A Closer Look, A Clearer View

Dear GWoP,


I remember the one-hour special that introduced us to the Gosselins. How cute was Mady playing with the 'tups at their cool table whilst Jon prepared their meal! Shortly after, I recall seeing adverts for the new series Jon and Kate Plus Eight and I was curious but never got around to checking it out. During this past winter’s writer’s strike, with nothing on TV, J&K+8 was suddenly appealing -- especially with all the “marathons” on TLC. It was so easy to catch up! I became hooked on the adorable kiddies (especially Collin!), the crazy mom, and the exasperated dad.


But things changed for me with the incident now known as GumGate. I was never a fan of Contradiction Kate and thought her behaviour was over-the-top (Utah plane meltdown, anyone?) and her dictator ways beyond extreme (the no birthday cupcakes was just wrong). I cried for Collin as Kate threatened to throw away his bear. What kind of human being would threaten to take a three-year-old’s security away from him?!


That scene made me take a different look at this show and start to ask some questions.. Where is their extended family? (Admittedly, this has always bothered me from day one that no family is ever around.) Why do those kids always play in the driveway and not their spacious backyard? Had Kate never heard of play clothes? Why do the ‘tups seem light years behind in development compared to other four-year-olds I know? Why has Jon suddenly stopped working? Where are they getting all the money for trips and outings, the iPods, gym memberships, spa days, family photography and Gap Kids clothes?


I had these questions but never really looked beyond what I saw on the show until I accidentally stumbled upon the J&K+8 Facebook fan page and a post about Aunt Jodi and her sister. I started reading and found myself immersed in a web of information for hours, the lies and deception so apparent. Soon, it all became clear, and watching the show now, I am so surprised my usually cynical self missed all the signs.


They play in the driveway because Kate doesn’t want stains on the free kids clothes she will later sell on consignment. The ‘tups seems behind for their age because Kate and Jon are busy making deals all day and not assisting with their children’s development or engaging in creative play and craft projects. Jon doesn’t work anymore because they are living off the show now. The families/friends are not involved because they are upset this show is even going on or have been blacklisted for speaking out (IMO). They don’t need money for extravagances because they are getting everything for free.


It’s disheartening to say the least that these poor children have no clue the profits they generate just for being cute and on TV. Oh the rude awakening they will receive when the show inevitably stops and they don't get to bypass the lines at Disney or shop in stores after-hours anymore. Sometimes I find it appalling the humiliations that are aired: the way Kate speaks to Jon, the way Kate behaves in general, the cringe-worthy growing-up mishaps the children experience. And why, after witnessing these events unfold on their program, have Jon and Kate not ceased production (I’d be ashamed if I behaved in half the way Kate does, and would never want that shown on national TV)?


But beyond all the deception and lack of dignity, is the fact that it’s now visible this program is having a detrimental effect on the children and their development/temperament, Jon and Kate’s marriage, and the family as a whole. My heart breaks for Mady for all the teasing she no doubt endures by her peers who see her tantrums on TV or hear the way her parents speak about her in couch interviews. I worry that when the ‘tups start school, they too will face the same humiliations over their “pictures with potty poop,” constipation, baths and ill behaviour that have been allowed for public consumption – sick Joel vomiting on the laundry room floor! Cara pitching a fit about her shoes!


I want to say thank you for this blog, for opening people’s eyes (mine even wider). As much as I’m curious to see these children grow, I do not want them to be subjected to this staged situation any longer. They deserve to grow up in a private, loving and nurturing environment, not in the circus they currently live, with Kate as the cantankerous ring master and Jon as her monkey-boy doing tricks.


Blog entry created with permission via an e-mail from
Sera.

146 comments:

marie said...

Quote : They play in the driveway because Kate doesn’t want stains on the free kids clothes she will later sell on consignment.

I don't understand all the fuss about playing in the driveway.

I like to play in the driveway with my kids but not because of stains! It's just easier to get the toys, chairs and table in and out. Also, my kids love to play with bikes and cars. I do enjoy playing in the backyard, but since we don't have much shade there, we also use our driveway a lot.

grammieof4 said...

Sera,
Thank you for summing up the show, and the point of view that I share. There are people watching this show, who don't see what you and I see. It's hard to understand that, to understand those who find Kate a role model, and her treatment of Jon, "just playing around." It's hard to understand those who think exploiting children in order to make a living is OK, because "what would you do if you had eight kids?" Well, one thing I know, I wouldn't expose their lives on TV in the way Jon and Kate do, anymore than I would treat my husband and children the way Kate does. It makes me wonder, what are those people, who I don't understand, thinking. What is happening isn't OK. Thanks for speaking out.

Alison said...

They do baby the tups', in the 1 hour special, Mady could READ a note a four, while the tups' are substituting bingo stampers for pencils

laurie said...

It never ceases to amaze me how her actions SHOCK me...STILL. I have AOL and it was odd to wake up to that article the other day. Wild stuff. The first thing I thought was, "more people are catching on", just like Sera.

I'm wondering if all the "buzz" is causing more people to tune in to see their show and by doing so, are they seeing what we see too? I certainly hope so.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for so succintly and articulately summarizing the very crux of the the disturbing Gosselin family dysfunction. You are 100% on target. And yes, in addition to everything else, I too am profoundly sad and concerned for Mady. It must be so humiliating for her. This is a form of ongoing emotional abuse that I think will eventually take a toll on her (I think it has already). When I watch her on the show, I keep asking myself - when is someone going to intervene to help this poor child?

Justinterested said...

I am not clearly on either side of this whole circus but it is my understanding that the backyard gets used and the parents have limited the filming in that area. A friend of mine, who is a neighbor of the Gosselins said that the parents want that to be a camera free zone.

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet, but shouldn't the tups be in pre-school? Kate should have enrolled them when they turned 3 and a half, at the very latest.

Anonymous said...

I don't think it's that there is a problem with playing in the driveway. I think what most people are saying is that it's pretty much the ONLY place they get to play.
We have seen them in the backyard maybe twice.
If they were allowed to do both it would be a different story. And remember the episode where Aunt Jodi was in the driveway with the kids drawing with sidewalk chalk and laying in it? They were all having a blast. Then during the Crayola episode Kate mentions that rolling around in sidewalk chalk is her idea of "torture". She's a wackadoodle.

Anonymous said...

Sera,
Reading your words I actually realized more than ever that we are all contributing to this farce. Watching this show makes me no better than the people who used to watch the Dionne quintuplets through the glass windows. We know how their lives turned out and I really don't want to feel like I had anything to do with making the Gosselin children have a horrible life like the Dionne's did. I don't know if I can any longer watch this show.

I remember reading how the Dionne's had every hour of their day scheduled for them, you know what, so do the Gosselin children. I am seeing too many similarities here. I see American's looking back in the years to come and saying, "What did we do to these poor kids by watching them?" I wonder if their parents or TLC will ever regret their part in this?

Anonymous said...

I don't feel as comfortable as others on here making statements about protecting the kids, ending the show, etc., I just don't feel like I really know what their real lives are like.

However, as the mother of a typical four year-old, I am beyond disgusted that the tups are four and still:
-use bibs
-use sippy cups
-sit in high chairs
-use potty TRAINING potties instead of toilets
-can't/don't dress themselves
-ride in strollers
-I'm sure I'm forgetting something...

To me, not encouraging independence/skills in a preschooler is a form of abuse. I don't know why they are so caught up in paying for college- how do they think that will even be an issue when they aren't even giving the tups the skills they need to succeed in kindergarten?

Anonymous said...

This post was well articulated and if J&K can't see what they are doing to their children for the sake of the almighty dollar, then they are not just greedy they are ignorant as well.
I don't begrudge anyone making money- but yearly TV specials would have provided ample supplemental income to their salaries and they could still do their "speaking" engagements. Just take those kids OFF TV on a weekly basis(which means cameras in their home daily).
I hope J&K grow up and do what's BEST for their children. IMHO

Jen said...

"I started reading and found myself immersed in a web of information for hours, the lies and deception so apparent. Soon, it all became clear, and watching the show now, I am so surprised my usually cynical self missed all the signs."

That's EXACTLY how I feel. I fell in love with the show, although I did see things I guess that were not right, it wasn't until going online and reading what others had to say that it dawned on me, something isn't right here, I'm not crazy!!!
After reading all the comments on other sites that support them, all I can say is, those ppl obviously don't get the general point of THIS website. Put aside the dislike ppl have for Kate, the whole point is that they are doing beyond well money wise, how can you not be when you get paid by TLC for the show, you get free things left, and right, and you have HELP that they so obviously deny, THAT is what is wrong, they are DECEIVING the fans into thinking they are still struggling, so every mom that says, "well they have 8, if YOU had 8 how would YOU feel", I'd feel great thanks, especially with all the free perks, and the money pouring in, they can't be all that bad off if Jon could quit his job and get one that was more "flexible", I know plenty of families with 8 and MORE kids, and they do just fine, it's called WORKING, and making an HONEST living, they give the families that really ARE struggling a bad bad name!!!!

Anonymous said...

It's not that I don't think that Kate has her issues, and it's not that I think exploiting a child is okay. My perception may be different, but I don't think that makes it wrong.

I don't like it when I read comments about her showing affection just for the camera. I think that is so mean. When I watch Kate, I see a person that is far less than perfect but does love her children. While I know that everyone has their own perception of what happens on that show, I think some people hate her to the point that they can't see it objectively. Just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Episode on 8/11 Heading South...aka..."We've alienated all of our friends and family; so therefore, have no one to watch the kids while we go out on our speaking engagements...so now we have to lug them and their crap with us. Might as well, production said it will make a great episode!"

Anonymous said...

It would be interesting to know how many marriages some of these Kate supporters(the ones who don't see anything wrong with how Kate behaves)have been in. My guess is that many of them have been divorced at least once and probably still don't "get it". I've been married for 20 years and I was like Kate for a couple of years early on. Believe me when I say that I'll never escape the guilt and regret I feel for those early years, and that if I hadn't changed, I would be one of those many once or twice divorced people that are so common today. Thank the Lord I didn't have children back then that would still be carrying those memories as well.

Anonymous said...

"They deserve to grow up in a private, loving and nurturing environment, not in the circus they currently live, with Kate as the cantankerous ring master and Jon as her monkey-boy doing tricks."
Amen, sister! If I could vote this post "best post of the week," I would. This post put into words what I have been feeling for quite some time about J&K+8. I used to be one of the viewers who cut J&K at lot of slack, rationalizing that they "had 8 kids", they're stressed, tired, busy, etc. Until one day my DH came in the room and said, "how can you watch this? Does this woman even love her husband and kids? She gets under my skin!" I defended her to my husband, but then I started noticing more disturbing things as the show progressed. Also, curiousity got the best of me as to where extended family members were, so I looked on the internet. Hmmmmm...so my opinion of the show has dramatically changed in the last six months. I think the show should be camcelled because it amounts to a circus sideshow exploiting innocent children.

FIONA said...

Thanks Sere for sharing your feelings. They never get easier to read for me. Every instance you point out, I revisit it and remember...just as the kids will.

While it makes us all sad and angry, I believe this blog is helping, probably more than we are aware of.

At the least I am sure it pisses Jon off, and I will honestly say, GOOD!

Maybe, m a y b e as Jon and Kate read thru these entries, it has made them stop to think, if only for a moment. If Kate has been able to hold her tongue, even once, that is progress. With Paul Peterson being more aware of this situation gives me a small sense of relief.

The fact that Julie and Jodi knows what's going on adds a little comfort.

I am not sure if I will ever feel OK with Jon and Kate as parents of these 8 special children. There will always be Kate to deal with, which is enough, but the filming and all the issues that the kids are currently facing now and in the future, I will never feel like these are fortunate children.

FIONA said...

A friend of mine, who is a neighbor of the Gosselins said that the parents want that to be a camera free zone.



____

Yea, just don't buy that unless it because the kids could get overly dirty. It's Kate's wonky thought process that keeps her kids on the drive way....and I think the real reason is, it is easier for HER.

Anonymous said...

I don't like it when I read comments about her showing affection just for the camera.

It's hard not to say it though since she does it and looks towards the camera to get feedback. If it was legit then why would she need to be looking at the camera? Makes me think it's not spontaneous at all.

Christi said...

I don't understand all the fuss about playing in the driveway.

I think most of the fuss is that they seem to be spending time in the driveway unsupervised, at least from what we've seen. The twins are old enough, depending on the area, but I don't think I'd leave the tups outside alone at their age. Sure, K&J say they won't run out into the street, and they seem to live on a quiet street (which is contradicted by their complaints & signs about lookie-loos) but all it takes is one time when the kids aren't paying attention for something to happen.

I can remember at least two pieces of footage that implied, at least, that the kids were all out in the garage/driveway while Kate was inside. Kate's comment a few weeks ago, that the kids were yelling/screaming so they must still be alive & not abducted, kind of bothered me. Sure, she might have been joking, but she seemed pretty nonchalant about it.

Anonymous said...

It would be interesting to know how many marriages some of these Kate supporters(the ones who don't see anything wrong with how Kate behaves)have been in. My guess is that many of them have been divorced at least once and probably still don't "get it".
I don't know if they are divorced or not but they do sound like they feel it's fine to show disrespect for the husband. Sounds like there are a lot of unhappy women that resent that fact the man they married isn't giving them the Ozzie and Harriet live they dreamed of as little girls. My question is how quickly would they change their opinions if it was Jon doing half of that crap to Kate. They give me the creeps saying that it's fine and that's how they act in their marriage. I sincerely question that those marriages are happy. Happy people don't behave that way. Lots of marriages stay together for the children's sake. I know several unhappy couples who use the kid excuse to remain in a marriage that is broken.
And I do believe there are people that act like that as it explains the explosion of the Nanny shows.
Little children emulate parents and, therefore, display the same bad behaviors. I do have to say at least the Gosselins don't appear to curse in front of the children. That's not to say that before long Mady and Cara will start to learn some choice language that will be spewed at Kate before long.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 9:57 said "My question is how quickly would they change their opinions if it was Jon doing half of that crap to Kate."

I think people give Jon a pass unnecessarily. Just SOME of the things we have heard him say: Pull the stick out, how much she weighed during pregnancy (he kept tabs so she didn't get too fat), her butt in the front being gross, she was not blonde and fat after the pregnancy, he wouldn't have married her if she wasn't a blonde, screaming at her while she was talking in a reasonable voice at the zoo, etc. Except everyone will say it is ok because it is against Kate. I think they are equally as harsh to each other, I don't think that either one doing it is appropriate or good for the relationship. I am saying, I guess, that they each give as good as they get.

I'd point out, though, that everything Kate says about Jon he has at some point said the same things independently (i.e. he often mentions that he is on a diet, wants to work out; those comments came before I ever heard Kate say anything about it). I'd point out, in fairness, that Kate also cops to all the things that Jon has said about her (the weight, the non-blonde, etc). She also worked on those things because he didn't like them just as he is doing.

Everyone spends so much time hating Kate that Jon gets a pass on everything. Where it concerns Jon and Kate it always seems that people think "Oh, that poor man, how can he stand to be married to her?" It is probably more "who would marry either one of them?"

SmartyQ said...

A long while ago, I read a report from someone who had attended Kon's dog and pony show. She said that Kon acknowledged their fighting but always assured the children they weren't getting a divorce. It stuck me then as a strange comment, and it strikes me now as though Kon are teaching their children that 'love taps,' screaming and belittling one's spouse are hallmarks of happy marriages.

Anonymous said...

This show bothers me. Reminds me too much of the movie "The Truman Show". Definitely using those children . THey are huge hypocrites!!!

K.C. said...

Since there has been some discussion about the family history, (and possible divorces), of Kate's fans, I would like to share something.
A link was posted on this blog not too long ago. It was to a site by the name of 'Oh No You Didn't', (or something like that?). I think it was around the time the NE story came out. Anyway, I clicked on the link and read through some of the thread. Several posters were discussing what a great mother Kate is. One of these posters made a comment about how they wish they had Kate as their mom and then went on to explain how they grew up without a mother. It was a really sad thing to read. I noticed that there were around half-a-dozen comments attached to this post. I was shocked to see that 7 or 8 people had replied to this person and share similar stories. They were all variations of the same, mom left me when I was 6, never to be seen again or mom took me to stay with aunt when she went on vacation and never came back, I was 14 the last time I saw my mother, I never knew mine--more and more of the same sad stories.
I've thought about this several times since that day but I've never shared my findings--mainly because I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way. Deep down I have wondered if this may be true for many of Kate's supporters. Is it because they had no one, so compared to that Kate looks good?

Anonymous said...

Much ado about nothing regarding the driveway I think. My kids played in the driveway and got plenty dirty. Kids get dirty no matter where they play- grass, mud, whatever. Kates needs to dress the kids (or preferable, let them dress themsleves) in old play clothes and let them go.

moi said...

Quote: these poor children have no clue the profits they generate just for being cute and on TV. Oh the rude awakening they will receive when the show inevitably stops and they don't get to bypass the lines at Disney or shop in stores after-hours anymore.
Sera, you've hit the nail squarely on the head.

And on the issue of Kate and consigning clothes, I don't know if driveway play is directly related to that, but she sure doesn't dare let them get dirty or get food stains or [washable] marker stains at any point in time, surely because of the consignment factor. The problem I have with this is, DONATE the kids' clothes, since you have gained so much from people's donations to you.

Y'know, Kate, something called "giving back." At the very least, you know little Benny would look adorable in the boy tups' clothing. Too bad Kate does not understand the concept of charity. (And please don't tell me we don't know whether or not they donate to charity. We've seen all we need to see to allow us to make assumptions otherwise; our intelligence need not be insulted. Thanks)

bri said...

"However, as the mother of a typical four year-old, I am beyond disgusted that the tups are four and still:
-use bibs
-use sippy cups
-sit in high chairs
-use potty TRAINING potties instead of toilets
-can't/don't dress themselves
-ride in strollers"

I agree with you. My child has special needs, she has something similar to Down Syndrome, and she is only three, and she has not used bibs, sippies (except in the car), or her high chair for a long time and is rarely in the stroller. This is lazy parenting and just because someone has many children, does not mean they automatically qualify as a great parent. If she spent half the time on her children's development as she does on keeping her stupid house clean, I know they'd be further along.

I worked in a preschool years ago and while I don't think it should be mandatory for all kids, these kids would absolutely have benefited. It's my opinion they didn't send them because then Kate will not be able to martyr herself "I'm home all day with them!" and she'd have to give up control to people who would allow the kids to get messy and be normal kids. Preschool would be great for them at this stage and because they were preemies, I bet the state would've paid for it.

Foureyes said...

anonymous August 1, 2008 7:26 AM said...I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet, but shouldn't the tups be in pre-school? Kate should have enrolled them when they turned 3 and a half, at the very latest.

When they recently appeared on the Today show (June 12, 2008), Kate did say they will be attending preschool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQqIDlAmDfA&feature=related

Anonymous said...

I agree with the OP. I have sworn off watching this show since the plane melt down en route to Utah. I have NEVER seen a supposedly responsible adult in the presence of children act that way. What was she thinking? I am a pre-school teacher who takes care of upwards of 20 similarly aged children for four hours at a time five days a week and I can't imagine having a breakdown like that in front of them when things go wrong (and, for pete's sake, they do go wrong, quite frequently). I am also 20 years older than Kate and still can't remember the last time I droned on that I was "so exhausted". Coming from her, who does next to nothing around the house or with the kids, it's an affront to every hard working parent out there who manages more stress with less money and support.

I can't save the kids, but I can quit watching. I really wish someone would post the advertisers' names on this blog so we could begin to contact them about our concerns regarding this train wreck in progress.

minxie said...

I have to admit my kids played in the driveway far more often than the back yard, and so did most of the kids in our neighborhood. If kids have play cars and bikes they like to ride them on pavement (we don't have sidewalks). Our basketball net is in the driveway, Also, the toys and kid paraphernalia is all stuffed into the garage, so the door is often open and the kids go in and get their stuff. Where my kids differed from the Gosselins, though, was that they liked to play out front to see what other neighborthood kids were around. If their friend was out, my kids would watch for their friends' family car to return. J & K's neighborhood looks like a ghost town--no other kids to be seen, either by accident or (more likely) on purpose.

melissa said...

you know what I would watch, and would be interested in watching-- kate and jon in couples therapy. I know for a fact that most all Christian churches have marriage counseling. I think this would be interesting for them to investigate and go through. to repect eachother and see their MISTAKES and to learn from them. I know we all say kate doesn't learn from anything, she will continue to be dogmatic and mean but I think through some type of counseling on her own, to get over her neurosis will help not only the kids, and jon, but kate too. and it would make for great television. and it would be a way for us to see them at least working on issues that clearly need to be addressed.

Anonymous said...

"Deep down I have wondered if this may be true for many of Kate's supporters. Is it because they had no one, so compared to that Kate looks good?"

I don't think being orphaned is a requirement for liking Kate Gosselin. Just like I don't think that all the people who have problems with Kate had very overbearing mothers, though I've certainly see plenty of posts to that effect.

Also, not all positive Gosselin posts anywhere on the internet are posted by J&K.

Yes, people really like them. I don't think being divorced or not being divorced or having had a mother or not having had a mother has anything to do with it. People just have different opinions on things. I think one of the problems of a site where everyone agrees is that it gives people a skewed view - they think that the whole world thinks just as they do, instead of just a small group of individuals on the internet.

Though I've wondered myself sometimes about whether anti-Gosselin posters have kids. It seems to me that someone who thinks being denied a cupcake is the nadir of existence, simply because the child cries (little kids cry a lot) has maybe not been around actual kids much.

Jess said...

I have plenty of problems with the way Kate treats Jon and the kids. But her letting the little kids play outside "unsupervised" is not one of them. If we're seeing it, then it means that there were at least the camera person, and probably a sound guy there too. Now, the fact that the kids are on TV all the time is a different matter, but IMO that's a worse problem than letting the camera crew watch your kids for a little while if they're going to be there anyways.

Anonymous said...

"They do baby the tups', in the 1 hour special, Mady could READ a note a four"

Totally agree that they baby the tups- they're not babies anymore! But I think that Mady and Cara were five in the first special. They were 3.5 or 4 when the babies were born, and in the special the babies were about 18 months(?)

On one of the recent episodes Kate said something about the babies being 4 now and how Mady and Cara were 4 "when this whole thing started". It sounded like she was talking about the TV show, but if she was that wouldn't be true.

Anyway, imagine how any one of the tups would deal with having 6 new brothers and sisters come home from the hospital. That's what the twins had to deal with at their age. Mommy wouldn't have time to remember bibs or to empty the potties.

iluveeyore said...

I've got a couple of grown kids and a grandchild. Each of my kids was actually 4 years old at some time.

I think denying a kid a cupcake that he's been waiting for all day is cruel, to say the least. Especially when the cupcake was part of a birthday celebration, whether it was the "actual" day or not. A plate of food in front of Hannah was very clearly shown on my tv screen. Yet, we then saw Hannah eating a cupcake. Think Kate plays favorites? (They actually had ice cream for dinner one day. But a cupcake for a birthday? Naw.)

(And, hey, I've also got two dogs and three cats ;. I guess I fit every stereotype you've got.)

And I'm not "anonymous."

LizzieD said...

Wow! This show has become such a train wreck that I too went from watching and loving the family to becoming more skeptical as to what was really going on. When you take away the snarking it really just becomes sad for the children.

I came across an interview that J&K did with Dr. Phil that was disgustingly fake in my opinion and continued to show a contrived view of this family... oh, and Kate's hair didn't move once!

Remember the "interviewing a nanny" episode? Well, thank you Dr. Phil for footing the bill!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_yAohOt1eI&feature=related

minxie said...

anonymous said...
Though I've wondered myself sometimes about whether anti-Gosselin posters have kids. It seems to me that someone who thinks being denied a cupcake is the nadir of existence, simply because the child cries (little kids cry a lot) has maybe not been around actual kids much.
____________________

A 16-year-old son and a nine-year-old daughter here.

A dog, two cats.

I can also claim more exhaustion that Kate ever had because I had my son when I was 39 and my daughter a week after I turned 47 (you do the math).

I don't think denying a cupcake is the nadir of existence. I think denying a cupcake--a birthday cupcake-- that has been the focus of an ENTIRE DAY is, yes, a pretty mean thing to do. Particularly because our lying eyes told us that Hannah--even with Kate's diligent help--did not clean her plate.
Oh, but wait--the rules changed on a dime--Hannah TRIED to eat, so she got her cupcake.

The notion that only single childless shut-ins could criticize the Gosselins is nonsense.

Lynn/Anon1967 said...

Here's the show they did on The Good Morning Show, the next day,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eycCUuz9_Jo&feature=related
I was watching it, wondering what Kate was thinking when the lady said they were going into their
4th season..lol
It bothered me that the guy on there said "Did you ever wish this didn't happen?" I just couldn't believe he would say that in front of the kids like he did, although I'm sure they've heard worse.
Then tells Jon he never looks happy, so Kate says something like, he's never happy, not with none, two or eight.
When asked, Mady said she wanted to have a Disney show, and I was shocked to hear Kate say, "I want them to do whatever makes them happy" I wonder what age that will begin?

Lynn/Anon1967 said...

"I would think that he would need to drive past their house going to and from his church. He would see all the kids playing. Hence, a way to stick it to daddy that he is not allowed to have anything to do with the kids. (IMO)"

I thought the same thing too, and wouldn't put it past her. I also thought that the fasion show we got before the Sunny Day Episode, may have had a shirt in there that was a gift from someone, I never did see what the 2nd one he put on said.

minxie said...

Does anybody remember Mystery Science Theater 3000? Crappy sci-fi movies that had hilarious running commentary on how bad the film was. JK8 would be perfect for that--even better than the great recaps on GWOP. Real-time snarky commentary on Kate's pretensions and Jon's sluggy behavior. Calling out the lies and contradictions as they happen. Mimicking Kate's bad grammar and vocabulary. Sounds like fun!

Anonymous said...

"I can remember at least two pieces of footage that implied, at least, that the kids were all out in the garage/driveway while Kate was inside. Kate's comment a few weeks ago, that the kids were yelling/screaming so they must still be alive & not abducted, kind of bothered me. Sure, she might have been joking, but she seemed pretty nonchalant about it."

I too questioned that, but then realized there was probably a crew outside to catch the kids' action.

LizzieD said...

Mystery Science Theater - Oh lordy be! Lucky for us the age of YouTube has brought us just that...mimicking Kate's bad grammar and behavior - this one is almost better than a real episode!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGf1WZmOhMk

biglil said...

anonymous said...
Though I've wondered myself sometimes about whether anti-Gosselin posters have kids. It seems to me that someone who thinks being denied a cupcake is the nadir of existence, simply because the child cries (little kids cry a lot) has maybe not been around actual kids much.

Are you kidding me?! Two kids, myself -- 10 and 8. And forget about the cruelty of not letting them eat the damn cupcakes, but I wouldn't even dream of making my kids sit in a car for 75 miles, one way, to decorate a fricking cupcake!! That's torture, in and of itself. Jon and Kate, and all their supporters, are deranged human beings.

Kristee said...

~~~A friend of mine, who is a neighbor of the Gosselins said that the parents want that to be a camera free zone.~~~

This cracks me up! They want the backyard to be a camera free zone, but the poor boys are all filmed on potties in Beth's front yard? The little girls are filmed being hosed off, I mean showered by Jon...and all the times they were delirious with fever, vomiting or flu...that could be filmed?? If Kate did say this it's probably because the last time she was out back her neighbors were bombing her with rotten eggs, and throwing holy water on her!

Mit said...

I have 7 kids. SEVEN!!!!!!!!!!

Lynn said...

"...but all it takes is one time when the kids aren't paying attention for something to happen."

Way too many people know where they live. I would be terrified of abduction if my kids were on TV and people knew where we lived. Theirs might be a relatively quiet street, but people have to drive past it to get to almost every house in the neighborhood.

Lynn said...

"Kate's father is a minister whose church is about one block away from their house (you can get that info on the internet). I would think that he would need to drive past their house going to and from his church..."

If I understand correctly, his church is at the corner of J&K's "Ave." and the main road. J&K are one block in on their Ave. There is a traffic light at that intersection and if you are sitting there ready to turn into the church, you cannot see J&K's house because of the bend in the Ave. Perhaps you could see their mailbox at best, but even that is kind of difficult. You have to turn onto their Ave. to see their house.

Anonymous said...

I know this is off topic but I am wondering if there is any reason the episode where Jon and Kate take dancing lessons does not replay as often as other episodes? I was away at college and never saw the episode!

SecretMonkey said...

Hey anonymous - nobody has seen the dancing lessons. They were supposed to be part of the Talent Show according to the original episode description. I guess the lessons didn't go so well?

iluveeyore said...

If I understand correctly, his church is at the corner of J&K's "Ave." and the main road. J&K are one block in on their Ave. There is a traffic light at that intersection and if you are sitting there ready to turn into the church, you cannot see J&K's house because of the bend in the Ave. Perhaps you could see their mailbox at best, but even that is kind of difficult. You have to turn onto their Ave. to see their house.

If that is so, my bad. I was under the impression that you could actually see the church when standing in the driveway.

Isn't it interesting how they drive for 45 minutes to go to another church?

Jen said...

"I have 7 kids. SEVEN!!!!!!!!!!"

You are one kid short..maybe if you had 8 you could get your own show too...how DO you survive without a TV show, and all the other perks....god only knows....LMAO!

Sera said...

Thanks everyone for your comments and thoughts! I appreciate the feedback and admit I was a bit nervous to submit my thoughts - there are so many articulate and witty posters on here!

To clarify my issue with the driveway play - as many of you said, it's a safety thing. I'd not feel comfortable with cars and people always coming by having my kids playing out there. Not to mention, regardless of the fact the camera crew might be with them, it's not their responsibility to watch MY children and supervise them - isn't that why Kate is a SAHM, so she can supervise them??? They have a lovely and spacious backyard in which to play. Unless they are specifically riding their bikes, the backyard is more than sufficient for play.

I also agree with Anonymous at 8:24 am who said that a yearly special would generate nice supplementary income for the family. Look at the Dilleys, they show up for Diane Sawyer once a year for a progress report, everyone is happy, and then they go back to their life. I think that is something the Gosselins should consider for the sake of the children's privacy.

I watched those morning show clips, poor Mady, the host on the Today Show forgot her and only remembered her name because one of the little girls shouted it out.

Anonymous said...

My wife and I are going to look at a house for sale tomorrow that happens to be in the back end of their neighborhood (verified by a friend who lives near them).

I could care less to see or stop by their house, but are we going to be able to drive through the neighborhood without being "patted down"? :)

K.C. said...

I have 1 child.

Just for the record: YES, (even though I am very health conscious), I would have given my child the cupcake. Whether it was the actual day or not, it was still a special occasion.

Anonymous said...

"A long while ago, I read a report from someone who had attended Kon's dog and pony show. She said that Kon acknowledged their fighting but always assured the children they weren't getting a divorce. It stuck me then as a strange comment"

I often thought that as well. My youngest is about 6 months younger than the tups and would have no clue what a divorce is. Even my 2nd child who is almost the same age as the twins wouldn't need assurance as he only minimally knows what divorce is.

Then again with the amount of fighting and 'love taps' between J&K, the twins have probably been asked at school (just my speculation).

Anonymous said...

Forgive me if this has been said before, but I'm late to the party. I always just assumed that the reason the tuplets play on the driveway instead of in the backyard is because Kate is afraid they'll get grass stains on their clothes in the yard. You NEVER see them on the front lawn, and they only played in the back after a heavy snow, when they could not stain their clothes. Kate is the Stain Police-just my assumption.

bri said...

I am a nutrition and health obsessed person- on a regular basis, we have no white flour or sugar, organic everything, grassfed local dairy and meat, raw fruits and veggies constantly- and I would still absolutely allow and even encourage my daughter to eat a special birthday cupcake she had decorated herself. I would not however make a big plastic bag full of chocolate and powdered sugar or fill endless sippy cups with juice. Kate knows nothing about nutrition (no offense, most people don't) and the cupcake wasn't about sugar. It was about control and selfishness and the million tiny ways that she punishes those children for being in existence on a regular basis.

Anonymous said...

Sera - The Today show host did mention Madys name. It was the second name she said. One of the tups must not have heard it, I believe the host even clarified that she said Madys name.

Anonymous said...

Bri said: I would not however make a big plastic bag full of chocolate and powdered sugar or fill endless sippy cups with juice. Kate knows nothing about nutrition (no offense, most people don't) and the cupcake wasn't about sugar. It was about control and selfishness and the million tiny ways that she punishes those children for being in existence on a regular basis.
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When Kate made the monkey munch, I too, thought it was a total contradiction for someone who prides herself and her family on "healthy eating." What is the damn point of "all organic" if you are going to give them that monkey munch with chocolate, peanut butter, butter (a TON of FAT), and all that powdered sugar? How does this make sense? What about oatmeal cookies with raisins? What about popcorn? That bag of monkey munch she was shaking in that plastic bag disgusted me. Truly.

Peas & carrots said...

Here is a question, why on earth didn't they just stay home and bake cupcakes and decorate them? I would have stayed home instead, it would have been a lot more fun. Who would drive 75 miles to decorate a cupcake - that is absolutely ridiculous. Just think of the gas or diesel they wasted doing that trip.

I couldn't believe it when she let the two oldest kids eat the cakes and denied the little ones theirs. She is definitely letting them know she is in control. In my world when one kid gets a special treat, they all do.

I agree about the nutrition as Bri said. You never give kids that much juice in a day too many false calories.

The Utah plane trip episode irritated me to no end. Kate throwing her hands up in the air shouting "I'm done" how ridiculous, because the rest of her entourage was looking after and entertaining the kids. Beth and her daughter had the kids around them and Kate was sitting by herself whining. ARE YOU KIDDING ME! It seems that she whines about being done and exhausted, I wish I had someone to fold/wash and iron my clothes and all the other household things she has help with. The rest of us, whether we have one kid or twenty are slogging our(not ARE) way through all the day-to-day stuff. Sour grapes - nope, I just get tired of the whining.

My granny had 13 kids and no one helped her. When her husband was away during the WW2,they lived on a rural farm and there was plenty of stuff she had to do, plus raise the kids. Now that was a hard life. So stop your whining and complaining Kate, you have no idea how good you have it. Time for this show to end.

TLC really has to stop these reality shows. The newest one "Must like kids" or whatever it is called is just as abusive as the J&K trainwreck. Just think how stressful this is on the kids who are dealing with their issues about their parent dating and introducing a stranger into their lives. Come on use some common sense and stop all the shows that involve kids and their intimate moments. As the Gumper would say "Thats all I have to say about that."

SmartyQ said...

I have plenty of problems with the way Kate treats Jon and the kids. But her letting the little kids play outside "unsupervised" is not one of them. If we're seeing it, then it means that there were at least the camera person, and probably a sound guy there too.
I presume the production crew are union employees, and I'm sure the union contract, which was signed by either Figure8 or TLC, doesn't say anything about babysitting Kon's children. I'm also sure the production crew care about the children and wouldn't let anything happen to them, but, bottom line, the children are not their responsibility.

Kon chose to have the second round of IUI, and I suspect Katie Irene chose to be impregnated when she knew there were a lot of 'ripe' ova. As a nurse, Katie Irene should know that birth control is not retroactive. She had them, she's responsible for their safety and, to take any other position, is gauche, rude and presumptuous, which, I guess, accurately describes Katie Irene.

Mit said...

"I have 7 kids. SEVEN!!!!!!!!!!"

You are one kid short..maybe if you had 8 you could get your own show too...how DO you survive without a TV show, and all the other perks....god only knows....LMAO!

..... I know!!! I am beginning to question how in the world I do it!

Anonymous said...

according to The Today Show interview Season 4 began on 6/30

Anonymous said...

Isn't it interesting how they drive for 45 minutes to go to another church?

I recently watched the Memorial Day episode where they showed the family going to church. In it, Kate blathers on about how they chose their current church because the daycare situation during services could accommodate the tups better than presumably their old church.

Judging on the stories that have emerged about how they burned all bridges to family and their first church -- this is yet another example of how Kate has "stretched the truth" on national tv.

Pinnochio thy name is Kate!

Ku said...

You know it's not just about the networks putting these reality shows on. It's about the parents and people letting their children be on them! Seriously! We have to take responsibility for our own actions as a society as well.

Also, there is a such thing as VEGAN cupcakes. And other ways to give your kids yummy treats that don't have SO much sugar. My motto is everything in moderation.

I never give my son THAT much juice. He gets it once per day. That is it.


I am always utilizing cute ideas for my son and I to do. Why does it seem like this woman does little if anything to truly plan for her kids?

She says she plans but she really doesn't. Not in the family sense. A family chooses the most economical, fun, and interesting ways to do things. Mostly the most simple.

With gas prices the way they are 75 miles to a bakery is ridiculous!

Nancy said...

A friend of mine, who is a neighbor of the Gosselins said that the parents want that to be a camera free zone. (regarding the back yard)

That sounds nice, but didn't they film most of that cheesy "family musical video" in the back yard? And that had to be recent, too. Methinks Ms Kate says only what is convenient.

Anonymous said...

I have five kids...and each and every one of them would have been offered a cupcake at the bakery AND when we got home - dinner or not!

And about the gas - not only is it J&K's big ole gas guzzler sucking it down for these trips, how many other cars/vans are tagging along behind with crew members??? Very frustrating.

If they wanted cupcakes she could have made some healthy, organic even, zucchini or carrot cake kinds at home. But I guess that might be too messy, since they only thing the bakery did well, according to Kate, was manage the mess...

Oh, I've had Monkey Munch before and I do have to say it is very yummy! :P

delilah lily said...

They deserve to grow up in a private, loving and nurturing environment, not in the circus they currently live
Yes, they do, but even without the cameras they still have the SAME parents with the same parenting attitudes. Advocates can hopefully be helpful in getting laws passed to protect child reality-show actors, but I hope nobody here is pushing for the kids to be removed from the home. That, to me, is not right.

Anonymous said...

"A friend of mine, who is a neighbor of the Gosselins said that the parents want that to be a camera free zone."

Of all the more practical choices for 'camera free zone', J & K chose the backyard? Not the children's (tups) bedrooms or the bathroom. If it were me, I would say, you can film all you want in the back yard, but the children's bedrooms (twins and tups included) and the bathroom are off limits to the camera.

JMO on the Monkey Munch. Kate Gosselin didnt introduce the world to Monkey Munch. Monkey Munch/Puppy Chow has been around for many many years. Making Puppy Chow is a Christmas tradition in our family. I've been making it for over 27 years!

Anonymous said...

In response to:

"If they wanted cupcakes she could have made some healthy, organic even, zucchini or carrot cake kinds at home."

I AGREE 100% ! However, I dont see Kate having the time between her piles of laundry and hours on stain removal to spend on shredding carrots and zucchini. Or, standing in the upright position for any length of time required to prepare , bake, and then gather the children and decorate the cupcakes. It is much more to her liking to drag the kids miles to some fancy bakery dressed in their sunday best, bitch and moan about the mess and then use the cupcake as either a reward or punishment however she sees fit.

Anonymous said...

Count me in on the "parent who dislikes J&K" club. I have a two year old who no longer uses bibs or a high chair. We're also very close to ditching the sippy cups. :)

And before anyone says, "Yeah, well, you only have one kid", I only have one (right now) because my husband and I are responsible with fertility treatments. I have PCOS like Kate, as do quite a few other women I know, and we were ALL able to conceive with either glucophage/metformin or glucophage/metformin in combination with clomid. None of us have multiples.

Jillian said...

"JMO on the Monkey Munch. Kate Gosselin didnt introduce the world to Monkey Munch. Monkey Munch/Puppy Chow has been around for many many years. Making Puppy Chow is a Christmas tradition in our family. I've been making it for over 27 years!"

Yeah, tell me about it... I first had it at a baby shower over 10 years ago. My kids actually call it Monster Munch and it is a Halloween-time treat. :)

Anonymous said...

''You know it's not just about the networks putting these reality shows on. It's about the parents and people letting their children be on them! Seriously! We have to take responsibility for our own actions as a society as well.''

If people didn't watch these shows, they wouldn't be on TV. So do your part and don't watch. (Including J&K+8)

Anonymous said...

delilah lily said...
They deserve to grow up in a private, loving and nurturing environment, not in the circus they currently live
Yes, they do, but even without the cameras they still have the SAME parents with the same parenting attitudes. Advocates can hopefully be helpful in getting laws passed to protect child reality-show actors, but I hope nobody here is pushing for the kids to be removed from the home. That, to me, is not right.

I haven't heard or read anything here that people are pushing for the kids to be taken away. If there have been such posts, they have to be a very minority view. Most posters would prefer that Kate and Jon learn to parent better. Getting the children off TV would be great but it would also be good to know that loosing this gravy train isn't taken out on the children. they already treat those children in ways that don't seem to be emotionally healthy.
As far as the relationship between her and Jon, yes, work needs to be done there too but both of them have to agree to it because they seem entrenched in the roles they have made for each other. I hope they do change because the children don't need to grow up thinking that's an appropriate way to treat a spouse.

Anonymous said...

True Kate did not introduce us to "monkey munch" - I call it puppy chow... I have been eating this practically all my life. However, after the show aired and I made it for the people at work you would be surprised at how many people said they never heard of it before. They watched the show and wanted to try it. :)

Anonymous said...

I cannot help but compare J&K's life to others. Growing up, I lived in a rural area in Maine where lots of families had a lot of kids (it wasn't unusual for there to be 6-12 kids in a family). And yet, these people managed just fine. They didn't "need help" like Kate always complains about. The fathers usually worked long hours so the Moms took care of the kids without complaint. Some of the mother took on side jobs they could do at home like make wedding cakes or make baked goods to sell etc... And their homes were usually small because this area was not a very prosperous area. I knew one family with 12 children who live in a 3 bedroom house and know what? They were happy.

J&K are not happy and all they want is more, more, more. They got the help they wanted (cribs, free clothes, free products for the children) and yet that is not enough. Kate is "exhausted" all the time but she has everyone else doing her laundry, cooking, child care etc... I would much rather see assistance go to the families in Maine because they are real and had a lot of love in their homes. Not a lot of money but they made up for it in love and happy family life. But those are the type of people who probably would not accept any assistance, let alone demand it the J&K do.

K.C. said...

QUOTE/I recently watched the Memorial Day episode where they showed the family going to church. In it, Kate blathers on about how they chose their current church because the daycare situation during services could accommodate the tups better than presumably their old church./END QUOTE

I heard that too. As she was saying it I thought it was a slap in the face to their previous church. Especially after everything those people did for J&K! Didn't they all chip in and build an addition on to their last home? Then after all of that work she told them she didn't like it and sold that house? What gratitude.
I thought several of her comments about their church were strange. She was explaining why they liked their church and the reasons she gave were things like,
"The people here leave us alone" and "The people here don't bother us". I am not sure about the exact wording but it struck me as odd. (IIRC) She said the same thing 4 or 5 different ways. The reoccurring theme was that no one 'bothered' Jon and Kate at this church. I can't imagine choosing my church based on the fact that 'no one asks anything of me'.
Kate makes it clear that she doesn't want to give, however; she likes giving people. Each and every time she speaks of the people in her life she always mentions what they do for her. For instance, when they were at Bob and Beth's house for the photo shoot. Kate made some greedy comment like, "We love Bob and Beth because they love to help us". Then again with her sister and brother-in-law. When Kendra's(?) husband was painting the twins room she said something about them "doing as much as they can for us". Her parents "didn't know how to help" them. They moved close by Kevin and Jodi so they "could help" them with the kids. I could go on and on. The list is endless.

K.C. said...

"Kate Gosselin didnt introduce the world to Monkey Munch. Monkey Munch/Puppy Chow has been around for many many years."

There is a recipe on the back of the Rice Chex box. They call it 'Chex Muddy Budddies'. One cup has 500 calories and 20g fat!

Anonymous said...

After reading the descriptions of the upcoming episodes, I noticed there is no mention of the Gosselins traveling to Hawaii There is mention of the family going to the beach but they drive, so it is safe to assume they are not going to the beach in Hawaii. I really hope the whole story of them going to Hawaii to renew their vows is false, does anyone know for sure? I could not stomach seeing Jon and Kate renewing vows that they didn't take seriously the first time. I couldn't think of anything more sickening to watch.

iluveeyore said...

Kate has actually said that she does NOT bake. However, we saw her making 2 birthday cakes for Maddy and Cara. Which is the truth?

Secondly, she put full-size aprons on all the kids while standing in the street outside of the bakery. What in the world were the aprons for? Were they not supposed to get the aprons dirty?

Third, why were Cara and Maddy allowed to eat their cupcakes at the bakery? That was never explained.

Lynn/Anon1967 said...

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/jon-and-kate/302813835

thoughts?
I thought the line about the kids being a product of the parents, so we can't hate the parents because we think the kids are cute, is ludicrous.

my9cats said...

Did a little Googling.
J&K bought their house in March 2006 and paid 280K for it. Wonder what it will sell for now.
It's amazing what is public access on the internet. Amazing and frightening.

Sera said...

delilah lily said...
They deserve to grow up in a private, loving and nurturing environment, not in the circus they currently live
Yes, they do, but even without the cameras they still have the SAME parents with the same parenting attitudes. Advocates can hopefully be helpful in getting laws passed to protect child reality-show actors, but I hope nobody here is pushing for the kids to be removed from the home. That, to me, is not right.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...please do not think that I once even INSINUATED that the children be taken from their parents. I would never EVER think that. I just think that eliminating the constant presence of television cameras and production crews would do a world of good in helping with the children's development. These poor kids have every growing-up mishap and embarrassment aired to the world, it's not good for their confidence or mental health. From what we see, many of the problems Kon face are a result of the cameras or scheduling. Take that away and maybe things aren't so bad. If you remember back to the one-hour special and the first few episodes, the family seemed to function much, much better. Things have gotten progressively worse since the show ramped up production and their daily lives became more and more staged.

No one on here has ever stated that the children should be taken from their parents, I don't think it's fair of you to even suggest that people would think that.

Anonymous said...

iluveeyore said...
"Kate has actually said that she does NOT bake. However, we saw her making 2 birthday cakes for Maddy and Cara."

She also made the point of saying that the cake was made from SCRATCH and take hours. IMO, thus comes the criticim. Don't claim that you DONT do something in order to make a point or justify an excuse, and then turn around and DO the very thing that you claim you dont do in order to make yourself look competent or going above and beyond the 'call of duty.'

Anonymous said...

Lynn/Anon1967 said...
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/jon-and-kate/302813835

thoughts?
I thought the line about the kids being a product of the parents, so we can't hate the parents because we think the kids are cute, is ludicrous.

I couldn't get through the first few minutes of this video. Who is this person? One of the first lines is "Kate wanted to get pregnant again so she could see what is was like being pregnant with just one". Excuse me? Is that the reason for getting pregnant? What about the baby as a result of the pregnancy. These people that try to help Kate out actually make it worse for her.

sistah2 said...

anon 957: the word was that the family is going to Hawaii sometime later this month. Filming will take place and its assumed the episode will air maybe 4-6 weeks after.
wonder if we'll get a 2-part epi a'la Brady Bunch?

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

K.C.--very perspective--

"Kate makes it clear that she doesn't want to give, however; she likes giving people. Each and every time she speaks of the people in her life she always mentions what they do for her."

This entire post is right on the mark!


Anonymous:
"I really hope the whole story of them going to Hawaii to renew their vows is false, does anyone know for sure?"

It is my understanding that this is true. They should be leaving for Hawaii any day now.

delilah lily said...

No one on here has ever stated that the children should be taken from their parents, I don't think it's fair of you to even suggest that people would think that.

I don't know about this board. It has been suggested on at least one other board, so yes, some people DO think that. I am hoping there is nobody here who wants that, because I agree it's wrong.

queenie said...

I know we all say kate doesn't learn from anything, she will continue to be dogmatic and mean but I think through some type of counseling on her own, to get over her neurosis...

We actually don't know if Kate has the capacity to learn, because a person has to be able to admit that they have made a mistake in order to learn from it.

We have not seen Kate own anything wrong that she has done. If she ever does take responsibility for anything, then we might be able to see if she learns anything from it or changes from it. Until she is willing to admit to any wrongdoing, I'm not sure that any counseling will help.

As far as the gas/fuel thing, I am not so concerned that they are burning it, but that they have not mentioned the expense. If this were "real" or a "day in the life" I think we would be hearing about gas once in awhile on the couch. But they don't have to pay for any of it, it is all a production cost.

I think that an average family has had to make accommodations for this kind of thing, but these guys are driving all over the place without one mention of gas expense. I just think that we should be hearing something like, "We wanted to do boy-girl separate activities today, but we just can't afford to run two vehicles. So we decided to stay home and stare at the walls."

But since they are raking in the money, have sponsors and production paying for everything, they do not have to be concerned with such things.

They are no longer "real" and for them to drive 75 miles both ways to make a cupcake (and then throw half of them in the garbage) with not a word about fuel (cupcakes only being one example of the hither, thither, and yon they are always off to) is just asking for too much suspension of reality for a "reality" show.

On that note, why do J&K keep saying, "We decided to...?" They are not deciding to do anything. They are doing what they are told or offered according to production schedules and set-ups. The "we decided to"'s are annoying.

SmartyQ said...

"The people here leave us alone" and "The people here don't bother us". I am not sure about the exact wording but it struck me as odd. (IIRC) She said the same thing 4 or 5 different ways. The reoccurring theme was that no one 'bothered' Jon and Kate at this church. I can't imagine choosing my church based on the fact that 'no one asks anything of me'.
Lordy be! Can you imagine Katie Irene's reaction if someone at their church asked something of her? She has EIGHT kids, you know, EIGHT kids! I wonder if that poor person's hearing ever returned.

Of course, the people at Kon's church don't bother them. The church people are Christians—not morons. I don't remember anything in scripture about being required to go out of your way to put yourself in the position of having to turn the other cheek.

Katie Irene confuses many people's reactions to her circus. I remember that, as they were leaving the Crayola Factory, she said people were looking at her with pity. It was disgust, Katie Irene, disgust and disbelief.

Anonymous said...

Open letter to Kate:
Please don't ever leave your kids with me, because I would treat them just like my grandchildren.
When at my house, Mom and Dad's rules are not broken, but "relaxed". That means I pass out ice cream cones, sit with them and watch Sponge Bob, help them understand Internet games, push them on the swings I hung from the trees, ask them to spray my garden, we play with the cats, read, whatever interests them at the moment, and I cook them whatever they desire. The four year old also has learned to make scrambled eggs. She cracks them, mixes them, and adds her spices and milk. I supervise as she cooks them on my stove. She is becoming a pro. They go to the bathroom themselves, and wash their hands afterwards. I ask them to take their plates, cups to the sink after they eat. I keep telling them that I will love them forever and they say it back to me. The most important thing to me is that they remember their grandparents loving them unconditionally.

Anonymous said...

AAnonymous said...
Lynn/Anon1967 said...
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/jon-and-kate/302813835

thoughts?
I thought the line about the kids being a product of the parents, so we can't hate the parents because we think the kids are cute, is ludicrous.


I couldn't get through the first few minutes of this video. Who is this person? One of the first lines is "Kate wanted to get pregnant again so she could see what is was like being pregnant with just one". Excuse me? Is that the reason for getting pregnant? What about the baby as a result of the pregnancy. These people that try to help Kate out actually make it worse for her.

Wow, ramble much. I couldn't listen to much more then a moment either. If she didn't look and speak so immaturely then perhaps I might think she had something to really say but instead of using critical thinking skills she just goes talking out of her ....
So, this is an example of one of those posters berating anyone that dare say a word against Kon. A fine example of the shows demographic. Come back when you have put a few years under your belt honey.

AmandaT said...

As far as the church thing - I can kind of understand that. When my son was just a little baby, I could bring him into service with me, and he'd nurse and nap and generally be quiet. But now that he's an active toddler, we go to a church that has a childrens ministry and a preschool where he plays while we're at service. So I can see from that aspect, although, I wonder if it is just an excuse.

And in response to the wedding vow renewal in Hawaii, there was mention of it in a Washington Post article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072901856_2.html

Anonymous said...

Anon127, that is the perfect description of a child's ideal grandparent. I was lucky enough to have one in my life and it pains me that these kids do not have that experience. Grandma's rules were quite relaxed, but still enforced. If anything could result in injury (throwing rocks, putting things in outlets, climbing fences, etc) it was off limits. Other than that we were good to go.

I still can't believe the sippy cup deal. My little one learned to drink out of a sports-bottle at 2 and refused sippy cups from that point on. Sure we have spills, but the solution is simple: only water can leave the kitchen/dining areas. There is no valid reason for kids to need that much drink at will, they are quite capable of realizing their boundaries. (We have not mastered "leave the drink on the table" so his drink usually ends up at the threshhold of the kitchen. Baby steps.)

And again, "I only have one child" I know....but this is not a hard concept for 6 4-year-olds to grasp.

K.C. said...

Lynn/Anon1967 said...
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/jon-and-kate/302813835

I can't believe I made it through all 10 minutes of this girl's 'rant'.

MY THOUGHTS:

1. The girl on this video is a child. There is no way she is even old enough to vote.

2. The girl in this video contradicts herself as often as Kate.

3. The girl in this video honestly doesn't understand the difference between the sound guy making money off the show and J&K making money off the show.

--Need I say more?

Barbara said...

I couldn't agree more with Queenie. Stop with the "we decided to". Who do they think they are kidding?

Anonymous said...

So I googled "how much jon and kate get paid per episode" (or something along those lines) and came up with pretty much what was decided here ($5,000 to $65,000). But happened upon their site on TLC. There are a string of video clips and I was intrigued by the ones they chose to display.

A few weeks ago, I wrote to TLC voicing my concerns about the show. In their response, they basically stated its a documentary and the very nature of a documentary is to express the view of the film maker.

Back to the clips - it seems as if each and every topic that is discussed here is on the short clips. It seems to me, like they are using those to fuel this fire.

It made me think, things started out innocently enough. Then the producers realized what they could do with J&K's personalities and capitalized on that. Stupid J&K fell right into it and are giving TLC just what they asked for, at the expense of their marriage, their children and their relationships with everyone in their lives.

If that's the case, TLC should have to foot the bill for the kids therapy in later years. Yeah, its great for their ratings but man, where are your morals? How do those people sleep at night?

It was actually kind of sad...watching Kate how she started out (admitting to the OCD - how its overwhelming and she doesn't want to behave that way, but she can't stop) and seeing her in a situation that is only aggrivating her issues. When will they smarten up???

Sorry to preach to the choir, but I had to vent.

Anonymous said...

In the Washington Post article ( link provided in a previous post)

"Similarly, some perks, such as her tummy tuck and Jon's hair transplant, have been provided free of charge."
Some perks? Of the long list of freebies that these two have received, they chose to admit to the tummy tuck and hair transplant surgery?? Again, it is statements such as this that MISLEAD the viewers in to believing that J & K are paying out of their own
pocket for all the vacations, trips to the amusement parks, kids clothing , and so on. Of all the so called perks J & K have received at the expense of exploiting their children, they chose to admit to two of the most vain, self serving, and unnecessary of them all to date!

Fidelia said...

OT to Barbara upline:

The minute I saw that teeny-weeny photo of you in front of that rock I knew it was the Balanced Rock in the Garden of the Gods in Colorado Springs, CO, where I grew up. I now live in Denver. Magnificent place Colorado.

Glad to have you aboard, Barbara.

BTW, I guess you noted the cement at the base of the rock. The Gods want to make *sure* it stays up there.

Carry on,
Fidelia

Jennifer said...

melissa said...
you know what I would watch, and would be interested in watching-- kate and jon in couples therapy.


I could not bring myself to watch that. Too personal and private for my taste.

Jennifer said...

A little OT... but I found this from google...


Kate Gosselin Says:

June 18th, 2007 at 8:58 am
I am so glad to be able to still follow Ryan and Brianna. I have been in contact with them since the beginning of their pregnancy when they contacted me for support. I think and pray for them constantly as my heart is breaking for them! Having been in the same situation and realizing that I too could now be walking in their shoes just hits me so hard!!! They made the right decision from the very beginning and can always take comfort in knowing that they provided each and everyone of their babies the chance to live…. and there are no words to describe their courage!!!!!
I want them to know that we are from afar supporting them even still and moreso…. with our thoughts and prayers for comfort and peace. I pray that God will wrap His loving arms around them and give them the grace and strength to move forward one step at a time!!!!!
Sincerely and prayerfully, Kate and Jon Gosselin and family

Lynn said...

"I recently watched the Memorial Day episode where they showed the family going to church. In it, Kate blathers on about how they chose their current church because the daycare situation during services could accommodate the tups better than presumably their old church."

Kate is so full of it. I attend a mega-church less than 15 minutes from Kon. (Love that nickname, whoever came up with it!) Our church has so many kids that we have 8 nurseries for kids less than 2 years of age.

For the 4 year old 'tups, we have a HUGE room where the kids are divided into small groups. The 'tups could each be in a different group and get time away from each other!

For the twins, they'd go to their grade-level group, which is equally HUGE.

There is no other church in all of Central PA that could handle the kids better than ours. J&K know of it because at least 2 people they know attend.

Anonymous said...

Great article and spot on. The differences between the family with the first (and even second) special and now are night & day.

I liked Kate in the specials (even though I did find it odd that Jon would be the one getting her coffee every morning and then her staying in bed until 8-9 while the tups were still in their cribs - what babies sleep that late?!?). She came across as down to earth and honest in her opinions.

Now... don't get me started. Just the fact that neither of them care to remember that their children watch the show and openly critize them during their "private" chats with the producer. Like Mady won't find out her mom thinks her craft was hideous. Or Joel won't notice Mom & Dad mocking his lisp. Or Aaden won't care that his parents think he's feminine (esp when his classmates see that episode).

For every one little compliment they pay their children, it's the negative comments the kids will remember. And have thrown in their faces at school.

As for the Washington Post article - Kate, just come out and say what you're implying. You want more free stuff cuz your life is just so freaking hard. I can sympathize! My personal organic chef likes to sneak in unauthorized ingredients, my personal assistant only works 12 hours daily, my maid keeps forgetting to dust behind the furnace, and my nanny has the audacity to expect me to interact with my children. It's soooo hard and no one ever helps me.

Lastly, it's surprising the Washington Post didn't do the math. First special was 2006, then their show started in 2007. Yet here they are at season 4. It usually takes 4 years, or 2 years of half-seasons (13 eps) to achieve a 4th season. Yet J&K have reached that milestone while barely breaking a sweat. They did mention cameras were there 3-4 days a week, is that every single week? What happens the other 3-4 days, or is that subject taboo because they don't want anyone to know they only parent their kids half a week and panhandle at churchs the other half?

Janet said...

I have been a lurker on here for over a month but this is my first time posting. I do have to say I think this blog is fantastic and I am glad it exists so we all know there are a LOT of us out there who feel the exact same way concerning this show!!

I just wanted to share a little of my family history/story with you all. My parents were high school sweethearts who married following graduation in 1949 at the age 18. By the time they were 28, they had 6 children. I am one of triplets. My parents already had 3 children and were not planning on having any more but God must have decided to bless my parents anyway with the three of us! This was in 1958 before fertility treatments so we were conceived naturally at a time when triplets were more rare (we were the first triplets born in this particular hospital in San Diego and born on on our father's 28th birthday to boot!). My parents did not even know they were having triplets until 6 WEEKS before we were born, because back then there were no ultrasound machines and x-rays were finally taken to confirm it! And we were full term; I weighed 6 lbs and my sisters weighed more than that).

My older siblings were age 5, 7 and 8 when we were born and they couldn't WAIT to assist my mother, each picking one of us to take care of and help my mom. My father worked in men's clothing all his life and money wasn't always plentiful. But we never went without and my mom found ways to make the dollar stretch. In addition, our mom made EACH AND EVERY ONE of us to feel special and she NEVER picked favorites, (UNLIKE some OTHER mother of multiples I know...coughcoughkategosselincough cough..)

What we lacked in money and other material things, my mother more than made up for it with unconditional love and affection and special one-on-one times for ALL of us. This was also BEFORE disposable diapers and cloth diapers were used, how in the world would Kate handle something like THAT?! My mom also worked part time and then full time as we started attending school and as we grew. But she would come home from a long day (ON HER FEET as she worked in retail) and make meals from scratch, because this was also in the days before microwaves, so there was no easy cooking back then (although Hamburger Helper came along & my mom took advantage of that!).

My mother and father taught all 6 of us what it means to love one another, respect one another and help each other and how to be successful in life. You can't put a price tag on that! My siblings and I have always had a close relationship and we have our parents to thank for that. Sadly, our father passed away one month ago from Alzheimer's and our mother is currently in a nursing home but we visit her daily. And do you know what we often talk about while there? We talk about our 'great' childhood and reminisce about this or that, always with a big smile on our faces or laughing out loud at the memories. I can't help wondering if this will be something the Gosselin children will be able to do when its THEIR time to visit Kate or Jon near the end of their lives, whenever that time comes.

I just want to make a couple more comments concerning Kon. Granted, I know they don't film the family 24/7 but I was thinking recently (& I don't know if this has been brought up before or not) but they NEVER show Jon or Kate READING to the children before bedtime?? Jon could be in the boy's room reading a story to them and Kate could be in the girl's room reading a story to the girls. Or, better yet! Mix it up and have KATE READ TO THE BOYS and Jon read to the girls! Nah, you're probably right; that would be asking too much of Kate!

I'd also like to see Kate working a full time job and THEN coming home to cook a meal (w/o help from a microwave, etc) for her large family, all by herself. But you're right, that'll never happen either.

It really really bothers me that Kate is more concerned that the kids look so 'cute' and 'nice' in their outfits, at the expense of them not having fun on the grass, using crayons and markers, making and eating cupcakes, etc. Cupcakegate REALLY bothered me the most because Kate said on the confessional couch that having to change the kids out of their Sunday school outfits and into other clothes when they were going to the bakery "would be a hassle" and she had a totally annoyed look on her face as she said it. And all I could think was "this woman is incredibly selfish and only thinking of HERSELF and not how much more fun this would have been for the kids!!"(IMO).

Okay, I think I have rambled on enough, thanks again for having this blog! I hope to post in the near future!

Janet

Serena said...

Janet - I think we'd like to move your post to the main page as a blog entry.

What is the recipe for Monkey Munch?? I would love to try it.

The official recipe from Chex Cereals calls the mixture "Muddy Buddies" and can be found here.

my9cats said...

Serena,
First off I would like to commend the GWOP website. It would behoove the powers-that-be to read and absorb the posts and comments which are thoughtful, articulate, intelligent, and witty. GWOP is not your run-of-the-mill rant site.
That said, would it be possible to have a miscellaneous comment section where bloggers comments or questions not directly related to posts already posted (is that redundant) can go? Sort of like a one time Q&A site. Asked/answered, move on. A place where a comment like this which has no real home, or requests for links, recipies etc can go. Just wondering.
Again my sincere compliments to you and the staff of GWOP-the website with integrity.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

Lynn--"There is no other church in all of Central PA that could handle the kids better than ours. J&K know of it because at least 2 people they know attend."

This is absolutely correct. I have been to this church and the children's program is amazing. And yes, J&K do know many people who attend this church...more excuses!!

Anonymous said...

"I'd also like to see Kate working a full time job and THEN coming home to cook a meal (w/o help from a microwave, etc) for her large family, all by herself. But you're right, that'll never happen either."

She did used to work and always cooked from scratch. Remember the special with the tummy tuck? She cooked all day to provide from scratch nutritious meals for 2 weeks for the family. Now that she can afford it she apparently hires someone to do the same. Can't say I wouldn't if I had the money. (But no, I wouldn't continue the pretense that we needed "love offerings" after that point!).

Anonymous said...

Can you write the link of the WashPost article again? I can´t see the complete address in my computer.
thanks

Serena said...

my9cats - that's a good idea, and it's come up in the past. I am going to be adding a missing kids/amber alert banner to the blog, I will add a miscellaneous/Q&A area as well. I'm on the road at the moment but will definitely add this to my to-do list for the near future.

Serena said...

Can you write the link of the WashPost article again? I can´t see the complete address in my computer.

Is this the one you're looking for?

K.C. said...

"She did used to work and always cooked from scratch. Remember the special with the tummy tuck? She cooked all day to provide from scratch nutritious meals for 2 weeks for the family."

Actually, someone,(I think it was TheTruthWillSetYouFree), has posted that Kate did not really cook that many meals. Kate made it look like she cooked all that food for the special, when in fact, many of her neighbors were kind enough to bring precooked meals over to help her out. Of course, she wouldn't thank them publicly as that would ruin the 'supermom' image she wants everyone to have of her.

I really enjoyed reading Janet's post. I'm glad that it will be moved to a blog entry so more people will see it. It's always nice to read about such a positive, loving family.

SmartyQ said...

In addition, our mom made EACH AND EVERY ONE of us to feel special and she NEVER picked favorites, (UNLIKE some OTHER mother of multiples I know...coughcoughkategosselincough cough..)
Janet, thank you for sharing your amazing story. It was written with love and humor. (I couldn't resist the 'coughcough . . . ') My condolences for your beloved father's death.

iluveeyore said...

Another link to The Washington Post article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8072901856.html

Janet said...

Serena,

I have no problem with you moving my post; since this was my first time posting/blogging, I wasn't sure where to put it. =)

Anon 6:20 AM,

Thank you for your comments. What a coincidence you were also born in 1958 in San Diego, wow! We were born at Sharp Memorial Hospital. Where were you born?

k.c. & smartyq,

Thank you for your comments and condolences. I actually found it therapeutic to write of my family while still mourning the loss of our father.

mplsloon said...

I use to be a publicist. I can tell you that The Washington Post article was just a 'lazy' reporter. We use to send articles to magazines and newspapers all the time for our clients that were almost completely written for the reporter because we were just looking for the 'press coverage'. This is nothing new. Just keep in mind that a publicist probably sent out the article first. In fact when you start to see other articles about Jon & Kate, look for them to sound very similar. It's their publicists' job and an easy 'out' for a reporter to slack off on the job at the newspaper/magazine.

Yepperpepper said...

Someone mentioned on that on another blog/site there were people suggesting to take the kids away.

On fansofrealitytv.com (before it was closed permanently), it was mentioned that Social Services should step in...by me! Not to remove the kids, but for counseling for the parents and parenting classes. I'm not sure if it was mentioned on other sites.

I don't think the kids should be taken away AT ALL. I actually think Kon (that name is cute and accurate) have some good ideas and a few good values. I just think someone should intervene to help them out in certain situations.

Nancy said...

I agree that the Gosselins need parenting classes and NOW! They have a lot of kids to raise and don't seem to be making wise parenting choices, to put it mildly. I doubt if Jon ever even knew any little kids before he married Kate, and although Kate said she always wanted kids it doesn't appear that she knows how to deal with that many. This family needs HELP!

Anonymous said...

This is my first time on this site and haven't had a chance to read back through all of the comments. Was wondering , I haven't seen Beth on any recent episodes. Is there I reason ??

Anonymous said...

Couple things..

1. I read upthread they make a certain amount of $ per episdoe. Does anyone know if they make $ per re-run. Their show is on at least 4x a day here...That is a lot.

2. Their choice of church is their choice...I just switched churches for the simple reason that I wasn't getting what I should out of each sermon. Well, when people from my old church ask and I tell them this they get offended, so I feel obligated to make an excuse or feel terrible about my decision (one that I am happy with). The church I left helped me pay for my schooling, made meals for me when needed, etc. Well, I still didn't feel as though because they helped me during rough times that I shouldn't switch churches. That is ludacris. Switching churches for whatever reason is intimate and personal...therefore we shouldn't judge or ridicule J&K for their decision they felt was best for them and their family.

3. The tups are not using sippy cups. They are cups from Hands on House (Joel's special day) and they are regular cups with lids on them with straws. p.s. my family we use cups with lids too unless we are outside, 2 children.

4. When Kate made the meals for her tummy tuck it was said from "truth" that people made meals for her after surgery. That could be true too, however Kate could have been unaware that this was to happen. When my church made my family meals it was always after surgery, therefore Kate would have already made her meals.

5. In the episode where they take the twins for headshots, they mention the price of gas. They take the "little" van because of the cost of gas...Obviously this was before they made it "big" I honestly wouldn't be surprised if TLC pays for their gas to get places they suggest for filming.

Okay, my rant is over...

p.s. I'm sitting here eating Monkey Munch...delicious :)

Anonymous said...

5:10,

The biggest issues with Kon switching churches for me is that Kate's dad is a minister at the church around the corner from them.

I just think that it is very weird that family lives so close by (grandparents, Kevin, Jody, other siblings) but they do not even attend the same churches as them. As a kid, I remember always seeing my cousins during church and church related events. They rather drive far away and make new friendships.

Anonymous said...

anon 6:55- I live next to my parents and choose to go to a different church I was brought up at and the one my parents still attend. I drive 25 minutes further.

Lynn said...

"They rather drive far away and make new friendships."

If they drive an hour away, they are making a lot of acquaintances rather than friends. That is convenient because acquaintances do not get to know you like friends do. If they went to church close to home, they might be expected to invite church friends to their house. The church friends would see all the "hired help", etc. and their charade would be up.

If they are frequently out of town for speaking engagements, I wonder how often they actually get to church? Funny for a family that portrays Christ being important to them.

If friends and family took the kids to their churches before if Kon was out of town, I doubt they will be able to now since more and more friends and family seem to be pushed away.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice from that Washington Post article... the pictyre of Jon and Kate and the kids... the only ones smiling are Jon and Kate. None of the kids are smiling.

Anonymous said...

Janet,
I don't know how to quote, but I was born at the San Diego Naval Hospital in March 1958. What month were you born? I live in SF now but once I met someone born the same day as me at the same hospital here in SF!!!

K.C. said...

Anonymous 5:10 said...

4. When Kate made the meals for her tummy tuck it was said from "truth" that people made meals for her after surgery. That could be true too, however Kate could have been unaware that this was to happen. When my church made my family meals it was always after surgery, therefore Kate would have already made her meals.

Since she was going to be out of town for a while, the neighbors brought food to her BEFORE the surgery. IIRC some of the meals we saw wrapped up on that special/episode were actually not prepared by Kate but were passed off as her own. This is the way I understood it.

*No where in my comment does it say "after surgery" as you stated in your post. I should have been more specific.

K.C. said...Actually, someone,(I think it was TheTruthWillSetYouFree), has posted that Kate did not really cook that many meals. Kate made it look like she cooked all that food for the special, when in fact, many of her neighbors were kind enough to bring precooked meals over to help her out. Of course, she wouldn't thank them publicly as that would ruin the 'supermom' image she wants everyone to have of her.

Janet said...

Anon 8:48 PM:

To answer your question, we were born on Dec 9th. Being the first set of triplets born at this hospital, we were the 'local celebrities' and were featured in the newspaper and on the news. Of course, nothing like the attention the 'tups got when they arrived, but identical triplets were more rare then, as I stated before, so back in 1958 it was kind of a big deal. If only my mother could have received all the freebies the Gosselins have been getting, it would have been easier for her but she never complained. But as I do recall now, I think she did get 1 year free diaper service; this was when there were cloth diapers only so I'm sure that was a big help. And being 2 weeks before Christmas when we were born, the hospital sent her the bill but had marked in red on it "PAID IN FULL. MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

That is amazing you met someone born at the same hospital on the same day as you!

Anonymous said...

"J & K's neighborhood looks like a ghost town--no other kids to be seen, either by accident or (more likely) on purpose."

Just a neighbor chiming in...actually there are about thirty kids on J&K's street several of which are the same age as the tups. The tups just don't have time to interact with all the other kids! At any given time the cul de sac down the street is full of kids on bikes! With parents out front chatting.

Anonymous said...

In response to:
"I presume the production crew are union employees, and I'm sure the union contract, which was signed by either Figure8 or TLC, doesn't say anything about babysitting Kon's children. I'm also sure the production crew care about the children and wouldn't let anything happen to them, but, bottom line, the children are not their responsibility."
In a recent rerun of 'Behind The Scenes" Kate states in response to a question asked by the director, Jenny, and I am paraphrasing; It is your goal (Jenny and camera crew) to help us out. Yes, she did use the word goal in her response. The goal of a director and camera crew is to direct and produce a television show. I highly doubt that within the job description of the director and camera crew it states their 'goal' is to help out J & K.

ashley said...

i just found this blog and have to say...i love it! its veryyyy entertaining.
anyways, i really loved this show before i started reading all the negative things about J&K online.
the more i read, the more i realize that this is really a very difunctional family! i have to admit that i do watch the show every week...but i do see how crazy kate and jon are and always thought something just "wasnt right" about the whole thing.
one thing that just annoys me is the fact that kate complains (multiple times in EVERY episode) how she is so tired, blah blah blah. i totally understand shes tired, she has 8 kids (plus help) but she also gets how many trips to the spa, her and jon go out to eat toghether pretty often, and vacation after vacation!
my hubby & i have only one 10 month old, and i dont get to go to the spa! we go out to eat, but only when we have a family member to watch the kid, and we just dont feel comfortable asking them very often...we dont want to be a burden, even though we know they would enjoy watching him (unlike jon and kate, who seem to have no problem asking friends to watch their EIGHT kids). but yknow what? i LOVE spending time with my son, and i WANT to go outside and play and take him places, and i dont lay him down for a 3 hour nap everyday because i am "soooo tired"!!! haha, and hes not even a year old yet! ;)
i just find that pretty obnoxious of her to be constantly complaining! she seems to have a pretty good life, jeesh, just enjoy it!

Anonymous said...

At this stage of the game, shouldn't the twins be accompanying mom and dad to church services instead of being pawned off to an on-site baby sitter?

They'll never know God's word if their only source is Kate.

Nancy said...

I believe the twins go to a young people's program, which is like a church service for kids old enough to "get it". Lots of activity; praising, singing, clapping, etc.
I wonder if they'll question some of the things their parents do in comparison to what they are being taught at church?

Anonymous said...

How can J&K belong to ANY church in PA at this point??? Typically, any fundamentalist Christian church requires that one "tithes" to be a member. One is required to give a percentage of one's annual income. Or, did the "church elders" give J&K a freebie on that, too? And what about all those things that churches often do - like food pantries for the needy where people donate non-perishable items? Do you think Kate is hauling her ass over there with some canned goods? I think not.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know of the Dionne quints? They were born in the 1930's in Northern Ontario (Canada) and in the days before TV were put on display in "Quintland". At one point they were a bigger tourist attraction than Niagara Falls. To say that their lives were shattered by the sideshow treatment is probably an understatement -- start by reading the Wikipedia entry or Googling "Dionne Quintuplets" to get an idea.

Sharla said...

From the Assembly of God website the denomination encourages tithing quite strongly but doesn't seem to make it a condition of attendance at their churches. They wouldn't know for sure if anyone was tithing unless someone would be willing to divulge their income to the church.

Anonymous said...

Fun story...I was at the Park City Mall today and my four year old son walked up to a lady, pointed at her, and said, "Mom I know her face". I told him, "honey, we don't know her". As I was saying that and feeling a little embarrased, I looked at her face and sure enough he did recognize the lady. It was Aunt Jodi. I just smiled and was on my way. It's just so funny seeing people fom TV in person. It's even funnier that my four year old son was able to recognize her. Me, I would have just walked right on past. I guess my son misses seeing her on TV...imagine how the Gosselin children feel.

Anonymous said...

In response to:
"The tups just don't have time to interact with all the other kids!"

IMO the truth of the matter is J & K do not ALLOW them to interact with the other children of the neighborhood. Its quite obvious the tups socially interacting with other children their own age is not a priority for J & K. Filming a reality show and making $$ for mom and dad take far more precedents over that of the tups enjoying their childhood and social development.

Twinner said...

I love this blog. I check it several times a day.

I'm just back from Twinsdays in Twinsburg Ohio and I had a few conversations with people about the show. It usually starts with a 'I wonder if Jon and Kate plus 8 have ever been here'. Well, since the festival doesn't pay people to attend I would doubt it. (I've been going for many years and we haven't had any big time twin people come.

In general, many of the parents are fans of the 'orgainzational skills' and 'how much harder it would have been with 6 rather than 2' but a few people have seen what we all have seen. I did mention the assitants, the speaking fees, the freebees, Aunt Jodi and Jon's non-job situation to some serious shock from some.

Incidentally, my identical twin sister loves Kate. She reads the fan boards. She does see some of the bad (markers, hours upon hours to dress 6 kids, treating 4 year olds like 2 year olds) but shes not ready to accept the 'gossip' of things like Aunt Jodi's sister or some of the dirt dug up.

FIONA said...

Just a neighbor chiming in...actually there are about thirty kids on J&K's street several of which are the same age as the tups. The tups just don't have time to interact with all the other kids! At any given time the cul de sac down the street is full of kids on bikes! With parents out front chatting.

August 4, 2008 6:08 AM

_____

Do neighbor kids stop and talk? You know how kids are....they don't care about the wonky Mom.

Do you ever see Mady and Cara riding bikes or playing with other kids in the neighborhood, or do you think they are not allowed.

Anonymous said...

Can I just say, I am so sick of watching them get free stuff. I knew when she mentioned Hawaii (at the airport in Utah) that it was just a matter of time before I saw J&K doing the hula. I mean, really, what part of this show is real? They should name it J&K and their free loading life! It is just like the movie , The Truman Show. The show has become one big advertisment...Everything is for sale. I feel bad for the kids. People are starting to see the truth, and they will be the ones that will pay in the long run.

Munchkn said...

Ah, the Dionne quintuplets! The Wikipedia article on the McCaughey septuplets says that the surviving Dionne sisters wrote to the McCaugheys when their babies were born cautioning them about letting their little ones be exploited and urging them to make sure that their children had the most normal upbringing possible.

Serena said...

Munchkin -- we did an entire blog entry regarding that letter!

Munchkn said...

Thanks Serena, I'd not seen that entry yet. It's a great entry with some terrific comments

Anonymous said...

Or how about brushing their own teeth?




I don't feel as comfortable as others on here making statements about protecting the kids, ending the show, etc., I just don't feel like I really know what their real lives are like.

However, as the mother of a typical four year-old, I am beyond disgusted that the tups are four and still:
-use bibs
-use sippy cups
-sit in high chairs
-use potty TRAINING potties instead of toilets
-can't/don't dress themselves
-ride in strollers


-I'm sure I'm forgetting something...

To me, not encouraging independence/skills in a preschooler is a form of abuse. I don't know why they are so caught up in paying for college- how do they think that will even be an issue when they aren't even giving the tups the skills they need to succeed in kindergarten?

Birdie1483 said...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/10841225#10841225

Bobbi McCaughey, the anti-Kate?? Now THIS is someone who should get free stuff!