Sextuplets Turn 4

TLC is airing a new Jon & Kate Plus 8 episode tomorrow night (Monday July 7th) -- a 30-minute feature starting at 9:00 p.m. Eastern titled Sextuplets Turn 4:
In celebration of the sextuplets' birthday, Jon and Kate take the group to a local bakery where they get the opportunity to decorate their own cupcakes, and the energized bunch is told they cannot eat the treats until after dinner.

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Anonymous said...

Curious to see who is invited to this birthday. Is having it at a bakery a clever way to avoid the noticeable absence of all their former "friends"? They were all there at the carnival a few years ago. Where are they now? Are we down to the immediate family of 10? It will be interesting and telling.

Serena said...

Well we might get a glimpse of some of the hired help that now stand in for actual friends and family.

Anonymous said...

WOW, cupcakes, must be Kate couldn't talk her chef into making a proper cake.

Alison said...

I'm anxious to what jealousy goes on

*coughcough*cara&mady*coughcough*

Anonymous said...

Yes, oh astute posters. Going off site is an excellent way to avoid the sticky missing family issue. Of course, icing is sticky too! On the fingers, on the clothes. Poor Kate; she just can't win. Say, did anyone mention organic?

Anonymous said...

but omg are they going to be organic cupcakes???

Anonymous said...

Why is it that J & K cannot make the tups birthday even more special by actually spending quality and memorable time with them by baking and decorating cupcakes AT HOME? Why does EVERY special day episode involving any of these children include the promoting of a business or product placement and advertising? Has J & K ever heard of the phrase, 'Home Is Where The Heart Is'? Creating memories and traditions at HOME surrounded by family and friends. Oh I forgot for a moment that this is J & K Gosselin. Home isnt where the heart is. Home is a sound stage equipped with industrial lighting, cameras, and production crew !!

sugarjay said...

I wonder what we'll get to see the tups do next. Maybe an episode where they all get to do laundry and get told about NO WIRE HANGERS.

Anonymous said...

In the Kate Gosselin world view:

1. making memories=pimping your children out to promote your sponsors.

2. organic=better stuff than YOU can afford

3. people who love us-people who don't know us well enough to recognize that we are users who discard anyone who doesn't deliver

4. exhausted=the condition that comes from sleeping late and sitting in a plastic chair all day while people-you-barely-know do your work for you

5. icky=little boys

6. family=people who know how to help us (give us cash or babysit for free)

7. job-see #1.

FIONA said...

Witholding a cupcake from a 4 year old is like witholding water from someone on a deserted island...it is just cruel.

For goodness sake, let them spoil their appetite...they won't DIE!

Anonymous said...

I know surely the bakery could cough up enough cupcakes that they could eat one at the bakery and another at home after dinner. I mean this is the mom who let them eat ice cream for dinner.

Oh I forgot that would be too much sugar! And too much of a mess that Kate would have to clean up, while she orders Jon to shower the kids and get them in bed.

Why can't they just do normal things and make normal memories for once. I'm sure those kids would have just as much fun running around outside at home and eating cupcakes, then getting dressed up, going to a bakery and eating them. She could help them decorate them at home.

Anonymous said...

Not everyone is a baker. Rachel Ray has said on her show numerous times that she doesn't bake. She says no matter how much she tries and bake, nothing ever turns out right. When Tricia Yearwood was on her show earlier this season, it was Tricia who showed Rachel how she bakes her husband Garth's Brooks favorite cake.

And cake is cake. Doesn't matter if it cupcakes or a sheet cake. I actually think cupcakes is a good idea because it is the same size. You don't have the kids fighting over whose piece is bigger. You also don't have the fight over who gets a flower or whatever and who doesn't.

Anonymous said...

Dear Fiona, you've missed the value-added aspect here (tongue hits cheek). If the kids were allowed to eat the cupcakes sitting in front of them, there would be no meltdowns, no drama. No drama means no show. No show means no more cosmetic surgery. Egads, it's about the show, woman, not about the kids!

mswestern said...

To have a big, blowout birthday carnival, you have to have people willing to come. J&K seem to have chased off many of the people who attended last year's gathering.

FIONA said...

I seriously don't undestand why they don't just flat out hire a full time live in nanny. The kids are just trouble for them....TLC good just film the fun stuff with the Nanny. Surely they negotiate a contract that excludes Jon and Kate. How about the Gosselin Kids and Their Nanny!!!!

Serena said...

what i don't get is why kate would care if her friends and relatives were getting paid? this is not coming out of her deal. its part of the show's budget/expenses.

I can't imagine a nanny being willing to be a live-in to the Gosselins... no matter what the salary.

Anonymous said...

How is not letting their kids eat their cup cakes till after dinner cruel? If that's cruel, then what is telling your child that they can't have a piece of cake till after they have had something else to eat and not till after they open their presents? If that is cruel, then all the parents I know are cruel like J&K.

Phyllis said...

I think the cupcakes versus one big cake is a cute idea. I also don't have a problem with waiting after dinner to eat them, although if J&K asked me for my opinion, I'd suggest 1. Eat dinner. 2. Decorate cupcakes. 3. Eat cupcakes. Less temptation for a bunch of 4 year olds.

Maggie said...

I can see if the production company wants to stage a cupcake making episode for the tups birthday. That is just a normal family of multiples, right? Maybe not, so it is a set up. Bear with me.

So they have to go decorate the cupcakes because Figure 8 wants them to. It is so difficult to use a mix, add a liitle water and an egg, and mix it. Then you have to buy the pesky cupcake paper things to put in you cupcake tin. Then you have to pour it in. Then you buy the pre-prepared icing in a tube and decorate. Of course the oven has to be pre-heated. Yes, I can understand what a huge challenge that would be.

In that household, maybe so, Kate managed to mangle/sabotage the twins cooking class cake recipe, and throw it in the trash. She is not asked to bake and decorate a wedding cake. Can she read? She can bake cupcakes. Set the timer.

I am sure Rachel Ray could accomplish this task, she was probably talking about "serious baking" because if she can't do this, she has no business on a cooking show.

Anonymous said...

It's cruel because the KATE took them to the bakery before dinner and paraded cupcakes in front of them. If she was so concerned about spoiling the kids' dinner, she should have waited until after dinner to take the kids to the bakery. But that would require planning ahead on Kate's part.

Steph said...

I'm with Serena. A live in nanny would be a nightmare for the nanny. She would have a bed in the girl tups' room, would have to drive "hither, tither and yon", would have to do all of the shopping (and bring the kids along) and would be expected to be Kate's best friend. Besides, Kate HAS a live-in nanny named Jon.

nsiteman said...

If they hired a live in nanny, maybe Alexis would have to give up her "Basement bedroom" so that the nanny would have somewhere to sleep.

Nancy said...

Kate bakes a "special cake" for the twins every.single.year. and hides the cake from them, even though they know it's there somewhere. For their last birthday, they got to sit back-to-back on the floor to open some gifts. Whoopie.
Kate invites the press to the tups' first birthday, organizes a carnival for their third birthday, and takes them to a bakery for special cupcake decorating on their 4th birthday.
No wonder Cara is withdrawn and Mady is emotional.

Anonymous said...

Kate wouldnt be required to bake anything for this episode to take place at home ! All she would have to do is purchase a dozen already prepared cupcakes (from said bakery) and allow the children to decorate them at HOME. They decorated Christmas cookies in the past so obviously J & K have a basic idea of the concept of decorating a baked good. But I am sure this episode will include a J & K couch confessional justifying the reason(s) why they HAD to take the kids to a bakery. Kate doesnt bake, Kate doesnt like messes in her kitchen/dining room, Kate isnt good at kid friendly projects, Kate wanted to dress her children in perfectly matched unstained OUTFITS and parade them in public, Kate needed a reason to bitch, moan, and whine at the end of the day!

Anonymous said...

How many times do you think cupcakes will be referred to as a 'special treat' or 'rare treat' in tonight's episode?

Bicoastal said...

Are the episode description blurbs on the right verbatim from TLC? If so, good God, who's coming up with this lameness?

It seems the Figure 8 episode-planner has reached the bottom of the idea barrel. I keep expecting to read "...watch the hijinks unfold." after each new episode guide.

I wonder if even TLC is tiring of the Gosselins. Every phony family event (i.e. episode) is rigged so there will be some faux drama to set-a-tup-a-screaming followed by Kate looking toward the producer to make sure the meltdown was dramatic enough for filming purposes.

There is a pre-adolescent quality regarding this show's marketing and planning. That dumb "music" video was so bad, so poorly made, it defies logic as to why TLC would have aired something so rankly amateurish.

It makes me wonder if there is an eleven year-old girl (who love kitties and tup baby-talk) sitting behind a desk somewhere at TLC.

It's either that or producer Jen never matured emotionally beyond the sixth grade.

Anonymous said...

I don't think it's cruel on a *normal* day to make a child wait until after dinner to have a cupcake.

But, when taking your children somewhere special to celebrate something special, like oh...a birthday, and not letting them eat the cupcake at the celebration? That I find completely ridiculous.

FIONA said...

Actually, not too much planning as now the Gosselin's have a personal chef! So, WHY is Kate Gosselin ALWAYS exhausted????

FIONA said...

Everytime I hear "a rare treat" I want to vomitous all over the Queen and make HER wear it all day!

Anonymous said...

Yes, the rare treats. Maybe we need a blog post about all the rare treats. Turkey bacon, bagels, candy, marshmallow fluff. What else has that lame ass bitch called a "rare treat"?

Anonymous said...

The problem is that it's all about contriving situations to make ordinary events into special stuff for TV. Would these kids care one bit if they stayed home and decorated cupcakes--or just ate store-baked cake? They're four years old! If a child is tired, sick, unhappy, whatever, he or she still has to go to the bakery and decorate the stupid cupcakes because it's on the production schedule. There's little or no space for the real needs of these kids. While withholding the treats may be Kate being Kate, it's just as likely that it's a ploy to distress the kids and assure slaps and tears. Of course, Kate the Martyr then gets to sit on the confessional couch and sigh about how badly (insert tup name or Jon's) acted and how exhausted she is. Hey, it's all about making money--oh, memories.

Anonymous said...

Yes, the rare treats. Maybe we need a blog post about all the rare treats. Turkey bacon, bagels, candy, marshmallow fluff. What else has that lame ass bitch called a "rare treat"?

GUM!!!

Anonymous said...

"Yes, the rare treats. Maybe we need a blog post about all the rare treats. Turkey bacon, bagels, candy, marshmallow fluff. What else has that lame ass bitch called a 'rare treat'?"

A kind word to friend or family?

Anonymous said...

I am assuming that they are going to some kind of specialized bakery that probably specializes in a wide variety of bake goods including such things as wedding cakes. Those kind of places usually work on a limited schedule especially on the weekends and may have been by appointment only. Those places also close early so waiting till after they ate dinner and going at like 6 at night may not have been possible.

WatchingFromTheSidelines said...

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a 4 year old to do a project like that at a bakery and be able to control themselves to wait until after dinner the same day to eat the cupcake. I used to "help" my mother bake birthday cakes at that age and I had enough self-control to not immediately reach in and take a bite out of it.

And while it would be nice to also bake at home (like when Kate made the monkey much with the girls or when they made cookies together and the gingerbread projects together this past Christmas), I think it could also be special and fun to go to a nice bakery for a fun project.

I'll wait until I see this episode to see what I think about this one. This could be a really cool bakery where there are tons of decorating supplies that would be far more fun than just a few to choose from at home. We'll see...

FIONA said...

SIDELINE:

Under some circumstances, I can see where you are coming from. Obviously, you have to bake the cake prior to eating it. But as we have seen time and time again, Kate puts the tups into situations that just bring about a tantrum or meltdown. The chocolate factory....Disneyland....the Parade...Why not let them eat one now and one later...but you are right you can see for yourself tonight.

FIONA said...

Serena,

I wonder how the kids are handling the abrubt absence of Beth and Jodi. Beth is Aaden's (Mommy, I mean second)...How painful that must be for them.

And you know, kate isn't about to listen to the kids whine for them. So I am sure they are terribly confused, and possibly even scared that someone who "loves them so much, for all the right reasons" is gone!

Anonymous said...

OK. Twenty minutes into the cupcake episode and I cannot watch any more. Kate and Jon get on my last nerve. Insults, mocking the kids, mess-obsessed, preachy, bad grammar. Ugly red halter top. Jon is getting as bad as Kate, and the hair plugs are not good. Hey, the Girls Next Door is on. It's Ringo Starr's birthday! Home shopping! A good book.

Barbara said...

Well I have to tell you all that before this episode of their 4th birthday's, I was a Kate fan. But tonight really showed her for the cruel, unkind and just plain mean person she is. A birthday party and she is so worried about them "messing" up their clothes that they can't even eat their cupcakes until after dinner and then the boys don't get theirs at all. And she was so mean to Jon, although I have to say Jon pretty much gives as much as he gets now. And it's about time! What the heck was that about "seasons". If she didn't say it, it's wrong. She looked as though she has totally bought into her "fame" and saw herself as somebody so special. And everyone's comments about the other people in their lives probably not being at their party were so right. Her excuse? The kids wanted a family only party instead of a carnival. I am so sure!!! Whatever, I have seen Kate for what and who she really is and it is not pretty!

Renee said...

The was one of the worst episodes of the show that I've ever seen. Of course at the bakery the kids want to sit with Jon, they get so anxious around their mother. And how about them ignoring the screaming in the van... maybe if you had taught the kids any self-control it wouldn't be a problem. Oh, and you might also want to relate to them genuinely. J&K use the kids like foils, making what they think are witty quips to the camera instead of speaking to them lovingly and directly. It seems like they don't get any joy out of the children unless someone's watching and praising.

Oh, making the people at the bakery monitor your children so that they don't make a mess IN A BAKERY ON THEIR BIRTHDAY because they had to be dressed to the nines but it was "too much of a hassle" for you to change them so they could have a good time? Not letting the boys eat their cupcakes? So they broke the rules, it was their birthday! Talk about making memories. Kate and Jon are just cruel and clueless. Those kids deserve so much better.

Anonymous said...

Wow...just saw the 4th birthday episode...not one "happy birthday"; Jon mentioned they drove 75 miles to the cupcake shop; they could not (yet again) get messy, eat their treats or wear playclothes; Kate was BRUTAL to her kids, her husband and to the women at the shop; but, the cruelest was not allowing the boys on their birthday, regardless of the dinner issue, eat the one cupcake they were allowed to decorate (yea, it was their birthday) and have to sit at the table and watch the girls eat theirs. Oh yea, and Jon, you're fat. Again. Kate is just mean. And a slug. "I am exhausted" Really? Poor Aaden's face when told he was not getting the cupcake.

Someone...Grandma, Aunt Jodi, Uncle Kevin, Nana, Beth (where are you all). And not for one nano-second do I believe that four year olds, and seven year olds would give up a fun birthday party to drive an hour and a half in church clothes to decorate one little cupcake.

What was once cute and a peek into "it's OUR life" has become really awful. Kate just never lets up. Not once. All day long. She is a nasty piece of work.

Anonymous said...

WTH? Kate was really off her meds for this one! I could go on about how awful this episode was for hours. Can Kate be any more miserable that she was in this episode? I would rather spend my birthday locked in my room than be taunted with cupcakes I couldn't eat at a bakery while my mother sulked in the corner and complained about the mess. Just ruin the whole expterience while you chew out your husband and children. Oh, and of course the boys didn't get to eat their cupcakes-- especially poor Joel. Bless his sweet little heart-- I just wanted to hug him when he said "Oh MY" as the lady at the bakery swirled that icing on the cupcakes. How can Kate be so cold to him? She was just cruel in this episode. I'm sorry--I've watched this show since the beginning and have given her the benefit of the doubt for a long time but enough is enough! Get some help lady!! (And I don't mean folding your laundry!)

Anonymous said...

What's ugly on the inside eventually comes out. J & K are showing their true colors--dark.

Shannon said...

I have been reading this blog for a few weeks, but after tonights show I feel I have to comment. I have never seen Kate so rude and in such a bad mood before. Almost everything about it made me mad. Within the first 5 mins of the show they had already called the twins "Stupid" and that there kids were just "Annoying". And all this money they are making and no party for your 6 kids??? Whats that about. I really did enjoy when Jon said Kate had called him fat for the last 3 seasons, she was so so mad. But theis whole episode was really really sad.....

Anonymous said...

Using Kate lingo here:
This episode was horribly horrible. Someone hospitalize this woman now! She needs to be pink slipped immediately! Does she get off on antagonizing her children? Withholding birthday cupcakes, are you kidding me? I can't even think straight after watching this mess. Kate is evil. Jon---PLEASE, grab your kids and run!

Anonymous said...

I am a big fan of the show and this episode was way to short! It is also hard to believe that the kids chose to have a "small party". I also thought it was weird that Aaden, Collin, and Joel didn't get their cupcakes. Why didn't we get to hear the sing to the kids? I loved seeing their faces light up last year.

Lipstick Girl said...

What a very sad episode this was. Making those darling children wait till they get home to eat their cupcake and then not get to eat it becasue they(boys) didn't finish their dinner. Looks as if the tups even didn't have any gifts to open. I feel so sorry for these adorable children and those sorry sack parents for putting them out there in front of the world with annoying cameras. I can't beleive that I'm saying this, but this show needs to go and do it swiftly.

Renee said...

watchingfromthesidelines: I think it could also be special and fun to go to a nice bakery for a fun project.

I think it would be cool and fun if it was something you normally don't get a chance to do, so it's special. But these kids are always thrust into unnecessarily complicated set-ups that just stress them out that is was just another day in the life. I think it's really disheartening to watch.

ALSO: Very telling how Jon referred to his life in seasons and very telling how Kate got all defensive and freakish about it.

Anonymous said...

The "Cupcake Episode" is the last one for me.

I loved hearing Joel saying "Oh my", when saw his cupcake. But then my heart broke when the boys were not allowed to eat their Birthday Cupcakes. That was CRUEL and ABUSIVE!

No big birthday party because Kathe the shrew has offended everyone.

Please someone step in and help these children! You can only imagine what goes on when the cameras are turned off!

Kate you are vulgar, insance, abusive...I could go on and on.

Love the Tups and the Twins, but I can no longer watch children being abused and Jon & Kate verbally insulting each other.

WatchingFromTheSidelines said...

Well that was weird. It wasn't really a birthday thing at all. J&K mentioned that the kids "asked for a small family birthday" so they did that and the cupcake event was a little extra thing they were doing. So I guess it was at the request of the producers. A fun activity for the kids, I'm sure...so that's good. But just kind of strange. And I do think there seems to be more strain between J&K in the last few episodes.

But I didn't think the experience at the bakery was that bad. Sure, I wouldn't have been as worked up about the mess, but it wasn't terrible and I think the kids had fun. I can also understand why the boys weren't allowed to have their cupcakes. It wasn't really their birthday anyway, so it's not like they weren't allowed to have their real birthday cake. This was an "extra filming birthday event" and they didn't eat their dinner. That's not a big deal to me at all. That's good training for life. Some rules you have to follow or there are consequences. I'm okay with that in this instance.

Ooohhhh! Aunt Jodi's on the rerun tonight! Hi Aunt Jodi! :)

Anonymous said...

What the hell was that!!!??? This was the most strained and contrived episode to date. But this is totally minor compared to everything else going on. Talk about interview couch animosity! The contempt flying between J and K so thick you could cut it with a knife! I wonder how long it can continue to go on. I counted - J called K a "party pooper" 10 times - each time with a glare. Kate was the worst bitch ever - angry and just totally put out. Did you hear her say when she was in the kitchen, "Well, they're crying so they haven't been abducted and not dead." What a horrible thing to say! She also made a snide comment to Joel during the cupcake time, "dirty nails." She seems to be totally disgusted with those kids and that they have become a total pain in the butt. J and K are immature idiots. How can TLC allow this? I know - $$$$. Isn't there ANY law that protects these kids?

WatchingFromThe Sidelines said...

Renee: ALSO: Very telling how Jon referred to his life in seasons and very telling how Kate got all defensive and freakish about it.

I agree with this statement...I thought that was telling, too.

But I don't have a problem with the cupcake activity itself. It wasn't on their birthday really (J&K said it was an extra thing they were doing). It was a nice event and a fun change of pace on a Sunday. No harm.

And in my book it's not abusive to "deny" a child a cupcake for a few hours - or not let them have it at all if they don't eat their dinner. I would think it was unnecessarily mean if they denied them their actual birthday cake on their birthday/at a birthday party. But this was just a cupcake.

I think there are manhy other things to be concerned about with J&K and this show...but this episode didn't bother me too much.

Anonymous said...

This is what happens when people with no internal monitoring discard the people (family and friends) who provide external monitoring. Implosion. This was just ugly--both Jon and Kate. Mean. Cruel. I wonder what Jen (the enabler) thinks about the disaster that is unfolding here, maybe faster than she anticipated. Editing could neither make nor save this mess. This ship is sinking fast

Barbara said...

It sounds like we are all in agreement on this one. It was terribly sad. At least in the other shows, their were times, although brief, when J&K seemed loving to each other, they would laugh and seem "together". Not tonight. Kate was as rude and cold and unfeeling as I have ever seen. Even jumping on Jon about not sitting in the spot she assigned him at the bakery. Just incredibly sad to watch her unraveling. And Jen obviously just wants a show and doesn't even care what she puts on TV. Too sad!!

my3girls said...

Well, I could write a book (the mean behavior, bad words.. fat, stupid, the change of clothes would be a hassle, etc, etc, etc).. but I'll just make two comments, both of which are extensions of the tups 3rd birthday..

First the carnival.. which last year Kate said they would have each year. Then when this episode started, K made a point of saying that the kids didn't want a carnival. But, uh oh Kate.. you got snagged... the little girl standing there with her (not sure which one).. said something & then Kate said.. well, we'll have a carnival next year ok? and the little girl nodded and said yes. SO, clearly, the little ones did want a carnival.. but as everyone has already written.. they would so sadly have no one to invite.

Second point.. at their 3rd bday party, J&K sang happy bday to each child and Kate thought it was great to sing to each child separately and said it would be done every year... At this bday celebration (at least on camera).. there was no singing! No happy birthday song..not even one for all the kids.

Because I really can't imagine a mother acting this way, I almost wonder if Kate is acting this way purposely.. as they say.. there is no such thing as bad publicity.. and we keep watching! Just so sad for the kids.

Anonymous said...

Four-year-olds do not ask for "a small family birthday." That is the language of adults. It's the language of adults who have no people to invite to a party because they've mistreated the people who have cared. God help these children.

Anonymous said...

Kate, cut Cara's nails, would you please? She's 7 you stupid bitch. Little girls don't run around with long nails, it looks freakish. Then again, maybe it's normal to you since YOU are a freak!

Someone get Jon some Xanax. He's going to need it if he plans on staying married to this crazy shrew. Kate's family seriously should consider some sort of intervention. She has lost all sense of reality and I'm really concerned for the kids. This is not a happy house they're growing up in.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was beyond cruel to not only punish the boys by with holding their cupcake for not eating what Kate felt an appropriate amount of dinner, but to make them sit AT the table as on lookers while the girls got to eat their cupcakes!

Critical Observation of this episode:
J & K and the episode footage clearly focused on HANNAH being spoon fed her dinner in an attempt to encourage her to eat more thus receiving her cupcake. There was absolutely no footage (unless I missed it) of the boy tups dinner plate and how much they did or did not eat, or any attempt by J & K or the twins spoon feeding them to encourage them to eat more. There was no visual justification during this episode to the viewing audience that HANNAH was more deserving of her cupcake over that of the boys. If J & K were honest in their attempt to convince the viewing audience of their 'no dessert unless you eat dinner' rule, dont show episode footage of HANNAH being spoon fed like an infant in an attempt to get her to eat, show the boys not eating and leaving an unacceptable amount of food on their plate!!!!!
There was absolutely no proof to the viewer that justified J & K 's rule. I wasnt even convinced by the footage that HANNAH was deserving of her cupcake !! My guess is that the boys cupcakes ended up exactly where Kate wanted them all along in the GARBAGE!

moi said...

My heart broke for those little boys as they watched their sisters eat cupcakes, the cupcakes they made for their birthday celebration. It's their freakin' birthday, Kate and Jon, grow a heart somewhere in those Chests Clad in Freebie Bible-Verse T-Shirts.

Jackasses.

my3girls said...

I have to make one more comment. When K was complaining about J being fat, there were impressionable girls sitting at the table. How can a mom talk about their father being fat.. everyone knows weight issues are such a problem with young girls. At our house the word fat would be a bad word.. not something we would say about someone else.. Would she call one of her children fat? Same goes for stupid.. another of Kate's favorite's.

FIONA said...

Truth,

Do you have any knowledge as to what they really did do for the tups birthday? Did Jodi and Kevin see them, or Beth?

This is the saddest bunch of posts I have ever read. Just sad.

Margo X. said...

Wow! I am the Gossrlin's biggest fan. I think about them constantly and i love their family. I have seen every episode over 10 times. This episode was a HUGE dissapointment. The beginning of the episode was weird I think J and K should have stopped argueing for the 6's sake that day. I DIDN'T HEAR J OR K SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY ONCE IN THIS EPISODE!!! WTH???? For me, the worst part was when Aaden, Collin, and Joel didn't get to eat their cupcake and had to watch their sisters eat theirs. I don't think it would have killed j and k to break the rules for one day. Also, I think the parents were just lazy not to throw a pary. I don't know of any kids would wouldn't ask for a "big party". I feel bad for the kids and they didnt even sing happy birthday!!!!!

THIS WAS SAD TO WATCH!!!!!

themediaguy said...

yikes!!! i have to say i was fairly surprised by this episode. i am a fairly new viewer of this show but this episode felt different from the ones i have watched from 2007 and earlier this yr. its almost like they used a different producer or editor. odd. i guess if there was a "jump the shark" moment for this show this might prove to be it.

on another note, figure8films/advancedmedical productions cut their teeth on medical related documentaries. so i would assume they would have "medical professionals" monitoring what is going on with the kids and J&K. maybe not on scene but observing via tapes. i could be wrong. but it would make sense that they r doing this not only to protect themselves but their investment. however, i believe this is their first serial (or multiple episodes) show and likely their most profitable asset. so there probably was a steep learning curve for the producers. in fact, they're probably still learning on the fly.

those with serious concerns (not just complaints) should send them a message voicing those concerns.

with all that said, i agree with an earlier comment that stated "there is no such thing as bad publicity...."

Elizabeth said...

Those poor, poor darling children. I can't watch this show anymore, knowing that I'm enabling their exploitation.
Seriously, as mentioned before, aren't there laws in place to protect the kids against this?
J&K are terrible for treating THEIR OWN CHILDREN this way, especially Kate the Shrew.
Producer Jen is devil spawn in my book; TLC has got to take this show off the air.
And Jodi!! Aunt Jodi, you are probably the best maternal figure these kids can get - I hope the kids got to see her for their real birthday. Bless her.

Anonymous said...

This is all just my opinion :)

This was a very sad episode. Right from the start when Kate referred to Cara and Mady as acting stupid, I lost my dwindling hpe that maybe, when the cameras aren't rolling, Kate reflects on her words and behaviors in a genuine effort to examine her impact on her family and friends(?). But trust me...I know that this is t.v. and this is not the intent of the show. Kate seems so much more concerned about putting forth an image of herself as being informed, in control, and the only one who is truly enlightened and knowledgeable...it must seem to her that everyone else (including her husband) is hopelessly clueless and therefore, she must endlessly labor to tolerate their lack of intellect and reasoning. This may be partly why she's so EXHAUSTED all the time. However, she always seems to have the energy to be snide and cutting in her speech and tone. The cruelty she displayed in this episode--no dinner/no cupcake (you had to see it or check out above posters who described it well)--reminded me of her unfair (and scary)treatment of Collin regarding the teddy bear/gum incident.

Anyway, I was glad to hear Jon bravely and rightfully challenge Kate about her complaining and brooding about the messiness of the birthday cupcake project versus bringing a change of clothes for the kids in the first place. YAY JON! I don't know if it's the case that instances of Jon standing up to Kate have been captured on tape and have just never made the final cut or if it's that he has become more confident about voicing his opinion. I know he has, in the past, mumbled dissent and tried to gloss over her negative comments. But he really came out strong with great maturity in this episode...Kate was truly taken aback! I also love that Jon said he would eat every single one of the cupcakes the kids made. Even if he didn't mean it literally, the sentiment, to me, was that he is all about savoring every minute with his kids and he is delighted by everything they create, do, attempt, etc. Kate doesn't seem to be allowing herself to come from that same place and it shows in her every word and action.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALEXIS, HANNAH, AADEN, COLLIN, LEAH, & JOEL!!! YAY! BIG SISTERS CARA & MADY!!!

Steph said...

If Jon and Kate were serious about the "no cupcake until you eat your dinner" rule, they should have given the boys another chance to eat. They took all of the plates away and THEN said it. Hannah, as far as I could tell, only ate what Madelyn FED her. Joel protested that he ate the chicken. Aaden seemed shocked. If nutrition was the issue, then give the boys their plates back and say, "OK, four bites and you can have your cupcake." Instead, they sat there (in their bibs and high chairs...at FOUR!) and watched the girls eat theirs. Jon and Kate minimized it by saying the boys "never asked for them and forgot about them." No...they thought they were thrown away, as they probably were.

I don't know if this was their whole birthday or not, but there obviously was not a big party. Probably because Kate has alienated Jodi and her family (6 people) and Beth and her family (3 people). She has, essentially, no family or friends to invite to a party.

I hope the tups at least got to go out to eat, had a birthday cake with candles, had presents, got the Happy Birthday song sung to each one, and got to have some fun for their birthday. Jon and Kate were actually NOT HOME on their "real" birthday, as they had a speaking engagement. So I hope this wasn't "it" for the tups.

I still think that sometimes, rules can be broken. Like on birthdays.

And now that Jon is working out, Kate is not happy, either. He was called fat for "three seasons", now he is working on it and she is still upset. Kate--make up your mind. You are verbally abusive to Jon. Get some help.

Grammier said...

WatchingFromTheSidelines said >>>I can also understand why the boys weren't allowed to have their cupcakes. It wasn't really their birthday anyway, so it's not like they weren't allowed to have their real birthday cake. This was an "extra filming birthday event" and they didn't eat their dinner. That's not a big deal to me at all. That's good training for life. Some rules you have to follow or there are consequences. I'm okay with that in this instance.<<<

Yes, there are many rules in life that you have to follow or there will be consequences, traffic laws, school/workplace rules, other laws, but nowhere is there a law for adults that you must eat dinner to have dessert. In fact as an adult, you can eat dessert first every night, have ice cream for dinner, breakfast food for dinner, or any other thing you want. While you might get fat or develop health problems, I know plenty of people who occasionally eat dessert for dinner and do just fine. This was a special occasion, and there was no reason to treat those boys that way.

iluveeyore said...

I don't know where to begin. I absolutely DESPISE that woman.
I cringe at EVERY SINGLE WORD OUT OF HER MOUTH. She is rude, dumb, and heartless. Why does that man kowtow to her? Every now and then, he makes a half-hearted attempt to talk back to her, but then he just gives in.

I will never write her name again. I will just refer to her as the dumb bitch (db).

In a past episode, she made a big deal about not using food as a punishment, etc.
They are 4 years old. Sometimes they aren't very hungry. They couldn't have their BIRTHDAY cupcakes?

Jon couldn't use the word "seasons?" WTF? I can only think that her minister father used the word "seasons," as in "there is a time for every season under the sun." So the use of the word "seasons" gets her hackles up. When they graduate "from" college -- "Don't forget the preposition." What a db!!!

By the way, one woman at the bakery asked if the db wanted TWO cupcakes so they could eat one there and one at home. The db opted for ONE cupcake.

WHY do they make such a big deal about "church clothes"? The kids don't actually attend church services. They go to a play group. In my mind, that would call for PLAY clothes!

I think it's time for me to quit watching this train wreck. It's too hard on my blood pressure.

Serena said...

Why are four-year-olds still wearing BIBS??

Anyway, it was almost like Kate was in full passive-aggressive mode -- she looked like she was very pissed at having to perform for the cameras by pretending to be taking the kids out to celebrate their birthday... she was DAMNED if she wouldn't get her revenge one way or the other -- and that revenge took the form of denying the boys (those icky yucky creatures) the simple, rare pleasure of a cupcake.

mswestern said...

"Elizabeth said...
Those poor, poor darling children. I can't watch this show anymore, knowing that I'm enabling their exploitation.
Seriously, as mentioned before, aren't there laws in place to protect the kids against this?"

The best and most comprehensive are (not surprisingly) in California. Some other states have laws on the books to protect children working in the entertainment industry -- and some (I'm looking at you, North Carolina), brag that they have none. All you need is a permit.

From what I can tell, barring a determination that "more restrictive conditions are necessary", Pennsylvania law requires a special work permit, and then says that children working on a movie may work forty-four hours in any one week and eight hours in any one day. There is no mention of reality television.

iluveeyore said...

Hey mediaguy!

What did you mean about the birthday episode almost seeming to have a DIFFERENT PRODUCER? Are you trying to tell us something?

I absolutely noticed that tonight's questioner did not sound like Jen. Was I imagining that?

Serena said...

And why did Mady have to wear those particular shoes that didn't fit? Kate has so much help throughout the week, she can't get off her ass and buy her kids properly-fitting shoes? I guess they don't get donated so Kate can't be bothered.

What was up with her response -- "My feet hurt in my shoes ALL THE TIME! ALL THE TIME!". Why is that, Kate? And why should that mean that Mady has to wear shoes that are too small for her?

Anonymous said...

I'm watching this episode now. Wow. Kate's attitude was the worst I've seen thus far. She walked into the bakery with a grim face. The poor baker seemed to be trying really hard to make sure what she was doing was correct according to the "Queen". She actually seemed a little scared of her. And all Kate did was complain and not allow the kids to have fun. It was their birthday after all.

It's funny I watched an episode of "Kids by the Dozen" before watching J&K. The family they showed we're more dignified and were grateful for any assistance they get from families and friends (They had 13 children). In one scene, they came home from the store to find bags of clothes on their porch and they were so excited and the kids got new (used) clothes. What a refreshing change from the shrewish behavior on J&K.

Renee said...

Another problem I had with this episode is that even if what we saw was a staged birthday they still had to perform for the cameras. It might've saved everyone some anxiety if they hadn't had to have two birthday "parties" in the first place.

Jon couldn't use the word "seasons?" WTF? I can only think that her minister father used the word "seasons," as in "there is a time for every season under the sun." So the use of the word "seasons" gets her hackles up.
I think he was referring to the seasons of the show. Her reaction is really telling.

"Don't forget the preposition."
That pissed me off so much!

Anonymous said...

Don't know where to begin.....Yes, it appeared Hannah was spoon fed to be allowed to get a cupcake. Felt so sorry for those boys. This was suppose to be for their birthday!


To answer an above poster, their birthday was actually on Saturday, May 10 but Jon and Kate were out of town collecting donations from sheeples on that day.

Thought it was odd that they did not show the tups opening their presents but then there was probably a semi-truck parked close by with all the gifts sent by viewers that Kate could not refuse.

Did anyone notice that the twins also got to decorate(and eat!) their cupcakes on the tups birthday. In the past it was made clear that it was the tups special day not the twins.

Lastly, maybe this episode will open a few more eyes to what we have seen all along. Kate usually does a better job at damage control but tonite she showed her true self. And Jon really needs to get some balls. Did you see how scared he looked in the interview chair when she was chewing him out about the "episode" comment?

One more thing...how stupid does Kate think we are to believe that the tups decided to have their birthday at a bakery instead of a carnival?

Anonymous said...

Maybe the boys weren't hungry for dinner because they had bellies full of fondant?

I'm all for rules but let's be honest here; these kids were set up to be punished. Dad urges them to eat crap at the bakery and mom said in a voice-over that it was time to leave because it was closing in on dinner time. Let them fill up on crap -- urge them to eat and have fun, even -- then punish them because they weren't hungry when they got home? Clueless bitches.

Does anyone know if Jon and Kate rescheduled their May 10 Love Offering gig? Kate said that the kids' actual birthday was "family day" -- just as the kids wanted. Riiiiiight.

Serena said...

Does anyone know if Jon and Kate rescheduled their May 10 Love Offering gig?

They spoke at Greensboro Baptist Church (Greensboro, Maryland) on Mother's Day, the day after the tups' birthday. That's a 300-mile round trip.

Carrie Ann said...

This episode was so heartbreaking. I can understand Kate saying that they couldn't eat the cupcake until after dinner because my mom would sometimes make us do that. What made me angry about that was that she allowed Cara and Mady to eat their cupcakes. My dad was watching the show with me and was upset. His first question was "Do those parents ever hug those kids?" and then followed up with "Does the mom hate the boys?" So sad. My dad also noted that he would rather watch the Duggar's than J&K.

Kate is so worried about making memories for her kids by doing this special things. Sorry, Kate but kids at this age don't usually remember things from this early in their childhood. Yes the kids will have the show to watch when they are older. Come on Kate, do you want your children to see how horribly they were treated at a young age?

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Serena. I thought that they were originally booked somewhere on the 10th.

Steph said...

I am going to pretend that the kids were with Aunt Jodi on their birthday, and got a party, complete with cake, ice cream and songs!

Don't tell me otherwise. Lalalalala

tourmaline said...

Perhaps this is a sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy- I AM looking for faults in Kate every episode now- but I felt a contemptuous vibe off of her when she was forced to move to another table to watch the tups. I believe she said something along the lines of "I have to sit with THOSE kids..." ie, the 3 of her least favorites (loud and willful Alexis, and 2 of the icky boys), while Jon got to help out at Hannah's table.

That must have set her mind on sabotaging the day out; not only would she have to sit with her 3 least favorite kids, but go through the trouble of scooting her chair from one side of the room to another after she made her personage comfortable.

If anyone has this episode TIVOed, take a look and see if my impression can be substantiated.

Serena said...

Did anyone else notice that when Kate was going off on Jon for referring to her abuse of him "all during the first three seasons", she was actually trying to clap her hands to punctuate her tirade? Only she was holding that broom in one hand, so she kept clapping her other hand up against the broom handle with each word.

laura linger said...

*shudder*

You've hit a new low when you are denying three little boys their special cupcakes on their birthday.

Anonymous said...

Also noticed how Kate made some remark about bedtime not coming soon enough because she was so "exhausted". WTF! She sat on her butt all day in the car for the 75 mile drive to get free bakery goods-did you see all the boxes in the kitchen!(bet they weren't organic but they were free so that makes it OK)-and then sat on her butt at the bakery.

Those poor 4 YEAR OLDS spend many, many hours in their bedroom. At least they have each other.

Also, noticed how she told Jon she did not bring a change of clothes because HE would have to change them all.

What a piece of work!!

Anonymous said...

I have finished viewing this episode and I cannot believe how horrible these parents can be. For this mother who is so fixated on “making memories”, it flabbergasts me how she sucks the joy out of what should be fun and exciting activities that are made available for her, Jon, and their children. This family has the opportunity to do a family event that should have been stress free. The bakery has Cara and Mady set up with a “big sister project” in their own area, so they won’t be lumped in with the younger children. (Great idea! Most of us have seen Crayola-gate). All the children have their aprons on so it should keep their clothes clean and I noticed the bakery people tried their best to keep the “mess” to a minimum by doing the icing themselves and trying to stay on top of the little kids and the fondant. It just wasn’t enough for Kate who spent the day being bossy, rude, and passive-aggressive.
And I cannot believe that no dinner no dessert rule, on their birthday. I agree with Steph who posted “If Jon and Kate were serious about the "no cupcake until you eat your dinner" rule, they should have given the boys another chance to eat. They took all of the plates away and THEN said it. Hannah, as far as I could tell, only ate what Madelyn FED her. Joel protested that he ate the chicken. Aaden seemed shocked. If nutrition was the issue, then give the boys their plates back and say, "OK, four bites and you can have your cupcake."
I don’t know if having Jon taking a stand about staying at the table where Kate wanted to be at, having him telling the kids to have fun and eat, or having him say he would eat all their cupcakes made Kate feel out of control to the point where she “grabbed” control back by taking away the cupcakes from the boys but that was just sad to see those excited and happy faces just become sad and upset.
And I know I should be spreading the blame to Jon, but he doesn’t stand up to Kate or it’s a half hearted effort. Then he seems to go along with her craziness anyway.

Making Memories

The sextuplets (and we the audience) can now remember their fourth birthday as the day the twins were “stupid” about ill-fitting shoes, the kids are “annoying”, dad called mom a “party pooper”, yuck Collin (or Joel) has “dirty nails”, the kids are apparently outside with no supervision but “they’re crying so they haven’t been abducted and not dead”, the boys couldn’t eat their cupcakes (but Hannah could), the boys had to sit at the table and watch their sisters eat their cupcakes, Jon is “fat” and can’t say “seasons” because he automatically loses, and the sextuplets won’t be free of their controlling parents until “they graduate from college” (hopefully at age 22).
And apparently at age FOUR, those kids are STILL wearing bibs!

tourmaline said...

I wholeheartedly agree with whoever said that the boys were set up to not get the cupcakes. Kate's reason for not allowing them to eat them at the bakery was because of the possibility of getting their "good clothing" dirty. However, we could see in the video that the children were not changed out of their yellow outfits once home, but instead were outside playing in them (if Kate was really worried about laundry, she would have them changed into play clothes right away).

I can't help but think that a child is more likely to get dirty playing outside, as a result of accidental falls/spills, as well as by the very nature of being outside. The likelyhood of getting dirty from eating a cupcake, when they were wearing the armor-like aprons, is miniscule- they are 4, for heaven's sake!

Anonymous said...

tourmaline said...
"If anyone has this episode TIVOed, take a look and see if my impression can be substantiated."

Hi! Yes. I noticed that, too. She didn't even try to act like it was no big deal to change tables. Her disgust was plainly on her face and in the way she complained. Jon outright said, "Hannah wants to sit with me, not you" or something to that affect. Apparently Hannah is her favorite and the boys are her least favorite(I read that somewhere) so that must have fueled her anger and misery, too. Kate really showed out in this episode. She put up not pretense that she didn't want to cooperate or simply be a part of this taping.

SmartyQ said...

Thanks, themediaguy for sticking around. I enjoy your comments. This show was different in some way. I don't know why, but it had a strange feel. (And I don't think it's just because the viewing public is becoming aware that J&K are self centered idiots.)

NewMom08 said...

Let's face it folks, and maybe TRUTH can correct me if I am wrong here, but the REAL REASON the tups didn't have a party is because Kate has PISSED off the entire neighborhood where she lives, and there is no one left to come to the party. No family, no friends, and no other kids. Last year it was all about Beth and Nana Janet, Jon's Gammy, etc. Now none of those people are really around anymore and J+K's neighbors are not big fans. THAT is why the tups didn't have a party. MY how far they have come since the first birthday party....

Anonymous said...

Yes, Jon and Kate were definitely fighting over who got to sit with Hannah at the bakery and because Jon won he had hell to pay the rest of the day.

Anonymous said...

OMG! I don't know where to begin. I believe that she is indeed unraveling as one poster suggested. She knows that she needs to start acting/reacting in a motherly and loving way and she can. not. do. it. She is like DIane Downs, in that even after shooting her children, she could not act in a normal mothering way, so as to not look guilty. I am not calling Kate a murderer, but she is completely lacking in her understanding of social mores and of typical mother-like behaviors. I believe she displays a lack of impulse control and anti-social behaviors. I think she is a monster. Did you see her look of disgust when she had to sit with Alexis, Joel and Collin? How many times did she defend her choice of a family birthday instead of a big party. How pathetic that they have no friends! So much for all of the talk about making memories - blow off the most important events, like birthdays and totally go overboard with Valentine's day - wtf?!?! My son had dozens of people at his 1st, 2nd and 3rd birthdays and he is just one person - they should have tons of friends and neighbor friends. Oh and by the way, I can't think of one cute kid moment in the whole episode. That situation should have been ripe for cute moments and comments. Watching them let Hannah skate for making a dent in her food and not allowing the same for Joel was sick. My goodness, I hope you are reading this Kate because you are horrible and need help now. I got up and squeezed my son after watching this and he said he loved me unsolicited. You can't buy that.

Renee said...

I thought it was so obnoxious but fitting that after all the time we've been saying to get these kids smocks or aprons, Kate just had to get the embroidered, matching ones.

justginger912 said...

my sister and i really used to look forward to monday nights with the new episodes. however, watching it now has almost become uncomfortable. Between kate and jon yelling at each other and kate just being a raging bitch its terrible. Also, we the viewers know that kate loves to argue so hopefully now that the kids are getting older jon and kate will take the arguments to the bedroom- away from where the kids can hear them. thats extremely unhealthy to be around arguing all day!

Lauren said...

I don't get why Kate lets Cara and Mad eat their cupcakes at the bakery, when the sextuplets are watching, and the sextuplets can't. They all eat dinner at the same time, they all were wearing church clothes, and Kate just overreacting.

Kate knew before they went to the bakery that they would want to eat the cupcakes and the edible food coloring. If she really didn't want them eating the edible food coloring, she should have just planned a different activity.

WatchingFromTheSidelines said...

Grammier said: Yes, there are many rules in life that you have to follow or there will be consequences, traffic laws, school/workplace rules, other laws, but nowhere is there a law for adults that you must eat dinner to have dessert. In fact as an adult, you can eat dessert first every night, have ice cream for dinner, breakfast food for dinner, or any other thing you want. While you might get fat or develop health problems, I know plenty of people who occasionally eat dessert for dinner and do just fine. This was a special occasion, and there was no reason to treat those boys that way.

There are lots of different rules for adults than for children. There are also different rules in different households. The rule in their household seems to be that if they are having dessert that night you have to eat most of your dinner to get it. The kids know the rule. Some of the kids didn't eat their dinner and didn't get dessert. I don't think it's a big deal at all. If it was actually their birthday (which it clearly wasn't) and it was their real birthday cake, I'd agree that the rule should be suspended on that special day. But it wasn't a special day.

There are many things that I see on this show that I question or that make me sad or that make me downright angry. This just isn't one of them for me.

On another note, I think the reason they included some of the footage of Mady trying to feed Hannah was mostly about the producers choosing to include a piece of footage that shows Mady's sweet, caring side. And it was nice to see another example of that side of her, since for some time we seemed to be seeing more of her at her worst than at her best.

LetAadenEatCupcakes said...

Before I make my point, let me say that I do understand this is partially contrived for “ratings” and “controversy”. Jen (or whomever) has to realize what she is showing the audience will garner a reaction. No such thing as bad publicity, blah, blah, blah.

Here’s my point: The children do not comprehend this. No four-year old will say “OK, suck up that bad cupcake episode in SEASON four to make some more money for the family. No big deal.” To them it is a big deal. Whether they had a celebration or not (given the speaking booking, I guess not) they were told THIS was a birthday – special – event. And by the way, they were allowed to eat ice cream for dinner whether or not they finished their marshmallow fluff sandwiches in May, so confuse them some more about special treats for some special days, but no special treats for other special days.

Anonymous said...

BakeryGate...

I'm a poster here, but can't for the life of me remember my password, so I thought I'd post anonymous and find the info later! So, the kids were playing in the driveway, the cameraman was inside taping J&K, Kate asks Jon to check on the kids, then she says "I hear them screaming, so they haven't been abducted or dead....that's a good thing, right?" OH MY GOD. Is it a good thing to you Kate? And what was with all of the bakery boxes? I counted 6 huge boxes on the counter, and one had the 6 tups cupcakes and a couple others had the twins' cakes. Free is free, huh Kate? Who are you to say no? And did anyone notice at the bakery when Jon had Kate move to another table, she was too damn lazy to get off the chair to move it, she had to scrape the chair across the wood floor with her ass still in it? And I agree with previous posters, no 4 year old is going to choose a "small family party" over a carnival. And how many times did Kate have to get across the point that she won't eat anything kids make, starting with (right in front of the kids).."Remind me to never eat anything the kids make". Bitch. And again, a rampage about stains. You keep them in a glass bubble, Kate, how do they get dirty enough for you to spend "hours and hours" on stain removal. I let my kids get as dirty as they wanted. Spray and Wash is a wonderful thing. Seldom did I have to re-treat and wash again, just with things like grape juice and sometimes chocolate. And Kate, please stop making fun of Jon's English. Yours isn't the greatest either. As a matter of fact, yours is far worse. Actually "Graduate college" is an acceptable phrase in verbal language. The "from" is assumed. Just like when you are talking to someone and say "Pass the salt", you don't have to say "Sally, pass the salt", the "You" (who you are talking to, is assumed). Graduate college is OK. This was the worse episode yet. I would have bet my last buck this one would be total damage control, but I would have lost that last buck.

Anonymous said...

Hi All,
Lurker trying to figure out how to add name, hence anonymous.
Re last nights birthday debacle: it seems that J&K were 'going thru the motions'. There was no life or joy in anything they said or did. Token bitching comment, token messy comment etc. It was like they sleepwalked through the show. Maybe taking care of all the kids by themselves is getting to them. The premise of the tups wanting a family party was ludicrous. J&K must really think their viewing public are idiots. Sad....very sad....

Anonymous said...

I think I would have cut Kate a little (a LITTLE) slack on making them wait until after dinner to eat the cupcakes if we hadn't just seen the episode where they had ice cream for dinner (on just a regular Sunday). This was supposed to be the tups' birthday (whether it was for taping purposes or not) so why couldn't this be another special exception for them to bend the rules and eat cupcakes. Those kids had been exposed to cupcakes all day and then to not let them eat it?? Heck, I'm 30 years old and would probably pitch a fit too if I were in their situation!!! Its just cruel and so obviously a power play on Kate's part. Beware Kate, what goes around comes around. When you are old and drooling do you really want all of your cruelty to come back and haunt you??? Your kids will be the ones with the power then!

hezbree said...

I think that last night's episode 9with the exception of the "gum" incident ed last season) definitely portrayed kate is the worst light. A few things that I noticed:

1) I found in interesting that the kids wanted a FAMILY day instead of a carnival. Yet, Kate seemed to want the carnival (more fanfare/attention) Hmmmmm...why would the kids want a simple family day? Could it be bacause they are CONSTANTLY surrounded by camera crews, nannies, cooks, etc., and just wanted time with their mommy and daddy?

3) Kate complained about edible food coloring, saying she had a problem with it. "We don't really do that..." were her words, I believe. Well, Kate, last time I checked (and correct me if I am wrong) all food coloring was edible. Hence the term FOOD coloring. And isn't there food coloring in the M&M's they give their children for using their potties? Or in the candy they used to decorate their nativities at Christmas time? Wasn't there food coloring in last year's large birthday cake? The list goes on.

3) Perhaps it was due to editing, but did anyone notice how snippy and ungrateful she appeared to be towards the women who owned the bakery?

Anonymous said...

When ones own phobias, compulsions, neurosis, and obssessions reach a point where they are a constant source of interference, disruption, and infringment on a child's ability to participate in and embrace any resemblence of quality of life then its time to get THERAPY ASAP! Yes, I am referring to you KATIE IRENE ! Imposing your neurosis, compulsions, and obsessions on your children SEASON after SEASON is so beyond disturbing. These innocent children came in to this world a clean slate. You, Kate have selfishly
corrupted them with your self serving neurosis, obsessions, and compulsions that IMO at some point they will require therapy to erase all the damage that you have so self righteously imposed on them! Shame on Jon for turning a blind eye and allowing it to continue and shame on TLC for exploiting it to suit their own agenda!

Anonymous said...

It seems that all of the joy has been sucked out of this home. My guess is that all of these activities are being thrown at the family and it is getting tiresome for them. If I recall, Jon said they drove 75 miles to decorate cupcakes. Yikes. That is a huge commitment for them to capture this "birthday" moment. It probably wasn't the Gosselin's idea, it was the businesses, the TLC channel, the production company etc. So grumpy Kate and Jon play along. No wonder she looks bored, aloof, etc. It's like she's one of the kids being told what they are doing for the day. The tables have turned and they are losing control of how they live their life.

It's very weird to me that they live in this bubble. The older girls don't seem to have outside friends. I grew up in a large family and too much togetherness can be a negative thing too. The older and younger kids don't seem to have any experiences with peers. Now that's a true loss, especially at age four.

Sorry Kate and Jon, but it is work having kids and you have to stop complaining and give your kids normal childhood experiences - not over the top sweepstakes prizes where by they are at the "chocolate factory" all by themselves...AGAIN. Does every outing at every place shut down for the Gosselins? Cause where I live we have to pay to get in, wait in line, take our turn and learn how to deal with the general public.

Anonymous said...

I had to do this in bullets to try and cover a lot:

A. It was not their birthday, which probably accounts for the no "happy birthday." The cupcakes were not a birthday cake, they were something extra. They said it was an extra little fun thing they were doing.

B. The twins did not eat their cupcakes in front of the tups, they specifically said they had to do it while the tups weren't looking so they wouldn't be jealous.

C. After all the complaining about how Cara and Mady would be left out at these things with the tups, Kate and Jon pointed out that the twins not only got to make a cake (a more mature project) but also a cupcake. Which they were allowed to eat because they were more mature and could be trusted (and it was less likely to ruin their dinner because they eat more).

D. Kate and Jon had nothing to do with Hannah being fed, that was all Mady. So blame Mady for Hannah actually getting her cupcake and not Jon or Kate.

E. It is not in my opinion, in any way shape or form, abusive to withhold a cupcake from a child because they did not finish enough of their dinner. It is a normal rule in my house that you eat an acceptable amount of dinner before they eat dessert (as I pointed out before this wasn't their birthday cake, maybe they did make an exception for their cake, we don't know). I do not know a single professional who would think that is abusive.

Anonymous said...

Excuse me what about last year when the tups turned 3, Kate said that they are SOOOO grateful (as they should be) that the tups are happy and healthy that every year it's their birthday, they go all out. Remember?? Whatever happened to that? I swear that lady should be diagnosed as a clinical narcissist. She has all of the classic symptoms. I have stopped watching the show but I still come here to read the comments and this is just absurd what is going on. When is all of this going to stop? Should we contact TLC?

Anonymous said...

Maybe they had a little party and it was just held somewhere that the cameras couldn't follow - for once.

Barbara said...

And don't you all just find it outrageously ridiculous that Kate keeps talking about how sad she is that they are growing up? What??? Do you all remember the night of the attorney setting up a will? They mentioned that a family member and a friend were to be the guardians, so that would have to be Kevin and Beth. Now that they are gone from their lives, who does that leave. Especially since they insist that all 8 be kept together. That's a great plan but how many strangers are going to be willing to take on 8 spoiled, rich, bratty kids. I realize Kate and Jon have made them that way, but still, having Mady alone would be horrific!

Anonymous said...

There was a lot that was disturbing on display last night in the series of J&K+8 episodes that were shown. First of all it is pretty safe to say that any and all scenarios we see filmed with the family at this point are producer driven. I'm not sure much sincerity exsists anymore within the Gosselin family. Of course no 4 year old opts to drive to a bakery in Phila over a carnival. It also goes without saying that Kate has anxiety disorder and OCD. Both conditions were probably present before the tups, but the stress of the tups has greatly increased the intensity. The part I have trouble with is a lot of people seem to show undeserved sympathy for Jon. THe tups do seem to prefer Jon. He is much more easy going and I'd like to think he truly loves his children. But if his love was honest and pure, he would do what he could to cease with the TLC series. He would seek out those the family has turned their back on,ie. Jodi and company. He would insist Kate get help and if that was not follwed through, he would seek a divorce. That would be one case where a divorce might be helpful to the children in the long run if their mother continues to exploit and thurst her OCD's on her children. I have no sympathy for Jon. I'm not sure where he misplaced his balls or even more important, why he refuses to try and find them. I feel like he holds the solution to the tups and twins healthy futures in his hands. And all he continues to do is stare blankly into the camara, while things fall apart around him. Judging by his facebook, the only action he'll probably take in the immediate future is to a find a little somethin' somethin' on the side to alleviate is obvious frustration with his wife.
Oh and far more disturbing than "cupcakes denied" was the episode that followed where Kate threatened to throw one of the boy tups blankets away because it had gum on it. My stomach dropped watching the little boy cry for his "best friend". While Kate did her best "no more wirehangers ever" at the sink.

Anonymous said...

"A. It was not their birthday, which probably accounts for the no "happy birthday." The cupcakes were not a birthday cake, they were something extra. They said it was an extra little fun thing they were doing."

The show was advertised as 'the tups turn 4!'. To me this implies the bakery snooze is their birthday celebration. Singing 'Happy Birthday" would not have been out of order. Keeps the illusion intact. Perhaps the kids had a private party afterwards with gifts and singing. One can only hope.
This show must have been TLC's idea. What parents in their right minds would drive 75 miles with 8 kids to decorate a cupcake? An amusement park, yes. A bakery, NO.
Yes to an upthreader. Kate did appear rude in her comments on the bakery ladies. They were nice as can be and probably scared to death of her.

K.C. said...

I just recently found this site and this is my first post. Although I have many opinions I am only going to comment on the one thing I haven't noticed anyone else mention, (and because I'm afraid if I get started I won't be able to stop).

In reference Anonymous' comment:

A. It was not their birthday, which probably accounts for the no "happy birthday." The cupcakes were not a birthday cake, they were something extra. They said it was an extra little fun thing they were doing.

I clearly heard Jon say "Happy Birthday guys" in the background at the very end of the show when the boys were watching the girls eat their cupcakes. No song, no cupcake, just a half-hearted "Happy Birthday guys".

PLEASE tell me someone else heard that too...

hezbree said...

In response to "anonymous" who said, "It's very weird to me that they live in this bubble. The older girls don't seem to have outside friends."

Perhaps we just don't see Mady and Cara's friends on the show because their parents don't let them go to Jon and Kate's to play. Who would want their children to be exposed to that? Certainly not me.

Anonymous said...

If indeed the tups "decided" to have this type of party, it was probably in response to Kate asking:

For this birthday, do you want a great big party that causes Mommy a lot of work and stress and makes her exhausted? Or do you want just us together doing family things?

iluveeyore said...

[QUOTE] I clearly heard Jon say "Happy Birthday guys" in the background at the very end of the show when the boys were watching the girls eat their cupcakes. No song, no cupcake, just a half-hearted "Happy Birthday guys".[QUOTE]

I think I heard him say that also. But I really thought he was being sarcastic!!! What a great dad!

Nancy said...

We know about Aunt Jodi not being on the show any more, but Julie has also said that ALL THE PEOPLE who could have made a difference in the kids' lives are now gone. Does this include not only Beth but NANA JANET the ironer? Carla the laundry helper/cabinet cleaner? Bev the laundry-folder? And Jon's nanny from his childhood, Joan? This sux!!!

Anonymous said...

A nugget of proof Julie is REAL:

Julie's blog referenced the new PA/babysitter, Jenny, on Sunday, July 6th @ 7:31am. Last night I paused on the calendar shot and "JENNY!" is written on it. That alone adds more credibility to Julie's blog in my eyes.

Anonymous said...

Kate and Jon had nothing to do with Hannah being fed, that was all Mady. So blame Mady for Hannah actually getting her cupcake and not Jon or Kate.

Kate had the fork in her hand sitting beside "Hannie", which leads one to believe she was feeding her. To further that impression, Mady comes over, takes the fork from Kate and says "you're welcome" then procedes to feed Hannah. So yes, Kate is responsible for her precious girl getting her cupcake.

There is some serious favoritism in that house and it is disgusting.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

Has anyone noticed the date of the initial entry in my blog? Yep--I couldn't take it any longer. Jodi and I were discussing the harassing I was receiving and there is very little doubt as to who was behind it. During our conversation, she told me she had to go down for the sextuplet’s party. I don't know if anyone else was there, but I do know that they did have a little party with Jodi and her family. Hope that helps to ease everyone's minds.

I asked her if they were filming, but at that point, Kate had already made her decision that Jodi could no longer be shown on camera--even if it were during a time where child care wasn't involved. I also think at that time they were taking a break from filming, so that could also be a reason. I know this is going to sound irrational or unbelievable, but Kate’s main argument when telling why she doesn’t want Jodi to be shown is “This is about US!”

So, for the sake of the kids, Jodi went down to their house, knowing that she had been replaced, knowing that Kate prevented her from being compensated for 2 yrs, suspecting that Jon was behind harassing me and trying to get me to be quiet by saying horrible things about her in public forums, and she did it with a smile on her face because she wanted to maintain whatever relationship with the kids that they would “allow”.

Back to the show…

I gave in and watched last night’s episode. Nothing in it really surprised me and it just reaffirmed the reason I stopped watching. I agree with how horrible it was and my heart breaks every time I watch. One thing I will comment on, which some others also noticed. My heart actually skipped a beat when I heard Kate make the comment "Well, they're crying so they haven't been abducted and not dead." She said it so flippantly, as if it were a joke. I know there is enough information out there that strangers are finding out where they live. J&K’s house is right by the main entrance into their neighborhood, and I think it is probably visible from the main road. Strangers have approached Jodi in front of her own house and her house if further back in the neighborhood and you have to actually drive by J&K’s house to get there. They show what their house looks like at the beginning of each episode. Just the thought of having my child abducted is terrifying, and our family/house isn’t shown on TV. How could she say something like that? I’m sorry, but that is SICK!!

Sorry my comments get so long. I’d also just like to quickly add that I really enjoy the posts from mediaguy, and everything he has to add is right on the mark.

Anonymous said...

I think one of the PP mentioned the fact that Kate told one of the boys, "Remind me not to eat anything you made." Even if she was grossed out by his dirty nails, she could have found a million ways to compliment his cupcake without eating it. I think every Mom has done this from time to time. What a hateful thing to say to any child!

I think her problem with the kids eating the fondant and edible food coloring is the fact that it was not organic. If you eat anything that is not organic, it will give you a tummy ache. I keep imagining Kate being pulled over for drunk driving and telling the officer, "But it's OK. It was only organic alcohol!"

Did anyone notice her grabbing one of the boys heads and kissing him (I think it was while they were loading the van). It looked so unnatural and forced. Almost painful for the poor kid who got his head grabbed and yanked back. Almost like someone told her that she needs to show affection to the boys and that was all she could muster up.

Anonymous said...

To clarify : Mady was seen feeding HANNAH only AFTER she (Mady) took over the task from KATE who was already seated next to HANNAH spoon feeding her like an infant. When Mady took the fork from Kate and as she proceeded to spoon feed 4 year old HANNAH she made the remark to Kate , 'you can thank me now'. The reason HANNAH got a cupcake had nothing to do with MADY or how much HANNAH did or didnt eat but everything to do with her being the obvious favored child. No way in hell would J or K with hold something as inviting as a cupcake from their precious HANNAH.
J & K and the footage made a point to express that of all the tups that were not eating an appropriate amount of dinner it was only HANNAH by way of spoon feeding that ate enough of her dinner to warrant the cupcake. There was no footage that confirmed how much the boys did or did not nor any attempt on the part of J , K or Mady encouraging them to eat by way of spoon feeding. While I will agree that there is nothing physically abusive about withholding dessert from a child. IMO, it is rather disturbing that a parent will go to such extremes as spoon feeding ONE child who thus as a result reaps the reward of a cupcake, to the exclusion of THREE other children.

Anonymous said...

I don't know how Hannah eats anything with all that hair in her face and falling in her food. Two choices, Kate: scissors or a ponytail (especially while eating)

FIONA said...

Gosh Barbara,

You do realize you are refering to a little girl, whose Mother is Kate Gosselin.

I think Mady is a winner. She is very bright and articulate. This little girl is not at fault for her behavior because her clueless parent's DO NOTHING to guide her. Nothing...except make fun of her, and say "that's Mady".

I would take Mady into my home in a second.

Remember people....this information is around forever. If you don't have encouraing and hopeful things to say about the kids, maybe it should not be said at all. JMO

FIONA said...

Yes, there is favortism. I have noticed Kate always picks up Hannah right away, as if Hannah is the only one that gets her. But maybe it is best that the kids aren't too emmotionally attached in this particular case.

aly-benji n siennas mom said...

OMG I saw that TOO ("JENNY!" on the calendar) I thought I was going nutty LOL. Kate took the prize yesterday calling her two oldest daughters behavior "stupid". And making the boys cry for THEIR BIRTHDAY cupcake! Regardless if it was their bday or not for "show purposes" the boys should've had eaten the cupcakes!! OH and another thing that really bothered me was when she told Collin something like look at your nails gross "remind me not to eat anything you make" how can you say that to YOUR 4year old SON!!!!! My son is turning 5 in Oct. and I cherish everything he might make, draw/create for me!!!! Kate needs help FAST! For the well-being of those kids! It’s really sad that TLC aired this extremely sad!

FIONA said...

BLAME MADY!!! HELLLOOO! Who is the parent here? This was not Mady's fault. For all we know, her perception of Mother's favorite would be to try and help her. Thus, staying on Mother's good side. Who knows?

Anonymous said...

A. It was not their birthday, which probably accounts for the no "happy birthday." The cupcakes were not a birthday cake, they were something extra. They said it was an extra little fun thing they were doing.

Ehhhhh! Bullshit - total nonsense. Kate - is this your post??? This was their birthday celebration in lieu of a big party! There is no other way to spin it! Oh and Jon has caught the venom - check out his face when he says no dessert. God help them. The way they coddled Hannah was beyond comprehension and then to see Joel sitting one foot away with a longing look just solidifies how sick Kate is and how enabling Jon has become. I guarantee you that when they had the big carnival last year (more for mommy scaryist) she allowed them a ton of junk food and did not enforce this dinner rule that she pulls out of her ass to justify her abuse. And yes, the treatment of the children in this episode was abusive totally abusive. There is so much underlying anger it is truly scary.

B. The twins did not eat their cupcakes in front of the tups, they specifically said they had to do it while the tups weren't looking so they wouldn't be jealous.

Lordy be who is writing this poo?!?! Pleeeaase tell me when the twins and the 'tups were in separate rooms during the decorating? Answer is never. How stealth was Mady in eating her said cupcake as she had orange buttercream smeared all over her face. Are they really saying that the tups couldn't turn in the direction of the camera crew and the commotion and not see their sister eating her cupcake? There is absolutely no consistency in their thoughts or actions as parents.

E. It is not in my opinion, in any way shape or form, abusive to withhold a cupcake from a child because they did not finish enough of their dinner. It is a normal rule in my house that you eat an acceptable amount of dinner before they eat dessert (as I pointed out before this wasn't their birthday cake, maybe they did make an exception for their cake, we don't know). I do not know a single professional who would think that is abusive.

tee hee...a single professional what? A masochist? Sorry but it is abusive to change rules on a whim to justify punishments. It would have been different if they said "Do you want to try to finish so you can have your cupcake?" But it was with a wave of a dismissive hand that she said Joel didn't even try. I would say her feelings for her boys borders on derision. Oh and the way she went on and on about how anything the children made would be infested and yet, I have never been able to discern what the hell they eat! It always looks like pig slop! So hypocritical - reminds me of the rule to not step barefoot on a hotel rug to only then see her standing barefoot in a gas station a la Britney Spears! Kate is abusive and I can find you a plethora of "professionals" who would attest to that.

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned seeing a shot of the family calendar on the wall. I noticed that as well. Does this family or the producers of the show care AT ALL about the safety of these kids?! No one should be able to figure out the routine of this family!!!! WAKE UP JON, Kate, and JEN!!!!!

I occasionally read the blog of a certain family of with a pair of formerly conjoined twins. The parents are very careful not to post where they are going to be and when. They don't even let people know the dates of upcoming surgeries for their children's safety. They post about things after they happen, but never before.

PLEASE BE MORE CAREFUL - the people posting here all have your kids' best interest at heart, but there are some real weirdos out there!

my3girls said...

Took another look at this episode and I noticed a couple of things..

- on J&K's refrigerator calendar shown at the beginning of the show, it said the 10th, happy bday.. bounce u and dinner. so, the question is.. did they go to bounce u for their real bday celebration? However, if J&K were in Maryland as someone mentioned, did J&K take the tups to bounce u or did someone else?

- Unless I'm wrong about the dates, it would seem that bakerygate day would have been May 11th, which was also Mother's day. There was no mention or celebration of mother's day.. could that account for the vicious behavior?? Remember Kate's comment on girls day out.. that it would be great to have the kids make pottery gifts for mother's day? I didn't see any mother's day gifts. Does anyone know the date of bakerygate?

Anonymous said...

About the mention of the calender...I also noticed that the following week, Carla's name was written on it as well. I am assuming she is still a babysitter for them.

Anonymous said...

Truth,

I've been enjoying reading both your blog and comments here. I have a few questions:

1) Based on your comment that Jodi did spend the 'tups birthday with them, it would seem that Kate has *not* cut her out of their lives completely as others seem to think. Did Jodi get to see them only because it was a special occassion, or does she still babysit them but just off-camera?

2) Any idea what is behind the strange and constant favoritism of Hannah?

3) I'm confused as to what exactly to think of Jon. On some episodes it would seem that he's as fed up with Kate as the rest of the world, but then he harrasses you for speaking the truth. It seems so contradictory.

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

"tee hee...a single professional what? A masochist? Sorry but it is abusive to change rules on a whim to justify punishments. It would have been different if they said "Do you want to try to finish so you can have your cupcake?" But it was with a wave of a dismissive hand that she said Joel didn't even try. I would say her feelings for her boys borders on derision. Oh and the way she went on and on about how anything the children made would be infested and yet, I have never been able to discern what the hell they eat! It always looks like pig slop! So hypocritical - reminds me of the rule to not step barefoot on a hotel rug to only then see her standing barefoot in a gas station a la Britney Spears! Kate is abusive and I can find you a plethora of "professionals" who would attest to that."

A couple of things: If you rewatch the scene where she is in the gas station (on the disney trip) she is actually wearing thin flip flop like sandals. They don't eat what kids make not because they don't know what it is but because kids don't yet understand that you don't wipe your nose with your hands then use your hands to make something. I agree that they should be teaching them that cleanliness is paramount when cooking, but I probably wouldn't eat something a four year old made either. Because you can't tell what they are eating it is pig slop and they should eat something that potentially has snot in it? It is not abusive to withhold a cupcake because they didn't eat enough dinner. Ask any Dom Rel judge, they will not order a modification or removal because a parent withheld a cupcake. I can 100% promise you, if a judge is offered that particular offense (not withstanding ANY OTHER offense, which I'm still not so sure is abusive but that's another story) it would be thrown out in a heartbeat.

Anonymous said...

I gotta say that since this season, Kate has taught me how NOT to mother. Everytime I see my 2.5 year old son playing by himself while I sit on the couch or cooking, I feel like this is what Kate would do and start to feel bad and I go and play with him. When he throws his tantrums, and boy are they MIGHTY ones too, I look to Aunt Jodi as to how she handled Mady and I get down to his eye level and speak in a very soft voice. I avoid "time-out" as much as I can, as this is what Kate would do (WWKD = What Would Kate Do). So, I guess there is good in this show. Sad but true!

Anonymous said...

"In response to "anonymous" who said, "It's very weird to me that they live in this bubble. The older girls don't seem to have outside friends."

Perhaps we just don't see Mady and Cara's friends on the show because their parents don't let them go to Jon and Kate's to play. Who would want their children to be exposed to that? Certainly not me."

I do recall an earlier episode (maybe season 2 or 3) where Kate would not allow the girls to call their friends or talk to their friends on the phone at home. I think her resoning was that at their age and they spend all day at school with their friends home time should be family time. While I don't totally disagree with that, maybe another reason why the kids don't have friends over could be because it might tire out Kate evenmore to have more kids in her home making horrible messes and disrupting the order of how things run. Or maybe she won't let any kids over because they might interrupt her nap. Poor woman is just exhausted from supervising the folding of her laundry and putting away of her laundry, or maybe telling the chef how and what to cook organically....the list goes on and on.

Ruth said...

"It is not abusive to withhold a cupcake because they didn't eat enough dinner. Ask any Dom Rel judge, they will not order a modification or removal because a parent withheld a cupcake. I can 100% promise you, if a judge is offered that particular offense (not withstanding ANY OTHER offense, which I'm still not so sure is abusive but that's another story) it would be thrown out in a heartbeat."

True enough. But there are a million ways that parents can do serious psychological damage to their children without ever meeting the legal standard for abuse, just as a person can suffer from severe mental illness yet still not be able to use an insanity defense. Just because it wouldn't stand up in court doesn't make it right.

Anonymous said...

Just because something isn't bad enough for the children to be removed from the home, doesn't mean that it's not bad enough that it leaves a lasting scar on their childhood memories.

There are a lot of crappy parents out there that would never lose their kids. There are also a lot of crappy parents out there with grown children harboring a lot of resentment towards them. Jon and Kate may end up in the same position as their parents...banished from their children's lives.

Anonymous said...

Has is been positively confirmed that the family now has a chef? If so, besides supervision of the help, what is Kate's role in this family?

Anonymous said...

Even if we take "abuse" out of the mix, it is not unnecessarily cruel to have a standing rule of "you have to eat most of your dinner in order to get dessert." We have heard previously that this is the rule in the house (re: monkey munch). Parents can disagree as to what parenting choices are good and bad and this one, in my mind, is not bad. I disgree with having studio lighting in the house, I wish Kate would get help for serious anxiety issues, but I won't crucify them for refusing to give them dessert when they know the house rule is to eat dinner in order to get dessert. I highly doubt that such an action will cause permanent psychological damage. I do this in my house, also. No need to clean the plate but she must have at least a majority of the healthier things before she eats pudding, a cookie, etc.

I think this has turned into whatever happens on the show, the main players (usually Kate) will be villanized. This makes me really sad, because I respected the original purpose of the blog and agreed with it. This has turned into a burn book, all the posts are about smearing and the comments have followed right along. The comments have gone from rational (no more studio lighting) to irrational (not letting a child eat a cupcake is abuse). I realize not everyone feels this way, and not all comments have been that, but the tenor of the conversation has changed. There's no need to flame, I know how everyone here feels when a mirror is held up without twenty posts jumping on me. This is all JMO.

Anonymous said...

After last night's episode, how could any normal, reasonable person think that K is not seriously disturbed? And, I had the opportunity to see the "gum" episode as a re-run following the show. I had not seen it before and I was equally horrified. I cannot believe a mother would talk to her child the way K talked to Collin. She was cold, cruel, calculating. Is she trying to annihilate those kids emotionally or what? And to call Jodi and get so bent out of shape about a piece of gum stuck to a bear? I had trouble going to sleep last night - it was just too disturbing. She is turning into Sybil's mother...

aly-benji n siennas mom said...

Yes I would also like to know where the "CHEF" rumor came form. Is it 150% sure? Or just speculation???

Anonymous said...

A year ago at the birthday carnival, Kate made a comment about eating all that junk food saying she didn't like it but it was their birthday so it was ok. Now, fast forward one year later and they are not even allowed to eat ONE cupcake at the bakery? I really don't think this is about not getting a cupcake because they didn't eat their dinner. Something does not make sense here.

Also, I agree with poster that the kiss on one of the boy tups head while putting him in car looked contrived. She TRIES to do damage control but she just can't stick to it.

Serena said...

I would also like to know where the "CHEF" rumor came form.

Jodi's sister talks about it in her blog.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know where this new house is they are supposedly moving to or when they are moving?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, 12:00. I agree with and believe in dinner rules. I take offense with J & K being too lazy to change the kids' clothes so they could enjoy making and eating their cupcakes at the bakery.

When she was talking to Leah they went over what was going to happen, what do we do?, We decorate the cupcake, and then what? We Eat it. The whole dinner/dessert fiasco could have been avoided if they could have just eaten them there-and not worried about their precious clothes. It's poor planning, and neurosis and just too controlling. Previous posters have mentioned, this is a family that has ice cream for dinner once a year. I think by the time they drove 75 minutes home, the cupcakes would not have spoiled their appetites. I don't think it was about that, it was the "mess". Put an adult sized t-shirt over their cothes, and an apron, and they are fine. It just bugs me that it was all about their fancy, (usually free) clothes.

Anonymous said...

I kept tuning in and out of cupcake-gate, but what was with Jon and Kate snickering at the kid's cupcake creations? Because they were "germy"? It seemed it happened twice, but I could be wrong (now you know I'm not KG!). Whatever that was, it looked immature and unkind, not just for Kate but for Jon as well. Last night's show was dark and weird. Yes, to a previous poster, it's easy to focus on Kate's foibles and lose track of what's important here, the kids, but there's an ongoing current of behavior from Jon and Kate that is disturbing. It's not just about who should eat a cupcake when. It's an escalation of barely controlled contempt that cannot lead to any happy outcome.

FIONA said...

I think we all expected another huge birthday. You are celebrating 6 individuals. And at 4, I think it should have been whopping big! Kate said herself last year that birthdays were such a big deal because it marked how far they had come. If the reason they didn't have a party was because they were out of town, well, let's just say I am not surprised. I loved how each kid got sung too individually! They was a tear-jerker. But the whole lame bakery day was surely not a celebration.

Anonymous said...

J/K stated that the cupcakes were not their birthday cake, they had a family birthday as well. This was a fun extra thing. They also mentioned (in addition to not wanting the clothes messy) that they didn't want to spoil their appetites. Ice cream for dinner every once in a while is fine, but if we saw sweets replacing dinner often we would (again) get the "Kate is so terrible for giving her kids so much sugar." Instead she decided to wait until after dinner, then giving them the treat. I can't decide which people want, less sugar, stricter rules, fewer rules, more consistency, less consistency. She can't win for losing.

Serena said...

I can't decide which people want, less sugar, stricter rules, fewer rules, more consistency, less consistency

My main objection is not with the rule per se, but how it was handled. Hannah was spoon-fed first by Kate herself, then Mady, to make her eligible for a cupcake.

The boys' plates were removed apparently without a word because they seemed stunned when they were told they couldn't have dessert. There was no additional coaxing or reminding before the plates were removed, no offer to have one more chance to eat enough, nothing.

It looked to me like Kate just needed a way to get revenge for being forced into a situation she wanted no part of -- she fought back by using defenseless children as pawns and "punishing" them for what production required of her.

Anonymous said...

I reread Jodi's sister's blog. Sounds like Kate does have a chef-Jodi's parents have eaten food prepared by him/her. Just more lies by Kate wanting us to believe that she cooks for her kids. The lady sure can lie with a straight face. Has anyone been keeping track of all the obvious lies that she tells the viewers and her church audiences. I've lost count.
People need to wise up. Look at the facts and decide for yourselves. Don't wait for Jon and Kate to tell the truth. They're too busy enjoying the gravy train.

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure Kate would know a good meal from a tube of toothpaste. It's not about sugar, organic, treats, syrup or anything else edible. It's about control. As long as Kate is able to control what her kids and "fat" Jon eat or don't eat, that's what the rule of the moment is.

Anonymous said...

"When she was talking to Leah they went over what was going to happen, what do we do?, We decorate the cupcake, and then what? We Eat it."

This poster hit the nail on the head about what I thought was so wrong with this episode. The whole day was planned around going to the cupcake bakery and making cupcakes and, dare I say, eating cupcakes-- I'm sure we've all been in a bakery before and know the tantalizing smells. Now imagine you are there for an hour or more and then imagine that trays of cupcakes are brought out for you to decorate and NOW imagine that you are FOUR and your mother tells you you can't eat a cupcake after all of that. This isn't some typical day's jello pudding dessert-- this is different. These cupcakes were dangled in front of those kids and then yanked away by Jon and Kate and their subjective rules. I think its cruel. No one would treat their friends or other adults like that (well maybe Kate would but at least an adult can tell her off) and its not OK to treat your kids like that just because you can. Of course you should make your kids eat something healthy before you give them junk but I think a little flexibility is important here given the excitement from the day. At least listen to Joel's impassioned pleas that he did, in fact, "eat his chicken" and give the poor kid another shot.

green said...

I saw that Jon made a point to say that the boys did not ask about the cupcakes the next night. In the original response to the boys on the night of their “birthday”, they were told they could not eat their cupcakes. Then all three were not excused from the table but crying and despondent sat at the table to watch their sisters eat cupcakes. They looked very upset and almost looked like they were in shock. Maybe, the next night, they were to scared to ask not knowing what kind of reaction they would get or thought their cupcakes were thrown away (like Cara and Mady’s cake from a previous episode). Maybe the reason why the boys did not ask was because they are taught not to ask for anything twice or they get a time-out (ex. Alexis and the bagel). I don’t think the next night, Jon and/or Kate would be in any rush to remind them about it or give it to them anyway because then what would the girls eat. You know Kate won’t let the girls (especially Hannah) sit at the table and watch the boys eat their cupcake when the girls don’t have any to eat.

In my opionion, the girls are continually favored over the boys. In some cases from what I observe about the show, Kate’s displays of affection to the boys seem forced and unnatural like she does it for the cameras because it is expected, or she does it because the boys do something for her (like Collin the helper boy) or if they do something to make Kate look good (the way she dresses them up like matching dolls to look “cute”). I realize this is a highly inflammatory statement to make, but I can’t help my opinion especially after viewing last night’s episode. As they are getting into the van after church, she grabs one of boys, jerks his head around and kisses him. I give her some credit for that, but it was so abrupt that I thought the same thought must be running through my mind and that boy’s, “What are you doing to my/his head?!” She didn’t want to sit at the table that not only did not have Hannah, but had two of the boys and Alexis instead. She was highly critical and demeaning at the bakery (Collin and his dirty nails) and didn’t seem to interact with anyone other than to say don’t eat and don’t get dirty/messy. At home, two of the boys are crying outside and she makes no effort to see what the problem is but dismisses it with a comment about not being kidnapped or dead. She (then Mady) feeds Hannah enough to get her cupcake but doesn’t give the same chance to any of the boys.

Not a Sheeple said...

At least listen to Joel's impassioned pleas that he did, in fact, "eat his chicken" and give the poor kid another shot.

And there you have it. Once again in life I treat my cat better than Kate treats her boys. I wouldn't dangle a treat in front of my aged cat and then pull it away from him arbitrarily like that. And yes it was arbitrary since she cajoled at least one of the girls into meeting her capricious standard. Those poor kids don't stand a chance of knowing the rules. It was just a couple or so weeks before this when they were allowed ice cream for dinner.

FIONA said...

It looked to me like Kate just needed a way to get revenge for being forced into a situation she wanted no part of -- she fought back by using defenseless children as pawns and "punishing" them for what production required of her.


You know we will be seeing Aaden's reaction all over the place now, because HE WAS SURPRISED! Those kids have always SEEMED to be good eaters. And what about the "you don't have to clean your plate" rule...or you have to eat most of it, or at least the meat....no wonder they are confused. I think she was pissed off about something with her icky boys. JMO...

I thought it was wierd that was the only thing during interview they both actually agreed with. It was if that answer was rehearsed. Something fishy about that....

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

To answer the question about Jodi being "cut off"...

When Kate initially told Jodi that she could no longer be part of the show, she told her that she'd like to give her a part-time job. Jodi was going to continue to watch the kids during the filming of the interviews and some of the weekends they were gone for speaking engagement. That conversation happened late April/early May. I told Jodi to prepare herself, because I really didn't believe that would happen. So at the time of their bday, Jodi was under the impression that she would still be watching the kids, but it would be off camera. There was never a big blow up or falling out from Kate's decision. Jodi accepted it and she was happy to continue to do whatever Kate would allow.

A few weeks later, Kate told Jodi that Jenny needed more hours for her contract, so Jodi was no longer needed. Kate hasn't come out and told Jodi she can't see the kids, but it just doesn't work into their "schedule". So when I say she's been cut off, I mean that she isn't actively involved in the kids lives. She won't be traveling with them and she's not watching them. She now won't be able to intervene or have direct knowledge of situations. I know that several weeks went by and she hadn't even seen or talked to them. That just shows me how much Kate really did value their "relationship".

Barbara said...

You're right Fiona. I really was letting a little anger at Kate cause me to say that about Mady. I do think Mady is a brat because Kate has allowed it to happen. I also think any other mother could have Mady and teach her right from wrong behavior with love and Mady would be a different person, still with her strong personality but with it aimed in the right direction. But she doesn't have a chance with Kate. I feel very sorry for them all. Last night showed Kate in the worst possible light.

Fairy said...

Oh that stinks Truth, but sadly, predictable. Her joy spending time with then came across on camera. I hope for the children's sake she becomes more available for Kevin and Jodi.

Anonymous said...

Truth,

Love your blog. I think it is so sad what has happened to Jodi. She was certainly a voice of calm and reason and I loved seeing her with the G kids. If people could comment on your blog, I'm sure you would hear alot of support. Keep going, Girl!

Renee said...

It was not their birthday, which probably accounts for the no "happy birthday." The cupcakes were not a birthday cake, they were something extra. They said it was an extra little fun thing they were doing.

I think the cupcakes should be an extra EXTRA fun little thing because they were forced into doing the bakery shenanigans in the first place.

Also, it is so wrong to begrudge the breadwinners of the family an extra extra cupcake!

Anonymous said...

Not sure if anyone has brought this up, but in a previous "going to church" episode, the kids are all wearing regular clothes, just shirts and shorts, they aren't all dressed up. So why did they have to be dressed up today, especially when they were going to decorate cupcakes afterwards?

This episode really was over-the-top.

Renee said...

- on J&K's refrigerator calendar shown at the beginning of the show, it said the 10th, happy bday.. bounce u and dinner. so, the question is.. did they go to bounce u for their real bday celebration? However, if J&K were in Maryland as someone mentioned, did J&K take the tups to bounce u or did someone else?

When I was watching a rerun of Leah's day I was thinking Bounce U would be fun for all the kids for a birthday celebration, preferably with other kids they know, friends and family, and maybe a little buffet and music.

At this point, even if it was just the kids and some helpers (while J&K were away begging for money), THAT would be better than the abuse we saw demonstrated in their "birthday" episode.

WatchingFromTheSidelines said...

Anonymous (noon): I think this has turned into whatever happens on the show, the main players (usually Kate) will be villanized. This makes me really sad, because I respected the original purpose of the blog and agreed with it. This has turned into a burn book, all the posts are about smearing and the comments have followed right along. The comments have gone from rational (no more studio lighting) to irrational (not letting a child eat a cupcake is abuse). I realize not everyone feels this way, and not all comments have been that, but the tenor of the conversation has changed. There's no need to flame, I know how everyone here feels when a mirror is held up without twenty posts jumping on me. This is all JMO.

Word. Except that it's not all the posts, just many/most of them.

I think it's easy to see all bad all the time because once one has decided to dislike someone one starts to watch looking for faults and examples that reaffirm our opinion. I'll admit that there are lots of questionable things seen on the show and many things I think I would do differently in their situation, but I think the tone and dramatic words used in many posts are just plain over-the-top.

Most importantly, the charges of cruelty and abuse. If one has experienced or seen real cruelty and abuse firsthand, I think the difference is obvious.

Anonymous said...

this episode broke my heart, my oldest son was watching it, and he made the comment that it was a real live "The Truman Show". I really hope they get to go to preschool to get some peace.
I did write to TLC and got one auto response, and one response that said they were fwding it on to the right people, I hope they do.

Lauri said...

I have left several comments on here and they were not nasty and they were related to the topic yet because I like the Gosselins and don't agree with the criticism my comments are never posted. Seems only fair to hear other opinions.

Not a Sheeple said...

Lauri said...
I have left several comments on here and they were not nasty and they were related to the topic yet because I like the Gosselins and don't agree with the criticism my comments are never posted. Seems only fair to hear other opinions.

Were your posts under Lauri or anonymous?

I checked the log for the last day and this is the only Lauri comment that I saw. It does help the moderators a bit when people use a unique name.

Anonymous said...

"After last night's episode, how could any normal, reasonable person think that K is not seriously disturbed?"

I don't think Kate's disturbed. There were things I took issue with in last night's episode, but I think the sturm und drang (per usual) is way over the top. The comparison to a child murderer is particularly offensive.

It was said several times that the "don't make a good try with dinner=no dessert" is a standing rule, so it seems unlikely that the boys were surprised by it. The whole thing seems like much ado about nothing to me.

Serena said...

Anonymous @ 12:00 p.m. said: I think this has turned into whatever happens on the show, the main players (usually Kate) will be villanized. This makes me really sad, because I respected the original purpose of the blog and agreed with it. This has turned into a burn book, all the posts are about smearing and the comments have followed right along. The comments have gone from rational (no more studio lighting) to irrational (not letting a child eat a cupcake is abuse). I realize not everyone feels this way, and not all comments have been that, but the tenor of the conversation has changed.

WatchingFromTheSidelines @ 3:15 p.m. said:I'll admit that there are lots of questionable things seen on the show and many things I think I would do differently in their situation, but I think the tone and dramatic words used in many posts are just plain over-the-top.

I think your points are well-taken. Last night's episode was excruciatingly painful to watch for such a variety of reasons, and it seems like everyone latched on to one or another particular focal point that was especially disturbing to them.

This episode alone has, by far, generated the most comments -- over 160 in a 24-hour period. So from reading the comments on this one blog entry one could get a skewed impression, I think, of the overall tone of the blog.

We are a small staff of core contributors who post and comment here, but we have quickly been outnumbered by non-staff participants. Out of the 79 blog entries and 1,353 comments to date, I believe those who defend Kate and those who don't criticize her as passionately as others are well-represented.

However, your point is not lost and we are constantly re-evaluating our policies governing which comments get published and which comments get rejected. We have too much invested in what is at stake here to let this blog deteriorate into, as you aptly put it, a "burn book".

Anonymous said...

I just can't stand this show anymore. There is so much tension between Kate and Jon that it makes me, as a viewer, very uncomforatable. I can't imagine what it feels like to the crewmen, or worse- the children.

If this was a true birthday celebration why not let them have the cupcake- heck let them have one at the bakery and one later. They are kids and this was supposed to be their special day. They all scream at the top of their lungs and run around anyway, surely a little sugar (non-organic or organic) can't make that much of a difference for one day.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
When ones own phobias, compulsions, neurosis, and obssessions reach a point where they are a constant source of interference, disruption, and infringment on a child's ability to participate in and embrace any resemblence of quality of life then its time to get THERAPY ASAP! Yes, I am referring to you KATIE IRENE ! Imposing your neurosis, compulsions, and obsessions on your children SEASON after SEASON is so beyond disturbing. These innocent children came in to this world a clean slate. You, Kate have selfishly
corrupted them with your self serving neurosis, obsessions, and compulsions that IMO at some point they will require therapy to erase all the damage that you have so self righteously imposed on them! Shame on Jon for turning a blind eye and allowing it to continue and shame on TLC for exploiting it to suit their own agenda!

Total WORD to this post!!! As a parent, you owe your children the best you can give them. NOT seeking help for a problem (emotional or physical) at the expense of your kids is reprehensible.

Jon, get your wife some help. She's not going to do it on her own. TOUGH LOVE, man!!!

Whatis going on? said...

Question: (On the calendar it has May 4th: 3 girls at Jodi's and 3 boys at Beth's.) Are we being played?

I am led to believe that there is clearly a rift between Kate and Jodi and Kate and Beth but if so why are the kids still spending the day there? (It even said: until 9:30 or 10:00!)

Anonymous said...

Someone said: "Not sure if anyone has brought this up, but in a previous "going to church" episode, the kids are all wearing regular clothes, just shirts and shorts, they aren't all dressed up. So why did they have to be dressed up today, especially when they were going to decorate cupcakes afterwards?"

Both Church episodes featured the boys in shorts and tops, and the girls in sundresses. Also - could this episode have been shot on Mother's Day? I think that is a possibility and it would explain why they were dressing nicely for Church.

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate are adults (well, chronologically) and can defend themselves. The burn victims here are the kids they use to lead a lavish, lazy lifestyle that gets more excessive each season--sorry, year. I don't apologize for my criticism of this show. Jon and Kate and their shrinking group of supporters can whine all they want about how mean their critics are. Why would anyone feel the need to validate these two grim, greedy people?

Char~ said...

My thoughts and opinions (scattered as they may be)

This whole episode makes me so angry! I felt horrible for those little boys. What is the point in making cupcakes and then not getting to eat them. A memory? Some memory that will be! I was waiting for them to banish them to the corner for crying!! Even Jen seemed shocked (by the tone of her voice). She sat there and fed her precious Hannie dinner, so she wouldn't miss out and probably thought to herself screw the boys, that's what they get for being boys and being all icky and gross.

Also, who's responsibility is it to clean the boys/kids nails so they aren't dirty? Uh, the parents, right? Duh, maybe instead of saying how gross and dirty their fingernails are, they should get up off their butts and wash their hands. Who doesn't make sure their hands are clean when they are eating or making food. If Kate doesn't teach her kids how to wash their hands before dinner, is she herself washing hers while she's preparing it. In my opinion, don't complain about dirty nails and not feel as if its your fault. I have four boys and if their hands and nails are dirty *I* make sure it gets taken care of. Why complain about something that is essentially your fault!?

And the whole they need to eat something in order to get the cupcake, because they want the kids to eat (maybe for nutritional value?), but in another episode she mentioned that there were kids who weren't eating dinner because their naps/or no naps are messing with their schedule. So if its that important that they eat something, then why make a big deal out the other episode and the fact that some of them aren't eating because they are tired and falling asleep at dinner?

I think NOT being home on the tups birthday is so very telling! Those kids are just meal tickets to Jon and Kate. How sad! They act like spoiled little BRATS (and I'm not referring to the kids). They have everything handed to them and they still aren't happy! They get free food, free clothes, free cars (maybe even free gas) money, free surgeries and they still aren't happy! They have everything in the world and they still bitch about all the hard stuff they have to go through, and how hard it is to have 8 children and how exhausting their lives are and how stained their teeth are from drinking coffee so they can stay awake, and how they don't have furniture for everyone to sit on and they still aren't happy! What in the world will make them happy?! She acted like the people at the bakery was so beneath her.

I noticed in the interview chair that Jon didn't have his arm around Kate, as usual. He looked like he was trying to get as far away from her as possible, and she looked as if she was trying to get away from him as well. And we never, ever see her hit him anymore, no more "love taps" that I think she considered fun and flirty. What's up with that? I know they are crappy people, but I still would hate to see them get divorced when they have all those children. But it doesn't look good! Her constant harping on his weight, no wonder he was getting pissed and trying to talk back. Does anyone remember that not only did she have a tummy tuck, but she had liposuction too. I guess she forgot about that. I think if Jon does lose all the weight and looks as though she wants him too, she will still find something else to bitch about.

Kate has been shown holding Leah more often, I guess to prove a point that she holds more than just Hannah. Why can't she show love to her little boys. I would love to see footage of her just once holding Joel, Collin or Aaden.

Oh and one bright happy moment last night, was when Leah was spelling her name when she saw the apron. Now that was a cute moment! Too bad that rest of it was down right disgusting!

Serena said...

Question: (On the calendar it has May 4th: 3 girls at Jodi's and 3 boys at Beth's.) Are we being played?

That was over two months ago. The initial shock waves disrupted the participation of Beth and Jodi in the filming of the show -- in other words, they will no longer appear on the show doing what they've always done for the children. This leaves a huge gap that is now being filled by hired personnel (strangers to the children rather than beloved family and friends).

Whether or not Beth and/or Jodi hold on to enough shreds of the relationship to still be able to see the children off-camera remains to be seen.

Also - could this episode have been shot on Mother's Day? I think that is a possibility and it would explain why they were dressing nicely for Church.

Nope.

Saturday 05/10 - Tups' Birthday: the children were taken to Bounce U but not by Jon and Kate.

Sunday 05/11 - Mothers Day: Jon and Kate drive a 300-mile round trip to speak at Greensboro Baptist Church in Greensboro, Maryland.

Serena said...

I have left several comments on here and they were not nasty and they were related to the topic yet because I like the Gosselins and don't agree with the criticism my comments are never posted. Seems only fair to hear other opinions.

If you still have a copy of those comments, or if you can re-create the gist of them, please email them to me at serenaleighbell@yahoo.com so I can help elaborate what the reason may have been. I don't remember seeing any from a "Lauri", but it could have been another administrator who dealt with them.

momof6 said...

I'm new here and have been watching the show for a very short time. As a mom of six I find a lot of it pretty funny, but really unrealistic. The chef, house cleaners, sitters, nanny's, freebie everything... And then she talks about budget....

1) For the record I don't think it's abuse to not give a child a cupcake. I do however think it's cruel to not allow a child a cupcake that he/she made on their birthday!
2) Why were Cara and Mady allowed to eat the cupcakes at the bakery!!!
3) I did notice that at no time did anyone sing happy birthday and Idid not notice any presents for the kids.
4) If I bake or decorate with my kids ( and I have 6 of them) I put them in old clothes and get ready for a mess. I'm making real memories for my kids and I don't care if they get dirty or sticky. Kids can be washed and so can clothing. Most parents have play clothes for these occasions.
5) Ms. Gosselin was extremely rude to the workers in that bakery. I'm sure that the bakery was doing this for free and making comments about dirty fingernails to people who are assisting and playing with your children out of the kindness of their hearts is in my opinion both rude and innapropriate. In addition I found it disturbing that she was telling the kids the things they were making were yucking and making comments like "eww don't eat that.
6) I find the way Kate talks to her husband really upsetting. The poor guy is just trying to let kids be kids and he gets called names and treated like garbage.
7) There was a comment made at the end that was something like, "they didn't even miss their cupcakes, they didn't even ask for them the next day". Does this mean that those little guys had nothing to celebrate their birthday with??
8) I really wish Kate would quit demeaning John at every turn. I'd love to see what she would look like without all the freebie surgery and hand outs.

FIONA said...

Barbara,

No doubt Mady is an hand full! And you are right, most Mom's would channel her energy. Plus give her the attention she is so clearly starved for. What I love about Mady, is I really, really think she "gets" it, KWIM??? I think she understands the show is the money...I think she is fully aware of Hannah, the boys....the whole pecking order.

DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE-

Cara obviously isn't playing the piano anymore. Her fingernails are ghastly long. Mother didn't encourage her to practice...you see, she can't be bothered with even a simple piano practicing schedule. Either way, I guess if Cara wants long finger nails she gets them. Kate really isn't one to battle an issue with the kids its seems. What's going to happen when the kids need some real guidance and steering? Stupid question, Fiona!!!

I think the piano was an awesome idea...the rewards to Cara would have been great. No kid likes to practice. My mother made me take piano lessons first grade thru sixth...and I hated it. But I can still play and I am greatful she knew what was best for me.

iluveeyore said...

[Quote] 7) There was a comment made at the end that was something like, "they didn't even miss their cupcakes, they didn't even ask for them the next day". Does this mean that those little guys had nothing to celebrate their birthday with??[Quote]

How on earth would Jon and Kate KNOW that they didn't miss their cupcakes the next day? Don't you get sent to time out if you ask for something twice?

In STL, MO said...

I am very glad that I found this blog because I had begun to question some of the things I have seen on the show. I agree with most everyone's opinions on here, but I have one question that I would like to ask. If you were these children's pediatrician what would you say to these parents? Don't you think they would give them the opinion of that having the children filmed pretty much all the time (and especially during private moments) is not healthy to their environment? That it could be harming to them and have consequences for years to come? I find it hard to believe that someone in the medical community, or even in the education community has not mentioned such things to J & K. I will be curious to see if the tups do go to preschool next year (they should have been enrolled in some type of program a long time ago in my opinion), and how that works out.

Guinevere said...

It would be helpful it people would read the comments before commenting. To reiterate: it was not the sextuplet's birthday. The cupcakes were not their birthday cake. This was a whole separate day. The show promoted as "Sextuplets Turn 4!", but it seems that the family chose to celebrate the birthday this year privately. I would think that would be something that J&K's critics would be happy about, rather than complain about.

Anonymous said...

The issue is the boys NOT being given their cupcakes and the girls ate theirs in front of them. Onl top of that, Cara and Mady ate their in full view of the kids at the bakery and obviously, the ladies had made plans for the Tups to eat a cupcake there, also.

WatchingFromTheSidelines said...

Serena: However, your point is not lost and we are constantly re-evaluating our policies governing which comments get published and which comments get rejected. We have too much invested in what is at stake here to let this blog deteriorate into, as you aptly put it, a "burn book".

Thank you for your thoughtful response, Serena. For the record, I'm generally not a fan of heavy-handed monitoring of blogs and blog posts (Part of my problem with TWOP is that they were too heavy-handed in monitoring the discourse.) My comments were less about how the blog was being monitored and more about the comments themselves. It was more of an attempt to get posters to stop for second, catch their breath and guard against over-dramatizing. Honestly, when comments are overly dramatic I tend to start to question the intent and judgement of the posters (be that right or wrong on my part).

But again, thank you for your thoughtful response.

Serena said...

(Part of my problem with TWOP is that they were too heavy-handed in monitoring the discourse.) My comments were less about how the blog was being monitored and more about the comments themselves.

I see what you mean. We're not crazy about having to moderate either, but there it is.

Not sure what TWoP's objective was with its heavy-handedness, but even worse than that was its lack of consistency.

We do carefully read the comments before deciding which button to push -- not because we want to slant things but because we want to remain credible and readable.

So your comments and others of a similar concern are appreciated, as it is not always easy to remain objective when there is so much traffic.

Anonymous said...

This episode was the last straw for me as well. I can no longer watch these children suffer at the hands of their emotionally abusive, narcissistic mother. I cannot understand why any church would want to have this mean, spiteful woman and her passive and resentful husband dish out advice or information on how to raise children in a loving home after watching this show. I only pray that some of the thousands of dollars Jon & Kate "earn" will go towards counseling for their children who will surely need it in the years to come when they are watching the "memories" that their parents created for them on this show. Watching their mother belittle, torment, withhold affection, slap their father, and sarcastically state relief that they "arent abducted or dead" will certainly have a lasting impact on these poor children. I hope these two get help now before they cause permanent damage to their beautiful kids.

sabrinasmom said...

"Cara obviously isn't playing the piano anymore. Her fingernails are ghastly long."

I don't know if this was before or after the music episode, but I noticed Cara's fingernails in the cooking class episode and they were disgusting (ragged, different lengths). I find that interesting that Kate lets them stay in that state but always tells the little boys that theirs are "dirty".

Anonymous said...

I find it interesting that, unlike last year, this year's actual birthday celebration was *not* filmed. Instead, we have a producer-driven trip some time later to a bakery.

Does anyone know why TLC didn't just film them on their actual birthday? Was it a family decision (which would surprise me, since it doesn't seem like K&J know where to draw the lines), or did TLC simply think the real birthday footage was too boring?

The fact that the producers apparently pick such activities (decorating cupcakes, going to a pottery barn) for them to engage in almost makes me think they *want* Kate's buttons to be pushed.

Anonymous said...

I honestly think that some of the posters here may seem dramatic to some because they might have been watching carefully, for perhaps a long time and feel that Kate's behavior has reached alarming proportions and recognize that she is truly doing irreperable psychological and emotional damage to these children that can so easily be avoided. She is completely over the top and cannot even pretend to be other than she is, which is a monster. I am positive that what is exhausting to her is the constant harping and nagging yelling and controlling she feels compelled to do.

I think people who say that "withholding a cupcake" is no big deal are missing the point. Cruelty, favoritism and capriciousness are the norm in that house and I can completely see the tups ( esp the boys) walking on eggshells. Kate's attitude towards her kids (even her darling Hannah) is so cold and unloving and all her remarks are so cutting that I am sure they are all getting the message loud and clear that they are flawed, imperfect, dirty, bad, and will never live up to their mother's impossible standards. I think she is abusing them and alternately showing them affection in a very calculated way..to keep them emotionally tied to her. Jon is basically another kid and while he may be preferable between the two parents, I am sure that deep down the children all feel let down by him for allowing their mother to create such a hellish atmosphere of tension and to utterly dominate their lives and his.

I would not be surprised if there is no money from this show or their parents begging left for them at age 18 ... they may only get compensated if their parents pass away, but certainly not in their lifetimes... In fact I would not be surprised if Kate is socking a lot of it away in a private swiss bank account only she knows about. I believe she is a sociopath and people are objects to her ..objects who will either help or hinder her get what she wants. And what she wants will be everchanging and increasingly grandiose. I doubt they will even get money for therapy.

JON I IMPLORE YOU ...you are trapped in a sick situation with a monster and you need to get out and get your kids out! Please read some books on child development and the effect of chronic criticism and psych abuse. If this is alloweed to continue your children will be shadows of the beings they could have been were they allowed their birthright... calm, relaxed, joyful years to explore themselves and their purposes here on earth. Your wife has brainwashed you... she is not connected to GOD just because she abuses his name. She is all about abusing power. Her behavior is reaching psychotic proportions.

Anonymous said...

I happen to think that withholding the cupcake for the boys was unfair and to make them watch their sisters eat cupcakes had a touch of cruelty to it.

But to those who insist that rules are rules, and therefore the punishment must fit the crime -- if this were an isolated incident, I'd chalk it up to over-tired parents who made a bad decision. We all have done that. We see in retrospect that we over-reacted -- and hopefully apologize to our kids.

But the cupcake punishment is but the latest in a long line of bad parenting decisions. Of course, we start with the very premise of the show -- but we've seen it in the reaction at the Crayola factory, to a boy (Joel?) crying for his father, to threats to trash a treasured security object. The list grows daily.

I've got four kids. They're dirty, messy, exasperating, exhausting -- and the BEST thing I've ever been blessed to have happen in my life. ALL educational experts say that young children learn by doing. And perhaps one of Kate's worst parenting decisions is that she is unable to give her children the freedom to learn in the way they learn best.

Thanks for having this blog.

Anonymous said...

The reason you are not seeing a "friend" for Mady or Cara is that they (the show's producers) would probably either have to:

1. Get permission from other parents

2. Barring that blur the faces, where is the fun in that?

Plus if they do #1, more than likely BY LAW (and courtesy) the anonymous friends ought to be compensated - and since BLOOD RELATIVES cannot be paid, what makes anyone think she will allow a STRANGER!?!?!?!

Anonymous said...

This has been touched on a bit, but what stuck me as odd about this episode was the shoe inccident. Both Cara and Mady are crying that their shoes are too tight. Did anyone see Jon carrying the shoes out of church. Then J&K admitted that there was a 'sizing' problem adn Cara and Mady dont' wear those shoes much. Um, the SIZING problem was that they are growing girls and their FEET grow! and you have to get new shoes! I remember growth spurts when I was younger adn I'd grow out of something after wearing it once! Isn't it up to a PARENT to give kids teh right size clothes, shoes etc?

Veronica said...

I have had issues with the way that Kate has treated her children in the past. Obviously I can't even imagine how hard it is to raise 8 children, so I've always understood how she can be impatient and snap sometimes.

But it wasn't until this episode that I had a real problem with Kate. I feel that under no circumstances should you say that you're child is, "being stupid" about anything. That was such a negative thing for her to say and I hope that isn't something that she says often off camera.

Anonymous said...

Yes, the cupcake incident is not about reasonable rules on meals and desserts. It's not about the cupcakes not being real birthday treats. It's about Jon and Kate's smirking, complaining, whining, and arbitrary and cruel decisions about who is rewarded and who is punished. It's a crazy life, folks.

Anonymous said...

I love all the Nanny comments. I am a Nanny (to triplets) and I remember watching the episode where Kate was looking to hire a nanny... my boyfriend turned to me and said "If you had the chance, would you work for Jon & Kate?" ... "No" I quickly replied. I LOVE those kids, oh man...I wanna kiss their little faces right off! But I could NOT handle working for Kate! Even if I offered to get all the stains out of the laundry, she still wouldn't allow us to play in the grass! Ugh! She'd probably plan all "are" outings, and I'd be forced to take the kids to bakery's where they were not allowed to eat anything - or crayola factories where they were not allowed to touch markers. We'd come home one day with beautiful 4 yr old art work from the pottery place and Kate would look at the pieces in disgust...then fire me when she finds out I gave the kids gum!

Anonymous said...

Char~
I was also DISGUSTED by this episode.
Kate referred to the table with Hannah, Leah, and Aaden as "her table with her kids"... then went on to say she sat with Alexis, Collin, and Joel "I GUESS".
You guess? Are they not your children also?

Then there is a bunch of rehash already been covered about the cruelty in not giving the boys their cupcakes.

Then Kate insults Jon's weight. He responds, and she gets mad at him AGAIN for referring to his life in "seasons". I'm sure the only reason Jon referred to his life in seasons is because that's when her comments about his weight really started to EMBARRASS him...It's been 3 SEASONS that she's been making fun of his weight on Television. Before then, it probably didn't bother him so much. Duh, Kate.

Anonymous said...

I am new here. But I do think Kate is a little of her rocker. First, was Kate as upset with the damage of the wall at Kevin and Jodi's house as she was with the gum on the socks? I thought Beth's husband was now Jon's boss. Is it smart to cut off not only your friend but your boss' wife? Does anyone know about Kate's backgroung and childhood?

JULIE said...

I want to say that I am dissapointed in myself for ever watching this show. I miss Aunt Jodi and her husband Kevin. Remember the episode when Kate kept saying the babies are tired of going over to Aunt Jodis? Not really! The kids thrive at Aunt Jodis. I am sad that she won't be on the show anymore. We love you Aunt Jodi!

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

"Then J&K admitted that there was a 'sizing' problem adn Cara and Mady dont' wear those shoes much. Um, the SIZING problem was that they are growing girls and their FEET grow!"

Here's my guess on the shoe issue. I remember as I watched, that as they were showing the kids getting ready in the house, that one of the twins took off a sticker from the front of her dress. My immediate thought was--that must be the clothes from Gymboree. Jodi had told me that they are sent each article of clothing for each child from each line, along with all of the accessories to match. Once Jodi walked into their garage and it was full of boxes from Gymboree, and she's seen how stuffed their closets are.

I know that Gymboree labels the sizes on the clothes with a clear sticky strip running down the side of each article. I haven't rewatched the episode, so I could be mistaken, but I remember that stuck out as I was watching.

So I'm guessing that all of those outfits were probably never worn before and the shoe size that was sent was wrong, or they need to update the sizing with the company. They seemed to go on and on about the yellow outfits too, so I'm wondering if they are plugging the clothes for another reason, other than how cute they are?

Steph said...

I believe Kate is smack-dab in the middle of five kids. She has three sisters and a brother. Until recently, she had a good relationship with her brother, but she is not on speaking terms with at least one sister and not close with the other two. She is not on speaking terms with her parents, who are both living. Her dad is a teacher and minister. In fact, his church can be seen from Jon and Kate's house. They also own and run a campground. As I stated in an earlier post, her parents WERE in her life until shortly after the sextuplets were born.

I do believe Kate grew up lower-middle to middle class. Five kids on a teacher/minister's salary would probably be tight. She has also stated on the show that she did not travel or go on vacations. Her honeymoon at DisneyWorld was her very first flight.

I am also smack in the middle of three kids, so I know that middle kids have to occasionally strain to be heard. We have to compete with an older, more seasoned sibling as well as with a "baby" who might be spoiled. However, I do NOT believe that Kate was abused or neglected. Her other siblings seem to be reasonable.

Kate seems to have a "victim" mentality. I first noticed it when she said how horrible it was to be "forced" to practice violin while her siblings played. Didn't she CHOOSE to play violin? Hadn't her parents purchased one for her? Of course they would make her practice.

But I realized it went back further. She was a "victim" of infertility. She was a "victim" when she got pregnant with six. ("It was the worst day of her life.") She is a "victim" because Medicaid won't pay for a nurse for her healthy babies. She is a "victim" because the kids need to be fed and clothed. She is a "victim" because her husband doesn't do enough...you get the picture. Kate likes playing the victim.

So...I do not think she was *really* abused as a child or had a particularly bad childhood. It was just not a childhood of wealth and privilege that she longed to have.
I think she had problems with her parents, but not bad enough that she cut off contact when she was grown, got married, had the twins, or had the tups. It was not until AFTER she had the tups that the relationship, for whatever reason, terminated.

Steph said...

Gymboree polos are labeled in the front with a little "G" on the chest, so the boys were probably wearing Gap that day.

The twins will be outgrowing the Gymboree VERY soon, or already have...I think size 7/8 is the XXXL size. Gap goes on forever, though, so it was probably Gap.

I will laugh when the twins start hating the Gap in a few years and want clothes from Hot Topic, Nordstroms and Lucky. How WILL Kate beg from there?

Does Jodi get hand-me-downs for Lissa and Bennett?

Anonymous said...

A person with OCD/germophobe issues would never let a child wear brand new clothes that had not yet been laundered. There are chemicals on clothes from different treatment processes at the factory.

She's worried about antibiotics in the beef. She's paranoid about edible food coloring (I thought all food coloring was edible). But she lets her kids wear clothing that hasn't been washed yet?

Just more proof that Kate doesn't really have OCD - she's really a control freak!

Anonymous said...

I am to assume by Truth's post that J & K are to this day still receiving free clothing on behalf of Gymboree? The days of searching the couch cushions for loose change are over for J & K and have been for some time. Why would Gymboree continue to provide J & K with free clothing? And more importantly, why would J & K continue to accept free clothing when they are obviously more than financially capable of providing clothing for their children ! It disturbs me to no end that a major clothing line such as Gymboree would include J & K on their charity donation list when there are thousands of American families in dire straits and much more deserving! I hardly think that Gymboree sale profits are so low that they feel the necessity to utilize a reality show such as J & K + 8 to boost sales. I could be mistaken, but I have never heard or visually seen the Gymboree brand intentionally mentioned during an episode. Therefore, am excluding product placement or free advertising as Gymborees primary intent for providing J & K the clothing.
If there is any truth to the fact that Gymboree is still providing J & K with free clothing, I will immediately contact Gymboree and express my disappointment in their choice of 'family in need'.
Regarding the shoe issue: Yes, it is the responsibility of the PARENT to monitor foot growth and the need for a larger size shoe! It is ridiculous and insulting for J & K to use the excuse of, 'they were sent the wrong size'. Perhaps if they took their children to the shoe store and had them properly sized/ fitted and purchased the shoes out of their own pocket, they would be more aware of their children's shoe size! If anyone should be called stupid, it is Kate for her comment to her daughter, ' my feet hurt in my shoes every day'. Kate if you are STUPID enough to wear shoes that hurt your feet every day thats your choice. Dont expect your 7 year old child to wear shoes that hurt her feet just because you, an adult woman, do !

Anonymous said...

Definitely adding Gymboree to the list of boycotted products. That is insane, that they sent them so many freebies.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Jodi's sister could shed some light on where the grandparents are? I know that Jon's dad has passed away. But that still leaves Kate's parents and Jon's mom.
I found Kate odd the first time I saw her. I did not like when the doctor was generous and offered her a free tummy tuck and she went in there trying to get a free boob job also. Then we find out that she also got liposuction. It seems to be all about the free stuff. She must have been very upset when the doctor said no to the boob job.

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