Beach Trip

TLC is airing a new Jon & Kate Plus 8 episode tomorrow night (Monday August 18th) -- a 60-minute feature starting at 9:00 p.m. Eastern titled Beach Trip:
Jon and Kate take the kids to the beach, hoping it works out better than the sextuplets' first seaside experience at age 3, which turned out badly because of cold, windy weather.

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Laura said...

I love it when Kate tells Jon to be nice. Kate has absolutely no clue.

Carrie Ann said...

Jenny has to share a room with Alexis? WHAT? You have to give the poor Nanny some time off. I don't understand why Alexis can't sleep in the room with her sisters.

Anonymous said...

An HOUR of this crap?

Krista said...

Kate just told her kids they would DIE if they ate body paint????? Isn't all paint for kids now non-toxic? Not food, yes. You WILL DIE, not so much.

Anonymous said...

This episode shouldn't of been called "BEACH TRIP." It should have been called "DAMAGE CONTROL!"

Sera said...

This episode has some good parts - the kids seemed to have some fun at the beach, but why in the heck do they keep showing shots of the boys with their swim trunks down around their bums?! And the girls changing?!

And does Jon not realise how much the water whips and stings when you spray it on your skin at full blast? Lordy be!

This episode just shows the severe behaviourial issues that Alexis and Joel have. She is quite the terror and doesn't listen to anyone, and Joel just screams when someone is wrong instead of using words. Poor kids.

Anonymous said...

I think they've been reading our blog... Much better behavior and attitudes. Now if they could only stop the lying.

merryway said...

When are the going to change the opening of the show to: ... and ended up with six. Today we have it made, go everywhere, and are a reality show family with all the fixins.

I suggest this blog have a contest to write revised copy for the opening of the show. Kate doesn't have any reason to "very well lose her mind" anymore.

K.C. said...

Jon: "I wish this kid would walk!"
Kate: "Jon, be kind"

In several shots there was a man/crew member standing behind them at the beach, holding sheets of paper. Do you think those were waivers?

When they were chasing the crab did you hear Mady say something like "I already caught it but you said no" then a second later, after crab was caught, "I caught it the first time". I wonder what that was about?

Something was 'off' to me with the exchange between Aaden and Joel. Aaden tells Joel he has "disgusting hands", then Joel says, (crying) 'I'm washing them'.
Kate has really instilled the fear of dirt in them.

Hannah falls down in the sand and Kate says "NO! Uh, oh, (as she's falling towards the sand), you need rinsed again". So every time a child gets sandy you have to rinse them? That's sick. This whole segment made me ill.

team_aaden said...

I am still laughing about Aaden eating the pudding off of himself!! So funny!! Kate did very well with the mess!!

Anonymous said...

Unbelievable... I'm not even done watching and I can't stand it.
1. Could John and Kate sit any farther away from each other? There is definitely tension there.
2. Private swimming lessons for all the kids... How much did that cost!!!!! And did Kate have to scream when Leah was in the water. Good way to stay calm...
3. Kate...when you take the kids to the beach, it's highly likely they are going to have sand on them.
4. It's sad, I actually think Kate is jealous of John's relationship with the kids. He looked like he was having a ball with the kids in the ocean. Yet, she is screaming at him. I would have dragged her into that water and forced her head into the sand for the crabs to eat. Speaking of crabs, she is soooo friggin stupid. How could she think it was the same type of crab you eat.
5. Does anyone think Alexis has an attitude problem? I know kids get tire, but she seems to always have an issue with her temper. I did think Jenny handled it well though.
6. Kate is a freaking wreck, she does not know how to have a good time. She just cannot relax for 5 minutes and have a good time. I feel sorry for her. Life is too short to be so serious all the time.
7. John is really not that attrative.... put the shirt back on buddy.
8. And to say ice cream for only those who do lessons, how poor is that. Just like cupcake gate.

I'm sure I'll be back on with more comments. Question, did anyone else notice the hugh GMC truck in the car port under the house? Do you think that was a car from someone on the crew?

julie said...

Well, that was disappointing (and highly annoying...doesn't Kate ever shut up????). This episode would have at least been tolerable if Kate had: 1. been attacked by the crab 2. been pushed into the pool by Jon 3. had the chocolate pudding dumped over her head.

Whine, whine, whine, you should have been a grape! The kids painted with the pudding OUTSIDE...why can't they do that at home? Is your lawn also a dirt-free zone?

Did anyone else feel like banging their head against the wall?

Anonymous said...

I think it is pretty evident, per this episode, what Kate's primary purpose was while on this 'working vacation'. Clasping her hands while spinning in circles!

Kristee said...

My mouth in on the floor. Aaden(I think) is on the front porch. Kate tells him he'll get lost...and NOT have a mommy anymore?! WTF?? Jenny sleeping in the same bed a Alexis in not ok. The other 2 girls have twin beds and that's where the nanny and Lexi should sleep, Hannah and Leah should share a bed. I turned the show off half way. I can not and will not watch a show where the kids are treated like this. The close up shots of the boys bottoms with their tiny bottoms peeking out...WRONG. What if that were precious lil Hannah's bottom??

Jon and Kate need a huge wake up call. This episode was one of the worst, imo. I'm done..done..done...done. Kate never should have had children, never.

xsandlapper said...

sera said ~ And does Jon not realise how much the water whips and stings when you spray it on your skin at full blast? Lordy be!


It hurt to watch that! That was cruel! What was wrong with using the outside shower?

PuddinPop said...

On this episode of "Jon & Kate Plu$ 8":

Kate's meds finally kick in!

(But I will never rent anything to this woman. She allowed the mess because she "didn't care" as it wasn't her house!)

Anonymous said...

Notice how "sweet" J&K were talking to each other and the kids at the beginning of the episode? And then as soon as she found kids outside of the front door she lost it, then quickly gained her control back while telling Jon there were kids outside?

Also when Leah fell in the pool, it looked like Jon was pissed and wanted to say something to her, but held back. Yeah this is REAL believeable stuff right here TLC. Will the real Jon & Kate please come forward. Nevermind, we already know them and it's not the nicey-nice ones you're trying to pass off on us now.

Kristee said...

Jon did seem like he was enjoying the kids at the beach. I wonder what kind of person he'd be if he weren't married to the Grinch who stole childhood. Yeah, he needs to keep his shirt on, but at least he was in the water, getting wet and sandy and smiling.

Honestly if I were at the beach that day I would have said something to Kate for all her screaming at Jon. I live on the ocean year round and ppl. come here and scream their fool heads off at each other right next to someone who is relaxing and playing with their kids. I would not put up with her disturbing the peace and quiet of people's hard earned vacations.

I would love to hear from some of the bystanders on the beach that day, I'm sure they have some interesting stories to tell.

I need to go to bed now, but shower first. I feel like I've got Kate crap all over me from that episode.

Kristyn said...

Something was just weird about the Aaden/Joel thing on the beach. Aaden saying "Disgusting hands!" and then Joel crying? that was horrible, and I looked at my younger sister (who hasn't read the stuff online so thinks J&K is an innocent show and such) and said "She's brainwashed those kids!" It reminded me of Collin freaking out when he got some dirt on him on the "Boys' Date Out" episode.

And shut up Kate. "Mommy doesn't like messes, so what do you think about this?" What she really means is, "Mommy's been getting bad reviews and is running out of Johnston & Johnston, so what do you think if she lets you have some fun?"

quinn said...

I must admit that I thought Kate did well for the cameras. BUT, did anyone else notice:

During the tups first swimming lesson, camera pans to Joel's (?) little "plumber's crack". Kate can be heard off camera saying something like "I'm just fixing your suit, DON'T BE SCARED". Then she goes over to Joel and pulls up his suit. I wonder if the tup she was helping in the first instance flinched, perhaps expecting a spanking. Just speculation, but I found it odd that she should tell her child not to be scared when she was just pulling up his bathing suit.

No cutsie T-shirts in this one either. IMO, the couch interview was taped fairly recently in response to this blog and other sites. They both looked...odd, and I can't put my finger on it except to say that there was very little emotion and it felt totally scripted. Boring and bland.

Anonymous said...

Well, did anyone else notice the boys had 2 SETS of bunk beds, therefore FOUR total beds?!? Why couldn't Alexis just sleep in one of the bunks with the boys while on vacation and Jenny could then have the room to herself. Oh thats right...boys are icky. Poor Jenny, I'd be pissed!

Anonymous said...

Maybe it is just me, but I had a HUGE problem with that many little children hanging around a pool without life jackets on! I totally get that there were adults and certified swimming instructors present, and they were being taught how to swim. However, the children that were not being attended to in the water by an adult or swimming instructor should have NEVER been allowed to gather around or go near the pool edge without a life jacket on. A parent should NEVER assume that just because there are other adults (ie the camera crew) and capable swimmers present, that those individuals are the eyes that are over seeing your child's safety at all times. It only takes a matter of a nano second for a child to slip off the pool edge or suddenly become brave and jump in the pool. Six four year olds that dont know how to swim and are playing and running around a pool without life jackets is an accident waiting to happen! Regardless of how many 'helpers' are present.

AireZoe said...

Saltwater stings open wounds. High-pressure streams of water hurt, especially the tender skin of kids who have been out in the sun a lot.
Duh!

Anonymous said...

"I would have dragged her into that water and forced her head into the sand for the crabs to eat."

comment of the week!?!LOL

I didnt like how Kate was always yelling at Jon. Does she realize how loud she is? I am glad that I was not there the week that they were. Not enjoyable at all. Poor Jon. Poor kids. Poor cameramen.

Did you notice the previews for next week are over the 4th holiday. I wonder what happened to their family traditions of going home to parades and then to the bbq's at the Carsons on the 4th.

Anonymous said...

i don't see why cara and maddy couldn't have had swim lessons first, then they could have played while the little kids had their lessons- i think kate just likes to frustrate maddy to punish her..."they can't accept when the attention is off of them"

"i think it was more of an estrogen issue" muahahaha oh john that was funny.

Anonymous said...

i hope that was ORGANIC pudding made with ORGANIC milk

Anonymous said...

Just a quick clarification, not that it really matters...but didn't Jenny say she and Alexis were sharing a big room...not a bed? I assumed there was a couch in the "big room" that Alexis was sleeping on.

violet said...

What was up with Mady trying to grab that noodle or whatever from the swim instructor? Does she think that's acceptable? I was glad that she got sent inside.

Anonymous said...

Well, TLC/Figure 8/J&K must be reading GWoP!!!! Talk about a blatant attempt at damage control!!!! For one, Kate saying, "It's their messy day so they can have fun and I won't meltdown." Does KON think we are stupid??!!! How disingenuous. And what was with the close ups of the swimming trunks pulled low with the boys' back ends exposed? I cannot take much more of this.

noteventhetrees said...

Sera: Maybe they show all of the boys bottoms hanging out of their bathing suits so that someone will go ahead and send them (donate) new ones that fit?? ;)

I too wondered about how much the swimming lessons cost. I used to teach swimming and charged $20 per half hour, per child. With 8 kids? Wow. It was only for a couple days though... and that being said, when Kate said something about "I don't think they made much progress"...how much progress were they going to make in a week? Are they all little Michael Phelps' in the making? Obviously not Aaden..he's a rock.

Overall though, I did enjoy the episode. Kate made me laugh with her whole "and that's how we got Aaden", or however that was worded. And I have to say I was proud of her with how she handled the mess...and took Jenny's suggestion (and gave her credit even!!) to let the kids paint each other with the pudding.

Anonymous said...

i love that kate informed aaden that he would get lost and then he wouldn't have a mommy... doesn't she realize how tempting that might be for him!?!?

moi said...

* Ah, a North Carolina multi-level beach house with a private pool, a block from the beach. Isn't that what ALL struggling, begging families of 10 have?

* I'm not sure Kate realizes that Joel didn't pry himself away from her (and onto the swim teacher) because he "knew [Kate] couldn't save him." What little boy can't stand to be held by his own mother??

* Interesting to see that Jon is still Kate's bitch, as she reiterates her hose-unraveling lesson for him as if he's a 4-yr-old. And he does it!

* Kate should take note that a ghost crab isn't a hermit crab, and a dragonfly isn't a firefly

* Joel should not be forced into the water against his will, morons!

* AND, on that topic, did my ears deceive me or did Jon say to sweet little Joel, "I'd rather take one of the little girls, over this girl. Oh. You're a boy." That, plus the forcing him into the water, I'm sorry folks but THAT is abusive behavior.

* To top things off, not only did TLC let that happen but they also allowed a cameraman to zoom in on one of the boys' crack for quite a number of seconds before his pants were pulled up. A class act, there, TLC.

I am not long for this show.

Anonymous said...

Three points that absolutely appalled me.

First, when Jon taunts Joel with the great insult "I thought I was holding a girl" because the child was afraid and crying. The gender stereotypes are so destructive in this family that it is scary.

Second, when Kate declared that she didn't care if they made a mess because it wasn't her house. That home belonged to someone else - but I am sure that Kate doesn't care if Figure 8 lost the security deposit since it wasn't her money. There's no ethical sense that you don't behave like that, regardless of who is paying.

Third, the camera constantly flashed on the house and the private pool -- both of which were enormous. Even if Jon and Kate don't have the sense given to a hermit crab, you would think that their PR people would say that it's tacky (if not sinful) to ask for love offerings from people, many of whom work two jobs to support their families, while the Gosselins are enjoying a vacation paradise.

Shame on you Jon and Kate Gosselin.

Anonymous said...

I lost count of just how many times Kate announced "We are going to get messy." So contrived.

Also, when she was showing the colorful paint and announcing that it just wouldn't do because the pigment wouldn't come off fast enough, I just couldn't help but think, while looking at her pristine white T shirt, how much I wished the kids could just go nuts and finger paint HER! How appropriate it would be for her to have a whitle T shirt with her kids' handprints all over it. Of course, she would hate it and call it ugly. But in normal-world, it would be cute.

Anonymous said...

It seems like in the past the kids used to wear something other than Gymboree at some point in the episode. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did not see one single scene tonight in which the kids were not (all 8 of them)a walking advertisement for Gymboree.

moi said...

I noticed in this episode that Kate is having her makeup professionally done for the couch interviews. No way did she suddenly learn to use a lighter hand and a classier application technique. The blogs get through to TPTB, once again!

Anonymous said...

Why was the ice cold, garden hose nozzle, shower of torture necessary when the beach house has an outdoor shower?

Good Lord, I wouldn't even hose my dog off with that sharp spray.

dixietrixie said...

I'm glad I watched in Tivo time and did not waste an entire hour on tnis farce. Everytime you hear J or K preface something with "we decided", you know a scripted moment is on the way. And what's with the pervy camera person zooming in on the boys' exposed bottoms???

Liz said...

I think it is really typical and shows Kate's stupidity to say they would never make a mess like this in her house. I guess because TLC is renting the place and is responsible what does she care. I did notice her tell Mady to watch the pudding in the pool but She did say a few times not at my house.

mlou said...

I wonder what kind of person he'd be if he weren't married to the Grinch who stole childhood.

I nominate this for comment of the week!

Also, I watched the previews yesterday and in that short segment I saw damage control written all over it. As for me, there isn't enough damage control in world to get me to watch these people again.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Violet, the Mady/Noodle tantrum was handled well.

She was way out of line for acting so immature. I think I might have gone a step further and had her apologize to the teacher or write her a note, or maybe even sit out of the pool for a day. But at least they were quick to remove her from the situation. Good job.

Anonymous said...

When Mady was getting mad about the little kids being in the pool during her swimming lesson. Did I really hear Kate really Say,

"They just hate not being the center of attention"

Classic Kate!! Pot Kettle and so on....

Dew said...

Aaden the professor seemed to be pondering the "might not have a Mommy" prospect just a little too deeply.

grammieof4 said...

Moi said >>>AND, on that topic, did my ears deceive me or did Jon say to sweet little Joel, "I'd rather take one of the little girls, over this girl. Oh. You're a boy." That, plus the forcing him into the water, I'm sorry folks but THAT is abusive behavior.

Yes, Jon said that to Joel, as though being a girl was an insult. Jon also put his hand over Joel's mouth. Then there was the zoom in on his falling trunks, and his parents for the upteenth time making fun of him.

Poor little Joel is so far down in the pecking order, that he couldn't climb to the top even if he suddenly developed claws.

Oh, and Kate made Leah move so Hannah could have the seat she wanted. Hannah, you are the one at the top, and you know it already.

Favoritism is a rule in the Gosselin household.

Anonymous said...

Where do I begin? TLC, as others have said--your attempt at damage control-- just a bandaid at this point. We actually REALIZE how this family operates now.
Zeroing in on the boys' butts--not cute or funny. Kate claiming that she was "happy" to give them a messy day, yeah, right...the leopard is changing her spots? Nice try. They are definitely reading our posts and scampering around to correct things. Even Kate's eyebrows are filled in more! I noticed that right away, after people complained about that. That's comical...they really don't want their contract to dry up. Speaking of dry...Kate could have been in the pool more, enjoying the kids. It was all too phony. When Kate did the pudding painting in school and never forgot it...is that the day that made an indelible "messy" mark on her psyche? They definitely did two things (or attempted to) backwards. One was letting the kids "paint" with chocolate pudding first, then trying to introduce the real paint after...and advising against ingesting it. Go with the real paint first, THEN at the end, use the pudding, and let them taste it. You can't set up one taste-friendly project, then switch and warn about the dangers! Also, why, oh why did they ALL participate in the water training and have two 8 year olds sit there on the sidelines, watching the rest of the crowd? What kid that age wouldn't cry about it? Everyone's in the pool having fun but us! Do J&K have a brain between them? And, yes, that "hosing off" part was difficult to watch. What's wrong with turning the spray so that it's like a "shower", not spraying them like you're powerwashing the side of a building! Kate's ridiculous screeching about the little crab set off a chain reaction of screaming. Can she possibly lead by example? She has so many fears, I guess it's good that Jon enjoys skiing, swimming, sandy beaches, etc...because she would just instill fear into those kids about messes, dirt, sports, everything. She really needs to get herself straightened out in order to successfully parent her kids. How could someone sooooo bossy and controling always be out of control herself?
TLC--time to move on.

sis said...

I thought it was sooooooo ironic that Jon and Kate couldn't find each other in the beach house at the beginning (when she wanted to tell him to keep the doors locked, as children were getting out/escaping).

What will they do in 8000 sq ft? Perhaps that is Jon's plan...no, Kate will make him wear a bell around his neck.

AireZoe said...

Is Jenny under orders to avoid the camera? Never engage anyone during filming? She does a great job of trying to disappear into the background.

Sera said...

SIS SAID: What will they do in 8000 sq ft? Perhaps that is Jon's plan...no, Kate will make him wear a bell around his neck.

You just made me spit water onto my screen - nominate for comment of the week! lol

Serena said...

What kind of an idiot dons a pristine snow-white shirt for a "messy" project?

At least Jenny had the decency to let herself get dirty. And speaking of Jenny, good for her for standing up to Alexis and refusing to let go of that doll until she elicited a promise from Alexis. I wonder if Kate lets her establish her own dynamics with the kids or if she is forever correcting her?

What kind of an idiot uses a power spray up close on tender 4-year-old skin? With freezing cold water?

What kind of idiots make their 8-year-old twins sit and watch forever while their 4-year-old siblings get swimming lessons, but let the 4-year-old siblings stay in the pool and expect the 8-year-old twins to squeeze around them for their own lessons?

Did Kate ever stick one toe in the ocean? Or did she just stand there shrieking at Jon? Did she ever stick one toe in the pool? Why did she even bother wearing a swimming suit?

How many times did Kate say, "Yeah, good luck with the boys. They totally suck."?

elleroy said...

Oh Lordy be the damage control! It was killing Kate to let those kids paint but "wasn't I brave?"
Yeah, Kate, you're a brave soul...heh..."I've come a lot farther, haven't I? Scott? Mike? Huh? Guys?
I'm better, right??" Yeah, the disturbed look on your face and the statement "the kids will have fun. I. will. not." says it all.

WTF camera crew??!! Why the lingering shots of the boys' plumbers cracks? They are little boys. It happens. Are you trying to humiliate them? If so, you're some sick MoFo's. That really made me mad. Poor kids. One more thing - Kate's at the beach with her kids and won't so much as sit and play in the sand with them. She didn't go in the water with them. She stood there like a drill seargant overseeing the proceedings. So very sad for those kids.
"I don't prefer sand". Bitch.

Kristee said...

I must have heard Kate wrong...she didn't actually tell her children that if they ate their paint, they would die??

I hope these two freaks of nature are saving lots and lots of money. The future bills for therapy on these poor children are going to be huge! I could picture J $ K asking for help paying for that too though. Kate's excuse would be "Well, everyone saw us raising our kids are doing a shitty job at it, no one stopped us," "now it's society's job to straighten them out!!"

elleroy said...

merryway said:
Kate doesn't have any reason to "very well lose her mind" anymore.

You're so right. More like
"Today I may very well lose my integrity."

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else feel like banging their head against the wall?

I felt like banging Kate's head against a wall. I had the same thought you did about the pool - push her in.

elleroy said...

I'd like to nominate Kristee's comment for next week's comment of the week:

I wonder what kind of person he'd be if he weren't married to the Grinch who stole childhood.

Liz said...

Another form of damage control: I'm letting them wear old bathing suits to paint that we will soon donate. More like sell them

Anonymous said...

Serena kept asking above "what kind of idiot(s)" I know it's rhetorical, but I just have to say two egotistical, moronic, self-centered...oh, you guys know! You watch this show!

Fidelia said...

I grew up a Catholic, went to Catholic schools, religious training.....Therefore, purgatory was taught to me but it was an alien concept until now. I think I just sat through 1 hour of purgatory.

I hated everything about the show. I am terrified of spiders. Therefore, the crab was just one gigantic, creep-crawly, hairy spider that scampered away to the threats to eat it from another gigantic, scary, thing with a similar hair style.

The pudding fiasco was just plain idiotic and a perfectly transparent attempt by Mother Goose PR firm to squelch Kate's demonic persecution of her children when they get dirty. More purgatory.

Alexis is showing aggressive behavior, I think, much like that of Mady a few years back. I hope they will give her the attention that she needs on this issue. She needs a "look-see," I think. Fat chance.

And seeing a close up of darling Joel's bum....that purgatory thing again.

I hate it when I get cranky like this. Bless me Father....

Fidelia

sis said...

Two thoughts:

1. You can lead a twin to water but you won't let her swim.

2. You can lead a twit to water but you won't push her in.

The first one was waste of the twins' time. They could have been down on the beach with Jenny or doing something other than getting hot and impatient, leading to the inevitable meltdown.

The second was just a waste of a perfectly good opportunity.

J.L. said...

How's this?
"Instead of just one more, we got six!. And today, with free counseling and therapy, I could very well FIND my mind!"

K.C. said...

I want to make a comment about the way Kate reacted when Leah jumped in the pool. I'm sure other people on this blog have been in that situation, I have. My 3 year old daughter and I were visiting with my mother out by the pool at her house when my daughter jumped in the water. I was in the pool, (fully dressed), pulling her up in less time than it took Kate, (who was already wearing a bathing suit), to yell Leah's name to Jon. IMO Kate's reaction was very telling.

IMO The messy day activity-or whatever they called it--seemed scripted. I don't buy it. Painting with pudding was not Kate's idea. They could at least be a bit more subtle with the DAMAGE CONTROL. Those poor children must feel utterly confused.

Anonymous said...

But instead of just one more--we got six! And today, I could very well lose my contract! That's why we are now focusing on damage control.

Anonymous said...

Someone, anyone, please tell me that one of the closing credits read: Damage Control by Jen Stocks.

I can't even muster the snark to say, "Nice try, Jen!" because seriously? She's just putting lipstick on The Pig.

mlou said...

I seriously hope Paul Peterson has been watching this show closely. Shots of the boys' cracks, blatent verbal abuse, spraying 4 year olds with a high pressure hose, these are all clear signs of abuse. If this does not cause people to take notice, then I'm afraid nothing will.

Jen said...

I normally have my DVR running, but we are waiting on a new one. Am I crazy, and maybe someone can verify it, but did they omit the "helloooooo!!!" in the opening of the show? I was looking down at my computer and listening and I could have sworn that they took that out.

Anonymous said...

I thought Kate said she let them get messy in old bathing suits she was willing to "donate to the cause" meaning the "mess."

By the way, those bathing sits looked pretty nice and new compared to any my kids ever had when they were tots.

I had to laugh when they covered everything in plastic to protect the kiddie tables from the pudding. Um, the tables could have been quickly hosed off too. But no biggie...but then, they rolled up the big drop cloths and my husband laughed, "Oh, those will take up a lot of landfil space and I bet next week they will do a show on how "GREEN" they are." I laughed and told him they already did that show, thinking back to the twins making recycling bins with Sarah Snow. I know, I know, it's vacation and it's hard to be environmentally concious when you are on vacation. It was just a little over the top to have to protect outdoor plastic kiddie tables from pudding.

When Leah slipped in and Kate yelled, I was glad Jon was quick to grab her. But Kate, I thought, was doing all she could to keep from calling the whole pool thing off for the rest of the week. I really got the feeling she was biting her tongue. I felt for her a little. I'm glad she didn't over do it. (Just wait til they DRIVE, Kate! lol)

As far as the "plumber's crack" the comment was tacky, the first shot of it was tacky. The second butt shot was just nasty. They are getting kind of big for this. I don't think they would have shown Mady or Cara's butt cracks at age 4 but the sextuplets are being "kept little" and it's just inappropriate.

Canadian Kate said...

I agree about the comment Jon made about holding a girl when he was holding Joel. That was horrible. Just unforgivable. An insult to his girls and to his son.

But I thought the butt cracks were cute and not inappropriate. These kids are still really small. Innocent stuff.

And private lessons for 8 kids probably cost about the same as registration fees for regular classes would have been. Plus, they'd have to evaluate them to place them in the right class, hang around the pool for hours waiting for the classes to start, get them to and from the public pool -- so even without the production considerations, private makes sense.

Dew said...

Here kids, watch eight other kids have an absolute blast in the cool pool with cool swim teachers and fun games while you bake in the heat like little chicken tenders on the sidelines. Oh, you whimpered? You don't like this? Go to your room you ungrateful little brats!

I have a sneaking suspicion Kate set the twins up.

Canadian Kate said...

PS - I forgot to mention, YES!! I saw that moment where Hannah got to choose where she would sit, and everyone else had to move. What was that about?!

Anonymous said...

My husband, who's never sat through an entire episode, (I think he's afraid of Kate)kept asking, "why don't they like Joel?"

Anonymous said...

i love that kate informed aaden that he would get lost and then he wouldn't have a mommy... doesn't she realize how tempting that might be for him!?!?

comment of the week, please! This made me laugh out loud :-)

Anonymous said...

In defense of Kate (Did I really say that?) and not jumping in after Leah, she may have hesitated because she was miked or because, as Jon pointed out, she can't swim, or because she panicked a bit. After all, she doesn't have a pool (yet). And Jon really was right there and had Leah up in a split second, he just reacted and I feel he was quicker than Kate could have been. Just my opinion, of course.

That said, Kate does not seem comfortable around the water and if they are getting a house with a pool I sincerely hope she takes adult swimming classes and lifeguarding.

Now that I think of it...I wonder if she is keeping her CPR up to date. I would hope so.

Jackie said...

Did anyone notice when Kate said to Leah that she wanted to see how big her foot was compared to hers, when she picked Leah up, Leah kicked and let out a whimper?

And also, I think it was Leah or Alexis (its kind of hard to tell them apart from me), when they had the booboo on their hand and they rinsed it off in saltwater made me want to cry. I've gotten small cuts on the beach before and have 'rinsed them off' in saltwater, and it is truly painful (I did this when I was really little---Mom got Neosporin and bandaids after). I felt for that kid. Poor kid.

The meltdown at the pool was not cool at all. How can you expect them to not want to get into the pool? Thats so rude. That made me want to scream at the TV screen.

Also---the shots on Joel's bottom---was not cool at all. =( Very sad. Joel will be very embarrassed someday seeing that on film when he's in his teenage or adult years.

Also, who thought it was very rude to hose the kids off with that jet of water like that? I did! That jet of water is for washing birdbaths off if they get dirty, not kids.

annabandana said...

Two thoughts:

1. You can lead a twin to water but you won't let her swim.

2. You can lead a twit to water but you won't push her in.

The first one was waste of the twins' time. They could have been down on the beach with Jenny or doing something other than getting hot and impatient, leading to the inevitable meltdown.

The second was just a waste of a perfectly good opportunity.
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I'm sorry to all of the other great comments tonight and those yet to be made, THIS ONE is hands down the funniest thing I've ever read!!!

I nominate it for comment of the week!

(sorry I forgot to paste the comment in last time!) oopsies!

Sera said...

SIS SAID:
1. You can lead a twin to water but you won't let her swim.

2. You can lead a twit to water but you won't push her in.


Sis, you are on a roll, another screen-wetter and another nomination for comment of the week - hilarious! lmao

sis said...

Kate, Kate, Kate (and Jon, Jon, Jon), don't you see that we really are pulling for you here? Hoping against hope that you get it together and do what's best for your kids? Some of my remarks have been flippant, but come on--this episode had a huge target on it. You know that, TLC knows that.

You know, it really would have been a refreshing change to see you ENJOY yourself. You don't come across as ever having any fun with your family. You say "Isn't this fun!" but it's always tinged with sarcasm, and tonight it was just plain forced. That is really sad. All of these beautiful, healthy kids, and you seem too scared to enjoy them. Most of us recognize that excessive control is a response to some kind of fear. The tups are 4 now, and every age will have its challenges, stuff you will never be able to control no matter how hard you try.

I was feeling like I was getting a bit too catty when I said that you should have been pushed into the pool. But think about it: how fun it would have been for us viewers to see you jump in and playfully (not spitefully) retaliate, forgetting about your hair and make-up, showing you and Jon frolicking and splashing each other and LAUGHING together, not screaming. Your kids would see that Mommy was having fun in the water and they could too. Maybe the boys wouldn't have been so afraid if Mommy didn't act like the water was "icky".

There are 8 very good reasons why I don't want you to fail. Start being honest about your life, and maybe you won't have to spend so much time scheming and covering your butts that you will have time to have fun. Your children are beginning to live by example. Keep an open mind and hopefully realize, as many on the internet have, that 8 beautiful children are going to inherit everything you are setting before them. And I am not talking money or things.

Nettey said...

Liz said...
Another form of damage control: I'm letting them wear old bathing suits to paint that we will soon donate. More like sell them


But she didn't really say she'd donate them. She said "she was willing to donate them to the cause." The "cause" being getting messy.

adri said...

"And today I could very well lose my..."

Love offerings
Free Juicy Juice
Matching Gymboree outfits

If Jon were to say that line in the opening:

"And today I could very well lose my..."

Hair plugs
Balls (oh, wait...)
Gym membership

I have't watched the recent episodes, and from what I'm reading, I am so thankful for MNF.

Sera said...

OK, I just watched the hosing-off part again and seriously, it's really bad. Jon even says that there was "lots of pressure" in the hose and that "it didn't hurt that much, I tested it on my own skin." But if you watch, the kids are flinching and trying to get away, and they have the sound really low from the scene and very loud from the voice-over, because THE KIDS ARE CRYING AND SCREAMING. They weren't crying because they were being washed, they were crying because it hurt. It was painful.

That hose was on full power and it was cold water. That stings. Those poor children And Jon seemed to enjoy it!

I think Kate said she didn't want to use the nice outside shower because the kids would touch "it," it, I'm assuming, being the walls, but hello, you can watch the walls with lots of force and no one will cry! Idiots!

Anonymous said...

This show was a child molestors dream come true, come on people wake up. Where are the people meant to keep these kids safe from harm. Oh ya its the people showing thier kids ass on TV for millions to see.

I so agree, they would never do that to thier darling Hannah! Makes me want to be a vomitis girl.

Anonymous said...

OMG this was total damage control.... Kate is getting it that the rest of the world thinks she is OCD about these children getting dirty and ratings are dropping off, which means the show will be canceled if she doesn't change the opinion of her, that is spreading like wild fire. The house they stopped to look at was over a million dollar horse farm in Hanover NC. The agents signed confidentiality agreements and were not told who the buyers were but wanted over a million dollar property with land. I wonder if they tell people that at the speaking engagements, before their love offerings? Please don't support this scam when there are so many really needy families out there who aren't shopping for million dollar homes! If they can prequalify to purchase a home of that price I think they have gotten enough off of the backs of these children, don't you? It is just too late for damage control Kate the public is on to you. What will Kate do when the show is canceled? Oh no, get jobs to raise their own kids...

ps
Alexis and Mady are out of control... I really feel sorry for Cara.

Laura said...

Kate is such a shrew!

J&K were doing the couch interview and they were talking about giving the boys swimming lessons and Kate's comments was "good luck with that."

Kate is shaming her boys on national television. I just have to shake my head...it's just a shame. Why don't they just go to a circus, put their kids on display and request donations. It's just about the same thing.

Kate is just a piece of work.

mlou said...

Canadian Kate said:
"But I thought the butt cracks were cute and not inappropriate. These kids are still really small. Innocent stuff."

Are you kidding? This is what child molestors live for!

beachluvin said...

Did anyone else notice how long Kate's nails are? Are these the well manicured fingernails of a hardworking mother of 8! How about that body language on the couch? When Kate would look at Jon while he was talking, she almost had to turn her head 180 degrees just to look at him.
I like how Kate blames Jon for Leah's mishap in the pool while she just stands there with her mouth open.
And what is that ugly tattoo on Jon's back/shoulder? Did Kate go in the pool once? The other thing is, I never notice any of the kids having sunscreen applied, they must not have a sponsor for it.

green said...

This show was not only about the damage control but it has become completely fake and predictable. Jon and Kate are “acting” in a documentary about their life and they are not doing a very good or believable job. Their true colors show through.

Poor Joel, showing his butt crack, the “digusting hands” comment and his reaction to it, and “I’ll take a girl over this girl”. Is Joel now the Mady of the boys? This sweet little boy can’t catch a break in this family. Every time they belittle him or laugh at him that song “Cat’s in the Cradle” starts running through my mind.

Other moments that stood out to me. . .

Alexis’ behavior reminds me of Mady’s when she was younger, maybe she has low blood sugar too.

Kate: Jenny was lucky to have Alexis as a roommate.

Kate: Don’t go out doors that’s how you get lost and you don’t get a mommy anymore.

Aaden: The sands not letting me go!

Kate: Joel, nice plummer’s crack. Ha ha ha!

Kate: Good luck with the boys, that’s all I have to say.

Jon: The boys know their place in life.

Kate: What would I do if I didn’t care? (Answer: Have a pudding and body paint “messy play day” at someone else’s house)

Joel: I’m messy.

Collin didn’t have to say much, he was just awesome being himself.

Kate: I’m not dirty and I didn’t melt down. It’s a good day.

Kate: It was the boy’s turn next. Good luck with that.

Kate: Ice cream for kids who did good swimming.

Kate: Leah, Hannah sits here.

Please stop showing any of the children changing.

sis said...

Hey Everyone,

I just read my last post and want to stress that in no way did I mean to imply that I speak for anyone else but me. I should have proof-read before posting (lesson learned) as it could be taken that way. Sorry! I certainly should have prefaced many sentences with IMO.

Sis

sabrinasmom said...

Kudos to Cascade and Proctor Gamble for not allowing themselves to be affiliated with this show.

Anonymous said...

i thought it was funny that kate would never do this at her house, but she didn't have a problem doing this as someone else's house

(pudding painting)

AmandaT said...

A lot of being a parent is knowing your child, and knowing what sort of situations will lead to misbehaving. The whole swimming lesson thing was ridiculous. They could have had some activities to do on those little plastic benches while they were waiting to go into the pool - not very difficult.
This episode was a terribly unsuccessful attempt at damage control. Only the "sheeple" are going to buy it. It was so obviously staged and forced. I just wanted to yell at Kate, "Stop giving kids things and telling them it will make them sick and die." Really, find a new line. Nice way to scar poor sweet little Joel, too. Force him into the water and call him a girl (hey, kill 6 birds with one stone - insult Joel and put down all of the girls, nice!).
It's just getting worse and worse. Honestly, the only reason I watch anymore is so I know which sponsors to boycott.

Quinn said...

This show is not the same show that we first started watching a couple of seasons ago. A friend of mine said the other day about J&K "oh I stopped tivo-ing that a while ago, I just don't really like it anymore". I think that has probably happened with a lot of former viewers. It used to be entertaining to watch their everyday things happening and then I think it all changed when they replaced that hideous green carpet. Is it me or was that the turning point? Now they're just rolling in the dough, hairplugs, family helpers, vacations, and Crocs. And the damage control that is going on...pathetic! I mean to have a planned "messy" day or whatever that was. How staged! What's next, Kon renewing their wedding vows? Oh wait...
And then when Kate said something about "there will always be more kids than adults..." I was thinking well, yeah as long as you keep burning bridges. And could Jenny be any less enthusiastic? I'm not knocking her it's just kinda funny. She'll be off the show in two more episodes, that's my prediction.

Quinn said...

oh and enough with the bibs already! my child stopped wearing bibs around her second birthday and that was pushing it. well, maybe the bib company is a sponsor i suppose...

merryway said...

Anonymous said...
But instead of just one more--we got six! And today, I could very well lose my contract! That's why we are now focusing on damage control.
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OMG you guys are making me laugh sooo hard with these new show openings. I'd like to nominate this one for the comment of the week. (If I may). They are all funny and making my late night work a lot more enjoyable.

I also think the water spraying was cruel. That water was cold and sharp and like another poster said, I wouldn't even think of doing my dogs that way. It hurts and it was obvious that it too much for the little ones.

Yep, it would be nice to see Kate play with her kids and actually enjoy them. She's just the supervisor.

balletbrat said...

I didn't get that bad of a vibe from this episode like do many others did.

My disgust with J&K are the lies, collecting love offerings, and cutting Jodi and others out of the picture, etc. I don't think they are abusive parents. I find myself laughing a lot at J&K.

mlou said...

RE:oh and enough with the bibs already! my child stopped wearing bibs around her second birthday and that was pushing it. well, maybe the bib company is a sponsor i suppose...

As a matter of fact, a bib company is one of their sponsors.lol

Team_Collin said...

I really don't like sticking up for Jon but he said hose spray was not too much pressure. He felt it himself. I rewatched this on my tv and Collin the first to go up did not flinch at all. He was laughing in fact! In my experience with 4 year olds they do not like water being poured on them at all so maybe it wasn't the pressure that was hurting. With the production these last few episodes I am sure they would have shown the kids saying that it hurt.

Don't get me wrong I am in no way supporting Jon or his parenting and I realize Kate should have let them use the shower. I just don't think it hurt the children.

Anonymous said...

Jenny seems about as good with children as Kate does. Standing around twirling your hair, sitting on your butt, and speaking with a total lack of emotion and expression does not constitute high quality childcare to me (I'm a professional nanny as well).

I feel awful for the kids. I've watched the show from the beginning and it's sickening to see how selfish Jon and Kate have become.

Anonymous said...

I think the water being cold bothered the children more then the water pressure from the hose. It didn't bother Collin that much because he was first and the water was warm. I remember when I was a kid and I turned the hose on in the summer it started off warm because the sun warmed the water that was in the hose. After a little while it gets very cold. We use to play a game to see who could stand under the cold water from the hose the longest, and that was without any water pressure. You could hear Mady saying "cold cold cold" If I was them and I knew I was going to be washed off with a hose like that I wouldn't have painted myself.

mlou said...

Instead of just one more, we got six! Although our life is a scam, I could very well take your money!

Anonymous said...

I have been reading this blog for a couple of weeks now and this is my first post. I like most of you loved watching it in the beginning. Now after reading the blog and after watching this episode I'm going to have to agree with many things that others have said. The things that made me upset was the fact that:

1) Kate always dissing the boys during their swimming lessons.

I'm a 1st grade teacher and former camp counselor. I wasn't a certified lifeguard but I had to be in the pool with my campers all the time. The lifeguards would be in charge of the lessons and I was there to help. In some cases children are just afraid of the water whether it be boys or girls. The swim teachers were correct with what they should be comfortable doing being 4 years old. If you noticed by the 2nd or 3rd day, Collin was almost like a fish. Aaden seemed to start enjoying it but sweet Joel was terrified. It makes complete sense because he doesn't trust his parents. i.e. Jon putting hand over his mouth and calling him a girl. He seemed to do much better with a "complete stranger" than those who love him. Being a counselor I had to make sure they enjoyed the water and encourage them to try other aspects of not being afraid of the water. I feel he is so traumatized already that he is afraid to do almost anything.

2)Jenny seems really sweet and is to afraid to "disobey" Kate. She looked scared of her when they were on the beach. It has to be hard on Jenny working for them. It is hard to know when Kate will snap at anytime. I did like the fact that she didn't mind getting dirty. I did that with my campers and students all the time. I don't like to get messy but if it is for the kids I would do it.

3)Kate just seemed like a drill instructor. The kids can already pick up that she doesn't even enjoy going in the water with them or have any kind of fun with them.
When I was younger my mom would always go in the water when my brother and I were learning to swim. Granted she didn't like getting her hair wet but she was in there having fun with us.

4) Macaroni and Cheese for lunch?? Are there organic ones??

5) Showing the boys behinds isn't appropriate at this age.

6)Bribing the kids with ice cream for a good lesson isn't smart either hopefully it was organic ice cream.

7)Did you hear Kate say "Move away from all of the people" when they just got to the beach.

8)Why didn't Kate have pudding on her? The kids would have had so much fun doing painting mom and dad. I wonder if they asked them and they both said no. If so how sad is that.

9)Bibs???? They are 4 years old already time to get rid of them sponsor or not.

I like many bloggers have said would love to watch a yearly episode but not weekly. Jon and Kate are seriously doing a disservice to their children and they will have serious problems when they get older. I hope the children will be able to have loving and caring teachers and will realize what their parents have done to them.

I believe that when the kids see this as they get older they will resent their parents. Hopefully Aunt Jodi and Beth will be their for the kids if they need them. I'm sure they would be willing to help.

This is a great site.You are letting people know what is the best thing for the children. I hope the show will end soon.

Anonymous said...

"First, when Jon taunts Joel with the great insult "I thought I was holding a girl" because the child was afraid and crying. The gender stereotypes are so destructive in this family that it is scary."
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I missed this part. Did Jon really say this??!! It is clear that little Joel has become the family scapegoat. Instead of dealing with their own psychological baggage and problems, KON is projecting everything on to Joel. And what's with that camera crew? Have they no shame? I wonder if any of them have kids of their own. Would they want them on film the way the Gosselin boys were in this episode?

Ravello said...

There was a lot of damage control but they continue with the Joel bashing and the boy bashing.

Kate made a sick comment to Aiden about becoming a lost child. I'm guessing she says things like this a lot based on an earlier episode.
I remembered Collins' fearful comment on his special day out, he is holding Jon's hand and is worried he will get lost.
I'll bet kate threatens the kids with abandonment , oh what a loving mother she is.

Looks like they are squeezing lots of episodes out of the NC trip, next week 4th of July at the beach. Of course, they dont have Beth and Bob , Jodi and others anymore so they cannot do the hometown 4th with friends and family.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice how, during the puddling painting, Kate complimented each girl in turn and none of the boys?

My kids are the same ages as the Gosselins (dd age 7 and twin boys age 4). Yesterday, we went to the beach and my daughter was out riding her boogie board on large waves and my boys swam around near the edge. I don't know why Jon would have needed to hold all their hands, esp. Cara and Mady's!

And did anyone else notice how cute Jenny was in her white bikini? Watch out, Kate....

Anonymous said...

Just when I thought Jon/Kate couldn't possibly sink any lower in the way they treat the boy tups (especially poor Joel) they go and show an episode like last night. Did you see the way Kate passed poor Joel off to the swim instructor, I literally thought she was going to dislocate his shoulder. And how could parents make such horrible remarks of the child. Also the comment Jon made with Joel "yes I'll take another girl (smirk) - oh you're a boy". Could they show their distain for the boys anymore.
Also - what is up with Alexis? In a prior episode she is shown hitting Jenny and in this episode she's really acting out and the whole hitting Aiden with the doll and when Jenny tried to correct her?? Can't Kate she what she's doing to these kids?
Oh - the comment I loved was when Kate was making a remark about Maddie and Cara's behavior about the swim lessons and she sent them into the house, Kate: "They can't accept it when the attention is taken off them" - uh, Pot to Kettle, hello!!
What these two will do for the almighty dollar. Haven't they sold their children out for enough?
I did find it funny that with all the freebies Kate is wearing the same bathing suit as the one worn at WDW, just for what it's worth.
These people make me sick and the children are paying the price for the parents GREED.

Anonymous said...

I don't think this was a bad show. I read through another link that was posted on here--I think in the thread "Truth about the Move" that the cameras were only there for the first week and then the family was on their own the second week.

Also, I am not a fan of Jon or Kate but to say this episode was all about damage control because of they are reading this blog is not that accurate. They were in NC over the 4th of July (at least it looks like it per next weeks previews). These events happened almost two months ago!! They may have taken some of our comments to heart but the most recent comments/posts could not have impacted KON's behavior on this trip. Perhaps, just perhaps Kate is mellowing out.

5monkeys said...

but I did not see one single scene tonight in which the kids were not (all 8 of them)a walking advertisement for Gymboree.

The beach swimsuits the girls were wearing were Gymboree. I think the boys' too, but I'm not sure.

5monkeys said...

I fell asleep half way through the show (I wasn't feeling well, and watched it in bed), and I can't remember what I saw last. I think they were doing the pudding painting.

I do remember seeing Jenny and Alexis' tug of war with that doll, and I thought that Alexis has no respect for Jenny whatsoever.

The beach scene was typical ~ Ignorant Kate standing around barking orders, being paranoid about the kids getting dirty (duh, they are on a beach surrounded by SAND), and the little crab thing. She screamed when it got loose. It was a tiny little crab, not an 8ft snake.

I don't know why she couldn't just sit down, relax, and enjoy the beach. But no, she can't enjoy anything because she is too busy trying to control what everyone else is doing.

And when Mady got sent inside when they were in the pool ~ Jon went in after her, and I can tell by the way he was walking that he was angry. (walked fast, kinda hunched down).

Anonymous said...

Was it just me or did anyone else notice during the couch interview how J&K both sort of stuttered when talking about 'why' they decided to do the swim lessons? Something about being safe or ??? One mentioned one reason while the other interjected with something else. All I could think was: DUH!!! Why not mention the pool at your new 8000 sq ft mansion?? How many pools would these kids otherwise come into contact with in PA-the grand state of 'nothing but silos"?
Damage control? That should have been the title of the episode. I read this article yesterday (http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=ff45e8d24b1a50d05978802f9ac1c8f0)and a couple of things jumped out at me.
1."He recently started working at home as a web developer"
I used to be in sales and marketing and the best advertising for his newfound career would be to reformat and update his own website. Maybe the writer meant COBweb developer??
2."In online communities, Kate’s parenting and marital tactics are dissected so intensely you’d think she was running for president. “You just get to the point where you don’t pay attention,” Kate says. “You don’t read, you don’t watch, you don’t care, really."
Excuse me? Fib or Lie?? If you don't read what's being said then how do you know to post comments on IMDB.com (as late as 8/8) or know to have comments removed from the triplet website because they are being brought up by others to show your deceptions now?
3."Over the years they’ve been doing the show, Jon and Kate say the production crew has become part of the family."
That's a good thing since there aren't any blood relatives left in their lives.
4."They’ve been offered a new season, but haven’t officially signed on."
HUH?? Officially, meaning the lawyers haven't gone over the contracts yet? Officially, meaning they are holding out for more $$?
I started to watch the episode that followed, the Hair Transplant trip, as I'd never seen the beginning where the kids were so sick and J&K were leaving anyway. Two reactions: Appalled at them for leaving.They couldn't reschedule? I bet if they called that clinic and told them the children were all sick they would have been happy to reschedule. Although obviously production schedule took prescedence over children's welfare. That was sickening! I don't know a single person with kids who would have gone ahead and left.The other thing was how sweet Aunt Jodi was with Joel(?) holding him and comforting him. So? She doesn't like vomit but she stood there and held the pan for him and didn't make snide belittling comments to him. That will definitely be a light bulb moment for those kids when they grow up and see their mom putting them on the laundry room floor when they were sick and Aunt Jodi hugging and holding. Course, that's contingent upon them being able to get the original episodes as opposed to the watered down re-editted ones.
What is wrong with those people??
Lisa

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with everything said! I used to watch this show because the kids were so cute and I thought it was interesting to see their day to day lives. I was even thinking of donating to them! Thankfully I didn't, because I don't know about everyone else that donated but I don't live in a 2 million dollar house and go on vacation every week.
Last night's episode was crazy. Showing the girls changing, they're not babies anymore, that shouldn't be shown. Joel's butt crack? Come on, twice!! These kids have emotional problems and it is just going to get worse. Everything they do, they do with a camera in front of their face. They are constantly being told to do something for the camera. What happens when the cameras are gone??

julie said...

Another new opening for the show:

It started out with just the two of us, but it wasn't any fun because we actually had to work to pay for things we wanted. we thought about a tv show, but the only show for newlyweds was Nick and Jessica...we needed a gimmick.

Then we had the twins, Cara and Madelyn, but everybody and their dog has twins, so what's interesting about that? Besides, with just the two of them, there was too much attention being paid to them, and that's unhealthy.

We tried again for "just one more" and ended up with six, which made us a national phenomenon and made Kate look like the world's neatest, more organized, most OCD mother of two sets of multiples.

And while we will use the excuse that having two sets of multiples doesn't always bring out the best in us...JON!!!!! HELLOOOOOO!!!!!!!...we are a family, a family of 5 girls, 2 boys, and one "boy" that we will ridicule and pretend he's a girl, thus scarring him for life (but we're open to offers of free therapy for him).

It may be a crazy life, but it's our life and our gravy boat, so either stand with us or stand against us...but we're getting all the money and freebies...so na na na na boo boo!

Travis said...

The gender stereotypes also drive me nuts. Are there not 4 bunks in the boys' room? Alexis could sleep in there with them. Or, if they're not old enough to sleep on top put those mattresses on the floor. There are simple solutions to everything that escape these oafs week after week. They think they're being "funny" but I don't think they have two brain cells between them!

Anonymous said...

Not only did they have plumber's crack shots, but they showed the girls changing, and there was more shown then I would have liked to see. And it was Hannah I believe.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice the time and care Kate used to explain "the rules' of pudding painting? Why in the world didn't they place that much emphasis on the rules of the house(and leaving without permission),the pool and the beach?It seems to me half of their shreeking would be avoided if they set those rules and used time-outs as a deterrent!!Oh, no, I forgot we're talking about the disfunctional moneygrubbers!

Not "THE" Beth said...

Someone said, "Shots of the boys' cracks, blatent verbal abuse, spraying 4 year olds with a high pressure hose, these are all clear signs of abuse."

As uncomfortable as they are to watch, they really aren't. I'm a foster parent and see a ton of neglect and abuse cases. What we see doesn't even come close to the legal standards for abuse.

Mimi said...

Why would anyone (Jen Stocks) think that showing a 4 year old's bottom on national television is cute to anyone but a child molester. And if I recall correctly, it was not once but twice -- just in case viewers missed it the first time. Although I don't remember who it was that was shown my guess is that it was Joel since his role seems to be "family joke".

I hope there's money left at some point in the future for Joel's therapy.

~P said...

Or, if they're not old enough to sleep on top put those mattresses on the floor.

It drives me nuts that they won't let any of the FOUR YEAR OLDS sleep on the top bunk. My son is 3 1/2 and has been in his very tall top bunk for a year now. He's never fallen/climbed out. I can't stand how they treat those kids like infants!

Anonymous said...

Didn't we see Cara and Mady swimming in Beth's pool last 4th of July? Why do they need lessons, anyway? It was nice to see the swim teachers be so kind and lovely to Joel - his little face just lit up when they played with him.

~P said...

anonymous said- I so agree, they would never do that to their darling Hannah! Makes me want to be a vomitous girl.

Comment of the week please!

Anonymous said...

Is it just me or did they change the Intro to the show and now they aren't mentioning "how they got" the multiplies. I could have sworn that they went into more detail just as recently as earlier this year. I'm wondering if it's because of everyone expressing interest in how she could have conned a doctor into the hormone/IUI. Anyone else notice the intro change?
Thanks

Anonymous said...

I saw the creepy gray haired guy on the beach. So he has been on the plane to Utah, at church and on the beach. Who is he and why does he go everywhere with them? It is weird that they have introduced everyone else, the camera guys, sounds guys, Jen the producer but he just seems to be trying to hide in the background.

Anonymous said...

In all seriousness, what is the big deal about the little kids going first for swim lessons? Either way someone had to wait. Either way someone was in the pool having fun while someone wasn't. I think Mady and Cara are way too old to carry on like that. I don't buy into the you are older so you get everything first stuff in my house. My children take turns. Sometimes the younger ones get to do something first, sometimes the older ones. I see that as learning how a family works not as treating any of them unfairly.

Anonymous said...

To one of the anon. poster regarding Gymboree - actually the kiddos were in fact, once again, walking Gymbo billboards. At least 3 of their outfits from this episode were from Gymboree. The sundresses on the girls - 2 different ones. Plus the floral bathing suits were Gymboree. I think the only clothes that weren't Gymbo were the "old" ones that Kate allowed to get dirty with pudding. Probably not name brand and therefore she wouldn't make out at the consignment shop at the end of the season.

sistah2 said...

Anon said..
"Also, I am not a fan of Jon or Kate but to say this episode was all about damage control because of they are reading this blog is not that accurate. They were in NC over the 4th of July (at least it looks like it per next weeks previews). These events happened almost two months ago!! They may have taken some of our comments to heart but the most recent comments/posts could not have impacted KON's behavior on this trip. Perhaps, just perhaps Kate is mellowing out"

I dont think so. A lot of these opinions have been posted for months, if not a years. This blog and others did not just start last week. The criticism has increased lately, though.

also, I agree w.above poster that it was silly to have Jon hold hands in the ocean. I guess they just have not spent much time at beaches at all! Kids that age do not have to hold hands, or even wear bulky life jackets, even when the currents are strong. they were only wading in 2 inch water! Kate SHOULD have been there with them, even Jenny. Ironic they had to wear the vests on the beach but were running around the pool edge with no vests on - more dangerous situation IMO.

How sad that Jenny was the one putting all the kids suits on. Mom no where in sight. All that stuff is below her now. Kids are so yucky unless they are making you a buck.

Anonymous said...

i thought it was funny that kate would never do this at her house, but she didn't have a problem doing this as someone else's house

(pudding painting)


I took this as it wouldn't go well at our home but, here with a pool area to easily hose off and outdoor showers etc it is something I'll give a try. I don't think she meant oh, they can trash this place and it's ok or anything.

kgirl said...

I agree with most posters Alexis sleeping with the nany is completely inappropraite. In the boys room there are 4 beds and they pulled one matress off the top bunk and put it on the floor, why not take the other and put it on the floor in the girls room? If she can't sleep with the girls than I am sorry but she needs to go and sleep with the parents. Why is it not ok for her to sleep in a room with her 4 yr old brothers, but it is ok for her to sleep in a room with a 20 something hired helper? I am not trying to say anything bad about Jenny, but in this day and age you can't 100% trust ANYBODY and to allow your child to sleep with an adult is A LOT more wrong than allowing her to sleep with her brothers or distrub her sisters' sleep for a few nights...or god forbid the parents.

Jon looked like he was having a great time with the kids on the beach, nice to see at least one of these parents can enjoy their kids. I am sure raising 8 children can be difficult, but I think being a screaming shrew all the time makes it even more difficult than it would be to sit down in the sand and build a simple castle with them.

As a parent my heart would have been broken when A) my son was afraid of me touching his pants and B) my son wanted to swim with a teacher more than me and the other son being given to me started to scream "I DON'T WANT TO SWIM WITH MOMMY"...what does that say about the relationship you have with your children?

Maddy's behaviour with the swim teacher was disturbing, what I saw was her attempting to hit the teacher over the pool noodle, not just take it away. Apparently these children are being taught that it is ok to hit the hired help.

Anonymous said...

Why don't they just go to a circus, put their kids on display and request donations. It's just about the same thing.


Quote of the week!

Anonymous said...

I guess the only real regret that Kate probably has is that she didn't have all girls. The way she spoke to Aaden when he was outside, and how Joel gets treated really gets my goat. If this isn't blatant case of pure sexual bias, than I don't know what. Girls are there to be pampered and held and treated like little princesses, but the boys can be treated like yesterday's garabage. And this same pattern is constantly being repeated - boys are dirty, problems, etc. Wake up Kate, the boys need as much love and attention as do the girls. At least Jodi and Beth knew how to treat all the children as equals, and not show favoritism.

Anonymous said...

As uncomfortable as they are to watch, they really aren't. I'm a foster parent and see a ton of neglect and abuse cases. What we see doesn't even come close to the legal standards for abuse.

I understand you have a broad perspective on abuse cases -- but I don't think we should minimize what we see because it doesn't meet the legal requirements for abuse.

What we are watching is clear exploitation of children to support the parents lifestyle. I believe the law has not caught up to this type of abuse. We need to protect young children from being forced to provide support for their families. There is legislation limiting the amount of time a child actor can work; there are child labor laws that provide the legal age for a child to work. Just because they are not punching a time card doesn't mean that these children aren't working.

Let me ask a question: if a photo shop owner found film that showed young children in various stages of undress - is he not required by law to report that?? Then why is it okay for the tups to be shown in various stages of undress on this show? Certainly we don't see Mady and Cara undressing - what's the legal cutoff?? Five??

Anonymous said...

Honestly, the only reason I watch anymore is so I know which sponsors to boycott.


Another nomination for comment of the week!!

nannyt said...

I've been watching J+K+8 since it started and am somewhat new to their internet identity. I have to say I agree with the majority of the comments posted most of the time - Kate needs to learn how to enjoy her children, they're blatantly doing damage control, their comments to their children are often not appropriate or defined as good parenting. However. Did you see the looks on those kids faces when they finally did warm up to the water? When Mady and Cara finally did have their swim lesson? When they were all playing in the pudding? Jon and Kate make a lot of mistakes. They're young. They have a big family and are consistently tempted with riches. We know their bad sides. I watch for the babes - and despite all the errors in judgment on behalf of the parents, those babes seemed to be having some genuine fun. For once. Thank goodness. And, as someone who has worked as a nanny for more years than I can count, Jenny deserves a medal for bravery. The biggest challenge when nannying is working out how to balance your technique with the children and the parents', especially if you don't think the parents' approach is "right" or effective. The fact that she even signed up to navigate the muddy waters of J+K makes her stronger than most, I would think. And she seems to have a very solid relationship with those kids. Just my two cents, for what they're worth.

Anonymous said...

My kids have had swimming lessons. I was really disappointed with what I saw the swimming instructors doing, couldn't they have gotten better instructors. Our swimming lessons consisted of 1 instructor and six children. The children at age 4, sit on the wall and the instructor takes them out one at a time. They teach them how to blow bubbles, go under, and kick and dig to the wall. They always teach them to go towards the wall (survival skill). The next levels are the back float, airplane float, superman float, rolling belly to back/back to belly, and jumping in. The goal is to get the children to be able to roll on their backs to get air, then roll on their bellies to kick and dig to the wall, and roll on their back again if needed, then back to their bellies to kick and dig until they get to the wall. It's a survival method that almost all swim schools teach before they introduce swimming like breast stroke, etc. Then if you have a child fall into the water, they know how to get themselves back to the wall and get out!

At the beach, Kate should have plopped her chair right at the water's edge and let the kids play at the water's edge. You have three adults (not to mention the camera crew), they would have been just fine. You can set up a cone on each side of you and tell the kids not to go past the cone in either direction, then you have all of them right there in your eyesight and just monitor them to ensure they are not going more than knee deep into the water! Jon and Jenny (or even Kate) could have been standing there with the kids to help them up if they fell. Mady and Cara are old enough not to have their hand held.

And I do wish Kate would stop going on and on about letting them be messy or in other episodes "isn't this fun". You don't have to point out to the kids when they are having fun!

I think the show could be more interesting with the kids this age than babies because they can do so much more if it wasn't for Kate's OCD. I hope they continue the show, but Kate modifies her behavior to allow the kids to be more normal kids.

The show must enjoy the negative comments because they keep including Kate yelling Heeelllloooo, showing butt cracks, etc. They could edit all of that out, but they choose to leave it in. I guess people tuning in to see what they are doing wrong is just as good as the clueless people who tune in to see what they are doing this week.

LFWH said...

I did note a couple of things that I thought were typical "Kate Behavior" in last nights ep. Firstly, Kate is screaming at Jon on the beach to hold the kids hands in the water. Question, why didn't she go down with Jon and hold the kids hands instead of screaming across the beach. If there were stragglers by the towels, Jenny could watch them while J&K were in the water with the kids.

The whole "Hermit/Ghost Crab" incident was blown way out of proportion by Kate the Drama Queen. The way she screeched clearly had an influence on the kids because they were screeching too. Having grown up by the ocean, I never ran away from crabs or screamed when one crawled across the beach. My father and I would find creatures on the beach (crabs, starfish etc...) and examine them but never ran away from them screaming. Now the kids will be afraid of crabs and messes when they grow up!! (LOL).

Finally, did anyone else notice that Kate has designated Jen as the dresser of the children? Remember in earlier episodes where Kate and Jon used to dress the kids?

Anonymous said...

RE: Pudding Painting
What I noticed as being BEYOND wierd was the kids had paintbrushes!!! Hellloooooo!!?? The entire point of pudding painting is to use your fingers and eat most of it. Brushes?? Come on! Kate was still Kate no matter how many times she claimed she was going to chill. Paint brushes?? I'd be interested to hear from other moms/kinder teachers who ever did this 'project' and used paint brushes. I certainly didn't.
Lisa

Anonymous said...

Again, the Kon-istas on Facebook, instead of understanding what is being said and discussed about J&K, continue to resort to the usual insult tactics - indicating that people who don't like the show are just "jealous" and begrude them the fact that they have received so much. Wake up! It's not about what they're getting, it's about their misleading and lying about their situation and benefiting from that lying. I guess some people will never learn!

Acertaingirl said...

Did anyone notice the writing on the kid's lifevests (at the beach)? I saw the word KONfidence - reminded me if this blog!

The kids looked so much happier when they weren't with Kate, especially in the pool.

Poor Joel America didn't need to see his buttcrack.

I think Hannah has grown into a beautiful little girl, her face is gorgeous.

Why couldn't the twins play on the other side of the pool with Jenny during the tups lessons?

I think Jon was furious with Mady because she was disturbing filming - time is $ you know! I hope he didn't hit Mady, she didn't deserve it.

annabandana said...

Did anyone else notice how long Kate's nails are? Are these the well manicured fingernails of a hardworking mother of 8!

This caught my attention immediately!!! I am a mom of young children and let me tell you, not only do I not choose to spend my time at the nail salon, but those nails would be destroyed in an hours time with what I do for and with my kids everyday.

Anonymous said...

Nothing but Damage control ... the whole show was done so that people (like us too, because I've already heard a few people say it) will say "Kate did a good job with the mess" ... um no ... Kate was well aware of how people perceive her, so it was decided that there would be a show dedicated to Kate being calmer with messes. Oh - how wonderful She's just so fabulous, and getting so much better .... NOT! Do they think viewers are really that stupid ???

Anonymous said...

4) Macaroni and Cheese for lunch?? Are there organic ones??

Yes there are and they are pretty tasty.

Anonymous said...

A few comments/observations on last night's episode:

Kate does NOT participate whatsoever with any of the hands on parenting responsibilities of these children. She is nothing more than an observer in their world. Her children serve as nothing more than accessories in her life.

Messy day/ therapy session. Am I to believe that the primary reason why Kate has not participated her children in any messy acitivities is because SHE doesnt want the activity to be done at/in their home. So all along the real reason why the children have never been allowed to get messy was just an issue of LOCATION and had nothing to do with their mother's neurosis with dirt and mess? IMO, messy day should have been appropriately titled, 'Kate's therapy day'. She did not once get down to the children's level and participate along in their fun.
Same can be said for the beach day. Jon and the nanny were both participating and interacting with the children while Kate stood clasped hands spinning in circles totally out of her element among her own children. Its the obligation and responsibility of others to interact and entertain the children. It is Kate's job, as THE observer, to report back to the couch and give viewers HER long winded version of the events that took place.
For anyone that missed it, the MENU for lunch one day was mac and cheese. Yes, mac and cheese. If, you didnt understand the first two times Kate said it, you were given the pleasure of a third complete menu run down consisting of yes, mac and cheese,fruit WITH dip, and cheesy puffs. That's right, mac and cheese. The same old mac and cheese from a box that moms have been feeding their kids for years!

Not only is ice cream considered a 'rare treat' in the Gosselin household, it is now considered a form of bribery. It is a 'rare treat', but mom gives it to us sometimes when she wants us to perform specific acts for the camera.

IMO, Mady has come to the conclusion that she is nothing more than an interfering outsider to that of the tups. Although I did find her behavior to be bratty and inappropriate, J & K should have considered the twins position when they were planning out the swimming lessons. Kate obviously served no purpose at the pool while Jon and the instructors were working with the little ones. Kate could have taken the opportunity to spend some alone time with the twins before their swimming lesson.
Even if it meant just taking a walk down to the beach. IMO Whatever steps J & K are taking to 'work with Mady' and her 'issues', FYI..your way is obviously not helping.
All in all, I found the episode boring, predictable, and inconsistent. I see TLC and J & K have been putting their creative energies to use by reading the internet blogs. This episode was chock full of viewer response 'damage control'.

Nat said...

These last couple of shows have been nothing but damage controle.

Kate- " Everybody look at me letting the kids get all dirty... are you watching? I'm letting the kids get dirty and I'm oh so relaxed about it... ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION TO HOW RELAXED I AM?!?!?! **hysterical laughter**"

Anonymous said...

"Today I may very well lose my integrity."

This made me laugh out loud! I nominate it for comment of the week!

Moxie said...

The whole time I was watching the pudding painting thing all I kept thinking was "Why don't you have a camera and get pictures of all your children messy and having such fun?" I get that staged, pretty-type family portraits are cute but these are the pictures that you'll look back upon and remember happy memories with. When everyone was being carefree. I guess to her it will just be a reminder of how sticky, messy, dirty and hard to clean it was.

I know some people are saying that these episodes look like damage control, but to me honestly, they have made me uncomfortable to watch. I think this show ran its course with me. Sad too cause the kids are cute.

mlou said...

RE:As uncomfortable as they are to watch, they really aren't. I'm a foster parent and see a ton of neglect and abuse cases. What we see doesn't even come close to the legal standards for abuse.

I was once a foster parent. And in my state if I pulled any of this crap, the foster children would have been taken from my home.

moi said...

Not THE Beth said, "As uncomfortable as they are to watch, they really aren't. I'm a foster parent and see a ton of neglect and abuse cases. What we see doesn't even come close to the legal standards for abuse."

I couldn't care less what the "legal" standard is. To any rational, mature person that is abusive behavior.

Perhaps 'the court' could try to convince the adult child of a monster who acted this way that that isn't abusive or damaging.

MrsRef said...

The gray hair guy was also on the roller coaster at Sesame Place. I didn't understand why Kate stood on the beach screaming at Jon to hold the kids hands. Why didn't she just go into the water with them. I hate the ocean but used to go in with my kids all the time and even boogie boarded with them. Now that they are grown I have plenty of time to sit and read on the beach but we have lots of memories of those times. Sometimes as a parent, you just have to suck it up and do things you don't want to or like to do.

Anonymous said...

Re the mac and cheese lunch, I don't know if it was organic or not, but even though it came from a box it was certainly not "kraft"...it was brown and looked gross. I tend to think if it is in a box it is full of preservatives...therefore how organic can it truly be?

Funny how they "only" eat healthy food but a part of every meal is either chips or cheesies and somehow this does not count as dessert.

Canadian Kate said...

This can be such a harsh group sometimes. Thinking that a little kid's bum is cute doesn't make someone a pedophile. We're SUPPOSED to find the unique attributes of little kids cute -- it's nature's way of making sure they get cared for.

Again, I think it was OK to show it on TV, but I respect the opposing view.

I'm actually pretty upset about how Joel has been treated in just about every other respect. I hope he's going to be OK.

Anonymous said...

In Kate's defense re: offering paintbrushes during the pudding painting...I teach art classes to little kids, and many of them do not like to finger paint or get their hands in the paint, even those from homes with normal moms who don't mind messes. I applaud her giving them the choice to use the brush as it's really a tactile preference at that age.

Anonymous said...

How sad that Jenny was the one putting all the kids suits on. Mom no where in sight. All that stuff is below her now. Kids are so yucky unless they are making you a buck.

Actually, Mom was helping. You could hear her in the background talking to them and saying something about this arm goes here or something. Because she wasn't on film doesn't mean she wasn't right there helping. It was pretty clear from her voice that she was in the room with them helping get everyone dressed.

cardamom said...

I agree that there is a definite bias against the boys--negative comments about the swimming lessons--"good luck with the boys"--it just makes me so sad.
Also, I haven't seen it mentioned before, but did anyone notice that during the pudding painting segment, Kate or Jon said something like "Aaden is the most disgusting kid"? The camera showed Aaden eating the pudding off of his body and Kon commented how gross that was. I thought that was terrible for the parents to publicly state how revolting their son's behavior was to them.
After all, all the kids were covered in pudding. Edible pudding. IMO they probably all ate some pudding that had been on some body part. Why single Aaden out?

Anonymous said...

It drives me nuts that they won't let any of the FOUR YEAR OLDS sleep on the top bunk. My son is 3 1/2 and has been in his very tall top bunk for a year now. He's never fallen/climbed out. I can't stand how they treat those kids like infants!

Given that bunkbeds are considered something you shouldn't even own by most pediatrician's and er drs I can't imagine why anyone would fault them for this. Having three children in a room getting excited and a high bunk to jump from just doesn't make sense. The handout from our ped for our 6 year old this year actually lists bunkbeds as one of the most hazardous things to children that age....

Anonymous said...

I think Jon was furious with Mady because she was disturbing filming - time is $ you know! I hope he didn't hit Mady, she didn't deserve it.

Are you kidding me??? She was being a royal brat and they were absolutely right to send her inside. She is way too old to not be able to sit for a few minutes and play quietly while her siblings take swim lessons. Sometimes you go first, sometimes not, that's life. Four of my children are younger than her and they are all capable of waiting while the others take swim lessons. There's never any hysterics or why can't I go first etc. If they express that hey, I'd like to go first that's great and I switch it but, if they acted like that there's not a chance I'd budge. That's just showing them that acting horrible gets you what you want.

Anonymous said...

The stipidity of Kon & TLC continue to amaze.

No time outs for hitting.

Running in the house is allowed?

Yelling into the wind is equivlent to spitting into the wind.

Complete disrespect for another's property.

4 year old children that don't know not to eat paint.

There is a product sold everywhere called, Fingerpaints.

Knowing the spray nozzle on the hose is removable by unscrewing.

Calling a little boy a girl are fighting words. The worst of all insults.

Hysterical screaming & fear of a tiny creature.

IMO it will take years to undo the damage Kon has perpetuated on these kids.

Chris said...

After watching last weeks show, I decided that I would watch "The Closer" and read the early comments that people posted and maybe watch the second airing.

What I got was "nothing new with the kon's": Kate's still a shrew, they still pick on Joel, Hannah's still the favorite.

BTW: The Closer was new and well worth the hour I spent watching it.

Anonymous said...

For anyone that missed it, the MENU for lunch one day was mac and cheese. Yes, mac and cheese. If, you didnt understand the first two times Kate said it, you were given the pleasure of a third complete menu run down consisting of yes, mac and cheese,fruit WITH dip, and cheesy puffs. That's right, mac and cheese. The same old mac and cheese from a box that moms have been feeding their kids for years!

Actually if you were watching the mac and cheese was by NatureMade and it is organic, as were the cheese puffs she served.

Jen said...

This was so hard to watch...predictable, boring and completely designed, almost like a laundry list, to address as many of the concerns people have had in one show. Further proving that there is nothing real about this show anymore.

And one more thing...If I had eight kids, there is no way in hell I would install a pool in my yard while they are young. There are just too many kids to keep track of. But of course, Jon and Kate the rubes that they are probably think you need a "ce-ment pond" and "designer jeans" to be considered part of the upper class that they aspire to be in. No matter that it's incredibly dangerous to have a pool with any number of young children, but particularly EIGHT!

My husband and I have been house shopping lately and I simply REFUSE to purchase a house with a pool or any body of water behind it, even just one of those drainage ponds that are in many new developments. There is just too much risk. I figure if we want a pool sometime down the road, we'll wait until our kids are proven swimmers and possibly all over the age of 12 when they have some water-sense behind them.

But of course, the safety and well-being of the kids is an afterthought for these idiots.

Moxie said...

To mlou:

When I say that it makes me uncomfortable to watch I mean that the couch interviews, the drama-queen-ess that Kate exhibits, and I guess having outside information about the show just make it hard to watch. I feel myself getting angry at every little thing and just not enjoying it. That's why I say I've reached my limit. I watch tv to get away from life's stress, not to make myself more so.

I will do my part in not watching and not promoting the products that sponsor them and not contributing to ratings. I think for this family's sake, they are better off OFF the air.

And I know that in the scope of things these children have it a LOT better off than very many out there. That's why I'm not letting myself get worked up about it. I will just do what I can.

Anonymous said...

"I know some people are saying that these episodes look like damage control, but to me honestly, they have made me uncomfortable to watch. I think this show ran its course with me. Sad too cause the kids are cute."

I am in total agreement with you on this! I literally reached a point while watching last night's episode where I was shaking my head in disbelief. This show has gone so far beyond the opposite of its original concept that there is simply no justification for its continued existance. I too, feel extremely sad for these children!

Anonymous said...

Obviously the "messy" part was riduculously contrived. Kon just arent't bright. Her thinking the sand fiddler or whatever would grow up to be an ALASKAN king crab...and the hose thing instead of the outdoor shower. It was sad when Joel wanted the swim teacher instead of Kate. Glad they didn't "get sick and die" from eating that paint. I thought them painting themselves with pudding was gross, the body paint would have washed off with some soap instead of plain water. Why did she always scream for Jon to dress the boys while she dressed the girls if Jen can do all six alone?

Anonymous said...

My kids have had swimming lessons. I was really disappointed with what I saw the swimming instructors doing, couldn't they have gotten better instructors. Our swimming lessons consisted of 1 instructor and six children. The children at age 4, sit on the wall and the instructor takes them out one at a time. They teach them how to blow bubbles, go under, and kick and dig to the wall. They always teach them to go towards the wall (survival skill). The next levels are the back float, airplane float, superman float, rolling belly to back/back to belly, and jumping in. The goal is to get the children to be able to roll on their backs to get air, then roll on their bellies to kick and dig to the wall, and roll on their back again if needed, then back to their bellies to kick and dig until they get to the wall. It's a survival method that almost all swim schools teach before they introduce swimming like breast stroke, etc. Then if you have a child fall into the water, they know how to get themselves back to the wall and get out!

Thank you for posting this! I have a HUGE issue with the irresponsible and unsafe approach of these swimming instructors! IMO, the swimming lesson footage was ALL about 'look at how cute the kids are in the water', then a responsible, safe, and qualified approach to teaching 4 year olds how to swim.

Anonymous said...

RE:As uncomfortable as they are to watch, they really aren't. I'm a foster parent and see a ton of neglect and abuse cases. What we see doesn't even come close to the legal standards for abuse.

Really? So a social worker coming to your house during their visits and you informing them that you want to do a reality show on TLC where millions will see these foster kids go potty, get bathed, walk around in their underwears, get dressed starting from their underwears/diapers and vomiting/being sick on national TV (among other things) wouldn't be an issue or problem? Really? Because I can't believe that any child protection employee or social worker would allow that being filmed on ANY children, much less foster kids who already have some emotional issues to deal with.

Anonymous said...

did anyone else notice that Kate has designated Jen as the dresser of the children? Remember in earlier episodes where Kate and Jon used to dress the kids?
~~~~~

Silly me, I was hoping to see the job of dressing the kids passed on to THE KIDS themselves!!!

My son proudly dressed himself every morning starting at age two and a half. Yes, his shirt was on backward or inside out the majority of the time, but honestly, if we weren't going anywhere, I'd leave it be.
He was so proud and I knew he'd get it right eventually.

Kate and Jon have to let their kids TRY things in order for them to learn things. And YES, they won't get it right the first time.
And YES, that's OK.

Anonymous said...

Kate: "I'm glad we got to feed them their regular foods and not some restaurant foods" as they show them sipping from their Olive Garden Cups. Nice!

Anonymous said...

To answer the annonymous post about whether other moms used paint brushes when they allowed their children to do pudding painting: Um, no because at the time I let my kids do this activity, they were about 12-18 months old and they wanted to go crazy with their fingers! By the time my kids were 4 they were happily painting away with giant blobs of real (stain making) finger paints, their own plastic boxes of water color paints and using markers - washables weren't invented yet, crayons, gel pens and play dough on pretty much a daily basis. All the paint stains were pretty much faded by the time prom rolled around and if they stained up any clothing, I don't remember it and didn't lose any sleep over it. But I do remember the fun they had. I love the photos I took of them during these activities and I still have some of their art work framed and displayed in the rec room.

Anonymous said...

RE: It drives me nuts that they won't let any of the FOUR YEAR OLDS sleep on the top bunk. My son is 3 1/2 and has been in his very tall top bunk for a year now. He's never fallen/climbed out. I can't stand how they treat those kids like infants!

Comment: When I researched bunk bed safety it is highly recommended that a child be at least 6 years of age before sleeping in the top bunk. I won't even let my 3.5 yo child play on our top bunk, much less sleep there. We aren't treating him like an infant, rather we are keeping him safe. While I don't think much of KON's parenting, I think they are right on to not have one of the tups sleeping in the top bunk.

Anonymous said...

Regarding Cara and Mady's meltdown before their swimming lesson. Given what we know about how filming can take more time than what we actually see on screen -- I think it's more than possible that the twins had been sitting for several hours waiting their turns and had finally just lost it.

I'm not excusing bad behavior, but frankly, it was just plain stupid to have them sit on the side and watch their siblings take a lesson. What purpose did that serve other than to irritate and bore them??

FIONA said...

WHERE TO START???


about "I don't think they made much progress"...how much progress were they going to make in a week? Are they all little Michael Phelps' in the making?

_____

I know alot about swimming, lessons with babies and tots....I was not at all impressed with these 2 instructors from what I saw. All of those kids should have put gone underwater and floated on their back with little assitance by the end of the first lesson. You don't listen to the crying, you just get the skills going and keep praising and moving on. To their defense, I am sure it was harder with cameras and Kate standing there. But if the only progress they made after 2 weeks of instrction was just "being more comfortable" in the water, then TLC wasted their money. At the end of day 3, 4 year olds should be floating on their backs with little assitance. At the end of 5 days, kids should be able to roll over onto their backs and float alone. After 2 weeks you should see arms and legs moving effectively and able to get to the pool wall. It is not abusive to insist a child learn how to swim. They cry.

Mady and Cara SHOULD have been able to go first. Kate is a bitch, and should realize, the twins are always second to the tups. They wouldn't have cared, but Mady and Cara were ready to go! Kate is a fool!

Does Kate EVER have fun? Why wasn't she playing with her kids? Too much to ask that she sit down and play in the sand with them? She is an idiot.

I think ALL her children are afraid of her...really afraid. Is it just me or does it really seem as though she doesn't enjoy them at all??? Of course it isn't just me, DUH!!!

And all she does is scream!

The hose....my GOD, Jon....of course that hurt!!! I was cringing over that! BUFFOON!!!


I hate to say this, but I think all the tups have severe behavioral issues. You can't hide it from the camera. They are all dysfunctional. She has "ruined" them. It makes me sick.

At least we saw Jenny attempting to correct the behavior with Alexis. We have never seen this from Kate-just go to time out and hug each other! These kids are so far out of hand, I had no idea. SAD! SO SAD!

Did we really need to see Joel's bottom???? Is that supposed to be cute???

I think Kate purposely screws with Mady. And I am the first to say watch what you say about the kids, because it will be here forever to be read....with that said, I am very concerned for Mady, and Cara. Actually, all of them. I don't think they are at all OK!

Jon and Kate are clueless as to how to make this a healthy situation for all of their children. We already know that. But I think to the extent that the kids are being damaged is far worse than I believed. JMO.

This is an awful, awful exihibiton of grossely poor parenting. I am more appauled then ever.

FIONA said...

Oh, and Kate made Leah move so Hannah could have the seat she wanted. Hannah, you are the one at the top, and you know it already.

Favoritism is a rule in the Gosselin household.

8/18/2008
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God, that was so apparent. Kate doesn't even attempt to hide it. Those kids are going to rebel and eat her alive!

FIONA said...

Can she possibly lead by example? She has so many fears, I guess it's good that Jon enjoys skiing, swimming, sandy beaches, etc...because she would just instill fear into those kids about messes, dirt, sports, everything. She really needs to get herself straightened out in order to successfully parent her kids.

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Jon, what WERE you thinking??? You dummy, you!

Kate misses out on all the fun freebies you are getting. She refused to ski. Barely attempted ice skating, won't roller skate, won't play in the sand, or in the ocean. She certainly didn't look like she was having fun in the pool...wonder why you married such a dull woman. Does Kate ever have fun???

Anonymous said...

I agree with so much that has already been written...I just want to add my opinion on the tups lunch that Kate and Jenny served at the end of the show. I freeze framed their plates and noticed: grapes, some other fruit wedges, cheese puffs, cheese, cucumber wedges, salad dressing poured from a bottle, and macaroni and cheese. All of which could very well be organic. However, where is the protein in this lunch??? Kate babbles endlessly about melt downs and low blood sugar, which is highly probable unless these kids get some protein three times a day. It doesn't have to be a huge serving or even meat, but they need a balanced diet which includes protein. She could have put some nuts on their plates, or a peanut butter sandwich/crackers, or fish sticks or something with protein in it!!!! I'm not a nutritionist but I am a RN and I do know that kids need protein to make it through the day :)

4tolove said...

We were at our house in the OBX at the same time as J&K and crew and you can actually see our house (waaaaay down the beach) in the beach scenes. That day, word trickled down the beach that J&K +8 was filming down the way.

We were not about to even go and watch because, first of all, I had a sneaky suspicion that they are not very friendly (Did you hear Kate say, "Go over there, away from all the people"?) and also we refuse to participate in the spectacle that has become these kids' lives. After that we did not see any sign of them for the rest of our time there.

Kate's attitude about the "messy day" being ok in their rental because she did not care about the house is infuriating to many I'm sure, but especially to those of us who rent out our houses when we are not using them.

We worked really hard to even be able to purchase our home in the OBX and we have to rent it out to be able to afford the mortgage. We have to be confident that people will respect our home and care for it as they would their own. One would hope you wouldn't do anything in someone else's home that you wouldn't feel comfortable doing in your own home. Thank goodness that we have been very lucky with our renters as most people have a great attitude.

It really was obvious on this show that Kate was TRYING to modifying her behavior but as usual, things were just over the top. Why can't Kate sit down in the sand and play with her kids? I mean, HELLLLLLOOOOOO Kate, take them down to the water, build sand castles, dig for clams.......PLAY WITH THEM--you will all have legitimate (not contrived) fun and real memories.

seashell said...

What I don't understand is Kate always says how "impossible" it is to change all the kids for whatever activity, etc. How then does Jenny, just barely not a child herself, manage to do it just fine? It also doesn't take her "6 hours" or whatever exaggeration Kate uses.

It really bugs me how J&K are taking advantage of that girl. I understand that she's hired help, but that doesn't mean she should get every menial task Kate doesn't want to do and it surely doesn't mean she should have to share a room with one of the kids.

I'd also like to know what happened to Kate's holier-than-thou "these kids will never eat those boxed meals". She said that when she was cooking the meals before her tummy tuck. Um Kate? That cardboard thing holding the organic mac n cheese was a BOX. Just sayin'. It's irritating how she changes her opinions to suit the situation.

Everything is a lie. It's a family tradition, a special treat, we'll never.., we'll always.., etc. etc. I don't think Kate even knows the truth from a lie anymore. She's a legend in her own mind.

mlou said...

This can be such a harsh group sometimes. Thinking that a little kid's bum is cute doesn't make someone a pedophile. We're SUPPOSED to find the unique attributes of little kids cute -- it's nature's way of making sure they get cared for.

Dear Canadian Kate,
I wasn't accusing you personally of being a pedophile. I'm sorry if it came across as harsh. Of course kids are cute! I just can't help but think of my child being on a playground, having something exposed and having a couple of people stare at it, let alone millions of people. Sometimes my passionate side gets the best of me, sorry if I offended you.

mlou

JenJen said...

It wasn't apparent to me how much Kate DIDN'T do with the kids until this episode. It kept going to shots of Jenny changing the kids, feeding the kids, doing the kid's hair, taking them into the water, etc!!! Are TLC/Figure 8 that stuipd? I thought they would have realized by now that we're on to her and wouldn't show that footage.

I didn't get what "cleanup" she was talking about when they were on the beach. Yeah, getting salty and sandy is hard to get off but you wash off your feet outside, then go directly to the shower! I know four years old can probably be hard to wrangle, but it's vacation. Things get sandy. I have sand in my suitcase from years ago and it's a fun memory when I see it! I am glad she was strict about the pudding in the pool however. Too many people would say "it's not our pool" and destroy it...

Anonymous said...

Just wondering if any of you while watching Kate yapping at Jon about the hose wished that he turned around and gave her a good blasting with it?? I kept shouting out at the t.v "SPRAY HER....SPRRRRRAAAAYYYY HERRRRR!!!!

5monkeys said...

Kate and Jon have to let their kids TRY things in order for them to learn things. And YES, they won't get it right the first time.
And YES, that's OK.


But then that would mean taking more time out of Kate's "exhausting" day to teach their kids some personal responsibility. Cuz, you know, it's just easier to have someone else do it for them.

Heaven forbid.. lol. :)

Anonymous said...

I thought this was too funny not to pass along:

From wikianswers:

What are the signs of a pathelogical liar?


Answer:

A pathological liar is someone who often embellishes his or her stories in a way that he or she believes will impress people. Some think a pathological liar is different from a normal liar in that a pathological liar believes the lie he or she is telling to be true ,at least in public and is "playing" the role. It is not clear, however, that this is the case, and others hold that pathological liars know precisely what they are doing. Making up stories and at the same time believing them is known as confabulation. The term "pathological liar" is not an official clinical diagnosis however most psychiatrists agree that pathological lying is often the result of a mental disorder or low self-esteem.

Pathological lying is often used in acting, since the actor or thespian must "lie" convincingly in order to make a great performance, whether it's in a play or in a movie. Quite often, most pathological liars may be actors, as in My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance. Consequently, whether pathological lying is a mental disease is highly disputed.
Does this sound like anyone we see on tv every week??
Lisa

JenJen said...

The gender stereotypes also drive me nuts. Are there not 4 bunks in the boys' room? Alexis could sleep in there with them. Or, if they're not old enough to sleep on top put those mattresses on the floor. There are simple solutions to everything that escape these oafs week after week.

I really don't get this. It didn't bother me too much seeing Alexis downstairs. I worried about her feeling left out with Leah and Hannah later in life, but that was about it. It wasn't until they had Alexis sleep with Jenny, the nanny, instead of in the empty bed in her brothers' room that I got upset. Jenny should have the right to her own privacy when it comes to sleeping. I don't get why the girls and boys can't sleep in the same room. As an adult I still share a bedroom with my brother when the occasion arises (vacation, etc). We'd even share the same bed if we really had to. Because we're siblings! We grew up together and there's nothing "weird" about it as long as privacy is respected (you change in the bathroom!) But these are FOUR YEAR OLDS! They see each other get changed every day, so I really don't get it. There's no privacy when it comes to changing, pooping, peeing.. why not share sleeping quarters??

iluveeyore said...

I really doubt that you'll find that particular house. First of all, there are several real estate agencies that deal with rentals there. If you noticed, there were houses just like theirs all around them. They might have been handled by six different agencies.

Also, if you noticed, all the houses are pretty much alike.... except some rinky dinky ones on the sound side and in older areas, such as Kill Devil Hills or Kitty Hawk. Kate and Jon "lost" each other in the house because they all have rather odd layouts... but you get used to them after a day. In addition, they also seem to have the same decor. I've seen the boys' navy bedspreads in many houses.

That house had 5 bedrooms... and they used it just the way they use the 4 bedrooms + basement at home. Jenny and Alexis got the "basement," or 5th bedroom. And, YES, it would certainly have made more sense to let Jenny and Alexis share one of the rooms with two beds, like the twins and Hannah and Leah were in.

There is no Olive Garden on the Outer Banks. There is no franchise, fast food restaurant on the Outer Banks. I don't know where Kate would have found "crappy" food. I'll just bet she figured that all they had to eat there was fast food. There are some very nice "family" restaurants there. Did they even get to try some of the local seafood and vegetables? She had to import food from Pennsylvania???

They did NOT go to a "private" beach. The only thing that might make the beach private is that most beach accesses have no area for parking. So to go to them, you pretty much need to be staying at a house nearby.

I also thought I was being crazy about Kate standing on the beach and micromanaging. Did they have NO BLANKET to sit on? Did she not have any kind of chair? That is definitely one of the places on earth that you can just sit, relax, and watch your kids play -- or read a book.

And, finally, I would not spray my dogs with a hose. We take our dogs to the beach and always wash them off in the outdoor shower... the same way we wash ourselves off. We even keep soap and shampoo in the outdoor shower. Hosing down the kids was definitely cruel and unusual punishment.

FIONA said...

And could Jenny be any less enthusiastic?

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I think she might very well lose her mind, raising 2 set of multiples!


I bet Kate slept in every day, and Jenny did all the work.

"Run, Jenny, Run"

Sara said...

Some one said in regards to the pudding painting:

"I took this as it wouldn't go well at our home but, here with a pool area to easily hose off and outdoor showers etc it is something I'll give a try. I don't think she meant oh, they can trash this place and it's ok or anything."


Actually, her exact words while standing in the garage were:

"I wouldn't allow this is in my house, so I was thinking- What would I do if I didn't care?"

It WAS NOT a situation where she decided this was an easier way to do it, with hoses and outdoor showers and such. It was not her house, not her problem, plain and simple.

In regards to the creepy gray-haired guy, he is OBVIOUSLY either a 'bodyguard' or some type of security. You can see when the family is on the beach, a girl and guy are walking past them, and the guy kind of stops like he's picking something up. The gray-haired guy and the one with the papers quickly walk towards them, almost as though they are kind of trying to block them from the family. This also explains why he was at their church, and sitting in the back seat of the plane to Utah, similar to a US Marshall.

Concerning the sleeping arrangement, someone already wrote this, but I agree- they should have taken the mattress off of the other bunkbed and either put it in the room with the other little girls or in the parents' bedroom. Sleeping with the nanny is inappropriate. Would you let your kid sleep with her kindergarten teacher or one of her friend's parents? Not really.

Last but not least, the crab thing bothered me. Maybe this seems a little extreme, but I was pissed about her confusing what kind it was and making arrogant remarks about eating it. If she knew ANYTHING about king crab, or had ever heard of Deadliest Catch, she would know that king crab don't just show up on a sunny beach in vast quantities. There are men who go out to the middle of the freezing ocean and lose their lives every year, just to catch the damn crab while Kate sits on her exhausted ass and slathers them in butter. How pompous and arrogant can one person be. I know she said once that she doesn't notice other people, but it's painfully obvious that she doesn't give one damn about them either.

Canadian Kate said...

mlou, you didn't need to apologize but it was nice that you did. And again, I can understand why someone would object to televising a child's bum. Thanks and no worries.

Anonymous said...

Kate forcing Leah to measure feet, yes, Leah acted as if she were going to be spanked. Kate, dearie, you can not force kids to love you when you treat them like an annoyance and make fun of them.

Screeching at Jon while he was actually having fun in the water with some of the kids while his boys cried over their sandy hands, that was very hard to watch.

Moving Leah so Hannah could claim her rightful place as queen-in-training. What can I say, queen "B".

Lingering in on Joel's little bottom, I think that was a set up so Kate could act like a mommy and pull up his bathing suit. But it backfired because Joel flinched big time and it was obvious he thought he was about to get a Kate spank. Poor little guy.

The obvious damage control chocolate painting. OMG, I could not bear it. Talk about dumbing down Americans. Gee, no, no damage control there. They couldn't even give us the credit for seeing it; she had to say it over and over again - "We're messy, we're being messy"...UGH!

And Jon, spraying those kids with that hard hose shower? I'd like to take that shower to each of them in turn and see how they like it.

Anonymous said...

"I hate to say this, but I think all the tups have severe behavioral issues. You can't hide it from the camera. They are all dysfunctional. She has "ruined" them. It makes me sick."

I agree that this episode really put out there just how behaviorally and emotionally 'dysfunctional' these children are. IMO, as a result of their exploitation for the purpose of a reaility show and most sadly, their own parents.

sabrinasmom said...

Oh, and Kate made Leah move so Hannah could have the seat she wanted. Hannah, you are the one at the top, and you know it already.

Did Leah reply with "Stinky Hannah"?

Anonymous said...

"Actually if you were watching the mac and cheese was by NatureMade and it is organic, as were the cheese puffs she served."

My post had nothing to do with the mac and cheese being organic. It had to do with 'damage control' and the obviousness of Kate repeating what she was serving for lunch three times , including a complete breakdown of the entire menu.

Anonymous said...

J&K, IMO, did not date nearly enough before getting married (for their ages). If they had dated longer, maybe they would have discovered they aren't that compatible. Jon seems pretty laid back and outdoorsy. Kate, on the other hand, is wound extremely tightly and CANNOT be pleased. They married at 22 and 24 then threw 8 kids into the mix. I think having this show may be a diversion from their "reality".

Anonymous said...

Just to clarify for you, Iluveeyore, there are many franchise, fast food chains here on the Outer Banks. The family stayed in Corolla, and there is a Dairy Queen there, along with a Burger King down the road in Duck, then when you get to Kitty Hawk, KDH and Nags Head you have your choice of practically everything from Pizza Hut to McD's to Dunkin Donuts. We now also have an Outback, and it is rumored that we will be getting an Olive Garden in the next year.

R2M said...

I agree that this episode really put out there just how behaviorally and emotionally 'dysfunctional' these children are. IMO, as a result of their exploitation for the purpose of a reaility show and most sadly, their own parents

Just exactly how these children are behavorially and emotionally "dysfunctional"? Frankly, I do not see anything very unusual about these children. They strike me as normal with the occasional moments of temper tantrums or whining. No I am just curious what you deemed as "behavorially and emotionally dysfunctional"?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"I hate to say this, but I think all the tups have severe behavioral issues. You can't hide it from the camera. They are all dysfunctional. She has "ruined" them. It makes me sick."

I agree that this episode really put out there just how behaviorally and emotionally 'dysfunctional' these children are. IMO, as a result of their exploitation for the purpose of a reaility show and most sadly, their own parents.
====================
Yes, I agree with you - I think these kids are a dysfunctional mess - with behavioral and emotional issues. Frankly, they are all beginning to really annoy me. They are bratty and have no social skills. It's not their fault, of course - it's the fault of their imbecilic parents. Nevertheless, these kids are becoming less and less attractive each episode. I really do not even enjoy watching them. It is painful to see. Of all the kids, I am most concerned with little Joel, because, he is clearly (it seems to me) bearing the brunt of his parents' emotional immaturity and resulting wrath and abuse. I feel for that kid.

SmartyQ said...

How sad that Jenny was the one putting all the kids suits on. Mom no where in sight. All that stuff is below her now. Kids are so yucky unless they are making you a buck.

Actually, Mom was helping. You could hear her in the background talking to them and saying something about this arm goes here or something. Because she wasn't on film doesn't mean she wasn't right there helping. It was pretty clear from her voice that she was in the room with them helping get everyone dressed.

I've got five bucks that say Kate's voice was added later. If you had said it was Jon's voice, it could be possible.

Oh, 4tolove honey, don't you understand? :) Katie Irene had no respect for your neighbor's property because a) it didn't cost her a red cent, and b) despite being free, she couldn't re-sell it at a consignment shop. Ergo, the house was without any value to her.

I don't buy that it was faster for Jon to 'save' Leah because he was nearby. What mother (mine most definitely included) would take the time to figure out that? In such a situation, a mother acts on instinct, and the primary instinct is to get to your child. Period.

In that same vein, what kind of father roughly puts his hand over his child's mouth and nose? Yes, Jon moved his hand to cover only Joel's mouth, but that didn't make it any less horrifying. Then there was Mommy Katie who, instead (yet again) of immediately coming to the aid of her child who was being brutally treated, weakly says, 'Jon, be kind'?

I have read that, when a liar wants you really to believe a lie, s/he opens her/his eyes wide. Did you see Katie's eyes when, in the couch session, she said (anent the pudding painting), 'It really didn’t bother me.'? If she had opened her eyes any wider, they would have popped out and landed on her chemically peeled cheeks.

sabrinasmom said...

Just a thought on the Olive Garden cups - did they not go there for the twins last birthday?

I am thinking they saved the cups for the tups to use because they are pretty sturdy and have lids with hole for a straw. Not quite sippy cups, but a step above.

I watched last night's show and realized that the tups are somewhat developmentally delayed.

I know they were preemies and I don't know if being a multiple has anything to do with it but...

(in no random order)

Alexis knocking down Collin's tower - that was so random. I would think by that age a child would be able to have some self control.

Joel's screaming - at the beach, in the pool, etc.

Alexis hitting Aeden with the doll - then the refusal to let go of it.

I noticed they was barely any footage of Leah - I wonder, because she is the most articulate, TPTB are afraid of what she may reveal - it is too difficult to censor her?

FIONA said...

Why don't you have a camera and get pictures of all your children messy and having such fun?" I get that staged, pretty-type family portraits are cute but these are the pictures that you'll look back upon and remember happy memories with. When everyone was being carefree
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I don't think Kate will look back on her children's lives with happy memories. She is just too sick.

Anonymous said...

I'm curious what behaviors you are seeing that are so different from most children of that age? When mine were that age they had their meltdowns and times that they weren't acting perfectly. There just wasn't a camera there to film it. I don't think their behaviors are that far off. They showed some of the bad which when you show a bit of bad from all eight seems like a lot.

Anonymous said...

someone before compared alexis to mady, but i don't think this is a negative - i think it's sad the way kate casts alexis out for her supposed irregular behavior. alexis demonstrates great spirit and adventure and for that, she sleeps in basements and in the "help's" room. sure, she can have behavior issues (though frankly i think they all do at times, like any child that age) and i hate to see her unfavored just because she is not the dutiful, scared, mommy's girl certain other tups appear to be. it seems like punishment happens quickly and w/o explanation. kissing and making up is great but how about sitting down and talking to the kids about sharing, not hitting, etc? not just trying to break them down into spotless, well behaved clones

merryway said...

To posters who are saying the kids are dysfunctional, need psych help, etc. I'm sorry, but this just isn't right. For the most part we have no idea what has happened before filming starts. For example, the twins might not have been told until the last minute that they were not going in for a while and there they were all dressed in suits and ready to jump in. Children all go through phases, hitting, spitting, biting, throwing fits, sometimes shy, etc. They grow and evolve. Kids can't be good all the time and it takes time to learn how to behave in every situation. These are just little kids. Self control has to be taught and they have to time to learn it. All kids have outbursts. It seems like some never expect them to misbehave and read way too much from the behavior we see on tv.
Judge the adults, but give the kids the right to be kids and have their own little issues.

funkycatt said...

It seemed wrong to me that Kate said that the kids were getting swim lessons because there would always be more kids than adults. Swim lessons can give kids and parents a false sense of security. Just because your kid has swim lessons doesn't make them safe around a pool.

I do think it is good that the kids are learning to swim. Personally I think it is funny that any kid would grow up and not know how to swim. Of course, I'm not competing in swim meets any time soon, I probably swim more like Kate does, to keep from drowning. But it is a life skill everyone should pick up.

I thought what Mady did to the swim teacher before being sent inside was odd. It looked to me like she grabbed the front of the swim instructor's suit or something. (though what other's have suggested, that it was a noodle made more sense).

I really felt sorry for Mady and Cara. I noticed the first half we only saw Cara from the waist down or behind. I think what probably happened to make the girls go off is not that they weren't "getting ALL the attention." But that they were getting absolutely NONE. How are you getting a swim lesson if the instructors are paying more attention to your 6 siblings than you? At that point its really just a free swim, and in which case why did you have to sit out of the pool and wait your turn for that.

Regarding the kid's lunch I thought it funny that Kate said "who wants their lunch first. We have mac and cheese, veggie dippers, fruit salad and puffies." Just in case all of you out there in TV land didn't notice I prepared more than just a couple of grapes for these kids lunches.

I do think there was some protien in the lunch. Between the cheese and the whole wheat pasta they got some protien. Some chicken or beef on the side would have helped too.

I also found it odd that they brought SO MUCH food from PA. Do they not have grocery stores there? I know that there are some places where you have to drive for a while to buy food, but personally I've never vacationed anywhere that you had to bring two weeks worth of food with you. (then again, i've never had a two week vacation.)

Kate was SO RUDE making the nanny sleep with the child who keeps everyone up all night. She seemed positively GIDDY to make someone stay up all night and give up ALL of their privacy and down time.

Seriously, the nanny should be paid by the hour for 24 hours to compensate for that crap. All nannies who get stuck sleeping with their charges should.

mlou said...

RE:J&K, IMO, did not date nearly enough before getting married (for their ages). If they had dated longer, maybe they would have discovered they aren't that compatible. Jon seems pretty laid back and outdoorsy. Kate, on the other hand, is wound extremely tightly and CANNOT be pleased. They married at 22 and 24 then threw 8 kids into the mix. I think having this show may be a diversion from their "reality".

I do agree that Kon probably didn't date long enough, but I think it has more to do with maturity than compatibility.
My husband and I could not be more opposite. Ironically, his name is also John, and is very laid back, hardly any temper,shy and outdoorsy. I on the other hand will admit I am always worrying about something, not to be confused with Kate's OCD, but I can also be hard to please at times. Granted, we dated 3 years before we were married, we found a way to balance things out. I bring him up, he brings me down. I think it has to do with the respect for the other person and who they are. From what I've seen J&K only respect themselves.

Anonymous said...

Judge the adults, but give the kids the right to be kids and have their own little issues.

Merryway, you are right that all kids have meltdowns (grownups too!). But no child should have to have his meltdowns shown on an endless loop on national tv.

IMO, it is the life they are living that is at least part of the reason for the meltdowns. I suspect that the filming schedule is at least part of the reason that the twins fell apart. But who puts their kids in that situation on a daily basis??

As parents, we try and make sure that our kids are in situations where they can succeed. We can't always avoid stressful times -- and as adults, we need to be flexible and adapt if the kids are falling apart.

But Jon and Kate have created a lifestyle that is geared to the cameras -- and kids personalities and needs are distinctly secondary.

I keep thinking about Joel and how his dignity and privacy were stripped without his consent. Would Kate have wanted to have the camera linger on any parts of her anatomy if her bathing suit had slipped? Would they have done it to Mady, Cara, or Jenny?

Then why is it okay to do it to Joel? Why is okay to call Joel names -- and of course, think about what the insult that Jon hurled was -- he called him a "girl."

msdee said...

I nominate this for comment of the week

Silly me, I was hoping to see the job of dressing the kids passed on to THE KIDS themselves!!!

moi said...

Anonymous said, "Are you kidding me??? [Mady] was being a royal brat and they were absolutely right to send her inside. She is way too old to not be able to sit for a few minutes and play quietly while her siblings take swim lessons. Sometimes you go first, sometimes not, that's life."

You will want to keep in mind that, since the tups were born, Mady and Cara have NEVER been first. Everything is for the benefit of the tups. At the tups' age, they were entertaining babies and watching them for a short while pre-dinner, etc. Can you imagine any of the tups handling that?

No, no: "Sometimes you are not first, that's just life" does not apply here. Please view the situation in context.

hellokitty said...

Jenny should have the right to her own privacy when it comes to sleeping.

So should Alexis.

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