"How is it a marriage, if there's no communication?"

Let's look at Jon and Kate's marriage. Jon said last night [during the Sextuplets Turn 4 episode] that he wishes Kate would just let the kids have fun and not worry about getting messy. He has said this repeatedly on the show directly to her. Never once has she responded in an understanding or thoughtful way to his concern. She always says something snarky like "well you don't have to do laundry." (She doesn't either, but that's beside the point.)

How is it a marriage if there's no communication? I'm flabbergasted that she couldn't at least respond with something like "I see your point, and I'll work on it." Or "I understand what you're saying, but I have a phobia of messes and I have to try really hard not to notice the mess." None of her responses admit any wrongdoing on her part. According to her, she's always right in everything she does. Even when her own husband points out that she might be wrong, she makes no effort to see his side. Even when he says she'll regret it in the future -- something I've never heard him say before -- she still doesn't take what he says to heart.

Her actions are another thing. Despite Jon's repeated requests for her to not worry about the mess while they're in the thick of an activity, she makes zero effort during those activities to modify her behavior to make it fun for the kids.

Even if she looked at his point of view and decided that he was wrong (I don't think she looks at anyone's POV but hers, but if she did), she could at least try once to do it his way and then say "I tried it your way and it didn't work, so I think it would be best to do it my way."

She treats Jon as if he doesn't deserve to have an opinion regarding his own kids, and that he's not an equal partner in their parenthood. She does everything her way without anyone having any input whatsoever in anything. She's the Queen who decides all, and everyone else is just there to serve her.

Reprinted with permission from AG.

48 comments:

Fairy said...

Great post. The thing is I don't see Kate taking responsibility for anything she says or does. She really feels like her way is the right way. Which is annoying enough but she never seems to take anyone else's feelings into account.

FIONA said...

This is one of the many things why I have no respect for Jon. If he sees these things, and does nothing about it, he is just as culpable, if not more so.

I think he is afraid of Kate on a level. I also think she runs the ship and I don't believe he ever wants to work a 9- 5ever again.

Honestly, I don't think anyone can get thru to either of them. If it isn't green with dollars signs, neither one are going to listen.

Anonymous said...

She seemed particularly snarky in the 4yr old birthday/cupcake segment. Corrects him constantly on camera, grammar, years vs. seasons, whatever.
I find it really annoying and emasculating. He really seems to enjoy playing with the children which she should appreciate--not all fathers are like that.

Anonymous said...

Everything you said is very true. What I find very interesting is that the kids are now old enough to notice her behavior too. They are slowly but surely pulling away from Kate. When they cry they ask for Daddy. When they are doing a project they want Daddy. Even when Kate grabs one for a hug the child ducks and runs or squirms away from her. Does she not see this happening. Oh she probably does but I do firmly believe that she doesn't really care. Such a sad situation. I hope that we somehow know how these little people turn out in say 10 years.

Anonymous said...

Great post. If they didn't have the show and "8", yes "8" kids, I don't think Jon would still be with her, what man would put up with this treatment?

Anonymous said...

Serena, this was a good and got right to the point. True, clearly there is NO communication. But - if you are a classic narcissist like K - you are made of teflon. Nothing can stick to you and if nothing sticks to you, how can you take anything to heart? This is why she responds to everything with an extremely snarky comment. These comments serve to deflect any wrongdoing on her part. For the person interacting with a narcissist, it's a totally untenable, no-win situation. Many of us know people like this - we work for them or with them or have them as neighbors or relatives. In these cases, we can can set boundaries for the context or limit our contact. In a marriage, the spouse married to the classic narcissist does not have this option - except divorce or God forbid, murder. I just cannot see this marriage lasting. Their relationship is malignant and disturbing. J and K are not bright, not talented and have no substance, to say the very least. They're losers on so many levels in so many ways. These eight kids are nothing more than a meal ticket to them. Something has to give. It's scary, very scary.

tourmaline said...

As a side note, in the hair plug episode, when the examining doctor asks the two of them who wears the pants in the family, a sarcastic laugh escapes Kate, and after a pause, she says Jon does.

Hah, as if.

Anonymous said...

I love the way that Kate corrects Jon's grammar and then makes 2 glaring errors of her own. For the record, Kate, it is not "I could care less" it is I COULDN'T CARE LESS!!! Duh.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Great post. If they didn't have the show and "8", yes "8" kids, I don't think Jon would still be with her, what man would put up with this treatment?
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Throughout the eighties and nineties I was close friends with a couple who had four children all under the age of eight, two of whom were twins. That's only half as many as Kate and Jon Gosselin. She treated her husband even worse and acted more batty in my opinion that Kate Gosselin treats the tups or Jon. The husband, from what I know, is still with her.


I think that the husband in the couple I befriended remembers her the way that she was and keeps reminding and trying to convince himself that one day they're going to grow up and he'll get back the level headed person he once fell for.


John Gosselin might have told himself this too, but after that much time and that much stress, I think it's just a coping mechanism, truly, and it's not what actually happens.


I don't think the person ever goes back to the way they once were. I say this because having to have your eyes, ears and mind so focused on all of these people who are screaming and fighting for your attention would probably make a person forget that their life was ever once slower paced and more even keeled.


To a certain degree, Kate Gosselin has lost the woman she once knew and even though she brought this on and wanted these babies, she got way more than she bargained for. It's hard to determine now what is angst and what is anger.


When the tups as well as their first set of twins all really do grow up and move away, she might still be angry and think that she lost a part of her youth and her independence that she can never get back. Jon might be in for an even steeper road ahead than he's got right now. She doesn't just have stress because she had so many kids, she's got stress issues because she had babies so soon after getting married and didn't adjust to being a spouse before the adjustment to being a mother hit her head on. This couple didn't spend very much time just being a married couple, in other words.

Teresa said...

I grew up with a passive father and a very aggressive mother. Kate reminds me alot of my mother and Jon reminds me of my father. Nothing my father ever did was right and she constantly told him so, but if there was anyone around she was all lovey dovey. I spent years wishing my parents would divorce so I could go live with my dad. A few years ago I asked him why he stayed with her. He told me he stayed because of us kids. He knew no court back then would ever allow him to raise us kids on his own. So he stayed and put up with her crap because of us. Thank God he did because if he had left lord only knows how we would have turned out. I love watching Jon and Kate plus 8, but feel for the kids. I hope she sincerely changes her ways and realizes what treasures she has in those precious children.

Anonymous said...

Well if Jon did leave her the child support payments and possibly alimony he'd have to pay Kate would bankrupt him. I think that is the only reason he's still around. My husband would have served me with divorce papers long ago if I behaved like she did or if I were even 1/10th of that!

Anonymous said...

I was more upset with the fat comment. She brushed right over the fat that he was telling her that she has been insulting him in public for years and instead harped on him about the word "seasons". She completely turned it around so she was the injured party. So sad to watch.

Holly said...

"Her actions are another thing. Despite Jon's repeated requests for her to not worry about the mess while they're in the thick of an activity, she makes zero effort during those activities to modify her behavior to make it fun for the kids."

While I used to be an avid fan of the show, and Kate in particular, I've definitely changed my tune after watching the last few episodes. I find myself in complete agreement with most of the posts here on the blog - but do need to point out that in the "Girls Day" episode, where Kate took the girls to paint pottery, she pointed out that she was sitting away from the rest, doing her own thing, and basically leaving things to the staff there so she wouldn't "freak out" (not a direct quote). I think in doing that, she's recognizing she has "issues" and really wanted the girls to enjoy themselves - and she herself (Kate) wanted to enjoy that time as well. So, while it looked like she had turned a blind eye to the girls and their efforts - I think she did this intentionally, recognizing that she does have control/mess/OCD issues.

Anonymous said...

KateFate--read up, Katie Irene, you may not recognize your children being treated as the Dionnes were, but can you see something of yourself going the way Bill Kienest did? You DO wear the pants in the family, MommyDearest.

"As the quints got older, there was less interest from the media, and they stopped making commercials in the mid 70s. In 1979 Bill’s previously successful company went bankrupt. In 1983 the media printed stories of the family’s financial problems. They were close to losing their home, but received help from Milton Petrie, a rich industrialist. Bill took the financial problems very hard, and had long suffered from depression. In 1984 he sadly committed suicide."

Anonymous said...

I would like to think that Kate could better herself, but her problems are very old and deep. I think she has just enough awareness to play for the camera.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Fiona's above post. Jon is not going anywhere because he never plans on working a 9-5 job again.(Neither does Kate) I believe Kate is the "brains" (master manipulator)of these two and Jon is just the whipping boy. Because of his laziness, he will NEVER seriously stand up to Kate. He's thinks they have hit the lottery and is going to ride it for as long as he can. Just wonder how long it is going to last with Kate at the helm.

green said...

I realize that we are getting a “peek” into their lives, but from what I see their marriage is very Kate-sided. There is little or no communication and what communication there is flows from Kate to Jon but not the reverse. Jon seems to go along with all her rules and proclamations. They may show Jon putting up a little fight, rolling his eyes, or muttering something under his breath but in the end he goes along with Kate.

Jon should take some of that self-confidence he’s gained from his daily workouts and stand his ground. I don’t mean beat Kate, but something as simple as the next time they go on an outing that may be considered “messy” by Kate’s standards Jon should bring along some play clothes for the kids. If Kate doesn’t want to help him change them, have Cara and Mady assist. Since Jon is in charge of getting the kids dressed he should start teaching them how to put on their own clothes. At least this way, the kids can have some fun in spite of their mother and her issues.

Anonymous said...

Serena~
Thank you for the concise post and for one of the best sites for adults to discuss this train wreck. You are doing a great service. As time goes on and on, I feel the need to discuss the pathology that I think I am witnessing on the show as well as read what others have to say about the events.

Last night's birthday scene was excruciating to watch. Just exactly where was the fun? To be promised a cup cake and then not to get one just because you could not eat the slop that Kate put in front of you?!! I see that special care was taken for Hannah to get at least a spoonful of whatever it was down *her* so momma's girl could have *her* treat.

Kate's behavior was beneath even that of her young children in that bakery. It was a silly idea, first of all, to forestall the children's treat and it was cruel to, at the end, deny them. And what's wrong with T-shirts and shorts when going to special, potentially "messy" activity?

Kate is mental - probably a narcissist, although true narcissism in a female is rare - but she *appears* to have narcissistic traits.

Also, I have noticed that Kate seems depressed in the last 2 episodes. Perhaps the events with Jodi and those concerning Beth (if it's true that there has been a falling out) has caught up with her. The almighty dollar and their obsession with appears to be overriding relationships with family/friends. Things are going from bad to worse very quickly.

Thank you for allowing me to speak my mind about the events on the show.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said: read up, Katie Irene, you may not recognize your children being treated as the Dionnes were, but can you see something of yourself going the way Bill Kienest did?

There is potential for something like this to happen down the road.

Serena said...

Serena~
Thank you for the concise post


Thanks, but this particular blog entry was posted on behalf of the author AG -- the tagline at the bottom says, Reprinted with permission from AG.

Anonymous said...

I think one of the main reasons Jon stays around is due to the fact that he'd have to pay huge child support payments. All the money he's made off of the children he'd have to pay to Kate.

Also, I bet Kate would be a mega-b#$%ch in a divorce. So he's probably afraid of what she'd do. Someone else posted somewhere else here that he'll probably stick it out. But I bet before too long he'll end up looking older than her and his hair plugs will turn grey.

Barbara said...

You know, I believe Jon really loves his family, probably still even loves Kate or at least wants to keep his family together for their good. On an episode recently while they were on the couch, Kate criticized him again and Jen asked if he had anything to say and he just shook his head. My daughter and I were talking today about how we think he doesn't like displaying their dirty laundry on TV and I do think he tries, at least a lot more than Kate, who just lets it all hang out. But then the next episode she was so critical and demanding he just couldn't resist defending himself. Is this Jen's fault for filming all this and deciding some of it belongs on the cutting room floor rather than in everyone's home?

Amy G. said...

"she's got stress issues because she had babies so soon after getting married and didn't adjust to being a spouse before the adjustment to being a mother hit her head on. This couple didn't spend very much time just being a married couple, in other words."

I think you hit the nail on the head right there. It shows in glaring neon that this couple had not matured as a couple before they added parenting to the mix. If they cared, marriage counseling could do a world of good. As it is, it's painful to watch their example to the children. I feel especially sorry for the boys--someday they will seek out domineering women because it's what they know.

Anonymous said...

"she's got stress issues because she had babies so soon after getting married and didn't adjust to being a spouse before the adjustment to being a mother hit her head on. This couple didn't spend very much time just being a married couple, in other words."

I think you hit the nail on the head right there. It shows in glaring neon that this couple had not matured as a couple before they added parenting to the mix. If they cared, marriage counseling could do a world of good. As it is, it's painful to watch their example to the children. I feel especially sorry for the boys--someday they will seek out domineering women because it's what they know.

July 8, 2008 6:52 PM

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Thank you.


I noticed it best in the dental office visit episode. She's just really immature. Alexis was in the chair coming unglued and Kate kept giggling and sort of laughing to cover up her own nervousness. That's a sign of immaturity and oddly enough, since I knew it Alexis would survive her first tooth exam as all children do, I pitied Kate far worse.


She's been called evil online. She's been referred to as an OCD sufferer. She's basically the new Hester Prynne of the millenium and it's astounding how fast it all happened, really. She's been called so many things, but it all stems from emotional immaturity and I think she knows she's immature, but her vanity over wanting to be a young,skinny,cute jet setting mother rode out her conscience on this one.


A lot of parents are vain. I don't think she deserves to burn in hell for it, but it's got to be recognized and tackled sooner or later. When you force yourself to grow up to soon and at an accelerated pace, you wind up atoning later for it, as do the people around you. It's cheating Mother Nature, basically.

miemic said...

Didn't I hear that a therapist was referenced in one of the couch confessionals?

Was this a joke on their part, or is their really a therapist working with them?

Anonymous said...

I think Kate and Jon are using the concept of the show and the confessionals as being "therepeutic" for them and a form of "marriage counselling" as an excuse for what they might be aware is unconscionable behavior and acting out that has been displayed on the show. In other words, they are saying that as yet another form of damage control along with implied justification for continuing this gravy train.

It sickens me that this freakshow is given even a modicum of respectability by being aired on networks called The Learning Channel and the Discovery network. The only thing I am learning from this sad display is that Kate needs to be hospitalized immediately. Even the Jerry Springer show was more honest.

NO Kate and Jon, these free for all confessionals witnessed by borderline evil enablers and crafty people who are making money off of your kids are NOT THERAPY. far from it. And we the viewers don't believe that for one second.

All another aspect of the facade that will keep love offerings coming from innocent people who are unable to see this scam for what it is.

FIONA said...

Regarding a possible divorce, child support etc...I was thinking, Kate would probably let Jon have the icky boys and possibly Mady.

And since the money the accumulated was a joint effort, I don't see why Jon would necessarily be screwed for life. Now the girls living at home, yea, that would be bad, but at some point the kids would have a voice as to who to live with. Think about it....they all might say Dad, right now. So seriously, Jon may have a better chance then people think.

And unless or until Kate receives treatment and changes, I think she should move out and let Jon raise these kids off the air. Although and HONEST portrayal of a single dad would be refreshing.

Just a thought! Jon....I bet you have thought of it as well.

Anonymous said...

I am sure Kate is not getting right on the recommendation to move out and let Jon rasie the kids alone, off camera. He would be the first to stop her. No one on the blogs is going to be raising these kids/

Anonymous said...

Kate is indeed vain and insecure, as some people sadly are. That, however, is not the issue. She's putting her very young children on TV to not only to make a living but to rake in as much stuff as she can. She--and her equally guilty husband--need to be called to task for this. Jon's and Kate's personality issues are beyond our control. The priority is to stop the public exploitation of 8 young children.

green said...

Kate doesn’t seem to care (or is oblivious) about Jon’s feelings. At the end of the cupcake episode he tries to point out to her that she’s been calling him fat for 3 “seasons”. Meaning, to me, she has been commenting about his weight on television for the world to see. But now, he is exercising and doing something about his weight. Instead of Kate listening to his point, she wigs out on his use of the word “seasons”. She turns the whole discussion around to Jon being in the wrong and how he automatically loses because he dared to say “seasons”. This, of course, completely glosses over Jon’s point. I thought he did have a valid point. She does comment on his weight and on his appearance and he is now doing something about it. But, in the end, Jon just apologizes to her.

Even when the show gets cancelled one day (I’m not saying this to be unkind realistically it won’t last forever) the problems will still be there just not on television. Sadly, change will occur only when Kate wants to change.

Serena said...

She turns the whole discussion around to Jon being in the wrong and how he automatically loses because he dared to say “seasons”. This, of course, completely glosses over Jon’s point. I thought he did have a valid point.

This is a pattern of Kate's -- she is the Queen of Deflection. When presented with anything remotely critical, just immediately siezes upon something to attack the other person with in order to completely turn the attention OFF of her and ON to the other person.

berkscounty said...

I don't give Jon a free pass. I just don't get why he condones the chaos all around him. He acts as if he has NO control over anything. In any relationship it takes two to tango. Yes Kate is controling and degrading, but Jon puts up with it. I'm sure this behavior exsisted well before Jon walked down the aisle with Kate. And she certainly established her personality to him before Jon hopped on down to the fertility clinic to make a donation not once but twice. I just don't get him....
Speaking of fertility, I wonder if the queen of PCOS, Miss Kate, uses any birth control to prevent the possibility of accidents that might slip through the infertility barrier. I've always questioned the validity of her "infertility".

FIONA said...

I have thought that too Berks Co.

I think the whole infertility is just another scam.

aly,benji n siennas mom said...

That crossed my mind too, but Doctors do extensive tests to establish infertility before administering the drugs to become pregnant.

So maybe I said MAYBE that is not the case

moi said...

I've always questioned the validity of her "infertility".

According to Our Story on their own website...

Married: June 1999 (age--early 20s)
"Testing" done: Fall 1999
Pregnant with the twins: February 2000

Time between wedding and pregnancy: 8 months.

Perhaps one of the venues Jon and Kate can use for a speaking engagement would be an organization for women with infertility, tell their story about their 8 months to success (not to mention that a doctor treated them for infertility at their age and with such a short history behind them), and see how many "love offerings" and how much sympathy they get. Food for thought.

momof6 said...

"she's got stress issues because she had babies so soon after getting married and didn't adjust to being a spouse before the adjustment to being a mother hit her head on. This couple didn't spend very much time just being a married couple, in other words."

I agree with this one completely. But the responsibility is still on them. Infertility treatments are a choice as is starting a family in any way. Kate by her own admission in a recent episode was "impatient" and in the infertility center less than 6 months after marriage if I recall correctly. In the same episode John stated that when he met Kate he never wanted a wife or kids.

"I think one of the main reasons Jon stays around is due to the fact that he'd have to pay huge child support payments. All the money he's made off of the children he'd have to pay to Kate."

I don't live in PA, but I know in Ca where we live 50/50 custody is the norm. Being that neither of them are currently actually working for a living the judge would most likely order them both back to work. Kate by her own admission is some form of a nurse. Plus John has several million hours of video taped verbally abusive treatment to both him and the kids. Plus, she gave her consent for the taping so most likely it would be admissable. As far as the "kids" money; I truly doubt that the majority of that money is saved for or goes to those kids anyway. Proceeds from the TV show I believe would be a mutual asset and divided equally.

"Speaking of fertility, I wonder if the queen of PCOS, Miss Kate, uses any birth control to prevent the possibility of accidents that might slip through the infertility barrier."

I don't buy that she has any sort of PCOS. PCOS is a term that is used very loosly these days. Woman that have PCOS generally have very obvious symptoms such as
1)Hair loss
2)Hard to control weight gain.
3)Obesity
4)Insulin resistance
5)Excessive body hair growth.
6)Acne
7)Years of infertility issues.
This does not sound like the Kate Gosselin that we see.

On a side note I have long doubted Kates infertility story and as for the "accidental" multiples... Most places treating women for true PCOS have to moniter women on fertility meds while in cycle because of the dangers of ovarian hyperstimulation. Which means they would have done an ultrasound prior to the IUI to count the number of eggs created and to make sure that she had eggs growing at all. At this point John and Kate knew the risk but decided to go ahead and do an IUI with 6 or more eggs present and a history of multiple pregnancy.
This by itself makes me wonder why she acts as though this whole thing was just simply out of her control. I understand not wanting to reduce, but she took a huge gamble with the lives of 6 children. Of course I guess it's been stated by so many posters before me... "this is not about the kids, it's all about Kate"

Anonymous said...

Moi, you took the words right out of my mouth ! I often pondered what the TRUE intent behind the J & K's speeches. Their story of infertility and how they were ultimately blessed with not one, but two sets of multiples via infertility science or their story or how their 'christian faith' persevered?? I totally agree that if J & K took their story to an audience that consisted primarily of individuals who have experienced the TRUE emotional, mental and physical roller coaster that comes with infertility, their audience would be less than supportive and giving to their 'cause'.

sabrinasmom said...

"I don't see why Jon would necessarily be screwed for life."

He could ask the fuzzy bunny for help. (snark) She's a good replacement - she's blonde.

IMO, Kate wanted twins. She cried "infertility" and she got twins. She wanted more - got 6 (maybe not what she bargained for) then all of a sudden it became the whole state of Pennsylvania's responsibility to care for them. Why? Because she was not informed that 6 could be the result - that the doctor's were OBLIGATED to do discuss the possible outcome of the procedure.

I agree to some extent, but when does common sense and accountability for oneself become a part of the equation? Oh. Wait. I am talking about Kate.

aly,benji n siennas mom said...

I’m no fertility expert or anything but re-looking at the FACTS they didn't even TRY to get pregnant on their own!

I know my friend went to a fertility doctor because she was scared, her and her boyfriend had been trying for about 7 months and when they had their appt the doctor told them that after a YEAR of trying they could come back! (She got pergos on her own about 4 months later)

I knew that J&K had gotten married in 1999 and that Cara and Mady were born 2000 but since I never really thought about it, it was whatever.
DAMN how did she get a doctor to do that if they did not even try???

Also I think Kate KNEW she had all those eggs and didn't tell Jon and then they did the "whoopee" (LOL) and got six precious kids. WOW

berkscounty said...

I myself struggled with infertility. It took us over 2 years to conceive our first baby. I'm at least 3 years older than Kate. When we began to explore our fertility options, after one plus year of no conception. We were told folks our age could wait at least 2 years as long as there were no pre-exsisting medical conditions(like pcos). I don't have pcos so I'm not familiar with its sypmtoms. I had a coworker who had it. She was skinny. She had a fair amount of body hair. Her periods were highly irregular. After conceiving their daughter with AI, she became pregnant by accident one year later, no artificial assistance. That's why I wonder about Kate. I wonder if she made Jon disconnect the plumbing. Not that anyone could find his balls to do so...(snark)

mswestern said...

IMO, Kate wanted twins. She cried "infertility" and she got twins. She wanted more - got 6 (maybe not what she bargained for) then all of a sudden it became the whole state of Pennsylvania's responsibility to care for them. Why? Because she was not informed that 6 could be the result - that the doctor's were OBLIGATED to do discuss the possible outcome of the procedure.

I do not believe for a minute that Kate's doctor -- unless she was seeing Dr. Nick, from the Simpsons -- failed to warn her of the dangers of high order multiples (HOMs) in the pregnancy that resulted in the sextuplets. In the "Our Story" section of their website, she says that she was hospitalized for overstimulated ovaries in that cycle. Having already given birth to multiples, I would be shocked if her doctors didn't counsel her to cancel that cycle and try again the next month. Because of the serious risks that carrying HOMs present to the mother and babies, no responsible reproductive endocrinologist deliberately tries to produce a sextuplet pregnancy. As Kate said on Oprah, "We're considered a fertility nightmare."

She clearly hadn't had that much trouble getting pregnant with the twins, waiting one more month wasn't likely to make that much difference. Our Kate wants what she wants when she wants it, though ... I would not be surprised to someday learn that after Kate was discharged from the hospital she and Jon went home and inseminated her the old fashioned way.

Thanks to patient confidentiality, we'll never know the truth, of course. Kate can use her doctor's professionally mandated silence to spin her story however she wants ... and the story she apparently wants us all to believe is that she -- a nurse by training, who worked in labor and delivery, who already carried twins and had just been hospitalized due to overstimuated ovaries -- is blameless as a lamb, a poor, innocent victim of fate.

My guess? Twins weren't getting her the attention she wanted, so she wanted another multiple pregnancy. I don't believe she wanted sextuplets, but twins or triplets, maybe even quads? I think that was exactly what she was after. Think of how special you'd be then!

Anonymous said...

I sincerely believe Kate goes around and solicits offerings from the churches for one reason only ...and that is: she did not reduce her embryos. She is very clever and uses this emotionally charged issue to profit off of the belief systems of a certain segment of society. I really think Kate planned this, and her whole talk is based on the frightening choice she made to stick with her "principles" and not reduce the embryos and the miracle babies that resulted. Then they talked about how hurting for money they are and how they need money to support the miracle babies.

I heard her father was a fund raising evangelical pastor so I wondered if she learned the art of the scam from him, saw what multiples were getting by way of freebies etc and 'conceived' her scam in her early 20's. All she needed was a sperm donar. Enter Jon.

Anonymous said...

Also, on Oprah she said that when she and Jon went to the fertility doctor the second time, they said "Please, be careful with us. We're concerned about multiples and we are against reduction". Does it make sense that the doctor would then hospitalize her for hyperstimulated ovaries, then tell her, as she claims on her website "that there were three maybe four follicles and it was a perfect cycle!" ??? Wouldnt that make him a total quack??

Knowing Kate and her love of money, if events really happened the way she described, wouldn't she have a case for malpractice and sue??? the fact that she didnt tells me that the doctor was probably very disturbed when she fell pregnant 5 weeks later on the same cycle she was hopitalized for hyperstimulated ovaries. She knew she had confidentiality on her side!!!

berkscounty said...

"I knew that J&K had gotten married in 1999 and that Cara and Mady were born 2000 but since I never really thought about it, it was whatever."

We could speculate that they tried getting pregnant before their wedding. But that wouldn't fit in with their religious beliefs, now would it?!

sabrinasmom said...

I do not believe for a minute that Kate's doctor -- unless she was seeing Dr. Nick, from the Simpsons -- failed to warn her of the dangers of high order multiples (HOMs) in the pregnancy that resulted in the sextuplets.

In the article about the continuing nursing care for the tups - Kate alludes to the reason why the "state" is responsible for their care. I haven't read the article in awhile, so forgive me if my memory is spotty. From what I can recall she says the doctors "knew" what the possible outcome could be, so since she ended up with six, "they" should take care of them. On the flipside, she knew what she was getting into as well - thus the option of voluntary reduction.

I’m no fertility expert or anything but re-looking at the FACTS they didn't even TRY to get pregnant on their own

Forgive me for being vague, I don't know if this is true or not, but on another board, I read Kate's Mom stated Kate used her "insider" (contacts at the hospital she worked at) knowledge to get the procedure done.

I really think Kate planned this, and her whole talk is based on the frightening choice she made to stick with her "principles" and not reduce the embryos and the miracle babies that resulted.


IMO this would not be above Kate - but if it's true she's an even bigger monster (sorry for the name calling) to try and tempt fate like that just to get rich? Some of the McCaughey tups have special needs, could you imagine what would have happened if God forbid, the Gosselin tups were not born healthy?

I heard her father was a fund raising evangelical pastor so I wondered if she learned the art of the scam from him

Haha if this were true, I don't think they would be estranged. Unless of course, there was an argument about how the proceeds would be split!

Anonymous said...

I posted about Kate possibly gambling on having HOMs and I was thinking what she would do if any of the babies turned out disabled or had special needs. I think she would say it was god's will and do exactly what she is doing with whatever the outcome was. i still think she would be soliciting churches no matter the outcome, because she still wouldnt have reduced and she still would have a dramatic story and would need money for her children.

Honestly, I don't think the well being of her kids is high on her priority list. Her kids are healthy now and she got very very lucky, because if she has no patience with them now I can only shudder to think how she would be with a special needs child.

From what I read, the main falling out between Kate and her parents was because they didnt give her enough money and the addition to her house that was built by her father's church was not to her liking. And the donations were not good enough. So it was about "stuff". It would not surprise me if she picked up some tricks on the art of the church scam from him though.

Anonymous said...

What was the outcome with the State when Kate and Jon requested another year of help??????

sabrinasmom said...

Kate Gosselin said she feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births.

This is quote I was referring to - here is the link to the whole article
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1400462/posts