Thoughts to Ponder

If anyone thinks that the sextuplets are not somewhat backward in their development, ponder this:

When the show started, Cara and Mady were the same age as the tups are now. They spoke clearly. They did not seem to scream, demand, and cry over every little thing. I think the twins adopted those behaviors after watching the tups perform and get their way.

As a matter of fact, they were the BABYSITTERS. At the age of four, Cara and Mady would be sent to the basement or bedroom to watch over or entertain the tups. Can anyone imagine telling any of the tups to watch over or entertain a small child?

Other than, possibly, Leah, none of those little kids speaks English very well. I'm not sure why... and certainly most of them don't even follow instructions.

P.S. At the bakery, when Kate felt the need to change tables (since they all needed intense supervision), she said "I don't like to sit in the middle of the room." HUH? What is she, Jesse James? Then she decided that it was perfectly OK for the twins to eat their cupcakes at the bakery, for Hannah and her sisters to eat their cupcakes (even though it looked like Hannah had a lot left over on her plate and did NOT even open her mouth for what Mady was feeding her) while watched by the icky boys, and for the boys not to get their cupcakes (since they didn't even remember the incident the next day). I'm sure they ALL remembered the incident... but they're scared to death of Katie Irene to open their mouths. The woman should be put in a loony bin.

32 comments:

aly-benji n siennas mom said...

I agree i think they baby the tup's too too much and Leah is the most verbal. PS the twins were 5 when they started the one hour speical.

Darcy said...

I think the tups are somewhat behind developmentally, but it is to be expected given their premature births.

The cupcake thing is so darn irritating. Even if I could agree that they broke the rules so they don't get to eat, I can not get on board with her letting the little girls eat theirs in front of their brothers. She seems to be so unfair to the icky boys. They are such tender little sweeties too. I have two boys and I couldn't do that to them.

Anonymous said...

You are right! Several of them have speech issues. They are four years old and are no where near as articulate as other four year olds. Joel, in particular. Are they getting any speech therapy? Or, maybe it is a moot point as the only reason they exist (for J and K) is to bring in the $$$.

Anonymous said...

Your comments about the 'tups and their development are unfounded and merely your opinion. All children develop differently, and I don't see anything wrong with the 'tups. Cara and Mady seemed so mature for their age because they grew up around adults and not other children. To cite evidence, MY childhood was exactly the same, as I'm the oldest of my siblings.

Honestly, do any of you have any experience with four-year-olds? I'm around three, four, five-year-olds all the time and their speech varies. It's something a kid develops on his or her own time. It doesn't mean you should think any less of them OR the parents. I think the children articulate themselves just fine for their age.

Now the 'tups might not have developed adult-like speaking skills and still throw temper tantrums and scream and yell, but please, people, remember they are FOUR. Not only are they FOUR, but they are growing up in a child-dominated environment, and unlike their older sisters who spent the first four years of their lives with adults, these children are now influenced by their other siblings and are learning from THEM, not just adults.

You honestly expect a four-year-old to follow instructions perfectly? Do you even HAVE children? The 'tups are growing up in a family of eight children, and that's worse than a case of middle child syndrome - they're constantly striving for attention and wanting to set themselves apart from their other siblings, but it's just not possible with that many children, so how could you possibly expect them to be perfect?

My opinion here is strongly based upon my family life, like I said. I was more mature than my siblings at their ages because I grew up around adults and didn't have younger brothers or sisters - now, my siblings are growing up with other children and are influenced more by adolescence than adulthood.

If I was four and had seven other brothers and sisters, I would cry and scream to get my way, too. I wouldn't know what else to do.

And regarding your birthday comments - the twins were well-behaved and, sitting apart from the others, got to eat their cupcakes because they're older and enjoy different privileges. It was pretty clear the boys did not eat their dinner, they just sat there, that is exactly what the footage showed. And don't you think it was possibly because they were a little full of fondant, the fondant Kate warned them not to eat?

Just because they forgot about the cupcakes doesn't mean they didn't get them. You're drawing conclusions based upon unfounded assumptions.

Anonymous said...

This was the episode that finally turned me. I was on their side until this episode. Firstly, I can't believe how angry Jon was. He continued to snap at Kate and purposely use the kids against her to annoy her. I do love when at the bakery she kept yelling about them getting dirty and Jon swung around in his chair and right there in front of all of the children and cameras, he told her, "Stop it Kate! One day you are going to look back at this and kick yourself!"

One day she is going to look back and regret her behavior, but by then it will be too late.

The shock and hurt in that little boy's face when he was told he could not have his cupcake, the cupcake he waited all day for, the cupcake he made on his special day, was horrid. I wanted to put my arms around him and kiss him, then give him the cupcake.

Also, the way they were watching Hannah eat her cupcake was so sad and cruel.

It has become so obvious they are having problems in their marriage and I don't care to see that.

Also, I am sick of seeing businesses promoting themselves during each episode. It is obvious they offer their locations for the shoot for free.

Those kids should have been at home baking with mommy getting messy and then eating their creation with sheer joy. TOO BAD.

Also how can she make her girls wear shoes that do not fit? As a mom I would feel so guilty about that. It seems they don't enjoy the time they spend with their kids anymore. Kate is always complaining about being tired, Jon is always compalining about Kate. The kids are like cattled, they run them into a room, then out and then in and then to nap time.

Anonymous said...

I think they want to keep them "babyish" to keep this gravy train running . . .

Sad . . .

Cupcake-gate was horrific! I may never watch again ~

Anonymous said...

Is this for Kate lovers only?

FIONA said...

Multiples often have speech problems. And since these kids never get out to socialize with other kids, my bet is they are waiting to when they are in school. Public schooling would offer speech therapy for free. It is expensive on its own.

It should have been started already. I don't think it is too late, it will just be more difficult. I would like to twist Jon's little manberries each time he teases Joel.

Anonymous said...

I think Aaden speaks pretty well, in fact he is so high pitched sometimes I think he's Hannah speaking. And Alexis gets her word order mixed up, but I think she is fairly articulate, too - though I agree Leah is the clearest. I think their babyish mannerisms may be a matter of trying to get their parents' attention. Of course when you have seven other children around it's a tough crowd but then add in cameras and ratings and the fact that mom & dad are now playing it up for an audience, yes, I feel bad that the kids are probably frustrated and being left behind. It's almost like survival of the loudest.

And yes, the fact it was the boys' birthdays as well, and they were PUNISHED on that birthday is just so awful. I felt like J&K were doing that to "show" what great and disciplined parents they are. Please.

jmgamg said...

Good point! And remember during "Surviving Sextuplets and Twins" Mady could spell her entire name, including last name, perfectly? Looking at the tups now, I don't think they could do that. It's sad, really.

katja said...

Keeping the tups babies = keeping the $$$ rolling in.

iluveeyore said...

Somebody needs to send Jon and Kate the No-Cry Discipline Solutions book.

They make 3 main points:

1. Be consistent.
2. Be fair.
3. Be respectful.

Kate and Jon don't seem to be able to grasp any one of those points.

Anonymous said...

Is this for Jon and Kate lovers only? Do you have to love the show?

iluveeyore said...

I thought that preemies catch up, pretty much, by the age of 2.

Whether the twins were 4 -- or 5 -- they were light years ahead of the tups.

Amy G said...

Not sure about their developmental status, but I remember reading somewhere that multiples often have different developmental lines because they reference from each other rather than from the adults or other children around them--so a "th" for "s" speech impediment might manifest throughout the whole group as sounding normal rather than just one child having the impediment. Does that make sense? The children listen to each other all day, so any speech hiccups sound normal to the others and are mimicked. And yes, usually speech therapy models the right patterns and takes care of things--but the rest of the family would have to reinforce a therapist's work.

Anonymous said...

Every preemie is different how they develop and catch up. Some do by age of 2, others later, some never. There are many Early Intervention programs to help children with any problems (even before they develop.)
I speak from experience as my daughter was very premature and receives services (develop, therapy, etc.) just to keep her in check.
By the way, I live in PA and these services are available to children who qualify and premature infants do. I also wonder if the Gosselins ever had any evaluations, but of course Early Intervention is only until the age of 3, then the school district they live in would take over therapies if it was determined to be still needed.
I think if there were serious issues, the parents would get services needed...plus doctors would notice in developmental issues!

Fairy said...

IIRC Aunt Jodi likes to bake. Man I feel sorry for these tikes. Kate just sucks the joy out of everything.

aly-benji n siennas mom said...

For the tups defense I think they are fine! Maybe not to par verbally but still understandable. They know their ABC's, their numbers, their names even how to spell them. I think the tups are just fine in that aspect. I do feel like they should be in some type of Preschool for social reasons

Pam said...

I just watched the episode. I have a feeling that some of this is set up before it is shot. It is almost as if Kate wants to create controversy. No one in their right mind would allow themselves to act like this in front of the cameras.

Anonymous said...

anon 8:34--Your comments about the 'tups and their development are unfounded and merely your opinion. All children develop differently, and I don't see anything wrong with the 'tups.


I don’t think the comments are unfounded since a huge part of testing preschool aged children for developmental issues is based on observations and that is made possible by the show.

Anonymous said...

Is anyone a 'friend' of Jon's on Facebook? He has an account and has 252 friends. A lot look to be college-aged. So, I'm assuming he grants 'friend' status to whomever asks. I didn't request to be a friend, but curious if anyone else has! Just search Jonathan Gosselin.

Nancy said...

Anonymous said...

Is this for Jon and Kate lovers only? Do you have to love the show?

July 8, 2008 9:32 AM

Oh heck no, all opinions are welcome!!

Anonymous said...

Jon,

I love your hairplugs.

Bambi

Angela said...

"Is anyone a 'friend' of Jon's on Facebook? He has an account and has 252 friends. A lot look to be college-aged. So, I'm assuming he grants 'friend' status to whomever asks. I didn't request to be a friend, but curious if anyone else has! Just search Jonathan Gosselin."

From the forums I've visited, a lot of the people who watch the show and love Jon & Kate are mothers, often in their '20's. I'm not surprised to see so many young women on Jon's Facebook friends list - I mean, the show certainly isn't popular with men! :-)

Anonymous said...

The tups being behind in development could go back to the womb where they were competing for things like nutrients and oxygen. Those kind of things determine where a kid will be in four years out of the womb. The twins may have been farther along at 4 than the sextuplet's because they only had to compete with each other for things like air and food. They didn't have to compete with four other babies. That's why doctors tell mothers who carry 5 or 6 babies that there is a chance some may die. Those who don't make it probably were not getting what they needed to survive because their siblings were getting it.

Anonymous said...

I really enjoyed the show the 1st and 2nd season...but I think Kate is becoming very unhappy. Even when I did admire her, I wondered what being on the show would do to them and their safety. But now, I think her life is unravelling and she is just really miserable and turning more into a control freak.

Regarding the speech, my son is in speech therapy and he sounds like the boys. From what I've learned, many of their speech issues will work themselves out and are considered more advanced. So, for example, if at six they aren't doing their 'r' sounds then they'd need therapy. Not at four. Same with 'l'. You guys being so critical of their speech worries me about what people think of my son and me as a mother. Makes me sad.

green said...

While I do think that Jon and Kate do baby the little children to a certain extent, I wouldn’t call their development backward just slower. There are six of them and their two older sisters, that’s a lot of siblings to contend with to be heard or get attention. I would like to see them exposed to other children other than their cousins, maybe at church or when they start pre-school. The children seem to me to be very curious, mischievous, and smart.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Kate is depressed/ angry that the tups are aging. She outright said it in the cupcakes episode "that 3 is borderline babies but at 4 they aren't and don't want to be called babies". I'll bet she wishes she got the gravy train started with a show from infancy. But apart of that, she has said repeatedly she only likes babies.

Look at her favorites. Hannah of course, her clone, Leah who wants to stay a baby and says "she's little" And Aiden, the only boy she will tolerate because he wants to remain a baby.

And in her story of the tups she says she started longing for another baby when the twins were one. She likes preverbal, docile, babies. Now since there is no chance she can have another baby, she seems to be utterly depressed. She has had some sort of wierd baby mania. I think she likes live dress up dolls who arent too much trouble.

sabrinasmom said...

"Both these men are walking, talking, real-life examples of the damage done when parents or guardians don't do their jobs and protect and love their kids unconditionally and forever. The damage done is forever, too."

Taken from the TWOP "Two Coreys" message board. Is it just me, or does anyone else think a future like the Two Coreys is a definite possibility for all the Gosselin Kids?

Anonymous said...

Can someone please tell me why Kate is called Katie Irene at times? Is that her middle name or what?

Serena said...

Can someone please tell me why Kate is called Katie Irene at times? Is that her middle name or what?

Yes. She went by Katie as recently as when they did ultrasounds on her pregnant with the tups... you can see her name "Katie Gosselin" on the ultrasound results.

Anonymous said...

Multiples often have speech problems. And since these kids never get out to socialize with other kids, my bet is they are waiting to when they are in school. Public schooling would offer speech therapy for free. It is expensive on its own.

Multiples are slower to what most would consider the normal speech milestones, in that they don't speak a language adults understand. But they are able to communicate with each other (e.g. "twinspeak"), and that can continue for years, even after they've picked up a "normal" language.

As long as there are no other underlying developmental issues, I doubt there would be much of an issue with speech and language.