Episode Recap: Gosselins Go Dutch - 10/15/2007

Written by Dew:

On this episode of Jon and Kate Plus 8! More screaming, crying, shrieking, and overall unhappiness as the kids are dragged to yet another planned production event, some small-time, yet admittedly adorable, amusement park called Dutch Wonderland. Credits! What's funny is until now for some reason I never, ever noticed one of the tups crashing into the wall while Kate changes Collin's diaper. Ha. I think I was always too distracted by the idea that they felt it necessary to film Collin's diaper being changed and, moreover, stick it in the credits so we can relive that particular dump of Collin's every single week, to notice another kid crashing into the wall. Well, at least Collin wasn't constipated that time.

Jon has apparently finally got fed up with Kate calling him a big tub of lard on national TV every week, so he set up an elliptical machine in the basement. This looks to be a whole separate section from the children's basement playroom. And it's a pretty big room, with ample space for storage. Most East Coast basements are pretty big, and will sometimes almost double your square footage, even though I don't think it tends to count in computing square footage. But it should, because farther west, where they don't build basements, you have to use every available closet and corner in your house for storage or sacrifice your garage or just throw things out. So basements are really nice actually. Anyway... in addition to making Kate's coffee and getting the children up, dressed, fed, and off to school every day, Fatty here also now exercises for one to two hours beforehand. Then goes off to work. He really doesn't pull his weight in the family at all, does he? Jon is reading You: On a Diet by Dr. Oz. That's nice. He is also reading You: On a Gravy Train, by Kate and Jon and maybe by Beth Carson (if they are still speaking to her). Jon makes excuses for why his exercising has been sporadic... he got sick one week and so on. Kate laughs hysterically. I'll give her that; it's always funny the explanations people have for not exercising. I'm guilty, too. For instance, if I also have to run my dishwasher that night, or feed my dog, I won't exercise. How often does Kate exercise, out of curiosity? I suppose she might not need to since she can always get another tummy tuck if things get out of hand. I wonder if she still sees Doctor and Mrs. Tummytuck every year like they planned, or if they're estranged now, too.

Dutch Wonderland is a park pretty much for little kids, Jon and Kate explain. But they're dragging along Mady and Cara too because it's Jon and Kate Plus EIGHT. Kate says it was on her list of things to do this summer -- after reminding Jon he is fat and before buying Collin some laxatives. Jon isn't worried about the high calorie park food because he can easily just get a salad. I wonder if he has ever heard that depending on what you dump on your salad, including dressing, bacon bits, eggs, things like that, salads can be just as bad as a Big Mac. Kate seems okay with the idea though. I'm surprised she isn't practically wheezing about the food she and the kids will all have to eat, because I don't think the Dutch care very much about organic. Cheese, maybe.

Aaden likes to pretend he is different animals. Today he's a lion. A lion that I hope mistakes Kate for Roy and bites her. Aww, he's so adorable. More Aaden please. Less of his stupid parents. Some obsessed fan named Em Tanner, with her stay-at-home clothing business, spent I don't want to know how many hours making this family "numbered t-shirts." They're cute, but I think it's creepy how much useless fonted junk this lady sends them for free. Since like, day one, she's been dressing these kids in her stuff and making them things like calendars and notepads. Maybe business is booming for her from the exposure, but I still think her fonts are really stupid. So does Jon, who refuses to wear his "Daddy" t-shirt. Heh. Another thing -- Cara is "1" and Mady is "2." I realize what's-her-name is trying to do birth order here, but I sort of have a problem with that, especially since Mady has so many "issues." More on that later. I don't like how everyone seems to love to rub it in that Mady is second, after Cara. They're twins, they were born minutes apart, who cares. I can't believe they got Mady to even put on this shirt. Give the child another six months and she will realize that no one can make her wear crap like that. So she won't. And it will be awesome to see that go down. Oh, big surprise here, Kate specifically requested that what's-her-face number them in birth order. Kate explains why they need these shirts. She thinks it will be helpful to round the kids up on the playground if they're numbered. I'm not sure I follow. Why does it matter who is who as long as you are rounding eight bodies up? But Kate shouldn't need to worry since, first of all, they don't visit playgrounds where other icky children their age are and, second, the nanny will be in charge of that anyway. Kate won't wear hers if Jon won't wear his. Hmm, that's the first and probably last time Kate will ever follow Jon's lead, so take it all in.

For some reason they start talking about how they're planning a big trip to Florida soon. I'm confused. I thought this episode was about going to Dutch Wonderland. What is the connection? Well, I guess the connection is, let's talk about free trips we're getting. Anyway, Kate has made a little countdown board for Florida where the twins tear off a number each day. They're counting down the days until Mickey Mouse. I'm counting down the days until this show is cancelled.

Back to discussing the matter at hand, Dutch Wonderland. Jon and Kate are fighting over, of all things, what Cara is going to wear on her feet. Kate wants her to wear what I assume must be buckled sandals, but Cara wants to wear thong flip flops. Typical dad, Jon says let her wear whatever. Kate has a really good point, honestly. A child that young cannot think ahead about things like how much their feet might hurt all day in those, and how thongs might easily fall off on rides. Dads don't usually think about that either, which is fine, that's what moms are for. I predict Cara will get her way though, because it's Cara. After a lot of stupid fighting, with Jon and Kate even going off camera to fight some more, while Cara cries and throws a fit and lives up to her perfect twin reputation, Cara gets her way. Of course. Of course. Part of me thinks, fine let Cara wear what she wants and suffer the consequences of sore feet or lost shoes. But Cara is six and needs to learn to obey and not throw fits. When she gets away with this shit, she knows she won’t have to listen next time either, or at least just needs to cry and she'll get her way. And the cycle of Cara pretty much getting away with murder week after week continues. Mady will try the same exact crying and throwing a fit technique later today, and she will come up with nothing. Sigh. Mady says, "No fair!" I know, totally, Mady.

Kate says she tries to "minimize our battles for later during the day when there's nothing we can do about it." What in the heck does that mean? She likes to save up all her battles for the end of the day? Like you might save your cookies for last? "When there's nothing we can do about it" Huh? What about time outs, discipline? What does this lady even mean? I think Kate is like, half drunk right now. "Bye, bye, bye, bye!" the kids say as they drive away. Who are they saying bye to, the camera crew? Maybe they don't realize they're coming along too. When have these kids gone anywhere that costs more than ten bucks without the camera crew? They are not all that bright. I think they are a little too young to be astute enough to "hint" to the camera crew not to come along on their fun outing by telling them "bye!", but I suppose anything is possible. Coming up, "Jon, help us!" Haha, this is probably gonna be good.

They stick the kids on a couple of rides, and they all really seem to like it. Then they get on something called the Turtle Whirl, which is your standard small-time amusement park ride with sort of rounded half pods that spin around and around in a tight circle, while traveling along in a bigger circle that's hilly. I've been on this ride many times; it is definitely much scarier than it looks. It feels like you're literally going to spin right off the tracks. Also, it's usually all creaky and old sounding, I think on purpose, to add to the fear. And they buckle you in so tight it feels like your ovaries are bruised afterwards. It is frequently underestimated -- probably since there is no height involved. And people always bring on little kids thinking no height, no problem. Oops. Mady doesn't want to ride on anything. Good for her, she shouldn't have to. This park is for little kids and she got dragged along on a production event clearly against her will. If Mady knew at her tender age to stick up her middle finger, I bet she would. Kate says she has "drama" and "issues." I bet Kate thinks it's because she has seven brothers and sisters, but I think it's because Kate is her mother. Oh, and because her drama and issues are being filmed -- daily. Kate barks at Jon to put his cell phone away, now is not the time for phone calls. Okay, but he wasn't holding it like he was ringing up his Fuzzy Bunny or something. He was holding it away from himself like he was taking a picture with his camera. What's the problem with that? The kids are kind of scared of the Turtle Whirl, not surprisingly to me. Kate claims Hannie is white as a sheet and about to throw up. Yikes. Kate tries to cover her mouth. Won't that just make her aspirate her own vomit though? That doesn't seem like a good idea, coming from a nurse. But a lot of stuff Kate does is stuff you wouldn't think a nurse would do. Jon tries to make the best of it with words like "Whee!" which never work. But Kate just frightens the kids more by shouting over and over, each time she comes around, "Jon, help us!" Ha! What does she want him to do? Jump out of his car and into hers? Pitch his cell phone at the lever and stop the ride? It's just so ridiculously funny that she thinks it's at all helpful to cry out for him. I just love how the ride operators flat out ignore her cries for help and keep the ride going until the bitter end. Other people may kiss her butt and bend over backwards for her, but not these Dutch Wonderland ride operators. Go Dutch! Kate asks the kids if they want to do it again. Which leads me to believe they probably got to cut all the lines and could just go on a ride two or three or four times in a row if they wanted to. Yet another thing the children will have no idea exist or how to deal with it -- lines. I predict their future adulthood, where sooner or later they must wait in line at Bank of America, could be very violent. Kate worriedly thinks her Hannie looks pale and not so hot. Hannah is kind of staring forward blankly. That is how she normally looks to me anyway, so I'm not that concerned. Commercials.

We're back, and Kate and Jon are each pushing a triple wide stroller up a hill. Why can't the kids walk a little bit, at least up the hills? And wow, a triple wide stroller. That's not impractical at all. Kate says the first trip to the bathroom was "a waste." Was that a pun? Nah, it's Kate, who's really not all that clever, so I don't think so. The reason it was a waste was because they didn't have their potty seats they are used to sitting on. I'm so confused. So they didn't go because of that? I mean at some point these children will need to realize that not every toilet in America will have their own potty seat on it, and they'll need to just go anyway. I get the feeling they've used toilets at their own house, and maybe at Aunt Jodi's, and that's about it. The kids are also afraid of the automatic flusher?! That's just sad. That's like being afraid of sunlight, or trees. These bubble boys and girls truly need to get out more, interact with the real world, with flushers, sunlight and trees. They remind me of really under-socialized puppies, who are bound to snap and bite a small child eventually and then they'll have to be put down really gruesomely. Doesn't Dutch Wonderland have hand soap in their bathrooms? It looks like a nice enough park. Instead Kate slathers their hands with a bottle of hand sanitizer. And I won't get into the extensive debate on the benefits and drawbacks of hand sanitizer, or speculate about whether Kate has read up on any of that, or even reads at all, other than reading her own passive aggressive notes/orders. Jon says he has to go to the bathroom too, and Kate throws a fit, shaking her head, making faces, and being completely immature. "Do you really have to go?" she demands. No, Kate, he's just saying that to be a pain in the ass. Kate very reluctantly allows Jon to relieve himself, pouting and shaking her head the whole time. I really want Jon to tell her sometime she can't go to the bathroom and see what happens. I have a sick mind, I know. Kate orders the little kids to sit in their strollers or they'll get lost. Lost? They're just standing there, right beside their strollers, patiently waiting. Why must they sit? For some reason I keep hearing that Rodgers and Hammerstein song "I'll Never Grow Up" playing in my head. And honestly, how hard would it be to lose a mother as loud and boisterous as Kate, and the camera crew that follows her along? Plus they're in their Em Tanner shirts and someone will just shout, "Five is over here!" if Five gets lost. I don't think this should really be a major concern for them. When Jon returns, Kate tells him his potty break was too quick and he couldn't possibly have washed his hands. Well, but Jon didn't need a special potty seat to go. And men can go a lot faster, Kate, in case you haven't heard. It's just unzip and go, you're done. Plus Kate was the one telling him he couldn't go in the first place, so he was probably hurrying to please her. Besides, there's so much hand sanitizer being squirted around I don't know if Jon even needs to bother to wash since the rest of the family couldn't possibly catch anything from him anyway.

They get on this stupid truck ride and Mady still doesn't want to join in. Kate and Jon insist she must get on, because there is no one to watch her if she doesn't ride. But Mady didn't ride the Turtle Whirl, and Kate and Jon were both on that. Weird. Mady starts crying. Poor kid, she doesn't wanna go. Leave her alone. Kate "can't quite put her finger on why Mady is being so difficult lately," as Kate sits on the couch and interviews for the family's television show, broadcast to millions on Monday nights. Hmm, hmmm, I too so wonder what on earth could be troubling Mady. What oh what could it be? Perhaps she has a little rash, or she's worried about peace in the Middle East. Kate explains that it wasn't even a "ride," it was just going around in a circle, so Mady didn't have anything to stomp her foot about. But Mady's issues have absolutely nothing to do with the rides themselves; I think that's obvious to anyone with a borderline functional understanding of one percent of what makes up the field of child psychology. Like, if you've ever read a hundred-word article online about how children's brains work, you would know that. But Kate can't even begin to grasp the situation here, and it's incredibly sad. They drag Mady on kicking and screaming. Kate once again decides how her children feel, and informs Jon and us that Mady just loves this. I would like to hear that from Mady herself, but I guess we're supposed to just trust Kate. The kids get to milk this plastic cow with rubber udders. And I don't mean for cash. For actual milk. Uh oh, but just like a real cow, the plastic cow only has four udders and there's six kids! How will they do this? The kids are starting to lose it since they can't figure it out either. But Jon and Kate insist they aren't gonna go home now, they must take in as much as they can, as it is a free trip and they don't know when they will be able to come back for free again. So they plod on through. Leah is licking her hands like she's got pica for hand sanitizer. She makes me wonder if it tastes good or something. Kind of how like glue tasted good, sort of, as a kid. But I won't buy hand sanitizer to find out since I've read the research on it. Jon roughly grabs her shoulder and tells her to stop. She does it again, and there's this weird cut between a shot of Kate lunging at her as if about to strike her, and then a sudden cut to Leah screaming. It is incredibly obvious that Leah got her arm slapped, as she is clutching it, looking shocked, and shrieking. I'm not gonna say anything, other than it's obvious that's what occurred. If Kate just let them use Dutch soap, this never would have happened.

When we return, it's going downhill faster than Kate and Jon can estrange the rest of their family members and friends. It's lunchtime, and the kids are eating a bunch of junk in the cafeteria. I am really happy for them actually. Nothing spoils a fun day at the amusement park then your mother packing a bunch of organic health food and making you eat that instead of a hot dog. Jon, like he promised, has a salad. I find it kind of odd that Kate sits at a table with a few of the kids (Hannah included of course), and Jon at another table with the rest. They couldn't push two tables together? Maybe that would have exhausted Kate. After lunch, the kids get on this green spiral slide that they love. Jon wants to build one for the backyard. So they do use the backyard. But who does he think he is, Matt Roloff? Anyway, I doubt very much he will ever get to build anything this cool at their house, since Kate will put a stop to it. I admit, Amy Roloff will roll her eyes and bitch when her husband embarks on ambitious projects, but she doesn't actually go so far as to put a stop to it. She respects the fact that he is his own man and she shouldn't always be alpha dog in a marriage that should be an equal partnership. On the other hand Alpha Kate would stop a super cool project like that dead in the water. Which is really obnoxious. Collin is without a doubt stopping in the middle of the slide and blocking the other kids from going down and overall being a little shit. But somehow, Kate blames Mady for "kicking him." Which she wasn't doing at all. At most she was gently nudging him with her feet, as she was behind him and didn't feel like sitting in the middle of a slide for the rest of the day. Who would? And Collin certainly wasn't moving when asked politely since he's like three and stubborn. Kate still wonders why oh why Mady would ever have issues. Finally, Jon removes Collin from the situation and has a stern talk with him. Good, 'bout time. I noticed this was at least the second time something was pretty much all Collin's fault, but because Mady was in the general area, she got blamed. Kate over there is still wondering why she would ever have any kind of issues. On another much bigger slide, at least a couple stories tall, Jon is taking each of the little kids on it one at a time. You know what, you have eight kids, so that's what you need to do. Because if you had two kids you would take them one at a time, too. And even though Jon admits it was a total pain, he did it anyway with a smile on his face. Good. Kate exaggerates and says they waited there for twenty-five hours for Jon to take all the kids. That's a strange number to pick out of a hat. But okay. I feel a little sick to my stomach at the idea of spending twenty-five hours with Kate anywhere, let alone sitting in a triple-wide stroller at Dutch Wonderland. In a nice gesture, Kate thanks Jon for taking them on the slide. Jon again doesn't seem to realize, probably because she so rarely appreciates him. Whoa, Mady is really throwing a fit over something. It's so bad she's like coughing and choking. I am a hundred percent positive I hear her say, "I wanna be with Daddy!" The child doesn't want to be with Kate, imagine that. I wonder if Kate smacked her for that. Jon says he's embarrassed when they throw fits like this. I would be, too. But I would do something about it, instead of just sort of talk about how embarrassing it is on national TV where all her friends can watch and laugh.

At this point they've been here a long time and it's obviously hot, why don't they just call it a day? I mean, they're not even paying for this, so it's not like they're not getting their money's worth. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing. But Kate doesn't believe in that. Just like how she doesn’t know when to quit her own show, she certainly doesn't know when to quit Dutch Wonderland. They press on! So far, the children's memories of this trip will be, Mady being a spoiled brat and Sherlock has no idea why, Kate screeching for Jon to save them on the Turtle Whirl while the kids nearly puke, and Leah getting her arm smacked like a fly for licking herself. Memories, like the corners of my mind.

Finally, they're on the last ride, a nice little train that goes around the park. Aww, aww, Collin and Alexis sit together and put their arms around each other "like a little old man and a little old lady." Aww, aww, aww. Okay, that kind of makes up for how horrendous this episode was. I really want to see more of the kids and less of their stupid parents, as I stipulated to above. Kate once again, once and once again, decides the kids had fun, except for Mady. I so want someone to ask the children themselves how they feel instead of Kate being the constant mouthpiece like this is Stalingrad. I mean the kids are old enough. I get annoyed when she lumps all eight kids together and tells us they all felt this way or that way. I highly, highly doubt that eight kids ever feel the same exact way about anything, and Kate should respect that they are eight individuals like she always likes to think she does, but in fact not really. Kate in a total martyr tone says as for herself, "I had some times where there was some fun, yes." Well, sheesh, I'm glad she was able to have at least a little fun. I'm tired of this crap. I fast backward to Collin and Alexis with their arms around each other and make that the end of the episode for me, and not Kate's gloomy, ungrateful comments about how she kinda sorta managed to have a little fun despite her eight children. On the next Jon and Kate Plus Eight! Mady's first day back at school after this episode aired... wonder what the other kids will have to say.


86 comments:

eponine said...

Ooh, link to the studies of hand sanitizer?

Anonymous said...

Excellent recap of the Dutch Horrorland, I mean Wonderland episode...I, too, thought the same thing as Kate and kids were on the Turtle Whirl, and Kate is yelling for Jon to help them...WTF??? He's supposed to jump out of his seat and rescue Kate and the kids?? Is this what Kate meant on the Embarrassing and Favorite episode when she said Jon doesn't 'protect' her??

Whitney said...

I was appalled by her comment, 'Don't do that. That is poison and you will die,' when Leah or Alexis was licking the hand sanitizer on her hand (btw, did anyone else get a bad taste in their mouth after watching that scene. Hand sanitizer? Kids are strange strange creatures, lol). Granted, it isn't good to be licking that stuff but that's a little extreme, especially to such a young child like that.

Dew said...

I think it's perfectly appropriate to tell a three-year-old she's going to die. Which Kate does a lot.

dizzy_squishling_and_bean said...

Thanks so much for the recaps, I actually decide whether or not to watch the episodes based on how horrendous they sound in recaps...I haven't seen this one and I think that I'll be massively avoiding the rerun. If Mady didnt want to go to the lil kid park they should have sent her to Aunt Jodi or something for crying out loud. Its not like she was saying she didnt want to go to church or school it was an amusement park.

Perhaps instead of the constant hand sanitizer why doesnt that Em lady make them some matching numbered biohazard suits?

Anonymous said...

i went to dutch wonderland every year as a child until i was about 8 and my brother who is 4 years older never complained, or cried about not wanting to go on the rides, and neither did i. its a great place! .....if your crazy mother lets you have any fun :)

Anonymous said...

I too went to Dutch Wonderland every year until I was about 10 since my sister is younger. It was what you did, even if I didnt want to go and I bring along my ten year old when we do things geared more towards my younger children. Its being together as a family that is important to me and I would bring them whether or not they wanted to go. Even when she isnt thrilled, she would never throw a fit like that. I dont know if Madys drama is because she wants more attention, but I wouldnt tolerate that. She is one of eight, maybe it sucks, but its life and she needs to learn how to deal.

I think the poison comment was a bit much and I wouldnt use hand sanitizer on a three year old because we all know little kids put everything in their mouth. I think the trip was fair enough and I think they had a good time. I have four kids and we rarely go out and have every single kid behave 100% of the time, so all in all I think they did okay.

Anonymous said...

I love your view on Mady. I don't think enough people stick up for that girl. And I am starting to get really worried at how MUCH Cara seems to be favored. Mady seems like a really smart, funny little girl...and it's too bad she will grow up most likely not having any self esteem, due to a mother that thinks it's okay to berate her on national television.

AmandaT said...

So I was sitting here eating a very yummy ice cream sandwich (yes, I ate 75% of my dinner), when I read the line "pica for hand sanitizer." I almost choked! Oh my goodness.

Side note: you don't want to hear what hospitals tell staff about that stuff ... suffice it to say you need to ask your doctors and nurses to actually wash their hands in your view.

I agree, the stuff is nasty and should only be used as a last resort. And not on a three year old. Hell -OOO! Nurse Kate? She really doesn't act like she paid much attention in nursing school ..... especially during pediatrics when they teach about developmental stages.

I agree that Miss Mady does not get enough good press. I can totally sympathize with her, and she seems like a smart cookie when they actually capture her without mamabear over her shoulder.

Also, how cute that Jon went down the slide with the kids.

Anyhow, hilarious recap, thank you!

Anonymous said...

I don't know if I would blame the crying and screaming all on them being "dragged" somewhere. While they were 3 at that point, it terms of development, they were probably still very much in the midst of their terrible twos since they are multiples. They probably screamed and cried a lot no matter what they did and even if they had the worlds most patient parents.

Not a Sheeple said...

When I checked the curriculum at Kate's nursing school prior to the changes they made a year or two ago, pediatric development wasn't on the list of classes. That might explain Kate's apparent lack of knowledge. Also the only nutrition class, was hospital related nutrition that I was guessing was more what was a liquid diet, semi-solid, reduced salt, etc. than regular nutrition.

Anonymous said...

Kids get drunk on hand sanitizer!
Its pure ethyl alcohol.

Unfortunately, Lacy and Matt Butler were unaware of the dangers of these alcohol-based hand sanitizers prior to a teacher using a small amount of on the hands of their 4-year-old daughter, Holly.

According to the parents, Holly licked the hand sanitizer rather than rubbing it in.

“I'll never forget the look in her eyes when she looked at me beause it was ‘uh-uh,’” said Matt Butler of his daughter's behavior after arriving home from school. “I walked in and she's kind of laying up against the wall. Her eyes are just doing whatever they want, you know, not really focused on anything and she just gets up or she tries to get up and she can’t walk.”

Most hand sanitizer is 62 percent alcohol – more than most vodka, which averages about 40 percent alcohol. The high concentration, say the manufacturers, is needed to kill germs.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289951,00.html

Dew said...

In fact most experts agree hand sanitizer is not even effective unless it is at least 60% alcohol. Otherwise, don't buy it because it won't work. However if you injest something with this much alcohol in it, it's equivilent to something like three or four shots. Not necessariliy the safest thing for your kids. Good old fashioned soap and water.

K.C. said...

"...Kate wants her to wear what I assume must be buckled sandals, but Cara wants to wear thong flip flops...After a lot of stupid fighting, with Jon and Kate even going off camera to fight some more..."

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I noticed something about the shoes that wasn't mentioned in this hilarious recap. Yes, Cara wants to wear thong flip flops and Kate wants her to wear white sandals like the rest of the girls. But the reason Jon and Kate took the argument inside, (away from the cameras), is because this was a product placement issue. Kate needed to pull Jon aside to remind him that it doesn't matter what the kids want to wear, (or if the shoes don't fit--cupcakegate), we must pay the bills and keep the sponsors happy! So Kate comes up with an equally profitable alternative. Cara can wear the wide-strap flip flops with ESPRIT's logo tattooed across the top of her feet. I can only assume ESPRIT is the same brand that makes the white sandals everyone else is wearing because when Cara steps out to begin her victory march to the black bus the cameraman is suddenly very interested in her feet. He makes a point of zooming in on the logo, (more than once if I remember correctly). So either this cameraman has a foot fetish or this shoe issue was another example of forced product placement on the infomercial we call Jon & Kate + 8.

Anonymous said...

Your recap was hilarious! I loved it - thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you for taking the time and effort to write it (and for sticking up for Mady.)

foureyes said...

I haven't laughed that much in such a long time. Thank you so much for that very funny recap! Now I'll have to backtrack and see the other reviews you've written.

bethanna said...

The pica comment is comedy gold.

Does anyone else ever notice that they never show any crowd reactions to Kate? Even at places like Dutch Wonderland where you wouldn't need to get permission from by-standers because of the general amusement part rule that your face or likeness may be used for promotional materials or film/print.

Madeline is getting hosed. I have dibs that she'll be the one to write the tell-all book in twenty years. The favoritism of Hannah and Cara is so obvious it's funny. Well, it would be funny if there weren't actual children involved. Cara pitches fits and Kate finds one thousand reasons for her fit. Maddy gets upset and Kate always says, "I don't know what she has to be unhappy about." Oh, gee...I dunno', Kate. Maybe it's because you listen to her much the way people listen to telemarketers - with little patience and no real interest.

Nancy said...

This will be one of the few times I stick up for Kate, but I believe she was right in expecting the twins to participate in the activities even if the rides were mainly for younger kids. The twins aren't THAT old! Mady was wearing her uncooperative persona that day... if one of my kids had put on that act during an outing, I believe I'd have quickly acted to stop said behavior. So yes, Mady was over the top and out of line this time. Also, I think my instant reaction to a kid licking sanitizer would have been to grab or slap the hand away from the mouth.
OK, I'm done sticking up for Kate. Carry on.

minxie said...

So Kate, in her own words, is putting "poison" on her 3-year-old's hands. Good going Kate!

Dew, these recaps are 1000 times more enjoyable than the actual episodes. More, please.

Anonymous said...

That was Alexis who "crashed" into the wall. She threw her blanket over her head, turned around and Hit the wall. It was entirely her own fault. The camera does not show Collin's diaper or waste.

Anonymous said...

There are some things I would like to mention about this post. I am not a Kate hater or lover, I do enjoy the show though. I'm glad someone posted that about the dangers of the hand sanitizer, I also tell my children that it is poison, not to put it in their mouth.

"The kids are also afraid of the automatic flusher?! That's just sad. That's like being afraid of sunlight, or trees."

My daughter is seven and is still wary of the automatic flusher, kids don't sit still and it flushes on them every time they move, I think it would spook me a little too. I was thankful for the tip she gave about the toilet paper over the sensor.

Anonymous said...

Love the recap. This episode was the beginning of the end of my admiration for the Gosselins. Kate screaming like that on the ride was massively inappropriate. I've been on rides like that, and I did so at Cara and Mady's age, and it was not all that scary. Kate's screaming probably scared the kids more than the ride itself.

I was mystified by the hand sanitizer. You don't tell your children that something YOU put on them is poison and will kill them. That is so wrong on so many levels. Yes, I realize there is a high alcohol content in hand sanitizer, and yes, I realize it's easier to slap Purel on your kids' hands then it is to stand in the bathroom forever while they splash in the sink and make a mess. I guess my thought is that if you don't want your three year olds to eat hand sanitizer, take the extra few minutes to let them wash their hands. Jon could have taken the boys into the men's room to wash their hands, and Kate would have only had to deal with washing three sets of little hands.

The worst for me though was Kate griping about Jon needing to pee, and her trying to tell him that he really didn't need to go. What is he, three? He needed to pee. STFU and let him pee in peace.

Anonymous said...

"The worst for me though was Kate griping about Jon needing to pee, and her trying to tell him that he really didn't need to go. What is he, three? He needed to pee. STFU and let him pee in peace."

Don't forget when she asked him if he washed his hands afterwards.

Anonymous said...

I was afraid of those automatic flushers for many years. Its not so unusual. I also use hand sanitizer on my kids and tell them don't put in your mouth cuz it will make you sick. Good on the hands but not in the mouth. Many of the things you folks make fun of are really silly and over the top. Just a reason to hate Kate?.

Anonymous said...

Agree totally with your recap, but just wanted to throw out there that we live in the 'west' and we have a full size basement that does double the sq footage of the house (has a bedroom/bathroom down there) and I agree, it's AWESOME for storage!

FIONA said...

Nancy-but we don't know what happened prior to put Mady in her "uncooperative mood" as you kindly put it.

We have to remember that the twins remember life without camera in their homes more days than not, they used to go on planned family outings, not ones contrived for tv. I think Mady has every right to resent her situation. I don't think this is the case where you say suck it up and live with it. No, not at all. This is an unnatural living arrangement. For all we know, Mady does NOT want to be on the show, but because she and every other kid reality star has NO voice, she HAS to work weather or not she wants to.

So maybe give Mady a break for seemingly knowing better than her wonky parents. JMO of course.

minxie said...

Anonymous said...
I was afraid of those automatic flushers for many years. Its not so unusual. I also use hand sanitizer on my kids and tell them don't put in your mouth cuz it will make you sick.
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If it makes them sick, why use it? We should let kids get build up resistance to dirt and germs by letting them be exposed to it. Then, when they get dirty, clean them with soap and water.

Anonymous said...

I have to say that both my kids didn't like those automatic flushing toilets when they were little either. Not only would it sometimes flush while they were still on the toilet, it was also a very loud.

Anonymous said...

Thanks again for recapping the show. I do think it's crazy to put poison that will kill you (in your own mind) on a child. If you believe that why in hell are you putting on a child. Slapping them because you've put "poison" on them isn't reasonable. Gently hold the hand and take her someplace and wash the "poison" off! Then slap yourself for doing it in the first place. Children always seem to be putting things in their mouths and if they are eating after you've slapped Purell over their hands it's going to get on their food and transfered to their mouths that way.
They don't seem to have problems dropping children off with sitters for their weekend talks and various other reasons so what was the problem they couldn't let the two older children stay with Beth or Jodi that day? Would have solved both Cara's shoe issues and Mady's tired of being dragged around the state issues.
Sure the production company like to say that Jon and Kate are in on the joke. And what is that joke? I'm not finding any of this amusing. Kate's freak outs, the children's tantrums, and the product placements might amuse some but why?

K.C. said...

Would someone please tell me which episode to watch so I can see Kate throw the grill down the stairs?

Katie said...

Just a comment - Mady screams "OUCH YOU HURT ME!" and then says "dad!" and Kate begins to say "no I didn't". One second later it cuts to Mady saying "ouch ouch" and grabbing herself under her arm. It's pretty obvious that Kate was either very rough with her or hit her. here is a clip of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aOMBQQ8unQ

minxie said...

Jon says he's embarrassed when they throw fits like this. I would be, too. But I would do something about it, instead of just sort of talk about how embarrassing it is on national TV where all her friends can watch and laugh.
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J & K's stupidity is just staggering. They seem to see no connection between bad kid behavior and the camera presence--or if they do (more likely) they give lame lip service to "being embarrassed" so that they can continue to cash their TLC paychecks. (Phew, we admitted we were mortified--let's move on!) Of course, they don't care if their kids, however, cringe now or in the future--that's just the price of being an underage Gosselin.

Anonymous said...

This recap seemed especially mean spirited, even toward the children.

And what's up with saying "I want to see more of the kids and less of their parents". Isn't that the opposite of the goal of this blog. I wonder why someone would want to see more of a bunch of kids who "aren't that bright" and are like "really under-socialized puppies, who are bound to snap and bite a small child..." unless, in fact, they are eight adorbale, charming and unique individual children who are fun to watch.

This post confused me.

Dew said...

The show was supposed to be about the children, but it has morphed into the Jon and Kate show, about tummy tucks and hair plugs and me, me, me. That being said, when I say I want to see more of the children I by no means mean that I want this show to continue. What I really want is to see the children return to a somewhat more normal life, which means no show anymore.

"I believe she was right in expecting the twins to participate in the activities"

As for seeing nothing wrong with forcing Mady to go along on this event because it was a family thing, I've given it some thought. I agree in the sense that certain family activities you must force children to do even if they don't want to. For some people that's church, or a day at the grandparents, a cousin's birthday party, or a vacation somewhere. Certainly a 6-year-old should not hold veto power when it comes to that. However, here is the difference. This wasn't simply a family outing. It was a production event with cameras, producers, microphones, stares from the crowds, directions about where to go and when, interviews, and all that baggage.

Had this been just a trip to Dutch Wonderland without cameras, Jon and Kate could have forced Mady to go and it might have been okay. But Mady was forced to perform under all those cameras for the show even though she did not want to. And therefore I think it was completely inappropriate of Jon and Kate to "drag" her along and be filmed. It is the fact that she was being filmed that is the difference. Moreover, they continued to let her be filmed and exposed to millions when they knew she was in one of the worst moods of her life. So to me this whole thing remains truly unbelievable to me. Their own child's happiness, self-esteem, and the consequences of this episode airing for a child that young, did not come before the production schedule, the money, the free trip, for those two shameless parents.

iluveeyore said...

I'm so confused. Are recaps supposed to be "funny"? I didn't think so.

As for seeing more of Jon and Kate than the children... that is just an extraneous comment. I thought the show was supposed to be about the adorable kids. That is exploitation of the children -- any way you want to look at it.

However, we are also seeing hair plugs, tummy tucks, sunburns on beach vacations. Not only don't we want to see that -- there wouldn't be any Jon & Kate episodes if it weren't for the children. Nobody would be interested in Jon and Kate if they didn't have 6 kids at one shot. It's bad enough that the kids are forced into being performers, but they are also trying to push the exploitative parents as loveable characters! Yuch.

Anonymous said...

Loved, loved, loved your recap! Thanks for the laugh! I haven't seen this episode in quite some time, but you brought back a few things that bothered me originally.

1. When Kate asked Jon if he really had to go to the bathroom. Are you freakin' kidding me? I CANNOT believe she asked him that! Even my husband couldn't believe she said that! Did she think he was lying about it, or what? And then asking him if he washed his hands. This woman is a mental case and needs to get over herself.

2. Kate's BS on the Turtle Whirl ride. First, bitching at Jon about his "stupid" phone, then yelling for him to help while the ride was in motion. Katie Irene is seriously whacked.

dizzy_squishling_and_bean said...

I agree with the POV that there is a huge difference between a real family outing and a production trip. Mady shouldn't always be forced to participate in this stuff its obviously affecting her negatively. Yeah some of it may be plain ol normal punk child behavior but not all of it.

I watched the clip posted and yeah it looks like Kate did something I think it probably involved picking her up forcefully and slamming her into the stroller, I dont know for sure but thats what I was thinkin.

Anonymous said...

Just a comment - Mady screams "OUCH YOU HURT ME!" and then says "dad!" and Kate begins to say "no I didn't". One second later it cuts to Mady saying "ouch ouch" and grabbing herself under her arm. It's pretty obvious that Kate was either very rough with her or hit her. here is a clip of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aOMBQQ8unQ
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Yep, sure looks like mommy dearest either pinch, grabbed or slapped Mady and then all we see is her grabbing her head and telling her that she's not 3 she's 7 and to act like it. HELLLLLLOOOOOOOOo, Katie, she's acting like a 7 year old. A 7 year old who doesn't need to be dragged all over PA to entertain the mindless masses.
And again we got to hear Katie say indirectly that Jon is a fattie, fattie two by four because hey, him going up those slide stairs with 6 kids was part of his diet. Must be why he had to do them all instead of mom takes 3 and dad takes 3 because mommy doesn't apparently do that either.

minxie said...

iluveeyore said....
Not only don't we want to see that -- there wouldn't be any Jon & Kate episodes if it weren't for the children. Nobody would be interested in Jon and Kate if they didn't have 6 kids at one shot. ______________

I once said something like that on TWOP and was warned...I'm not sure why. I think they said I wasn't allwoed to speak in generalities about why people did or didn't watch the show. Or some such BS.

Anonymous said...

'Hannah is kind of staring forward blankly. That is how she normally looks to me anyway, so I'm not that concerned.'

Not appropriate to personally attack the kids please.

teach345 said...

Couple things...

1. Many children are afraid of automatic flushers. Especially if they haven't had to use them before.

2. I live near and have worked at Dutch Wonderland. The average age of a child there is 5, that theme park is geared for that age. Therefore, Mady and Cara would have been perfectly fine ages. Mady was just in a mood. Cameras or no cameras she shouldn't be allowed to act like that.

3. As far as the shirts go. I think they are a great idea...When I take my preschool class out they have to be wearing matching shirts. This is to easily identify who is who and where the belong. It is also for easy counting kids. I had 8 in my pre kindergarten class.

4. On the turtle ride, I believe Kate was yelling for Jon because she didn't know what to do. She covered Hannah's mouth so if she did get sick, everyone else in the turtle wouldn't get vomit all over them. I would have done the same thing.

I found this episode to be a nice one. Your recap makes it sound a lot worse than what it was.

Dew said...

"Not appropriate to personally attack the kids please."

I don't think it is appropriate for parents to subject their three-year-olds to millions of opinionated viewers every week, but that's me. I don't think I made any personal attacks. Is saying the children are misbehaved a personal attack? Is saying they are not very articulate and kind of behind socially for their age a personal attack? Not in my mind. I see that as an observation, not an attack. Hannah is very often seen to be very lethargic, often staring off into space, not saying much and certainly not acting like the leader that Kate insists she is. This is pointing out how one viewer perceives her, it is not personally attacking her.

However, this is yet another reason Jon and Kate need to get their children off of TV, because like it or not the children are part of the show, and viewers are going to form opinions about them.

dizzy_squishling_and_bean said...

'Hannah is kind of staring forward blankly. That is how she normally looks to me anyway, so I'm not that concerned.'

Not appropriate to personally attack the kids please.

Stating a fact that Hanna was just kinda staring blankly and the observation that she often does this is not a personal attack. Collin does the same thing at times. These kids seem to zone out when they no longer want to be involved in whatever crap Kon has planned for them today.

mollybloom said...

Less kid time on air means less exposure for the children--good.

More Jon and Kate time means more of these two immature parents bickering and carrying on our time--bad.

I'm glad the twins are showing their annoyance at being dragged to places to be filmed. I'm not advocating that children should run the family activities, but this is a very different situation. They're the wage earners and should have a say in their employment.

Well, as we now know, Kate expects Jon to run in to help here, any time and any place. Is Kate a woman or another child? Oh, please, yelling for help on a kids' ride? Grow up. Any mother has been there and survived!

Anonymous said...

"" Not appropriate to personally attack the kids please."

I don't think it is appropriate for parents to subject their three-year-olds to millions of opinionated viewers every week, but that's me. I don't think I made any personal attacks. Is saying the children are misbehaved a personal attack? Is saying they are not very articulate and kind of behind socially for their age a personal attack? Not in my mind. I see that as an observation, not an attack. Hannah is very often seen to be very lethargic, often staring off into space, not saying much and certainly not acting like the leader that Kate insists she is. This is pointing out how one viewer perceives her, it is not personally attacking her.

However, this is yet another reason Jon and Kate need to get their children off of TV, because like it or not the children are part of the show, and viewers are going to form opinions about them.""

In your original posting you called her 'oafish'. This comment has since been removed. I would call this a personal attack.

Dew said...

I don't see that comment anywhere. It's not really fair to criticize me for something that is not even there. I stand by my statement that Hannah stares off into space quite often, and I don't see it as a personal attack. Let's talk about Jon and how he calls his children homley, and Kate and how she thinks Aaden is not "perfect" anymore because he has glasses, or a little icecream spill has "ruined" her children, or a little slip they did here and there will cause them to "die". Let's talk about the blatant favoritism she has for Cara, and the way she dismisses Mady's troubled thoughts and feelings as just "drama." Then we'll talk about personally attacking the children.

In thinking about it more, I believe that the children should have veto power over anything they are involved in that is being filmed. If they do not want to be filmed, they should not have to be. If that means ending the show because the children don't want to do it anymore, so be it.

Many good stage mothers have said if their children ever don't want to do it, then they won't anymore. The Osbournes stopped doing their reality show, even though they could have filmed at least one and perhaps many more successful seasons, because the kids were sick of it. Amy and Matt Roloff have said quite clearly when the kids don't want to do their show anymore, they will stop doing it too. We've never heard any kind of similar sympathetic statement from Jon and Kate, ever.

Anonymous said...

We've never heard any kind of similar sympathetic statement from Jon and Kate, ever.

And you never will.

I've been struggling with this because there is zero chance that Jon and Kate will ever voluntarily give up this gravy train. The problem is that they want a certain lifestyle and frankly neither of them, even if both were working, can afford it. Nor could most of us!

I'd feel better if Julie could reassure us that Jon and Kate are salting away the $$$ in anticipation of the day when TLC and other sponsors have moved on to the next shiny new family. I wish I knew that J&K are taking the freebies, but know how to invest their money for that rainy day that is going to pour sooner rather than later.

Wish I knew that -- but somehow I doubt it's true.

Anonymous said...

Dew said...
I don't see that comment anywhere. It's not really fair to criticize me for something that is not even there.


You dont see it because it was convienently removed. And it was removed because it was a personal attack against a 3 year old and you decided you had better get rid of it after it was pointed out to you. Correct?

Sharla said...

I really wish I could speak one to one with some of you about this issue. I agree with many of your thoughts about J&K but the method you are spreading it around is very sad I think.

You may address Serena or Sharla through the email addresses at the top of the blog. Also see the contributors link on the lower right side of the blog. Serena is on limited availability at the moment but either of us is willing to listen to a thoughtful opinion.

Anonymous said...

This episode demonstrated -- and we see it again and again over the course of seasons 1,2,3 -- a serious issue that Kate and Jon don't seem to recognize. For all their discussions about how each child is different from his/her siblings - for all the times they remark on the unique personality of each child - their insistence that the kids all wear the same clothes absolutely tells the kids that they are only a single entity, indistinguishable from the others.

Beyond the issue of whether or not Cara's shoes fit in this episode or the more recent one - there is no reason at all for them all to match. I do not buy for one millisecond that it is so the parents can recognize them in a crowd. If that were true, there would have been no reason for Kate to whine that she wanted the boys to wear matching clothes on the golf course - they weren't in a crowd.
No, this is part of Kate's image issues - how the family is presented to the "public."
My own daughter at two had very clear ideas of what she wanted - and didn't want - to wear. Certainly by four and seven, the Gosselin children are capable of choosing their own clothes each morning -- and if not, that's a learning lesson in itself. I feel especially sorry for the twins who have to wear uniforms to school -- and then wear effective matching uniforms should they go out.

Sharla said...

I completely agree with you. There is a mother of quints who lives near us and goes to our church. They have been exceedingly reserved about the quints vs drawing attention to them. They are almost never dressed alike. She has tried very hard to make sure they are treated as individuals and not as a pack. She doesn't like anything that lumps them together or draws extra attention to them in public.

bethanna said...

I'm speechless after that youtube clip. It's VERY obvious that Kate did something to Maddy. My guess is that she got in front of the stroller and tried to stand her up by jerking her up by the arm pits. The way Maddy's holding that area is pretty telling. And, the way Kate says, "No. I didn't." is too defensive. Notice to that she bolts to go on the ride with Cara without really explaining to Jon why Maddy is upset or claiming to be hurt. As a nurse, Kate should know that children only rub areas that are actually painful!!! It's the body's way of dealing with the pain. Rubbing it sends reparitive cells to the area and helps ease the pain by tricking the brain's pain receptors.

I'm disgusted with Kate.

Anonymous said...

I just began watching J&K a little while ago and am not strangely drawn to the show and I don't know why. But everytime I watch it I go between total disgust at K's actions and sympathy. She does do some things right...but a lot wrong too.

Also, a co-worker of mine, a fellow teacher, has 10 kids. I know Kate likes to brag about being one of "only 14" in the country with two sets of multiples, but this family I work with has 3 sets. 2 sets of twins and sextuplets. And one of the sextuplets has cerebral palsey (how's that for exhausting, Kate).

The first set of twins is now 12, the second set is 7 and the tups are 4. I have taught the oldest twins in my class and been around the entire family. They do not scream and act crazy like the Gosselin tups sometimes do and each kid is truly an individual, they are rarely dressed alike.

They also survive on one teacher's salary, the mother stays home with the tups, with no freebies or give aways either.

In my mind, when I see J&K complaining or being so exhausted after not doing much beyond sitting in a lawn chair in a garage, I want to take them to spend a day with the family I talked about here. They parent their multiples with love, joy and thanksgiving.

dizzy_squishling_and_bean said...

THAT is a family that should get some love offerings. They don't sit there with their hands out and beg. Those are the kind of people I like helping.

green said...

I think the public image is very important to Kate (and maybe Jon). The children are usually dressed in matching clothes. I think it is important to have a neat and presentable appearance but these children seem to always have on matching outfits (even pajamas). At times, the outfits seem to take away the joy from the activity. The children may look cute but they can't seem to have any fun because the clothes have to remain clean.

Was the Dutch Wonderland episode the one in which Kate told Jon "stand with me or stand against me" then changed her mind? The bathroom incident with Jon was ridiculous. If your adult husband needs to use the restroom, don't question him.

katja said...

That must be the Hayes family. I have heard awesome things about them and would love to see a special on them. Oh, wait, they must not pimp out their kids. I have read other parents of HOM who feel the Gosselins give all HOM parents a black eye.

WatchOverThem said...

Mady is actually rubbing her chest and under her arm while crying "you hurt me" in that clip, while Kate is steaming behind her...I'm just sayin'...I wonder what else was cut out of the footage and how many more incidents might be in the archives. It's not for us to know, I guess.

FIONA said...

There are so many videos of the Gosselin's on YOUTUBE. It is just weird....there are fans who put together stuff that just creeps me out!

Is there anyway the Gosselin's could get that removed or not?

bakedbeans said...

teach345 said...
Couple things...

1. Many children are afraid of automatic flushers. Especially if they haven't had to use them before.

Fair enough.

2. I live near and have worked at Dutch Wonderland. The average age of a child there is 5, that theme park is geared for that age. Therefore, Mady and Cara would have been perfectly fine ages. Mady was just in a mood. Cameras or no cameras she shouldn't be allowed to act like that.

I adore Mady. She shouldn't HAVE to act like that. Frankly, I doubt she would act like that if she hadn't been treated like excess baggage once the sextuplets arrived.

3. As far as the shirts go. I think they are a great idea...When I take my preschool class out they have to be wearing matching shirts. This is to easily identify who is who and where the belong. It is also for easy counting kids. I had 8 in my pre kindergarten class.

Whatever, product placement.

4. On the turtle ride, I believe Kate was yelling for Jon because she didn't know what to do. She covered Hannah's mouth so if she did get sick, everyone else in the turtle wouldn't get vomit all over them. I would have done the same thing.

You must be joking. Covering the mouth of a child who's vomiting? A small amount of kid throw-up on your shoes versus the child possibly aspirating?

As far as Kate not knowing what to do, she's an adult for God's sake, she should stop the fake drama, make her kids feel safe and lose the need to suck up everyone else's oxygen.

I found this episode to be a nice one. Your recap makes it sound a lot worse than what it was.

I found it to be 95% contrived and typically Kate-centric.

Anonymous said...

It's worrisome that there is evidence that Kate isn't loathed to go after those children physically even in front of a camera. If she slaps a child's face would they cut it and just go about life as if it never happened. I would hope there would be at least one camera person or producer that would pull the plug and step in if she is physical with the children. Please don't let it be the case that money is more important then those children when it comes to possible inappropriate physical punishment. It's bad enough they way she speaks to them, about them and shows favoritism but if she's doing more and the crew stands by and allows it to occur I'm really going to be ill.

AmandaT said...

Wow. The Hayes need some love offerings! The Gosselins are in such a prime position to do some good. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they started a foundation that raised money for parents of multiples and special needs kids? I would love to see that - they could get so much attention and do so much good for the non-famous families out there.

And oof. Poor Mady. I am a bit upset after watching that clip. I do like Jon's technique of taking a child away from the group, getting down to his/her level, and talking things out. That is something I would love to see more of.

Hand sanitizer note: I have a 15 month old son who attends the preschool play group while we go to adult bible study/service. I came to pick up my son just as the teacher is putting hand sanitizer on him!! My goodness, doesn't everyone read the GWoP blog? (ok, he did manage to creep into the bathroom and splash in the toilet water before they could catch him. They washed his hands, but thought the sanitizer would be extra protection. Gee, if Kate thinks ice cream ruins a kid, I'd hate to hear her opinion on my little man.)

Anonymous said...

katja, how do you know about the Hayes family? I didn't know their name was out and about there! Cool!

Anonymous said...

interesting note here. Was just rewatching this episode and noticed something. While sitting in the stroller, Alexis has just licked her hands with the hand sanitizer and she is reprimanded. They push her hand out of her mouth and she starts crying. If you look really quickly you can notice that when Alexis is crying Kate goes to front of the stroller and pushes Collin's ( maybe Joel?) head back pretty hard in the stroller. Never caught that before. Anyone who has it taped should take a look. It's a split second thing before the scene cuts away. It is the boy tup sitting to the left of Alexis in the stroller.

Anonymous said...

"Excellent recap of the Dutch Horrorland, I mean Wonderland episode...I, too, thought the same thing as Kate and kids were on the Turtle Whirl, and Kate is yelling for Jon to help them...WTF??? "

When I saw this episode I couldn't believe the drama Kate was putting on when she rode this ride. It's not like it was a roller coaster for crying out loud. I just realized that the kids get their screaming and drama from Kate. How often have they been in a public place and Kate is screaming for one reason or another.

I think these two have ridden the gravy train as long as they can. I don't see this series lasting for another season. People are getting fed up with the antics of the parents.

K.C. said...

You might be interested in this quote since the discussion about J&K's spanking/physical punishment came up:

"-They DO spank the kids, but we will never see that on television. They said they just don't think it's a good idea for anyone to show them spaking their children on national television, and TLC just doesn't want to air it either. But they do spank them, but they keep it to a minimum and of course, as we all know, use time outs as punishment most of the time."

This quote is from a high school girl--she attended one of J&K's speaking engagements. According to a previous post from Julie, this girl is one of J&K's biggest fans and is also the one who notified Jon about Julie's, (now closed), 'Support Jodi' page on Facebook. For those of you with Facebook here is the link to her full post:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=6672171198&topic=3809#post13319

Mimi said...

Why, I wonder, isn't Jon uncomfortable with the idea that his wife treats him like the 9th child (the really dim one at that)?

Is it really necessary for Kate to question him about whether he has to go to the bathroom or not? Surely, at 30 or 31 he knows if he really has to go.

Maybe Producer Jen should rename the show "Kate Plus 9".

Anonymous said...

K.C. said...
Would someone please tell me which episode to watch so I can see Kate throw the grill down the stairs?


You can see the destruction of Charlie Charcoal in the Behind the Scenes episode. It's at the beginning of the knobgate clip. I don't remember which episode it was in originally.

Anonymous said...

When it comes to the Gosselins, the truth doesnt lie somewhere in the middle but is perpetually blurred to maintain an illusion. If J & K were about 'truth' and representing a middle ground standard they would not feel the need to refer to those that might not be in agreement of and criticize as 'jealous bystanders'. And only those is support of as 'faithful fans'. Chris Angel is nothing compared to the works of J & K when it comes to what is 'truth' and 'illusion'.

dizzy_squishling_and_bean said...

Slapping a childs arm, jerking them around, etc are NOT spanking dangit. Spanking is a swat on the BUTT. My parents spanked me but NEVER hit me anywhere but my butt (occasionally the leg if I moved lol).

Adressing the anger some people are seeing...I think it has to do with the fact that this show gets more ridiculous by the hour....Hey kids comeon lets go to this super fun place, we may have to drive a billion hours to get there, when we do you are allowed to have fun only in the prescribed manner, if you dont want to go tough crap its a filming day.

Seriously some people may say hey its just an amusement park. I say yeah but how many of these contrived events have they been to in the past year or so, their private days with J&K weren't even private. They'll show the kids on the toilet or in the tub but won't show J&K spanking...why because they are afraid it will make it look bad? They show poor Mady's meltdowns, they show all of the meltdowns of all of the kids.

I just had a vision of one of the kids in school and one of their classmates saying....HEY I remember the episode when you were constipated I watched it with my mom....ah yes that will be great memories for them

katja said...

"katja, how do you know about the Hayes family? I didn't know their name was out and about there! Cool!"

I read about them on a discussion board. They sound like a really cool family that puts their kids first instead of their greed. I was very impressed with them. That's the kind of family that deserves help, but they don't feel it is necessary. They think it is their responsibility to take care of their kids. What a novel concept! The just seem very real and all about the kids.

eponine said...

Poor Maddy. When was the last time the 'tups got dragged to something they didn't want to do but it was for Maddy and Cara?

SmartyQ said...

When was the last time the 'tups got dragged to something they didn't want to do but it was for Maddy and Cara?
I think you posted in the wrong place, Eponine. Doesn't your post belong in the nice things about Katie? :) (The devil made me type this.)

AireZoe said...

My daughter (21) has never been to Disney World or a large amusement park. She hates the noise and the crowds, and I've respected that. Never thought we needed to go to a large, hot, crowded place and say it's a memory or pretend it was fun. It would be torture for her (and the rest of us; father, mother, daughter).
That said, if J&K have to go to all these amusement parks (Dutch Wonderland, Disney, Chocolate World, etc.) because of a production schedule/contract and they take along kids who are just miserable in situations like that, what kind of parenting is this?
You don't put kids into situations that cause them so much discomfort - for a buck.

mollybloom said...

When I asked my older son (now 23) what he remembers about the two long trips to DisneyWorld, he says, "it was hot and you carried (younger brother) while I had to walk." Kate, be careful about your memories. They get reflected against a tabloid of overall family dynamics and happiness.

Anonymous said...

Anon. 7/27/08, 7:04: "I know Kate likes to brag about being one of "only 14" in the country with two sets of multiples, but this family I work with has 3 sets. "

She actually said that there have only been 14 sets of living sextuplets born. That was in an old show and that statistic may be outdated at this point. She wasn't saying there are only 14 multiple multiples, so to speak.

Anonymous said...

And if the United States had better laws regulating fertility treatment like they do in Europe there would be even less of these HOM births. And less parents would go through with the risk if they public would stop putting on a big aw, it's it wonderful type of parade when it occured. When the NICU costs get more then the govenment is willing to pay perhaps laws and regulations will start getting made. As it is, it's the NICU bills that cause a lot of insurance companies not to offer fertility treatment coverage not the actual cost of the treatment.

Anonymous said...

"Amy and Matt Roloff have said quite clearly when the kids don't want to do their show anymore, they will stop doing it too."

Not to veer off topic but I wouldn't hold the Roloffs up as paragons of virtue in the reality show world. They *say* the kids get a choice but I would be very curious to know if the voting is actual voting or Matt deciding to do it and telling everyone after he's signed a contract.

I'd also point out that the Roloffs have next to no standards for behavior for their kids and nearly lost their youngest because they thought it was appropriate for a nine year old to operate a homemade medival seige engine with no safety devices for a paying crowd.

Anonymous said...

I don't think we should speculate as to whether or not Kate is physically harming the children. We haven't seen anything to indicate such, and it is kind of out of line to suggest she is abusive. Those are very serious allegations, and they can be very damaging. I see no evidence that Kate physically hurt Mady in this episode or any episode for that matter. I honestly think Kate wasn't as bad in this episode as usually. I thought she was pretty restrained.

Anonymous said...

Dew's recap: "What's funny is until now for some reason I never, ever noticed one of the tups crashing into the wall while Kate changes Collin's diaper. Ha. I think I was always too distracted by the idea that they felt it necessary to film Collin's diaper being changed and, moreover, stick it in the credits so we can relive that particular dump of Collin's every single week, to notice another kid crashing into the wall."

I watched that scene today while I was looking for clips. If you look closely (or rewatch it a couple of times) you'll notice that Kate mostly blocks Collin for the entire shot, but when the tup crashes Kate moves out of the way and you can see she is in the middle of dressing Collin (she has either pants or a shirt in her hands). To be fair, she was in front of the camera, there was nothing shown of a changed diaper, but instead there was some indication that she was dressing him. They make questionable calls on here all the time, but there is nothing questionable shown here, IMO.

Anonymous said...

I find it very insulting how you to refer to this park and make fun of it's rides, never mind that Jon and Kate and the kids are there. This is a fantastic park for pre-schoolers, yes, a little dated, but the company that owns it has done a fantastic job of updating it, yet keeping the classic attractions that people have come to love with this park. As their marketing slogan says, "It's a Kingdom for Kids." That being said, you are going to have cute and cheesy rides geared towards the kids.
Do you have children? Have you ever taken them to an amusement park? Jon and Kate acted just as any other parent with multiple children would during a day at the park. My husband and I took our 2 children to this park just a month ago and we had some of the same drama issues as J&K. Yes, small children are afraid of the automatic toilets, my 4 year old jumps away from it every time. And yes, children that are used to potty seats do not like using a potty without one. There's that fear of falling in that makes it difficult to go, never mind the fascination with a new bathroom that causes the "I have to go potty" song and dance every 10 minutes. And so what if the kids didn't want to to ride certain rides. Not every child likes riding rides. Most likely, that's going to happen with multiple children in a family.
I don't always agree with everything that J&K do, I especially don't like using their children as profit, but I really enjoyed this episode and thought they handled themselves well, unlike other times.

Anonymous said...

I am confused by some of these comments. After reading the other episode recaps on this site I think it's obvious that these are written in a joking & exaggerated tone. Not to be confused with a description you would see on TLC's website of a particular episode. Several people have come down pretty hard on Dew regarding her recap. Can't you tell that some of it's supposed to be a joke? At least that's how I took it...

By the way Dew, you obviously put a lot of time and effort into doing this for the enjoyment of others. Thank you.

AireZoe said...

I think the recaps are well-written and offered in the same spirit as the recaps at TWoP - snarky.
I would be more offended if the recap had a reverential tone towards J&K.

iluveeyore said...

"I don't think we should speculate as to whether or not Kate is physically harming the children. We haven't seen anything to indicate such, and it is kind of out of line to suggest she is abusive."

A long time ago, I was astounded by the way the kids immediately march to time out. If you are familiar with little kids, you know how nearly "abnormal" that is. Now that I know that Jon and Kate do spank their kids, I think I understand the immediate trek to the corner. However, I really doubt that any physical "abuse" exists in the Gosselin home.

However, psychological and emotional abuse is also abuse. Such abuse can cut much deeper and be longer lasting than physical abuse. Physical pain goes away.

For instance -- have you ever seen 4-year-old kids who are terrified of getting dirty? How do you feel about a mother threatening to throw away a child's teddy bear? How do you feel about demanding silence during dinner -- a time when family should be getting together, interacting, and talking about their day? (Well, forget the last item. J/K and the kids -- except for when the twins are in school -- are together 24/7. Maybe they're sick of each other.) I know I'm forgetting much more such abuse (being made to sleep in the basement, being made to lie on the laundry room floor...), but that is enough to answer your statement.

Dew said...

"Jon and Kate acted just as any other parent with multiple children would during a day at the park."

Really? Other parents of multiples drag an entire camera crew along on a day that is supposed to be for family? Other parents drag and force a child kicking and screaming onto various rides? Other parents shout and panic and overall terrify their kids on a ride by shouting "help us!!!" over and over? That's frightening.

"And so what if the kids didn't want to to ride certain rides. Not every child likes riding rides."

I agree, and that was my exact point. Mady was constantly dragged onto various rides against her will. She didn't want to ride them. So what. SOO, let her sit out! Jon and Kate refused to let her sit out when that's what she wanted to do. In the most recent Sesame Place episode she again insisted she did not want to participate, and was again dragged out against her will.

"By the way Dew, you obviously put a lot of time and effort into doing this for the enjoyment of others. Thank you."

Thanks! What is the episode where she tells the children to eat in silence? I may sign up to recap that one! If there's a specific episode you think I'd be good to recap make it known and I'll sign up for it.

SecretMonkey said...

I'm just watching this show for the first time. It's horrible! Why does she have to micromanage everything in the name of memories?

Anonymous said...

Dew,
You are absolutely hysterical, I have tears running down my face from the laughter. Can I request you to recap all episodes from now on? You would make my week.....
Thanks