Episode Recap - "Babies and Bedrooms, Part 1" - 11/26/2007

On this episode of Jon and Kate Plus 8! Jon and Kate get more free stuff, in the form of a bunch of free cute little kid beds, and Kate berates Jon as they buy the beds.

The credits roll. I like how as each season progresses Kate gets more and more defensive when she says the line, "but it's OUR life." Heh.

One year ago…in an oddly black-and-white look back to yester-year that kind of seems like the beginning of a horror movie, which, maybe it is? Jon and Kate are being ungrateful as usual and complaining about how their new house isn't big enough. So wow, they were insinuating they wanted a bigger, freer house even back then. They've really been tenacious in pursuit of that particular freebie. They call the move to their current house "temporary." As in, until they can find the right donor of a better house, like Lowes or Home Depot or Figure 8 or somebody. It's kind of sad this show has been going on so long that they can even do a "back in the day" type segment.

Present day. Jon and Kate have decided the little kids are getting too old to sleep in the same room, and they must separate the girls from the boys. It's June, so they just turned three last month. Three. They can barely talk at this point. They are still in diapers. I want to know what they imagine could happen between these three-year-olds. Do they expect to one day walk in on naptime to discover what exactly? They decided a long time ago Joel is gay so they're not worried about him around the girls. More on this later. But that being said, I guess it would be nice to give them their own rooms and space if enough sheeple can afford to make it happen.

Some guy named Bob we've never seen before who claims to be a contractor and "neighbor" of Jon and Kate's shows up in his truck at the house with a bunch of tools. You might think for a moment he's Beth's husband Bob, but I guess not. No, just some random guy also named Bob.

Kate looks like she just woke up and has a cow lick about three inches tall. The kids are wide awake, probably have been for some time, and completely unsupervised upstairs behind a baby gate. They say hi to Bob like they know him, which is reassuring. Because I would be scared at that age to have some strange man with a power saw walk by me early in the morning and my mommy is nowhere to be found. I guess there are advantages to exposing your kids to a multiple of strangers day after day. They certainly don't fear anyone. Kate talks downstairs about how there's a bunch of people coming in and out to do the construction work and complains about how she'll have to orchestrate it all because Jon is at work. But, I just see Bob. Not a bunch of people traipsing in and out. Bob is all by himself up there, out of the way, getting the job done.

The kids are still locked behind the baby gate in their room as Bob starts hammering, sawing, tearing things down and so on. Kate finally comes up to take the little kids downstairs. I wonder if they've even had breakfast yet.

So I guess the kids are unsupervised downstairs now? Because Kate is back upstairs. Predictably, she is micromanaging Bob, stringing up unnecessary tarps and overall freaking out as he just kind of ignores her and keeps working. She is overly concerned about a little sawdust, yet seemed to have left the little kids up there, some of whom use nebulizers, for quite awhile while Bob got started. Of course it was a choice between exposing them to a little sawdust and actually having to do work by getting them up and changed and breakfast for them, so.

Kate continues to refer to Bob as "them." But I still see just Bob. Maybe he has multiple personalities? His gender is unclear? He feels like a hoard of people to Kate? I don't know.

Kate has also covered Mady and Cara's room in tarps. I'm confused, where is their room in relationship to the construction in the attic? Are they really getting that much dust floating into their room? Wouldn't most of it settle in the attic, where the work is taking place? But oh well, Mady and Cara are happy to sleep in the basement while the construction work goes on and their mother drapes their room in plastic like it was exposed to Bubonic plague recently. The twins are excited about their new room, which is cute. So are they home from school today? Why is Jon at work? Is it a Saturday and he's working overtime? Obviously this was filmed over several days, and the cameras intruded on the family for many, many days, to make an episode to encompass "one days." Sigh.

Oh, there's Carla, Kate's babysitter/nanny/bitch, but that could change at any moment. She's in the garage looking after the children. I wonder what Kate is doing. Maybe bracing for an outbreak of E. coli? Kate pretty much admits Carla is there whenever Jon is working, then she backtracks and says, well, she's here "some days." So, which is? And she tells the camera she's grateful for her help, in response to all the forums in which everyone complains she doesn't appreciate her helpers. Kate shows up for a bit, and the kids start freaking out and howling. Kate leaves, and they're calmer again.

Aww, the kids call Bob, "Bob the Builder." So they do watch T.V. We check in with Bob, and it's going well. If you can find it in you to just ignore Kate, I bet you could really get things done quite quickly and efficiently at that house and that things would indeed go well. Bob seems like the type that knows he's good at what he does, knows how to get the job done correctly, and doesn't give a damn about some overbearing know-it-all housewife or her camera crew. Good for him.

Kate insists that she's not really worried about whether people are doing a good job on this project, but whether it will be done on time. (Incidentally, what's the rush? I suppose they want it done before the twins start school, which is legitimate. Or perhaps they want it done before they get a bigger freer house.) But I think if Kate's really honest with herself, she's worried about both. But mostly worried about whether they will do a good enough job. And with Kate at the helm, no one will ever be able to do a good enough job. So she could save herself the suspense and just decide right then Bob won't do a good job. The nice thing for Bob, he won't care what she thinks. So all this is truly wasted energy. Kate's energy, and mine. But not Bob's, because he just doesn't care. I wish I didn't care about this show and those poor exploited children.

Commercials, which I don't watch anymore. The which in that sentence is a homage to Kate's command of the English language, only I used it correctly there. And she uses it incorrectly. All the time.

We're back. Bob is still working. Only now there's another guy with him, maybe two guys. Huh, Jon is home. I thought he was at work. So I guess this is a new day. Kate is in a bathrobe, but that's no indication of whether it's morning or not. But I guess it is indeed morning, as Mady comes up from the basement after just waking up. She is covering her eyes and seems kind of upset. She doesn't make that big a deal, but kind of just sadly hugs Kate and buries her eyes against Mommy's tummy-tucked belly. I think Mady actually handled her discontent pretty calmly. She didn't throw a fit like Kate likes to insist she does. I guess production flipped on the set lights early since they were filming. So Mady was sleeping in the basement and the guys came down and turned on all the lights? Real considerate. The lights are specially installed in the house for the show and extremely bright. Mady has complained about those lights before. Poor kid. Jen the producer for some reason thinks this is hysterically funny. That's not really nice, Jen. And you shouldn't be on camera in the first place. You're not supposed to actually be there. Hey, we see a sound guy, too! This family is just so natural and day-in-the-life.

Oh, wow, so we seemed to have done a dramatic time leap because now Kate is saying they couldn't get the project done before the twins started school. So I guess we're maybe in September now. Wonder what happened to the summer? Well, we get about a dozen more episodes catching us all up on summer antics that aired after this particular episode. Never fear, this family didn't go very long without cameras in their children's faces. Not even during the summer vacation.

Jon says they sold the children's cribs at a yard sale. We know the cribs were originally donated to the Gosselins, so this contradicts statements Jon had made earlier about how all their donations would be re-donated. Unless they donated the yard sale money to charity, which they don't say.

Kate is making waffles with a waffle maker. They look good. But then she's putting them in the stove, too, which is weird. Were they not fully cooked in the waffle maker? Was she trying to crisp them up. Hmm, I think she is trying to keep them warm. I have to give her credit for that, because a cold waffle is yucky. In a rare moment, Kate shows a little excitement about the fact that the kids are growing up and getting big beds. Usually she wants them to stay perpetually fourteen months old and doesn't want to talk about any milestones. In fact, she thwarts milestones, or tries to. You will NOT potty train, you are a BABY! She explains for a really long time about how they're getting big beds and different rooms. We already know all this since she just explained it earlier. Kate loves repeating herself. I have a hunch Jon thinks Kate is a nag. I take a cat nap.

In the kitchen, Mady goes over and gives Collin a hug. She loves her little brothers and sisters despite the fact that they have basically ruined her life. Her hug is perfectly appropriate and gentle. But for some reason Collin wasn't feeling it, and runs away. He runs into the cabinet from his own momentum and hits it kind of hard. Before Mady can even manage to get out an apology or go see if he's okay, Kate is all over her, "Why must you knock them over all the time?!" When Mady tries to explain what really happened, Kate abruptly cuts her off. See at this point, if Kate were to really listen to Mady, she might have to admit she misjudged the situation, which she never will do. So Mady is basically screwed two seconds into this incident. I think Mady kind of knows it, too. She doesn't really fight this one very hard. Mady, we love you. Hang in there, kiddo. Incidentally, Collin seems fine. Besides, he has bigger problems coming up.

The kids are howling about something. Kate is screaming for Jon. Screaming. Kate and Jon fight over something ridiculous. Typical morning.

On the couch, Kate insists that some days Jon just doesn't care to help her. Which I'm sure is how she perceives it. Meanwhile the guy is shown hither and yon getting the kids ready for the morning, breaking up fights, running up and down stairs. All Kate has to do is add waffle mix to the waffle maker.

Kate and Jon are still fighting. Kate sets it all up perfectly for herself by accusing Jon of getting the day started off on the wrong foot. That way when the day does go wrong, she can just blame it all on Jon. Brilliant!

Kate and Jon say they noticed at this point that Collin was constipated. Ew, but aww. Of course that won't stop their mission to get more freebies. And production ain't stepping up anytime soon to suggest maybe they postpone all of this or leave Collin behind with a sitter. It is Jon and Kate Plus Eight, not Jon and Kate Plus Seven. Collin better suck it up and quick.

At breakfast, Kate and Jon both freak out when Joel, who is three, says he is "Daddy's girl." He's totally joking and giggling, but this is no joke to Kate and Jon. They firmly tell him no he is not! Then Jon makes fun of his lisp. Joel is three, if I didn't mention it before. I'm pretty sure most kids lisp at that age. Also, I'm no child development expert, but I'm not sure newly turned three-year-olds are even beginning to understand the concept of gender. This seems to egg Joel on, and he just starts disagreeing with everything his parents tell him. Heh, quiet, sweet little Joel is gonna be a good one when he's older, too. Kate and Jon make fun of him some more on the interview couch. Kate suggests that because he has sisters he thinks he's a girl. Um, well, he has two brothers, too, so that makes sense. Not! I can tell they're going to be those parents who are totally accepting and supportive and loving if any of their children someday announce they are gay. They totally won't say, "Honey, you're not gay, you're just confused!!!"

The clan arrives at the bed store. The bed store gets a nice promotion, including their sign, a "sale" sign, and even their hours. Not everyone will get this special treatment in the future. In the parking lot, most of the kids are crying and howling, even Princess Cara the perfect twin. God knows what she's bawling about this time, I don't care. But she bawls and throws fits a heck of a lot more than Kate wants us to believe. Jon scolds Cara and tells her she's "six!" Absolutely. And she's being ridiculous. Some of the kids have to go to the bathroom. Didn't they go before they left? How far away is this place? And I thought they have potties in the van for that. And the kids were just in diapers earlier in this episode. This was not filmed in one day. I feel like we're being had! Imagine that!

Incidentally, Mady seems calm and relaxed and his happily blowing bubblegum bubbles. I hope Collin's bear stayed at home. Because constipation and a gummy bear all in the same day would be truly horrible. Of course no one praises Mady for her good behavior amidst all the chaos. Good behavior is a peg that does not fit Mady's hole, so it tends to just get ignored.

I don't know why the kids were ever brought along on this trip. Jon doesn't know either. Well, he knows it's because production arranged it, but he can't exactly say that. The guy at the bed store, Tom, is nice and good with kids. Tom shows them some potential beds. Kate takes us through her thought process about the beds, which is completely boring. But it's funny how interesting she thinks her thoughts are. The kids are crawling all over the beds and being loud. They obviously shut down the whole store for them. Of course. And by the hours sign we were shown earlier, this store is open every single day. So unless Tom opened it after hours or before, he may very well have lost business on this production day. I suppose production convinced him it would be worth it for having his store exposed on national TV and connected to such a lovely family. I wonder if those kids even realize that other people go to stores, and sometimes at the same time you do!

Kate and Jon continue to discuss potential beds. They remark how the little kids are really good at destroying stuff, but instead of addressing the problem directly, something they never do, they try to find a way around it. Such as better, sturdier beds that can withstand the destruction. Problem solved. Sort of.

They start fighting again because now Kate is taking too long to decide. And she is. I don't know why she didn't have this all picked out before they even went. I don't know why they went in the first place when they could easily order from a catalogue or online. And I still don't know why they took the kids. I feel like half of this is scripted and staged, because an episode in which they walk into a store, select beds right away, and walk out, I guess is not all that interesting. But maybe they would have been home before Collin started having his little bathroom issues.

Kate insists on a trundle, which I think is a funny word and very 19th century sounding, but Jon isn't sure why they need that because they aren't having more kids. He sounds kind of bitter. We know he got roped into having the sextuplets, and I think he still has a lot of pent up aggression about that, as well he should. It's both sad and funny at the same time. Kate makes a face at her husband, and it's totally uncalled for. Tom the bed guy kind of stands there awkwardly watching the whole thing. He feels obligated to smile at Kate when she huffs, "Men!" to him. The situation is so completely awkward for Tom, but Kate doesn't realize it for a second. Not that she would care anyway.

Now Jon is super annoyed and snapping at the kids kind of unfairly. The music gets a little depressing as Jon and Kate talk about how much Kate changed her mind and how long it took and how irritated they were. And then the situation gets even worse as Collin's constipation catches up with him and he cries to Kate that his hiney hurts. She passes him off to Jon and tells him that Daddy will rub his belly. When Collin goes to Jon, Jon snaps at him that Mommy can't help him, she's picking beds. I know Jon is fed up with Kate at the moment, but it's too bad he has to take it out on Collin.

Commercials.

We're back, and poor Collin is still very upset. Kate cuddles him for a moment, then complains he's like an antelope. An antelope? What does that mean? I thought antelopes sort of prance up mountains typically, and Collin is certainly in no condition to do that. Kate keeps her store catalogue in one hand as she rubs his back with the other and looks over beds. She's multitasking, which every mother of sextuplets must learn how to do to get through.

Collin finally asks to be changed. I don't think he's pooped yet, but Kate assumes he has and claps for him like he's a puppy who just did a good trick. Poor Collin.

In one of the most miserable, depressing, inappropriate moments in this entire series, the camera zooms in on Collin's tooshie as he waddles off to the van with Jon to be changed.

At the van, it's clear Collin has not yet pooped indeed, and Jon has to encourage him to push and apparently had to help remove his troubles with a plastic bag. Poor little guy. And good for Jon for stepping up here. This is not pleasant, I can imagine. It looks like Joel is standing there watching in the van. I find that amusing, I don't know why. It's like Joel was his quiet rock of support there. Cute. On the couch, Kate congratulates Jon for helping his son. No one talks about how they never should have gone to the bed store in the first place with Collin this constipated. Why couldn't Carla look after him that day? Maybe Carla was no longer their babysitter by now.

Kate discusses pricing with Tom. Tom is a pretty good actor, but we all know this is all for show and that TLC is footing the bill. TLC even does a little list on our screen of all the stuff they bought and the price, $2935. Wow, sextuplets are expensive! Yawn, not falling for it. We never actually see her paying for it, by the way. Jon does the right thing and just gives up and lets Kate decide what beds she wants. Because he knew it was time to get those kids out of there and back home and that they were more important than the beds. Took him awhile, but he got there. Anyway, that was Kate's plan all along, to wear Jon down until she ended up getting to pick the beds herself. It worked.

Kate shows the kids their beds, except the girls' beds are from a catalogue so she has to show them a picture. And she couldn't do this online from home because? Aaden wanders over to see the picture, and one of the girls, either Alexis or Leah, pushes him away by backing up against him and shoving her butt in his face. With her little pixie voice, she announces, "Aaden's not a girl!" Why do I get the feeling every morning Kate goes around telling each of them, "you're a girl!" or "you're a boy!" as they're eating their organic granola? These kids are overly preoccupied with gender.

Kate unequivocally decides the kids are happy. Collin, too? Hmm. Okay. We made it through an entire episode without Kate mentioning how exhausted she is, which is quite an accomplishment.

On the next Jon and Kate Plus 8, Kate hates when Jon has to spend time doing projects around the house that really need to be done.

Reprinted with permission from Dew.

42 comments:

Darcy said...

I'm sorry, I didn't have the attention span to read the entire thing but I wanted to mention that the sextuplets were THREE in that episode. Plenty old enough to be left unsupervised upstairs or downstairs. Maybe Bob is a family friend, it's not like we know all of their friends.

Anonymous said...

Great assessment! I hated when Collin had his bowel problems, as someone that has had a partial blockage and problems myself (sorry for tmi.lol), it's very, very painful, and I felt the pain for him, I wanted to cry. Not to mention it being on video forever, a lot of the stuff that happens bothers me for that reason as well as many other reasons.
I also noticed, not sure which episode it was in last night, that Mady was talking about being perfect, IIRC, that being perfect wasn't a good thing, because then you couldn't get any better. She seems to get very upset when people say anything about being perfect.
Not on topic, but kind of, there's a show on the discovery channel called "The Baby Human" which is very interesting when comparing it to J&K's show, if anyone gets a chance, you should watch it.

Dew said...

I resectfully disagree, I don't think kids that age should be unsupervised, especially given there are so many of them. At the very least someone needs to be popping their head in on them every few minutes making sure they're not killing each other. But when Kate finally came up to let them go downstairs the kids acted like they hadn't even seen her yet that morning. Would a preschool leave kids that age unsupervised? No.

Maybe Bob is a friend. Or maybe he was some guy TLC found to do the job.

minxie said...

LMAO Good work Dew! SO much to ridicule in one episode.

1) Kate's freakout over this home project: The work was being done up, away and out of sight. It was an attic. As someone who recently HAD to go through a complete kitchen overhaul because of a broken water pipe (and our kitchen is smack in the center of our house) I wanted to scream, Suck it up Kate!

2) The boys talk about being girls because they see Kate treats the girls better. I'm waiting for the boys to want to be called "Hannah".

3) If you drag a bunch of small kids into a bed store (and why would you?) it's obvious what the kids are going to want to do. Duh. Talk about contrived.

FIONA said...

I'm sorry, I didn't have the attention span to read the entire thing but I wanted to mention that the sextuplets were THREE in that episode. Plenty old enough to be left unsupervised upstairs or downstairs. Maybe Bob is a family friend, it's not like we know all of their friends


Hmm....I would never leave a toddler unsupervised....that's just me. And seeing how kate's doesn't have all her electrical outlets covered, it gives me even greater concern. Kate keeps them locked in, until SHE is ready to bring them down, after her coffee. Her needs come b-4 the tups, but you already knew that!!!

Anonymous said...

These children are plenty old enough to be downstairs within earshot of parents. Her electrical outlets aren't covered...good for them. Life has been so dumbed down for our children that we have "stuff" (like electrical covers and cabinet locks) to keep them safe as opposed to teaching them not to touch or play with certain things. Good for you, Kate.

I absolutely HATED the purchasing of the beds. There was no need to have all the children there especially with Collin's problems going on. Bless his heart, this will be out there for all to see years to come...poor Collin.

minxe said...

Three year olds definitely still need supervision--not as much as, say, an 18 month old--but they can still get into plenty of mischief and hurt themselves. If Kate hates getting up early she needs to keep the tups up later so that they sleep later, or cut down on the nap time. In more recent episodes we see that the tups aren't settling in for long PM naps much more anyway--few 4 year olds do.

iluveeyore said...

What they call the "attic" is a room through the (NOW) tup girls' closet. To get to the twins' room, you have to walk through the little girls' room and through their closet.

Hence/thus, the attic is on the same floor as the kid's bedrooms. (Except for Alexis, who has been banished to basement/Friday night movie land.)

Darcy said...

Hmm....I would never leave a toddler unsupervised....that's just me. And seeing how kate's doesn't have all her electrical outlets covered, it gives me even greater concern. Kate keeps them locked in, until SHE is ready to bring them down, after her coffee. Her needs come b-4 the tups, but you already knew that!!!

Well, I have a 3 1/2 year old and he is plenty capable of playing unsupervised. (Meaning I don't have my eyes on him but I could hear him if he needed me) I don't cover our outlets, he knows they're dangerous and would never dream of touching them. I don't agree with forcing kids to remain babies forever.

People criticize Kate for making them using sippy cups but yet they want her to treat them like babies in the next breath...

Darcy said...

3) If you drag a bunch of small kids into a bed store (and why would you?) it's obvious what the kids are going to want to do. Duh.

Oh I know! I have three kids and wouldn't even consider taking them to a furniture store if all of my attention was required for picking things out. My kids would be trying to climb all over things for sure.

FIONA said...

People criticize Kate for making them using sippy cups but yet they want her to treat them like babies in the next breath...



I get the feeling I am talking to a brick wall-sippy cups and bibs on 4 year old is a far cry different then protecting small children from themselves. The two have nothing to do with the other.

Sippy cups and bibs are developmental issues, and for Kate, I think it is all about the mess. Why she doesn't cover outlets, God only knows...perhaps it's along the same logic you use...they know better.

Anonymous said...

one more thing about kate's (and jon's) obsessions with traditional gender roles: the kind of beds! one set of beds "just look like a boy." another bed, with its sturdy bolts, wouldn't work for the little girls! jon, if he had the choice, would "get the girls white and the boys pine" beds.

ugh.

Anonymous said...

People criticize Kate for making them using sippy cups but yet they want her to treat them like babies in the next breath...

I think this is apples and oranges. Kate and Jon have said that the tups are destructive, act as a pack and break stuff. Maybe if they were supervised more, there wouldn't be so much "damage" or risk of serious injury to anyone involved? Making sure that the kids aren't breaking things (or their bones!) or keeping them safe isn't babying them -- it's being a responsible parent. I really think that having one 3.5 year old is vastly differnt than having 6 of the same, as well.

Anonymous said...

Quote from Dew's entry:
I feel like half of this is scripted and staged, because an episode in which they walk into a store, select beds right away, and walk out, I guess is not all that interesting. But maybe they would have been home before Collin started having his little bathroom issues.



It has never been about the kids, that is why it didn't matter if Collin had bathroom issues.

As for the trundle beds, Kate wanted to make sure she got as many freebies as she could. I don't think they got them for friends to stay over. I can't imagine anyone would let their children stay over night at J&K's and not know if their child's bathroom habits or sleeping habits would be filmed.

Anonymous said...

(Meaning I don't have my eyes on him but I could hear him if he needed me)"

There's the difference, I've noticed in many episodes that it doesn't matter if the kids are screaming or crying, I've noticed many times she doesn't react. So if something were to happen, and the camera crew wasn't in there (and I would hope they would interact if they saw something really bad happening, or I should say life threatening), who knows how long it would take her to come to the aid of whoever needed help. She seems to have blocked out their crying many times IMO.=0(

Anonymous said...

Dew's recap said: "Usually she wants them to stay perpetually fourteen months old and doesn't want to talk about any milestones. In fact, she thwarts milestones, or tries to. You will NOT potty train, you are a BABY!"

I don't think she has EVER said that they shouldn't potty train and remain babies in diapers. In fact, she seemed elated when they all were starting to potty train. I would be too if I had to change diapers every day for six kids. She has said she is sad that they aren't babies any more, but I think every mother feels a little pull when their babies start to grow up (I did).

Dew said...

"These children are plenty old enough to be downstairs within earshot of parents."

Well, I still disagree when it comes to these kids. At that age they were constantly pummeling each other and getting into mischief. However when they were upstairs Bob was WORKING, sawing, hammering and being very loud. How exactly was Kate supposed to hear them if there were an emergency over all the power sawing? Having them up there with Bob was downright reckless.

green said...

I felt upset for Collin that his mother, the nurse, placed a higher priority on choosing beds (something that could have been done over the internet or at home with the store’s catalog) than on focusing on him as he is crying and asking for her. Did her eyes leave the catalog at all? I felt upset for Collin that his father did not put his foot down and insist that the trip to the furniture store should be cut short so that Collin could be seen to. I wanted so much for Jon to just load those kids up in the van and tell Kate either come home with me now or come home with the camera crew later our son needs to go home and he needs you. I felt angry that the production crew did not say this episode can be filmed at another time let’s get Collin home.

nofantasy said...

That was a loathesome episode but, since it seems to come up a lot, I want to comment on this:
They call the move to their current house "temporary."

I did some researching and, according to public records, their house is approx. 1500 sq ft. I suspect that is just living space, so let's call it close to 2000 with the twins' new bedroom and the and finished portion of the basement.

I don't consider that to be a large house in any context but, given that they are a family of ten, calling it a "temporary" home seems totally reasonable.

Is there documentation about the house being paid for? I dislike spreading information like that without evidence.

Anonymous said...

I felt angry that the production crew did not say this episode can be filmed at another time let’s get Collin home.


Maybe they did...

Katie said...

I think most of you put too much emphasis on what's shown on the show. Let us not forget that what is shown is only a PORTION of what actually happened. Maybe the family had an outing to attend before/after the bed-choosing extravaganza? Maybe Collin's problems didn't really start/become noticable until they had already arrived? Perhaps those are the reasons that they took the kids? As for them being obsessed w/ gender identity, I think that's ridiculous. It sounded to me like they were just telling Joel he was a boy, I would probably do the same.

And now for the safety issue: My son will be 2 in September. I have no problems leaving him in the living room while I'm in the kitchen (2 rooms away) washing dishes, doing dinner, etc. I do not view it as a safety risk because our house is child-proof (yes, we cover our light switches). Do you think, perhaps, that they children's rooms are child-proof? That maybe the worst that could happen is they could fall off their beds (a whole 12 inches off the ground!!!)? I do not see a problem w/ leaving the kids on their own at all, and anyone who does either does not have children, or their children will grow up to have massive seperation anxiety because Mommy never left them alone long enough to experience anything, even if "anything" is falling of a bed.

And further more, does anyone know for SURE that they didn't pay for the beds? Does anyone had a receipt from the bed store that says "Donated" on the bottom where it would normally say "Paid"? I'm all about this blog - discussing how the show effects the kids, the weird things that Kate does, how Jon is a little bit of a wimp, etc. But let's not take it too far. I really don't think J&K expect someone to give them a house. I don't think Kate thinks so low of her children that she would bring Collin along w/ awful constipation. I don't think Kate is terrified that her son is gay so she tells him every day that he's a boy (which, by the way, doesn't even make since). I think some of you are so set on hating/disliking/disagreeing w/ her that you look for fault in EVERYTHING.

As for the sippy cups, I make me husband's 6 year old brother use one when he's here. I don't want grape juice stains on my carpets. And I'm sure that's their reasoning, too.

Lady Lou said...

Great assessement! I think this is the episode that really made me start to question Kate's behaviour.

Anonymous said...

"I don't want grape juice stains on my carpets."

Use white grape juice. No offense meant, but in all honesty I think a six-year-old is too old for a sippy cup.

Dew said...

"Maybe Collin's problems didn't really start/become noticable until they had already arrived?"

Not true. As I said in my recap, Kate and Jon admitted they noticed Collin was having problems at breakfast. Long before they ever went to the store. It wasn't like they got to the store and then, oh no Collin isn't feeling well. I think that's the worst part of this whole thing, is they dragged the kid along knowing full well he was in pain.

My recap is obviously a slight exaggeration and makes a few assumptions. It's my take on that episode, I am not asserting it as fact. Although I think we have plenty of information that proves that most of it is, in fact, facts. Most of which from Jon and Kate's own mouths.

Anonymous said...

"I've noticed in many episodes that it doesn't matter if the kids are screaming or crying, I've noticed many times she doesn't react. So if something were to happen, and the camera crew wasn't in there (and I would hope they would interact if they saw something really bad happening, or I should say life threatening), who knows how long it would take her to come to the aid of whoever needed help. She seems to have blocked out their crying many times" - Anon 11:36


There is a difference between a scream/ cry because of pain or I am hurt than a cry/ scream for attention. Parents know the difference...it's instinct. Also, with that many children, if one of the children would get actually hurt one of the others would go get mommy or scream. Also, on this episode the twins were with the kiddos most of the time...they are plenty old enough to "watch" their siblings. Not babysit, but just be there.

Dew said...

Seven year olds watching six three-year-olds? Not only is that incredibly unfair to the twins, but they're not NEARLY old enough to have the capacity to truly look after that many little children adequately. Otherwise people would hire seven-year-olds to babysit their children. But nobody does that, come on now. Usually parents like their babysitter to be at least thirteen or fourteen. And with sextuplets, I've never seen Kate leave them truly alone, i.e. adults completely out of the home, with anyone who wasn't an adult. With Carla's daughter and the younger teen babysitters, Kate or Jon are always nearby.

By the way, I didn't see Cara and Mady with the Tups in any case, either upstairs or downstairs. I think they were in school, not babysitting.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone noticed that their bedrooms look very stark and plain-looking, it's like they just moved in. I've seen hospital ICU rooms that look more welcoming and lived in.

Anonymous said...

IMO, the buying bed episode is a perfect example of how the children are being exploited/used for entertainment purposes and the self serving agenda of TLC and J & K. Specifically Collin in this episode. Clearly, Collin was miserable and in pain. Whether or not his 'problem' occurred before or after they arrived at the store is irrelevant to the fact that a production and camera crew continually followed this child throughout the store focusing on his pain and discomfort. Complete with close up footage of his back side as he walked! The episode took a disturbing turn when it shifted the focus of J & K buying beds for the tups to that of a 3 year old child breaking a sweat from discomfort and pain. Kate disregarding her child's immediate and much warranted needs because her time and attention in looking at a furniture catalog took presedence over that of her child. I will give Jon props for stepping in and handling the situation but it was not without the camera continuing to roll and Jon's detailed narration of how he assisted in removing his child's impacted bowel. If the intent of the episode footage was for viewers to feel sorry for Kate, or J & K for that matter because they have so many kids even a seeminly simple activity such as purchasing beds becomes chaotic and stressful. Well, TLC really missed the mark on this one. IMO, Collin was the true victim in this episode, and sadly so. Unbeknownst to him, TLC and his very own parents exploited him, his pain, and his dignity all for a means to their own end. In REALITY, J & K and the events surrounding this episode could have played out in a much better light. But if responsible choices were made, choices that were in the BEST interest in the overall welfare of the Gosselin CHILDREN , we wouldnt be talking about the J & K + 8 show. IMO, It is very apparant in this episode that J &K's reality is at the expense of their children, NOT in the BEST interest of.

Anonymous said...

It's one thing to have ONE 3-year old, but when you add 5 more, that is totally different!

How would you feel if you sent your child to a daycare and they had two 7-year olds watching your 3-year old along with 5 others...a little different right?!

Kate complains that they are destructive, well, watch them and teach them how to behave. Commmon sense.

K.C. said...

I actually FELT Collin's pain in this episode. I cringed over and over while they were in The Bedstead-especially when Kate was shifting Collin around on her lap! OUCH! Plus, I have no idea why she kept talking about rubbing his tummy, that isn't going to help his impacted bowel. What kind of nurse is she, Nurse Ratched? Poor, poor Collin.

BTW, I agree with the posts-something definitely 'feels' different here since the other threads closed.

albertagirl said...

I agree, with the threads being closed it feels like there are fewer and fewer avenues for voicing an opinion. Thank you GWOP for this.

MrsRef said...

I would not leave six 3 or 4 year olds out in the driveway/garage the way Kate does. She shuts the door - how would you hear them if there was a problem. Further, they are in the public eye. I would seriously be concerned about nut jobs showing up at my house. Those kids are way too friendly with strangers and a wacked fan would know their names and enough information to gain their trust. They are old enough to not be hitting each other so much at this age. They are way too unsupervised during playtime.

moi said...

Katie said, "I think most of you put too much emphasis on what's shown on the show. Let us not forget that what is shown is only a PORTION of what actually happened."
Great idea, Katie! Let's speculate! Maybe Kate drinks a lot off-camera. Maybe Jon has a WHOLE lot of private trainer lessons. Maybe Kate never kisses the boys good-night. Maybe Mady goes through a lot of crap every day in school, considering her moments that are shown on TV every week. Maybe, maybe, maybe ... It's interesting when this concept goes both ways, isn't it?

Kristyn said...

She never tried to delay their potty training. She decided to do half/half because it would be easier for *everyone*, YES particularly Kate, but it's much easier to pay attention and help three as opposed to six.

Also, I don't think her splitting the 'tups up at 3 has anything to do with her worries of them playing "doctor". Those rooms ARE large, but SIX beds in ONE room, when it is perfectly possible to split them up makes sense. I think it's ludicrous to assume that Jon and Kate thought that their children were going to start sexually exploring each other, and that was their motives for splitting them.

I'm not a Kate fan. However, i think people get caught up in the Kate drama and don't look at individual instances--sometimes a decision is just a decision, and there's no horrible, disgusting, abusive motives behind it.

Not a Sheeple said...

I would say that Kate delayed the boys to the extent that one or two showed interest at the time she was training the girl tups. It's part of Kate's rigidity that she couldn't revise her plan to say do two girls and one boy. That is do the ones who showed readiness and interest. Kate made up her mind beforehand and then one of the girls was still in pullups for naptime along with the boys.

So, yes, I think Kate delayed the boys by not making use of the interst that at least one boy showed. Was it horrible? Not at all. Would I have wanted to do six at a time? I doubt it. I did three at one time myself and it wasn't too bad. I had my friend's two boys and my daughter. I could have handled four OK. It wouldn't have been that much more work.

I think Kate gets mired in structured ideas and can't see things any other way.

I don't think Kate had any really negative thoughts separating the kids. It was time in her mind and in this case I agree with her. When they move out of cribs to beds is a good time to expand the room situation if you can. However, Kate had to express it poorly or perhaps make a fallen flat joke attempt about not sleeping with boys again until marriage. I'll go with the joke that didn't make it. :)

Anonymous said...

She did say the boys were not allowed in the girls room and visa versa. And even if the kids were playing doctor it's not that abnormal for little kids to do that either, it's just that we as adults don't want them doing it just like though little children tend to masturbate whenever, wherever we want to keep it out of the public. So joke that went bad or her kids are doing the normal kid stuff I don't know. I do know if it's normal kid stuff just changing to segregated rooms won't stop the behavior an adult has to keep an eye open and discuss that it's not appropriate.
I guess I'm just saying I'm not shocked if the kids were doing the show me yours and I'll show you mine. I think due to the rigid role gender things she says and does I also understand why she had to do separate girl and boy training but having potties all over the house has to have blown that because are they getting any privacy when they use the potty in the playroom or garage?

Anonymous said...

Huh, I'd thought it was Cara who'd been woken by the lights, and Mady who'd pointed out it was production? Eh, it's been a while since I've seen this episode - Anyway, thanks for the recap; I'd almost forgotten how stressful the bed purchasing had been to watch!

Anonymous said...

No offense but would you want to sleep in a room with 5 other people? I think the noise factor was a reason for splitting the kids up, it is also why Alexis sleeps in the basement (she keeps the other kids up).

Anonymous said...

Poor Colin deserved much better, kinder treatment. I would have thought that Kate and Jon would remember the Golden Rule. What kind of treatment would they want if they were ill? Would they want a camera focused on them if they had pain? It's not like the cameras were trained on Kate the night she had the "worst headache of her life;" the cameras didn't follow her to the bathroom as she vomited.

If Kate had felt the exact way that Colin did - with the same exact condition - would she have wanted a camera to follow her around? would she have wanted Jon to ignore her? would she have wanted a camera to see how she walked as she attempted to find some comfortable position? would she have wanted a camera to follow her to the bathroom and had a voice-over narrate how the condition was relieved?

If the answer is no -- and I suspect it would be -- then why on earth would you do that to a child??

Anonymous said...

"Kate and Jon admitted they noticed Collin was having problems at breakfast. Long before they ever went to the store. It wasn't like they got to the store and then, oh no Collin isn't feeling well. I think that's the worst part of this whole thing, is they dragged the kid along knowing full well he was in pain."

The demands of the production schedule overrode the needs of their son. Cut to the chase, pure and simple. They knew he was in pain, Figure 8 said jump and they obliged. Aa a previous poster said, Collin is the victim in this episode. The camera exploited his pain, his mother ignored his distress, and both his parents allowed the cameras to film his malaise in excrutiating detail right down to its infamous resolution.

Same thing for all eight kids being dragged to the store - Figure 8 saw an opportunity for high drama and the Gosslins went along. Gotta keep those ratings up to keep the cash rolling in. The show must go on.

Bicoastal said...

In defense of the tups still using sippy cups, Katie wrote " As for the sippy cups, I make me husband's 6 year old brother use one when he's here. I don't want grape juice stains on my carpets."

Your husband has a six year-old brother?? who drinks from a sippy cup???

Hey TLC, I think I've got an idea for a new series about another interesting family ...

K.C. said...

The Truth Will Set You Free said...
"TLC may take up the bill for Jon and Kate so essentially it is free for them, but that would not be a product placement, someone had to pay and the company did get money."

This is true. During the 1st and maybe 2nd season, I don't think they were making much money per episode. The big draw was getting whatever they wanted/needed for free. Everything you see them do or buy is paid for by the show. They basically gave the show a wishlist, got what they wanted, and worked it into an episode. Now I don't have the "receipts" to prove this, but that's what I've been told. They aren't paying for it out of their own money in any way. It is part of the production costs or budget for that episode. They want teeth whitening, Jon wants hair plugs- we'll make it an episode. Where do you want to go? Let's make it an episode. I'll bet Kate has always wanted to go to Hawaii. Sounds like fun to me!

There is also product placement, which is different. We've all seen the kids in Gap and Gymboree clothing. They get what they want for free, and then they wear it on the show as advertising. We've seen Juicy Juice and J&J products. They get paid to have those products on the show.

July 17, 2008 7:24 AM


IMO this just reinforces the fact that the free beds were more important to them than Collin being sick. God forbid they missed their opportunity to get some free beds!