Episode Recap: Sunny Day - 07/28/2008

I was looking forward to this episode, as I took my kids to Sesame Place many times over the years. Seems like yesterday, even though they are now 17 and 24. We have some great home movies from there, as well as lots of memories (the good kind!).

So I was really going into this episode on a happy note and an open mind. I usually watch all of the J&K+8 episodes with an open mind actually, giving J&K the benefit of the doubt that they will smarten up and make life better for those children. I kind of wipe the slate clean when 9PM Monday evening rolls around.

Starts out with Jon saying they decided to take the kids to Sesame Place. Not really sure it was their idea or not, but that really doesn't matter, they were going. It was a hot day, Kate said it was "beastly hot". I guess I can give her a pass on that, even though her usage of the language has convinced me she isn't related to Daniel Webster. Jon later said it was 113 at the park, that the attendant told him that. I don't live too far from there, and it never gets that hot. Maybe the real feel, maybe the heat bouncing off the asphalt, but thermometer temperature didn't go over 99 degrees. That link is the maximum temperature for Langhorne PA on 6/10/08 when the Gosselins were there. The difference between 99 and 113 is HUGE. The average temp that day was 86.

Getting ready for the trip, Joel comes to Jon and reports that somebody pooped in the little potty, and that it was Aaden. Apparently, the tups need to do pee in the little potties and poops in the big potties. WTF? The reasoning is, four kids go on the same potty and dropping a load in there can make it overflow and splash. HUH? How disgusting is THAT? If they can manage to get on the big toilet to go poops without falling in and flushing themselves, then they can do pee while they are up there too. Sometimes when even adults go in there, we aren't sure what you are going to do. If I had to change pots between #1 and #2, someone would be sorry. I can go into the bathroom, clearly believing I just have to do a bladder splatter, and suddenly without warning, I'm launching a couple of torpedoes. It happens. Sh*t happens. Literally.

So Jon starts to grill Aaden to get him to admit it was him who pooped in the little potty. He never fessed up, but Jon kept saying how guilty he looked. From where I was sitting that wasn't a look of guilt on his face, it was a look of FEAR. Next time I hope he pees and drops the load right in his unawears. He got in trouble for pooping in the little potty, how much worse trouble could he have gotten in pooping in his pants?

The kids were running around the house, getting excited about the trip. They talked about going to see Elmo, which Kate said Alexis will love because Alexis "Lives in the world of TV." HUH? Thought these kids didn't watch TV and anyone who dared LET them watch anything except J&K+8 or LPBW would feel the wrath of Kate. In fact, all the kids were pretty well versed on the characters. Mind you, I have nothing against kids watching Sesame Street. It's a great show, with great messages and learning. It's that Kate gets up on that soapbox proclaiming her kids don't watch TV.

Jon came out ready to go, wearing a red T shirt with an American flag on it with "America" over it. Kate said "Oh no, it's not exactly the 4th of July" (you can only be patriotic one day a year?). Wuss that he is, he goes and changes into another T shirt, which Kate says "No, off, not allowed", and he goes to change again, and comes out in a nice pink polo shirt. Kate says "That is pink. It is ugly, it's worn out and it's old." He goes and changes again, now back into the original America shirt.

Kate fixes Alexis and Leah's hair, putting them in cool pony tails for the hot day. She even threatened to cut Alexis' hair like the boys. We see Hannah crying in Kate's lap, a fool can figure out Hannah didn't want her hair done, and we know Hannah gets to choose her hair fashion. So Hannah leaves with long, stringy hair in her eyes. It's time to leave, and Queen Bee Kate is sitting in the living room on her throne barking orders, the same place we saw her when the show opened. Jon is taking the kids outside through the garage, and he apparently can't even do that right. The kids are excited and they are noisy exiting the house. Kate barks "Just stand and cause noise and confusion in the dining room. Everything is a process, but not to you [Jon]." If he's not processing correctly, get off your lazy butt and go and help. She just doesn't know how to help. We now see Hannah in the garage trying to put on shoes. Oh no, I think, not another shoegate, I can't take it. Jon threatens to leave her home if she doesn't get her shoes on (yeah, good one, Jon, that would really happen), then Collin echos Jon's words and Hannah gets upset. I guess she got them on at some point off camera.

Cara and Collin find a small spider in the garage. Collin wants to put it in Cara's bed. Cara said to put it in Mady's bed. My vote is for Kate's bed. Cara and Collin seem happy playing with the small spider, then comes Leah and smashes it dead with the end of a flag stick. Cara starts to cry, Collin gets mad, Jon says "Good job" to Leah and tells Cara and Collin they can find more spiders.

The kids are finally herded into the assault vehicle and Jon starts to back up when we hear Kate screaming "NO STOP, you can't back up, you'll back up into the white van." He complains that she parked too close, why would she do that. He gets out, moves the white van, then pulls out in the blue one. The gas tank is on empty, so they have to go for gas. He says Kate ran it down. And of course, Kate doesn't do gas (or kids, or laundry, or cooking, or cleaning....etc., etc).

First thing they do is go on the carousel. Pretty nice. Everyone seemed happy. Kate tells us she told the twins to see the fun through the tups eyes and try to enjoy themselves. Great advice Kate, why don't you do that yourself at Crayola, or WDW, or at the pottery place, or cupcake place, or Gymboree, or Bounce U....or anyplace you take them. See the fun through THEIR eyes, be more concerned about them having fun. Screw the stains and the "hours and hours of stain removal." That's all BS anyway.

It's horribly hot there, finally we see Hannah's hair in a pony tail. Guess Hannah finally gave her OK. Kate has brought drinks along and she starts handing them out. Jon was right behind her, but apparently didn't jump at the chance to help Kate hand out eight drinks, so she shrieks "Jon you need to help, stop looking at your physique so much." He was standing there talking to a crew member, not flexing and not doing his muscle beach imitation or anything.

They went on the slide and they seemed to be having a pretty good time. They went for lunch and ate hot dogs, french fries and pickles. And the "O" word was never mentioned (organic, not Oprah). They kids didn't seem to be strangers to french fries, they weren't looking at them funny, or making any comments. Jon called it "healthy food", which made me laugh. Maybe Ronald McDonald has met them more times then they care to say. Again, I have nothing against fast food, as I have nothing against TV. Just don't put yourself on this "Holier than thou" pedestal when you aren't walking the walk. Kate tells Mady to find a table to sit with Cara. Mady tells her the only place she wants to sit is in the car for two hours, then go home. Wow. There is a kid with issues. Kate's reply: "You need sugar." Oh God, that's another whole eight paragraphs. Don't get me started.

Kate took the opportunity to mock Joel's lisp again. She imitated Joel meeting Zoe, saying "Oh Zoey, you are tho beautiful". Then he says "We watch you on TV." More TV that they never watch.

The kids meet the other characters in a private setting, and seemed to know them all. Knew a lot about them as well. After Kate hugged Big Bird, she said "Oh, he is so featherated, flust....flusterated." Like I said, no relation to Daniel Webster. Kate says they went home and watched Elmo's world videos, which they apparently owned and watched often. OK.

Kate complained that it took 2 hours to change the tups from their clothes to their bathing suits. OK, 3 adults, 6 kids equals 2 kids each, equals one hour each to change clothes? When I took my kids, they wore their bathing suits with an oversized T shirt over top to protect from the sun. Just took the T shirt off when they went in the water, put it back on when they came out. No need for street clothes at an amusement/water park. No need to change back into street clothes even for the ride home. They dried off in a snap in that sun, plus they stayed cool with the wet clothes on until they dried.

Jenny took the twins on the water raft 4 times and they had a blast! Sad to see the girls have that much fun with a caregiver and not their parents. Mady then said that was the best day of her life, which Kate points out is in stark contrast to Mady saying every single day that it is the worst day of her life. So sad.

They were putting the tups back into the strollers. Kate put two in with a towel under them, then Jon starts doing the same. Kate yells "STOP, take her out, there is a good way to do this and a bad way." Kate had to put the towel how SHE wanted it. Jon said "Why are you spazzing out?" LOVE IT.

Kate Webster announced it was "blazingly naptime." I'll try to translate. Either she was saving time saying "It is blazingly hot out, the kids are tired, and they will nap on the way home", or she really screwed up trying to say "It is blatantly obvious it is naptime". Who knows? The tups held out very well for the heat and activity.

Then everyone, kids, parents, Jenny, crew members and some Sesame Place crew went on the roller coaster three times (would not want to be standing in line in that heat behind them). Those kids are not going to know what it is like to wait in line, share with others and take turns. They are totally being raised in an immediate gratification environment. Even Kate said when they got to the park that "Oh, it's crowded." Not everyplace closes for you and your kids, Kate. It was obvious they had private parking, private dining room (it was empty and I can't imagine on a hot day people weren't in there at least for cover and cool), they had private showings with all of the characters, and a private "tour" of the Elmo's world set. They also did not wait in line for rides, were able to go multiple times without getting off. I'd say that's pretty damn good. You want everyone to vacate for you too?

Kate got in her usual quota of digs for Jon, having a large tummy, losing his hair, not having a clue, not helping, etc. She boasted that they must have been good and well behaved, as they were invited back. Gee when I left there, they would always say "Come back soon", and I really didn't take it as a personal invitation. But I'm not Kate.

On the interview couch, Kate did not look well. Her faced was puffed, her eyes didn't seem to be going in the same directions, she seemed tired and dazed and just not with it. Her mouth seemed wrong and her body language was horrid. I'm wondering if this is some cosmetic stuff gone wrong, or if she was ill... it certainly can't be from exhaustion -- one has to actually move and do things to get exhausted. She also looked like maybe she had just gotten up. She was leaning far away from Jon, and seemed to be almost dozing off a couple of times. What the heck is going on?

It was a cute episode, but I would have loved to see more of the kids playing in the water, and going on rides. Too much blapping from J&K. Aaden gave me my worst and best moment from the show. The worst was when Jon was grilling him about the poops, he looked so sad, and so scared. I could have just hugged him. And the best moment was Aaden saying "Where's Grover? I want to see Grover" and Grover was standing right there. Kate says he's right there. And without moving from where he was standing, just did a casual "Hi Grover" and that was it, that's all he wanted to do. It was amazingly cute!

I'm sorry for the rambling recap. Or, as Kate would say "ramblicating" or "rambulating", but she wouldn't say "I'm sorry." That's just not in Kate's dictionary.

Reprinted with permission by NancyAnne

87 comments:

Anonymous said...

Were we even watching the same show? I'm with you are kate's rudeness to jon with the shirt thing but the thing with Aaden? Sure he looked guilty/scared. There was a rule and he broke it. Are they not supposed to punish (like that was punishment) them for disobeying?

iluveeyore said...

Gee... I thought that was Alexis killing the spider/ant also, but someone corrected me and insisted that it was Leah. Anyone still have that episode saved?

(I suspect that the reason they didn't take Jenny with them is that they have a TEN-passenger van. No room for any guests!)

Anonymous said...

just a comment about the sugar deal... cara/mady (I forget which one Kate was talking to) may have a low sugar issue. I have 'sugar issues' as well and have since I was little. If my blood sugar got too low I would get cranky and whiney and my mom would give me a little something sweet or some juice to drink. Depending on how the issue is handled through a lifetime this issue can gear one up for full out diabetes. I repeat, depending on how its handled... not sayign she will or will not get diabetes, but it depends on how its handled. just wanted to shed a little light on that sugar comment. I usually do not support Kate so its odd me agreeing with her treatment of that issue but yes, I do agree.

Anonymous said...

Yes, it was Leah. I just rewatched the episode. And it was totally Leah killing the spider and looking oh so proud of herself for doing so.

Anonymous said...

'So Jon starts to grill Aaden to get him to admit it was him who pooped in the little potty. He never fessed up, but Jon kept saying how guilty he looked. From where I was sitting that wasn't a look of guilt on his face, it was a look of FEAR. '

I dont think it was fear. Jon isnt scary like Kate. Jon seemed to handle it well, I thought. No screaming like mommy dearest. Aaden was guilty and he knew it- more a look of shame and I'm sorry- just wasnt able to articulate it. The boys dont seem to have the best verbal skills. I do agree tho- he is darn cute. Aaden is my favorite. Tho I certainly would never show it :)

nofantasy said...

I didn't think the thing with Aaden was bad. Kids need to be encouraged to be honest. Jon didn't yell, he didn't threatened, he just demanded the truth. I thought Aaden looked embarrassed, not scared.

As for TV...it hasn't come up lately so it may be possible the tups didn't watch much until they were toddlers. I don't like little kids watching TV but come 3, I think some educational TV is ok.

I don't see a problem with J&K skipping the water ride. My mom never did them with us and it doesn't tarnish my memories...I had just as much fun with my cousin or friend's mom or whatever.

I actually enjoyed this episode quite a bit; it was light on the J&K ickiness toward each other that's been rampant lately.

minxie said...

My two cents about the blood sugar issue: Seems to me the kids might need more protein to keep their blood sugar stable. Remember the Christmas episode where Kate gave them sticky buns and cocoa for breakfast.? Yikes! I'd bet that sugar high sent some of them crashing later. Kate seems to think if carbs are "organic" they are healthy--but they are still carbs. When do the kids eat, say, scrambled eggs, tuna fish, chicken, burgers? I know from myself and my own children that protein sticks longer and staves off hungry tantrums. We know Kate got the half cow in the Sara Snow episode, but I can't remember many instances of seeing them eating beef.

Fidelia said...

Nancy~
Loved your recap. It is blazingly funny! In Kate Speak that means "very, very" funny.

I really enjoyed this epi for once because of the smiles of the children and the fact that I believe they had a good time despite the nicks and bumps from Ma Gosselin.

Although I enjoyed the show, I felt my body actually tense up during the program. Apparently, I was waiting for the low blow from Kate at any given time. I haven't felt that much tenseness since JFK was shot right on TV (yes, I am that old).

And...Minxie (upline) I blazingly agree with you about the sugar and way, way too much carbs for those kids - such as pancakes with syrup. Kate might have avoided some major meltdowns by feeding her children protein especially in the mornings.

Kate doesn't know from nutrition or anything else for that matter.

I hope we will read more from you, Nancy.

Fidelia

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice that Jon's MySpace page has been completely removed? That just happened in the last 24 hours.

SkippyMom said...

I loved the recap - it highlighted many things I thought while watching it.

-Why does Kate insist on dictating from a chair? Get UP & help...I always wonder WHAT she does. I wouldn't dream of demanding from a seat while my husband did everything and then criticize what he did. [And Jon has a point - why doesn't Kate pump gas? He shouldn't have made the comment in front of the kids, but she has to be the laziest woman alive not to pump her own gas - when she is ALONE. geesh]

-The low sugar comment, while may be a true fact, is just inappropriate. She could've simply said something encouraging, while slipping the poor dear a lolly, instead of discounting her feelings by implying she didn't really feel that way - she was just "low on sugar". I guarantee that is a memory that is going to stick for a long time.

-The two hour to change 6 kids? Where in the world did this come in and why does TLC allow it stay in the epi? It is yet another of her obscene exaggerations. Does no one point this out to her?Ridiculous.

-Kate's continual jibs at Jon. The hair is going, it will be gone and there is nothing you can do about it [obviously, even with hairplugs]. GET.OVER.IT. Comparing your husband to a muppet is demeaning, at best, and the viewing audience is tired of your want of his hair. I don't get why the two [especially Kate] are so obsessed with their looks. They looked better when the series started and people do go bald and DON'T get bad haircuts/coloring.

-One last thing - I am so glad she didn't bring up how they never watch TV in this epi. As we all well know [according to Kate] they only watch J&K and LPBW...but she completely shot herself in the foot with her remarks about the kids knowing the characters and how the kids did actually know them when they saw them. I LOVE S.S. and see no problem with them watching it, but don't lie Kate. Those kids are parked in front of the TV a whole lot more than you want to admit. We might admire you a bit more if you copped to some of your foibles instead of trying to pass yourself off as the perfect mom. "Nope, no TV for my 8." Lie

I could go on, but there simply is too much.

Anonymous said...

Blazingly good recap. ;-)

Anonymous said...

I personally did not think Jon and Kate were quite as neurotic as you made it seem with the whole little potty incident. Kate was saying that the little potty is an overflow potty because so many children need to pee around the same time so the little one should be used for peeing and if the kids need to poop they can use the big toilet. I don't blame them for this rule it is easier to rinse out pee than clean out poop. Jon dealt with Aaden in an appropriate way he was saying he did not care but just wanted Aaden to tell the truth.With 8 young children Jon and Kate are not doing such a bad job parenting as a lot of people on this site make it seem!

Anonymous said...

Overall I was entertained by your recap but I have to disagree with you regarding Aaden and the potty. He broke a rule and he did look guilty/scared b/c he broke it. Not because Jon was abusing him in any way.

I agree, making them go in the little potty is really freaking nasty and I sure wouldn't want to clean it but I think much is being made of nothing over the little incident.

Anonymous said...

What I find irritating about Kate and the 'you need some sugar' issue is, she never asks the children what is wrong or why they are feeling that way, she simply dismisses the way they are acting as 'needing sugar'. There is a real possibility that the children are acting the way they are because they are tired, hot, bored, not feeling well, dont want to be there, just simply grouchy and acting out for no specific reason at all. Instead of immediately pacifying signs of emotional distress with food, Kate should ask Mady (or whatever child) what the problem is and why she is feeling the way she is at the time of her so called 'melt downs'. Kate just might learn that the melt downs and moodiness arent 'sugar' or food related at all.

Anonymous said...

I just thought I would point out that we have seen the basement TV on while they are playing, we have seen them in J/K's room watching TV in the mornings, and we know they watch TV occasionally with the family and at night before they go to bed. They have never said they watch no TV, they said they don't watch a lot of TV. We do see them playing an awful lot. Most kids (both of my brothers are guilty of this) watch TV morning to night. I think its refreshing that they play outside, play imaginative games, and play more physical games.

Also, people talk about how Kate is so mean to Jon about his looks, but I'll remind everyone that he has made some not so nice remarks in the past about hers. And this time when she said "You know something about bellies in your past life" he said "Thtop" and then started to laugh. That kind of reaction makes me think it doesn't bother him as much as people think it does. Sometimes I think people get unnecessarily indignant on Jon's part. And an aside about the shirts, it wasn't that Kate said she had to approve his shirt, he said he wanted her approval and asked for it. It wasn't like she made the decision that he couldn't leave the house unless she approved his shirt.

Anonymous said...

Quote: "Instead of immediately pacifying signs of emotional distress with food, Kate should ask Mady (or whatever child) what the problem is and why she is feeling the way she is at the time of her so called 'melt downs'."

Nah. Way too much work, Kate does not do any parenting that doesn't involve barking orders to underlings.

Anonymous said...

While Kate states the kids, "need sugar", she also encourages Jon to shove down the caffeine. Side effects of too much sugar/caffeine are pretty much the same. Expect meltdowns and crashes.. This is probably why these kids (and parents) are always hyped up, anxious, then growling, and melting down. Just one more thing thats been on my mind... when parents hit and scream, expect the same from your children, whew.

Jayne said...

I know one day we're going to see a "Katie Dearest" book written by Maddie and co-authored by Joel.

Carrie Ann said...

I watched the episode again tonight and not all the kids had hot dogs. Some had some kind chicken or tuna salad on a crescent while one of the twins had pizza.

della said...

-Why does Kate insist on dictating from a chair? Get UP & help...I always wonder WHAT she does. I wouldn't dream of demanding from a seat while my husband did everything and then criticize what he did.
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Lordy, I hope Kate recognizes how good she has it in Jon the man-child. I would imagine that if I were to park my ass in a chair and order my husband around and then bag on how he does stuff, I wouldn't be married for long.

Come to think of it, I wouldn't have married anyone that would let me treat them that way in the first place. Not that I would ever treat someone I supposedly loved, or anyone for that matter, that way.

They are both so screwed up. Those poor kids.

Anonymous said...

The Harris Six will be starting a series on Tuesday at 9 p.m. called "Then Came Six" on Discovery Health. There will be 2 half hour shows that night.

Can you say COMPETITION!

Lordy Beeeee!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

On multiple occasions Kate has commented about the children, especially Mady, needing sugar.
I'm not a health professional, but I've dealt with blood sugar level issues as a teacher of students with diabetes.

Isn't it only in extreme circumstances that you remedy a low blood sugar situation by having the person eat or drink a sugary substance? For instance, if a diabetic has too much insulin at a given time, the object would be to get sugar in a relatively pure form into the person as efficiently as possible.

On the other hand, when it's just a more routine "low blood sugar" episode, isn't it preferable to give the person something to eat that contains not just carbs but also protein and fat, so that the blood sugar won't just spike and immediately plummet, but would remain at a more stable level?

As a registered nurse, shouldn't Kate be aware of this?
Or am I missing something?

Carrie Ann said...

On the other hand, when it's just a more routine "low blood sugar" episode, isn't it preferable to give the person something to eat that contains not just carbs but also protein and fat, so that the blood sugar won't just spike and immediately plummet, but would remain at a more stable level?

This is correct. Unless the blood sugar levels are extremely low, which usually cause the person to shake or have other side effects, you don't give just sugary stuff. And from my experience dealing with my diabetic brother, campers, and friends, it is usually high blood sugar that causes irritability and bad tempers.

Anonymous said...

re harris sextuplets and "then came six" -- according to this article it sounds like this is just a series of three hour long specials -- http://cf.us.biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080724/neth036.html?.v=59

they are produced by figure 8.

let's hope that the harris family doesn't in fact end up following in the gosselin's footsteps regarding a weekly series.

laura linger said...

I think the "low blood sugar" thing is just a quick and easy way for Kate to dismiss Mady and Mady's needs.

I agree with your assessment of Kate's appearance, which was actually rather shocking.

Great job, by the way. That water park looked like a blast. Too bad Dr. Killjoy was there with her brood to complain about TWO HOURS of changing clothes. Uh, whatever happened to just wearing your swimsuits to the theme park? That's what we always did when we were kids. Who cares if you aren't a fashion plate? You're a kid, and water parks are a blast.

MrsRef said...

The "problem" with the towel was that Jon had folded it wrong - the Sesame Street characters were not showing and Kate had to correct it. I also don't know why every episode has to have some portion revolve around poop. It is juvenile. I also find both of them way too obsessed with looks. Face it, everyone gets old. My husband and I will be married 31 years on Tuesday, we do not look the same as we did when we met but that is okay. What shallow people these two are.

Anonymous said...

There is a headline with a picture of Jon and Kate on AOL this morning. The tile of it is "The Taping of the Shrew" It talks about how the kids are not allowed to have fun because of Kate's phobias, the way Kate treats Jon and how some think the show should be cancelled!

Christa said...

Kate was also clueless on how to remove staples from Jon's head. I can NOT believe she's a REAL NURSE.

I have removed THOUSANDS of staples, and I am not an RN (I was an assistant to a surgeon with a private practice).

After hearing things she has said I have to say that she must not have paid much attention in nursing school.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Kate has ever had Maddy diagnosed with a low sugar problem, or this is just her justification of Maddy's behavior? She doesn't seem to want to deal with it in any way, and dismisses the entire attitude as sugar. All the kids are in for some major adult issues, especially Maddy.

Anonymous said...

I dont think Jon scared Aaden, he actually said to Aaden "i dont care" he just wanted him to fess up, and imo he didnt look fearful he looked guilty and embarrassed.

Anonymous said...

QUOTE Were we even watching the same show? I'm with you are kate's rudeness to jon with the shirt thing but the thing with Aaden? Sure he looked guilty/scared. There was a rule and he broke it. Are they not supposed to punish (like that was punishment) them for disobeying? /QUOTE

Yes, I think we were all watching the same show. I don't think the writer of the review's issue was with Aaden and how he reacted to Jon, I think it was more that it was a stupid ass rule that recently trained kids will have a problem following. I'm sure Aaden didn't sit down knowing he was going to poop, he probably sat down, peed and here comes some poops and no time to change seats. This is as dumb ass as it comes. The critisism was for J&K, not for Aaden. It was for the rules, not the reaction. If they can climb up on the big potty to poop, then can pee up there too. At four, you can hold it for 5/10 minutes. 3 potties for 10 people isn't that bad. When my Aunt and Uncle divorced when I was a kid and we had their 3 kids at our house for like 6 months. There was 3 of them, three of us kids and 2 adults. 8 people, one bathroom, and I don't remember any problems, just having to hold it for a little bit (ages were 4-12 for all of us kids).

Anonymous said...

"I suspect that the reason they didn't take Jenny with them is that they have a TEN-passenger van. No room for any guests!)"

I believe that the 2004 Dodge Sprinter 2500 Passenger Van that they drive comes standard with seating for 12. And I doubt the Gosselins downsize anything.

Anonymous said...

I just checked out the Harris family on Discovery Health's website and I have to say, I'm excited about this show because if nothing else, it will show how truly lucky Jon and Kate are to be blessed with 8 healthy children. One of the Harris sextuplets has autism and attends a special school, 4 of the others are in a regular school but in a special-ed programs and only one is in regular school all day. I have one brother with autism and special needs and I can tell you, it's a challenge. I could not even imagine having 5 special needs children in one house, especially the same age!

Also, the Harris family only has 2 girls out of 7 children....the horror! LOL Could you imagine if Kate only had 2 girls?!?

Anonymous said...

Christa said "Kate was also clueless on how to remove staples from Jon's head. I can NOT believe she's a REAL NURSE."

I just thought I would weigh in on this, my best friend is an RN (with an associate's) and works in mother/infant (as Kate did, if I'm not mistaken). She has said numerous times that she is really good at what she has to do there, but she has lost a lot of the skills that she had during her other rotations. Plus, we have to factor in that Kate hasn't practiced in about 3 years. I think that has probably happened with Kate, when those things aren't in heavy use, you tend to forget them a little bit. I can't fault Kate for that.

Anonymous said...

I live just around the corner from the Byler Bunch. Their tups will be 1 in November. I am hoping they do a 1st birthday show. I met the mother at a friend's birthday party back in January and she was really nice. She didn't have the tups in tow, just her daughter Ava. Locally they were in the news at birth and when the last baby came home from the hosptial but no publicity since. Maybe they will opt for privacy.

Karen

bri said...

while I don't agree with children being taped extensively for reality TV, the Harris family would be awesome simply because they'd put J&K to SHAME. They are polite to each other, have a beautiful home without being OCD about it, say kind things about their children, and even have an optimistic and understanding view of autism as it pertains to their youngest. Thank God Kate didn't have any special needs kids- she couldn't handle it, at all. My daughter has special needs and you can't be a critical control freak if you're going to help your kid. I hope the Harrises are featured more often and that people start asking themselves why they pull it off so much better than J&K ever have.

Gretchen said...

I don't watch this show often as we don't have television at home; but the times I have seen it, your "report" sounds very similar to the dialog I would have been conducting in my mind....

I am missing the point of this show. Glad I'm not the only one.

Mit said...

EPISODE RECAP QUESTION:

There isn't one for Jon cooks Korean. Do we do one for every epi or just a few here and there?

Anonymous said...

I'm willing to cut Kate some slack on the whole "low sugar" issue. When my brother was younger (and even to this day, he's 18) his level of crankiness would exactly follow his level of hunger. If he started to get grouchy for no apparent reason, feed him a decent lunch and the problems went away. I do believe it's misleading for Kate to use the term "sugar" unless she knows that that is a medical condition Mady has, but I do think that it's pretty generally accepted that when children are hungry, they are more prone to meltdowns.

teach345 said...

Regarding the size of the van and Jenny meeting them there...One, the episode where they got their pics taken at Beth and Bob's their daughter had slept over the night before and were riding along in the van to her house. Two, I was a nanny for quite awhile and almost always volunteered to drive myself. There is one thing to be somewhere helping out and there is another to be stuck in the back of a mini van with 8 children squeezed in between carseats.

iluveeyore said...

For whatever reason (perhaps because the van is a re-fitted cargo truck), the Gosselin van seats 10 -- 2,3,2,3.

EPISODE RECAP QUESTION:

There isn't one for Jon cooks Korean. Do we do one for every epi or just a few here and there?

We have no rule about recaps. If someone chooses to write one that is acceptable, we will publish it.

Anonymous said...

The nanny was wise to drive her own car. There is no way I would want to ride in a closed van with potty chairs. She seems to enjoy the kids..memories!

Brigette Russell said...

Ah, yes, more "Kate is such a monstrous bitch" comments. Walk a mile in her shoes, I say. My kids are 7, 5, 3 and newborn and I'm telling you, if I had SIX like my 3-yr-old they'd have to put me in a mental institution. If Mrs. Gosselin gets stressed and overreacts to the small stuff at times, it's understandable.

ALANA said...

alana (NOT "anonymous", PLEEZ!) says:

Has anyone noticed the SIZE of those sippy cups?!!
No screaming horse s#*% why everyone's going potty 15,000 times a day - (a "kateism").

HELLLOOOO! By the time they're 21 those kids will have a predisposition for 30 ouncers or whatever the biggest size bottle of beer is!

And why is it that KON constantly complain about kids disobeying and breaking rules,i.e. "You tell her to do one thing and she does the opposite,(while child stomps off w/nose in air and smirk on face) "Not one more word...(so they whine and cry instead), "The level of noise in here is just UNBEARABLE! (followed by "JOOOONNNNN! Deal with YOUR children PLEEEEZ)."

As long as KON have such low expectations for their children's behavior they will reap what they sow. Communicate that they expect little or nothing and they will get little or nothing in return.

But in the Real World their peers and their bosses and their landlords and their loved ones will demand more of them. Those who fail to perform at a higher level of functioning will lose out bigtime; clueless as to why they're so unhappy, alone, unrewarded and bored/boring.
Just one big empty sippy cup, waiting for someone else to come along and "fill them up."

By shirking their resposibilities to their children, in not expecting from each other as loving partners that those eight kids are the MOST valuable treasures of their marriage, by not communicating to the kids in words AND actions, how important they are, KON fails. KON is a loser no matter how spotless the gratuitous Gymboree outfits, the number of free trips to the best spas, or the whitest teeth, the instant hair, even the imitation Hollywood ingenue highlighted hair.

Instant and deferred gratification run rampant in the Gosselin household; Kon enjoys the former, children suffer the latter. Chaos is the norm, the one thing the children can count on. Nothing stays the same like naptime, though, except in the case of a TLC trip. Chaos leads to drama when the cameras are turned on as KON and the kids prepare to give the viewing audience a little slice of their "real" lives.

"It may be an expensive life, but we got it for FREE now it's ARE life!!!"

FIONA said...

In regard to Mady and her "sugar" and why Kate does not ask Mady what is wrong....I don't think I have ever heard Kate ask her kids that question. Correct me if I am wrong....Frankly, Kate doesn't ask, because she doesn't want to know, she simply does not care.

Anonymous said...

Fiona said "Frankly, Kate doesn't ask, because she doesn't want to know, she simply does not care."

Or Kate knows her well enough to know that once Mady eats/has time to herself, etc. the problem will clear itself up. I think a lot of times with Mady, once she has some time to cool off things look a lot brighter. Like Kate she is really overly dramatic. Sometimes the thing to do for a kid like that is give them time away, or give them food and then they are fine. I think a lot of it is knowing your own kids dramatics, and knowing when it's an honest problem, or where it is a dramatic meltdown. I know my kid well enough to know that when the crying "I'm so sad" starts its nap time. I don't usually ask why, I just put her down for her nap. I would guess that she has had to deal with Mady enough that she knows where the causes for concern are and where the melt downs are drama.

Anonymous said...

I agree anon. 7:17. They can't explain everything in 22 minutes. I know my kid well enough to offer a snack instead of getting into a convoluted and increasingly upsetting conversation about what's wrong. After a little food, he and I can communicate!

George said...

Or Kate knows her well enough to know that once Mady eats/has time to herself, etc. the problem will clear itself up.
From what I've seen of the child and read, I don't believe that Kate knows that young girl at all. Her behavior seems as off now as when this series began. I think blaming her unhappiness as being due to a low blood sugar and giving her food will teach her to mollify herself with food instead of dealing with things. All I can see this accomplishing in the long run is a eating disorder.

Anonymous said...

George said "I don't believe that Kate knows that young girl at all."

In this particular episode Kate said that once Mady had food she would be better, and that is exactly what we saw. Mady upset and yelling, Mady eating, Mady smiling and running around with her siblings. We saw it also on Cara and Mady's birthday, Kate said she had learned that Mady just needed time alone to chill out after school and be alone before she wanted to rejoin the fray. After school they let her go into J/K's bedroom to cool off and be alone for a little while and then the moods clear up.

I think Mady is a dramatic child, and I think her parents do understand that. They have said numerous times that they have ways of accommodating her when those outbursts happen. I said above, I don't necessarily ask when meltdowns start happening. I know my daughter well enough to know what is precipitating the meltdown (hers are almost always because she is tired). Plus, she has a pattern, her outbursts are often the same and often in response to the same thing. I would venture a guess, though I can't see for sure from what I'm shown, that Jon and Kate understand Mady's dramatics and try to work with them. They don't have to ask every time she is upset.

Just as an aside, they have asked Mady what is wrong before during an outburst (during Color me Gosselin). Mady's problem was they had to do baby projects because they had so many babies with them. Kate explained to Mady that every family goes through that, and it has nothing to do with the size of the family--you have to accommodate the little ones. So they don't ignore Mady all the time. Again, I think it is a case of the parent knowing when there needs to be cause for concern, and knowing well enough when the kid just needs to eat.

Katie said...

George said: I think blaming her unhappiness as being due to a low blood sugar and giving her food will teach her to mollify herself with food instead of dealing with things. All I can see this accomplishing in the long run is a eating disorder.

Maybe, if food was the only way they were dealing with it. They also let her have time alone (not time outs or punishment, but special time alone). I was a lot like Mady as a child, and the biggest thing my parents ever did for me was to give me the time I needed to just cool off and let the situation kind of diffuse. I still do this as an adult, when things get heated I step back and calm down. I think it really does come down to knowing Mady and knowing what she needs. If she is melting down and it is around lunchtime, food will probably have an effect. If it's after school and Mady melts down, she probably needs alone time. I often think they know Mady better than a lot of people give them credit for. She is basically Kate, after all.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I dont think Jon scared Aaden, he actually said to Aaden "i dont care" he just wanted him to fess up, and imo he didnt look fearful he looked guilty and embarrassed.

I agree. I don't think he looked fearful, he DID look embarrassed. Maybe because his dad was asking him to fess up to his bathroom doings while there is a CAMERA in his face?

Anonymous said...

The use of potties in the house is ridiculous. There are three toilets in the house - what are the odds that all eight children will have to use a bathroom at exactly the same moment -- and are unable to wait for five minutes until one is free? I wonder if Kate and Jon don't let the kids use the bathroom off the master bedroom? I still think 2 toilets would be enough.

Maybe the kids are used to the no-wait rule - since they never have to wait in line at amusement parks or any other of the freebies they are receiving :-)

Stacey said...

So Im guessing they are still driving around with potty's in the back of the van, because at the very end when it is taking "45 mins" to get in the van due to changing clothes and potty breaks kate is standing by the van and says "Leah, do you want to get in and go potty?"
Is that normal to have pottys in your car??

FIONA said...

I would guess that she has had to deal with Mady enough that she knows where the causes for concern are and where the melt downs are drama.

July 31, 2008 7:17 PM



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My guess in NOT! My guess is when a child tells you everyday that this is the worst day of her life, and her wonky mother announces to the world such a thing, that the mother has not a clue as to handle her child, nor the sensitivity in which to do it....just my silly ole opinion tho.

FIONA said...

Just as an aside, they have asked Mady what is wrong before during an outburst (during Color me Gosselin). Mady's problem was they had to do baby projects because they had so many babies with them. Kate explained to Mady that every family goes through that, and it has nothing to do with the size of the family--you have to accommodate the little ones. So they don't ignore Mady all the time.


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NO ONE asked Mady what was wrong. She was frustrated that her mother wouldn't let her use markers. That would upset me too as a kid of 7-at the Crayola Factory, if I couldn't use all the age appropriate stuff that the place had to offer. It was the tups that were to young for the experience. And the twins shouldn't have to be the ones to always dumb down. The little kids will also have to learn that Mady and Cara can do certain things just because they are older....of course that means Kate would have to take TIME to TEACH, instead of her usual freak outs. So in the end, all the kids lose.

Also, you dealing with your child and meltdowns can't be fairly compared to Mady Gosselin at all. They are both children, but it stops there. I am not trying to be a B***H....

FIONA said...

She is basically Kate, after all.

August 1, 2008 3:43 AM
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What an insult to Mady, and an unfair compliment to Kate. Mady is an awesome kid who was born into the wrong family.

Anonymous said...

Fiona, I just have a couple of things in response, I'll work backards (lol).

I do think Mady and Kate have similar personalties, Jon said in this last episode (and has in the past also) "Mady is you." I don't think it is an insult, she is a dramatic, funny, smart girl. I think Kate is those things too, but I think she handles herself very badly as an adult and she is making mistakes. I think she needs some counseling, needs to modify the way her home life is conducted, but I don't think she is the devil incarnate.

Whether my child and Mady compare isn't really the issue. The issue is does a mother understand what motivates an outburst? As I said, in the twin's birthday episode Mady came home, kicked a balloon, and Kate let her go into her own bedroom and cool down. Mady wasn't yelled at for such an outburst (if I had done that growing up I certainly would have been), wasn't sent to time out, was allowed to do what she needed to do: cool off. Here she ate and was then shown enjoying the rest of the afternoon. As to the worst day of her life every day? Again, I think Mady has problems but she is also a very dramatic child, and like Kate is prone to exaggeration.

I'm sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention to attack you if that was what you thought. And to be entirely honest, there is no need to attack me for having a differing opinion. I just thought there was room for discussion (maybe I was wrong). I know that if cameras were on me people might say that same thing (why doesn't she ask what is wrong?). I also know my own child. I can't say for sure Kate does, but in my (admittedly limited) viewing it seems possible that she does at least *somewhat* understand.

Anonymous said...

As to the worst day of her life every day? Again, I think Mady has problems but she is also a very dramatic child, and like Kate is prone to exaggeration.
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I agree. Kate is the one who said Mady complains its the worst day of her life every day. I'm thinking that statement is an exaggeration itself, coming from Kate's mouth.

Anonymous said...

"The use of potties in the house is ridiculous. There are three toilets in the house - what are the odds that all eight children will have to use a bathroom at exactly the same moment -- and are unable to wait for five minutes until one is free? I wonder if Kate and Jon don't let the kids use the bathroom off the master bedroom? I still think 2 toilets would be enough."

I have 2 kids using the bathroom and it seems when one has to go, they both have to go. I can understand the need for backup potties during the first year or so. It is hard for newly "trained" kids to hold it that long. They usually wait until the last second to go. With six kids learning at about the same time (I know the girls had a good head start) it might be a necessity.

Anonymous said...

I think I understand a very little bit of Kate's neurosis, particularly as it applies to keeping the kids' clothes clean. The amount of laundry she has to do every week just to keep up is pretty staggering. If you add in the process of stain removal for 8 separate children, it would increase her already very heavy load, pardon the pun, lol. I have two kids (3 years, and 4 months), and am constantly removing stains and doing laundry for my daughter who is potty-training and spills food on herself from time to time, and my son, who has spit-up and poop blowouts galore. Lord help me if I had to multiply that by 4!

We also play in our driveway more than the backyard. My daughter loves to ride her trike and do sidewalk chalk, and other things that we keep in the garage. Plus, it's shaded, where our backyard is not.

I think a lot of people are reading way too much into things portrayed on the show. Sure, neither Jon nor Kate are perfect, but I'm not, either. I sometimes (or more often!) talk to my husband in ways I shouldn't, and make mistakes in dealing with my children that I wish I could take back, but that's just how life goes. There's also the simple matter of editing. Why don't we see some things, or more of others? Because that's what the producers chose to include or leave out. And guess what? They will always include the most dramatic scenes, as it makes for more interesting viewing. If you watched my days from beginning to end, you'd be bored stiff, but if you condense it down to a neat 28-minute episode, it becomes a lot more dramatic and interesting. Just take a sharp exchange between the parents, a random meltdown of a child, toss in a few tender moments, and there you go!

In my experience, the truth lies somewhere in the middle on any given dispute, and none of us have any way of knowing the whole story behind all of these accusations that are leveled at the Gosselins. If everyone would agree to take a step back and a deep breath, our world would be a much nicer place.

Oh, and I'm not putting my daughter in pre-school, either. Does that make me a bad parent, too?

Anonymous said...

"Too much blapping from J&K."
I don't think you're qualified to mock Kate for her language use when you use the word "blapping."

FIONA said...

Not putting your child in pre-school doesn't have anything to do with being a good/bad parent.

I think the reason it keeps coming up, is because Kate has brought it up on several occasions. I think the tups would definitly benefit from preschool for a variety of reasons.

On the other hand, I know that many moms and dads can socialize and get their children ready developmentally without preschool.


Only you know if you are a bad parent...or not, like Kate....

Anonymous said...

The recap made me laugh a lot. Out loud even.
I agree that Kate's "TWO HOURS to CHANGE THEM" is a completely ridiculous exaggeration. With 3 adults helping, and the twins being able to change themselves that's 2 tups per adult...she's saying it takes one full hour to change one child? Give me a break! I nanny infant triplets and even with diapers can change all 3 of them into swim suits in 10 minutes or less. Yet it takes Kate 2 hours to change 2 tots...what is your problem, lady?! Or maybe that
is just how long it took her to order Jon to change them all while she criticized everything about the way he did it. Oy!

K.C. said...

"Oh, and I'm not putting my daughter in pre-school, either. Does that make me a bad parent, too?"

It depends, are you televising her baths, potty breaks and 'melt-downs'? Are you keeping her out of preschool because it would make her less available for filming, possibly lower your show's ratings and decrease your income? If so, yes.

Preschool is a wonderful way to prepare children for kindergarten. There are also very valuable social lessons to be learned in preschool. The Gosselin children could benefit from both of these, especially since they are behind developmentally and their experience with other children, (not related to them), has been limited, (if any).
Personally, I see no reason to keep children out of preschool. I know how expensive it can be. My daughter's private pre-school cost over $1,200/mo. but I feel it was worth every penny.

Anonymous said...

Having little potty's around the first year of potty-training is acceptable. Having little potty's around with pre-schoolers is weird and gross. 4 years old is a good time to start teaching PRIVACY so that when they start Kindergarten next year they won't be willing to show off private parts, or get in trouble for pooping outside or wherever. They are too old to be treated like babies. J & K need to teach them about real life to prepare them for their futures...otherwise they have FAILED as parents.

Anonymous said...

Was this recap edited from it's original version? I seem to remember reading something about Granny Panties originally.... lol

Anonymous said...

I saw that they added Jenny as a helper. We'll see how that goes.
Anyone else remember when she was interviewing young girls as helpers? (with the help of a nanny agency, I think)
My husband and I looked at one another when we saw the pretty young blonde girl, who looked like a model. We both said "Nope, she won't be hired!" LOL

Anonymous said...

Having potties around at this stage seems ridiculous. Although I haven't had 8 kids, I had kids and now grandkids.
When training, I can see having a potty upstairs or downstairs...whichever seems necessary in addition to the bathrooms.
But now they are 4. Everyone should be encouraged to go to the bathroom on a regular basis, before it's an emergency. I think with a couple/several bathrooms, it should work out.
Potties in the vehicle??I have NEVER heard of such a thing! Seems terrible to me!

Serena said...

Was this recap edited from it's original version? I seem to remember reading something about Granny Panties originally.... lol

Nope, we were able to publish two recaps of this episode from two different authors. The "granny panties" reference appeared in the the other recap.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

I just want to make a comment on the potty issue. This is my own personal experience, and I haven't seen all of the episodes that everyone is talking about.

Easter 2007, I spent at J&K's house. We had dinner together along with Jodi and her family and one of Kate's sisters and her family. They set up all of the food and tables in the garage. There was plenty of room for everyone and we enjoyed the dinner with Kevin's side of the family.

One thing struck me as odd. They had a potty in the garage. I think at that time, only the little girls were potty trained. There was no privacy. The little girls would use the potty and I didn't see them use anything to wash their hands. OK, so there were 8 adults in the garage to help supervise all of the kids. If you walk into the kitchen from the garage, the bathroom is just down the hall.

Now this is my own opinion, but it seemed like laziness to me. Why would you have your kids use a potty out in the open where everyone was eating? Why would you encourage your kids to use the bathroom out in the open for everyone to see? I don't see any other reason for this, except that neither of them wanted to take them inside.

Anonymous said...

"Are you keeping her out of preschool because it would make her less available for filming, possibly lower your show's ratings and decrease your income?"

I see this sentiment often and it kind of bothers me. Kate has mentioned before they DO plan on sending the tups to preschool, the same one the twins went to. Of course, that won't happen if they move to NC, but it does show the intent to send them

I live in PA and the preschools around here take children who are 3 in September. Since the tups birthday is in May, that means they wouldn't be able to start until this year. Just FYI...

Anonymous said...

Wasn't there an episode (I think the one with Beth helping her organize) where she said she wanted to get everything organized because she was going to start the pre-schooling the tups at home?

Anonymous said...

I don't really post over here, but today I decided to read the blog. WOW...you all have Jon & Kate nailed down.

I don't dislike them either. I dislike what they are doing to their children - barking one word orders at them vs. speaking nicely to them. I hate it when they get sent to the corner for "misbehaving" when they just really didn't have something explained properly and they got upset.

I think the whole laundry thing is just absurd. She's got two washing machines! That's more than most people have in their own homes, right? And like I said on the other blogs, if there are stains, SO WHAT!!!!! Put stain remover on them, toss them in the washer to soak overnight, and run them through when you get up in the morning! To deny these kids the use of markers, or to not let them play in the grass or in a sandbox is really, really PATHETIC!

I also don't like it when they mimick their children either - Joel's lisp, Mady's outbursts. That's not right. Mady needs professional help. If I had a child who stated that every day is the worse day of her life, I would be a LOT MORE concerned than Jon & Kate appear to be about it.

The whole thing with potty chairs all over the house, outside, in the car. That's just gross! And for somebody who claims to be a "germophobe," I can't believe she allows that. And you never see any of them washing their hands either. That's particularly disgusting since they use the potty chair and then go sit down to eat, often times, with their hands. WOuld you want to eat with your hands after you had just had them in your privates? I don't think so!

The whole pottery painting and birthday cupcake thing was really sad. Kate turned the pottery painting into a show about what SHE wanted and not what fun it was for the kids. I don't even know what to say anymore about the emotional abuse they put on those kids - i.e., not being able to eat your cupcake that you spent a day out at some place decorating yourself! CRUEL AND UNUSUAL!!!

I could go on and on. Bottom line is I feel sorry for Kate because she is obviously in way over her head and can't admit it.

I feel sorry for Jon because he is so beaten down emotionally that he can't do anything right in her eyes, so he just stands back.

I feel sorry for Mady because she is obviously disturbed and they won't seek the professional counseling that the kid so desperately needs.

I feel sorry for Cara. They always point out that Cara is reserved and tends to stay in teh background. There's another cry for help! That's not normal!

I feel sorry for the six because they have to play in the garage, then get in trouble for knocking somebody over and making them cry. There's not enough room in teh garage for six little kids, all their crap, and a throne for Queen Kate to sit on out there.

They need to be able to get our and run around. Look at how much fun the boys had with Jon at the golf course. They were EXHAUSTED because they got to run around outside. THat's what kids are supposed to be able to do, isn't it?

Same thing with the Sesame Street thing. They were outside in the fresh air. They got to move around and do things. That tired them out, so of course they're going to fall asleep as soon as the car starts moving.

I feel sorry for the six with their fine motor skills because they don't know how to use a pair of kiddie scissors and they can only "color" with an ink stamp.

If there are people out there who don't see anything wrong with this, I feel sorry for you, too.

I wish Jon and Kate would use statements like "you need to...or else this will be the consequence" statements instead of just BARKING "GET DRESSED" "SIT DOWN," "EAT" "STOP" "GET OUT"

Those kids need to be taught to use their "inside voices," but how can they when all they hear is the yelling? Sure there's eight children and it will be loud at times, but if they were taught to use their "inside voices," it might just not be so chaotic. I know it's probably very stressful to have to deal with eight small children, but if they were a little more patient and took the time to speak to them the way they should be spoken to, it would really make a HUGE difference in all their lives.

I REALLY REALLY REALLY HATE that they use the corner for unfair discipline like meltdowns at the dinner table, or being upset because you didn't understand a certain situation.

Like I said, I could sit here for hours and hours and tell you all the things I feel bad about for this family. Suffice it to say, Jon & Kate Gosselin will be very sorry some day for what they've done and haven't done with their children.

iluveeyore said...

"I live in PA and the preschools around here take children who are 3 in September. Since the tups birthday is in May, that means they wouldn't be able to start until this year. Just FYI..."

The tups were 3 in May 2007. They could have started preschool in September 2007. However, they might have to be potty trained when they start -- and the boys were not yet trained.

micki said...

I think the woman is nuts. The first time she barked orders at me would have been her last. Jon is nuts too for putting up with her, but I guess he doesn't have to do too much but worry about how he looks, which personally doesn't do much for me.

iluveeyore said...

Truth: I don't think the potty in the garage indicated laziness. I think it showed a total disrespect for anybody who was eating in the garage. Utterly GROSS.

They are keeping those kids as babies and they don't really care about anybody else. Remember... Kate doesn't notice other people.

sistah2 said...

I think the whole laundry thing is just absurd. She's got two washing machines! That's more than most people have in their own homes, right? And like I said on the other blogs, if there are stains, SO WHAT!!!!! Put stain remover on them, toss them in the washer to soak overnight, and run them through when you get up in the morning! To deny these kids the use of markers, or to not let them play in the grass or in a sandbox is really, really PATHETIC!
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ITA!! Also, this whole laundry fetish makes no sense. Kate has someone handling the laundry -she does not have to do it, so why worry? Plus, all the clothes are donated to them, and are plentiful. ITs not like Kon spent lots of $$ on them and they need to get the wear out of them. If a shirt is stained and can't be worn again, no biggie! Run out to the garage to the boxes and boxes of clothes and grab another one ! and another one! (Julie alluded to this in her blog - that is where all the shipments of free clothes are kept). It is crazy. Really, Kate just believes material things like stupid childrens clothes are the most important thing in the world. Hey, no one cares if the kids have a stain on the clothes. Why don't they put more care into what people REALLY see - the horrible way they are bringing up their children? If Kon put as much care & concern on that subject (what is reality TV doing to them? etc. ) as they do the outfits - wow, what a good change we'd see.

ALANA said...

"Mady/Maddy needs professional help..."

"Kate needs professional help..."

I think most of us agree that this whole family needs professional help...

However, I believe that the reason KON doesn't get professional help is this:

Any "professional" worth his/her $175.-$250. per 50 minute session would tell KON to immediately dump the show!

I think TLC knows the financial disaster it would face if anyone with half a brain suggested they get professional help.

It's a type of collusion between KON and TLC to continue this farce; they're enmeshed in a relationship that provides financial support for both of them.

Although Jon is not the "college graduate" of the two, he seems to me to have had more life experience than Kate, if for no other reason than she turns a blind eye to any experience or situation that might be the slightest bit uncomfortable or doesn't reward her in some way.

Somewhere in Jon's brain-housing,I think he is aware of the psychological damage being done to EVERY member of his family but the price is literally too high to DO something about it.

Like he said last Sunday when speaking at the "Parents of Twins" conference, "I could never leave my wife and she could never leave me because we'd both be broke."! (What a guy...)

alana

Barbara said...

Alana said that at the Twins meeting Jon said "I could never leave my wife and she could never leave me because we'd both be broke". To me that just says they have both thought about it already. They have created their own monster and see no way out.

I don't have nearly the soft heart for Mady that so many have. She has a different personality and needs a firm hand. I know whereof I speak, I have a son who was a challenge and by taking the easier route in disciplining him, we have paid dearly. She needs strict and consistent discipline. I'm not saying she doesn't have it tough with 6 little siblings, but she is the only one who acts out the horrible way she does. "You reap what you sow" is really a true saying.

Anonymous said...

"The tups were 3 in May 2007. They could have started preschool in September 2007. However, they might have to be potty trained when they start -- and the boys were not yet trained."

Oops! You're right...I was doing the math wrong because I have a son that age, and another son with the same birthday time so I mixed them together. Sorry! (insert sheepish smilie face here)

Or perhaps in the spirit of Kate...I should dispute the tups birthday, and deny the fact I made that post or cry that I'm exhausted from having 5 kids and no one helps me.

Anonymous said...

"I don't have nearly the soft heart for Mady that so many have. She has a different personality and needs a firm hand. I know whereof I speak, I have a son who was a challenge and by taking the easier route in disciplining him, we have paid dearly. She needs strict and consistent discipline."

Funny how we all see things so differently. I have a son who displays behaviors similar to Mady, and a firm hand would have been the worst thing I could have done to him. He does, and continues to do, amazingly well with extra positive attention, lots of creative expression, physical outlets, and other loving approaches. I am sure these are the things Mady is needing right as well.

Anonymous said...

I apologize if this has already been addressed, but what happened to the August 11 episode titled "Looking for Property"? It looks like it has been replaced with an episode called "Wild Horses".

I'm not familiar with how scheduling works. Is it normal to shuffle things around? Or has all the bad press gotten to TLC, and they have decided not to show J&K buying their McMansion?

Also, I've been looking for a re-run of the gum-gate episode (because I've never seen it) and just can't seem to find it. Hmmmm.....

Anonymous said...

In response to:
"I'm not familiar with how scheduling works. Is it normal to shuffle things around? Or has all the bad press gotten to TLC, and they have decided not to show J&K buying their McMansion?"

I am not familiar with how scheduling works either but I recall TLC pulling a 'creative scheduling change' when it came to the Hair Transplant episode. There was alot of negative buzz on the internet when the original Hair Transplant episode air date was announced. The original air date was changed, and I also recall the episode title being changed as well. If in fact there has been a scheduling change to the 'Buying Properties' episode it has been done so in an attempt at damage control. More than likely as a result of the National Enquirer article and the more recent negative press.

Anonymous said...

"Also, I've been looking for a re-run of the gum-gate episode (because I've never seen it) and just can't seem to find it. Hmmmm....."

The infanmous Gumgagte incident can be found on the episode featuring Mady's Day Out. It has rerun a time or two.

"I'm not familiar with how scheduling works. Is it normal to shuffle things around? Or has all the bad press gotten to TLC, and they have decided not to show J&K buying their McMansion?"

Actually TLC has taken great liberty with moving episodes around for quite awhile. In season two, there was an episode where they went to the zoo which was advertised, pulled, and reshown quite a bit later than orignally scheduled. When I used to get the TLC show reminders, I would often get an email that the episode was no longer scheduled to be shown at that time.

K.C. said...

Anon 7:00, I believe gum-gate happens in the 'Mady's Day' episode.

Anonymous said...

'The infanmous Gumgagte incident can be found on the episode featuring Mady's Day Out. It has rerun a time or two.'

'I believe gum-gate happens in the 'Mady's Day' episode.'

Thank you! I finally found it airing August 13. That is, if they don't change the schedule...

Barbara said...

I did not mean to say that by being very involved in your child's life, by creating outlets for him and just by loving him and being very involved in his needs would not be a good thing. I speak from the other side of raising kids. My children are grown and thankfully my son grew up and is happy and past the problems. I have nothing but praise for the young mothers today who are raising their children in a very different world than when I was raising mine. And I was speaking of the problems that came about by ignoring and being much to soft on discipline when it was necessary. Unfortunatley, we all reach a time when those children grow up and make their own decisions and we don't have as much input as we once did. I only see hard times, mostly for Mady, but also for Jon and Kate, because make no mistake, when your kids are in trouble, the parents hurt and hurt bad. When I see her walk in the house and kick at a balloon for her own party and stomp off down the hall I just cringe, because this behavior of a child, what will it be when she is a teenager?