Jon Cooks Korean Dinner

TLC is airing a new Jon & Kate Plus 8 episode tomorrow night (Monday July 14th) -- a 30-minute feature starting at 9:00 p.m. Eastern titled Jon Cooks Korean Dinner:
Jon schools the kids in their heritage by cooking a traditional Korean meal for the entire family, but it's all new to the children and their reactions are varied.

184 comments:

Anonymous said...

I wonder if this epi is in response to an email I sent to their website last month about multicultural families and identity...hmmmmmmmmm

Kate said...

I can't help but wonder why Korean food is a new thing in the house.

The foods they eat now seem very basic, and the children are old enough to eat foods from all cultures.

But I'm sure this episode will also contain the now par for the course yelling at everyone, complaining about messes, disregard for the children and jon mumbling his discontent for the way their lives are.

Like I said before in another comment, I used to enjoy the show, but it's now become a trainwreck, and it's hard not to look.

Juliet said...

Even though I am still stinging from last week, I'm kind of looking forward to this episode, because my husband and I really like Korean food. Also, the original draw of the show for us (besides the cute kids, of course) was the interracial aspect of J&K. My husband is also Asian American (Chinese) and I am "white" (British and French heritage).

I find it odd, though, that Jon is only now cooking Korean for the kids.
Oh, wait. It's not that odd after all. Kate will probably spend the episode saying things like this:

"Don't let the kids get any hot pepper paste on their clothes."

"Is my fridge going to smell like kimchi? I don't want to be smelling kimchi every time I open the fridge."

"Is that a splatter of sesame oil on my counter? You're cleaning that up, mister!"

And so on.

seashell said...

I wonder if this episode will be as uncomfortable as the other producer-invented "just an ordinary day" shows.

This just screams contrived to me.

SaraxMxB said...

to be fair though, kimchi isn't the best smell in the entire world. i wouldn't want to smell it every time i opened my fridge either ;-)

Juliet said...

"to be fair though, kimchi isn't the best smell in the entire world. i wouldn't want to smell it every time i opened my fridge either ;-)"

What can I say? I like foods with pungent smells. There is a Chinese dish called 臭豆腐 chou doufu (stinky tofu) and it is one of my favorites. So I wouldn't mind smelling kimchi all the time. :-p

aly,benji n siennas mom said...

I hope all the kids get to help prepare dinner.

Anonymous said...

"I hope all the kids get to help prepare dinner."

Don't hold your breath. And if they do, J&K surely won't eat it.

iluveeyore said...

It is rather odd. The twins are 7 years old and haven't eaten Korean food? I guess they never ate at grandma's house!

On the Mother's Day Show, Kate said that Jon doesn't cook. The twins complained that he wouldn't let them help him and Kate said that's because he's not comfortable in the kitchen. I guess the kids won't be helping him.

As for Kate's reaction to the smell and the mess -- that's "so Kate."

Anonymous said...

I really wish they could get Jon's mom or grandma to do this show and cook with him. It seems so empty on the shows these days without all the helpers. Of course the fact is, the" helpers" help mask the fact that the only family in their lives was Jodi and she was relegated to babysitter. How much more meaningful a memory or tradition would be if it came from a Korean aunt, Grandma or Great Grandma, versus all the traditions starting with just mom and dad.

I hope this episode redeems them a bit after last week.

Anonymous said...

I guess the Personal Chef makes all the food for this episode and Jon will just finish it like Emeril with a BAM! or something.

I wanna know where they are getting all these ingredients out in Elizabethtown, when there are no Asian Mkts in their area

Juliet said...

iluveeyore,

I think it's odd, too. I don't think Jon is really uncomfortable in the kitchen. I think Kate is uncomfortable letting anyone into the kitchen. She just told that lie to make herself look better.

Anonymous said...

You would think the kids would be used to Korean food since I remember Kate saying in one of the episodes that she would LOVE to be Korean.

If I'm remembering correctly, when she was asked why she wanted to be Korean (by, I believe, Jen the Producer) she got a blank look on her face and shrugged and said "I don't know, I just do."

Maybe wanting to be Korean doesn't carry over into actually cooking Korean (if Korean food really is a new experience for the kids)?

aly,benji n siennas mom said...

I know one could only hope.

Let's see how this goes I’ll try to watch tonight but I usually just DVR it and watch while my youngest booger is napping, so I'll try not to come on the blog till after i watch LOL

Anonymous said...

I too am in agreement that tonight's episode is another contrived attempt on the part of producers. I far from believe that J & K are encouraging the children to embrace their Korean heritage, all the while in the absence of their Korean grandmother/great grandmother. Although their couch confessionial will try to convince us otherwise. What I do believe is that Jon spent a day or two in the kitchen with Kate's personal chef getting a quickie lesson on how to prepare Korean food in preparation for this episode. The only display thus far of the children being exposed to any form of Korean food was the Sara Snow episode. Although I hardly consider Sara Snow an expert on Korean cuisine.
In response to the question of whether the children will participate in the cooking? We already know that wont happen. J & K refuse to eat anything that was prepared by their own children. As far as Kate's acceptance of Jon in the kitchen. Im sure she will be speaking out of both sides of her mouth per usual. On the one hand saying how great it is that he is stepping up to the plate and making dinner for the family. On the other, standing there with her hands clasped in front of her demeaning his every move, technique, and inability to prepare the food in a way that meets her standards.

Anonymous said...

what about the other 3/4 of their heritage?

Lauren said...

Anon~
I think you are correct about the grandparents theory. My mother's parents came over here from Italy. I learned more from them - the culture, language, history, etc., than any plate of spaghetti could offer me.

I adored my grandparents and, although I am now 63, I still remember them vividly and miss them.

I'm so sorry that Kate's (in particular) psychopathology has apparently robbed her children of this exquisite and cherished relationship with their grandparents on either side.

Fidelia

Anonymous said...

I wonder if they'll have a discussion on namuls, and how many banchan plates will be on their table?

or if they'll grill the Bulgogi on a tabletop grill?

Will they make, Kimbap, Bindae Duk, Bibimbap, Kimchi Chigae, Gim?

Will they all be wearing tiny Hanboks?

Will they explain the cultural differences between Pocky and Peppero?

Will Jon dig a hole in the backyard to put the jar of kimchi in to ferment?

HHHHMMM, I think I know more about Korean food then Jon.

Anonymous said...

I have this feeling that the show will involve some cute shots of the kids trying the new food for the first time, but the majority of the show will involve Jon cooking while Kate gripes at him about the mess and complains about how exhausting it is to clean up after him.

Plus, Jon might commit the very real sin of actually putting some food in his mouth, which will make Kate justified in complaining about his weight.

Anonymous said...

I am not pro-Kate at all. I am very disappointed in their lack of honesty regarding their very public lives. I agree with most of you but am sorry to see everyone tearing apart tonight's episode before it even airs. I am reading comments back and forth that are just speculations. It makes me think that no matter what happens--some people will just be negative. Wait until you watch the show before you form an opinion. If in fact she disappoints, well at least it would seem more fair.

moi said...

I find it odd, though, that Jon is only now cooking Korean for the kids.

Oh you know Kate is going to be all, "It's tradition in our house, every Wednesday night, for Jon to cook Korean food. Always has been, always will be. The kids insist on it. We all look forward to it."

Yeah, okay Kate.

Anonymous said...

I would love to know more about the whole "personal chef" for the Gosselins. Do they actually have someone who comes to their house to make their meals? I was wondering if instead it was one of those companies that prepares and freezes meals like Let's Dish or Dinner Done who gives them free prepared meals and that is what is meant as a "personal chef." I know some of these companies will deliver already prepared meals to your home and a lot of them specialize in healthy or organic meals. I live in a metropolitan area so these types of companies are very popular w/ both SAH Moms and Moms who work outside the home-- I frequently get invites to Let's Dish Parties where everyone goes and assembles the meals together-- the Tupperware parties for the 00's. :) Everyday it seems a new one is popping up in this area. I could see these companies donating to Jon and Kate for the free publicity since the viewers would probably be their main demographic.

Just wondering if that is what is meant by the "personal chef."

iluveeyore said...

I tried "Let's Dish" last summer to take with us to the beach. I swear it was more trouble than cooking from scratch (which I didn't want to do at the beach) and all of the dishes tasted the same -- over-salted and totally over-seasoned.

Even though we rent a house with a kitchen, we always go out for dinner. THAT is what makes it a vacation for me. Let's Dish was a lot more work than I expected it to be, and I would imagine that Kate wouldn't be too thrilled with it either.

Anonymous said...

J & K + 8 episodes have become all so predictable. That is why IMO, so many have the pre airing insight of how an episode will ultimately transpire. Episodes of recent are either producer contrived scenerios that will almost always feature Kate standing with her clasped hands ranting about how something or someone ticked her off to the point of exhaustion or an attempt at damage control. My guess is tonight's episode will be a combination of both.

Anonymous said...

Aigo~! I hope they make and bury Kimchi pots,and I hope they make it outside,I can hear Kate moaning about the smell now.

Being half Korean myself,I wonder why they would wait so long to start cooking Korean food,and introducing the kids to Korean culture?

Jon 화이팅~!

Anonymous said...

OMG Anonymous (July 14, 2008 1:15 PM)

What about Congee?

Did Kate feed them rice gruel as babies and then add solids to it as they aged?

Anonymous said...

Oh and one more thing...
If I see Jon try and teach these kids to eat rice with CHOPSTICKS, I will lie down and die laughing!

Koreans eat rice with long handled spoons!

Let us watch for the folly shall we?

Anonymous said...

Okay. Can someone please tell my why it is now repeated over and over as fact that the Gosselins have a personal chef? I enjoy discussing this family as much as anyone, but has the J&K feeding frenzy gone into wild speculation mode that now we're all supposed to believe this stuff with absolutely no evidence?

PLEASE don't tell me this is more ad nauseum repetition of internet gossip and "facts" from "Jodi's sister's" site, people. Whoever is writing that blog keeps switching to "speculation" about Jodi's feeling on certain subjects, i.e., "I can only imagine how Jodi felt about XYZ." Wouldn't her sweet sister KNOW how Jodi felt, since they talk SOOO often????

Somebody help me out here. (with the personal chef question, I won't be convinced about Jodi's "sister")

Serena said...

Can someone please tell my why it is now repeated over and over as fact that the Gosselins have a personal chef?

Because they DO.

we're all supposed to believe this stuff with absolutely no evidence?

Believe or not, as you wish.

Somebody help me out here. (with the personal chef question, I won't be convinced about Jodi's "sister")

We're not here to "convince" anyone. We have met Jodi's sister, we believe what she has told us, we talk about it here. It's not our mission to make anyone else share our beliefs.

Anonymous said...

Anon. said: "PLEASE don't tell me this is more ad nauseum repetition of internet gossip and "facts" from "Jodi's sister's" site, people. Whoever is writing that blog keeps switching to "speculation" about Jodi's feeling on certain subjects, i.e., "I can only imagine how Jodi felt about XYZ." Wouldn't her sweet sister KNOW how Jodi felt, since they talk SOOO often????"

I have to agree with all of this. I was a believer at first, but the more I read the more skeptical I am of Jodi's sister. Much of what she says is just a rehash of what is said here. There is nothing to make me think she has any inside knowledge that can be confirmed. She talks about things mostly as a viewer, not as an insider.

Anonymous said...

"Okay. Can someone please tell my why it is now repeated over and over as fact that the Gosselins have a personal chef? I enjoy discussing this family as much as anyone, but has the J&K feeding frenzy gone into wild speculation mode that now we're all supposed to believe this stuff with absolutely no evidence?"


If you noticed, I had the words personal chef in quotes. I don't take it as fact-- just hypothisizing about what Jodi's sister may have meant by talking about a chef. I'm sorry to take the wind out of your sails, because you seem to enjoy feeling morally superior but I don't think anyone here thinks things are absolute truths merely because they are discussed on this blog.

Anonymous said...

I think tonight's epi was better than the last few... however saying that I wonder if the editors feel the need to make it more 'glossy' than before in light of gumgate and cupckegate. I think kate was better behaved but she wasn't shown too much with the kids. I do think it is also tellign how Aaden and Collin were throwing fits wanting it to be their turn to go with Jon. They did not want to stay with Kate at all did they! ha! It was cute when one of the boys said to Jon something like I'm your son daddy and Jon said yes youre my son and I love you (not sure if I got the exact wording).

All in all this epi was more bearable than the last few and I didn't come away angry at Kate, but then again Kate didn't do much.

But it did seem like the food wasn't new to the kids so I think that was a good thing. I think Jon was better at being a man this time too.

Carrie said...

Well, it all pretty much happened they way we thought it would. Jon tried to cook a meal, and all Kate could do was complain about how he was in her kitchen. It's not like she needed to get in the kitchen since he was cooking the dinner, so what was she so worried about?? She also seemed amazed that this kids actually ate it.

And her little comment about how if you use a recipe, you're not a true cook?? HATE!!! (BTW, didn't she use a recipe in the episode where the girls made monkey munch?)

Anonymous said...

I found tonight's episode boring, comparable to the installing carpet episode. What I did find irritating was Kate interuppting Jon when he was attempting to explain the Korean food and his ancestory. Im sure Jon is very capable of describing his own heritage and the food and culture that surrounds it. I wish she would just let the man speak, in his OWN words ! For me personally, everything about this show has become all too predictable. Predictable = BORING.

K.C. said...

Yes, this episode was much better! I am not so sure I agree with the comment about the food not being new to the kids though. Jon sounded scripted on the way to the market when he said: "My grandmother cooks for them all the time. Ummmm, they eat TONS of Korean food, spicy food, kimchi. They're used to......this. It's just that I'VE never cooked them MY family's traditional food." I thought their great-grandmother was out of the picture?

I wish we could have actually seen the prep work involved, (other than chopping the scallions).

The only thing that really upset me was when Kate told Collin: "You eat like a pig. Chew with your mouth closed pig." (Wasabi peas)

K.C. said...

Carrie said...
And her little comment about how if you use a recipe, you're not a true cook?? HATE!!! (BTW, didn't she use a recipe in the episode where the girls made monkey munch?)

I did not care for that recipe comment either and yes she did use a recipe for monkey munch.

Jayne said...

Based on what we've seen Kate prepare (all organic crap), these children haven't had a real homecooked meal since Sara Snow came to see them. Kate talks a big game about how anyone who follows a recipe is not a true cook. Whatever. The fact that Jon cooked something resembling Asian type food is just a lame story line. The kids don't seem to realize they are Asian and everything presented seemed to be an attempt to make this a television cultural moment. *Yawn*

I believe all comments- 100% true or not- are based in some sort of fact somewhere. Do I believe that the blog owners have access to family members with some interesting scoop- possibly. Is everything presented here truth- possibly. Aunt Jodi's sister and Jodi have their own perspectives about the way things have gone down. Jon and Kate have theirs. The blog owners translate all of this into theirs. Is one any better/worse than the other? No.

FIONA said...

It was flat. I feel flat. Like I was apart of something icky. I am sure that sounds odd-but I just am devoid of emotion.

I think deep down inside I am always hoping for a morsel of change, and I am always disappointed.


About Jenny...all that was said was she was the helper. Nothing about Aunt Jodi. Jenny is getting paid alot of money and probably under a VERY strict contract for life. I don't want to pick on her, but who would want to work for the Gosselin's, ever? And why?? It will be interesting to see how much we get to know of her.

karenmkk-610 said...

OMG I guess I shouldn't be surprised after all this time, but Kate hit another low as a parent. Sure, your son's unhappy about not being able to go with Daddy? It's too much trouble to comfort him and heaven forbid you should listen to him cry. Send him to his room. She's teaching them that it's not ok to express emotions or if you do, you have to do it in private. What's wrong with a hug? Oh, right she'd have to touch one of the icky boys or interact with them. The ONLY reason I still watch this is for the kids. I hope it gets cancelled soon so they have to actually WORK.

moi said...

Anonymous said, "PLEASE don't tell me this is more ad nauseum repetition of internet gossip and "facts" from "Jodi's sister's" site, people. Whoever is writing that blog keeps switching to "speculation" about Jodi's feeling on certain subjects, i.e., "I can only imagine how Jodi felt about XYZ."

That's "okay," you don't have to believe it. She has met with people here and we are "aware" that she is "the real deal." Keep your eyes and ears peeled during the coming "season," and keep Julie's blog contents "in mind." :)

Anonymous said...

Its funny how the kids say (supposedly) that this one is or isn't asian...its almost like an insult to the other kid to be called 'white like mommy' I'm sure they don't say it like that-- but kinda like the week Joel (?) said he was a girl, and the time one of the boys called Kate a boy-- cause thats the worst thing to be {there}. No one wants to be what kate is. haha.

Darcy said...

I'm neither a lover nor a hater but this episode was a good one. I can't pick on them for anything in there. I enjoyed it and they all seemed to be having a very fun time! I thought it was so cute when they were eating the wasabi peas... Priceless little faces!

Darcy said...

I do think it is also tellign how Aaden and Collin were throwing fits wanting it to be their turn to go with Jon. They did not want to stay with Kate at all did they! ha!

I don't know, my boys do this all the time when either my husband or myself leave the house without them. They can throw quite an impressive tantrum. I personally think it has more to do with what fun they think they'd have on an outing than how horrible it is to stay at home. They clearly love their mother IMO.

Anonymous said...

Can't comment on Jenny's motives, but in this media-driven world, everybody wants that five minutes of fame and the money that comes with it. There are a lot of young people who would do just about anything to be a "star." I, however, am old enough to say that not for any amount of money or exposure would I kow-tow to the likes of Kate Gosselin. Yeah!

Anonymous said...

Yawn. To me the tups are getting past their cuteness factor. Tonight they looked like preschoolers albeit with bibs and sippy cups. When Kate does not rant and rave it really is a boring show. Maybe she needs to renew the contract, keep the kids out of it and we could just watch her and Jon go at each other. May be more interesting than cooking Korean. Think I'll pass from now on.

FIONA said...

Aaden-crying on his bed...then laying down and falling asleep, thumb in mouth, chewie in hand.

(He thought he was by himself in his saddness, but nope, we were all peeping on little Aaden via a hidden camera in his closet.

I am sorry Aaden, truly! You do deserve you privacy, little man.

Anonymous said...

Anon. said: "PLEASE don't tell me this is more ad nauseum repetition of internet gossip and "facts" from "Jodi's sister's" site, people. Whoever is writing that blog keeps switching to "speculation" about Jodi's feeling on certain subjects, i.e., "I can only imagine how Jodi felt about XYZ." Wouldn't her sweet sister KNOW how Jodi felt, since they talk SOOO often????"

It is fact that it is indeed Jodi's sister! FACT!

Even over on the Facebook Fan Group people have emailed Jon and asked him about it and he admits it is really Jodi's real sister. But he refuses to comment further on what she says on her blog.

Also Julie BROKE the name of Jodi's replacement (New Nanny) on her blog several weeks ago and tonight!

VOILA! Jenny is shown.

Anonymous said...

If I was Jenny I would try to pull a "Single White Female" with a touch of "the hand that rocks the cradle" and a touch of "poison Ivy" haha... just kidding! well, maybe. just not with any death just a litte divorce. :o)

Anonymous said...

I believe it is Jodi's sister but I don't really care what her kids think of an episode but what her sister has to say about it. Just my opinion.

my3girls said...

The tone did seem a little kinder despite a couple of Kate's comments.

Just wondering.. where is Cara in all this? It seemed to me that the camera was purposely not on her. The back of her head was shown at the end hugging Jon.. but other than that, she was not in this episode.

I get the feeling she wants nothing to do with the show.

On another note, I get the Hawaiian influence because of where his mother grew up, but if you're going to do Korean then do Korean.. don't have mochi and fortune cookies!

Anonymous said...

I really enjoyed tonights episode. I felt like all around everyone was relaxed and truly enjoyed themselves and each other. Granted Kate had to act like Kate and is unable to just "unwind" and enjoy someone else cooking for her. (if she doesn't have a chef, I have no opinion either way).

I was going to say though, about Aaden being forced to go to his bedroom...I completely agree with Kate. Can Aaden show emotion, absolutely but he shouldn't be disturbing everyone else. Kate had a project planned and offered for him to join, he chose to go upstairs.

When I have children around me crying because a parent has left(I teach preschool, age 4), I usually sit them in the other room (it's attached and there is an open door to see them - I'm not neglectful in any way :) ) and say "I don't need to hear this. Mommy/Daddy always comes back. You cry here and when you are ready to join me and everyone else, you may" So here I completely am on board with how Kate reacted.

I did find it adorable how Jon and Joel interact. I do wish Kate would find it in her heart to acknowledge the boys more because I agree...The boys notice.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Jon will get off potty emptying duty now that Jenny's on board.

Anonymous said...

Well that had to be the least authentic Korean meal I have ever seen lol.
Overall good episode,just the little cultural inaccuracies that bothered me. It's BULGOGI JON! xD

Anonymous said...

In Korea they dont even call it Mochi, thats a Japanese name. Its called Dduk in Korea.

Darcy said...

Just wondering.. where is Cara in all this? It seemed to me that the camera was purposely not on her. The back of her head was shown at the end hugging Jon.. but other than that, she was not in this episode.

Wow! Great observation... I have no idea why Cara isn't on lately. I wonder if she IS getting sick of the cameras. I'm glad, if that is the case, that they are respecting her wishes.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how many of the good church ladies who attend the Gosselins "motivational lectures" take to their beds in the middle of the day to play on their computers?

I wonder how many of those same ladies freak out when their husband is in THEIR kitchen, cooking the family a meal? And, just my opinion here...someone, anyone, please get that freak (yes, I mean Kate) some meds.

Finally, I wonder if their donors have actually watched "Jon and Kate + 8?"

Anonymous said...

I have to say, I thought the Hawaiian fried rice looked delicious! My mouth was watering. Kate should definitely relinquish the kitchen more often.

Anonymous said...

Sorry. I don't see any evidence in this new blog by Jodi's "sister" that she is, in fact, who she says she is. Anyone could have gotten Jodi's sister's name and be making comments based on what we all see on TV. Her last three posts were just a re-hash of the Gumgate show as far as I could see, telling us what we already could see with our own eyes.

For someone with "insider" information, what she has to say is really quite limited and could easily be fabricated...Creative Writing 101. And, considering she started off the whole blog under the premise that she wasn't going to talk about the show, just defend Jodi, she's gone way off her mark.

Now, before I get blasted by those of you who claim to "know" Jodi's sister, let me just say, I DO NOT think Kate treated Jodi well in that episode. But I'm not going to make judgements on all the other "facts" based on what some anonymous poster with an active imagination is putting on the internet to gain attention ... YES, ATTENTION...because if she really loved Jodi she wouldn't give Kate any more attention that she deserves.

Yes, I did see "Jenny" appear tonight. Doesn't prove to me that the person with that information is a relative. Any person who works for the production company would have that information before the show airs, for example.

I'll just say that the proof is in the puddin'. If you're going to stand up for what you believe in, that what you're saying is true and the Gosselin children are your true concern, why hide??? If you're telling the truth there should be no shame in showing your face to the world. And don't tell me you're afraid of the big, scary Jon&Kate Machine.

If I'm wrong, I'll be happy to say so. But until I see a personal chef on TV or Kate's family (funny how it's never any members of Jon's family that "comes out" to the public) makes a public statement voicing concerns about the Gosselin childrens' wellbeing, I think I'll keep the tar and feathers on the back burner.

Anonymous said...

I thought I caught a glimpse or Cara (maybe it was the end of the previous episode), and it may have been my 15 inch screen, but it looked like she had braces! Anyone else see anything like that?

Also I want to know a time line on this episode--the girls were in school they were wearing jackets. Was this before or after the 4th birthday? I would guess before. Someone please correct me if possible.

BunnyHop said...

Well, Anon 7:53 PM hopefully you will never be watching my children. I too used to teach pre-school and have a degree in Early Childhood Education. Throughout all of my teachings, it was said to comfort the child and get their attention on an activity they can have fun with. You don't take a child who is upset that their parent left and put them in the other room. It will take so much longer for them to calm down and usually will ruin their entire day.

I was a kid that would get really upset when my mom left. I remember many times I was given an activity to do and I was happy as a clam within minutes. Once, with a different caregiver, I was put in the other room to cry. I cried the entire time my mom was gone. It's ok to hug a child and tell them everything will be ok and interact with them. You can't spoil a child with love.

If Kate's excuse is that she can't do that since she has so many kids to care for, then I say she sucks as a mother. If I could do it as the only teacher of a class of eight two year olds, Kate can do it. Oh and btw, I am a mother and not someone who dispenses childcare advice blindly. I would never treat my children half as bad as K&J treat theirs.

Anonymous said...

OK, the show was interesting enough tonight - not too much drama and Kate was tolerable enough. I liked how it focused on the family at home and wasn't contrived. Hell, even if the producers suggested this type of epi/scenario, so what? It looked like they all had a good dinner. Jon was acting like a man should, they played nice nice to each other. I wish Kate would shut up during their couch interview and let him speak instead of interrupting the conversation to get her thoughts in. Let the man speak, LISTEN, and then ask a question or whatever but it isn't necessary okay?!!!
A couple thoughts though:

1. It seems really Kate can't do any right in some eyes. Some of you are becoming as nit picky as Kate is so be careful. Just so you think I'm not really defending her because honestly, I can't stand her. OK, so she said Collin was eating like a pig - I think she meant it like the animal and not as a description. I call my boys piggies when they eat and they laugh and we have a giggle.

2. She didn't send Aaden up to his room to experience his emotional upset on his own. Even the experts will tell you that if the kids can't calm down, you should send them to their room so they can calm down. As long as it's not used as a punishment. He calmed down didn't he? I thought it was nice she gave him the choice to do that or do the activity the others were doing. And I think I saw her rub his back.

3. The kids weren't in identical outfits finally! The boys were in similar clothes but different colors at least and the girls - don't remember what they were wearing but they weren't all the same.

4. The fact that the kids weren't screaming bloody hell from the wasabi peas is a sure sign they've eat plenty of Korean/Asian food or at least been exposed to a serious palate. I can't eat them, and my husband can (he's SE Asian) and even he thinks they're really spicy.

5. Give Jon a break, he cooked the family a meal that seemed to take hours and he wasn't acting like a martyr. He really seemed to be enjoying his contribution and Kate was sort of pleasant about it. I don't like others in "my kitchen" either but I love it when the husband cooks for us all.

6. The kids were doing a structured activity but was it with Kate or Jenny? Don't know but at least they have some structured activity that they enjoyed.

All in all, I'd say it was 10 times better than recent ones and you could tell all were much more relaxed being at home and being together. I have no doubt they have a lot of love for each other. They just need to work out some major wrinkles and turn us and the cameras out of their lives. And oh yeah, stop cheating the public and stop telling lies. Yeah I had to get that last dig in!

green said...

Aaden is obviously upset, couldn't Kate walk over and give the kid a hug. She sends him to time-out and makes comments to the camera. Did the camera crew follow him upstairs and film him upset or was that the "temporary" camera?

I did not need to see him alone on his bed in the boy's room crying and clutching his comfort toy/blankie. Give the little tyke some privacy. I was glad to see him in a better mood later.

sabrinasmom said...

Did they need to wear the "Asian" shirts (Jon's even had a Buddah on it!)? How about the "Asian" music played throughout? Did it make it more "aunthentic"?

Loved how Jon didn't even know the correct name of what he cooked - BULGOGI (and that he served the kids with his fingers - Kate must have loved that). But, what did you expect from Jon - the only other glimpse into his "Korean-ness" is we know he knows the word for fart.

I love how earlier in the thread someone said it would be funny if they ate with chopsticks (and they did).

Interesting to know that Jon's Mom is not Korean, but Korean-American (US Born). Also that she was raised in Hawaii.

Did anyone catch the bow at the end? (and the fortune cookies- which are not even Chinese?)

Also, who was watching the kids before Jenny arrived? They were already in the driveway when she walked up. Kate was in BED! while Jon was cooking.

tx-redhead said...

I have just found this site and I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who thinks Kate is annoying. Actually, I'm beginning to think she's OCD and will make her kids that way! BTW I'm not a professional...just my opinion. And goodness, Kate, do something besides standing around holding your hands! Let people in your kitchen, let your kids get dirty and be kids! And I hope Maddy is getting some individual attention. She will be (will be?) a handful when she becomes a teenager! This show is like watching a train wreck. I get so frustrated but I keep watching. The kids are adorable! Oh yeah, Kate...quit belittling Jon! OK...I'm done..for now.

Darcy said...

Also, who was watching the kids before Jenny arrived? They were already in the driveway when she walked up. Kate was in BED! while Jon was cooking.

That was due to editing. The kids were in bed when Kate was reading her emails. I simply can't fault the woman for sitting in bed when the kids nap. So what?

I don't get why everyone is ripping on the meal because it's not "Korean enough". Jon said he was cooking HIS FAMILY'S traditional foods. Who cares if they ate with chopsticks? It was supposed to be fun. If Kate made them eat with forks everybody would cry foul. "Let the kids use some chopsticks for crying out loud!!"

I thought the situation with Aaden was handeled well. She gave him the choice of a project or his bedroom and he willingly went up to his room. It's not as if she drug him up the stairs and flung him into his room, locking the door behind her.

sabrinasmom said...

That was due to editing. The kids were in bed when Kate was reading her emails. I simply can't fault the woman for sitting in bed when the kids nap. So what?

I concede - in terms of timing, but I still did not see an adult watching them prior to Jenny's arrival.

I don't get why everyone is ripping on the meal because it's not "Korean enough".

I can only speak for myself, but I am just tired of Jon and Kate misrepresenting themselves in general. Most of the things they claim are variations of the truth or blatant lies. The situations are contrived.

Anonymous said...

After what we all have been through, I can't look at this show with anything but a cynical eye.

I'm sorry, but if Jon has never cooked before there is no way he would have make the hawaiian rice so perfect like it was. He was chopping scallions then suddenly "through the magic of television" there is the finished dish! I don't believe he cooked it. I don't even think he marinated the beef.. he might possibly have grilled. I think these were just random recipes pieced together by the producer resources based on Jon's exotic ethnicity. I don't believe one minute of anything they claim on there anymore. It's all just ads for future ventures.

I can't help but think this is just a pre ad for the recipe book Kate has alluded to. and she said many times that jon had to work hard to get the secret family recipes from his family. I can see it now "Ancient organic asian secrets for health and longevity. If it works for the 8, it can work for YOUR kids."

Kate was obviously on better behavior but the lame "asian" music and stupid stereotypes managed to offend me. i think enough is enough with these rubes. Go away.

I am interested in what aunt jodi's sister has to say but I wish she would share more facts with us and not go off into too much speculation like we do here.

I went through the three installments wanting to know what was the "worst of Kate's reaction" that wasnt shown on tv. I still don't know.

Anonymous said...

I think if you are going to cook Korean, cook Korean. I think it's very important to not lump all of Asia together and pander to white stereotypes of what they think "Asians" are like. If they are Korean and Jon wants to make Korean. that is fine. No need to add the lame asian music and dilute it down and lump all asians and asian food customs together, in the guise of doing a multicultural show. I think they brought in Jon's mother's hawaaian influences in order to be justified in that hodgepodge they did and so they could bring on all the sterotypes ( and have Kate say Ancient Chinese secret 10 times!)

sabrinasmom said...

I love how at the end Kate says when the kids get older they will call and ask "Can I have the recipe for....?"

and then Kate will be able to say

"Real cooks don't need recipes."

They really set themselves up for these things don't they? Snark, indeed.

elizabeth said...

This episode was quite wonderful and really brought the family together. They enjoyed the meal, they all appreciated what Jon did, and Kate even expressed her joy and appreciation.

And yet people still pick out things that make this episode look like utter, sheer terror.

Seriously, people, like someone earlier said, some of you are becoming a little too Kate-like with your own OCD obsession about the wrong-doings of the Gosselin parents. Must you rip up everything? Must you criticize Jon for wanting to do something nice for his family, for taking time to go shopping, to cook the hours-long meal .. whatever he did cook definitely had Korean influences, and perhaps he should apologize to all of you who are unsatisfied for not preparing a precise meal you'd find in an authentic Korean restaurant. What he cooked was a family tradition, and that's what was important - it was a FAMILY tradition. The kids don't know that fortune cookies are/aren't Korean; to them, they are being educated on their Asian influences, and it doesn't matter to them in which EXACT CITY OR PROVINCE the fortune cookie was invented.

Steph said...

Jon's GRANDMOTHER IS involved with the kids. She was at their 3rd birthday party. I have no doubt that Jon, Kate and the kids visit her and have Korean/Hawaiian meals. Jon was saying that HIS Korean family recipes were influenced by living in Hawaii.

I also believe their chef "helped" Jon prepare some of the food. But he still did it despite Kate trying to sabotage it.

I think the tups were familiar with the food or they probably wouldn't have been so excited about it.

The exchange between Jon and Joel was sweet. Joel said, "I am your son" and Jon said, "You ARE my son and I love you." And it appeared natural and unrehearsed. Thanks, Jon.

Anonymous said...

Dumb show. More Kate-crap, crying kids, and boring to boot.
A wonderful opportunity for Jon to explain Korean traditions and customs to the kids (and educating the viewers at the same time) blown in favor of "It's all about me" Kate pissing and moaning about Jon cooking in the kitchen. Where, pray tell was he supposed to do the deed? I know...the bathroom! With potties scattered hither and yon, and teeth/hair getting brushed, nails clipped, and stitches removed in the kitchen/dining area, the bathroom isn't being used. Probably more sanitary too. On what subject matter is TLC planning to churn out 40-50 more episodes of this drivel. Jump the shark, cook the shark, eat the shark.....end it already.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

"I would love to know more about the whole "personal chef" for the Gosselins. Do they actually have someone who comes to their house to make their meals?"

From what I've heard, from my parents and Jodi, this doesn't sound like meals that were assembled like some are thinking. Jodi specifically used the words "personal chef" and they all say the food is incredible. The meals are delivered to their house, along with a bouquet of fresh cut flowers.

When I started my blog, on the first post "Lets Make a Deal", I said I'd like to talk about what's bothing me. Of course, that is going to involve Jodi. I'd like others to know what has happened to her and why she won't be around. I have a family and a full time job. I can't just sit on the computer all day telling stories. I do know about the grandparents, Jon's job, other "inside" information. I'm trying to take it slow and start out with things that involve Jodi. I'm not hiding. J&K know it's me and so do the other members of the family. It's funny because no one who knows J&K has questioned anything that I've said. They accept it as fact.

Juliet said...

My husband and I hate "reality" TV shows. But we gave Jon and Kate Plus Eight a chance for two reasons: the cute kids and the knowledge that this was probably the closest we would get to seeing a couple even remotely like us on television. My husband is Asian American (Chinese) and I am "white" American (British and French heritage).

So, even though we have been alternately upset and annoyed by recent episodes of J&K+8, we were excited to see the Korean cooking episode. We were glad to see an episode exploring the Asian heritage that the children share with Jon. And although neither of us are Korean, my husband and I love Korean food, and I even know how to make a few dishes. (I am especially good at making kimchi chigae and dukbokki.)

The show was better than it's been in awhile, and certainly less painful to watch than last week's wreck of an episode. The kids were adorable, as usual, and I thought it was cute how they were arguing about who was more Asian. I liked seeing Jon, Alexis and Joel at the market, too. Our family makes a weekly trip to at least one Asian market a week, so it felt familiar. By the way, durian is a delicious fruit. It is the ice cream of fruit, even if it does stink.

There were, of course, a couple of things that made me uncomfortable. Aaden getting put in time out because he wanted to be with his daddy (as Joel had before) and then crying himself to sleep really hurt my heart. It's not like he had done anything wrong. He was just upset. Couldn't Kate have taken a little time while the other kids were doing their projects to talk to him and comfort him? Time out is not the answer to everything.

Kate was a little better this week, though. We still had her Kate moments, but they were not as severe as we have seen so very recently. She also seemed truly grateful for the meal that Jon made. Too bad she had to pepper her gratitude with complaining.

I really liked Jon this week. He worked hard to make a nice meal for his family, and he seems proud of his Korean heritage. It is nice to see him passing on this pride to his children.

I think that part of the reason that this week's episode worked so well is that the family was at home, doing things that were pretty natural. There was no contrived trip to some outside place that could cause stress or tension. It was just very real. This might also explain why Kate was semi-tolerable this week.

I think that the show should continue to focus on the family in a normal, every day way. Part of the reason that I have become so disenchanted with the show lately is because everything appears to be so forced. Even though I'm sure the family doesn't mind the free trips and the perks that come with them, the stress of it all is taking a toll on the family.

I think that I speak for many when I say that I would much rather see a normal, happy family than an unhappy family put into unnatural situations for the sake of ratings. It would be preferable to us as viewers. More importantly, it would be better for the family we are watching.

Anonymous said...

"....but the more I read the more skeptical I am of Jodi's sister."

She has pictures of herself and Jodi posted on her site today. I believed her before, but appreciate the effort to convince more of us.

aly,benji n siennas mom said...

This ep. was WAY BETTER than the last few weeks.

It was noticeable that the kids knew and had experienced Korean food, and for that I am glad.

And for those that doubt Julie (Jodi's Sister) I mean come on she talked about Jenny in MAY!!!! And yesterday to our surprise who walked up the driveway no other than JENNY!

my3girls said...

Elizabeth said... "The kids don't know that fortune cookies are/aren't Korean; to them, they are being educated on their Asian influences, and it doesn't matter to them in which EXACT CITY OR PROVINCE the fortune cookie was invented."

IMO, in fact it does matter... Your comment seems to imply that .. "all Asians are alike". Not so.. My husband is Korean and I can tell you that Korean food is very different from Chinese & Japanese... besides.. the headline was Jon cooks Korean. There are a lot of viewers with Korean influences in their life and were disheartened to see a diluted version of a Korean dinner.. including an incorrect pronunciation of the food. He could have also included some kind of chigae or duk.. a huge part of Korean food culture. There are many Korean grocery stores in the Philadelphia area and he could have easily gotten authentic Korean ingredients.. and they certainly have the help to take the slightly longer drive to Philadelphia.

Kudos to Jon for cooking and trying to bring the family together for this great meal, however.. it fell a little short.

MB said...

No one has commented on something that REALLY stuck out to me last night. WHen Kate was working on the project with the kids, it was really interesting to me that she made a comment about the kids being "behind" on their cutting skills because she didn't let them use scissors early enough. It was as humble as I think we're ever gonna get from Kate - an admission that her idiosyncracies negatively impacted the kids.

It was good for me, though, to see her doing something with the kids - seemed SO much less scripted and contrived to see them interacting at home, casually.

Anonymous said...

I agree with previous posters, this ep was way better and the kids made me laugh - that Alexis is so darn adorable and funny. It was interesting to see how the kids seem to embrace and be proud of their roots they get from their dad. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it was a nice change of pace and lighter tone than when it's all about Kate and Kate's roots (Mr. Clean?. just kidding). Anyway, about the Aaden thing, I agree Kate didn't really hurt the poor fella. But I also think she just "shoved" him in bed (so to speak) to make the problem go away. I am really starting to feel their exasperation. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying the kids are 4 y/o and both parents seem a tad jaded, sarcastic to the point where they just clump all the kids together as one loud, crying burden. Rules are rules, if Aaden won't play, then he MUST go to bed because if Kate were to pull him aside and actually speak to him, then all order would be lost in the universe and the kids would take over the household. Unfortunately I think this is only encouraging or prolonging the kids' babyish habits - or how some have commented, the fact that all they sometimes do is cry and scream or hit when upset. That's all they've been taught to do. It's a reward and punishment system with little in between (that we see, I don't claim to know their household 24 hours). My other issue is the inconsistency. If that had been Hannah whining and crying (as we see her do, I always think it's odd how Kate says Hannah is so superiorly behaved to the rest. I don't see it.) I have doubts Kate would have just dismissed her and sent her away. I'm not saying J&K terrorize the kids, so please don't list a million reasons why they're "not in danger" - I know that. I'm just saying the bias against some of the children (esp. the boys) is sad. I wonder if J&K are in way over their heads.

Anonymous said...

Just a random post from a lurker. One of the many Anonymous posts from 7/14 asked where these Korean ingredients came from since Etown doesn't have an Asian market. The episode shows Jon entereing a market that I am familiar with - it is in Harrisburg and it is about a half hour away from their house. You are right, Etown doesn't have an Asian market, but the surrounding area does.

speaking from experience! said...

Its funny how the kids say (supposedly) that this one is or isn't asian...its almost like an insult to the other kid to be called 'white like mommy' I'm sure they don't say it like that-- but kinda like the week Joel (?) said he was a girl, and the time one of the boys called Kate a boy-- cause thats the worst thing to be {there}. No one wants to be what kate is. haha.

Talking from experience here, my husband is SE Asian (India), I'm American and my boys are quick to point out who is white or brown in our family and identify themselves as white, etc. My one boy looks just like his dad and the other looks just like me but they look like each other. I have a friend who's boys are of the same mix and they identify themselves as "white" as well. There is nothing wrong with that and is quite common in multicultural/racial homes so don't see it as a negative. It's all about identity and who they see themselves as they relate to the parents. It's not a matter of color even though they speak in those terms because they're too young to understand the implications of labeling asian/white. I don't remember which Gosselin girl was called white but it's just silly to think they're being mean to her on purpose. They just say what they see and technically, all of them are 3/4 white/european and only 1/4 Korean. Being "asian" to them is exotic and beautiful because they're mother likes it. It's good she is embracing they're heritage and not being negative about it because the kids get their cues from their parents on how they relate to their own identity. I always have to remind myself of that. For example, I cook Indian food a lot and there are things I don't like but make because the husband grew up eating them. My boys don't like some things but I tell them that when they are 30 they are going to miss this home food. My point being is that kids need to figure out their identity with the parents help. Jon is not 100% Korean and his hodgepodge of "asian" food is no big deal. So what? He made an effort for them is all that counts. The only thing stereotypical was that lame ass music in the background. Let's not forget that Jon is American and raised with American values/culture and he had a white father or "dude" lol. Boys usually identify more with their fathers so him not being able to pronounce properly or know ingredients, etc. is not important. He made an effort to do something different.

One question I had was after complaining and separating all the green and white onions, didn't he just throw them all together in that pan in the end anyway? What was the point of that?

Anonymous said...

Yes, there are lots mo' betta Asian mkts in the burbs of Philly.

Like Assi Plaza, Lansdale and HMart in Upper Darby and Elkins Park

Anonymous said...

The kids obviously "knew" Korean food - there is no way a 4 year old would eat spicy stuff (Wasabi peas anyone?) without even a hint of a "WTF is this crap???????"

And about sending Aaden(? I forgot which one) up to his room because he was upset - let's not rip apart this woman for every.single.parenting.decision. she ever makes because we think she's whackadoo in general. God knows there is not a perfect parent among us - some of us would have sent him up to his room calm down - some would have tried to get him involved in the project.

Anonymous said...

Few opinions on last night's episode.

I, too thought last night's episode carried alot of stereotyping undertones. All the couch and dinner talk of who is Asian vs who is White, who is more Asian just didnt sit well with me. I hope it isnt a result of J & K imposing their us and them mentality on to the children.
But 4 year old little Leah I think it was came out the brightest and most astute of them all, including J & K by saying, 'we are all Asian'.

I felt the tearful meltdown of the boy tup sitting on his bed to be painful and disturbing to watch. Not because he was sent to his room, but the fact that there was a BIG CAMERA invading his private space(yes I do think a child's bed is a private space) and towering over him.
I had the same disturbing feeling when the camera crew followed Collin around in the furniture store when he was constipated. Camera intentionally focused on the back of his pants as he walks, extreme close ups of his face dripping in sweat from pain.
Both episodes, IMO the footage was exploitive and uneccessary. I find nothing entertaining about a child's real and obvious pain.

During the project portion of the episode. I was really surprised at how delayed the children are with respect to their ability to perform simple pre school age activities, ie holding and using scissors, ability to follow a simple line using a CRAYON or PENCIL (not a big circle ink dotter), and just their overall inability to follow simple task instruction. This is a project activity that Kate should have been encouraging the children at age 2.

Laurie Marie said...

I don't think these kids are any more developmentally delayed than most children. Using a scissors isn't easy for little hands and the co-ordination required is something that develops over time. They are only 3 going on 4 here. The big circle ink dotter is new and is meant to help them learn to manipulate writing instruments in the future. What's the big deal here? i never gave my twins scissors at age 2. That's just ridiculous.

elizabeth said...

Anonymous: "During the project portion of the episode. I was really surprised at how delayed the children are with respect to their ability to perform simple pre school age activities, ie holding and using scissors, ability to follow a simple line using a CRAYON or PENCIL (not a big circle ink dotter), and just their overall inability to follow simple task instruction. This is a project activity that Kate should have been encouraging the children at age 2."

This is simply your opinion; all children develop differently and that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them or, necessarily, their parents. My younger brother, at the age of four, wasn't good with cutting or writing, but he was incredibly bright at other things; doesn't mean the kid is developmentally behind.

Are YOU a child psychologist? Can you accurately defend your opinions here? When the Gosselin children are twenty years old, will you be able to say, "Oh yes, I can tell they didn't know how to use scissors are the age of four, it's really messed them up for life, hasn't it?"

Anonymous said...

I felt like the project was more damage control by TLC because we've been saying for ages that they never do mind improving projects with Kate. Also, now that Jodi is gone, Kate is trying to act like she fills that role. I think this is setting the stage for homeschooling.

I like how jodi's out and Jenny's in and not even a mention of Jodi. I'll bet they won't even speak of jodi anymore other than in passing. pretty sad.

K.C. said...

It looks like J&K's PR firm has been hard at work:

Here is the link to the full Procter & Gamble Co. press release:

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS151891+28-Feb-2008+PRN20080228

Excerpt from Procter & Gamble Co. press release (Feb-28-2008):

America's favorite super mom and star of TLC's "Jon & Kate Plus 8," Kate Gosselin has joined P&G to help raise awareness of global clean water issues and World Water Day in March by offering advice on simple ways people can save money, while also improving the lives of others.
"As a mother of twins and sextuplets, saving money is crucial in managing my household expenses, but it's equally important to instill a sense of giving back to important causes," said Gosselin. "By redeeming P&G brandSAVER coupons during the Give PUR Water program, I not only save money on my weekly shopping, but my purchases activate donations of clean water to children in need."

Anonymous said...

And about sending Aaden(? I forgot which one) up to his room because he was upset - let's not rip apart this woman for every.single.parenting.decision. she ever makes because we think she's whackadoo in general. God knows there is not a perfect parent among us - some of us would have sent him up to his room calm down - some would have tried to get him involved in the project.

If I saw everything as an "isolated incident", I'd probably give Kate a pass on poor parenting, too. But, I've paid attention and see a pattern and I've come to the conclusion that Kate Gosselin isn't going to get a pass from me. She's not a typical mom who sometimes makes mistakes; she's a repeat offender.

Instead of dealing with a problem child, she banishes and isolates the kid or kids. When Jon's in screaming range, she foists the "stupid acting" offenders on him. She can't deal with her kids when they're melting down. We've seen many, many examples of her lack of parenting skills in this respect, too.

When those kids get older, they might act out just for the bliss of isolated peace and quiet -- like Mady. Some of them may be paying attention and seeing that the squeaky wheel gets to watch television, alone, behind closed doors. And as far as I'm concerned, Kate's setting the stage for that to happen.

Anonymous said...

Do you think Kate told Jon not to disclose the ingredients in the 2 recipes because they will be part of the "cookbook" we've been hearing about?

**Disclaimer: I put the word "cookbook" in quotes because I am not 100% certain there will be a cookbook but have heard its possibility discussed on "the internets." Just thought I'd need to clarify that for some posters..

Anonymous said...

Yes I do think she may have acted coy about the secret ingredients because of the alleged cookbook she wants to put out. I mentioned that a few posts up. I have read somewhere that she has mentioned a cookbook of "great recipes for a big family on a budget" so I don't think it is entirely rumor.

I think this episode was groundwork to make us think that Jon and she have secret recipes "ancient chinese secret!" that they have wrastled away from jon's korean grandmother and mother during all the funfilled asian family dinners that they have had over the years (eyeroll)

Anonymous said...

I also want to add that I don't think her timeouts are accomplishing anything. With aaden this episode I cant help but think a two second moment where she gets down at eye level with him and explains "aaden honey, remember that you went with daddy yesterday so it's only fair that joel and alexis (or leah?) go with him next time... you will have a turn again very soon." along with a comforting hug might have worked wonders. Children are not unreasonable fit throwers for no reason. He might have just needed a little acknowledgement and care. Then he probably could have accepted it and could have done the project.

These children are being taught that their emotional pain and negative emotions are bad, but that they do get rewarded by quiet time alone when they act out. They are at the age where they can understand a reasonable explanation, and if they werent being condescended to or ignored when they are unhappy, these fits might stop.

I remember my cousin at age 1 or 2 always wanting to go out with whoever was going out...if he heard the door starting to open he would suddenly show up with his shoes from wherever he was in the house and state "I coming!" Well we couldnt take him out all the time so when he couldnt we would get down and explain why this time he couldnt but that he could when we were going mext time....even at that young age, he could understand and most of the time he would accept it. But he was being cared for in other ways so his behavior wasnt due to separation anxiety or neglect.

FIONA said...

Can Aaden show emotion, absolutely but he shouldn't be disturbing everyone else.


And he should be allowed to show that emotion in the safe haven of his bedroom, too!

Anonymous said...

I think Kate's reaction and interactions with her boys are just old tradition on how boys should behave. She sees them as icky and gross and doesn't want to have anything to do with their emotional outbursts. It's probably how she was raised and she doesn't realize it. Boys in American society are taught not to show emotion and if they are going to cry, to do it somewhere else. It's a "straighjacket" of societal norms. That is changing now but there millions of people who still believe in raising their boys as if they can't show emotion and have to tough it out. People do it without even realizing - the simplest of things such as smiling at girls as babies and trying to quiet boys when they act up. If you read a book called Real Boys you'll understand it better. We all do it to some extent and don't even realize it. We expect our men to be strong and silent, yet sensitive but if they're overly emotional they're seen as weak, etc. People naturally nurture girls and their emotions and you people can clearly see that Kate is doing it because it's prob how she was raised. Boys and girls have always been treated differently in every culture.

moi said...

If Jon and Kate publish a cookbook I will LMAO, as "real cooks don't need recipes."

Anonymous said...

Julie,

Thank you for posting a picture of youself and Jodi on your blog. It does give more validity to your position than a spare blog page.

But may I ask...aside from your desire as a sister to make sure Jodi's plight is known by the viewing public, where is your blog going at this point? I can understand wanting people to know if Kate treated Jodi badly, but, seriously, all the other info on the Gosselins will not only hurt Kate, it will eventually hurt those kids (i.e., putting more of a wedge than Kate already may have in the family interrelationships).

How does Jodi feel about your blog? Unless she feels the relationship is irrevocably broken with the Gosselins, why would she condone what you're saying about them beyond her involvement? And if she feels so strongly, as you do, why not come forward herself? I mean, she's been kicked out, right?

You're not exactly quoting Jodi with regards to certain issues, more repeating stuff that we've read on the internet for months now, so it makes me wonder. I don't particularly care to know any more juicy tidbits. I'm speaking to what you have already chosen to discuss.

Look, do what you have to do, but your motives are unclear at this point and that will make people question what you have to say.

Anyway, I can appreciate you standing up for your sister. I don't think Kate has outwardly treated her well. Just be careful you're not swept up in the manic fervor that surrounds this topic and do more harm than good.

FIONA said...

A couple of things that are bothering me.

The show last night didn't live up to many people's standards because it wasn't Korean enough. I think Jon did the best he knew, given the way he was raised. He was clear to state he had Hawaiian influence, so the fact that he didn't pronounce a word correctly or cook something exactly 100% Korean is nit picking. (I don't like defending the G's at all, but I have to be honest)

I think he cooked a sampling of what he has had in the past. It looked yummy, and we are all glad the kids have been exposed to at least one of Jon's family members. This is a good thing! Plus, Jon seemed to enjoy it! Another good thing. Who cares if they had fortune cookies...it worked. The kids liked it, another plus. So really let's keep the dissecting to when it is really deserved...IMO. We lose crediblity I think when we just pick. Yea, the show was kindof dull, we got to see the kids a bit more. Thank God, it was better than last week. We all needed a break. Kate was Kate.

Second, I can understand why some people are a bit bugged by how/when Julie dispenses info to us. She claims to know more, and I don't know her reasoning behind the cliffhanger posts, but it is her choice to post how she sees fit.

My personal concern is if she knows things about the children, then I think it is her responsiblity, more so, Jodi's and Kevin's to come forward.


I think that is why she may be losing a little crediblity.

My own view is I welcome her, and am glad to have an insider verify what we have thought all along.

Fiona

Anonymous said...

Elizabeth,

I agree that observations expressed in my orignal post was MY OPINION ONLY. No where in my post did I claim to be an EXPERT in the field of child psychology or that of child development. Nor did I make reference to something being "wrong" with the children. Those are your words!
Considering the fact that the words expressed in my orignal post were that of MY OPINION as you so clearly and obviously agree, I feel no need "accurately defend" them further.

Darcy said...

Did anyone else notice they have a brand new "little white van"? My hubby noticed.

SmartyQ said...

No one has commented on something that REALLY stuck out to me last night. WHen Kate was working on the project with the kids, it was really interesting to me that she made a comment about the kids being "behind" on their cutting skills because she didn't let them use scissors early enough.

The remedial working with scissors really stuck out for me too. Perhaps, however, for a different reason. IIRC, none of the kids was allowed to use markers at the Crayola Factory, but all were allowed to use scissors.

When everyone moved to the craft place and Mady was sent to the bench, I remember the tups using scissors. I was horrified that six children sitting close to each other were waving around scissors, and Kate made nary a peep—unlike the gigantic squawks over the washable markers.

If someone has this episode on DVD, DVR, whatever, could you please check on this? I'm prepared to stand corrected or to continue to be bumfuzzled by Kate's priorities. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Add the blueberry pancakes Kate made on Sunday morning in earlier episodes to the list of foods she prepares USING A RECIPE!
Kate should really think before she speaks especially when she is attempting to puff her own ego at the expense of others, ie Jon. More often then not, her comments just make her look 'stupid'.

Anonymous said...

moi said...
If Jon and Kate publish a cookbook I will LMAO, as "real cooks don't need recipes."

Bravo!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I think she probably meant that good cooks know you can deviate from a recipe a little bit. Jon was insisting that you have to follow the recipe to a T when she said "real cooks don't need a recipe." Be it right or wrong, I kind of agree that a good cook doesn't need to follow a recipe. My mom is a prime example, she always cooks exactly from a recipe down to the last grain of salt and she freaks out if I deviate from the recipe. She is a decent cook, but she has never had anyone tell her she is a fantastic cook. I've had a couple of "wow" moments from people, and it was always where I used a recipe, but was not afraid to deviate from the recipe.

Just as an aside, even though Kate was a little nuts about her kitchen (which given her anxiety issues I guess is kind of understandable), she was very nice to Jon about the food. She said the rice was very good and he had "done it" when he brought her the rice to sample. She said the dinner was so perfect she was willing to relinquish her kitchen once a week if he would cook for them. Given all the bitching about how horrid Kate is to Jon, and she never has anything nice to say I'd think people would have at least given her that. However, I think people hate her so much that they will only seize on what she does wrong, never what she does right.

Anonymous said...

The "little white van" has been there for a while, Jon usually takes it to work I believe.

Look, I'm a recovering sheeple myself, but I think a lot of people have really gone overboard on nitpicking last night's show apart. They don't show *every* little detail people. You don't know that Kate didn't try to comfort Aeden. She might have, and it ended up on the cutting room floor.

You want to see her do more "messy" projects with the kids, she does, and then she's not doing it right. Or they should have been doing it all along. Or the kids are delayed.

She can't win for losing. You guys can't have it both ways either. I thought it was a good show, not great, but void of all the usual things that are irksome, and it didn't seem "forced" this time. It was much more natural.

My SIL is Korean, and her and my brother have a young son. I think it's nice that Jon is passing on some tradition (and they are, coincidentally, raising him in Hawaii). But he can't do that right either. Someone picks on his rice. Or his cooking. On and on and on.

I just think some people on here (not the people running the blog) are starting to look petty, picking apart the show at every turn.

God forbid anyone holds us a magnifying glass to your family.

Dew said...

I've had Korean bbq several times, I just can't get into it. The last restaurant I went to had trays just like theirs for their lunches.

Julie told us about Jenny before Jenny was ever mentioned on the show. This week she made her first appearance, confirming what Julie told us. Thus, point Julie.

Was Jenny eating at the table with them? Geez, could they feed their nanny something for working all day? I think it's so rude to send your nanny home just before supper. Of course it wouldn't look right to have the nanny sitting right there. Kate in bed in the middle of the day with her laptop. Lazzzzy. Pathhhhetic. It's so ridiculous how many childcare givers these poor children have been through in the last several months. Where are those other nannies? Where's the older women? Where is Jodi and Beth? Sigh. Even celebrity children average a good six months before their parents drive away their nanny. Kate is going about two weeks right now it seems .And Jon hasn't ever made food for the family, bitch? Well, somebody is feeding them while Kate sleeps. He cooks breakfast all the time, while Kate gets her sleep, that counts. And he's talked about grilling before. That's cooking. Kate once again tries to cut down Jon's role in the family.

Also could Kate freaking own up to anything she does? She screwed up Jon's onions, unwittingly. Fine, it was an honest mistake. But when he tried to tell her, she just tried to deny it or discount his reasons why they needed to be separated and overall tried to tell him he had absolutely no right to say anything. Just apologize. It's common courtesy when you inconvenience someone, whether you meant it or not. God.

Also, the shrew wants it both ways. She wants him to cook for the family and step up, she wants Korean bbq, but she also wants her kitchen back. Geez, she's halfway there to peeing all over her territory, she's so damned possessive and controlling. I wish Jon had propped a chair in front of her bedroom door while she was doing emails and then put his ear plugs in. I don't know how she stands the organic chef in her kitchen. I bet she gives him a hard time too. I hope he spits in her food. Does anyone else find it a little disconcerting the way these children absolutely bawl when Jon leaves? It's normal to pine for an absent parent, but geez is being with Kate all that bad? Well, we know the answer to that. It was kind of cute how Kate put chopsticks in Mady's hair. She loved it. The only moment

mamaof3 said...

new to this blog and have a ton of qs. What happened with Beth? I have recently started looking up J & K- can't believe all I have found! I looked at the picture of Jodi/Julie. Can you actually tell that is Jodi/Kevin and their kids, I can't. I wonder if Cara is refusing to be on camera. If so someone is respecting that at least. Truth be told do we think that one of those fists hit her instead of the Aaden/Colllin it was meant for. I think that was because they see Kate all the time and not Jon. When did he quit/get fired? He worked for Beths hubby Bob right? When the falling out happened did this come about?
Looking for answers to alot of questions all my "findings" on the Gosselins. My kids and I love the show but maybe not so much now.?

Darcy said...

The "little white van" has been there for a while, Jon usually takes it to work I believe.

No. This was a brand new van. Exactly like their other one, just newer. Jon doesn't go to work. Remember?

Anonymous said...

J & K put that magnifying glass in place when they agreed to appear on a tv reality show. I CAN have it both ways because I am the one looking thru the magnifying glass not the one that chose to be under.

Darcy said...

When everyone moved to the craft place and Mady was sent to the bench, I remember the tups using scissors. I was horrified that six children sitting close to each other were waving around scissors, and Kate made nary a peep—unlike the gigantic squawks over the washable markers.

Yep, youtube Color Me Gosselin-Part 3
They're all using scissors but they're the safety scissors. I don't see the problem with it really. I say let the kids use a freaking washable marker! "We don't use paint or makers or any of that crazy stuff." Ya, it's just so crazy to use a marker. What a wild life! Ha Ha.

Anonymous said...

Darcy said: "No. This was a brand new van. Exactly like their other one, just newer. Jon doesn't go to work. Remember?"

There have been two white vans for a while, I remember seeing it before (maybe in the Sara Snow episode). I always wondered if it was a crew van. The van Jon has driven in the past couple of episodes is the same one seen in the "special day" episodes.

Anonymous said...

I read somewhere (TWOP?) that the personal chef was seen by neighbors, that meals get delivered in a van with advertisements on the side.

Kate got borderline offensive last night with her bowing and "Aso"s.

iluveeyore said...

1) The Gosselins are NOT in that photo -- hence, no Cara. It was a Xmas trip with the two sisters, Jodi and Julie, and their families. That is definitely Jodi and Kevin in the right rear of the photo. We can pretty much assume that Julie and her family are on the left side.

2) I have no idea what you are talking about when you talk about "fists" hitting someone.

3) We have no idea when Jon quit/got fired from Bob Carson's business. We do know that Jon announced that he is now "self-employed," and he showed us his "office" in a closet. He said that he would now be able to make his own hours and would have more time for the family. Ever since, we have never seen Jon working in the closet -- but we have seen Jon running errands, working out at a gym, and playing a lot of golf. Some people suspect that his new "business" is the Gosselin family.

We have never been privy to the "falling out" or whatever happened. It has been speculated that TLC wanted to pay Jodi, Kate opposed it, and Bob said that they could no longer film at his house.

iluveeyore said...

P.S. I meant "TLC wanted to pay BETH." Sorry.

Anon1967 said...

(re:the procter and gamble article)
TIC, watch for next press release that a reason for all the porta potties around the house, flushed once a night, save water.;0)

Anonymous said...

To be fair to those of us who have posted unfavorable, critical or cynical views concerning this show, I think it's because Jon and Kate have lied to the public so much and for the sake of money to the detriment of their kids, and we don't know what to believe. And we have seen too much that speaks to their real motivations to be able to go back and just take each episode at face value without looking for subtext. They lie about so much so why the hell should I believe Jon cooked any of that food?

They regularly play up certain aspects of their lives for the cameras, they go around the country soliciting money based on untruths or half truths, they say they need freebies, they say they need college funds, and who knows what they are really using that money for. That kind of behavior is not just unpalatable for many of us, it is extremely disgusting and wrong. It has gotten to the point where I don't personally believe anything they say on the show. I think it's all geared towards making money of the backs of these children. If you look at the past, that is what these shows have been about, freebies, endorsements and money. I personally believe that this episode was about the future cookbook with asian recipes.

People talk about "editing" like Kate is somehow edited to look like a bitch. I think the opposite is true. I think in this last episode she was edited kindly to look nicer than she is. It's as if TLC realized that people are really getting outraged and they have created too much controversy so they are showing an episode or two to make the family apprear nicer. After all, controversy sells but only to a point. Cupcakegate was a doozy and now they are choosing to scale back the mental illness this week. They still need people to like J and K enough to buy the books, and other merch they will cook up. It is "damage control" They can't sanitize Kate completely, she is too crazy, but this week she was tolerable. kind of.

Furthermore, I don't understand why the jon and Kate threads on message boards are getting shut down left and right and why pro J and K posters pop up everywhere in their stead. I think it is all extremely fishy.

Julie, if you know about the grandparents, jon's job etc, WE WOULD LOVE TO KNOW. And I really don't think it would be any more damaging than what you have already written. I do think Julie is someone who can't stand by and do nothing in the face of all the J and K spin, and I think that is commendable. I don't question her motives at all. But I do think that if she is blogging she could help her credibility and help us the public understand if what she posts is more fact based rather than just speculation.

Nancy said...

Although I still don't think much of Kate, the Korean Dinner episode was way kinder/gentler than other recent epis. Kate was less obnoxious than usual and actually was NICE and thankful to Jon about dinner. Jon did a good job! He took TWO kids to the store with him and it seemed like they all had a good time.
I personally knew nothing about Korean food before seeing this show. I'm not likely to ever eat any, if it's as spicy as it appears to be, and WOW what a lot of effort to cook that meal! GO JON!
This was a GOOD show. However, I think there's a new audio/video crew now. Things are just a bit.... different.....

Anonymous said...

The van is not new. It's a white Mazda van. It's the same van that they've had.

I know there's criticism over nit-pickiness over this episode. The episode was called "Korean Dinner." This is what was flashed on the screen in the beginning of the episode. It probably should have just been called "Asian Dinner". There was nothing Korean about it other than the beef.

I was a little disgusted by Jon's handling of the meat though. He used his fingers to place the meat on the grill. A piece or two, fine, but there had to be 50 pieces of meat. Then when preparing the plates he used his fingers again to put the meat on the plates. Jon, HELLO!!! Get a serving spoon! I can't believe Kate didn't jump on him for that.

Katie said...

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought the job w/ Bob Carson WAS John's new job? That Jon and Bob went into business together, thus being "self employed", so he DOES work. He can make his own hours. Let us not forget that we are not privy to every day of the Gosselin's lives, so perhaps Jon is only around on filming days and filming days are on special days where something is happening?

Anonymous said...

Regarding Aunt Jodi...when a tv or reality program is being produced, the producers develop a point of view and they work with that throughout the series. The show is about the Gosselins and the children and the (hopefully) loving and caring people that come in and out of their lives. For many reasons, producers often have to edit and "contain" things into a story to fit their purposes whether true or not. Unfortunately, the show is not about Aunt Jodi...although many of us (including myself wish it were).

That she was portrayed as ditzy is a choice that, I believe, was made in editing and by the producers. It doesn't make it fact and it really isn't relevant. The FACT is that anyone can clearly see that she is a loving and caring individual that nurtured and fostered the children while Jon and Kate were unavailable. If she is portrayed as ditzy, who cares? It isn't central to the plot or the children's lives. Disappointing to Jodi and her sister, yes. Irrelevant to the children.

Further, the crime clearly occured when Kate was unable to be grateful to Jodi for watching her children. When I originally saw these episodes, I believed in Kate wholeheartedly. However, even then I could see how ungrateful it was. Anyone can see that. Unless you specifically address your families rules then you can't expect others to know or follow them. As long as your children are cared for in a loving and safe environement, it is a necessity to be grateful. Anyone can see that.

I believe that the purpose of Julie's blog is to defend Jodi's portrayal as ditzy and to show that Kate was ungrateful. Jodi and Julie should rest easy that Kate was ungrateful. It was clear even to the most ardent believer. In television, a persons portrayal won't always be perfect. I'm sure even Kate would agree with that. As for the ditzy thing, I believe she's not but that's not the important or relevant thing to the children - and they are what's important.

- and sorry about the anonymous thing...still trying to work out the blogging thing.

adri said...

My biggest beef about last night's episode:

When Aaden (and before him, Joel) get put in time out for crying for Daddy. Remember when Kate was leaving for the spa, and Hannah cried about it? She wasn't punished; in fact, it was "OK let's call Daddy so you can talk to him."

Yet another way Hannah's the fave & the boys get shafted, IMO.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the "editing" discussions and people saying Kate must give them plenty of negative stuff to show, so that's what the production company shows.

The same has to hold true in the opposite situation. Kate being shown in a better light last night...well, she must give them some "nice" footage to choose from as well then. Same logic, just reversed.

The same with saying Jodi is being portrayed as ditzy. (This is the first I've heard of this. Her "sister" hasn't even mentioned that.) If she's portrayed as ditzy is she giving them lots of "ditzy" footage to work with?

My point is, the knife cuts both ways. You can't assume the worst of Kate off camera and assume the best of someone else just because you don't like Kate. It's not all or nothing.

Also, HOW MANY times did they say they were cooking a Korean, Chinese and Hawaiian meal? Lots. Talk about looking for something to pick apart. It's like posters pick the show apart before they even see it, and when it doesn't turn out as bad as they had hoped they're disappointed and have to come up with something else to be irritated with. Sorry people. Life's to short to go LOOKING for stuff that's annoying.

Also, nothing wrong with Kate sitting in bed on the computer. If that's how she chooses to take her down time, what's the big deal? If anything, it got her out of Jon's hair (he, he...funny). I know her complaining about being tired is annoying, but I take it as a reflex behavior on her part at this point. You could see she wasn't pissed or annoyed by the point they showed her in bed. I just think she's saying this stuff almost without thinking at this point. Unfortunate, but hardly "lying." She's a moaner. She's not the first, she won't be the last.

Heck, for every time I hear Kate repeat herself with her moan-and-groan diatribe, I read ten times over on the blogs the same people (on multiple blogs) complaining about her using just about the same language every time in their posts. It's like everybody should just get in a room with Kate and you can all moan and groan together.

Sorry if I'm being harsh, but, please, someone stop leaning on the "replay" button on the remote!!

Anonymous said...

Now this was an enjoyable episode for the most part!

Once Jon explained about the Hawaiian influences in his background any nitpicking about his menu choices went out the window. My family has Japanese/Hawaiian roots and lean more towards the Hawaiian influences in both cooking and language. In Hawaii, everything is mixed together with delightful results. Foodwise, it's not uncommon to have several different cultures represented at any given meal.

Darcy said...

The van is not new. It's a white Mazda van. It's the same van that they've had.

It's the same van just NEW. Geesh how many times do I have to say it?? It had DEALER PLATES.

Anonymous said...

I could be wrong, but I dont recall Jon saying he was cooking a Hawaiian, Chinese , Korean meal 'lots'. I heard him introduce the food as Korean and later in the episode that the food was Korean with Hawaiian influences. IMO, It is the inconsistency with respect to just about everything in J & K's 'daily lives ' as seen on their reality show that give bloggers the ammunition for the nit picking and snark.

Anonymous said...

Actually, yes, they made the distiction of Korean, Chinese and Hawaiian "lots." J & K said it several times in the interview portions of the show.

See, this is what gets me. Some posters are so busy looking for the "inconsistencies" they don't see or hear what's right in front of them.

Anonymous said...

Darcy said... "It's the same van just NEW. Geesh how many times do I have to say it?? It had DEALER PLATES."

It can't be new - Mazda doesn't make this minivan anymore (I have the exact same minivan). I'm guessing that the dealer plates are just free advertising.

Anonymous said...

The little white van has always had a dealer plate in the front. I've noticed it before in earlier episodes. It is not a new van.

Anonymous said...

Well,couch-Kate says that cooking Korean is definitely a new tradition. OK, another life-long tradition for this overloaded family. And the kids will call someday and ask for recipes. I hope so. It's better than calling and asking for the name of the parents' lawyer.

green said...

I agree with Anonymous (July 15, 2008 2:08pm).
To be fair to those of us who have posted unfavorable, critical or cynical views concerning this show, I think it's because Jon and Kate have lied to the public so much and for the sake of money to the detriment of their kids, and we don't know what to believe. And we have seen too much that speaks to their real motivations to be able to go back and just take each episode at face value without looking for subtext.

I have watched this family on television for about two specials and 3 television seasons. I am looking closely at it because I don’t know what to believe. The parents of this family seem inconsistent with their words and actions. I don’t want to view what I watch as damage control. But I can’t help keep that in the back of my mind, when certain episodes seem to be re-edited or issues that “buzz” in the forums are addressed in future episodes. In any case, leaving out the children, barely anything seems “normal” or “real” anymore.

With that said, the episode had its enjoyable moments.
Jon, Alexis, and Joel at the store looking at the different foods.
Kate and one of the girl’s cutting paper.
Joel and Jon’s interaction “I am daddy’s son.” “Yes you are my son.” (or words to that effect)
I really liked seeing the whole family sitting down and enjoying that dinner.
Leah’s “Everyone’s Asian!”

Anonymous said...

"Sorry if I'm being harsh, but, please, someone stop leaning on the "replay" button on the remote!!"

My sentiments exactly, which is why I said something about a magnifying glass being held up to other people's lives. Sure, they invited it by having cameras in their house, but don't you think that some people on here are just a tad bit obsessed? Say, as much as their sheeple are, but in an opposite way?

Like you said, you can't have it both ways.

Just my honest opinion, people might want to take a step back, and look at the motivations behind why they are taking such a gross interest in this show. You can use the excuse "it's for the kids!" But when you are reduced to telling Kate to "shut the fuck up already" I thiiiink you might need to chill.

Like I've said, I do believe there are gross injustices happening on the show, but picking apart an episode before it plays, and then exhaustingly picking apart every nanosecond says as much about YOU as it does THEM.

And like you also said, *I* am entitled to my opinion, tyvm.

Lastly, the van could have dealer plates on the front. PA doesn't have a license plate in the front as well as the back. It was probably just an ad.

Anonymous said...

Mady needs a spin off show "Pearls of wisdom gleaned the hard way....things I've learned from having an OCD mother from hell"

I loved her "perfection" comments when she got her fortune cookie "Practice makes perfect.... That's not true..practice only makes you better, because if you get perfect you can never get better and that's not good"

And in another episode Kate called something she did perfect... and Mady was like " I don't think perfect should be the word" in this distasteful way. I like her.

I can't wait until her tell all book.

njgirl0976 said...

As trite and slightly stereotypical to play lame Asian music during their "authentic" Korean dinner, I have to jump in and say that occasionally my family will do something trite and stereotypical like that too at "nationality" type meals: my Italian dad would make huge Italian meals and play Italian love songs and Frank Sinatra CDs on Sundays during "The Sopranos" run on HBO and my Irish grandmother would make Irish meals and blare alternatively hyper-active/mournful Irish tunes on St. Pat's and her and my grandfather's birthdays and wedding anniversary.
I do think this episode was a little boring and kind of contrived ("Quick, Jen! We can't have another episode of them 'enjoying' movie night! Think of something else they can call a 'tradition'!"), but it was a HUUUGGGE relief after last week's cringe-worthy Trip to the Bakery.

Anonymous said...

Looks like those PR hired hands have moved to this board, the last frontier of free speech concerning theose crazy Gosselins. I have never seen such energetic defenses of this family on this board until the rest of the threads on other boards have gotten shut down one by one.

And yes I am one of those that thinks Kate needs to STFU and stop lying/begging. This show is like "the boy who cried wolf" ...Tehre have been so many lies and bs that most of us think it's all DAMAGE CONTROL. Until the Gosselins and Figure 8 and TLC start donating all the proceeds from this circus to "Families in need" (and I DON'T mean the Greedy Gosselins) I will continue to believe that the episodes from now on are all bullshit.

Anonymous said...

After reading "What we want", I got so sad...you are so right, these adorable children have a right to their privacy, and we take it away from them...I also really liked Jodi, and am sorry to hear how awful she was treated by Kate (but I suspected it...) Has anyone else noticed how Jon seems to be shutting down and pulling away from Kate a little more each week? I am wondering if it is creative editting in order to stimulate drama, or if Jon can no longer abide and cover-up Kate's gruesome disposition?...And, last but not least, can it really be a "family movie night" if Kate takes the only comfy spot on the sofa and snoozes the entire time?

Sally said...

I've been a long time viewer of the show. I was initially attracted to it because I am one-quarter Korean, and something in Jon's personality reminds me of my dad. Additionally, my husband and I are expecting our first baby, and it's been fun to imagine a cute little girl or boy like any of the Gosselin children. I appreciate that this blog was set up out of concern for the Gosselin children, and out of similar concern am prompted to express my opinion. IMO, writing something in a blog is like writing on the bathroom wall; even if an entry becomes outdated or gets erased, it's pretty easy to recover what was originally written. Cara and Mady are both old enough they are probably surfing the Internet at home (and definitely at school). Have you ever entered your family's name in a search engine for fun? How would you feel if, once you did, the first things that came up in the search were criticisms of your mom and dad by people that you've never met? Remember that all parents make mistakes, (I cringe to think of what I'll do to mortify my kids), and their children still love them anyway. I think for their sake we need to be careful about what we write.

Lauren said...

Sally~
Congrats on your new baby!

I agree with you that perhaps years into the future Mady and Cara may find remnants of conversations about their family. It may be very traumatic for them including the blog that their Aunt Jodi's sister is writing.

But perhaps Mr. IT man (Jon) should have thought about that when *numerous* blogs and boards turned decidedly snarky towards he and his wife. Look around the net - it's every place.

Check out the respectable Amazon.com. It's worth a trip there. Reading what has been written there under DVD sales for the Gosselin show, I don't know when I finally closed my mouth. The remarks are not warm and fuzzy.

Yes, people can be cruel and picky and untruths have been told about this family. But in reading what is out there it almost never fails that viewers speak in hyperbole about the children, how darling and how beautiful they are. I hope the children will some how internalize that in the future.

It's my opinion that J&K know what's being said about them but they persist with this Cash Cow and they continue to visit church groups further exposing their family to breeches of privacy. I've read that they have signed for another 40 or 50 episodes.

Your concern for the children shows your consideration not only for the Gosselin kids but for your unborn. I'll be you'll be a terrific mom!!

Fidelia

NewMom08 said...

O-M-G
Whoever wrote the diatribe on Amazon....wow. That took some time and energy. And its gonna reach alot of uninformed people. I wonder how long it will last before SOMEONE (ahem) gets it ripped down in a blaze of glory!

Anonymous said...

Ahhhhh Mady.....The girl is a diamond in the rough.

Anonymous said...

Amazon rarely removes reviews.

Anonymous said...

What is on amazon? And where is it?

Thank you!!

Lauren said...

Ahhhhhh Mady is right. That girl is rapidly becoming one of my favs.

She's sharp with the tongue, clever and witty and the perfect match for Kate. Mady is just getting started.

Lordy Be!! Can you see Mady as a teen? Kate will have to buy Kevlar
jammies.

Fidelia

sabrinasmom said...

I think for their sake we need to be careful about what we write.

I think that if Cara or Mady were to google their names and they come across phrases like "pimp your kids", "Kate is a shrew" or "Jon needs to grow some balls", that they would do what every child should do when they need clarification: ASK THEIR PARENTS.

Kate and Jon are ultimately who these children should seek guidance from.

karenmkk-610 said...

Am I right that the long diatribe under discussions on Amazon has already been removed?

Anonymous said...

OMG I got so annoyed at Kate when she said "Jenny is here to watch the kids while WE prepare dinner..." Excuse me, when did this turn into "WE." How stupid does she think we are?

Anonymous said...

I just think some of the vitriol spewed here lately has been a bit harsh to read. If I say "STFU" to someone, it's an indication that I'm pretty angry. Maybe it's just me, reading more anger into a statement than is really there.

The owners of the blog have done a great job in that they let differing opinions be heard. I think what's at the core of everyone's sentiment is the welfare of the children.

I just didn't see much cause for concern, more than "normal", on this episode. Pointing that out suddenly made me a "PR machine". I was merely trying to say that what I read about J&K bothers me, a lot, but sometimes what I read people say here, bothers me, a lot.

If you're picking apart an episode *looking* for something to be wrong, you might want to check your motivations, that's all I'm sayin'.

Anonymous said...

Alot of people here question Julie's motives. I want to heear from JODI herself. Does she read her? post? I am a JOdi fan and wish to see her , Beth & Nana Janet, etc. back. Family/friends are so important. Kate will regret cutting them off/being cut off. I only pray that these kids & this family realize what is important for them and best for THEM not us as viewers or the producers.

Anonymous said...

karenmkk-610...No, unfortunately that diatribe stills exists!

Today, that extremely bitter commentator(americanlife-americandream) has seen fit to spew more of their vile, hateful opinion about J & K on Amazon.

Their reviewer title needs to be changed to "jealous because I'm not living the americanlife-american dream"!

Deb!

Anonymous said...

I agree with Anon 6:58 from this morning.

What? So now a differing opinion that doesn't completely skewer Kate Gosselin is a "PR machine"? A little objectivity wouldn't hurt.

Also, Anon 8:35 from today...I agree that if Jodi feels strongly she should speak for herself. I may not agree on speaking too publically about family matters (just adding to the public intrusiveness everyone objects to), but if things are really all that bad Jodi's words would carry more weight.

I have two sisters and if I were in Jodi's sister's position I'd only feel comfortable blogging if I had my sister's EXPRESS permission to do so. Don't know if she does or not, but can't imagine Jodi being a person who would speak through a second party if she has serious concerns about her family.

I've said it before though....I think saying too much in public, true or not, will only do more harm than good to the family's relationship. I would think the viewers that think Kate has ALREADY wronged Jodi and damaged "all" the family relationships would at least think of the kids in wanting Jodi or Jodi's sister to "tell all" and add to the damage.

If the concern is the kids, that has GOT to be part of the package.

I personally could care less about any more "tidbits" of info from Jodi's camp. I doubt it's going to change the minds of those who so obviously think one way or another about the show.

Anonymous said...

You know, it was a BIG improvement over last week. I don't care about the cultural purity..it looked like a fun meal, Jon was sharing things he had done in his family home. Taking some of the kids with to the market, good idea, I'm sure that kind of thing does add to their quality of life (especially when it ISN'T taped).

Kate was being a pain about having Jon in the kitchen and being territorial..also making him paranoid about making a mess. And about working from a recipe. But she was appropriately appreciative and complimentary of the end product.

If this type of episode were typical, I don't think this blog would have popped up.

Anonymous said...

"It was good for me, though, to see her doing something with the kids - seemed SO much less scripted and contrived to see them interacting at home, casually."


Well, talk about damage control! Wasn't it interesting that the kids were not allowed to use markers while at Crayola, but there they are using those big thick Bingo Markers at the table.

Also, can someone explain to me why Aaden's mattress was on the floor. What happened to the new beds they recently got? Once again my belief that Kate doesn't have OCD but is downright lazy. Their bedrooms are always a disaster. I have never seen any beds made in that house. That would sure get on my nerves and I don't think I have OCD.

Anonymous said...

Sure this episode and Im sure episodes to come will give off a different vibe. J & K now have a PR and management team looking out for THEIR, ie J & K best interest. They have alot of damage control to do in an attempt preserve J & K's reputation and overall appeal to the public. The change you see in recent episodes isnt because of TLC and production finally choosing to air 'good' and 'wholesome' footage. It is the result of the ongoing efforts of J & K's PR and management team. If J & K 's intention is to ride out this gravy train for all its worth, you bet J & K's PR team is making damn sure that their image and reputation are preserved for the sake of future endevours.

AmandaT said...

Thank you, BunnyHop. I agree, I wouldn't let my kids go to that Anon. poster's daycare. That practice shows a complete lack of understanding of child development. Kids are not misbehaving by showing valid emotions. By telling her son, "Go to the corner until you're happy," she is punishing him for feeling sad. That is going to bite them in the butt during the pre-teen/teenage years. And then after when giving a choice - room or play at the table, it wasn't really a choice. She made the choice for him and shooed him off.

The dinner was a cute idea. Theme dinners are fun, especially with kids. It's ok that he didn't get everything right, it's nice that he was getting so involved.
But, I'm sorry. My husband and I live in an apartment with a rather small kitchen. We can both work in there at the same time - may bump into each other a bit, but that's half the fun.

Anonymous said...

The PR firm has a big job, indeed. Without her temper tantrums Kate is a not-too-bright, lazy, boring woman. That's death on reality TV, especially since the kids will soon be out of the baby stage. So, how does the PR firm keep the gravy train chugging along? There are only so many venues in which to tell the same story. As far as I'm concerned, J&K can't disappear from the spotlight fast enough.

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:27 said: Also, can someone explain to me why Aaden's mattress was on the floor. What happened to the new beds they recently got? Once again my belief that Kate doesn't have OCD but is downright lazy. Their bedrooms are always a disaster. I have never seen any beds made in that house. That would sure get on my nerves and I don't think I have OCD.

I think its important to remember that when someone has OCD it doesn't mean they are a neat freak. It means they have irrational fears and anxieties. These fears are not usually consistent, thus the rooms can be messy and not bother her. I don't think she's faking. I think she has serious issues with anxiety that she should get help for, and I feel for her on that front as I have struggled with it myself.

As to Aaden's bed on the floor, they didn't want them to sleep on the top bunk yet, for fear they would roll out. Even with the safety bar, that's possible (I've seen it!). I think they did bunks for space concerns but weren't quite ready to use them for safety concerns.

Anonymous said...

I think that the issue of whether Kate has OCD or not is settled for me. What Kate has is CONTROL FREAK issues. It is always about her not being able to control what someone else is doing, or how they are doing it. God Forbid she get off her lazy ass and do something herself.

Kate allows some downright germy and disgusting habits in this household. No true OCD germophobe would feed six babies out of one bowl with one spoon, clip dirty fingernails at the table during a meal, remove medical staples from a head during a meal, have full potties sloshing around EVERYWHERE, use purrell instead of teaching her children proper handwashing habits, let the dust accumulate under the TV stand in the basement, allow "chewies" to be strewn all over the place, drag a child with a double ear infection out to dinner, take a constipated child shopping for beds, leave a bunch of sick children at home with relatives exposing your nieces and nephews to the germs so Jon can get a hair transplant. The list is endless.

OH - and Jon and Kate don't eat anything their children have touched, but it is okay to let them decorate cookies and give them to OTHER people at Christmas? Jon and Kate won't eat anything the kids have touched, but it is okay for Nana Janet, and Beth and Bob's family to eat those things?

Anonymous said...

Again, OCD doesn't make sense. My best friend will let cats on her counters, lets dirt and mess pile up, but will sweep her floors daily in a specific pattern. My cousin won't use my bathroom (which I scrub daily) but her own hasn't been cleaned in months (and she uses Purell, almost exactly like Kate does). I think it is important for Kate to recognize it, but more important for her to get help for it or it will harm the kids. My cousin's daughter is already showing signs of having the same issues. I worry the twins and tups will have the same issues.

minxie said...

Wasn't Kate standing barefoot at the gas station during the Disney Trip? Yet she said she wouldn't walk barefoot in the hotel room. My personal nominee for gross-o-rama would be the potties--NO REASON to have them scattered all over the place or in the van. Let the kids use the bathroom. Also, I never took pictures of my kids' feces for posterity--BLECH. A picture of a child on the potty when they are training is one thing--a picture of shit is quite another.

Anonymous said...

I am anon that said that at my preschool I tell children to cry for their parents in the other room...believe it or not I have a bach. degree in early childhood education and a masters in el.ed. I am quite qualified thanks. However, children should show emotion but at the age of 4 most of the crying due to separation anxiety is an attention getter...I've had children in my classrooms that will cry the first couple days of school and if I coddle them, they continue throughout most of the year. If I tell a child that mommy/daddy is coming back, and give them a structured routine without coddling, they are much more likely to stop the separation problems. Also, I am at a preschool with 16 children...I believe you would be more upset if you were the parent of the other 15 that got little to no attention because one student was in a crying fit.

Anonymous said...

Minxie said: Wasn't Kate standing barefoot at the gas station during the Disney Trip?

She was actually wearing very thin flip flop type sandals. I have a pair that are really thin leather just like that.

Anonymous said...

For those posters who want to know what Julie could possibly want by getting the word out about Jon & Kate--I for one hope that she can get the TRUTH out.
Everyone seems so eager to believe the lies that Jon and Kate spew out but they refuse to believe the truth
when it is presented right before them.
So, Julie, thanks for doing your part in exposing this scam. You've got a big job.
Seems like now you are competing with a PR firm who would like nothing else than to shut you up.(Could they be the "doubters" on this forum?)
I don't know why their former friends and relatives are protecting them. Is it the venom of Jon's anger and Kate's viciousness? I think it could only HELP the kids to expose this couple and get them off the air and back to a "normal" life.

FIONA said...

Sally,

I get your point. There is going to be an astonishing amount of horrible things for the Gosselin children to read about their parents, the show, the accusations, the fans, the supporters of the kids, etc...on and on. I don't know how the kids are going to come to grips with all the information.

It wouldn't do the kids any good if all the blogs and forums shut down today. All the info is already there-because of their parent's greed and lies.

So now what? If Kate and Jon had an ounce of integrity, if they cared about there children at all-they would cancel with TLC, and attempt to turn their lives around.

I suspect there are things they could do to change their image, if they wanted to.

As for speaking about the kids-I for one think they should be off limits on this blog. Nothing personally demeaning about the kids whatsoever.

JMO

FIONA said...

I think it could only HELP the kids to expose this couple and get them off the air and back to a "normal" life.



So here is a thought I am sure many have pondered? What will their "normal" life be like? Can they do normal-or are they (J and K) beyond that?

I don't think they can flip a switch and become a regular family like I think some us want for them.

For that to happen, of course Jon and Kate would have to want that. And Kate would need some serious help...they would both need marriage and parenting classes.

I really hate to think that the family is doomed. That just makes me too sad.

Do you think the Gosselin Family is happy currently? Let's say they are not....show is too much, press, kids struggles etc...How do they get out of it?

When you think about it, they seemed screwed either way. How do they get fixed?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever heard Jon or Kate say "I Love You" to any of the kids? I think the first/only time I heard anyone say it was on the latest episode...Jon said it to one of the boys in response to something he said about being asian. I think it can be detrimental to a kid to not hear "I love you" on a daily basis from their parents. I sure hope it is being siad off camera in that house.

Anonymous said...

"Has anyone ever heard Jon or Kate say "I Love You" to any of the kids? I think the first/only time I heard anyone say it was on the latest episode...Jon said it to one of the boys in response to something he said about being asian."

On the episode, 'Jon Cooks Korean Dinner'; Joel said to Jon, "I'm your son." Jon replied, "Yes, you're my son and I love you."

Anonymous said...

I loved this episode. My husband recognized the market Jon and the kids shopped at. They were so cute when they were arguing over who was more Asian. I think Jon really enjoyed cooking for the family. They seem so normal to me. You would never guess what celebrities they have become. I love this show.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

"Julie, if you know about the grandparents, jon's job etc, WE WOULD LOVE TO KNOW. And I really don't think it would be any more damaging than what you have already written. I do think Julie is someone who can't stand by and do nothing in the face of all the J and K spin, and I think that is commendable. I don't question her motives at all. But I do think that if she is blogging she could help her credibility and help us the public understand if what she posts is more fact based rather than just speculation."

I'm not going to blog about anything without Jodi's permission. I've been answering some questions here, and giving out FACTS. Some want "proof", well, I don't have proof. I have my sister's word--which I believe 100%. Are you going to see the personal chef on TV--I doubt it. Does that mean she doesn't exist. To some it may. J&K are never going to admit to something that could threaten their money making opportunities. They want to keep up the charade at all costs. Even if Jodi came out and said that all I am saying is true--some still won't believe. They don't want the truth.

Anonymous said...

"Has anyone ever heard Jon or Kate say "I Love You" to any of the kids?"

Yes. I heard it last night on some re-runs I was watching. "I love you Lexi" was one that stuck out.

Tracey said...

I just saw this episode last night. After reading the reviews, I was prepared for yet another J&K trainwreck. I am not a fan of Jon or Kate but this episode wasn’t too bad. I thought it was interesting to see Jon cooking an ethnic meal for his kids. I don’t understand why so many people are down on him about it not being Korean enough. I am Italian and I cook and serve meals to my family often that are not pasta and tomato based!! In fact, my husband is Jewish and when our holidays overlap we incorporate foods from both ethnicities into our dinners. I find no fault with Jon for making a family dinner with Asian influences. I really believe that they have had this kind of food before as evidenced by the sextuplets excitement over the wasabi peas. Maybe Jon was telling the truth when he said his grandmother cooks for them often!

sistah2 said...

Thanks Julie, you've said it all right there.

Anonymous said...

Even if the PR firm manages to clean up what we see that doesn't mean J&K will actually change the way they really are -- we may not just see it as much.

The bigger problem is what life is like for those children when the cameras are not there to record it.

The only answer is for Kate to get therapy so she can understand why she chooses to parent the way she does.

Blaming her parenting behavior on being overly disciplined as a child doesn't cut it, IMO. Many of us were overly disciplined as children and yet chose not to parent our children that way.

NewMom08 said...

Julie:
I personally just wanted to thank you both for your blog and your posts....I think what you are doing is admirable and understand completely why you are posting only what you have discussed with your sister.
There is no need for salacious details or "gossip", and you have stood above both.
Seeing others ask for their address on this blog and others is sick, IMO. Whether these two are liars is one thing, but putting that info out there is S-C-A-R-Y. There are innocent children in that house and despite the fact that their parents may not value their privacy, others should.
Anyway, thanks again Julie and keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

Julie,

I too would like to thank you for having the integrity to limit your public comments to what you have discussed with your sister and not add to the rampant speculation that abounds about the Gosselins.

Whether people would prefer more proof or not in what you've said, whether you yourself like the Gosselins or not, I can respect you keeping your comments within those boundaries.

Jodi seems like a very sweet person and I'd hate to think she's been treated badly by the Gosselins. I hope she does her best to preserve communications with them (if she can), because no matter how bad family situations can get, they can eventually be repaired.

I can see Jodi being the type of person who, once the show is over and the Gosselins come back down to earth and the dust clears, is able to get beyond what's happened and start fresh. She seems to have a VERY forgiving nature. Her kids and Kate's kids would benefit greatly from her being able to move past what's happened.

I wish her luck!

Anonymous said...

Darcy-
That van is not new. It's always had a dealer plate--see "Day in the Life" as a reference.

K.C. said...

I have nothing but respect for Julie. She is a class act, period.

Bicoastal said...

Regarding Jon & Kate, Anonymous wrote " ... They seem so normal to me. You would never guess what celebrities they have become. I love this show."

They certainly are celebrities!

Currently they're being celebrated in a tabloid -- the National Enquirer -- for being scam artists.

It's pretty sad when the Enquirer describes you in pejorative terms.
Pot? Kettle. Kettle? Pot.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't consider the Nantional Enquirer a reliable source for news, but that's just me.

Nancy said...

One can only hope that this Enquirer expose will result in a more upscale publication picking up the story. Those who doubt anything printed in the Enquirer might accept the same story from another media source.

sistah2 said...

The Enquirer is not a reliable "news" source, but they did not print anything that has not been on this blog and substantiated by family members statements on blogs. Actually, it only skimmed the surface of what they could have printed. They often print human-interest stories, and short pieces on pseudo-celebs like these two. Sometimes they are the first to get something out, and the rest pick it up. The Enquirer is not nearly as bottom-feeding as the Globe,etc. Also, they were the first pub. to write about the Duggars, within a year they were all over TV. Just sayin'.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have the link to Jodi's website or blog? I've read that she has one, but can't find it. I've read her sister, Julie's and it's fascinating!

Serena said...

Does anyone have the link to Jodi's website or blog? I've read that she has one, but can't find it. I've read her sister, Julie's and it's fascinating!
Jodi has her blog set to private; the URL will not be published here unless Jodi chooses to do so.

Anonymous said...

Was anyone else perturbed by the faux-Oriental music playing in the background of this episode?

I also do not think that the children are properly being taught about their ethnic identity. They are being taught that being Asian is the best thing ever (as shown from their "who is more Asian" discussion). I don't find it cute at all - I find it questionable.

Sara said...

I read through most of the comments, but I don't think anyone mentioned the "flip-flopping" that irritated me the most. Several times throughout the episode, Kate would go from "Oh, that's delicious! Every week please!" to "I can't stand having someone in my kitchen!" OVER and OVER again! Make up your mind! Do you want the man to cook you dinner or not?!

Anonymous said...

Just so all of you that are making fun of the way Jon is pronouncing the word that you are assuming is BULGOGI, he is saying PULKOGI which is actually a food. So lay off the guy and stop criticizing him about that!

Anonymous said...

About the white van that people have mentioned:
In the recent episode, it showed Jon strapping one of the little girls in, and she looked like that was new and different to use that vehicle. She said "Is this your work car, Daddy" and he told her yes, that it was.
Poor little kids think Jon works.