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Three Nice Things About Kate Gosselin

She did a terrific job of being pregnant with six. She sacrificed a lot to be on constant bed rest, and she was blessed with six healthy children.

She dresses nicely and in an appropriate manner. She doesn't need a wardrobe makeover.

She doesn't have pets. Pets are great, but they are not for everyone. Pets don't belong in a household where messes are not permitted.

(Your randomly scheduled snark will resume after this post)

Okay, let's hear your thoughts. What do you think the Gosselins are doing right?

114 comments:

Dew said...

we rarely if ever have heard a curse word come out of either of their mouths, at least on the show. Most reality shows are full of this that and the other bad word. I give them credit for speaking rather cleanly and somewhat politely, most of the time, in front of their children.

Also, they usually speak to their children in a respectful, adult tone. I hate when parents talk down to kids, "you want a sucker my wittle baby wabie?" To their credit they don't do any of that stuff.

Angela said...

They haven't marketed the kids to the point that there is a "Barbie Babysits the Gosselins" set.

(I think the BBB crowd is gong to faint at the thought of this post!)

Anonymous said...

They do have a relationship with God and are not ashamed to put their religion out there for the world to see. They are trying to instill religious beliefs in their children and mention that they attend church services every Sunday. That is a positive!

Caitlin said...

I also think it's great they purchase organic foods and such...though how many times are we reminded of this in a given episode?

Anonymous said...

About Maddie's behavior-
My daughter is very high maintance, very much like Maddie. I get very frustrated and can't stand the dramatic reaction to things. I have to give Jon & Kate credit for knowing that their dramatic daughter is who she is. They don't freak out at her on camera. (Like when Maddie came home on her birthday and kicked the balloons. I would have had a hard time not raising my voice about that).

Anonymous said...

Yes, I think its great that she's into organic food- I am too and was before I ever watched the show so I can connect with her there. I also think I understand part of her tendency to throw tantrums at family outings, although I certainly don't condone it. She is so determined, almost too invested in her kids having a wonderful, perfect outing that she can't bare for anything to go wrong. She ends up spoiling the day because she can't stand any least little mishap, and has a tantrum. I wish she could understand that sometimes, if you don't make a horse's behind out of yourself, those mishaps are the best part of the memories. If you start screaming, there's nothing to look back on and laugh about.

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate seem to recognize and celebrate the uniqueness of each of their children.

Their kids don't appear to watch much TV and instead seem to be involved in a lot of imaginative games and play (dress up, pretend, etc.).

I also think that Jon and Kate do a good job of teaching their kids the basics they'll need in advance of school. This was clear in the very early episodes/specials when a young Cara and Mady were articulate and able to spell. I think the sextuplets are also doing well in this area. I recall an episode when they were packing for a trip and Kate was using the opportunity to have some of the kids practice they're counting. Also, I remember and episode where she was shoing one of them (Leah?) a shirt with her name on it and pointing out the letters to her. Leah was able to spell her name before Kate said the letters.

And I agree with the poster above that they show great patience with Mady, especially Kate. She appreciates who Mady is and works to adjust her own reactions and behavior to be most effective with Mady.

Kate said...

I had been considering creating a post like this, as sometimes the snark goes on overload when it comes to J&K. I'm glad someone else feels the same, even if it's just for a short time.

So here are some of the things that I like about the family.

* I like that they are interested in traditions and making memories

* I can appreciate wanting to stay at home with the children and not miss any important milestones

* I think it's great that they are understanding of the fact that each child is different and special in their own way

* I like that they don't always create the "fourth wall" of television... we hear Jen's voice, see the camera men, etc. It helps to remind you that it is real

Anonymous said...

Jon gives me a good laugh now and then with his comments, and I like that he tries to have fun with his kids.

Anonymous said...

I thought maybe I was on the other site for a minute. Ha. Her kids are in general very well behaved. Come on, we have to give Kate some credit for this!

Anonymous said...

1. Kate is a snappy dresser, she wears adorable earrings, and her hair is awesome.

2. The live a healthy lifestyle: good food, exercise, etc.

3. The children are well behaved, curious, and have sweet dispositions.

4. They got the girls music lessons, which I think is great.

5. Kate keeps a very tidy home.

6. Kate makes sure to get "me" time, which is hard once you have kids.

Anonymous said...

Although Kate and Jon have both admitted that they spank their children, they have also said that they won't do it on tape to be shown on National Television. A surprisingly good decision, imho.

I would bet, though, that besides putting them in Time Out it is the only form of discipline she uses because she seems to be at a loss for what to do about bad behavior that is being filmed.

WatchOverThem said...

They haven't done a stain-remover or laundry product placement yet ;-)

Anonymous said...

They're managing to get through this stage in their lives without having to worry about the responsibility and committment of a 'real job.' While others would worry about their pride and integrity and committment to making an honest living maybe in a similar situation, Jon and Kate seem to have no worries and are trudging along without having to answer to many (burned bridges and even more dissolved relationships aside of course!)

Anonymous said...

You're kidding me with this post, right? Arent't you...? Please ay you are.

Anonymous said...

Here are some of the things I enjoy about them...

*they know who they are, good and bad, and they still allow us to peak into their lives

*i think the kids are VERY well behaved. i can't imagine trying to discipline six 4 year olds at the same time.

*Kate may have helpers there, but she's there too. They have found a way to be home with their kids and still make ends meet.

*The kids seem so friendly and outgoing and I attribute that to not only have so many siblings but to J&K for helping to mold strong personalities.

*Lastly, I think J&K are doing a great job with Mady. They realize she's a bit of a drama queen and handle it accordingly. But they also realize that Mady is a strong little girl who will some day be President.

FIONA said...

Anonymous said...
About Maddie's behavior-
My daughter is very high maintance, very much like Maddie. I get very frustrated and can't stand the dramatic reaction to things. I have to give Jon & Kate credit for knowing that their dramatic daughter is who she is. They don't freak out at her on camera. (Like when Maddie came home on her birthday and kicked the balloons. I would have had a hard time not raising my voice about that).

July 26, 2008 2:01 PM

I wouldn't call this a good thing, myself, because I think alot of Mady's issue's stem directly from decsions that Kon have made: 6 more babies, tv show, not dealing properly with her behavior etc...

Instead they have a name for it...MADY DRAMATICS!

FIONA said...

Jon and Kate seem to recognize and celebrate the uniqueness of each of their children.


Jon did not even know if his son's were right or left handed when purchasing golf clubs. This does not indicate to me that he knows much at all. That is a huge visual trait that is demonstrated many times thru out a day.

SecretMonkey said...

"You're kidding me with this post, right? Arent't you...? Please ay you are."

We're not kidding. We thought it would be fun to try. :-)

Kristin said...

Ok...this is my favourite post!...Something positive.

* They spend a lot of time together as a family.
* They are religious- and openly talk about it.
* She makes mistakes- which shows she is still human.
* They seem appreciative of the "freebies"- ie. going to Disney...and are willing to drive with 8 kids there, so they can do those types of things as a family.
* Their children for the most part, are well behaved.
* She often mentions how important family is.
* She is organized.

Great idea.

FIONA said...

Honestly, truly, I wish I could say something nice.

OK-Kate does dress appropriatly for a Mom. I do like that. i don't have a problem with her yoga pants she wears.

I am glad Jon is working out. It is not good for anyone to be overweight.

I like that Jon gets the special bonding time with his kds at bath time. That was our favorite time. Love clean kids...

Um...um....the kids do well at the table.

OK- I am exhausted! This is one hard exercise in fairness!

Anonymous said...

I like how Kate's skin can turn a pretty shade of red when exposed to the hot Florida sun. It makes her teeth look even whiter by contrast.....I KID! I KID!

Seriously, I like how Kate seems to appreciate her husband's sense of humor. Her laughter at his funny comments is sincere and genuine. ie:
Kate: We are at the frustrating chapter in our lives which should be entitled "Inconvenient Peeing"
Jon: Yeah and the next chapter should be entitled, "I'm sorry your shoes are wet." LOL!

Also, Kate has a lot of good ideas that I have borrowed. ie: The child gate around the Christmas tree and the organized laundry hamper unit - brilliant! Speaking of Christmas, those sticky buns that she makes are soooooo goooood! I have the recipe and also make them on Christmas morning. Yummy!

mollybloom said...

They do show negative personality characteristics. (This is killing me!)

Anonymous said...

One of the few things I am jealous of, is Kate's ability (I guess not anymore, now that there is a chef) to cook, healthy, organic, and yummy meals for her family. I wish I was that creative.

Anonymous said...

They are religious and teach their children to be.

They stay home with their children instead of doing daycare.

The children are well taken care of and loved.

Jon and Kate go on dates together, which is very important.

They use time out effectively and make the kids apoligize for bad behavior.

They buy organic foods.

They eat together as a family.

There are more positives but I can't think of everything right now. And yes there are negatives, too, but is anybody perfect? We have to remember that reality tv is NOT reality, everything is edited in a purposeful way. It seems as if Kate wears the pants in the family, so what? Maybe that works for them!

hellokitty said...

I like that Jon often gets down to the kids level to talk to them. Literally, crouching down to make eye contact, and being genuinely interested in what the the kids do or say.

I remember in one episode Mady came home with what looked like a clay bowl she made in school. He said something along the lines of "Don't drop it. Its pretty." I thought that was really nice.

Anonymous said...

im happy to see that this board is getting becoming a bit more open minded in its posts. kudoz to you. i hope that you will continue in this trend.

Anonymous said...

I'm always impressed with how affectionate the Gosselin family is. Jon & Kate hug and kiss the kids a lot, and it's so cute when the kids hug each other.

They are good about saying they are sorry when they are wrong, and teaching the kids to apologize to each other.

Whitney said...

This is great! Now we can hear first hand from the sheeples. Kate the supermom.

It's not that we're dropping and forgetting all wrong that they did. The next post will most likely jump right back into the normal groove. But, in reality, they do do some good -even if it's not a lot or a lot of the time. And in chastising them and refusing to see any good then we're not really doing much better than the two people we 'love to hate.'

That statement however not meant to be mean or antagonistic.

truman said...

Jon's hair is growing in nicely and he seems like he wants to lose his weight.

laurie said...

Fiona. OMG girl. I almost wet myself with your replies. hilarious!

I watched an episode the other night (old one) where she went to get new clothing with jon. She didn't profess to have ANY fashion sense and didn't mind if jon picked her clothes out. I not only found it endearing that he would do that for her, but it said a lot about how much he loved her b/c he wanted her to look good. He made a comment, "she has a nice figure" or something like that. :) It was kind. She said to the gal interviewing (who asked her a question...'do you mind when he says you can't dress? or you don't know what's in fashion?') and kate replies, (something like), "no, it would take a lot to offend me and the thing is, it's true".

it was a good bit.

Anonymous said...

The sticky bun tradition on Christmas morning is being implemented this year, absolutely. Though we may go with warm cinnamon buns and coffee.

There was an episode once where Kate explained how touched she is to hear from other stay-at-home moms that appreciated seeing her daily struggles. She expressed how difficult and lonely, although rewarding and 100% worth the sacrifice, it can be. I understood what she meant and was touched by what she said.

Kate seems intelligent, creative, and humorous. I pray that she will be more introspective, learn to respect her husband and honor him in private and public, and teach her children that faith in God will lead them to the true purpose that each and every one of them was created for.

Anonymous said...

I think these are the best comments I have ever read on here. I am LMAO, at this comment...Jon's hair is growing in nicely and he seems like he wants to lose his weight.

Sure there are things that Jon and Kate do right, but it really makes you wonder, when the best that can be offered is that Kate dresses like a mom should. WOW!

I think this post more than any yet, really shows us that there are some major problems in this household. I'm a mom and I know a lot of other moms, but none of us have ever sat around and said that someone was a good parent because they didn't address it when their children seemed to have a very real issue with something going on in their lives...case in point, Mady's behavior.

eponine said...

The kids are treated like individuals.

Anonymous said...

Won't that just make her aspirate her own vomit though? That doesn't seem like a good idea, coming from a nurse.

This? Is brilliant.

Steph said...

They didn't name the kids "rhyming" names, or names that start with the same letter...and other than Aaden, there are no made up or trendy spellings. I also like their middle names.

Anonymous said...

What's so sad about all of this is Kate's treatment of Jon. It borders on verbal and mental abuse. A bad, bad example for the kids and not something they should be subjected to.

Beth said...

This is refreshing and positive..thanks!

*The biggest positive I can see is that they are teaching their children about God, pray and taking them to church. I truly believe that their faith and the Grace of God will see them through this part of their journey!

*They LOVE, LOVE, LOVE their kids! They are affectionate towards their children and their children are affectionate towards them and each other.

*Having strong family traditions, together time and special moments with each other is a priority and builds family unity and a sense of security.

*They make each child feel special. Whether it is rough houseing on the couch with Jon, snuggles with Kate in bed or their speical days, Jon and Kate really do try to give each child their "own" time.

*They involve their kids in structured activities, "projects", games, Gymboree, cooking classes, musical instruments, singing etc.

*They do know the stress that having sextuplets for younger siblings has on Mady and Cara and have taken steps to help the older girls... quiet study room, bedroom removed from little kids that is off limits, extracuricular activities, quiet cool down time for Mady when she needs it, talking with the girls etc.

I could go on but I have already written a novel...thanks for the uplift!

RoxieRN said...

Yay for Kate and Jon! They make their kids hug and say sorry...but I don't recall either of them EVER doing that when they bicker...maybe I missed that part.I was probably distracted by Kate "love tapping" Jon and blaming him for all of her embarassing moments.

And more kudos for Kate for her creative organic cooking. Now, there's real innovation! Here's the secret...all you have to do is walk through your local market and select only organic foods (produce, milk, eggs, meats, cheese are all offered in the organic form in three local food stores near my home

Katie said...

I have a couple, for as much as they do wrong, I do like that those kids smile and laugh all the time. I always see more smiling and laughing then the hitting/crying/screaming. They are cute, fun, and funny kids.

I like that they encourage participation in activities (like the piano/violin, cooking class, etc.) but understand that requiring them to practice a certain number of hours every day isn't the best way to go (my parents were the opposite).

There is an episode where Kate is holding a child (I can't remember who) upside down and tickling him or her, genuinely laughing while she does it and saying she "could make it go on and on forever." Moments like that where they genuinly enjoy their children make the show worth watching.

I like that they have a family mission statement that talks about giving back since they have been the recipient of great kindness (they really have been, and its nice to see that acknowledged).

I don't hate them (sometimes I even like them, though I think they need to modify things) so this is a nice change of pace.

Daisy May said...

Kate loves Jon so much that she frequently gives him love taps -- and isn't embarrassed by a public display of affection on national tv!

The kids are always dressed crisply and cleanly and, amazingly, seem to stay that way.

Kate loves to sit on her white plastic chair and watch her children play. She can't seem to get enough of that.

If Kate has to go somewhere that is hither, thither, and yon, she will politely ask Jon to drive her. Sometimes, she will let the kids get a day out all alone with daddy -- especially if they are boys.

Lauren said...

To give Jon a little bit of slack, kids that age are very difficult to tell if they are right or left handed at that age. I am right handed, but my mom is left handed so I acted like a lefty to be like her.

As for golf clubs, I have played left handed all my life. Plus at their age it is not going to make too much of a difference. Unless the kids are exposed to golf day in day out, they do not have the coordination to play like Tiger.

bakedbeans said...

Oh, SecretMonkey, you kidder you. You just had to bait your hook and see how many Sheepley lurkers you could reel in.

A good bedrester?
Appropriate dresser?
No pets allowed?

You give new meaning to the expression, "Damned by faint praise".

Thanks for the chuckle.

uneasy said...

About being religious and taking the kids to church and having a relationship with God... it seems to me they talk the talk but don't necessarily walk the walk.

The way we see Kate treat Jon doesn't reflect what I consider are religious values, such as respect and consideration. The exploitation of the children for financial gain doesn't seem a very Christian thing to do - any more than putting your desire for control above your children's developmental needs. The whole schism with the extended family seems a bit problematic as well, and there appears to have been a break with a previous church - although the details are hazy.

I would hesitate to use the religious angle as a positive in Jon and Kate's particular case.

However, they do practice good oral hygiene. They don't promote the use of illegal drugs, as far as I can tell, and they certainly don't seem to be alcoholics.

That's a positive!

A Mummy said...

They chose normal names for the children. Not way out weird ones.

That she can clean her house with that many kids. I struggle with just one. But then again I work full time and so does DH.

However regarding the name spelling - It was Leah and she was doing it at four. My DD has been spelling her own name since she was 28 months old and now at just over three she can spell at least 4 other words. On the development of the children I just can not give her kudos.

Anonymous said...

The kids eat some pretty sophisticated food for little ones. I am amazed that they eat things like Kimchee, Bulgogi, Onion Salad and Mushroom veggie stir fry not only without gagging but with obvious enjoyment.

Kids that age can be sooo picky. Hell, my 12 year old still won't eat onions! Those kids are really good eaters. Kudos for Jon and Kate for getting started down the right path of eating a diverse and mostly healthy diet.

Anonymous said...

I agree with uneasy...with everything except the alcoholic thing. Didn't Jon get tipsy in front of the twins on his birthday? On a family show? Maybe not a alcoholic, but he could have shown better judgment.

A positive note:

The kids all seem to have healthy teeth.

They always use safety belts in the car.

Ok, that's enough reaching. This is way too hard. I'll wait and get back to the snarking.

SecretMonkey said...

Oh, SecretMonkey, you kidder you. You just had to bait your hook and see how many Sheepley lurkers you could reel in.

You give new meaning to the expression, "Damned by faint praise".


Hey, I didn't give any backhanded compliments like "gets people talking on the internet" or "has never been arrested for drug dealing" or "reminds me to take my birth control pill"! :-)

Anonymous said...

Things that amaze me about Kate...

Kate is so blissfully unaware - I have always wished that I was less perceptive of other people and their feelings. Also, it takes a great deal of tenacity and a suspension of belief to continue to do the things you do despite being so despised. I have to admit I like people to like me I think it is amazing that she doesn't care that no one likes her.

I do not like to sleep on my back or for long extended hours but it appears that she does both to create that sassy hairstyle. Now that is a commitment to a look!

It is amazing how creative and organic her meals are that they are virtually unidentifiable to the trained culinary eye.

I am amazed that she is not roped into getting on the floor and playing Legos or cars or anything with her children - mine make me. Also, that she escapes having to read bedtime stories to the children now that would be exhausting and way to educational. Not. these. children. Oh and before you say maybe she does it and it is just not filmed - trust me when I say if she did that they would film it.

Finally, I always come off as young read immature and I am amazed at how matronly Kate comes across. My husband put her at 45 and he always guesses correctly. I bet looking older helps lend an air of authority when she is reaming people for absolutely no reason.

Wow! you are right this positive stuff is really, really fun!!!

Katie said...

No sarcasm coming from me on this point. It was a little refreshing to come on the board tonight and find a post that could actually contain a positive word or two. These parents are OBVIOUSLY doing at least something right, and these are the things I see:

1. The kids eat really well. My 2 year old will eat chicken nuggets, peanut butter, oatmeal, and bananas. That's it. Those kids will eat just about anything.

2. Coming from a woman who gives her husband "love taps," they are a form of affection for me and people like me. It's not demeaning for my husband, he knows, understands, and explains to people that is the way I show affection. It's possible it's the same for the Gosselins.

3. The children are not sat in front of the TV for hours on end.

4. The kids seem to really love their parents and each other. When Jon comes (came?) home from work, the kids were always excited to see him, same for Kate when she went away for a while.

5. The kids play outside. It would be much easier to lock them in the basement and leave them to their own devices, but they are outside, riding bikes (someone had to teach them), playing ball, etc. Collin pulling the kids around on the "bus" was too cute.

6. The house seems to be entirely kid proof (don't mention anything about outlet covers, please). Every room seems to be devoted to the children's safety (hardly anything in the living room, the kitchen cabinets cleaned off/locked, etc).

7. Jon and Kate are still married.

I think sometimes negativity gets the best of us all. It's easy to pick apart an episode and get the nastiest stuff shown, but sometimes it's nice to see the good in a situation, too. Sometimes it's sad to say, but parents are allowed to raise their children anyway they want to. These kids seem to be happy, well adjusted children who love their parents and each other and whose parents appear to love each other.

Thanks for making some of us see the good, as well as pointing out so much of the bad. :)

Anonymous said...

"However regarding the name spelling - It was Leah and she was doing it at four. My DD has been spelling her own name since she was 28 months old and now at just over three she can spell at least 4 other words. On the development of the children I just can not give her kudos."

As a kindergarten teacher, I am thrilled when a child enters my classroom and is able to identify and spell his or her own name. (as well as identify letters, hold a pencil/scissors, etc.) Don't get me wrong, it's a great bonus if the child recognizes some words and is able to spell them! But I can tell you that is not something that the majority of children entering kindergarten are able to do.

AireZoe said...

Well, the children are always clean, so someone is keeping up with bathing, etc.

The lawn always looks mowed.

Anonymous said...

I like that they buy organic and eat food that actually resembles food! I cringe when I see all the junkfood (chips, sodas, etc.) on other reality tv shows.

Gwon said...

When I first started watching the show in Jan 08, I was struck by how Jon & Kate were able to brush off each other's brusqueness towards each other. If my wife talked to me the way Kate did, you bet I'd take it personally, and vice versa.

In seeing how J&K handle each other, it made me want to take things less personally.

So there's one thing.

And I also like that Jon can cook. However, what he said ("If Jon can cook, so can you!") is not true for me. :(

Grammier said...

The kids are kept clean
And no one's really mean
All teeth sparkle and shine
Which is absolutely fine
Their clothes are always nice
And would be at twice the price

(Hey what is twice free?
(That's a puzzle to me)

Now back to the spin
Where do I begin?

Kids are bathed, brushed, and dressed
The house is never a mess
For all the things above
We must credit J and K love

Sera said...

This blog has really made me open my eyes to this show and see what is going on - thank you for that! But despite the many, many negatives, there are a few rays of sunshine that stream out of this gloomy family:

1. The children care for each other and support each other (like when Mady came to Collin and his bear's defense in GumGate).

2. The children have advanced palates for their age - what 4 year old wants wasabi peas???

3. Jon seems like a loving and attentive father and helps out a lot with the kids (dressing, bathing, putting to bed, discipline, activities); the kids seem to thrive more under his direct care/supervision and are distraught when he is not around

4. Cara and Mady are quite intelligent and observant - you can see Cara is noticably avoiding camera-time of late.

Anonymous said...

As a kindergarten teacher, I am thrilled when a child enters my classroom and is able to identify and spell his or her own name. (as well as identify letters, hold a pencil/scissors, etc.) Don't get me wrong, it's a great bonus if the child recognizes some words and is able to spell them! But I can tell you that is not something that the majority of children entering kindergarten are able to do.


That really surprises me! I've always thought the 'tups were very far behind. I contributed this to there being 6 of them and a premature birth. My daughter is a week older than the Gosselin kids and she can read. I know there is no comparison because she was a single birth and not premature. It shocks me that a child entering kindergarden would be unable to hold a pencil or identify their name. Don't get me wrong, my child is not reading chapter books or anything but she can read every book in the Dick & Jane box set. She can also write her name, legibly. I remember seeing the twins read at that age too. Mady read a note from Kate on the first special. Cara & Mady may have been closer to 4 1/2 then but I doubt the 'tups will be able to read 5 months from now when they are 4 1/2.

sabrinasmom said...

Kate is qualified to give Parenting tips to Angelina and Brad - check out the August 4th edition of Star Magazine.

Why wouldn't she be?

They both have "staff" to help them with their kids - nannies, chefs, personal assistants, et al.

Anonymous said...

I like that they do things together..free or not...taking 8 kids any where would take a lot of patients and planing....

Its great they eat organic foods...and in the begining remember kate was the one cooking and food shopping...even cutting coupons....they did have a budget then....

we seen them look for nanies and house keepers...but that wasnt until the second season or so...


dont get me wrong...there are things that do disturb me about the show....but what I appreciate is that Jon and kate are humane and do make mastakes....I just hope they will learn from them and fix them...and mend things with their family....

bethanna said...

I'm really struggling to come up with an answer. Everytime I think of a positive, I think of a complimentary negative.

I would say that they seem to find a unique trait in each kid...but, I don't think it's a product of their observation so much as it is a projection of their own perceptions for each kid.

I would say that the organic thing is a positive, but based on what we've seen, she really isn't all that organic and would sell her kids for a batch of Ho-Ho's if she thought she could. And, her "organic" thing is, as my vegan/organic friend said, "faux-ganic".

I would say that the kids are clean and well-kept, but I think that's a side effect of Kate's OCD than a nurturing, caring parent who wants their child to be healthy and comfortable. We've seen her wig out over too many personal hygeine issues.

I could say that they impress me by making sure the kids get plenty of exercise, but that seems to be tempered with a greater desire to restrict them to tiny spaces and activities SHE approves of. Or, if she can get freebies.

I would compliment her on her language, but her cruel and dismissive statements to Jon will do more damage than a few swear words will ever do.

I would compliment her for keeping things runnning if I didn't know that she has more help than most families with multiples.

I *do* think Jon has some noteworthy qualities that seem to be genuine.
He gets down on the children's level and tries to be their advocate.
He tries to allow them to enjoy life.
He is appreciative when they get freebies. He was very warm and nice when we worked on the old house.

Nancy said...

Good things about Kate? Ummmm.... well, although her home is trashed with toys a lot of the time, at least she doesn't have crappy little knick-knacks sitting out to collect dust or get broken (like at my house, LOL!). Also, the whole family is neat and clean in appearance. I also like that the kids get to go to church.

Anonymous said...

I just found this blog a week or so ago and I felt I must off my "two cents". I watched J&K religiously for the first year or so, but found Kate's constant put downs of Jon and her outright public disrespect for her disturbing. Now that I see where two supposed "Christian" people are using their children to purchase material goods, well, that was the last straw. The state of PA needs to step in and make sure the money this family is getting is being put away for the children.

Anonymous said...

I am extremely impressed that J & K having two sets of multiples and are able to speak their 'untruths' and claim to be christian all in the same breath.

laurie said...

DAISY MAY, lordy i have just wet myself. toooo funny!!!!

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Kate loves to sit on her white plastic chair and watch her children play. She can't seem to get enough of that.
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she does love that chair. even the neighbor's notice how much she loves it. lol

NewMom08 said...

Three nice things about Kate:
1. She usually wears cute earrings, they are often fun and dangly/sparkly. I like that!
2. She is a great list maker, now, that may be lists of things to do for others, but she does a good job directing through lists.
3. I thought it was cute at the zoo when she told Alexis that she "didn't want to mislead her" by calling the crocodile an "aldergator"
4. ( I thought of another one) She is really good at remembering to mention the names of sponsors....if I hear her mention EM TANNER one more time....BTW, has anyone BEEN to EM's website...CRAZY expensivo!

Anonymous said...

Something positive?
Kate knows how to clean up her act and hoodwink more and more helpers. My goodness, with all the people she's burned over the years she could start a softball team.

grammier said...

Anonomous said >>>My daughter is a week older than the Gosselin kids and she can read.<<

My oldest son could read at that age, but neither of my other two could. It is not the norm. My grandsons, almost five, and four and a half, are very intelligent and have many skills. They are on the verge of reading but not reading yet. They are definitely ready for kindergarten, although one has a year to go before he can attend.

I am a former kindergarten teacher. We want children to enter kindergarten, recognizing their name, able to write their name, being able to hold a pencil, and use a scissors. They should recognize all the letters of the alphabet, and if they know the sounds of the letters, that is wonderful. They should be able to count to 20, recognize numbers, know their shapes,colors, and find and create rhyming words, to listen to a story and answer a question about it. These are all tested on the kindergarten entry test.

I taught in an inner ring suburb. Most kids knew the alphabet to sing and say, but quite a few couldn't recognize the letters, except the ones in their names. Some couldn't even do that. They'd never held a scissors or a pencil. Some didn't know what a rhyming word was, and were confused about shapes. These children were behind.

It is not necessary to be able to read before you attend kindergarten. Personally, I think the Gosselin kids are probably OK as far as their skills, but they need more interaction with other kids their age to achieve some social maturity. I hope that attending preschool will give them that.

Tootie said...

Ok, I love a challenge, so here goes.

Kate does not clutter her house with stuff the kids make.

Jon and Kate do not allow the cameras to show the two of them going to the bathroom or taking baths.

How'd I do?

laura linger said...

1. She's not a devotee of Charles Manson.

2. She's not a member of the Gambino crime family.

3. She doesn't smuggle guns or drugs into this country from South American countries.

Maggie said...

The Gosselins save water! They brush their childrens teeth in the dining room with no water involved!

A lot of people waste water when brushing their teeth.

Anonymous said...

'''You're kidding me with this post, right? Arent't you...? Please ay you are.'''


Why???, You can have no fun unless you are being negative and nasty?

sugarjay said...

Kate is very careful with her appearance unlike some other people with little kids. Such as when she spends time in the morning studing pictures of Alfalfa and Dennis the Menace before styling her hair to get it just right.

When Jon and the helpers watch the kids and play with them, Kate pitches in by sitting in the plastic chair so no one will steal it.

Katie said...

The (other) Katie said: "2. Coming from a woman who gives her husband "love taps," they are a form of affection for me and people like me. It's not demeaning for my husband, he knows, understands, and explains to people that is the way I show affection. It's possible it's the same for the Gosselins."

I hate to admit it but I do this too. If I say something, I'll do it to emphasize my point, get someone's attention, etc. I never thought it was something bad until I came here. It really is just a quick tap, and I've never had someone offended by it. I still do it, too--it is a very hard habit to break. Maybe it's a "Katie" thing!

minxie said...

Let's see...what have J & K done right?.....there must be something......

I like their wood floors.

Oh, you mean about parenting?

Uh, they have good DNA...the kids are very cute.

Other than than that.......

crickets....

laura linger said...

1. She didn't cause the crash of the Hindenberg.

2. She didn't kidnap Patty Hearst.

3. She's not D.B. Cooper.

Anonymous said...

"I hate to admit it but I do this too. If I say something, I'll do it to emphasize my point, get someone's attention, etc. I never thought it was something bad until I came here. It really is just a quick tap, and I've never had someone offended by it. I still do it, too--it is a very hard habit to break. Maybe it's a "Katie" thing!"

Its not bad. The only reason some people here think its bad is because Kate does it.

Anonymous said...

It annoys me so much that I NEVER see parents dress their kids nicely in public, especially parents of multiples--I realize she gets most (all?) of their clothes donated, at least the ones from Gymboree, but I really appreciate that the kids are always dressed nice (even if that means they can't enjoy decorating cupcakes for their birthday), and that she dresses the twins alike and the sextuplets alike/coordinating. And I love the organic thing, even if she does go overboard on telling people about it.

laura linger said...

1. She didn't star in the 1995 debacle, "Showgirls."

2. She didn't steal my car last Tuesday.

3. She doesn't work for the TSA.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't presume to judge the relationship between a husband and wife and the role of love taps. That being said, I personally would be offended if anyone, husband or friend, gave me a love tap on my face.
I'm not sure that it's fair to say that you're confident that no one objects to your love taps - perhaps they do, but you don't do it frequently enough to be worth raising the point.
I also wonder if the love taps are acceptable if a woman is giving them -- because I would think there would be an even bigger outcry if Jon were delivering them, especially on Kate's face.
To me, they are another example of Kate's need for control -- and her determination to do what she wants to do whether others like it or not. I could be wrong, but I don't believe that we've ever seen her love tap Beth, Jodi, or Kevin. Which leads me to believe that while some might say she is saving her "love" for Jon -- I tend to think it's unrepressed anger.

Anonymous said...

"Its not bad. The only reason some people here think its bad is because Kate does it."


The "love taps" wouldn't be bad if Jon didn't mind them but he has said more than once that he doesn't like when she does it.

Anonymous said...

laura linger said...
1. She didn't cause the crash of the Hindenberg.

2. She didn't kidnap Patty Hearst.

3. She's not D.B. Cooper.

July 27, 2008 9:59 AM


We can continue with this...

4. She did not start WWI or WWII, I know this for a fact, she was not born yet.

5. She had nothing to do with the Titanic sinking.

6. The first Great Depression, was not her fault.

damagedgoods said...

Its not bad. The only reason some people here think its bad is because Kate does it.

I (respectfully) completely disagree with you on this one. If someone else smacked their spouse with the frequency and attitude that Kate does Jon, I would still have a huge problem with it. Especially considering they have young children who need to understand hitting is wrong. Are 3 and 4 year olds supposed to get the joke?

Regarding this thread, I'll play along. As someone else said, I like how shiny she keeps her floors too! I really do. LOL.
On a more serious note, I love that she has 8 kids who seem soo open to eating "different" foods.

iluveeyore said...

It's pretty much a given that if kids are not offered any other food, eventually they will eat what is put in front of them... or starve.

Can you imagine what would happen if one of those kids went to the refrigerator or pantry and tried to get some food for himself or herself?

Oh wait -- that is another good thing about Kate. Her kids would never attempt to feed themselves. They are happy to be waited on. And they don't seem to fill up on snacks (except for what Kate calls "lunch").

kristee said...

I can't think of anything Kate has done "right" except for what others have said. For Jon I think he'd have much more fun with his kids if Kate was not around. He seems almost guarded sometimes, like he isn't comfortable enough to really, really have fun. At least he's on the floor playing with the kids, Kate almost never is.

As far as the love taps, I think it would be totally different if Jon were doing the smacking. I had a friend for years who would poke, smack, and jab at me all the time. I lost it with her once b/c I hated it, and she told me I had issues. Whatever, we aren't friends anymore and my bruises healed.

Anonymous said...

I know this is not a debate about "love taps." But I would like to say to all of those that administer them to grow up. Find an adult way to express your emotions by using," your words." I have been on the receiving end of the "love taps," and it is very annoying. I bet your spouses do not say anything because they just want to keep the peace. Turn the tables do you want to be smacked all the time by someone who cannot find away to express his or herself. It is embarrasing especially out in public. This makes your man look like a wimp to his male counter parts.
With that being said " I like how Kate gives Jon "love taps," without managing to give him a shinier.

Ku said...

"6. The first Great Depression, was not her fault."

However she is causing the second one right in my own house every time that show airs.

*emo tear*

-- Ku

bakedbeans said...

And on a more personal:

1. Kate did not accompany Jon to Boston when he gave his recent Keynote Speaker performance.

2. Kate has not frightened us again with her slut-tastic red top.

3.Kate does not live in my neighborhood/Commonwealth.

4. Kate is not a member of my family.

Mollybloom said...

Katie Irene says what she means,
Especially to Jon on the couch.
He's kind of laid back but just got some hair.
And now is the man of her dreams!

They try to take care of their kids,
And know they can never say no
When freebies just tumble into their laps,
They are surely open to bids.

Kate controls their lives with her will.
And loved ones just come and then go.
The twins must wonder why life is so strange.
And the kids may soon have their fill.

We want to think this show is nice.
But a home should not be a set.
It's time to put this sad show to an end.
Young children are paying the price.


I only did poetry because someone upthread did. Obviously, it's not my strong point! Feel free to edit if you wish.

Anonymous said...

[i]"I hate to admit it but I do this too. If I say something, I'll do it to emphasize my point, get someone's attention, etc. I never thought it was something bad until I came here. It really is just a quick tap, and I've never had someone offended by it. I still do it, too--it is a very hard habit to break. Maybe it's a "Katie" thing!"

Its not bad. The only reason some people here think its bad is because Kate does it.[/i]


Oh, now I'm seeing red! Hitting is wrong. Period. Hitting a person and calling it a love tap is not amusing. I've worked too much with abused spouses (yes, that includes men) to go along with her little joke. Abuse starts with little things, words, tickling, pinching and if not nipped in the bud can escalate.
Here are some other signs of an abusive relationship that make me pause when I see how Kate treats Jon:

Dominance — Abusive individuals need to feel in charge of the relationship. They will make decisions for you and the family, tell you what to do, and expect you to obey without question. Your abuser may treat you like a servant, child, or even as his possession.

Humiliation — An abuser will do everything he can to make you feel bad about yourself, or defective in some way. After all, if you believe you're worthless and that no one else will want you, you're less likely to leave. Insults, name-calling, shaming, and public put-downs are all weapons of abuse designed to erode your self-esteem and make you feel powerless.

Isolation — In order to increase your dependence on him, an abusive partner will cut you off from the outside world. He may keep you from seeing family or friends, or even prevent you from going to work or school. You may have to ask permission to do anything, go anywhere, or see anyone.
Source: Domestic Abuse Intervention Project, MN

Sharla said...

I find that I must weigh in on the subject of anyone who slaps, taps, pokes, jabs, or otherwise touches anyone without their permission.

Please think of this before you do it next time. I've had arthritis and inflamed tissue for about thirty years now. I've had the touchy slappy people do things like slap my foot as they walked by as a sign of affection according to them. That was always a one time occurance with each as I shrieked in pain.

I had to start using a cane more for protection than than to walk as people in stores seemed to think it's OK to tap or push people to get to what they want. They think twice usually if they see someone with a cane. I've had to ask people to please don't slap me on the back or legs in their enthusiasm as it hurts and bruises.

Since you can't tell by looking at me that there is anything wrong, people make assumptions. Please consider how it feels to the other person before touching anyone without asking first. Thus endeth today's public service message. :)

Phyllis said...

I liked when they had the idea to sing "Happy Birthday" individually to each tup. I think the generally do a good job of treating all eight kids as individuals rather than a pair and six-pack.

Anonymous said...

They keep the kids clean and well fed.

Anonymous said...

Love taps:
Yes, I have given my husband love taps, but I am talking a real tap, more of a rub and it was done in a loving fashion, it would even bring a smile to his face. I hate that we are calling smacks that make noise a love tap.

I really don't care what Kate does to Jon, I just don't care for the term love tap, when it isn't really a tap.

Anonymous said...

They don't clutter their living room with a lot of unneccessary furniture, I guess that is a plus. After all, why should there be enough seating for everyone in the house?

Sharla said...

Who was it gave the slaps the name love taps? It's been awhile that they've been called that, but I thought that's what Kate called them. I could be misremembering though. Anyone remember for sure?

Dew said...

I have a co-worker who loves to touch you. She will squeeze your arm, pat your back, lean forward into you and clutch your shoulder as she laughs at a joke you made. She is so incredibly touchy with everyone. I don't care how others feel, but I cannot stand when she touches me. I don't like that kind of touch, period, from her. It is invasive, uncomfortable, unwelcome.

However I am not going to hurt her feelings or offend her and tell her to stop. It's not a big enough issue to cause conflict. My point being don't assume just because someone isn't speaking up about touching, that the other person likes it or welcomes it. They may be picking their battles. Our culture in America tends to keep a greater distance between people than other cultures. We value our personal space and the comfort it gives us. Even having a lover getting too close when you don't want to can be offensive to people.

If you're going to touch someone, be it squeezing a shoulder or love taps or even a hug, please make sure they welcome it and want it. Otherwise, air on the side of not doing it.

Nancy said...

I think the first time I read "love tap", in reference to what Kate does, was on TWoP.
What Kate does is not a TAP; it's a SLAP. A slap is not LOVE. When Kate slaps Jon, it irritates the bejeebers out of me. I think Jon said he was embarrassed by seeing the clips of all the slaps he got from Kate. I just wonder how many people would support JON if HE were the one doing the slapping? I repeat: a slap is not love.

Katie said...

I am the first Katie, and the Katie who started the firestorm by being the second one to admit I do this too. Didn't mean to start a debate about "love taps" by admitting I did this. A couple of things, first I have fibromyalgia and am very aware that even a slight touch can hurt--I wouldn't do it to someone I didn't know and didn't know it was ok. My friends have done it to me in the past, I mostly do it within my family. It is usually just a little back of the hand tap on the person's thigh, knee or arm. I honestly never thought about the fact that I even do it until I came here (it is kind of unconscious)

Second, "If you're going to touch someone, be it squeezing a shoulder or love taps or even a hug, please make sure they welcome it and want it. Otherwise, air on the side of not doing it." I do this with family, and my boyfriend. I highly doubt they care, its not like it makes any noise, it isn't meant as dominence (I promise you, I'm not abusing my boyfriend) or to belittle.

Third, Jon has said he likes it. If he's also said he doesn't he is sending her mixed signals. He has said in the past he "likes it when she slaps him." They were cuddling in the kitchen and he made a growling noise and laughed when she did it "Ooo, she slapped me." Just thought I would point that out because he often gets a pass on his bad behavior while Kate is crucified.

Katie said...

Since I started the "love tap" argument, I feel the need to defend myself, especially since my head is spinning due to some of the comments.

First off, giving my husband a friendly smack on the leg as I'm talking to him IS NOT THE SAME as pushing a disabled person out of my way at the super market. Occasionally my love taps make a cracking noise that causes him to laugh and rub his arm a bit. That is not abuse. Occasionally he does the same thing to me. Neither one of us comes away with bruises, scrapes, stitches, or a need to buy heavy make up or big round sunglasses to hide the wounds. People have different ways of doing things, let's not make this into a personal attack.

Second, Jon has said that he "enjoys the abuse." This is because this is probably something that he has lived with since that special day at the hotel picnic where he and Kate met. For my husband, it really does show that I care, it's attention, etc. I imagine it's the same. We don't do it in front of our child who we are trying to teach hitting is wrong. I have never seen Kate "hit" Jon in front of the kids.

These actions are not mean spirited, and it doesn't look like Kate's are, either. And, as far as the "adult way to express feelings" goes, I am an adult, and I do have adult ways to express my feelings, but thank you for your concerns about me personally.

Now can we get back to the purpose of the blog?

AireZoe said...

3. She's not D.B. Cooper.


Can you prove this? D.B. Cooper was never found ...

Sharla said...

I vaguely remember Jon in the kitchen but recently he's expressed his dislike for Kate slapping his face and leg. I still think she should respect that.

Anonymous said...

Good things about Jon and Kate? Hmmm. They are really good at getting stuff for free.

K.C. said...

Positive thing about Kate...Ok, she really does eat fast-food! Well, according to Jon she does. Here is his quote from an article in the Reading Eagle:

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=82892

“She’s eating a lot better, and we keep seeing the babies’weights increase,” said Jonathan, 27. “She’s still battling
it and eating. I’m still going to get McDonald’s, Chinese food and Applebee’s.


“The doctors said: ‘Eat anything you can get in you.’ Isn’t that a woman’s dream?” Jonathan believes all the babies
will reach 3 pounds within the next two weeks. If Kate can carry the sextuplets to 32
weeks, he said, they might all reach 4 pounds.

Anonymous said...

I'm not Kate fan, but I thought the point of this post was to come up with some good things about Kate. Snarky comments like, "well, she's not Hitler" are pretty passive-aggressive and nasty...can't we take the high road? We won't be taken seriously if we don't. It's not like there aren't other outlets for Kate-snark elsewhere on this blog.

Anonymous said...

"Yay for Kate and Jon! They make their kids hug and say sorry...but I don't recall either of them EVER doing that when they bicker...maybe I missed that part.I was probably distracted by Kate "love tapping" Jon and blaming him for all of her embarassing moments."

Actually Jon has apologized to Kate on several occasions. Kate seems to be the only one who is above saying she is sorry - or incapable of doing so.

katja said...

katie said, "I like that they have a family mission statement that talks about giving back since they have been the recipient of great kindness (they really have been, and its nice to see that acknowledged)."

I think it is nice that this is written in the family mission statement, but it seems to me it would have a lot more meaning if it was actually carried out in the day to day life of the family. They seem to be all about getting ana receiving things and I can not recall any episode that shows them giving back. I would love to see this happen where the Gosselins are shown doing something other than dropping things off at the consignment shop or selling things at a yard sale.

SmartyQ said...

In one older episode, Jon got one of Katie's love taps that clearly didn't please him. His face and neck turned beet red, and his eyes narrowed. During the couch episode in which Jon said he didn't like the taps, Katie replied that she had done this all of her life. I wonder how many friends she had in her youth. I certainly hope she didn't have any pets.

mollybloom said...

Hmm. It makes one wonder what kind of love tapping went on in Kate's childhood home. That odd behavior had to come from somewhere.

Dew said...

The kids are seeing the love taps on TV. Kate says they watch the episodes. I have a suggestion. Kate ceases all love tapping, and if Jon misses it, he can tell her so. Somehow I think he will not ask her to continue hitting him.

"I do this with family, and my boyfriend. I highly doubt they care, its not like it makes any noise, it isn't meant as dominence (I promise you, I'm not abusing my boyfriend) or to belittle."

What makes you highly doubt they care? Because I know I've rarely said anything to those who feel the need to touch me. On the grand scheme of things it's not that important to me, and I prefer to pick my battles. That doesn't mean I LIKE it. For me, noise and dominence have nothing to do with it. I don't like being touched by others no matter what their motivation is. I'm sensitive to it. So are a lot of folks, it's not that unusual. I prefer any kind of contact on my own terms, not on someone else's. Ask a pregnant woman if she likes her belly being rubbed by strangers, which strangers tend to do. Most don't. That's how I feel when people feel the need to do anything more than shake my hand. Americans really are not a tactile society in general. Maybe we should be, maybe skin to skin all over each other in each other's faces should be something we're comfortable with, but the reality is many of us are not. I don't think love taps are the norm honestly, and I think it's a very bad habit to get into given how unacceptable it is to so many people.

Anonymous said...

It would be nice see J & K be the parental role models and actually live according to and enforce their own family mission statement. IMO For J & to claim to be the christians they are , they fail miserably at recognizing the 10 commandments and it appears that they have no respect for their own family mission statement as well!

NewMom08 said...

Just my take on the "LOVE TAP" thing here, folks...
If the love taps were the other way around and Jon were hitting/smacking/slapping Kate, would anyone think that was ok? Kinda changes the way you look at them, IMO
Also, seems to me that if you don't want your children to use hitting you shouldn't demonstrate it for them all over your house. We have seen the kids hitting, and I know all kids do at times, but knocking off the "love taps" might help.

katie said...

Dew: I asked if they minded, they answered no. For the record, every single one of them has done it to me also. My sister in law (who has MS), and my best friend are the two most frequent "tappers," and I can honestly say I never even thought about the fact that they do it, or that I do it until I started reading the comments here. I do it rarely, but I definately do it (never on the face, usually arm/thigh and very lightly) but never to someone I'm not close to.

I don't think, in the context we have seen Kate do it, it would be offensive for Jon to do it. It doesn't appear to be a hard slap, it appears to be a tap (remember that they are mic'ed and every sound is probably amplified). We have seen her "tap" his butt, or his arm, and occasionally tap or rub his face (I have more of a problem with the face then the others). I don't think I would have even a little problem if he did it to her in the same spirit as she is, and if it was a light, playful tap. It is childish, maybe, but I think for them it is meant to be playful flirting. I've seen many, many others do it. I don't think it is as uncommon as people make it out to be.

Also, it was asked above where "Love tap" actually come from--It was from Kate. She called it that in the behind the scenes episode and said she doesn't hit hard, but sometimes it makes a cracking noise and she doesn't know why (as I said before I would guess the mic exaggerates the sound just as it does the yelling they do--they are at a high volume anyway from having to talk over kids but the mic probably makes it sound even louder). This is also the episode where she and Jon are seen cuddling in the kitchen and he says playfully "Oo, she slapped me" and "I like the abuse." He has also said "It hurts my feelings and my face" then starts cracking up (which makes me think he was joking). I think a lot of their relationship is joking and playful flirty, by their standards anyway. They can also be very insensitive and mean to each other verbally (which I don't condone). It isn't for everyone, but that is the way they have built their relationship, and I for one, think if that's what they want then ok.

Anonymous said...

I agree with a previous post that said if the situation were reverse, and it was Jon 'love tapping' Kate, calling Kate fat and constantly reminding her to lose weight, continually ranting about Kate's faults and inadequacies (as a spouse and a parent), ie dont listen to mommy she is mean etc there is no way in hell that female viewers would find the behavior acceptable or relatable.
For whatever reason, that I have yet to understand, because it is Kate the Queen of two sets of multiples instigating the verbal abuse and 'love taps'towards Jon its considered acceptable viewing entertainment. If the situation were reverse, the footage would never make it to air because it would be considered unacceptable and in poor taste, not to mention spousal abuse! If J & K chose to accept this type of behavior towards each other and in front of their children as 'normal', they really need to re evaluate exactly what they consider to be 'abnormal'. There are much more productive and respectful ways to communicate and get your point across without stooping to the level of verbal, emotional, and physical abuse. Is this type of behavior the parental role model they want to represent themselves as to their children? Not to mention their viewing audience of 'faithful fans'.

Anonymous said...

I know a good thing about The Queen Mother! No matter how many helpers they go through, like disposable klenex, Kate always knows where to find more!