"For once, I am proud of Kate."

I'm by no means J&K's biggest fan, but wrt the Jodi controversy, I'm 100% on their side.

Whether the show is healthy or not for the children, the majority of income that's generated remains in the Gosselin household. There's the technical pay to crew, and business expenses, and maybe these people shouldn't profit either- but in doing so they help support the income that the show does bring to the G. household.

Jodi being compensated for her involvement on the show- aside from babysitting fees- is an entirely separate matter- as she would be profitting of the backs of the tup's to support her own household and that money would in no way be filtered down to the tups, would nto support the show, nor enter into the G. household. Do you see the distinction?

For once, I am proud of Kate. Regardless of all her other parenting flaws, I am proud that she did not let an outside party profit from her family. When they pimp out their children, their children still see the benfits- Jodi would put that money in her pocket and take it home to support her family. The kids are not there to support someone elses family- and if Jodi thinks this is unfair, I think we need to reconsider our opinions of kind aunt Jodi. Kudos to Kate for at least keeping the money in the family, and not letting her tup's pay the Jodi family bills.

I also find it funny that we tend to think it's ok for Jodi to be compensated, and profit from the exploitation of the tups, because we like her personality- but not ok for the Mother, because we do not like her, even though THAT money remains in the tup's household.

This is one instance where Kate did protect her children. Shame on Jodi if she refused to reappear due to this.

If I'm not seeing something, feel free to point out the error in my thinking!

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Serena said...

I also find it funny that we tend to think it's ok for Jodi to be compensated, and profit from the exploitation of the tups, because we like her personality- but not ok for the Mother, because we do not like her, even though THAT money remains in the tup's household.

That would make sense, sort of, if Kate's true reason were wanting to prevent anyone else from getting paid.

That's not what this is about -- Kate orchestrated the hiring of personnel to take over what Jodi and Kevin had been doing for them. This new, non-related personnel WILL be getting a salary from Figure 8.

Kate's real reason was being pissed off that Jodi was making her look bad; preventing Jodi from being paid is just Kate's ostensible reason. The proof of this is in the pudding -- when Jodi said she would continue to provide child care for her nieces and nephews gratis, as always, Kate fired her anyway.

This is not the behavior of a woman trying to protect her children. There is absolutely nothing admirable or of integrity behind Kate's objection. In fact, it is yet another example of horrible parenting.

Unlike Kate, Jodi would not have been profiting from pimping out her own kids -- she would have been getting compensated for signing a contract agreeing to add the Gosselin children to her own fold while Jon and Kate jet around the country, using lies to fleece the sheep. And for agreeing to the huge disruption in her home as mentioned by the poster above.

Now, nothing has really changed except that the children will be robbed of the nurturing presence of a loving and beloved actual family member -- and will instead just be caretaken by a stranger on the Figure 8 payroll.

Anonymous said...

Id also like it added that Jodi has been doing this forever...She drove an hour to Reading to babysit the twins etc...

THIS is what she gets?

Its has nothing to do with MONEY. Its about Kates narcissism not letting Jodi have a little of the spotlight!

Anonymous said...

The kids are not there to support someone elses family- and if Jodi thinks this is unfair, I think we need to reconsider our opinions of kind aunt Jodi.

Yeah... Jodi said she wanted to continue caring for the children regardless of being paid.

Shame on Jodi if she refused to reappear due to this.

See above. Shame on YOU for not reading more carefully. Jodi did not refuse to reappear, she wanted to continue, it was Kate who couldn't stand Jodi being around and making Kate look bad.

FIONA said...

Guess you can't read very well. Jodi NEVER WANTED TO be compensated. She NEVER asked for any kind of payment! NEVER!!!! TLC approached her....they wanted to pay for their intrusion. The kids were spending more and more time with Jodi then they were at home, and the filming HAD to continue, even while J and K were out spreading their lies and deception. It only made sense that TLC approached Jodi to pay her.

And from what I CAN READ, she was not wanting to be paid. So your post about Jodi trying to make money off the tups is completely unfounded!!!

YOU can give Kate credit if you think she deserves it...but your thinking is as bad as hers, IMO!!!!

YUCK!

Virga said...

This poster should listen to themselves. The fact that they are NOT Jodi's kids is the distinction! She doesn't benefit from this show other than to have her life completely turned upside down and spun around. She is the one doing free babysitting week after week. She is the one with the camera crew traipsing into her house. She is the one who flew out to Utah simply to help fly everyone home and didn't enjoy a second of that trip. She also helped take them to Oprah, and perhaps a host of other trips we don't know about. Her kids did not get bikes from Ellen. She stayed at Jon and Kate's house so they could go off and get hair plugs. She sits down for interview after interview about the family for the sake of the show, which I promise you is not thrown together in a few minutes. That kind of thing takes an incredible amount of time. She is the one completely inconveniencing her own life and her own family so that she can be a presense in the children's lives.

Jodi does not get hair plugs, or plastic surgery, or other freebies. Kate does not appear to watch Jodi's kids as a return for the favor. Jodi gives and gives and gives, and then is chided for silly things like handing out gum to the children. Gum that Kate apparently permits them to have "on airplanes."

Moreover, Jodi is a rather prominent main character on this show aside from Jon and Kate and the children. Without Jodi's presence it looks like the Gosselins have no extended family at all, which would be even more odd than the situation already is. Jodi brings a lot to the show. Jodi is not a random fan or church lady weasling her way into the house and helping out with diapers and bottles just to get close to this family in the hopes it will pay off down the road. She is family, and family should come first.

Kate and Jon benefit directly from the children and this show. Jodi does not. I don't think anyone should be paid to do this show. But if you're going to pay people, which they're going to, then Jodi rightly and fairly deserves a share. Moreover, I cannot think of one good reason Jon and Kate have for denying Jodi her share after everything Jodi has done FOR THEM WITHOUT COMPLAINT WITH A SMILE ON HER FACE. Their attitude appears to be, if anyone will be profiting off our kids it will be us. Which I find very selfish, not to mention disturbing.

Steph said...

I find this post curious.

It wasn't paying someone to watch the kids to which Kate objected. The nannies from Dr. Phil were paid. The housekeeper was paid. The money that Jodi was to be paid did not come from Kate's pocket or take any money "away" from her household. TLC was going to pay it to Jodi--basically, pay her for something she had been doing for free for years. Kate didn't have to pay it.

Also, Kate DID let TLC pay for a "helper", who will indeed appear on the show in Jodi's place. So it could be viewed in a different light. Kate took money that was going to be paid to Jodi, an aunt who has been involved with the kids since day one, and gave it to a stranger hired from a service instead. It wasn't paid help that Kate objected to, nor money being made "from her kids". (ALL the money is being made from her kids. TLC is making money from her kids. Juicy Juice is making money from her kids. Figure 8 is making money from her kids.) It was JODI getting paid that Kate objected to, because she didn't want JODI to be paid.

I would understand your point more if Kate hadn't hired another person for TLC to pay.

Anonymous said...

I see your side completely... my only question is that it seems as though Jodi does A LOT for those kids and for Jon and Kate. How many people would watch 8 sick kids in addition to your own 4? I know that they are family and all but I really see both sides of it. Also, since Kate (or the show??) hired a nanny for the kids, it seems to me that someone is profiting from them regardless. If it were me, I'd rather have a family member who appears to be pretty close to the kids and to me get the money for all that she does for the family.

Obviously, I am not an insider, I don't know what goes on but those are my thoughts.

Anonymous said...

I find the whole article a bit interesting, almost as if someone from the J&K crew wrote it, to once again "try" to make Jodi look bad and make Kate look this wonderful, overly concerned mother.

Also Kevin seems to be making quite a nice living for that neighborhood and house. I don't think Jodi would be taking the money to pay their bills or supplement their income. Maybe she would save it for a rainy day, or for her own children's college funds or to repair some of the damamge done to her house by the G kids.

Maggie said...

Jodi allows a television crew into her life, the same way that Kate does. Her privacy and her children's privacy are compromised in doing so. If Kate and Jon fancy themselves as the next Lucy and Desi, well guess what, Fred and Ethel were paid for appearing. Jodi was in many episodes all for the sake of her love for the children, and because the production called for it.

She basically has to open up her home, her life and her family's life because the producers asked her to. She is under the same scrutiny as the family who is being compensated. The show is Jon & Kate + 8. It is not the Jon and Kate show, so the eight, in various forms are a huge part of the show, and when they are at Jodi's house the focus is on them.

Jodi is amazing with the children, and I think the viewers have loved to see her sweet touch with the children. Whether you think Kate is the greatest mother ever, it is certainly a nice contrast to see a different parenting style.

If the production crew decided to compensate Jodi and Kevin separately from what Jon and Kate are paid, what kind of person would not want that for a loving family member. It is no skin off Jon and Kate's teeth, and it ensures a trusted family member to rely on when they have to or choose to be elsewhere. Or Jon and Kate (or TLC) could pay someone out of their own pocket that is a stranger. It seems they would cut their own nose off to do make their point.

Anonymous said...

Is anyone ever going to tell us what happened with Beth and Bob? Don't they (J&K) might think that people will wonder why they aren't on the show and how Jon is supposed to be working for someone that's not in their lives anymore? Do they really think the public is that gullible. I would love to see a statment from Beth!!

hezbree said...

I have been very enlightened by reading many of these posts/comments. However, I can't help but notice how many posts I've read that insinuate direct knowledge of Jodi's feelings. Yes, Jodi's sister's blog give us insight into some of this, but let's remember that unless we know Jodi herself, we can't always assume things. As my mother said, when we assume, we make an "ass" out of "u" and "me."

For instance, in an earlier comment, Virga wrote: "She is the one who flew out to Utah simply to help fly everyone home and didn't enjoy a second of that trip."

Let's be fair here. Do we really know she didn't enjoy a second of that trip? This is just one minor example of assumptions that I feel have been made.

Serena said...

For instance, in an earlier comment, Virga wrote: "She is the one who flew out to Utah simply to help fly everyone home and didn't enjoy a second of that trip."

Let's be fair here. Do we really know she didn't enjoy a second of that trip?


I thought that poster was referring to the fact that Jodi didn't get to enjoy any of the perks of that ski trip... no spa, no restaurant, no skiing, no snow boarding, no sleigh ride... she simply flew out there only to turn right around and fly back.

She may have enjoyed being able to help her nieces and nephews, but she didn't get to enjoy any of the things that the Gosselin family was given for free on that obscenely expensive trip.

themediaguy said...

this is nonsense. at this pt, this is a well established and very profitable show for tlc/discovery. all tlc/discovery cares about at this pt is getting higher ad rates based on the show's ratings and demos. its a pretty easy sell from their standpoint. as far as they are concerned, they are willing to pay anyone that needs to be paid to improve/sustain ratings. so this is all the producers decision or kate's. since budgeting is not an issue for the show and producers, it comes down to kate and jon. so, i agree with you'all who have been harping on this issue. what i don't get is why kate would care if her friends and relatives were getting paid? this is not coming out of her deal. its part of the show's budget/expenses. the show is looking to spend $$$. it would otherwise go back to corporate. they want to maintain the show ratings. thats the bottom line. so i can only agree with you'all that kate doesn't want to be shown up or share air time.

what kate fails to recognize is that tlc/discovery is already searching for the "next" family/families to create shows around. its like what disney is doing with HSM or Hannah montana. they have other shows/actors/talent in the wings to replace the current cast/shows if something happens (like being held up for $$ or what happened with Miley Cyrus). these companies r not stupid when it comes to revenue generators. they need to keep shareholders happy. so my point is that tlc/discovery and its parent company have already started the motions to have similar shows to j&k+8 in the works.

this part is unfortunate, but they will be studying the ratings fairly intently as the tups get older. trying to see if there is any trends to be studied or leakage of viewers as the kids get "older" or less cute. (i know its a bad way to put it but trying to be frank)

so, i'm hoping for their children's sake, J&K are banking as much of their current earnings (from the show) as they can. It should be substantial (at least based on the amt of episodes they are ramping up to). the executives from these media companies are ruthless. once the profitability is compromised, they will move on hard and fast. there will be another brood of cute little toddlers around the corner that the viewing public will be happy to embrace with their short attention spans.

Virga said...

For instance, in an earlier comment, Virga wrote: "She is the one who flew out to Utah simply to help fly everyone home and didn't enjoy a second of that trip."

Let's be fair here. Do we really know she didn't enjoy a second of that trip? This is just one minor example of assumptions that I feel have been made.


What I meant is that she wasn't able to ski, go to the spa, stay in the huge mansion, and enjoy the trip that Beth and Kate and everyone else did. She may very well have enjoyed her flight out, and her flight back with the eight kids.

Serena said...

what i don't get is why kate would care if her friends and relatives were getting paid? this is not coming out of her deal. its part of the show's budget/expenses.

She doesn't -- that excuse was just a red herring. What Kate really cared about was the fact that Jodi was getting great press and was making Kate look bad in comparison. So she fired her and brought in a stranger to the children to replace her.

katja said...

"what kate fails to recognize is that tlc/discovery is already searching for the "next" family/families to create shows around... so my point is that tlc/discovery and its parent company have already started the motions to have similar shows to j&k+8 in the works."

If you check the website for JK*'s production compnay Figure 8 you will see that they are doing exactly that.

themediaguy said...

right. i was not clear on that. i agree, thats probably the normal thought process (.... i don't want to look bad). if she really thought it through, kate should want to continue to keep the "characters" that viewers develop an attachment to on the show. it should be a "business" decision. the goal for her should be to sustain the longevity (and thus the profitability for her and jon) of the show. Growing and sustaining viewership is the golden goose. imo, keeping the show's supporting "characters" coming in and out of episodes is one of the critical methods to keeping the show "fresh". and, they have done a fairly decent job of it to date. from my view, cutting out jodi and beth is not a wise business decision for the show unless the replacing characters/personality are interesting or show viewers a great connection with the kids from the outset.

one final note, jodi doesn't seem to have the right personality for her own show (IMO) BUT she might be great. i don't have the info to give an opinion. but if she did have a "good tv persona". with her 4 kids and the relationship with J&K+8, it could have been an interesting idea for a spin-off like tlc show. and J&K (if they could have thought outside the box), could have added another revenue stream to theirs. just a brainstorm.

before the comments start to come, i'm strictly coming from a biz perspective. i don't claim to know or have an opinion on the near term or long term impact on the kids from a show like this.

Serena said...

if she really thought it through, kate should want to continue to keep the "characters" that viewers develop an attachment to on the show. it should be a "business" decision. the goal for her should be to sustain the longevity (and thus the profitability for her and jon) of the show. Growing and sustaining viewership is the golden goose. imo, keeping the show's supporting "characters" coming in and out of episodes is one of the critical methods to keeping the show "fresh". and, they have done a fairly decent job of it to date. from my view, cutting out jodi and beth is not a wise business decision for the show unless the replacing characters/personality are interesting or show viewers a great connection with the kids from the outset.

I see where you are coming from. Your points are right on the mark, but we're dealing with Kate here. A woman who is so blinded by her own self-involved narcissism that she cannot grasp the concept of sharing the spotlight for the greater good.

Anything that threatens her Queen Bee status cannot have any redeeming qualities, in her universe, and they must be squelched.

Her narcissism dominates her thinking, where a less neurotic person would be able to think more logically of the bigger picture and the greater good. In Kate's world, there is no such thing as "just business" -- it is ALL personal.

sabrinasmom said...

The writer - was being sarcastic right?

From what I have read (correct me if I am wrong) despite all the money issues - Jodi still wants to be a part of the children's lives. That speaks volumes.

Kate not wanting ANYONE including her own brother's family not wanting to be compensated (regardless of the fact of how much they actually do) speaks volumes too.

I think Laura brought this up - but I think the anonymous option should be eliminated.

Anonymous said...

I really doubt TLC wanted to pay Jodi for the intrusion to her life. They wanted to pay her to protect their butts from a law suit down the line where Jodi sued them for compensation. Not that I think Jodi would do something like that but I am sure that it was in the back of the minds of TLC's legal team.

Anonymous said...

I, for one, would like to thank "themediaguy" for taking the time to comment. I find it interesting to read discussions about the machinations of companies like TLC/Discovery whose programming affect our culture and society both positively and negatively.

I hope you will continue to be a regular on Serena's very excellent blog.

Anonymous said...

I wish Jodi WOULD sue for compensation. If someone else is now getting paid to do what Jodi used to do, it seems that she is entitled to a couple of years worth of back pay!! Go for it, Jodi! You earned it! You deserve it!

Anonymous said...

Since it wouldn't take one dollar away from Kate's pocket if the show paid Jodi, how exactly is Kate protecting her children by driving away one of the few biological relatives the children know? Does she ever consider her children when she does that? According to Kate, Carla's daughter was the twins best friend and Mady had a special bond with Benny...now allegedly both are either out of the picture or on their way out. The twins knew Kate's parents but now they don't get to see them. So Kate's kids don't get to know their grandparents on either side, probably don't associate with Carla's daughter anymore, and now this. I wonder who Kate was thinking of when she mentioned that she wanted stuff from the pottery place in case they got company. You know Nana Janet isn't getting served tea and cookies when she comes over, it would interfere too much with her laundry duties. I bet Nana would be out on her ass too if she decided she didn't want to fold laundry every week anymore.

I hope they're investing the money they make from the show carefully because obviously it won't go on forever. Somehow I doubt it judging from the post about Kate having her own organic chef though.The specials when the tups were babies were cute and interesting but J & K plus 8 is turning into a weekly infomercial IMO.

Maggie said...

I totally agree with themediaguy and his argument about the supporting characters, the point I made less well with the Fred and Ethel reference. How many supporting characters have we had on this show, because to me they are running into a blur. Nana Joan and Nana Janet, Beverley, Carla, Jodi, Kevin, Bob and Beth, their four children (one of whom babysits), Jodi's four children, brother-in-law of the painting episode, girl from nanny agency, cleaners, and Carla the cleaner,one of the Carla's daughters that babysits, the list goes on.

How many of these do we see now? I guess the laundry people are still toiling away, but how many people are in and out of these childrens lifes, and discarded? This is not even counting the loyal film crew, I hope they are here for the long term, or as long as this show lasts.

What price loyalty? What price friendship?

Almost all of these "helpers" except for what is left of either of their families, is someone who has appeared since the tups were born (I think Nana Joan was Jon's childhood nanny, where is she now)? Do these people have a friend from the past? I understand that life changes and people move on, but a friend is a friend. Unless you are incapable of making or keeping them.

SmartyQ said...

Thank you, themediaguy, for your comments. I really enjoyed your perspective and am sure you're right. Please stay around.

Adri said...

Jodi was a babysitter. Family yes, but still a sitter.

Does the author believe that a sitter should not be paid?? How about a child care provider?? Should they do it for free??

Shame on Kate for not wanting her sister in law to be reimbursed for her time. And shame on the author for agreeing.

Steph said...

Oh Lordy Be--
Can you imagine if Jodi & Kevin got their own show after Jon and Kate gets the ax? I would laugh and laugh.
They are probably to "normal" for their own show, but still. All of the sudden, Kate would be showing up unannounced, pretending to be Jodi's BFF, just to get some camera time again.

chas said...

I cant help but wonder, is there more then money involved here with contracts and compensation....such as...would Kate lose control over what would be allowed to be aired if Jodi was paid had a contract to have things filmed in her home when kate and john were out of town?

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

Just to clear up a few things. The purpose of hiring Jenny wasn't because they wanted/needed a full time child care. Of course, if that were the case, Jodi wouldn't be interested because she has her own family.

They needed someone to be shown on air watching the children when J&K were away. They have been seen taking one on one days, as well as various other trips where they have left some or all of the children behind. Would anyone be interested in watching an hour episode of Jon getting hairplugs with no footage of the children being shown?

Jodi watched the kids a lot more than was shown on TV, and it wasn't just for filming. She was doing it as a favor to help Kate. It is my understand that they weren't trying to pay her for child care (outside the show), it was for being part of the show, in which her role was providing the child care while they were away.

Jodi had a good relationship with certain people. She was respected by them. She treats everyone with respect, unlike others. One person told her that she valued Jodi's opinion and wanted to run ideas by her. They wanted the four adults to sit down together with some from the show and brainstorm for ideas for the show. I don't know if that was told to Kate, but if it were, I can see that being a huge reason that she'd want to get rid of Jodi.

I agree that her decision was foolish. If she could have looked at it as a business decision, I think she would have seen that it would have only helped the show, and their ratings. It seems that the people from the show had some other ideas and wanted to include Jodi and I think they knew that the viewers liked to see a family member involved with the kids.

I don't know all the ins and outs of contracts and the industry, but they told Jodi that she should be compensated, in some way, for the intrusion. Her home and her family is being shown on TV.

Jodi just told me yesterday that a family was vacationing in the area and found out where they all lived. Jodi happened to be outside when they drove by and they asked to have their picture with her. She is recognized when she is out. She still has strangers coming up to her, telling her how sorry they are about the gum incident. She gets mail, calls, and people just showing up at their door.

I think Kate just wanted Jodi out of the picture. Maybe she thought that if Jodi wasn't going to be paid that she'd just walk away and then she could accuse Jodi of being greedy. Kate obviously doesn't know Jodi very well, because she would never put money above family. So when Jodi told her the money didn't matter and she wanted to continue, Kate had to come up with other excuses.

They have no one else to watch the kids and be shown on TV, so they had to hire someone and give her other duties as well. She is their "personal assistant" and she will be the one who will be shown on TV watching the children.

Anonymous said...

I watched my nephew yesterday - and I didn't charge my brother in law a cent. I wouldn't dreawm of it. But you can bet if my nephew came over with a production crew and my own family was asked to "perform" in front of a camera all day while babysitting and then the footage was shown on national television I would expect some sort of compensation!

I bet Sara Snow was paid for her time - Jodi shouldn't be any different! She has four kids to put through college as well!

Bless her heart for not even thinking of compensation on her own.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why the network wouldn't have gone directly to Jodi and Kevin with a contract or a deal as soon as they realized there was a need to do so. Instead, there's all of this...don't tell Kate I told you buuuuut....? Sounds to me like the 6th grade, behind the scenes wheeling and dealing by production will sink this show faster than any viewer disinterest or backlash ever will.

Why didn't Discovery/TLC continue the deal they had with Carla? They'd hired her on as Kate's PA/Nanny/Babysitter. She did everything from watching the kids when J&K went out of town to wrapping their Christmas presents this past year. Carla was a friend of another of Jodi's sisters, so it's OK by Kate for the network to pay friends -- but not family-- for services rendered? This is like taking the lid off a medium size can of worms...

Nancy said...

I would be willing to bet that Beth has suffered a similar fate to Jodi. I bet Figure8 wanted to pay Beth, Kate said no, so goodbye Beth.

Anonymous said...

"Jodi just told me yesterday that a family was vacationing in the area and found out where they all lived. Jodi happened to be outside when they drove by and they asked to have their picture with her."
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Wow, if a viewer can figure out where Jodi lives, then they could easily figure out where Jon & Kate live. And the kids regularly play out on the driveway. Does that not creep you out just thinking that strangers could drive up and expect to talk and take pictures with you and your kids just because they've been plastered all over TV???
Send shivers up my spine.

FIONA said...

TRUTH....

Do you know if Jodi and Kevin think that continuing the show is a good idea for the kids? Has anyone with any sense in their head, lot care about the kids tried to counsel Jon and Kate about the emotional burden being placed on the kids?

Also, if you care to answer, do you think Kate is mentally unstable, chemically speaking, or just a narcissist?

Is there any hope that Jon will step up and look out for the good of his family, or no?

Thanks for helping to keep the Gosselin kids cause on the front burner.

You must be as lovely as Jodi!

Anonymous said...

Sorry to play internet shrink here. I know many others have suggested Kate has Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). Rather than repeat the DSM criteria, this link discusses traits seen in those with NPD:

http://dslweb.nwnexus.com/jmashmun/npd/traits.html

It is very much Kate as portrayed on the show. Sadly most with this disorder will never seek treatment.

FYI, It is a long article. A few things from the site that really struck me:
"They can't see that they have a problem; it's always somebody else who has the problem and needs to change. Therapies work at all only when the individual wants to change and, though narcissists hate their real selves, they don't want to change -- they want the world to change. And they criticize, gripe, and complain about almost everything and almost everyone almost all the time. "

"Narcissists have little sense of humor. They don't get jokes, not even the funny papers or simple riddles, and they don't make jokes, except for sarcastic cracks and the lamest puns. This is because, lacking empathy, they don't get the context and affect of words or actions, and jokes, humor, comedy depend entirely on context and affect. They specialize in sarcasm about others and mistake it for wit..."

"Narcissists feel entitled to whatever they can take. They expect privileges and indulgences, and they also feel entitled to exploit other people without any trace of reciprocation."

"They will not have considered for one second how much of your time it will take, how much trouble it may get you into in their behalf, that they will owe you BIG for this -- no, you're just going to do it all out of the goodness of your heart, which they are delighted to exploit yet again, and your virtue will be its own reward: it's supposed to just tickle you pink to be offered this generous opportunity of showing how much you love them and/or how lucky you are to be the servant of such a luminous personage. No lie -- they think other people do stuff for the same reason they do: to show off, to perform for an audience. That's one of the reasons they make outrageous demands, put you on the spot and create scenes in public: they're being generous -- they're trying to share the spotlight with you by giving you the chance to show off how absolutely stunningly devoted-to-them you are."

hey will not have considered for one second how much of your time it will take, how much trouble it may get you into in their behalf, that they will owe you BIG for this -- no, you're just going to do it all out of the goodness of your heart, which they are delighted to exploit yet again, and your virtue will be its own reward: it's supposed to just tickle you pink to be offered this generous opportunity of showing how much you love them and/or how lucky you are to be the servant of such a luminous personage. No lie -- they think other people do stuff for the same reason they do: to show off, to perform for an audience. That's one of the reasons they make outrageous demands, put you on the spot and create scenes in public: they're being generous -- they're trying to share the spotlight with you by giving you the chance to show off how absolutely stunningly devoted-to-them you are."

"Nothing real is ever perfect enough to satisfy them, so are they are constantly complaining and criticizing -- to the point of verbal abuse and insult."

"Narcissists are impulsive. They undo themselves by behavior that seems oddly stupid for people as intelligent as they are. Somehow, they don't consider the probable consequences of their actions. It's not clear to me whether they just expect to get away with doing anything they feel like at the moment or whether this impulsiveness is essentially a cognitive shortcoming deriving from the static psychic state with its distorted perception of time."

Long post, I know. Hope others find this as interesting as I did.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I find the whole article a bit interesting, almost as if someone from the J&K crew wrote it, to once again "try" to make Jodi look bad and make Kate look this wonderful, overly concerned mother.

Also Kevin seems to be making quite a nice living for that neighborhood and house. I don't think Jodi would be taking the money to pay their bills or supplement their income. Maybe she would save it for a rainy day, or for her own children's college funds or to repair some of the damamge done to her house by the G kids.


MY EXACT THOUGHTS!!!

Anonymous said...

Honestly, I wish I had the means and the opportunity to pay my family members for each time they have watched my kids.

I hope they can repair things for the sake of their kids.

moi said...

It is very much Kate as portrayed on the show.
I know, you're basically writing that as a disclaimer, but I just have to add that Kate has said several times that that is the "real them," as they are portrayed.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

Thanks for sharing the article on Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). That sounds exactly like her, based on my own personal interaction and from what I've heard from others.

Fiona, to answer your questions...

1. Everyone who has any sense has been cut off. Many people have "tried" to talk to her. If anyone questions Kate, they are at fault, they are just jealous, they don't know what her life is like, the list goes on and on.

2. From what I've read about NPD, it sounds just like her. I'm not aware that she's ever been evaluated or sought treatment for any mental issues.

3. Now when it comes to Jon, I'm not sure that's even possible. I don't think either of them have even thought of the future when it comes to the well being of their children. Sure, they are providing the basic needs (or should I say the kids are), but other than that, I don't think security, emotional or mental needs even cross their minds.

Anonymous said...

One cannot honestly believe, as the orginator of this post suggested that J & K are the only ones profitting from this show and all said profits are remaining within the Gosselin household! Each and every person from J & K to the camera and production crew,TLC employees, book publisher, advertisers, businesses featured on the show and in the credits, product placement, etc are ALL reaping benefits financially and otherwise from this show! In each and every example above there is an underlying agenda of $$$ . None are participating in and given their just credits for the 'love of the children' or in the best interst of the children. Their sole and primary agenda is $$$$$! I doubt that Aunt Jodi and her husband have acquired all they have to date as a result of their association with J & K. Their financial livlihood is NOT based on , around or dependant on the reality show J & K + 8. Therefore, IMO Aunt Jodi's intentions on maintaining a relationship with the show was in the best interest of the children and the farthest thing from monetarily self serving!
Aunt Jodi has been replaced so now add a compensated outside source that will now be caring for the children to the above mentioned list of individuals that are riding this gravy train for all its worth! Whether the && acquired from this show stays within the Gosselin household is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. It is the MEANS by which the money IS acquired in IMO that is called in to question as immoral and worrisome.

Anonymous said...

Media Guy hit it right on the head. TLC is already thinking ahead and looking for plot lines and character development for this family to prolong the serie. I, myself, am sick of watching 8 crying kids every week and I enjoy the show. These kids are growing up fast and will outgrow their "cuteness' pretty darn fast and the public will grow tired of them and be off to the next cute family. Beaver Cleaver, Dennis The Menace, Opie Taylor and Erkel all outgrew their cuteness. Does Kate and Jon think just because they had six babies at once that the viewing public will want to see them all agonize over a fifth grade science test, making the soccer team, studying for a spelling bee contest, etc in a few years? This isn't the Brady Bunch and Jon and Kate are not Mike & Carol.

interested1 said...

Fiona,
where can I read about TLC offering to pay Jodi?

Serena said...

where can I read about TLC offering to pay Jodi?

interested1 - You can read about it here.

Anonymous said...

Jenny-the-nanny--whoever she is--doesn't stand a chance in that snake pit. Kate will eventually get rid of her, especially if Jenny is in any way kind, attractive, or responsible. I'm in-love-with-myself Kate won't be outdone by the hired help. I'm seeing a future episode. Jen, you wouldn't be setting us up, would you?

Anonymous said...

I'm probably the billionth person who posted this, so forgive me if I am.

Jodi's sister set up a blong which tells her side of the story,
truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com

Kate took the money that was offered to Jodi and used it to hire someone else because she was jealous of Jodi.

Serena said...

I'm probably the billionth person who posted this, so forgive me if I am.

Jodi's sister set up a blong which tells her side of the story,
truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com

Kate took the money that was offered to Jodi and used it to hire someone else because she was jealous of Jodi.


Aunt Jodi - The Tribe Has Spoken

Lori D said...

I find this all very sad. Kevin and Jodie seem to be the only family that were involved with the twins and tups. Now they are taken away.

Over the last few years I've enjoyed watching Jon and Kate + 8 Now I watch it with a more jauniced eye. It's all very sad. When TLC does move on, as they no doubt will, how is this family going to survive? I have a feeling they aren't saving for that rainy day..but that's just my opinion.

FIONA said...

Serena and Co.

I guess you could say I was obsessed with the Gosselin childrens' welfare. I think about the kids everyday. Maybe obsessed is too strong of a word, but I do worry if they have all been loved on and snuggled with each day. I know Mother has said she sometimes realizes at the end of the day that she doesn't always have a converstation with each of them daily....so I am sure my concerns are justified. I live in a state where large families are the norm. Why is it that those families can make it work with parent's working and everyone is happy. Yet, Mother seems to have quite alot of extreme advantages, and still she is not happy. The home is not happy. If I were Mother/Father, I would be asking myself why?

I have also been paying closer attention to the large families in my neck of the woods, in public places. How the parent's and siblings all manage to shop, go out to eat, sit in a moive theatre etc...with out yelling or crying.

In my opinion, there is nothing difficult in Jon and Kate's life...nothing to bitch about.

I bet if they were honest, they would say they were not happy.

I bet Cara and Mady would say they aren't happy. And it is quite possible the tups are mature enough to understand why there are more sads times than happy.

Just some thoughts on my mind...

Anonymous said...

I have also been paying closer attention to the large families in my neck of the woods, in public places. How the parent's and siblings all manage to shop, go out to eat, sit in a moive theatre etc...with out yelling or crying.

In my opinion, there is nothing difficult in Jon and Kate's life...nothing to bitch about.

I think having 6 children all the same age would be very difficult--different than a large family with children of all ages. The older ones can help the younger ones and the parents can focus on the need of the baby or toddler. I am wiped at the end of the day caring for my 4 year old and one year old. Now that the tups are four, I'm sure they are easier to manage. But 6 toddlers? I would go insane. Just wrestling my 18 month old to change his poopy diaper while he screams and squirms--three times today--feels like a work out and is very frustrating. I couldn't imagine doing that six times.

I do think their life was very hard. I think it has gotten easier with all of their help now. BUT Kate makes her life much harder by trying to be perfect and by having unrealistic expectations for her kids and those around her.