Body Language is 70% of the Message

Where I work, and this is with folks who have limited speech ability – BODY LANGUAGE is 70% of the message. So let’s look at Kate and Jon’s body language (I’ve watched some episodes with the sound off):

Kate – besides her snappish attitude verbally, what are you noticing? Besides that she is always “exhausted”.


When she was at the now-infamous Cupcake Gate bakery – her body posture was slouching, with her arms crossed the entire time. This is considered a very negative message from her – she is disinterested in what her children are doing – and only speaks to tell them not to be messy. Not to encourage any of their creativity – but to sit and complain at all. Her lips continued to purse together in disapproval, rolling her eyes, and sullen face – not counting the laziness of not picking up a chair to move across the room to another table. Basically she came off as a petulant brat. Maybe they asked them to pay for the cupcakes.


Jon would have been better off to bring all 8 kids there by himself. The bakery staff were kind, courteous and giving the kids a fun time. They could have easily handled the kids and Jon could have been the supportive parent – AND the kids would have gotten their cupcakes. I’m sure the 75 minute ride home would have worked most of the sugar out of their systems. The aprons were the right idea – bringing Kate along: the wrong idea. Leave her home to sleep.


Usually when Kate is doing activities such as cooking, she continues to whip her body around, slouching while speaking, constantly wiping her forehead like she has toiled mightily at the riverbed with her rocks to launder the kids’ clothes. When she speaks to the children her hands are either at her hips (Judgmental/Bossy) or crossed at her chest (Disinterest/Blocking). When she speaks to the camera or Jon, she has one hand on her hip (or both – again back to Judgmental/Bossy) and she rolls her eyes and grimaces at some of Jon’s replies. These are histrionic actions on her part to garner attention. Additionally, when she is sitting with the children she usually doesn’t always allow one in her lap – they will grow so fast and miss so much of their physical love – she isolates herself away from them and Jon. Sometimes it looks like the only time she sits with Jon is when they are on camera in the basement for the show.


Now let’s look at Jon’s body language: in non-professional terms, he is “whipped”. He is very passive in his stance, hangs his head a lot and now we are seeing more and more on camera (and past the editing process) that verbally he is starting to stand up for himself – and sometimes the kids – more. He usually does not come down to the kids’ level to speak with them, but it is good that he is on the floor when he is dressing them.


By the way, at age 4 these kids should have more skills than we are seeing. ESPECIALLY if both parents are home. They should be able to sit in real chairs, use real glasses and no bibs at the table. Kate’s OCD issues should not cause these children to not gain the real world skills they need. The younger children will be heading to pre-kinder soon, and the more skills they have the better. They can’t use sippy cups all their lives. Ever heard of straws? If they were so worried about stains they should have waited until AFTER the children learned how to drink in normal glasses before changing out the carpeting.


In my opinion, the Gosselins should slow down the shooting schedule, let the family members that have been cut out of the kids’ lives back in, and be a real family again that just happens to have a camera crew following them. Rather than a TV show that happens to have your kids in it.


I would think that each generation tries to redeem itself and not make the same mistakes unto their kids. I will use myself as an example, my parents were not “huggers” or demonstrative to my younger sibling or myself – so I tend to overcompensate on that with my child and spouse. Plus we work on talking things out, not yelling as may have occurred. Jon and Kate’s children are learning so far: Time Out, go away from me and play I’m busy, hug when you hit, cameras in face all the time, and Mommy yells at Daddy and us a lot. All of us have memories of our parents doing something /promising something that never happened. I promised myself I would not ever lie or break a promise to my child. I’ve succeeded thus far.


How many of you have noticed the body language changes of the older girls? Cara is very withdrawn, purposely avoiding the camera - only being in shots when she is forced to. The recent "official jumping the shark" music video being a prime example. She was slouching and going away from the camera, and in the "end" shot, she was sitting on the end with her head in her hands, very negative body language. Basically, she didn’t want to be there and she seems to be avoiding the cameras more and more.


Cara could well be the nicer of the two older girls, but since Mady always performs for the camera like a canned ham no matter what - she gets the "face time" and I think nothing Cara can do will elicit praise or positive actions from her parents.


I fear that Aaden, Collin, Joel, Hannah, Leah, Alexis, Cara and Mady will be working hard to wrestle the demons of their childhood and I hope they have supportive professional people in the days and years to come. Even “SURVIVOR” makes sure there are mental health professionals to monitor the people on their reality show – where are the people to protect and advocate for the Gosselin children? I know we have our band of folks, but TLC needs to be looking at the long-term situation for these children not just their ratings.


Submitted for publication by Beejcctx.

50 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ok pretty funny stuff the whole cupcake thread. What I liked was when Jon took one of the boys to see the "cows" and they ate apple dumplings. You know Kate just wanted to crawl up the wall when she found out dinner was made of apple dumplings and ice cream.

Anonymous said...

Why do you say that they got free beds? I saw the sales guy total up the invoice at the bed store and even though we didn't see them hand over their credit card, they had to pay for those themselves. You actually think they handed off the invoice to TLC?? I don't think so.

Anonymous said...

How do we know they didn't pay for the beds?

Well, they showed the name of the furniture store several times. In TV world, that means product placement, which means free. If the store didn't give them something for free we wouldn't have seen ANYTHING with the store name.

FIONA said...

You actually think they handed off the invoice to TLC?? I don't think so.



I think so.

Anonymous said...

Either way, TLC is footing the bill. Dionne quints, Take 2!

Anonymous said...

Showing the furniture store's name and hours probably got them a nice discount on the price but I highly doubt TLC is into providing more freebies for them. TV is all about profit for the network. How are they profiting if they are paying for all of J&K's freebies and free advertising for various stores/outings??? Using that same logic, how did the kids dentists get paid? Oh, I guess TLC picked up that tab too right? I mean her hours and name were prominently displayed during the one episode. How about Crayola and Dutch Wonderland, and Disney, and Sesame Place...the network is not paying for all their perks. Unless you have absolute proof of this, it's a moot point. And I don't like the Gosselins, but to assume the network pays for all their outings is ludicrous. Yes, there are companies that send free stuff in lieu of advertising, but that is different.

Anonymous said...

How about Crayola and Dutch Wonderland, and Disney, and Sesame Place...the network is not paying for all their perks. Unless you have absolute proof of this, it's a moot point. And I don't like the Gosselins, but to assume the network pays for all their outings is ludicrous.

Okay, answer this...

How could a family of 10 where neither of the parents has a job afford to do these things?

It's amazing that people who couldn't afford to go on a Disney vacation themselves gladly pony up love offerings so that the Gosselins can go on one.

Well, you know what they say about a fool and his money...

Anonymous said...

The Dionne Quints were removed from their parent's care, with the parent's agreement and their Guardianship was the Canadian Government. What does that have to do with Jon and Kate?

moi said...

Do people really think the Gosselins are paying for these things themselves? LMAO!!

These are the same people that have been giving a sob-story at church speaking engagements and having the plate passed for poor them.

And yet they're going to run hither-thither-and-yon and shell out one red cent for:

-six twin beds
-golf clubs for 4 year olds
-massive amounts of kid-painted pottery
-organic dinners out
-ski lessons
-ski lodges
-studio pics of the family
-a piano!!
-matching Gymboree and Gap outfits

Just to name a few things!

Anonymous said...

Actually, I read on another message board that they got the tickets for Dutch Wonderland for free.

The production company called the Dutch Wonderland office and asked if they could film there. Of course they said yes, free publicity, and in return, we'll give you free tickets and a free lunch for everyone in the party.

minxie said...

Neither J nor K have jobs, so even if they wrote a check to the furniture store (which I doubt), the money in effect comes from TLC and/or "love offerings". When I first saw the episode I thought, wow, that's a lot for J & K to spend on beds. Now we know the truth.

anabolotin said...

you forgot to mention the way, nine times out of ten, jon and kate sit as far from each other as possible on that little couch during interviews!

like so awkwardly leaning away from each other that i wince a little bit.

Anonymous said...

Kate and Jon have jobs. Their jobs are to participate in a reality show. Of course they are being paid to do it. If the producers want to shoot a particular event that the family wouldn't have done but for the fact that the producers want to feature that activity in a show (i.e. the cupcake event), then the producers can pay for it. If a store wants to give them a discount in exchange for beds, then that is the store's business decision. I don't know that a discount is true, but I think that expenses for the show are a moot point as far as the ethics of Jon and Kate being compensated. It's just business and every participant of a reality show gets those quirks. Have you noticed all the improvements to the Roloff's property since their show began? At the beginning of it Matt Roloff had just gone back to his old job because money was tight. I don't begrudge either the Roloff's or the Gosselin's the perks of having a successful reality show.

None of the above pertains to the "love offerings." I do find that appalling and manipulative of people's generosity, and wish that J&K would ask the church members to contribute the money to other families who have suddenly found themselves with many multiples. J&K are now doing fine financially.

None of the above pertains to whether other people are also paid. Regulars on reality shows are paid. It is just business. IMO Jodi and Beth should have been paid if it was understood that they were going to be regulars. Making it personal was a mistake on Kate's (and Jon's) part. I think that they will look back and regret the decision in the long run.

Anonymous said...

If the producers want to shoot a particular event that the family wouldn't have done but for the fact that the producers want to feature that activity in a show (i.e. the cupcake event), then the producers can pay for it.

See, this is the problem.

The show is no longer about a large family trying to survive.

It is now a show about watching a large family go on "zany" adventures scripted by the "producers".

This is no longer about the producers filming what happens in the lives of the children. Now the show is about manufacturing "events" in the lives of the children. The family is no longer the boss, it is at the whim of the producers.

What we now see is just as scripted as an episode of Lost.

While to you and I this is obvious, how many out there are still living under the impression that Kate is "Supermom" and that this family is still just barely scraping by?

Serena said...

The Dionne Quints were removed from their parent's care, with the parent's agreement and their Guardianship was the Canadian Government. What does that have to do with Jon and Kate?

Exploitation of young children by greedy unscrupulous people? Check.

Forcing children to live on display in a fishbowl? Check.

Turning a profit by exhibiting young children in their "natural habitat"? Check.

Whether it's done by a government or by the children's own parents, it's wrong. I think the Dionne Quints and the Gosselin children have plenty in common.

Anonymous said...

I know it is easy to bash Kate, I often find myself yelling at the TV while watching J&K, but I think it is safe to say that Kate acts the way she does because she has some emotional/psychological issues. That being said, who doesn't right? Unfortunately, not everyone is equipped to handle these types of problems. I honestly think that it would be in the best interest of their entire family if Kate underwent some extensive therapy, to the point of signing herself in to a facility for a month or so. Yes, it would be hard on the kids, but in the long wrong it would be best for all of them. It is so obvious that she is a HURT person who has not dealt with whatever issues she has and unfortunately, the ones suffering the most are her babies. I really hope she gets the help she needs.

laurie said...

Okay I'm not sure if this fits in with this post but I didn't know where to put it. LOL

When I watched jon make the Korean dinner I was thrilled that he tried. The entire episode was annoying to me though, because Kate couldn't "make the kids lunch" since he was in the kitchen preparing for dinner. Wouldn't this be a good day to get a pizza ordered in for lunch? LOL Pizza hut delivers, btw. lol Anyway, i thought it was sour of her to begrudge him having full use of the kitchen since he was going to all the trouble to cook an Asian meal. JMO. It's like she always has to make a mess of things with her attitude.

so what does kate do? she hides in her bedroom on the laptop? huh? that makes NO sense? what were the children doing while she was in her room? oh wait, that babysitter was there, right? ugh.

my hubby cooks most of our meals so it's really not a big deal for ME to leave him to the kitchen, which i feel is "his" area anyway. lol but, even if he didn't cook and then OFFERED to cook, i would be SO thrilled that i would make sure he knew how pleased i was that he took the time to make us a new meal. ya know?

she needs a good dose of grattitude. if she is grateful she needs to show it more, be more loving. if jon is her best friend she has a rough way of showing it. ugh.

like i said once before, it's an entire show dedicated on how NOT to behave with your spouse and children.

Laurie

laura linger said...

If the show is indeed scripted, then Paul Petersen and his activist group A Minor Consideration need to get involved with the show. Today.

The whole "reality show" thing allows adults to skirt a lot of child labor stuff. The Gosselin children are as much performers as the kids on anything you see on the Disney channel or whatever. Their interests, both personal and financial, must be protected and I think we have established that right now, that is not happening.

sugarjay said...

I think the show is scripted in a way too. It's like they're trying to find new messy activities for the kids to do. That's one of the reasons I think it's unfair to the kids. It's almost like whoever comes up with episode ideas is saying hmmm, what would make Kate go batshit crazy? I know, let's make her take the kids to a pottery place so they have to use PAINT. How about if they get to decorate cupcakes? That would be like killing 2 birds with one stone: messy icing AND junkfood.

Anybody who watches the show would know that the cupcake outing was going to get weird. It obviously was the show's idea to do the cupcakes activity, and Kate even made a snotty remark about it on the episode. She said something like 'oh yay, food coloring,' it was obvious she didn't want to do the pottery painting activity either. That's probably why she had such an attitude in the van before they left.

I mean seriously, this is the woman who confiscated the one hershey's kiss the kids got at the hersey factory and wouldn't let her kids use washable markers at the crayola factory. So obviously they know exactly what they're doing by sending them to places involving things Kate herself has said she doesn't like and I think it is REALLY unfair to those kids that they have to deal with the brunt of Kate's issues, it's like they're being set up.

NewMom08 said...

Well...the G's are willing participants in the set up..I mean anyone (not just Kate Gosselin) who would take their kids to PAINT anything dressed in white is a little off, IMO.
You don't have to have OCD to know that.

NewMom08 said...

As far as the freebies...this show makes TLC/Disocery MILLIONS, folks.
It makes the Gosselins MILLIONS, folks. TLC I'm sure pays for most everything used on the show....its all considered props/sets/set decor, etc....costumes (all the clothing bought and not sent free).
Let's not underestimate this

Anonymous said...

sugarjay said: "I mean seriously, this is the woman who confiscated the one hershey's kiss the kids got at the hersey factory . . ."

To be entirely fair to Kate, she took them away until after they ate lunch. She may or may not be causing them lifelong damage, but the "no desert until a meal is eaten" seems to be a fairly consistent rule.

sugarjay said...

Newmom, yes obviously Jon & Kate are willing participants in it. Clearly Jon is content to have no job other than the show as is Kate. My problem is, that it seems to me like their kids are working hard for their living. It is not fair to put those kids in stressful situations. If I was four years old and in the car with my mother while she gave my father an attitude and threw shoes out the window I would feel stressed out. If I was four and trying to enjoy my birthday activity of decorating cupcakes and my mother was bitching, insulting my dirty fingernails (which is Kate's own fault if her kid has dirty hands, he is only four years old after all), telling me she wouldn't eat anything I made, and harping on me about not getting a speck of icing on my freaking APRON, I would feel stressed out. Those are all activities that are obviously not Jon & Kate's ideas but they're going along with it for the show.

Do you really think Kate Gosselin would voluntarily take five kids to paint shit? Hell no. Do you think she would take them to a place with the dreaded 'edible food coloring' where they might get a speck on their apron and then get to eat a cupcake? And a non organic cupcake at that! The horror. Don't think so.

And about the hershey's kisses. I can't remember specifically because I didn't loathe Kate as much then as I do now and it's been a while since I saw that episode....but I think I remember that she ended up bribing the kids with the hershey's kiss or something. She never said give it to me until you finish lunch if I recall correctly. But let's be realistic here. Kate is known for being a hard ass over candy. This is the woman who took away the candy from the fourth of july parade, didn't like the fact that Jodi gave them non organic lollipops and in the behind the scenes episode I remember someone from the crew saying something about Kate getting mad if they gave the kids jellybeans. It obviously wasn't her idea to go to the bakery and decorate cupcakes for the kids to eat, that's the point I was trying to make.

NewMom08 said...

Jay:
No,ITA; my point is exactly that...J+K are living a contrived life for the sake of the dollar. I can really not even wrap my head around what that does or will do to the tups. It seems as if nothing in their lives is "real". Its all done for the sake of the script and the camera. The things that are done are for creating a good show.
Now, to be fair, we DON'T know what happens on days they are not filming, so interpret them as you wish...but there is alot of playing to the camera, IMO.
On a side note...wouldn't ya love to know where Kate was web browsing while reclining in her bed?...

mf23 said...

I'm a big fan of the show but GWoP has recently been brought to my attention and I thoroughly enjoy reading the episode recaps and I find them to be hilarious. The only thing that bothers me a little bit is the incessant belief that everything on the show has been given to the Gosselins for free.
I work in reality television and I can tell you that A LOT of negotiations have to go on in order to film in a store. It's a big inconvenience for any store to have a camera crew come in and just offering the placement of the name is often not enough. If you walk in and say "Hi we are from TLC and we'd like to film in your store, you'll get a lot of publicity from this, we'll be sure to show the name of your store, so you should give us stuff for free."
Well people that own or run stores are not stupid and they see that this is a 2 for 1 deal. TLC would be asking for 2 things; to a)be given free things and b)to be allowed to film in the store. In turn, the store is only given 1 payback--publicity.

So often times when you see the name of the store shown it is a placement but it's not because the product was given for free, its payback for being allowed to film in the store.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe their life is very contrived and that production fishes for things to do to create "entertaining" episodes, I just wanted to help clear some things up and shed some light on what goes on. And yes, TLC may take up the bill for Jon and Kate so essentially it is free for them, but that would not be a product placement, someone had to pay and the company did get money.

Tanya said...

HEY think about it! Jon and Kate don't work, they get payed by TLC Sooooo yes TLC does pay for all those things. Either directly or through the checks they give J&K. So stop bickering everyone lol anyways...i have to admit i can have negative body language with my husband and son just as kate. But 99% of the the time she is just negative negatative negative! No one is perfect...one should always always praise their child for the good things they do. I wasn't and i can tell you all my good memories from when i was a child were of my older sister who gave me all that love and attention....thinking on it....no one is perfect. But you think kate would stop acting like a brat knowing the whole world is watching her and seeing how immature she is? At least when the cameras are there she could at least fake being loving or something. And if this is what we see on camera! wooo! I can only imagine what happens off it!

BTW I love you guys (GWoP) you entertain, enlighten, and inform me daily! :)

sugarjay said...

Newmom LOL Yes, I was thinking the same thing about Kate on her laptop. I have a few suspicions about what she might have been looking at.

sugarjay said...

Newmom, about the show making them millions. That's my other major problem with J & K. That they rake in money with their reality show and then they go and ask for donations from people who have less than them. The sham they try and get people to believe in is so nuts I can't believe they even try it! In my book you have to be batshit crazy to go on YOUR OWN REALITY SHOW and tell people that you're a regular person and can't afford tooth whitening or hairplugs unless they're donated. Do any of the people who give J & K 'love offerings' ever watch the show? Surely they can't believe that J & K are doing it for free. And now with the asking for college fund money? I would love to know what's in the college funds of the children whose parents are donating to the tups college education. I think it's ridiculous to even ask for something like that personally, lots of people have gone to college without all of the money for it sitting in the bank.

Anonymous said...

Would anyone be working some kind of 40K a year job when they make hundreds of thousands a year on a hit Show? Not in the Real World!

Anonymous said...

Here is a question for my fellow posters...

Many people do speaking engagements for a fee. Kenny McCaughey supported his septuplets in this way for a while, former presidents and first ladies charge a speaking fee, I know that there is a mother of formerly conjoined twins who also does speaking engagements. I don't really see anything wrong with this.

If Jon and Kate wanted to do this, I personally wouldn't think anything was wrong with it. I have an issue with the way these children are exploited, exposed, and analyzed in their daily lives in front of millions. It is like the "Truman Show" times eight (children, that is). I also have an issue with "love offerings" instead of just a simple flat fee for the speaking engagement.

Would anyone else think differently about Jon and Kate doing speaking engagements for a flat fee instead of doing it for "love offerings" or would you feel pretty much the same?

sabrinasmom said...

Would anyone else think differently about Jon and Kate doing speaking engagements for a flat fee instead of doing it for "love offerings" or would you feel pretty much the same?

For me, it's not the love offerings or whether or not they receive a speaking fee - the issue I have is the misinformation, the variations of the truth & the blatant lies.

Jon and Kate were never so destitute that they had to look for change in their couch to pay for their mortgage. "Truth" blew the lid off of that one.

I have said this previously - Jon and Kate chose to do this show - for the money. If they choose to exploit their children for money, they have a right to. The effects of what this does to their children will ultimately fall on their shoulders, but IMO anyone who would even subject their own flesh and blood to this is severely lacking in scruples.

I have seen (read) the almost cult like following these two have. For those people, nothing can be said to dissuade them from admiring these two. For the rest of us - you don't have to be an insider to know this - the stories are just not adding up.

"What I would like" is for them just to be HONEST. I would like them to admit, they never needed money - they just want MORE. Then, if someone chooses to give, at least they were informed.

For those who say people are watching the shows looking for things to harp on it's true. If you were having a conversation with someone you know is a liar - wouldn't you pay a little bit more attention?

For example, the defenders of Cupcakegate say the boys did not ask for their cupcakes again because they knew, that if they did it's an automatic time out and they definitely would not get their cupcake - this was based on what was said in the episode with Alexis and the bagel.

Well, "Babies and Bedrooms" is on right now (it seems whenever I turn on TLC - Jon and Kate is on) and all of the kids are chanting (including Hannah) "I want Lemonade". If the tups know this to be a "rule" why were they all not sent to time out?

BTW - they all got lemonade.

Anonymous said...

Would anyone else think differently about Jon and Kate doing speaking engagements for a flat fee instead of doing it for "love offerings" or would you feel pretty much the same?

I would have no problem with them doing speaking engagements - without the kids - or at least I'd have fewer problems than the daily intrusion into the private lives of these children.

I still think it's a shame that the adult Gosselins have chosen to make their living based on the fact that they happened to reproduce multiples -- but if someone wants to pay to hear their story, then it's a free country.

Anonymous said...

Add me to the list of those who do not have a problem with J&K getting a speaking engagement fee but have a problem with "love offerings". With a speaking fee it is clear what you are paying for, you are paying to see J&K speak and hear what they have to say. The "love offerings" are just too ambiguous. What is a "love offering?" Did this just somehow evolve because people asked how they could help early on and this was done to facilitate (kind of like a bridal registry i.e. people want to know how best to help out a newly married couple so the couple register as a way to let people know how best to help them)? How is the money actually being used? What kind of accountability and auditing trail is in place to ensure that the donations are properly spent or do they in fact have free rein?

iluveeyore said...

"I would have no problem with them doing speaking engagements - without the kids - or at least I'd have fewer problems than the daily intrusion into the private lives of these children."

I don't think they go to speaking engagements with the kids -- at least not with the tups. That is one of the reasons the tups seem to have separation anxiety.

Anonymous said...

I have no problem with J & K getting paid a speaker's fee. IMO, the bigger question is; why would anyone actually pay to hear them speak? Their story is so like four years ago. With all the tragedy and chaos in our world present day,ie WAR. Im sure there are far more inspirational stories to be heard!

Anonymous said...

TLC does not care one wit about those kids - For them, it is all about the ratings.

sugarjay said...

anonymous 8:00, no I would not put my children out there like Jon & Kate do so I wouldn't have to work a real job. I would not have them all over television attracting the attention of any variety of creepy weirdo who could very easily find out where I lived. Nor would I have footage of them on potties or in the shower airing on national telvision for kiddie pervs to look at. I would have a problem with some camera guy and a microphone dangling in front of my four year old recording him while he has a meltdown and cries. Just to name a few. Sorry.

I don't care about speaking fees personally, to each his own. If people want to hear J & K I couldn't care less if they want to pay for a ticket. But I do have a problem with blatant lying. It's the blatant lying that makes people more inclined to donate. They were never destitute, Kate's parents ARE involved with other grandchildren, etc. It's the sob stories that make people open their wallets and J & K know that. I think it's disgusting that J & K would lead people who have less then them to donate money based on lies.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with sabrinasmom. For me, it has always been about the blatant lies.
Sheeples can give whatever they want but the gall of Jon and Kate to misrepresent their financial situation and scam money out of people less fortunate is unforgiveable.
I keep thinking even though the followers are like a cult maybe someday the TRUTH will get out. BUT do you notice how every time the truth gets close to coming out, Jon and/or Kate and their "team" step in to shut down the forums, etc.
TWOP admitted that it was the Jon and Kate followers that started the problems on that forum, eventually it closed. That was exactly what Jon & Kate wanted. Over the past few weeks many posters have thought it strange that many boards are mysteriously shut down, the speaking schedule has been removed so organizers are not approached about the true Jon and Kate, etc..
Well, it seems they are keeping one step ahead of the truth. I am ready for someone to confront them at a speaking engagement about college funds, their personal chef, Aunt Jodi, the list goes on and on.
Oh, I am sure that Kate will be ready with a good lie but would love to see her squirm a little.

Anonymous said...

In regards to body language, they remind me of an old bickering couple and it's kind of like Burns & Allen. I think it's funny as hell.


Yes, I see her do a lot of eye rolling and I see him mumbling under his breath aout her as she pulls out the driveway, etc., which some people would regard as a high form of disrespect, yet I do not. I view it like he's merely thinking aloud, really.


I often seem them scoot in closer to each other after they do something snarky or put their arm around the other person, though, which shows that they feel the need to remind the other person that it's a fleeting form of sarcasm and is not contemptuous.


I think they have done a lot of things wrong and it's clear that they're immature as hell. I don't dispute *that* for one minute, but even in their snarkiness and even in Jon's nonchalance and Kate's easy exasperation and abundant sarcasm, I can see that these two love each other.


I think they drive each other nuts and are both very different, but if they each dealt with each other or the kids exactly the same, I'd be more worried that their marriage isn't going to last. It's the different way they handle each other and that kids that allows me to see a spark between them and to believe that it's not a marriage/partnership that is going to fail anytime soon.

I think Jon stands up to her way more than a lot of fans or critics of the show give him credit for, too, but the guy does it in such an extremely quiet and almost emotionless way and with body language that does not stand still...he admonishes her as he's walking away, a clever, yet somewhat insolent and immature trick... that sometimes it winds up possibly being regarded as a half assed attempt to put her in her place.

I still think they should have waited longer to have babies and should have just stayed a couple a few more years, but it's too late now to turn back time, so there is no sense for me to get all "Cher" and try now to do so. Such is life.


I'd also like to say that I don't think Kate is OCD. She exhibits control freak tendencies and impatience/must be listened to and the center of attention, yes, but coming from a family where one family member is severely OCD and was diagnosed by a Ph.D. psychologist who's written books about the disorder, I don't think she is one.

OCD patients will sometimes do things like wash their hair four times a day, wash their hands enough times in 48 hours that they bleed in certain places, will rearrange stationery and envelopes that have never been written on for four hours in the middle of the night checking for dog earred corners, etc. etc. Yeah, Kate's got issues about cleanliness and a longing for her life to be as organized as it may have been before she had kids, sure, but OCD is far more serious and debilitating that what she's exhibted thus far on televison. Just my opinion speaking from family experience, though, and I'm not all super offended or anything that people would possibly think that about her. I just wanted to shed a little of real life on the subject. Thanks Serena and all!

minxie said...

Anon 9:11
I think they have done a lot of things wrong and it's clear that they're immature as hell. I don't dispute *that* for one minute, but even in their snarkiness and even in Jon's nonchalance and Kate's easy exasperation and abundant sarcasm, I can see that these two love each other.
___________

See, I really don't see that. I see a lot of hostility from both of them. Kate's hostility is more pronounced, but Jon's immature mumbling and over-the-shoulder sniping is just as bad. When I look at the early clips of them they did seem in love and happy to be together--even in the two early specials, with all the stresses of the tups. Now they just seem like they are tolerating each other for their kids' sake and to ride the Gosselin Gravy Train. Maybe there is still some love there--but they need heavy duty marital counseling, and somehow Kate doesn't strike me as the type to listen to honest discussion about her flaws.

Also, the more recent couch cuddling and affection strikes me as almost laughably phony--as if Jen told them to act nicer because TLC was getting negative feedback. Anything for the show, you know.

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

"TLC may take up the bill for Jon and Kate so essentially it is free for them, but that would not be a product placement, someone had to pay and the company did get money."

This is true. During the 1st and maybe 2nd season, I don't think they were making much money per episode. The big draw was getting whatever they wanted/needed for free. Everything you see them do or buy is paid for by the show. They basically gave the show a wishlist, got what they wanted, and worked it into an episode. Now I don't have the "receipts" to prove this, but that's what I've been told. They aren't paying for it out of their own money in any way. It is part of the production costs or budget for that episode. They want teeth whitening, Jon wants hair plugs- we'll make it an episode. Where do you want to go? Let's make it an episode. I'll bet Kate has always wanted to go to Hawaii. Sounds like fun to me!

There is also product placement, which is different. We've all seen the kids in Gap and Gymboree clothing. They get what they want for free, and then they wear it on the show as advertising. We've seen Juicy Juice and J&J products. They get paid to have those products on the show.

Fidelia said...

Thank you, Truth, for your very informative message. There is soooo much conjecture on any blog/board
that deals with J&K that one wonders what is true and what isn't. Someone reads something and nails that as "truth."

My guess is that next *season* we will see the building of a new home and a major trip - at least one.

Thank you, again.
Lauren

Anonymous said...

What is so mysterious?? Both board monitors wrote that the level of nastiness was so high, they would no longer allow themselves to be associated with it. That is clear.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how J&K will address the Enquirer article. That paper is available in hair and nail salons, supermarkets, waiting rooms, all kinds of places where people who don't necessarily read blogs will see it. Many could be people who would come to the speaking engagements. I'm willing to bet that there will be have to be some major damage control now to keep the love offerings rolling in. I hate to say it, but thank you National Enquirer.

Darcy said...

I wonder how J&K will address the Enquirer article. That paper is available in hair and nail salons, supermarkets, waiting rooms, all kinds of places where people who don't necessarily read blogs will see it. Many could be people who would come to the speaking engagements. I'm willing to bet that there will be have to be some major damage control now to keep the love offerings rolling in. I hate to say it, but thank you National Enquirer.

Did you see the update to their personal website?? They posted a messagae to their fans and I think in a way it was about the article.

sabrinasmom said...

Did you see the update to their personal website?? They posted a messagae to their fans and I think in a way it was about the article.

I was so pissed when I read the "statement". I email-ed "them". I deliberately did not address Jon and Kate because I don't think they even read their own e-mails now.

The subject of my e-mail was "Who is Lying"

"I have seen enough of the show to realize that it is a sham. Jon and Kate are nothing but opportunistic, hypocritical people. The fact that they claim to be Christian is an insult to all that truly live a life as Christ would. They are building an empire of materialism on the backs of their children.

I don't have to be reminded that what I read on the internet or in print may not be true, I also know just because "it has been approved" by Jon and Kate doesn't mean that it is the truth either.

I take the "we will not retaliate" comment to mean - that it will never be addressed on the show, or during any of the speaking engagements the facts that the children have been provided for (college included), Jon and Kate do employ a staff that takes care of all of their needs (chef, personal assistants, etc), Jon and Kate do not want anyone "to make money off the kids" except themselves, etc. etc. etc.

It is not society's responsibility to raise this family - it is also despicable that money is exchanged on variations of the truth and blatant lies.

"That is of course rather painful for those involved. One should not as a rule reveal one's secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous." Joseph Goebbels"

I think what set me off was at the end of their "statement" the following was in parenthesis

(This message has been personally written by Jon and Kate Gosselin)

Yeah, right.

Anonymous said...

According to J & K anyone who questions the truth is a 'jealous bystander'. That is the best they could come up with in their defense!! And again with the, 'our children will continue to be our top priority'. Yeah right ! I have seen enough J & K + 8 episodes over the years to know that statement is not necessarily the TRUTH.

Anonymous said...

Poor, insecure Kate. Of course she thinks that all criticism must be the product of someone's jealousy. She now has the material stuff that she didn't have as a child and can't imagine that anyone else wouldn't want or need it too. Kate's world view is seriously screwed up. Jon is a lackey. He's in this as deeply as she is now.

Anonymous said...

My favorite part of the statement on the J&K website reads as follows: "nothing you read on the internet or in print is true unless it is approved by us"...what an absolutely ridiculous statement! With that logic, I could post/publish a complimentary, flattering (and completely fabricated) story about how I spent the day with this fantastic couple volunteering at a battered women's shelter,soup kitchen,etc. I bet that my article would be quickly "approved" by J&K and would become part of their "truth". I laughed out loud when I read their posting...Kate must be really exhausted now..with all of thos articles and internet postings to approve! How will she ever get the organic food shopping done?

Anonymous said...

Good letter Sabrinasmom. Now I think we all need to send letters like that to the sponsors. That is where the money is and when they start pulling their advertising it will make TLC take a closer look at this scam.