Gumgate/Cupcakegate

Posted for AG:

I just read parts 2 and 3 of Julie's blog.

Boy, it's hard to re-live gumgate. My heart breaks for Collin. I can see how Jon and Kate wanted Jodi off the show and used gumgate as their excuse. Only problem is that it totally backfired and people were horrified at how Kate treated Collin and loved Jodi even more. I think gumgate turned a lot of sheeple away from the show, and cupcakegate is getting even more.

What breaks my heart is the sheer terror those kids live with every day. Julie explains really well how J&K's rules are very inconsistent. They do this to keep the kids on their toes and live with uncertainty at all times. It's a way of control. J&K control their emotions. Every time they're offered a piece of gum, they're going to think "Is it okay to eat this? Is there going to be a consequence or will it be okay?" Same with birthday cakes and even birthdays. Look at the stark difference between their 3rd and 4th birthday parties -- it seems like J&K delight in the fact that the kids never know what to expect. Meanwhile the tups' hearts start racing when their b-day comes up and think "Will we celebrate our birthday this year or will we punished for not eating dinner like last year?" Jon and Kate both terrorize their kids. I hate that those kids have to live like that.

52 comments:

laurie said...

It makes me wonder what sort of life Kate lived as a child, to do this type of behavior to her children. It has been said she has no contact with her parents and I sure would like to know why. Is it Kate that keeps them apart or are the parents so sick of the lies and nonsense, that they stay away deliberately? I really have NO idea. It certainly makes me wonder though. ::sigh:: It's really a shame that one person could be THAT controlling. Sad.

Laurie

Anonymous said...

I was especially glad that Julie brought up how the 'tups were allowed to eat ice cream for dinner on a special night once, but then cupcakes for dessert on their birthday (what I think most would consider a VERY special day) were withheld.

The kids seemed absolutely shocked that they were not allowed to eat their cupcakes. It seems like if this were a consistent consequence, they wouldn't have been so surprised about it and reacted in quite the way that they did. They didn't expect that to happen - a sign that consequences and rewards are not consistent in the Gosselin home.

KEH

Anonymous said...

With all due respect, I think this is a little overstated. I agree with the general theme of this blog. The children are being exploited and have lost any sense of normalcy or privacy in their lives.

However, I don't think they are 'terrorized'. Their parents may not be the best. They surely have issues. They may even be greedy. But you've lost me when you state, as fact, that they delight in keeping their kids on their toes in a state of uncertaintly. That they somehow deviously planned to make this year's birthday a huge comedown from last years to somehow keep the kids off balance and guessing.

Again, I'm not defending J & K, or saying that they are the greatest. They are clearly not perfect parents and have some not so nice sides to their personalities. But really, putting words into the kids mouths is over the top. You have no idea what their Real Birthday celebration was like - and it may have been equally as wonderful in their minds as the carnival last year. The point is - we just don't know and therefore we shouldn't be making defacto statements about J&K's motivation or the kids responses.

Let's all try to keep some perspective.

Anonymous said...

Poor Aaden's face when he was told he wouldn't be getting his cupcake broke my heart. On my son's second birthday, all the excitement wore him out by the time it was time to have cake and he was hell on wheels. On a normal night he would have gone to bed without dessert but there was no way I was going to deny it on his birthday. Your birthday (or whatever day you're pretending to celebrate your birthday) is the one day a year you can act like a ass and still get cake at the end of the day.

I don't know where the sheeple talk online about J&K. I'm wondering if someone who has read the forums can tell me if there is any backlash for the two episodes discussed in this post. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

I believe these children suffer from anxiety which manifests itself in many behaviors. What's the greatest cause of anxiety in children? separation from parents

Anonymous said...

The sheeples think that all of this behavior is just fine. They go by the belief that the kids knew they shouldn't have gum, so therefore, Kate can go ballistic and justify terrorizing Colin and the others. Keeping in mind, the kids could have gum on the plane, and in Colorado THAT WE SAW (can't believe they only had it twice in their lives). I'm sure the 3 year olds are thinking "Well, Aunt Jodi, who is an adult, offered us gum, we are given a choice, so let's see, we could chew gum on an airplane because when we are flying at 35,000 feet, and the air is thinner, and the cabin is decompressed, we need the gum to keep swallowing to keep our ears open. We also got gum in Colorado, but that was also high altitude, since we were almost 6,000 feet above sea level. So, let's see, we could only have gum at high altitudes, and Aunt Jodi's house in PA does not have a high elevation, so sorry, Aunt Jodi, we are going to have to take a pass on that gum". And the sheeples think it is just fine that J&K have rules of no dessert if you don't finish dinner, so they are just keeping those consistent (puke) rules, so there is nothing wrong with that. Again, let's get into Aaden's head "OK we made these incredible cupcakes that we drove hours to make. Mom said we couldn't have any at the bakery, but we could have one to take home to eat after dinner. It was a birthday celebration, of course it wasn't the day, but it was all for our birthday. We all sat around and ate, and it was only Hannah that Mom and Mady were force feeding, so I guess she is the only one that isn't eating enough. Surely, if we weren't eating enough, Mom or Dad would say something, that we had to eat more, or we wouldn't get our cupcake. But they didn't say anything, so I guess we are in the clear. OKAAAAY, the plates have been cleared. Look out tummy, here comes a cupcake! Then we get the news that us boys don't get our cupcakes because we didn't eat enough. And there sits Hannah and her sisters gobbling up theirs. And us tups weren't supposed to see, but we're not blind, I wear glasses, but I can still see...Mady and Cara ate their cupcakes at the bakery, and it was OUR birthday. How come they got to eat them and we didn't?". Oh gosh, this is so very, very sad. The sheeples have some powerful blinders on.

Anonymous said...

I find it ironic that Kate, who mourns that her babies are growing up, has absolutely no concept of child development. Besides all the other issues of cupcake-gate, e.g., she loathed the very concept of an afternoon in the bakery and all the attendant "mess," she clearly forgot that kids don't have a developed sense of delayed gratification. It was asking a great deal of the kids to keep it together and not throw a tantrum, when she demanded that they not eat the cupcake at the bakery, but wait instead until after dinner. To then insist that not only did they have to wait yet more time, but that they had to fulfill a certain calorie requirement at dinner was, quite frankly, idiotic. She was setting them up for a task at which they were bound to fail. That some ate the food (and I don't think you can count hand-feeding Hannah), while others did not, reflects only their state of hunger versus their state of anticipation. But at that point, it had been a long day, the kids had been well-behaved at Church and at the bakery -- they had completed the task asked of them, and then Kate moved the finish line.

For shame!

Anonymous said...

I call shenanigans on the whole 'the kids didn't want a carnival' crap. I saw this episode a second time and when Kate is in the kitchen talking to one of the tups (Leah? I can't remember now) she said that the kids didn't want a carnival that year even though Kate did and then the tup said "Mommy" and then Kate cut her off and said they'd 'have a carnival next year, right?' and the tup said yes. I wonder if the kid was about to say something like yes they did want a carnival that year. There is no doubt in my mind that no four year olds would trade a carnival in the back yard for a 'family day' and a trip to decorate cupcakes 75 miles away from home.

Anonymous said...

OMG what is the deal??? I just saw that they closedthe FORT thread on Jon and Kate citing "nastiness" of the boardies to each other. I don't see that at all!! People were just stating and arguing their opinions on the show! I wonder if the J and K team are threatening boards with lawsuits or something...I don't get it!!

Juliet said...

To a small child, living with uncertainty IS frightening! I'm sure that the uncertainty of Kate's moods is even more terrifying.
I wish that John would do more to stand up for those kids. I think he knows things are wrong. He really should speak up.

Darcy said...

I have to completely agree with with anonymous at 12:17.

I can't get on board with this entry. I think J&K have their issues and that it's not great for the kids to be put through what they are as far as the show goes but no way do I think they are scheming to keep their kids on their toes. It's just a huge leap IMO.

Anonymous said...

Re: "I believe these children suffer from anxiety which manifests itself in many behaviors. What's the greatest cause of anxiety in children? separation from parents."

Actually, speaking as a child of an unpredictable parent, whether your parent is going to completely lose their cool over gum or some other similarly "serious" issue, causes a lot of anxiety. Separation from that really didn't leave me with anxiety.

I'm also going to note something because I haven't really seen this brought up yet, the bakery, Velvet Sky Bakery, that the kids visited is in a suburb of Philadelphia, i.e. 75 miles in the opposite direction from home. Adding that to the milege to the church, and it was a two hour trip there and a two hour trip back. Again I ask "what were the producers thinking?" Kate and Jon's agreement to this aside, the producers are interested in cute days out, regardless of the toll on these kids.

Since they didn't show when lunch was eaten, I do wonder how much before dinner the kids had eaten. Had they eaten a late lunch or a snack when they got home? Even with kids going through phases of not eating a lot it seems unusual that 4 of the kids didn't want to eat dinner.

Anonymous said...

They may not be scheming to keep the tups off kilter, fearful, and on their toes, but by selectively and unpredictably enforcing "rules" that is the end result.

I believe there are deeper psychological forces at work. Kate has stated that she wants to keep her children babies as long as possible. To me that means she wants to keep them dependent on her. By creating a house of OCD tension with no regard to their emotional growth or well being, and by being unpredictable and by enforcing rules according to her moods, alternately showing them love and coldness, permissiveness and punishnment for the same behaviors, the result is making them emotionally attached to her in an unhealthy way. There are many psych studies that show this. Being cruel all the time will result in a disconnect between children and parents, being overly permissive with do the same thing. But the way to keep your children emotionally tied to you for life is by doing exactly what Kate is doing by creating a volatile, unpredictable and confusing emotional environment for them. When Kate when apeshit over the gum, Collin felt for a few minutes that she held his life in her hands, so to speak, she was the one who decided the fate of his comfort item. He was being drastically punished for chewing gum, which he has been allowed to do before. Then you see her in other shows solicitously packing the kids' comfort items, as if she had great regard for their emotional security. This has to be confusing for a child and the end result is having children who are confused by everything in life, can't trust their own impulses and are abnormally attached to the mother to tell them what is right and wrong for them to do, because the rules kept changing on them in early childhood according to her WHIMS. When this is all they know, the patterns will be carried to adulthood and they will look to her without trusting themselves, and they won't understand why they are doing that. Has anyone heard of Pavlov's dogs?

AireZoe said...

I just saw that they closedthe FORT thread on Jon and Kate citing "nastiness" of the boardies to each other.

Please, what is the FORT board?

AngieMack said...

Honestly, I don’t think Kate is smart enough for this mind control theory. J&K’s actions are simply lazy parenting. It’s all about the damage control. Kids cry during 4th of July Parade – Give them the “forbidden” candy so they will hush. Kids cry on ski slope - Give them gum to keep them quiet. Uh oh, kids have gum on their socks and bear - Blame the babysitter. (That one is a double whammy for Kate as she gets to play mother martyr and slam Aunt Jodi all in one big Kate-meltdown) Now, I agree that their actions are causing massive, long lasting trauma to their kids. No doubt about that. It’s all very very sad.

J&K are too busy worrying about J&K…. how they look to their worshippers and how much $$ they can make. Period. Kate wants her children to stay babies because babies are cute and cuddly, and people will be more likely to watch. I have read many posts (mostly from TWoP) about how the kids are already losing their cuteness factor as they get older, so there ya go.

Anonymous said...

They are not smart. They are only smart about riding the gravy train. I am not saying they are planning any of their behavior or the effects on the tups. I do believe they are largely unconscious and they way they are selectively enforcing rules etc is creating a massively confusing and ultimately destructive environment for the tups and for their future emotional health and well being.

We all have unconscious patterns but the mark of a better parent is one who cares enough to deal with those inner demons if they exist. Kate does not deal with anything. She justifies. And I have no doubt how in the future, when the tups cut her off or have severe problems getting their lives together, she will be full of justifications as to why it isnt her fault. But it is.

Lipstick girl said...

I have just came from reading at Julie's blog. Thank you Julie for having the courage to set up your blog and tell the public the "other side" of the story.

FIONA said...

Darcy,

I don't know what to think anymore about Kate. To think that a mother would scheme and manipulate to keep her children fearful is evil. Honestly, though, I can't justify any of Kate's behavior, so I can't say for certain if I believe she is capable of this. I think she is.

Dinner/dessert rules are fine, as long as they are clear. My problem is the freaking cupcake was dangled in front of the kids for the whole day. There is a time when any parent with a pea for a brain will know when to bend....what battle to fight. This was without a doubt, a no-brainer.....LET THEM EAT CAKE. And I think we ALL agree, the boys WILL remember that always. Breaks my heart.

Anonymous said...

This family TV show has certainly created a lot of controversy. TWoP shuts down and now FORT. Of course, my first thought is that the Gosselin machine is engineering the destruction of all negative opinion, but I'm not into conspiracy theories--yet. Jon and Kate certainly bring out deep feelings in people. I guess TLC is of the opinion that negative publicity is better than no publicity at all, but it's a thin line. I've said it before, but Kate and Jon Gosselin are their own worst enemies.

Anonymous said...

My biggest issue was when Kate said that Collin's "buddy" was going to be thrown away. That was horrible, evil and psychotic. The kid is 4 years old. I would have been traumatized had my mother done something like that. Even my mother who is not a harsh critic of Kate thought that was disgusting to do to the poor kid.

Anonymous said...

I just posted a comment regarding the gum, but I wanted to add this:

I honestly don't believe that Kate plans to behave this way. I think the behavior is terrible yes, but I really don't think that she maps this out. Whether she is just unstable or what, I don't know but I don't think that she intentionally thinks, "Hm... I'm going to mess with them today."

Kate has her issues in many, many areas, but I don't think this is some elaborate plot on her part. Mental illness? Possibly. Lazy parenting in some areas? Yes. Conspiracy? No.

sistah2 said...

yeah, just saw the FORT (fans of reality tv) thread was shut down for reasons cited above. I also thought there was very little "nastiness" - just back and forth opinion - yes mostly neg. to J&K but thats to be expected. The nastiness was very mild compared to the heyday of Omorosa on the 1st apprentice. (BTW- is Kate the new Omorosa ?) anyway it does seem suspicious they would shut down that thread for the regular chitchat about reality stars. whats going on there?
I love this blog! keep it going. JOn and Kate are going to fall on their own sword - hold on for the ride.

K.C. said...

sistah2 said...

I love this blog! keep it going.

I second that sistah2. Please keep this blog going!

Anonymous said...

I think Fans of Reality TV closed their forum due to a few nitpickers that are those one's that if you say abuse think you are claiming that J&K are beating the kids with sticks and pretend there is no emotional or psychological issues at all. And claiming that if you feel social services should look at the family you want the kids taken away as if there is no in between. And I do wonder if an independent child psychologist examined those kids if they too would agree the show has got to go.
Reading that bullshit nit picking over words would make me close them down if they'd been told several times to cool the snippy remarks. One appears to be an old timer but several were newer members. The more the ugly behavior comes out to defend Kate and Jon the more it makes me wonder what the agenda is that they feel they get by defending them. What really freaks me out though is the ones that blindly blurt out their love and hope to emulate them. I was reading another fan site and one woman apparently thought it was run by Kate and Jon and wanted Kate to tell her how to misuse the fertility drugs cause she and her husband want quads. Great, lets get more women playing Russian roulette with fertility drugs.

Anonymous said...

Serena, I guess I am really out of it, but who decides to close forums down? Television Without Pity and now Fans of Reality TV closed because, as I understand it, the negative feedback on J&K was too much. Do J&K's PR people threaten a lawsuit and that's why they close down? What is to prevent this wonderful blog GWoP from closing down? This is a great group of smart, thinking people. We may trash J&K, but only within a specified context. Don't people have first amendement rights under the constitution? Seriously, I'm asking. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

The FORT can be kind of snippy that way. I didn't see the conversation as being nasty in terms of attacking other members. I actually looked forward to reading that thread several times a day, I guess I won't be visiting the site that much any more. I like to chat while watching Amazing Race and a couple of other shows but some of the censorship on the site at times really bothers me. I ended up getting banned once because I got annoyed that a post was deleted because it only had a smilie in it, and spoke out about it.

Anonymous said...

If any of those poor, precious babies don't grow up to have Borderline Personality Disorder, I would be really thankful and surprised. :(

Serena said...

Serena, I guess I am really out of it, but who decides to close forums down?

It varies. Sometimes the people who started/moderate the board shut it down, sometimes it's shut down by the people who own the host site.

Do J&K's PR people threaten a lawsuit and that's why they close down?

You'd have to talk to the people involved in the boards that have closed, I can't speak for them.

What is to prevent this wonderful blog GWoP from closing down?

We won't be closing it down, but we have no control over the owners of blogspot.

Don't people have first amendement rights under the constitution?

That is a very complicated issue, with precedents being set and broken every day.

Anonymous said...

I didn't think the FORT site was bad. There were certainly as many J&K supporters as detractors. If I remember correctly, the TWoP thread on a certain show about plastic surgeons was closed for a very long time because of slander concerns--posts about alleged legal issues of one of the stars. Interestingly, by the time the thread reopened, there was litte interest in it. Just goes to show the supernova quality of reality TV--burn bright and then become a black hole.

Anonymous said...

where is Julies blog? I keep reading about it but can't find it! Help!

Serena said...

where is Julies blog? I keep reading about it but can't find it! Help!

Look in the "Links" section located in the sidebar of our home page.

minxie said...

Because J & K have willingly put themselves on a television show, they can be considered "public figures". It is virtually impossible to libel public figures--if I remember correctly from an old media law class. So the Gosselins have no legal leg to stand on if the public dissects their lives--J & K gave up their rights to privacy.

Anonymous said...

I wrote the "pavlov's dogs" post and I want to clarify what I think some people may be misunderstanding.

I don't think Kate PLANS to fuck up these children, but is simply employing behaviors and methods that are VERY EFFECTIVE in doing so. There is a difference. When I saw there are deep psych forces at work, I do believe it is largely unconscious. I don't think she sits and plots how to make these kids anxiety ridden and insecure, or how to keep them babies and dependent, but she does have these inner motivations to keep them emotionally dependent on her. And the best way to do that as a mother is to be inconsistent and whimsical with rules, "melt down" frequently yourself with no consequences, give the kids love, yet make them fear you at the same time. Maybe her mother did the same thing. I had a mother who behaved similarly and I still have issues because of it. Generally though, even with mothers who have this underlying pattern, there is usually some level of self awareness that tempers them from going hog wild and giving into each selfish or crazy impulse they have. With Kate though, greed and denail run deep, and her ego prevents her from learning from mistakes...she just justifies the unjustifiable. And the kids are suffering.

Court said...

I actually had a dream about Collin a couple of nights ago, probably from thinking about the GumGate episode and how sad the little guy was. I just remember him sitting on these steps all alone and crying, and I picked him up and held him and he soon felt comforted. That love and comfort I'm sure is something that precious little boy needs more of.

I've quickly turned from being a strong J&K supporter to being very disgusted by these people and really feeling for these kids. I pray that one day they can have some peace and normalcy in their lives.

Anonymous said...

To Pavlov's Dogs, My mother was the same and while I can't clearly state my mothers pathology I believe she has untreated bi-polar which she self medicates with alcohol. While I think Kate could benefit from a mood stabilizer or anit-depressent I worry she is taking Xanax or Valium. My siblings and I are all messed up from my mother and father.

AG said...

anonymous at 12:17 PM, I didn't state anything as a fact. I wrote "it seems like" J&K delight... It was my opinion.

Anonymous said...

I also agree with whomever said they call shenanigans that the tups didn't want a carnival party this year. But in Kate's defense, who was she going to invite? I suppose it's going to take her another year to find some more hard-working "helpers" that she can mooch/leach off of.

BTW, I was just reading Julie's blog which stated that Kate may be hinting around for a laundry endorsement. It sure makes a lot of sense to me.

Anonymous said...

A laundry endorsement? That is comical. Kate doesnt even do 100% of her own laundry. What she does do she has the uber sized latest in technology washer and dryer that does all the work for her. She doesnt allow her children to get dirty and I have yet to see any episode footage backing her claim that she spends 'hours on stain removal'. Not to mention the helper that folds the endless baskets of laundry and the other helper that comes to put the laundry away. Kate and a laundry endorsement. Lets get 'REAL' !!

K.C. said...

The laundry endorsement would not surprise me. At least not after I read that she has an endorsement from Proctor and Gamble for clean some clean water thing:

Here is part of Procter & Gamble's press release:

America's favorite super mom and star of TLC's "Jon & Kate Plus 8," Kate Gosselin has joined P&G to help raise awareness of global clean water issues and World Water Day in March by offering advice on simple ways people can save money, while also improving the lives of others.
"As a mother of twins and sextuplets, saving money is crucial in managing my household expenses, but it's equally important to instill a sense of giving back to important causes," said Gosselin. "By redeeming P&G brandSAVER coupons during the Give PUR Water program, I not only save money on my weekly shopping, but my purchases activate donations of clean water to children in need."

Link to the full press release:

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS151891+28-Feb-2008+PRN20080228

Anonymous said...

So if the kids aren't allowed to get dirty, and she's getting loads of new clothes from ? and she doesn't even wash them before the kids wear them - what kind of dirty is she washing out? Seriously though, if my kids haven't gone to school/outing in the clothes they're wearing or gotten any food on their clothes than they go back into the drawer to be used again at least once. The only exception I use is if they've been running around and are sweaty - and underwear/socks always only get worn once than in the wash they go. Maybe if she didn't except so many free clothes she wouldn't be doing baskets and baskets of laundry every day!!!

Anonymous said...

As sad as it was to see the boys' reactions about not getting cupcakes, why didn't they touch their dinner? If you are hungry for a cupcake, you are hungry for dinner first. That makes no sense to me unless Kate made a disgusting dinner they had never seen before.

I agree Hannie should not have gotten a cupcake, either.

Aside from that, they should have just eaten them AT the bakery with the big girls, at a time in between lunch and dinner. They had huge aprons on for goodness sakes. I don't get why they went to the bakery right after church all dressed up. Just terrible planning.

iluveeyore said...

"I don't get why they went to the bakery right after church all dressed up. Just terrible planning."

I don't get why they need to "dress up" for church in the first place. The kids don't go to services. They go to play groups. I suggest they wear clean play clothes.

Fidelia said...

MILK.

Perhaps an answer to the problem of the children not eating their dinner in the evening after the bakery might have been solved had J&K offered them 1/2 glass of milk when it became clear that they could/would not eat.

They deserved to eat those cupcakes at the bakery. They behaved beautifully while there and should have been rewarded, IMO.

If not there, certainly after dinner. The *rules* could have been broken just once with the explanation to the tups that they deserved the cupcakes that they made but that they had to drink 1/2 glass of milk with their cupcake in place of dinner.

That would take care of the "something" in the stomach as milk is a food.

The children would have been happy; the viewers would have had closure; and that simple loving action would have negated the tons of bandwidth that so many of us are using to gripe about this episode.

A simple solution - a cupcake and milk.

Lauren

Anonymous said...

Just caught this in a rerun - Gooselin's at Beth and Bobs for picture taking. Kate being nasty to Jon in front of everyone. Beth is doing one of the girls hair and mentions "They are here every Sunday." Wow - No wonder this friendship fell apart. Any news on that???

Anonymous said...

They should not have been dressed up for church playgroup. Kate practically sets these disasters up.

I still can't get myself to feel sorry for a child who does not touch their dinner yet thinks they get junk food. No matter what. Even if I think they should have planned it better and eaten it at the bakery. I also think they should have given them another chance to eat their dinner, and/or brought the cupcakes to the table and said, "if you don't eat x amount off your plate, you do not get this cupcake."

renee said...

If any of those poor, precious babies don't grow up to have Borderline Personality Disorder, I would be really thankful and surprised. :(

I'll be surprised is they don't end up with worse! I have BPD/Bipolar II and I grew up in a relatively normal household, normal parents, etc. I hope somehow they come out of all this unscathed because BPD, bipolarity and things of that nature are really tough to live with.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone noticed that TLC is not rerunning the "Tups Turn 4" episode?

They did rerun "Korean Dinner" and most of the reruns this week, are episodes were the bickering and anger is not too bad.

Anonymous said...

With regards to:

A simple solution - a cupcake and milk.

In Kate Gosselin's world, milk is a luxery that the children only get when it is "on sale".

Anonymous said...

Milk is a 'luxery' for J & K item right along with hair transplant surgery and teeth whitening procedures. Milk if its 'only on sale' hair transplant surgery and teeth whitening procedures you better damn believe it!!!

Anonymous said...

I agree that Jon is no prize and is very rough with the boys in particular. Jon and Kate are not "bright" people, at all. The kids will be fine and My favorite Collin will drive them nuts before they drive him nuts.

Anonymous said...

HI I have not seen the bday show but i did see the gum show and yes I feel for Collin he is a cutie, all the kids are cute. Kate can be over bearing and hard , maybe it was the way she was brought up , I think she said that in a show . She is tough on them but so are a lot of other parents we just get to see her be that way. None of her kids have ever been spanked. they are very polite and actually are good to each other, when they are not hitting or biting, but she does do time outs for them. Jon is a good dad too at least he is in there life and is playing and loving them , he tells them what they did wrong and not to do it again. some parent just spank their kids and say not to do it again. Kate can be a shrew but that is what every one watches the show for to see what they are doing next. she does make Jon look inept and treats him that way but from what I can see he takes it to a certain extent and then tells her to stop. as for her parent not being there who knows maybe they did not like jon or kate. or they did not want to be on camera. I have 9 grandkids and i keep them all the time. and I love Jodi and Beth they are such good people to put up with Kate.

Serena said...

None of her kids have ever been spanked.

Wrong. Kate admits in her church talks that spanking is used to punish the children.