friend's sake until she was able to finally move. I am sure Aunt Jodi did the same thing for the sake of the kids.

When Kate went to the Glassmans for he tummy tuck and triedto wangle a boobjob too, I inwardly cringed. At that point though, I was still hoping she had good qualities and was redeemable. This sounds strange, but I was actually tense during the episode, hoping Kate would behave herself and not insult the Glassmans. I don't know who I felt that was a possibility, because I had not seen all that many episodes. I just think it was my intuition kicking in. I "knew" this behavior. Sure enough,after the week of rest and shopping on the Glassman's dime, when Kate was leaving, she said "I'll be back!" in a totally greedy tone and I noticed Mrs Glassman seemed taken aback. When Mrs Glassman responded and said " and I would love to come visit you too!" Kate got a weird look on her face and said "oh! ..ok?" SO WEIRDLY..I could tell that hosting someone else would never be her cup of tea,even someone who had done her such a huge service like the glassmans did. Then she kept talking about how sorry she was to be going home! Well, I was quite simply, grossed out.

My suspicions grew with every single episode after that. At one point I got a gut feeling that this was all a facade, and that she was appealing to the world through little babies that no one would be able to resist. I got online and read her "fertility nightmare" story and about her hyperstimilated ovaries. I was also shocked to see how young she and Jon were to undergo gertility treatments.

My suspicions grew and grew the more I read...then came aunt jodi's sister's blog and while it sickened me, I totally belived it because I have seen someone like this before! I can understand how people who have not seen a person such as this in action would not belive it's possible. Having been through it, I learned to read the signs. The extent of it surprised even me, but I really believe Kate is a sociopath and she gets joy from being top dog and planning her next exploit. And controlling. And I'm sure it is exhausting!

Anonymous said...

To Nadia:

Thanks again for being so brave! I constantly see the negativity on the Facebook page when someone even mentions or questions something about J&K. Some folks are just happy with the status quo and don't even want to know the truth.

I also thought the tummy tuck episode was strange, but the Dr's wife said she saw Kate on TV and decide to ask her husband to do something for Kate. I don't think the tummy tuck in and of itself was really out of place, it was when she asked for a "boob job". Now, that was strange. That started me wondering about this woman and her motives.

Also, as one other poster commented, the ToysRUs episode - the way Kate spoke to Jon as though he were an imbecile. And she did this time and time again, like in the Crayola factory.

Strange.

Anonymous said...

I guess this was Kate's way of having her "fifteen minutes of fame". She's just capitalized on it. It will end, though.

Nadia said...

I did not see to much when I watch the tummy tuck, the thing that pushed me over the edge was the cupcake show. I always have viewed people true personality from how they treat people in service, the poeple that pour your coffee and pump your gas. Do they get treated with the same amount of respect as your neighboors, friends, and family. When I watched the way she treated the baker in the store, she treated her like something that got stuck to her shoe. I almost felt ill! I wanted so bad to go and give that poor lady a hug. And that was the moment that I started looking back over old shows and seeing how she treated everyone who was not important to the show. It was an eye opener!

Anonymous said...

I was a fan of the show but I was quickly turned off by the Greed of this couple. I feel that TLC is taking advantage of Kate's mental health issues. She clearly has some type of pyschoses going on. I am not trying to be rude in anyway, but this is a woman in need of some major pyschological intervention. I have not seen a woman that crazy on televison since the movie, "Whatever happened to Baby Jane, Starring Betty Davis?" Those of you who have seen the movie know exactly what I am talking about.
A lot of people especially women do not want to believe that a woman would have multiples for fame and fortune. But I think Kate did. I think that she loves her children as one might have love for a stranger or friend. She does not seem that interested in any of children on a individual level. I have noticed that Kate does not really take part in the daily care of her children that is left up to Jon and the nanny.
The children are just props in her show. Make no bones about it this is Kate's show and the children are jut extra's. She will go to any lengths to keep herself on camera and that includes selling her children souls and innocence. She is ruining not only her life but her poor childrens lives as well. I think TLC should be ashamed, as a network to stoop so low and invade these childrens private. Viewers should be ashamed for creating such a demand for this show. Viewers should ask themseleves, would it be cute for your daycare provider to allow cameras in the daycare so the public could watch your child being a cute 4 y/o? I think not. Why should these childrens situation be seen as any different.
TLC has failed as a network. The money that they are giving this family now. The children will probably never benefit from when they are adults. If they do manage to get anything out of it they will probably need to spend the money on years of counseling.

Anonymous said...

TLC owes the viewers an apology to think that we are all foolish enough to think that Kate is a normal if not a extraordinary woman. There is nothing in her behavior or her treatment towards others that can be considered normal.
I would have more respect for the network if they would of marketed the show as an over the top mother who is in counseling trying to work on some personal issues. All the while she is trying to raise a family of multiples. That would be honest, depection of the show, if she were indeed in counseling. Instead of feeding us a line that this is a woman that every mother should aspire to be like, since she is so organized and perfect.
The poor fans over at facebook believe that after the show has ended kate and jon are going to back to work. The fans are actually sure if not certain that the Gosselins are going to work for a living after the tups go to school full time. TLC is no better than an a snake oil salesman, having the fans belive in such lies.

Anonymous said...

That's what gets me about so-called reality show such at Kon&8. How real is it to have a camera shoved in front of your face constantly - are people really going to react the way they normally would. But, despite it all, teh true Kate has come through. I am sure it's worse when the cameras aren't rolling.

I thought it was very astute of Nadia to point out that you can tell a person by the way they treat people in service. I agree 100%. I knew a pastor's wife who, though coming from very humble roots, thought nothing of using or looking down at people who helped her. In a similar way, Kate treats those folks like dogs. The gentleman on the train who was trying to explain the train's history was totally dismissed - "We're not interested". And yet, she pulled a total about face when, during the episode in NC at the lighthouse, Kate said she loved trips which were educational - the kids would understand history better. Now that's a real Chameleon!

I would say if Kate had to point to a figure who she emulates and admires, it probably would be a bloodsucker like Leona Helmsley.

Nadia said...

I dont know if it is ok that I post this as it says in the guidelines of this group that not everyone is a christan and to respectful of this fact. But I am and I would love to say something to J&K that my grandparents use to say to me all the time.

"YOU MAY BE THE ONLY BIBLE SOME PEOPLE EVER READ, IF EVERYONE YOU MEET CAN NOT SEE GODS LOVE THROUGH YOUR ACTIONS, THEN YOU HAVE FAILED HIM"

This is something that I try to remember in my day to day actions, I hope this does not offend anyone.

Anonymous said...

Another interesting and very recent comment from the Facebook site on Nadia's farewell page:

"Actually, the GWoP site has many people who really care about the children. Bottom line is, that's what it's all about. Jon & Kate on their own would not make good television. You can see that kind of show down at the local mall or in the supermarket. The children should always remain the focus of attention. And as I have said before, I love those kids!"

Anonymous said...

I was a fan of the show as well until recently. I think it was the ToysRus show that did it for me. But there are two shows I haven't seen that are often referred to. They are the Tummy Tuck show and the Cupcake show. I can't find them on reruns. I noticed Season 1 and 2 are available on Netflix - can someone tell me if the Tummy Tuck show is actually included? And how can I see an episode of the Cupcake Show? By the way, I do not plan on watching any more "new" shows. I think the only way to let the producers know I am unhappy with the show is to not watch it! But I would like to see those two episodes simply because they are so often referred to.

Anonymous said...

SS&T one year later (aka tummy tuck)is on season two DVD, and Shoping for 10 (I think that is the toysRus show) is on the season one DVD.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure how you can see the cupcake one... it was shocking!

Anonymous said...

I am not trying to veer into any kind of religious discussion here, but if you constantly remind people, as Jon & Kate do, of "trusting in God", "praying for guidance", etc., etc., etc., you would think their lifestyle would be more exemplary of that ideal. Life doesn't consist of being on the receiving end of things. Giving is also part of it. And yet, we have not see one single example of J&K giving to their community. And I would think that they, as parents, would try being more of any example. And I would think that the producers of the show would see that as a benefit to the show.

Anonymous said...

I agree with all of you that thruout the show there are uncomfortable moments, and I am turned off by Kate's behaviour toward her children/husband/helpers, but in the back of my mind I think 'geez, I know I've had bad days where due to stress I've acted pretty poorly. And I'm sure glad there hasn't been a camera recording that for all the world to see."

However, for me any moderate sympathy I can conjure up is thrown out the door when during couch interviews, Kate has no ability to reflect on her actions and to exhibit any kind of regret. They say hindsight is 20/20 but for Kate...I think she has blinders on.

Take for instance when Jon complains about his humiliation by Kate in Toys R Us. She never, ever simply said 'I am sorry Jon.' Instead she spun it around towards herself and how Jon wasn't supporting her, and all he needs to learn is how to support her when she is stressed. Could she not see how demeaning her behaviour was to her husband?? If my husband said, from his heart, that something I did caused him to feel humiliated, I would feel horrible, I would want to make amends

She constantly focuses the issue on herself, and can never seem to understand or admit how her behaviour is detrimental to others in her life. I always thought calling her a sociopath was a little harsh, but really, that type of consistent self-absorbed behaviour hits the nail on the head. Doesn't it?

SmartyQ said...

Nadia said: I dont know if it is ok that I post this as it says in the guidelines of this group that not everyone is a christan and to respectful of this fact. But I am and I would love to say something to J&K that my grandparents use to say to me all the time.

"YOU MAY BE THE ONLY BIBLE SOME PEOPLE EVER READ, IF EVERYONE YOU MEET CAN NOT SEE GODS LOVE THROUGH YOUR ACTIONS, THEN YOU HAVE FAILED HIM"

This is something that I try to remember in my day to day actions, I hope this does not offend anyone.

Nadia, I don't think anyone could be offended by a caring person's comments—a woman who backs up her words with actions. BTB, I hadn't thought of giving the women's shelter the gallons of lotions I get for birthdays and Christmas. I look at the lotions and think, 'I'm old, but I don't think I'm that wizened.' Thanks for the tip!

Amerisham6101 said...

More and more people are waking up to the sham of Kon (I LOVE THAT!), and it's not JUST because of places like GWoP. I've seen it just in the couple of weeks I have been reasding here and elsewhere. They may get here and learn a lot more than they bargained for (I SURE DID.) and that only serves to further enlighten them. Initially what brought people to the internet was the sense that something was just 'off' with these parents and their story. Good intuition and following it was just the jump off point for so many people and no one website can take credit for that. That belongs to the individual.

But what a wonderful job you have all done at making the information easy to find all in one place! That's for sure. GWOP = One Stop Gosselin Shop! ANd I appreciate you do it without allowing all the bickering, back and forth and tit-for-tat posting! So much easier to get to the truth of things and FACTS without having to wade thru that nonsense.

It's those fringe sites with two or three active users who refuse to acknowledge whats sitting right in front of them that really spook me! Wowza. I don't see everything as negative, but I get the sense I could state 3 positive thngs vs. 1 negative I see and I'd be licking my wounds for that one negative I note before you can count to ten!

Amerisham6101 said...

"Take for instance when Jon complains about his humiliation by Kate in Toys R Us. She never, ever simply said 'I am sorry Jon.' Instead she spun it around towards herself and how Jon wasn't supporting her, and all he needs to learn is how to support her when she is stressed. Could she not see how demeaning her behaviour was to her husband?? If my husband said, from his heart, that something I did caused him to feel humiliated, I would feel horrible, I would want to make amends"

I dont remember the interview when that episode aired the first time, but it was probably more of the same. I'll almost cut her a break in that interview if she was still adamant in her right to talk to him that way. I dont know how much time would have gone between the visit to the store and them having to discuss it in the interview.

What I DON'T get is months later she is still holding a grudge!! Justifying her behavior as if she's still living in that moment that upset her, unable to see where she could have (and should have!) handled it differently! Not so much as an "I'm sorry I acted that way BUT..." Just basically "I acted that way because you're my dumb husband." MONTHS later. Gee, that usually gives people some time to reflect on their behavior and see the other side.

She'll never get it, I fear.

ravello said...

This is one of the best threads ever on GWOP. The OP and followup comments are well thought out.

I caught the first few specials in real time. My heart melted when I saw these beautiful kids.

My radar went off very early that something was amiss when Jon left for work at 6 am and Kate slept until 8. The babies were a little over a year old, the twins would have been 4. What mother of 8 small kids is more concerned about her beauty sleep than her own children? The tups were literally prisoners in their cribs and undoubledtly had been there since 7the night before.
Who knows what the twins were doing, they were literally home alone.

The request for a boob job was just ridiculous and insulting to a generous surgeon donating his time to give her a tummy tuck.

I noticed the way she dissed the volunteer helpers, making fun of Nana Janet's weight, etc.

I noticed her crummy treatment of Jon.

I wondered why no interactions with grandparents who lived in the same town.

I noted Kate's favoritsm of Hannah over all the kids and the horrible way she treated the boys.

I attended a J/K speech in February and listened to their tale of woe. I observed the love basket being passed. Then I read on TWOP he quit his state of PA job. What is up with these people that they solicit donations from working people but they dont work?

But what really set me off was Joelgate, followed by Gumgate, Hairgate, Cupcakegate, etc.

Joelgate gave us a window into the dismal way she treats her own sons. I was outraged and still cannot believe what I saw.

I am glad more and more people are asking questions about KON.

FYI- for people who say they missed certain episodes. Unfortunately, if you miss an episode the first time around you may catch a rerun but it will be sanitized. TLC is definitely editing the shows for rerun, probably based on viewer outrage.
So I try hard to catch the shows live.

iluveeyore said...

The "cupcake show" is "The Sextuplets Turn Four."

Anonymous said...

Ravello,
you said that you went to one of their talks in Feb. What kind of things do Kon tell the audience. Could you give those of us who have not gone a run down?

Anonymous said...

I always have viewed people true personality from how they treat people in service, the poeple that pour your coffee and pump your gas.

Bravo Nadia for your honesty and for your insight into how to judge a person's true character.

When Kate made unkind remarks about the potential housekeeper; when she made snide comments about Jodi; when she spoke with disdain to the men delivering the free piano -- it spoke volumes about her.

The GWOP community is concerned about the children and how they are being misused by two adults who are selling a litany of lies to maintain an extravagent lifestyle.

Anonymous said...

Instead of not tuning into the show. I think it would be better if we hit TLC right in the pockets by calling up your cable provider and telling them to take TLC off your subscriber list. They have to get the message that we mean business. By losing our business.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the Glassman's free tommy-tuck and week-long convalescence at their home,(and outings with Mrs.G., I was struck by Kate's sense of ENTITLEMENT. Never once did I hear any gratitude from her. She really enjoyed being fawned over by Mrs.G. and acted like it was her due.

She truly showed her lack of class.

Yolanda said...

I'm the one who asked where I could see the "cupcake" episode or the "tummy tuck" episode. Regarding the tummy tuck episode, I keep reading how she alluded to wanting a "boob job". Can someone explain exactly what she said? And why was the doctor mad? Again, I'm just really curious about the conversation.

Also, I live in the Seattle area and I have not seen a single instance of a rerun of the "cupcake" episode. And every episode is CONSTANTLY being played over and over again. They have J&K marathons - and still not one rerun of "The Tups turn 4". So don't you all find that odd? Was it really that bad? And why would the producers ever run it at all in the first place if it's so bad? It's almost like that episode doesn't exist anymore!!

s. said...

Before Jon and Kate got this show, they did a special for TLC. They were in their old house and I think the babies were about 1 1/2. In that special, Kate showed her bare tummy. It was bad, really bad. To her credit, she did lose her weight, unlike some people who get tummy tucks and I think they still have weight to lose.

A doctor's wife called TLC and offered to donate her husband's services for a tummy tuck. This was shown in season 1. During the first office visit, Kate asked the doctor to throw in a boob job too. Unlike some posters, I think she was requesting a lift, not just to be bigger, at least a lift.

I think she should have offered to pay for the boob job, not requested it to be donated. She already would have been under and let's face it, eight kids will wreck hell on a body.

He looked at her chest, said it wasn't bad, and suggested she get a better bra. She seemed very mad. The scene was uncomfortable. She should have offered to pay for the boobs, it was going over the line.

After the operation Kate stayed at a hotel with Jon for 2-3 days. Then she went to the doctor's house where the wife took care of her. Some people thought that was weird, but the wife probably offered to watch her since Jon went home to the kids. The wife also got Kate a makeover. Kate got blond highlights in her hair. (You find out later that when Kon met, Kate had long, blond hair that looked nice.)

The cupcake episode was painful. I don't know if the producers cut it to make Jon and Kate look worse, but it was bad. It was their birthday and from one thing to another, they told the kids no. Then to top it off, they took the cupcakes away from some of the boys, while all the other kids got to eat them. And it was their birthdays. Kate complained the whole time about messes, but sent them to a bakery to frost cupcakes in church clothes. The whole thing was sad.

I bet that episode never sees the light of day again. The worst ever episode was Collin getting sick while Kate refused to stop shopping. I can not even begin to describe that one...

Kristee said...

Anon said:

~~Instead of not tuning into the show. I think it would be better if we hit TLC right in the pockets by calling up your cable provider and telling them to take TLC off your subscriber list. They have to get the message that we mean business. By losing our business.~~

OMG, would this work?? I know that by simply not watching the networks/sponsors don't see the effects. But, if we could call our cable companies to get TLC off our TV lineup could it work??

I would love to do something especially since the vow renewal is coming up. Please, if anyone has something that will work let us all know!


Maybe if the reporter from the Pa. paper that ran the nurse story could do another article on them. Maybe we could get his email address??

Anonymous said...

does anyone know if jon and kate have ever repaid the kindness by all those in penn that donated goods and time by "paying it forward:?

from what i've seen, they haven't done anything

SmartyQ said...

What I DON'T get is months later she is still holding a grudge!! Justifying her behavior as if she's still living in that moment that upset her, unable to see where she could have (and should have!) handled it differently!
Because I'm an old lady, I've met a lot of people, so I've known a few Katie Irenes. A co-worker who had been divorced for three years. No children in the marriage of five years, assets split 50/50, each earning approximately the same amount, but he paid her alimony for 2 1/2 years. She went on a fire spitting verbal rampage when her former husband got engaged. Why? Because the diamond the 'new' fiancee got was bigger than what he gave her.

These saddos carry around huge grudge bags, and they delight in rummaging through their bags to pull out a trepass to focus on each day. They remember every slight—real or imagined—and nothing, I repeat nothing, is ever their fault. Their lives are beset by evil people who only mission in life is to harm them.

sistah2 said...

Well I think Kate succeeded in getting that boob job after all. In season one its obvious that it was done eventually, dont know if the same doc did it. Also, looking back to the first special and how conniving Kate was even then, I think she showed her sagging tummy in the HOPES that a viewer would see it and offer poor her a free tummy tuck. Worked like a charm.

All the talk about Cupcakegate had me thinking about Kate's nastiness that day and what was really behind it. Traveling 75 miles for that...maybe there was a blowup btw her and the production crew over this setup? This is something, obviously she would never have done with her kids of her own choosing. It was probably the producer's idea and she was forced into it. (If it was a spa day she'd be ok with traveling 1000 miles). She was probably annoyed that Fig 8 wasn't footing the bill for a much bigger event.

Also, to answer above poster, about a month ago someone here wrote the Reading EAgle reporter who originally had followed Kon's scam. Hopefully, that reporter is working on a follow up.

Anonymous said...

I dont know if there has been an Reading Eagle report that I have not seen, the one that I read was from 2005 so I dont think that there would be a follow up writen for a story that was printed that long ago. Did I miss one??

Anonymous said...

Sorry if these have already been posted...

http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080718/ENTERTAIN/807180302/-1/NEWS19

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=ff45e8d24b1a50d05978802f9ac1c8f0

Some interesting reading material!

Anonymous said...

I felt and feel the same as you. I used to defend them, but my eyes were finally opened. I am no longer watching the show, but I do from time to time come to GWoP to check out what is new, in hopes that something, someday, somehow will put an end to this show and those children will get to have a normal life.

I have found that all I can do is to walk away and I wish everyone could, that would leave them with a few hopeless fans and a show which has been canceled and allowed them chance to live a normal life, with normal jobs and perhaps normal values.

SB said...

smartyq...

I have read your posts many times and they have offered interesting insight. But, you use the word "Katie Irene" like a cuss word or slur. It makes your comments uncomfortable to read. Just thought I would let you know...

George said...

SB said...
smartyq...

I have read your posts many times and they have offered interesting insight. But, you use the word "Katie Irene" like a cuss word or slur. It makes your comments uncomfortable to read. Just thought I would let you know...

Are you kidding? That's the lady's given name, Katie Irene. I'm not sure if you are serious or not but why would using her given name offend anyone? My daughter goes by a shorten version of her name but I always use her full name even if I'm pretty much the only one that does I don't think anyone would think it's offensive when I'm saying Blahhdee Blah instead of just Dee.
I've actually seen a lot of people use Katie Irene when speaking about her. It's the woman's name. I think it's a fine name but I've got a lovely godmother named Irene.

Anonymous said...

Is Kate's given name Katie Irene? I assumed it was Kate. Isn't Mady's middle name Kate after her mom?

K.C. said...

Katie Irene is her given name. IIRC you can see it on her hospital chart in one of the specials.

Seti said...

Yolanda said...

Also, I live in the Seattle area and I have not seen a single instance of a rerun of the "cupcake" episode. And every episode is CONSTANTLY being played over and over again. They have J&K marathons - and still not one rerun of "The Tups turn 4". So don't you all find that odd? Was it really that bad? And why would the producers ever run it at all in the first place if it's so bad? It's almost like that episode doesn't exist anymore!!
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It's like the thought control methods in 1984. Wiping something from the published record is the protagonists' job. He has to double think himself into doing his job...which is basically just lying. Yay for the dark future!

mlou said...

Kate's real name is Katie Irene. And yes Mady's name is Madeline Kate. I don't understand why calling her by her full name would be uncomfortable. I believe there is alot worse names that she could be called but isn't at least not by SmartyQ.

SmartyQ said...

SB: Thank you for the compliment anent my posts. By now you know that 'Katie Irene' is Kate's birth name. I don't know when she decided to go by 'Kate' but do know that some people (eg, her hairdresser, her orthodonist) refer to her as 'Katie.' Jon uses 'Jonathan' frequently, so perhaps that's what he prefers. I wonder if 'Jon' and 'Kate' were chosen by Figure8 to make 'Jon and Kate Plus Eight' a catchy title for a show.

Now that I think about it, there is the exhaustion factor. Katie yells, 'Joooooon,' frequently. Would she be even more exhausted if she had to shriek, 'Jooooooonthannnnnnnn'?

hollie22 said...

It's a shame Kate had to burn bridges with Jodi, someone who really had the childrens best interest in mind. Kate would rather have hired help around rather than friends or family- hired help can be told what to do and fired if she pleases. It's really sad what this has all come to for them, burning bridges and taking the children away from people who care. I believe they are in a bubble now, one that will eventually burst and they will realize they have no quality relationships in their lives. I think Jon goes along with the ride and hasn't enough backbone to put Kate in her place. I really like Jon but geez the poor guy doesn't seem to have an opinion on anything unless Kate has already put it in his head.