Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...

As recently as last night's appearance at the Highest Praise Tabernacle in Goldsboro, NC, Jon and Kate were still lying. A direct report fresh from an attendee describes how Kate said that her parents, Grandma and Grandpa Kreider, are not involved in any of their grandchildren's lives. This is patently not true and Kate knows it -- they see Clairissa's little boy with regularity.

Also, a love offering was taken up for the children's college funds. Funds which, according to the Gosselin website, don't exist -- conveniently leaving out the fact that the Lt. Governor of Pennsylvania did set up TAP funds for all eight children, as announced during the sextuplet's first birthday party.

They do keep their website updated in other areas, but they refuse to remove the claim that:
Contrary to popular belief, none of our kids have been given a college scholarship, nor are there any funds set up in any accounts to pay for college!!!.

94 comments:

Queenie said...

I do believe people can make their own decisions about what they do with their money, I believe that is a personal choice, but J&K are fleecing them and I'm not sure what they are thinking when that love offering is taken and they say it's for the college fund.

Kindhearted people help with food and shoes and maybe some toys at Christmas or reading books, but I fail to understand why anyone would make some well-off kids' college a priority when the kid next door is hungry and the water's been turned off. I think J&K deceive people in that manipulative, sociopathic way.

How are we supposed to pay for college for eight kids at the same time? Boo-frickin'-hoo. I guess they can try to get through college like MOST other kids who DON'T have wealthy or able-to-get-a-loan parents: get financial aid, get a job, get a grant, hopefully be smart and ambitious enough to get a scholarship or two. It can be done and it has been done, it just takes WORK and discipline.

I'm sorry, even if I didn't know about J&K, if they passed the hat for those kids' college fund, I'd let that thing go right by. I don't even know how I'm going to pay for my own kid's college, yet. I'd be like, WTH?

FIONA said...

THAT was a good article...it is like she saw into the future. I DO hope j and k read it. Probably won't do any good though.

nofantasy said...

Aside from the accounts clearly set up by the governor, is it fair to say there are no accounts if they are collecting money *specifically* for college during these offerings? They should say they have set up accounts for the kids for college themselves--but I have a feeling this money is going to their current standard of living rather than a future need on the kids' behalf.

What I find most troubling about the whole show and resulting income is that the kids will most likely see none of it. I think Jon and Kate should work to support their family, pay expenses, etc and the show money should be divided among the kids and put in trust accounts. It's their responsibility to support their children, not the other way around.

Anonymous said...

I made a bunch of typos in my last comment so I am resubmitting it.

The ethical issues of whether Jon and Kate should be begging the public for funds to support their brood for day to day necessities or college funds aside, they are still making huge amounts of money off the backs of their children with ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY. This is beyond disturbing.

Jon and Kate have no ethics when it comes to soliciting funds under the guise of needing to support their children... they let their kids be filmed pooping and showering, they make all sorts of false claims about the state of their finances, they accept freebie after freebie for themselves, they sell for profit goods that have been generously donated to them from companies and individuals, they cut out caregiver family members at the slightest provocation. I do not trust them to give the kids any money for college or anything else when the time comes. Kate may apply for free financial aid or let them take out loans or go somewhere for free. But I would not be in the least surprised if one or several or ALL (except Hannie) of the kids get cut off by Kate, for possibly the silliest of reasons. She might hold these college funds over their heads until they are of age then simply cut them off. She is more than capable of it. And we simply have no idea how much they have collected or what they intend to do with it. I certainly don't trust them.

That said, if I were one of their children and later realized how my childhood was exploited and compromised for my parents to grow rich, HECK YEAH I would expect a college fund and much more. I would expect every penny of the proceeds that they EARNED OFF MY BACK. Frankly, I don't know if these children will be emotionally healthy enough to have productive goals or careers when they grow up anyway. Growing up in an OCD house of tension can create eating disorders/ substance abuse issues and the inability to make and follow through with healthy goals in life. It would be a shame if these kids are scarred for life and then kicked out on their 18th birthdays with nothing to show for the media debacle their lives degenerated into, sanctioned by their parents from the moment they were born. Then Kate might say "Oh the college funds never got substantial donations, sorry!"

The college funds are Kate latest scam IMO.

Naomi said...

Contrary to popular belief, none of our kids have been given a college scholarship, nor are there any funds set up in any accounts to pay for college!!!.

You know, Kate Gosselin may only be slightly stretching the truth.

According to this page (http://pa529gsp.uii.upromise.com/), if you have a Pennsylvania 529 Guaranteed Savings Plan (GSP) account, you can get your money back at any time, for any reason. The stipulation is that "a withdrawal or a portion of a withdrawal not used for qualified education expenses, may be subject to federal income tax and a 10% federal penalty tax, as well as state and local income taxes."

Who wants to bet that they've depleted the accounts themselves? They probably don't care about the penalties since it's free money anyway.

Anonymous said...

Asking for college fund donations is kind of skeezy, especially when those funds are accumulated by literally passing a plate. Sure, most parents desire a college education for their children, but going to college is a privilege, not a necessity. Anyway, a lot can happen in the next ten to fourteen years, and the odds are that not all of the kids are going to want, or even need, to go to college.

Anonymous said...

This post made me so sad. I'm not sad for Jon & Kate, I'm sad for all the people that actually think these two are telling the truth.

If I hear one more time "How are we going to pay for 8 kids in college." Ummm...you can do it the same way my parents did it. Tell you kids to get a job, fill out the financial aid form, and wish them luck. Scary, but true!

minxie said...

How can J & K keep lying like that? Such chutzpah. I think I read somewhere that a wealthy relative (I thought of Jon's father) was helping them out before he died. I also read that J & K had--before they began the show--a decent sum of money put away, but that they didn't think they should have to tap into it, which is why they have always asked for financial help. Has anybody else read this? On one hand, if people are dumb enough to give these people money it's their business--but it's galling that J & K ask in the first place. They really do think the world owes them a living.

Anonymous said...

Has it only been just recently that J & K are now saying that love offerings collected are for the purpose of establishing college funds for their children?
If so, I find this addition to their speech extremely insulting. As a previous posted stated, there are many many American families some with 8+ children that manage to find the means to send their children to college. Without having to pan handle the public!
The days of searching the couch cushions for loose change are obviously over for J & K and have been for some time. We see episode after episode of J & K participating in luxery vacations, vanity procedures, spa trips, personal fitness trainer, hints of them moving to a bigger and better home, not to mention upcoming DVD and book sales. As parents of 8 children, if J & K do not have the parental fortitude to plan for and set aside a portion of their reality show cash cow for their children's college education, they are more irresponsible and ignorant then I ever thought they were. Do these love offering 'contributors' even watch the J & K + 8 show?? Are they so duped by the verbage that J & K spew at these speeches they fail to recognize the REALITY and the state of the world around them?! Our society is currently in a state of recession with the highest unemployment rate since the 80's, gas topping over $4 a gallon, people becoming homeless overnight as a result of tornado and hurricane. Im sorry but for me personally, the college fund of J & K's 8 children are hardly a blip on the radar when I think of a family in need! The audacity of J & K never ceases to amaze me. I really have no idea how their conscience allows them to sleep at night!!

laurie said...

How are we supposed to pay for college for eight kids at the same time? Boo-frickin'-hoo. I guess they can try to get through college like MOST other kids who DON'T have wealthy or able-to-get-a-loan parents: get financial aid, get a job, get a grant, hopefully be smart and ambitious enough to get a scholarship or two. It can be done and it has been done, it just takes WORK and discipline.

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Queenie, EXCELLENT!!! POINT!!!! I often think the SAME thing. My sitter has to get loans and all sorts of grants, work hard and still manage to pay her bills. I don't see her folks passing a collection plate. LOL

Anonymous said...

J&K are disgusting people who outright lie to people for money. It's just absolutely disgusting and shameful. Karma's a bitch, though.

Manda said...

This type of thing goes exactly to what has been said along as one of the main purposes of this blog and its motivation.

Coogan's Law not only protects children in the 'industry' as far as limiting their work hours, etc, but also it requires that trust accounts be set up in every 'performers' name with a certain percentage of earnings going to those accounts to protect children from greedy parents or managers who would blow the whole was when the kids are little and they have nothing for the future.

Now, yes, this website is critical of J&K on a personal level. I have no problem with that because they set themselves up and present themselves to the public, so I am free to opine what they are doing and how it affects their children, everything from monetarily securing their future to the snide comments directed at one child that will also affect his or her future.

Do I think J&K are going to be the ones to push this legislation that is so needed just to get the critics off their backs? I highly doubt it. My guess is they would look for other filming locations where the laws are not in place or what have you; but that is really beside the point. We will cross that bridge when we get to it. But for now, this is just a prime example of why these laws are desperately needed to fit the genre of reality television.

Without our voice to speak to this matter on behalf of these kids, who seems to be doing it? All we are trying to do is bring attention to this major loophole in the entertainment industry. If that means dissecting every single thing they do to shed light on the problems, it will be done.

Anonymous said...

If the love offerings and autographed photo purchases are "CASH ONLY" transactions, there is no way that J and K are reporting the full amounts. The IRS can't control this. I would be surprised if they are even reporting a third of the their "take" - if that.

And here's another point. Having worked for major institutions as a fundraising professional, there is a thing known as "good stewardship" of the donor's gift. This means that if you tell them it is going to the college fund, then ethically and morally, that is where it has to go. Now, of course, I know J and K have neither ethics nor morals. I wonder if at some point (maybe sooner than we think) the J and K scam will really be blown and these mindless fundamentalists who bellied up with the geld will finally see that they have been conned. And what about the IRS? Isn't Mr. IRS man sort of watching and waiting in the wings? Would not J and K have to legally prove that there is a "college fund?" This is all very disturbing. As other posters have already commented - there are so many children and families in dire straits - and these two think they are above the law. They are truly despicable!

Manda said...

Minxie - I also read that J & K had--before they began the show--a decent sum of money put away, but that they didn't think they should have to tap into it, which is why they have always asked for financial help. Has anybody else read this?

Yes, Minxie, you read it at Julie's blog. Here is an excerpt.


When the sextuplets were about 6 months old, an email was going around from them, asking for financial help. They were telling a tale of having absolutely no money, and not knowing how they were going to survive. I received the email, and it had very detailed information about how to contact the utilities and mortgage company to pay their bills. There was also a fund set up through their church. There was a huge outpouring of generosity from their community. Family and friends stepped up and gave money, offered time, tried to help in every way imaginable.

Disbelief set in a few months later. We found out (by their own admission) that all along, they had a rather large sum of money in their savings account. Let's just say it was more than I made in a year working full time when I came out of nursing school. They had been giving everyone this story of being financially destitute, when all along, a very wealthy family member was supporting them, and they were sitting on a large sum of money. When they were questioned, their response was along the lines that they shouldn't have to use their own money to support their family. It was society's obligation. "We have 8 kids!!"
http://truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com/2008/06/in-beginning.html


Now, I am not sure if it came from Jon's dad's estate or someone else. I also have been told the amount of money, but in respect of the fact Julie didn't state the amount, I won't - but let's just say for the work Jon was maybe doing then (I'm not positive of the date and how old the tups were when he went back to work after being 'laid off')it may have been close to a year's salary for him.

Lisa said...

I can't help compare this show with a few others I watch.

On LPBW Matt and Amy seem to spend alot of the money they make on the kids. You never hear Amy complain about being exhausted. We all know Amy does not have OCD or like to clean her house.:) But she seems to enjoy her children. As it should be. They are not out asking for handouts. Amy still works. Matt did too but I don't know about now. The boys also went and helped flood victims.

On Tori and Dean. They had Liam's first birthday party. After it was over and they brought in all of the gifts, Dean said to the camera that alot of the gifts would be going to charities.

When have we ever seen J&K give back? NEVER that is when. Heck they wouldn't even let Jodi make a few bucks that might have helped her family alittle.

How greedy can some get?

iluveeyore said...

If I remember correctly, when you fill out your Federal tax return, there is a line to claim money put aside for college for your dependents.

Perhaps that is why J/K are now claiming that the love offerings are going toward the kids' "college fund." They have learned that the love offerings have to be reported to the IRS and this is the way they're getting around it (it isn't income).

In addition, putting aside "college funds" really does not make a lot of sense economically. Money you put aside now is worth much less in 18 years... it shrinks. There are numerous ways to pay for college -- but people who have never been to college might not know that. If you have the desire to go, where there's a will, there's a way.

Anonymous said...

I had to work full time and student-loan my way through college... it CAN be done, and I will say it gave me a much greater appreciation and sense of accomplishment when I walked across the stage to get my bachelors degree. I would never slam those who were fortunate to come out of college debt free, but I don't quite understand why the idea that we SHOULD be saving for our children's college is imposed on us with force and with a level of guilt- i.e. you are seen as less of a good parent if you are not stockpiling for your children's college funds the moment they enter this world.

I'm a single mother, and I do the best I can to save for the future, but I fully anticipate and expect my children to be active participants if they chooses to pursue a college education.

This whole business with J&K, their "love offerings" and this whole idea that they "shouldn't have to use their own money to support their family", because it was "society's obligation", is complete and utter hogwash....ridiculous beyond words. If that statement is true, I guess I can tag society to support me, based on the fact that I'm a single mother, who is overworked and overwhelmed.

Simply put, we all have our own lines to tow in life... J&K need to stop with the delusions and excuses, step up to the plate, turn off the cameras and just tow their own lines.

Anonymous said...

J and K are appearing in Abington, PA on Sept. 14. According to that church's website, the response has been so great, that they moved the appearance to the Kestwick Theatre, a 1,300 seat venue in Glenside, Pa. Additionally, they are restricting registration. Only those people who live within a 15-mile radius of the church are allowed to register for the event. So, 1,300 people - that's a whole lot of $$$$ in love offerings and pics! I wish someone could go and check it out and report back to all of us here at GWOP. Any volunteers?

Anonymous said...

Dear Anon 12:42, as Lenora Helmsley famously was reported to have said: "Only little people pay taxes." She ended up in jail.

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate aren't going to wake up one morning their consciences suddenly functioning. The gravy train is going to end only when the scam gets too big to hide anymore. A couple more horrific "cupcake" episodes could speed the process along too.

Manda said...

Yep. If everyone just pitches in $10 - that's $13,000.

This plus the $10-$20 each for autographed photos; they'll have college paid for in no time at this rate.

Oh, and they've been doing this regularly now for how long? At least a year. And this isn't the largest place they have spoken - I know the one venue near me had a seating capacity of 2000 - two nights, and I'm certain the first night was sold out - not sure about the second night.

Sure that tells me they draw a crowd, but keep in mind they target churches with their story of how the doctor suggested reduction and they refused. Plus, with the book coming out by a Christian publisher, there's lots of advertising going into pushing them to the church scene. My MIL lives near Greensboro and saw the big billboard advertising the engagements this weekend there.

Steph said...

My daughter joined the Army to get money for school. She not only gets valuable job training AND college credits for free (she will be a medical lab tech), she also will have 75K for college when she gets out.

I generally don't believe parents have to pay for their children's college in full.(We were prepared to cover the first semester,to get them started.)However, Jon and Kate's situation is different,since the children are, essentially, supporting them. They SHOULD have tens of thousands of dollars stashed away for each child's college. Not from the generosity of strangers, but from the money the CHILDREN have earned on the show.

iluveeyore said...

Apropos of nothing...

We did not have any funds saved for college. My husband was lucky enough to have a pension fund to tap into. Both of my kids went to prestigious schools. They both had large student loans to pay off... and they worked every summer to pay for the following year. Our income was too high to get a scholarship based on "need." Unless you have invented the wheel, Ivy League schools give no scholarships for "achievement." ALL of their students are high achievers!

In case anyone is interested, student loans have relatively low interest rates and you do not start paying them off until you have graduated AND are employed.

When considered for "need," family income is divided for all the kids that are in college. Do you realize how easy it's going to be for the Gosselin kids? They'll practically pay them to go to college!

I have no idea what Kate is crying about -- "we have no college funds... it's scary." It's obvious that neither Kate nor Jon ever went to college nor have any idea what it entails.

P.S. You also do not pay for college in one lump sum... people don't seem to understand that either.

Carrie said...

The Gosselins will actually have 8 in college at one time. I worked in the financial aid office at my school while I was in college, and having just two kids in college was a gold mine for parents. State and Federal aid is based on the family contribution, and because there will be 8 kids in college at the same time, the family contribution for each one will be miniscule. Actually, many times it's better to not have a large college fund because the total amount of that goes against your family contribution. But again, if J&K have never been to college, they wouldn't understand any of that. Maybe they should do a little reading up before they run around telling people that. Besides, the government is more than willing to loan you money for college! Then it won't be Kate's problem on how to repay it.

FIONA said...

I would absolutely love to go! I would do my bery best to ask some hard questions. But I can't....see we are on a tight budget currently as our 18 year old is off to college this fall....wo is me

Love Offerings Anyone???? LOL!

Serena said...

I think Jon and Kate have been told that they need not worry about pumping up huge college funds.

I also think they are counting on the fact that the people coming to see them don't know any better and will have a knee-jerk reaction when they hear, "Please give! We will be putting eight children through college! EIGHT!".

NewMom08 said...

I have signed up to go.
Found it thru this website a few weeks ago and "registered". Gotta find a babysitter though. Its on my calendar!!!!
That may prompt a "guest contributor contribution" on my part.
Anyone know how they work it, with questions and all that? IS the money solicited after the lecture or before and who does one pay to take pics with..? That really crosses the line for me. Actually, it all crosses the line.

Anonymous said...

Serena, Do Kenton and Charlene spend time with Kevin and Jodi's kids? Is Kevin alienated from them, too? You know, Kenton and Charlene may have been strict, but that doesn't mean they are horrible people. They took care of Cara and Mady the whole time K was in the hospital. K only cut them out because Kenton couldn't get his church members to give them "Cash" like K wanted. Right there, it shows you what a sick, greedy, and vile individual she is.

moi said...

Anyone know how they work it, with questions and all that? IS the money solicited after the lecture or before and who does one pay to take pics with..? That really crosses the line for me. Actually, it all crosses the line.

Don't forget to ask for your receipt after you buy your pics. Way to make 'em squirm!

Anonymous said...

And what will J & K do with all the gracious love offerings for their children's college education if one or several of their children opt to NOT pursue a traditional college education? Decide to work in the building trades through an apprenticeship program? Become plumber, pipefitter,iron worker et. Perhaps get married young, have a large family, be a stay at home parent just like good old mom AND dad. J & K are scammers pan handling the public for money. Once again, using their children as the means to THEIR end! J & K have sold their souls to the devil and are using the church and its people to do his dirty work!

Jen said...

So are those of you who plan to attend one of the events plan to ask a question to put them on the spot? I hope so!

Steph said...

Lots of kids don't go to college. They go the vo-tech route, or they go straight to work. Many people make more money straight out of vo-tech or community college than others do with a bachelor's degree. I can see Collin being a mechanic and Hannah going straight into the workforce. It has nothing to do with intelligence, just personality.

It is unlikely that all 8 will go to a four year university and graduate. Especially since neither or their parents completed a four year college.

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate are working class people. Not like University education abounds in their backgrounds.

minxie said...

If the Gosselins move into a McMansion, how will people rationalize still giving them "love offerings"--because, of course, J & K will still be trolling for cash? I can just hear their couch confessional: They need donations for the upkeep and utilities on the house that they HAD to have, the pool that they MUST build, the lawn service they NEED for the acreage, etc. etc.

Anonymous said...

How is what they are doing different than what former presidents do? Seriously do we know what their financial situation is?

Anonymous said...

IMO, people can give whatever they want to anyone they want, BUT I believe that the truth needs to get out. Once the truth is known to these church people, I believe the donations will drastically decrease. But as long as Jon and Kate keep spreading lies without being held accountable for the truth the scam will continue. Notice how their target audiences are churches where they are most likely to find the most trusting, unquestioning people.
Now the question is, HOW and WHEN will these sheeples see the truth??

FIONA said...

Its the fact that Kate can't even see how wonderful these moments are because she is operating and focused on her script of behaviors and no longer has a genuine reaction or interaction with anyone. Unfortunately, I think for her, she will end up lonely and in the darkness.

Her comments are scripted, you do know that right? What we see is her genuine behavior.

And yea, Joel's "OH MY" was the most precious moment I do believe I have seen on all the *seasons* of J and K plus 8.

FIONA said...

I actually think Jon is just as wicked in his own way. He allows the show to continue so in mind he is just as culpable.

I think we can palate Jon a little better, sometimes, because he is a little more nurturing with the children.

It really is hard for me to see a good guy in the show anymore.

What did you mean about Jodi making excuses for his behavior? I am confused...

FIONA said...

MEANT TO SAY-

Her comments are NOT scripted....

Shannon said...

How could Kate be a nurse if she didnt graduate from a 4 year college??

Anonymous said...

Shaanon said: How could Kate be a nurse if she didnt graduate from a 4 year college??

Shannon, there are still a few diploma programs for nursing. This means you go for 2 to 3 years and get a diploma from a hospital program - not a baccalaureat degree. This is what Kate did. You take the nursing courses and do your clinical and then you are done. You don't have to take biology, chemistry, and required college courses like English as you would if you were getting a BSN from a college or university. This is why Kate talks and presents herself in the manner that she does - she's uneducated. The program she was in is like going to a trade school.

Anonymous said...

"Shannon, there are still a few diploma programs for nursing. This means you go for 2 to 3 years and get a diploma from a hospital program - not a baccalaureat degree. This is what Kate did. You take the nursing courses and do your clinical and then you are done. You don't have to take biology, chemistry, and required college courses like English as you would if you were getting a BSN from a college or university. This is why Kate talks and presents herself in the manner that she does - she's uneducated. The program she was in is like going to a trade school."



Just quick follow up on the comment about Kate going to trade school and nurses education in general. You may be thinking of a LPN- Licensed Practical Nurse, which is like a trade schhol program and are employed by a lot of nursing homes. A Registered Nurse-RN has received a nursing diploma(2-3 yr program) a BSN has received a BS degree from a 4 year university. RN & BSN are clinical nurses and mostly attend very competitive programs. Not sure if Kate is a RN or LPN. Probally RN if she worked at a Dialysis clinic. Just wanted to have clarify.

WatchOverThem said...

You can sit for the RN examination with a 2-year ADN degree:

College of DuPage (2 year junior college)

The Associate Degree in Nursing (ADN) program at College of DuPage is a sequential, two-year program that begins every fall quarter. Potential candidates must complete an application packet, which also includes information regarding the college’s nursing program and admission criteria. Upon admission, students must complete the Certified Nursing Assistant (CNA program). After successful completion of the ADN program, a student is eligible to take the NCLEX-RN licensure examination. Students who receive licensure can either begin their careers, or continue their education by applying to one of several RN-BSN completion programs offered throughout the Chicagoland area.

Fidelia said...

I'll go out on a limb here, but it has always been my opinion that one of the reasons that Kate wanted to have more children is so that she would not have to go back to work.

And now that it is known that she only has a 2-year degree then she would have been working under the guidance of nurses with 4-year degrees. Perhaps not a pleasant thing for Kate.

Fidelia

Anonymous said...

I've been a lurker here and have loved the website. I had been a fan of the show but at some point became uncomfortable with the feeling of it all. Then I found this site. It validated all my feelings I had. Now I watch the show with a much more critical eye.

That being said, I feel I must respond to anon 10:46. Now I'm definitely not a fan of Kate's and maybe she slept through all her classes at nursing school. But the info regarding nursing diploma programs was incorrect(at least where I'm from).

I have my nursing degree from a diploma program and I was required to take English, biology, anatomy and physiology, chemistry,and all other classes a BSN student was.One of the only differences between programs is that diploma students usually have tons more hospital experience which some people feel is a great advantage.

Kate is certainly not the best example of a diploma program nurse but the majority are very well trained,capable nurses

Anonymous said...

The country has a huge shortage of Registered Nurses. Unfortunately, the demise of the three year Diploma Program has significantly added to the shortage problem. The two year Associate program has picked up some of the slack. Going to a four year program, graduating with a hundred thousand in debt for a forty thousand a year job is not what most working class people want or can afford to do. Kate was right to get an associate degree. Having a BSA in no way enhances the job of Nursing. Its the Nurse classes that do that.

Anonymous said...

Hi! I just wanted to say that I am a Pa resident (2 hours from J&k) and it just infuriates me that they are ripping the tax payers off with their little scheme. Someone needs to confront these two idiots at one of the seminars that they blather at.


Pissed off in Pa!!!!

Darcy said...

The country has a huge shortage of Registered Nurses. Unfortunately, the demise of the three year Diploma Program has significantly added to the shortage problem. The two year Associate program has picked up some of the slack. Going to a four year program, graduating with a hundred thousand in debt for a forty thousand a year job is not what most working class people want or can afford to do. Kate was right to get an associate degree. Having a BSA in no way enhances the job of Nursing. Its the Nurse classes that do that.

Here Here! ITA!

Anonymous said...

How do we know for sure what Kate's background is in nursing and why does that matter for this forum? I am a nurse with my BSN and MSN and we could go on for hours debating which programs are better and who receives more training. Just not sure how that fits in here.

WatchOverThem said...

A hundred thousand in debt may be a little high for a bachelors degree, unless it's perhaps from a private university with no financial aid. My daughter graduated from Bradley with way less debt than that and is getting her MSN at Rush University's MSN Leadership program with fees paid by the university. She will have to do a 2 year internship at Rush when finished. The inner-city hospital experience will be great for her career. There is a shortage of RNs, but also a shortage of MSN-leadership graduates and therefore more of the degrees are paid for by the hospitals. I don't know how a BSN or MSN could be detrimental in a field that is growing quickly and will need directors and administration to oversee the RN programs within hospitals and other health care facilities. Nurse practitioners alone will be a growing field with store front clinics growing in numbers. These nurses can do some diagnosis and write some prescriptions while keeping health care costs (MD charges) down in the future. She will have a very successful career and income with her masters degree.

I agree that Kate could have a very lucrative career with a 2 year ADN degree, but there are certainly great reasons for getting a BSN or MSN if someone is interested in doing more within the field.

Serena said...

How do we know for sure what Kate's background is in nursing

It is public record.

and why does that matter for this forum?

Well you included YOUR background in your comment submitted for publication, and here we are reading about it... it's just part of the ongoing dialogue here.

Anonymous said...

A hundred thousand in debt for a BSN can't be to high. Four years of University at a state school is what Twenty thousand a year?? Private schools are going fifty thousand a year. I think the BSN is a waste of time and money if what we want, what we need is Registered Nurses working with patients and not as Administrators. RNs have always had the option to get more education if that is what they want.

Anonymous said...

Well, 8:34AM - If you think "somebody" shoud confront them - How about YOU? You are two hours away - go to the Church, shout out and see what happens.

Anonymous said...

I am an RN and was a SAHM and believe me folks, it is easier to go outside the home and work than to take care of the kids and the home. The home job is always there - the ouside job begins and ends in eight or twelve hours but when you leave the work site, the job is over for the day.

FIONA said...

Darcy said...
The country has a huge shortage of Registered Nurses. Unfortunately, the demise of the three year Diploma Program has significantly added to the shortage problem. The two year Associate program has picked up some of the slack. Going to a four year program, graduating with a hundred thousand in debt for a forty thousand a year job is not what most working class people want or can afford to do. Kate was right to get an associate degree. Having a BSA in no way enhances the job of Nursing. Its the Nurse classes that do that.


I work in healthcare...and would like to say there is nothing wrong or a step down in going thru a community or jr. college to get your associates in nursing, which does get you the credentials to become an RN...just saying. A BS in nursing CAN and DOES help when it comes to promtotions into administrative positions, and there is some good money to be had there....just saying. An with the HUGH shortage of nurses (because they are terribly underpaid)...we really don't want just a diploma nurse or an LPN working in our hospitals, in ICU's etc...and they are. Don't know about Kate, don't care about Kate, but we all need to care about our curses and all of our anxciallary health care providers. These are the folks that actually are looking out for you. Just saying... :)

Anonymous said...

We have had Diplomia Nurses working in our hospitals and helping Doctors since Florence went to the battlefields. Nothing new there. As the shortage worsens, we will be lucky if there are CNAs available to work ICU.

Bicoastal said...

" Not sure if Kate is a RN or LPN. Probally RN if she worked at a Dialysis clinic. Just wanted to have clarify."

I thought Kate claimed to have worked in a labor/delivery room? Where did the dialysis info come from?

Also how is an ADN a public record, out of curiosity? I know for employment verification purposes
(and a few other limited reasons), an individual's college records are available.

Does PA have a public RN registry that lists education?

I know there was a newspaper story after the tups were born that said Kate was a labor room nurse; is the news article the public record?

I've always wondered if Kate was a LVN. She seems too germ-phobic to be a "real" nurse.

Me so confused ...

Anonymous said...

BTW, Fiona - all this RN, Associate, Diploma and LPN stuff is a PA,Ohio, East Coast gig - out here in the West, we are happy to have anyone with a Nursing License participate in Health Care - at their appropriate positions. Making sixty thousand a year in a state with no income tax is okay. We are looking for people who want to work with patients.

Anonymous said...

Sorry anon I would NEVER waste my time or money to go see 2 such freakish people. I think they have ripped enough people off and i'm not going to be added to that list. It was a off handed comment is all.

laura linger said...

I don't know anything about nursing degrees, but I will say this: blessings to anyone who works in this thankless profession. It was the nurses who treated my Dad with such compassion and caring during his last days in the hospital. It was the nurses who told us what was really going on with him (the doctors were giving us the runaround). It was the nurses who saw to it that the family got things to eat while we sat with Dad around the clock as he was dying. And it was the nurses who actually took time out of their busy lives to attend Dad's funeral (I still cannot believe that they did, but that was the kind of guy Dad was.).

Nurses get an inordinate amount of crap from everyone, from doctors to patients to family members. I just want to say how grateful I am to anyone in the nursing profession. You made Dad's last days a little more livable.

Anonymous said...

You can look it up online for Pennsylvania Lpn's and Rn's to see if their license are valid and to see if they have been suspended for any reason. Actually, I think all states have it.

K.C. said...

They really have a lot of nerve!

If you go to the News portion of their web site:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041206210044/www.sixgosselins.com/News/

and scroll down to the bottom, you will see Facts on Multiples. Click on Facts on Multiples:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041207073042/www.sixgosselins.com/News/news1083384076.

Towards the top of the page, (in between Living Sets and All Surviving Sets), there is an email link in white:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041214103850/mypage.direct.ca/c/csamson/multiples/email.html.

The fourth item on the list is Report a Faker. If you navigate around a bit more on their site you will also find a very detailed list of 'known fakers'.

Anonymous said...

OMG I am so happy I found this site. Everything I have felt about Kate and Jon is reaffirmed. I'm not crazy, after all!!

Bicoastal said...

" You can look it up online for Pennsylvania Lpn's and Rn's to see if their license are valid and to see if they have been suspended for any reason. Actually, I think all states have it."

I found the PA LVN registry (under the State Dept. of Public Health) but not an RN registry that can be searched. Do you know how I can look there?

Thanks!

iluveeyore said...

k.c., what are you talking about? Whose web site are you referring to?

Anonymous said...

Do we know whether Kate has an RN or an LPN?

I looked at their website for the first time. It certainly says that there are no college funds. The speaking schedule page was "missing." Now, this may be a bit petty, but, gosh, you'd think with all the people who love them, they, they could find someone to proofread the text. That's one mess of grammar, punctuation, and spelling errors. This is their professional, fund-raising website, after all. It looks as if it was written by a monkey in a closet with a typewriter. Oh.

Serena said...

I looked at their website for the first time. It certainly says that there are no college funds. The speaking schedule page was "missing."

We keep an updated speaking schedule on the blog here.

Bicoastal said...

"Do we know whether Kate has an RN or an LPN?"

I keep reading "LPN;" is that the same as a LVN (licensed vocational nurse). I've never heard of a LPN. Would a LPN work in a labor and delivery room?

It's almost impossible to believe that Kate would fib about her nursing degree ... that's one of those really bad gotcha moments.

Anonymous said...

Yes, thank you, Serena. I wasn't really checking on their schedule. I live in Boston, and I can't see them coming here, although who knows. I just think it's interesting that they don't seem to want to publicize their panhandling.

iluveeyore said...

The speaking schedule has been missing for quite some time. Ever since people in charge of speaking venues received messages about the "true" Jon and Kate.

And the web site is not kept up to date at all. The tups are still 3 years old and the photo section has been "under construction" for months.

Perhaps Jon has been too busy to get to the closet.

Anonymous said...

Kate is a Registered Nurse.
Licensed Practical Nurse and Licensed vocational Nurse are the same thing. Practical Nurse is common usage.

Anonymous said...

Kate's Nursing License is up to date and valid

Serena said...

And the web site is not kept up to date at all. The tups are still 3 years old and the photo section has been "under construction" for months.

But certain key parts ARE kept up to date:

Info about new book? check

New "favorite business" added? check

Speaking calendar removed? check

Old lie about college funds still there? check

sabrinasmom said...

I just wanted to chime in on the nursing thing. In California it seems like everyone and their Mother is becoming a nurse. New high school grads, IT burnouts (Jon you still hav a chance!), you name it. Here a seasoned nurse can make over 100K a year. For the most part, they work 3 days a week (12 hour shifts) and have the opportunity to work overtime as well.

I have 3 aunts that are nurses and over a dozen cousins in the process of becoming nurses. For some cousins, they are doing the community college route. It is somewhat easy to find a program but all of their classes are rooted in their "practicals" - rotations in hospitals, very hands on. The California State schools have four year nursing programs, but they are very impacted, I have one cousin who is waiting to take the necessary classes he needs to graduate. The University of California schools are just starting to have 4 year nursing programs. The fastest way to a BSN in California is through a private school. I have one cousin who is going into her third year, she turned down a partial scholarship to Yale to accept a full scholarship to a Catholic school and major in Nursing. She has already started practicals, but in addition, she had to take chemistry, etc, but also classes in "patient care".

From what I heard, that's where the community colleges (2 year programs) are lacking. It doesn't seem like one would need a lesson in "empathy", but seeing how Kate is a nurse and she severely lacks social graces, that makes sense to me.

K.C. said...

iluveeyore said...
k.c., what are you talking about? Whose web site are you referring to?

I was referring to J&K's website, sixgosselins.com. They have a detailed list of people who've lied about having multiples along with an email link to report new 'fakers'. I found it ironic.

If you go to the News portion of their web site:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041206210044/www.sixgosselins.com/News/

and scroll down to the bottom, you will see Facts on Multiples. Click on Facts on Multiples. Towards the top of the page, (in between Living Sets and All Surviving Sets), there is an email link in white. Click on 'email' and you will see 'Report a Faker'.

Anonymous said...

K.C. - I went to that link and it appears it has been taken down/removed. Interesting. They keep having to remove sections of the site to preserve their scam. Shameless!!!

K.C. said...

Anonymous said...
K.C. - I went to that link and it appears it has been taken down/removed. Interesting. They keep having to remove sections of the site to preserve their scam. Shameless!!!

That IS bad! I was just there today!

Maybe you can get there from this part of the site--Facts on Multiples:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041207073042/www.sixgosselins.com/News/news1083384076.

Copy and paste that, then look in between Living Sets and All Surviving Sets--click on email link (white).

Leslie said...

Bicoastal said...
I thought Kate claimed to have worked in a labor/delivery room? Where did the dialysis info come from?


I think she was working as a labor/delivery nurse before the tups were born and had gone back to work as a dialysis nurse after the tups were born.

Darcy said...

Do G&G Kreider see Kevin & Jodi's kids? I thought this originally said they did but now they're not mentioned... anybody know?

Anonymous said...

K.C. said: That IS bad! I was just there today!
Maybe you can get there from this part of the site--Facts on Multiples: http://web.archive.org/web/20041207073042/www.sixgosselins.com/News/news1083384076.
Copy and paste that, then look in between Living Sets and All Surviving Sets--click on email link (white).

K.C. - I tried what you recommended, but still cannot access. However, I did look at some other items on the wayback.com site which shows the archive for websites. According to what I did see when looking at the sixgosselins site, they used to have a "Chat Forum" which gave people the option of clicking on, "Tell the Discovery Channel What You Think of Our Show!" I guess for obvious reasons, that section of the site was taken down as well. Maybe they did figure out that people are not very happy with what they see on the show, to say the least. ALSO, I never thought that Jon or Kate were actually reading this blog or any other (too oblivious and full of themselves to care). However, I am willing to modify my opinion based on the fact they took this question down from the site.

iluveeyore said...

Before the tups were born, Kate worked as a labor/delivery nurse. She probably got very excited about having a baby of her very own.

It has never been said whether Kate was a SAHM or continued to work after the twins were born. Did they stay at a relative's house? Did they go to daycare?

When the tv show about the tups began, Kate would toddle off to work at a dialysis center two miles away from her home on Saturdays. Jon and the twins would care for the tups all day.

SammysMom said...

Several posts above mentioned them paying (or not paying) taxes. It would surprise me if TLC didn't strongly suggest to them from the early days they make sure they stay on the up-and-up with taxes as it wouldn't look good for them if their "reality TV stars" got written up somewhere or even indicted by the IRS for tax evasion, LOL. It makes me wonder if J & K have set themselves up as a business? I have a home business, and once I was making a decent income I got an accountant to do my taxes (did Turbotax before). Wow, I had NO IDEA all of the other stuff I could deduct besides the more obvious like office supplies, advertising, and miles driven for business related meetings/events.

They're deducting a HECK of a lot if they are somehow set up as a business. Shoot, they can probably deduct the food they eat at home since it's bought so they can be watched eating on TV. They could deduct even the donated clothes from having to claim that donation on taxes if they're worn on TV. They could deduct the cost to print the pictures they sell at speaking engagements. They could deduct the car they drive anywhere it's shown on camera... I'm by no means an accountant so maybe someone could chime in/correct me if I'm wrong, but the tax savings they might be able to claim add up to a LOT. And while J & K may not be the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to these things, I am positive a lawyer, manager, and/or money-savvy financial planner has their earnings in interest-bearing accounts, maybe offshore stuff, etc.. that you're exposed to more often when you become a millionaire.

Anonymous said...

Here is a cut-and-paste from the wayback.com website on which archived materials from the sixgosselins.com website is stored. (This is where deleted material is archived.) I was going to put up the link, but it seems the links do not work (see previous post to K.C.). Anyway, here it is:

Looking for a highly energetic speaker with a very intriguing family... and an amazing story?
Jon and Kate Gosselin were your average couple. After Kate gave birth to twins Cara & Mady, they wanted just one more baby....
and ended up with sextuplets!

You have to hear their whole story in person to believe all that has transpired in their family since the addition of the sextuplets.
Miracles upon miracles have unfolded before their very eyes...and there is only one way to explain it: God!
This couple has a very inspirational and uplifting message with plenty of real life humor that everyone can benefit from!
Appearances by the entire family or just Kate & Jon are available upon request.
For more information regarding booking and speaking fees contact:
Kate Gosselin by email: sixymomma@comcast.net

"Jon and Kate were one of favorite featured speakers. What parent could resist a story like theirs? Although few could relate, no one could deny their genuine love for Christ, each other and the incredible blessings of such a large family. They inspired those of us with far less challenges to rely on a God that is able to meet all our needs. They definitely brought the wow factor and their visit is still a buzz on campus. I would highly recommend this couple for your next event or weekend."
-Lisa Shumacher of the New Covenant Community Church in Fresno, California

NOTE the email address Kate had when people could contact her directly to book speaking engagements. I bet their manager is now handling the speaking bookings exclusively.

Darcy said...

Wow, that site is awesome. (webarchive.org) It says on there:

"15 Passenger Van
6 New Infant Cars Seats - Thank you Graco
6 New Cribs - Thank you Delta Enterprises
Clothing in good condition for infants 3 months and up
Diapers and formula
3 Baby swings
2 Collapsable Strollers for 3 babies each - Thank you Chicco USA and local donators"

I thought they got the cribs donated to them from Calbary Bible Fellowship Church? What am I missing? Did they get them from the church, return them and than got new ones from a company? Weird!!

SmartyQ said...

Looking for a highly energetic speaker . . .

That couldn't be our Katie Irene. She's always exhausted.

Anonymous said...

NOTE the email address Kate had when people could contact her directly to book speaking engagements. I bet their manager is now handling the speaking bookings exclusively.

I can attest that there is a PR person handling their booking info. I was on the e-mail list for the Ohio Child Conservation League State Convention in Huron, OH (scheduled for Oct. 2009) and recently received this e-mail from the coordinator of the event, Jody Clark:

"Hi all, Unfortunately, and with much regret ,Jon and Kate Gosselin have cancelled their speaking engagement with OCCL (see e-mail below). We are very disappointed and let down by this. We will be refunding in full., those who have sent in their reservations thus far. When I first started conversing with Kate it was very refreshing to me that it was strictly her and I e-mailing, however, she has now hired a PR firm, and that is who contacted me to tell me of the cancellation. Again, I apologize. Thanks so much. Jody Clark"

So yes, this average, normal, needy family communicates via a PR firm. Have your people call my people, Kate!

Anonymous said...

I guess God has now provided J & K with a PR team. Tisk Tisk

Anonymous said...

I think there are PR people all over the blogs and forums making excuses for Kate and Jon, aka the controllers for the moneymakers for them. It is a true shame that behavoir like theirs is enabled and rewarded for no reason other than dollars and cents.

info said...

The Gosselins are "managed" by Media Motion International

http://www.mediamotionintl.com/

Click on "Clients" and there they are, just your average family raising lots of kids and accepting handouts. Indeed.

Anonymous said...

From Jody Clark's email, above: "We will be refunding in full., those who have sent in their reservations thus far."

Hey, I may have been asleep at the wheel while reading all the comments above, but am I correct in understanding that not only do the G's pass the cap around after their highly motivational in-person chatfest, but people are CHARGED admission to attend, also?? Just askin'! If so, more chutzpah than I even thought they were capable of, and BTW, who's getting the profits from the admission take?

FrigginBoobs said...

From the archive.com site:

December 13, 2005
And as for our little house... I feel sorry for it! It has every nook and cranny crammed with something or someone! Needless to say, we're literally bursting at the seems! Our biggest prayer request at this time, is a house that we fit into and can afford... it's going to literally take a miracle...and for now, we'll keep praying!

And to think, we're now on "We need a bigger house" Part 2: Electric McMansion Boogaloo

Lauren said...

Anon who wrote:
"I guess God has now provided J & K with a PR team. Tisk Tisk

July 14, 2008 12:34 PM"

I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As well as the other terrific bloggers here especially Serena!

Fidelia

Jen said...

Forgive me if I seem obtuse, but I can not wrap my head around the fact that these 2 created this situation and now expect strangers to finance the rearing of their chldren.

Maybe, just maybe, I could understand having 6 in one go if they had no children at all, but they already had a set of twins.

Having a litter of kids is a *volitional endeavor*, nobody foisted these children upon them.

Anonymous said...

And Jon didn't want more children. Kate prayed and prayed (and nagged and nagged, me thinks) "for just one more" until he changed his mind. OK, Jon. Now you've got eight.