Embarrassing and Favorite Moments

TLC is airing a new Jon & Kate Plus 8 episode tomorrow night (Monday July 21st) -- a 30-minute feature starting at 9:00 p.m. Eastern titled Embarrassing and Favorite Moments:
Jon and Kate remember their more embarrassing moments, even ones they wish weren't caught on tape. They also remember some of their more favorite moments they've had with their kids.

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WatchOverThem said...

I'll be grabbing popcorn, beverage and favorite chair. Will ARE Kate admit anything embarrassing? I will wait to see what kinds of things JON did that was just too embarrassing for her to deal with. This episode could easily lead to some sort of drinking game!!!!!!!!!

Maggie said...

I am sure Kate will admit to lots of embarrassing things. They just will involve her husband and children.

If Kate does anything that might be considered embarrassing, she will point out how it is someone elses fault.

Anonymous said...

WOW. Talk about irony. And perfect timing.
After this week's fiasco, whatever qualifies as "embarrassing moments" to J & K will be negligable. Can't wait for this one.

minxie said...

maggie said...
I am sure Kate will admit to lots of embarrassing things. They just will involve her husband and children.
________________

Yes. She doesn't understand what is truly embarrassing: Hand claps, "Hellloooww", fractured grammar, sulking at the cupcake shop, greeting prospective cleaning ladies with a limp cold handshake, greeting prospective nannies with a cold stare, crying on the plane, "I'm exhausted", taking silly baby steps on the ice skating rink as if she were on some death march, hitting Jon, saying she "doesn't have time" to tuck her hair behind her ears, sitting on her butt in a plastic chair, Knobgate, Beargate, Gumgate, Cupcakegate, having the ice cream meltdown at Disney......and on and on and on. The clips they'll run--if they involve her at all--will show something superficial like her pre-surgery tummy, not the REALLY mortifying stuff that makes everybody cringe.

Anonymous said...

Well I for one can't wait to see those embarrassing moments! But as a reminder, nothing is embarrassing unless it is approved by Jon and Kate.

Anonymous said...

Yes, indeedy - as toxic as these two are and as despicable and unsavory their behavior is - I look forward to the ongoing Monday night train wreck. I just can't help myself.

FIONA said...

These comments are priceless and we have not even seen the show!!!

There are SO many moments-is this a Part 1 of 10?

Lipstick girl said...

I have a feeling that we will be seeing Part Two- Embarrassing and Favorite Moments this time next year.Would have love to have been a fly on the wall this weekend in their house.

Anonymous said...

Going over all the posts about Kate's oppsessivness with stain removal reminds me of a play... Maybe y'all have heard of it? It's Macbeth...you know the one where Lady Macbeth says out damn spot while rubbing her hands because she thinks she has blood on them but doesn't really have blood on them...just the subconscienceness of having convinced her husband to murder to become king and queen.

Fie to you, Lady Gosselin!

Anonymous said...

So far she hasn't been wrong at all - it's Jon's fault that she acted liked an idoit in TRU. She ia always stressed - she calls Jon like he is a puppy.

miemic said...

HOLY backtracking. Let's get this straight. When Jon is wrong, it's Jon's fault. When Kate is wrong, it's Jon's fault.

You could cut the tension with a knife.

Pass the popcorn!

Jen said...

How did I call this one....has she actually been wrong about anything yet without it being somehow someone else's fault? She just went on like a two-minute rant!

I'm reserving total judgment until after its over in case they actually do own up to something big, but so far I wouldn't out money on it!

Anon2967 said...

Did she just call herself Madi dramatic???
I hope I misheard that one!
I think they should do this live, they should tell the producers what they want on film, and what they are saying on the couch live. Wouldn't that be interesting?

Lola said...

Yes. She doesn't understand what is truly embarrassing: Hand claps, "Hellloooww", fractured grammar, sulking at the cupcake shop, greeting prospective cleaning ladies with a limp cold handshake, greeting prospective nannies with a cold stare, crying on the plane, "I'm exhausted", taking silly baby steps on the ice skating rink as if she were on some death march, hitting Jon, saying she "doesn't have time" to tuck her hair behind her ears, sitting on her butt in a plastic chair, Knobgate, Beargate, Gumgate, Cupcakegate, having the ice cream meltdown at Disney......and on and on and on.


Is this all really *that* abnormal? Most mothers I know have meltdowns and I know for a fact that if I were trapped on a plane with 8 (EIGHT) small children for 4 hours I would be crying too.

I don't understand why so many of you are so harsh on her - its all character attacks, IMO. You don't act like that? Fine. But not everyone acts/reacts to situations in the same way.

Carrie said...

Is it just me, or is Jon appearing more pi**ed off as the episode continues? I'm expecting him to just get up and walk away in a second!

Anonymous said...

Jon's job is "to protect her"? At all times. On call. No overtime. AND, No one helps her? He's a "typical man"? She's out and out crazy. I can't believe he doesn't slap at her. That's admirable (and no, I don't endorse violence).

miemic said...

Sorry to keep posting, but my computer is right next to my T.V....

This. Is. Priceless. My 8-year-old (one of my twins) said "he just stares at the camera and never stops". Even she can see it!

I cannot wait to read the recaps and comments. I wish I were as witty as some and could think of something clever to say, but it's like my brain in on overload.

Too. Much. Material.

Jen said...

I hate to say it, but the look on Jon's face is making me feel sorry for him. I've gone from completely blaming Kate, to blaming him for being a co-conspirator, to now blaming Kate again. Even in front of people, the crew, the cameras and the world she is tearing him apart...can you imagine what she is like when they are alone? Yikes!

Autumnn said...

I have no words.

Kate outdid herself in this episode.

minxie said...

That was PAINFUL. Despite the lighthearted music the whole episode was embarrassing, all right--embarrassing that this woman is so narcissistic and clueless. Ugh, how is this supposed to be entertaining? Did their new PR firm make them do this?

moi said...

Jon
is
officially
checked
out.
Done.

Anonymous said...

If Kate acts like a total and complete idiot then it's Jon's fault for not dashing over and saying "How can I help you?" when he sees her start to melt down? OMG. What planet is that woman from?

Does Producer Jen set Kate up or does this ridiculous stuff just come out of Kate's mouth without prompting?

Shannon said...

Each week the interview process gets more and more uncomfortable I think. Jon really seems like he cant stand the way she is, and I doubt he thinks she a good mom. But hes the one thats "wrong" all the time so you know she dosent care what he thinks.

Anonymous said...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a few weeks ago I was on TLC's site reading about future episodes. I could've sworn that the Embarrassing & Favorite Moments episode summary said something along the lines of Kate having never before seen plastic surgery. Am I wrong or did they just decide not to show any more self indulgences?

Bohemianmoon said...

OH GOOD Lord and for the love of no-fault baby Jesus!

I am Gobsmacked..........I am not a Jon defender, but I truly felt sorry for him.

I wonder at any point he stood up and left the couch and they didn't show that on film.

I would have been out the freakin door, children in tow, 5 minutes in.

seashell said...

Wow. Just wow.

Every embarrassing moment of Kate's was somehow Jon's fault. Imagine that.

The comtempt he feels for her is palpable. I cannot imagine the tension in that house when the cameras are off.

The gravy train is derailing rapidly.

Anonymous said...

Oh my goodness. She said about 5 times that he is a child, acts like a child, doesn't help her, and on and on. Jon helps out more than most husbands I would venture to say.
When Jon made the stick comment, even in the original episode, he was very apologetic. (and Lordy Be, it was a true and fitting comment) Kate lectured him tonight for it, then lectured him for HER embarrassing moments. Somehow, it's all his fault. And not one shred of humility or contrition for any of her rudeness.
I thought, good for Jon for biting his tongue for most of that episode. There is a time and place to preach at your spouse, and TV is not one of them.
She was a piece of work.
to lola:
Yes, most moms have tons of embarrassing moments, and luckily they aren't caught on tv. Even in retrospect though, Kate defends herself and blames Jon. That's the difference. She sees nothing wrong with it except that people have called her on it.

Carrie said...

Remember when they did the "Discipline" episode and Kate was talking about one of the boys who would just zone out whenever she was correcting him? Well, I just learned where he got that from. I spent the last half-hour watching that same look on Jon's face. He doesn't look like he even tries anymore to reason with her. Instead, he just sits there and daydreams about going golfing or hanging out with his trainer until Kate is done with her rant. To be honest, it's very uncomfortable to watch because you are seeing the implosion of a marriage right on your TV screen, and no one is doing anything to stop it. Jen seemed more amused than anything!!!! It was just sad.

Anonymous said...

I was embarrassed for Kate. Why should Jon be the one to make everything okay when Kate spazzes out? What's wrong with her?

My husband most definitely wouldn't put up with me doing 1/4 of the stuff Kate does, and I'm glad of it.

Jon did look pissed today.

I did kind of like him when he was genuinely laughing though - you could see a nice side of Jon.

To bad that the famewhoring will forever color my opinion of him.

Jen said...

I'm so glad my husband isn't home because if he was home tonight and happened to see ANY of this episode, he'd be on a rant of Kate-like proportions! My husband can't stand Jon because he doesn't stand up for himself and that drives him crazy!

Jon looked like he was ready to just explode. He has more restraint than I do. I was glad he said the things he said, but he really needs to start laying it on the line more. This episode ranged from whipping boy to man on the edge....I was horrified!

Anonymous said...

I thought it was telling at the end of the episode when he didn't answer her questions about whether he loved her or not. And whilst I don't agree with what they do as a couple to decieve the public and to their children - I did feel sorry for Jon. She blames him for everything.

Anonymous said...

I think it was very telling that she was holding his arm at the end, basically begging him to say he loved her...and he didn't. :(

WatchOverThem said...

What did Kate say at the end of what had to be HOURS of filming to get this episodes' couch interview?

Something about the counseling session material and asked Jon; "Now, do you love me more?"

:::crickets:::

Such pretentious, narrow minded and selfish behavior.

Anonymous said...

I believe Jen set this up. She knew how Kate was going to react. Jon was caught off guard. You could hear someone(Jen?) in the background egging them on.

Anonymous said...

This is my very first posting on a blog. I was a long-time lurker on the TwoP forum until they shut it down and then I found this blog. I so glad I'm not the only one who believes this woman is wacked. This episode was soooo hard to watch. I cannot believe how selfish this woman is. I truly felt bad for Jon as she just belittled him over and over again. That has to take a toll on any person. This show was their "Most Embarrassing Moment".

Anonymous said...

Embarassing moments should be funny little moments that you can usually look back and laugh about and say..."I can't BELIEVE that I did that!!" It should be fun to look back and say, "I'm so sorry that happened. I can't believe I did that". This episode was no where close to being funny/apologetic. It was uncomfortable to watch and had me gasping.

Anna said...

This was not a flatering episode for Kate. It really makes me think that the producers of this show have it out for her.

Really, everything isn't Jon's fault. But the thing that floored me was when she said "I have no help" or something along those lines. Ummm...you have some fold your laundry, put it away, clean your house, watch your children, and Jon does bath and bedtime. I call that help.

Maggie said...

As predicted. I am glad that this thread was shut off before the show, because several of us had posted, and predicted the episode. Next would have come the "how can you be so mean you haven't even seen the episode" comments.

Ok, we have seen it, were we wrong? This is now so predictable, Kate is the only one who doesn't get the clue.

Lola said...

Really, everything isn't Jon's fault. But the thing that floored me was when she said "I have no help" or something along those lines. Ummm...you have some fold your laundry, put it away, clean your house, watch your children, and Jon does bath and bedtime. I call that help.



This, I agree with and I'm very happy that Jon called her on it. I couldn't *believe* that she tried to say she had no help. Jon (and many others) help her out alot.

FIONA said...

I disagree about Jon. I think he was being sooo passive-aggressive.

It's like he is totally reacting to blogger comments. It seems like it is almost a sick game with...Really.

I get more uncomfortable each time I watch the show. It's like I feel like I know TOO much. I feel kindof creepy right now, if that makes any sense at all.

Kate never ceases to make my jaw drop-truly. She took NO blame whatsoever. I was like, WTF, Kate!!!!

I think Jon could care less how she comes off, and I don't think Jen gives a shit either.

Everybody is making fun of them.

Jen said...

I know I've commented a million times already, but I can't stop thinking about this. How do you talk to your husband like that? I mean really, how do you do that?

Can you imagine if he was the harping, critical, condescending one in the chair? He could NEVER get away with saying the stuff she says to him. If you love someone, and I mean truly love and respect them, you don't humiliate them to make yourself look better. You don't belittle them to the point where you know people are talking about his lack of reaction. How embarassing for Jon and really for Kate too.

I don't care how much she says, "This is just us...this is the way we communicate" because eventually every kicked puppy bites back. And that's what Jon looks like...he looks like he's just kicked down.

I love my husband so much that I would NEVER think to do anything as horrid to him as Kate did to Jon tonight. If Jon is reading this, and who knows, maybe he is, as much as I disagree with you for going along with all of this stuff that is detrimental to your kids (and it is, by the way!) I feel sorry for you and wish you would stand up for yourself.

To my fellow commenters...it's like we're on the same road watching the same trainwreck and we just can't look away isn't it? This episode was SO negative, that as much as I watch it as a "watchdog" I realized that this show actually takes away so much from my life in that I feel horrible after watching it EVERY TIME! There's nothing redeeming about it anymore. It's just one big bitchfest from Kate every episode, and life is too short to watch this nutjob ruin everything good in her life piece by piece.

renee said...

I was confused why they kept blathering on about the stick comment. Sure, maybe it's not so nice but it wasn't a gratuitous comment. Kate kept saying "He never says that. That was the first time he said that." Well yeah, it's not like people going around saying it all the time, it's just a passing comment. And Jon acted like it was the worst offense ever! Get over it already.

They said the twins were four when they started and the girls were so much more advanced at four than the sextuplets are.

Anonymous said...

Kate: Do you still love me? Huh?
Jon: Wait until the tape runs out.

Indeed. Maybe when the "tape runs out" for good, Jon will too.

Anonymous said...

It makes me sad for Kate. Personally, I don't see a selfish person at all. I think she is a hurt, damaged child under her nasty comments and pleading for attention. I see someone who is completely overwhelmed, that loves her children but realizes she has regrets about her decisions that brought them here - and with that, guilt over thinking that because she does love her kids.

I hope she gets the help she needs so their family can get some semblance of peace.

Anonymous said...

Run, Jon, Run! That's what I wanted to say through this whole episode. As others have said Kate really thinks nothing is her fault. And Jon is expected to just know what to do and how to do it and of course he never ever helps- BS!!!! I call fowl! If Jon can get away he should! I think any judge would award him custody too- just have to show the show to the judge as evidence! Then Kate can go back to "nursing" and pay him child support. (I ""'ed nursing because I do not see how she could ever nurse anyone since all she cares about is herself.)

What she does is abuse to the kids and to Jon. Now don't get me wrong, Jon does have his faults too- however I think his are more of a reactionary type from being around/with Kate.

Can anyone get K-fed's lawyer on the phone for Jon?!

Anonymous said...

I agree with all of the above posters. Jon has most certainly "left the building" mentally at this point.

Kate is a loon, and Jon is a wimp. But I do believe that under all of the aquisitiveness and manipulation, that they are good people. They are just moving further and further from reality. I guess that is what fame does to a person.

bigsis88 said...

I really enjoy reading the comments on this site, but I haven't felt the need to comment until tonight. Even though I think Jon and Kate are equally culpable for their current situation, I felt bad when she was ranting and raving about how he doesn't help her. That had to have stung, especially since we have already seen evidence of Jon spending time with and taking care of his children. Her defensiveness only makes her look worse. An adult should be able to admit when he/she is wrong. I also thought it was telling that Jon didn't say that he loved her when she asked. I think that was his way of getting back at her for harping on him throughout this episode.
Does anyone else think Jon's comment about donating the striped sweater to Goodwill was damage control?

Anonymous said...

Way back on the TWOP board, someone commented that Jon and Kate were "in on the joke"? and were laughing at the viewers behind the scenes? I guess that referred to their chef, gardener, and oodles of money coming in from love offerings.

As fiona said, now everybody is making fun of them. We're in on the joke too, it's not one sided anymore.

No one has even mentioned the cute moments of the kids yet, probably because we are all picking our jaws up off the floor at Kate's Gall!

Jen said...

Personally, I don't see a selfish person at all. I think she is a hurt, damaged child under her nasty comments and pleading for attention.

I agree that she's likely had some damage done, maybe a childhood issue, but you know what...eventually, when you decide to have kids, you need to make peace with your past and buck up and be the grown-up.

I did that, I know many others who have and you have to put your kids and husband and your respect and love for them ahead of your own childhood issues. Otherwise you're a slave to them forever, and whomever did whatever they did to you wins.

If Kate has issues, not entirely of her own making, then maybe that explains the genesis of these problems, but eventually you have to take responsibility for your own actions and consequences for those actions.

I feel sorry for her in that I can see her destroying everything good in her life, but I don't feel sorry for her not taking steps to stop it.

Anon1967 said...

I also liked the parts where Jon was laughing, it seemed like those parts Kate seemed to want to gloss over though. It was nice to see the sparkle back in his eyes again, and when he was talking about his children.

Anonymous said...

I also think the production people did this on purpose. It is probably someones full time job to surf the internet, reading all the blogs, etc written about them and this episode was the result of their findings.

LALA said...

bigsis88 said...
Does anyone else think Jon's comment about donating the striped sweater to Goodwill was damage control?

I thought the same thing. Kate also mentioned that some people thought she purposely got the sunburn in Florida. Obviously, any efforts in damage control were completely overshadowed by tonights uncomfortable and embarrassing trainwreck.

Anonymous said...

I think Jon will leave Kate either once the show is ended or the kids are older (maybe teens?). He may wait until they all are out of the house... but there has been way too many times that one of the kids asks or thinks/says something like is daddy coming back or is daddy running away? There was a rerun on today when Jon ran after a ball down the street (garage epi I think) and he said if he was to run away he wouldn't really run he would take a vehicle... there's been quite a few times it is mentioned about Jon leaving or running off makes me wonder how often its said when they're not filming?

I think in all the footage I have seen Jon say 'I love you' to Kate maybe once and I think that was on pre-tup footage.

I don't think Jon actually loves Kate now. At the very least he is not 'in love' with her. I think he is fed up and just sticking it out for the kids. Maybe once the kids are a little older Jon will 'run away' with them and get them all help. Kate is toxic.

Anonymous said...

"I feel sorry for her in that I can see her destroying everything good in her life, but I don't feel sorry for her not taking steps to stop it."

Totally. That's why I said I hope she gets the help she needs, for her family. Personally, I think she was doing much better without the production company putting her into the situations that clearly make her uncomfortable and egg on the dramatic behavior - I mean really, who goes to Toys R Us with 8 kids!?! I'm quite certain she wouldn't have chosen that on her own.

Also, I never realized how much the production company had a say in their "real" lives - Jon's beard! For real? He wasn't ALLOWED to shave it off???

Anonymous said...

Was this episode part of the new season episodes? IMO, it was obviously a filler episode with nothing but seen over and over again footage with the addition of some pre taped J & K couch narration . Kate made a mention that the tups were almost 4 so the time of fliming was prior to them turning 4. This episode must have been filmed while J & K were on hiatus moving in to their new McMansion or while they were out passing the love offering plate to pay for it.
Observations: I do give Jon credit for at least owning up to HIS embarassing moments. Kate is another story. Although she admitted to her moment(s) as being embarrassing,however IMO more so to her ego and image then anything else. She certainly made no admission to nor claimed any personal responsibility for her poor choice in words or actions/reactions. In her justification, her embarrassing moments were a direct result of the incompetence, failure to communicate, and immature behavior on the part of someone else, ie Jon. Also, I have come to realize that the reason why Kate does a good majority of all the talking and is constantly interupting Jon. Kate is the one responsible to keep all the stories straight. If Jon talks too much, he just might actually speak with an element of fact and truth. Where as Kate, in typical habitual liar form, is one step ahead with an answer in order to maintain the illusion.
This show is becoming more and more redundant with the constant airing of reruns and the already seen before filler footage in the new episodes. The Gosselins are so four years ago, time to pack up the bibs and move on TLC!

Anonymous said...

Jon is not going anywhere. This is the price he is paying for the big bucks.
I, for one, do not feel sorry for him. He is co-conspirator in this scam.

AireZoe said...

Does anyone else think Jon's comment about donating the striped sweater to Goodwill was damage control?

I thought a lot of tonight was damage control. I lost count of the episodes they referred to that have been dissected and commented on here and at TWoP. They were attempting a back-spin - oh, it's not like you think it was ... Or, let me tell you what really happened.

FIONA said...

It makes me sad for Kate. Personally, I don't see a selfish person at all. I think she is a hurt, damaged child under her nasty comments and pleading for attention. I see someone who is completely overwhelmed, that loves her children but realizes she has regrets about her decisions that brought them here - and with that, guilt over thinking that because she does love her kids.

I hope she gets the help she needs so their family can get some semblance of peace.



I really wish that I believed that, don't we all?

I just don't see that emotion in her.

I have never observed anyone so devoid of emotion, and I am beginning to wonder if she is fixable.

Anonymous said...

This episode really brought out how differently Jon and Kate behave from when the show first started. They used to laugh and show affection to each other. Now there is resentment oozing out of Jon's every pore and Kate's begging him to still love her despite her horrible behavior. She is ruining her relationship in front of all of America. If she and Jon ever divorce, her kids will look at that footage and blame their mother for it. I thought this would be a perfect opportunity for a little damage control about the ice cream incident. A reasonable person would have said "I was so silly, I really overreacted on that one". But not Kate. She really made herself look like an even bigger ass with her comments. I can't imagine what she's like when the camera is off. Those last few minutes of the interview where the most uncomfortable moments I've ever witnessed on television. Sad. So sad.

bohemianmoon said...

Anon 7:22 said:

Personally, I think she was doing much better without the production company putting her into the situations that clearly make her uncomfortable and egg on the dramatic behavior - I mean really, who goes to Toys R Us with 8 kids!?! I'm quite certain she wouldn't have chosen that on her own.

She DID choose it. Any way you want to dice it, the two of them have chosen this every step of the way.

Anonymous said...

I'm guilty-I lovingly did all of the pre-bedtime routine, tucked my sweeties in, and then made a 007 extra dirty martini to park myself down on the couch with for the trainwreck. Queen of the Shrews looks sooooooooooo tired...I am behind the times and don't have tivo, so I sat there with a pen and paper(I know), and by the first commercial I had a NOVEL. I am debating spending an hour here detailing my notes versus just skipping it because all of you know, but I HAVE TO COMMENT ON THE SUNBURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kate said, as in she has actually seen some comments on this blog; "No, I did not do it on purpose" referring to herself as "Mady Dramatic"-she looks like she has aged years in this episode.I am too spent just watching it (and then the rerun of Utah), but maybe tomorrow a.m. with a cup of joe I will look forward to comparing notes...

Anonymous said...

I was so sure that one of the "oops" moments would have been the way Kate treated the crew members wo were installing the blinds. I was embarassed just watching that episode! She really treated the crew members like her own personal serfs, tending her manor! But, I was wrong. Only Jon can be embarrassing, because he just MAKES her behave badly, and it's ALL his fault.
Yeah, right.

K.C. said...

FIONA said...

I have never observed anyone so devoid of emotion, and I am beginning to wonder if she is fixable.


I agree, Kate seems very lost...

(IMO) Kate was playing a character at first but somewhere along the line Kate has become the character. (IMO) She is honestly convinced that her "embarrasing moments" were Jon's fault! I think she really believes that if Jon would just ask what he could do to help her she would not "have to" freak out like that.

Yes, the sweater comment seemed like damage control to me too.

wilma said...

Okay I have to admit I haven't really watched any episodes I just have read the reviews. I grew up with a very dysfunctional mom & dad and I am still dealing with the outcome. So tonight I wanted to watch the new episode but I was late and watched the birthday of Madi and Cara. OMG...she is awful. Does she not think that the girls will be hurt by her comments. "Jon what word do we use to describe M", "I hope I am not here when the girls are teenagers". It is one thing maybe to say that to a girlfriend without the kids around. But to say it on "home memories"!?!?! Another thing she is snarky abt the long sleeve tshirts someone handmade because it is 80-90 degrees. I live in S. Florida and I wore a long sleeve shirt yesterday. There are nights (and days) when you will be in air conditioning and you need a long sleeve shirt. I no longer speak to my folks and it saddens me to think that those kids will do the same. I thank god for my sister and thank goodness they will have lots to stay close to.

Anonymous said...

"Personally, I don't see a selfish person at all. I think she is a hurt, damaged child under her nasty comments and pleading for attention.

I agree that she's likely had some damage done, maybe a childhood issue, but you know what...eventually, when you decide to have kids, you need to make peace with your past and buck up and be the grown-up."

Exactly! If she has been "damaged" she needs to get some help and break the cycle because all she's doing is perpetuating the bad behavior. She shouldn't excuse how she acts so that one day her kids will excuse THEIR behavior on the fact that they had a crazy Mom. It still doesn't give her the right to mistreat others. I have some family members who are similar to Kate and I get tired of them excusing their behavior on the bad things that happened to them. I'll tolerate it for awhile but after awhile its just an excuse!

Anonymous said...

Wow the body language is getting worse too. What was the statement she made, "A husband who loves his wife..."
Helloooooo, that said a lot. I don't think train wreck even discribes this show anymore.
I felt sorry for Jon too. The poor guy is stuck.

Anonymous said...

I believe Jon suggested that Kate pull the stick out. You pretty much know from where.

Appropriate to say to her on tv? Sure, after all the abuse we've seen her heap on him, and who knows what she says when cameras aren't on.

queenie said...

On a brief note, I hope that was not their idea of damage control, because they SUCK at it.

AmandaT said...

"When are you going to take the stick out?!" Back in the day when I used to like Kate, my husband could never stand her. We both got a kick out of that clip.

Fiona, I completely agree. This is so much a reaction to what is going on online. Especially the, "I didn't get a sunburn on purpose."

The show has gone from a glimpse into their lives to their lives revolving around the show. So much of it now is just a reaction to what is said about them. Nothing really about what life would really be like if you had eight kids.

And Kate doesn't have any help?! I would love for her to swap with me for one week. I have a darling 15 month old who climbs and does not yet sleep through the night. The swap of course would be theoretical - I would not trust my little one to her care. She might put him in the corner if he missed me.

To another poster who commented on her own childhood: she has stated several times that she had very limited outings and was "over-disciplined" as a child.

Anonymous said...

One of the things I used to like about the show in the beginning was those little moments where in the midst of all the chaos of the kids something would happen that would show how much they cared about each other. Tonight, I could almost cry over the obvious change in their relationship. Even if a lot of the way she came across was from editing, the part we did see was painful and pathetic. We are seeing the crumbling of a marriage before our eyes and that is really sad.

You know, I really do think Jon is emotionally abused and I can think of 8 good reasons he stays and doesn't really push his issues with Kate. If they got divorced, gone would be the show, the speaking engagements, the hired help. Kate has alienated him from his family (and I guess friends since he doesn't seem to have any anymore) so he has no emotional support system. He wouldn't want to let Kate have physical custody because of the way he is, but if he goes back to work, how would he support and care for all the kids on his salary? His whole salary would go to daycare!

Kate needs counseling, and Jon probably does too so that he can learn how to stand up to her.

On the plus side, there were some really cute little moments with the kids. I wish they would have asked the twins what their favorite moments were as well.

Darcy said...

I'm probably as supportive of J&K as one can get on this blog and even I was cringing tonight. KATE, can't you at least pretend to be a nice, sweet wife?? Who acts like that? On tv no less!!

Poor Jon. He seemed to be very sorry about the stick comment, which someone should be sorry about saying to their spouse on TV... but... all the things Kate should've been equally sorry about, embarassing him in public continually... she acted like it was totally justified.

PLUS what was with her calling him a child because he was playing with the toys?? The way I saw it he was playing with the kids. It's not like he was parked in an aisle playing with a gameboy while the kids ran wild. Give me a break lady!

My husband kept saying "What's up with her face?! Did she have something done?"

I think Jon loves Kate but I think she's really starting to get to him!! I was uncomfortable watching.

Shannon said...

I agree this episode was bad, but werent the kids memories so cute!! The one of Alexis in her crib as a baby saying "mommy" "mommy". How can Kate watch that and not feel soooo bad for leaving her small 8 kids to have plastic surgery. Those kids are all adorable and Jon and Kate are totally missing it.....

Anonymous said...

"How can Kate watch that and not feel soooo bad for leaving her small 8 kids to have plastic surgery."

I'm sorry, I love my kids but if somebody offered me a free tummy tuck I'd be wiping my tears from the window seat on the airplane.

Carla said...

Anonymous 7:23 said: Also, I have come to realize that the reason why Kate does a good majority of all the talking and is constantly interrupting Jon. Kate is the one responsible to keep all the stories straight.

Absolutely! She does that with the whole family. Like when she cut off Leah? When the little tyke was speaking up about requesting a small, family birthday party. She hushes them up when they are about to let out a little info that wouldn't mesh with the lies.

Like tonight, when they were counting how many times she's yelled across a store at him and it came down to that she hasn't yelled in days. Then Jon mentions she hasn't been home in three days. Ha, she just glared at him. But she's exhausted, never gets a break, she's a regular SAHM of 8 children!!! You can't say she's been GONE for 3 days! Good one, Jon.

Tiffani said...

I'm 7 minutes into the episode and I already want to scream. She needs that big a** purse for all her flying monkeys. Quick, somebody get a bucket of water!

Nikki said...

Just a few observations that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet...

When they were rehashing the Toys R Us "incident", Kate asked Jon: In the recent days have I done that? (yelling across the store), and Jon says: In the recent days? No. And then he mumbles what sounds like: We've been away for 3 days.

Did anyone else hear the "ca-ching" in the background?

Also, I had a WTF moment when I heard Kate say that the tups 3rd birthday celebration was one of her favorite moments. Why? "I like what I say at the end." WTF? And she says that the statment she made at the end explains why she does what she does with the whole big birthday celebration. But, wait....there wasn't one this year. (And yes, I caught the tups were almost 4 as well - change of plans with the birthday "sha-bang"??)

Okay, last one, and I'm done... At the end of the episode when Kate asks Jon: Do you love me more now? Jon shook his head, but then looked like he caught himself. I couldn't believe it the first time I saw it, so I rewatched it. I suppose it could be in a playful, joking way, but at first glance - it certainly looked like an "oops".

They should've titled this episode "Kate talks at Jon for 30 minutes straight (and every once in a while we'll show a clip of kid)"

Craziness.

bethanna said...

Oh, my. How can Jon sit and take that sort of disrespect? I'm not one of those women who believes you're supposed to be submissive to your husband, but I am the kind who believes that marriage is built on mutual respect. Kate is horrible to Jon. She has no desire to change, either. That is evident from the immense effort she puts into defending her poor behavior and demeaning manner. How can the production company, and the channel, push this as family friendly television? This is a mini-series on how to end up divorced.

The sunburn is a ridiculous example of her bad attitude. If you know that you're going to burn, as she says she does, then put some flippin' sun screan on. I don't think Kate understands what people are saying when they say she does these things intently. Well, Kate...non-action is action. The things you choose not to do are just as much choices of what you doesn't do.

Her little tantrum about HIS CHOICE to be embarassed. LADY! You are completely out there. Saying Jon never helps...what the hell? This is bad. She is awful.

And, why is every freakin' memorable moment with the kids related to poop or stains?

Anonymous said...

I was watching this episode and didn't have to watch much before I found myself saying outloud, "Oh Lordy Be, GWOP is going to have a field day with Kate on this one." And rightly so.

I have resolved to pray earnestly for this family and especially for Jon and Kate's marriage. At this point I think only devine intervention will help because if the Lord can part the Red Sea, then surely he can part the stick from Kate's ass.

Maggie said...

Aww Kate, you almost gave Jon a compliment! You said that you weren't that great about fitting things into boxes and making things fit. But then ya just had to go and ruin it, and say how HAPPY you were that Jon got it wrong. Of course he did! You can't ever say he did anything right, and you got PLEASURE from the fact! You freak!

It is a stupid box of stolen pinecones from a National park, that they have obviously done nothing with. Make them into Christmas ornaments. Let the children put glue and glitter on them and hang them from the tree and cherish your stolen treasures. Oh, that would require a possible mess!

"No one helps me, DID I JUST SAY THAT"? Yes you did Kate, and the whole nation saw and heard it.

sabrinasmom said...

Two words that prove that this show is FAKE - from Jon's mouth!

"For Continuity"

Jon had a beard for a "whole season" for continuity. I don't remember that many episodes with the beard. Cut and Paste.

Holy batman - did you catch the one shot before hair plugs - I turned to my husband and I was like "jeez he's REALLY bald".

"For Continuity!"

green said...

Wow . . . there are no words. This episode is a train wreck with the “it’s not my fault it’s yours” excuses, the hostility, the body language, the passive aggressiveness, the rage, the defensiveness all in a half hour time slot. I felt uncomfortable watching this. I felt I should look away, but I couldn’t. How can Jon just sit there and week after week get belittled and ridiculed on national television? I assign blame to the both of them for where they are now, but I felt so bad for Jon tonight. Kate was just twisting and turning her truth. It was bizarre.
At Toys R Us, even thought it sounded like she yelled from heaven, and the entire earth heard her, that’s not true.
Even though everyone around her heard her, Kate wasn’t yelling since the people in the next building couldn’t hear her.
There were “2,000 people” at the Crayola Factory, that is why she had to yell. It doesn’t matter anyway, the Crayola Factory is not a store.
Jon’s examples of Kate yelling don’t really count since he can’t name any recent times that she has yelled.
According to Kate, nobody helps Kate.
It was bizarre because technically, Kate is correct.

Anonymous said...

Kate looks tired and her face looks wonky. I can't quite put my finger on it.

I seriously felt bad for Jon tonight. The whole show was just painful to watch.

Damage control definately about the sweater!

Fidelia said...

What wonderful comment upline from my very late one. We have some pretty terrific writers on this blog.

Just putting a few thoughts down here since I'm a frequent poster-

Tonight's Embarrassing Moments will be a future embarrassing moment in and of itself, IMO.

True to form, Kate's embarrassing moments were all Jon's fault - all of them. It had nothing to with her. She has a husband who allows her to act like an immature idiot. This wouldn't happen, of course, if he would just "act like a loving husband" and come over to her and in a kind, civil, compassionate, caring and loving way say "what can I do, Kate, to help you?"

Simple - just 8 little words....like "Jon & Kate Say 8."

If he would just remember to do that simple act, she would cut the jive, calm down and stop screaming, "Jooooooooooooooooooon" like in the middle of Cayola Factory, Toys Are Us and other major establishments. There'd also be less people heading to the local emergency room with whip lash. At Toys, a gentleman standing very close to Kate when she let out her famous Heellllloooooooooo
whipped his entire body around probably scared to death that some sort of terrorist had infiltrated the store. "HEEEELLLOOOOOOO" and the bombs drop.

But I digress....
When reminded of what an inept husband/man/human he is by his loving wife, Kate, Jon is to the point now where he clams up, sulks, looks straight ahead and agrees with every word Kate's admonishments and in no uncertain terms..........OR ELSE.

He's learned.

It's pathetic. It's Martin and Lewis. It's Laurel and Hardy complete with body slaps that Jon some how got the nerve to day were physically abusive. Well, Martin and Lewis didn't always get along either.

If you should happen to see this show in reruns, it's definitely worth a look-see. You'll learn more about full-blown narcissism in the first 5 minutes of this show than you could at any university.

Fidelia

adri said...

A few comments:

My 14 & 10 year old kids saw through Kate tonight, and they hardly watch the show. Her behavior has become painfully transparent, IMO.

Somehow I doubt Goodwill appreciated Jon's "charitable donation." What a horrid sweater. And HE is the one with fashion sense?!

Does Kate not realize that she chose not to put on sunscreen, therefore, she did burn on purpose? Or is she just that dumb to think that she can be fair skinned & out in the sun all day AND near the water, without burning? How did this woman pass her boards?

Enough of J&K's trainwreck interviews. If this show must go on, interview Cara & Mady.

grapecrush said...

Fidelia said...
"Jon is to the point now where he clams up, sulks, looks straight ahead.."

And now we know where Joel learned that "look" that Kate hates so much. He's just like his daddy.

sabrinasmom said...

Aww Kate, you almost gave Jon a compliment! You said that you weren't that great about fitting things into boxes and making things fit. But then ya just had to go and ruin it, and say how HAPPY you were that Jon got it wrong. Of course he did! You can't ever say he did anything right, and you got PLEASURE from the fact! You freak!

It was Jon's fault. He "crumpled and humpled" it.

Anonymous said...

How much do you want to bet Katie Irene has indulged in a little Botox? I don't think her forehead moved a jot during the entire show.

Today's whole show was just painful ... perhaps more so because last week we got not-that-bad Kate. Figure 8 is setting the viewers up perfectly to ensure maximum commentary. First they air an episode in which her faults and foibles are on full display. The next week she certainly provides snark fodder, but is so much more subdued that one would be forgiven for suspecting that Jon has started putting a little ground-up Valium into her morning coffee. The next week she's back to her imperious, entitled worst.

They're playing Good Kate/Bad Kate with their viewers. (Or perhaps it should be Bad Kate/Worse Kate.)

Anonymous said...

It's Kate's eyes that are wonky. They're different shapes and one is smaller than the other. It's bugged me for a while now.

Also, for the love of good grammar, the word Kate should be using is PURPOSELY, as in "ON PURPOSE"!!! Not, purposefully!!!

I'm clearly very upset by tonight's episode!

Awww, my loving husband just put down his toys and asked what he can do to help make this easier for ME :-)
What a lovely, grown up man.

TandooriMe said...

Ha, I loved when she accused him of not protecting her when the child spilled the ice cream at WDW. What was he to protect her from the child, the ice cream, herself? I suggest therapy, Kate, lots of it because you are an adult learn to control yourself and set an example worthy of your children. I'd hate to be in that house when all the kids have finally learned to react like her whenever they have a minor incident. And, gee, folks it wasn't as if she was being Mady dramatic! Wow, if we aren't bashing the husband lets get in some kid bashing. What a charming wife and mother. Don't you want to grow up and be just like her.

Anonymous said...

anyone who has anything negative to say about jon and kate gosselin are blind to the very fact that they are simply two parents who have been given a very diffuclt job. if you have a set of twins as well as a set of sextuplets then you are open to judge them as for the rest of you, its better for you to keep your negative coments to yourself because as far as im concerned, jon and kate are two of the greatest parents and thier children are truly blessed to have such wonderful and loving parents.

Anonymous said...

IMO, Kate is the poster child for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). What most people don't realize, however, is that NPD people actually hate themselves and are incapable of loving anybody. She is not fixable. And, as typical with an NPD female, she is married to an absolutely spineless wimp because no REAL man would tolerate her "issues" for one minute. It is really a tragedy that a woman like her has ANY children at all, much less 8. Let's hope she's been sterilized because she would have more children because it would mean more attention for her.

Chela said...

My God. What an uncomfortable episode to watch. I literally cringed at these two. They have completely lost any semblance of the loving couple I once thought they were.

Yes, Kate did not disappoint, and displayed outrageous, narcissistic behavior as usual,refusing totake responsibility for ANY of her mistakes.

But,I REFUSE to see Jon as the victim, as he so OBVIOUSLY wants to portray himself. He is such as PASSIVE AGRESSIVE child. He obviously is well aware of all the backlash and instead of loving his wife and trying to help her and their family, he is more concerned with how he is viewed. God, it made me so angry to see him act like such a little b*tch(my husband's word). BE A MAN! If he cared more for his kids and his family, he would do whatever is necessary to get his wife AND himself the help they need. Yes, I am putting it on him, because I think it is clear to all, that Kate CANNOT see what the issues are. Jon CAN but chooses to play the martyr and not step up and do what needs to be done.

God help this family. Pull the plug now and get the help you all need, PLEASE.

Steph said...

So he is supposed to ask how he can help her?

He gets ALL of the kids up and ready for school or the day. EVERY DAY.
He gets up at 5 am to work out, because Kate nags him about his weight.
He takes care of the kids, and does a one-on-one every day with each kid when he runs his errands. (Kate just goes by herself...she needs that "me time")
He gives all the tups their baths/showers and gets them ready for bed. EVERY NIGHT.
He went on ALL of the one on one days, while Kate opted out of the boys' days.
He apparently runs all the errands, like banking and recycling.
He puts all the gas in both of the cars.
He does all the "man jobs" like trash, barbecuing, taking in vehicles for oil changes, etc.

It should be, "How can SHE help HIM!"

adri said...

"Ha, I loved when she accused him of not protecting her when the child spilled the ice cream at WDW. What was he to protect her from the child, the ice cream, herself?"


In Kate's world, ice cream is scarier than any old boogeyman.

ritz said...

Train wreck? No longer.

The show has become a 100-megaton nuclear blast, and this episode is just the beginning of the fallout.

Anonymous said...

Kate's eyes did look strange last night. One is definately different than the other.

Well as the old adage goes: you get what you pay for. For Jon, bad hair plugs, for Kate, mismatched eyes.

I sure hope it wasn't done by her plastic surgeon. Wouldn't do his reputation any good.

Other than Kate's 'amazing uterus' (OMG I loved that!) her other talent or claim to fame is the ability to deflect any slings and arrows sent her way with a few choice words to Jon: Heel! Fetch! Lie down! Bad Doggie....

dubiwag said...

From the Mayo Clinic's website defining the symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

1)Believing that you're better than others

2)Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness

3)Exaggerating your achievements or talents

4)Expecting constant praise and admiration

5)Believing that you're special

6)Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings

7)Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans

8)Taking advantage of others

9)Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior

10)Being jealous of others

11)Believing that others are jealous of you

12)Trouble keeping healthy relationships

13)Setting unrealistic goals

14)Being easily hurt and rejected

15)Having a fragile self-esteem

16)Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

Seriously, people, she displays EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Anonymous said...

ANON 10:30 said: It's Kate's eyes that are wonky. They're different shapes and one is smaller than the other. It's bugged me for a while now.

Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I noticed it a bit before with the right eye - but last night, it was extremely pronounced - not just with her eye, but with the entire right side of her face. The right side of her mouth looked funny, too. Did anybody else notice? Wondering if she had another round of botox or something and she was swollen.

dubiwag said...

More from the Mayo Clinic site...fascinating, really:

"When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful, or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations...(Y)ou may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don't receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry...You may insist on having the "best" of everything.

But underneath all this grandiosity often lies a very fragile self-esteem. You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have a sense of secret shame and humiliation. And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better."

Eerily familiar, no?

Gia said...

This show is a lesson in domestic violence 101. I think that people should be ashamed of themselves for finding this show entertaining. Over the years people have became desensitized to violence because we are exposed to it so much on television. With that being said I think that Jon is being physically and verbally abused, by Kate. I think a lot of people choose to look past this because he is a man,and men are supposed to be strong. Therefore, a man could never be a victim of abuse. To those of you who feel this way, your wrong. After this episode I will never see this show the same. Jon really needs to get out of that abusive relationship. He is doing his children a huge disservice by sticking around. In the long run the money is not going to take away the children's emotinal scars after the show has ended. Instead of speaking at church's and such. He should be speaking to men about how to get out of a abusive relationship. Now that would be a speaking engagement he could be proud of. IMO.

Anonymous said...

I cannot wait for the recap.
Favorite memory of most kids: pooping.
Favorite memory of Hannah: acting Mommy-like.
Favorite memory of Jon: Jon sits and covers his private parts on the couch.
Favorite memory of Kate: did she actually say "Mady-dramatic"??? Tonight's salary goes straight into the Mady therapy fund. Gheeeez.

rosie said...

While j&k did light up about their "favorite kid moments"-they all disappointingly seeed to revolve around poop. Not sure why that particular bodily function would be so amusing to them-seems like a sign of immaturity to me.

I still maintain that kate (and jon, but mostly kate) treat the children like a project that needs to get done. She spends all of her time getting through each day just trying to limit the mess and kill time until they are all in bed. I think if you are a parent, you have had days like that, when bedtime can't come soon enough, but come on, not EVERY day should be spent that way. I think she loved them as babies because they made her seem special and she had so many tasks to handle. Now that their needs have changed, she can't let go of being the center and allow them to grow and change and start figuring out who they are on their own.
My husband and I have laughed at the silly things our kids have done, but, respectfully, we do it in the privacy of our immediate family. Thankfully, none of my embarrassing motherhood moments have been caught on tape-I am humble enough, thank you very much. Seeing my own (at times) ridiculous behavior would make me cringe at the very least, and cry at the worst.

Gia said...

I would like to comment on the so called "love taps." If the "love taps," are considered to be so loving. Then why doesn't Kate spread the love and offer those "love taps" to her children? I think the answer is pretty clear, that people would consider it to be a form of child abuse.

Serena said...

I would like to comment on the so called "love taps." If the "love taps," are considered to be so loving. Then why doesn't Kate spread the love and offer those "love taps" to her children?

Why do you think the kids stay in "time out" like little robots? What we don't see is the spanking that Kate admits she does.

belinda said...

Some have expressed the idea that Kate is the way she is, in part, from having an "oooooverdisciplined" childhood. I can't agree. If strict parents "caused" Kate to be the way she is, why is Kevin so different? We don't know a lot about her siblings, but it does not appear that any of them are dysfunctional and narcissistic like their sister Katie Irene.
I had strict (but loving) parents and that surely did not make me behave like Kate.
This show is so OVER. All we got in this last episode was old film clips and more of Kate's narcissism. I almost feel sorry for Jon. Almost.

Anonymous said...

"What we don't see is the spanking that Kate admits she does."

Wow. That makes me sick - the spanking, the comments on that site, ick.

Anonymous said...

"Way back on the TWOP board, someone commented that Jon and Kate were "in on the joke"? and were laughing at the viewers behind the scenes? I guess that referred to their chef, gardener, and oodles of money coming in from love offerings."


I might be the one you are referring to in your above post. On more than one occasion I said this on the TwoP forum. I definitely think it is all rehearsed - I think Jen realizes what a cash cow she has in Kate, whom I think is an actress (and a good one). Narcissist or not, I don't think anyone would behave the way she does before a camera if she was portraying herself, especially if you are going for "Mother of the Year". Just the comments on this board folowing each new episode prove how well-watched this show is. My husband has commented that he thinks Kate gets a bonus each week based on the comments on these boards. I have a feeling he could be right. She has to be the most dis
liked individual on TV. I really think she is soapbox material.

I wish Jodi's sister would comment on my feelings

where's the love said...

"I thought this would be a perfect opportunity for a little damage control about the ice cream incident. A reasonable person would have said "I was so silly, I really overreacted on that one". But not Kate."

Great Post! I thought they could win back some friends by just admitting to bad behavior...perhaps, "I can't believe I did that honey, I'm sooo sorry I acted like such an ASS!" or "Boy was I stress out, I really did go over the top there." Jon seemed apologetic about wanting to remove the stick from her ass, and saying it in front of the tups, but then Jon's apology got taken away with more rehashing the incident and Kate harping on him.

Anon1967 said...

THis might already be posted, but after rewatching this episode, Kate did say that it wasn't "Madi Dramatics" during the sunburn part of the show. She should have put sunscreen on, then there wouldn't have had to be "dramatics" at all.

Jen said...

The "overdisciplined" thing is crap...the childhood I had was overdisciplined to say the least, but as I mentioned in an earlier comment, if you have kids you need to make the decision to make things different for your adult life and for your spouse and children.

There's no other way to put this: Kate is too lazy to make the necessary changes and she's too narcissistic to realize she needs to make the changes in the first place. I've also read the Mayo clinic listing of personality symptoms, years ago, and they fit my dad to a tee. They can improve, as my dad has over the years (after facing several disappointments, failures and failed relationships) but you almost have to lose everything to trigger that response. There is hope, but from my personal experience, it only comes after some serious damage is already done.

I hate to say it, but the demise of this show and the fact that their truth will be out might be the damage that will trigger a change someday. It's really sad, but probably true.

nfalcone said...

I want to say that people can and do change, especially if someone SPEAKS UP. I was starting to get into the very BAD habit of raising my hand to my fiancé when I was getting frustrated --- nothing like a "beat down" but more like Kate's love taps, though not as bad. But he pointed it out to me and said that, though it didn't hurt physically, he didn't appreciate it and I had to change. I had to figure out a different way to express my anger or frustrations. He explained that we're adults, not children, and he'll listen to me if I have something to say. We even have a standing rule that if I need to speak with him and he's in his computer world of games & work, he'll stop what he's doing and discuss with me. So far he has been good on his word. I do not raise my hand anymore because that is just not what you do to someone you love. I'm sure he's glad he's nipped that in the bud before we have kids.

Now my point is, why have they not done this??? Why does Jon accept it? I think a simple explanation is that Kate is one of those people who is NEVER WRONG. You can’t argue with someone who is never wrong in their own mind. My fiancĂ© feels this way about his mom – he’s a total defeatist when it comes to her, but not with me because I listen. Also, I don’t think Kate feels she needs to change. She said she “hits for emphasis” and “always has” meaning it’s part of who she is. She thinks it’s perfectly alright and people don’t change things that they believe to be perfectly alright.

It’s a shame and I think that they need marriage counseling. My fiance and I have another standing rule that if things ever got truly bad and one of us wanted to go to couples counseling, we will. It would be a shame if it ever came to that, but sometimes things do, and it truly has for Jon and Kate. Jon needs someone removed from the situation pointing out her flaws and vice versa. It’s the only way.

Anonymous said...

In response to the anonymous poster who thinks J & K are the 'greatest parents'. If you feel J & k are the greatest parents, you are rightfully entitled to feel that way. However, I am confused by your statment "if you have a set of twins as well as a set of sextuplets then you are open to judge them as for the rest of you, its better for you to keep your negative coments to yourself". Why is it better for those who do not have twins and sextuplets to keep their negative comments to theirself? Is it acceptable to openly express a POSITIVE comment regarding J & K even though a person does not have twins and sextuplets? Or is having twins and sextuplets the qualifer for expressing any opinion whatsoever when it comes to J & K and their reality show? The fact that they are parents of twins and sextuplets in no way shape or form excludes them from opinion and criticism. Positive or negative. Although Kate might like to think otherwise. The fact that J & K made the choice to openly expose the " good, bad, and the ugly" of their life in the form of a REALITY SHOW is what gives viewers the ammunition to form opinion and judgement.

laura linger said...

Not once did Kate take responsibility for anything she said or did.

Not once.

I would have such respect for the woman if she was able to look back at The Ice Cream Incident ("She's ruined!") and say, "you know what? I was a real jerk then. It was hot, and we were all tired, and I overreacted. Hey, it happens. And next time, I will just be a little more easygoing."

We all do things that we regret. We all overreact to situations. (I've had more than my fair share of self-induced crises in my life!) What matters is if we realize our mistakes and learn from them.

Anonymous said...

Although most of us agree that the show is spiralling downward and out of control, I think Kate and Jen have no idea that the show is as getting to be as ridiculous as it is. I honestly feel like they think they are giving us some golden material here! And at this point, it's the same material rehashed for three or four shows. When are we going to see some new shows, I mean some really new shows?

Have the kids all but checked out themselves? We've all seen how Cara acts (or doesn't act) in front of the camera. Collin doesn't seem to care for it too much, by judging his dislike for the cameras being in his face while he uses potty. That only leaves 6. And Jon has said on several shows now that he's going to just stop talking. Is he just setting an example for the kids, and they are all slowly becoming less involved? So that leaves Kate plus 6...

K.C. said...

Anonymous 9:54 said...
Kate looks tired and her face looks wonky. I can't quite put my finger on it.

YES! This is driving me NUTS! I actually paused on Kate's current face and compared it to one of her at the beginning, (in a 1 hour special). Then I compared those to Kate around a year ago. I have identified what I think is a nose job but there is something else. A brow lift maybe? If anyone has figured out what is wrong/different with Kate, (other than the hair), please enlighten me!

Nikki,

I don't think Jon said, "We've been away for 3 days". I believe he said SHE has been away for 3 days.

When did you heat the "ca-ching" in the background? I must have missed that...

Anonymous said...

To the commenters who have alluded that Kate is playing a role, or an actress, I sure hope not. Who in their right mind would do that to children or a husband? This show has problems enough without that. Yes, I think they play up their certain attributes that we expect from the by now. Kate at both the cupcake and pottery place, sort of played up her fear of a mess, but I saw that as her schtick, and a way to get out of helping the kids. If she hates messes, she doesn't have to get involved. But I don't think she is an actress. If she is, then there will be 8 books by those kids for sure.

JillyWilly said...

I have to agree, last nights show was really uncomfortable. Ever been out with a couple and they are obviously having a fight? The whole evening you want to go home because you are watching a train wreck of an evening get worse and worse? That was last nights show.

If these two are going to make it they better use some of that big old money for couples therapy. Otherwise they are going to self destruct and take their adorable children with them.

Anonymous said...

I myself don't see what the big deal about the "get the stick out" comment was all about. I remember it well when it happened and I was like "Yo, go John!"

She needed to get the stick out and if you notice she finally shut her big mouth.

It seems when John finally does speak up to her at times she seems to recoil. And what a pleasure that is to see! I have noticed it several times that when he finally shows that he is genuinely pissed off she backs down somewhat as if she is afraid.

The episode that shows him yelling at her that the post office is closed shows that he can and does speak up sometimes.

I don't think he's completely lost his set of "goose balls" just yet.

miemic said...

A couple of things.

RE the spanking, IF I thought spanking was okay, it would never come from anger. In other words, Kate seems like the type of parent who would lash out, spank, and explain later how what YOU did was wrong, and that caused HER to get angry at YOU, and that's why she hit YOU. But, that's just my opinion, based on what's being shown. I do not believe physical violence is a deterrent. I also believe this is why we see the kids hitting each other so much. Violence begets violence....

Finally, it's sad Jon will never hear these things come from his wife's lips:

"I'm sorry."
"You're right, I'm wrong."
"How can I help YOU?"

AngieMack said...

Raise your hand if you see a tell all book in Jon's future. Now THAT would be a best seller!

Anonymous said...

Serena said...
I would like to comment on the so called "love taps." If the "love taps," are considered to be so loving. Then why doesn't Kate spread the love and offer those "love taps" to her children?

Why do you think the kids stay in "time out" like little robots? What we don't see is the spanking that Kate admits she does

Serena, you posted a link to someone's report on a Jon and Kate speaking engagement and that person had positive things to say about them. With all the talk of Jon being abused and the Gosselins having an unhealthy relationship I find it interesting that you linked to someone who had this to say:

"One of the big things I remember is just seeing the two of them just interact with each other the whole time. Just the way they would look at each other, especially with telling those stories from those tough times back then, you could just SEE their love for each other in their faces. At one point, an audience member was asking a question and I looked and saw Jon sort of reach out with his foot and tap Kate's foot and then Kate reached with her foot and they did a little foot-tappy thing for a second. It was just so cute!! You can really tell how much they love each other."

That's not what Jon and Kate said, which many here would assume to be all lies - it's an audience member's observation of a couple who is in love. Just because their relationship doesn't fit your ideal doesn't mean there is abuse.

I think Jon is perfectly happy playing the submissive role to Kate's aggressive one, despite his occasional complaining. In fact, I think he enjoys complaining and whining while Kate enjoys rolling her eyes at him. That's just how they roll and there's nothing wrong with it if both parties are happy with the arrangement.

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with Laura Linger 100%. I think I've finally figured out what bothers me so much about this show. Kate NEVER takes responsibility when she makes a mistake. Between the outburst, tantrums, whatever you want to call it, she refuses to EVER admit she was wrong. No one is perfect, yet Kate thinks SHE is. I wonder how she would react if someone pointed out her faults and misgivings, the way she so eagerly points out Jon's. As the kids get older, is she going to blame everything on them? This is a type of psychological abuse that is going to affect them as they become adults. I can really see the kids grow into adults with low self-esteem and just in general feeling like they're not good enough. To all the critics of this blog and this subject, do you really think this isn't the path these kids are headed for? It's not a loving and thriving environment to grow up in. People need to open their eyes and see this woman for what she really is. I sincerely hope she gets help. I doubt that Jon will be able to convince her to do so, but I hope someone close to her can, if there's anyone left.

Serena said...

"One of the big things I remember is just seeing the two of them just interact with each other the whole time. Just the way they would look at each other, especially with telling those stories from those tough times back then, you could just SEE their love for each other in their faces. At one point, an audience member was asking a question and I looked and saw Jon sort of reach out with his foot and tap Kate's foot and then Kate reached with her foot and they did a little foot-tappy thing for a second. It was just so cute!! You can really tell how much they love each other."

Jon and Kate aren't stupid, they know that when they are in front of a LIVE audience, people from whom they received ticket money and/or "love offerings", they need to put on the type of performance that will maximize their profits.

At home, when it's "just the camera crew" who "feels like family" to them... people who have been practically living with them for several years now... they can let down their guard and behave as they really are.

Just because their relationship doesn't fit your ideal doesn't mean there is abuse.

You're correct. What makes it abusive is not that it doesn't fit the ideal; what makes it abusive is that it is demeaning, insulting, corrosive, and humiliating.

miemic said...

Plus Serena, to add to your comment about J&K fitting the ideal, a sheeple with pie in the sky feelings about J&K isn't going to see anything other than what they want to see: a supposed "loving" couple. You're right, J&K would never do anything in public to jeopardize this.

Anonymous said...

"I think Jon is perfectly happy playing the submissive role to Kate's aggressive one, despite his occasional complaining. In fact, I think he enjoys complaining and whining while Kate enjoys rolling her eyes at him."

Oh, that's a healthy way to live (rolling eyes). It's their business if they want to have that type of relationship, but really not something you want the whole world to see. It's also not a healthy thing to teach a child. Well, unless you want to invite a boatload of criticism.

dubiwag said...

Can I also say that the "favorite" moments seemed kind of lame and anemic to me? I can think of many of my "favorite" kid moments from the show: Joel's "Oh MY" at the bakery, Cara really excelling at skiing, Aaden pretending to be a dragon, etc. Jon & Kate's:

Joel saying daddies have wieners.

Collin trying to stuff a cup in a toy car.

Alexis pooping.

Cara & Mady talking about Alexis pooping.

Leah talking about Hannah pooping.

The Aaden & Hannah moments were legitimately sweet, but since those 2 are obviously Kate's favorites, no surprises there.

But, really, the other six? That's the best they could come up with--wieners & poop. I'm sure Freud would have a lot to say.

K.C. said...

After reading about J&K admitting to spanking the kids, (from Serena's link), I looked around a little on the Facebook pages associated with this comment. That looks like a J&K+8 fan site? If it is, things are not looking very good for J&K. The fans are not happy. I saw a lot of negative comments about last night's show. Some of which were posted by staunch supporters/people I recognized as Kate defenders from other sites.

One person posted this:

"Did anyone notice that some of the products were blurred out? The water bottle from the bday party, the Dr. Pepper, Sierre Mist cans in the garage episode. They were'nt blurred out in the original episode (I checked)."

Another poster replied that they too had noticed but didn't give it much thought. Is this an indication that they are losing sponsors?

Anonymous said...

"Ha, I loved when she accused him of not protecting her when the child spilled the ice cream at WDW. What was he to protect her from the child, the ice cream, herself?"

Well, it's a well-known fact that melted ice cream induces violent fits of rage in Disney princesses. If you look closely at the footage, Cinderella is starting to twitch. Run Kate Run! A stain stick and napkins are no match for an out of control Snow White who looks at your ice-cream stained dwarfs with dairy thirst in her eyes!

FIONA said...

laura linger said...
Not once did Kate take responsibility for anything she said or did.

Not once.

I would have such respect for the woman if she was able to look back at The Ice Cream Incident ("She's ruined!") and say, "you know what? I was a real jerk then. It was hot, and we were all tired, and I overreacted. Hey, it happens. And next time, I will just be a little more easygoing."

We all do things that we regret. We all overreact to situations. (I've had more than my fair share of self-induced crises in my life!) What matters is if we realize our mistakes and learn from them.


No kidding...the whole world would have stopped spinning on its axis had Kate owned up. If they had ANY decent kind of PR person, surely they would be telling her that she has to make some changes! If Jen Stocks gave a shit about the family she would have prompted her at least.

I have a feeling this couch session was pretty improptu, meaning I am not sure if J and K had much of a heads up as to the questions coming their way-just a feeling. Anyway, I think they both were honest (for once) in the answers they gave. And the whole epi was icky.

Kate had a HUGE opportunity to explain some of her behavior, and she did! She is right ALWAYS. Jon is wrong ALWAYS!

What a F****D up marriage.

Anonymous said...

"Plus Serena, to add to your comment about J&K fitting the ideal, a sheeple with pie in the sky feelings about J&K isn't going to see anything other than what they want to see: a supposed "loving" couple. You're right, J&K would never do anything in public to jeopardize this."

Doesn't this work both ways? The truth most likely lies in the middle. Not abusive or perfect, but certainly not damaging to the children.

I'm sure the kids would be better with Jon and Kate, the not so perfect couple that love each other, than becoming children of divorce. Besides, don't you think both Jon and Kate would find subsequent mates to continue to play their passive and aggressive roles? Then the children will be dealing with Stepmom just like Kate and Stepdad just like Jon. It would be like a double dose. Not the best option.

Not a Sheeple said...

Lame and anemic indeed. That was one of the most boring episodes yet. One of my main criticisms of the show itself is too much couch time. This one felt like 80% couch time to me. It also seemed to have been done before the tups turned four.

One thing that has bothered me is the rather huge disconnect in how the twins were treated at four and how the tups are treated at four. I was really glad for Kate to be presented with that in this episode as she saw two clear speaking four year olds interacting and entertaining the sextuplets. Little though Kate may change her ways, just maybe she'll start treating the tups a bit closer to their actual age.

Jon was so remote and Kate was so tense last night. That hand pushing/pulling she does was so prominent that I began to fear that she's break her right wrist or hand.

Serena said...

Doesn't this work both ways? The truth most likely lies in the middle. Not abusive or perfect, but certainly not damaging to the children.

I think seeing their parents role-model such horrible dynamics in a marriage -- AND as parents -- is extremely damaging to children.

I'm sure the kids would be better with Jon and Kate, the not so perfect couple that love each other, than becoming children of divorce.

I think living with parents in a horribly dysfunctional relationship is damaging to children. I think divorce is damaging to children.

I think pulling the children out of the public fishbowl they are being forced to live in and restoring them to a childhood free of exploitation would be quite beneficial to them. Jon and Kate restoring their marriage to that of one with healthy dynamics would be even more beneficial to the children.

Besides, don't you think both Jon and Kate would find subsequent mates to continue to play their passive and aggressive roles?

I don't know why I'm being asked about divorce and remarriage here; I have never once posted anything on that topic or expressed any desire to see Jon and Kate divorce.

Anonymous said...

"Does anyone else think Jon's comment about donating the striped sweater to Goodwill was damage control?"

That is the first thing I thought of too that he was trying to make himself and the situation look better by stating that he gave the sweater to a charitable organization.

I have to say that this episode was certainly a far cry from other compilation type episodes. The tension between Jon and Kate was really uncomfortable to watch. All I kept thinking was "Wow tihs marriage if falling apart." You could tell from Jon's body language that he didn't feel comfortable. In earlier episodes he'd usually have his arm around the back of the couch, looking more open and approachable. Last night he was hunched so far over on the couch away from Kate.

I can't help but wonder if all this fame and new-found fortune is what is causing some marital discord? If they had never become famous would their relationship still have suffered?

Anonymous said...

If someone called you up and said I would like to take your family on a trip for free...would you take it?

If someone called you and said I would like to fix something about yourself that you don't like...would you do it?

If someone said, "You have a very interesting story and we would like for you to come and speak"...would you do it?

If you knew you could charge $25,000 to give a speech and people will actually PAY you that amount...would you???

Yeah...that's what I thought.

Anonymous said...

"That's not what Jon and Kate said, which many here would assume to be all lies - it's an audience member's observation of a couple who is in love. Just because their relationship doesn't fit your ideal doesn't mean there is abuse."

I think here is where there may be acting. If you have to pander to an audience to get a big love offering, there may be more loving gestures and moments. It goes both ways-if people think they can act on camera, they can surely act on stage.
Also it's all in the perception. There are Jon and Kate fans who don't seem to watch the same show I watch. How can you continuously defend what that woman does? So that person who said they were loving may also have their rose colored glasses on.

"Doesn't this work both ways? The truth most likely lies in the middle. Not abusive or perfect, but certainly not damaging to the children. "

I think the truth is somewhat in the middle as well, but not as whitewashed as "certainly not damaging to the children". They watch this stuff at naptime!! Do you not think Mady and Cara, and very soon the tups, are not smart enough to pick up on the snide comments, the bossiness, the icky boys comments, and the icky way she treats her husband? Yes, a two parent household is better, but from the looks of the confessional couch at the beginning of the show to now, money hasn't improved their stress level or marriage, IMO.

Anonymous said...

I might, maybe, do some of those things. BUT, I would be grateful, appreciative, happy, humble, I could go on.

And I would NOT compromise the safety of my children. I found their address on the web yesterday, with very little digging.

That's not worth $25K IMO, or anything else listed.

Serena said...

If someone called you up and said I would like to take your family on a trip for free...would you take it?

If someone called you and said I would like to fix something about yourself that you don't like...would you do it?

If someone said, "You have a very interesting story and we would like for you to come and speak"...would you do it?

If you knew you could charge $25,000 to give a speech and people will actually PAY you that amount...would you???


Oh, you mean, If someone called me up and said that, in order to get all those offers in the first place, I would have to:

- exploit my children starting when they were toddlers
- force them to live in a public fishbowl
- strip them of any privacy and dignity
- fill their lives with strangers filming them in situations that would be actionable if a daycare permitted it
- lie to the public to gain their sympathy

If someone said THAT to me? Because that is exactly what J&K have done in order to GET all those offers in the first place.

What would my answer be? HELL NO.

Just how old do you have to be before you understand that money isn't everything? How stupid do you have to be to think that money justifies just about anything?

Anonymous said...

It's their children...It's their life...and it's easy to say "Hell No" but until you are in that situation...you don't know what you would do.

Those people who hire them to speak do NOT need to pay them $25,000 - but they do... so OF COURSE they are going to ask for that much. I don't think they feel that money is everything...but it is probably security for their future.

Anonymous said...

Instead of quoting a whole post, I'll just say AMEN Serena!

The freebies J&K receive are only free to J&K. The kids are the ones paying a high price for them.

Have you seen some of the J&K "fan" comments on other sites? Ones like "I want to come see you, send me your address" and "Please email me back, I wait everyday for a reply". (Loosely quoted because most of the spelling in those types of comments is atrocious at best). Those kinds of supporters are scary to me. No amount of money would ever entice me to put my children's safety at risk. No amount of money would entice me to sell their childhoods.

Serena said...

It's their children...It's their life...and it's easy to say "Hell No" but until you are in that situation...you don't know what you would do.

Nonsense. It's not rocket science. I would never exploit my own children. A few things in life really are just that black and white.

Those people who hire them to speak do NOT need to pay them $25,000 - but they do... so OF COURSE they are going to ask for that much. I don't think they feel that money is everything...but it is probably security for their future.

I don't have a problem with what they get paid, I have a problem with WHY they get paid. They rose to the position they are in through despicable means, and their children are paying the price.

Millions of children in large families have secure futures without being exploited to get them.

Anonymous said...

Would I do all those things if offered?

We are supposed to learn from history, so as not to repeat itself. Look at some of the family reality shows: Duggars , Dillys, and those large family one time specials ,and Mccaugheys. These families have showed restraint and dignity and actually have a purpose as far as putting their kids in the public eye.

Roloffs and Gosselins seem to have grabbed as much as they can, seemingly greedily.

If I could get 25K to speak, and didn't have to exploit my kids, yes, I might do it once or twice. I would NEVER leave my kids for 2 weekends a month, when we were already making a good salary.
You didn't mention the book. A book I might do-it's less invasive, very cerebral.

I think money is the root of all evil-and it's hard to resist it. Many a person has sold their stories for that 15 minutes of fame. But with kids, it's a different ball game.

Tracy said...

I used to be a fan of Kate's. I thought she was funny and I thought she made alot of sense sometimes. But then I started to realize that she always had people helping her and never seemed to return the favor - ie watching Jodi's kids, etc. I started to second guess her as a mother and wife when I saw the gum episode. That was the saddest thing ever. Then the cupcake episode sealed it for me. I used to defend her to my husband who thinks she is a shrill beast. After last nights episode, I finally agree with him. She was really disgusting last night.

FIONA said...

I'm sure the kids would be better with Jon and Kate, the not so perfect couple that love each other, than becoming children of divorce. Besides, don't you think both Jon and Kate would find subsequent mates to continue to play their passive and aggressive roles? Then the children will be dealing with Stepmom just like Kate and Stepdad just like Jon. It would be like a double dose. Not the best option.


Actually, I disagree. First, don't see Katie finding another sucker to marry her. Jon, maybe. And if he found a nice woman, who was ok with 8 kids-which would be very difficult anyway, don't you think almost anyone would be better for the kids then Kate.

I think Mady, for example, would whole heartedly embrace a loving female companion, they all would.

I don't think Kate is fit to parent these children....not one bit.

Anonymous said...

"We are supposed to learn from history, so as not to repeat itself. Look at some of the family reality shows: Duggars , Dillys, and those large family one time specials ,and Mccaugheys. These families have showed restraint and dignity and actually have a purpose as far as putting their kids in the public eye."

The Duggars? Ha ha.Please don't use the Duggars as examples of showing restraint and being dignified. Living in a mansion with your very own soda bar is not dignified. And teaching your daughters to be nothing but hand maidens and serve the needs of men is what I would call emotional abuse.

FIONA said...

You could tell from Jon's body language that he didn't feel comfortable. In earlier episodes he'd usually have his arm around the back of the couch, looking more open and approachable. Last night he was hunched so far over on the couch away from Kate.


I think Jon knew exactly what he was doing....just part of the act.

FIONA said...

It's their children...It's their life...and it's easy to say "Hell No" but until you are in that situation...you don't know what you would do.

I respectfully disagree. I would never, ever do what the G's have done!!!

minxie said...

anonymous said...
It's their children...It's their life...and it's easy to say "Hell No" but until you are in that situation...you don't know what you would do.
________________

Okay, I will put myself in that situation for a moment. I might agree to some public speaking engagements because they are not recorded (at least for a mass audience), they don't take a lot of time and then they are finished, done. But here's the problem--there might not be a demand for pubic appearances at $25K a shot if there were no show to familiarize the public with my family. So, it comes back to the show. Would I allow glaring lights, cameras and crews to intrude on my children's most intimate moments? Would I cheapen our interactions and activities, offering them up for public consumption and discourse? Would I discuss my kids' emotional and physical problems from a couch, condensing everything down to easily digested sound bites and flippant phrases? Would I want my kids to be filmed when they are sick, miserable, upset, insecure, undressed, and then have it forever available on DVD for any pervert or creep to watch? Or the kids' friends? Their enemies? THEM?

No f***ing WAY.

Anonymous said...

Since J&K (and Producer Jen) know that former fans are burning up the internet writing about the antics of Kate in full-blown crazy mode, why create an episode like last night which shows Kate in a less than flattering light (personally, I think they missed a bunch of Kate's more embarrassing moments but perhaps there wasn't enough time to include them all).

Do they really think all publicity is good publicity and so they are playing to those of us who think Kate has really lost it (the "if you thought I was crazy in that episode then what do you think about this episode" sort of thing)?

Bicoastal said...

"How stupid do you have to be to think that money justifies just about anything?"

The most common Jon and Kate defense seems to be "oh like you'd turn the money/fame/swag down."

What has reality TV revealed about our national character?

For one, our country is knee-deep in struggling, attention-starved citizens who are willing to debase themselves (and their families) for cash and prizes.

Then factor in jerk companies like Figure 8 Films that think if they couch their reality shows with some phony qualifier e.g. "let us understand the human condition,"
the subsequent televised
behavior - no matter how exploitive or embarrassing - is acceptable.

Worse, the companies think they should receive accolades for exploiting sad, tweaked people for entertainment purposes.

There was some program on ABC that offered free cosmetic surgery to homely men and women. There is a show on Fox where one partner reveals damaging "secrets" about the relationship in front of the other(for cash, of course). CBS rents a house for young drunks and racists to live in together so the hijinks will unfold. Bravo has its catty bitch-festivals starring overly-Botoxed housewives and their drug-addled kids.

And TLC? They air a program about unemployed parents who have tasted the good life by displaying their children's bowel movements for the camera.

Back to Serena's questions: How stupid do you have to be to think that money justifies just about anything?

Answer: All-of-the-above.











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hairplugs100 said...

The episode was just hard to watch. Five minutes in I was actually a little sick to my stomach. Wow. When Jen suggested that maybe this episode would be the most embarrassing, Jon nodded and Kate laughed it off.
Okay, there are clueless people in the world, but when your husband and the producer and, oh, i dunno, most of the viewing public feel that you are an asshole, how do you not see it even a little? And once again, a few cute clips of the children and 95% J&K blathering AWN, bickering like idiots. I would be embarrassed if friends or family saw my spouse and me behave that way - but all of America and parts of the rest of the world? What a mess.
They are both so full of themselves. For him to sit there and say things like "we shot the episode" and "my producer". He's sounding like he thinks he's a performer. Hey Jon, it's a documentary, you're a regular Joe who had a gaggle of kids in the age of the "reality show" and somehow you struck gold.
You are not an actor and those are not "your" producers.

Nikki said...

Nikki, I don't think Jon said, "We've been away for 3 days". I believe he said SHE has been away for 3 days. When did you heat the "ca-ching" in the background? I must have missed that...

k.c.: My mistake. I listened to it several times and couldn't make out if he was saying "we" or "you"... on the ca-ching - I was making a joke. I was assuming that they were on a speaking engagement (a 25K ca-ching) for the 3 days he was referring to.

Everyone keeps talking about how weird her faced looked in last night's episode. But I've noticed her lip in many, many episodes. Sometimes it seems to pull down to the right, like the rest of her mouth moves, but not that side. I don't know, I'm not trying to be petty and disect her appearance or anything, but I just wanted to comment that I have noticed that for a while now.

Anonymous said...

"If strict parents "caused" Kate to be the way she is, why is Kevin so different?"

I wanted to comment on this. First, we have only seen a glimpse into Kevin's personality. He could have his very own set of issues. However, even if the other siblings have no diagnosed ptsd from their childhood,it doesnt mean Kate or any of them arent dealing with some issues. My family is a great example. I'm the youngest of 5. When I was 18 and left home, I had a total breakdown. I was put on meds and made it through with the help of my husband but my sibs gave me a hard time...UNTIL....several years later when my brother had a breakdown, my sister took up chain smoking and has major relationship issues and 4 out of 5 of us are on medication for anxiety.
Everyone handles stress differently so it doesnt mean that Kate's upbringing didnt contribute to her issues (it also doesnt prove that it did).
I hope that makes sense...

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

Just about everything I noticed has already been mentioned. I do want to comment on a few things:


“I definitely think it is all rehearsed - I think Jen realizes what a cash cow she has in Kate, whom I think is an actress (and a good one). Narcissist or not, I don't think anyone would behave the way she does before a camera if she was portraying herself, especially if you are going for "Mother of the Year".”

Kate is being shown exactly the way she is—cameras or no cameras. Believe it or not, they are actually showing some of her best moments on TV.

At first I thought this episode was going to be damage control. I thought that maybe Kate would be apologetic or explain that once she has been able to step back and re-watch scenes, that she would see it from a different perspective. That didn’t happen. Months and sometimes years have gone by and she is still not taking responsibility for her own actions. As I said before, her meltdown and reactions are always someone else’s fault.

In response to the Facebook comment:
This is a young girl who idolizes J&K. She actually emailed Jon about my Facebook group-she wanted him to know that “someone” was saying things about them that she couldn’t believe were true. He personally responded to her, and told her I was telling “half truths”—sound familiar? I was sent their correspondence, and he emailed her from his personal email address. Most of the people in the Facebook group think J&K can do no wrong. However, most of them are high school or college aged people who have never been married and don't have children. They watch because the kids are cute, and they don’t understand what having their own family is all about.

She’s entitled to her own opinion about their relationship, but J&K have learned how to “play up” how loving they are during their speaking engagements.

Amber says:
“They DO spank the kids, but we will never see that on television. They said they just don't think it's a good idea for anyone to show them spaking their children on national television and TLC just doesn't want to air it either. But they do spank them, but they keep it to a minimum and of course, as we all know, use time outs as punishment most of the time.”

TLC doesn’t want to air it. This statement proves to me that they have footage of a lot of things that they CAN’T air on TV. I have been told this before, but J&K are actually admitting it, according to Amber. I made the comment in my gumgate post that we weren’t shown Kate’s entire reaction. Again, I don’t know how it all played out, especially since Jon knew about the gum before Kate. I was told that the cameraman stopped taping and left the house. Were they asked to leave? Did they feel uncomfortable and chose to stop taping? I don’t know.

I also thought the "continuity" statement was very telling.

grapecrush said...

At this point, Jon's only hope for a strong marriage and happy future for their family is to do some sort of an counseling intervention for Kate. She really needs some it, and pronto.

If he keeps going as he is, he will tune out to not only his wife, but his life. Which includes those 8 kids.

I really feel he has to do something, because she doesn't see any problem with her actions at all.

I just don't think either of them are mature enough to fix the issues by themselves.

sugarjay said...

The more I watch Kate the more deluded she seems. When she was lecturing Jon about the Disney situation, she actually said Jon should protect her and no one helps her? Wtf is going on in that head of hers? She needs protection from ice cream messes? And what about Carla and her kids who flew in just to help Kate? These people flew to Florida and took a Disney vacation for the sole purpose of HELPING Kate! Unbeleivable.

Kate loves to be a martyr it seems. In her twisted logic, poor little Kate was left all alone to spoonfeed 6 kids ice cream so nothing would spill on thier shirts. It was for the good of the laundry but no one cares. They don't do laundry, it's obvious. And while she was defending herself from the ice cream mess no one helped her so of course she caused a scene. It was Jon's fault really though, he didn't come to protect her from the ice cream and the people staring at her making an ass of herself. It's a wonder how she manages because the job is just so stressful and exhausting.

I have heard a lot of things that seem nuts come out of Kate's mouth but the no one helps me comment was icing on the cake. No one helps Kate? Not her husband who by their own admission empties the dishwasher, takes out the trash, puts gas in the cars, does baths, makes beds, runs errands and gets handed any child who is having a tantrum whenever they go anywhere? Not Carla who flew to Florida and Utah to pitch in with the kids? Not any of her laundry people? Not Jodi who watched 12 kids at one time for free on multiple days? Kate really needs to take a good look at herself and seek help in my opinion.

AmandaT said...

"If someone called you up and said I would like to take your family on a trip for free...would you take it?"

I live in the real world - it would depend: Who is this person? Where is the trip? Do we have those days off from work? Is it an appropriate place to take my child?

"If someone called you and said I would like to fix something about yourself that you don't like...would you do it?"

I don't begrudge Kate the tummy tuck or Jon the hair plugs (although, I think the reason he did them was for Kate, and her alone. My husband also has lost his hair at an early age. But he decided rather to shave his head ... and he is quite a sexy bald man). However, being away from my child for a week is simply a deal-breaker, I couldn't do it.

"If someone said, "You have a very interesting story and we would like for you to come and speak"...would you do it?"

Again - who is this person? Is it an appropriate venue for my family? I would do it if it fit into our schedules, and I could take our son. However, we would be truthful in our story. And while we are not rich, we get by fine. So we would say "no" to the love offerings .... or we would ask that donations be made to a worthwhile cause, like St. Jude's Hospital.

"If you knew you could charge $25,000 to give a speech and people will actually PAY you that amount...would you???"

Again, it would depend on whether it fit our schedules, and if it was an appropriate venue where we could take our son. And really, it would be a limited thing. If it meant that I had to travel without my son on a regular basis, I would not do it.

The theme here is that the first consideration is for my family. As parents, it is our job to raise our children, and to protect them. I personally have many opportunities to make a good deal of money ... but I turn down those that would cause separation from my family. There is a national shortage of RNs and paramedics (I am licensed as both), and I have been offered $20,000 bonuses and $50+ an hour to take certain jobs, and to do temporary travel assignments. Money would be nice, yes, but I am not willing to pay the bigger price in time away from family. We do not live to work, we work to live - and I think this is how the majority of families tend to operate.

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Anonymous said...

I have a suggestion for everyone here on this board: Have you ever watched the show with the captions on? You catch them saying so many things. For example, when they were in Utah and Jon was saying how he is looking into real estate in Utah, he said, yes I am looking at moving here but the child support would be too much. And then he gave his freaky chuckle. Sorry but happyily married couples do NOT joke about these things. And last night, when it showed Jon fed up with Collin and putting him in time out, Kate says in the background, oh and honey, when we design our new house and then she gets cut off. Try it and you will see.

iluveeyore said...

We do not wish to have this blog turn into a discussion board about spanking -- pro or con.

Please do not tell us your personal opinion about and/or your personal experience with spanking.

However, personally, I think we now understand why those kids run to time out so quickly.

Anonymous said...

There seems to be some gray area when it comes to what people think about Kate being physically and verbally abusive towards Jon. I think that because she is a woman people seem to be giving her a pass on the issue. In abusive households there is no gray area.
People seem to be rating her abusive ways on a abuse scale. Some seem to think she registers from being not abusive, to a little bit abusive, to that "love tap," made a smacking noise so that might be abuse. There should be no gray area involved. IMO Kate,should not get a free pass on abuse just because she is female.

AngieMack said...

"(personally, I think they missed a bunch of Kate's more embarrassing moments but perhaps there wasn't enough time to include them all)."

100% Word, Anon. 9:07 a.m. I thought that she got off pretty light. I imagine there was a lengthy discussion between the Gosselins and the producers as to what was/was not an appropriate "embarrassing" moment.

-No gum. Period.
-No cupcakes. Period.
-No shots of Kate throwing shoes out the van window.
-No shots of Kate (proudly) leading her screaming children during the 4th of July parade.
-This list could go on and on...

Funny how the most "embarrassing" thing that they could say about Jon was that silly stick comment, but my words for her in that moment would have been far far worse. And much deserved, in my opinion.

Jennifer said...

I made the comment in my gumgate post that we weren’t shown Kate’s entire reaction. Again, I don’t know how it all played out, especially since Jon knew about the gum before Kate. I was told that the cameraman stopped taping and left the house.

Oh my--does that mean she spanked Collin over the gum???

Anonymous said...

Can I just please ask why you chose to have a blog instead of a message board?

Just my own curiosity. LOL

Anonymous said...

I don't understand the "continuity" issue with the beard. Does this mean that they just wanted him to keep it for a season, so that people would understand that is a current episode? Or does it mean that they are re-shooitng scenes for episodes over a long period of time? And if it is that they are re-shooting a lot of footage, what does that mean about the integrity of individual episodes? Does this imply that they working from a script? I am just not knowledgeable about that kind of thing.

Simon said...

I am just wondering if there is any way to begin censoring comments that suggest problems with any of the 8 children.

For example, "Tonight's salary goes straight into the Mady therapy fund."

I feel that Jon and Kate have assumed the risk of having their lives scrutinized, but, as Serena has often said, the kids have not consented to living in a public fishbowl.

Just as Jon and Kate are not considering their children's best interests, I think this site would be better served to not further increase the potential psychological problems that the children may someday face.

I just know that if I were Mady and I were to read the comments, it would affect me. Perhaps Mady doesn't enjoy school as much as Cara because other students at school taunt her. Shame on Kate if kids start using "Mady-dramatic" but shame on us if kids start asking "Hey Mady, how's your therapy going?"

Let's not do the same thing that Jon and Kate do to their children.

Anonymous said...

I am not one who personally takes on the role of 'arm chair psychologist' when it comes to expressing my opinion on a certain blog topic. However, I find it necessary as it applies to J & K. IMO, J & K's relationship represents the classic defintion of Peter Pan and Wendy Syndrome. Kate being 'Wendy' , goes to any length to keep Jon in a perpectual state of Peter Pan. In almost every episode Kate, belittles, demeans, and brings to light his immaturity and inadequecies both as a father and a husband in an attempt to justify herself as being the most realiable, competent, and responsible one. As a result, Kate treats Jon more like an overbearing mother than a loving and supportive spouse. “Wendy is the woman behind Peter Pan. There must be someone who deals with the things Peter Pan doesn’t do in order for Peter Pan to exist.” More often then not , and episode of J & K + 8 does not go by without Kate bringing light to the fact that it is HER world. "stand with me or against me", and Jon is but a mere character within that world and would not and could not exist if it werent for her . Unfortunately, there is a high liklihood that this Wendy and Peter Pan type behavior will reflect on to the children and the cycle repeat. Again, all of the above is MY OPINION.

queenie said...

"Is this [addition of blurring of products] an indication that they are losing sponsors?"

Likely, it is the exact opposite. When they were small-time, it didn't really matter what they showed on screen, this is what they like to drink, so what, this is just their real life...But now that they DO have so many sponsors, they will make damn sure they do not show ANY product for FREE. Now, as opposed to the beginning, if you want your product shown being used by the Gosselins, you will have to COUGH IT UP. No $$$ = blur.

Yeah, these parents are so down to earth.

Anonymous said...

In response to Kate's eyes looking odd in recent episodes. I dont think she has had anything done cosmetically. I think she and Collin look very similar in the eyes. Collin also has that sort of lazy one eye. Perhaps it becomes more noticable on Kate when she is and I hate to even say it, tired.

Barbara said...

I found last night's show so sad. Kate was in rarer form than normal and Jon was just out of it. I don't think Jon is a wimp, I just think he tries to make the best of a really bad situation and not air all their dirty laundry on TV. I just can't believe how everything was his fault, never hers. The poor guy in the background at Toys R Us that almost got a whiplash from her shouting (great comment, Fidelia!), and Jon pointing out all the other times she did that and her not even realizing or remembering doing it, but still defending herself to the death -- truly disturbing.

I agree about Kate's eyes. Has anyone thought about her comment about she would be Asian too if she could? Maybe she had her eyes fixed to look that way on purpose. I have really wondered about that several times.

I also feel very sorry for her parents. We will probably never hear the real truth about that situation, but it must hurt very much to hear your daughter say things like "I had no life experiences" and I was so "over-disciplined".

At the end of the show last night when she was talking about using this show as a counseling session for them - WHAT? On national TV? And it was very sad when Jon wouldn't even answer her about loving her until the filming stopped. He just seems dejected. He seems like he doesn't know what to do to fix things, and granted he has helped to create this monster situation in their life, but he seems about ready to just give up.

I have also noticed how she recoils when he really yells at her, as a previous poster stated. She actually seems scared at that time. Those are the only times I've ever felt sorry for her and whatever her issues are.

I wonder why I keep watching. I have watched since the very beginning and it's hard to stop. I hate that we are seeing the destruction of a marriage in such an intimate way. I wish they would get help.

sistah2 said...

"If someone called you up and said I would like to take your family on a trip for free...would you take it?"

...as some have said, I would first consider where this trip is, and is it appropriate for my kids now? I do not think J&K take that in consideration. If its free, jump on it, they say! For example, the trip to Utah. That is a totally unnecessary trip for 3 year olds. I know there are big ski families out there, but as you know the Gosselins are not. If they were , they'd have exposed the kids to the Poconos in PA. Also, acc. to Kate on a recent show, they'd never even been to the MOVIES. HOw about starting to expose the kids to a normal community life (preschool, movies, beaches, etc.) before you drag them to Utah to ski!? Oh, forgot , its free, who are they to say no? And social-climber Kate wanted the "glory" of staying in a million dollar home and another spa.

K.C. said...

Anonymous said...
If someone called you up and said I would like to take your family on a trip for free...would you take it?

If someone called you and said I would like to fix something about yourself that you don't like...would you do it?

If someone said, "You have a very interesting story and we would like for you to come and speak"...would you do it?

If you knew you could charge $25,000 to give a speech and people will actually PAY you that amount...would you???

Yeah...that's what I thought.


NO. Not if it meant I had to trade my innocent children's happiness and privacy to get those things. There is nothing FREE about their "freebies". Their children pay dearly.

Anonymous said...

I just discovered this blog yesterday, and it feels like a breath of fresh air. I've been watching J&K+8 for quite awhile now, but have become increasingly more uneasy with it lately. Clearly, the dynamics in this family are beyond disfunctional, and the ones who will ultimately suffer the most will be those children. K&J are adults...I don't feel sorry for either one of them. They make a decision to expose themselves and their children on a daily basis. But the children have no choice whatsoever in the matter. This level of transparency into the most intimate details of these childrens' live is truly disturbing. God only knows what freaks and weirdos watch this show. It really wouldn't be that difficult to track this family down..they give away a lot of information on the show. Frankly, I would be TERRIFIED for my children, yet K&J don't seem to worry at all. She's a nightmare and he's a floor mat. The kids are victims.

Anonymous said...

I have defended this couple a lot. I got kicked OFF of TWOP because I wasn't a foaming at the mouth hater (seriously the hyenas were reporting me for "repeating myself"). But this was ridiculous. I was flabbergasted that this woman is incapable of apologizing. Even now, I don't hate Kate. I feel very very sad for her. She has serious problems and apparently nobody in her life who cares enough about her to put her in her place. They just stand back and watch the crazy lady act crazy. This is not love. In fact the only person I've seen try to stop Kate from making an ass of herself is her daughter Mady who used cold reason to stop her from hurting Colin because she was mad with Jodi. An 8 year old. But not a single adult challenges her, stops her, warns her, cautions her - fights her to save herself (the way you do when the trainwreck is a person you care about). She is just given more and more rope to hang herself - and she does. She is a mess.

Anonni said...

Hmm, I wonder if this episode will be featured in reruns...

moi said...

I would like to comment on the so called "love taps." If the "love taps," are considered to be so loving. Then why doesn't Kate spread the love and offer those "love taps" to her children? I think the answer is pretty clear, that people would consider it to be a form of child abuse.

Actually, I think it would be more effective for people to envision the reaction if JON were the one doleing out "love taps" to KATE.

Anonymous said...

This "embarrassing moments" episode is shocking to watch. Kate Gosselin is a woman that has fallen so deeply into the abyss of her obsessions, her stress, exhaustion, perhaps her unhappy childhood memories, her narcissism, egotism, self-love and self-loathing, who knows what her demons are, she is totally unable to see herself for what she's become. As a human being, I have to feel sorry for her somehow. She appears to be destroying the very thing she's so obsessed with preserving at all costs: her family.

Serena said...

Can I just please ask why you chose to have a blog instead of a message board?

We opened a blog as a way to journal our observations and concerns about the Gosselin family and their show. We did not anticipate the volume of traffic that we'd receive.

Clearly the number of hits each day, and the number of comments being left, have grown to a level where a forum might be a more manageable option, but at this point we're kind of attached to the blog.

Just so you know, we are currently looking into ways to make this place more readable and easier to navigate. One option in the works is to have each blog entry display as a brief extract, like the opening paragraph only, and then to have a "Read More" link the reader can click on to expand the post. That way it won't be so unwieldy to scroll through long posts.

In the meantime, keep in mind some features that have already been put into place -- there is a "Top Three Topics" on the sidebar that gives a quick link to the three most heavily commented topics at any given time, and there is an Archive section where you can view a list of all the blog entries by post title.

Thanks to everyone for sticking with us -- we appreciate all our readers and what they have to say via their comments and emails!

I am just wondering if there is any way to begin censoring comments that suggest problems with any of the 8 children.

We do that to some extent. But we think it is important to air the concerns about the psychological and emotional damage being done by the ruthless and relentless child exploitation being perpetuated by these types of "reality" shows.

sistah2 said...

"But not a single adult challenges her, stops her, warns her, cautions her - fights her to save herself (the way you do when the trainwreck is a person you care about)."

...maybe many adults have attempted, but they were cut off, because they dared to confront her. Hence no family in her life, no friends left.

SmartyQ said...

I disagree about Jon. I think he was being sooo passive-aggressive.

It's like he is totally reacting to blogger comments. It seems like it is almost a sick game with...Really.


ITA. Jon has just as much blood on his hands as Kate when it comes to the weekly crucifixion of the children. He starting to believe, probably because of his Facebook seraglio, that he really is far superior to Kate, and, in the real world, they’re cut from the same piece of cloth.

Does anyone else think Jon's comment about donating the striped sweater to Goodwill was damage control? Of course

Also, I had a WTF moment when I heard Kate say that the tups 3rd birthday celebration was one of her favorite moments. Why? "I like what I say at the end." WTF? And she says that the statment she made at the end explains why she does what she does with the whole big birthday celebration. But, wait....there wasn't one this year. (And yes, I caught the tups were almost 4 as well - change of plans with the birthday "sha-bang"??)

Because TLC runs the episodes out of order, I guess someone didn’t catch Kate’s implying the tups’ fourth birthday party was going to be a big affair.

Kate looks tired and her face looks wonky. I can't quite put my finger on it.
It's Kate's eyes that are wonky. They're different shapes and one is smaller than the other. It's bugged me for a while now.

Kate’s right eyelid droops a little and sometimes a lot. Last week, she looked good in the red tube top. I wonder if she had le surgerie de boo-bay, and Jon did say she had been gone for three days. Plenty of time to get those pesky Cooper’s Droopers hiked up.

Serena said...

She has serious problems and apparently nobody in her life who cares enough about her to put her in her place.

Considering that Kate treats family members and friends like used tissue if they dare cross her, what point would there be? She can't even tolerate her own husband pointing out something very obviously over the top (e.g., her Disney meltdown) without going into major defensive mode. I doubt there is ANYTHING anyone could possibly hope to say that would get through to her at this point.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Serena for your response on the message board/blog post. I was not criticizing it at all, please believe that, just wanting to know why the decision to do so.

I appreciate this forum very much and i am humbled to be in your house.

Thanks for all you and the other mods do here and thanks for keeping it a reputable place.

J&K...just remember....You reap what you sow.

Anonymous said...

Katie Irene needs to hold on to her beliefs for dear life because the Good Lord is putting her to the test and she is going to have to rely on all that she believes to get her life back on the right track.

Serena said...

Thank you, Serena for your response on the message board/blog post. I was not criticizing it at all, please believe that, just wanting to know why the decision to do so.

Oh no problem, I didn't take it that way at all. :)

Tanya said...

I already posted but while the show was on last night something funny happened. My husband walks in in the middle of one of Kate's belittling rants, and My husband says somthing to the effect of "Wow i really don't have it bad at all!" I agreed, in fact i think husbands should watch it with their wives, so they can appriciate them better :)))

Anonymous said...

The reason show producers needed him to either keep or cut the beard is that they don't air the show in chronological order. A commom pratice.

So they don't want to air episodes where he has the beard one week...then without it the next and then have it back a few weeks later.

Anonymous said...

--I doubt there is ANYTHING anyone could possibly hope to say that would get through to her at this point.--

I can think of two people who could. Here are their quotes:

"We are cancelling this show. Our cameras will be out by COB tomorrow."

"I want a divorce and I will fight you for custody."

Serena said...

So they don't want to air episodes where he has the beard one week...then without it the next and then have it back a few weeks later.

Like we see on LPBW all the time, with Jeremy's hair... long ringlets one show, a buzz cut the next, back to ringlets the next, etc.

They didn't say Jon couldn't shave, they said that if he wanted to grow a beard, he had to stick with it for a certain duration of time, he couldn't grow it and then just a few weeks later shave it.

Anonymous said...

So in other words, Jon is not only being led around by his "goose balls" by Kate, he is also being led by "his producers?" ie...grow beard

Heh.

Cynthia said...

Hi group, the internet is a wonderous thing, there are so many different blogs about J&KP8.

I was just a viewer who loved watching J&KP8 and I still do. But after seeing Cupcakegate, I turned to the blogs cause I was outraged at first. I think in that case, the producers did not make it fully clear that the children already had celebrated their birthday. There was definately something fishy going on, I think they all wanted a big party again but somehow that got sabotaged.

I basically fall in between the general opinions of these various blogs. I find this one the most interesting:) The one on Facebook is becoming very critical though and there is a backlash. Check out the latest, I was surprised.

One bone of contention that I do have is, to those of you who think there is something bad about Kate's sunburn incident...first, what is the problem with it? Second, I laughed when I saw it because I do the same thing and it is intentional: 1) we don't get to be outside in the sun as much as we want, 2) we are very fair skinned and don't like to look like that during the summer months, it is part of our culture that white people should look tan in the summer or they are considered "ghostly." We know full well that the sunburn will be intense and hurt at first, but then it will fade and turn into a nice tan that lasts a while. There is something paralyzing that happens when laying in the sun, it is such a fabulous feeling. So even though it is a stupid thing to do, we do it. What is the evil other than to ourselves? I am trying to be out in the sun for shorter and more frequent amounts of time to avoid the one time outing burn.

I am thankful for J&KP8 and for this and other blogs. I personally think that the producers are to blame for much of all this because they wanted to turn this into a sensationalized series instead of leaning on the sweetness of the kids to make the show a success.

Cynthia said...

One more thing about this last episode that nobody has mentioned yet, they made fun of the way Joel talks again, and they just showed the wiener quote, not the time he said he was a girl, daddy's girl, because it seems like a wierd picture if you would air the two clips back to back (girl first, then wiener). I wonder how Joel feels when he sees his parents making fun of his speech impediment on national TV?

Anonymous said...

If someone called you up and said I would like to take your family on a trip for free...would you take it?

If someone called you and said I would like to fix something about yourself that you don't like...would you do it?

If someone said, "You have a very interesting story and we would like for you to come and speak"...would you do it?

If you knew you could charge $25,000 to give a speech and people will actually PAY you that amount...would you???

Yeah...that's what I thought.


I personally would be asking what's the catch to the free trip? I'm not interested in plastic surgery AT ALL. (If you want to fix my hair ok, but again, what's the catch?). Ripping people off? No thanks. And none of those things are very Christ-like. Christians? Are they following what they supposedly believe?

Anonymous said...

I also had your same sentiments on the sun, that is, until i got skin cancer on my face from years of sun in my teens and 20's. Now that I am in my 40's being "white" as opposed to "tan" really doesn't mean much anymore.

Anonymous said...

I could NOT believe the Embarrassing Moments show. It was horrid. My jaw just hung at Kate's rambling. She was so pleased with herself and she insulted and belittled her husband. Horrid! Kate is not mentally well. I don't say that to be cutting or hurtful but there has to be more here than just someone with absolutely no clue. I really thought Jon would stand up at some point and walk away and I would have applauded that. How she can believe that her behaviour is always justified, that she is always right, that he is always a child, that she is going to teach him to communicate come hell or high water and on and on. If that episode didn't capture her undiagnosed condition, nothing will. The show needs to come to an end and soon.

I think there are things afoot regarding the show given that J&K have posted a letter on their website.

Maybe there are a lot of innaccuracies out there regarding their lifestyle. I'd believe it, given all the spin out there put on television 'celebs.' I don't care if they are getting loads of endorsements or what, I do care that someone who is so out of touch with reality is running a household with so many children.

I also wonder about the executives at TLC who go home after work to their own kids. How do they sleep at night knowing the Gosselin kids are being exploited and being raised by someone who so clearly needs help? Where is Dr.Phil? He had them on his show - he's always saying, 'where were the adults?" when it comes to matters of protecting the kids. Surely someone on his show has seen this popular show and has made him aware of the absurdity of it.

Last night's show was my last. Take the kids Jon and run. I'd file for divorce if my spouse was so cruel and hurtful (on television, no less). If she refuses to get help, Jon needs to step up and get the kids out of there. I'm sure she has lots of strengths and positive attributes but she needs help and I write this with that in mind. I don't want to post this with a hateful attitude, but a concerned and bewildered one. Why is no one in a position of power at TLC standing up for these kids and this woman. She needs as much help as they do.

minxie said...

cynthia....
One bone of contention that I do have is, to those of you who think there is something bad about Kate's sunburn incident...first, what is the problem with it?
________________

For me the irritation is that Kate is so fussy and anal about many silly things, yet she leaves herself open to sun poisoning and, later down the road, skin cancer, and she just shrugs it off. She says she thinks sunblock feels greasy--but you can buy many non-greasy lotions. I had sun poisoning when I was about 20, same circumstances--fair haired, from the Midwest, down in Florida trying to get a quick tan. Instead I got chills, fever, and felt sick as a dog.

Another factor which Kate should think about because she is concerned with her looks: Sun ages a woman like nothing else. I'm in my 50's now and thank goodness I wised up at an earlier age because my skin isn't too bad. If Kate keeps baking herself she not only risks skin cancer, she will look like an old baseball mitt by the time she's 45. You can sit in the sun and feel its warmth and get a little color, but the kind of sunburn she got (and had before) is dangerous.

Anonymous said...

I couldn't watch the whole episode. Jon & Kate on the sofa is more than I can take. However, I did see enough to feel that they were attempting some damage control--I think I actually heard Jon talk back--but they just can't make it work. I don't think Jon and Kate are just playing us. That takes some skill and intelligence, and they don't seem to have much of either.

Cynthia said...

Thanks, Minxie, so much for explaining it to me! I don't think that Kate goes out into the sun much, except when they go on outings. She is not an outdoor person, notice how she always stays in the garage when they are outside playing.

I do agree with you about the skin cancer and how the sun ages the face. It is a harmful value that us fair skinned women learn early on. I wouldn't blame Kate for that, yes, it does seem like an inconsistancy in her personality, though.

On another note, I also think the kids look generally happy, except of course, for the "--gate" incidents. I am very sad for the tups that they didn't get a wonderful birthday party this year, I was so looking forward to it cause I loved the carnival themed party that had last year. How anti-climactic for us viewers, the producers really flubbed on that one, it was totally LAME!

Anonymous said...

I think they are starting to feed into the stereotypes for television ratings. Remember "Friends"? Phoebe and Joey got ditzier as the seasons went on; in the beginning they weren't nearly as kookoo bananas as they were at the end of the series. People tune in to see the silliness, the extremes.

Maybe the PR firm that J&K hired is having them to boost ratings and have tongues wagging by having them be true extremists.

The only thing that seems real is Jon and his distance from Kate. Kate can obviously tell that she's losing him. The begging on the couch made her look pitiful, like a hungry puppy!

Cynthia said...

I have a suggestion for the producers, they should stick to episodes that focus on the kids. We really only get very small glimpses at their individual personalities, the episodes where they take the kids out one at a time were very interesting.

They should devote one episode to each child exclusively and interview them about what they like best, etc. and maybe show some footage of each that we may not have seen before.

Here's one example, they showed on one episode that Hannah likes to play alone all the time, I didn't get that impression of her from the other episodes, she seemed to need her siblings with her when she went pony riding. I would like to know more about their personalities as indviduals.

Do you remember ugly drama in the episodes where they take the children out individually? I don't, but the producers obviously are going the route of sensationalism with J&K's marriage, a bad choice for the long term. I do wish Kate would have gone out on the ones with the boys, the excuses were again LAME!I'm not assuming that it was Kate's decision not to go, I just think that the producers wanted it that way for some unknown reason.

Anonymous said...

I would be surprised if there is anyone that would still want to be friends with Kate or any family member that would want to spend time with her. The woman is horrible.

I know Jon is a willing accomplice in this sideshow, but it was such a cringe-inducing 30 minutes, watching her berate him at every turn.

The best thing these two could do is end this show now and head to marriage counseling, but I have a feeling they will keep this going, showing us the good, bad, and ugly of a crumbling dysfunctional marriage and the psychological effects on a family when the parents seek fame and fortune at the expense of their kids.

Thanks for this blog.

avidshrewwatcher said...

People, people, people. None of this can possibly be true! I don't see the Gosselin Authenticity Stamp on any of these posts! LOL!

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